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Title: Alex Yetna - PF - PSA - SOUTH FLORIDA
Post by: redmenfan on April 04, 2017, 01:03:07 PM
Per Corey Evans, St. John's has offered 2017 @PSAhoops big man Alex Yetna
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: goredmen on April 04, 2017, 01:22:27 PM
Pretty late in the game to start courting 2017 guys out of nowhere like this, no?
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: rlogazino on April 04, 2017, 01:33:41 PM
6-8'' 205 PF.

Goes to Putnam Science Academy. Originally from Paris, FR.

87 on 247Sports.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: MCNPA on April 04, 2017, 01:43:21 PM
rebounds well from some of the stats.  Well rated player too.   Had/has offers from Pitt, Georgia, uri, New Mexico amongst others.  It seems we could do much worse than this at this stage of the game.  I'm surprised he's still on the board.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: Wods317 on April 04, 2017, 02:28:31 PM
Pretty late in the game to start courting 2017 guys out of nowhere like this, no?

Whats the harm? Seems like a solid player and we can obviously use a big
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: redmenfan on April 04, 2017, 02:30:04 PM
Assuming we get a grad transfer who is a big  Yetna may be a good redshirt candidate
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: Moose on April 04, 2017, 02:35:20 PM
Pretty late in the game to start courting 2017 guys out of nowhere like this, no?

Whats the harm? Seems like a solid player and we can obviously use a big

And judging by recent history he will be gone in 2 years anyway ;)
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: fordham96 on April 04, 2017, 02:50:26 PM
Matt's not following him yet...
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: Moose on April 04, 2017, 03:25:09 PM
Matt's not following him yet...

(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/2a/2aeeae6aac32ad71b368cbee26a3d779bc9243fb44c1e5f759cf7e510f0a84b4.jpg)
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: derk on April 04, 2017, 04:03:08 PM
Pretty late in the game to start courting 2017 guys out of nowhere like this, no?

Not for us. We are .............
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: MCNPA on April 04, 2017, 04:30:24 PM
Hey, if he's available it's never too late.  He was first team all league, and has been called a double-double machine.  Looks like he averaged a double-double actually, and played against top prep teams, not garbage.   Getting a freshman rebounder like that would be tremendous for us, regardless of what juncture. 
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: paultzman on April 04, 2017, 04:32:22 PM
Hey, if he's available it's never too late.  He was first team all league, and has been called a double-double machine.  Looks like he averaged a double-double actually, and played against top prep teams, not garbage.   Getting a freshman rebounder like that would be tremendous for us, regardless of what juncture. 

If there is really a SJU offer
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: MCNPA on April 04, 2017, 04:40:03 PM
Hey, if he's available it's never too late.  He was first team all league, and has been called a double-double machine.  Looks like he averaged a double-double actually, and played against top prep teams, not garbage.   Getting a freshman rebounder like that would be tremendous for us, regardless of what juncture. 

If there is really a SJU offer

True.  I'd assume because he said it there was one.   Corey Evans tweeted it and Yetna retweeted.   The math would work because we need players.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: Poison on April 04, 2017, 04:43:19 PM
He looks pretty good to me. Seems really active. He gets inside, but he can also face the basket with the ball in his hands. This is the kind of player we need to bring in and coach into a star.

Yetna reminds me of Eric King.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: sjulaw1991 on April 04, 2017, 05:19:36 PM
Iowa State was on him per 247
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: valgoth on April 04, 2017, 08:21:00 PM
hes visiting ODU this weekend
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: JohnnyJungle on April 04, 2017, 09:11:15 PM
Academics and eligibility were a concern. Has things cleared up and schools moving in. I haven't seen him.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: MCNPA on April 04, 2017, 10:13:22 PM
Academics and eligibility were a concern. Has things cleared up and schools moving in. I haven't seen him.

Hopefully we gain some traction here.  A 2017 freshman signee who's a real good rebounder would be a nice way to balance our classes a bit as well. 
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on April 04, 2017, 10:32:38 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yx_yj99iX4

I like him. Out works everyone in this video. Lefty worth +2.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: Johnny23 on April 04, 2017, 10:57:34 PM
Not sure how good the overall competition is in that video.

That sad, Yetna looked extremely active down low and that is exactly what this team needs. Not the biggest guy in the world but big enough at 6'8.  We need two of him.

Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: Celtics11 on April 05, 2017, 12:52:35 AM
Reminds me a little bit of Lamar Odom. Another lefty but also appears to be abbey dexter ous.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: paultzman on April 05, 2017, 08:21:49 AM
Putnam Science Acad.‏ @PSAhoops

Alexis Yetna has landed latest high major offer from St. John's !! 6'8 PF is still wide open in his process
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: sjulaw1991 on April 05, 2017, 09:42:02 AM
FWIW - crystal ball has him 100% ODU
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: MCNPA on April 05, 2017, 10:22:32 AM
FWIW - crystal ball has him 100% ODU

Was that changed since he straightened out academics etc?  I'd be surprised if a kid chose ODU over resurgent major program offers.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: Poison on April 05, 2017, 10:26:35 AM
Can we jump in late and steal one from ODU?
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: Marco Baldi on April 05, 2017, 10:44:01 AM
Can we jump in late and steal one from ODU?

Lol
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: rlogazino on April 05, 2017, 11:47:50 AM
Oregon State not ODU
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: stjohnnie75 on April 05, 2017, 01:24:18 PM
We should wait two years then pounce when he decides to transfer from ODU.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: MCNPA on April 05, 2017, 02:48:04 PM
Oregon State not ODU

No he meant ODU...  Oregon state also had interest.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: fordham96 on April 05, 2017, 03:25:20 PM
Matt's not following him yet...

