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Title: First round upsets?
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 15, 2017, 02:41:24 PM
Who ya got?

I got East TennSt over Florida
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marillac on March 15, 2017, 02:55:04 PM
New Mexico St. over Baylor and Bucknell over WV.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marillac on March 15, 2017, 03:04:45 PM
And, of course, Middle Tennessee State over Minnesota. Make sure you fellas get that on your brackets.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: talkbigeast on March 15, 2017, 03:05:34 PM
ETSU, Princeton, Nevada.........MTSU, Rhody (not sure these two will be considered upsets by most)
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marillac on March 15, 2017, 03:08:28 PM
ETSU, Princeton, Nevada.........MTSU, Rhody (not sure these two will be considered upsets by most)

Rhode Island at 11 is a joke. They are easily one of the 25 most dangerous teams in this tournament.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: talkbigeast on March 15, 2017, 03:13:21 PM
agree..i think Rhody can make a run to sweet 16/elite 8 also bias because My pops is a two sport alum from URI. He is heading out to Sacramento to see them and Iona play. I know he will be pulling for your Gaels Baldi.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 15, 2017, 03:16:33 PM
agree..i think Rhody can make a run to sweet 16/elite 8 also bias because My pops is a two sport alum from URI. He is heading out to Sacramento to see them and Iona play. I know he will be pulling for your Gaels Baldi.
Great stuff bro! EC Matthews is one of the guys who can go crazy and carry a team. What sports your dad play?
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: goredmen on March 15, 2017, 03:16:34 PM
And, of course, Middle Tennessee State over Minnesota. Make sure you fellas get that on your brackets.

I think it might be considered more of an upset to take Minnesota to beat Mid Tenn. Pretty sure over 50% of brackets will have Mid Tenn winning that game. The line is Mid Tenn -1
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: talkbigeast on March 15, 2017, 03:23:31 PM
Football (2 Years)/ Baseball 4 years -Yankee Conference.....I wish a couple of these Northeast guys were playing for the Johniees....Martin, Terrell and Iverson.....Dont like rooting against Big East schools in tourney but i am jumping on the Rhody bandwagon and would love to see Rhody/Iona in round 2.  TBH Iona and the whole NCAA tourney caught a huge break when Boucher went down. Oregon went from Final 4 to contender to team that might get bounced on first weekend.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 15, 2017, 03:31:11 PM
Football (2 Years)/ Baseball 4 years -Yankee Conference.....I wish a couple of these Northeast guys were playing for the Johniees....Martin, Terrell and Iverson.....Dont like rooting against Big East schools in tourney but i am jumping on the Rhody bandwagon and would love to see Rhody/Iona in round 2.  TBH Iona and the whole NCAA tourney caught a huge break when Boucher went down. Oregon went from Final 4 to contender to team that might get bounced on first weekend.

Pops was a good athlete. I'm rooting for RHode Island also, big Danny Hurley fan.

Let's see what Jordan Washington can do
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Tha Kid on March 15, 2017, 03:36:31 PM
MTSU to the sweet 16.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: mjdinkins on March 15, 2017, 03:37:53 PM
Who ya got?

I got East TennSt over Florida

That was one I thought about, too.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Johnny23 on March 15, 2017, 04:24:00 PM
Nevada and MTSU. The 12's continue to beat the 5's.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: carmineabbatiello on March 15, 2017, 04:28:37 PM
Vermont and Nc Wilm.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: upstate32 on March 16, 2017, 08:28:38 AM
UNCW and MTSU to sweet 16
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Poison on March 16, 2017, 09:41:22 AM
agree..i think Rhody can make a run to sweet 16/elite 8 also bias because My pops is a two sport alum from URI. He is heading out to Sacramento to see them and Iona play. I know he will be pulling for your Gaels Baldi.

Wait a minute, is your dad Lamar Odom?
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Poison on March 16, 2017, 09:42:15 AM
Who ya got?

I got East TennSt over Florida

In Orlando. That's ballsy.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Tha Kid on March 16, 2017, 10:07:58 AM
More of a deep run:  Michigan over L'ville in round 2 all the way to the Elite 8. 
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: mjmaherjr on March 16, 2017, 11:04:44 AM
UNC Wilmington
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: talkbigeast on March 16, 2017, 01:10:32 PM
Would be a great start to tourney if princeton can come back (down 6 at half) and unc w take down two acc teams and have 3 out in first 6 games
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 16, 2017, 03:19:18 PM
Would be a great start to tourney if princeton can come back (down 6 at half) and unc w take down two acc teams and have 3 out in first 6 games

Great job by Princeton.  ND looked horrible
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: talkbigeast on March 16, 2017, 03:29:48 PM
thought that shot was going down!! Ivy's in the tourney always tough out! ...two great games so far...then Butler with the romp of winthrop
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: mjdinkins on March 16, 2017, 06:01:10 PM
Middle Tennessee State was up by 15 on Minnesota, and it's now down to 4.   A good game!
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 16, 2017, 06:02:18 PM
Middle Tennessee State was up by 15 on Minnesota, and it's now down to 4.   A good game!

This and Princeton game,best of the day
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: fordham96 on March 16, 2017, 06:14:28 PM
Minnesota going out.  The one B10 team I thought could some damage. Ricky Jr just got T'd up.

And MTSU which took out Mich St last year is about to take out Minny.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Johnny23 on March 16, 2017, 06:17:18 PM
Vandy trying to stay close with Northwestern.

Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: mjdinkins on March 16, 2017, 06:26:48 PM
Vandy trying to stay close with Northwestern.

Vandy down by 4 (59-55) with 2:40 remaining, and going to the FT line to shoot 3.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Johnny23 on March 16, 2017, 06:29:34 PM
Vandy trying to stay close with Northwestern.

