6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on November 13, 2017, 07:39:06 PM
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http://www.ccsubluedevils.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/roster
Coming to Queens 0-2, with losses @ Hartford and @ Rutgers. Reports are that Donyell Marshall will not coach the game tomorrow for the Blue Devils.
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We are 24.5 point favs
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We are 24.5 point favs
That sounds insane. Line should be 15.
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http://nypost.com/2017/11/13/st-johns-has-reason-to-believe-but-biggest-problem-remains/
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The NY Post article is spot on.
I think we’ll win 82-57. I like what Clark said about recognizing a problem, accepting ownership of it and then working with Owens on how to solve it. That’s leadership.
In terms of Yakwe and Alibegovic, let’s see if we can find something positive. Anything.
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Lost to Rutgers by only 4. Doubt we are covering the 24.5 point spread
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The NY Post article is spot on.
I think we’ll win 82-57. I like what Clark said about recognizing a problem, accepting ownership of it and then working with Owens on how to solve it. That’s leadership.
In terms of Yakwe and Alibegovic, let’s see if we can find something positive. Anything.
At this point, I give up on Amar. Last game he took 2 shots , both 3 pointers. He has shown no desireto play inside. Yakwe is an enigma, because he had a good freshman year.
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I give up on Amar. Last game he took 2 shots , both 3 pointers. He has shown no desireto play inside.
Do you think the players go out on the court and stand wherever they want?
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I give up on Amar. Last game he took 2 shots , both 3 pointers. He has shown no desireto play inside.
Do you think the players go out on the court and stand wherever they want?
Do you think Amar doesn’t?
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I give up on Amar. Last game he took 2 shots , both 3 pointers. He has shown no desireto play inside.
Do you think the players go out on the court and stand wherever they want?
Do you think Amar doesn’t?
Amar is fantastic 12th man type. Not his fault he is our 9th man!
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CCSU is a small team that we match up with very well. I expect us to out-rebound them, but I hope the team doesn't see that as a problem solved heading into the Nebraska game. We need to carry our weight OOC to help out the conference.
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I give up on Amar. Last game he took 2 shots , both 3 pointers. He has shown no desireto play inside.
Do you think the players go out on the court and stand wherever they want?
Do you think Amar doesn’t?
Right, I think he doesn't. I think that because I heard Mullin tell him to "stay out of the middle" on the telly last year during a time out. And also because I assume that if he disobeyed the coaches instructions he wouldn't play. That doesn't excuse his failure to rebound, but it explains why he stands at the three point line.
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I give up on Amar. Last game he took 2 shots , both 3 pointers. He has shown no desireto play inside.
Do you think the players go out on the court and stand wherever they want?
I want to believe
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I think they cover the spread tonight...
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I give up on Amar. Last game he took 2 shots , both 3 pointers. He has shown no desireto play inside.
Do you think the players go out on the court and stand wherever they want?
Do you think Amar doesn’t?
Amar is fantastic 12th man type. Not his fault he is our 9th man!
He is 6’9 and over 230 pounds. He isn’t a terrible athlete. He could serve a use. Him on scholarship the way he is allowed to play is terrible.
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I give up on Amar. Last game he took 2 shots , both 3 pointers. He has shown no desireto play inside.
Do you think the players go out on the court and stand wherever they want?
Do you think Amar doesn’t?
Amar is fantastic 12th man type. Not his fault he is our 9th man!
He is 6’9 and over 230 pounds. He isn’t a terrible athlete. He could serve a use. Him on scholarship the way he is allowed to play is terrible.
His success is entirely on him. He needs to pay attention to what he should be doing on defense but the only thing he does with conviction is spot up for a three pointer that he misses at a high clip. He’s a senior now, and I don’t care how limited he is as an athlete, he can still understand what he should be doing on a given play.
I thought his ceiling was Donald Emanuel, and that guy took his lumps before he became a 3 point shooting senior center off the bench who could also board. He didn’t have a wonderful career start to finish but he did finally put it all together and he became a key role player as a senior for a tournament team.
Is that too much to ask for Ali B?
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Sloppy start. No defense, either.
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Crafty finish there by Ponds for a potential "And 1."
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Too much dribbling by LoVett. Nice shot by Owens. If he can hit that 12'-15' foot jumper with any consistency, then it could open things up for him.
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Simon with the trey.
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We're forcing turnovers, but we're still giving up too many open looks.
