6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: sju89tr on December 03, 2017, 04:24:30 PM
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Any board members going ? Don't really know how many are in LA
If so, would like to get a meet up going
Let me know
You can text me at 909-767-3553
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I think we actually matchup very well with ASU. They only play 7 guys, they aren't brawny or tall, they don't defend, and they are small-guard oriented. Tra Holder had the game of his life against Xavier and they haven't really played anyone else of note. They also play at #3 Kansas two days after us. Can you say trap game?
Lovett will be back...LA was his home for a few years.
Make their "bigs" beat you and don't cheat to help at all. Box out, get some easy buckets in secondary transition off their long misses, and do some Simon to Owens hi-lo action.
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I think we actually matchup very well with ASU. They only play 7 guys, they aren't brawny or tall, they don't defend, and they are small-guard oriented. Tra Holder had the game of his life against Xavier and they haven't really played anyone else of note. They also play at #3 Kansas two days after us. Can you say trap game?
Lovett will be back...LA was his home for a few years.
Make their "bigs" beat you and don't cheat to help at all. Box out, get some easy buckets in secondary transition off their long misses, and do some Simon to Owens hi-lo action.
I think they also beat Kansas State who is 7-1, and #39 in the Kenpom ratings.
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I think we actually matchup very well with ASU. They only play 7 guys, they aren't brawny or tall, they don't defend, and they are small-guard oriented. Tra Holder had the game of his life against Xavier and they haven't really played anyone else of note. They also play at #3 Kansas two days after us. Can you say trap game?
Lovett will be back...LA was his home for a few years.
Make their "bigs" beat you and don't cheat to help at all. Box out, get some easy buckets in secondary transition off their long misses, and do some Simon to Owens hi-lo action.
I think they also beat Kansas State who is 7-1, and #39 in the Kenpom ratings.
They edged out Kansas State 92-90. KSU's only quality opponents so far have been 4-4 GW and and 3-5 Vanderbilt. They were voted to finish second to last in the Big 12 by the coaches. I get the sense that KSU is on par with Marquette.
ASU plays 7 guys. They start 6'9 210 and 6'8 220 freshmen up front with a pair of 6'1 guards and a 6'5 190 shooter at SF. They have a first year 6'10 225 JUCO transfer off the bench as their only front court depth. And all three bigs are foul prone.
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Apparently ASU struggled offensively against San Francisco. Their torrid scoring pace had to sputter at least a little. As I said before the season, we will go as far as our defense and rebounding takes us. We have a very good offense that hasn’t come close to potential yet. That said, defense and rebounding is what it takes to win this game. Maybe mix up defense a bit to confuse them. It’s winnable and would be a very high quality win.
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Is this game on tv? PAC 12 channel
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Is this game on tv? PAC 12 channel
Yes, it's on TV for anyone who has access to the PAC 12 channel. I wouldn't doubt one of those online streamers pick up this game.
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Is this game on tv? PAC 12 channel
Yes, it's on TV for anyone who has access to the PAC 12 channel. I wouldn't doubt one of those online streamers pick up this game.
I have almost every channel. I don’t think I get it with Verizon . Hoping msg picks it up. I will loook when I get home
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Any board members going ? Don't really know how many are in LA
If so, would like to get a meet up going
Let me know
You can text me at 909-767-3553
Hey Ted, looks like I'm going to have to work later than I wanted Friday and might not be able to pregame. If you are going somewhere let me know. I propose a halftime meet up for any posters from either site at the Goose Island stand outside section 108, that's close to wear the St Johns tix per our FB chat. There's also some pretty good food options at Staples. Between games I'll likely go to BS Taqueria or Ludo Bird in the 117-119 area. Hope to see you Friday. I'll post on other site as well.
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Unlike the Grand Canyon game, the ASU game is a no-lose situation for us, but a lot to gain. Top 16 team and away game. They have been scintillating on offense and looking excellent overall with the exception of their game against San Francisco where they weren’t hitting on all cylinders. SJU hasn’t really hit on all cylinders for more than a half at a time this season. We aren’t gonna win this one without a healthy Lovett. We also aren’t gonna win without a much better than average game defending, rebounding and scoring. Not much to lose here but an awful lot of RPI points to gain if we can muster a win on the road. Not sure we can the way we have been looking but we certainly have the talent to do it.
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Any board members going ? Don't really know how many are in LA
If so, would like to get a meet up going
Let me know
You can text me at 909-767-3553
Hey Ted, looks like I'm going to have to work later than I wanted Friday and might not be able to pregame. If you are going somewhere let me know. I propose a halftime meet up for any posters from either site at the Goose Island stand outside section 108, that's close to wear the St Johns tix per our FB chat. There's also some pretty good food options at Staples. Between games I'll likely go to BS Taqueria or Ludo Bird in the 117-119 area. Hope to see you Friday. I'll post on other site as well.
I'll see you there austor. If you get there early, I will be at the Yardhouse with my family.
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Unlike the Grand Canyon game, the ASU game is a no-lose situation for us, but a lot to gain. Top 16 team and away game. They have been scintillating on offense and looking excellent overall with the exception of their game against San Francisco where they weren’t hitting on all cylinders. SJU hasn’t really hit on all cylinders for more than a half at a time this season. We aren’t gonna win this one without a healthy Lovett. We also aren’t gonna win without a much better than average game defending, rebounding and scoring. Not much to lose here but an awful lot of RPI points to gain if we can muster a win on the road. Not sure we can the way we have been looking but we certainly have the talent to do it.
agree, not much to lose here. St. john's has done a nice job thus far positioning itself for the ncaa tourney. only loss is to missouri, who currently has the number 2 rpi. if st. john's avoids losses to georgetown, depaul, st. joe's, and iona, they'll be at 14 wins (i doubt this actually happens based on recent history, but let's hope for the best for argument's sake). While it's hard to predict, given their good standing in rpi, 20 wins probably gets them in or right on the bubble, so they'll need to find 6 (or so) more wins somewhere on the schedule. going 6 - 10 against ASU, Duke, Nova, Creighton, Butler, Xavier, SH, Prov, and Marquette is doable, but will require actually beating some good teams. Obviously picking up a win against either nova or duke would be incredibly helpful to their tourney hopes but that's highly unlikley. so they really need to go 6 - 7 against that other group of teams.
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Unlike the Grand Canyon game, the ASU game is a no-lose situation for us, but a lot to gain. Top 16 team and away game. They have been scintillating on offense and looking excellent overall with the exception of their game against San Francisco where they weren’t hitting on all cylinders. SJU hasn’t really hit on all cylinders for more than a half at a time this season. We aren’t gonna win this one without a healthy Lovett. We also aren’t gonna win without a much better than average game defending, rebounding and scoring. Not much to lose here but an awful lot of RPI points to gain if we can muster a win on the road. Not sure we can the way we have been looking but we certainly have the talent to do it.
Thought this game is in California and is a neutral cite game unless I guess you consider the team closest to the venue the home team.
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TV - Sling TV appears to carry the PAC 12 network On Sling's website there is a free 7 day trial Make sure to scroll down when selecting service packages to check off sports package which includes PAC 12 network
Prediction - Lovett plays without being hampered by injury SJU takes down ASU !!!
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Sounds like Lovett is going to play.
Lovett and Ponds vs Tra Holder should be fun.
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Sounds like Lovett is going to play.
Lovett and Ponds vs Tra Holder should be fun.
I see that Holder is only listed at 6'1, I thinking puting Simon who is 6'5 on Holder and have him smother Holder defensively.
Maybe interrupt Holders game a bit.
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Sounds like Lovett is going to play.
Lovett and Ponds vs Tra Holder should be fun.
I see that Holder is only listed at 6'1, I thinking puting Simon who is 6'5 on Holder and have him smother Holder defensively.
Maybe interrupt Holders game a bit.
Hard to say, but our guards can be equally explosive. Definitely need to give Holder a hard time though. Most of ASU's points come from the outside from guys like holder, Evans etc. our perimeter defense has to be good. Their guards are small and quick like ours. If we rattle them a bit and take control of defensive glass we have a good shot. We are similar teams in some ways. We have good shotblocking inside which could really help us here. I think like marillac said, this isn't a terrible match up in terms of fit. We are equally as fast and athletic. Neither team overly deep. ASU doesn't have a ton of devastating size, most important will be defense, rebounding and disrupting their shooting success.
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We match up well. We are actually deeper and bigger. That probably won't happen again this season. They don't travel well either, so there shouldn't be a crowd advantage.
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We match up well. We are actually deeper and bigger. That probably won't happen again this season. They don't travel well either, so there shouldn't be a crowd advantage.
Yeah they only go 7 deep, and their 4 guards average almost 130 mins per game combined (vs. 114 for St J's 4 guards). 3 of of them are 6-6'1'. But the big one shoots threes really well so he might require SImon. Good matchup for St Johns defensively on the outside. Managing their bigs could be an issue but there's lots of fouls to throw at them. White and Lake both shoot under 60% from the line. Key will be defensive rebounding and limiting second chance points I think. That and turning it into another rock fight. ;)
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https://www.houseofsparky.com/2017/12/6/16743838/asu-basketball-tra-holder-relishes-homecoming-playing-supposed-cousin-against-st-johns
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I surprised this game was not picked up by any local channels. Not much on Friday nights and even for the casual fan they may tune into see a good matchup. It seems like the only option is to purchase one of these tv apps with the free trial and then cancel. That correct? Can’t miss this one, chance for a signature win.
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https://www.houseofsparky.com/2017/12/6/16743838/asu-basketball-tra-holder-relishes-homecoming-playing-supposed-cousin-against-st-johns
I find it really funny that teams are worrying about and preparing for our defense. It's a good sign that it's what we are being noticed for. Defense and rebounding is what will win to game for us if we are effective.
