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Title: Bashir Ahmed to test NBA Waters
Post by: RedStormNC on April 25, 2017, 06:45:47 PM
 Zach Braziller‏Verified account @NYPost_Brazille 3m3 minutes ago

So Bashir Ahmed is testing NBA waters, Khadeen Carrington isn't. Ahmed wants feedback, plans to return to school im told #sjubb #shbb


Priority # 1 - Improve recklessness
Title: Re: Bashid Ahmed to test NBA Waters
Post by: Poison on April 25, 2017, 06:48:37 PM
Good for him. Go to learn. Get guidance. Let the NBA tell him to stop trying to dribble through an entire team.
Title: Re: Bashid Ahmed to test NBA Waters
Post by: Wods317 on April 25, 2017, 06:59:32 PM
Good for him. Go to learn. Get guidance. Let the NBA tell him to stop trying to dribble through an entire team.

lol agreed. No reason for him not to get feedback from NBA executives
Title: Re: Bashid Ahmed to test NBA Waters
Post by: Moose on April 25, 2017, 07:21:29 PM
Bull in a China shop doesn't work.

But I guess my free advice doesn't involve some NBA visits
Title: Re: Bashid Ahmed to test NBA Waters
Post by: erickthered on April 25, 2017, 07:29:29 PM
One would think his coach, a former front office guy, gold medal winner, and hall of famer would save him the time. But I guess it's good to look at all options.
Title: Re: Bashir Ahmed to test NBA Waters
Post by: Marco Baldi on April 25, 2017, 07:32:27 PM
Dude is uncoachable.
Title: Re: Bashir Ahmed to test NBA Waters
Post by: RedStormNC on April 25, 2017, 07:34:45 PM
Ali B. should sign up for an evaluation too
Title: Re: Bashir Ahmed to test NBA Waters
Post by: Marco Baldi on April 25, 2017, 07:37:58 PM
Ali B. should sign up for an evaluation too

I think Mullin goes to the NBA before any of these players
Title: Re: Bashir Ahmed to test NBA Waters
Post by: mjdinkins on April 25, 2017, 08:43:10 PM
It doesn't particularly hurt anything for him to get feedback.  But, we have two coaches on staff (one who retired in 2001, while the other retired in 2002), who played a combined 30 years in the NBA, with HOF credentials.  We also have a coach on staff who was recently an assistant player development (2014-2015) in the NBA. 

So, why not get advice from those particular staff members?  I'm about to be a bit sarcastic here....  Hell, if they can't give him direction and allow or can't stop him from being reckless, then what he's gonna gain from getting advice from NBA personnel?   
Title: Re: Bashir Ahmed to test NBA Waters
Post by: MCNPA on April 25, 2017, 08:54:46 PM
A guy on the Providence board posters that Ahmed would test draft as well a month or two ago.  Guess he was on the money.  Ahmed will be back though.  No way he stays in draft.  Not bad idea to investigate at his stage of the game...
Title: Re: Bashir Ahmed to test NBA Waters
Post by: Poison on April 25, 2017, 09:03:46 PM
Dude is uncoachable.

I'm not so sure. He forces way too much, but let's see if he learns. He's certainly not getting an NBA contract pulling that crap. All things considered he wasn't a bad first year juco. I give him a solid B.

Guys like Brownlee, Hardy and Scott all made jumps from one year to the next. There is still a newcomer adjustment even if they are juniors.
Title: Re: Bashir Ahmed to test NBA Waters
Post by: mjdinkins on April 25, 2017, 09:15:34 PM
Dude is uncoachable.

I'm not so sure. He forces way too much, but let's see if he learns. He's certainly not getting an NBA contract pulling that crap. All things considered he wasn't a bad first year juco. I give him a solid B.

Guys like Brownlee, Hardy and Scott all made jumps from one year to the next. There is still a newcomer adjustment even if they are juniors.

Brownlee and Hardy did make strides their senior year, but they were also held back by Norm Roberts during their junior season.  It wasn't so much Ahmed's ability, as it was his head, IMO.  I think Ahmed adjusted well from a physical standpoint. 