Vandy down by 4 (59-55) with 2:40 remaining, and going to the FT line to shoot 3.

Looks like this one is going down to last possession.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Johnny23 on March 16, 2017, 06:32:36 PM
Last possession here we come.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Johnny23 on March 16, 2017, 06:35:36 PM
Vandy with the brain fart fouling NW with the lead. NW going to win. Doug Collins looks like he's going to have a heart attack in the stands.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: mjdinkins on March 16, 2017, 06:38:04 PM
Vandy with the brain fart fouling NW with the lead.

Big time, brain fart.  Obviously, Fisher Davis thought Vandy was down.  I know he's gonna feel like crap, as it looks like they're about to lose this one.

I didn't like the shot by LaChance, either.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: TONYD3 on March 16, 2017, 06:44:01 PM
Vandy with the brain fart fouling NW with the lead.

Big time, brain fart.  Obviously, Fisher Davis thought Vandy was down.  I know he's gonna feel like crap, as it looks like they're about to lose this one.

I didn't like the shot by LaChance, either.
That was crazy
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: prjohnnies on March 16, 2017, 07:03:33 PM
I don't think Middle Ten St is really that much of an upset.  Wasn't it a close spread?

Minnesota going out.  The one B10 team I thought could some damage. Ricky Jr just got T'd up.

And MTSU which took out Mich St last year is about to take out Minny.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Johnny23 on March 16, 2017, 07:05:04 PM
Vandy with the brain fart fouling NW with the lead.

Big time, brain fart.  Obviously, Fisher Davis thought Vandy was down.  I know he's gonna feel like crap, as it looks like they're about to lose this one.

I didn't like the shot by LaChance, either.

Agreed. That shot selection was iffy especially when he just drove and scored the possession before.

Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: goredmen on March 16, 2017, 07:17:07 PM
I don't think Middle Ten St is really that much of an upset.  Wasn't it a close spread?

Minnesota going out.  The one B10 team I thought could some damage. Ricky Jr just got T'd up.

And MTSU which took out Mich St last year is about to take out Minny.

Mid Tenn was favored by 1
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 16, 2017, 07:32:45 PM
I don't think Middle Ten St is really that much of an upset.  Wasn't it a close spread?

Minnesota going out.  The one B10 team I thought could some damage. Ricky Jr just got T'd up.

And MTSU which took out Mich St last year is about to take out Minny.

Mid Tenn was favored by 1

Why ?
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 16, 2017, 08:57:48 PM
Why is Maryland a 6 seed? They are awful
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marillac on March 16, 2017, 09:10:27 PM
Xavier huge win for the conferemce. O'Mara has the game of his life with 18 pts. It's nice to have a 6'10 245 upperclassmen off the bench. Big East 3-0 today!

The "athletic" Donte DiVenzo with an awful wide open dunk attempt miss off two feet...about 4 inches too short on the jump!
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 16, 2017, 09:16:20 PM
Xavier huge win for the conferemce. O'Mara has the game of his life with 18 pts. It's nice to have a 6'10 245 upperclassmen off the bench. Big East 3-0 today!

The "athletic" Donte DiVenzo with an awful wide open dunk attempt miss off two feet...about 4 inches too short on the jump!

How many Ponds have today?
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: RedStormNC on March 16, 2017, 09:21:44 PM
And Ali B is our 6'10 / 245 upperclassmen off the bench
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: fordham96 on March 16, 2017, 09:28:55 PM
Why is Maryland a 6 seed? They are awful

Melo Trimble was terrible today.  If he stays Maryland should be really good next year.  They are a year ahead of schedule, this was a rebuilding year for them.  They struggled last 10 games or so.

Not a great day for the Big Ten.  Again Big 10 got 7 teams in, but how many are the kind that can get to the second weekend?  I thought really only Purdue and Minny and Minny is out already. It is not only the quantity it is the quality and the B10 with traditional powers like Indiana and Ohio St slumping big time this year was not great at the top.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: goredmen on March 16, 2017, 09:32:21 PM
I don't think Middle Ten St is really that much of an upset.  Wasn't it a close spread?

Minnesota going out.  The one B10 team I thought could some damage. Ricky Jr just got T'd up.

And MTSU which took out Mich St last year is about to take out Minny.

Mid Tenn was favored by 1

Why ?

Because they are 1 point better than Minnesota
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 16, 2017, 09:43:09 PM
I don't think Middle Ten St is really that much of an upset.  Wasn't it a close spread?

Minnesota going out.  The one B10 team I thought could some damage. Ricky Jr just got T'd up.

And MTSU which took out Mich St last year is about to take out Minny.

Mid Tenn was favored by 1

Why ?

Because they are 1 point better than Minnesota

Wow. Surprised they let them in the tournament
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Celtics11 on March 16, 2017, 10:06:47 PM
Xavier huge win for the conferemce. O'Mara has the game of his life with 18 pts. It's nice to have a 6'10 245 upperclassmen off the bench. Big East 3-0 today!

The "athletic" Donte DiVenzo with an awful wide open dunk attempt miss off two feet...about 4 inches too short on the jump!
Are you referring to the Double D that had a double double with 21 points?
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: fordham96 on March 16, 2017, 10:19:43 PM
Xavier huge win for the conferemce. O'Mara has the game of his life with 18 pts. It's nice to have a 6'10 245 upperclassmen off the bench. Big East 3-0 today!

The "athletic" Donte DiVenzo with an awful wide open dunk attempt miss off two feet...about 4 inches too short on the jump!
Are you referring to the Double D that had a double double with 21 points?

Marillac has impeccable timing.  After essentially saying Justin Patton was overrated and not worth the hype prior to the SJU game in January Patton proceeded to score 25 points on 11-14 shooting from the field.

And after knocking DD again he scores 21 points and grabs 13 rebounds. 

