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Title: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: JohnnyJungle on January 30, 2017, 08:55:16 PM

On January 27, 2017, President Trump issued an Executive Order on Immigration. The order temporarily suspends the issuance of visas and places a ban on entry into the United States by citizens of Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen. Serious concerns have been raised by thousands in the academic community that the impact of this Executive Order is discriminatory and imposes undue burden on certain members of our community and their families.

The Association of Catholic Colleges and Universities (ACCU), of which St. John’s is a member, has issued a statement expressing strong opposition to the Executive Order. I join the more than one hundred presidents of Catholic colleges and universities in support of the statement. Click here to read the full statement by ACCU.

We are in the process of reviewing the full impact of the Executive Order and reaching out to members of the University who may be directly affected. I urge those who have travel plans to or from the countries listed above to first consult with the University's Office of General Counsel before making any travel plans.

As a Catholic and Vincentian University with a 147-year history, St. John's has—and will always be—a place that welcomes immigrants and the children of immigrants. This year, the Congregation of the Mission fittingly celebrates the 400th anniversary of the Vincentian Charism as the year of Welcoming the Stranger. At St. John's University, we support all members of the University community, regardless of their country of origin or their chosen faith. We are committed to continuing this tradition.


Conrado “Bobby” Gempesaw, Ph.D.
President


http://www.stjohns.edu/about/news/2017-01-30/executive-order-immigration
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Moon Mullen on January 30, 2017, 09:18:00 PM
And as someone who lost family and over 25 others on 9/11 I say cram it Bobby.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Marco Baldi on January 30, 2017, 09:18:33 PM
How soon everyone forgets Moon
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: goredmen on January 30, 2017, 09:21:28 PM
Here we go again
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: KJ_Django on January 30, 2017, 09:36:22 PM
Nothing brings together people and healthy discussion like politics eh
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on January 30, 2017, 10:29:30 PM
And as someone who lost family and over 25 others on 9/11 I say cram it Bobby.

The Saudis are still more than welcome here.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: goredmen on January 30, 2017, 10:50:19 PM
Im taking under 2 pages before Dave locks this thread
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: JohnnyJungle on January 30, 2017, 10:54:49 PM
Reread what you type and think before you hit "post"
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Moon Mullen on January 30, 2017, 11:23:56 PM
So are you saying i
And as someone who lost family and over 25 others on 9/11 I say cram it Bobby.

The Saudis are still more than welcome here.

So are you saying include them too or just allow everyone in?

Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on January 30, 2017, 11:36:03 PM
So are you saying i
And as someone who lost family and over 25 others on 9/11 I say cram it Bobby.

The Saudis are still more than welcome here.

So are you saying include them too or just allow everyone in?


I'm saying that if you think this is about our safety, your argument has some serious holes in it.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on January 30, 2017, 11:37:04 PM
Reread what you type and think before you hit "post"

Dave, Trump doesn't read this board.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Moon Mullen on January 30, 2017, 11:45:26 PM
So are you saying i
And as someone who lost family and over 25 others on 9/11 I say cram it Bobby.

The Saudis are still more than welcome here.

So explain the holes

So are you saying include them too or just allow everyone in?


I'm saying that if you think this is about our safety, your argument has some serious holes in it.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on January 30, 2017, 11:51:22 PM
So are you saying i
And as someone who lost family and over 25 others on 9/11 I say cram it Bobby.

The Saudis are still more than welcome here.

So explain the holes

So are you saying include them too or just allow everyone in?


I'm saying that if you think this is about our safety, your argument has some serious holes in it.

No, I'm not saying just allow everyone in. I'm saying that Trump is a bigot, and his decision is driven by bigotry. It has nothing to do with our safety. Don't you find it telling that Saudi Arabia isn't one of the counties that has been banned?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Moon Mullen on January 31, 2017, 12:14:17 AM
So are you saying i

And as someone who lost family and over 25 others on 9/11 I say cram it Bobby.

The Saudis are still more than welcome here.

So explain the holes

So are you saying include them too or just allow everyone in?


I'm saying that if you think this is about our safety, your argument has some serious holes in it.

No, I'm not saying just allow everyone in. I'm saying that Trump is a bigot, and his decision is driven by bigotry. It has nothing to do with our safety. Don't you find it telling that Saudi Arabia isn't one of the counties that has been banned?

I'm  fine with including Saudi Arabia as well.  Trump being a bigot is your opinion
on Trump.  If the ban saves one American life it's worth it.

Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: goredmen on January 31, 2017, 12:20:03 AM
So are you saying i
And as someone who lost family and over 25 others on 9/11 I say cram it Bobby.

The Saudis are still more than welcome here.

So explain the holes

So are you saying include them too or just allow everyone in?


I'm saying that if you think this is about our safety, your argument has some serious holes in it.

No, I'm not saying just allow everyone in. I'm saying that Trump is a bigot, and his decision is driven by bigotry. It has nothing to do with our safety. Don't you find it telling that Saudi Arabia isn't one of the counties that has been banned?

The 7 countries were the 7 countries named by Obama and his Department of Homeland Security as "countries of concern" and signed in to law in the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015. There are plenty of arguments to be made against this executive order by Trump, but he got those 7 countries straight from the Obama administration.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/158/text

My guess is more countries will be added in time.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on January 31, 2017, 12:22:38 AM
So are you saying i

And as someone who lost family and over 25 others on 9/11 I say cram it Bobby.

The Saudis are still more than welcome here.

So explain the holes

So are you saying include them too or just allow everyone in?


I'm saying that if you think this is about our safety, your argument has some serious holes in it.

No, I'm not saying just allow everyone in. I'm saying that Trump is a bigot, and his decision is driven by bigotry. It has nothing to do with our safety. Don't you find it telling that Saudi Arabia isn't one of the counties that has been banned?

I'm  fine with including Saudi Arabia as well.  Trump being a bigot is your opinion on
on Trump.  If the ban saves one American life it's worth it.


How will this ban save lives? Trump has banned Muslim immigrants from countries who are not the country that is responsible for 9/11. Yet people from Saudi Arabia are welcome here. Instead of casually tossing them into the mix, shouldn't you question this choice?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on January 31, 2017, 12:28:49 AM
So are you saying i
And as someone who lost family and over 25 others on 9/11 I say cram it Bobby.

The Saudis are still more than welcome here.

So explain the holes

So are you saying include them too or just allow everyone in?


I'm saying that if you think this is about our safety, your argument has some serious holes in it.

No, I'm not saying just allow everyone in. I'm saying that Trump is a bigot, and his decision is driven by bigotry. It has nothing to do with our safety. Don't you find it telling that Saudi Arabia isn't one of the counties that has been banned?

The 7 countries were the 7 countries named by Obama and his Department of Homeland Security as "countries of concern" and signed in to law in the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015. There are plenty of arguments to be made against this executive order by Trump, but he got those 7 countries straight from the Obama administration.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/158/text

My guess is more countries will be added in time.


Obama is a bad ass on immigration. That's probably why for the last 8 years we haven't been allowing terrorists into our country.

He's also significantly smarter than Trump. What is the point of announcing a ban to anyone? Just like what is the point of announcing your plans to bring back water boarding? Aren't you at least a little regretful that we now have a complete imbecile in the Oval Office?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Celtics11 on January 31, 2017, 01:17:07 AM
So are you saying i
And as someone who lost family and over 25 others on 9/11 I say cram it Bobby.

The Saudis are still more than welcome here.

So explain the holes

So are you saying include them too or just allow everyone in?


I'm saying that if you think this is about our safety, your argument has some serious holes in it.

No, I'm not saying just allow everyone in. I'm saying that Trump is a bigot, and his decision is driven by bigotry. It has nothing to do with our safety. Don't you find it telling that Saudi Arabia isn't one of the counties that has been banned?

The 7 countries were the 7 countries named by Obama and his Department of Homeland Security as "countries of concern" and signed in to law in the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015. There are plenty of arguments to be made against this executive order by Trump, but he got those 7 countries straight from the Obama administration.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/158/text

My guess is more countries will be added in time.


Obama is a bad ass on immigration. That's probably why for the last 8 years we haven't been allowing terrorists into our country.

He's also significantly smarter than Trump. What is the point of announcing a ban to anyone? Just like what is the point of announcing your plans to bring back water boarding? Aren't you at least a little regretful that we now have a complete imbecile in the Oval Office?
Did you enjoy your visit?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on January 31, 2017, 01:40:27 AM
So are you saying i
And as someone who lost family and over 25 others on 9/11 I say cram it Bobby.

The Saudis are still more than welcome here.

So explain the holes

So are you saying include them too or just allow everyone in?


I'm saying that if you think this is about our safety, your argument has some serious holes in it.

No, I'm not saying just allow everyone in. I'm saying that Trump is a bigot, and his decision is driven by bigotry. It has nothing to do with our safety. Don't you find it telling that Saudi Arabia isn't one of the counties that has been banned?

The 7 countries were the 7 countries named by Obama and his Department of Homeland Security as "countries of concern" and signed in to law in the Visa Waiver Program Improvement and Terrorist Travel Prevention Act of 2015. There are plenty of arguments to be made against this executive order by Trump, but he got those 7 countries straight from the Obama administration.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/158/text

My guess is more countries will be added in time.


Obama is a bad ass on immigration. That's probably why for the last 8 years we haven't been allowing terrorists into our country.

He's also significantly smarter than Trump. What is the point of announcing a ban to anyone? Just like what is the point of announcing your plans to bring back water boarding? Aren't you at least a little regretful that we now have a complete imbecile in the Oval Office?
Did you enjoy your visit?

Heh?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Marco Baldi on January 31, 2017, 07:30:10 AM
So are you saying i

And as someone who lost family and over 25 others on 9/11 I say cram it Bobby.

The Saudis are still more than welcome here.

So explain the holes

So are you saying include them too or just allow everyone in?


I'm saying that if you think this is about our safety, your argument has some serious holes in it.

No, I'm not saying just allow everyone in. I'm saying that Trump is a bigot, and his decision is driven by bigotry. It has nothing to do with our safety. Don't you find it telling that Saudi Arabia isn't one of the counties that has been banned?

I'm  fine with including Saudi Arabia as well.  Trump being a bigot is your opinion on
on Trump.  If the ban saves one American life it's worth it.


How will this ban save lives? Trump has banned Muslim immigrants from countries who are not the country that is responsible for 9/11. Yet people from Saudi Arabia are welcome here. Instead of casually tossing them into the mix, shouldn't you question this choice?

The 7 countries are the top breeding areas for Isis at the moment. I don't see what the propblem is with more screening and vetting. As Mullin said, if it saves 1 American life it is a success.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on January 31, 2017, 07:50:49 AM
So are you saying i

And as someone who lost family and over 25 others on 9/11 I say cram it Bobby.

The Saudis are still more than welcome here.

So explain the holes

So are you saying include them too or just allow everyone in?


I'm saying that if you think this is about our safety, your argument has some serious holes in it.

No, I'm not saying just allow everyone in. I'm saying that Trump is a bigot, and his decision is driven by bigotry. It has nothing to do with our safety. Don't you find it telling that Saudi Arabia isn't one of the counties that has been banned?

I'm  fine with including Saudi Arabia as well.  Trump being a bigot is your opinion on
on Trump.  If the ban saves one American life it's worth it.


How will this ban save lives? Trump has banned Muslim immigrants from countries who are not the country that is responsible for 9/11. Yet people from Saudi Arabia are welcome here. Instead of casually tossing them into the mix, shouldn't you question this choice?

The 7 countries are the top breeding areas for Isis at the moment. I don't see what the propblem is with more screening and vetting. As Mullin said, if it saves 1 American life it is a success.

Obama did a damn good job protecting our borders. He was dialed in. He wanted to actually do the job. This imbecile is only concerned with his ratings. He could give a shit about this country. There is nothing American about that pussy.

If you don't want to let someone in, don't. It's worked for the last 8 years, but somehow now it's a good idea to announce a ban? WTF for? Who do you think will really pay the price for this? How many on the fence, young, angry Muslims who are already living in this country just became radicalized with this "shrewd" move? Think this will save an American life? I think it's going to get thousands of innocent Americans killed. ISIS was never a problem on our soil. Kiss that shit goodbye.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Marco Baldi on January 31, 2017, 08:28:56 AM
So are you saying i

And as someone who lost family and over 25 others on 9/11 I say cram it Bobby.

The Saudis are still more than welcome here.

So explain the holes

So are you saying include them too or just allow everyone in?


I'm saying that if you think this is about our safety, your argument has some serious holes in it.

No, I'm not saying just allow everyone in. I'm saying that Trump is a bigot, and his decision is driven by bigotry. It has nothing to do with our safety. Don't you find it telling that Saudi Arabia isn't one of the counties that has been banned?

I'm  fine with including Saudi Arabia as well.  Trump being a bigot is your opinion on
on Trump.  If the ban saves one American life it's worth it.


How will this ban save lives? Trump has banned Muslim immigrants from countries who are not the country that is responsible for 9/11. Yet people from Saudi Arabia are welcome here. Instead of casually tossing them into the mix, shouldn't you question this choice?

The 7 countries are the top breeding areas for Isis at the moment. I don't see what the propblem is with more screening and vetting. As Mullin said, if it saves 1 American life it is a success.

Obama did a damn good job protecting our borders. He was dialed in. He wanted to actually do the job. This imbecile is only concerned with his ratings. He could give a shit about this country. There is nothing American about that pussy.

If you don't want to let someone in, don't. It's worked for the last 8 years, but somehow now it's a good idea to announce a ban? WTF for? Who do you think will really pay the price for this? How many on the fence, young, angry Muslims who are already living in this country just became radicalized with this "shrewd" move? Think this will save an American life? I think it's going to get thousands of innocent Americans killed. ISIS was never a problem on our soil. Kiss that shit goodbye.

Ask the Boston Marathon victims how well that worked
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on January 31, 2017, 08:46:36 AM
So are you saying i

And as someone who lost family and over 25 others on 9/11 I say cram it Bobby.

The Saudis are still more than welcome here.

So explain the holes

So are you saying include them too or just allow everyone in?


I'm saying that if you think this is about our safety, your argument has some serious holes in it.

No, I'm not saying just allow everyone in. I'm saying that Trump is a bigot, and his decision is driven by bigotry. It has nothing to do with our safety. Don't you find it telling that Saudi Arabia isn't one of the counties that has been banned?

I'm  fine with including Saudi Arabia as well.  Trump being a bigot is your opinion on
on Trump.  If the ban saves one American life it's worth it.


How will this ban save lives? Trump has banned Muslim immigrants from countries who are not the country that is responsible for 9/11. Yet people from Saudi Arabia are welcome here. Instead of casually tossing them into the mix, shouldn't you question this choice?

The 7 countries are the top breeding areas for Isis at the moment. I don't see what the propblem is with more screening and vetting. As Mullin said, if it saves 1 American life it is a success.

Obama did a damn good job protecting our borders. He was dialed in. He wanted to actually do the job. This imbecile is only concerned with his ratings. He could give a shit about this country. There is nothing American about that pussy.

If you don't want to let someone in, don't. It's worked for the last 8 years, but somehow now it's a good idea to announce a ban? WTF for? Who do you think will really pay the price for this? How many on the fence, young, angry Muslims who are already living in this country just became radicalized with this "shrewd" move? Think this will save an American life? I think it's going to get thousands of innocent Americans killed. ISIS was never a problem on our soil. Kiss that shit goodbye.

Ask the Boston Marathon victims how well that worked

You're looking at the alternative facts. The two brothers in Boston were American citizens.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on January 31, 2017, 09:08:59 AM
You're looking at the alternative facts. The two brothers in Boston were American citizens.

No. Both came to the US under a grant of political asylum. One was naturalized, the other wasn't.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Marco Baldi on January 31, 2017, 09:12:39 AM
So are you saying i

And as someone who lost family and over 25 others on 9/11 I say cram it Bobby.

The Saudis are still more than welcome here.

So explain the holes

So are you saying include them too or just allow everyone in?


I'm saying that if you think this is about our safety, your argument has some serious holes in it.

No, I'm not saying just allow everyone in. I'm saying that Trump is a bigot, and his decision is driven by bigotry. It has nothing to do with our safety. Don't you find it telling that Saudi Arabia isn't one of the counties that has been banned?

I'm  fine with including Saudi Arabia as well.  Trump being a bigot is your opinion on
on Trump.  If the ban saves one American life it's worth it.


How will this ban save lives? Trump has banned Muslim immigrants from countries who are not the country that is responsible for 9/11. Yet people from Saudi Arabia are welcome here. Instead of casually tossing them into the mix, shouldn't you question this choice?

The 7 countries are the top breeding areas for Isis at the moment. I don't see what the propblem is with more screening and vetting. As Mullin said, if it saves 1 American life it is a success.

Obama did a damn good job protecting our borders. He was dialed in. He wanted to actually do the job. This imbecile is only concerned with his ratings. He could give a shit about this country. There is nothing American about that pussy.

If you don't want to let someone in, don't. It's worked for the last 8 years, but somehow now it's a good idea to announce a ban? WTF for? Who do you think will really pay the price for this? How many on the fence, young, angry Muslims who are already living in this country just became radicalized with this "shrewd" move? Think this will save an American life? I think it's going to get thousands of innocent Americans killed. ISIS was never a problem on our soil. Kiss that shit goodbye.

Ask the Boston Marathon victims how well that worked

You're looking at the alternative facts. The two brothers in Boston were American citizens.

They were born here or came as refugees?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: apesNapes on January 31, 2017, 09:36:18 AM
gempeshaw could have done more to speak about the mission of the school and how current government policy makes it more difficult to fulfill that mission.  http://www.stjohns.edu/about/our-mission
" We are committed to a life of stewardship as a caretaker of God-given talents, resources and knowledge, and caregiver responding to the needs of others." 
"Awareness of and esteem for all individuals. A courteous regard for all people whose diversity is embraced and shared in learning, teaching and service to others within the University community and beyond." 
"Our community, which comprises members of many faiths, strives for an openness that is “wholly directed to all that is true, all that deserves respect, all that is honest, pure, admirable, decent, virtuous, or worthy of praise”"
"Wherever possible, we devote our intellectual and physical resources to search out the causes of poverty and social injustice and to encourage solutions that are adaptable, effective, and concrete. In the Vincentian tradition, we seek to foster a world view and to further efforts toward global harmony and development by creating an atmosphere in which all may imbibe and embody the spirit of compassionate concern for others so characteristic of Vincent."

I think the university mission is about rising above fear and hate and helping those in need, irrespective of faith, and training talented students to carry out that mission.  There may be some risk in doing that, but being catholic is about doing what is right even when it is the more difficult thing to do (remember that guy, jesus?).  that's not a political statement, whether dem, repub, or other, the university should stand for doing what is right  as a Catholic-Vincention University
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on January 31, 2017, 10:07:24 AM
They were born here or came as refugees?

They were furriners. The father was granted political asylum, the kids received derivative asylum. The live one was naturalized, the dead one wasn't.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on January 31, 2017, 10:15:17 AM
I think the university mission is about rising above fear and hate and helping those in need, irrespective of faith, and training talented students to carry out that mission.  There may be some risk in doing that, but being catholic is about doing what is right even when it is the more difficult thing to do (remember that guy, jesus?).  that's not a political statement, whether dem, repub, or other, the university should stand for doing what is right  as a Catholic-Vincention University

I think the university should be wary of calling half their donors bigots because they disagree with their politics. It's not so bad when you do it, but it could affect their bottom line.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Marco Baldi on January 31, 2017, 10:16:23 AM
I think the university mission is about rising above fear and hate and helping those in need, irrespective of faith, and training talented students to carry out that mission.  There may be some risk in doing that, but being catholic is about doing what is right even when it is the more difficult thing to do (remember that guy, jesus?).  that's not a political statement, whether dem, repub, or other, the university should stand for doing what is right  as a Catholic-Vincention University

I think the university should be wary of calling half their donors bigots because they disagree with their politics. It's not so bad when you do it, but it could affect their bottom line.

Yup, they were better off saying nothing. I see Marquette had a similar release
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on January 31, 2017, 10:55:27 AM
I think the university mission is about rising above fear and hate and helping those in need, irrespective of faith, and training talented students to carry out that mission.  There may be some risk in doing that, but being catholic is about doing what is right even when it is the more difficult thing to do (remember that guy, jesus?).  that's not a political statement, whether dem, repub, or other, the university should stand for doing what is right  as a Catholic-Vincention University

I think the university should be wary of calling half their donors bigots because they disagree with their politics. It's not so bad when you do it, but it could affect their bottom line.

Yup, they were better off saying nothing. I see Marquette had a similar release

Anything that makes Chuck Schumer cry has to be good for the country.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Marco Baldi on January 31, 2017, 10:57:38 AM
I think the university mission is about rising above fear and hate and helping those in need, irrespective of faith, and training talented students to carry out that mission.  There may be some risk in doing that, but being catholic is about doing what is right even when it is the more difficult thing to do (remember that guy, jesus?).  that's not a political statement, whether dem, repub, or other, the university should stand for doing what is right  as a Catholic-Vincention University

I think the university should be wary of calling half their donors bigots because they disagree with their politics. It's not so bad when you do it, but it could affect their bottom line.

Yup, they were better off saying nothing. I see Marquette had a similar release

Anything that makes Chuck Schumer cry has to be good for the country.

Ya he deserves an Oscar for that performance
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: cjfish on January 31, 2017, 11:01:18 AM
Trumps action will not save American lives, ultimately it will cost lives.  He is playing into the Islamist terrorists hand by providing another reason for Muslim's, home and abroad, to radicalize.  If you are a young Muslim in Brooklyn this is going to piss you off, perhaps enough to buy the radical agenda.  This agenda is fulfilling a campaign promise by a man who often speaks before he thinks.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on January 31, 2017, 11:08:53 AM
Trumps action will not save American lives, ultimately it will cost lives.  He is playing into the Islamist terrorists hand by providing another reason for Muslim's, home and abroad, to radicalize.  If you are a young Muslim in Brooklyn this is going to piss you off, perhaps enough to buy the radical agenda.  This agenda is fulfilling a campaign promise by a man who often speaks before he thinks.

If a six month ban on immigration from seven countries causes a young Muslim in Brooklyn to commit mass murder because of his religious beliefs then their really is a problem with Islam.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Celtics11 on January 31, 2017, 11:47:09 AM
So are you saying i

And as someone who lost family and over 25 others on 9/11 I say cram it Bobby.

The Saudis are still more than welcome here.

So explain the holes

So are you saying include them too or just allow everyone in?


I'm saying that if you think this is about our safety, your argument has some serious holes in it.

No, I'm not saying just allow everyone in. I'm saying that Trump is a bigot, and his decision is driven by bigotry. It has nothing to do with our safety. Don't you find it telling that Saudi Arabia isn't one of the counties that has been banned?

I'm  fine with including Saudi Arabia as well.  Trump being a bigot is your opinion on
on Trump.  If the ban saves one American life it's worth it.


How will this ban save lives? Trump has banned Muslim immigrants from countries who are not the country that is responsible for 9/11. Yet people from Saudi Arabia are welcome here. Instead of casually tossing them into the mix, shouldn't you question this choice?

The 7 countries are the top breeding areas for Isis at the moment. I don't see what the propblem is with more screening and vetting. As Mullin said, if it saves 1 American life it is a success.

Obama did a damn good job protecting our borders. He was dialed in. He wanted to actually do the job. This imbecile is only concerned with his ratings. He could give a shit about this country. There is nothing American about that pussy.

If you don't want to let someone in, don't. It's worked for the last 8 years, but somehow now it's a good idea to announce a ban? WTF for? Who do you think will really pay the price for this? How many on the fence, young, angry Muslims who are already living in this country just became radicalized with this "shrewd" move? Think this will save an American life? I think it's going to get thousands of innocent Americans killed. ISIS was never a problem on our soil. Kiss that shit goodbye.

Ask the Boston Marathon victims how well that worked

You're looking at the alternative facts. The two brothers in Boston were American citizens.
And that would be a factor because you like others don't give a hoot if those immigrants coming into our country bother to do it legally and become lawful citizens.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: redslope on January 31, 2017, 01:09:25 PM
I never thought I would be on the same side of an argument as the Koch Brothers but when their Funded think tank, the Cato Institute is against the Exec Order on Immigration and points out that over the 40 years from 1975 to 2015 no immigrant from these 7 countries has come and killed an American in the USA we are in agreement. 

Also we are walking away from one of our allies by excluding Iraqi's where people have put their lives at risk to help us.  The stories of Iraq war vets this weekend were very telling when they expressed gratitude to the interpretors and other assistants who helped our troops and now need out protection but were being turned away. 

This was a stupidly written order that shows no thought by a president who can only think in 140 character ideas; he can not go deeper. This was not reviewed by State, Defense and treasury.

I also wondered why Saudi Arabia was not on the list along with Egypt and UAE.  Isn't it interesting that the Trump Organization has businesses in those 3 countries but now of the 7 named,
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Marco Baldi on January 31, 2017, 01:20:35 PM
I never thought I would be on the same side of an argument as the Koch Brothers but when their Funded think tank, the Cato Institute is against the Exec Order on Immigration and points out that over the 40 years from 1975 to 2015 no immigrant from these 7 countries has come and killed an American in the USA we are in agreement. 

Also we are walking away from one of our allies by excluding Iraqi's where people have put their lives at risk to help us.  The stories of Iraq war vets this weekend were very telling when they expressed gratitude to the interpretors and other assistants who helped our troops and now need out protection but were being turned away. 

This was a stupidly written order that shows no thought by a president who can only think in 140 character ideas; he can not go deeper. This was not reviewed by State, Defense and treasury.

I also wondered why Saudi Arabia was not on the list along with Egypt and UAE.  Isn't it interesting that the Trump Organization has businesses in those 3 countries but now of the 7 named,

Where is Isis strong now, which countries?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on January 31, 2017, 01:23:45 PM
  Isn't it interesting that the Trump Organization has businesses in those 3 countries but now of the 7 named,

What's really interesting is how solicitous of Trump's business interests the Obama administration was when selected those countries. Prescient even.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on January 31, 2017, 01:32:20 PM
I think the university mission is about rising above fear and hate and helping those in need, irrespective of faith, and training talented students to carry out that mission.  There may be some risk in doing that, but being catholic is about doing what is right even when it is the more difficult thing to do (remember that guy, jesus?).  that's not a political statement, whether dem, repub, or other, the university should stand for doing what is right  as a Catholic-Vincention University

I think the university should be wary of calling half their donors bigots because they disagree with their politics. It's not so bad when you do it, but it could affect their bottom line.

Would you feel better if it came from the Pope instead? Because it did.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Marco Baldi on January 31, 2017, 01:33:34 PM
I think the university mission is about rising above fear and hate and helping those in need, irrespective of faith, and training talented students to carry out that mission.  There may be some risk in doing that, but being catholic is about doing what is right even when it is the more difficult thing to do (remember that guy, jesus?).  that's not a political statement, whether dem, repub, or other, the university should stand for doing what is right  as a Catholic-Vincention University

I think the university should be wary of calling half their donors bigots because they disagree with their politics. It's not so bad when you do it, but it could affect their bottom line.

Would you feel better if it came from the Pope instead? Because it did.

Same guy who lives behind a huge wall and on top of an arsenal?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on January 31, 2017, 01:34:00 PM
I never thought I would be on the same side of an argument as the Koch Brothers but when their Funded think tank, the Cato Institute is against the Exec Order on Immigration and points out that over the 40 years from 1975 to 2015 no immigrant from these 7 countries has come and killed an American in the USA we are in agreement. 

Also we are walking away from one of our allies by excluding Iraqi's where people have put their lives at risk to help us.  The stories of Iraq war vets this weekend were very telling when they expressed gratitude to the interpretors and other assistants who helped our troops and now need out protection but were being turned away. 

This was a stupidly written order that shows no thought by a president who can only think in 140 character ideas; he can not go deeper. This was not reviewed by State, Defense and treasury.

I also wondered why Saudi Arabia was not on the list along with Egypt and UAE.  Isn't it interesting that the Trump Organization has businesses in those 3 countries but now of the 7 named,

Saudis Arabia and Egypt will be added to the list the second they hurt Trump's feelings.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on January 31, 2017, 01:36:50 PM
So are you saying i

And as someone who lost family and over 25 others on 9/11 I say cram it Bobby.

The Saudis are still more than welcome here.

So explain the holes

So are you saying include them too or just allow everyone in?


I'm saying that if you think this is about our safety, your argument has some serious holes in it.

No, I'm not saying just allow everyone in. I'm saying that Trump is a bigot, and his decision is driven by bigotry. It has nothing to do with our safety. Don't you find it telling that Saudi Arabia isn't one of the counties that has been banned?

I'm  fine with including Saudi Arabia as well.  Trump being a bigot is your opinion on
on Trump.  If the ban saves one American life it's worth it.


How will this ban save lives? Trump has banned Muslim immigrants from countries who are not the country that is responsible for 9/11. Yet people from Saudi Arabia are welcome here. Instead of casually tossing them into the mix, shouldn't you question this choice?

The 7 countries are the top breeding areas for Isis at the moment. I don't see what the propblem is with more screening and vetting. As Mullin said, if it saves 1 American life it is a success.

Obama did a damn good job protecting our borders. He was dialed in. He wanted to actually do the job. This imbecile is only concerned with his ratings. He could give a shit about this country. There is nothing American about that pussy.

If you don't want to let someone in, don't. It's worked for the last 8 years, but somehow now it's a good idea to announce a ban? WTF for? Who do you think will really pay the price for this? How many on the fence, young, angry Muslims who are already living in this country just became radicalized with this "shrewd" move? Think this will save an American life? I think it's going to get thousands of innocent Americans killed. ISIS was never a problem on our soil. Kiss that shit goodbye.

Ask the Boston Marathon victims how well that worked

You're looking at the alternative facts. The two brothers in Boston were American citizens.
And that would be a factor because you like others don't give a hoot if those immigrants coming into our country bother to do it legally and become lawful citizens.

Get your shit straight. The two fckers in the Boston bombing came here legally. Why the F should we change our immigration policy in regards to keeping us safe if it's working? Now, innocent Americans are going to die JUST because of situations like Boston. Trump has just inspired a new generation of home grown terrorists.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on January 31, 2017, 01:37:51 PM
You're looking at the alternative facts. The two brothers in Boston were American citizens.

No. Both came to the US under a grant of political asylum. One was naturalized, the other wasn't.

They came here legally.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on January 31, 2017, 01:40:47 PM
You're looking at the alternative facts. The two brothers in Boston were American citizens.

No. Both came to the US under a grant of political asylum. One was naturalized, the other wasn't.

They came here legally.

I didn't say they didn't. But if you're going to call people liars and bigots you should have your facts straight. Which is why I helpfully provided the correct information.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on January 31, 2017, 02:04:41 PM
gempeshaw could have done more to speak about the mission of the school and how current government policy makes it more difficult to fulfill that mission.  http://www.stjohns.edu/about/our-mission
" We are committed to a life of stewardship as a caretaker of God-given talents, resources and knowledge, and caregiver responding to the needs of others." 
"Awareness of and esteem for all individuals. A courteous regard for all people whose diversity is embraced and shared in learning, teaching and service to others within the University community and beyond." 
"Our community, which comprises members of many faiths, strives for an openness that is “wholly directed to all that is true, all that deserves respect, all that is honest, pure, admirable, decent, virtuous, or worthy of praise”"
"Wherever possible, we devote our intellectual and physical resources to search out the causes of poverty and social injustice and to encourage solutions that are adaptable, effective, and concrete. In the Vincentian tradition, we seek to foster a world view and to further efforts toward global harmony and development by creating an atmosphere in which all may imbibe and embody the spirit of compassionate concern for others so characteristic of Vincent."

I think the university mission is about rising above fear and hate and helping those in need, irrespective of faith, and training talented students to carry out that mission.  There may be some risk in doing that, but being catholic is about doing what is right even when it is the more difficult thing to do (remember that guy, jesus?).  that's not a political statement, whether dem, repub, or other, the university should stand for doing what is right  as a Catholic-Vincention University

We all know the mission of the University. This is a reason to be proud our new President. He did the right thing. Any donor who takes their money elsewhere because of this has lost sight of that mission.

It's amazing to me that half of country is perfectly fine with painting a billion Muslims with the same brush. That's what bigotry is. Out of a billion people, there are some very dangerous sub groups. That is clearly true. White Americans also have very dangerous sub groups. But this dispicable administration isn't about to rip the automatic weapons out of the hands of the Arian nation. Why do you suppose it is that when a white man goes into a black church and murders innocent people praying, that white man isn't a terrorist. He's mentally ill.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on January 31, 2017, 02:09:17 PM
You're looking at the alternative facts. The two brothers in Boston were American citizens.

No. Both came to the US under a grant of political asylum. One was naturalized, the other wasn't.

They came here legally.

I didn't say they didn't. But if you're going to call people liars and bigots you should have your facts straight. Which is why I helpfully provided the correct information.

Fair enough.

So Trump will ban Muslims from 7 countries to provide the safety that we desperately need despite the fact that Obama has clearly already provided that very safety. Do you really think that this will make us safer than we are now? There are over a million Muslims in our country now. How many of them because of this will turn a lifetime of frustration into blowing up a building or opening fire in a shopping mall?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Marco Baldi on January 31, 2017, 02:28:20 PM
You're looking at the alternative facts. The two brothers in Boston were American citizens.

No. Both came to the US under a grant of political asylum. One was naturalized, the other wasn't.

They came here legally.

I didn't say they didn't. But if you're going to call people liars and bigots you should have your facts straight. Which is why I helpfully provided the correct information.

Fair enough.

So Trump will ban Muslims from 7 countries to provide the safety that we desperately need despite the fact that Obama has clearly already provided that very safety. Do you really think that this will make us safer than we are now? There are over a million Muslims in our country now. How many of them because of this will turn a lifetime of frustration into blowing up a building or opening fire in a shopping mall?

So we are supposed to tiptoe around on eggshells and hope they don't blowup the country that accepted them?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on January 31, 2017, 02:32:21 PM
You're looking at the alternative facts. The two brothers in Boston were American citizens.

No. Both came to the US under a grant of political asylum. One was naturalized, the other wasn't.

They came here legally.

I didn't say they didn't. But if you're going to call people liars and bigots you should have your facts straight. Which is why I helpfully provided the correct information.

Fair enough.

So Trump will ban Muslims from 7 countries to provide the safety that we desperately need despite the fact that Obama has clearly already provided that very safety. Do you really think that this will make us safer than we are now? There are over a million Muslims in our country now. How many of them because of this will turn a lifetime of frustration into blowing up a building or opening fire in a shopping mall?

I don't know enough about national security to say. I do know that terrorists were purposefully resettled in Europe as purported refugees and would not be surprised if the same thing happened in the US. Oh wait it already has:

"Several dozen suspected terrorist bombmakers, including some believed to have targeted American troops, may have mistakenly been allowed to move to the United States as war refugees, according to FBI agents investigating the remnants of roadside bombs recovered from Iraq and Afghanistan.

The discovery in 2009 of two al Qaeda-Iraq terrorists living as refugees in Bowling Green, Kentucky -- who later admitted in court that they'd attacked U.S. soldiers in Iraq -- prompted the bureau to assign hundreds of specialists to an around-the-clock effort aimed at checking its archive of 100,000 improvised explosive devices collected in the war zones, known as IEDs, for other suspected terrorists' fingerprints."

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qaeda-kentucky-us-dozens-terrorists-country-refugees/story?id=20931131

Anyway I don't see what the big deal is about a three month ban on immigration from seven countries. Obama banned immigration from Iraq in 2011. Jimmy Carter banned immigration from Iran in 1979. I don't recall Chuck Schumer bursting into tears then. 

Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on January 31, 2017, 03:01:50 PM
You're looking at the alternative facts. The two brothers in Boston were American citizens.

No. Both came to the US under a grant of political asylum. One was naturalized, the other wasn't.

They came here legally.

I didn't say they didn't. But if you're going to call people liars and bigots you should have your facts straight. Which is why I helpfully provided the correct information.

Fair enough.

So Trump will ban Muslims from 7 countries to provide the safety that we desperately need despite the fact that Obama has clearly already provided that very safety. Do you really think that this will make us safer than we are now? There are over a million Muslims in our country now. How many of them because of this will turn a lifetime of frustration into blowing up a building or opening fire in a shopping mall?

I don't know enough about national security to say. I do know that terrorists were purposefully resettled in Europe as purported refugees and would not be surprised if the same thing happened in the US. Oh wait it already has:

"Several dozen suspected terrorist bombmakers, including some believed to have targeted American troops, may have mistakenly been allowed to move to the United States as war refugees, according to FBI agents investigating the remnants of roadside bombs recovered from Iraq and Afghanistan.

The discovery in 2009 of two al Qaeda-Iraq terrorists living as refugees in Bowling Green, Kentucky -- who later admitted in court that they'd attacked U.S. soldiers in Iraq -- prompted the bureau to assign hundreds of specialists to an around-the-clock effort aimed at checking its archive of 100,000 improvised explosive devices collected in the war zones, known as IEDs, for other suspected terrorists' fingerprints."

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qaeda-kentucky-us-dozens-terrorists-country-refugees/story?id=20931131

Anyway I don't see what the big deal is about a three month ban on immigration from seven countries. Obama banned immigration from Iraq in 2011. Jimmy Carter banned immigration from Iran in 1979. I don't recall Chuck Schumer bursting into tears then. 



Seems to be a bit of urgency in Syria. Wouldn't you want to be rescued if you lived there?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Marco Baldi on January 31, 2017, 03:04:39 PM
You're looking at the alternative facts. The two brothers in Boston were American citizens.

No. Both came to the US under a grant of political asylum. One was naturalized, the other wasn't.

They came here legally.

I didn't say they didn't. But if you're going to call people liars and bigots you should have your facts straight. Which is why I helpfully provided the correct information.

Fair enough.

So Trump will ban Muslims from 7 countries to provide the safety that we desperately need despite the fact that Obama has clearly already provided that very safety. Do you really think that this will make us safer than we are now? There are over a million Muslims in our country now. How many of them because of this will turn a lifetime of frustration into blowing up a building or opening fire in a shopping mall?

I don't know enough about national security to say. I do know that terrorists were purposefully resettled in Europe as purported refugees and would not be surprised if the same thing happened in the US. Oh wait it already has:

"Several dozen suspected terrorist bombmakers, including some believed to have targeted American troops, may have mistakenly been allowed to move to the United States as war refugees, according to FBI agents investigating the remnants of roadside bombs recovered from Iraq and Afghanistan.

The discovery in 2009 of two al Qaeda-Iraq terrorists living as refugees in Bowling Green, Kentucky -- who later admitted in court that they'd attacked U.S. soldiers in Iraq -- prompted the bureau to assign hundreds of specialists to an around-the-clock effort aimed at checking its archive of 100,000 improvised explosive devices collected in the war zones, known as IEDs, for other suspected terrorists' fingerprints."

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qaeda-kentucky-us-dozens-terrorists-country-refugees/story?id=20931131

Anyway I don't see what the big deal is about a three month ban on immigration from seven countries. Obama banned immigration from Iraq in 2011. Jimmy Carter banned immigration from Iran in 1979. I don't recall Chuck Schumer bursting into tears then. 



Seems to be a bit of urgency in Syria. Wouldn't you want to be rescued if you lived there?

Plenty of $ in the surrounding Muslim nations to help their own out.  The USA has a lot of Its own problems that need to be taken care of. God forbid we help our own
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on January 31, 2017, 03:12:51 PM
You're looking at the alternative facts. The two brothers in Boston were American citizens.

No. Both came to the US under a grant of political asylum. One was naturalized, the other wasn't.

They came here legally.

I didn't say they didn't. But if you're going to call people liars and bigots you should have your facts straight. Which is why I helpfully provided the correct information.

Fair enough.

So Trump will ban Muslims from 7 countries to provide the safety that we desperately need despite the fact that Obama has clearly already provided that very safety. Do you really think that this will make us safer than we are now? There are over a million Muslims in our country now. How many of them because of this will turn a lifetime of frustration into blowing up a building or opening fire in a shopping mall?

I don't know enough about national security to say. I do know that terrorists were purposefully resettled in Europe as purported refugees and would not be surprised if the same thing happened in the US. Oh wait it already has:

"Several dozen suspected terrorist bombmakers, including some believed to have targeted American troops, may have mistakenly been allowed to move to the United States as war refugees, according to FBI agents investigating the remnants of roadside bombs recovered from Iraq and Afghanistan.

The discovery in 2009 of two al Qaeda-Iraq terrorists living as refugees in Bowling Green, Kentucky -- who later admitted in court that they'd attacked U.S. soldiers in Iraq -- prompted the bureau to assign hundreds of specialists to an around-the-clock effort aimed at checking its archive of 100,000 improvised explosive devices collected in the war zones, known as IEDs, for other suspected terrorists' fingerprints."

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qaeda-kentucky-us-dozens-terrorists-country-refugees/story?id=20931131

Anyway I don't see what the big deal is about a three month ban on immigration from seven countries. Obama banned immigration from Iraq in 2011. Jimmy Carter banned immigration from Iran in 1979. I don't recall Chuck Schumer bursting into tears then. 



Seems to be a bit of urgency in Syria. Wouldn't you want to be rescued if you lived there?

You think people who live in Topeka need to be rescued.

Why does rescue comprise resettlement in the US, as opposed to say Saudi Arabia?

Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on January 31, 2017, 04:15:35 PM
You're looking at the alternative facts. The two brothers in Boston were American citizens.

No. Both came to the US under a grant of political asylum. One was naturalized, the other wasn't.

They came here legally.

I didn't say they didn't. But if you're going to call people liars and bigots you should have your facts straight. Which is why I helpfully provided the correct information.

Fair enough.

So Trump will ban Muslims from 7 countries to provide the safety that we desperately need despite the fact that Obama has clearly already provided that very safety. Do you really think that this will make us safer than we are now? There are over a million Muslims in our country now. How many of them because of this will turn a lifetime of frustration into blowing up a building or opening fire in a shopping mall?

I don't know enough about national security to say. I do know that terrorists were purposefully resettled in Europe as purported refugees and would not be surprised if the same thing happened in the US. Oh wait it already has:

"Several dozen suspected terrorist bombmakers, including some believed to have targeted American troops, may have mistakenly been allowed to move to the United States as war refugees, according to FBI agents investigating the remnants of roadside bombs recovered from Iraq and Afghanistan.

The discovery in 2009 of two al Qaeda-Iraq terrorists living as refugees in Bowling Green, Kentucky -- who later admitted in court that they'd attacked U.S. soldiers in Iraq -- prompted the bureau to assign hundreds of specialists to an around-the-clock effort aimed at checking its archive of 100,000 improvised explosive devices collected in the war zones, known as IEDs, for other suspected terrorists' fingerprints."

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qaeda-kentucky-us-dozens-terrorists-country-refugees/story?id=20931131

Anyway I don't see what the big deal is about a three month ban on immigration from seven countries. Obama banned immigration from Iraq in 2011. Jimmy Carter banned immigration from Iran in 1979. I don't recall Chuck Schumer bursting into tears then. 



Seems to be a bit of urgency in Syria. Wouldn't you want to be rescued if you lived there?

Plenty of $ in the surrounding Muslim nations to help their own out.  The USA has a lot of Its own problems that need to be taken care of. God forbid we help our own

So confident that Trump won't put us all in serious danger? After he won, and kept Tweeting insane nonsense weren't you concerned that he was mentally unstable?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on January 31, 2017, 05:44:09 PM
So confident that Trump won't put us all in serious danger? After he won, and kept Tweeting insane nonsense weren't you concerned that he was mentally unstable?