Of course, he still has things to work on when it comes to things below the neck.  It's above the neck that probably needs more of a fine-tuning.  If he changes his mental game, then he will automatically be a better player his senior campaign. 
Title: Re: Bashir Ahmed to test NBA Waters
Post by: Marillac on April 25, 2017, 09:25:17 PM
Dude is uncoachable.

That is a quite an indictment for a kid we've seen play just one year and is, by all accounts, a great teammate.
Title: Re: Bashir Ahmed to test NBA Waters
Post by: Johnny23 on April 25, 2017, 09:47:52 PM
LOL good one.  Ahmed has a long way to go just to be a good BE player, forget NBA.
Title: Re: Bashir Ahmed to test NBA Waters
Post by: Wods317 on April 25, 2017, 10:09:44 PM
LOL good one.  Ahmed has a long way to go just to be a good BE player, forget NBA.

I don't see anyone could possibly have an issue with this. NBA has the best talent evaluators in the world. Why not let them tell you some things you can work on. It does nothing but benefit Bashir and he will come back next year. He doesn't think he's getting drafted.
Title: Re: Bashir Ahmed to test NBA Waters
Post by: Johnny23 on April 25, 2017, 10:13:08 PM
LOL good one.  Ahmed has a long way to go just to be a good BE player, forget NBA.

I don't see anyone could possibly have an issue with this. NBA has the best talent evaluators in the world. Why not let them tell you some things you can work on. It does nothing but benefit Bashir and he will come back next year. He doesn't think he's getting drafted.

Sure as long as that's his thinking then it's constructive.
Title: Re: Bashir Ahmed to test NBA Waters
Post by: NYCoffey on April 25, 2017, 10:15:19 PM
Dude is uncoachable.
So was Mo Mo
Title: Re: Bashir Ahmed to test NBA Waters
Post by: QuanMan on April 26, 2017, 12:44:42 AM
LOL good one.  Ahmed has a long way to go just to be a good BE player, forget NBA.

I don't see anyone could possibly have an issue with this. NBA has the best talent evaluators in the world. Why not let them tell you some things you can work on. It does nothing but benefit Bashir and he will come back next year. He doesn't think he's getting drafted.

+1000

Heading into his senior year he receives constructive criticism and works on his weaknesses all Summer with Mullin, who obviously gave this his blessing.
Title: Re: Bashir Ahmed to test NBA Waters
Post by: Wods317 on April 26, 2017, 09:43:36 AM
LOL good one.  Ahmed has a long way to go just to be a good BE player, forget NBA.

I don't see anyone could possibly have an issue with this. NBA has the best talent evaluators in the world. Why not let them tell you some things you can work on. It does nothing but benefit Bashir and he will come back next year. He doesn't think he's getting drafted.

Sure as long as that's his thinking then it's constructive.

I don't claim to be in the know but I still have a few connections on campus and it seems like Bash is just looking for some feedback on his game.
Title: Re: Bashir Ahmed to test NBA Waters
Post by: newsman13 on April 26, 2017, 09:52:30 AM
LOL good one.  Ahmed has a long way to go just to be a good BE player, forget NBA.

I don't see anyone could possibly have an issue with this. NBA has the best talent evaluators in the world. Why not let them tell you some things you can work on. It does nothing but benefit Bashir and he will come back next year. He doesn't think he's getting drafted.

Sure as long as that's his thinking then it's constructive.

I don't claim to be in the know but I still have a few connections on campus and it seems like Bash is just looking for some feedback on his game.
He's doing his job and looking out for his future.  I'm sure he's getting great feedback from our coaches who spent decades in the NBA...but what's wrong with extra opinions?
Title: Re: Bashir Ahmed to test NBA Waters
Post by: we are sju on April 26, 2017, 10:52:53 AM
I think Ahmed's conversation with people in the NBA would be similar to below conversation:

