Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL

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Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2016, 10:47:48 AM »
Isn't Curtis Johnson the tallest center on record? 7'3/320

Dom not only played center for the majority of the 14-15' season, he averaged 7.7 RPG doing so, which probably ranks in the upper half of SJU centers per game average over one year. 13.7 ppg/3.0 apg/1.9 spg to boot, a ridiculous season.

Thinking it over Zendon followed by Lamont Hamilton are probably the best Johnnies centers of my Johnnies' fandom thus far.

Old timers, who's the best Johnnies center of all time?
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Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2016, 11:07:18 AM »
Old timers, who's the best Johnnies center of all time?

I resent your ageism, but after Paul Berwanger no doubt it was LeRoy Ellis.

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Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2016, 11:28:59 AM »
In 69' Paultz avg 15/15......stud

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Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2016, 11:29:26 AM »
I would rank the centers thus:
1. Leroy Ellis- Before my time, but Coach C also rated him the best Center.
2. Mel Davis- For one season.  Should have been a PF, but beggars cannot be choosy.
3. Jayson Williams- His junior year.
3. A.. Bill Wennington- Once he got rid of the crew cut, he had a super solid career.
4. Rob Werdann- Solid four years.
5. Billy Paultz- An over achiever to the "n" degree.
6. Z Hamilton- Like Felipe, solid, but more was expected.
7. S. Scott- Another PF playing out of position.
8. Wayne McCoy-  Solid, but another C who more was expected from.
9. All the Cs I left out.
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Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2016, 11:53:47 AM »
Old timers, who's the best Johnnies center of all time?

I resent your ageism, but after Paul Berwanger no doubt it was LeRoy Ellis.

Agree

Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2016, 11:59:54 AM »
I showed my colleague (longtime NBA fanatic) ZB's highlights and he said he was reminded of a raw but taller Zach Randolph.

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« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2016, 12:17:04 PM »

I would rank the centers thus:
1. Leroy Ellis- Before my time, but Coach C also rated him the best Center.
2. Mel Davis- For one season.  Should have been a PF, but beggars cannot be choosy.

6'6" - probably a 2 guard today

3. Jayson Williams- His junior year.

i was looking forward o his senior year, another in a long line of disappointments

3. A.. Bill Wennington- Once he got rid of the crew cut, he had a super solid career.

but for ewing who knows how'd he'd be remembered, which is as a canadian gollumpus

4. Rob Werdann- Solid four years.

Nothing about Werdann was solid, he was made of Tissue paper

5. Billy Paultz- An over achiever to the "n" degree.

the first in a long line of LWG (lou's white golems)

6. Z Hamilton- Like Felipe, solid, but more was expected.

Underrated

7. S. Scott- Another PF playing out of position.

Underrated

8. Wayne McCoy-  Solid, but another C who more was expected from.

bust

9. All the Cs I left out.


Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2016, 12:24:33 PM »
I would rank the centers thus:
1. Leroy Ellis- Before my time, but Coach C also rated him the best Center.
2. Mel Davis- For one season.  Should have been a PF, but beggars cannot be choosy.
3. Jayson Williams- His junior year.
3. A.. Bill Wennington- Once he got rid of the crew cut, he had a super solid career.
4. Rob Werdann- Solid four years.
5. Billy Paultz- An over achiever to the "n" degree.
6. Z Hamilton- Like Felipe, solid, but more was expected.
7. S. Scott- Another PF playing out of position.
8. Wayne McCoy-  Solid, but another C who more was expected from.
9. All the Cs I left out.



Killer played PF the center was either Phillips, Greg Cluess or Tony Prince.

Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2016, 01:50:23 PM »
I'll show my lack of time depth. Lamont Hamilton? Is he in the mix?
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Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2016, 02:27:23 PM »
I'll show my lack of time depth. Lamont Hamilton? Is he in the mix?

In the mix in the list above, no. In the next five, probably.

Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2016, 04:14:53 PM »
Love this discussion that started from my question, but still wondering if he is the biggest high quality recruit to have signed with us. Understand we had bigger players like Curtis Johnson but I don't think he was particularly highly sought after.
*wipes ketchup from his eyes* - I guess Heinz sight isn’t 20/20.

Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #31 on: July 28, 2016, 04:28:16 PM »
I thought Zendon was top 5 to 10 recruit
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Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #32 on: July 28, 2016, 04:38:31 PM »
I thought Zendon was top 5 to 10 recruit

Top 5, although I don't think it was quite as scientific as it is nowadays

http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/camron-was-ranked-top-25-class-94-high-school-rankings

Werdann was a MD AA along with 20 ther players including Malik Sealy, Billy Owens, Alonzo Mourning, Xtian Laettner, Shawn Kemp and Laphonso Ellis

http://basketball.realgm.com/highschool/mcdonalds/rosters/1988

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Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #33 on: July 28, 2016, 05:12:17 PM »
I thought Zendon was top 5 to 10 recruit

Top 5, although I don't think it was quite as scientific as it is nowadays

http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/camron-was-ranked-top-25-class-94-high-school-rankings

Werdann was a MD AA along with 20 ther players including Malik Sealy, Billy Owens, Alonzo Mourning, Xtian Laettner, Shawn Kemp and Laphonso Ellis

http://basketball.realgm.com/highschool/mcdonalds/rosters/1988

And piggy backing my own post Wayne McKoy was probably the #1 player in his class, projected as an NBA lock out of HS

Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #34 on: July 28, 2016, 05:58:26 PM »
I don't know if its worth putting Dom and Reggie Jessie in a greatest center at St Johns conversation

And the Winner for Understatement of the Year goes to Braintrust, for "I don't know if its worth putting Dom and Reggie Jessie in a greatest center at St Johns conversation."