The guy is the next Marty Blake...
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 16, 2017, 10:55:13 PM
Xavier huge win for the conferemce. O'Mara has the game of his life with 18 pts. It's nice to have a 6'10 245 upperclassmen off the bench. Big East 3-0 today!

The "athletic" Donte DiVenzo with an awful wide open dunk attempt miss off two feet...about 4 inches too short on the jump!
Are you referring to the Double D that had a double double with 21 points?

Marillac has impeccable timing.  After essentially saying Justin Patton was overrated and not worth the hype prior to the SJU game in January Patton proceeded to score 25 points on 11-14 shooting from the field.

And after knocking DD again he scores 21 points and grabs 13 rebounds. 

The guy is the next Marty Blake...

Donte best player on Nova. Been saying it for months now
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: goredmen on March 17, 2017, 12:16:24 AM
I don't think Middle Ten St is really that much of an upset.  Wasn't it a close spread?

Minnesota going out.  The one B10 team I thought could some damage. Ricky Jr just got T'd up.

And MTSU which took out Mich St last year is about to take out Minny.

Mid Tenn was favored by 1

Why ?

Because they are 1 point better than Minnesota

Wow. Surprised they let them in the tournament

They most likely would have made it as an at large had they lost in their conference tourney. Probably over Providence or USC
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marillac on March 17, 2017, 12:47:03 AM
Xavier huge win for the conferemce. O'Mara has the game of his life with 18 pts. It's nice to have a 6'10 245 upperclassmen off the bench. Big East 3-0 today!

The "athletic" Donte DiVenzo with an awful wide open dunk attempt miss off two feet...about 4 inches too short on the jump!
Are you referring to the Double D that had a double double with 21 points?

Marillac has impeccable timing.  After essentially saying Justin Patton was overrated and not worth the hype prior to the SJU game in January Patton proceeded to score 25 points on 11-14 shooting from the field.

And after knocking DD again he scores 21 points and grabs 13 rebounds. 

The guy is the next Marty Blake...

I wrote that with the game over, nerd.  Nice try. My argument with Baldi on Donte is about his athletic ability. Now get your shine box.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: redstorm212 on March 17, 2017, 01:02:49 AM
This argument is so stupid. Divincenzo is a great player. However, if given the opportunity, I think Jay Wright would trade him for Ponds. He would struggle mightily if placed on this SJU team. It's about the team around you.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 17, 2017, 11:13:07 AM
Iona needs to bang 10+ 3's to stay in the game. 2pm on tbs
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 17, 2017, 02:31:56 PM
Gaels hanging around. Jordan Washington is a horse
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: mjdinkins on March 17, 2017, 02:51:28 PM
Uggh!  I saw Washington's injury as soon as it happened.  Not good.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marillac on March 17, 2017, 02:52:39 PM
Desi just got denied at the rim with the most violent block I've ever seen live. Holy sh*t! Arkanasas and Seton Hall both look incredible.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: mjdinkins on March 17, 2017, 02:53:56 PM
Desi just got denied at the rim with the most violent block I've ever seen live. Holy sh*t! Arkanasas and Seton Hall both look incredible.

That was heckuva block, too.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 17, 2017, 03:10:21 PM
Uggh!  I saw Washington's injury as soon as it happened.  Not good.

Ya he had a great start. Much and McGill killing Iona
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 17, 2017, 03:19:03 PM
This kid Pritchard on Oregon is legit
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: mjdinkins on March 17, 2017, 03:19:25 PM
Uggh!  I saw Washington's injury as soon as it happened.  Not good.

Ya he had a great start. Much and McGill killing Iona

Unfortunately for you, but I think this one is over.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: mjdinkins on March 17, 2017, 03:21:24 PM
This kid Pritchard on Oregon is legit

I recall him playing well against Georgetown in the Maui.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: goredmen on March 17, 2017, 03:34:09 PM
Iona going to give up triple digits in the NCAA Tournament? Color me shocked
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 17, 2017, 03:34:15 PM
Uggh!  I saw Washington's injury as soon as it happened.  Not good.

Ya he had a great start. Much and McGill killing Iona

Unfortunately for you, but I think this one is over.

Ya no doubt. Good season for the Gaels
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: mjdinkins on March 17, 2017, 03:37:16 PM
I had a feeling that shove by Seton Hall would result into a flagrant one.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: thetruth8734 on March 17, 2017, 03:38:08 PM
Horrible call..... Seton Hall should be pissed. That is terrible officiating....
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 17, 2017, 03:38:35 PM
Dylan Ennis 25 years old lololol
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Johnny23 on March 17, 2017, 03:39:55 PM
Seton Hall really botched this game in the last minute between Carrington's travel and that bad call on the flagrant.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: mjdinkins on March 17, 2017, 03:40:36 PM
Horrible call..... Seton Hall should be pissed. That is terrible officiating....

I thought it was a poor call, too.  To be honest, the tournament is currently going the way I expected, per the Big East.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: apesNapes on March 17, 2017, 03:42:36 PM
wow, seton hall got #$%^ed on that one.  second phantom flagrant 1 called in the closing seconds of an ncaa tournament game.  these refs must think people are paying to see who they anoint as the winner
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marillac on March 17, 2017, 03:43:08 PM
Worst foul call ever by refs in SH game ends their season. Wow. Down by one with 18 seconds left they call a flagrant 1 when Desi fouled on purpose because there was "no play on the ball." That decided the game and refs should never do that. Chris Webber was disgusted.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: apesNapes on March 17, 2017, 03:46:02 PM
Worst foul call ever by refs in SH game ends their season. Wow. Down by one with 18 seconds left they call a flagrant 1 when Desi fouled on purpose because there was "no play on the ball." That decided the game and refs should never do that. Chris Webber was disgisted.
the fact that the ref actually said "no play on the ball" as the justification shows how he is either (i) a complete idiot or (ii) had some money on arkansas.  either way that crew should be banned from the rest of the tourney (along with the crew that called the flagrant 1 during the play in games).  I hate seton hall, but feel like I was just robbed watching a basketball game that the refs decided to determine themselves
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: mjdinkins on March 17, 2017, 03:51:24 PM
wow, seton hall got #$%^ed on that one.  second phantom flagrant 1 called in the closing seconds of an ncaa tournament game.  these refs must think people are paying to see who they anoint as the winner

I thought it should've been just your normal foul, but I had a feeling it was going to be flagrant due to the hard shove.  He also didn't make a play on the ball, either.