Ty Webb: [to Al Czervik] Hey, don't put yourself down. You're not, uh... you're not... you're not good. You stink.
Title: Re: Bashir Ahmed to test NBA Waters
Post by: Marillac on April 26, 2017, 11:11:47 AM
This is good. They will tell him he has the size and shooting ability but his only chance to play in the league is if he becomes a shutdown defender and + rebounder. He can only be a three and D guy.
Title: Re: Bashir Ahmed to test NBA Waters
Post by: we are sju on April 26, 2017, 11:15:16 AM
Or he will shoot every time he touches the ball next year instead of every other time.
Title: Re: Bashir Ahmed to test NBA Waters
Post by: carmineabbatiello on April 26, 2017, 11:57:33 AM
He was better, stylistically, at the end of the season than in the beginning.  Why won't he be better next year than he was this year?
Title: Re: Bashir Ahmed to test NBA Waters
Post by: ras on April 26, 2017, 12:09:07 PM
He was better, stylistically, at the end of the season than in the beginning.  Why won't he be better next year than he was this year?
Furthermore, w the addition of Simon and Clark, competition for PT will be tougher. If he plays selfish or out of control, he will be benched more.
Title: Re: Bashir Ahmed to test NBA Waters
Post by: braintrust on April 28, 2017, 07:21:20 PM
Hopefully the "shoot when its in my hands" mentality will be slowed by the coaches. All season, the coaches talked about a core group of guys who always had the green light to shoot. Just because you have the green light doesn't mean you have to throw up chucks that lead to easy fastbreak baskets for the other guys.

Bash has to play like a high IQ Senior. We play so much better when we move the ball around.
Title: Re: Bashir Ahmed to test NBA Waters
Post by: Marillac on April 28, 2017, 08:38:56 PM
The staff tasked Bash with creating and carrying a big scoring load. He was the only guy over 6'1 that could score.

Title: Re: Bashir Ahmed to test NBA Waters
Post by: Wods317 on May 18, 2017, 01:02:13 PM
Bash just posted on social media how he can't wait for next season so looks like he is back as well thought he would be.
Title: Re: Bashir Ahmed to test NBA Waters
Post by: Marillac on May 18, 2017, 09:38:25 PM
I'm looking forward to his second year. I'm sure the NBA told him he needs to be a defensive stopper if he is to have any chance. Maybe our own Marco Baldi can work with him there...nobody can halt a run of positive posts and energy like him.
Title: Re: Bashir Ahmed to test NBA Waters
Post by: Poison on May 18, 2017, 11:09:14 PM
I'm looking forward to his second year. I'm sure the NBA told him he needs to be a defensive stopper if he is to have any chance. Maybe our own Marco Baldi can work with him there...nobody can halt a run of positive posts and energy like him.

Actually he needs to be a center. If he can pull that off, he deserves to be drafted.
Title: Re: Bashir Ahmed to test NBA Waters
Post by: QuanMan on May 22, 2017, 09:43:58 AM
Jeff Borzello‏Verified account @jeffborzello  4m4 minutes ago
More
 St. John's forward Bashir Ahmed is expected to withdraw from the NBA Draft and return to school, sources told ESPN. 13.4 PPG, 5.5 RPG.

He's going to be a monster next year.
Title: Re: Bashir Ahmed to test NBA Waters
Post by: Celtics11 on May 22, 2017, 01:19:49 PM
Jeff Borzello‏Verified account @jeffborzello  4m4 minutes ago
More
 St. John's forward Bashir Ahmed is expected to withdraw from the NBA Draft and return to school, sources told ESPN. 13.4 PPG, 5.5 RPG.

He's going to be a monster next year.
For Halloween?  ;) :)
Title: Re: Bashir Ahmed to test NBA Waters
Post by: desco80 on May 23, 2017, 04:19:37 PM
Ahmed has a good skill set, guy just needs to embrace "playmaking". 
If you drive and draw 2 or 3 defenders ... somebody else is open!   

That, and use his body more on defense and to box out.  He's a big kid, but he plays as if he's in Mussini's body.
Title: Re: Bashir Ahmed to test NBA Waters
Post by: Marillac on May 24, 2017, 10:48:41 AM
Ahmed has a good skill set, guy just needs to embrace "playmaking". 
If you drive and draw 2 or 3 defenders ... somebody else is open!   

That, and use his body more on defense and to box out.  He's a big kid, but he plays as if he's in Mussini's body.

The second part is the key for him this season. If Ahmed, Clark, Wilson, and Simon focus on  defense and being relentless on the glass, nobody will want to play us.