And just as Tra Holder said, their game is moving the ball and making open threes. Disrupmtheir passing lanes, don't help defend much and make em beat us inside the arc. One of these days, our offense is bound to respond too... No lose game for us. Need to play our best. There's a lot to gain here...
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If we can somehow win this one, optimism and expectations around here will be through the roof.
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There's also the Hurley factor. Hope we don't get out coached.
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Per Zach B
Been told the wildfires in Southern California won't impact the St. John's-Arizona State game at Staples Center Friday night. Expected to be played. #sjubb
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Game vs Sacred Heart on TV but not game vs ASU. Pretty annoying!
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Pac 12 network on Fios?
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Pac 12 network on Fios?
They don't have it. I'm going to sign up for a 7 day free trial of sling tv with the sports package and then cancel it after the game
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IS THE GAME BEING TELEVISED ?
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IS THE GAME BEING TELEVISED ?
IS THE GAME BEING TELEVISED ?
Only if Goredmen invites you over for his sling TV scam
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IS THE GAME BEING TELEVISED ?
On the PAC 12 Network, which not everyone has, including my Fios ass
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IS THE GAME BEING TELEVISED ?
YES. SOMEWHERE
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IS THE GAME BEING TELEVISED ?
On the PAC 12 Network, which not everyone has, including my Fios ass
This would be the first time I'd be glad to have Frontier FIOS instead of Verizon FIOS if I wasn't going to the game.
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Get a fire stick and sideload/jailbreak it. Very easy
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IS THE GAME BEING TELEVISED ?
IS THE GAME BEING TELEVISED ?
Only if Goredmen invites you over for his sling TV scam
Ah cmon, it's 2017. Gotta know how to beat the system by now
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I went the sling tv free trial route
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i did as well
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not sure if this was said but Lovett is still in Queens
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http://www.statepress.com/article/2017/12/spsports-asu-faces-tough-weekend-schedule
“We are going to face a team on Friday that plays with such energy and works at it on defense,” Hurley said. “We had some situations today (Wednesday) where we put a sixth defender on the court just to run around and try to trap and make it a little more chaotic because they scramble very well on defense. They rotate very well and have great athletes with length, so it's a big test for us.”
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Per Zach B
Been told the wildfires in Southern California won't impact the St. John's-Arizona State game at Staples Center Friday night. Expected to be played. #sjubb
Fires not really near the Staples Center but could pose some traffic issues for some.
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Johniees 78
Arizona State 72
2 point game with under a min left and Ponds hits a 3 to put us up 5 to seal the game
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Looking forward to the game. Section PR4, Row 3 on the aisle. Goose Island Brewery by Section 108 at halftime. Hope to see some of you there.
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I read that ASU excels at getting to the line and SJU is one of the leaders in fouling. Not a good combination....
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I read that ASU excels at getting to the line and SJU is one of the leaders in fouling. Not a good combination....
They are #1 in the country in Free throw attempts/field goal attempts.
ASU's offensive stats are flat out absurd across the board. Their offense has to crash back down Earth eventually. Hopefully that starts tonight
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I wouldnt use this unless you know what you are doing ( not on a PC without sufficient popup and antivirus) but this will show the game
http://ifirstrowus.eu/watch/604093/1/watch-st.-johns-vs-16arizona-state.html
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A Big East team is playing the 16th ranked team in the country and it's not on local tv?
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A Big East team is playing the 16th ranked team in the country and it's not on local tv?
Ridiculous.
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Two hockey teams that frequently play the Devils - 81
Scum Devils - 80
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A Big East team is playing the 16th ranked team in the country and it's not on local tv?
Ridiculous.
We got it here on strong island. I'm half a bottle of Makers mark in in preparation.
Good luck all!
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Two hockey teams that frequently play the Devils - 81
Scum Devils - 80
Hmm that's the exact score that KenPom spit out for this one...
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As anticipated place is empty.
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Saratoga County has it on Spectrum channel 377
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As anticipated place is empty.
It'll fill up a little more in the 2nd half as the USC people file in. Plus its 5PM there
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Sitting behind Tra Holder's mom. Better stay sober.
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Thank god Lavin is calling the game, I'll know if anyone shares the sugar.
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Where's the guy, who, usually, live calls the, game, I miss, his commentary.
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How hilarious is Doc's send up gonna be in a game with Hollywood doing color?
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Clark finally looking like player we want going strong to basket....good start going be a good one
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Know your place Amar
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Difference in this one so far is they always have 5 high-major players on the floor and we've had an NEC player on the floor once Yakwe picked up his 2nd foul
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It is 4 on 5 with Amar on the court. I dont care if Yakwe and Owens foul out in the first half, one of them has to be on the floor
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Ponds is off.
5 other guys with 2 or more fouls.
their point guard is too fast for us..penetrating at will
and they, like most teams who play us, are hitting threes regularly.
This is going to be an ugly second half if we don't stop fouling.
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Guess now we know why the game wasn't picked up locally
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Refs not helping
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Mullin needs to get a tech
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Mullin needs to get a tech
Or a big
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I'm following the game, per the ESPN stats. I never particularly felt good about this game when I noticed what Arizona State was doing before they played Xavier. Once, I saw how they disposed Xavier, then my feeling for this game sunk even lower.
No LoVett to boot, and the way we often foul just didn't feel like a recipe for winning tonight's game.
I hope we can make it respectable, but I don't see us winning tonight.
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A) Amar is a nice player to have for games against Sacred Heart, but has no business playing at this level
B) Ponds didn't look the same since getting hit in the face with a forearm
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That it's only a 12 point is pretty amazing. Not that we are playing well, but refs are killing us.
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I'm following the game, per the ESPN stats. I never particularly felt good about this game when I noticed what Arizona State was doing before they played Xavier. Once, I saw how they disposed Xavier, then my feeling for this game sunk even lower.
No LoVett to boot, and the way we often foul just didn't feel like a recipe for winning tonight's game.
I hope we can make it respectable, but I don't see us winning tonight.
Despite, the fact, that you are not, watching, the game, I'd, be interested, in your, impressions. What, do you think, about, our, chances, in the second, half?
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Arizona got over-confident and sloppy the last few minutes.
The refs saved them from our making it a single digit game with ludicrous foul calls.
How many SJU players foul out of the game might be the only thing to really gamble on..
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Being down 12 isn’t bad considering how bad they’re playing and how weird the game is being called by the refs. Ponds also missed an easy layup, the front end of a 1 and 1, and had a 3 in and out. Let’s see how they handle this adversity and play in the second half
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Ass u very skilled offensively. Really sharing the sugar, not turning the ball over and rarely taking bad shots.
Point guard Evans playing amazing. One of their bigs shooting 17% from deep prior is 3 for 3 from three.
We were up 1 when Da Ali B first game in. Down 10 when he subbed out. Our players committing fouls while at the table to check in. Walden struggling - Hammer keeping us in it.
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I'm following the game, per the ESPN stats. I never particularly felt good about this game when I noticed what Arizona State was doing before they played Xavier. Once, I saw how they disposed Xavier, then my feeling for this game sunk even lower.
No LoVett to boot, and the way we often foul just didn't feel like a recipe for winning tonight's game.
I hope we can make it respectable, but I don't see us winning tonight.
Despite, the fact, that you are not, watching, the game, I'd, be interested, in your, impressions. What, do you think, about, our, chances, in the second, half?
Tell me about grading papers, douchebag, pussy ass bitch.
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Ponds looks hesitant tonight. Doesn't have his usual killer instinct
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I'm following the game, per the ESPN stats. I never particularly felt good about this game when I noticed what Arizona State was doing before they played Xavier. Once, I saw how they disposed Xavier, then my feeling for this game sunk even lower.
No LoVett to boot, and the way we often foul just didn't feel like a recipe for winning tonight's game.
I hope we can make it respectable, but I don't see us winning tonight.
Despite, the fact, that you are not, watching, the game, I'd, be interested, in your, impressions. What, do you think, about, our, chances, in the second, half?
Tell me about grading papers, douchebag, pussy ass bitch.
All, in all, I was, a pretty, easy, grader. You spelled pussyass wrong though.
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I'm following the game, per the ESPN stats. I never particularly felt good about this game when I noticed what Arizona State was doing before they played Xavier. Once, I saw how they disposed Xavier, then my feeling for this game sunk even lower.
No LoVett to boot, and the way we often foul just didn't feel like a recipe for winning tonight's game.
I hope we can make it respectable, but I don't see us winning tonight.
Despite, the fact, that you are not, watching, the game, I'd, be interested, in your, impressions. What, do you think, about, our, chances, in the second, half?
Tell me about grading papers, douchebag, pussy ass bitch.
All, in all, I was, a pretty, easy, grader. You spelled pussyass wrong though.
Maybe, I should spell it on your mailbox. But, then you'd run and tell, punk bastard.
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If Lovett was healthy ASU is toast...
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Defense much better the last 5-6 mins. Focusing more on moving the feet rather than reaching in. Just need a couple of these Ponds looks to fall
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Ponds is 4 for 17...that's huge with no Lovett
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again we have it down to six...and we are fouled...
who knows..if Ponds starts hitting????
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I'm following the game, per the ESPN stats. I never particularly felt good about this game when I noticed what Arizona State was doing before they played Xavier. Once, I saw how they disposed Xavier, then my feeling for this game sunk even lower.
No LoVett to boot, and the way we often foul just didn't feel like a recipe for winning tonight's game.
I hope we can make it respectable, but I don't see us winning tonight.
Despite, the fact, that you are not, watching, the game, I'd, be interested, in your, impressions. What, do you think, about, our, chances, in the second, half?
Tell me about grading papers, douchebag, pussy ass bitch.
All, in all, I was, a pretty, easy, grader. You spelled pussyass wrong though.
Maybe, I should spell it on your mailbox. But, then you'd run and tell, punk bastard.