Personally, Providence and  Seton Hall never did much for me this season, and those were the two who I had in mind to lose in the first round when it came to our conference.  Marquette was another one, but I think they may come through tonight, as the Gamecocks can be a bit up and down on offense.  I think it could end up being a fun game, though.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marillac on March 17, 2017, 03:52:08 PM
Worst foul call ever by refs in SH game ends their season. Wow. Down by one with 18 seconds left they call a flagrant 1 when Desi fouled on purpose because there was "no play on the ball." That decided the game and refs should never do that. Chris Webber was disgisted.
the fact that the ref actually said "no play on the ball" as the justification shows how he is either (i) a complete idiot or (ii) had some money on arkansas.  either way that crew should be banned from the rest of the tourney (along with the crew that called the flagrant 1 during the play in games).  I hate seton hall, but feel like I was just robbed watching a basketball game that the refs decided to determine themselves
I turned it off after that call because that was the game. You never do that as a ref unless you absolutely have to. That crew needs to be taken off tournament games immediately. They had a few minutes to watch it again and talk it over too. Inexcusable.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: apesNapes on March 17, 2017, 03:57:22 PM
Worst foul call ever by refs in SH game ends their season. Wow. Down by one with 18 seconds left they call a flagrant 1 when Desi fouled on purpose because there was "no play on the ball." That decided the game and refs should never do that. Chris Webber was disgisted.
the fact that the ref actually said "no play on the ball" as the justification shows how he is either (i) a complete idiot or (ii) had some money on arkansas.  either way that crew should be banned from the rest of the tourney (along with the crew that called the flagrant 1 during the play in games).  I hate seton hall, but feel like I was just robbed watching a basketball game that the refs decided to determine themselves
I turned it off after that call because that was the game. You never do that as a ref unless you absolutely have to. That crew needs to be taken off tournament games immediately. They had a few minutes to watch it again and talk it over too. Inexcusable.
you're so right.  that's the craziest part.  they didn't call the flagrant until after watching the replay.  and the replay clearly shows that rodriguez touches him lightly with his hands and the ballhandler falls after their feet get tangled.  if they can't get that right, what are they doing?  "not a play on the ball," have these guys ever seen someone foul at the end of the basketball game in their lives?  rodriguez did exactly what every single other player ever has done.  touch the guy with both hands, make the foul obvious, and stop the clock.  here's the video btw: https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/842824315309441024
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marillac on March 17, 2017, 04:01:52 PM
Worst foul call ever by refs in SH game ends their season. Wow. Down by one with 18 seconds left they call a flagrant 1 when Desi fouled on purpose because there was "no play on the ball." That decided the game and refs should never do that. Chris Webber was disgisted.
the fact that the ref actually said "no play on the ball" as the justification shows how he is either (i) a complete idiot or (ii) had some money on arkansas.  either way that crew should be banned from the rest of the tourney (along with the crew that called the flagrant 1 during the play in games).  I hate seton hall, but feel like I was just robbed watching a basketball game that the refs decided to determine themselves
I turned it off after that call because that was the game. You never do that as a ref unless you absolutely have to. That crew needs to be taken off tournament games immediately. They had a few minutes to watch it again and talk it over too. Inexcusable.
you're so right.  that's the craziest part.  they didn't call the flagrant until after watching the replay.  and the replay clearly shows that rodriguez touches him lightly with his hands and the ballhandler falls after their feet get tangled.  if they can't get that right, what are they doing?  "not a play on the ball," have these guys ever seen someone foul at the end of the basketball game in their lives?  rodriguez did exactly what every single other player ever has done.  touch the guy with both hands, make the foul obvious, and stop the clock.  here's the video btw: https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/842824315309441024


As Chris Webber said, "Nobody ever makes a play on the ball fouling to stop the clock mate. I feel terrible for the Seton Hall players."
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: prjohnnies on March 17, 2017, 04:13:19 PM
Thought call was BS but the Hall turned it over a several times down stretch and blew a solid second half lead. No one to blame but themselves.

Horrible call..... Seton Hall should be pissed. That is terrible officiating....
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Celtics11 on March 17, 2017, 04:16:17 PM
Right call, stupid rule. Think where many of you are getting caught up is in the stupid labeling of a flagrant when what they really mean is an intentional foul. Why doesn't the stupid NCAA just distinguish between intentional and flagrant. When people hear flagrant they think of a hard foul. Doesn't have to be hard to be flagrant 1 just a foul when you are not making a play on the ball. Stupid play by Desi R by obviously just pushing the guy from behind instead of reaching for ball and coming across guys body or arm. Fact he fell is irrelevant.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marillac on March 17, 2017, 04:56:08 PM
Right call, stupid rule. Think where many of you are getting caught up is in the stupid labeling of a flagrant when what they really mean is an intentional foul. Why doesn't the stupid NCAA just distinguish between intentional and flagrant. When people hear flagrant they think of a hard foul. Doesn't have to be hard to be flagrant 1 just a foul when you are not making a play on the ball. Stupid play by Desi R by obviously just pushing the guy from behind instead of reaching for ball and coming across guys body or arm. Fact he fell is irrelevant.