Everyone on Twitter is mentally unstable.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on January 31, 2017, 06:17:53 PM
So confident that Trump won't put us all in serious danger? After he won, and kept Tweeting insane nonsense weren't you concerned that he was mentally unstable?

Everyone on Twitter is mentally unstable.

He's the President.

Has a hmm, you know, maybe this wasn't such a good idea crossed your mind yet?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on January 31, 2017, 06:19:43 PM
You're looking at the alternative facts. The two brothers in Boston were American citizens.

No. Both came to the US under a grant of political asylum. One was naturalized, the other wasn't.

They came here legally.

I didn't say they didn't. But if you're going to call people liars and bigots you should have your facts straight. Which is why I helpfully provided the correct information.

Fair enough.

So Trump will ban Muslims from 7 countries to provide the safety that we desperately need despite the fact that Obama has clearly already provided that very safety. Do you really think that this will make us safer than we are now? There are over a million Muslims in our country now. How many of them because of this will turn a lifetime of frustration into blowing up a building or opening fire in a shopping mall?

I don't know enough about national security to say. I do know that terrorists were purposefully resettled in Europe as purported refugees and would not be surprised if the same thing happened in the US. Oh wait it already has:

"Several dozen suspected terrorist bombmakers, including some believed to have targeted American troops, may have mistakenly been allowed to move to the United States as war refugees, according to FBI agents investigating the remnants of roadside bombs recovered from Iraq and Afghanistan.

The discovery in 2009 of two al Qaeda-Iraq terrorists living as refugees in Bowling Green, Kentucky -- who later admitted in court that they'd attacked U.S. soldiers in Iraq -- prompted the bureau to assign hundreds of specialists to an around-the-clock effort aimed at checking its archive of 100,000 improvised explosive devices collected in the war zones, known as IEDs, for other suspected terrorists' fingerprints."

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/al-qaeda-kentucky-us-dozens-terrorists-country-refugees/story?id=20931131

Anyway I don't see what the big deal is about a three month ban on immigration from seven countries. Obama banned immigration from Iraq in 2011. Jimmy Carter banned immigration from Iran in 1979. I don't recall Chuck Schumer bursting into tears then. 



Seems to be a bit of urgency in Syria. Wouldn't you want to be rescued if you lived there?

You think people who live in Topeka need to be rescued.

Why does rescue comprise resettlement in the US, as opposed to say Saudi Arabia?


Resettlement is what this country is. No one came up out of the soil even though some might believe that they did.

And in regards to Topeka, I haven't given much thought to the people in Topeka, but not to worry, those are the people who Trump is going to save. Screw automation. Let's get the lever pullers back out there anyway. He's going to bring manufacturing back or he's not and instead he's going to F around on Twitter.

This is our President. Not Ann Coulter, but is there even a subtle difference?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Gray Chudney on January 31, 2017, 07:07:31 PM
Whether or not this policy makes us safer is debatable. The way the EO was implemented was symptomatic of an autocratic-leaning administration.  The normal protocol for an EO calls for collaboration with other agencies to ensure legality under the constitution and to ensure that execution of the order is understood by the government officials who have to enforce it.  At a minimum, this was very poorly handled and makes the WH look inept, malevolent, or both.

My view is that this EO oversteps the boundaries of executive powers and is discriminatory (on the basis of religion).  Moreover, the intelligence community views this as a strategic misstep in foreign policy.  It seemingly is a solution to a problem that does not exist.  Fear mongering, playing to the base...

If Bannon wasn't running the WH, benefit of the doubt might be in order.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Gray Chudney on January 31, 2017, 07:13:00 PM
Also, I think it's important that a community like JJ discuss this stuff. We are more alike than we are different and hearing a diversity of opinion is helpful for everybody.  Hopefully we keep it civil.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on January 31, 2017, 08:47:05 PM
So confident that Trump won't put us all in serious danger? After he won, and kept Tweeting insane nonsense weren't you concerned that he was mentally unstable?

Everyone on Twitter is mentally unstable.

He's the President.

Has a hmm, you know, maybe this wasn't such a good idea crossed your mind yet?

I didn't vote for Trump. So no.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on January 31, 2017, 09:00:58 PM
Resettlement is what this country is. No one came up out of the soil even though some might believe that they did.

Everywhere was once empty. Nowhere in the world is that justification for an unfettered immigration policy, except maybe Germany, and look how that turned out. In two generations there isn't going to be a Germany. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but only because of Germans. As the Russian proverb says: the German may be a good fellow but it’s better to hang him.

In any event the fact that immigration once occurred doesn't mean that immigration should continue. Bring me your tired and your hungry isn't policy, it's bad poetry.  Odd how fond alleged progressives are of the 19th century when it suits them. 


Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on January 31, 2017, 09:03:30 PM
 
Whether or not this policy makes us safer is debatable. The way the EO was implemented was symptomatic of an autocratic-leaning administration.  The normal protocol for an EO calls for collaboration with other agencies to ensure legality under the constitution and to ensure that execution of the order is understood by the government officials who have to enforce it.  At a minimum, this was very poorly handled and makes the WH look inept, malevolent, or both.

"I've got a pen, and I've got a phone, and I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive action.Where I can act on my own without Congress, I'm going to do so. I've got a pen to take executive actions where Congress won't, and I've got a telephone to rally folks around the country on this mission."

Donald Trump  Barack Obama
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Gray Chudney on January 31, 2017, 10:01:13 PM
Whether or not this policy makes us safer is debatable. The way the EO was implemented was symptomatic of an autocratic-leaning administration.  The normal protocol for an EO calls for collaboration with other agencies to ensure legality under the constitution and to ensure that execution of the order is understood by the government officials who have to enforce it.  At a minimum, this was very poorly handled and makes the WH look inept, malevolent, or both.

"I've got a pen, and I've got a phone, and I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive action.Where I can act on my own without Congress, I'm going to do so. I've got a pen to take executive actions where Congress won't, and I've got a telephone to rally folks around the country on this mission."

Donald Trump  Barack Obama

Interesting that Constitutionalists who beat this drum for years under Obama are silent on a pen stroke more extreme than any executive action since Nixon.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: goredmen on January 31, 2017, 10:28:26 PM
Obama is a bad ass on immigration. That's probably why for the last 8 years we haven't been allowing terrorists into our country.

Orlando, Florida, June 12, 2016. Omar Mateen, 29, whose father was a refugee from Afghanistan who has openly expressed sympathies for the Taliban and anti-American sentiments via his satellite-broadcasted show, opened fire at a gay nightclub, killing 49 and injuring 53. The FBI investigated Mateen twice before his rampage, but did not take any substantive action. Officials believe Mateen was self-radicalized but he pledged fealty to ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi before his death. "The real muslims will never accept the filthy ways of the west," Mateen posted on his Facebook page after committing his heinous act at Pulse nightclub. "I pledge my alliance to (ISIS leader) abu bakr al Baghdadi..may Allah accept me," he wrote.

St. Cloud, Minnesota, September 17, 2016. Dahir Ahmed Adan, a 20-year-old Somali refugee, began hacking at people with a steak knife at a Minnesota mall, injuring nine people before he was shot dead by off-duty police officer Jason Falconer. The FBI said numerous witnesses heard Adan yelling "Allahu akbar!" and "Islam! Islam!" during the rampage. He also asked potential victims if they were Muslims before inflicting wounds in their heads, necks, and chests. The FBI believe he had recently become self-radicalized. (As the Daily Wire highlighted, the Minneapolis Star Tribune attempted to blame "anti-Muslim tensions" for his murderous actions.)

Columbus, Ohio, November 28, 2016. Abdul Razak Ali Artan, an ISIS-inspired 20-year-old Somali refugee who had been granted permanent legal residence in 2014 after living in Pakistan for 7  years, attempted to run over his fellow Ohio State students on campus. After his car was stopped by a barrier, he got out of the vehicle and began hacking at people with a butcher knife before being shot dead by a campus police officer. He injured 11 people, one critically. ISIS took credit for the attack, describing Artan as their "soldier." Just three minutes before his rampage, Artan posted a warning to America on Facebook that the "lone wolf attacks" will continue until America "give peace to the Muslims." He also praised deceased al-Qaeda cleric Anwar Al-Awlaki as a "hero".

Just to name a few
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 01, 2017, 01:05:28 AM
Resettlement is what this country is. No one came up out of the soil even though some might believe that they did.

Everywhere was once empty. Nowhere in the world is that justification for an unfettered immigration policy, except maybe Germany, and look how that turned out. In two generations there isn't going to be a Germany. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but only because of Germans. As the Russian proverb says: the German may be a good fellow but it’s better to hang him.

In any event the fact that immigration once occurred doesn't mean that immigration should continue. Bring me your tired and your hungry isn't policy, it's bad poetry.  Odd how fond alleged progressives are of the 19th century when it suits them. 


There are plenty of dangerous of people that shouldn't be allowed in. There are also plenty of people, such as Bannon that don't deserve to be here. If we are going to change our policy significantly on who is allowed in, maybe we should also change our policy on who is allowed to stay. White people included. I know, hysterical, right? We have way too many, lazy useless white people. We could stand to do without the unemployed factory worker who has refused to adapt and is now addicted to meth, or something worse.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 01, 2017, 01:16:26 AM
Obama is a bad ass on immigration. That's probably why for the last 8 years we haven't been allowing terrorists into our country.

Orlando, Florida, June 12, 2016. Omar Mateen, 29, whose father was a refugee from Afghanistan who has openly expressed sympathies for the Taliban and anti-American sentiments via his satellite-broadcasted show, opened fire at a gay nightclub, killing 49 and injuring 53. The FBI investigated Mateen twice before his rampage, but did not take any substantive action. Officials believe Mateen was self-radicalized but he pledged fealty to ISIS leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi before his death. "The real muslims will never accept the filthy ways of the west," Mateen posted on his Facebook page after committing his heinous act at Pulse nightclub. "I pledge my alliance to (ISIS leader) abu bakr al Baghdadi..may Allah accept me," he wrote.

St. Cloud, Minnesota, September 17, 2016. Dahir Ahmed Adan, a 20-year-old Somali refugee, began hacking at people with a steak knife at a Minnesota mall, injuring nine people before he was shot dead by off-duty police officer Jason Falconer. The FBI said numerous witnesses heard Adan yelling "Allahu akbar!" and "Islam! Islam!" during the rampage. He also asked potential victims if they were Muslims before inflicting wounds in their heads, necks, and chests. The FBI believe he had recently become self-radicalized. (As the Daily Wire highlighted, the Minneapolis Star Tribune attempted to blame "anti-Muslim tensions" for his murderous actions.)

Columbus, Ohio, November 28, 2016. Abdul Razak Ali Artan, an ISIS-inspired 20-year-old Somali refugee who had been granted permanent legal residence in 2014 after living in Pakistan for 7  years, attempted to run over his fellow Ohio State students on campus. After his car was stopped by a barrier, he got out of the vehicle and began hacking at people with a butcher knife before being shot dead by a campus police officer. He injured 11 people, one critically. ISIS took credit for the attack, describing Artan as their "soldier." Just three minutes before his rampage, Artan posted a warning to America on Facebook that the "lone wolf attacks" will continue until America "give peace to the Muslims." He also praised deceased al-Qaeda cleric Anwar Al-Awlaki as a "hero".

Just to name a few

Omar Mateen was born in New Hyde Park, NY. You don't get to blame his attack on attack on Obama. He was domestic and he became radicalized. IDK why you're bringing up a guy in Minnesota who stabbed a few people and no one even died. It's not nothing at all, but come on, that shit happens every day in NY.

Trump is going to destroy those pathetic numbers. Barely any terrorism at all occurred under Obama. Yes, there was some, but nothing that was anywhere near the level of 9/11, where a Republican ignored the warning he was given. Ohio same shit. These are two examples of people who are sick in the head. If instead, this were a white man and he walked into a South Carolina church and murdered innocent black people would he be a terrorist, or does he just get to be crazy? Seems to me as long as there are more guns than people in this country, terror is always just around the corner anywhere you are.

Sleep well. Night.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 01, 2017, 01:26:52 AM
You're looking at the alternative facts. The two brothers in Boston were American citizens.

No. Both came to the US under a grant of political asylum. One was naturalized, the other wasn't.

They came here legally.

I didn't say they didn't. But if you're going to call people liars and bigots you should have your facts straight. Which is why I helpfully provided the correct information.

Fair enough.

So Trump will ban Muslims from 7 countries to provide the safety that we desperately need despite the fact that Obama has clearly already provided that very safety. Do you really think that this will make us safer than we are now? There are over a million Muslims in our country now. How many of them because of this will turn a lifetime of frustration into blowing up a building or opening fire in a shopping mall?

So we are supposed to tiptoe around on eggshells and hope they don't blowup the country that accepted them?

Nope. Doesn't matter if you tip toe. We are going to get hit. They are already here and Trump's behavior will radicalize them in larger numbers than we've seen. This is not a President. He is putting our lives at risk for no reason other than the attention it gets him. I don't think anyone would say that we should always be working to improve our vetting system, and even if we do, don't you think a few nuts will always come out of the woodwork, just by the law of averages?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on February 01, 2017, 07:19:37 AM
Whether or not this policy makes us safer is debatable. The way the EO was implemented was symptomatic of an autocratic-leaning administration.  The normal protocol for an EO calls for collaboration with other agencies to ensure legality under the constitution and to ensure that execution of the order is understood by the government officials who have to enforce it.  At a minimum, this was very poorly handled and makes the WH look inept, malevolent, or both.

"I've got a pen, and I've got a phone, and I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive action.Where I can act on my own without Congress, I'm going to do so. I've got a pen to take executive actions where Congress won't, and I've got a telephone to rally folks around the country on this mission."

Donald Trump  Barack Obama

Interesting that Constitutionalists who beat this drum for years under Obama are silent on a pen stroke more extreme than any executive action since Nixon.

Golly yeah, this evil republican is the worst most evil republican since the other worst most evil republican because a three month ban on immigration is the most extreme extremism since the beginning of extremities. I knew it was super cereal when you skipped George BushMcHitler and went straight back to Nixon. You people are a hoot.

What the right said about Obama is that the left would rue the day that they applauded the expansion of executive power, because they wouldn't be in power forever. Enjoy the chickens come home to roost.

Question: how come liberals only have principles when they're not in power? Don't bother answering, that's rhetorical. 
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 01, 2017, 07:26:55 AM
Whether or not this policy makes us safer is debatable. The way the EO was implemented was symptomatic of an autocratic-leaning administration.  The normal protocol for an EO calls for collaboration with other agencies to ensure legality under the constitution and to ensure that execution of the order is understood by the government officials who have to enforce it.  At a minimum, this was very poorly handled and makes the WH look inept, malevolent, or both.

"I've got a pen, and I've got a phone, and I can use that pen to sign executive orders and take executive action.Where I can act on my own without Congress, I'm going to do so. I've got a pen to take executive actions where Congress won't, and I've got a telephone to rally folks around the country on this mission."

Donald Trump  Barack Obama

Interesting that Constitutionalists who beat this drum for years under Obama are silent on a pen stroke more extreme than any executive action since Nixon.

Golly yeah, this evil republican is the worst most evil republican since the other worst most evil republican because a three month ban on immigration is the most extreme extremism since the beginning of extremities. I knew it was super cereal when you skipped George BushMcHitler and went straight back to Nixon. You people are a hoot.

What the right said about Obama is that the left would rue the day that they applauded the expansion of executive power, because they wouldn't be in power forever. Enjoy the chickens come home to roost.

Question: how come liberals only have principles when they're not in power? Don't bother answering, that's rhetorical. 

Jesus, make some damn sense. Obama is one of the best Presidents our country has ever had. Trump is a disease. I can't wait until he travels overseas, or until there is a real threat on his life. He's going to shit himself. Maybe then he'll attend an intelligence briefing.

Seriously, aren't you embarrassed that our secret service has to take a bullet for this POS?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on February 01, 2017, 07:33:09 AM
There are plenty of dangerous of people that shouldn't be allowed in. There are also plenty of people, such as Bannon that don't deserve to be here. If we are going to change our policy significantly on who is allowed in, maybe we should also change our policy on who is allowed to stay. White people included. I know, hysterical, right? We have way too many, lazy useless white people. We could stand to do without the unemployed factory worker who has refused to adapt and is now addicted to meth, or something worse.

If you think your going to shock a misanthrope like myself by disdaining the common man you're going to be disappointed. I agree: there's too many people, of all shapes, colors, sizes and flavors. That's why I don't live in Scarsdale and take the Metro North. That's why I'd rather live in Topeka than Jamaica. Because people suck and there's too many of them and most of them smell bad and have poor hygiene and disgusting personal habits. So I live where they ain't.

As to who's dangerous and who isn't, why don't we ask Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. Let me know what you think:

"It would be nice," [KSM] said, if al Qaeda or like-minded Islamists could bring America to its knees with catastrophic attacks, but that was unlikely to happen; "not practical" is the wording he used. From his perspective, the long war for Islamic domination wasn't going to be won in the streets with bombs and bullets and bloodshed. No, it would be won in the minds of the American people.

He said the terror attacks were good, but the "practical" way to defeat America was through immigration and by outbreeding non-Muslims. He said jihadi-minded brothers would immigrate into the United States, taking advantage of the welfare system to support themselves while they spread their jihadi message. They will wrap themselves in America's rights and laws for protection, ratchet up acceptance of Sharia law, and then, only when they were strong enough, rise up and violently impose Sharia from within. He said the brothers would relentlessly continue their attacks and the American people eventually would become so tired, so frightened, and so weary of war that they would just want it to end.

"Eventually," KSM said, "America will expose her neck to us for slaughter."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/911-mastermind-al-qaeda-favors-immigration-to-defeat-usa/article/2608083

Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on February 01, 2017, 07:38:37 AM
. Obama is one of the best Presidents our country has ever had.

Obama is a facist.  Thank goodness he was so lazy and incompetent, otherwise he might have been dangerous.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 01, 2017, 07:44:12 AM
There are plenty of dangerous of people that shouldn't be allowed in. There are also plenty of people, such as Bannon that don't deserve to be here. If we are going to change our policy significantly on who is allowed in, maybe we should also change our policy on who is allowed to stay. White people included. I know, hysterical, right? We have way too many, lazy useless white people. We could stand to do without the unemployed factory worker who has refused to adapt and is now addicted to meth, or something worse.

If you think your going to shock a misanthrope like myself by disdaining the common man you're going to be disappointed. I agree: there's too many people, of all shapes, colors, sizes and flavors. That's why I don't live in Scarsdale and take the Metro North. That's why I'd rather live in Topeka than Jamaica. Because people suck and there's too many of them and most of them smell bad and have poor hygiene and disgusting personal habits. So I live where they ain't.

As to who's dangerous and who isn't, why don't we ask Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. Let me know what you think:

"It would be nice," [KSM] said, if al Qaeda or like-minded Islamists could bring America to its knees with catastrophic attacks, but that was unlikely to happen; "not practical" is the wording he used. From his perspective, the long war for Islamic domination wasn't going to be won in the streets with bombs and bullets and bloodshed. No, it would be won in the minds of the American people.

He said the terror attacks were good, but the "practical" way to defeat America was through immigration and by outbreeding non-Muslims. He said jihadi-minded brothers would immigrate into the United States, taking advantage of the welfare system to support themselves while they spread their jihadi message. They will wrap themselves in America's rights and laws for protection, ratchet up acceptance of Sharia law, and then, only when they were strong enough, rise up and violently impose Sharia from within. He said the brothers would relentlessly continue their attacks and the American people eventually would become so tired, so frightened, and so weary of war that they would just want it to end.

"Eventually," KSM said, "America will expose her neck to us for slaughter."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/911-mastermind-al-qaeda-favors-immigration-to-defeat-usa/article/2608083


Immigration isn't a problem. Your post is pointless. You should be more scared of nuts like Bannon, Sessions, oh and F*ckstick Von Cownstick. That's your guy? Captain Golden Showers. RIP America. Why worry about KSM when Trump has significantly more power? Who will the world consider to be the more dangerous terrorist in 6 months? What Trump will not be able to handle is that world leaders, not all of them, aren't the least bit afraid of him. Trump will push, and for the first time in his gold plated, silver spoon penthouse life, they will push back. I just hope they push back hard enough.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 01, 2017, 07:46:08 AM
. Obama is one of the best Presidents our country has ever had.

Obama is a facist.  Thank goodness he was so lazy and incompetent, otherwise he might have been dangerous.

Wait, I though he was a secret Muslim? Which is it?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on February 01, 2017, 08:03:39 AM
There are plenty of dangerous of people that shouldn't be allowed in. There are also plenty of people, such as Bannon that don't deserve to be here. If we are going to change our policy significantly on who is allowed in, maybe we should also change our policy on who is allowed to stay. White people included. I know, hysterical, right? We have way too many, lazy useless white people. We could stand to do without the unemployed factory worker who has refused to adapt and is now addicted to meth, or something worse.

If you think your going to shock a misanthrope like myself by disdaining the common man you're going to be disappointed. I agree: there's too many people, of all shapes, colors, sizes and flavors. That's why I don't live in Scarsdale and take the Metro North. That's why I'd rather live in Topeka than Jamaica. Because people suck and there's too many of them and most of them smell bad and have poor hygiene and disgusting personal habits. So I live where they ain't.

As to who's dangerous and who isn't, why don't we ask Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. Let me know what you think:

"It would be nice," [KSM] said, if al Qaeda or like-minded Islamists could bring America to its knees with catastrophic attacks, but that was unlikely to happen; "not practical" is the wording he used. From his perspective, the long war for Islamic domination wasn't going to be won in the streets with bombs and bullets and bloodshed. No, it would be won in the minds of the American people.

He said the terror attacks were good, but the "practical" way to defeat America was through immigration and by outbreeding non-Muslims. He said jihadi-minded brothers would immigrate into the United States, taking advantage of the welfare system to support themselves while they spread their jihadi message. They will wrap themselves in America's rights and laws for protection, ratchet up acceptance of Sharia law, and then, only when they were strong enough, rise up and violently impose Sharia from within. He said the brothers would relentlessly continue their attacks and the American people eventually would become so tired, so frightened, and so weary of war that they would just want it to end.

"Eventually," KSM said, "America will expose her neck to us for slaughter."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/911-mastermind-al-qaeda-favors-immigration-to-defeat-usa/article/2608083


Immigration isn't a problem. Your post is pointless. You should be more scared of nuts like Bannon, Sessions, oh and F*ckstick Von Cownstick. That's your guy? Captain Golden Showers. RIP America. Why worry about KSM when Trump has significantly more power? Who will the world consider to be the more dangerous terrorist in 6 months? What Trump will not be able to handle is that world leaders, not all of them, aren't the least bit afraid of him. Trump will push, and for the first time in his gold plated, silver spoon penthouse life, they will push back. I just hope they push back hard enough.

Jesus go lie down on the divan with some smelling salts, you sound like you're going to faint. Donald Trump is a game show host. He's as likely to commit a terrorist act as Wink Martindale.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 01, 2017, 08:15:07 AM
There are plenty of dangerous of people that shouldn't be allowed in. There are also plenty of people, such as Bannon that don't deserve to be here. If we are going to change our policy significantly on who is allowed in, maybe we should also change our policy on who is allowed to stay. White people included. I know, hysterical, right? We have way too many, lazy useless white people. We could stand to do without the unemployed factory worker who has refused to adapt and is now addicted to meth, or something worse.

If you think your going to shock a misanthrope like myself by disdaining the common man you're going to be disappointed. I agree: there's too many people, of all shapes, colors, sizes and flavors. That's why I don't live in Scarsdale and take the Metro North. That's why I'd rather live in Topeka than Jamaica. Because people suck and there's too many of them and most of them smell bad and have poor hygiene and disgusting personal habits. So I live where they ain't.

As to who's dangerous and who isn't, why don't we ask Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. Let me know what you think:

"It would be nice," [KSM] said, if al Qaeda or like-minded Islamists could bring America to its knees with catastrophic attacks, but that was unlikely to happen; "not practical" is the wording he used. From his perspective, the long war for Islamic domination wasn't going to be won in the streets with bombs and bullets and bloodshed. No, it would be won in the minds of the American people.

He said the terror attacks were good, but the "practical" way to defeat America was through immigration and by outbreeding non-Muslims. He said jihadi-minded brothers would immigrate into the United States, taking advantage of the welfare system to support themselves while they spread their jihadi message. They will wrap themselves in America's rights and laws for protection, ratchet up acceptance of Sharia law, and then, only when they were strong enough, rise up and violently impose Sharia from within. He said the brothers would relentlessly continue their attacks and the American people eventually would become so tired, so frightened, and so weary of war that they would just want it to end.

"Eventually," KSM said, "America will expose her neck to us for slaughter."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/911-mastermind-al-qaeda-favors-immigration-to-defeat-usa/article/2608083


Immigration isn't a problem. Your post is pointless. You should be more scared of nuts like Bannon, Sessions, oh and F*ckstick Von Cownstick. That's your guy? Captain Golden Showers. RIP America. Why worry about KSM when Trump has significantly more power? Who will the world consider to be the more dangerous terrorist in 6 months? What Trump will not be able to handle is that world leaders, not all of them, aren't the least bit afraid of him. Trump will push, and for the first time in his gold plated, silver spoon penthouse life, they will push back. I just hope they push back hard enough.

Jesus go lie down on the divan with some smelling salts, you sound like you're going to faint. Donald Trump is a game show host. He's as likely to commit a terrorist act as Wink Martindale.

He's already committing them. Look at these protests. The people aren't going to faint. They are angry. They are going to revolt.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on February 01, 2017, 09:00:56 AM
There are plenty of dangerous of people that shouldn't be allowed in. There are also plenty of people, such as Bannon that don't deserve to be here. If we are going to change our policy significantly on who is allowed in, maybe we should also change our policy on who is allowed to stay. White people included. I know, hysterical, right? We have way too many, lazy useless white people. We could stand to do without the unemployed factory worker who has refused to adapt and is now addicted to meth, or something worse.

If you think your going to shock a misanthrope like myself by disdaining the common man you're going to be disappointed. I agree: there's too many people, of all shapes, colors, sizes and flavors. That's why I don't live in Scarsdale and take the Metro North. That's why I'd rather live in Topeka than Jamaica. Because people suck and there's too many of them and most of them smell bad and have poor hygiene and disgusting personal habits. So I live where they ain't.

As to who's dangerous and who isn't, why don't we ask Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. Let me know what you think:

"It would be nice," [KSM] said, if al Qaeda or like-minded Islamists could bring America to its knees with catastrophic attacks, but that was unlikely to happen; "not practical" is the wording he used. From his perspective, the long war for Islamic domination wasn't going to be won in the streets with bombs and bullets and bloodshed. No, it would be won in the minds of the American people.

He said the terror attacks were good, but the "practical" way to defeat America was through immigration and by outbreeding non-Muslims. He said jihadi-minded brothers would immigrate into the United States, taking advantage of the welfare system to support themselves while they spread their jihadi message. They will wrap themselves in America's rights and laws for protection, ratchet up acceptance of Sharia law, and then, only when they were strong enough, rise up and violently impose Sharia from within. He said the brothers would relentlessly continue their attacks and the American people eventually would become so tired, so frightened, and so weary of war that they would just want it to end.

"Eventually," KSM said, "America will expose her neck to us for slaughter."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/911-mastermind-al-qaeda-favors-immigration-to-defeat-usa/article/2608083


Immigration isn't a problem. Your post is pointless. You should be more scared of nuts like Bannon, Sessions, oh and F*ckstick Von Cownstick. That's your guy? Captain Golden Showers. RIP America. Why worry about KSM when Trump has significantly more power? Who will the world consider to be the more dangerous terrorist in 6 months? What Trump will not be able to handle is that world leaders, not all of them, aren't the least bit afraid of him. Trump will push, and for the first time in his gold plated, silver spoon penthouse life, they will push back. I just hope they push back hard enough.

Jesus go lie down on the divan with some smelling salts, you sound like you're going to faint. Donald Trump is a game show host. He's as likely to commit a terrorist act as Wink Martindale.

He's already committing them. Look at these protests. The people aren't going to faint. They are angry. They are going to revolt.

They're already revolting.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 01, 2017, 09:13:56 AM
There are plenty of dangerous of people that shouldn't be allowed in. There are also plenty of people, such as Bannon that don't deserve to be here. If we are going to change our policy significantly on who is allowed in, maybe we should also change our policy on who is allowed to stay. White people included. I know, hysterical, right? We have way too many, lazy useless white people. We could stand to do without the unemployed factory worker who has refused to adapt and is now addicted to meth, or something worse.

If you think your going to shock a misanthrope like myself by disdaining the common man you're going to be disappointed. I agree: there's too many people, of all shapes, colors, sizes and flavors. That's why I don't live in Scarsdale and take the Metro North. That's why I'd rather live in Topeka than Jamaica. Because people suck and there's too many of them and most of them smell bad and have poor hygiene and disgusting personal habits. So I live where they ain't.

As to who's dangerous and who isn't, why don't we ask Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. Let me know what you think:

"It would be nice," [KSM] said, if al Qaeda or like-minded Islamists could bring America to its knees with catastrophic attacks, but that was unlikely to happen; "not practical" is the wording he used. From his perspective, the long war for Islamic domination wasn't going to be won in the streets with bombs and bullets and bloodshed. No, it would be won in the minds of the American people.

He said the terror attacks were good, but the "practical" way to defeat America was through immigration and by outbreeding non-Muslims. He said jihadi-minded brothers would immigrate into the United States, taking advantage of the welfare system to support themselves while they spread their jihadi message. They will wrap themselves in America's rights and laws for protection, ratchet up acceptance of Sharia law, and then, only when they were strong enough, rise up and violently impose Sharia from within. He said the brothers would relentlessly continue their attacks and the American people eventually would become so tired, so frightened, and so weary of war that they would just want it to end.

"Eventually," KSM said, "America will expose her neck to us for slaughter."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/911-mastermind-al-qaeda-favors-immigration-to-defeat-usa/article/2608083


Immigration isn't a problem. Your post is pointless. You should be more scared of nuts like Bannon, Sessions, oh and F*ckstick Von Cownstick. That's your guy? Captain Golden Showers. RIP America. Why worry about KSM when Trump has significantly more power? Who will the world consider to be the more dangerous terrorist in 6 months? What Trump will not be able to handle is that world leaders, not all of them, aren't the least bit afraid of him. Trump will push, and for the first time in his gold plated, silver spoon penthouse life, they will push back. I just hope they push back hard enough.

Jesus go lie down on the divan with some smelling salts, you sound like you're going to faint. Donald Trump is a game show host. He's as likely to commit a terrorist act as Wink Martindale.

He's already committing them. Look at these protests. The people aren't going to faint. They are angry. They are going to revolt.

They're already revolting.

Have you seen the people at Trump rallies?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: cjfish on February 01, 2017, 09:24:08 AM
The 3 month ban is only the beginning.  Domestic oppression will inevitably lead to an increase in domestic terroristic acts.  Right now there are Muslims in Brooklyn taking ISIS more seriously and thinking that to support ISIS by committing acts of terror is a viable action.  They have relatives, friends and associates who are affected. I hope the NYPD has ears on Atlantic Ave.  Obama's sound policies have resulted in minimal terrorist activity over the last 8 years but, I promise you, Trumps policies will ratchet up terror.  And it will be blamed on Obama.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on February 01, 2017, 09:39:31 AM
There are plenty of dangerous of people that shouldn't be allowed in. There are also plenty of people, such as Bannon that don't deserve to be here. If we are going to change our policy significantly on who is allowed in, maybe we should also change our policy on who is allowed to stay. White people included. I know, hysterical, right? We have way too many, lazy useless white people. We could stand to do without the unemployed factory worker who has refused to adapt and is now addicted to meth, or something worse.

If you think your going to shock a misanthrope like myself by disdaining the common man you're going to be disappointed. I agree: there's too many people, of all shapes, colors, sizes and flavors. That's why I don't live in Scarsdale and take the Metro North. That's why I'd rather live in Topeka than Jamaica. Because people suck and there's too many of them and most of them smell bad and have poor hygiene and disgusting personal habits. So I live where they ain't.

As to who's dangerous and who isn't, why don't we ask Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. Let me know what you think:

"It would be nice," [KSM] said, if al Qaeda or like-minded Islamists could bring America to its knees with catastrophic attacks, but that was unlikely to happen; "not practical" is the wording he used. From his perspective, the long war for Islamic domination wasn't going to be won in the streets with bombs and bullets and bloodshed. No, it would be won in the minds of the American people.

He said the terror attacks were good, but the "practical" way to defeat America was through immigration and by outbreeding non-Muslims. He said jihadi-minded brothers would immigrate into the United States, taking advantage of the welfare system to support themselves while they spread their jihadi message. They will wrap themselves in America's rights and laws for protection, ratchet up acceptance of Sharia law, and then, only when they were strong enough, rise up and violently impose Sharia from within. He said the brothers would relentlessly continue their attacks and the American people eventually would become so tired, so frightened, and so weary of war that they would just want it to end.

"Eventually," KSM said, "America will expose her neck to us for slaughter."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/911-mastermind-al-qaeda-favors-immigration-to-defeat-usa/article/2608083


Immigration isn't a problem. Your post is pointless. You should be more scared of nuts like Bannon, Sessions, oh and F*ckstick Von Cownstick. That's your guy? Captain Golden Showers. RIP America. Why worry about KSM when Trump has significantly more power? Who will the world consider to be the more dangerous terrorist in 6 months? What Trump will not be able to handle is that world leaders, not all of them, aren't the least bit afraid of him. Trump will push, and for the first time in his gold plated, silver spoon penthouse life, they will push back. I just hope they push back hard enough.

Jesus go lie down on the divan with some smelling salts, you sound like you're going to faint. Donald Trump is a game show host. He's as likely to commit a terrorist act as Wink Martindale.

He's already committing them. Look at these protests. The people aren't going to faint. They are angry. They are going to revolt.

They're already revolting.

Have you seen the people at Trump rallies?

You mean those salt of the earth patriots who love God and country? What about them?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 01, 2017, 09:46:50 AM
The 3 month ban is only the beginning.  Domestic oppression will inevitably lead to an increase in domestic terroristic acts.  Right now there are Muslims in Brooklyn taking ISIS more seriously and thinking that to support ISIS by committing acts of terror is a viable action.  They have relatives, friends and associates who are affected. I hope the NYPD has ears on Atlantic Ave.  Obama's sound policies have resulted in minimal terrorist activity over the last 8 years but, I promise you, Trumps policies will ratchet up terror.  And it will be blamed on Obama.

Exactly right
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: goredmen on February 01, 2017, 10:49:53 AM
There are plenty of dangerous of people that shouldn't be allowed in. There are also plenty of people, such as Bannon that don't deserve to be here. If we are going to change our policy significantly on who is allowed in, maybe we should also change our policy on who is allowed to stay. White people included. I know, hysterical, right? We have way too many, lazy useless white people. We could stand to do without the unemployed factory worker who has refused to adapt and is now addicted to meth, or something worse.

If you think your going to shock a misanthrope like myself by disdaining the common man you're going to be disappointed. I agree: there's too many people, of all shapes, colors, sizes and flavors. That's why I don't live in Scarsdale and take the Metro North. That's why I'd rather live in Topeka than Jamaica. Because people suck and there's too many of them and most of them smell bad and have poor hygiene and disgusting personal habits. So I live where they ain't.

As to who's dangerous and who isn't, why don't we ask Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. Let me know what you think:

"It would be nice," [KSM] said, if al Qaeda or like-minded Islamists could bring America to its knees with catastrophic attacks, but that was unlikely to happen; "not practical" is the wording he used. From his perspective, the long war for Islamic domination wasn't going to be won in the streets with bombs and bullets and bloodshed. No, it would be won in the minds of the American people.

He said the terror attacks were good, but the "practical" way to defeat America was through immigration and by outbreeding non-Muslims. He said jihadi-minded brothers would immigrate into the United States, taking advantage of the welfare system to support themselves while they spread their jihadi message. They will wrap themselves in America's rights and laws for protection, ratchet up acceptance of Sharia law, and then, only when they were strong enough, rise up and violently impose Sharia from within. He said the brothers would relentlessly continue their attacks and the American people eventually would become so tired, so frightened, and so weary of war that they would just want it to end.

"Eventually," KSM said, "America will expose her neck to us for slaughter."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/911-mastermind-al-qaeda-favors-immigration-to-defeat-usa/article/2608083


Immigration isn't a problem. Your post is pointless. You should be more scared of nuts like Bannon, Sessions, oh and F*ckstick Von Cownstick. That's your guy? Captain Golden Showers. RIP America. Why worry about KSM when Trump has significantly more power? Who will the world consider to be the more dangerous terrorist in 6 months? What Trump will not be able to handle is that world leaders, not all of them, aren't the least bit afraid of him. Trump will push, and for the first time in his gold plated, silver spoon penthouse life, they will push back. I just hope they push back hard enough.

Jesus go lie down on the divan with some smelling salts, you sound like you're going to faint. Donald Trump is a game show host. He's as likely to commit a terrorist act as Wink Martindale.

He's already committing them. Look at these protests. The people aren't going to faint. They are angry. They are going to revolt.

Please name a specific terrorist act he's already committed
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Marco Baldi on February 01, 2017, 11:53:55 AM
The 3 month ban is only the beginning.  Domestic oppression will inevitably lead to an increase in domestic terroristic acts.  Right now there are Muslims in Brooklyn taking ISIS more seriously and thinking that to support ISIS by committing acts of terror is a viable action.  They have relatives, friends and associates who are affected. I hope the NYPD has ears on Atlantic Ave.  Obama's sound policies have resulted in minimal terrorist activity over the last 8 years but, I promise you, Trumps policies will ratchet up terror.  And it will be blamed on Obama.

They can go visit and stay with their relatives if they are unhappy here
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: goredmen on February 01, 2017, 12:37:29 PM
The 3 month ban is only the beginning.  Domestic oppression will inevitably lead to an increase in domestic terroristic acts.  Right now there are Muslims in Brooklyn taking ISIS more seriously and thinking that to support ISIS by committing acts of terror is a viable action.  They have relatives, friends and associates who are affected. I hope the NYPD has ears on Atlantic Ave.  Obama's sound policies have resulted in minimal terrorist activity over the last 8 years but, I promise you, Trumps policies will ratchet up terror.  And it will be blamed on Obama.

First of all it's not domestic oppression. The people already legally here aren't going anywhere. Second, you do realize that saying that moderate Muslims could be radicalized into committing terroristic acts because of this common sense procedure is the most Islamophobic thing you could say, right? If this causes Muslims to commit terrorist actions then they were never moderate to begin with. We can't prevent ourselves from making laws because terrorists may not like them. Weird how I never remember people saying we should outlaw abortion or else Christians would start blowing things up
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 01, 2017, 01:00:53 PM
The 3 month ban is only the beginning.  Domestic oppression will inevitably lead to an increase in domestic terroristic acts.  Right now there are Muslims in Brooklyn taking ISIS more seriously and thinking that to support ISIS by committing acts of terror is a viable action.  They have relatives, friends and associates who are affected. I hope the NYPD has ears on Atlantic Ave.  Obama's sound policies have resulted in minimal terrorist activity over the last 8 years but, I promise you, Trumps policies will ratchet up terror.  And it will be blamed on Obama.

First of all it's not domestic oppression. The people already legally here aren't going anywhere. Second, you do realize that saying that moderate Muslims could be radicalized into committing terroristic acts because of this common sense procedure is the most Islamophobic thing you could say, right? If this causes Muslims to commit terrorist actions then they were never moderate to begin with. We can't prevent ourselves from making laws because terrorists may not like them. Weird how I never remember people saying we should outlaw abortion or else Christians would start blowing things up

Oklahoma City
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 01, 2017, 01:07:56 PM
There are plenty of dangerous of people that shouldn't be allowed in. There are also plenty of people, such as Bannon that don't deserve to be here. If we are going to change our policy significantly on who is allowed in, maybe we should also change our policy on who is allowed to stay. White people included. I know, hysterical, right? We have way too many, lazy useless white people. We could stand to do without the unemployed factory worker who has refused to adapt and is now addicted to meth, or something worse.

If you think your going to shock a misanthrope like myself by disdaining the common man you're going to be disappointed. I agree: there's too many people, of all shapes, colors, sizes and flavors. That's why I don't live in Scarsdale and take the Metro North. That's why I'd rather live in Topeka than Jamaica. Because people suck and there's too many of them and most of them smell bad and have poor hygiene and disgusting personal habits. So I live where they ain't.

As to who's dangerous and who isn't, why don't we ask Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. Let me know what you think:

"It would be nice," [KSM] said, if al Qaeda or like-minded Islamists could bring America to its knees with catastrophic attacks, but that was unlikely to happen; "not practical" is the wording he used. From his perspective, the long war for Islamic domination wasn't going to be won in the streets with bombs and bullets and bloodshed. No, it would be won in the minds of the American people.

He said the terror attacks were good, but the "practical" way to defeat America was through immigration and by outbreeding non-Muslims. He said jihadi-minded brothers would immigrate into the United States, taking advantage of the welfare system to support themselves while they spread their jihadi message. They will wrap themselves in America's rights and laws for protection, ratchet up acceptance of Sharia law, and then, only when they were strong enough, rise up and violently impose Sharia from within. He said the brothers would relentlessly continue their attacks and the American people eventually would become so tired, so frightened, and so weary of war that they would just want it to end.

"Eventually," KSM said, "America will expose her neck to us for slaughter."

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/911-mastermind-al-qaeda-favors-immigration-to-defeat-usa/article/2608083


Immigration isn't a problem. Your post is pointless. You should be more scared of nuts like Bannon, Sessions, oh and F*ckstick Von Cownstick. That's your guy? Captain Golden Showers. RIP America. Why worry about KSM when Trump has significantly more power? Who will the world consider to be the more dangerous terrorist in 6 months? What Trump will not be able to handle is that world leaders, not all of them, aren't the least bit afraid of him. Trump will push, and for the first time in his gold plated, silver spoon penthouse life, they will push back. I just hope they push back hard enough.

Jesus go lie down on the divan with some smelling salts, you sound like you're going to faint. Donald Trump is a game show host. He's as likely to commit a terrorist act as Wink Martindale.

He's already committing them. Look at these protests. The people aren't going to faint. They are angry. They are going to revolt.

They're already revolting.

Have you seen the people at Trump rallies?

You mean those salt of the earth patriots who love God and country? What about them?

They might get mad when they realize that their factories ain't coming back. Suckers. They fell for it. We should feel badly for them, but many won't because they helped create this. What will happen in a year when they realize that this nut just Tweets all day, and Cletus ain't never going back to that there Factory because there still ain't a factory and maybe just maybe therl never be one.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: goredmen on February 01, 2017, 01:11:40 PM
The 3 month ban is only the beginning.  Domestic oppression will inevitably lead to an increase in domestic terroristic acts.  Right now there are Muslims in Brooklyn taking ISIS more seriously and thinking that to support ISIS by committing acts of terror is a viable action.  They have relatives, friends and associates who are affected. I hope the NYPD has ears on Atlantic Ave.  Obama's sound policies have resulted in minimal terrorist activity over the last 8 years but, I promise you, Trumps policies will ratchet up terror.  And it will be blamed on Obama.