Interfering with, my mailbox, would be a federal, crime, stupid. See also, the federal, code. You are, so, stupid, it's, painful.
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I'm following the game, per the ESPN stats. I never particularly felt good about this game when I noticed what Arizona State was doing before they played Xavier. Once, I saw how they disposed Xavier, then my feeling for this game sunk even lower.
No LoVett to boot, and the way we often foul just didn't feel like a recipe for winning tonight's game.
I hope we can make it respectable, but I don't see us winning tonight.
Despite, the fact, that you are not, watching, the game, I'd, be interested, in your, impressions. What, do you think, about, our, chances, in the second, half?
Tell me about grading papers, douchebag, pussy ass bitch.
All, in all, I was, a pretty, easy, grader. You spelled pussyass wrong though.
Maybe, I should spell it on your mailbox. But, then you'd run and tell, punk bastard.
Interfering with, my mailbox, would be a federal, crime, stupid. See also, the federal, code. You are, so, stupid, it's, painful.
You're a simpleton, too, if you think I didn't already know that. I'm playing your dumb ass, punk.
You're such a loudmouth, insecure pussy who THINKS he's hiding behind his moniker.
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Too many missed opportunities
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and too much trash on this board tonight.
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Shamorie Ponds, woof
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We are still playing like crap on offense, missing our second best player and barely losing. Yeah we are gonna be fine. If we had Lovett total different story and it’s still close...
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We're making a heckuva run.
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Caught a break on a missed goaltending on Owens then a brutal foul call on Ahmed
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each miss, each foul is just brutal at this point..
we have come from so far back with so many contributing..
we need that last piece...
another stupid foul against us ...refs are brutal too
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Refs are awful tonight!! Both ways
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Ahmed fouls as we are down 2 and AZ goes to the line.
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Ahmed fouls as we are down 2 and AZ goes to the line.
Dang!
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Good fight. Need a bucket on this possession or it's over. Either way, I'm not upset with the way we played.
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Just not there yet. Little things will come back and bite us in the ass.
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Awful turnover with a chance to take a lead. Then a one point game turns to 6. We win with Lovett.
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Simon's pass was not anticipated nor well timed.
Then they hit another big 3.
Very tough game...
we need to hit a couple of 3s now..
instead we miss the foul shot and they hit theirs.
frustrating..so close but it slips away
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we cut it to ONE friggin point..
then we turn it over...and suddenly we lose by double digits...probably.
doesn't indicate the fight we gave them
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Positives:
- Great D in the 2nd half
- Fought hard after being down big
- Were in the game despite a terrible shooting night from Ponds
- Clark can really shoot
- If the staff didn't know before today they sure know now that Amar can't see the court against good teams. He was lost in the 1st half and didn't play at all in the 2nd half
Negatives:
- Missed opportunities
- Free throws
- Amar
- Lost
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Simon's pass
Simon almost threw the game away against UCF, Simon almost threw the game away against GCSU, finally tonight he succeeded. Down one, with the ball, stupid pass, game over.
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If Simon doesn't turn the ball over there, it's very possible we win. All momentum was in our favor.
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We're a good team. Gotta beat St. Joe's and Iona
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Tough Loss....Team Played very good in second half.....Two Biggest Plays were 1. Simon's Turnover 2. Awful Offense Foul Call on Bashir....Team Fought and i do believe we win this game with Lovett....Must win next two be 10-2 going into big east. Owens and Clark played there best games and if we get contributions from them going forward we are going to be dangerous. Beside for Nova ...I think we can/should beat every team at least once.
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3 points off the bench. Ugh
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Simon's errant pass was the dagger, but Ponds was off all night
6 of 23 from field.... 1 of 8 from 3. Sloppy layups and he was playing back to the basket a lot too. He did not seem fully engaged most of the game... maybe it was the fat lip he got.
Ahmed is just Ahmed...
Clark & Owens carried us.
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It’s not encouraging that Ponds was 6/23. Lovett a DNP and we still barely lost to an excellent top 16 team? I know there are no good losses, but we literally lost to a top 16 team just because we didn’t play with a full lineup and we still haven’t found our offense. We are limiting ourselves, otherwise we’d be undefeated and rather easily at that...
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/12/08/no-16-arizona-state-knocks-off-st-johns-three-takeaways/
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I understand they had a shot and Arizona St is good and Lovett not being there hurts. But they need to start winning these games. They need to start making the plays at the end. No guarantees that they will win all the games we think they should win. Have to get the next 2.
Again not the end of the world they lost and they had a shot in the 2nd half with the ball but at some point they need to win these games.
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I understand they had a shot and Arizona St is good and Lovett not being there hurts. But they need to start winning these games. They need to start making the plays at the end. No guarantees that they will win all the games we think they should win. Have to get the next 2.
Again not the end of the world they lost and they had a shot in the 2nd half with the ball but at some point they need to win these games.
I understand they had a shot and Arizona St is good and Lovett not being there hurts. But they need to start winning these games. They need to start making the plays at the end. No guarantees that they will win all the games we think they should win. Have to get the next 2.
Again not the end of the world they lost and they had a shot in the 2nd half with the ball but at some point they need to win these games.
Top 16 team, we have a short bench and without arguably our second best/best player. With Lovett we win this one going away and arenin top 25 Monday. We still aren’t playing well on offense and we need to. We are playing well on defense which is more important imo. Our offense sooner or later will kick in I’m confident. A top 16 team averaging about 100 ppg isnt an easy game without a major starter. I agree we could have won this one. Ponds still hasn’t hit his rhythm and Lovett out. When they’re both firing, they’re like 2+ Tra Holders...
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Ps second game still empty.
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If Simon doesn't turn the ball over there, it's very possible we win. All momentum was in our favor.
Yeah, my friend said the same exact thing. That was the moment. Still, a good effort. We battled back into it. I like what saw. Plenty of work to do, but we’re making progress. Next couple of games, it’s gotta click for us. We need everyone playing well at the same time.
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Post game quotes
http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/120817aaa.html
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I gotta say, it's easier to pay attention to the game at home on TV with less beer. Spent too much of the 2nd half chatting with Ted and Lisa until we realized they had made it close.
Love the effort to get back into the game. I'll leave it at that.
Great atmosphere. Had a quick hello with Coach Mahoney. About 70% of the STJ fans were friends and family of Justin Simon. Met his ma, pa and grandma and they were all quite nice. Weird, at halftime of the OK USC game they had a Hall of Fame lineup and it included Elgin Baylor, Jamaal Wilkes, Walton, Ralph Sampson and Mitch but not Chris. Odd. As some mentioned Artest and Mark Jackson in the front row for the game.
My wife saw some guys watching Ted and I chat and they were saying "That's Ted" but they walked away without introducing themselves. Gotta assume they were posters. Sorry we missed you.
Good time was had by all.
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59% Ft's for us and 85% for them in a tight game. That's all she wrote.
6 for 23 and 1 for 8 from our star guard ain't gonna get it done. Their star guard was great. In fact their entire offense looked all world first half. They really were sharing the sugar.
Just prior to the Simon turnover everyone's talking bout (wasn't the ref. in the way?) Bash had missed an open three to take the lead and was victimized on the phantom charge that would have tied it.
Glad we fought gallantly second half to get back in it but disappointing to lose a winnable game that would have projected us into the national rankings.
The announcing team was exceptionally strong. Despite one of them falling in love with the "rock fight" description too much.
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All I'm saying is, they are much more competitive in their losses, which is a good thing. Again many of their losses last year they were blown out.
Now the next step is they need to finish especially away from home against some of these better teams.
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Ya definitely a better loss than we had last year
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I gotta admit. This team is much improved. Very encouraging if they keep this up the rest of the way. Fun having a competitive team to watch.
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This is a team that's one major player away from being relevant. As I wrote before, we need a player who can put the team on his back. With Lovett out, we were two players away. We were way down in the first half. Arizona toyed with us in the second half...then when it mattered, they scored the final eleven points. Cat and mouse...and we're the mouse.
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West coast recap: http://www.bigeastboards.com/
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West coast recap: http://www.bigeastboards.com/
You said Dan Majerle looked like an eggplant. A friend of mine said he looked like Shreck.
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This is a team that's one major player away from being relevant. As I wrote before, we need a player who can put the team on his back. With Lovett out, we were two players away. We were way down in the first half. Arizona toyed with us in the second half...then when it mattered, they scored the final eleven points. Cat and mouse...and we're the mouse.
We don’t even a have a full roster of players, and you’re asking for Ron Artest to walk through the door. The time to recruit was before the season started.
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This is a team that's one major player away from being relevant. As I wrote before, we need a player who can put the team on his back. With Lovett out, we were two players away. We were way down in the first half. Arizona toyed with us in the second half...then when it mattered, they scored the final eleven points. Cat and mouse...and we're the mouse.
You didn’t watch the game, if that is your conclusion.
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This is a team that's one major player away from being relevant. As I wrote before, we need a player who can put the team on his back. With Lovett out, we were two players away. We were way down in the first half. Arizona toyed with us in the second half...then when it mattered, they scored the final eleven points. Cat and mouse...and we're the mouse.
You didn’t watch the game, if that is your conclusion.
This is the only game I missed. That's how I reached the conclusion. This team is developing a predictable body of work. It's a far cry better than last year and the year before. We're one player short.
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I understand they had a shot and Arizona St is good and Lovett not being there hurts. But they need to start winning these games. They need to start making the plays at the end. No guarantees that they will win all the games we think they should win. Have to get the next 2.
Again not the end of the world they lost and they had a shot in the 2nd half with the ball but at some point they need to win these games.
I understand they had a shot and Arizona St is good and Lovett not being there hurts. But they need to start winning these games. They need to start making the plays at the end. No guarantees that they will win all the games we think they should win. Have to get the next 2.