Sorry Celtics, you simply don't make that call in a 1 pt game with 18 seconds left. By doing so,
you end the game. There is technically a foul every play in basketball and nobody ever makes a play on the ball to foul late to stop the clock. That is hardly ever called. Horrendous officiating.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Celtics11 on March 17, 2017, 05:14:40 PM
Right call, stupid rule. Think where many of you are getting caught up is in the stupid labeling of a flagrant when what they really mean is an intentional foul. Why doesn't the stupid NCAA just distinguish between intentional and flagrant. When people hear flagrant they think of a hard foul. Doesn't have to be hard to be flagrant 1 just a foul when you are not making a play on the ball. Stupid play by Desi R by obviously just pushing the guy from behind instead of reaching for ball and coming across guys body or arm. Fact he fell is irrelevant.

Sorry Celtics, you simply don't make that call in a 1 pt game with 18 seconds left. By doing so,
you end the game. There is technically a foul every play in basketball and nobody ever makes a play on the ball to foul late to stop the clock. That is hardly ever called. Horrendous officiating.
You can make that argument that they shouldn't call it and that sometimes they don't. That is the problem-the inconsistencies of applying the rule. Either call it as written every time you see it or change the rule. Like NFL changed rule allowing intentionally grounding if out of pocket and throw past line of scrimmage. Allow intentional fouls as long as not flagrant and not clear path to basket.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: fordham96 on March 17, 2017, 06:26:15 PM
Creighton about to go out to Rhode Island
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Foad on March 17, 2017, 06:56:13 PM
Worst foul call ever by refs in SH game ends their season. Wow. Down by one with 18 seconds left they call a flagrant 1 when Desi fouled on purpose because there was "no play on the ball." That decided the game and refs should never do that. Chris Webber was disgisted.
the fact that the ref actually said "no play on the ball" as the justification shows how he is either (i) a complete idiot or (ii) had some money on arkansas.  either way that crew should be banned from the rest of the tourney (along with the crew that called the flagrant 1 during the play in games).  I hate seton hall, but feel like I was just robbed watching a basketball game that the refs decided to determine themselves
I turned it off after that call because that was the game. You never do that as a ref unless you absolutely have to. That crew needs to be taken off tournament games immediately. They had a few minutes to watch it again and talk it over too. Inexcusable.
you're so right.  that's the craziest part.  they didn't call the flagrant until after watching the replay.  and the replay clearly shows that rodriguez touches him lightly with his hands and the ballhandler falls after their feet get tangled.  if they can't get that right, what are they doing?  "not a play on the ball," have these guys ever seen someone foul at the end of the basketball game in their lives?  rodriguez did exactly what every single other player ever has done.  touch the guy with both hands, make the foul obvious, and stop the clock.  here's the video btw: https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/842824315309441024


As Chris Webber said, "Nobody ever makes a play on the ball fouling to stop the clock mate. I feel terrible for the Seton Hall players."

Referees suck and I understand your point about the situation, but if that wasn't a flagrant foul, what is: he pushed the guy to the ground with in the back with two hands. It sucks for Seton Hall but F Seton Hall, I'm glad they lost.

What's interesting (to me) is the lack of consistency. In the St John's loss to Xavier at the end of January St John's was trying to foul at the end of a game in which 57 fouls were called and everyone in the gym knew St John's was trying to foul and the refs didn't call anything until Ahmed nearly decapitated a guy after half a dozen brazen hacks were ignored. If standards aren't enforced there are no standards. That's the problem.

The presence of referees on the playing field in sports is antediluvian. With digital technology and multiple cameras there is no excuse for allowing human limitations to affect the outcome of sporting events. In baseball balls and strikes can be called without humans; whether the runner beat the ball to a base is clearly evident via replay. Three second calls in basketball could be done via GPS. So could probably personal fouls and in any event what transpires on the court is more evident from 30 feet up in the air then from the limited field of vision that even good refs possess, much less drunks like Tim Higgins, who used to call things with his back turned. In football a chip in the ball could regulate some dope placing the ball on the field in situations where an inch matters and could determine whether a field goal is good or not or an extra point. The sooner these nice persons are taken off the court the better.


 
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on March 17, 2017, 08:41:50 PM
scoochie smith is so good
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: apesNapes on March 17, 2017, 09:33:01 PM
Refs missed about 5 flagrant calls at end of the Dayton Wichita state game.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on March 18, 2017, 12:47:35 PM
I'd be homicidal if we had a NCAA tournament game end like the Hall game did yesterday.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: nudginator59 on March 18, 2017, 01:10:40 PM
I'd be homicidal if we had a NCAA tournament game end like the Hall game did yesterday.

But also happy to be in that position to lost in the tournament that happy. Probably less homical if it was in the second round, which meant the Johnnies finally won a tournament game.

You know SJU is back because we consistently make the tournament and there is no oh well at lest we made it this far...It will be just angry that the team got screwed.

The board will know that the Big East is legitimate when we stop worrying what the conference record is in the tournament to justify how good he conference is. When there is no team Big East  mentality, and you don't feel bad for rooting against another BE team....Also when Nova is taken down a peg.

Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marillac on March 18, 2017, 01:46:46 PM
Marquettte got exposed. They weren't a tournament team.  That was the lone Big East game that could come next year to hurt the conference getting 6-7 bids.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 18, 2017, 01:48:12 PM
Marquettte got exposed. They weren't a tournament team.  That was the lone Big East game that could come next year to hurt the conference getting 6-7 bids.