First of all it's not domestic oppression. The people already legally here aren't going anywhere. Second, you do realize that saying that moderate Muslims could be radicalized into committing terroristic acts because of this common sense procedure is the most Islamophobic thing you could say, right? If this causes Muslims to commit terrorist actions then they were never moderate to begin with. We can't prevent ourselves from making laws because terrorists may not like them. Weird how I never remember people saying we should outlaw abortion or else Christians would start blowing things up

Oklahoma City

Oklahoma City had nothing to do with abortion and that's not the point anyway. The point is we don't and shouldn't make or repeal laws just because they may lead to people who disagree with them to act out violently
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: stjohnnie75 on February 02, 2017, 08:08:34 AM
I for one have no problem with this current ban until things are sorted out. If you don't like drive your dumb ass to JFK and hold a sign in protest.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 02, 2017, 10:43:46 AM
I for one have no problem with this current ban until things are sorted out. If you don't like drive your dumb ass to JFK and hold a sign in protest.

Not everyone is smart like Donald Trump and Betsy DeVos. You've got a lot of confidence in your reality television star to "sort things out".
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 02, 2017, 11:03:38 AM
The 3 month ban is only the beginning.  Domestic oppression will inevitably lead to an increase in domestic terroristic acts.  Right now there are Muslims in Brooklyn taking ISIS more seriously and thinking that to support ISIS by committing acts of terror is a viable action.  They have relatives, friends and associates who are affected. I hope the NYPD has ears on Atlantic Ave.  Obama's sound policies have resulted in minimal terrorist activity over the last 8 years but, I promise you, Trumps policies will ratchet up terror.  And it will be blamed on Obama.

First of all it's not domestic oppression. The people already legally here aren't going anywhere. Second, you do realize that saying that moderate Muslims could be radicalized into committing terroristic acts because of this common sense procedure is the most Islamophobic thing you could say, right? If this causes Muslims to commit terrorist actions then they were never moderate to begin with. We can't prevent ourselves from making laws because terrorists may not like them. Weird how I never remember people saying we should outlaw abortion or else Christians would start blowing things up

Oklahoma City

Oklahoma City had nothing to do with abortion and that's not the point anyway. The point is we don't and shouldn't make or repeal laws just because they may lead to people who disagree with them to act out violently

Maybe we should make laws that treat all terrorists the way we treat the dark skinned ones? I'm fine with not allowing anyone from ISIS into our country, ever. I saw the 60 minutes on them that really lets you into their lives and shows you how they do things, and I still don't like them. They can't live here. We agree, yes? And with that, our new agreement to not let terrorists live in our country, its high time we gather up our white terrorists as well, and remove them. We have the KKK, the Arian nation, this Richard Spencer nut, and they're rights are protected only because they're white.

And to be clear, I'm not so much opposed to tightening our borders, as long as we are equally careful and objective in judging people from anywhere in the world should they want to live here. Stopping immigration from just 7 countries is showing your hand.

Our great negotiator is pretty bad at this.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Celtics11 on February 02, 2017, 01:18:14 PM
The 3 month ban is only the beginning.  Domestic oppression will inevitably lead to an increase in domestic terroristic acts.  Right now there are Muslims in Brooklyn taking ISIS more seriously and thinking that to support ISIS by committing acts of terror is a viable action.  They have relatives, friends and associates who are affected. I hope the NYPD has ears on Atlantic Ave.  Obama's sound policies have resulted in minimal terrorist activity over the last 8 years but, I promise you, Trumps policies will ratchet up terror.  And it will be blamed on Obama.

First of all it's not domestic oppression. The people already legally here aren't going anywhere. Second, you do realize that saying that moderate Muslims could be radicalized into committing terroristic acts because of this common sense procedure is the most Islamophobic thing you could say, right? If this causes Muslims to commit terrorist actions then they were never moderate to begin with. We can't prevent ourselves from making laws because terrorists may not like them. Weird how I never remember people saying we should outlaw abortion or else Christians would start blowing things up

Oklahoma City

Oklahoma City had nothing to do with abortion and that's not the point anyway. The point is we don't and shouldn't make or repeal laws just because they may lead to people who disagree with them to act out violently

Maybe we should make laws that treat all terrorists the way we treat the dark skinned ones? I'm fine with not allowing anyone from ISIS into our country, ever. I saw the 60 minutes on them that really lets you into their lives and shows you how they do things, and I still don't like them. They can't live here. We agree, yes? And with that, our new agreement to not let terrorists live in our country, its high time we gather up our white terrorists as well, and remove them. We have the KKK, the Arian nation, this Richard Spencer nut, and they're rights are protected only because they're white.

And to be clear, I'm not so much opposed to tightening our borders, as long as we are equally careful and objective in judging people from anywhere in the world should they want to live here. Stopping immigration from just 7 countries is showing your hand.

Our great negotiator is pretty bad at this.

You sound pretty radicalized. Should we be worried about you? Has the FBI been to your house lately? Is St. John's fandom just a front for your real agenda?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on February 02, 2017, 02:15:49 PM
Maybe we should make laws that treat all terrorists the way we treat the dark skinned ones? I'm fine with not allowing anyone from ISIS into our country, ever. I saw the 60 minutes on them that really lets you into their lives and shows you how they do things, and I still don't like them. They can't live here. We agree, yes? And with that, our new agreement to not let terrorists live in our country, its high time we gather up our white terrorists as well, and remove them. We have the KKK, the Arian nation, this Richard Spencer nut, and they're rights are protected only because they're white.

The KKK has rights because they're US citizens entitled to the full protections of the US Constitution. The constitution doesn't apply to Syrians.

Quote
And to be clear, I'm not so much opposed to tightening our borders, as long as we are equally careful and objective in judging people from anywhere in the world should they want to live here. Stopping immigration from just 7 countries is showing your hand.

There are one and half billion muslims in the world. Nine of the ten countries with the largest Muslim population comprising one billion Muslims - Indonesia, India, Pockiston, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Egypt, Turkey, Algeria, and Morocco - are not on the list. The only country in the top ten that is on the list is Iran, you know, the death to Satan country where they were handing out candy and dancing in the streets on 9-11.  If Trump was trying to stop Muslims qua Muslims from entering the country he certainly chose an odd way to go about it.

Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: goredmen on February 02, 2017, 02:26:09 PM
The 3 month ban is only the beginning.  Domestic oppression will inevitably lead to an increase in domestic terroristic acts.  Right now there are Muslims in Brooklyn taking ISIS more seriously and thinking that to support ISIS by committing acts of terror is a viable action.  They have relatives, friends and associates who are affected. I hope the NYPD has ears on Atlantic Ave.  Obama's sound policies have resulted in minimal terrorist activity over the last 8 years but, I promise you, Trumps policies will ratchet up terror.  And it will be blamed on Obama.

First of all it's not domestic oppression. The people already legally here aren't going anywhere. Second, you do realize that saying that moderate Muslims could be radicalized into committing terroristic acts because of this common sense procedure is the most Islamophobic thing you could say, right? If this causes Muslims to commit terrorist actions then they were never moderate to begin with. We can't prevent ourselves from making laws because terrorists may not like them. Weird how I never remember people saying we should outlaw abortion or else Christians would start blowing things up

Oklahoma City

Oklahoma City had nothing to do with abortion and that's not the point anyway. The point is we don't and shouldn't make or repeal laws just because they may lead to people who disagree with them to act out violently

Maybe we should make laws that treat all terrorists the way we treat the dark skinned ones? I'm fine with not allowing anyone from ISIS into our country, ever. I saw the 60 minutes on them that really lets you into their lives and shows you how they do things, and I still don't like them. They can't live here. We agree, yes? And with that, our new agreement to not let terrorists live in our country, its high time we gather up our white terrorists as well, and remove them. We have the KKK, the Arian nation, this Richard Spencer nut, and they're rights are protected only because they're white.

And to be clear, I'm not so much opposed to tightening our borders, as long as we are equally careful and objective in judging people from anywhere in the world should they want to live here. Stopping immigration from just 7 countries is showing your hand.

Our great negotiator is pretty bad at this.


As Foad mentioned in the post above, the reason the rights of groups like the KKK and other crazy white supremacy groups are protected is because they are US citizens, as would be the case for any "dark skinned" (as you put it not me) terrorists that are US citizens. Refugees coming into this country are not provided with those rights because they are not US citizens.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 02, 2017, 02:32:18 PM
Maybe we should make laws that treat all terrorists the way we treat the dark skinned ones? I'm fine with not allowing anyone from ISIS into our country, ever. I saw the 60 minutes on them that really lets you into their lives and shows you how they do things, and I still don't like them. They can't live here. We agree, yes? And with that, our new agreement to not let terrorists live in our country, its high time we gather up our white terrorists as well, and remove them. We have the KKK, the Arian nation, this Richard Spencer nut, and they're rights are protected only because they're white.

The KKK has rights because they're US citizens entitled to the full protections of the US Constitution. The constitution doesn't apply to Syrians.

Quote
And to be clear, I'm not so much opposed to tightening our borders, as long as we are equally careful and objective in judging people from anywhere in the world should they want to live here. Stopping immigration from just 7 countries is showing your hand.

There are one and half billion muslims in the world. Nine of the ten countries with the largest Muslim population comprising one billion Muslims - Indonesia, India, Pockiston, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Egypt, Turkey, Algeria, and Morocco - are not on the list. The only country in the top ten that is on the list is Iran, you know, the death to Satan country where they were handing out candy and dancing in the streets on 9-11.  If Trump was trying to stop Muslims qua Muslims from entering the country he certainly chose an odd way to go about it.


The constitution. Hysterical.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: goredmen on February 02, 2017, 02:37:58 PM
Maybe we should make laws that treat all terrorists the way we treat the dark skinned ones? I'm fine with not allowing anyone from ISIS into our country, ever. I saw the 60 minutes on them that really lets you into their lives and shows you how they do things, and I still don't like them. They can't live here. We agree, yes? And with that, our new agreement to not let terrorists live in our country, its high time we gather up our white terrorists as well, and remove them. We have the KKK, the Arian nation, this Richard Spencer nut, and they're rights are protected only because they're white.

The KKK has rights because they're US citizens entitled to the full protections of the US Constitution. The constitution doesn't apply to Syrians.

Quote
And to be clear, I'm not so much opposed to tightening our borders, as long as we are equally careful and objective in judging people from anywhere in the world should they want to live here. Stopping immigration from just 7 countries is showing your hand.

There are one and half billion muslims in the world. Nine of the ten countries with the largest Muslim population comprising one billion Muslims - Indonesia, India, Pockiston, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Egypt, Turkey, Algeria, and Morocco - are not on the list. The only country in the top ten that is on the list is Iran, you know, the death to Satan country where they were handing out candy and dancing in the streets on 9-11.  If Trump was trying to stop Muslims qua Muslims from entering the country he certainly chose an odd way to go about it.


The constitution. Hysterical.

Yes, nice to have a President that believes in it after the last 8 years, right
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: redstorm212 on February 02, 2017, 02:51:43 PM
Maybe we should make laws that treat all terrorists the way we treat the dark skinned ones? I'm fine with not allowing anyone from ISIS into our country, ever. I saw the 60 minutes on them that really lets you into their lives and shows you how they do things, and I still don't like them. They can't live here. We agree, yes? And with that, our new agreement to not let terrorists live in our country, its high time we gather up our white terrorists as well, and remove them. We have the KKK, the Arian nation, this Richard Spencer nut, and they're rights are protected only because they're white.

The KKK has rights because they're US citizens entitled to the full protections of the US Constitution. The constitution doesn't apply to Syrians.

Quote
And to be clear, I'm not so much opposed to tightening our borders, as long as we are equally careful and objective in judging people from anywhere in the world should they want to live here. Stopping immigration from just 7 countries is showing your hand.

There are one and half billion muslims in the world. Nine of the ten countries with the largest Muslim population comprising one billion Muslims - Indonesia, India, Pockiston, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Egypt, Turkey, Algeria, and Morocco - are not on the list. The only country in the top ten that is on the list is Iran, you know, the death to Satan country where they were handing out candy and dancing in the streets on 9-11.  If Trump was trying to stop Muslims qua Muslims from entering the country he certainly chose an odd way to go about it.


The constitution. Hysterical.

Yes, nice to have a President that believes in it after the last 8 years, right

Yeah I love the section in the Constitution about censoring the media and other agencies.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: apesNapes on February 02, 2017, 03:02:44 PM
Maybe we should make laws that treat all terrorists the way we treat the dark skinned ones? I'm fine with not allowing anyone from ISIS into our country, ever. I saw the 60 minutes on them that really lets you into their lives and shows you how they do things, and I still don't like them. They can't live here. We agree, yes? And with that, our new agreement to not let terrorists live in our country, its high time we gather up our white terrorists as well, and remove them. We have the KKK, the Arian nation, this Richard Spencer nut, and they're rights are protected only because they're white.

The KKK has rights because they're US citizens entitled to the full protections of the US Constitution. The constitution doesn't apply to Syrians.

Quote
And to be clear, I'm not so much opposed to tightening our borders, as long as we are equally careful and objective in judging people from anywhere in the world should they want to live here. Stopping immigration from just 7 countries is showing your hand.

There are one and half billion muslims in the world. Nine of the ten countries with the largest Muslim population comprising one billion Muslims - Indonesia, India, Pockiston, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Egypt, Turkey, Algeria, and Morocco - are not on the list. The only country in the top ten that is on the list is Iran, you know, the death to Satan country where they were handing out candy and dancing in the streets on 9-11.  If Trump was trying to stop Muslims qua Muslims from entering the country he certainly chose an odd way to go about it.


The constitution. Hysterical.

Yes, nice to have a President that believes in it after the last 8 years, right

Yeah I love the section in the Constitution about censoring the media and other agencies.
it's right next to the part where corporations are people and the constitution only applies to citizens
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on February 02, 2017, 03:20:34 PM
Maybe we should make laws that treat all terrorists the way we treat the dark skinned ones? I'm fine with not allowing anyone from ISIS into our country, ever. I saw the 60 minutes on them that really lets you into their lives and shows you how they do things, and I still don't like them. They can't live here. We agree, yes? And with that, our new agreement to not let terrorists live in our country, its high time we gather up our white terrorists as well, and remove them. We have the KKK, the Arian nation, this Richard Spencer nut, and they're rights are protected only because they're white.

The KKK has rights because they're US citizens entitled to the full protections of the US Constitution. The constitution doesn't apply to Syrians.

Quote
And to be clear, I'm not so much opposed to tightening our borders, as long as we are equally careful and objective in judging people from anywhere in the world should they want to live here. Stopping immigration from just 7 countries is showing your hand.

There are one and half billion muslims in the world. Nine of the ten countries with the largest Muslim population comprising one billion Muslims - Indonesia, India, Pockiston, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Egypt, Turkey, Algeria, and Morocco - are not on the list. The only country in the top ten that is on the list is Iran, you know, the death to Satan country where they were handing out candy and dancing in the streets on 9-11.  If Trump was trying to stop Muslims qua Muslims from entering the country he certainly chose an odd way to go about it.


The constitution. Hysterical.

Yeah I know that as incipient fascists liberals don't care about rights and liberties, but I do.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on February 02, 2017, 03:21:35 PM
Maybe we should make laws that treat all terrorists the way we treat the dark skinned ones? I'm fine with not allowing anyone from ISIS into our country, ever. I saw the 60 minutes on them that really lets you into their lives and shows you how they do things, and I still don't like them. They can't live here. We agree, yes? And with that, our new agreement to not let terrorists live in our country, its high time we gather up our white terrorists as well, and remove them. We have the KKK, the Arian nation, this Richard Spencer nut, and they're rights are protected only because they're white.

The KKK has rights because they're US citizens entitled to the full protections of the US Constitution. The constitution doesn't apply to Syrians.

Quote
And to be clear, I'm not so much opposed to tightening our borders, as long as we are equally careful and objective in judging people from anywhere in the world should they want to live here. Stopping immigration from just 7 countries is showing your hand.

There are one and half billion muslims in the world. Nine of the ten countries with the largest Muslim population comprising one billion Muslims - Indonesia, India, Pockiston, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Egypt, Turkey, Algeria, and Morocco - are not on the list. The only country in the top ten that is on the list is Iran, you know, the death to Satan country where they were handing out candy and dancing in the streets on 9-11.  If Trump was trying to stop Muslims qua Muslims from entering the country he certainly chose an odd way to go about it.


The constitution. Hysterical.

Yes, nice to have a President that believes in it after the last 8 years, right

Yeah I love the section in the Constitution about censoring the media and other agencies.

Name a couple of instances of censorship that have taken place in the last ten days. I'll wait.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on February 02, 2017, 03:25:16 PM
Maybe we should make laws that treat all terrorists the way we treat the dark skinned ones? I'm fine with not allowing anyone from ISIS into our country, ever. I saw the 60 minutes on them that really lets you into their lives and shows you how they do things, and I still don't like them. They can't live here. We agree, yes? And with that, our new agreement to not let terrorists live in our country, its high time we gather up our white terrorists as well, and remove them. We have the KKK, the Arian nation, this Richard Spencer nut, and they're rights are protected only because they're white.

The KKK has rights because they're US citizens entitled to the full protections of the US Constitution. The constitution doesn't apply to Syrians.

Quote
And to be clear, I'm not so much opposed to tightening our borders, as long as we are equally careful and objective in judging people from anywhere in the world should they want to live here. Stopping immigration from just 7 countries is showing your hand.

There are one and half billion muslims in the world. Nine of the ten countries with the largest Muslim population comprising one billion Muslims - Indonesia, India, Pockiston, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Egypt, Turkey, Algeria, and Morocco - are not on the list. The only country in the top ten that is on the list is Iran, you know, the death to Satan country where they were handing out candy and dancing in the streets on 9-11.  If Trump was trying to stop Muslims qua Muslims from entering the country he certainly chose an odd way to go about it.


The constitution. Hysterical.

Yes, nice to have a President that believes in it after the last 8 years, right

Yeah I love the section in the Constitution about censoring the media and other agencies.
it's right next to the part where corporations are people and the constitution only applies to citizens

Do you think people in Syrian citizens living in Syria have rights under the US constitution? Because I'm pretty sure they don't.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: apesNapes on February 02, 2017, 04:24:07 PM
Maybe we should make laws that treat all terrorists the way we treat the dark skinned ones? I'm fine with not allowing anyone from ISIS into our country, ever. I saw the 60 minutes on them that really lets you into their lives and shows you how they do things, and I still don't like them. They can't live here. We agree, yes? And with that, our new agreement to not let terrorists live in our country, its high time we gather up our white terrorists as well, and remove them. We have the KKK, the Arian nation, this Richard Spencer nut, and they're rights are protected only because they're white.

The KKK has rights because they're US citizens entitled to the full protections of the US Constitution. The constitution doesn't apply to Syrians.

Quote
And to be clear, I'm not so much opposed to tightening our borders, as long as we are equally careful and objective in judging people from anywhere in the world should they want to live here. Stopping immigration from just 7 countries is showing your hand.

There are one and half billion muslims in the world. Nine of the ten countries with the largest Muslim population comprising one billion Muslims - Indonesia, India, Pockiston, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Egypt, Turkey, Algeria, and Morocco - are not on the list. The only country in the top ten that is on the list is Iran, you know, the death to Satan country where they were handing out candy and dancing in the streets on 9-11.  If Trump was trying to stop Muslims qua Muslims from entering the country he certainly chose an odd way to go about it.


The constitution. Hysterical.

Yes, nice to have a President that believes in it after the last 8 years, right

Yeah I love the section in the Constitution about censoring the media and other agencies.
it's right next to the part where corporations are people and the constitution only applies to citizens

Do you think people in Syrian citizens living in Syria have rights under the US constitution? Because I'm pretty sure they don't.
loaded question, fetuses are not people
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 02, 2017, 04:39:44 PM
Maybe we should make laws that treat all terrorists the way we treat the dark skinned ones? I'm fine with not allowing anyone from ISIS into our country, ever. I saw the 60 minutes on them that really lets you into their lives and shows you how they do things, and I still don't like them. They can't live here. We agree, yes? And with that, our new agreement to not let terrorists live in our country, its high time we gather up our white terrorists as well, and remove them. We have the KKK, the Arian nation, this Richard Spencer nut, and they're rights are protected only because they're white.

The KKK has rights because they're US citizens entitled to the full protections of the US Constitution. The constitution doesn't apply to Syrians.

Quote
And to be clear, I'm not so much opposed to tightening our borders, as long as we are equally careful and objective in judging people from anywhere in the world should they want to live here. Stopping immigration from just 7 countries is showing your hand.

There are one and half billion muslims in the world. Nine of the ten countries with the largest Muslim population comprising one billion Muslims - Indonesia, India, Pockiston, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Egypt, Turkey, Algeria, and Morocco - are not on the list. The only country in the top ten that is on the list is Iran, you know, the death to Satan country where they were handing out candy and dancing in the streets on 9-11.  If Trump was trying to stop Muslims qua Muslims from entering the country he certainly chose an odd way to go about it.


The constitution. Hysterical.

Yes, nice to have a President that believes in it after the last 8 years, right

Yeah I love the section in the Constitution about censoring the media and other agencies.
it's right next to the part where corporations are people and the constitution only applies to citizens

Do you think people in Syrian citizens living in Syria have rights under the US constitution? Because I'm pretty sure they don't.

What do you think, if any, is the responsibility of the American government in terms of cleaning a mess that they've made? We kill thousands of people because of a WMD threat, and it turns out that we're wrong. Is an oops gonna cut it?

We've gone from relying on some in Iraq to risk their lives helping us fight a war that had no business starting to now telling all of them you're dead to me.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: fuchsia on February 02, 2017, 04:41:02 PM
There are so many straw men being tortured in this thread that all over America scarecrows are dying.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 02, 2017, 04:41:39 PM
Maybe we should make laws that treat all terrorists the way we treat the dark skinned ones? I'm fine with not allowing anyone from ISIS into our country, ever. I saw the 60 minutes on them that really lets you into their lives and shows you how they do things, and I still don't like them. They can't live here. We agree, yes? And with that, our new agreement to not let terrorists live in our country, its high time we gather up our white terrorists as well, and remove them. We have the KKK, the Arian nation, this Richard Spencer nut, and they're rights are protected only because they're white.

The KKK has rights because they're US citizens entitled to the full protections of the US Constitution. The constitution doesn't apply to Syrians.

Quote
And to be clear, I'm not so much opposed to tightening our borders, as long as we are equally careful and objective in judging people from anywhere in the world should they want to live here. Stopping immigration from just 7 countries is showing your hand.

There are one and half billion muslims in the world. Nine of the ten countries with the largest Muslim population comprising one billion Muslims - Indonesia, India, Pockiston, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Egypt, Turkey, Algeria, and Morocco - are not on the list. The only country in the top ten that is on the list is Iran, you know, the death to Satan country where they were handing out candy and dancing in the streets on 9-11.  If Trump was trying to stop Muslims qua Muslims from entering the country he certainly chose an odd way to go about it.


The constitution. Hysterical.

Yes, nice to have a President that believes in it after the last 8 years, right

Yeah I love the section in the Constitution about censoring the media and other agencies.

Name a couple of instances of censorship that have taken place in the last ten days. I'll wait.

No reason to believe that Trump will not censor journalists because he said he would.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 02, 2017, 04:43:10 PM
There are so many straw men being tortured in this thread that all over America scarecrows are dying.

Who is softer than Trump? Seriously, name any human? He's the biggest wimp on the planet.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: goredmen on February 02, 2017, 05:17:47 PM
Maybe we should make laws that treat all terrorists the way we treat the dark skinned ones? I'm fine with not allowing anyone from ISIS into our country, ever. I saw the 60 minutes on them that really lets you into their lives and shows you how they do things, and I still don't like them. They can't live here. We agree, yes? And with that, our new agreement to not let terrorists live in our country, its high time we gather up our white terrorists as well, and remove them. We have the KKK, the Arian nation, this Richard Spencer nut, and they're rights are protected only because they're white.

The KKK has rights because they're US citizens entitled to the full protections of the US Constitution. The constitution doesn't apply to Syrians.

Quote
And to be clear, I'm not so much opposed to tightening our borders, as long as we are equally careful and objective in judging people from anywhere in the world should they want to live here. Stopping immigration from just 7 countries is showing your hand.

There are one and half billion muslims in the world. Nine of the ten countries with the largest Muslim population comprising one billion Muslims - Indonesia, India, Pockiston, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Egypt, Turkey, Algeria, and Morocco - are not on the list. The only country in the top ten that is on the list is Iran, you know, the death to Satan country where they were handing out candy and dancing in the streets on 9-11.  If Trump was trying to stop Muslims qua Muslims from entering the country he certainly chose an odd way to go about it.


The constitution. Hysterical.

Yes, nice to have a President that believes in it after the last 8 years, right

Yeah I love the section in the Constitution about censoring the media and other agencies.

Name a couple of instances of censorship that have taken place in the last ten days. I'll wait.

No reason to believe that Trump will not censor journalists because he said he would.

I don't think you know what the word censor means
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on February 02, 2017, 05:28:29 PM
Maybe we should make laws that treat all terrorists the way we treat the dark skinned ones? I'm fine with not allowing anyone from ISIS into our country, ever. I saw the 60 minutes on them that really lets you into their lives and shows you how they do things, and I still don't like them. They can't live here. We agree, yes? And with that, our new agreement to not let terrorists live in our country, its high time we gather up our white terrorists as well, and remove them. We have the KKK, the Arian nation, this Richard Spencer nut, and they're rights are protected only because they're white.

The KKK has rights because they're US citizens entitled to the full protections of the US Constitution. The constitution doesn't apply to Syrians.

Quote
And to be clear, I'm not so much opposed to tightening our borders, as long as we are equally careful and objective in judging people from anywhere in the world should they want to live here. Stopping immigration from just 7 countries is showing your hand.

There are one and half billion muslims in the world. Nine of the ten countries with the largest Muslim population comprising one billion Muslims - Indonesia, India, Pockiston, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Egypt, Turkey, Algeria, and Morocco - are not on the list. The only country in the top ten that is on the list is Iran, you know, the death to Satan country where they were handing out candy and dancing in the streets on 9-11.  If Trump was trying to stop Muslims qua Muslims from entering the country he certainly chose an odd way to go about it.


The constitution. Hysterical.

Yes, nice to have a President that believes in it after the last 8 years, right

Yeah I love the section in the Constitution about censoring the media and other agencies.
it's right next to the part where corporations are people and the constitution only applies to citizens

Do you think people in Syrian citizens living in Syria have rights under the US constitution? Because I'm pretty sure they don't.
loaded question, fetuses are not people

Non sequitur of the year and its only February.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on February 02, 2017, 05:32:12 PM
What do you think, if any, is the responsibility of the American government in terms of cleaning a mess that they've made? We kill thousands of people because of a WMD threat, and it turns out that we're wrong. Is an oops gonna cut it?

We've gone from relying on some in Iraq to risk their lives helping us fight a war that had no business starting to now telling all of them you're dead to me.

Jugears and Clinton certainly made a mess of Syria, I'll give you that.

We're only telling them that they're dead to us for three months. Then after that they come back to life. Reanimation seems like a pretty sweet deal.

Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on February 02, 2017, 05:33:06 PM
There are so many straw men being tortured in this thread that all over America scarecrows are dying.

Who is softer than Trump? Seriously, name any human? He's the biggest wimp on the planet.

Nurideen Lindsey. He's a sissy.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: braintrust on February 02, 2017, 06:36:04 PM
Didn't someone refer to Sima as a sissy? Who is softer, Sima or Trump?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 02, 2017, 07:02:37 PM
Didn't someone refer to Sima as a sissy? Who is softer, Sima or Trump?

Sima would beat Trump into a coma.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 02, 2017, 07:04:02 PM
There are so many straw men being tortured in this thread that all over America scarecrows are dying.

Who is softer than Trump? Seriously, name any human? He's the biggest wimp on the planet.

Nurideen Lindsey. He's a sissy.

Fair enough. Both of them lose their shit with the slightest bit of criticism. Men they are not.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 02, 2017, 07:06:17 PM
Maybe we should make laws that treat all terrorists the way we treat the dark skinned ones? I'm fine with not allowing anyone from ISIS into our country, ever. I saw the 60 minutes on them that really lets you into their lives and shows you how they do things, and I still don't like them. They can't live here. We agree, yes? And with that, our new agreement to not let terrorists live in our country, its high time we gather up our white terrorists as well, and remove them. We have the KKK, the Arian nation, this Richard Spencer nut, and they're rights are protected only because they're white.

The KKK has rights because they're US citizens entitled to the full protections of the US Constitution. The constitution doesn't apply to Syrians.

Quote
And to be clear, I'm not so much opposed to tightening our borders, as long as we are equally careful and objective in judging people from anywhere in the world should they want to live here. Stopping immigration from just 7 countries is showing your hand.

There are one and half billion muslims in the world. Nine of the ten countries with the largest Muslim population comprising one billion Muslims - Indonesia, India, Pockiston, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Egypt, Turkey, Algeria, and Morocco - are not on the list. The only country in the top ten that is on the list is Iran, you know, the death to Satan country where they were handing out candy and dancing in the streets on 9-11.  If Trump was trying to stop Muslims qua Muslims from entering the country he certainly chose an odd way to go about it.


The constitution. Hysterical.

Yes, nice to have a President that believes in it after the last 8 years, right

Yeah I love the section in the Constitution about censoring the media and other agencies.

Name a couple of instances of censorship that have taken place in the last ten days. I'll wait.

No reason to believe that Trump will not censor journalists because he said he would.

I don't think you know what the word censor means

Yes, I wish I had the vocabulary of a Republican. Like the literary wordsmiths in our new special needs cabinet.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: apesNapes on February 02, 2017, 07:39:11 PM
Maybe we should make laws that treat all terrorists the way we treat the dark skinned ones? I'm fine with not allowing anyone from ISIS into our country, ever. I saw the 60 minutes on them that really lets you into their lives and shows you how they do things, and I still don't like them. They can't live here. We agree, yes? And with that, our new agreement to not let terrorists live in our country, its high time we gather up our white terrorists as well, and remove them. We have the KKK, the Arian nation, this Richard Spencer nut, and they're rights are protected only because they're white.

The KKK has rights because they're US citizens entitled to the full protections of the US Constitution. The constitution doesn't apply to Syrians.

Quote
And to be clear, I'm not so much opposed to tightening our borders, as long as we are equally careful and objective in judging people from anywhere in the world should they want to live here. Stopping immigration from just 7 countries is showing your hand.

There are one and half billion muslims in the world. Nine of the ten countries with the largest Muslim population comprising one billion Muslims - Indonesia, India, Pockiston, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Egypt, Turkey, Algeria, and Morocco - are not on the list. The only country in the top ten that is on the list is Iran, you know, the death to Satan country where they were handing out candy and dancing in the streets on 9-11.  If Trump was trying to stop Muslims qua Muslims from entering the country he certainly chose an odd way to go about it.


The constitution. Hysterical.

Yes, nice to have a President that believes in it after the last 8 years, right

Yeah I love the section in the Constitution about censoring the media and other agencies.
it's right next to the part where corporations are people and the constitution only applies to citizens

Do you think people in Syrian citizens living in Syria have rights under the US constitution? Because I'm pretty sure they don't.
loaded question, fetuses are not people

Non sequitur of the year and its only February.
That's what I thought too
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: goredmen on February 02, 2017, 08:37:58 PM
Maybe we should make laws that treat all terrorists the way we treat the dark skinned ones? I'm fine with not allowing anyone from ISIS into our country, ever. I saw the 60 minutes on them that really lets you into their lives and shows you how they do things, and I still don't like them. They can't live here. We agree, yes? And with that, our new agreement to not let terrorists live in our country, its high time we gather up our white terrorists as well, and remove them. We have the KKK, the Arian nation, this Richard Spencer nut, and they're rights are protected only because they're white.

The KKK has rights because they're US citizens entitled to the full protections of the US Constitution. The constitution doesn't apply to Syrians.

Quote
And to be clear, I'm not so much opposed to tightening our borders, as long as we are equally careful and objective in judging people from anywhere in the world should they want to live here. Stopping immigration from just 7 countries is showing your hand.

There are one and half billion muslims in the world. Nine of the ten countries with the largest Muslim population comprising one billion Muslims - Indonesia, India, Pockiston, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Egypt, Turkey, Algeria, and Morocco - are not on the list. The only country in the top ten that is on the list is Iran, you know, the death to Satan country where they were handing out candy and dancing in the streets on 9-11.  If Trump was trying to stop Muslims qua Muslims from entering the country he certainly chose an odd way to go about it.


The constitution. Hysterical.

Yes, nice to have a President that believes in it after the last 8 years, right

Yeah I love the section in the Constitution about censoring the media and other agencies.

Name a couple of instances of censorship that have taken place in the last ten days. I'll wait.

No reason to believe that Trump will not censor journalists because he said he would.

I don't think you know what the word censor means

Yes, I wish I had the vocabulary of a Republican. Like the literary wordsmiths in our new special needs cabinet.

Well, none of them said they are going censor any journalists, but those lunatics at Cal burn their own campus to the ground and assault people because somebody they disagree with was going to give a speech and hurt them with words. Talk about Trump being soft...
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 02, 2017, 09:27:45 PM
Maybe we should make laws that treat all terrorists the way we treat the dark skinned ones? I'm fine with not allowing anyone from ISIS into our country, ever. I saw the 60 minutes on them that really lets you into their lives and shows you how they do things, and I still don't like them. They can't live here. We agree, yes? And with that, our new agreement to not let terrorists live in our country, its high time we gather up our white terrorists as well, and remove them. We have the KKK, the Arian nation, this Richard Spencer nut, and they're rights are protected only because they're white.

The KKK has rights because they're US citizens entitled to the full protections of the US Constitution. The constitution doesn't apply to Syrians.

Quote
And to be clear, I'm not so much opposed to tightening our borders, as long as we are equally careful and objective in judging people from anywhere in the world should they want to live here. Stopping immigration from just 7 countries is showing your hand.

There are one and half billion muslims in the world. Nine of the ten countries with the largest Muslim population comprising one billion Muslims - Indonesia, India, Pockiston, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Egypt, Turkey, Algeria, and Morocco - are not on the list. The only country in the top ten that is on the list is Iran, you know, the death to Satan country where they were handing out candy and dancing in the streets on 9-11.  If Trump was trying to stop Muslims qua Muslims from entering the country he certainly chose an odd way to go about it.


The constitution. Hysterical.

Yes, nice to have a President that believes in it after the last 8 years, right

Yeah I love the section in the Constitution about censoring the media and other agencies.

Name a couple of instances of censorship that have taken place in the last ten days. I'll wait.

No reason to believe that Trump will not censor journalists because he said he would.

I don't think you know what the word censor means

Yes, I wish I had the vocabulary of a Republican. Like the literary wordsmiths in our new special needs cabinet.

Well, none of them said they are going censor any journalists, but those lunatics at Cal burn their own campus to the ground and assault people because somebody they disagree with was going to give a speech and hurt them with words. Talk about Trump being soft...

Bannon said it. Happy with that Nazi, or do you realize what he is, and what he wants to do? 

This Republican Party has no place at Universities. I don't agree with any violent protest, but if they show up where they are not welcome, you can't be surprised by the reaction, which still didn't kill anyone. But hey, it's been two weeks. Give the resistance some time to get organized before they make their move to take our country back from this disease of a cabinet.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: goredmen on February 02, 2017, 09:49:02 PM
Maybe we should make laws that treat all terrorists the way we treat the dark skinned ones? I'm fine with not allowing anyone from ISIS into our country, ever. I saw the 60 minutes on them that really lets you into their lives and shows you how they do things, and I still don't like them. They can't live here. We agree, yes? And with that, our new agreement to not let terrorists live in our country, its high time we gather up our white terrorists as well, and remove them. We have the KKK, the Arian nation, this Richard Spencer nut, and they're rights are protected only because they're white.

The KKK has rights because they're US citizens entitled to the full protections of the US Constitution. The constitution doesn't apply to Syrians.

Quote
And to be clear, I'm not so much opposed to tightening our borders, as long as we are equally careful and objective in judging people from anywhere in the world should they want to live here. Stopping immigration from just 7 countries is showing your hand.

There are one and half billion muslims in the world. Nine of the ten countries with the largest Muslim population comprising one billion Muslims - Indonesia, India, Pockiston, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Egypt, Turkey, Algeria, and Morocco - are not on the list. The only country in the top ten that is on the list is Iran, you know, the death to Satan country where they were handing out candy and dancing in the streets on 9-11.  If Trump was trying to stop Muslims qua Muslims from entering the country he certainly chose an odd way to go about it.


The constitution. Hysterical.

Yes, nice to have a President that believes in it after the last 8 years, right

Yeah I love the section in the Constitution about censoring the media and other agencies.

Name a couple of instances of censorship that have taken place in the last ten days. I'll wait.

No reason to believe that Trump will not censor journalists because he said he would.

I don't think you know what the word censor means

Yes, I wish I had the vocabulary of a Republican. Like the literary wordsmiths in our new special needs cabinet.

Well, none of them said they are going censor any journalists, but those lunatics at Cal burn their own campus to the ground and assault people because somebody they disagree with was going to give a speech and hurt them with words. Talk about Trump being soft...

Bannon said it. Happy with that Nazi, or do you realize what he is, and what he wants to do? 

This Republican Party has no place at Universities. I don't agree with any violent protest, but if they show up where they are not welcome, you can't be surprised by the reaction, which still didn't kill anyone. But hey, it's been two weeks. Give the resistance some time to get organized before they make their move to take our country back from this disease of a cabinet.

"This Republican Party has no place at Universities". So instead of discussing ideas like adults, just keep all Republicans off of college campuses. So what you're saying is to censor them and take away their free speech after saying that's what Trump wants to do to the left. You said that since Republicans were assaulted but not killed it's ok and to be expected. But Trump is the fascist? And then it sounds like you are advocating for a violent overthrow of the current government. Interesting.

The people already took back the government on November 8th. If the election was held again today, Trump would win again.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 02, 2017, 09:57:51 PM
Maybe we should make laws that treat all terrorists the way we treat the dark skinned ones? I'm fine with not allowing anyone from ISIS into our country, ever. I saw the 60 minutes on them that really lets you into their lives and shows you how they do things, and I still don't like them. They can't live here. We agree, yes? And with that, our new agreement to not let terrorists live in our country, its high time we gather up our white terrorists as well, and remove them. We have the KKK, the Arian nation, this Richard Spencer nut, and they're rights are protected only because they're white.

The KKK has rights because they're US citizens entitled to the full protections of the US Constitution. The constitution doesn't apply to Syrians.

Quote
And to be clear, I'm not so much opposed to tightening our borders, as long as we are equally careful and objective in judging people from anywhere in the world should they want to live here. Stopping immigration from just 7 countries is showing your hand.

There are one and half billion muslims in the world. Nine of the ten countries with the largest Muslim population comprising one billion Muslims - Indonesia, India, Pockiston, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Egypt, Turkey, Algeria, and Morocco - are not on the list. The only country in the top ten that is on the list is Iran, you know, the death to Satan country where they were handing out candy and dancing in the streets on 9-11.  If Trump was trying to stop Muslims qua Muslims from entering the country he certainly chose an odd way to go about it.


The constitution. Hysterical.

Yes, nice to have a President that believes in it after the last 8 years, right

Yeah I love the section in the Constitution about censoring the media and other agencies.

Name a couple of instances of censorship that have taken place in the last ten days. I'll wait.

No reason to believe that Trump will not censor journalists because he said he would.

I don't think you know what the word censor means

Yes, I wish I had the vocabulary of a Republican. Like the literary wordsmiths in our new special needs cabinet.

Well, none of them said they are going censor any journalists, but those lunatics at Cal burn their own campus to the ground and assault people because somebody they disagree with was going to give a speech and hurt them with words. Talk about Trump being soft...

Bannon said it. Happy with that Nazi, or do you realize what he is, and what he wants to do? 

This Republican Party has no place at Universities. I don't agree with any violent protest, but if they show up where they are not welcome, you can't be surprised by the reaction, which still didn't kill anyone. But hey, it's been two weeks. Give the resistance some time to get organized before they make their move to take our country back from this disease of a cabinet.

"This Republican Party has no place at Universities". So instead of discussing ideas like adults, just keep all Republicans off of college campuses. So what you're saying is to censor them and take away their free speech after saying that's what Trump wants to do to the left. You said that since Republicans were assaulted but not killed it's ok and to be expected. But Trump is the fascist? And then it sounds like you are advocating for a violent overthrow of the current government. Interesting.

The people already took back the government on November 8th. If the election was held again today, Trump would win again.

Right, adult like Donald Trump. Give me a break. He'll get what he deserves.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Celtics11 on February 02, 2017, 10:02:02 PM
They say if we live in fear the terrorists have won. I say if you engage Poison, Poison has won.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: goredmen on February 02, 2017, 10:03:05 PM
Maybe we should make laws that treat all terrorists the way we treat the dark skinned ones? I'm fine with not allowing anyone from ISIS into our country, ever. I saw the 60 minutes on them that really lets you into their lives and shows you how they do things, and I still don't like them. They can't live here. We agree, yes? And with that, our new agreement to not let terrorists live in our country, its high time we gather up our white terrorists as well, and remove them. We have the KKK, the Arian nation, this Richard Spencer nut, and they're rights are protected only because they're white.

The KKK has rights because they're US citizens entitled to the full protections of the US Constitution. The constitution doesn't apply to Syrians.

Quote
And to be clear, I'm not so much opposed to tightening our borders, as long as we are equally careful and objective in judging people from anywhere in the world should they want to live here. Stopping immigration from just 7 countries is showing your hand.

There are one and half billion muslims in the world. Nine of the ten countries with the largest Muslim population comprising one billion Muslims - Indonesia, India, Pockiston, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Egypt, Turkey, Algeria, and Morocco - are not on the list. The only country in the top ten that is on the list is Iran, you know, the death to Satan country where they were handing out candy and dancing in the streets on 9-11.  If Trump was trying to stop Muslims qua Muslims from entering the country he certainly chose an odd way to go about it.


The constitution. Hysterical.

Yes, nice to have a President that believes in it after the last 8 years, right

Yeah I love the section in the Constitution about censoring the media and other agencies.

Name a couple of instances of censorship that have taken place in the last ten days. I'll wait.

No reason to believe that Trump will not censor journalists because he said he would.

I don't think you know what the word censor means

Yes, I wish I had the vocabulary of a Republican. Like the literary wordsmiths in our new special needs cabinet.

Well, none of them said they are going censor any journalists, but those lunatics at Cal burn their own campus to the ground and assault people because somebody they disagree with was going to give a speech and hurt them with words. Talk about Trump being soft...

Bannon said it. Happy with that Nazi, or do you realize what he is, and what he wants to do? 

This Republican Party has no place at Universities. I don't agree with any violent protest, but if they show up where they are not welcome, you can't be surprised by the reaction, which still didn't kill anyone. But hey, it's been two weeks. Give the resistance some time to get organized before they make their move to take our country back from this disease of a cabinet.

"This Republican Party has no place at Universities". So instead of discussing ideas like adults, just keep all Republicans off of college campuses. So what you're saying is to censor them and take away their free speech after saying that's what Trump wants to do to the left. You said that since Republicans were assaulted but not killed it's ok and to be expected. But Trump is the fascist? And then it sounds like you are advocating for a violent overthrow of the current government. Interesting.

The people already took back the government on November 8th. If the election was held again today, Trump would win again.

Right, adult like Donald Trump. Give me a break. He'll get what he deserves.

Glad you didn't deny that you are the real fascist in this situation. That's a start at least
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: goredmen on February 02, 2017, 10:03:30 PM
They say if we live in fear the terrorists have won. I say if you engage Poison, Poison has won.