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I like the rotation. Or lack of it. We have 5 good players. Let them play.
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Some good ball movement, so far, from our group.
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Dumb play by Ahmed. Continue to work the ball around.
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Terrible shot from Ahmed
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Trimble with back-to-back treys.
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I think Ahmed is playing well overall. Loved that drive and kick out to Clark. He doesn’t need to force it. I think as the season goes on he’ll realize that sharing the ball works better.
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Trimble has a quick and very nice looking shot. Confidence too. I love it.
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Our defense looks bad most of the time. CCSU is horrendous and aren't taking advantage. Even a bad big 10 team like Nebraska will make it hurt
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Trimble has a quick and very nice looking shot. Confidence too. I love it.
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Big and strong also. I like him
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Clark almost "brought the house down" with a missed dunk tip-in.
By the way, Trimble can stroke it! Thank you, Leonard Hamilton.
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Trimble plays w/ confidence.
Yakwe can't even get a touch.
Looks like a new 3rd walk-on sitting on bench. Short white kid
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Trimble plays w/ confidence.
Yakwe can't even get a touch.
I wished we had Hasahn French.
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43-27 at the half, Johnnies.
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43-27 at the half, Johnnies.
This Connecticut team sucks
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43-27 at the half, Johnnies.
This Connecticut team sucks
Frankly, I think the one in Storrs will also suck.
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Their center has 10 pts, 4 rebs
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Simon nearly had a double-double (10 points & 8 boards) in the first half.
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Rebounding was a big problem for St. John's against New Orleans. They're currently winning the battle 16-13. Bute, who has 10 to lead Central Connecticut, is their tallest starter at 6'9". #sjubb
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43-27 at the half, Johnnies.
This Connecticut team sucks
Frankly, I think the one in Storrs will also suck.
I hate uconn, like u hate Georgetown
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43-27 at the half, Johnnies.
This Connecticut team sucks
Frankly, I think the one in Storrs will also suck.
I hate uconn, like u hate Georgetown
Haha! +1
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Don't want to put the mush on him, but Trimble is off to the best shooting start I've ever seen at St. John's. 8-9 from three through the exhibitions and games. If he can hang around 40% and give us two a game that really helps.
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I give up on Amar. Last game he took 2 shots , both 3 pointers. He has shown no desireto play inside.
Do you think the players go out on the court and stand wherever they want?
Do you think Amar doesn’t?
Amar is fantastic 12th man type. Not his fault he is our 9th man!
He's good to spill between a media timeout a game. (4 min)
If he plays 6 min it's probably -3 points (a sloppy soft and 1 foul with bucket)
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Don't want to put the mush on him, but Trimble is off to the best shooting start I've ever seen at St. John's. 8-9 from three through the exhibitions and games. If he can hang around 40% and give us two a game that really helps.
If he can be similar to Myles Powell for Seton Hall that would be tremendous freshman year.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4065816/myles-powell
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4 fouls on us with 17:19 remaining in the game.
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Crappy defense to start the half. CCU is steadily chipping away. 48-37, Johnnies with 16 minutes remaining.
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Don't want to put the mush on him, but Trimble is off to the best shooting start I've ever seen at St. John's. 8-9 from three through the exhibitions and games. If he can hang around 40% and give us two a game that really helps.
If he can be similar to Myles Powell for Seton Hall that would be tremendous freshman year.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4065816/myles-powell
Powell is the second best player on SH IMO so I don't think that is a very fair comp, but I'd gladly take it. Trimble is confident and, so far, he's done a great job getting the puppies set. That's half the battle.
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We're fouling virtually every, trip down the floor now.
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Coach could take a timeout. We are playing 0 defense
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Better defense the past three possessions.
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Nice, ball movement there. 65-46, Johnnies under 10 mins.
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Better defense the past three possessions.
Yes ponds and Simon were good
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This team is lethal from outside.
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Simon came down a bit awkwardly there. I hope he's alright. Simon stuffs the stat sheet.
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Simon's first of many double doubles.
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You better be careful, as a big, about putting the ball on the floor around our guards.
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We have guy back on dance teams
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An Amar sighting.
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Yakwe and Amar are lost on D.
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An Amar sighting.
And he misses a 3
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An Amar sighting.
And he misses a 3
It was halfway down, though. lol
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Yakwe and Amar are lost on D.
They are both awful.
I'd rather have Trimble take all of their minutes and take our chances.