Again not the end of the world they lost and they had a shot in the 2nd half with the ball but at some point they need to win these games.
Top 16 team, we have a short bench and without arguably our second best/best player. With Lovett we win this one going away and arenin top 25 Monday. We still aren’t playing well on offense and we need to. We are playing well on defense which is more important imo. Our offense sooner or later will kick in I’m confident. A top 16 team averaging about 100 ppg isnt an easy game without a major starter. I agree we could have won this one. Ponds still hasn’t hit his rhythm and Lovett out. When they’re both firing, they’re like 2+ Tra Holders...
With Lovett we win, well what if their good injured player wasn't injured, would we win even with Lovett?
It makes me laugh that people cry over Lovett.
Well AZ St. has no depth with their injured player as well.
And yeah Ponds was off, but wasn't Holder as well with only 7pnts?
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I understand they had a shot and Arizona St is good and Lovett not being there hurts. But they need to start winning these games. They need to start making the plays at the end. No guarantees that they will win all the games we think they should win. Have to get the next 2.
Again not the end of the world they lost and they had a shot in the 2nd half with the ball but at some point they need to win these games.
I understand they had a shot and Arizona St is good and Lovett not being there hurts. But they need to start winning these games. They need to start making the plays at the end. No guarantees that they will win all the games we think they should win. Have to get the next 2.
Again not the end of the world they lost and they had a shot in the 2nd half with the ball but at some point they need to win these games.
Top 16 team, we have a short bench and without arguably our second best/best player. With Lovett we win this one going away and arenin top 25 Monday. We still aren’t playing well on offense and we need to. We are playing well on defense which is more important imo. Our offense sooner or later will kick in I’m confident. A top 16 team averaging about 100 ppg isnt an easy game without a major starter. I agree we could have won this one. Ponds still hasn’t hit his rhythm and Lovett out. When they’re both firing, they’re like 2+ Tra Holders...
With Lovett we win, well what if their good injured player wasn't injured, would we win even with Lovett?
It makes me laugh that people cry over Lovett.
Well AZ St. has no depth with their injured player as well.
And yeah Ponds was off, but wasn't Holder as well with only 7pnts?
What top player from Arizona State was missing? All their big dawgs played last night. They may have had an injured reserve who barely played any minutes, but anyone that actually mattered for Arizona State suited up and played last night.
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4 star freshman ranked in ESPN top 60 has been out w/ injury
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.houseofsparky.com/platform/amp/2017/11/14/16648072/reports-freshman-kimani-lawrence-to-miss-4-6-weeks-of-asu-basketball-with-foot-injury
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4 star freshman ranked in ESPN top 60 has been out w/ injury
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.houseofsparky.com/platform/amp/2017/11/14/16648072/reports-freshman-kimani-lawrence-to-miss-4-6-weeks-of-asu-basketball-with-foot-injury
I stand corrected. I guess I wasn't aware since he's been out awhile.
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ASU also added 2016 winter transfer Mikey Mitchell from Oh St today. Was a 4 star out of HS. ST J missed him by just a couple days. Their fans were rightfully very high on their team this year once all the parts are in, and next year they add former 5 star transfer Carlton Bragg from Kansas.
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This is a team that's one major player away from being relevant. As I wrote before, we need a player who can put the team on his back. With Lovett out, we were two players away. We were way down in the first half. Arizona toyed with us in the second half...then when it mattered, they scored the final eleven points. Cat and mouse...and we're the mouse.
You didn’t watch the game, if that is your conclusion.
This is the only game I missed. That's how I reached the conclusion. This team is developing a predictable body of work. It's a far cry better than last year and the year before. We're one player short.
So you don't watch the game, but proceed to make a post about ASU toying with us? Ridiculous.
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ASU up 13 on Kansas with under 10 to go.
Quite frankly, the Sun Devils just look like the better team.
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Simon is a disaster at the end of basketball games. He should not touch the ball late in close games.
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Arizona State just beat Kansas in Kansas! They are legit.
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Arizona State just beat Kansas in Kansas! They are legit.
They hung 58 on Kansas in the 2nd half...wow
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Arizona State just beat Kansas in Kansas! They are legit.
They hung 58 on Kansas in the 2nd half...wow
Could it be that SJ defense is legit? Because it looks legit.
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If we had beaten Az State before they took down Kansas in Kansas, that would mean something. Having lost to them, all it says is that they're undefeated and off to a tremendous start.
We have to stop getting into 17 or 18 point holes and start putting together a whole 40 minutes against teams. It's time for us to beat some teams ourselves if we want to make a big leap forward from last year's results. Getting to be put up or shut up time.
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If we had beaten Az State before they took down Kansas in Kansas, that would mean something. Having lost to them, all it says is that they're undefeated and off to a tremendous start.
Pretty sure that's not how RPI works. The better the teams you lose to does, the better it is for you.
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Arizona State just beat Kansas in Kansas! They are legit.
They hung 58 on Kansas in the 2nd half...wow
Could it be that SJ defense is legit? Because it looks legit.
Yay, moral victories! Those are always more fun than real ones
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I understand that Az State's win over Kansas boosts our RPI. And it's clear that our defense with Simon and Clark is far better than last year's . I still think this team can take a big leap forward this year, but if that's going to happen, we can't lose to Iona in MSG or to St. Joe's on a neutral court. After that, with our early conference schedule, we really do need to beat Providence at home to kick off BE play. We will know way more about this team by the end of this month.
Would love to get a healthy LoVett back now for the rest of the season. Our D is much improved, and we can run with anybody, but our half court play and shot selection have to improve. Right now, Clark is our best shooter, so he needs more shots. Think he's coming on now, which will only open things up way more for our guards. Would like to see Ahmed as a catch and shoot corner guy. He's way better when his feet are set. Guys should settle into more defined roles once we play a few more games. This is a very important three game stretch.
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Arizona State just beat Kansas in Kansas! They are legit.
They hung 58 on Kansas in the 2nd half...wow
Could it be that SJ defense is legit? Because it looks legit.
Yay, moral victories! Those are always more fun than real ones
Did you expect this team to be undefeated at this point?
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Arizona State just beat Kansas in Kansas! They are legit.
They hung 58 on Kansas in the 2nd half...wow
Could it be that SJ defense is legit? Because it looks legit.
Yay, moral victories! Those are always more fun than real ones
Did you expect this team to be undefeated at this point?
No, but we shouldn't celebrate losing just because the defense may have been halfway decent
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Simon is a disaster at the end of basketball games. He should not touch the ball late in close games.
Good idea.
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Arizona State just beat Kansas in Kansas! They are legit.
They hung 58 on Kansas in the 2nd half...wow
Could it be that SJ defense is legit? Because it looks legit.
Looks like it to me.
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They were Lovett away from potentially coming out of LA with a win vs. Arizona State and they're for real, beating Kansas as well. If Lovett comes back and they take care of business vs. Iona and St. Joe's, you have to be happy with 10-2 going into conference play. If the defense remains like this, they can hang in there against strong competition, even if they aren't deep enough to be at that level. I'm not one for moral victories but I am seeing consistent year to year improvement in Mullin's teams.
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They were Lovett away from potentially coming out of LA with a win vs. Arizona State and they're for real, beating Kansas as well. If Lovett comes back and they take care of business vs. Iona and St. Joe's, you have to be happy with 10-2 going into conference play. If the defense remains like this, they can hang in there against strong competition, even if they aren't deep enough to be at that level. I'm not one for moral victories but I am seeing consistent year to year improvement in Mullin's teams.
I disagree. I don't think we can be happy with being 10-2 but also don't think we should hate it. We've played 2 teams that will be in the mix for a tournament berth come March and lost both. Assuming we beat Iona and St Joes and lose to Duke that puts us at 10-3 total in non-conference. Then assume we go 9-9 in BE play which I think is fair and we are 19-12 heading into the BET. That probably has us on the wrong side of the bubble needing to win a couple BET games
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They were Lovett away from potentially coming out of LA with a win vs. Arizona State and they're for real, beating Kansas as well. If Lovett comes back and they take care of business vs. Iona and St. Joe's, you have to be happy with 10-2 going into conference play. If the defense remains like this, they can hang in there against strong competition, even if they aren't deep enough to be at that level. I'm not one for moral victories but I am seeing consistent year to year improvement in Mullin's teams.
I disagree. I don't think we can be happy with being 10-2 but also don't think we should hate it. We've played 2 teams that will be in the mix for a tournament berth come March and lost both. Assuming we beat Iona and St Joes and lose to Duke that puts us at 10-3 total in non-conference. Then assume we go 9-9 in BE play which I think is fair and we are 19-12 heading into the BET. That probably has us on the wrong side of the bubble needing to win a couple BET games
You can be realistic though. We've won the games we were supposed to win (vast difference from last year), have won some that we certainly would've lost last year and lost a few that we played well enough to win. Expectations have to be based on something, this team at this point is meeting or exceeding expectations. Let's see what happens going forward.
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They were Lovett away from potentially coming out of LA with a win vs. Arizona State and they're for real, beating Kansas as well. If Lovett comes back and they take care of business vs. Iona and St. Joe's, you have to be happy with 10-2 going into conference play. If the defense remains like this, they can hang in there against strong competition, even if they aren't deep enough to be at that level. I'm not one for moral victories but I am seeing consistent year to year improvement in Mullin's teams.
I disagree. I don't think we can be happy with being 10-2 but also don't think we should hate it. We've played 2 teams that will be in the mix for a tournament berth come March and lost both. Assuming we beat Iona and St Joes and lose to Duke that puts us at 10-3 total in non-conference. Then assume we go 9-9 in BE play which I think is fair and we are 19-12 heading into the BET. That probably has us on the wrong side of the bubble needing to win a couple BET games
You can be realistic though. We've won the games we were supposed to win (vast difference from last year), have won some that we certainly would've lost last year and lost a few that we played well enough to win. Expectations have to be based on something, this team at this point is meeting or exceeding expectations. Let's see what happens going forward.