More like exposing in this case
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: redstorm212 on February 02, 2017, 10:11:48 PM
Maybe we should make laws that treat all terrorists the way we treat the dark skinned ones? I'm fine with not allowing anyone from ISIS into our country, ever. I saw the 60 minutes on them that really lets you into their lives and shows you how they do things, and I still don't like them. They can't live here. We agree, yes? And with that, our new agreement to not let terrorists live in our country, its high time we gather up our white terrorists as well, and remove them. We have the KKK, the Arian nation, this Richard Spencer nut, and they're rights are protected only because they're white.

The KKK has rights because they're US citizens entitled to the full protections of the US Constitution. The constitution doesn't apply to Syrians.

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And to be clear, I'm not so much opposed to tightening our borders, as long as we are equally careful and objective in judging people from anywhere in the world should they want to live here. Stopping immigration from just 7 countries is showing your hand.

There are one and half billion muslims in the world. Nine of the ten countries with the largest Muslim population comprising one billion Muslims - Indonesia, India, Pockiston, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Egypt, Turkey, Algeria, and Morocco - are not on the list. The only country in the top ten that is on the list is Iran, you know, the death to Satan country where they were handing out candy and dancing in the streets on 9-11.  If Trump was trying to stop Muslims qua Muslims from entering the country he certainly chose an odd way to go about it.


The constitution. Hysterical.

Yes, nice to have a President that believes in it after the last 8 years, right

Yeah I love the section in the Constitution about censoring the media and other agencies.

Name a couple of instances of censorship that have taken place in the last ten days. I'll wait.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-gag-us-government-scientists-environment-stop-speaking-public-tweeting-twitter-climate-a7544971.html

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/21/politics/trump-national-park-service-tweets/
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Celtics11 on February 02, 2017, 10:22:38 PM
In the side article about the Muslim woman confronting the speaker at Cal Berkley-maybe she feels that way but you know non Muslim women in this country and in most other countries would not accept that kind of treatment treatment.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 02, 2017, 10:26:06 PM
They say if we live in fear the terrorists have won. I say if you engage Poison, Poison has won.

Poison always wins, but I'd prefer some real competition.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 02, 2017, 10:28:27 PM
Maybe we should make laws that treat all terrorists the way we treat the dark skinned ones? I'm fine with not allowing anyone from ISIS into our country, ever. I saw the 60 minutes on them that really lets you into their lives and shows you how they do things, and I still don't like them. They can't live here. We agree, yes? And with that, our new agreement to not let terrorists live in our country, its high time we gather up our white terrorists as well, and remove them. We have the KKK, the Arian nation, this Richard Spencer nut, and they're rights are protected only because they're white.

The KKK has rights because they're US citizens entitled to the full protections of the US Constitution. The constitution doesn't apply to Syrians.

Quote
And to be clear, I'm not so much opposed to tightening our borders, as long as we are equally careful and objective in judging people from anywhere in the world should they want to live here. Stopping immigration from just 7 countries is showing your hand.

There are one and half billion muslims in the world. Nine of the ten countries with the largest Muslim population comprising one billion Muslims - Indonesia, India, Pockiston, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Egypt, Turkey, Algeria, and Morocco - are not on the list. The only country in the top ten that is on the list is Iran, you know, the death to Satan country where they were handing out candy and dancing in the streets on 9-11.  If Trump was trying to stop Muslims qua Muslims from entering the country he certainly chose an odd way to go about it.


The constitution. Hysterical.

Yes, nice to have a President that believes in it after the last 8 years, right

Yeah I love the section in the Constitution about censoring the media and other agencies.

Name a couple of instances of censorship that have taken place in the last ten days. I'll wait.

No reason to believe that Trump will not censor journalists because he said he would.

I don't think you know what the word censor means

Yes, I wish I had the vocabulary of a Republican. Like the literary wordsmiths in our new special needs cabinet.

Well, none of them said they are going censor any journalists, but those lunatics at Cal burn their own campus to the ground and assault people because somebody they disagree with was going to give a speech and hurt them with words. Talk about Trump being soft...

Bannon said it. Happy with that Nazi, or do you realize what he is, and what he wants to do? 

This Republican Party has no place at Universities. I don't agree with any violent protest, but if they show up where they are not welcome, you can't be surprised by the reaction, which still didn't kill anyone. But hey, it's been two weeks. Give the resistance some time to get organized before they make their move to take our country back from this disease of a cabinet.

"This Republican Party has no place at Universities". So instead of discussing ideas like adults, just keep all Republicans off of college campuses. So what you're saying is to censor them and take away their free speech after saying that's what Trump wants to do to the left. You said that since Republicans were assaulted but not killed it's ok and to be expected. But Trump is the fascist? And then it sounds like you are advocating for a violent overthrow of the current government. Interesting.

The people already took back the government on November 8th. If the election was held again today, Trump would win again.

Right, adult like Donald Trump. Give me a break. He'll get what he deserves.

Glad you didn't deny that you are the real fascist in this situation. That's a start at least

Lol, you are a party favor. 
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: mjmaherjr on February 02, 2017, 11:31:55 PM
You're looking at the alternative facts. The two brothers in Boston were American citizens.

No. Both came to the US under a grant of political asylum. One was naturalized, the other wasn't.

They came here legally.

I didn't say they didn't. But if you're going to call people liars and bigots you should have your facts straight. Which is why I helpfully provided the correct information.

Fair enough.

So Trump will ban Muslims from 7 countries to provide the safety that we desperately need despite the fact that Obama has clearly already provided that very safety. Do you really think that this will make us safer than we are now? There are over a million Muslims in our country now. How many of them because of this will turn a lifetime of frustration into blowing up a building or opening fire in a shopping mall?

So we are supposed to tiptoe around on eggshells and hope they don't blowup the country that accepted them?

Nope. Doesn't matter if you tip toe. We are going to get hit. They are already here and Trump's behavior will radicalize them in larger numbers than we've seen. This is not a President. He is putting our lives at risk for no reason other than the attention it gets him. I don't think anyone would say that we should always be working to improve our vetting system, and even if we do, don't you think a few nuts will always come out of the woodwork, just by the law of averages?
Look at what a freaking cartoon did with Charlie Hebdo. I'm not worried about people being radicalized. If people got radicalized by this then they were already on their way to being radicalized before this.

We invaded Iraq we have done thousands of drone strikes and god knows what else. I'm not going to worry about putting a temporary hold on 7 countries who 99.9 % of the population couldn't pick out on a map and worrying about that radicalizing people

I will say though it should have been handled better in the beginning and I'm not against immigration
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 02, 2017, 11:37:31 PM
You're looking at the alternative facts. The two brothers in Boston were American citizens.

No. Both came to the US under a grant of political asylum. One was naturalized, the other wasn't.

They came here legally.

I didn't say they didn't. But if you're going to call people liars and bigots you should have your facts straight. Which is why I helpfully provided the correct information.

Fair enough.

So Trump will ban Muslims from 7 countries to provide the safety that we desperately need despite the fact that Obama has clearly already provided that very safety. Do you really think that this will make us safer than we are now? There are over a million Muslims in our country now. How many of them because of this will turn a lifetime of frustration into blowing up a building or opening fire in a shopping mall?

So we are supposed to tiptoe around on eggshells and hope they don't blowup the country that accepted them?

Nope. Doesn't matter if you tip toe. We are going to get hit. They are already here and Trump's behavior will radicalize them in larger numbers than we've seen. This is not a President. He is putting our lives at risk for no reason other than the attention it gets him. I don't think anyone would say that we should always be working to improve our vetting system, and even if we do, don't you think a few nuts will always come out of the woodwork, just by the law of averages?
Look at what a freaking cartoon did with Charlie Hebdo. I'm not worried about people being radicalized. If people got radicalized by this then they were already on their way to being radicalized before this.

We invaded Iraq we have done thousands of drone strikes and god knows what else. I'm not going to worry about putting a temporary hold on 7 countries who 99.9 % of the population couldn't pick out on a map and worrying about that radicalizing people

I will say though it should have been handled better in the beginning and I'm not against immigration

99% of the population? Trump and his cabinet couldn't do it. What, since he has been sworn in has Trump handled well? Is there a single thing he's done for anyone but himself and his massive ego? Syrian refugees aren't climbing over a fence to get here. It takes two years of vetting.

We have plenty of our own problems right here in America, but since we invaded Iraq and turned that entire region into a war zone some people think we kinda sorta have a responsibility to let people live here. I wonder if the Iraqi interpreter who risked his life to help us in our war of an imaginary threat thinks that we're fighting terror or creating it? How many Iraqis did we kill while in search for WMDs?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: mjmaherjr on February 02, 2017, 11:42:27 PM
You're looking at the alternative facts. The two brothers in Boston were American citizens.

No. Both came to the US under a grant of political asylum. One was naturalized, the other wasn't.

They came here legally.

I didn't say they didn't. But if you're going to call people liars and bigots you should have your facts straight. Which is why I helpfully provided the correct information.

Fair enough.

So Trump will ban Muslims from 7 countries to provide the safety that we desperately need despite the fact that Obama has clearly already provided that very safety. Do you really think that this will make us safer than we are now? There are over a million Muslims in our country now. How many of them because of this will turn a lifetime of frustration into blowing up a building or opening fire in a shopping mall?

So we are supposed to tiptoe around on eggshells and hope they don't blowup the country that accepted them?

Nope. Doesn't matter if you tip toe. We are going to get hit. They are already here and Trump's behavior will radicalize them in larger numbers than we've seen. This is not a President. He is putting our lives at risk for no reason other than the attention it gets him. I don't think anyone would say that we should always be working to improve our vetting system, and even if we do, don't you think a few nuts will always come out of the woodwork, just by the law of averages?
Look at what a freaking cartoon did with Charlie Hebdo. I'm not worried about people being radicalized. If people got radicalized by this then they were already on their way to being radicalized before this.

We invaded Iraq we have done thousands of drone strikes and god knows what else. I'm not going to worry about putting a temporary hold on 7 countries who 99.9 % of the population couldn't pick out on a map and worrying about that radicalizing people

I will say though it should have been handled better in the beginning and I'm not against immigration

99% of the population? Trump and his cabinet couldn't do it.
and neither could Muslims who are supposedly going to be radicalized

And Trump didnt have to since Obama and congress already did that work for him a coulee of years ago
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 02, 2017, 11:47:46 PM
You're looking at the alternative facts. The two brothers in Boston were American citizens.

No. Both came to the US under a grant of political asylum. One was naturalized, the other wasn't.

They came here legally.

I didn't say they didn't. But if you're going to call people liars and bigots you should have your facts straight. Which is why I helpfully provided the correct information.

Fair enough.

So Trump will ban Muslims from 7 countries to provide the safety that we desperately need despite the fact that Obama has clearly already provided that very safety. Do you really think that this will make us safer than we are now? There are over a million Muslims in our country now. How many of them because of this will turn a lifetime of frustration into blowing up a building or opening fire in a shopping mall?

So we are supposed to tiptoe around on eggshells and hope they don't blowup the country that accepted them?

Nope. Doesn't matter if you tip toe. We are going to get hit. They are already here and Trump's behavior will radicalize them in larger numbers than we've seen. This is not a President. He is putting our lives at risk for no reason other than the attention it gets him. I don't think anyone would say that we should always be working to improve our vetting system, and even if we do, don't you think a few nuts will always come out of the woodwork, just by the law of averages?
Look at what a freaking cartoon did with Charlie Hebdo. I'm not worried about people being radicalized. If people got radicalized by this then they were already on their way to being radicalized before this.

We invaded Iraq we have done thousands of drone strikes and god knows what else. I'm not going to worry about putting a temporary hold on 7 countries who 99.9 % of the population couldn't pick out on a map and worrying about that radicalizing people

I will say though it should have been handled better in the beginning and I'm not against immigration

99% of the population? Trump and his cabinet couldn't do it.
and neither could Muslims who are supposedly going to be radicalized

And Trump didnt have to since Obama and congress already did that work for him a coulee of years ago

Immigration was fine as is under Obama. Why change it at all? Just a stunt to test the waters.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: mjmaherjr on February 03, 2017, 12:00:53 AM
You're looking at the alternative facts. The two brothers in Boston were American citizens.

No. Both came to the US under a grant of political asylum. One was naturalized, the other wasn't.

They came here legally.

I didn't say they didn't. But if you're going to call people liars and bigots you should have your facts straight. Which is why I helpfully provided the correct information.

Fair enough.

So Trump will ban Muslims from 7 countries to provide the safety that we desperately need despite the fact that Obama has clearly already provided that very safety. Do you really think that this will make us safer than we are now? There are over a million Muslims in our country now. How many of them because of this will turn a lifetime of frustration into blowing up a building or opening fire in a shopping mall?

So we are supposed to tiptoe around on eggshells and hope they don't blowup the country that accepted them?

Nope. Doesn't matter if you tip toe. We are going to get hit. They are already here and Trump's behavior will radicalize them in larger numbers than we've seen. This is not a President. He is putting our lives at risk for no reason other than the attention it gets him. I don't think anyone would say that we should always be working to improve our vetting system, and even if we do, don't you think a few nuts will always come out of the woodwork, just by the law of averages?
Look at what a freaking cartoon did with Charlie Hebdo. I'm not worried about people being radicalized. If people got radicalized by this then they were already on their way to being radicalized before this.

We invaded Iraq we have done thousands of drone strikes and god knows what else. I'm not going to worry about putting a temporary hold on 7 countries who 99.9 % of the population couldn't pick out on a map and worrying about that radicalizing people

I will say though it should have been handled better in the beginning and I'm not against immigration

99% of the population? Trump and his cabinet couldn't do it.
and neither could Muslims who are supposedly going to be radicalized

And Trump didnt have to since Obama and congress already did that work for him a coulee of years ago

Immigration was fine as is under Obama. Why change it at all? Just a stunt to test the waters.
I think it's fair for any new president to say they want to reevaluate a process especially when it's of this importance. My finance's brother just moved here from Peru with a green card last february and that was an 8 year process but if the same thing happened to him and he got delayed for 4 months than so be it. As it was he got delayed several times for various idiotic reasons. The process isn't streamlined and maybe it's different in every country to come to the US but all I know is the process is so chaotic in Peru it's mind-blowing and they had to spend major $$ on immigration attorney here and down there
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 03, 2017, 12:11:32 AM
You're looking at the alternative facts. The two brothers in Boston were American citizens.

No. Both came to the US under a grant of political asylum. One was naturalized, the other wasn't.

They came here legally.

I didn't say they didn't. But if you're going to call people liars and bigots you should have your facts straight. Which is why I helpfully provided the correct information.

Fair enough.

So Trump will ban Muslims from 7 countries to provide the safety that we desperately need despite the fact that Obama has clearly already provided that very safety. Do you really think that this will make us safer than we are now? There are over a million Muslims in our country now. How many of them because of this will turn a lifetime of frustration into blowing up a building or opening fire in a shopping mall?

So we are supposed to tiptoe around on eggshells and hope they don't blowup the country that accepted them?

Nope. Doesn't matter if you tip toe. We are going to get hit. They are already here and Trump's behavior will radicalize them in larger numbers than we've seen. This is not a President. He is putting our lives at risk for no reason other than the attention it gets him. I don't think anyone would say that we should always be working to improve our vetting system, and even if we do, don't you think a few nuts will always come out of the woodwork, just by the law of averages?
Look at what a freaking cartoon did with Charlie Hebdo. I'm not worried about people being radicalized. If people got radicalized by this then they were already on their way to being radicalized before this.

We invaded Iraq we have done thousands of drone strikes and god knows what else. I'm not going to worry about putting a temporary hold on 7 countries who 99.9 % of the population couldn't pick out on a map and worrying about that radicalizing people

I will say though it should have been handled better in the beginning and I'm not against immigration

99% of the population? Trump and his cabinet couldn't do it.
and neither could Muslims who are supposedly going to be radicalized

And Trump didnt have to since Obama and congress already did that work for him a coulee of years ago

Immigration was fine as is under Obama. Why change it at all? Just a stunt to test the waters.
I think it's fair for any new president to say they want to reevaluate a process especially when it's of this importance. My finance's brother just moved here from Peru with a green card last february and that was an 8 year process but if the same thing happened to him and he got delayed for 4 months than so be it. As it was he got delayed several times for various idiotic reasons. The process isn't streamlined and maybe it's different in every country to come to the US but all I know is the process is so chaotic in Peru it's mind-blowing and they had to spend major $$ on immigration attorney here and down there

The "improvements" that Trump is making have nothing to do with efficiency. The machine was working. There was no Isis problem here that Trump has rescued us from. Has it occurred to you maybe he's going to take something that has been working, something really important and break it? I have no idea how anyone could not think that is exactly how Trump will run this country, until he's impeached, and jailed.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: mjmaherjr on February 03, 2017, 12:16:15 AM
You're looking at the alternative facts. The two brothers in Boston were American citizens.

No. Both came to the US under a grant of political asylum. One was naturalized, the other wasn't.

They came here legally.

I didn't say they didn't. But if you're going to call people liars and bigots you should have your facts straight. Which is why I helpfully provided the correct information.

Fair enough.

So Trump will ban Muslims from 7 countries to provide the safety that we desperately need despite the fact that Obama has clearly already provided that very safety. Do you really think that this will make us safer than we are now? There are over a million Muslims in our country now. How many of them because of this will turn a lifetime of frustration into blowing up a building or opening fire in a shopping mall?

So we are supposed to tiptoe around on eggshells and hope they don't blowup the country that accepted them?

Nope. Doesn't matter if you tip toe. We are going to get hit. They are already here and Trump's behavior will radicalize them in larger numbers than we've seen. This is not a President. He is putting our lives at risk for no reason other than the attention it gets him. I don't think anyone would say that we should always be working to improve our vetting system, and even if we do, don't you think a few nuts will always come out of the woodwork, just by the law of averages?
Look at what a freaking cartoon did with Charlie Hebdo. I'm not worried about people being radicalized. If people got radicalized by this then they were already on their way to being radicalized before this.

We invaded Iraq we have done thousands of drone strikes and god knows what else. I'm not going to worry about putting a temporary hold on 7 countries who 99.9 % of the population couldn't pick out on a map and worrying about that radicalizing people

I will say though it should have been handled better in the beginning and I'm not against immigration

99% of the population? Trump and his cabinet couldn't do it.
and neither could Muslims who are supposedly going to be radicalized

And Trump didnt have to since Obama and congress already did that work for him a coulee of years ago

Immigration was fine as is under Obama. Why change it at all? Just a stunt to test the waters.
I think it's fair for any new president to say they want to reevaluate a process especially when it's of this importance. My finance's brother just moved here from Peru with a green card last february and that was an 8 year process but if the same thing happened to him and he got delayed for 4 months than so be it. As it was he got delayed several times for various idiotic reasons. The process isn't streamlined and maybe it's different in every country to come to the US but all I know is the process is so chaotic in Peru it's mind-blowing and they had to spend major $$ on immigration attorney here and down there

The "improvements" that Trump is making have nothing to do with efficiency. The machine was working. There was no Isis problem here that Trump has rescued us from. Has it occurred to you maybe he's going to take something that has been working, something really important and break it? I have no idea how anyone could not think that is exactly how Trump will run this country, until he's impeached, and jailed.
terrorists study a pattern for years and look for weakness that they can exploit. They wait for years. In my opinion what trump plans to do is evaluate and possibly change some things. I think that can make sense. You need to constantly change your routines just like online companies do with internet security
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: newyorker2586 on February 03, 2017, 01:47:45 AM
NYU was fun tonight
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on February 03, 2017, 07:51:48 AM
Maybe we should make laws that treat all terrorists the way we treat the dark skinned ones? I'm fine with not allowing anyone from ISIS into our country, ever. I saw the 60 minutes on them that really lets you into their lives and shows you how they do things, and I still don't like them. They can't live here. We agree, yes? And with that, our new agreement to not let terrorists live in our country, its high time we gather up our white terrorists as well, and remove them. We have the KKK, the Arian nation, this Richard Spencer nut, and they're rights are protected only because they're white.

The KKK has rights because they're US citizens entitled to the full protections of the US Constitution. The constitution doesn't apply to Syrians.

Quote
And to be clear, I'm not so much opposed to tightening our borders, as long as we are equally careful and objective in judging people from anywhere in the world should they want to live here. Stopping immigration from just 7 countries is showing your hand.

There are one and half billion muslims in the world. Nine of the ten countries with the largest Muslim population comprising one billion Muslims - Indonesia, India, Pockiston, Bangladesh, Nigeria, Egypt, Turkey, Algeria, and Morocco - are not on the list. The only country in the top ten that is on the list is Iran, you know, the death to Satan country where they were handing out candy and dancing in the streets on 9-11.  If Trump was trying to stop Muslims qua Muslims from entering the country he certainly chose an odd way to go about it.


The constitution. Hysterical.

Yes, nice to have a President that believes in it after the last 8 years, right

Yeah I love the section in the Constitution about censoring the media and other agencies.

Name a couple of instances of censorship that have taken place in the last ten days. I'll wait.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-gag-us-government-scientists-environment-stop-speaking-public-tweeting-twitter-climate-a7544971.html


http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/21/politics/trump-national-park-service-tweets/


A two day ban on tweets and transitional communication rules that are "very similar to what [other administrations] have done." It's like Stalin's Soviet Union, nearly.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 03, 2017, 07:56:36 AM
You're looking at the alternative facts. The two brothers in Boston were American citizens.

No. Both came to the US under a grant of political asylum. One was naturalized, the other wasn't.

They came here legally.

I didn't say they didn't. But if you're going to call people liars and bigots you should have your facts straight. Which is why I helpfully provided the correct information.

Fair enough.

So Trump will ban Muslims from 7 countries to provide the safety that we desperately need despite the fact that Obama has clearly already provided that very safety. Do you really think that this will make us safer than we are now? There are over a million Muslims in our country now. How many of them because of this will turn a lifetime of frustration into blowing up a building or opening fire in a shopping mall?

So we are supposed to tiptoe around on eggshells and hope they don't blowup the country that accepted them?

Nope. Doesn't matter if you tip toe. We are going to get hit. They are already here and Trump's behavior will radicalize them in larger numbers than we've seen. This is not a President. He is putting our lives at risk for no reason other than the attention it gets him. I don't think anyone would say that we should always be working to improve our vetting system, and even if we do, don't you think a few nuts will always come out of the woodwork, just by the law of averages?
Look at what a freaking cartoon did with Charlie Hebdo. I'm not worried about people being radicalized. If people got radicalized by this then they were already on their way to being radicalized before this.

We invaded Iraq we have done thousands of drone strikes and god knows what else. I'm not going to worry about putting a temporary hold on 7 countries who 99.9 % of the population couldn't pick out on a map and worrying about that radicalizing people

I will say though it should have been handled better in the beginning and I'm not against immigration

99% of the population? Trump and his cabinet couldn't do it.
and neither could Muslims who are supposedly going to be radicalized

And Trump didnt have to since Obama and congress already did that work for him a coulee of years ago

Immigration was fine as is under Obama. Why change it at all? Just a stunt to test the waters.
I think it's fair for any new president to say they want to reevaluate a process especially when it's of this importance. My finance's brother just moved here from Peru with a green card last february and that was an 8 year process but if the same thing happened to him and he got delayed for 4 months than so be it. As it was he got delayed several times for various idiotic reasons. The process isn't streamlined and maybe it's different in every country to come to the US but all I know is the process is so chaotic in Peru it's mind-blowing and they had to spend major $$ on immigration attorney here and down there

The "improvements" that Trump is making have nothing to do with efficiency. The machine was working. There was no Isis problem here that Trump has rescued us from. Has it occurred to you maybe he's going to take something that has been working, something really important and break it? I have no idea how anyone could not think that is exactly how Trump will run this country, until he's impeached, and jailed.
terrorists study a pattern for years and look for weakness that they can exploit. They wait for years. In my opinion what trump plans to do is evaluate and possibly change some things. I think that can make sense. You need to constantly change your routines just like online companies do with internet security

That makes sense. What doesn't make sense is the way Trump has gone about it. You are describing a different man, and a system that belongs to a different mind. Trump tore Obama's immigration policy apart. Of course, we know that's largely because he was going to do that regardless. Do you really think Trump has any clue what Obama's actual immigration policy was?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on February 03, 2017, 08:25:37 AM
. Give the resistance some time to get organized before they make their move to take our country back from this disease of a cabinet.

Yes, quite, the resistance. Will you be personally manning the barricades on the mean streets of Scarsdale? Starting tire fires at the Golden Horseshoe Shopping Center and so on? #OccupyLord&Taylor

I'm concerned about this "take back our country" rhetoric of yours though. Sounds a little suspicious to me. Let me check google.

Oh dear. Bad news I'm afraid, turns out you're a racist:

"You know, people talking about taking their country back. … There's a certain racial component to this ... there's a racial animus."." - Eric Holder

Not only that, but you know who else used the word "diseased" to describe his political opponents? Hitler.
 
"The battle in which we are engaged today is of the same sort as the battle waged, during the last century, by Pasteur and Koch. How many diseases have their origin in the Jewish virus! ... We shall regain our health only be eliminating the Jew.” - Adolf Hitler

Why your reliance on such inflammatory and obviously dog whistle language? If there's another explanation other than you're an antisemitic racist fascist Nazi xenophobic bigot I can't think of one. 






Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on February 03, 2017, 08:56:09 AM
Poison always wins

"We will have so much winning if I get elected that you may get bored with the winning. Believe me, I agree, you'll never get bored with winning. We never get bored. We are going to turn this country around. We are going to start winning big."
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 04, 2017, 12:27:57 AM
Poison always wins

"We will have so much winning if I get elected that you may get bored with the winning. Believe me, I agree, you'll never get bored with winning. We never get bored. We are going to turn this country around. We are going to start winning big."

Suckers
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 04, 2017, 12:33:49 AM
. Give the resistance some time to get organized before they make their move to take our country back from this disease of a cabinet.

Yes, quite, the resistance. Will you be personally manning the barricades on the mean streets of Scarsdale? Starting tire fires at the Golden Horseshoe Shopping Center and so on? #OccupyLord&Taylor

I'm concerned about this "take back our country" rhetoric of yours though. Sounds a little suspicious to me. Let me check google.

Oh dear. Bad news I'm afraid, turns out you're a racist:

"You know, people talking about taking their country back. … There's a certain racial component to this ... there's a racial animus."." - Eric Holder

Not only that, but you know who else used the word "diseased" to describe his political opponents? Hitler.
 
"The battle in which we are engaged today is of the same sort as the battle waged, during the last century, by Pasteur and Koch. How many diseases have their origin in the Jewish virus! ... We shall regain our health only be eliminating the Jew.” - Adolf Hitler

Why your reliance on such inflammatory and obviously dog whistle language? If there's another explanation other than you're an antisemitic racist fascist Nazi xenophobic bigot I can't think of one. 


Just to be clear, I'm counting on Trump being killed by his own secret service in the near future. I'm sure that's crossed your mind more than once. That's if he's not impeached first. Let's see if there's a Republican left who hasn't taken Trump's hand and sworn eternal loyalty.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on February 04, 2017, 08:23:11 AM
. Give the resistance some time to get organized before they make their move to take our country back from this disease of a cabinet.

Yes, quite, the resistance. Will you be personally manning the barricades on the mean streets of Scarsdale? Starting tire fires at the Golden Horseshoe Shopping Center and so on? #OccupyLord&Taylor

I'm concerned about this "take back our country" rhetoric of yours though. Sounds a little suspicious to me. Let me check google.

Oh dear. Bad news I'm afraid, turns out you're a racist:

"You know, people talking about taking their country back. … There's a certain racial component to this ... there's a racial animus."." - Eric Holder

Not only that, but you know who else used the word "diseased" to describe his political opponents? Hitler.
 
"The battle in which we are engaged today is of the same sort as the battle waged, during the last century, by Pasteur and Koch. How many diseases have their origin in the Jewish virus! ... We shall regain our health only be eliminating the Jew.” - Adolf Hitler

Why your reliance on such inflammatory and obviously dog whistle language? If there's another explanation other than you're an antisemitic racist fascist Nazi xenophobic bigot I can't think of one. 


Just to be clear, I'm counting on Trump being killed by his own secret service in the near future. I'm sure that's crossed your mind more than once. That's if he's not impeached first. Let's see if there's a Republican left who hasn't taken Trump's hand and sworn eternal loyalty.

Whatever you say Oliver Stone. You know, just because you and Sarah Silverman and George Takei and the rest of your snowflake peers are terrified of Trump, that doesn't mean everybody is. All that means is that you need to get out of the house more. Half the country voted for Trump and no doubt three quarters of the secret service, because the latter all hated Hillary, who's legendary for her contempt for and mistreatment of her subordinates.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 04, 2017, 08:38:31 AM
. Give the resistance some time to get organized before they make their move to take our country back from this disease of a cabinet.

Yes, quite, the resistance. Will you be personally manning the barricades on the mean streets of Scarsdale? Starting tire fires at the Golden Horseshoe Shopping Center and so on? #OccupyLord&Taylor

I'm concerned about this "take back our country" rhetoric of yours though. Sounds a little suspicious to me. Let me check google.

Oh dear. Bad news I'm afraid, turns out you're a racist:

"You know, people talking about taking their country back. … There's a certain racial component to this ... there's a racial animus."." - Eric Holder

Not only that, but you know who else used the word "diseased" to describe his political opponents? Hitler.
 
"The battle in which we are engaged today is of the same sort as the battle waged, during the last century, by Pasteur and Koch. How many diseases have their origin in the Jewish virus! ... We shall regain our health only be eliminating the Jew.” - Adolf Hitler

Why your reliance on such inflammatory and obviously dog whistle language? If there's another explanation other than you're an antisemitic racist fascist Nazi xenophobic bigot I can't think of one. 


Just to be clear, I'm counting on Trump being killed by his own secret service in the near future. I'm sure that's crossed your mind more than once. That's if he's not impeached first. Let's see if there's a Republican left who hasn't taken Trump's hand and sworn eternal loyalty.

Whatever you say Oliver Stone. You know, just because you and Sarah Silverman and George Takei and the rest of your snowflake peers are terrified of Trump, that doesn't mean everybody is. All that means is that you need to get out of the house more. Half the country voted for Trump and no doubt three quarters of the secret service, because the latter all hated Hillary, who's legendary for her contempt for and mistreatment of her subordinates.

Not everyone treats people as well as Trump. I see you've embraced this alternative fact shit. Half the country didn't vote for Trump. Less than half the country did. You see, we have this system that gives a say to useless states in the Midwest and the south. They contribute zero to our country, yet they are allowed to destroy it.

Let's see how the salt of the earth feels when they realize that their factories are never coming back. Maybe to make up for it, Trump will send their children to the Middle East for round one of WW3. If you're not scared that war is possible, you have not been paying attention. This may be a joke to Trump, but there are plenty of world leaders who can't wait to get a piece of him. And if they did, good. I'm happy to let them do our dirty work for us.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: mjmaherjr on February 04, 2017, 08:57:51 AM
. Give the resistance some time to get organized before they make their move to take our country back from this disease of a cabinet.

Yes, quite, the resistance. Will you be personally manning the barricades on the mean streets of Scarsdale? Starting tire fires at the Golden Horseshoe Shopping Center and so on? #OccupyLord&Taylor

I'm concerned about this "take back our country" rhetoric of yours though. Sounds a little suspicious to me. Let me check google.

Oh dear. Bad news I'm afraid, turns out you're a racist:

"You know, people talking about taking their country back. … There's a certain racial component to this ... there's a racial animus."." - Eric Holder

Not only that, but you know who else used the word "diseased" to describe his political opponents? Hitler.
 
"The battle in which we are engaged today is of the same sort as the battle waged, during the last century, by Pasteur and Koch. How many diseases have their origin in the Jewish virus! ... We shall regain our health only be eliminating the Jew.” - Adolf Hitler

Why your reliance on such inflammatory and obviously dog whistle language? If there's another explanation other than you're an antisemitic racist fascist Nazi xenophobic bigot I can't think of one. 


Just to be clear, I'm counting on Trump being killed by his own secret service in the near future. I'm sure that's crossed your mind more than once. That's if he's not impeached first. Let's see if there's a Republican left who hasn't taken Trump's hand and sworn eternal loyalty.
I hope you like Cuba because there is some nice room waiting for you at Gitmo :)

In all seriousness though I think republicans are pretty happy so far. I'm republican but really I guess more of an Independent ( more conservative on financial issues and I'm not talking about whatever the club for growth spews and I'm more a little bit left of center on social issues like being pro choice ) so Tump hasn't done anything yet to piss me off. (he is replacing Scalia so it doesn't really matter to me who he picks for that spot )

Now he could have handled things better on his delivery of some things like the immigration thing for sure and there isn't a doubt in my mind he is going to end up pissing me off in the future over some things especially if he ends up running deficits like GWB and Obama but honestly right now for people like me who are close to the center overall politically I like him shaking up things so far
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 04, 2017, 10:02:43 AM
. Give the resistance some time to get organized before they make their move to take our country back from this disease of a cabinet.

Yes, quite, the resistance. Will you be personally manning the barricades on the mean streets of Scarsdale? Starting tire fires at the Golden Horseshoe Shopping Center and so on? #OccupyLord&Taylor

I'm concerned about this "take back our country" rhetoric of yours though. Sounds a little suspicious to me. Let me check google.

Oh dear. Bad news I'm afraid, turns out you're a racist:

"You know, people talking about taking their country back. … There's a certain racial component to this ... there's a racial animus."." - Eric Holder

Not only that, but you know who else used the word "diseased" to describe his political opponents? Hitler.
 
"The battle in which we are engaged today is of the same sort as the battle waged, during the last century, by Pasteur and Koch. How many diseases have their origin in the Jewish virus! ... We shall regain our health only be eliminating the Jew.” - Adolf Hitler

Why your reliance on such inflammatory and obviously dog whistle language? If there's another explanation other than you're an antisemitic racist fascist Nazi xenophobic bigot I can't think of one. 


Just to be clear, I'm counting on Trump being killed by his own secret service in the near future. I'm sure that's crossed your mind more than once. That's if he's not impeached first. Let's see if there's a Republican left who hasn't taken Trump's hand and sworn eternal loyalty.
I hope you like Cuba because there is some nice room waiting for you at Gitmo :)

In all seriousness though I think republicans are pretty happy so far. I'm republican but really I guess more of an Independent ( more conservative on financial issues and I'm not talking about whatever the club for growth spews and I'm more a little bit left of center on social issues like being pro choice ) so Tump hasn't done anything yet to piss me off. (he is replacing Scalia so it doesn't really matter to me who he picks for that spot )

Now he could have handled things better on his delivery of some things like the immigration thing for sure and there isn't a doubt in my mind he is going to end up pissing me off in the future over some things especially if he ends up running deficits like GWB and Obama but honestly right now for people like me who are close to the center overall politically I like him shaking up things so far

So, you're a fan of draining the swamp? Let me know when that happens. Trump has been angry about immigration for years starting with crazy shit about Obama not being born in this country. I'm of the logic that says if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: mjmaherjr on February 04, 2017, 10:20:53 AM
. Give the resistance some time to get organized before they make their move to take our country back from this disease of a cabinet.

Yes, quite, the resistance. Will you be personally manning the barricades on the mean streets of Scarsdale? Starting tire fires at the Golden Horseshoe Shopping Center and so on? #OccupyLord&Taylor

I'm concerned about this "take back our country" rhetoric of yours though. Sounds a little suspicious to me. Let me check google.

Oh dear. Bad news I'm afraid, turns out you're a racist:

"You know, people talking about taking their country back. … There's a certain racial component to this ... there's a racial animus."." - Eric Holder

Not only that, but you know who else used the word "diseased" to describe his political opponents? Hitler.
 
"The battle in which we are engaged today is of the same sort as the battle waged, during the last century, by Pasteur and Koch. How many diseases have their origin in the Jewish virus! ... We shall regain our health only be eliminating the Jew.” - Adolf Hitler

Why your reliance on such inflammatory and obviously dog whistle language? If there's another explanation other than you're an antisemitic racist fascist Nazi xenophobic bigot I can't think of one. 


Just to be clear, I'm counting on Trump being killed by his own secret service in the near future. I'm sure that's crossed your mind more than once. That's if he's not impeached first. Let's see if there's a Republican left who hasn't taken Trump's hand and sworn eternal loyalty.
I hope you like Cuba because there is some nice room waiting for you at Gitmo :)

In all seriousness though I think republicans are pretty happy so far. I'm republican but really I guess more of an Independent ( more conservative on financial issues and I'm not talking about whatever the club for growth spews and I'm more a little bit left of center on social issues like being pro choice ) so Tump hasn't done anything yet to piss me off. (he is replacing Scalia so it doesn't really matter to me who he picks for that spot )

Now he could have handled things better on his delivery of some things like the immigration thing for sure and there isn't a doubt in my mind he is going to end up pissing me off in the future over some things especially if he ends up running deficits like GWB and Obama but honestly right now for people like me who are close to the center overall politically I like him shaking up things so far

So, you're a fan of draining the swamp? Let me know when that happens. Trump has been angry about immigration for years starting with crazy shit about Obama not being born in this country. I'm of the logic that says if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I want the swamp drained then salt put down to ruin it then burned then put a parking lot over it then put some potted plants on top of it..

It's beyond broke. I think you are my age or maybe a little bit over that ( I'll be 47 next week ) and if anyone is 50 or younger the ramifications of what politicians have done to us over the years ( republicans and democrats ) our generation and younger are beyond screwed down the road between the debt and entitlements. ( and I'm not one of the the people who  doesn't want SS or Medicare-Medicaid and the last thing in the world that I want to see if Privatizing SS and see people putting that money in the market ). but they need to be fixed also and I've been saying that for the last 16 years

But it's just a fact. If you look at the numbers of what's looming down the road the younger generations are beyond screwed paying for the fukups of politicians cumulatively over the years

Most of them should be put in jail for what they are leaving us with financially
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 04, 2017, 10:42:17 AM
. Give the resistance some time to get organized before they make their move to take our country back from this disease of a cabinet.

Yes, quite, the resistance. Will you be personally manning the barricades on the mean streets of Scarsdale? Starting tire fires at the Golden Horseshoe Shopping Center and so on? #OccupyLord&Taylor

I'm concerned about this "take back our country" rhetoric of yours though. Sounds a little suspicious to me. Let me check google.

Oh dear. Bad news I'm afraid, turns out you're a racist:

"You know, people talking about taking their country back. … There's a certain racial component to this ... there's a racial animus."." - Eric Holder

Not only that, but you know who else used the word "diseased" to describe his political opponents? Hitler.
 
"The battle in which we are engaged today is of the same sort as the battle waged, during the last century, by Pasteur and Koch. How many diseases have their origin in the Jewish virus! ... We shall regain our health only be eliminating the Jew.” - Adolf Hitler

Why your reliance on such inflammatory and obviously dog whistle language? If there's another explanation other than you're an antisemitic racist fascist Nazi xenophobic bigot I can't think of one. 


Just to be clear, I'm counting on Trump being killed by his own secret service in the near future. I'm sure that's crossed your mind more than once. That's if he's not impeached first. Let's see if there's a Republican left who hasn't taken Trump's hand and sworn eternal loyalty.
I hope you like Cuba because there is some nice room waiting for you at Gitmo :)

In all seriousness though I think republicans are pretty happy so far. I'm republican but really I guess more of an Independent ( more conservative on financial issues and I'm not talking about whatever the club for growth spews and I'm more a little bit left of center on social issues like being pro choice ) so Tump hasn't done anything yet to piss me off. (he is replacing Scalia so it doesn't really matter to me who he picks for that spot )

Now he could have handled things better on his delivery of some things like the immigration thing for sure and there isn't a doubt in my mind he is going to end up pissing me off in the future over some things especially if he ends up running deficits like GWB and Obama but honestly right now for people like me who are close to the center overall politically I like him shaking up things so far

So, you're a fan of draining the swamp? Let me know when that happens. Trump has been angry about immigration for years starting with crazy shit about Obama not being born in this country. I'm of the logic that says if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I want the swamp drained then salt put down to ruin it then burned then put a parking lot over it then put some potted plants on top of it..

It's beyond broke. I think you are my age or maybe a little bit over that ( I'll be 47 next week ) and if anyone is 50 or younger the ramifications of what politicians have done to us over the years ( republicans and democrats ) our generation and younger are beyond screwed down the road between the debt and entitlements. ( and I'm not one of the the people who  doesn't want SS or Medicare-Medicaid and the last thing in the world that I want to see if Privatizing SS and see people putting that money in the market ). but they need to be fixed also and I've been saying that for the last 16 years

But it's just a fact. If you look at the numbers of what's looming down the road the younger generations are beyond screwed paying for the fukups of politicians cumulatively over the years

I don't disagree that younger generations will pay for the mistakes of the previous ones. George Bush Jr comes to mind first for some reason.

What I don't understand is why if you want the swamp drained you would support a man that just built a bigger more powerful swamp? Is different better? I'm still waiting for a good decision. Just one good decision, but instead, we see a buffoon who attacks the Pope on Twitter.

Hillary was careless w some emails and maybe she could have done more in Libya, but is that really worth putting a sociopath in office?

Either way, I think we can all agree that the tragic events of the Bowling Green Massacre are a stain on all humanity.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: mjmaherjr on February 04, 2017, 11:11:50 AM
. Give the resistance some time to get organized before they make their move to take our country back from this disease of a cabinet.

Yes, quite, the resistance. Will you be personally manning the barricades on the mean streets of Scarsdale? Starting tire fires at the Golden Horseshoe Shopping Center and so on? #OccupyLord&Taylor

I'm concerned about this "take back our country" rhetoric of yours though. Sounds a little suspicious to me. Let me check google.

Oh dear. Bad news I'm afraid, turns out you're a racist:

"You know, people talking about taking their country back. … There's a certain racial component to this ... there's a racial animus."." - Eric Holder

Not only that, but you know who else used the word "diseased" to describe his political opponents? Hitler.
 
"The battle in which we are engaged today is of the same sort as the battle waged, during the last century, by Pasteur and Koch. How many diseases have their origin in the Jewish virus! ... We shall regain our health only be eliminating the Jew.” - Adolf Hitler

Why your reliance on such inflammatory and obviously dog whistle language? If there's another explanation other than you're an antisemitic racist fascist Nazi xenophobic bigot I can't think of one. 


Just to be clear, I'm counting on Trump being killed by his own secret service in the near future. I'm sure that's crossed your mind more than once. That's if he's not impeached first. Let's see if there's a Republican left who hasn't taken Trump's hand and sworn eternal loyalty.
I hope you like Cuba because there is some nice room waiting for you at Gitmo :)

In all seriousness though I think republicans are pretty happy so far. I'm republican but really I guess more of an Independent ( more conservative on financial issues and I'm not talking about whatever the club for growth spews and I'm more a little bit left of center on social issues like being pro choice ) so Tump hasn't done anything yet to piss me off. (he is replacing Scalia so it doesn't really matter to me who he picks for that spot )

Now he could have handled things better on his delivery of some things like the immigration thing for sure and there isn't a doubt in my mind he is going to end up pissing me off in the future over some things especially if he ends up running deficits like GWB and Obama but honestly right now for people like me who are close to the center overall politically I like him shaking up things so far

So, you're a fan of draining the swamp? Let me know when that happens. Trump has been angry about immigration for years starting with crazy shit about Obama not being born in this country. I'm of the logic that says if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I want the swamp drained then salt put down to ruin it then burned then put a parking lot over it then put some potted plants on top of it..

It's beyond broke. I think you are my age or maybe a little bit over that ( I'll be 47 next week ) and if anyone is 50 or younger the ramifications of what politicians have done to us over the years ( republicans and democrats ) our generation and younger are beyond screwed down the road between the debt and entitlements. ( and I'm not one of the the people who  doesn't want SS or Medicare-Medicaid and the last thing in the world that I want to see if Privatizing SS and see people putting that money in the market ). but they need to be fixed also and I've been saying that for the last 16 years

But it's just a fact. If you look at the numbers of what's looming down the road the younger generations are beyond screwed paying for the fukups of politicians cumulatively over the years

I don't disagree that younger generations will pay for the mistakes of the previous ones. George Bush Jr comes to mind first for some reason.