(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/2a/2aeeae6aac32ad71b368cbee26a3d779bc9243fb44c1e5f759cf7e510f0a84b4.jpg)

(http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/96/9651e121dac222fdac699ca6d962b84f288c75e6ec120f4a06e3c04f139ee8ec.jpg)
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: fordham96 on April 06, 2017, 07:11:56 PM
Story on recent offer to Yetna and that he is looking to visit SJU soon.

https://stjohns.rivals.com/news/st-john-s-targets-french-forward
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: paultzman on April 12, 2017, 09:12:30 PM
Mississippi State has offered 6'8" Alexis Yetna of @PSAhoops #Bulldogs 247sports.com/Player/Alexis-…
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on April 12, 2017, 09:54:34 PM
Is it Yetna or Kante or are both in play?
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: QuanMan on April 12, 2017, 11:24:37 PM
http://www.hudl.com/video/3/7274804/5721e06019a53e2a18835fe3

Looks like he'd run the floor just fine alongside Kassoum and Tariq.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: Celtics11 on April 12, 2017, 11:44:29 PM
http://www.hudl.com/video/3/7274804/5721e06019a53e2a18835fe3

Looks like he'd run the floor just fine alongside Kassoum and Tariq.
Better. Can handle and better scorer. I like this kid. Have seen some other vids-impressive.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: Marillac on April 13, 2017, 05:13:05 AM
http://www.hudl.com/video/3/7274804/5721e06019a53e2a18835fe3

Looks like he'd run the floor just fine alongside Kassoum and Tariq.

Better. Can handle and better scorer. I like this kid. Have seen some other vids-impressive.

He's not better than Tariq. This kid worries me because he shows signs of wanting to be a SF. I'd rather take a less talented PF that is willing to play his role.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: Celtics11 on April 13, 2017, 11:15:07 AM
http://www.hudl.com/video/3/7274804/5721e06019a53e2a18835fe3

Looks like he'd run the floor just fine alongside Kassoum and Tariq.

Better. Can handle and better scorer. I like this kid. Have seen some other vids-impressive.

He's not better than Tariq. This kid worries me because he shows signs of wanting to be a SF. I'd rather take a less talented PF that is willing to play his role.
Was talking about his ability to run the floor, referencing the previous post. But know that you mention it you are comparing a 3 yr vet of college ball to a HSer but overall talent wise still like this kid.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on April 13, 2017, 11:23:47 AM
http://www.hudl.com/video/3/7274804/5721e06019a53e2a18835fe3

Looks like he'd run the floor just fine alongside Kassoum and Tariq.

Better. Can handle and better scorer. I like this kid. Have seen some other vids-impressive.

He's not better than Tariq. This kid worries me because he shows signs of wanting to be a SF. I'd rather take a less talented PF that is willing to play his role.

This guy was going after every loose ball and rebound in an all star game!
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: MCNPA on April 13, 2017, 11:27:31 AM
http://www.hudl.com/video/3/7274804/5721e06019a53e2a18835fe3

Looks like he'd run the floor just fine alongside Kassoum and Tariq.

Better. Can handle and better scorer. I like this kid. Have seen some other vids-impressive.

He's not better than Tariq. This kid worries me because he shows signs of wanting to be a SF. I'd rather take a less talented PF that is willing to play his role.

This guy was going after every loose ball and rebound in an all star game!

He averaged a double-double for a top 5 team.  He's definitely an excellent rebounder.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: QuanMan on April 13, 2017, 11:36:35 AM
IK and Yetna both look like they would be fine additions to the roster next year.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: paultzman on April 13, 2017, 11:38:53 AM
IK and Yetna both look like they would be fine additions to the roster next year.

Likely get one.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: redmenfan on April 13, 2017, 12:18:39 PM
Any sense which one we have better shot with? I think Kante is more traditional PF
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: MCNPA on April 13, 2017, 01:53:35 PM
Well, of the two, Kante is the only one that can really play in the post as a center at times.  Yetna purely a PF.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: paultzman on April 13, 2017, 02:01:46 PM
Any sense which one we have better shot with? I think Kante is more traditional PF

Kante apparently
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: Poison on April 14, 2017, 08:40:13 AM
Well, of the two, Kante is the only one that can really play in the post as a center at times.  Yetna purely a PF.

I don't think there is such a thing as purely a PF in college. If Yetna comes here, he'll play some center. He'll probably play a lot of center.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: Johnny23 on April 14, 2017, 10:11:15 AM
We need bangers who can rebound and score around the hoop. Doesn't matter what their official position is listed as.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: cjfish on April 14, 2017, 10:34:15 AM
He won't be too much of a banger at 205lbs....another guy who needs pizza and the weight room
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: QuanMan on April 14, 2017, 11:08:41 AM
He won't be too much of a banger at 205lbs....another guy who needs pizza and the weight room

Kante will be answering that. Don't forget another summer of Kassoum hitting the weights and Marv patrolling the paint next year. In addition we're rumored for two grad transfer bigs. The nation needs to have some patience.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: Johnny23 on April 14, 2017, 11:19:28 AM
He won't be too much of a banger at 205lbs....another guy who needs pizza and the weight room

205 is not big but I wouldn't get too caught up in what his weight is. Tariq scraps and mixes it up on both ends and he's barely 200 lbs. Girth definitely helps but Yetna looks wiry strong enough. My question is does he actually have the instinct and determination to be a good rebounder and post scorer.