Seriously though, the name missing from that list is Paul Berwanger. And no Sean Muto? No Baldi? No Bayne? No Keita? Young people are shamefully unaware of the great history of this once proud program.

Thanks Foad! I saw where Werdann and McKoy were given their due, they were true centers.

Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #35 on: July 28, 2016, 06:20:23 PM »
I thought Zendon was top 5 to 10 recruit


Top 5, although I don't think it was quite as scientific as it is nowadays

http://www.nbadraft.net/forum/camron-was-ranked-top-25-class-94-high-school-rankings

Werdann was a MD AA along with 20 ther players including Malik Sealy, Billy Owens, Alonzo Mourning, Xtian Laettner, Shawn Kemp and Laphonso Ellis

http://basketball.realgm.com/highschool/mcdonalds/rosters/1988

And piggy backing my own post Wayne McKoy was probably the #1 player in his class, projected as an NBA lock out of HS
Some ranking services may have had McKoy ranked #1 but I recall Basketball Weekly magazine ranking Magic Johnson #1 and I was ticked off. Guess they knew what they were doing.

Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #36 on: July 28, 2016, 08:27:07 PM »

I would rank the centers thus:
1. Leroy Ellis- Before my time, but Coach C also rated him the best Center.
2. Mel Davis- For one season.  Should have been a PF, but beggars cannot be choosy.

6'6" - probably a 2 guard today

3. Jayson Williams- His junior year.

i was looking forward o his senior year, another in a long line of disappointments

3. A.. Bill Wennington- Once he got rid of the crew cut, he had a super solid career.

but for ewing who knows how'd he'd be remembered, which is as a canadian gollumpus

4. Rob Werdann- Solid four years.

Nothing about Werdann was solid, he was made of Tissue paper

5. Billy Paultz- An over achiever to the "n" degree.

the first in a long line of LWG (lou's white golems)

6. Z Hamilton- Like Felipe, solid, but more was expected.

Underrated

7. S. Scott- Another PF playing out of position.

Underrated

8. Wayne McCoy-  Solid, but another C who more was expected from.

bust

9. All the Cs I left out.


I could be mistaken but Werdann was in my class and I think it was only his senior year that he missed  a lot of time. If anything he just never put up big scoring numbers. Maybe averaging low double digits and didnt progress that much maybe but I think year 1-3 he had steady rebound numbers ( maybe 7  a game ). I don't remember the scoring numbers but I think it was double digits but that was a lot of beers ago so I'm foggy on that


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Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #37 on: July 28, 2016, 08:32:32 PM »

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Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #38 on: July 29, 2016, 07:14:17 AM »

I would rank the centers thus:
1. Leroy Ellis- Before my time, but Coach C also rated him the best Center.
2. Mel Davis- For one season.  Should have been a PF, but beggars cannot be choosy.

6'6" - probably a 2 guard today

3. Jayson Williams- His junior year.

i was looking forward o his senior year, another in a long line of disappointments

3. A.. Bill Wennington- Once he got rid of the crew cut, he had a super solid career.

but for ewing who knows how'd he'd be remembered, which is as a canadian gollumpus

4. Rob Werdann- Solid four years.

Nothing about Werdann was solid, he was made of Tissue paper

5. Billy Paultz- An over achiever to the "n" degree.

the first in a long line of LWG (lou's white golems)

6. Z Hamilton- Like Felipe, solid, but more was expected.

Underrated

7. S. Scott- Another PF playing out of position.

Underrated

8. Wayne McCoy-  Solid, but another C who more was expected from.

bust

9. All the Cs I left out.


I could be mistaken but Werdann was in my class and I think it was only his senior year that he missed  a lot of time. If anything he just never put up big scoring numbers. Maybe averaging low double digits and didnt progress that much maybe but I think year 1-3 he had steady rebound numbers ( maybe 7  a game ). I don't remember the scoring numbers but I think it was double digits but that was a lot of beers ago so I'm foggy on that



You are right.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/robert-werdann-1.html

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Re: Zach Brown - C - Miami, FL - ST. JOHN'S
« Reply #39 on: July 29, 2016, 11:12:56 AM »
I could be mistaken but Werdann was in my class and I think it was only his senior year that he missed  a lot of time. If anything he just never put up big scoring numbers. Maybe averaging low double digits and didnt progress that much maybe but I think year 1-3 he had steady rebound numbers ( maybe 7  a game ). I don't remember the scoring numbers but I think it was double digits but that was a lot of beers ago so I'm foggy on that

My recollection is that there was always something wrong with him. This was sprained, that was bruised, the other thing was aggravated. His calf was an issue for almost two years.