What I don't understand is why if you want the swamp drained you would support a man that just built a bigger more powerful swamp? Is different better? I'm still waiting for a good decision. Just one good decision, but instead, we see a buffoon who attacks the Pope on Twitter.

Hillary was careless w some emails and maybe she could have done more in Libya, but is that really worth putting a sociopath in office?

Either way, I think we can all agree that the tragic events of the Bowling Green Massacre are a stain on all humanity.
I think GWB is the 2nd worst president in History or at the very least in my lifetime after Carter.

I literally hated him since the debates with Gore and knew right then he was going to be horrible. I voted for Gore and Kerry then McCain

As I said before I like what he has done so far except for his delivery of some things and no I don't believe everything he says or that he says he is going to do. My view on Trump and Washington would probably be best described the game recap that Fun wrote a few games ago and if you look at it just for what he wrote and keep an open mind to it I think it's pretty reasonable

I'll give you 1 example of something that he did that I liked and this was on his first day. Ending the FHA 25 basis point decrease that Obama tried screwing him with only 2 weeks before that ( it hadn't taken affect yet )

Now the media spun it as Trump screwing over the little people. That's nonsense. First of all the FHA had to get bailed out in 2013 I believe. 2nd is this money goes straight to building the reserves for the FHA in case of a housing meltdown again so it's not like the money is being used to fund the rich or somethings. So in essence by building the reserves you are giving the FHA more ability down the road to insure more mortgages.  3rd someone can make the case that wtf are people even putting down to as low as 3.5% of a down payment on mortgages

If anything you can actually argue the other way that Trump being in real estate and his friends being in real estate that this hypothetically could hurt developers because if people can't afford the PMI insurance some of them might be less likely to buy houses

So if anything he was being fiscally prudent with taxpayer money because if all that happens is the FHA builds their reserves that's a good thing for taxpayers
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Ez_Uzi on February 04, 2017, 11:58:21 AM
 Just to be clear, I'm counting on Trump being killed by his own secret service in the near future. I'm sure that's crossed your mind more than once. That's if he's not impeached first. Let's see if there's a Republican left who hasn't taken Trump's hand and sworn eternal loyalty. [/quote]

While the obsession with racism, immigration, new found love for muslims, assassinations, impeachment, restoration of entrenched corruption, and other liberal distracting kumbaya issues ...  it may already be too late, as the American super rich say, I'm outta here:

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/apocalypse-soon-why-tycoons-are-buying-their-way-into-new-zealand-59t02kxh0
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 04, 2017, 04:49:37 PM
Just to be clear, I'm counting on Trump being killed by his own secret service in the near future. I'm sure that's crossed your mind more than once. That's if he's not impeached first. Let's see if there's a Republican left who hasn't taken Trump's hand and sworn eternal loyalty.

While the obsession with racism, immigration, new found love for muslims, assassinations, impeachment, restoration of entrenched corruption, and other liberal distracting kumbaya issues ...  it may already be too late, as the American super rich say, I'm outta here:

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/apocalypse-soon-why-tycoons-are-buying-their-way-into-new-zealand-59t02kxh0
[/quote]

You are too late. Enjoy New Zealand. Feel free to take your entitled, lazy and useless white friends with you.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 04, 2017, 04:57:49 PM
. Give the resistance some time to get organized before they make their move to take our country back from this disease of a cabinet.

Yes, quite, the resistance. Will you be personally manning the barricades on the mean streets of Scarsdale? Starting tire fires at the Golden Horseshoe Shopping Center and so on? #OccupyLord&Taylor

I'm concerned about this "take back our country" rhetoric of yours though. Sounds a little suspicious to me. Let me check google.

Oh dear. Bad news I'm afraid, turns out you're a racist:

"You know, people talking about taking their country back. … There's a certain racial component to this ... there's a racial animus."." - Eric Holder

Not only that, but you know who else used the word "diseased" to describe his political opponents? Hitler.
 
"The battle in which we are engaged today is of the same sort as the battle waged, during the last century, by Pasteur and Koch. How many diseases have their origin in the Jewish virus! ... We shall regain our health only be eliminating the Jew.” - Adolf Hitler

Why your reliance on such inflammatory and obviously dog whistle language? If there's another explanation other than you're an antisemitic racist fascist Nazi xenophobic bigot I can't think of one. 


Just to be clear, I'm counting on Trump being killed by his own secret service in the near future. I'm sure that's crossed your mind more than once. That's if he's not impeached first. Let's see if there's a Republican left who hasn't taken Trump's hand and sworn eternal loyalty.
I hope you like Cuba because there is some nice room waiting for you at Gitmo :)

In all seriousness though I think republicans are pretty happy so far. I'm republican but really I guess more of an Independent ( more conservative on financial issues and I'm not talking about whatever the club for growth spews and I'm more a little bit left of center on social issues like being pro choice ) so Tump hasn't done anything yet to piss me off. (he is replacing Scalia so it doesn't really matter to me who he picks for that spot )

Now he could have handled things better on his delivery of some things like the immigration thing for sure and there isn't a doubt in my mind he is going to end up pissing me off in the future over some things especially if he ends up running deficits like GWB and Obama but honestly right now for people like me who are close to the center overall politically I like him shaking up things so far

So, you're a fan of draining the swamp? Let me know when that happens. Trump has been angry about immigration for years starting with crazy shit about Obama not being born in this country. I'm of the logic that says if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I want the swamp drained then salt put down to ruin it then burned then put a parking lot over it then put some potted plants on top of it..

It's beyond broke. I think you are my age or maybe a little bit over that ( I'll be 47 next week ) and if anyone is 50 or younger the ramifications of what politicians have done to us over the years ( republicans and democrats ) our generation and younger are beyond screwed down the road between the debt and entitlements. ( and I'm not one of the the people who  doesn't want SS or Medicare-Medicaid and the last thing in the world that I want to see if Privatizing SS and see people putting that money in the market ). but they need to be fixed also and I've been saying that for the last 16 years

But it's just a fact. If you look at the numbers of what's looming down the road the younger generations are beyond screwed paying for the fukups of politicians cumulatively over the years

I don't disagree that younger generations will pay for the mistakes of the previous ones. George Bush Jr comes to mind first for some reason.

What I don't understand is why if you want the swamp drained you would support a man that just built a bigger more powerful swamp? Is different better? I'm still waiting for a good decision. Just one good decision, but instead, we see a buffoon who attacks the Pope on Twitter.

Hillary was careless w some emails and maybe she could have done more in Libya, but is that really worth putting a sociopath in office?

Either way, I think we can all agree that the tragic events of the Bowling Green Massacre are a stain on all humanity.
I think GWB is the 2nd worst president in History or at the very least in my lifetime after Carter.

I literally hated him since the debates with Gore and knew right then he was going to be horrible. I voted for Gore and Kerry then McCain

As I said before I like what he has done so far except for his delivery of some things and no I don't believe everything he says or that he says he is going to do. My view on Trump and Washington would probably be best described the game recap that Fun wrote a few games ago and if you look at it just for what he wrote and keep an open mind to it I think it's pretty reasonable

I'll give you 1 example of something that he did that I liked and this was on his first day. Ending the FHA 25 basis point decrease that Obama tried screwing him with only 2 weeks before that ( it hadn't taken affect yet )

Now the media spun it as Trump screwing over the little people. That's nonsense. First of all the FHA had to get bailed out in 2013 I believe. 2nd is this money goes straight to building the reserves for the FHA in case of a housing meltdown again so it's not like the money is being used to fund the rich or somethings. So in essence by building the reserves you are giving the FHA more ability down the road to insure more mortgages.  3rd someone can make the case that wtf are people even putting down to as low as 3.5% of a down payment on mortgages

If anything you can actually argue the other way that Trump being in real estate and his friends being in real estate that this hypothetically could hurt developers because if people can't afford the PMI insurance some of them might be less likely to buy houses

So if anything he was being fiscally prudent with taxpayer money because if all that happens is the FHA builds their reserves that's a good thing for taxpayers

If you don't believe everything that he says, how do you determine what he'll do or won't do? Think Trump knows? He attacked the Pope the other day.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on February 04, 2017, 05:02:46 PM
He attacked the Pope the other day.

You should be happy: he's not a bitter loser clinging to his religion.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Marco Baldi on February 04, 2017, 05:04:42 PM
He attacked the Pope the other day.

You should be happy: he's not a bitter loser clinging to his religion.

Popes got a nice wall. We should ask who his contractor was
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: mjmaherjr on February 04, 2017, 06:10:58 PM
. Give the resistance some time to get organized before they make their move to take our country back from this disease of a cabinet.

Yes, quite, the resistance. Will you be personally manning the barricades on the mean streets of Scarsdale? Starting tire fires at the Golden Horseshoe Shopping Center and so on? #OccupyLord&Taylor

I'm concerned about this "take back our country" rhetoric of yours though. Sounds a little suspicious to me. Let me check google.

Oh dear. Bad news I'm afraid, turns out you're a racist:

"You know, people talking about taking their country back. … There's a certain racial component to this ... there's a racial animus."." - Eric Holder

Not only that, but you know who else used the word "diseased" to describe his political opponents? Hitler.
 
"The battle in which we are engaged today is of the same sort as the battle waged, during the last century, by Pasteur and Koch. How many diseases have their origin in the Jewish virus! ... We shall regain our health only be eliminating the Jew.” - Adolf Hitler

Why your reliance on such inflammatory and obviously dog whistle language? If there's another explanation other than you're an antisemitic racist fascist Nazi xenophobic bigot I can't think of one. 


Just to be clear, I'm counting on Trump being killed by his own secret service in the near future. I'm sure that's crossed your mind more than once. That's if he's not impeached first. Let's see if there's a Republican left who hasn't taken Trump's hand and sworn eternal loyalty.
I hope you like Cuba because there is some nice room waiting for you at Gitmo :)

In all seriousness though I think republicans are pretty happy so far. I'm republican but really I guess more of an Independent ( more conservative on financial issues and I'm not talking about whatever the club for growth spews and I'm more a little bit left of center on social issues like being pro choice ) so Tump hasn't done anything yet to piss me off. (he is replacing Scalia so it doesn't really matter to me who he picks for that spot )

Now he could have handled things better on his delivery of some things like the immigration thing for sure and there isn't a doubt in my mind he is going to end up pissing me off in the future over some things especially if he ends up running deficits like GWB and Obama but honestly right now for people like me who are close to the center overall politically I like him shaking up things so far

So, you're a fan of draining the swamp? Let me know when that happens. Trump has been angry about immigration for years starting with crazy shit about Obama not being born in this country. I'm of the logic that says if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I want the swamp drained then salt put down to ruin it then burned then put a parking lot over it then put some potted plants on top of it..

It's beyond broke. I think you are my age or maybe a little bit over that ( I'll be 47 next week ) and if anyone is 50 or younger the ramifications of what politicians have done to us over the years ( republicans and democrats ) our generation and younger are beyond screwed down the road between the debt and entitlements. ( and I'm not one of the the people who  doesn't want SS or Medicare-Medicaid and the last thing in the world that I want to see if Privatizing SS and see people putting that money in the market ). but they need to be fixed also and I've been saying that for the last 16 years

But it's just a fact. If you look at the numbers of what's looming down the road the younger generations are beyond screwed paying for the fukups of politicians cumulatively over the years

I don't disagree that younger generations will pay for the mistakes of the previous ones. George Bush Jr comes to mind first for some reason.

What I don't understand is why if you want the swamp drained you would support a man that just built a bigger more powerful swamp? Is different better? I'm still waiting for a good decision. Just one good decision, but instead, we see a buffoon who attacks the Pope on Twitter.

Hillary was careless w some emails and maybe she could have done more in Libya, but is that really worth putting a sociopath in office?

Either way, I think we can all agree that the tragic events of the Bowling Green Massacre are a stain on all humanity.
I think GWB is the 2nd worst president in History or at the very least in my lifetime after Carter.

I literally hated him since the debates with Gore and knew right then he was going to be horrible. I voted for Gore and Kerry then McCain

As I said before I like what he has done so far except for his delivery of some things and no I don't believe everything he says or that he says he is going to do. My view on Trump and Washington would probably be best described the game recap that Fun wrote a few games ago and if you look at it just for what he wrote and keep an open mind to it I think it's pretty reasonable

I'll give you 1 example of something that he did that I liked and this was on his first day. Ending the FHA 25 basis point decrease that Obama tried screwing him with only 2 weeks before that ( it hadn't taken affect yet )

Now the media spun it as Trump screwing over the little people. That's nonsense. First of all the FHA had to get bailed out in 2013 I believe. 2nd is this money goes straight to building the reserves for the FHA in case of a housing meltdown again so it's not like the money is being used to fund the rich or somethings. So in essence by building the reserves you are giving the FHA more ability down the road to insure more mortgages.  3rd someone can make the case that wtf are people even putting down to as low as 3.5% of a down payment on mortgages

If anything you can actually argue the other way that Trump being in real estate and his friends being in real estate that this hypothetically could hurt developers because if people can't afford the PMI insurance some of them might be less likely to buy houses

So if anything he was being fiscally prudent with taxpayer money because if all that happens is the FHA builds their reserves that's a good thing for taxpayers

If you don't believe everything that he says, how do you determine what he'll do or won't do? Think Trump knows? He attacked the Pope the other day.
I dont. It's the same way if Hillary was president she'd be lying also. All presidents lie. The key for me is not so much what he lies about it's what he accomplishes as far as policy and after 4 years I see what he has done good and bad and what he is saying he will do for the next 4 years and I evalate that and will determine whether I would vote for him.

I am by no means a lock to vote for Trump in 4 years and there are plenty of things that he could do over the next 4 years that could cause me to not vote for him but like I said before so far he is doing things that I agree with. When it comes to politics I keep an open mind.  If Biden ran in 4 years who knows I could end up voting for him if I was pissed at Trump down the road. But so far he is shaking things up and if someone keeps an open mind and not prejudge him they might see that too. The media wont though. They flat out misrepresent things to fit their narrative. And when GWB was president people said the media was biased but I think he got virtually all the bad press that he deserved
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 04, 2017, 07:17:31 PM
. Give the resistance some time to get organized before they make their move to take our country back from this disease of a cabinet.

Yes, quite, the resistance. Will you be personally manning the barricades on the mean streets of Scarsdale? Starting tire fires at the Golden Horseshoe Shopping Center and so on? #OccupyLord&Taylor

I'm concerned about this "take back our country" rhetoric of yours though. Sounds a little suspicious to me. Let me check google.

Oh dear. Bad news I'm afraid, turns out you're a racist:

"You know, people talking about taking their country back. … There's a certain racial component to this ... there's a racial animus."." - Eric Holder

Not only that, but you know who else used the word "diseased" to describe his political opponents? Hitler.
 
"The battle in which we are engaged today is of the same sort as the battle waged, during the last century, by Pasteur and Koch. How many diseases have their origin in the Jewish virus! ... We shall regain our health only be eliminating the Jew.” - Adolf Hitler

Why your reliance on such inflammatory and obviously dog whistle language? If there's another explanation other than you're an antisemitic racist fascist Nazi xenophobic bigot I can't think of one. 


Just to be clear, I'm counting on Trump being killed by his own secret service in the near future. I'm sure that's crossed your mind more than once. That's if he's not impeached first. Let's see if there's a Republican left who hasn't taken Trump's hand and sworn eternal loyalty.
I hope you like Cuba because there is some nice room waiting for you at Gitmo :)

In all seriousness though I think republicans are pretty happy so far. I'm republican but really I guess more of an Independent ( more conservative on financial issues and I'm not talking about whatever the club for growth spews and I'm more a little bit left of center on social issues like being pro choice ) so Tump hasn't done anything yet to piss me off. (he is replacing Scalia so it doesn't really matter to me who he picks for that spot )

Now he could have handled things better on his delivery of some things like the immigration thing for sure and there isn't a doubt in my mind he is going to end up pissing me off in the future over some things especially if he ends up running deficits like GWB and Obama but honestly right now for people like me who are close to the center overall politically I like him shaking up things so far

So, you're a fan of draining the swamp? Let me know when that happens. Trump has been angry about immigration for years starting with crazy shit about Obama not being born in this country. I'm of the logic that says if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I want the swamp drained then salt put down to ruin it then burned then put a parking lot over it then put some potted plants on top of it..

It's beyond broke. I think you are my age or maybe a little bit over that ( I'll be 47 next week ) and if anyone is 50 or younger the ramifications of what politicians have done to us over the years ( republicans and democrats ) our generation and younger are beyond screwed down the road between the debt and entitlements. ( and I'm not one of the the people who  doesn't want SS or Medicare-Medicaid and the last thing in the world that I want to see if Privatizing SS and see people putting that money in the market ). but they need to be fixed also and I've been saying that for the last 16 years

But it's just a fact. If you look at the numbers of what's looming down the road the younger generations are beyond screwed paying for the fukups of politicians cumulatively over the years

I don't disagree that younger generations will pay for the mistakes of the previous ones. George Bush Jr comes to mind first for some reason.

What I don't understand is why if you want the swamp drained you would support a man that just built a bigger more powerful swamp? Is different better? I'm still waiting for a good decision. Just one good decision, but instead, we see a buffoon who attacks the Pope on Twitter.

Hillary was careless w some emails and maybe she could have done more in Libya, but is that really worth putting a sociopath in office?

Either way, I think we can all agree that the tragic events of the Bowling Green Massacre are a stain on all humanity.
I think GWB is the 2nd worst president in History or at the very least in my lifetime after Carter.

I literally hated him since the debates with Gore and knew right then he was going to be horrible. I voted for Gore and Kerry then McCain

As I said before I like what he has done so far except for his delivery of some things and no I don't believe everything he says or that he says he is going to do. My view on Trump and Washington would probably be best described the game recap that Fun wrote a few games ago and if you look at it just for what he wrote and keep an open mind to it I think it's pretty reasonable

I'll give you 1 example of something that he did that I liked and this was on his first day. Ending the FHA 25 basis point decrease that Obama tried screwing him with only 2 weeks before that ( it hadn't taken affect yet )

Now the media spun it as Trump screwing over the little people. That's nonsense. First of all the FHA had to get bailed out in 2013 I believe. 2nd is this money goes straight to building the reserves for the FHA in case of a housing meltdown again so it's not like the money is being used to fund the rich or somethings. So in essence by building the reserves you are giving the FHA more ability down the road to insure more mortgages.  3rd someone can make the case that wtf are people even putting down to as low as 3.5% of a down payment on mortgages

If anything you can actually argue the other way that Trump being in real estate and his friends being in real estate that this hypothetically could hurt developers because if people can't afford the PMI insurance some of them might be less likely to buy houses

So if anything he was being fiscally prudent with taxpayer money because if all that happens is the FHA builds their reserves that's a good thing for taxpayers

If you don't believe everything that he says, how do you determine what he'll do or won't do? Think Trump knows? He attacked the Pope the other day.
I dont. It's the same way if Hillary was president she'd be lying also. All presidents lie. The key for me is not so much what he lies about it's what he accomplishes as far as policy and after 4 years I see what he has done good and bad and what he is saying he will do for the next 4 years and I evalate that and will determine whether I would vote for him.

I am by no means a lock to vote for Trump in 4 years and there are plenty of things that he could do over the next 4 years that could cause me to not vote for him but like I said before so far he is doing things that I agree with. When it comes to politics I keep an open mind.  If Biden ran in 4 years who knows I could end up voting for him if I was pissed at Trump down the road. But so far he is shaking things up and if someone keeps an open mind and not prejudge him they might see that too. The media wont though. They flat out misrepresent things to fit their narrative. And when GWB was president people said the media was biased but I think he got virtually all the bad press that he deserved

If he starts a nuclear war we could look back at the things he's said about nuclear war and see that he's only doing what he said he'd do. My fear with Trump in office is that he'll do what he says he will do in terms of literally destroying the planet. In terms of creating jobs for poor white people in Michigan, I think if anyone has half a brain, they know he lied to them because he needed them to win the election.

If Trump wants to be given a chance, as much as I'd like to see him beaten to within an inch of his life, there is still time for him to turn it around, but it won't happen until he realizes that he works for the people. Not the other way around. Never before in American history has a President been hated like Trump is now. He did that to himself. It's clear that he's a lunatic because just imagine how much he could have won by had he not acted like an entitled POS?

I will say that I find it amazing how many Trump supporters really believe that Hillary is the antichrist. Had she ever lied? Sure. Like you said, they all lie. They don't all lie every day and make up crazy shit, but the point is taken. Politics isn't an honesty industry. Had anyone else been guilty of the same mistakes Hillary made no one would even notice. He did a great job painting her as crooked and blaming her for that Libya nonsense and garbage about an email server.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 04, 2017, 07:22:02 PM
He attacked the Pope the other day.

You should be happy: he's not a bitter loser clinging to his religion.

I bet the Pope could kick Trump's ass, but again, I'm counting on our secret service to take him out.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: mjmaherjr on February 04, 2017, 07:53:34 PM
. Give the resistance some time to get organized before they make their move to take our country back from this disease of a cabinet.

Yes, quite, the resistance. Will you be personally manning the barricades on the mean streets of Scarsdale? Starting tire fires at the Golden Horseshoe Shopping Center and so on? #OccupyLord&Taylor

I'm concerned about this "take back our country" rhetoric of yours though. Sounds a little suspicious to me. Let me check google.

Oh dear. Bad news I'm afraid, turns out you're a racist:

"You know, people talking about taking their country back. … There's a certain racial component to this ... there's a racial animus."." - Eric Holder

Not only that, but you know who else used the word "diseased" to describe his political opponents? Hitler.
 
"The battle in which we are engaged today is of the same sort as the battle waged, during the last century, by Pasteur and Koch. How many diseases have their origin in the Jewish virus! ... We shall regain our health only be eliminating the Jew.” - Adolf Hitler

Why your reliance on such inflammatory and obviously dog whistle language? If there's another explanation other than you're an antisemitic racist fascist Nazi xenophobic bigot I can't think of one. 


Just to be clear, I'm counting on Trump being killed by his own secret service in the near future. I'm sure that's crossed your mind more than once. That's if he's not impeached first. Let's see if there's a Republican left who hasn't taken Trump's hand and sworn eternal loyalty.
I hope you like Cuba because there is some nice room waiting for you at Gitmo :)

In all seriousness though I think republicans are pretty happy so far. I'm republican but really I guess more of an Independent ( more conservative on financial issues and I'm not talking about whatever the club for growth spews and I'm more a little bit left of center on social issues like being pro choice ) so Tump hasn't done anything yet to piss me off. (he is replacing Scalia so it doesn't really matter to me who he picks for that spot )

Now he could have handled things better on his delivery of some things like the immigration thing for sure and there isn't a doubt in my mind he is going to end up pissing me off in the future over some things especially if he ends up running deficits like GWB and Obama but honestly right now for people like me who are close to the center overall politically I like him shaking up things so far

So, you're a fan of draining the swamp? Let me know when that happens. Trump has been angry about immigration for years starting with crazy shit about Obama not being born in this country. I'm of the logic that says if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I want the swamp drained then salt put down to ruin it then burned then put a parking lot over it then put some potted plants on top of it..

It's beyond broke. I think you are my age or maybe a little bit over that ( I'll be 47 next week ) and if anyone is 50 or younger the ramifications of what politicians have done to us over the years ( republicans and democrats ) our generation and younger are beyond screwed down the road between the debt and entitlements. ( and I'm not one of the the people who  doesn't want SS or Medicare-Medicaid and the last thing in the world that I want to see if Privatizing SS and see people putting that money in the market ). but they need to be fixed also and I've been saying that for the last 16 years

But it's just a fact. If you look at the numbers of what's looming down the road the younger generations are beyond screwed paying for the fukups of politicians cumulatively over the years

I don't disagree that younger generations will pay for the mistakes of the previous ones. George Bush Jr comes to mind first for some reason.

What I don't understand is why if you want the swamp drained you would support a man that just built a bigger more powerful swamp? Is different better? I'm still waiting for a good decision. Just one good decision, but instead, we see a buffoon who attacks the Pope on Twitter.

Hillary was careless w some emails and maybe she could have done more in Libya, but is that really worth putting a sociopath in office?

Either way, I think we can all agree that the tragic events of the Bowling Green Massacre are a stain on all humanity.
I think GWB is the 2nd worst president in History or at the very least in my lifetime after Carter.

I literally hated him since the debates with Gore and knew right then he was going to be horrible. I voted for Gore and Kerry then McCain

As I said before I like what he has done so far except for his delivery of some things and no I don't believe everything he says or that he says he is going to do. My view on Trump and Washington would probably be best described the game recap that Fun wrote a few games ago and if you look at it just for what he wrote and keep an open mind to it I think it's pretty reasonable

I'll give you 1 example of something that he did that I liked and this was on his first day. Ending the FHA 25 basis point decrease that Obama tried screwing him with only 2 weeks before that ( it hadn't taken affect yet )

Now the media spun it as Trump screwing over the little people. That's nonsense. First of all the FHA had to get bailed out in 2013 I believe. 2nd is this money goes straight to building the reserves for the FHA in case of a housing meltdown again so it's not like the money is being used to fund the rich or somethings. So in essence by building the reserves you are giving the FHA more ability down the road to insure more mortgages.  3rd someone can make the case that wtf are people even putting down to as low as 3.5% of a down payment on mortgages

If anything you can actually argue the other way that Trump being in real estate and his friends being in real estate that this hypothetically could hurt developers because if people can't afford the PMI insurance some of them might be less likely to buy houses

So if anything he was being fiscally prudent with taxpayer money because if all that happens is the FHA builds their reserves that's a good thing for taxpayers

If you don't believe everything that he says, how do you determine what he'll do or won't do? Think Trump knows? He attacked the Pope the other day.
I dont. It's the same way if Hillary was president she'd be lying also. All presidents lie. The key for me is not so much what he lies about it's what he accomplishes as far as policy and after 4 years I see what he has done good and bad and what he is saying he will do for the next 4 years and I evalate that and will determine whether I would vote for him.

I am by no means a lock to vote for Trump in 4 years and there are plenty of things that he could do over the next 4 years that could cause me to not vote for him but like I said before so far he is doing things that I agree with. When it comes to politics I keep an open mind.  If Biden ran in 4 years who knows I could end up voting for him if I was pissed at Trump down the road. But so far he is shaking things up and if someone keeps an open mind and not prejudge him they might see that too. The media wont though. They flat out misrepresent things to fit their narrative. And when GWB was president people said the media was biased but I think he got virtually all the bad press that he deserved

If he starts a nuclear war we could look back at the things he's said about nuclear war and see that he's only doing what he said he'd do. My fear with Trump in office is that he'll do what he says he will do in terms of literally destroying the planet. In terms of creating jobs for poor white people in Michigan, I think if anyone has half a brain, they know he lied to them because he needed them to win the election.

If Trump wants to be given a chance, as much as I'd like to see him beaten to within an inch of his life, there is still time for him to turn it around, but it won't happen until he realizes that he works for the people. Not the other way around. Never before in American history has a President been hated like Trump is now. He did that to himself. It's clear that he's a lunatic because just imagine how much he could have won by had he not acted like an entitled POS?

I will say that I find it amazing how many Trump supporters really believe that Hillary is the antichrist. Had she ever lied? Sure. Like you said, they all lie. They don't all lie every day and make up crazy shit, but the point is taken. Politics isn't an honesty industry. Had anyone else been guilty of the same mistakes Hillary made no one would even notice. He did a great job painting her as crooked and blaming her for that Libya nonsense and garbage about an email server.
I really dontblame her for Libya all that much. The email server thing she did all by herself and she didnt need any help in that regard because she lied multiple times. But again all presidents lie but that email thing for me was a huge deal.

I get why some hate Trump and that's fine with me. I just wish they could look at everything he does and actually try and be honest with themselves and give him credit for some things because if Obama was president every single thing that Trump has done so far most wouldnt have had a problem with but I blame media for a lot of this because Trump could find a cure for cancer and the media will find a way to knock him for it.

But like I said I think he will surprise people for the better if they keep an open mind. If I'm wrong then I have no problem voting for a better qualified candidate in 4 years.

But democrats should be blaming themselves for rigging their own system against Bernie. I might not care for him but I respect him and it's better to be respected.  I hope they dont go even further to the left in 4 years and come up with someone like Warren because then no matter what barring nuclear war I'll vote for Trump

But lets see what happens. I think he is actually going to fight for the US. I just dont want to see trade wars etc but I think his plan is to be bombastic and then find middle ground. I think he will be willing to work across the aisle a lot after a year or so and I actually dont want republicans going wild and winning super majorities in congress because when 1 party controls everything for too long that never works out for the american people regardless of who is in charge
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Celtics11 on February 04, 2017, 08:09:47 PM
 You have proven one thing to me Poison. You are one SICK dude constantly talking about killing the president or having him beaten within an inch of his life. Left or right, right or wrong, stop the BS rhetoric already.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Marco Baldi on February 04, 2017, 08:12:17 PM
Poison is a Madonna alias
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Celtics11 on February 04, 2017, 08:13:51 PM
Poison is a Madonna alias
Or Ashley Judd
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 04, 2017, 09:13:48 PM
You have proven one thing to me Poison. You are one SICK dude constantly talking about killing the president or having him beaten within an inch of his life. Left or right, right or wrong, stop the BS rhetoric already.

You think I'm crazy here, you should see me at a game after a few drinks.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Marco Baldi on February 04, 2017, 09:15:19 PM
You have proven one thing to me Poison. You are one SICK dude constantly talking about killing the president or having him beaten within an inch of his life. Left or right, right or wrong, stop the BS rhetoric already.

You think I'm crazy here, you should see me at a game after a few drinks.

Strike a pose
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: mjmaherjr on February 04, 2017, 09:16:45 PM
You have proven one thing to me Poison. You are one SICK dude constantly talking about killing the president or having him beaten within an inch of his life. Left or right, right or wrong, stop the BS rhetoric already.

You think I'm crazy here, you should see me at a game after a few drinks.
Now that is the best post on this thread. lol
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 04, 2017, 09:20:43 PM
You have proven one thing to me Poison. You are one SICK dude constantly talking about killing the president or having him beaten within an inch of his life. Left or right, right or wrong, stop the BS rhetoric already.

You think I'm crazy here, you should see me at a game after a few drinks.

Strike a pose

You do realize that Madonna could beat the snot out of Trump?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 05, 2017, 10:37:35 AM
. Give the resistance some time to get organized before they make their move to take our country back from this disease of a cabinet.

Yes, quite, the resistance. Will you be personally manning the barricades on the mean streets of Scarsdale? Starting tire fires at the Golden Horseshoe Shopping Center and so on? #OccupyLord&Taylor

I'm concerned about this "take back our country" rhetoric of yours though. Sounds a little suspicious to me. Let me check google.

Oh dear. Bad news I'm afraid, turns out you're a racist:

"You know, people talking about taking their country back. … There's a certain racial component to this ... there's a racial animus."." - Eric Holder

Not only that, but you know who else used the word "diseased" to describe his political opponents? Hitler.
 
"The battle in which we are engaged today is of the same sort as the battle waged, during the last century, by Pasteur and Koch. How many diseases have their origin in the Jewish virus! ... We shall regain our health only be eliminating the Jew.” - Adolf Hitler

Why your reliance on such inflammatory and obviously dog whistle language? If there's another explanation other than you're an antisemitic racist fascist Nazi xenophobic bigot I can't think of one. 


Just to be clear, I'm counting on Trump being killed by his own secret service in the near future. I'm sure that's crossed your mind more than once. That's if he's not impeached first. Let's see if there's a Republican left who hasn't taken Trump's hand and sworn eternal loyalty.
I hope you like Cuba because there is some nice room waiting for you at Gitmo :)

In all seriousness though I think republicans are pretty happy so far. I'm republican but really I guess more of an Independent ( more conservative on financial issues and I'm not talking about whatever the club for growth spews and I'm more a little bit left of center on social issues like being pro choice ) so Tump hasn't done anything yet to piss me off. (he is replacing Scalia so it doesn't really matter to me who he picks for that spot )

Now he could have handled things better on his delivery of some things like the immigration thing for sure and there isn't a doubt in my mind he is going to end up pissing me off in the future over some things especially if he ends up running deficits like GWB and Obama but honestly right now for people like me who are close to the center overall politically I like him shaking up things so far

So, you're a fan of draining the swamp? Let me know when that happens. Trump has been angry about immigration for years starting with crazy shit about Obama not being born in this country. I'm of the logic that says if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I want the swamp drained then salt put down to ruin it then burned then put a parking lot over it then put some potted plants on top of it..

It's beyond broke. I think you are my age or maybe a little bit over that ( I'll be 47 next week ) and if anyone is 50 or younger the ramifications of what politicians have done to us over the years ( republicans and democrats ) our generation and younger are beyond screwed down the road between the debt and entitlements. ( and I'm not one of the the people who  doesn't want SS or Medicare-Medicaid and the last thing in the world that I want to see if Privatizing SS and see people putting that money in the market ). but they need to be fixed also and I've been saying that for the last 16 years

But it's just a fact. If you look at the numbers of what's looming down the road the younger generations are beyond screwed paying for the fukups of politicians cumulatively over the years

I don't disagree that younger generations will pay for the mistakes of the previous ones. George Bush Jr comes to mind first for some reason.

What I don't understand is why if you want the swamp drained you would support a man that just built a bigger more powerful swamp? Is different better? I'm still waiting for a good decision. Just one good decision, but instead, we see a buffoon who attacks the Pope on Twitter.

Hillary was careless w some emails and maybe she could have done more in Libya, but is that really worth putting a sociopath in office?

Either way, I think we can all agree that the tragic events of the Bowling Green Massacre are a stain on all humanity.
I think GWB is the 2nd worst president in History or at the very least in my lifetime after Carter.

I literally hated him since the debates with Gore and knew right then he was going to be horrible. I voted for Gore and Kerry then McCain

As I said before I like what he has done so far except for his delivery of some things and no I don't believe everything he says or that he says he is going to do. My view on Trump and Washington would probably be best described the game recap that Fun wrote a few games ago and if you look at it just for what he wrote and keep an open mind to it I think it's pretty reasonable

I'll give you 1 example of something that he did that I liked and this was on his first day. Ending the FHA 25 basis point decrease that Obama tried screwing him with only 2 weeks before that ( it hadn't taken affect yet )

Now the media spun it as Trump screwing over the little people. That's nonsense. First of all the FHA had to get bailed out in 2013 I believe. 2nd is this money goes straight to building the reserves for the FHA in case of a housing meltdown again so it's not like the money is being used to fund the rich or somethings. So in essence by building the reserves you are giving the FHA more ability down the road to insure more mortgages.  3rd someone can make the case that wtf are people even putting down to as low as 3.5% of a down payment on mortgages

If anything you can actually argue the other way that Trump being in real estate and his friends being in real estate that this hypothetically could hurt developers because if people can't afford the PMI insurance some of them might be less likely to buy houses

So if anything he was being fiscally prudent with taxpayer money because if all that happens is the FHA builds their reserves that's a good thing for taxpayers

If you don't believe everything that he says, how do you determine what he'll do or won't do? Think Trump knows? He attacked the Pope the other day.
I dont. It's the same way if Hillary was president she'd be lying also. All presidents lie. The key for me is not so much what he lies about it's what he accomplishes as far as policy and after 4 years I see what he has done good and bad and what he is saying he will do for the next 4 years and I evalate that and will determine whether I would vote for him.

I am by no means a lock to vote for Trump in 4 years and there are plenty of things that he could do over the next 4 years that could cause me to not vote for him but like I said before so far he is doing things that I agree with. When it comes to politics I keep an open mind.  If Biden ran in 4 years who knows I could end up voting for him if I was pissed at Trump down the road. But so far he is shaking things up and if someone keeps an open mind and not prejudge him they might see that too. The media wont though. They flat out misrepresent things to fit their narrative. And when GWB was president people said the media was biased but I think he got virtually all the bad press that he deserved

If he starts a nuclear war we could look back at the things he's said about nuclear war and see that he's only doing what he said he'd do. My fear with Trump in office is that he'll do what he says he will do in terms of literally destroying the planet. In terms of creating jobs for poor white people in Michigan, I think if anyone has half a brain, they know he lied to them because he needed them to win the election.

If Trump wants to be given a chance, as much as I'd like to see him beaten to within an inch of his life, there is still time for him to turn it around, but it won't happen until he realizes that he works for the people. Not the other way around. Never before in American history has a President been hated like Trump is now. He did that to himself. It's clear that he's a lunatic because just imagine how much he could have won by had he not acted like an entitled POS?

I will say that I find it amazing how many Trump supporters really believe that Hillary is the antichrist. Had she ever lied? Sure. Like you said, they all lie. They don't all lie every day and make up crazy shit, but the point is taken. Politics isn't an honesty industry. Had anyone else been guilty of the same mistakes Hillary made no one would even notice. He did a great job painting her as crooked and blaming her for that Libya nonsense and garbage about an email server.
I really dontblame her for Libya all that much. The email server thing she did all by herself and she didnt need any help in that regard because she lied multiple times. But again all presidents lie but that email thing for me was a huge deal.

I get why some hate Trump and that's fine with me. I just wish they could look at everything he does and actually try and be honest with themselves and give him credit for some things because if Obama was president every single thing that Trump has done so far most wouldnt have had a problem with but I blame media for a lot of this because Trump could find a cure for cancer and the media will find a way to knock him for it.

But like I said I think he will surprise people for the better if they keep an open mind. If I'm wrong then I have no problem voting for a better qualified candidate in 4 years.

But democrats should be blaming themselves for rigging their own system against Bernie. I might not care for him but I respect him and it's better to be respected.  I hope they dont go even further to the left in 4 years and come up with someone like Warren because then no matter what barring nuclear war I'll vote for Trump

But lets see what happens. I think he is actually going to fight for the US. I just dont want to see trade wars etc but I think his plan is to be bombastic and then find middle ground. I think he will be willing to work across the aisle a lot after a year or so and I actually dont want republicans going wild and winning super majorities in congress because when 1 party controls everything for too long that never works out for the american people regardless of who is in charge

I'm not sayingthat right now I'm sure I want Warren to be our President, but have you seen her question Betsy DeVos? It's pretty telling that DeVos is unbelievably unqualified to have this position.

So, why did she get it? I think it's a fair question. Has she donated some of large wealth to Republican senators? And if she did, our draining swamp has a serious blockage.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on February 05, 2017, 10:50:16 AM
there is still time for him to turn it around

Are you sure? He's already been in office three weeks.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: mjmaherjr on February 05, 2017, 12:54:23 PM
. Give the resistance some time to get organized before they make their move to take our country back from this disease of a cabinet.

Yes, quite, the resistance. Will you be personally manning the barricades on the mean streets of Scarsdale? Starting tire fires at the Golden Horseshoe Shopping Center and so on? #OccupyLord&Taylor

I'm concerned about this "take back our country" rhetoric of yours though. Sounds a little suspicious to me. Let me check google.

Oh dear. Bad news I'm afraid, turns out you're a racist:

"You know, people talking about taking their country back. … There's a certain racial component to this ... there's a racial animus."." - Eric Holder

Not only that, but you know who else used the word "diseased" to describe his political opponents? Hitler.
 
"The battle in which we are engaged today is of the same sort as the battle waged, during the last century, by Pasteur and Koch. How many diseases have their origin in the Jewish virus! ... We shall regain our health only be eliminating the Jew.” - Adolf Hitler

Why your reliance on such inflammatory and obviously dog whistle language? If there's another explanation other than you're an antisemitic racist fascist Nazi xenophobic bigot I can't think of one. 


Just to be clear, I'm counting on Trump being killed by his own secret service in the near future. I'm sure that's crossed your mind more than once. That's if he's not impeached first. Let's see if there's a Republican left who hasn't taken Trump's hand and sworn eternal loyalty.
I hope you like Cuba because there is some nice room waiting for you at Gitmo :)

In all seriousness though I think republicans are pretty happy so far. I'm republican but really I guess more of an Independent ( more conservative on financial issues and I'm not talking about whatever the club for growth spews and I'm more a little bit left of center on social issues like being pro choice ) so Tump hasn't done anything yet to piss me off. (he is replacing Scalia so it doesn't really matter to me who he picks for that spot )

Now he could have handled things better on his delivery of some things like the immigration thing for sure and there isn't a doubt in my mind he is going to end up pissing me off in the future over some things especially if he ends up running deficits like GWB and Obama but honestly right now for people like me who are close to the center overall politically I like him shaking up things so far

So, you're a fan of draining the swamp? Let me know when that happens. Trump has been angry about immigration for years starting with crazy shit about Obama not being born in this country. I'm of the logic that says if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I want the swamp drained then salt put down to ruin it then burned then put a parking lot over it then put some potted plants on top of it..

It's beyond broke. I think you are my age or maybe a little bit over that ( I'll be 47 next week ) and if anyone is 50 or younger the ramifications of what politicians have done to us over the years ( republicans and democrats ) our generation and younger are beyond screwed down the road between the debt and entitlements. ( and I'm not one of the the people who  doesn't want SS or Medicare-Medicaid and the last thing in the world that I want to see if Privatizing SS and see people putting that money in the market ). but they need to be fixed also and I've been saying that for the last 16 years

But it's just a fact. If you look at the numbers of what's looming down the road the younger generations are beyond screwed paying for the fukups of politicians cumulatively over the years

I don't disagree that younger generations will pay for the mistakes of the previous ones. George Bush Jr comes to mind first for some reason.

What I don't understand is why if you want the swamp drained you would support a man that just built a bigger more powerful swamp? Is different better? I'm still waiting for a good decision. Just one good decision, but instead, we see a buffoon who attacks the Pope on Twitter.

Hillary was careless w some emails and maybe she could have done more in Libya, but is that really worth putting a sociopath in office?

Either way, I think we can all agree that the tragic events of the Bowling Green Massacre are a stain on all humanity.
I think GWB is the 2nd worst president in History or at the very least in my lifetime after Carter.

I literally hated him since the debates with Gore and knew right then he was going to be horrible. I voted for Gore and Kerry then McCain

As I said before I like what he has done so far except for his delivery of some things and no I don't believe everything he says or that he says he is going to do. My view on Trump and Washington would probably be best described the game recap that Fun wrote a few games ago and if you look at it just for what he wrote and keep an open mind to it I think it's pretty reasonable

I'll give you 1 example of something that he did that I liked and this was on his first day. Ending the FHA 25 basis point decrease that Obama tried screwing him with only 2 weeks before that ( it hadn't taken affect yet )

Now the media spun it as Trump screwing over the little people. That's nonsense. First of all the FHA had to get bailed out in 2013 I believe. 2nd is this money goes straight to building the reserves for the FHA in case of a housing meltdown again so it's not like the money is being used to fund the rich or somethings. So in essence by building the reserves you are giving the FHA more ability down the road to insure more mortgages.  3rd someone can make the case that wtf are people even putting down to as low as 3.5% of a down payment on mortgages

If anything you can actually argue the other way that Trump being in real estate and his friends being in real estate that this hypothetically could hurt developers because if people can't afford the PMI insurance some of them might be less likely to buy houses

So if anything he was being fiscally prudent with taxpayer money because if all that happens is the FHA builds their reserves that's a good thing for taxpayers

If you don't believe everything that he says, how do you determine what he'll do or won't do? Think Trump knows? He attacked the Pope the other day.
I dont. It's the same way if Hillary was president she'd be lying also. All presidents lie. The key for me is not so much what he lies about it's what he accomplishes as far as policy and after 4 years I see what he has done good and bad and what he is saying he will do for the next 4 years and I evalate that and will determine whether I would vote for him.