If Yakwe can't produce anything for himself against a tesm like this with the minutes he got, we should not expect anything more the rest of year.
I think he's gone next season.
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We're missing FT's now. Amar with the smart tap out after the miss.
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Ali B actually stuck his legs out to defend on the in bounds w/ 30 sec left.
Looked ridiculous
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Wow that was an ugly game.
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To be fair, I thought Yakwe worked hard defensively. He boxed out, switched on pick and rolls and fought to get back to his man. Actually thought he played better than Owens, and didn't see much of Clark in the second half.
Like you guys have said, Ali is a 12th man who is forced to play the role of the 9th man.
AhMEd continues to be AhMEd, can't spell Ahmed without ME. I'd rather see Trimble take his minutes. The three headed backcourt is serious. Those guys will not miss two open shots in a row.
Sluggish game, but its a W, hopefully they were thinking about Nebraska.
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Bad interior D. Look at the numbers from their starting bigs.
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To be fair, I thought Yakwe worked hard defensively. He boxed out, switched on pick and rolls and fought to get back to his man. Actually thought he played better than Owens, and didn't see much of Clark in the second half.
Like you guys have said, Ali is a 12th man who is forced to play the role of the 9th man.
AhMEd continues to be AhMEd, can't spell Ahmed without ME. I'd rather see Trimble take his minutes. The three headed backcourt is serious. Those guys will not miss two open shots in a row.
Sluggish game, but its a W, hopefully they were thinking about Nebraska.
There was a gaudy big run in the first half (20-2?) and a similar one in the second half. Yakwe was on the floor for both. It isn't always about stats.
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We really don't get much out of playing teams like this, other than giving Trimble a chance to play and letting Clark and Simon shake off some of the rust and get acclimated to playing with Ponds and LoVett. This team plays only in spurts, and they lose their focus when they get up 20 or so. I know it's early, but it seems the team plays better when Ponds and LoVett are not on the court together -- it's clear that our defense is better when they're not both on the floor. Both have to pick up their defensive intensity.
It will interesting to see how we look against Nebraska, a team with legit big 10 size and decent talent.
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Nebraska will be a real test, have some interior strength.
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I liked the small lineup of Ponds, LoVett, Simon, Trimble and Yakwe.
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I missed the game, but how does Lovett play 30+ mins and not get to the free throw line? Did CC play zone the whole game?
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Yakwe has no offensive move when he posts up. I wonder if he’s considered practicing one of those?
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Zach B
Top 20 sophomore Nate Tabor form Long Island was a visitor for St. John's win tonight .#sjubb
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Nebraska will be a real test, have some interior strength.
If we have to sweat that game out in the final minutes it will be a very long season for us
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You better be careful, as a big, about putting the ball on the floor around our guards.
I'd enjoy, your posts, more, if you used, more, commas, because commas, make reading, easier. No, seriously, english, as a second language, you should, study, it.
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Couple of times when we had huge leads the guards took the foot off the gas and specifically tried to get Yawke involved offensively, via the post or otherwise. His play, by and large, the past two years is baffling when compared to what we saw from him as a freshman, when he wasn't supposed to be ready to play.
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Lovett was off offensively in the first half. Picked it up in the second. Both him and Ponds were looking to move the ball and create for others at times, and frankly Lovett was able to free himself for open looks that he didn't go to the rim as much as normal.
I missed the game, but how does Lovett play 30+ mins and not get to the free throw line? Did CC play zone the whole game?
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Justin Simon is shooting 1.000% from three this season.
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Ali B actually stuck his legs out to defend on the in bounds w/ 30 sec left.
Looked ridiculous
Appreciate your input but maybe as important a player as Alibegowitch deserves his own thread? You could discuss his shortcomings at length there and have a back and forth about his positives and negatives and ridiculousnesses and so forth. Because he's a critical player moving forward. Personally I'm hoping he stays for another year or red shirts. What do you say?
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Owens has been very disappointing. 6 and 5 against CCSU? Their center went for 19 and 9 in his second d-1 game. He hasn't gotten better at all and he's running into his own teammates this year.
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Ali B actually stuck his legs out to defend on the in bounds w/ 30 sec left.
Looked ridiculous
Appreciate your input but maybe as important a player as Alibegowitch deserves his own thread? You could discuss his shortcomings at length there and have a back and forth about his positives and negatives and ridiculousnesses and so forth. Because he's a critical player moving forward. Personally I'm hoping he stays for another year or red shirts. What do you say?