It's early but I wouldn't say this team is exceeding expectations just yet. The best win is over an ok UCF team that was missing 2 of their best players.
Had our record been 10-2, but we beat Missouri and lost to West Va then it would be a much different story
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I agree with the guys saying that the 2 loses are not ideal cause those teams are NCAA caliber teams. However, win our next two and there would be 0 bad loses, that looks good in the eyes of the committee. Also team played 6 games away from home and could be 4-2- something the committee takes very seriously. The big east is loaded, we are going to get our fair share of quality games, so right now, I’m not concerned with not beating mizz or asu. Both those games we were underdogs, expected to lose, but the eye test says we competed with both.
I believe we go 11-7 in conference. The key will be how we start over first 6, cause the last 6 of season, we could potentially go 5-1. Go 4-5 on road and 7-2 at home, very doable.
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They were Lovett away from potentially coming out of LA with a win vs. Arizona State and they're for real, beating Kansas as well. If Lovett comes back and they take care of business vs. Iona and St. Joe's, you have to be happy with 10-2 going into conference play. If the defense remains like this, they can hang in there against strong competition, even if they aren't deep enough to be at that level. I'm not one for moral victories but I am seeing consistent year to year improvement in Mullin's teams.
I disagree. I don't think we can be happy with being 10-2 but also don't think we should hate it. We've played 2 teams that will be in the mix for a tournament berth come March and lost both. Assuming we beat Iona and St Joes and lose to Duke that puts us at 10-3 total in non-conference. Then assume we go 9-9 in BE play which I think is fair and we are 19-12 heading into the BET. That probably has us on the wrong side of the bubble needing to win a couple BET games
You can be realistic though. We've won the games we were supposed to win (vast difference from last year), have won some that we certainly would've lost last year and lost a few that we played well enough to win. Expectations have to be based on something, this team at this point is meeting or exceeding expectations. Let's see what happens going forward.
Why even compare us to last year when we stunk. Of course we are better this year we have more good players and everyone expected and knew we would be better than last year. We started at rock bottom so anyone would have us improving in year 2 and 3. We have played two good teams and lost both. we have plenty of games coming up against good teams let's just hope we can win our fare share of them. As others say we shall see. We need some wins over over Nova, Xavier and the Hall to have truly arrived.
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I agree with the guys saying that the 2 loses are not ideal cause those teams are NCAA caliber teams. However, win our next two and there would be 0 bad loses, that looks good in the eyes of the committee. Also team played 6 games away from home and could be 4-2- something the committee takes very seriously. The big east is loaded, we are going to get our fair share of quality games, so right now, I’m not concerned with not beating mizz or asu. Both those games we were underdogs, expected to lose, but the eye test says we competed with both.
I believe we go 11-7 in conference. The key will be how we start over first 6, cause the last 6 of season, we could potentially go 5-1. Go 4-5 on road and 7-2 at home, very doable.
11-7 in conference is very optimistic IMO
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They were Lovett away from potentially coming out of LA with a win vs. Arizona State and they're for real, beating Kansas as well. If Lovett comes back and they take care of business vs. Iona and St. Joe's, you have to be happy with 10-2 going into conference play. If the defense remains like this, they can hang in there against strong competition, even if they aren't deep enough to be at that level. I'm not one for moral victories but I am seeing consistent year to year improvement in Mullin's teams.
I disagree. I don't think we can be happy with being 10-2 but also don't think we should hate it. We've played 2 teams that will be in the mix for a tournament berth come March and lost both. Assuming we beat Iona and St Joes and lose to Duke that puts us at 10-3 total in non-conference. Then assume we go 9-9 in BE play which I think is fair and we are 19-12 heading into the BET. That probably has us on the wrong side of the bubble needing to win a couple BET games
You can be realistic though. We've won the games we were supposed to win (vast difference from last year), have won some that we certainly would've lost last year and lost a few that we played well enough to win. Expectations have to be based on something, this team at this point is meeting or exceeding expectations. Let's see what happens going forward.
Why even compare us to last year when we stunk. Of course we are better this year we have more good players and everyone expected and knew we would be better than last year. We started at rock bottom so anyone would have us improving in year 2 and 3. We have played two good teams and lost both. we have plenty of games coming up against good teams let's just hope we can win our fare share of them. As others say we shall see. We need some wins over over Nova, Xavier and the Hall to have truly arrived.
If you don't compare us to last year, what are you comparing this team to?
Reading these posts its amazing how many expected this team to be undefeated before conference play...
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You can make a case that Arizona St should be no. 1 in the country right now. I don't think they are the best team but the most deserving team right now I think is ASU.
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They were Lovett away from potentially coming out of LA with a win vs. Arizona State and they're for real, beating Kansas as well. If Lovett comes back and they take care of business vs. Iona and St. Joe's, you have to be happy with 10-2 going into conference play. If the defense remains like this, they can hang in there against strong competition, even if they aren't deep enough to be at that level. I'm not one for moral victories but I am seeing consistent year to year improvement in Mullin's teams.
I disagree. I don't think we can be happy with being 10-2 but also don't think we should hate it. We've played 2 teams that will be in the mix for a tournament berth come March and lost both. Assuming we beat Iona and St Joes and lose to Duke that puts us at 10-3 total in non-conference. Then assume we go 9-9 in BE play which I think is fair and we are 19-12 heading into the BET. That probably has us on the wrong side of the bubble needing to win a couple BET games
You can be realistic though. We've won the games we were supposed to win (vast difference from last year), have won some that we certainly would've lost last year and lost a few that we played well enough to win. Expectations have to be based on something, this team at this point is meeting or exceeding expectations. Let's see what happens going forward.
Why even compare us to last year when we stunk. Of course we are better this year we have more good players and everyone expected and knew we would be better than last year. We started at rock bottom so anyone would have us improving in year 2 and 3. We have played two good teams and lost both. we have plenty of games coming up against good teams let's just hope we can win our fare share of them. As others say we shall see. We need some wins over over Nova, Xavier and the Hall to have truly arrived.
If you don't compare us to last year, what are you comparing this team to?
Reading these posts its amazing how many expected this team to be undefeated before conference play...
I don't think anybody here expected this team to be undefeated going into conference play, but this 10-2 start is on par with what this team is, which is a fringe tournament team. Again, if the 10-2 was with a win over Missouri and loss to West VA instead of loss to Mizzou and W over UCF that's a very different 10-2
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They were Lovett away from potentially coming out of LA with a win vs. Arizona State and they're for real, beating Kansas as well. If Lovett comes back and they take care of business vs. Iona and St. Joe's, you have to be happy with 10-2 going into conference play. If the defense remains like this, they can hang in there against strong competition, even if they aren't deep enough to be at that level. I'm not one for moral victories but I am seeing consistent year to year improvement in Mullin's teams.
I disagree. I don't think we can be happy with being 10-2 but also don't think we should hate it. We've played 2 teams that will be in the mix for a tournament berth come March and lost both. Assuming we beat Iona and St Joes and lose to Duke that puts us at 10-3 total in non-conference. Then assume we go 9-9 in BE play which I think is fair and we are 19-12 heading into the BET. That probably has us on the wrong side of the bubble needing to win a couple BET games
You can be realistic though. We've won the games we were supposed to win (vast difference from last year), have won some that we certainly would've lost last year and lost a few that we played well enough to win. Expectations have to be based on something, this team at this point is meeting or exceeding expectations. Let's see what happens going forward.
Why even compare us to last year when we stunk. Of course we are better this year we have more good players and everyone expected and knew we would be better than last year. We started at rock bottom so anyone would have us improving in year 2 and 3. We have played two good teams and lost both. we have plenty of games coming up against good teams let's just hope we can win our fare share of them. As others say we shall see. We need some wins over over Nova, Xavier and the Hall to have truly arrived.
If you don't compare us to last year, what are you comparing this team to?
Reading these posts its amazing how many expected this team to be undefeated before conference play...
They were Lovett away from potentially coming out of LA with a win vs. Arizona State and they're for real, beating Kansas as well. If Lovett comes back and they take care of business vs. Iona and St. Joe's, you have to be happy with 10-2 going into conference play. If the defense remains like this, they can hang in there against strong competition, even if they aren't deep enough to be at that level. I'm not one for moral victories but I am seeing consistent year to year improvement in Mullin's teams.
I disagree. I don't think we can be happy with being 10-2 but also don't think we should hate it. We've played 2 teams that will be in the mix for a tournament berth come March and lost both. Assuming we beat Iona and St Joes and lose to Duke that puts us at 10-3 total in non-conference. Then assume we go 9-9 in BE play which I think is fair and we are 19-12 heading into the BET. That probably has us on the wrong side of the bubble needing to win a couple BET games
You can be realistic though. We've won the games we were supposed to win (vast difference from last year), have won some that we certainly would've lost last year and lost a few that we played well enough to win. Expectations have to be based on something, this team at this point is meeting or exceeding expectations. Let's see what happens going forward.
Why even compare us to last year when we stunk. Of course we are better this year we have more good players and everyone expected and knew we would be better than last year. We started at rock bottom so anyone would have us improving in year 2 and 3. We have played two good teams and lost both. we have plenty of games coming up against good teams let's just hope we can win our fare share of them. As others say we shall see. We need some wins over over Nova, Xavier and the Hall to have truly arrived.
If you don't compare us to last year, what are you comparing this team to?
Reading these posts its amazing how many expected this team to be undefeated before conference play...
Because we SUCKED last year. If you want to compare us to a team that SUCKED and say we SUCK less this year go right ahead. I just try to assess the talent on this year's team and assess what we can accomplish based on what I see out on the court this year. I don't give a F what we did last year move on. Of course we are better than last year what good does that do us? It depends on what we do this year.