Fisher is so soft. They played scared
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 18, 2017, 01:55:42 PM
Temple Gibbs, another dummy
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 18, 2017, 03:11:08 PM
How's Donte doin
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: wpc77 on March 18, 2017, 04:07:59 PM
Temple Gibbs, another dummy

Good thing he has a coach who will set him straight
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: fordham96 on March 18, 2017, 04:09:27 PM
Marquettte got exposed. They weren't a tournament team.  That was the lone Big East game that could come next year to hurt the conference getting 6-7 bids.

By exposed you mean they were nothing more than a middle of the pack major conference school no different than 4-5 other programs which is exactly who they were.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: carmineabbatiello on March 18, 2017, 04:18:27 PM
Seton Hall kid was an idiot the way he went with the extra push at the end after the whistle had already blown.  That and the the combination of tripping the kid that sent him flying was just the perfect (red)storm of misfortune for the Pirates.

Refs had no choice but to call what they did.  They had to go to the tape and there it was all too plain to see.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Celtics11 on March 18, 2017, 04:28:58 PM
Seton Hall kid was an idiot the way he went with the extra push at the end after the whistle had already blown.  That and the the combination of tripping the kid that sent him flying was just the perfect (red)storm of misfortune for the Pirates.

Refs had no choice but to call what they did.  They had to go to the tape and there it was all too plain to see.
Agree, but if the circle made the same play you would be screaming bloody murder.  ;) :)
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: TONYD3 on March 18, 2017, 04:42:00 PM
Seton Hall kid was an idiot the way he went with the extra push at the end after the whistle had already blown.  That and the the combination of tripping the kid that sent him flying was just the perfect (red)storm of misfortune for the Pirates.

Refs had no choice but to call what they did.  They had to go to the tape and there it was all too plain to see.
Agree, but if the circle made the same play you would be screaming bloody murder.  ;) :)
I was mad at first. But now I guess I agree. Needed Seton hall for my bracket. Phile greene is the square, who is the circle?
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: mjdinkins on March 18, 2017, 05:03:22 PM
Wisconsin up 62-61 against 'Nova with 1:24 remaining in the game.   Wisconsin has the ball.  Huge, huge possession for both teams.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: mjdinkins on March 18, 2017, 05:06:23 PM
Heckuva defense there by Villanova, which should result in an intentional foul by Hayes of Wisconsin.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: mjdinkins on March 18, 2017, 05:11:15 PM
The Big East is on the brink of only having two teams left in the tournament.  Wisconsin up by 2 with 11.4 seconds remaining. 

Bad call on 'Nova's previous possession, as Hayes should've been called for an intentional foul.

Dang.  Hart was a bit out of control there.  Good defense by Wisconsin. 

Whelp, there goes the "beast" of the Big East.  Frankly, I think Butler will be the lone team advancing to next weekend, but I suspect they're gonna be in for a tough one, though.  I liked Xavier versus Maryland, but I didn't have 'em getting past Florida State.  I don't particularly like the match up.  Hopefully, Xavier surprises me.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: fordham96 on March 18, 2017, 05:27:48 PM
I thought Donte saved Nova's season...wow though.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: carmineabbatiello on March 18, 2017, 05:31:39 PM
Seton Hall kid was an idiot the way he went with the extra push at the end after the whistle had already blown.  That and the the combination of tripping the kid that sent him flying was just the perfect (red)storm of misfortune for the Pirates.

Refs had no choice but to call what they did.  They had to go to the tape and there it was all too plain to see.
Agree, but if the circle made the same play you would be screaming bloody murder.  ;) :)

You're right.  If the Johnnies ever dance again and if any Johnny made that same play in the dance I'ld be pissed.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Courts603 on March 18, 2017, 05:48:16 PM
How does Nova get Wisconsin and Gonzaga get Northwestern? It doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Acrimony on March 18, 2017, 05:59:05 PM
We are looking like "the Big least" right about now.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Celtics11 on March 18, 2017, 06:04:32 PM
Seton Hall kid was an idiot the way he went with the extra push at the end after the whistle had already blown.  That and the the combination of tripping the kid that sent him flying was just the perfect (red)storm of misfortune for the Pirates.

Refs had no choice but to call what they did.  They had to go to the tape and there it was all too plain to see.
Agree, but if the circle made the same play you would be screaming bloody murder.  ;) :)
I was mad at first. But now I guess I agree. Needed Seton hall for my bracket. Phile greene is the square, who is the circle?

Phil was nicknamed the circle for dribbling around in circles.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marillac on March 18, 2017, 06:45:01 PM
Xavier up big on Florida State early. FSU has looked like trash.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 18, 2017, 06:45:56 PM
Brunson should've had the ball in his hands on the last possession
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marillac on March 18, 2017, 07:06:39 PM
Xavier doing its best to save face for the Big East. Up ten at the half on 3 seed FSU. They should be up 20+.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: fordham96 on March 18, 2017, 07:27:15 PM
Northwestern making this a game against Gonzaga.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Tha Kid on March 18, 2017, 07:56:00 PM
We will still get two in sweet 16 w Xavier and butler at least. (Assuming both hold on like I expect)
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 18, 2017, 09:57:24 PM
Love Alkins game
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: apesNapes on March 18, 2017, 10:02:26 PM
Love Alkins game
Yea, he's a total beast. Wish sju could have signed him. Would have been the perfect compliment for ponds/lovett
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 18, 2017, 10:17:55 PM
St Mary's just doesn't go away
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 18, 2017, 11:48:00 PM
Iowa St/Purdue best game of the tournament so far
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 18, 2017, 11:50:20 PM
Deonte Burton is a pro. Savage
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: JohnnyJungle on March 19, 2017, 08:51:39 AM
Deonte Burton is a pro. Savage

Matt A recruited him as a transfer to Iowa St.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marco Baldi on March 19, 2017, 02:17:15 PM
Wilson on Michigan is legit. Boy can play
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Johnny23 on March 19, 2017, 02:23:32 PM
Wilson on Michigan is legit. Boy can play

Yeah he is. Wagner's a beast too.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: mjmaherjr on March 19, 2017, 11:19:08 PM
another team from the vaunted acc goes down
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Celtics11 on March 19, 2017, 11:45:36 PM
another team from the vaunted acc goes down
And the poor step-child of the power 6, the SEC has 3 to the ACC's 1.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: derk on March 20, 2017, 10:18:19 AM
Wilson on Michigan is legit. Boy can play

Yeah he is. Wagner's a beast too.