I'd rather have a 230 lb'er every day of the week but we're not in a position to be choosy this late in the game. As long as the guy we get is active underneath that's all that matters.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: Moose on April 14, 2017, 11:30:36 AM
He won't be too much of a banger at 205lbs....another guy who needs pizza and the weight room

Kante will be answering that. Don't forget another summer of Kassoum hitting the weights and Marv patrolling the paint next year. In addition we're rumored for two grad transfer bigs. The nation needs to have some patience.

Patience?
Ha
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: redmenfan on April 19, 2017, 04:48:36 PM
Per Corey Evans Yetna ,has committed to South Florida
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: Marillac on April 19, 2017, 05:01:32 PM
He won't be too much of a banger at 205lbs....another guy who needs pizza and the weight room

Kante will be answering that. Don't forget another summer of Kassoum hitting the weights and Marv patrolling the paint next year. In addition we're rumored for two grad transfer bigs. The nation needs to have some patience.

Yakwe has troubling lifting since his hands are exponentially harder than iron.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: Foad on April 19, 2017, 05:41:46 PM
Per Corey Evans Yetna ,has committed to South Florida

Once again, the magic eight ball says "ALL SIGNS POINT TO YES" when it comes to Jasilionustien II. Come to me you seven foot two slab o' euro beef.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna
Post by: Foad on April 19, 2017, 05:45:46 PM
Yakwe has troubling lifting since his hands are exponentially harder than iron.

Yakwe's hand were fine as a freshman. Last year he spent too much time thinking. BY next fall he will have had enough time to think about thinking. Prediction: Yakwe turns it around.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna - PF - PSA - SOUTH FLORIDA
Post by: Marillac on April 19, 2017, 06:01:39 PM
Yakwe has troubling lifting since his hands are exponentially harder than iron.

Yakwe's hand were fine as a freshman. Last year he spent too much time thinking. BY next fall he will have had enough time to think about thinking. Prediction: Yakwe turns it around.

Were Yakwe's hands fine as a frosh? We didn't have anyone driving and dishing to him like Lovett and Ponds. I remember his short stint being lobs and putback drinks with some short drives mixed in.

I don't think we can rely on anything more than 10 minutes and five fouls from him.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna - PF - PSA - SOUTH FLORIDA
Post by: Foad on April 19, 2017, 08:10:45 PM
Yakwe has troubling lifting since his hands are exponentially harder than iron.

Yakwe's hand were fine as a freshman. Last year he spent too much time thinking. BY next fall he will have had enough time to think about thinking. Prediction: Yakwe turns it around.

Were Yakwe's hands fine as a frosh? We didn't have anyone driving and dishing to him like Lovett and Ponds. I remember his short stint being lobs and putback drinks with some short drives mixed in.

I don't think we can rely on anything more than 10 minutes and five fouls from him.

Last year he averaged 20 minutes and less than three fouls, which was a 20 percent reduction in fouls from the year before in as many minutes in what should have been his freshmen year in college. Ten minutes and five fouls would be a regression for the ages.

He regressed last year, no question. Visually he regressed a lot. Statistically he regressed not that much. Again, to me he looks like he's doing too much thinking. He needs to stop thinking. And he needs to rebound better, no question. He also needs not to be asked to guard Angel Delgado and Justin Patton and Sean O'Mara and Luke Fischer and all the other things he was asked to do because the roster was deficient. 
Title: Re: Alex Yetna - PF - PSA - SOUTH FLORIDA
Post by: fordham96 on April 19, 2017, 08:31:39 PM
Yawke was one of the fastest climbers of the class of 2016 before he reclassified.  Was the MVP of the prestigious Peach Jam.  He's a stud.  No doubt he regressed some last year.   But it is not too much to ask that he gets back on the upward plane his physical talents and freshman year promised.

If this staff does their job he should be a legitimate high level BE forward.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna - PF - PSA - SOUTH FLORIDA
Post by: redstorm212 on April 19, 2017, 08:50:31 PM
Yawke was one of the fastest climbers of the class of 2016 before he reclassified.  Was the MVP of the prestigious Peach Jam.  He's a stud.  No doubt he regressed some last year.   But it is not too much to ask that he gets back on the upward plane his physical talents and freshman year promised.

If this staff does their job he should be a legitimate high level BE forward.

IMO he shows no signs of being a quality BE player, or developing. There's no excuse for his rebounding totals. I'd love to be wrong.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna - PF - PSA - SOUTH FLORIDA
Post by: wpc77 on April 19, 2017, 08:59:50 PM
Yawke was one of the fastest climbers of the class of 2016 before he reclassified.  Was the MVP of the prestigious Peach Jam.  He's a stud.  No doubt he regressed some last year.   But it is not too much to ask that he gets back on the upward plane his physical talents and freshman year promised.

If this staff does their job he should be a legitimate high level BE forward.

Absolutely right.  But who the f is the 4/5 coach? The 24 year old?
Title: Re: Alex Yetna - PF - PSA - SOUTH FLORIDA
Post by: fordham96 on April 19, 2017, 09:13:56 PM
Yawke was one of the fastest climbers of the class of 2016 before he reclassified.  Was the MVP of the prestigious Peach Jam.  He's a stud.  No doubt he regressed some last year.   But it is not too much to ask that he gets back on the upward plane his physical talents and freshman year promised.

If this staff does their job he should be a legitimate high level BE forward.

Absolutely right.  But who the f is the 4/5 coach? The 24 year old?

Who is Coach K's 4/5 coach??  Jeff Capel?  Jon Scheyer?  The idea that you need a big man or big man coach to specifically coach big men is a myth.  That doesn't mean SJU couldn't use a staff shakeup, maybe it does.  I did hear things could be moving in that direction.  But what you need is a staff of competent people who know basketball, period.