I am by no means a lock to vote for Trump in 4 years and there are plenty of things that he could do over the next 4 years that could cause me to not vote for him but like I said before so far he is doing things that I agree with. When it comes to politics I keep an open mind.  If Biden ran in 4 years who knows I could end up voting for him if I was pissed at Trump down the road. But so far he is shaking things up and if someone keeps an open mind and not prejudge him they might see that too. The media wont though. They flat out misrepresent things to fit their narrative. And when GWB was president people said the media was biased but I think he got virtually all the bad press that he deserved

If he starts a nuclear war we could look back at the things he's said about nuclear war and see that he's only doing what he said he'd do. My fear with Trump in office is that he'll do what he says he will do in terms of literally destroying the planet. In terms of creating jobs for poor white people in Michigan, I think if anyone has half a brain, they know he lied to them because he needed them to win the election.

If Trump wants to be given a chance, as much as I'd like to see him beaten to within an inch of his life, there is still time for him to turn it around, but it won't happen until he realizes that he works for the people. Not the other way around. Never before in American history has a President been hated like Trump is now. He did that to himself. It's clear that he's a lunatic because just imagine how much he could have won by had he not acted like an entitled POS?

I will say that I find it amazing how many Trump supporters really believe that Hillary is the antichrist. Had she ever lied? Sure. Like you said, they all lie. They don't all lie every day and make up crazy shit, but the point is taken. Politics isn't an honesty industry. Had anyone else been guilty of the same mistakes Hillary made no one would even notice. He did a great job painting her as crooked and blaming her for that Libya nonsense and garbage about an email server.
I really dontblame her for Libya all that much. The email server thing she did all by herself and she didnt need any help in that regard because she lied multiple times. But again all presidents lie but that email thing for me was a huge deal.

I get why some hate Trump and that's fine with me. I just wish they could look at everything he does and actually try and be honest with themselves and give him credit for some things because if Obama was president every single thing that Trump has done so far most wouldnt have had a problem with but I blame media for a lot of this because Trump could find a cure for cancer and the media will find a way to knock him for it.

But like I said I think he will surprise people for the better if they keep an open mind. If I'm wrong then I have no problem voting for a better qualified candidate in 4 years.

But democrats should be blaming themselves for rigging their own system against Bernie. I might not care for him but I respect him and it's better to be respected.  I hope they dont go even further to the left in 4 years and come up with someone like Warren because then no matter what barring nuclear war I'll vote for Trump

But lets see what happens. I think he is actually going to fight for the US. I just dont want to see trade wars etc but I think his plan is to be bombastic and then find middle ground. I think he will be willing to work across the aisle a lot after a year or so and I actually dont want republicans going wild and winning super majorities in congress because when 1 party controls everything for too long that never works out for the american people regardless of who is in charge

I'm not sayingthat right now I'm sure I want Warren to be our President, but have you seen her question Betsy DeVos? It's pretty telling that DeVos is unbelievably unqualified to have this position.

So, why did she get it? I think it's a fair question. Has she donated some of large wealth to Republican senators? And if she did, our draining swamp has a serious blockage.
when it comes to these cabinet positions I think a lot of times presidents dont try and get the most qualified person.

So no I dont think she is the most qualified. But I am very pro choice when it comes to schools and am pro charter school. I actually wrote a paper on school choice back at st johns my junior or senior year way back in early 90's. So same thing. I'm willing to give her a shot and if she sucks then get rid of her

But let me give you an example of this qualification thing. My partner at work's niece is ironically one of the Obama's best friends. She and her husband were friends with Michelle and Barack since I think right after college in Chicago. They are lawyers. Both my partner at work and his wife and really the rest of his family are all staunch republicans except for the 1 niece in Chicago. ( btw my partner and his wife flew to chicago one time for I think it might have been passover and Michelle and her daughters were over his nieces house and he said Michelle is one of the nicest people anyone could meet ) anyway after Obama took office he got the nieces husband a really top position ( right below cabinet level ) in a certain sector. ( he had no experience in that sector ) and his boss ( the cabinet member ) had virtually no experience either working in that sector. Everything turned out fine. There werent any major debacles. Ironically his nieces husband ended up leaving the position after several years and took a very high profile job for a publically traded company in that sector later on.

I dont know if someone else could have done a better job. I just know that the person with little hands on expereince from that sector that got the cabinet job didnt do a bad job but he certainly wasnt the most qualified candidate.

So that's why I'm generally willing to give most presidential picks a chance and if they fock up that's on the president for hiring them
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 05, 2017, 03:39:23 PM
. Give the resistance some time to get organized before they make their move to take our country back from this disease of a cabinet.

Yes, quite, the resistance. Will you be personally manning the barricades on the mean streets of Scarsdale? Starting tire fires at the Golden Horseshoe Shopping Center and so on? #OccupyLord&Taylor

I'm concerned about this "take back our country" rhetoric of yours though. Sounds a little suspicious to me. Let me check google.

Oh dear. Bad news I'm afraid, turns out you're a racist:

"You know, people talking about taking their country back. … There's a certain racial component to this ... there's a racial animus."." - Eric Holder

Not only that, but you know who else used the word "diseased" to describe his political opponents? Hitler.
 
"The battle in which we are engaged today is of the same sort as the battle waged, during the last century, by Pasteur and Koch. How many diseases have their origin in the Jewish virus! ... We shall regain our health only be eliminating the Jew.” - Adolf Hitler

Why your reliance on such inflammatory and obviously dog whistle language? If there's another explanation other than you're an antisemitic racist fascist Nazi xenophobic bigot I can't think of one. 


Just to be clear, I'm counting on Trump being killed by his own secret service in the near future. I'm sure that's crossed your mind more than once. That's if he's not impeached first. Let's see if there's a Republican left who hasn't taken Trump's hand and sworn eternal loyalty.
I hope you like Cuba because there is some nice room waiting for you at Gitmo :)

In all seriousness though I think republicans are pretty happy so far. I'm republican but really I guess more of an Independent ( more conservative on financial issues and I'm not talking about whatever the club for growth spews and I'm more a little bit left of center on social issues like being pro choice ) so Tump hasn't done anything yet to piss me off. (he is replacing Scalia so it doesn't really matter to me who he picks for that spot )

Now he could have handled things better on his delivery of some things like the immigration thing for sure and there isn't a doubt in my mind he is going to end up pissing me off in the future over some things especially if he ends up running deficits like GWB and Obama but honestly right now for people like me who are close to the center overall politically I like him shaking up things so far

So, you're a fan of draining the swamp? Let me know when that happens. Trump has been angry about immigration for years starting with crazy shit about Obama not being born in this country. I'm of the logic that says if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
I want the swamp drained then salt put down to ruin it then burned then put a parking lot over it then put some potted plants on top of it..

It's beyond broke. I think you are my age or maybe a little bit over that ( I'll be 47 next week ) and if anyone is 50 or younger the ramifications of what politicians have done to us over the years ( republicans and democrats ) our generation and younger are beyond screwed down the road between the debt and entitlements. ( and I'm not one of the the people who  doesn't want SS or Medicare-Medicaid and the last thing in the world that I want to see if Privatizing SS and see people putting that money in the market ). but they need to be fixed also and I've been saying that for the last 16 years

But it's just a fact. If you look at the numbers of what's looming down the road the younger generations are beyond screwed paying for the fukups of politicians cumulatively over the years

I don't disagree that younger generations will pay for the mistakes of the previous ones. George Bush Jr comes to mind first for some reason.

What I don't understand is why if you want the swamp drained you would support a man that just built a bigger more powerful swamp? Is different better? I'm still waiting for a good decision. Just one good decision, but instead, we see a buffoon who attacks the Pope on Twitter.

Hillary was careless w some emails and maybe she could have done more in Libya, but is that really worth putting a sociopath in office?

Either way, I think we can all agree that the tragic events of the Bowling Green Massacre are a stain on all humanity.
I think GWB is the 2nd worst president in History or at the very least in my lifetime after Carter.

I literally hated him since the debates with Gore and knew right then he was going to be horrible. I voted for Gore and Kerry then McCain

As I said before I like what he has done so far except for his delivery of some things and no I don't believe everything he says or that he says he is going to do. My view on Trump and Washington would probably be best described the game recap that Fun wrote a few games ago and if you look at it just for what he wrote and keep an open mind to it I think it's pretty reasonable

I'll give you 1 example of something that he did that I liked and this was on his first day. Ending the FHA 25 basis point decrease that Obama tried screwing him with only 2 weeks before that ( it hadn't taken affect yet )

Now the media spun it as Trump screwing over the little people. That's nonsense. First of all the FHA had to get bailed out in 2013 I believe. 2nd is this money goes straight to building the reserves for the FHA in case of a housing meltdown again so it's not like the money is being used to fund the rich or somethings. So in essence by building the reserves you are giving the FHA more ability down the road to insure more mortgages.  3rd someone can make the case that wtf are people even putting down to as low as 3.5% of a down payment on mortgages

If anything you can actually argue the other way that Trump being in real estate and his friends being in real estate that this hypothetically could hurt developers because if people can't afford the PMI insurance some of them might be less likely to buy houses

So if anything he was being fiscally prudent with taxpayer money because if all that happens is the FHA builds their reserves that's a good thing for taxpayers

If you don't believe everything that he says, how do you determine what he'll do or won't do? Think Trump knows? He attacked the Pope the other day.
I dont. It's the same way if Hillary was president she'd be lying also. All presidents lie. The key for me is not so much what he lies about it's what he accomplishes as far as policy and after 4 years I see what he has done good and bad and what he is saying he will do for the next 4 years and I evalate that and will determine whether I would vote for him.

I am by no means a lock to vote for Trump in 4 years and there are plenty of things that he could do over the next 4 years that could cause me to not vote for him but like I said before so far he is doing things that I agree with. When it comes to politics I keep an open mind.  If Biden ran in 4 years who knows I could end up voting for him if I was pissed at Trump down the road. But so far he is shaking things up and if someone keeps an open mind and not prejudge him they might see that too. The media wont though. They flat out misrepresent things to fit their narrative. And when GWB was president people said the media was biased but I think he got virtually all the bad press that he deserved

If he starts a nuclear war we could look back at the things he's said about nuclear war and see that he's only doing what he said he'd do. My fear with Trump in office is that he'll do what he says he will do in terms of literally destroying the planet. In terms of creating jobs for poor white people in Michigan, I think if anyone has half a brain, they know he lied to them because he needed them to win the election.

If Trump wants to be given a chance, as much as I'd like to see him beaten to within an inch of his life, there is still time for him to turn it around, but it won't happen until he realizes that he works for the people. Not the other way around. Never before in American history has a President been hated like Trump is now. He did that to himself. It's clear that he's a lunatic because just imagine how much he could have won by had he not acted like an entitled POS?

I will say that I find it amazing how many Trump supporters really believe that Hillary is the antichrist. Had she ever lied? Sure. Like you said, they all lie. They don't all lie every day and make up crazy shit, but the point is taken. Politics isn't an honesty industry. Had anyone else been guilty of the same mistakes Hillary made no one would even notice. He did a great job painting her as crooked and blaming her for that Libya nonsense and garbage about an email server.
I really dontblame her for Libya all that much. The email server thing she did all by herself and she didnt need any help in that regard because she lied multiple times. But again all presidents lie but that email thing for me was a huge deal.

I get why some hate Trump and that's fine with me. I just wish they could look at everything he does and actually try and be honest with themselves and give him credit for some things because if Obama was president every single thing that Trump has done so far most wouldnt have had a problem with but I blame media for a lot of this because Trump could find a cure for cancer and the media will find a way to knock him for it.

But like I said I think he will surprise people for the better if they keep an open mind. If I'm wrong then I have no problem voting for a better qualified candidate in 4 years.

But democrats should be blaming themselves for rigging their own system against Bernie. I might not care for him but I respect him and it's better to be respected.  I hope they dont go even further to the left in 4 years and come up with someone like Warren because then no matter what barring nuclear war I'll vote for Trump

But lets see what happens. I think he is actually going to fight for the US. I just dont want to see trade wars etc but I think his plan is to be bombastic and then find middle ground. I think he will be willing to work across the aisle a lot after a year or so and I actually dont want republicans going wild and winning super majorities in congress because when 1 party controls everything for too long that never works out for the american people regardless of who is in charge

I'm not sayingthat right now I'm sure I want Warren to be our President, but have you seen her question Betsy DeVos? It's pretty telling that DeVos is unbelievably unqualified to have this position.

So, why did she get it? I think it's a fair question. Has she donated some of large wealth to Republican senators? And if she did, our draining swamp has a serious blockage.
when it comes to these cabinet positions I think a lot of times presidents dont try and get the most qualified person.

So no I dont think she is the most qualified. But I am very pro choice when it comes to schools and am pro charter school. I actually wrote a paper on school choice back at st johns my junior or senior year way back in early 90's. So same thing. I'm willing to give her a shot and if she sucks then get rid of her

But let me give you an example of this qualification thing. My partner at work's niece is ironically one of the Obama's best friends. She and her husband were friends with Michelle and Barack since I think right after college in Chicago. They are lawyers. Both my partner at work and his wife and really the rest of his family are all staunch republicans except for the 1 niece in Chicago. ( btw my partner and his wife flew to chicago one time for I think it might have been passover and Michelle and her daughters were over his nieces house and he said Michelle is one of the nicest people anyone could meet ) anyway after Obama took office he got the nieces husband a really top position ( right below cabinet level ) in a certain sector. ( he had no experience in that sector ) and his boss ( the cabinet member ) had virtually no experience either working in that sector. Everything turned out fine. There werent any major debacles. Ironically his nieces husband ended up leaving the position after several years and took a very high profile job for a publically traded company in that sector later on.

I dont know if someone else could have done a better job. I just know that the person with little hands on expereince from that sector that got the cabinet job didnt do a bad job but he certainly wasnt the most qualified candidate.

So that's why I'm generally willing to give most presidential picks a chance and if they fock up that's on the president for hiring them

I'm not against charter schools provided DeVos does not favor them over the rest of our students. I think we can all agree, whether you believe it's because of the amount of people that have fallen hard for Trump's empty manufacturing promises, or because there's a large group of people who only know how to pull a lever, our education needs reform. DeVos has presented nothing at all that leads me to believe that she is interested in improving our education system.

The person who had the job, for whatever reason, has failed. If we're looking for reasons to believe in Trump, I think we should look to what these new faces are really here to do. I also think they have some damn nerve feeling that they are well within in their right to keep that information to themselves. They work for us, and so far, they aren't. So, fair is fair. Trurmp won. Now it's time to get to work making America great again. Let's see what Trump means by that.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 06, 2017, 12:03:08 AM
Congrats to the Falcons - alternative fact ;)
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 09, 2017, 07:43:16 PM
3-0
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 14, 2017, 08:40:33 AM
One down
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: goredmen on February 14, 2017, 11:12:26 AM
One down

Hope you liberals know how to pace yourselves. You still have 7 years and 11 months left of this guy
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Moon Mullen on February 14, 2017, 11:45:40 AM
One down

Hope you liberals know how to pace yourselves. You still have 7 years and 11 months left of this guy

They are like little girls who whine, cry, spit, pull hair, have tantrums and do anything to have the last word
cause they think that makes them the winner.  They don't realize they have already lost, they're liberals.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: goredmen on February 14, 2017, 12:02:58 PM
One down

Hope you liberals know how to pace yourselves. You still have 7 years and 11 months left of this guy

They are like little girls who whine, cry, spit, pull hair, have tantrums and do anything to have the last word
cause they think that makes them the winner.  They don't realize they have already lost, they're liberals.

True. And the media seems to have plenty of energy now after taking the last 8 years off. Could you imagine if they covered Obama and Hillary like this
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Moon Mullen on February 14, 2017, 12:36:30 PM
What media ::)
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 14, 2017, 12:37:40 PM
One down

Hope you liberals know how to pace yourselves. You still have 7 years and 11 months left of this guy

They are like little girls who whine, cry, spit, pull hair, have tantrums and do anything to have the last word
cause they think that makes them the winner.  They don't realize they have already lost, they're liberals.

True. And the media seems to have plenty of energy now after taking the last 8 years off. Could you imagine if they covered Obama and Hillary like this

The media covered Trump holding a meeting that IDK, might have been important in regards to
North Korea's recent behavior at a f'n Florida country club. Oh, but emails. Gee, I seem to recall the media making a shitstorm out of that nonsense.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 14, 2017, 12:41:05 PM
One down

Hope you liberals know how to pace yourselves. You still have 7 years and 11 months left of this guy

They are like little girls who whine, cry, spit, pull hair, have tantrums and do anything to have the last word cause they think that makes them the winner.  They don't realize they have already lost, they're liberals.

You know, ladies might take offense to you speaking about them that way. But I imagine you're still a romantic at heart, and did right by the little lady today. Tell me Mr. Moon Mullin, if we liberals have lost, what is it specifically that you think you've won?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 14, 2017, 12:42:37 PM
What media ::)

The media that caused the first of many to resign. Score one for the resistance.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: goredmen on February 14, 2017, 12:45:23 PM
What media ::)

The media that caused the first of many to resign. Score one for the resistance.

Lol. No matter what the media or "resistance" tries to do there will still be conservatives appointed to the Supreme Court, Obamacare will be ripped to shreds, all of the nonsense "climate change" regulations will be done away with and tax cuts are coming
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: goredmen on February 14, 2017, 12:48:35 PM
One down

Hope you liberals know how to pace yourselves. You still have 7 years and 11 months left of this guy

They are like little girls who whine, cry, spit, pull hair, have tantrums and do anything to have the last word
cause they think that makes them the winner.  They don't realize they have already lost, they're liberals.

True. And the media seems to have plenty of energy now after taking the last 8 years off. Could you imagine if they covered Obama and Hillary like this

The media covered Trump holding a meeting that IDK, might have been important in regards to
North Korea's recent behavior at a f'n Florida country club. Oh, but emails. Gee, I seem to recall the media making a shitstorm out of that nonsense.

I remember when multiple people in the Obama administration lied to the American people over and over again about the Benghazi attacks being caused by a Youtube video. I remember when the Obama administration sold guns to Mexican cartels that wound up killing hundreds of innocent Mexicans and an American border patrol agent. I remember when the Obama administration paid $1.3 billion in a ransom payment to Iran and Valerie Jarrett had to plead the 5th when asked about it by congress. But those types of things aren't big deals unless a Republican does them, right?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on February 14, 2017, 12:59:57 PM
But those types of things aren't big deals unless a Republican does them, right?

Using the powers of the office of President of the United States, Richard M. Nixon, in violation of his constitutional oath faithfully to execute the office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, and in disregard of his constitutional duty to take care that the laws be faithfully executed, has repeatedly engaged in conduct violating the constitutional rights of citizens, impairing the due and proper administration of justice and the conduct of lawful inquiries, or contravening the laws governing agencies of the executive branch and the purposed of these agencies.

This conduct has included one or more of the following:

He has, acting personally and through his subordinates and agents, endeavored to obtain from the Internal Revenue Service, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, confidential information contained in income tax returns for purposed not authorized by law, and to cause, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigations to be initiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner.

Move along, nothing to see here.

Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 14, 2017, 03:29:03 PM
What media ::)

The media that caused the first of many to resign. Score one for the resistance.

Lol. No matter what the media or "resistance" tries to do there will still be conservatives appointed to the Supreme Court, Obamacare will be ripped to shreds, all of the nonsense "climate change" regulations will be done away with and tax cuts are coming

So climate change is nothing more than a liberal conspiracy? Obamacare will probably be ripped to shreds. Maybe it should be provided it's replaced with something better. Will it be? It's too bad that people who otherwise wouldn't have insurance at all will be left with no options. Don't you agree?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 14, 2017, 03:34:27 PM
One down

Hope you liberals know how to pace yourselves. You still have 7 years and 11 months left of this guy

They are like little girls who whine, cry, spit, pull hair, have tantrums and do anything to have the last word
cause they think that makes them the winner.  They don't realize they have already lost, they're liberals.

True. And the media seems to have plenty of energy now after taking the last 8 years off. Could you imagine if they covered Obama and Hillary like this

The media covered Trump holding a meeting that IDK, might have been important in regards to
North Korea's recent behavior at a f'n Florida country club. Oh, but emails. Gee, I seem to recall the media making a shitstorm out of that nonsense.

I remember when multiple people in the Obama administration lied to the American people over and over again about the Benghazi attacks being caused by a Youtube video. I remember when the Obama administration sold guns to Mexican cartels that wound up killing hundreds of innocent Mexicans and an American border patrol agent. I remember when the Obama administration paid $1.3 billion in a ransom payment to Iran and Valerie Jarrett had to plead the 5th when asked about it by congress. But those types of things aren't big deals unless a Republican does them, right?

Benghazi. Jesus. Are you still on with that nonsense?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 14, 2017, 03:40:52 PM
One down

Hope you liberals know how to pace yourselves. You still have 7 years and 11 months left of this guy

They are like little girls who whine, cry, spit, pull hair, have tantrums and do anything to have the last word
cause they think that makes them the winner.  They don't realize they have already lost, they're liberals.

True. And the media seems to have plenty of energy now after taking the last 8 years off. Could you imagine if they covered Obama and Hillary like this

Speaking of time off, guess who just left for his third vacation since taking office?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: goredmen on February 14, 2017, 04:33:57 PM
What media ::)

The media that caused the first of many to resign. Score one for the resistance.

Lol. No matter what the media or "resistance" tries to do there will still be conservatives appointed to the Supreme Court, Obamacare will be ripped to shreds, all of the nonsense "climate change" regulations will be done away with and tax cuts are coming

So climate change is nothing more than a liberal conspiracy? Obamacare will probably be ripped to shreds. Maybe it should be provided it's replaced with something better. Will it be? It's too bad that people who otherwise wouldn't have insurance at all will be left with no options. Don't you agree?

The science behind climate change has already been proven to be manipulated and exaggerated in the words of the scientists themselves.

Yes, I do agree that Obamacare shouldn't be ripped up until something better is in place and so does this administration which is why Obamacare hasn't been repealed yet.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: goredmen on February 14, 2017, 04:35:36 PM
One down

Hope you liberals know how to pace yourselves. You still have 7 years and 11 months left of this guy

They are like little girls who whine, cry, spit, pull hair, have tantrums and do anything to have the last word
cause they think that makes them the winner.  They don't realize they have already lost, they're liberals.

True. And the media seems to have plenty of energy now after taking the last 8 years off. Could you imagine if they covered Obama and Hillary like this

The media covered Trump holding a meeting that IDK, might have been important in regards to
North Korea's recent behavior at a f'n Florida country club. Oh, but emails. Gee, I seem to recall the media making a shitstorm out of that nonsense.

I remember when multiple people in the Obama administration lied to the American people over and over again about the Benghazi attacks being caused by a Youtube video. I remember when the Obama administration sold guns to Mexican cartels that wound up killing hundreds of innocent Mexicans and an American border patrol agent. I remember when the Obama administration paid $1.3 billion in a ransom payment to Iran and Valerie Jarrett had to plead the 5th when asked about it by congress. But those types of things aren't big deals unless a Republican does them, right?

Benghazi. Jesus. Are you still on with that nonsense?

We know you care more about the lives of illegals and refugees more than American lives so it's no wonder you think Benghazi is nonsense. You can't deny they flat out lied about the cause of it. Good job addressing the other stuff in there too that people in the administration straight up lied about and Obama defended them and media went silent.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: goredmen on February 14, 2017, 04:37:08 PM
One down

Hope you liberals know how to pace yourselves. You still have 7 years and 11 months left of this guy

They are like little girls who whine, cry, spit, pull hair, have tantrums and do anything to have the last word
cause they think that makes them the winner.  They don't realize they have already lost, they're liberals.

True. And the media seems to have plenty of energy now after taking the last 8 years off. Could you imagine if they covered Obama and Hillary like this

Speaking of time off, guess who just left for his third vacation since taking office?

LOL. First of all they aren't vacations, Trump works from Florida, he hosted the Japanese PM there. Second of all, an Obama supporter should not be saying anything about anybody taking vacations.

And again, you completely dismissed the actual point I made
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 14, 2017, 05:24:53 PM
What media ::)

The media that caused the first of many to resign. Score one for the resistance.

Lol. No matter what the media or "resistance" tries to do there will still be conservatives appointed to the Supreme Court, Obamacare will be ripped to shreds, all of the nonsense "climate change" regulations will be done away with and tax cuts are coming

So climate change is nothing more than a liberal conspiracy? Obamacare will probably be ripped to shreds. Maybe it should be provided it's replaced with something better. Will it be? It's too bad that people who otherwise wouldn't have insurance at all will be left with no options. Don't you agree?

The science behind climate change has already been proven to be manipulated and exaggerated in the words of the scientists themselves.

Yes, I do agree that Obamacare shouldn't be ripped up until something better is in place and so does this administration which is why Obamacare hasn't been repealed yet.

That's the thing about science, there's math in there. That makes it fact. Not opinion. You can't pray the space ship up to the moon my friend. You need science for that shit.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 14, 2017, 05:25:30 PM
One down

Hope you liberals know how to pace yourselves. You still have 7 years and 11 months left of this guy

They are like little girls who whine, cry, spit, pull hair, have tantrums and do anything to have the last word
cause they think that makes them the winner.  They don't realize they have already lost, they're liberals.

True. And the media seems to have plenty of energy now after taking the last 8 years off. Could you imagine if they covered Obama and Hillary like this

Speaking of time off, guess who just left for his third vacation since taking office?

LOL. First of all they aren't vacations, Trump works from Florida, he hosted the Japanese PM there. Second of all, an Obama supporter should not be saying anything about anybody taking vacations.

And again, you completely dismissed the actual point I made

You haven't made a point yet.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 14, 2017, 05:30:37 PM
One down

Hope you liberals know how to pace yourselves. You still have 7 years and 11 months left of this guy

They are like little girls who whine, cry, spit, pull hair, have tantrums and do anything to have the last word
cause they think that makes them the winner.  They don't realize they have already lost, they're liberals.

True. And the media seems to have plenty of energy now after taking the last 8 years off. Could you imagine if they covered Obama and Hillary like this

The media covered Trump holding a meeting that IDK, might have been important in regards to
North Korea's recent behavior at a f'n Florida country club. Oh, but emails. Gee, I seem to recall the media making a shitstorm out of that nonsense.

I remember when multiple people in the Obama administration lied to the American people over and over again about the Benghazi attacks being caused by a Youtube video. I remember when the Obama administration sold guns to Mexican cartels that wound up killing hundreds of innocent Mexicans and an American border patrol agent. I remember when the Obama administration paid $1.3 billion in a ransom payment to Iran and Valerie Jarrett had to plead the 5th when asked about it by congress. But those types of things aren't big deals unless a Republican does them, right?

Benghazi. Jesus. Are you still on with that nonsense?

We know you care more about the lives of illegals and refugees more than American lives so it's no wonder you think Benghazi is nonsense. You can't deny they flat out lied about the cause of it. Good job addressing the other stuff in there too that people in the administration straight up lied about and Obama defended them and media went silent.

I don't care if they lied. I don't care that they died, either. I would have let them die, too. You're told to get out, get the F out. No American lives should be risked to save those stubborn SOBs. A Navy Seal was killed in Yemen last week, but I suppose that was Hillary's fault, too. I'm sure Trump not taking intelligence briefings has nothing to do with it.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: goredmen on February 14, 2017, 05:31:24 PM
What media ::)

The media that caused the first of many to resign. Score one for the resistance.

Lol. No matter what the media or "resistance" tries to do there will still be conservatives appointed to the Supreme Court, Obamacare will be ripped to shreds, all of the nonsense "climate change" regulations will be done away with and tax cuts are coming

So climate change is nothing more than a liberal conspiracy? Obamacare will probably be ripped to shreds. Maybe it should be provided it's replaced with something better. Will it be? It's too bad that people who otherwise wouldn't have insurance at all will be left with no options. Don't you agree?

The science behind climate change has already been proven to be manipulated and exaggerated in the words of the scientists themselves.

Yes, I do agree that Obamacare shouldn't be ripped up until something better is in place and so does this administration which is why Obamacare hasn't been repealed yet.

That's the thing about science, there's math in there. That makes it fact. Not opinion. You can't pray the space ship up to the moon my friend. You need science for that shit.

It's not fact when they admit they manipulated and exaggerated the data. If Chris Mullin came out and said we're 26-0 would that make it fact?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: goredmen on February 14, 2017, 05:32:20 PM
One down

Hope you liberals know how to pace yourselves. You still have 7 years and 11 months left of this guy

They are like little girls who whine, cry, spit, pull hair, have tantrums and do anything to have the last word
cause they think that makes them the winner.  They don't realize they have already lost, they're liberals.

True. And the media seems to have plenty of energy now after taking the last 8 years off. Could you imagine if they covered Obama and Hillary like this

The media covered Trump holding a meeting that IDK, might have been important in regards to
North Korea's recent behavior at a f'n Florida country club. Oh, but emails. Gee, I seem to recall the media making a shitstorm out of that nonsense.

I remember when multiple people in the Obama administration lied to the American people over and over again about the Benghazi attacks being caused by a Youtube video. I remember when the Obama administration sold guns to Mexican cartels that wound up killing hundreds of innocent Mexicans and an American border patrol agent. I remember when the Obama administration paid $1.3 billion in a ransom payment to Iran and Valerie Jarrett had to plead the 5th when asked about it by congress. But those types of things aren't big deals unless a Republican does them, right?

Benghazi. Jesus. Are you still on with that nonsense?

We know you care more about the lives of illegals and refugees more than American lives so it's no wonder you think Benghazi is nonsense. You can't deny they flat out lied about the cause of it. Good job addressing the other stuff in there too that people in the administration straight up lied about and Obama defended them and media went silent.

I don't care if they lied. I don't care that they died, either. I would have let them die, too.

That's why Trump won and why he will win again in 4 years
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 14, 2017, 05:51:57 PM
What media ::)

The media that caused the first of many to resign. Score one for the resistance.

Lol. No matter what the media or "resistance" tries to do there will still be conservatives appointed to the Supreme Court, Obamacare will be ripped to shreds, all of the nonsense "climate change" regulations will be done away with and tax cuts are coming

So climate change is nothing more than a liberal conspiracy? Obamacare will probably be ripped to shreds. Maybe it should be provided it's replaced with something better. Will it be? It's too bad that people who otherwise wouldn't have insurance at all will be left with no options. Don't you agree?

The science behind climate change has already been proven to be manipulated and exaggerated in the words of the scientists themselves.

Yes, I do agree that Obamacare shouldn't be ripped up until something better is in place and so does this administration which is why Obamacare hasn't been repealed yet.

That's the thing about science, there's math in there. That makes it fact. Not opinion. You can't pray the space ship up to the moon my friend. You need science for that shit.

It's not fact when they admit they manipulated and exaggerated the data. If Chris Mullin came out and said we're 26-0 would that make it fact?

Who manipulated and exaggerated the data? The liberal media? HRC? Funny, that you're bringing up facts. I thought you folks were into those alternative facts. What happened? Now the truth means something?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 14, 2017, 05:54:19 PM
One down

Hope you liberals know how to pace yourselves. You still have 7 years and 11 months left of this guy

They are like little girls who whine, cry, spit, pull hair, have tantrums and do anything to have the last word
cause they think that makes them the winner.  They don't realize they have already lost, they're liberals.

True. And the media seems to have plenty of energy now after taking the last 8 years off. Could you imagine if they covered Obama and Hillary like this

The media covered Trump holding a meeting that IDK, might have been important in regards to
North Korea's recent behavior at a f'n Florida country club. Oh, but emails. Gee, I seem to recall the media making a shitstorm out of that nonsense.

I remember when multiple people in the Obama administration lied to the American people over and over again about the Benghazi attacks being caused by a Youtube video. I remember when the Obama administration sold guns to Mexican cartels that wound up killing hundreds of innocent Mexicans and an American border patrol agent. I remember when the Obama administration paid $1.3 billion in a ransom payment to Iran and Valerie Jarrett had to plead the 5th when asked about it by congress. But those types of things aren't big deals unless a Republican does them, right?

Benghazi. Jesus. Are you still on with that nonsense?

We know you care more about the lives of illegals and refugees more than American lives so it's no wonder you think Benghazi is nonsense. You can't deny they flat out lied about the cause of it. Good job addressing the other stuff in there too that people in the administration straight up lied about and Obama defended them and media went silent.

I don't care if they lied. I don't care that they died, either. I would have let them die, too.

That's why Trump won and why he will win again in 4 years


Yes, the party who did everything they could to stop the Zadroga Act cares about people who serve. What a load of BS. Everyone, even Republicans know full well that Trump doesn't give a shit about anyone who can't help him directly.

Just ask that loser who got captured, John McCain.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on February 14, 2017, 06:15:51 PM
I don't care that they died, either. I would have let them die, too.

Do you care that Hillary's good friend Ambassador Stevens was tortured, sodomized and murdered on the anniversary of 9-11? If so, what upsets you more, that or when that sissy Nurideen Lindsey transferred. 
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 14, 2017, 06:47:36 PM
I don't care that they died, either. I would have let them die, too.

Do you care that Hillary's good friend Ambassador Stevens was tortured, sodomized and murdered on the anniversary of 9-11? If so, what upsets you more, that or when that sissy Nurideen Lindsey transferred. 

I don't care about either anymore.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Gray Chudney on February 14, 2017, 06:58:16 PM
One down

Hope you liberals know how to pace yourselves. You still have 7 years and 11 months left of this guy

They are like little girls who whine, cry, spit, pull hair, have tantrums and do anything to have the last word
cause they think that makes them the winner.  They don't realize they have already lost, they're liberals.

True. And the media seems to have plenty of energy now after taking the last 8 years off. Could you imagine if they covered Obama and Hillary like this

The media covered Trump holding a meeting that IDK, might have been important in regards to
North Korea's recent behavior at a f'n Florida country club. Oh, but emails. Gee, I seem to recall the media making a shitstorm out of that nonsense.

I remember when multiple people in the Obama administration lied to the American people over and over again about the Benghazi attacks being caused by a Youtube video. I remember when the Obama administration sold guns to Mexican cartels that wound up killing hundreds of innocent Mexicans and an American border patrol agent. I remember when the Obama administration paid $1.3 billion in a ransom payment to Iran and Valerie Jarrett had to plead the 5th when asked about it by congress. But those types of things aren't big deals unless a Republican does them, right?

Benghazi. Jesus. Are you still on with that nonsense?

We know you care more about the lives of illegals and refugees more than American lives so it's no wonder you think Benghazi is nonsense. You can't deny they flat out lied about the cause of it. Good job addressing the other stuff in there too that people in the administration straight up lied about and Obama defended them and media went silent.

I don't care if they lied. I don't care that they died, either. I would have let them die, too.

That's why Trump won and why he will win again in 4 years

What media ::)

The media that caused the first of many to resign. Score one for the resistance.

Lol. No matter what the media or "resistance" tries to do there will still be conservatives appointed to the Supreme Court, Obamacare will be ripped to shreds, all of the nonsense "climate change" regulations will be done away with and tax cuts are coming

So climate change is nothing more than a liberal conspiracy? Obamacare will probably be ripped to shreds. Maybe it should be provided it's replaced with something better. Will it be? It's too bad that people who otherwise wouldn't have insurance at all will be left with no options. Don't you agree?

The science behind climate change has already been proven to be manipulated and exaggerated in the words of the scientists themselves.

Yes, I do agree that Obamacare shouldn't be ripped up until something better is in place and so does this administration which is why Obamacare hasn't been repealed yet.

That's the thing about science, there's math in there. That makes it fact. Not opinion. You can't pray the space ship up to the moon my friend. You need science for that shit.

It's not fact when they admit they manipulated and exaggerated the data. If Chris Mullin came out and said we're 26-0 would that make it fact?

There is incontrovertible scientific evidence that climate change is both real and exacerbated by humans. The only published scientists opposing this consensus opinion are those that work for conservative think tanks that are primarily funded by energy industry magnates. 

Please read the book "Dark Money"

Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: goredmen on February 14, 2017, 07:01:45 PM
Who manipulated and exaggerated the data?

If you don't remember the climategate emails from years ago which I'm sure you don't, some of the most influential scientists in Britain admitted in leaked emails that they kept key data out of their reports to support the nonsense. It's easy to find.

One would think this would be a bigger story: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-4192182/World-leaders-duped-manipulated-global-warming-data.html

This nonsense is all being peddled by the same people that in the 1970s said we were going to have another ice age if we didn't act quickly aka handing over more power to the government. At the time this was considered settled science too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kGB5MMIAVA

But hey science has no agenda, right? Oh wait....

A remark from Maurice Strong, who organized the first U.N. Earth Climate Summit (1992) in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil revealed the real goal: “We may get to the point where the only way of saving the world will be for industrialized civilization to collapse.”

Former U.S. Senator Timothy Wirth (D-CO), then representing the Clinton-Gore administration as U.S undersecretary of state for global issues, addressing the same Rio Climate Summit audience, agreed: “We have got to ride the global warming issue. Even if the theory of global warming is wrong, we will be doing the right thing in terms of economic policy and environmental policy.” (Wirth now heads the U.N. Foundation which lobbies for hundreds of billions of U.S. taxpayer dollars to help underdeveloped countries fight climate change.)

Also speaking at the Rio conference, Deputy Assistant of State Richard Benedick, who then headed the policy divisions of the U.S. State Department said: “A global warming treaty [Kyoto] must be implemented even if there is no scientific evidence to back the [enhanced] greenhouse effect.”

In 1988, former Canadian Minister of the Environment, told editors and reporters of the Calgary Herald: “No matter if the science of global warming is all phony…climate change [provides] the greatest opportunity to bring about justice and equality in the world.”

In 1996, former Soviet Union President Mikhail Gorbachev emphasized the importance of using climate alarmism to advance socialist Marxist objectives: “The threat of environmental crisis will be the international disaster key to unlock the New World Order.”

Speaking at the 2000 U.N. Conference on Climate Change in the Hague, former President Jacques Chirac of France explained why the IPCC’s climate initiative supported a key Western European Kyoto Protocol objective: “For the first time, humanity is instituting a genuine instrument of global governance, one that should find a place within the World Environmental Organization which France and the European Union would like to see established.”
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: goredmen on February 14, 2017, 07:03:31 PM
There is incontrovertible scientific evidence that climate change is both real and exacerbated by humans. The only published scientists opposing this consensus opinion are those that work for conservative think tanks that are primarily funded by energy industry magnates. 
Please read the book "Dark Money"

Uhhhh, do you have any idea how much money Al Gore has made by peddling this crap? Not to mention so called green energy companies like Solyndra that have a huge business interest in seeing this myth be thought of as real
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on February 14, 2017, 07:48:51 PM
I don't care that they died, either. I would have let them die, too.

Do you care that Hillary's good friend Ambassador Stevens was tortured, sodomized and murdered on the anniversary of 9-11? If so, what upsets you more, that or when that sissy Nurideen Lindsey transferred. 

I don't care about either anymore.

Yes I know, you're too busy weeping over those poor Syrian refugees to shed another tear, you might dehydrate otherwise.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: goredmen on February 14, 2017, 07:51:46 PM
I don't care that they died, either. I would have let them die, too.

Do you care that Hillary's good friend Ambassador Stevens was tortured, sodomized and murdered on the anniversary of 9-11? If so, what upsets you more, that or when that sissy Nurideen Lindsey transferred. 

I don't care about either anymore.

Yes I know, you're too busy weeping over those poor Syrian refugees to shed another tear, you might dehydrate otherwise.

He only sheds tears for the Syrians when Trump temporarily bans them from entering the country, but was oddly uninterested in them when Obama was dropping bombs on them every 20 minutes
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 14, 2017, 07:54:37 PM
I don't care that they died, either. I would have let them die, too.

Do you care that Hillary's good friend Ambassador Stevens was tortured, sodomized and murdered on the anniversary of 9-11? If so, what upsets you more, that or when that sissy Nurideen Lindsey transferred. 

I don't care about either anymore.

Yes I know, you're too busy weeping over those poor Syrian refugees to shed another tear, you might dehydrate otherwise.

Hey, Steve Jobs is a Syrian refugee. Imagine we chose some meth addicted lever puller over him? Maybe the next Syrian refugee will think of a way to save all of those useless white people who are probably thinking to themselves any day now, any day now the new factories will open.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on February 14, 2017, 08:43:05 PM
There is incontrovertible scientific evidence that climate change is both real and exacerbated by humans. The only published scientists opposing this consensus opinion are those that work for conservative think tanks that are primarily funded by energy industry magnates. 

Utter nonsense. The earth is four billion years old. The industrial revolution is 200 years old. Imagine a string that stretches three miles from where you are now. That is the history of the earth. Turn a quarter on its side and lay it against that string. That is the history of man. Lay a hair atop that quarter. That is the industrial revolution. The belief in man made global warming - sorry, its climate change now - is the belief that that the weight of that hair can have a catastrophic effect on the integrity of that string. It's wrong, it's false and it's controverted by empirical evidence and its the opposite of science.

Question: if the earth is warmer now than ever before and we're all going to die, why are there fossils of prehistoric aquatic reptiles in the polar ice caps? Was it the emissions from Fred Flinstone's SUV?

Question: why is Greenland called Greenland? Was that meant ironically? Perhaps there green ice a thousand years ago. The fact is that the earth is an ice age, the Pleistocene Ice Age, which began 3 million years ago. Which started about three million years before homo sapien invented the thermometer. Which is why no one noticed it before An Inconvenient Truth.

Question: if the only money involved in climate "science" comes from the right, how did former IPCC head R.K. Pachauri become a billionaire? Careful, this one is a trick question.

Question: if the hockey stick is not a fabrication, why did its author have to come up with a "neat trick" to "hide the decline." This one's not a trick, it's rhetorical. Because the answer is obvious.

Environmentalism is a fraud, perpetrated by statists as a pretense for fascism - as an excuse for greater government control of human activity and as a mechanism for the diminution of human liberty and dignity and wrapped up in a bow of moral superiority. The fact is that we are beneficiaries of the warming of the earth, because without it we all would never have existed, not even Tariq Owens, and he's a hell of a shot blocker.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on February 14, 2017, 08:47:33 PM
I don't care that they died, either. I would have let them die, too.

Do you care that Hillary's good friend Ambassador Stevens was tortured, sodomized and murdered on the anniversary of 9-11? If so, what upsets you more, that or when that sissy Nurideen Lindsey transferred. 

I don't care about either anymore.

Yes I know, you're too busy weeping over those poor Syrian refugees to shed another tear, you might dehydrate otherwise.

Hey, Steve Jobs is a Syrian refugee. Imagine we chose some meth addicted lever puller over him? Maybe the next Syrian refugee will think of a way to save all of those useless white people who are probably thinking to themselves any day now, any day now the new factories will open.

Whatever point you think you're making is lost on me, because I don't have a cell phone. What isn't lost on me is that you don't care that people who protected your right to act like a douche on the internet died protecting your freedom to act like a douche on the internet, and I suspect its  not lost on anyone reading this either.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 14, 2017, 09:03:08 PM
I don't care that they died, either. I would have let them die, too.

Do you care that Hillary's good friend Ambassador Stevens was tortured, sodomized and murdered on the anniversary of 9-11? If so, what upsets you more, that or when that sissy Nurideen Lindsey transferred. 

I don't care about either anymore.

Yes I know, you're too busy weeping over those poor Syrian refugees to shed another tear, you might dehydrate otherwise.