So is our favorite little German prodigy going to mature in his sophomore year the way Wagner did ?
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Johnny23 on March 20, 2017, 10:53:03 AM
Wilson on Michigan is legit. Boy can play

Yeah he is. Wagner's a beast too.

So is our favorite little German prodigy going to mature in his sophomore year the way Wagner did ?

From your lips to God's ears. We keep talking about not finding real bigs well scour Europe because I bet you Mullin could find one or two space eaters over there at anytime.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: SJUFAN on March 20, 2017, 01:00:54 PM
another team from the vaunted acc goes down

Did you hear Coach K's post game comments? He said his team wasn't deep enough. Doesn't he have at least 7 All Americans on the team? This has been my biggest argument against rat face being an all time greatest. When does he ever do more with less. He doesn't. Sure he can coach the most talented team to championships, which should count for something, but that doesn't wow me. Before anyone goes throwing our current staffs offense (or even the previous staffs offense) under the bus, just watch a Duke game. There is nothing spectacular going on, just players making plays.   
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marillac on March 20, 2017, 01:28:40 PM
another team from the vaunted acc goes down

Did you hear Coach K's post game comments? He said his team wasn't deep enough. Doesn't he have at least 7 All Americans on the team? This has been my biggest argument against rat face being an all time greatest. When does he ever do more with less. He doesn't. Sure he can coach the most talented team to championships, which should count for something, but that doesn't wow me. Before anyone goes throwing our current staffs offense (or even the previous staffs offense) under the bus, just watch a Duke game. There is nothing spectacular going on, just players making plays.   

His bench is loaded with 6'10+ 4 and 5 star players. Harry Giles was the #1 PF in 2016, Marques Bolden was the #2 Center in 2016, and Javin Delaurier was the #9 PF in 2016.  None of those guys play. Only the #2 ranked SF in 2016, Tatum,  plays. Chase Jeter, a five-star Center from 2015, was only getting 15 mpg when he was injured in late January.

Any one of these guys would have played 25-30 mpg at St. John's.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Tha Kid on March 20, 2017, 02:07:59 PM
another team from the vaunted acc goes down

Did you hear Coach K's post game comments? He said his team wasn't deep enough. Doesn't he have at least 7 All Americans on the team? This has been my biggest argument against rat face being an all time greatest. When does he ever do more with less. He doesn't. Sure he can coach the most talented team to championships, which should count for something, but that doesn't wow me. Before anyone goes throwing our current staffs offense (or even the previous staffs offense) under the bus, just watch a Duke game. There is nothing spectacular going on, just players making plays.   

The 2009-2010 title team was doing more with less.  Only 2 first round picks on that team (and 1 was freshman mason plumlee who averaged 4 ppg and wouldnt get drafted for a few years).  No lottery picks.  THe only first rounder is not even in the NBA (Nolan Smith).   Best player, Kyle SIngler, was a 2nd rounder and has not done well in the NBA.  But they won a title.

Also, since when is winning with less a prereq. for being the greatest?  Did John Wooden and Red Auerbach and Phil Jackson do a ton with less than elite talent?   
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Acrimony on March 20, 2017, 03:04:38 PM
Another excuse for coach K. He should never lose a game with all that talent! He gets off the hook all the time while Calapari is under a lot more pressure to win in my book. I also think Coach K doesn't really like the chemistry on this team and will be happy to see the kick baller move on to change the dynamic of the team.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Tha Kid on March 20, 2017, 03:50:11 PM
Another excuse for coach K. He should never lose a game with all that talent! He gets off the hook all the time while Calapari is under a lot more pressure to win in my book. I also think Coach K doesn't really like the chemistry on this team and will be happy to see the kick baller move on to change the dynamic of the team.

Calipari has one title and has left two programs in shambles.  K has 5 titles and never left a program in shambles. Perhaps that has something to do with it.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Foad on March 20, 2017, 04:20:00 PM
Only 2 first round picks on that team (and 1 was freshman mason plumlee who averaged 4 ppg and wouldnt get drafted for a few years).  No lottery picks.  THe only first rounder is not even in the NBA (Nolan Smith).   Best player, Kyle SIngler, was a 2nd rounder and has not done well in the NBA.  But they won a title.

Also, since when is winning with less a prereq. for being the greatest?  Did John Wooden and Red Auerbach and Phil Jackson do a ton with less than elite talent?

I agree with you about Schreswhreki being one of the greats, almost as great as Jim Calhoun. But only two first round picks on one team is hardly roughing it.


Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Tha Kid on March 20, 2017, 04:31:22 PM
Only 2 first round picks on that team (and 1 was freshman mason plumlee who averaged 4 ppg and wouldnt get drafted for a few years).  No lottery picks.  THe only first rounder is not even in the NBA (Nolan Smith).   Best player, Kyle SIngler, was a 2nd rounder and has not done well in the NBA.  But they won a title.

Also, since when is winning with less a prereq. for being the greatest?  Did John Wooden and Red Auerbach and Phil Jackson do a ton with less than elite talent?

I agree with you about Schreswhreki being one of the greats, almost as great as Jim Calhoun. But only two first round picks on one team is hardly roughing it.




When you think of Nolan Smith do you think of NBA first round draft pick who was the anchor to a national champion without any level of impressive coaching?