But either way, Chris and his staff get paid handsomely and it's their job.  There is plenty of basketball knowledge on that staff to get it done.  Not to mention it is  their job.

On a larger note the biggest gripe I have is not that they did not bring in a grad transfer big man, people are acting like it is as simple as that.  There were only a handful of real worthy grad transfers, most of them were guards and swing men and most were probably out of reach for SJU.  The gripe was taking a chance on Zach Brown instead of locking up French.  But even then French wasn't going to be the type of impact that Brown could be so it may have been worth the risk because that leads me to my larger point, 2018 and beyond.

It is clear that SJU is going to be all over the country this summer trying to lock up a 2018 class that is balanced and strong.  They believe, I actually believe it to, that the next season will be good and that the type of recruiting class they are lining up for 2018 and beyond will push SJU onto Villanova's level.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna - PF - PSA - SOUTH FLORIDA
Post by: Marco Baldi on April 19, 2017, 09:19:05 PM
Yawke was one of the fastest climbers of the class of 2016 before he reclassified.  Was the MVP of the prestigious Peach Jam.  He's a stud.  No doubt he regressed some last year.   But it is not too much to ask that he gets back on the upward plane his physical talents and freshman year promised.

If this staff does their job he should be a legitimate high level BE forward.

Absolutely right.  But who the f is the 4/5 coach? The 24 year old?

Who is Coach K's 4/5 coach??  Jeff Capel?  Jon Scheyer?  The idea that you need a big man or big man coach to specifically coach big men is a myth.  That doesn't mean SJU couldn't use a staff shakeup, maybe it does.  I did hear things could be moving in that direction.  But what you need is a staff of competent people who know basketball, period.

But either way, Chris and his staff get paid handsomely and it's their job.  There is plenty of basketball knowledge on that staff to get it done.  Not to mention it is  their job.

On a larger note the biggest gripe I have is not that they did not bring in a grad transfer big man, people are acting like it is as simple as that.  There were only a handful of real worthy grad transfers, most of them were guards and swing men and most were probably out of reach for SJU.  The gripe was taking a chance on Zach Brown instead of locking up French.  But even then French wasn't going to be the type of impact that Brown could be so it may have been worth the risk because that leads me to my larger point, 2018 and beyond.

It is clear that SJU is going to be all over the country this summer trying to lock up a 2018 class that is balanced and strong.  They believe, I actually believe it to, that the next season will be good and that the type of recruiting class they are lining up for 2018 and beyond will push SJU onto Villanova's level.

Coach K needs a big man coach?
Title: Re: Alex Yetna - PF - PSA - SOUTH FLORIDA
Post by: goredmen on April 19, 2017, 10:18:09 PM
Yawke was one of the fastest climbers of the class of 2016 before he reclassified.  Was the MVP of the prestigious Peach Jam.  He's a stud.  No doubt he regressed some last year.   But it is not too much to ask that he gets back on the upward plane his physical talents and freshman year promised.

If this staff does their job he should be a legitimate high level BE forward.

Absolutely right.  But who the f is the 4/5 coach? The 24 year old?

Who is Coach K's 4/5 coach??  Jeff Capel?  Jon Scheyer?  The idea that you need a big man or big man coach to specifically coach big men is a myth.  That doesn't mean SJU couldn't use a staff shakeup, maybe it does.  I did hear things could be moving in that direction.  But what you need is a staff of competent people who know basketball, period.

But either way, Chris and his staff get paid handsomely and it's their job.  There is plenty of basketball knowledge on that staff to get it done.  Not to mention it is  their job.

On a larger note the biggest gripe I have is not that they did not bring in a grad transfer big man, people are acting like it is as simple as that.  There were only a handful of real worthy grad transfers, most of them were guards and swing men and most were probably out of reach for SJU.  The gripe was taking a chance on Zach Brown instead of locking up French.  But even then French wasn't going to be the type of impact that Brown could be so it may have been worth the risk because that leads me to my larger point, 2018 and beyond.

It is clear that SJU is going to be all over the country this summer trying to lock up a 2018 class that is balanced and strong.  They believe, I actually believe it to, that the next season will be good and that the type of recruiting class they are lining up for 2018 and beyond will push SJU onto Villanova's level.

Coach K needs a big man coach?

This has reached scheppy levels
Title: Re: Alex Yetna - PF - PSA - SOUTH FLORIDA
Post by: Pete88 on April 19, 2017, 10:34:05 PM
Yawke was one of the fastest climbers of the class of 2016 before he reclassified.  Was the MVP of the prestigious Peach Jam.  He's a stud.  No doubt he regressed some last year.   But it is not too much to ask that he gets back on the upward plane his physical talents and freshman year promised.

If this staff does their job he should be a legitimate high level BE forward.

Absolutely right.  But who the f is the 4/5 coach? The 24 year old?

Who is Coach K's 4/5 coach??  Jeff Capel?  Jon Scheyer?  The idea that you need a big man or big man coach to specifically coach big men is a myth.  That doesn't mean SJU couldn't use a staff shakeup, maybe it does.  I did hear things could be moving in that direction.  But what you need is a staff of competent people who know basketball, period.

But either way, Chris and his staff get paid handsomely and it's their job.  There is plenty of basketball knowledge on that staff to get it done.  Not to mention it is  their job.

On a larger note the biggest gripe I have is not that they did not bring in a grad transfer big man, people are acting like it is as simple as that.  There were only a handful of real worthy grad transfers, most of them were guards and swing men and most were probably out of reach for SJU.  The gripe was taking a chance on Zach Brown instead of locking up French.  But even then French wasn't going to be the type of impact that Brown could be so it may have been worth the risk because that leads me to my larger point, 2018 and beyond.