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One Garfunkel turnover is just that. One play among hundreds that make up a basketball game. He certainly didn't lose it for us.
40 assists to 26 turnovers are more than reasonable numbers for a guard. We've had much worse ( I know it's well established that this board doesn't give a da*n about Assist/To ratio but i like it. )
When you look at the awesome shooting numbers; the team leading 25 steals; and him being the premier reason for the defensive transformation - not a day goes by that I don't thank my lucky stars for Justin Simon.
P.S.
Looking forward a bit. The sold out BE opener at Alumni Hall vs. the Friars is gonna be off the hook. Get your tickets now JJer's. Atmosphere will be electric in there. I'm bringing a big entourage.
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I agree with the guys saying that the 2 loses are not ideal cause those teams are NCAA caliber teams. However, win our next two and there would be 0 bad loses, that looks good in the eyes of the committee. Also team played 6 games away from home and could be 4-2- something the committee takes very seriously. The big east is loaded, we are going to get our fair share of quality games, so right now, I’m not concerned with not beating mizz or asu. Both those games we were underdogs, expected to lose, but the eye test says we competed with both.
I believe we go 11-7 in conference. The key will be how we start over first 6, cause the last 6 of season, we could potentially go 5-1. Go 4-5 on road and 7-2 at home, very doable.
11-7 in conference is very optimistic IMO
Agreed, I think we sweep GT and DePaul,, get swept by X and Vill, go 6-4 against the rest. 10-8. Best case scenario is we steal one from X and Vill. Any key injuries and we are history.
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I agree with the guys saying that the 2 loses are not ideal cause those teams are NCAA caliber teams. However, win our next two and there would be 0 bad loses, that looks good in the eyes of the committee. Also team played 6 games away from home and could be 4-2- something the committee takes very seriously. The big east is loaded, we are going to get our fair share of quality games, so right now, I’m not concerned with not beating mizz or asu. Both those games we were underdogs, expected to lose, but the eye test says we competed with both.
I believe we go 11-7 in conference. The key will be how we start over first 6, cause the last 6 of season, we could potentially go 5-1. Go 4-5 on road and 7-2 at home, very doable.
11-7 in conference is very optimistic IMO
Agreed, I think we sweep GT and DePaul,, get swept by X and Vill, go 6-4 against the rest. 10-8. Best case scenario is we steal one from X and Vill. Any key injuries and we are history.
That 3 game stretch against X, Duke and @Nova is gonna be tough but I think we will win one of those, assuming no injuries on our side. Even then, so much can change between now and then, this team is a consistent offense away from being pretty dangerous IMO.
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I agree with the guys saying that the 2 loses are not ideal cause those teams are NCAA caliber teams. However, win our next two and there would be 0 bad loses, that looks good in the eyes of the committee. Also team played 6 games away from home and could be 4-2- something the committee takes very seriously. The big east is loaded, we are going to get our fair share of quality games, so right now, I’m not concerned with not beating mizz or asu. Both those games we were underdogs, expected to lose, but the eye test says we competed with both.
I believe we go 11-7 in conference. The key will be how we start over first 6, cause the last 6 of season, we could potentially go 5-1. Go 4-5 on road and 7-2 at home, very doable.
11-7 in conference is very optimistic IMO
We are talking a 4 game swing year over year to get to 11-7. Last year we lost(away) to Gtown, SHU, Nova, Butler, Creighton, Xavier, and Marq. This year, I expect to beat two of those teams on road. At home we lost to Nova, Xavier, Creighton, and Providence. This year, I expect to win 2 of those.
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I agree with the guys saying that the 2 loses are not ideal cause those teams are NCAA caliber teams. However, win our next two and there would be 0 bad loses, that looks good in the eyes of the committee. Also team played 6 games away from home and could be 4-2- something the committee takes very seriously. The big east is loaded, we are going to get our fair share of quality games, so right now, I’m not concerned with not beating mizz or asu. Both those games we were underdogs, expected to lose, but the eye test says we competed with both.
I believe we go 11-7 in conference. The key will be how we start over first 6, cause the last 6 of season, we could potentially go 5-1. Go 4-5 on road and 7-2 at home, very doable.
11-7 in conference is very optimistic IMO
We are talking a 4 game swing year over year to get to 11-7. Last year we lost(away) to Gtown, SHU, Nova, Butler, Creighton, Xavier, and Marq. This year, I expect to beat two of those teams on road. At home we lost to Nova, Xavier, Creighton, and Providence. This year, I expect to win 2 of those.
Last year a handful of those wins were in close games and all of the losses were blowouts. We won't be as lucky to win all of those close games again this time around
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I'm thinking we go 9-9 or 10-8 in the BE. Combine this with beating Iona and St. Joe's and we're looking at a 19 or 20 win regular season. I think we'd then need to win at least 1 and maybe 2 games in the BE tourney to get an at large depending on how many of our reg season conf wins are against the better teams...Nova, X, SHU, Creighton.
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I agree with the guys saying that the 2 loses are not ideal cause those teams are NCAA caliber teams. However, win our next two and there would be 0 bad loses, that looks good in the eyes of the committee. Also team played 6 games away from home and could be 4-2- something the committee takes very seriously. The big east is loaded, we are going to get our fair share of quality games, so right now, I’m not concerned with not beating mizz or asu. Both those games we were underdogs, expected to lose, but the eye test says we competed with both.
I believe we go 11-7 in conference. The key will be how we start over first 6, cause the last 6 of season, we could potentially go 5-1. Go 4-5 on road and 7-2 at home, very doable.
11-7 in conference is very optimistic IMO
We are talking a 4 game swing year over year to get to 11-7. Last year we lost(away) to Gtown, SHU, Nova, Butler, Creighton, Xavier, and Marq. This year, I expect to beat two of those teams on road. At home we lost to Nova, Xavier, Creighton, and Providence. This year, I expect to win 2 of those.
Last year a handful of those wins were in close games and all of the losses were blowouts. We won't be as lucky to win all of those close games again this time around
True that beside the 2nd loss to Xavier (by 5) all of the BE losses were by at least 10. My memory is that 3 or 4 of those games were close throughout only to have the bad guys pull away late. Either way, I thought it was a waste to compare this years team to last years.
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You can make a case that Arizona St should be no. 1 in the country right now. I don't think they are the best team but the most deserving team right now I think is ASU.
some writers agree -- they got 5 first place votes in the AP poll and are ranked 5th. Missouri is 3rd in RPI and ASU is 8th. Five games remain against Nova (5th RPI, first in AP), Duke (2nd in RPI, 4th in AP) and Xavier (10th in AP, 17th RPI). Right now, St. john's is 18th in RPI, which is third in the big east. Seton Hall, Butler, Creighton, and Providence are all top 50 in RPI right now. In other words, St. John's has 13 potential top 50 RPI wins remaining on its schedule. If they beat Iona, St. Joe's, Georgetown, and DePaul (Marquette is borderline top 100 right now, but may take a beating in conference play), they'll have no bad losses and be in great shape to make the NCAA tournament.
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They were Lovett away from potentially coming out of LA with a win vs. Arizona State and they're for real, beating Kansas as well. If Lovett comes back and they take care of business vs. Iona and St. Joe's, you have to be happy with 10-2 going into conference play. If the defense remains like this, they can hang in there against strong competition, even if they aren't deep enough to be at that level. I'm not one for moral victories but I am seeing consistent year to year improvement in Mullin's teams.
I disagree. I don't think we can be happy with being 10-2 but also don't think we should hate it. We've played 2 teams that will be in the mix for a tournament berth come March and lost both. Assuming we beat Iona and St Joes and lose to Duke that puts us at 10-3 total in non-conference. Then assume we go 9-9 in BE play which I think is fair and we are 19-12 heading into the BET. That probably has us on the wrong side of the bubble needing to win a couple BET games
You can be realistic though. We've won the games we were supposed to win (vast difference from last year), have won some that we certainly would've lost last year and lost a few that we played well enough to win. Expectations have to be based on something, this team at this point is meeting or exceeding expectations. Let's see what happens going forward.
Why even compare us to last year when we stunk. Of course we are better this year we have more good players and everyone expected and knew we would be better than last year. We started at rock bottom so anyone would have us improving in year 2 and 3. We have played two good teams and lost both. we have plenty of games coming up against good teams let's just hope we can win our fare share of them. As others say we shall see. We need some wins over over Nova, Xavier and the Hall to have truly arrived.
If you don't compare us to last year, what are you comparing this team to?
Reading these posts its amazing how many expected this team to be undefeated before conference play...
I don't think anybody here expected this team to be undefeated going into conference play, but this 10-2 start is on par with what this team is, which is a fringe tournament team. Again, if the 10-2 was with a win over Missouri and loss to West VA instead of loss to Mizzou and W over UCF that's a very different 10-2
So what you're saying is that this team is exactly who you thought they were, but that's just not good enough?
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this team is a consistent offense away from being pretty dangerous IMO.
With both LP starting together in the backcourt - we'll have a consistent offense.
Lovett's the more efficient scorer and hopefully Ponds' shooting slump ends and he starts climbing towards last year's numbers.
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You can make a case that Arizona St should be no. 1 in the country right now. I don't think they are the best team but the most deserving team right now I think is ASU.
some writers agree -- they got 5 first place votes in the AP poll and are ranked 5th. Missouri is 3rd in RPI and ASU is 8th. Five games remain against Nova (5th RPI, first in AP), Duke (2nd in RPI, 4th in AP) and Xavier (10th in AP, 17th RPI). Right now, St. john's is 18th in RPI, which is third in the big east. Seton Hall, Butler, Creighton, and Providence are all top 50 in RPI right now. In other words, St. John's has 13 potential top 50 RPI wins remaining on its schedule. If they beat Iona, St. Joe's, Georgetown, and DePaul (Marquette is borderline top 100 right now, but may take a beating in conference play), they'll have no bad losses and be in great shape to make the NCAA tournament.