The OP critiqued coach k for "never doing more with less".  Winning a title with that group was doing exactly that.  Tough to show K doing more with less when he always has varying degrees of much much more but I think that's a great example that shows his coaching acumen.

Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Foad on March 20, 2017, 05:10:01 PM
Only 2 first round picks on that team (and 1 was freshman mason plumlee who averaged 4 ppg and wouldnt get drafted for a few years).  No lottery picks.  THe only first rounder is not even in the NBA (Nolan Smith).   Best player, Kyle SIngler, was a 2nd rounder and has not done well in the NBA.  But they won a title.

Also, since when is winning with less a prereq. for being the greatest?  Did John Wooden and Red Auerbach and Phil Jackson do a ton with less than elite talent?

I agree with you about Schreswhreki being one of the greats, almost as great as Jim Calhoun. But only two first round picks on one team is hardly roughing it.




When you think of Nolan Smith do you think of NBA first round draft pick who was the anchor to a national champion without any level of impressive coaching?

The OP critiqued coach k for "never doing more with less".  Winning a title with that group was doing exactly that.  Tough to show K doing more with less when he always has varying degrees of much much more but I think that's a great example that shows his coaching acumen.

Again, I was agreeing with you. Denying Kruszrenski's greatness is silly, even if he he gets every break in the book, which he does. It was the "only 2 first round picks" that got to me. There's only 30 first round picks to go around. Unless you're Kentucky two is a lot.

Dook has four projected first round picks this year. By your criteria he under performed. But three of them are underclassmen - more than some MK has been adversely affected by early grads, his system being what it is. Frank Martin talked in the post game about how important having upper classmen is, an interview a lot of St John's fans might want to listen to.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Marillac on March 20, 2017, 05:43:18 PM
I think we all agree with you, Tha Kid, but you have to admit saying "only 2 first round picks" was as clumsy way to make your point.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: mjmaherjr on March 20, 2017, 07:29:48 PM
another team from the vaunted acc goes down

Did you hear Coach K's post game comments? He said his team wasn't deep enough. Doesn't he have at least 7 All Americans on the team? This has been my biggest argument against rat face being an all time greatest. When does he ever do more with less. He doesn't. Sure he can coach the most talented team to championships, which should count for something, but that doesn't wow me. Before anyone goes throwing our current staffs offense (or even the previous staffs offense) under the bus, just watch a Duke game. There is nothing spectacular going on, just players making plays.   
I thought he was going to cry during the 2nd half. That was thoroughly enjoyable
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: mjmaherjr on March 20, 2017, 07:32:49 PM
I think we all agree with you, Tha Kid, but you have to admit saying "only 2 first round picks" was as clumsy way to make your point.
kid tripped over the baseline with that comment :)
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: section3 on March 20, 2017, 08:42:21 PM
another team from the vaunted acc goes down

Did you hear Coach K's post game comments? He said his team wasn't deep enough. Doesn't he have at least 7 All Americans on the team? This has been my biggest argument against rat face being an all time greatest. When does he ever do more with less. He doesn't. Sure he can coach the most talented team to championships, which should count for something, but that doesn't wow me. Before anyone goes throwing our current staffs offense (or even the previous staffs offense) under the bus, just watch a Duke game. There is nothing spectacular going on, just players making plays.   

Yes, a little disingenuous to say the least. Gimme a break
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: Tha Kid on March 20, 2017, 08:58:47 PM
I think we all agree with you, Tha Kid, but you have to admit saying "only 2 first round picks" was as clumsy way to make your point.

To you and Foad, I get it, but it was only one first rounder that year.  The second was mason plumler who wasn't drafted for two more years and barely played that year.

To MJ, it wasn't the baseline...it was Grayson.  fookin d bag.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: mjmaherjr on March 20, 2017, 09:00:22 PM
I think we all agree with you, Tha Kid, but you have to admit saying "only 2 first round picks" was as clumsy way to make your point.

To you and Foad, I get it, but it was only one first rounder that year.  The second was mason plumler who wasn't drafted for two more years and barely played that year.

To MJ, it wasn't the baseline...it was Grayson.  fookin d bag.
:)
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: SJUFAN on March 21, 2017, 01:08:27 PM
another team from the vaunted acc goes down

Did you hear Coach K's post game comments? He said his team wasn't deep enough. Doesn't he have at least 7 All Americans on the team? This has been my biggest argument against rat face being an all time greatest. When does he ever do more with less. He doesn't. Sure he can coach the most talented team to championships, which should count for something, but that doesn't wow me. Before anyone goes throwing our current staffs offense (or even the previous staffs offense) under the bus, just watch a Duke game. There is nothing spectacular going on, just players making plays.   

The 2009-2010 title team was doing more with less.  Only 2 first round picks on that team (and 1 was freshman mason plumlee who averaged 4 ppg and wouldnt get drafted for a few years).  No lottery picks.  THe only first rounder is not even in the NBA (Nolan Smith).   Best player, Kyle SIngler, was a 2nd rounder and has not done well in the NBA.  But they won a title.

Also, since when is winning with less a prereq. for being the greatest?  Did John Wooden and Red Auerbach and Phil Jackson do a ton with less than elite talent?   

Hmmmmm...What about Miles Plumee and Lance Thomas? So by my count that's 1, 2, 3....4! NBA players who beat a butler team which was in the title game with how many NBA players? We are not even speaking about the other top 100 players who were on their roster. I wouldn't say winning in 2009/10 was doing more with less unless I was speaking about Stevens. Thanks for bringing that year up, it only makes my point.
Title: Re: First round upsets?
Post by: MCNPA on March 21, 2017, 08:36:38 PM
IMO Jim Calhoun is the best of the lot hands down.  He's won several, by finding unerappreciated talent, and not with All Americans.  His record is all results.  The Bill Bellicheck of college ball...