It is clear that SJU is going to be all over the country this summer trying to lock up a 2018 class that is balanced and strong.  They believe, I actually believe it to, that the next season will be good and that the type of recruiting class they are lining up for 2018 and beyond will push SJU onto Villanova's level.

Coach K needs a big man coach?

This has reached scheppy levels

LOL ... so true
Title: Re: Alex Yetna - PF - PSA - SOUTH FLORIDA
Post by: Marco Baldi on April 19, 2017, 11:53:21 PM
Yawke was one of the fastest climbers of the class of 2016 before he reclassified.  Was the MVP of the prestigious Peach Jam.  He's a stud.  No doubt he regressed some last year.   But it is not too much to ask that he gets back on the upward plane his physical talents and freshman year promised.

If this staff does their job he should be a legitimate high level BE forward.

Absolutely right.  But who the f is the 4/5 coach? The 24 year old?

Who is Coach K's 4/5 coach??  Jeff Capel?  Jon Scheyer?  The idea that you need a big man or big man coach to specifically coach big men is a myth.  That doesn't mean SJU couldn't use a staff shakeup, maybe it does.  I did hear things could be moving in that direction.  But what you need is a staff of competent people who know basketball, period.

But either way, Chris and his staff get paid handsomely and it's their job.  There is plenty of basketball knowledge on that staff to get it done.  Not to mention it is  their job.

On a larger note the biggest gripe I have is not that they did not bring in a grad transfer big man, people are acting like it is as simple as that.  There were only a handful of real worthy grad transfers, most of them were guards and swing men and most were probably out of reach for SJU.  The gripe was taking a chance on Zach Brown instead of locking up French.  But even then French wasn't going to be the type of impact that Brown could be so it may have been worth the risk because that leads me to my larger point, 2018 and beyond.

It is clear that SJU is going to be all over the country this summer trying to lock up a 2018 class that is balanced and strong.  They believe, I actually believe it to, that the next season will be good and that the type of recruiting class they are lining up for 2018 and beyond will push SJU onto Villanova's level.

Coach K needs a big man coach?

This has reached scheppy levels

LOL ... so true

High five
Title: Re: Alex Yetna - PF - PSA - SOUTH FLORIDA
Post by: Marillac on April 20, 2017, 09:18:18 AM
Yakwe has troubling lifting since his hands are exponentially harder than iron.

Yakwe's hand were fine as a freshman. Last year he spent too much time thinking. BY next fall he will have had enough time to think about thinking. Prediction: Yakwe turns it around.

Were Yakwe's hands fine as a frosh? We didn't have anyone driving and dishing to him like Lovett and Ponds. I remember his short stint being lobs and putback drinks with some short drives mixed in.

I don't think we can rely on anything more than 10 minutes and five fouls from him.

Last year he averaged 20 minutes and less than three fouls, which was a 20 percent reduction in fouls from the year before in as many minutes in what should have been his freshmen year in college. Ten minutes and five fouls would be a regression for the ages.

He regressed last year, no question. Visually he regressed a lot. Statistically he regressed not that much. Again, to me he looks like he's doing too much thinking. He needs to stop thinking. And he needs to rebound better, no question. He also needs not to be asked to guard Angel Delgado and Justin Patton and Sean O'Mara and Luke Fischer and all the other things he was asked to do because the roster was deficient. 


I actually thought he looked better against the centers over well-built and more versatile 6'6-6'8 PF's like Wideman and Bullock (which isn't saying much). Don't forget he went for something like 16 and 15 against Delgado as a frosh.

I'm not giving up on the kid and I'm very glad he's on the roster, but I don't think it's prudent to rely on him for anything more than 10-15 minutes and some fouls.  If our stength and conditioning team actually stepped up, it could be a different story. How that kid with his frame didn't enter this past  season at 220, I'll never know. You can't consistently compete at this level as a PF/C weighing 200-205 absent NBA ability. I thought the staff made a huge error wasting a year of his eligibility for 2 1/2 months of meaningless games in a lost season.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna - PF - PSA - SOUTH FLORIDA
Post by: derk on April 20, 2017, 10:24:31 AM
Per Corey Evans Yetna ,has committed to South Florida

I'm presuming staff was not that high on this kid and banking on Kante and someone else. Otherwise how can we lose to that trainwreck of a program at South Florida.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna - PF - PSA - SOUTH FLORIDA
Post by: desco80 on April 20, 2017, 10:39:57 AM
I'm a little late to this conversation, but I agree that it's reasonable to expect Yakwe to have a bounce-back season.
The physical tools are there, he's got better players around him.   And he was very young when he came to St Johns.
Junior year could be a breakout season for him.  It could not be too.
But whereas some players have relatively modest ceilings, I think most of us can agree Yakwe has the tools to be a pretty good player.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna - PF - PSA - SOUTH FLORIDA
Post by: Johnny23 on April 20, 2017, 11:02:44 AM
Yakwe making a big progression next year is a huge if.

I don't see it happening but if this team is going to even sniff the NCAA bubble then he needs to be much better.



Title: Re: Alex Yetna - PF - PSA - SOUTH FLORIDA
Post by: JayJay on April 20, 2017, 03:16:53 PM
I just don't believe KY has the basketball skills and smarts to play at this level. If he could dribble the ball, make a shot, knew where he was supposed to be on the floor....his size, which is good, would not matter. I certainly hope he snaps out of his sophomore funk, but I just don't see it, I'm sad to say.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna - PF - PSA - SOUTH FLORIDA
Post by: Section 9 on April 20, 2017, 03:40:14 PM
I just don't believe KY has the basketball skills and smarts to play at this level. If he could dribble the ball, make a shot, knew where he was supposed to be on the floor....his size, which is good, would not matter. I certainly hope he snaps out of his sophomore funk, but I just don't see it, I'm sad to say.