Hey, Steve Jobs is a Syrian refugee. Imagine we chose some meth addicted lever puller over him? Maybe the next Syrian refugee will think of a way to save all of those useless white people who are probably thinking to themselves any day now, any day now the new factories will open.

Whatever point you think you're making is lost on me, because I don't have a cell phone. What isn't lost on me is that you don't care that people who protected your right to act like a douche on the internet died protecting your freedom to act like a douche on the internet, and I suspect its  not lost on anyone reading this either.

I'll get my violin
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 14, 2017, 09:11:39 PM
There is incontrovertible scientific evidence that climate change is both real and exacerbated by humans. The only published scientists opposing this consensus opinion are those that work for conservative think tanks that are primarily funded by energy industry magnates. 

Utter nonsense. The earth is four billion years old. The industrial revolution is 200 years old. Imagine a string that stretches three miles from where you are now. That is the history of the earth. Turn a quarter on its side and lay it against that string. That is the history of man. Lay a hair atop that quarter. That is the industrial revolution. The belief in man made global warming - sorry, its climate change now - is the belief that that the weight of that hair can have a catastrophic effect on the integrity of that string. It's wrong, it's false and it's controverted by empirical evidence and its the opposite of science.

Question: if the earth is warmer now than ever before and we're all going to die, why are there fossils of prehistoric aquatic reptiles in the polar ice caps? Was it the emissions from Fred Flinstone's SUV?

Question: why is Greenland called Greenland? Was that meant ironically? Perhaps there green ice a thousand years ago. The fact is that the earth is an ice age, the Pleistocene Ice Age, which began 3 million years ago. Which started about three million years before homo sapien invented the thermometer. Which is why no one noticed it before An Inconvenient Truth.

Question: if the only money involved in climate "science" comes from the right, how did former IPCC head R.K. Pachauri become a billionaire? Careful, this one is a trick question.

Question: if the hockey stick is not a fabrication, why did its author have to come up with a "neat trick" to "hide the decline." This one's not a trick, it's rhetorical. Because the answer is obvious.

Environmentalism is a fraud, perpetrated by statists as a pretense for fascism - as an excuse for greater government control of human activity and as a mechanism for the diminution of human liberty and dignity and wrapped up in a bow of moral superiority. The fact is that we are beneficiaries of the warming of the earth, because without it we all would never have existed, not even Tariq Owens, and he's a hell of a shot blocker.

Jesus will ride in on his dinosaur and set all of this straight.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on February 15, 2017, 09:43:48 AM
I don't care that they died, either. I would have let them die, too.

Do you care that Hillary's good friend Ambassador Stevens was tortured, sodomized and murdered on the anniversary of 9-11? If so, what upsets you more, that or when that sissy Nurideen Lindsey transferred. 

I don't care about either anymore.

Yes I know, you're too busy weeping over those poor Syrian refugees to shed another tear, you might dehydrate otherwise.

Hey, Steve Jobs is a Syrian refugee. Imagine we chose some meth addicted lever puller over him? Maybe the next Syrian refugee will think of a way to save all of those useless white people who are probably thinking to themselves any day now, any day now the new factories will open.

Whatever point you think you're making is lost on me, because I don't have a cell phone. What isn't lost on me is that you don't care that people who protected your right to act like a douche on the internet died protecting your freedom to act like a douche on the internet, and I suspect its  not lost on anyone reading this either.

I'll get my violin

Forget your violin. Go home and get your shine box.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Gray Chudney on February 15, 2017, 10:29:58 AM
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Environmentalism is a fraud, perpetrated by statists as a pretense for fascism - as an excuse for greater government control of human activity and as a mechanism for the diminution of human liberty and dignity and wrapped up in a bow of moral superiority. The fact is that we are beneficiaries of the warming of the earth, because without it we all would never have existed, not even Tariq Owens, and he's a hell of a shot blocker.

This is the exact view of the archlibertarian oligarchs with significant interests in the energy industry; they are responsible for nearly all conservative political financing, which led to the rise of the current fascist regime.  If you don't personally stand to benefit from deregulation of the energy industry, I struggle to see how this view is defensible.  Are you actually suggesting that we are all better off with a rapidly changing climate?  Are the current environmental protection laws restricting your "liberty and dignity" ? 
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on February 15, 2017, 11:53:50 AM
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Environmentalism is a fraud, perpetrated by statists as a pretense for fascism - as an excuse for greater government control of human activity and as a mechanism for the diminution of human liberty and dignity and wrapped up in a bow of moral superiority. The fact is that we are beneficiaries of the warming of the earth, because without it we all would never have existed, not even Tariq Owens, and he's a hell of a shot blocker.

This is the exact view of the archlibertarian oligarchs with significant interests in the energy industry; they are responsible for nearly all conservative political financing, which led to the rise of the current fascist regime.  If you don't personally stand to benefit from deregulation of the energy industry, I struggle to see how this view is defensible.  Are you actually suggesting that we are all better off with a rapidly changing climate?  Are the current environmental protection laws restricting your "liberty and dignity" ? 

In the first place, I don't believe the climate is changing rapidly. To the extent that global temperatures rose after 1900 they rose because the Little Ice Age ended. That's what happens when you emerge from an ice age: it gets warmer, because it was colder. Neither do I believe that human analysis of measurements of temperature in the several hundred years since the invention of the thermometer produce any actionable insight into vast epochal climate shifts that have everything to do with the earth as a rock hurtling in orbit around a giant ball of fiery gas, as opposed to air conditioning and cow flatulence.

I find it passing strange that progressives - the alleged party of science - thinks that the earth should exist as it does today, frozen in time: temperatures should neither rise nor fall; no species that exists today should go extinct, except possibly republicans; lands that are undeveloped should remain so. That seems to me to be the opposite of evolution. What it is really is creationism, where man is substituted for god. Humans create the world they live in and every change to it that occurs in caused by them: hurricanes, blizzards, earthquakes, drought, once force majeure - acts of god - are now caused by the sins of man against Gaia.

In the second place, Trump isn't a fascist, he's a game show host. When he names Bob Barker head of the Gestapo and puts Chuck Woolery in charge of the Luftwaffe, then you can call him a fascist.

In the third place, there certainly are environmental regulations that affect my liberty: CAFE standards for automobiles, for example make cars more expensive and less safe; regulation of coal mining and nuclear plants and drilling for oil make energy more expensive, which in turn makes everything else more expensive and the economy less robust. There's a long list of anti-democratic regulations that affect everyone's lives every day. Consider: I have a stream in my backyard. It flows into another stream that empties into a creek that eventually makes its way to the Hudson River. My stream is now under federal jurisdiction based on regulations enacted by the EPA under the Clean Water Act. That deprives me of my property rights and thereby inhibits my liberty. All of which is pretty frivolous when you consider that the people who international climate regulation really hurts are in those who live in poverty in the third world. Because they're never going to have a stream or electricity for that matter.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 17, 2017, 09:02:53 AM
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Environmentalism is a fraud, perpetrated by statists as a pretense for fascism - as an excuse for greater government control of human activity and as a mechanism for the diminution of human liberty and dignity and wrapped up in a bow of moral superiority. The fact is that we are beneficiaries of the warming of the earth, because without it we all would never have existed, not even Tariq Owens, and he's a hell of a shot blocker.

This is the exact view of the archlibertarian oligarchs with significant interests in the energy industry; they are responsible for nearly all conservative political financing, which led to the rise of the current fascist regime.  If you don't personally stand to benefit from deregulation of the energy industry, I struggle to see how this view is defensible.  Are you actually suggesting that we are all better off with a rapidly changing climate?  Are the current environmental protection laws restricting your "liberty and dignity" ? 

In the first place, I don't believe the climate is changing rapidly. To the extent that global temperatures rose after 1900 they rose because the Little Ice Age ended. That's what happens when you emerge from an ice age: it gets warmer, because it was colder. Neither do I believe that human analysis of measurements of temperature in the several hundred years since the invention of the thermometer produce any actionable insight into vast epochal climate shifts that have everything to do with the earth as a rock hurtling in orbit around a giant ball of fiery gas, as opposed to air conditioning and cow flatulence.

I find it passing strange that progressives - the alleged party of science - thinks that the earth should exist as it does today, frozen in time: temperatures should neither rise nor fall; no species that exists today should go extinct, except possibly republicans; lands that are undeveloped should remain so. That seems to me to be the opposite of evolution. What it is really is creationism, where man is substituted for god. Humans create the world they live in and every change to it that occurs in caused by them: hurricanes, blizzards, earthquakes, drought, once force majeure - acts of god - are now caused by the sins of man against Gaia.

In the second place, Trump isn't a fascist, he's a game show host. When he names Bob Barker head of the Gestapo and puts Chuck Woolery in charge of the Luftwaffe, then you can call him a fascist.

In the third place, there certainly are environmental regulations that affect my liberty: CAFE standards for automobiles, for example make cars more expensive and less safe; regulation of coal mining and nuclear plants and drilling for oil make energy more expensive, which in turn makes everything else more expensive and the economy less robust. There's a long list of anti-democratic regulations that affect everyone's lives every day. Consider: I have a stream in my backyard. It flows into another stream that empties into a creek that eventually makes its way to the Hudson River. My stream is now under federal jurisdiction based on regulations enacted by the EPA under the Clean Water Act. That deprives me of my property rights and thereby inhibits my liberty. All of which is pretty frivolous when you consider that the people who international climate regulation really hurts are in those who live in poverty in the third world. Because they're never going to have a stream or electricity for that matter.

F'n nonsense.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 17, 2017, 09:05:37 AM
If you're angry about tax dollars being spent on something you don't like while there are homeless vets on the street, you may want to read this. It's not fake news. The trips are real and easily documented.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/trump-familys-elaborate-lifestyle-a-logistical-nightmare--at-taxpayer-expense/2017/02/16/763cce8e-f2ce-11e6-a9b0-ecee7ce475fc_story.html?hpid=hp_rhp-banner-main_trumptravel-530pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.a0b73e5fdb19
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Ez_Uzi on February 18, 2017, 06:07:11 AM
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Environmentalism is a fraud, perpetrated by statists as a pretense for fascism - as an excuse for greater government control of human activity and as a mechanism for the diminution of human liberty and dignity and wrapped up in a bow of moral superiority. The fact is that we are beneficiaries of the warming of the earth, because without it we all would never have existed, not even Tariq Owens, and he's a hell of a shot blocker.

This is the exact view of the archlibertarian oligarchs with significant interests in the energy industry; they are responsible for nearly all conservative political financing, which led to the rise of the current fascist regime.  If you don't personally stand to benefit from deregulation of the energy industry, I struggle to see how this view is defensible.  Are you actually suggesting that we are all better off with a rapidly changing climate?  Are the current environmental protection laws restricting your "liberty and dignity" ? 

In the first place, I don't believe the climate is changing rapidly. To the extent that global temperatures rose after 1900 they rose because the Little Ice Age ended. That's what happens when you emerge from an ice age: it gets warmer, because it was colder. Neither do I believe that human analysis of measurements of temperature in the several hundred years since the invention of the thermometer produce any actionable insight into vast epochal climate shifts that have everything to do with the earth as a rock hurtling in orbit around a giant ball of fiery gas, as opposed to air conditioning and cow flatulence.

I find it passing strange that progressives - the alleged party of science - thinks that the earth should exist as it does today, frozen in time: temperatures should neither rise nor fall; no species that exists today should go extinct, except possibly republicans; lands that are undeveloped should remain so. That seems to me to be the opposite of evolution. What it is really is creationism, where man is substituted for god. Humans create the world they live in and every change to it that occurs in caused by them: hurricanes, blizzards, earthquakes, drought, once force majeure - acts of god - are now caused by the sins of man against Gaia.

In the second place, Trump isn't a fascist, he's a game show host. When he names Bob Barker head of the Gestapo and puts Chuck Woolery in charge of the Luftwaffe, then you can call him a fascist.

In the third place, there certainly are environmental regulations that affect my liberty: CAFE standards for automobiles, for example make cars more expensive and less safe; regulation of coal mining and nuclear plants and drilling for oil make energy more expensive, which in turn makes everything else more expensive and the economy less robust. There's a long list of anti-democratic regulations that affect everyone's lives every day. Consider: I have a stream in my backyard. It flows into another stream that empties into a creek that eventually makes its way to the Hudson River. My stream is now under federal jurisdiction based on regulations enacted by the EPA under the Clean Water Act. That deprives me of my property rights and thereby inhibits my liberty. All of which is pretty frivolous when you consider that the people who international climate regulation really hurts are in those who live in poverty in the third world. Because they're never going to have a stream or electricity for that matter.

Just to add to this dialogue - but please do not inform my organization about it :) - environmentalism is a fraud or rather a politically charged crisis narrative meant initially to have the state control the population of the poor. Espoused initially by Malthus, the theory was that agriculture production would rise linearly while population growth would grow exponentially, soon arriving at a time where population would outstrip production leading to massive famines and starvation. It then becomes undoubtedly the role of the state to intervene to set things right (NOT). The theory ignored that human ingenuity, markets, technologies are dynamic, and that is precisely what happened. To give a more recent example, in the 1970s an ecologist (Paul Ehrlich) and an economist (Paul Samuelson) made a bet for $1 in which Ehrlich claimed that by the year 2000 the world would run out of oil and some select minerals. The reality post-facto is the deposits and supply of oil have never been higher (emphasis on supply). The ecologist just does not understand what human agency and market dynamics mean. Malthus has had a pernicious influence in the 1960s and 1970s on the poor on two levels - the vieled sterlization programmes and depriving the poor of the main asset (besides their labor) by criminalizing them as agents of environmental degradation.

Second, agreed with Fun, that the climate is not rapidly changing. The climate is always changing is a better characterization, and the change is always non-linear around a trend. Hence Al Gore's propaganda about global warming (generally a linear representation of rising temps) is just that. For the propaganda to work, the science needs to fit the narrative of the crisis - we are going to die if we dont put a hell lot of money trying to avert disasters that carbon emissions are inflicting upon us, and demonstrate that there is a causal relationship between carbon dioxide and a steady rise in temperatures over time. As Fun says, depending on the time frame one selects it is easy to show warming trends (which get dismissed ir the time frame is expanded over to 200, 500, 1000 or more years).

Why this is important is that in September of 2015, as part of the ring I belong to the Sustainable Development Goals were adopted by the states of the global community to fix the planet for the people. Close to $400 billion dollars were committed for clean energy (read energy companies and look especially into what Al owns in that field) and $20 billion were allocated for poor countries to adapt - shame if there is going to be hell on earth you think for immediate action $20 billion is near enough, while reversing emissions - even if you believe the carbon-temp link - is a longer-term endeavour and the investments can await.

So if you are looking at liberty at the national, local, household and individual levels when specific technology is imposed on you, and then you pay for it through carbon taxes ... it is sort of a double-dividend of getting f****d. Hope this makes sense.

And to seal the deal, listen to the depth of his ideas rather than his comedy per se: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjmtSkl53h4   
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Gray Chudney on February 18, 2017, 08:28:44 AM
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Environmentalism is a fraud, perpetrated by statists as a pretense for fascism - as an excuse for greater government control of human activity and as a mechanism for the diminution of human liberty and dignity and wrapped up in a bow of moral superiority. The fact is that we are beneficiaries of the warming of the earth, because without it we all would never have existed, not even Tariq Owens, and he's a hell of a shot blocker.

This is the exact view of the archlibertarian oligarchs with significant interests in the energy industry; they are responsible for nearly all conservative political financing, which led to the rise of the current fascist regime.  If you don't personally stand to benefit from deregulation of the energy industry, I struggle to see how this view is defensible.  Are you actually suggesting that we are all better off with a rapidly changing climate?  Are the current environmental protection laws restricting your "liberty and dignity" ? 

In the first place, I don't believe the climate is changing rapidly. To the extent that global temperatures rose after 1900 they rose because the Little Ice Age ended. That's what happens when you emerge from an ice age: it gets warmer, because it was colder. Neither do I believe that human analysis of measurements of temperature in the several hundred years since the invention of the thermometer produce any actionable insight into vast epochal climate shifts that have everything to do with the earth as a rock hurtling in orbit around a giant ball of fiery gas, as opposed to air conditioning and cow flatulence.

I find it passing strange that progressives - the alleged party of science - thinks that the earth should exist as it does today, frozen in time: temperatures should neither rise nor fall; no species that exists today should go extinct, except possibly republicans; lands that are undeveloped should remain so. That seems to me to be the opposite of evolution. What it is really is creationism, where man is substituted for god. Humans create the world they live in and every change to it that occurs in caused by them: hurricanes, blizzards, earthquakes, drought, once force majeure - acts of god - are now caused by the sins of man against Gaia.

In the second place, Trump isn't a fascist, he's a game show host. When he names Bob Barker head of the Gestapo and puts Chuck Woolery in charge of the Luftwaffe, then you can call him a fascist.

In the third place, there certainly are environmental regulations that affect my liberty: CAFE standards for automobiles, for example make cars more expensive and less safe; regulation of coal mining and nuclear plants and drilling for oil make energy more expensive, which in turn makes everything else more expensive and the economy less robust. There's a long list of anti-democratic regulations that affect everyone's lives every day. Consider: I have a stream in my backyard. It flows into another stream that empties into a creek that eventually makes its way to the Hudson River. My stream is now under federal jurisdiction based on regulations enacted by the EPA under the Clean Water Act. That deprives me of my property rights and thereby inhibits my liberty. All of which is pretty frivolous when you consider that the people who international climate regulation really hurts are in those who live in poverty in the third world. Because they're never going to have a stream or electricity for that matter.
You just regurgitated billionaire archlibertarian talking points on the subject. You really should read Dark Money. I highly recommend it.

How exactly has the clean water act affected your life despite federal regulation of a stream running through your property? Have you been adversely affected, or is this an abstract infringement?

Automobile inflation is lower than core CPI, so cars are not more expensive than they were when America was great.  Oil prices have been less than 50% of peak levels for over a year; I doubt your life is impacted by elasticity of prices at the pump. Coal is a declining industry even without regulation. And yes, the climate is changing rapidly. the last two calendar years were the warmest ever recorded and the regression line at which Ez_Uzi hinted has a steepening upward slope.

I just don't see enough downside risk to avoid building a regulatory apparatus that seeks to mitigate the effects of climate change.

Enjoy Pruitt. Seems like a man of science with no ethical conflicts.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on February 18, 2017, 10:07:08 AM
You just regurgitated billionaire archlibertarian talking points on the subject.

And you're just a stooge of one world government enviro-fascist apparatchiks. I'm not impressed by ad hominems but if you want to have at it we can. I have to warn you though, I work in swearing like Modigliani worked in limestone.

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You really should read Dark Money. I highly recommend it.

And you should read the Road to Serfdom, but I wouldn't recommend it because I'm not pretentious enough to go around telling people what books to read. I don't give a shit about Dark Money and am no more scared of the Koch brothers and Richard Sciafe than I am of the left's patron saint George Soros, and he collaborated with the Nazis.

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How exactly has the clean water act affected your life despite federal regulation of a stream running through your property? Have you been adversely affected, or is this an abstract infringement?

You can call the taking of my property by the government through fiat an abstraction. But I call it fascism.

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Automobile inflation is lower than core CPI, so cars are not more expensive than they were when America was great.  Oil prices have been less than 50% of peak levels for over a year; I doubt your life is impacted by elasticity of prices at the pump. Coal is a declining industry even without regulation.

I don't care how much cars cost compared to inflation: the fact is that cars are more expensive than they would be otherwise and are less safe than they would be otherwise. Oil is cheap because of lowered demand - because the economy sucks, which I'm quite sure is how the central planners want it, because reduced consumption is better for Gaia - and advances in extraction techniques, including fracking, which you undoubtedly oppose. As for coal, let me quote the the guy who slowed the rise of the oceans and otherwise healed the planet: "If somebody wants to build a coal-fired power plant, they can. It’s just that it will bankrupt them." That doesn't sound like a natural death to me, it sounds like premeditated murder. And as for energy prices, "Under my plan … electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket,” which you're right, these things don't affect me particularly, and maybe not even you, but then I'm a white and upper middle class. It does affect the poor though, about whom the left is always bleating its concern.
 
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And yes, the climate is changing rapidly. the last two calendar years were the warmest ever recorded and the regression line at which Ez_Uzi hinted has a steepening upward slope.

Good grief. In the first place, even using the IPCC's cooked data global temperatures have risen 1.5 degrees since 1880. That's .01 degrees per year for 150 years, which that might be something, but its not "rapid." In the second place, man started recording temperatures in the late 19th century, as an ice age was ending. Of course the temperatures rose, that's how the ice age ends, it gets warmer. If you start taking the temperature in your back year in January and it rises 40 degrees by March if you assume a constant rate of change and extrapolate temperatures from that and its going to be 200 degrees in your backyard by November. Do you see the subtle flaw in that methodology? 



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I just don't see enough downside risk to avoid building a regulatory apparatus that seeks to mitigate the effects of climate change.

Fifty years ago the same scientists who are terrified of global warming were terrified of the coming ice age. The Nixon administration discussed with the Soviet Union building a giant dam across the Bering Sea to keep the cold water out of the Pacific. Russian scientists proposed inundating the polar ice caps with soot to absorb the heat from the sun. These are the dopes who you don't see a downside in allowing to build a regulatory apparatus to mitigate the alleged effects of something that may or may not be happening for reasons no one understands. I on the other hand see a huge downside, because most people are nice persons and most new ideas are bad ideas. That's the problem with central planning: It codifies the stupidity of zealous imbeciles.

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Enjoy Pruitt. Seems like a man of science with no ethical conflicts.

Right, ethical, like Al Gore and RK Pachauri who made millions selling carbon offsets to ameliorate the hysteria they created and got Nobel Prizes for their troubles.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Ez_Uzi on February 18, 2017, 10:29:39 AM
Just two points and one question.

1. Data can be massaged to show almost any corelation. It depends on how data is normalized, the type of regression (linear, log, log linear), what variables are included and whats left out, particularly the complexities of modeling climate system. In the end, its an abstraction. One approach is to revisit the predictions from models and what actually happened ... here the hockey stick looks even more ridiculous.

2. I dont think the debate is simply regulations or no regulations. Some env problems the market is better at handling. See $1 bet above again.

3. So my question is what criteria would you use to select the ideal regulations?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Gray Chudney on February 18, 2017, 10:34:11 AM
You just regurgitated billionaire archlibertarian talking points on the subject.

And you're just a stooge of one world government enviro-fascist apparatchiks. I'm not impressed by ad hominems but if you want to have at it we can. I have to warn you though, I work in swearing like Modigliani worked in limestone.

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You really should read Dark Money. I highly recommend it.

And you should read the Road to Serfdom, but I wouldn't recommend it because I'm not pretentious enough to go around telling people what books to read. I don't give a shit about Dark Money and am no more scared of the Koch brothers and Richard Sciafe than I am of the left's patron saint George Soros, and he collaborated with the Nazis.

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How exactly has the clean water act affected your life despite federal regulation of a stream running through your property? Have you been adversely affected, or is this an abstract infringement?

You can call the taking of my property by the government through fiat an abstraction. But I call it fascism.

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Automobile inflation is lower than core CPI, so cars are not more expensive than they were when America was great.  Oil prices have been less than 50% of peak levels for over a year; I doubt your life is impacted by elasticity of prices at the pump. Coal is a declining industry even without regulation.

I don't care how much cars cost compared to inflation: the fact is that cars are more expensive than they would be otherwise and are less safe than they would be otherwise. Oil is cheap because of lowered demand - because the economy sucks, which I'm quite sure is how the central planners want it, because reduced consumption is better for Gaia - and advances in extraction techniques, including fracking, which you undoubtedly oppose. As for coal, let me quote the the guy who slowed the rise of the oceans and otherwise healed the planet: "If somebody wants to build a coal-fired power plant, they can. It’s just that it will bankrupt them." That doesn't sound like a natural death to me, it sounds like premeditated murder. And as for energy prices, "Under my plan … electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket,” which you're right, these things don't affect me particularly, and maybe not even you, but then I'm a white and upper middle class. It does affect the poor though, about whom the left is always bleating its concern.
 
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And yes, the climate is changing rapidly. the last two calendar years were the warmest ever recorded and the regression line at which Ez_Uzi hinted has a steepening upward slope.

Good grief. In the first place, even using the IPCC's cooked data global temperatures have risen 1.5 degrees since 1880. That's .01 degrees per year for 150 years, which that might be something, but its not "rapid." In the second place, man started recording temperatures in the late 19th century, as an ice age was ending. Of course the temperatures rose, that's how the ice age ends, it gets warmer. If you start taking the temperature in your back year in January and it rises 40 degrees by March if you assume a constant rate of change and extrapolate temperatures from that and its going to be 200 degrees in your backyard by November. Do you see the subtle flaw in that methodology? 



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I just don't see enough downside risk to avoid building a regulatory apparatus that seeks to mitigate the effects of climate change.

Fifty years ago the same scientists who are terrified of global warming were terrified of the coming ice age. The Nixon administration discussed with the Soviet Union building a giant dam across the Bering Sea to keep the cold water out of the Pacific. Russian scientists proposed inundating the polar ice caps with soot to absorb the heat from the sun. These are the dopes who you don't see a downside in allowing to build a regulatory apparatus to mitigate the alleged effects of something that may or may not be happening for reasons no one understands. I on the other hand see a huge downside, because most people are nice persons and most new ideas are bad ideas. That's the problem with central planning: It codifies the stupidity of zealous imbeciles.

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Enjoy Pruitt. Seems like a man of science with no ethical conflicts.

Right, ethical, like Al Gore and RK Pachauri who made millions selling carbon offsets to ameliorate the hysteria they created and got Nobel Prizes for their troubles.


You are a fascinating person.  Maybe we can meet a game someday.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on February 18, 2017, 11:00:28 AM
Just to add to this dialogue - but please do not inform my organization about it :) - environmentalism is a fraud or rather a politically charged crisis narrative meant initially to have the state control the population of the poor.
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The ecologist just does not understand what human agency and market dynamics mean. Malthus has had a pernicious influence in the 1960s and 1970s on the poor on two levels - the vieled sterlization programmes and depriving the poor of the main asset (besides their labor) by criminalizing them as agents of environmental degradation.


To me the most annoying thing about the enviro-left (and the other left) is their sanctimony: they act like they're saving the planet from rapacious hordes of greedy capitalists. But as Carlin said, what they really want is just a nice place to live. They wish to maintain their creature comforts at the expense of those who will never come close to the lifestyle they take for granted. Because poor people - really poor people - don't have the leisure time to worry about it. Whereas airhead Leonardo DiCaprio flies around the world in a private plane making a documentary explaining why people in Somalia can get by without sewage systems and no doubt will get an Oscar for his humanitarianism.

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Second, agreed with Fun, that the climate is not rapidly changing. The climate is always changing is a better characterization, and the change is always non-linear around a trend. Hence Al Gore's propaganda about global warming (generally a linear representation of rising temps) is just that. For the propaganda to work, the science needs to fit the narrative of the crisis - we are going to die if we dont put a hell lot of money trying to avert disasters that carbon emissions are inflicting upon us, and demonstrate that there is a causal relationship between carbon dioxide and a steady rise in temperatures over time. As Fun says, depending on the time frame one selects it is easy to show warming trends (which get dismissed ir the time frame is expanded over to 200, 500, 1000 or more years).

Of course the climate always changing and of course man has an effect on his environment. Aboriginal people destroyed the great american forest with fire and created the Great Plains - certainly that had an effect on the climate and the environment. But so did the Chicxulub impactor. So did the eruption of Mount Tambora. So do solar cycles. Compared to those things cow farts and SUVS are trivialities. It goes to the left's cornerstone idea: that man is perfectible and that perfection is only achievable through the machinations of government. That's what Hitler thought, and Stalin, and Mao, and Pol Pot, and even Barack Obama. One machination might be more benign than the others but the impulse is the same: the limitation of human choice and activity for what the actor perceives to be the greater good. I reject the greater good: I don't think it's identifiable and I don't think the central planners would know how to achieve it even if it were.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Ez_Uzi on February 18, 2017, 11:26:02 AM
Im not very good at the quote function or its some UN infliction Ive contracted.

Mr. Chudney I interact with a number of colleagues that are experts in the climate field, and surmise it to say or that inevitably they are the left, and any debate that remotely questions the methodology (data collection, data preparation, data analysis) is met with a resounding climate denier or big oil cohort retort. The entire idea of science to me is that it is never settled. Otherwise why bother going beyond Newtons laws, theres 99.9% consensus. That in itself is a direct attack on the first amendment or say a liberty. Guess another infliction is that im south asian and highly prolific on quantative side, so hard to pull data manipulation on me. To try to dupe someone feels like an attack on liberty.

There is much more to say but the criteria to select env regulations shouldnt be purely env if i stand to lose human welfare and choice. For example, is it possible to jointly improve env, generate jobs, other social benefits snd growth if it does it better than green energy? And is the decision devolved to the local level to choose between options that achieve the same env impact but at much lower costs? Or should a central, aloof EPA (im not even going to bring up regulatory capture a la solyndra solar scandal) roll out blanket regulations.

These are the narrow confines that i operate in to influence things.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Gray Chudney on February 18, 2017, 01:12:46 PM
Im not very good at the quote function or its some UN infliction Ive contracted.

Mr. Chudney I interact with a number of colleagues that are experts in the climate field, and surmise it to say or that inevitably they are the left, and any debate that remotely questions the methodology (data collection, data preparation, data analysis) is met with a resounding climate denier or big oil cohort retort. The entire idea of science to me is that it is never settled. Otherwise why bother going beyond Newtons laws, theres 99.9% consensus. That in itself is a direct attack on the first amendment or say a liberty. Guess another infliction is that im south asian and highly prolific on quantative side, so hard to pull data manipulation on me. To try to dupe someone feels like an attack on liberty.

There is much more to say but the criteria to select env regulations shouldnt be purely env if i stand to lose human welfare and choice. For example, is it possible to jointly improve env, generate jobs, other social benefits snd growth if it does it better than green energy? And is the decision devolved to the local level to choose between options that achieve the same env impact but at much lower costs? Or should a central, aloof EPA (im not even going to bring up regulatory capture a la solyndra solar scandal) roll out blanket regulations.

These are the narrow confines that i operate in to influence things.

I appreciate your insights and recognize the policy challenges associated with politicization of science.  People are quick to call one another ideologues these days; I can assure you that I was not taking that approach despite putting a quarter in the Fun merry-go-round.

Question: do you think Scott Pruitt is a good choice for EPA head?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Ez_Uzi on February 18, 2017, 01:35:39 PM
In the spirit of your answer, from the policy point of view, the political economy of regulatory capture under previous admin in a centralized setting, the conceptual wisdom and empirical evidence on devolving env decision-making (power), and finally bringing in economic and social criterion to decide which, if any in some cases, regulations make sense, and the implementation of the rule of law ... id say a resounding yes.

To give another related case, the dept of education was established in 1977/8... when inequality in education and income were lowest in the century, and now chart the data to current. Ive not done this study but my hypoyhesis to test is that centralization of edu policy and investments messed things up.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on February 18, 2017, 02:38:23 PM
In the spirit of your answer, from the policy point of view, the political economy of regulatory capture under previous admin in a centralized setting, the conceptual wisdom and empirical evidence on devolving env decision-making (power), and finally bringing in economic and social criterion to decide which, if any in some cases, regulations make sense, and the implementation of the rule of law ... id say a resounding yes.

To give another related case, the dept of education was established in 1977/8... when inequality in education and income were lowest in the century, and now chart the data to current. Ive not done this study but my hypoyhesis to test is that centralization of edu policy and investments messed things up.

Yes, because every government agency should be headed by someone skeptical of the government's powers and right and ability to implement and effect change. The head of the EPA should be wary of the federal government's role in the protection of the environment and the head of education should be skeptical of the public schools ability to educate children and the head of the VA should be skeptical of the government's ability to care for veterans. It's the same reason you wouldn't want John McCain as secretary of state - because he is not skeptical of the expansion of the military industrial complex and the use of force and in fact the opposite. It's the same reason you don't give a drunk the key to liquor cabinet.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Ez_Uzi on February 18, 2017, 11:02:55 PM
In the spirit of your answer, from the policy point of view, the political economy of regulatory capture under previous admin in a centralized setting, the conceptual wisdom and empirical evidence on devolving env decision-making (power), and finally bringing in economic and social criterion to decide which, if any in some cases, regulations make sense, and the implementation of the rule of law ... id say a resounding yes.

To give another related case, the dept of education was established in 1977/8... when inequality in education and income were lowest in the century, and now chart the data to current. Ive not done this study but my hypoyhesis to test is that centralization of edu policy and investments messed things up.

Yes, because every government agency should be headed by someone skeptical of the government's powers and right and ability to implement and effect change. The head of the EPA should be wary of the federal government's role in the protection of the environment and the head of education should be skeptical of the public schools ability to educate children and the head of the VA should be skeptical of the government's ability to care for veterans. It's the same reason you wouldn't want John McCain as secretary of state - because he is not skeptical of the expansion of the military industrial complex and the use of force and in fact the opposite. It's the same reason you don't give a drunk the key to liquor cabinet.

classically hilarious ... If your objective is the conservation of (the top-shelf ... naah any) whiskey in your liquor cabinet, you certainly do not want me in charge. Newsflash: The confirmation of Mr. Uzi for the Head of Alcohol, Tobacco and Narcotics division is unanimously denied by the Senate - citing serious conflict of interest ...

In my work the emphasis I've tried to promote on environmental governance is that the role at the centre should be on coordinating a smart macro enabling framework but that decisions and action should ideally be devolved to the point of empowering communities to make such decisions and enact the protection and improvement of the natural resources that should be under their command. The role of the centre then becomes of coordinating all states to play the same protection game by enacting national laws and policies to enable local levels to move along through their choices. This emphasis is based on the empirical evidence of what happens (in all countries) when regulatory capture runs amok in a centralized setting. It is also based on the conceptual wisdom and further empirical evidence on devolving environmental decision-making and action where it can be tailored to the needs of the context (not all states have the same ecosystem types or environmental priorities, aspirations of communities, local capacities, systems and agencies, and differing costs), and finally that empowering local communities is fundamental for increasing their liberty.

Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 19, 2017, 01:03:51 AM
In the spirit of your answer, from the policy point of view, the political economy of regulatory capture under previous admin in a centralized setting, the conceptual wisdom and empirical evidence on devolving env decision-making (power), and finally bringing in economic and social criterion to decide which, if any in some cases, regulations make sense, and the implementation of the rule of law ... id say a resounding yes.

To give another related case, the dept of education was established in 1977/8... when inequality in education and income were lowest in the century, and now chart the data to current. Ive not done this study but my hypoyhesis to test is that centralization of edu policy and investments messed things up.

Yes, because every government agency should be headed by someone skeptical of the government's powers and right and ability to implement and effect change. The head of the EPA should be wary of the federal government's role in the protection of the environment and the head of education should be skeptical of the public schools ability to educate children and the head of the VA should be skeptical of the government's ability to care for veterans. It's the same reason you wouldn't want John McCain as secretary of state - because he is not skeptical of the expansion of the military industrial complex and the use of force and in fact the opposite. It's the same reason you don't give a drunk the key to liquor cabinet.


We shouldn't give a drunk the key to the liquor cabinet. Instead vote him into Oval Office, because you know, emails and Benghazi and shit smart guy. Keep talking if you enjoy it.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Ez_Uzi on February 19, 2017, 02:09:32 AM
Perhaps you are right. Perhaps Fun's characterization of DJT as a vapid narcissistic chucklehead game show host is somewhat unfair. For me he is a masterful game show host - Steve Lavin's narcissism couldn't hold a candle to his. He was 5 steps ahead when he played CNN (who thought they were playing DJT), where CNN et al ironically had no clue that they were creating a Frankenstein. Where CNN et al and DNC collusion worked was dispatching the mainstream republicans, which they did as they fell like dominoes. Where the collusion headed to failure was in the belief that the erecting of a supposed straw-man named Trump, he would be ripe for defeat.

But lo and behold WikiLeaks exposed not only the DNC (Wasserman fled with her tail between her legs) but also completely discredited major liberal news media (among the electorate that mattered) .. i mean passing on debate questions to HRC??? (and that was just one of the exposés). The bigger pic was and is, is that 90% and 70% of republicans and independents respectively had/have lost faith in mainstream media, so their colluding propaganda machine attempt to dismantle Frankenstein failed because the democratic party in cahoots with a host of dysfunctional government institutions (DOJ, IRS, EPA, DoE, Media, etc etc) failed 8 years following the policies of ... guess who? Those that had/have lost faith are a significant amount of population to easily win the electoral college, and existed outside the bubble that viewed mainstream media.

In turn, the reeling mainstream media now concocts, shamelessly, smear after smear after smear .. yes at one point many may have felt all that BS love for us Muslims. Whereas following the water-gate scandal, and under the leadership of Ronald Reagan, the republican party rejuvenated itself, sadly the democratic party and its loyalists remain deluded, have lost any sense of humor, civility, reasoned analysis and any grasp of the policy debate let alone reality. The same thing applies to the mainstream media and the time maybe ripe for having a good look in the mirror and do some serious soul searching ... because a vibrant democracy needs a rejuvenated democratic party and an independent media, which is not a mouth piece for the left.

Where I do not know Fun's stance but to me Trump is just a face, he is largely the titular head of the emergent Tea Party, and this rise represents the rise of third party politics in the US (even though they cleverly ran under the guise of republicans rather than as independents). To me, this is a positive trend for politics in the US. They have arisen because of both dysfunctional democratic and mainstream republican parties.

Finally at the latest press conference by DJT, while there was all the hoopla about his hysteria and ranting and raving, his objective was to mostly dispatch Clinton News Network over the deep square boundary for a six, and guess what ... he did. That is what a masterful game show host does - he, as in riling of emotions a la Total Recall - controlled exactly what he wanted out of the conference, and the reaction you should have. In conclusion, do not for a second think he does not have exceptional strategists behind the scenes that not only won him the elections but may have saved the country for what I call the completion of the liberal/left project that would have happened over 8 years of HRC rule, which would have meant my life as Winston Smith just got more interesting. ;)
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on February 19, 2017, 07:35:18 AM
In the spirit of your answer, from the policy point of view, the political economy of regulatory capture under previous admin in a centralized setting, the conceptual wisdom and empirical evidence on devolving env decision-making (power), and finally bringing in economic and social criterion to decide which, if any in some cases, regulations make sense, and the implementation of the rule of law ... id say a resounding yes.

To give another related case, the dept of education was established in 1977/8... when inequality in education and income were lowest in the century, and now chart the data to current. Ive not done this study but my hypoyhesis to test is that centralization of edu policy and investments messed things up.

Yes, because every government agency should be headed by someone skeptical of the government's powers and right and ability to implement and effect change. The head of the EPA should be wary of the federal government's role in the protection of the environment and the head of education should be skeptical of the public schools ability to educate children and the head of the VA should be skeptical of the government's ability to care for veterans. It's the same reason you wouldn't want John McCain as secretary of state - because he is not skeptical of the expansion of the military industrial complex and the use of force and in fact the opposite. It's the same reason you don't give a drunk the key to liquor cabinet.


We shouldn't give a drunk the key to the liquor cabinet. Instead vote him into Oval Office, because you know, emails and Benghazi and shit smart guy. Keep talking if you enjoy it.

I enjoy your tears, they're delicious.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on February 19, 2017, 09:18:15 AM
to me Trump is just a face, he is largely the titular head of the emergent Tea Party, and this rise represents the rise of third party politics in the US (even though they cleverly ran under the guise of republicans rather than as independents). To me, this is a positive trend for politics in the US. They have arisen because of both dysfunctional democratic and mainstream republican parties.


Certainly the same discontent that animated the tea party played a role in Clinton's defeat - and that's really what the last election was, it wasn't an exhultation of Trump, it was a repudiation of HRC and everything she stood for - but it was more than anger at the fiscal irresponsibility of big government: it was a reaction to the hubris and condescension of the media-government complex, to the ossification of the agenda of people who think they know better than you what's better for you and that you should bend over and take it for your own good.

And if you don't take it - if you veer from the left's agenda in slightest most benign manner - you will be shamed and slandered and boycotted and destroyed. If you don't want to bake a cake, you're a homophobe. If you think Iranians should be vetted before being given US citizenship, you're a xenophobe. If you wonder why black lives matter more than white lives, you're a racist. If you own a gun you're a domestic terrorist. In short, if you don't believe what I believe you're a deplorable and oh by the way please vote for me. I'm Hillary Rodham Clinton and I approve this message. 

Whereas Trump told the deplorables that that what they thought was important wasn't stupid, that they were getting a raw deal socially and economically, and that they're alleged moral superiors were merely sanctimonious bullies who deserved a punch in the nose, which he gave them, which is why they love him.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Pete88 on February 19, 2017, 10:36:11 AM
to me Trump is just a face, he is largely the titular head of the emergent Tea Party, and this rise represents the rise of third party politics in the US (even though they cleverly ran under the guise of republicans rather than as independents). To me, this is a positive trend for politics in the US. They have arisen because of both dysfunctional democratic and mainstream republican parties.


Certainly the same discontent that animated the tea party played a role in Clinton's defeat - and that's really what the last election was, it wasn't an exhultation of Trump, it was a repudiation of HRC and everything she stood for - but it was more than anger at the fiscal irresponsibility of big government: it was a reaction to the hubris and condescension of the media-government complex, to the ossification of the agenda of people who think they know better than you what's better for you and that you should bend over and take it for your own good.

And if you don't take it - if you veer from the left's agenda in slightest most benign manner - you will be shamed and slandered and boycotted and destroyed. If you don't want to bake a cake, you're a homophobe. If you think Iranians should be vetted before being given US citizenship, you're a xenophobe. If you wonder why black lives matter more than white lives, you're a racist. If you own a gun you're a domestic terrorist. In short, if you don't believe what I believe you're a deplorable and oh by the way please vote for me. I'm Hillary Rodham Clinton and I approve this message. 

Whereas Trump told the deplorables that that what they thought was important wasn't stupid, that they were getting a raw deal socially and economically, and that they're alleged moral superiors were merely sanctimonious bullies who deserved a punch in the nose, which he gave them, which is why they love him.


Pretty much nails it on the head.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 19, 2017, 11:00:02 AM
to me Trump is just a face, he is largely the titular head of the emergent Tea Party, and this rise represents the rise of third party politics in the US (even though they cleverly ran under the guise of republicans rather than as independents). To me, this is a positive trend for politics in the US. They have arisen because of both dysfunctional democratic and mainstream republican parties.


Certainly the same discontent that animated the tea party played a role in Clinton's defeat - and that's really what the last election was, it wasn't an exhultation of Trump, it was a repudiation of HRC and everything she stood for - but it was more than anger at the fiscal irresponsibility of big government: it was a reaction to the hubris and condescension of the media-government complex, to the ossification of the agenda of people who think they know better than you what's better for you and that you should bend over and take it for your own good.

And if you don't take it - if you veer from the left's agenda in slightest most benign manner - you will be shamed and slandered and boycotted and destroyed. If you don't want to bake a cake, you're a homophobe. If you think Iranians should be vetted before being given US citizenship, you're a xenophobe. If you wonder why black lives matter more than white lives, you're a racist. If you own a gun you're a domestic terrorist. In short, if you don't believe what I believe you're a deplorable and oh by the way please vote for me. I'm Hillary Rodham Clinton and I approve this message. 

Whereas Trump told the deplorables that that what they thought was important wasn't stupid, that they were getting a raw deal socially and economically, and that they're alleged moral superiors were merely sanctimonious bullies who deserved a punch in the nose, which he gave them, which is why they love him.