Yup pretty funny. We have people who constantly whine about SJU's schedule. Yet not only do they have a strong national schedule RIGHT now, wait until they play Duke in February. And I am just counting the non-conference.
On the flip side, Georgetown's schedule is downright criminal. I mean I have no idea what Ewing and co. are trying to prove.
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You can make a case that Arizona St should be no. 1 in the country right now. I don't think they are the best team but the most deserving team right now I think is ASU.
some writers agree -- they got 5 first place votes in the AP poll and are ranked 5th. Missouri is 3rd in RPI and ASU is 8th. Five games remain against Nova (5th RPI, first in AP), Duke (2nd in RPI, 4th in AP) and Xavier (10th in AP, 17th RPI). Right now, St. john's is 18th in RPI, which is third in the big east. Seton Hall, Butler, Creighton, and Providence are all top 50 in RPI right now. In other words, St. John's has 13 potential top 50 RPI wins remaining on its schedule. If they beat Iona, St. Joe's, Georgetown, and DePaul (Marquette is borderline top 100 right now, but may take a beating in conference play), they'll have no bad losses and be in great shape to make the NCAA tournament.
Yup pretty funny. We have people who constantly whine about SJU's schedule. Yet not only do they have a strong national schedule RIGHT now, wait until they play Duke in February. And I am just counting the non-conference.
On the flip side, Georgetown's schedule is downright criminal. I mean I have no idea what Ewing and co. are trying to prove.
Our schedule is t the problem. We haven't beaten anyone near our level. That's the problem. It's not necessarily bad, but it's not great either.
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They were Lovett away from potentially coming out of LA with a win vs. Arizona State and they're for real, beating Kansas as well. If Lovett comes back and they take care of business vs. Iona and St. Joe's, you have to be happy with 10-2 going into conference play. If the defense remains like this, they can hang in there against strong competition, even if they aren't deep enough to be at that level. I'm not one for moral victories but I am seeing consistent year to year improvement in Mullin's teams.
I disagree. I don't think we can be happy with being 10-2 but also don't think we should hate it. We've played 2 teams that will be in the mix for a tournament berth come March and lost both. Assuming we beat Iona and St Joes and lose to Duke that puts us at 10-3 total in non-conference. Then assume we go 9-9 in BE play which I think is fair and we are 19-12 heading into the BET. That probably has us on the wrong side of the bubble needing to win a couple BET games
You can be realistic though. We've won the games we were supposed to win (vast difference from last year), have won some that we certainly would've lost last year and lost a few that we played well enough to win. Expectations have to be based on something, this team at this point is meeting or exceeding expectations. Let's see what happens going forward.
Why even compare us to last year when we stunk. Of course we are better this year we have more good players and everyone expected and knew we would be better than last year. We started at rock bottom so anyone would have us improving in year 2 and 3. We have played two good teams and lost both. we have plenty of games coming up against good teams let's just hope we can win our fare share of them. As others say we shall see. We need some wins over over Nova, Xavier and the Hall to have truly arrived.
If you don't compare us to last year, what are you comparing this team to?
Reading these posts its amazing how many expected this team to be undefeated before conference play...
I don't think anybody here expected this team to be undefeated going into conference play, but this 10-2 start is on par with what this team is, which is a fringe tournament team. Again, if the 10-2 was with a win over Missouri and loss to West VA instead of loss to Mizzou and W over UCF that's a very different 10-2
So what you're saying is that this team is exactly who you thought they were, but that's just not good enough?
No, I'm saying this team is exactly who I thought they were, so they aren't exceeding expectations by any stretch just yet
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They were Lovett away from potentially coming out of LA with a win vs. Arizona State and they're for real, beating Kansas as well. If Lovett comes back and they take care of business vs. Iona and St. Joe's, you have to be happy with 10-2 going into conference play. If the defense remains like this, they can hang in there against strong competition, even if they aren't deep enough to be at that level. I'm not one for moral victories but I am seeing consistent year to year improvement in Mullin's teams.
I disagree. I don't think we can be happy with being 10-2 but also don't think we should hate it. We've played 2 teams that will be in the mix for a tournament berth come March and lost both. Assuming we beat Iona and St Joes and lose to Duke that puts us at 10-3 total in non-conference. Then assume we go 9-9 in BE play which I think is fair and we are 19-12 heading into the BET. That probably has us on the wrong side of the bubble needing to win a couple BET games
You can be realistic though. We've won the games we were supposed to win (vast difference from last year), have won some that we certainly would've lost last year and lost a few that we played well enough to win. Expectations have to be based on something, this team at this point is meeting or exceeding expectations. Let's see what happens going forward.
Why even compare us to last year when we stunk. Of course we are better this year we have more good players and everyone expected and knew we would be better than last year. We started at rock bottom so anyone would have us improving in year 2 and 3. We have played two good teams and lost both. we have plenty of games coming up against good teams let's just hope we can win our fare share of them. As others say we shall see. We need some wins over over Nova, Xavier and the Hall to have truly arrived.
If you don't compare us to last year, what are you comparing this team to?
Reading these posts its amazing how many expected this team to be undefeated before conference play...
I don't think anybody here expected this team to be undefeated going into conference play, but this 10-2 start is on par with what this team is, which is a fringe tournament team. Again, if the 10-2 was with a win over Missouri and loss to West VA instead of loss to Mizzou and W over UCF that's a very different 10-2
So what you're saying is that this team is exactly who you thought they were, but that's just not good enough?
No, I'm saying this team is exactly who I thought they were, so they aren't exceeding expectations by any stretch just yet
We can’t evaluate who this team is without LoVett. Without him, they came pretty close to beating one of the best teams in the country, which is better than Xavier did against them.
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They were Lovett away from potentially coming out of LA with a win vs. Arizona State and they're for real, beating Kansas as well. If Lovett comes back and they take care of business vs. Iona and St. Joe's, you have to be happy with 10-2 going into conference play. If the defense remains like this, they can hang in there against strong competition, even if they aren't deep enough to be at that level. I'm not one for moral victories but I am seeing consistent year to year improvement in Mullin's teams.
I disagree. I don't think we can be happy with being 10-2 but also don't think we should hate it. We've played 2 teams that will be in the mix for a tournament berth come March and lost both. Assuming we beat Iona and St Joes and lose to Duke that puts us at 10-3 total in non-conference. Then assume we go 9-9 in BE play which I think is fair and we are 19-12 heading into the BET. That probably has us on the wrong side of the bubble needing to win a couple BET games
You can be realistic though. We've won the games we were supposed to win (vast difference from last year), have won some that we certainly would've lost last year and lost a few that we played well enough to win. Expectations have to be based on something, this team at this point is meeting or exceeding expectations. Let's see what happens going forward.
Why even compare us to last year when we stunk. Of course we are better this year we have more good players and everyone expected and knew we would be better than last year. We started at rock bottom so anyone would have us improving in year 2 and 3. We have played two good teams and lost both. we have plenty of games coming up against good teams let's just hope we can win our fare share of them. As others say we shall see. We need some wins over over Nova, Xavier and the Hall to have truly arrived.
If you don't compare us to last year, what are you comparing this team to?
Reading these posts its amazing how many expected this team to be undefeated before conference play...
I don't think anybody here expected this team to be undefeated going into conference play, but this 10-2 start is on par with what this team is, which is a fringe tournament team. Again, if the 10-2 was with a win over Missouri and loss to West VA instead of loss to Mizzou and W over UCF that's a very different 10-2
So what you're saying is that this team is exactly who you thought they were, but that's just not good enough?
No, I'm saying this team is exactly who I thought they were, so they aren't exceeding expectations by any stretch just yet
We can’t evaluate who this team is without LoVett. Without him, they came pretty close to beating one of the best teams in the country, which is better than Xavier did against them.
A bunch of people on here for some inexplicable reason do not like Lovett. For some reason Lovett being good takes away from Ponds? Very strange. Almost like one pretty girl not liking another pretty girl except it is not the pretty girls who are haters but fans of one of the pretty girls.
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I love Lovett. Having said that 1) he needs to smile once in a awhile 2) he needs a few assists every game 3) he needs to stop cheating on defense and when he does he needs to rotate (usually to the corner)....4) he needs to get healthy.
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I love Lovett. Having said that 1) he needs to smile once in a awhile 2) he needs a few assists every game 3) he needs to stop cheating on defense and when he does he needs to rotate (usually to the corner)....4) he needs to get healthy.
Why does he have to smile?? Strange thing to say
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I love Lovett. Having said that 1) he needs to smile once in a awhile 2) he needs a few assists every game 3) he needs to stop cheating on defense and when he does he needs to rotate (usually to the corner)....4) he needs to get healthy.
Why does he have to smile?? Strange thing to say
Re#1: When we're winning, he seems to be the guy having the most fun out there, which I like, BTW. Towards the end of the Oregon St. game, he was smiling and clapping. Looked like he was having a good time, to me.
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He doesn't have to at all....I just think the fans would like him more if he did and that question is what I was responding to.
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They were Lovett away from potentially coming out of LA with a win vs. Arizona State and they're for real, beating Kansas as well. If Lovett comes back and they take care of business vs. Iona and St. Joe's, you have to be happy with 10-2 going into conference play. If the defense remains like this, they can hang in there against strong competition, even if they aren't deep enough to be at that level. I'm not one for moral victories but I am seeing consistent year to year improvement in Mullin's teams.
I disagree. I don't think we can be happy with being 10-2 but also don't think we should hate it. We've played 2 teams that will be in the mix for a tournament berth come March and lost both. Assuming we beat Iona and St Joes and lose to Duke that puts us at 10-3 total in non-conference. Then assume we go 9-9 in BE play which I think is fair and we are 19-12 heading into the BET. That probably has us on the wrong side of the bubble needing to win a couple BET games
You can be realistic though. We've won the games we were supposed to win (vast difference from last year), have won some that we certainly would've lost last year and lost a few that we played well enough to win. Expectations have to be based on something, this team at this point is meeting or exceeding expectations. Let's see what happens going forward.