Nobody's going to see anything until the season starts.  Until then it's just guess work by the myriad talking heads on this board. ;)
Title: Re: Alex Yetna - PF - PSA - SOUTH FLORIDA
Post by: Foad on April 20, 2017, 04:26:18 PM
Yakwe making a big progression next year is a huge if.

I don't see it happening but if this team is going to even sniff the NCAA bubble then he needs to be much better.

He doesn't need to make a huge progression or be much better. He has to grab two or three more rebounds a game and stop dropping the ball on the pick and roll. It's hardly an insurmountable task.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna - PF - PSA - SOUTH FLORIDA
Post by: Johnny23 on April 20, 2017, 04:34:29 PM
Yakwe making a big progression next year is a huge if.

I don't see it happening but if this team is going to even sniff the NCAA bubble then he needs to be much better.

He doesn't need to make a huge progression or be much better. He has to grab two or three more rebounds a game and stop dropping the ball on the pick and roll. It's hardly an insurmountable task.

Easier said than done. His awful hands, lack of court awareness, and offensive struggles will need to improve a lot.

Title: Re: Alex Yetna - PF - PSA - SOUTH FLORIDA
Post by: Foad on April 20, 2017, 04:43:35 PM
I actually thought he looked better against the centers over well-built and more versatile 6'6-6'8 PF's like Wideman and Bullock (which isn't saying much). Don't forget he went for something like 16 and 15 against Delgado as a frosh.

I thought he did as well. And I think he did because when he played against players who over-matched him physically he didn't have time to think about what he was supposed to be doing. He just did it. Whereas when he was playing against players he was more athletic than he had time to think about it. I think his problems last year were all mental.

We tend to think that improvement is linear, that it goes up this way / . But really learning is a series of plateaus: you go up and then you have a flat period and then a flat period and then you go up again, like stairs. Hopefully last year was a tread.

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'm not giving up on the kid and I'm very glad he's on the roster, but I don't think it's prudent to rely on him for anything more than 10-15 minutes and some fouls.  If our stength and conditioning team actually stepped up, it could be a different story. How that kid with his frame didn't enter this past  season at 220, I'll never know. You can't consistently compete at this level as a PF/C weighing 200-205 absent NBA ability. I thought the staff made a huge error wasting a year of his eligibility for 2 1/2 months of meaningless games in a lost season.

If you look at pictures of him as a freshman and as a soph he's grown quite a bit through his shoulders and biceps. He's pretty jacked up top. If he has Tyra Banks ass he'd be a specimen.

Weight is a funny thing. Maurice Lucas was terrifying at 6'9" 215. Xavier McDaniel was frightening at 6'7" 215. Julius Erving was 6'7" 215. Mel Daniels was 6'9" 220. Yawke is listed at 6'7" 210. Unless you're a golem like that guy on Gonzaga it's not just the weight, it's where the weight is and how you use it.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna - PF - PSA - SOUTH FLORIDA
Post by: Marillac on April 20, 2017, 04:47:50 PM
Yakwe making a big progression next year is a huge if.

I don't see it happening but if this team is going to even sniff the NCAA bubble then he needs to be much better.

He doesn't need to make a huge progression or be much better. He has to grab two or three more rebounds a game and stop dropping the ball on the pick and roll. It's hardly an insurmountable task.

I don't disagree. The Jarvii actually ran some great hands drills when they were here and I witnessed some players come a very long way over the course of one season during those drills. (I guess if you can't coach, you can't afford to lose loose balls and rebkunds).  It's definitely possible. The bigger issue to me is rebounding. How is a kid with that length and athletic ability not hitting the glass on either side of the ball? He was barely over one offensive board per game less than half what he averaged last year. That is just mentality and effort.

This is a kid Calhoun would have recruited to Uconn and either stashed at a prep, redshirted, or buried on the bench intil he was 225-230 lbs.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna - PF - PSA - SOUTH FLORIDA
Post by: Foad on April 20, 2017, 04:50:48 PM
Easier said than done. His awful hands, lack of court awareness, and offensive struggles will need to improve a lot.

Everything is easier said than done. KY seems like a good kid and he seems to be a hard worker with a good attitude and there's no reason to think he will not improve as people who practice a thing do in the normal course of practicing a thing. I know it happens - Reggie Jessie, Willie Shaw - but few players get worse over the long term. If he takes a step forward and Owens does and Ahmed does the front court won't be as bad as the sky is falling crowd think. I'm not saying that they don't need help or that the fact that there are no reinforcements on the horizon isn't disappointing, but even without any appreciable influx of talent this is still going to be an interesting basketball team assuming a normal progression.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna - PF - PSA - SOUTH FLORIDA
Post by: Foad on April 20, 2017, 04:56:43 PM
Yakwe making a big progression next year is a huge if.

I don't see it happening but if this team is going to even sniff the NCAA bubble then he needs to be much better.

He doesn't need to make a huge progression or be much better. He has to grab two or three more rebounds a game and stop dropping the ball on the pick and roll. It's hardly an insurmountable task.