Tell me again how manufacturing is coming back to the states?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Ez_Uzi on February 19, 2017, 11:29:44 AM
 Tell me again how manufacturing is coming back to the states? [/quote]

Sure. While it is not my responsibility to teach you economics, but it is a subject I excel in, especially on the quantitative side. So the first thing you need to understand - and pardon my mild incivility - is why did manufacturing leave the United States?. But to answer this question, we have to turn to economic historians, and they will start by telling you a major flaw in my discipline called the myth of trade liberalism, and the link to economic development. I suggest reading the article below, and you will start to get a sense of why Trump is doing what he is doing.

http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/1996/eirv23n36-19960906/eirv23n36-19960906_016-free_trade_is_an_aberration_not.pdf

The findings in the article above were not new and were re-validated by Ha Joon Chang in 2009. That is, earlier Adam Smith had warned that if English merchants and manufacturers were free to import, export, and invest abroad, it would be they who profit while the English society would be harmed … So he instead argued or believed that English capitalists would like to invest and purchase in their home country, and so if by an “invisible hand” (the only time this terms appears in Wealth of Nations), England would be spared the consequences of economic liberalism. Similarly, David Ricardo, discusses that his theory of comparative advantage would collapse if it were more profitable to the capitalists of England to invest in Portugal for both manufacturing and agriculture … but this would not happen because again he believed that they would feel insecure about capital abroad and that they would be satisfied with lower rate of profits in their own country …

After WWII the economic regime established by the US and Britain … negotiated by Harry Dexter White and John Maynard Keynes … was of the belief that economic sovereignty is a crucial factor in growth. The system they designed was based on capital controls and regulated currencies (I call these smart regulations) in order to protect economic sovereignty (or as Bannon calls it economic nationalism - nationalism because it is not about white nationalism, he means anti globalization), and to permit state intervention to carry out social democratic measures - this is how the stimulus of infrastructure development and repair generates further jobs like FDR did, and then higher revenues can be dedicated for health, education and other social goods. The 25 year period was marked with significant growth and at the end of it the lowest inequality in the history of US. Can it be repeated? Of course it can but here the anamoly is again smart regulations coupled with freer internal markets... Hope this helps.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Ez_Uzi on February 19, 2017, 12:14:03 PM
And if you don't take it - if you veer from the left's agenda in slightest most benign manner - you will be shamed and slandered and boycotted and destroyed. If you don't want to bake a cake, you're a homophobe. If you think Iranians should be vetted before being given US citizenship, you're a xenophobe. If you wonder why black lives matter more than white lives, you're a racist. If you own a gun you're a domestic terrorist. In short, if you don't believe what I believe you're a deplorable and oh by the way please vote for me. I'm Hillary Rodham Clinton and I approve this message.

I bet you Eric Blair is shaking his head in his grave saying, I told you so. I have never in my 30 years in this country, and 50 years in my life witnessed such an utter closing of minds - literally as you suggest even the slightest of incursion into the dominant ideology is violently repelled. I would have never guessed, despite having read 1984 umpteen times that we were 8 years away from where government takes over every aspect of my life, what i believe and who I am ... 8 more years of free trade, rampant illegal immigration, systematized propaganda through corrupted institutions including academia, stripping of liberties to the point of disarming, Newspeak (or politically correct language) that stifles revolt, thought crime (the horrific reality that thought crime did not entail death, thought crime is death), and the lust for pure power ... to make my arrival in Oceania safe. God, Jehovah, Allah help us :)

Perhaps the tea party felt that in Trump they found someone with hard enough skin to withstand the avalanche of avalanches ...

Unless I am recruited into the inner party of Oceania, I am not selling out LOL
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Celtics11 on February 19, 2017, 01:28:02 PM
to me Trump is just a face, he is largely the titular head of the emergent Tea Party, and this rise represents the rise of third party politics in the US (even though they cleverly ran under the guise of republicans rather than as independents). To me, this is a positive trend for politics in the US. They have arisen because of both dysfunctional democratic and mainstream republican parties.


Certainly the same discontent that animated the tea party played a role in Clinton's defeat - and that's really what the last election was, it wasn't an exhultation of Trump, it was a repudiation of HRC and everything she stood for - but it was more than anger at the fiscal irresponsibility of big government: it was a reaction to the hubris and condescension of the media-government complex, to the ossification of the agenda of people who think they know better than you what's better for you and that you should bend over and take it for your own good.

And if you don't take it - if you veer from the left's agenda in slightest most benign manner - you will be shamed and slandered and boycotted and destroyed. If you don't want to bake a cake, you're a homophobe. If you think Iranians should be vetted before being given US citizenship, you're a xenophobe. If you wonder why black lives matter more than white lives, you're a racist. If you own a gun you're a domestic terrorist. In short, if you don't believe what I believe you're a deplorable and oh by the way please vote for me. I'm Hillary Rodham Clinton and I approve this message. 

Whereas Trump told the deplorables that that what they thought was important wasn't stupid, that they were getting a raw deal socially and economically, and that they're alleged moral superiors were merely sanctimonious bullies who deserved a punch in the nose, which he gave them, which is why they love him.

GOAT post
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Marco Baldi on February 19, 2017, 01:58:19 PM
to me Trump is just a face, he is largely the titular head of the emergent Tea Party, and this rise represents the rise of third party politics in the US (even though they cleverly ran under the guise of republicans rather than as independents). To me, this is a positive trend for politics in the US. They have arisen because of both dysfunctional democratic and mainstream republican parties.


Certainly the same discontent that animated the tea party played a role in Clinton's defeat - and that's really what the last election was, it wasn't an exhultation of Trump, it was a repudiation of HRC and everything she stood for - but it was more than anger at the fiscal irresponsibility of big government: it was a reaction to the hubris and condescension of the media-government complex, to the ossification of the agenda of people who think they know better than you what's better for you and that you should bend over and take it for your own good.

And if you don't take it - if you veer from the left's agenda in slightest most benign manner - you will be shamed and slandered and boycotted and destroyed. If you don't want to bake a cake, you're a homophobe. If you think Iranians should be vetted before being given US citizenship, you're a xenophobe. If you wonder why black lives matter more than white lives, you're a racist. If you own a gun you're a domestic terrorist. In short, if you don't believe what I believe you're a deplorable and oh by the way please vote for me. I'm Hillary Rodham Clinton and I approve this message. 

Whereas Trump told the deplorables that that what they thought was important wasn't stupid, that they were getting a raw deal socially and economically, and that they're alleged moral superiors were merely sanctimonious bullies who deserved a punch in the nose, which he gave them, which is why they love him.

GOAT post

Mic drop of the century
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Ez_Uzi on February 19, 2017, 03:06:42 PM
GOAT post

Mic drop of the century


Maybe or maybe another unfortunate victim of Mr. Garvey?

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=VnUCqazDWDQ
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on February 19, 2017, 04:47:49 PM
I bet you Eric Blair is shaking his head in his grave saying, I told you so.

Leftist are so well educated that they think 1984 is about Reagan and Snowball is George Bush.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Ez_Uzi on February 19, 2017, 08:09:18 PM
I bet you Eric Blair is shaking his head in his grave saying, I told you so.

Leftist are so well educated that they think 1984 is about Reagan and Snowball is George Bush.

I remember when Reagan was similarly demonized but as a nuclear holocaust demagogue ... But he used that demonizing propaganda to perfection against the USSR - I'll blow you away like a paper bag, which he did metaphorically, and brought the Berlin wall down literally. He was also demonized to be the great destructor of the US economy. But having inherited near 20% inflation and unemployment rates, he made one of the biggest % reversals this century. Created 16 million (private sector) jobs unlike Obama (take note) has pretty much created public employment, which is to say he cheated.   

Now to say the current administration is even close to the greatness of Reagan, but that Reagan should be a closet hero of any liberal who has lived under any repressive socialist paradises or democrats’ stagflation. And that economically the current administration will far exceed Obamas (lack of) economic achievements. Finally while Reagan’s legacy is intact, Obamas on a slippery slope heading south - but Im sure the broke, male farmer in Iowa is enthralled with the prospects of marrying another broke, male farmer.

It's a holiday in Cambodia, it's tough kid but it's life
Its a holiday in Cambodia, don’t forget to pack your wife

I bet this is what a typical #resist strategic meeting looks like:

https://www.youtube.com/shared?ci=23f2N8Iuj-M

Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 19, 2017, 11:38:44 PM
Tell me again how manufacturing is coming back to the states?


Sure. While it is not my responsibility to teach you economics, but it is a subject I excel in, especially on the quantitative side. So the first thing you need to understand - and pardon my mild incivility - is why did manufacturing leave the United States?. But to answer this question, we have to turn to economic historians, and they will start by telling you a major flaw in my discipline called the myth of trade liberalism, and the link to economic development. I suggest reading the article below, and you will start to get a sense of why Trump is doing what he is doing.

http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/1996/eirv23n36-19960906/eirv23n36-19960906_016-free_trade_is_an_aberration_not.pdf

The findings in the article above were not new and were re-validated by Ha Joon Chang in 2009. That is, earlier Adam Smith had warned that if English merchants and manufacturers were free to import, export, and invest abroad, it would be they who profit while the English society would be harmed … So he instead argued or believed that English capitalists would like to invest and purchase in their home country, and so if by an “invisible hand” (the only time this terms appears in Wealth of Nations), England would be spared the consequences of economic liberalism. Similarly, David Ricardo, discusses that his theory of comparative advantage would collapse if it were more profitable to the capitalists of England to invest in Portugal for both manufacturing and agriculture … but this would not happen because again he believed that they would feel insecure about capital abroad and that they would be satisfied with lower rate of profits in their own country …

After WWII the economic regime established by the US and Britain … negotiated by Harry Dexter White and John Maynard Keynes … was of the belief that economic sovereignty is a crucial factor in growth. The system they designed was based on capital controls and regulated currencies (I call these smart regulations) in order to protect economic sovereignty (or as Bannon calls it economic nationalism - nationalism because it is not about white nationalism, he means anti globalization), and to permit state intervention to carry out social democratic measures - this is how the stimulus of infrastructure development and repair generates further jobs like FDR did, and then higher revenues can be dedicated for health, education and other social goods. The 25 year period was marked with significant growth and at the end of it the lowest inequality in the history of US. Can it be repeated? Of course it can but here the anamoly is again smart regulations coupled with freer internal markets... Hope this helps.
[/quote]

Here's how to answer the question: it's never coming back
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 19, 2017, 11:42:47 PM
And if you don't take it - if you veer from the left's agenda in slightest most benign manner - you will be shamed and slandered and boycotted and destroyed. If you don't want to bake a cake, you're a homophobe. If you think Iranians should be vetted before being given US citizenship, you're a xenophobe. If you wonder why black lives matter more than white lives, you're a racist. If you own a gun you're a domestic terrorist. In short, if you don't believe what I believe you're a deplorable and oh by the way please vote for me. I'm Hillary Rodham Clinton and I approve this message.

I bet you Eric Blair is shaking his head in his grave saying, I told you so. I have never in my 30 years in this country, and 50 years in my life witnessed such an utter closing of minds - literally as you suggest even the slightest of incursion into the dominant ideology is violently repelled. I would have never guessed, despite having read 1984 umpteen times that we were 8 years away from where government takes over every aspect of my life, what i believe and who I am ... 8 more years of free trade, rampant illegal immigration, systematized propaganda through corrupted institutions including academia, stripping of liberties to the point of disarming, Newspeak (or politically correct language) that stifles revolt, thought crime (the horrific reality that thought crime did not entail death, thought crime is death), and the lust for pure power ... to make my arrival in Oceania safe. God, Jehovah, Allah help us :)

Perhaps the tea party felt that in Trump they found someone with hard enough skin to withstand the avalanche of avalanches ...

Unless I am recruited into the inner party of Oceania, I am not selling out LOL

Trump has hard enough skin provided you don't disagree with him.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Ez_Uzi on February 20, 2017, 12:35:35 AM
Tell me again how manufacturing is coming back to the states?


Sure. While it is not my responsibility to teach you economics, but it is a subject I excel in, especially on the quantitative side. So the first thing you need to understand - and pardon my mild incivility - is why did manufacturing leave the United States?. But to answer this question, we have to turn to economic historians, and they will start by telling you a major flaw in my discipline called the myth of trade liberalism, and the link to economic development. I suggest reading the article below, and you will start to get a sense of why Trump is doing what he is doing.

http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/1996/eirv23n36-19960906/eirv23n36-19960906_016-free_trade_is_an_aberration_not.pdf

The findings in the article above were not new and were re-validated by Ha Joon Chang in 2009. That is, earlier Adam Smith had warned that if English merchants and manufacturers were free to import, export, and invest abroad, it would be they who profit while the English society would be harmed … So he instead argued or believed that English capitalists would like to invest and purchase in their home country, and so if by an “invisible hand” (the only time this terms appears in Wealth of Nations), England would be spared the consequences of economic liberalism. Similarly, David Ricardo, discusses that his theory of comparative advantage would collapse if it were more profitable to the capitalists of England to invest in Portugal for both manufacturing and agriculture … but this would not happen because again he believed that they would feel insecure about capital abroad and that they would be satisfied with lower rate of profits in their own country …

After WWII the economic regime established by the US and Britain … negotiated by Harry Dexter White and John Maynard Keynes … was of the belief that economic sovereignty is a crucial factor in growth. The system they designed was based on capital controls and regulated currencies (I call these smart regulations) in order to protect economic sovereignty (or as Bannon calls it economic nationalism - nationalism because it is not about white nationalism, he means anti globalization), and to permit state intervention to carry out social democratic measures - this is how the stimulus of infrastructure development and repair generates further jobs like FDR did, and then higher revenues can be dedicated for health, education and other social goods. The 25 year period was marked with significant growth and at the end of it the lowest inequality in the history of US. Can it be repeated? Of course it can but here the anamoly is again smart regulations coupled with freer internal markets... Hope this helps.

Here's how to answer the question: it's never coming back
[/quote]

Could you provide any evidence on this ... and also on Trump's lack of acquiescence to ideas from others?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Ez_Uzi on February 21, 2017, 01:40:07 PM
I bet you Eric Blair is shaking his head in his grave saying, I told you so.

Leftist are so well educated that they think 1984 is about Reagan and Snowball is George Bush.

Didn't Snowball have an affair with Frida Kahlo ... before being assassinated in Mexico?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on February 23, 2017, 09:18:02 AM
Tell me again how manufacturing is coming back to the states?


Sure. While it is not my responsibility to teach you economics, but it is a subject I excel in, especially on the quantitative side. So the first thing you need to understand - and pardon my mild incivility - is why did manufacturing leave the United States?. But to answer this question, we have to turn to economic historians, and they will start by telling you a major flaw in my discipline called the myth of trade liberalism, and the link to economic development. I suggest reading the article below, and you will start to get a sense of why Trump is doing what he is doing.

http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/1996/eirv23n36-19960906/eirv23n36-19960906_016-free_trade_is_an_aberration_not.pdf

The findings in the article above were not new and were re-validated by Ha Joon Chang in 2009. That is, earlier Adam Smith had warned that if English merchants and manufacturers were free to import, export, and invest abroad, it would be they who profit while the English society would be harmed … So he instead argued or believed that English capitalists would like to invest and purchase in their home country, and so if by an “invisible hand” (the only time this terms appears in Wealth of Nations), England would be spared the consequences of economic liberalism. Similarly, David Ricardo, discusses that his theory of comparative advantage would collapse if it were more profitable to the capitalists of England to invest in Portugal for both manufacturing and agriculture … but this would not happen because again he believed that they would feel insecure about capital abroad and that they would be satisfied with lower rate of profits in their own country …

After WWII the economic regime established by the US and Britain … negotiated by Harry Dexter White and John Maynard Keynes … was of the belief that economic sovereignty is a crucial factor in growth. The system they designed was based on capital controls and regulated currencies (I call these smart regulations) in order to protect economic sovereignty (or as Bannon calls it economic nationalism - nationalism because it is not about white nationalism, he means anti globalization), and to permit state intervention to carry out social democratic measures - this is how the stimulus of infrastructure development and repair generates further jobs like FDR did, and then higher revenues can be dedicated for health, education and other social goods. The 25 year period was marked with significant growth and at the end of it the lowest inequality in the history of US. Can it be repeated? Of course it can but here the anamoly is again smart regulations coupled with freer internal markets... Hope this helps.

Here's how to answer the question: it's never coming back

Could you provide any evidence on this ... and also on Trump's lack of acquiescence to ideas from others?
[/quote]

Common sense. It's not so common. It makes zero sense for a business to significantly increase  their manufacturing costs. Could some improvement be made? Probably. Why hasn't this SOB spent his time working on it? Our poor stupid lower class white people are the people who stand to lose the most.

In terms of Trump listening to ideas from others, if you listen to him when he's asked a question about something as black and white as electoral votes, and he says something that is clearly wrong, he blows it off when he's called out for it. He's a careless, angry child, but I have a feeling that he's gonna get his soon enough.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on March 01, 2017, 07:17:25 PM
Great speech last night. Well, great for that piece of shit. Wonder what they laced his Big Mac with.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 01, 2017, 07:18:42 PM
Great speech last night. Well, great for that piece of shit. Wonder what they laced his Big Mac with.

Liberal tears
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: goredmen on March 01, 2017, 07:47:43 PM
Great speech last night. Well, great for that piece of shit. Wonder what they laced his Big Mac with.

Liberal tears

Isn't it nice to have a President that loves this country again?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Pete88 on March 01, 2017, 07:57:26 PM
Great speech last night. Well, great for that piece of shit. Wonder what they laced his Big Mac with.

Liberal tears

and don't forget the liberal whine, its a vintage year!!
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on March 01, 2017, 07:59:17 PM
Great speech last night. Well, great for that piece of shit. Wonder what they laced his Big Mac with.

Liberal tears

and don't forget the liberal whine, its a vintage year!!

"It's" you dumb shit
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on March 01, 2017, 07:59:45 PM
Great speech last night. Well, great for that piece of shit. Wonder what they laced his Big Mac with.

Liberal tears

Isn't it nice to have a President that loves this country again?

One born every minute.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on March 01, 2017, 08:00:45 PM
Great speech last night. Well, great for that piece of shit. Wonder what they laced his Big Mac with.

Liberal tears

We can get angry, too. And now, we don't have to be sane to buy an automatic weapon.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: goredmen on March 01, 2017, 08:07:58 PM
Great speech last night. Well, great for that piece of shit. Wonder what they laced his Big Mac with.

Liberal tears

We can get angry, too. And now, we don't have to be sane to buy an automatic weapon.

None of you were ever sane to begin with so no real change
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: cjfish on March 01, 2017, 08:08:46 PM
Great speech last night. Well, great for that piece of shit. Wonder what they laced his Big Mac with.

Liberal tears

Isn't it nice to have a President that loves this country again?





The only thing Trump loves is Trump.  I would love to see the man do well as we are all Americans but the odds are slim to none.  Lets review a few basic facts......he wants to spend a trillion on infrastructure and spend significantly  more on the military while cutting taxes and not touching SS and Medicare.  Seems like he flunked math.  The man is a disaster waiting to happen.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Pete88 on March 01, 2017, 08:13:27 PM
Great speech last night. Well, great for that piece of shit. Wonder what they laced his Big Mac with.

Liberal tears

and don't forget the liberal whine, its a vintage year!!

"It's" you dumb shit

LOL, aren't you full of privileged white man anger...
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: goredmen on March 01, 2017, 08:20:57 PM
Great speech last night. Well, great for that piece of shit. Wonder what they laced his Big Mac with.

Liberal tears

and don't forget the liberal whine, its a vintage year!!

"It's" you dumb shit

LOL, aren't you full of privileged white man anger...

How dare you assume his gender
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on March 01, 2017, 09:05:41 PM
Great speech last night. Well, great for that piece of shit. Wonder what they laced his Big Mac with.

Liberal tears

and don't forget the liberal whine, its a vintage year!!

"It's" you dumb shit

LOL, aren't you full of privileged white man anger...

That sentence should end in a question mark. Get some sleep. You've got a lot of deliveries to make tomorrow.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Celtics11 on March 01, 2017, 09:08:44 PM
P eople
O f
I nsane
S enility
O n
N arcotics
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on March 01, 2017, 09:09:21 PM
Great speech last night. Well, great for that piece of shit. Wonder what they laced his Big Mac with.

Liberal tears

Isn't it nice to have a President that loves this country again?





The only thing Trump loves is Trump.  I would love to see the man do well as we are all Americans but the odds are slim to none.  Lets review a few basic facts......he wants to spend a trillion on infrastructure and spend significantly  more on the military while cutting taxes and not touching SS and Medicare.  Seems like he flunked math.  The man is a disaster waiting to happen.

You can't review facts with people who believe his lies. They actually believe him. Also, he recently killed a navy seal in Yemen. Where are the cries for an investigation? Maybe if somehow Hillary was involved?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Celtics11 on March 01, 2017, 09:11:32 PM
Great speech last night. Well, great for that piece of shit. Wonder what they laced his Big Mac with.

Liberal tears

Isn't it nice to have a President that loves this country again?





The only thing Trump loves is Trump.  I would love to see the man do well as we are all Americans but the odds are slim to none.  Lets review a few basic facts......he wants to spend a trillion on infrastructure and spend significantly  more on the military while cutting taxes and not touching SS and Medicare.  Seems like he flunked math.  The man is a disaster waiting to happen.

You can't review facts with people who believe his lies. They actually believe him. Also, he recently killed a navy seal in Yemen. Where are the cries for an investigation? Maybe if somehow Hillary was involved?
she was, she was ducking bullets on the tarmac and then went to see movie where they made fun of the prophet Muhammad.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on March 01, 2017, 09:11:34 PM
P eople
O f
I nsane
S enility
O n
N arcotics

Hey, not bad. But you're the Trump supporter. I might be crazy. Noted. Also, I'm rather proud of it. But you bought the pitch of a career bullshit artist. I'll take crazy over stupid.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Celtics11 on March 01, 2017, 09:13:19 PM
P eople
O f
I nsane
S enility
O n
N arcotics

Hey, not bad. But you're the Trump supporter. I might be crazy. Noted. Also, I'm rather proud of it. But you bought the pitch of a career bullshit artist. I'll take crazy over stupid.
Thanks, I did that one off the top of my head in about 10-15 seconds.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on March 01, 2017, 09:15:23 PM
P eople
O f
I nsane
S enility
O n
N arcotics

Hey, not bad. But you're the Trump supporter. I might be crazy. Noted. Also, I'm rather proud of it. But you bought the pitch of a career bullshit artist. I'll take crazy over stupid.
Thanks, I did that one off the top of my head in about 10-15 seconds.

You should take up reading books. It's like a movie, but inside your head.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Celtics11 on March 01, 2017, 09:17:54 PM
P eople
O f
I nsane
S enility
O n
N arcotics

Hey, not bad. But you're the Trump supporter. I might be crazy. Noted. Also, I'm rather proud of it. But you bought the pitch of a career bullshit artist. I'll take crazy over stupid.
Thanks, I did that one off the top of my head in about 10-15 seconds.

You should take up reading books. It's like a movie, but inside your head.
Matter of fact I belong to a book club and most poke fun of me for it. Thanks, at least you give me credit.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: redstorm212 on March 01, 2017, 09:19:56 PM
I wonder if Trump has ever read a book cover to cover.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: goredmen on March 01, 2017, 09:23:31 PM
Great speech last night. Well, great for that piece of shit. Wonder what they laced his Big Mac with.

Liberal tears

Isn't it nice to have a President that loves this country again?





The only thing Trump loves is Trump.  I would love to see the man do well as we are all Americans but the odds are slim to none.  Lets review a few basic facts......he wants to spend a trillion on infrastructure and spend significantly  more on the military while cutting taxes and not touching SS and Medicare.  Seems like he flunked math.  The man is a disaster waiting to happen.

You can't review facts with people who believe his lies. They actually believe him. Also, he recently killed a navy seal in Yemen. Where are the cries for an investigation? Maybe if somehow Hillary was involved?

The Navy Seal was killed in an operation that was put in motion before Trump took office.

If you want an investigation here surely you want an investigation as to why 30 navy seals were put on an outdated helicopter and told to land somewhere they never landed before when they were shot down and killed, right?

Actually a judge ordered documents from this mission to be turned over but the Obama administration straight up defied those orders. But something tells me this is of no interest to you
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: goredmen on March 01, 2017, 09:24:28 PM
P eople
O f
I nsane
S enility
O n
N arcotics

Hey, not bad. But you're the Trump supporter. I might be crazy. Noted. Also, I'm rather proud of it. But you bought the pitch of a career bullshit artist. I'll take crazy over stupid.

You voted for Hillary and you don't think you bought the bitch of a career bullshit artist?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on March 01, 2017, 10:09:56 PM
P eople
O f
I nsane
S enility
O n
N arcotics

Hey, not bad. But you're the Trump supporter. I might be crazy. Noted. Also, I'm rather proud of it. But you bought the pitch of a career bullshit artist. I'll take crazy over stupid.

You voted for Hillary and you don't think you bought the bitch of a career bullshit artist?

Can't handle a woman as your President? Things are clearing up some. All politicians lie. The lies Hillary has told she told because the American people flat out deserved it. Trump doesn't even realize when he's lying he's been doing it for so long.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on March 01, 2017, 10:12:56 PM
Great speech last night. Well, great for that piece of shit. Wonder what they laced his Big Mac with.

Liberal tears

Isn't it nice to have a President that loves this country again?





The only thing Trump loves is Trump.  I would love to see the man do well as we are all Americans but the odds are slim to none.  Lets review a few basic facts......he wants to spend a trillion on infrastructure and spend significantly  more on the military while cutting taxes and not touching SS and Medicare.  Seems like he flunked math.  The man is a disaster waiting to happen.

You can't review facts with people who believe his lies. They actually believe him. Also, he recently killed a navy seal in Yemen. Where are the cries for an investigation? Maybe if somehow Hillary was involved?

The Navy Seal was killed in an operation that was put in motion before Trump took office.

If you want an investigation here surely you want an investigation as to why 30 navy seals were put on an outdated helicopter and told to land somewhere they never landed before when they were shot down and killed, right?

Actually a judge ordered documents from this mission to be turned over but the Obama administration straight up defied those orders. But something tells me this is of no interest to you

You have a great imagination. Trump killed a navy seal because instead of doing his job he was busy attacking a department store on Twitter. Ask the dead seal's father if he thinks Obama was to blame? What a load of f'n bullshit. Wake the f up if you're even capable.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on March 01, 2017, 10:14:38 PM
I wonder if Trump has ever read a book cover to cover.

How many classes at Penn did he legitimately pass with a 50 word vocabulary?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on March 01, 2017, 10:16:02 PM
P eople
O f
I nsane
S enility
O n
N arcotics

Hey, not bad. But you're the Trump supporter. I might be crazy. Noted. Also, I'm rather proud of it. But you bought the pitch of a career bullshit artist. I'll take crazy over stupid.
Thanks, I did that one off the top of my head in about 10-15 seconds.

You should take up reading books. It's like a movie, but inside your head.
Matter of fact I belong to a book club and most poke fun of me for it. Thanks, at least you give me credit.

Moonshine in your cousin's trailer isn't a book club.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Celtics11 on March 01, 2017, 10:23:04 PM
P eople
O f
I nsane
S enility
O n
N arcotics

Hey, not bad. But you're the Trump supporter. I might be crazy. Noted. Also, I'm rather proud of it. But you bought the pitch of a career bullshit artist. I'll take crazy over stupid.
Thanks, I did that one off the top of my head in about 10-15 seconds.

You should take up reading books. It's like a movie, but inside your head.
Matter of fact I belong to a book club and most poke fun of me for it. Thanks, at least you give me credit.

Moonshine in your cousin's trailer isn't a book club.
I know, that's Tuesday nights.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: goredmen on March 01, 2017, 10:25:11 PM
Great speech last night. Well, great for that piece of shit. Wonder what they laced his Big Mac with.

Liberal tears

Isn't it nice to have a President that loves this country again?





The only thing Trump loves is Trump.  I would love to see the man do well as we are all Americans but the odds are slim to none.  Lets review a few basic facts......he wants to spend a trillion on infrastructure and spend significantly  more on the military while cutting taxes and not touching SS and Medicare.  Seems like he flunked math.  The man is a disaster waiting to happen.

You can't review facts with people who believe his lies. They actually believe him. Also, he recently killed a navy seal in Yemen. Where are the cries for an investigation? Maybe if somehow Hillary was involved?

The Navy Seal was killed in an operation that was put in motion before Trump took office.

If you want an investigation here surely you want an investigation as to why 30 navy seals were put on an outdated helicopter and told to land somewhere they never landed before when they were shot down and killed, right?

Actually a judge ordered documents from this mission to be turned over but the Obama administration straight up defied those orders. But something tells me this is of no interest to you

You have a great imagination. Trump killed a navy seal because instead of doing his job he was busy attacking a department store on Twitter. Ask the dead seal's father if he thinks Obama was to blame? What a load of f'n bullshit. Wake the f up if you're even capable.

I know reading comprehension isn't your strong suit but I didn't blame Obama for that Seal's death. Trump gave the green light for the mission based on the intelligence he received, a lot of which was done before he took office. It turned out to be a bad call by Trump to give this mission the green light but he based it off the intelligence he received. He does have great respect for the military though unlike Wasserman-Schultz and Keith Ellison who refused to stand and applaud a Seal widow. Some party leaders you have there

You did fail to address the deaths of 30 Navy Seals that happened on Obama's watch to which he blocked an investigation. Many of the parents of those Seals blame Obama and only Obama for those deaths.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on March 01, 2017, 10:31:16 PM
Great speech last night. Well, great for that piece of shit. Wonder what they laced his Big Mac with.

Liberal tears

Isn't it nice to have a President that loves this country again?





The only thing Trump loves is Trump.  I would love to see the man do well as we are all Americans but the odds are slim to none.  Lets review a few basic facts......he wants to spend a trillion on infrastructure and spend significantly  more on the military while cutting taxes and not touching SS and Medicare.  Seems like he flunked math.  The man is a disaster waiting to happen.

You can't review facts with people who believe his lies. They actually believe him. Also, he recently killed a navy seal in Yemen. Where are the cries for an investigation? Maybe if somehow Hillary was involved?

The Navy Seal was killed in an operation that was put in motion before Trump took office.

If you want an investigation here surely you want an investigation as to why 30 navy seals were put on an outdated helicopter and told to land somewhere they never landed before when they were shot down and killed, right?

Actually a judge ordered documents from this mission to be turned over but the Obama administration straight up defied those orders. But something tells me this is of no interest to you

You have a great imagination. Trump killed a navy seal because instead of doing his job he was busy attacking a department store on Twitter. Ask the dead seal's father if he thinks Obama was to blame? What a load of f'n bullshit. Wake the f up if you're even capable.

I know reading comprehension isn't your strong suit but I didn't blame Obama for that Seal's death. Trump gave the green light for the mission based on the intelligence he received, a lot of which was done before he took office. It turned out to be a bad call by Trump to give this mission the green light but he based it off the intelligence he received. He does have great respect for the military though unlike Wasserman-Schultz and Keith Ellison who refused to stand and applaud a Seal widow. Some party leaders you have there

You did fail to address the deaths of 30 Navy Seals that happened on Obama's watch to which he blocked an investigation. Many of the parents of those Seals blame Obama and only Obama for those deaths.

I failed to address what? You know this was Obama's fault how? From where? The Daily Stormer?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: goredmen on March 01, 2017, 10:51:35 PM
Great speech last night. Well, great for that piece of shit. Wonder what they laced his Big Mac with.

Liberal tears

Isn't it nice to have a President that loves this country again?





The only thing Trump loves is Trump.  I would love to see the man do well as we are all Americans but the odds are slim to none.  Lets review a few basic facts......he wants to spend a trillion on infrastructure and spend significantly  more on the military while cutting taxes and not touching SS and Medicare.  Seems like he flunked math.  The man is a disaster waiting to happen.

You can't review facts with people who believe his lies. They actually believe him. Also, he recently killed a navy seal in Yemen. Where are the cries for an investigation? Maybe if somehow Hillary was involved?

The Navy Seal was killed in an operation that was put in motion before Trump took office.

If you want an investigation here surely you want an investigation as to why 30 navy seals were put on an outdated helicopter and told to land somewhere they never landed before when they were shot down and killed, right?

Actually a judge ordered documents from this mission to be turned over but the Obama administration straight up defied those orders. But something tells me this is of no interest to you

You have a great imagination. Trump killed a navy seal because instead of doing his job he was busy attacking a department store on Twitter. Ask the dead seal's father if he thinks Obama was to blame? What a load of f'n bullshit. Wake the f up if you're even capable.

I know reading comprehension isn't your strong suit but I didn't blame Obama for that Seal's death. Trump gave the green light for the mission based on the intelligence he received, a lot of which was done before he took office. It turned out to be a bad call by Trump to give this mission the green light but he based it off the intelligence he received. He does have great respect for the military though unlike Wasserman-Schultz and Keith Ellison who refused to stand and applaud a Seal widow. Some party leaders you have there

You did fail to address the deaths of 30 Navy Seals that happened on Obama's watch to which he blocked an investigation. Many of the parents of those Seals blame Obama and only Obama for those deaths.

I failed to address what? You know this was Obama's fault how? From where? The Daily Stormer?

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/05/09/obama-put-a-target-on-their-backs-seal-team-6-family-members-say

Ok so lets get this straight:

When Hillary lies it's ok because the American people deserve it.
When Trump lies it's out of pure malice and he should be impeached.

One Navy Seal dies under Trump's watch, there should be a full fledged investigation.
30 are killed in one incident under Obama's watch, it wasn't Obama's fault and he's justified in blocking any investigation into the matter.

Is that about right?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on March 01, 2017, 10:58:29 PM
Great speech last night. Well, great for that piece of shit. Wonder what they laced his Big Mac with.

Liberal tears

Isn't it nice to have a President that loves this country again?





The only thing Trump loves is Trump.  I would love to see the man do well as we are all Americans but the odds are slim to none.  Lets review a few basic facts......he wants to spend a trillion on infrastructure and spend significantly  more on the military while cutting taxes and not touching SS and Medicare.  Seems like he flunked math.  The man is a disaster waiting to happen.

You can't review facts with people who believe his lies. They actually believe him. Also, he recently killed a navy seal in Yemen. Where are the cries for an investigation? Maybe if somehow Hillary was involved?

The Navy Seal was killed in an operation that was put in motion before Trump took office.

If you want an investigation here surely you want an investigation as to why 30 navy seals were put on an outdated helicopter and told to land somewhere they never landed before when they were shot down and killed, right?

Actually a judge ordered documents from this mission to be turned over but the Obama administration straight up defied those orders. But something tells me this is of no interest to you

You have a great imagination. Trump killed a navy seal because instead of doing his job he was busy attacking a department store on Twitter. Ask the dead seal's father if he thinks Obama was to blame? What a load of f'n bullshit. Wake the f up if you're even capable.

I know reading comprehension isn't your strong suit but I didn't blame Obama for that Seal's death. Trump gave the green light for the mission based on the intelligence he received, a lot of which was done before he took office. It turned out to be a bad call by Trump to give this mission the green light but he based it off the intelligence he received. He does have great respect for the military though unlike Wasserman-Schultz and Keith Ellison who refused to stand and applaud a Seal widow. Some party leaders you have there

You did fail to address the deaths of 30 Navy Seals that happened on Obama's watch to which he blocked an investigation. Many of the parents of those Seals blame Obama and only Obama for those deaths.

I failed to address what? You know this was Obama's fault how? From where? The Daily Stormer?

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/05/09/obama-put-a-target-on-their-backs-seal-team-6-family-members-say

Ok so lets get this straight:

When Hillary lies it's ok because the American people deserve it.
When Trump lies it's out of pure malice and he should be impeached.

One Navy Seal dies under Trump's watch, there should be a full fledged investigation.
30 are killed in one incident under Obama's watch, it wasn't Obama's fault and he's justified in blocking any investigation into the matter.

Is that about right?


Actually, neither deserve an investigation. That was the point I was making, but clearly you missed it. Navy seals die and their families blame the president. That's how it goes. Do the American people deserve an explanation? F no.

The thing is, we know what Hillary is. She's a career politician. You may not like her. That's fine. But she's not making up ridiculous stories and selling them to poor uneducated fools every 5 minutes.

Let me know when coal mining comes back? It's March already. What's taking so long?
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on March 02, 2017, 12:37:23 AM
Sessions. Ruh Roh.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: goredmen on March 02, 2017, 01:02:19 AM
Sessions. Ruh Roh.

You should probably read up on what the situation actually is before getting your hopes up, but why waste a good chance to smear
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Pete88 on March 02, 2017, 08:21:24 AM
Sessions. Ruh Roh.

Another bone for the liberal woof woofs to gnaw on.  They are so cute
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on March 02, 2017, 08:23:44 AM
Sessions. Ruh Roh.

You should probably read up on what the situation actually is before getting your hopes up, but why waste a good chance to smear

Find out what he really did? I already know enough about him to want him out. Sessions himself said that if you lie under oath you should be prosecuted. Remember when the Republicans wasted our money impeaching Bill Clinton? Maybe he should have kept his f'n mouth shut?

Look, it's not so bad, if he resigns he can always go back to the klan. They have so many new members now. It's an exciting time for all of you true native Americans of superior genetics. Go have your fun dancing in the woods.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on March 02, 2017, 08:35:21 AM
Sessions. Ruh Roh.

Another bone for the liberal woof woofs to gnaw on.  They are so cute

You're going to be late for work. The boss doesn't like it when you're late for work.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on March 02, 2017, 09:09:06 AM
HRC is going to be the special prosecutor. Get your popcorn.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Foad on March 02, 2017, 09:15:50 AM
Sessions. Ruh Roh.

Another bone for the liberal woof woofs to gnaw on.  They are so cute

Democrats 1945

"I just have a hunch that Stalin .... doesn’t want anything except security for his own country, and I think that if I give him everything I possibly can and ask nothing from him in return, noblesse oblige, he won’t try to annex anything and will work with me for a world of democracy and peace.” - FDR

Democrats 1980

" The Soviet Union, draped in history, born in a bloody revolution, bound together by a dream that is still being dreamt. The dream of a socialist nation marching toward the world’s first communist state. The Soviet Union — a mighty union. Once the Kremlin was the home of czars. Today it belongs to the people.” - CNN

Democrats: 2011:

"“Gov. Romney ... a few months ago when you were asked what is the biggest geopolitical group facing America, you said Russia. And the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back. Because the Cold War has been over for 20 years."


Deomcrats 2012:

“This is my last election … After my election I have more flexibility.".

“I will transmit this information to Vladimir.”


Democrats 2017

"The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!"
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Pete88 on March 02, 2017, 09:21:11 AM
Sessions. Ruh Roh.

Another bone for the liberal woof woofs to gnaw on.  They are so cute

You're going to be late for work. The boss doesn't like it when you're late for work.

Aww!!! look at the privileged white elitist flexing his bigotry. 
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on March 02, 2017, 09:34:13 AM
Sessions. Ruh Roh.

Another bone for the liberal woof woofs to gnaw on.  They are so cute

You're going to be late for work. The boss doesn't like it when you're late for work.

Aww!!! look at the privileged white elitist flexing his bigotry. 

You keep using words but you do not know what they mean. It's probably too late for you to start over.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Pete88 on March 02, 2017, 09:49:28 AM
Sessions. Ruh Roh.

Another bone for the liberal woof woofs to gnaw on.  They are so cute

Democrats 1945

"I just have a hunch that Stalin .... doesn’t want anything except security for his own country, and I think that if I give him everything I possibly can and ask nothing from him in return, noblesse oblige, he won’t try to annex anything and will work with me for a world of democracy and peace.” - FDR

Democrats 1980

" The Soviet Union, draped in history, born in a bloody revolution, bound together by a dream that is still being dreamt. The dream of a socialist nation marching toward the world’s first communist state. The Soviet Union — a mighty union. Once the Kremlin was the home of czars. Today it belongs to the people.” - CNN

Democrats: 2011:

"“Gov. Romney ... a few months ago when you were asked what is the biggest geopolitical group facing America, you said Russia. And the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back. Because the Cold War has been over for 20 years."


Deomcrats 2012:

“This is my last election … After my election I have more flexibility.".

“I will transmit this information to Vladimir.”


Democrats 2017

"The Russians are coming! The Russians are coming!"

LOL

https://youtu.be/El03KPUeQc4

Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: goredmen on March 02, 2017, 10:32:55 AM
Sessions. Ruh Roh.

You should probably read up on what the situation actually is before getting your hopes up, but why waste a good chance to smear

Find out what he really did? I already know enough about him to want him out. Sessions himself said that if you lie under oath you should be prosecuted. Remember when the Republicans wasted our money impeaching Bill Clinton? Maybe he should have kept his f'n mouth shut?

Look, it's not so bad, if he resigns he can always go back to the klan. They have so many new members now. It's an exciting time for all of you true native Americans of superior genetics. Go have your fun dancing in the woods.

Except there's no evidence right now that he did perjure himself and that all meetings with any Russian ambassadors he had were normal for a member of the Armed Services Committee.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: 96 Schermerhorn Street on March 02, 2017, 10:41:15 AM
Sessions. Ruh Roh.

You should probably read up on what the situation actually is before getting your hopes up, but why waste a good chance to smear

Find out what he really did? I already know enough about him to want him out. Sessions himself said that if you lie under oath you should be prosecuted. Remember when the Republicans wasted our money impeaching Bill Clinton? Maybe he should have kept his f'n mouth shut?

Look, it's not so bad, if he resigns he can always go back to the klan. They have so many new members now. It's an exciting time for all of you true native Americans of superior genetics. Go have your fun dancing in the woods.

Except there's no evidence right now that he did perjure himself and that all meetings with any Russian ambassadors he had were normal for a member of the Armed Services Committee.
That not what he swore too
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: goredmen on March 02, 2017, 10:46:45 AM
Sessions. Ruh Roh.

You should probably read up on what the situation actually is before getting your hopes up, but why waste a good chance to smear

Find out what he really did? I already know enough about him to want him out. Sessions himself said that if you lie under oath you should be prosecuted. Remember when the Republicans wasted our money impeaching Bill Clinton? Maybe he should have kept his f'n mouth shut?

Look, it's not so bad, if he resigns he can always go back to the klan. They have so many new members now. It's an exciting time for all of you true native Americans of superior genetics. Go have your fun dancing in the woods.

Except there's no evidence right now that he did perjure himself and that all meetings with any Russian ambassadors he had were normal for a member of the Armed Services Committee.
That not what he swore too

He swore to the fact that he never met with any Russians about the campaign. As of now there is no evidence that he did
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on March 02, 2017, 10:53:02 AM
Sessions. Ruh Roh.

You should probably read up on what the situation actually is before getting your hopes up, but why waste a good chance to smear

Find out what he really did? I already know enough about him to want him out. Sessions himself said that if you lie under oath you should be prosecuted. Remember when the Republicans wasted our money impeaching Bill Clinton? Maybe he should have kept his f'n mouth shut?

Look, it's not so bad, if he resigns he can always go back to the klan. They have so many new members now. It's an exciting time for all of you true native Americans of superior genetics. Go have your fun dancing in the woods.

Except there's no evidence right now that he did perjure himself and that all meetings with any Russian ambassadors he had were normal for a member of the Armed Services Committee.

Oh, there isn't? We'll see.
Title: Re: St. John's comments on Executive Order on Immigration
Post by: Poison on March 25, 2017, 08:14:44 AM
0-1, shitbag. How long until he completely loses his mind?