Why even compare us to last year when we stunk. Of course we are better this year we have more good players and everyone expected and knew we would be better than last year. We started at rock bottom so anyone would have us improving in year 2 and 3. We have played two good teams and lost both. we have plenty of games coming up against good teams let's just hope we can win our fare share of them. As others say we shall see. We need some wins over over Nova, Xavier and the Hall to have truly arrived.
If you don't compare us to last year, what are you comparing this team to?
Reading these posts its amazing how many expected this team to be undefeated before conference play...
I don't think anybody here expected this team to be undefeated going into conference play, but this 10-2 start is on par with what this team is, which is a fringe tournament team. Again, if the 10-2 was with a win over Missouri and loss to West VA instead of loss to Mizzou and W over UCF that's a very different 10-2
So what you're saying is that this team is exactly who you thought they were, but that's just not good enough?
I think he's saying that 10 and 2 is good but 10 and 2 would have been better. Because you are what your record might have been had you played teams other than those you played.
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I love Lovett. Having said that 1) he needs to smile once in a awhile 2) he needs a few assists every game 3) he needs to stop cheating on defense and when he does he needs to rotate (usually to the corner)....4) he needs to get healthy.
Why does he have to smile?? Strange thing to say
He needs an infectious grin like Chris Obekpa.
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but this 10-2 start is on par with what this team is, which is a fringe tournament team. Again, if the 10-2 was with a win over Missouri and loss to West VA instead of loss to Mizzou and W over UCF that's a very different 10-2
Did I miss a couple of games? I thought we were 8 and 2?
Please tell me we it's not that we have a halfway decent team for the 1st time in 3 years and now the fans are "penciling in" wins against good Maac and A10 teams?
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Foad, you just think it's boring when we hold other teams to 65 points. I think Lovett should smile when he helps do it.
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I don't need smiles. I want killers like D'Lo Harrison. His demeanor as time went on was perfect. He'd rip your heart out and then the smile would come out. I was t Lovett and Ponds doing the same. Lovett definitely needs to be more of an assist guy like he was in HS because his passing ability is exceptional when isn't trying to be the primary scorer. He certainly can be the primary scorer, but at his height, and with his ability, he needs to worship the pass a bit more. It's his bread and butter and he's gotten shot-happy. I think he's an amazing player... hopefully he learns that balance. He's still a much better assist guy than Ponds when he utilizes that..
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You can make a case that Arizona St should be no. 1 in the country right now. I don't think they are the best team but the most deserving team right now I think is ASU.
some writers agree -- they got 5 first place votes in the AP poll and are ranked 5th. Missouri is 3rd in RPI and ASU is 8th. Five games remain against Nova (5th RPI, first in AP), Duke (2nd in RPI, 4th in AP) and Xavier (10th in AP, 17th RPI). Right now, St. john's is 18th in RPI, which is third in the big east. Seton Hall, Butler, Creighton, and Providence are all top 50 in RPI right now. In other words, St. John's has 13 potential top 50 RPI wins remaining on its schedule. If they beat Iona, St. Joe's, Georgetown, and DePaul (Marquette is borderline top 100 right now, but may take a beating in conference play), they'll have no bad losses and be in great shape to make the NCAA tournament.
Yup pretty funny. We have people who constantly whine about SJU's schedule. Yet not only do they have a strong national schedule RIGHT now, wait until they play Duke in February. And I am just counting the non-conference.
On the flip side, Georgetown's schedule is downright criminal. I mean I have no idea what Ewing and co. are trying to prove.
Our schedule is t the problem. We haven't beaten anyone near our level. That's the problem. It's not necessarily bad, but it's not great either.
Plenty of people before the season thought it was the problem.
It all depends on what you consider SJU level. I would say Nebraska and UCF are probably at SJU level, maybe a step below. Either way your standard leaves only 1 or 2 opportunities for wins like that in the pre-conference schedule.
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I agree with the guys saying that the 2 loses are not ideal cause those teams are NCAA caliber teams. However, win our next two and there would be 0 bad loses, that looks good in the eyes of the committee. Also team played 6 games away from home and could be 4-2- something the committee takes very seriously. The big east is loaded, we are going to get our fair share of quality games, so right now, I’m not concerned with not beating mizz or asu. Both those games we were underdogs, expected to lose, but the eye test says we competed with both.
I believe we go 11-7 in conference. The key will be how we start over first 6, cause the last 6 of season, we could potentially go 5-1. Go 4-5 on road and 7-2 at home, very doable.
11-7 in conference is very optimistic IMO
We are talking a 4 game swing year over year to get to 11-7. Last year we lost(away) to Gtown, SHU, Nova, Butler, Creighton, Xavier, and Marq. This year, I expect to beat two of those teams on road. At home we lost to Nova, Xavier, Creighton, and Providence. This year, I expect to win 2 of those.
I believe we're better then a 500 9-9 record, also don't see us going 12-6
Thinking we'll go 10-8 or 11-7 in conf
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Foad, you just think it's boring when we hold other teams to 65 points. I think Lovett should smile when he helps do it.
I'm having a difficult time. I like the players. I like the staff. I like the style of play and the results more or less. Everything's not lollipops and roses but other than you guys there's nothing to actively hate. I'm really losing my edge.
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I don't need smiles. I want killers like D'Lo Harrison. His demeanor as time went on was perfect. He'd rip your heart out and then the smile would come out. I was t Lovett and Ponds doing the same. Lovett definitely needs to be more of an assist guy like he was in HS because his passing ability is exceptional when isn't trying to be the primary scorer. He certainly can be the primary scorer, but at his height, and with his ability, he needs to worship the pass a bit more. It's his bread and butter and he's gotten shot-happy. I think he's an amazing player... hopefully he learns that balance. He's still a much better assist guy than Ponds when he utilizes that..
Funny you brought up Harrison who was another player that was unduly criticized on these boards for reasons that have nothing to do with basketball.
Bernard King and Patrick Ewing never smiled and as Fun pointed out Chris Obekpa used to grin like an idiot at inopportune times.
I think we are right where we thought we would be. Need Lovett healthy.
Only criticism that would be fair at this point would be the roster construction.
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They were Lovett away from potentially coming out of LA with a win vs. Arizona State and they're for real, beating Kansas as well. If Lovett comes back and they take care of business vs. Iona and St. Joe's, you have to be happy with 10-2 going into conference play. If the defense remains like this, they can hang in there against strong competition, even if they aren't deep enough to be at that level. I'm not one for moral victories but I am seeing consistent year to year improvement in Mullin's teams.
I disagree. I don't think we can be happy with being 10-2 but also don't think we should hate it. We've played 2 teams that will be in the mix for a tournament berth come March and lost both. Assuming we beat Iona and St Joes and lose to Duke that puts us at 10-3 total in non-conference. Then assume we go 9-9 in BE play which I think is fair and we are 19-12 heading into the BET. That probably has us on the wrong side of the bubble needing to win a couple BET games
You can be realistic though. We've won the games we were supposed to win (vast difference from last year), have won some that we certainly would've lost last year and lost a few that we played well enough to win. Expectations have to be based on something, this team at this point is meeting or exceeding expectations. Let's see what happens going forward.
Why even compare us to last year when we stunk. Of course we are better this year we have more good players and everyone expected and knew we would be better than last year. We started at rock bottom so anyone would have us improving in year 2 and 3. We have played two good teams and lost both. we have plenty of games coming up against good teams let's just hope we can win our fare share of them. As others say we shall see. We need some wins over over Nova, Xavier and the Hall to have truly arrived.
If you don't compare us to last year, what are you comparing this team to?
Reading these posts its amazing how many expected this team to be undefeated before conference play...
I don't think anybody here expected this team to be undefeated going into conference play, but this 10-2 start is on par with what this team is, which is a fringe tournament team. Again, if the 10-2 was with a win over Missouri and loss to West VA instead of loss to Mizzou and W over UCF that's a very different 10-2
So what you're saying is that this team is exactly who you thought they were, but that's just not good enough?
No, I'm saying this team is exactly who I thought they were, so they aren't exceeding expectations by any stretch just yet
ok denny green
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Man what a collapse by ASU. Probably only rivaled by Oklahoma. ASU was ranked as high as 3rd after beating Xavier and Kansas in the non-conference but they went 8-10 in the PAC 12 and just got whipped in the 8-9 game by Colorado. Lunardi on ESPN has dropped them all the way down to LAST 4 in after essentialy being a LOCK for most of this season. Assuming they squeak in those wins over Xavier and Kansas are going to bail them out.
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Oklahoma not Ok St
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Oklahoma not Ok St
I just corrected it.
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Man what a collapse by ASU. Probably only rivaled by Oklahoma. ASU was ranked as high as 3rd after beating Xavier and Kansas in the pre-season but they went 8-10 in the PAC 12 and just got whipped in the 8-9 game by Colorado. Lunardi on ESPN has dropped them all the way down to LAST 4 in after essentialy being a LOCK for most of this season. Assuming they squeak in those wins over Xavier and Kansas are going to bail them out.
Hurley you jest.
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Man what a collapse by ASU. Probably only rivaled by Oklahoma. ASU was ranked as high as 3rd after beating Xavier and Kansas in the pre-season but they went 8-10 in the PAC 12 and just got whipped in the 8-9 game by Colorado. Lunardi on ESPN has dropped them all the way down to LAST 4 in after essentialy being a LOCK for most of this season. Assuming they squeak in those wins over Xavier and Kansas are going to bail them out.
Hurley you jest.
No he doesn't. And stop calling him Hurley.