I don't disagree. The Jarvii actually ran some great hands drills when they were here and I witnessed some players come a very long way over the course of one season during those drills. (I guess if you can't coach, you can't afford to lose loose balls and rebkunds).  It's definitely possible. The bigger issue to me is rebounding. How is a kid with that length and athletic ability not hitting the glass on either side of the ball? He was barely over one offensive board per game less than half what he averaged last year. That is just mentality and effort.

This is a kid Calhoun would have recruited to Uconn and either stashed at a prep, redshirted, or buried on the bench intil he was 225-230 lbs.

The rebounding is troubling. He has the physical tools to average 8 or 10 a game and those aren't numbers I throw around lightly. Part of it is I think his late entry to the game - he lacks the instinct that other more seasoned  players have - but part of it is desire. That's the only thing that troubles me about him: he's a bit lackadaisical. He needs to want the ball as opposed to be satisfied when the ball happens to come his way. Hopefully that comes as he matures.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna - PF - PSA - SOUTH FLORIDA
Post by: ras on April 20, 2017, 06:08:47 PM
I actually thought he looked better against the centers over well-built and more versatile 6'6-6'8 PF's like Wideman and Bullock (which isn't saying much). Don't forget he went for something like 16 and 15 against Delgado as a frosh.


I thought he did as well. And I think he did because when he played against players who over-matched him physically he didn't have time to think about what he was supposed to be doing. He just did it. Whereas when he was playing against players he was more athletic than he had time to think about it. I think his problems last year were all mental.

We tend to think that improvement is linear, that it goes up this way / . But really learning is a series of plateaus: you go up and then you have a flat period and then a flat period and then you go up again, like stairs. Hopefully last year was a tread.

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'm not giving up on the kid and I'm very glad he's on the roster, but I don't think it's prudent to rely on him for anything more than 10-15 minutes and some fouls.  If our stength and conditioning team actually stepped up, it could be a different story. How that kid with his frame didn't enter this past  season at 220, I'll never know. You can't consistently compete at this level as a PF/C weighing 200-205 absent NBA ability. I thought the staff made a huge error wasting a year of his eligibility for 2 1/2 months of meaningless games in a lost season.

If you look at pictures of him as a freshman and as a soph he's grown quite a bit through his shoulders and biceps. He's pretty jacked up top. If he has Tyra Banks ass he'd be a specimen.

Weight is a funny thing. Maurice Lucas was terrifying at 6'9" 215. Xavier McDaniel was frightening at 6'7" 215. Julius Erving was 6'7" 215. Mel Daniels was 6'9" 220. Yawke is listed at 6'7" 210. Unless you're a golem like that guy on Gonzaga it's not just the weight, it's where the weight is and how you use it.
  How big was Justin Brownlee? He did a very nice job as a 5.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna - PF - PSA - SOUTH FLORIDA
Post by: prjohnnies on April 20, 2017, 06:50:25 PM
Don't recall JB playing much 5. Burrell and Evans did.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna - PF - PSA - SOUTH FLORIDA
Post by: Celtics11 on April 20, 2017, 11:38:14 PM
I actually thought he looked better against the centers over well-built and more versatile 6'6-6'8 PF's like Wideman and Bullock (which isn't saying much). Don't forget he went for something like 16 and 15 against Delgado as a frosh.

I thought he did as well. And I think he did because when he played against players who over-matched him physically he didn't have time to think about what he was supposed to be doing. He just did it. Whereas when he was playing against players he was more athletic than he had time to think about it. I think his problems last year were all mental.

We tend to think that improvement is linear, that it goes up this way / . But really learning is a series of plateaus: you go up and then you have a flat period and then a flat period and then you go up again, like stairs. Hopefully last year was a tread.

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'm not giving up on the kid and I'm very glad he's on the roster, but I don't think it's prudent to rely on him for anything more than 10-15 minutes and some fouls.  If our stength and conditioning team actually stepped up, it could be a different story. How that kid with his frame didn't enter this past  season at 220, I'll never know. You can't consistently compete at this level as a PF/C weighing 200-205 absent NBA ability. I thought the staff made a huge error wasting a year of his eligibility for 2 1/2 months of meaningless games in a lost season.

If you look at pictures of him as a freshman and as a soph he's grown quite a bit through his shoulders and biceps. He's pretty jacked up top. If he has Tyra Banks ass he'd be a specimen.

Weight is a funny thing. Maurice Lucas was terrifying at 6'9" 215. Xavier McDaniel was frightening at 6'7" 215. Julius Erving was 6'7" 215. Mel Daniels was 6'9" 220. Yawke is listed at 6'7" 210. Unless you're a golem like that guy on Gonzaga it's not just the weight, it's where the weight is and how you use it.
Vince Lombardi's 5 time NFL champion Green Bay Packers offensive line averaged 230 lbs.  I'm sure they were plenty big enough to win a championship today.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna - PF - PSA - SOUTH FLORIDA
Post by: Poison on April 21, 2017, 12:26:37 AM
Easier said than done. His awful hands, lack of court awareness, and offensive struggles will need to improve a lot.

Everything is easier said than done. KY seems like a good kid and he seems to be a hard worker with a good attitude and there's no reason to think he will not improve as people who practice a thing do in the normal course of practicing a thing. I know it happens - Reggie Jessie, Willie Shaw - but few players get worse over the long term. If he takes a step forward and Owens does and Ahmed does the front court won't be as bad as the sky is falling crowd think. I'm not saying that they don't need help or that the fact that there are no reinforcements on the horizon isn't disappointing, but even without any appreciable influx of talent this is still going to be an interesting basketball team assuming a normal progression.