I'd much prefer to read your bigeastboards.com post game analysis, ovservations, notes & misc facts. :)
Post game quotes
http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/111417aaa.html
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Ponds is ridiculous. Harrison was the best rebounding guard ive seen at sju. He was.
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I really enjoy watching all our guards. Ponds, Lovett, Simon & Trimble. That's a good squad.
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I really enjoy watching all our guards. Ponds, Lovett, Simon & Trimble. That's a good squad.
The first three are obvious, but Trimble is better than he looks. He looks like he spent all summer sitting on the couch eating potato chips. And maybe he did, but even with a belly he’s still good. Imagine what kind of player he could be if he got into shape if he’s able to play while out of shape.
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Not a bad game overall. Lovett and Ponds make a nice duo as we all know. Simon seems like a glue guy. Does a little bit of everything. Defends, rebounds, passes and scores. Clark has to foul less and rebound more. Yakwe had a lot of energy and good body language, but wasn’t too productive. Trimble is strong and an excellent shooter. Plays well for an early season freshman. Going to be a nice 4 year player. Owens and Bash were OK , but would like to get a little more out of them. Amar can sit on the bench and cheer. Our defense is improving and I like our ball movement.
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Marcus and Shamorie truly are among the nation's best backcourts, sprinkle in Justin's athleticism and we have a formiddable tandem capable of big things all Winter. Justin is a welcomed addition, just what the doctor ordered. You can see why Malik left now.
Marcus in particular is so polished offensively, it's undersung through two games on this site, the guy is excellent.
It's the complimentary pieces that need to deliver Thursday night. Sign Greg Williams tomorrow, pick up a major D1 victory Thursday, and we have some real momentum heading into Orlando next week.
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Ponds is ridiculous. Harrison was the best rebounding guard ive seen at sju. He was.
What about Kennedy?
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I really enjoy watching all our guards. Ponds, Lovett, Simon & Trimble. That's a good squad.
The first three are obvious, but Trimble is better than he looks. He looks like he spent all summer sitting on the couch eating potato chips. And maybe he did, but even with a belly he’s still good. Imagine what kind of player he could be if he got into shape if he’s able to play while out of shape.
hes the best defensive guard after simon
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http://dalydoseofhoops.blogspot.com/2017/11/simon-posts-double-double-ponds-goes.html
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Ponds is ridiculous. Harrison was the best rebounding guard ive seen at sju. He was.
Hatten.
Rebounding from the guard position is a great indicator of instincts for the game. It's almost always a great sign out a guard.
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Poorly attended. 2k is being generous. Hopefully free food and games at Taffner will bring some people out on Thurs.
Walden's a human highlight reel. He's worth more than the price of admission alone.
Trimble sighting.
Clark sat seemingly the entire second half and finished with only 17 minutes. He's off a long layoff and needs work. He should have been allowed to foul out. I hope that's all it was.
61 and 55 from these non Bcs conference teams is an encouraging trend. Keeping opponents in the 50's and 60's would be a winning formula for us with our big O.
Been enjoying the new dumpling house across the street. Location location location.
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Yawke is going to be awful again.
Just give him the role of rebounder and have forget about offense
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Just find some guy from the playgrounds and he'll give better minutes than Yakwe. Non-factor in every way.
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This team is a Justin Brownlee/Burrell, hell even Orlando Sanchez away from being top 3 in the BE. It's too bad we have Yakwe and Alibegovic wasting minutes at the 5.
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Alibegovic obviously has this year to leave some kind of mark on this program. Rebound young man. That’s all we want. He did have 3 in 5 minutes of play. So, he did improve.
Yakwe is a better defender in the zone. He can’t stay with anyone defensively. It seems he’s learned no post up moves or if he has, he isn’t comfortable making any of them. Why is he posting up if he won’t try to score? He has no plan for when he gets the ball. No instincts and he isn’t being taught.
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CCSU recap: http://www.bigeastboards.com/
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Ponds is ridiculous. Harrison was the best rebounding guard ive seen at sju. He was.
What about Kennedy?
A great rebounding forward.
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Ponds is ridiculous. Harrison was the best rebounding guard ive seen at sju. He was.
Hatten.
Rebounding from the guard position is a great indicator of instincts for the game. It's almost always a great sign out a guard.
I’ll take Ponds. And abolsutley, his instincts are off the charts.