What makes you think that Yakwe is a hard worker? I think a lack of effort in addition to a lack of understanding is why he was so awful this season. Thing is, he played aggressively as a freshman. We know he's capable. We don't know if that matters to him.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna - PF - PSA - SOUTH FLORIDA
Post by: Foad on April 21, 2017, 08:20:13 AM
Vince Lombardi's 5 time NFL champion Green Bay Packers offensive line averaged 230 lbs.  I'm sure they were plenty big enough to win a championship today.

Are the attributes that lead to success in football the same as those that lead to success at basketball? No. Have basketball players increased in size commensurately to linemen in football over the past 50 years? No. Are there players who thrive at basketball weighing 220 pounds? Yes. Could a player who weighed 120 more pounds than Maurice Lucas - that's the difference between Lombardi's linemen and those of today - say a player 6'9" 350 pounds play basketball? Probably not. Would Maurice Lucas thrive as a Division One basketball player today at the same size he thrived 40 years ago? Probably yes.

So to recap: everyone who read your post is stupider for having done so. How about you put on this dunce cap and go sit in the corner and think about what you've done and when you've resolved to never do it again you can rejoin the rest of the class.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna - PF - PSA - SOUTH FLORIDA
Post by: Poison on April 21, 2017, 08:50:13 AM
Vince Lombardi's 5 time NFL champion Green Bay Packers offensive line averaged 230 lbs.  I'm sure they were plenty big enough to win a championship today.

Are the attributes that lead to success in football the same as those that lead to success at basketball? No. Have basketball players increased in size commensurately to linemen in football over the past 50 years? No. Are there players who thrive at basketball weighing 220 pounds? Yes. Could a player who weighed 120 more pounds than Maurice Lucas - that's the difference between Lombardi's linemen and those of today - say a player 6'9" 350 pounds play basketball? Probably not. Would Maurice Lucas thrive as a Division One basketball player today at the same size he thrived 40 years ago? Probably yes.

So to recap: everyone who read your post is stupider for having done so. How about you put on this dunce cap and go sit in the corner and think about what you've done and when you've resolved to never do it again you can rejoin the rest of the class.


Not everyone at St.John's is a rocket scientist. This ain't Hofstra.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna - PF - PSA - SOUTH FLORIDA
Post by: Foad on April 21, 2017, 08:59:32 AM
What makes you think that Yakwe is a hard worker?

He was born in Africa, moved to a new country, learned its language, assimilated its culture and earned a division one scholarship to one of the most storied basketball programs in history. I suppose that might have all happened randomly but I think it must have taken some small effort on his part.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna - PF - PSA - SOUTH FLORIDA
Post by: Foad on April 21, 2017, 09:01:18 AM
This ain't Hofstra.

Too bad. If it were Jay Wright might be the head coach. Winky.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna - PF - PSA - SOUTH FLORIDA
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on April 21, 2017, 01:40:50 PM
Don't recall JB playing much 5. Burrell and Evans did.

Started at and played plenty 5. 
Title: Re: Alex Yetna - PF - PSA - SOUTH FLORIDA
Post by: Celtics11 on April 21, 2017, 05:16:12 PM
Vince Lombardi's 5 time NFL champion Green Bay Packers offensive line averaged 230 lbs.  I'm sure they were plenty big enough to win a championship today.

Are the attributes that lead to success in football the same as those that lead to success at basketball? No. Have basketball players increased in size commensurately to linemen in football over the past 50 years? No. Are there players who thrive at basketball weighing 220 pounds? Yes. Could a player who weighed 120 more pounds than Maurice Lucas - that's the difference between Lombardi's linemen and those of today - say a player 6'9" 350 pounds play basketball? Probably not. Would Maurice Lucas thrive as a Division One basketball player today at the same size he thrived 40 years ago? Probably yes.

So to recap: everyone who read your post is stupider for having done so. How about you put on this dunce cap and go sit in the corner and think about what you've done and when you've resolved to never do it again you can rejoin the rest of the class.

hey Mr. Sensitive you referenced players from a long time ago which is what I did. the numbers don't have to be in direct proportion to make my point. I used to think guys like Unseld and McGuiness were monsters but when I see them on tape today they almost look skinny. Would love to have a drink with you so I could smash the bottle over your smug head. And Poison why don't you drink some?
Title: Re: Alex Yetna - PF - PSA - SOUTH FLORIDA
Post by: Foad on April 21, 2017, 05:52:27 PM
hey Mr. Sensitive you referenced players from a long time ago which is what I did.

Hey stupid, I referenced basketball players. You referenced football players. Andre the Giant was seven foot six. Babe Ruth was six foot two. Manny Pacquiao is five six. Who cares.


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the numbers don't have to be in direct proportion to make my point.

You didn't have a point. You compared professional football players from 1965 to amateur basketball players from 2017. How tall was Benjamin Franklin? How much did Ethelred the Unready weigh? Beguile me with more germane facts about basketball.


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I used to think guys like Unseld and McGuiness were monsters but when I see them on tape today they almost look skinny.

Wes Unseld was 6-7, 245 lb. McGiness was 6'8" 240. That's fvcking enormous. Rick Mahorn was 6 10 240. Bob Lanier was 6 11 250. Maybe you need glasses.


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Would love to have a drink with you so I could smash the bottle over your smug head

I'm sure you would but I'm very particular about who I drink with, which is why mostly I drink alone. Are you buying? Because I make exceptions.
Title: Re: Alex Yetna - PF - PSA - SOUTH FLORIDA
Post by: survivedc on April 25, 2017, 05:29:34 PM
I'm sure you would but I'm very particular about who I drink with, which is why mostly I drink alone. Are you buying? Because I make exceptions.


Don't worry, I'll buy. I seem to think this verbal abuse would be more amusing in person.