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Alibegovic obviously has this year to leave some kind of mark on this program. Rebound young man. That’s all we want. He did have 3 in 5 minutes of play. So, he did improve.
Yakwe is a better defender in the zone. He can’t stay with anyone defensively. It seems he’s learned no post up moves or if he has, he isn’t comfortable making any of them. Why is he posting up if he won’t try to score? He has no plan for when he gets the ball. No instincts and he isn’t being taught.
I give up on Amar. If hes going to camp out at the 3 point line , we dont need him. Not even a good 3 point shooter. Despite the height difference Id rather see Trimble . Much better shooter,perhaps stronger and probably a better rebounder
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Ponds is ridiculous. Harrison was the best rebounding guard ive seen at sju. He was.
Hatten.
Rebounding from the guard position is a great indicator of instincts for the game. It's almost always a great sign out a guard.
Michael Porter was the best rebounding guard in ST John's history. Not sure about his instincts but he could jump.
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Alibegovic obviously has this year to leave some kind of mark on this program. Rebound young man. That’s all we want. He did have 3 in 5 minutes of play. So, he did improve.
LOL. Alibegovic has no business being on the court. Ever. He has no basketball IQ, and less skill
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Alibegovic obviously has this year to leave some kind of mark on this program. Rebound young man. That’s all we want. He did have 3 in 5 minutes of play. So, he did improve.
LOL. Alibegovic has no business being on the court. Ever. He has no basketball IQ, and less skill
Don't know how you can definitively state that his skill is less than his basketball IQ.
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Alibegovic obviously has this year to leave some kind of mark on this program. Rebound young man. That’s all we want. He did have 3 in 5 minutes of play. So, he did improve.
LOL. Alibegovic has no business being on the court. Ever. He has no basketball IQ, and less skill
He certainly hasn’t earned playing time with his play but this program doesn’t have a choice. Mullin has to get blood from a stone. Two stones if you count Yakwe, and I do.
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If I were coach I would never take Yakwe out for foul trouble.
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Alibegovic obviously has this year to leave some kind of mark on this program. Rebound young man. That’s all we want. He did have 3 in 5 minutes of play. So, he did improve.
LOL. Alibegovic has no business being on the court. Ever. He has no basketball IQ, and less skill
He certainly hasn’t earned playing time with his play but this program doesn’t have a choice. Mullin has to get blood from a stone. Two stones if you count Yakwe, and I do.
Can’t disagree. But at least Yakwe plays on the inside. We have absolutely no use for Amar camping out at the 3 point line .as I have been saying. We need our bigs to be hungry and go after rebounds and Clark has to minimize his fouling.
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Ponds is ridiculous. Harrison was the best rebounding guard ive seen at sju. He was.
Hatten.
Rebounding from the guard position is a great indicator of instincts for the game. It's almost always a great sign out a guard.
I’ll take Ponds. And abolsutley, his instincts are off the charts.
I would too...I was just pointing out his only competition in my time. Ponds would eat Harrison alive athletically on the glass.
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I really enjoy watching all our guards. Ponds, Lovett, Simon & Trimble. That's a good squad.
The first three are obvious, but Trimble is better than he looks. He looks like he spent all summer sitting on the couch eating potato chips. And maybe he did, but even with a belly he’s still good. Imagine what kind of player he could be if he got into shape if he’s able to play while out of shape.
I don't understand how you think this kid is out of shape. Because he's bulky? Does he need to be as thin as Owens to be in shape? I don't see the kid Huffin or Puffin when he's in the game, so Id say he's in better shape than most.
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I really enjoy watching all our guards. Ponds, Lovett, Simon & Trimble. That's a good squad.
The first three are obvious, but Trimble is better than he looks. He looks like he spent all summer sitting on the couch eating potato chips. And maybe he did, but even with a belly he’s still good. Imagine what kind of player he could be if he got into shape if he’s able to play while out of shape.
I don't understand how you think this kid is out of shape. Because he's bulky? Does he need to be as thin as Owens to be in shape? I don't see the kid Huffin or Puffin when he's in the game, so Id say he's in better shape than most.
I agree that he looks in shape. He should be the official team consultant for putting on weight. Most of the team, particularly Owens and Yakwe, need to move chips, fried food and pizza to a prominent place on their food pyramid. :)
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Looks like a new 3rd walk-on sitting on bench. Short white kid
Jay Camus, played at Archbishop Molloy and Manhattan (one game)
http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/jay_camus_1064150.html