"Baldi Bowl"

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Re: "Baldi Bowl"
« Reply #80 on: May 25, 2017, 09:54:23 PM »
I'd have to give 'Nova the slight edge in terms of best BE backcourts for next season. Brunson, Donte and Booth returning. Ponds and LoVett should be right there though.

Simon is the starting PG unless he gets hurt.  Mark my words.   My guess is Lovett is a 6th man in name, plays big minutes though regardless. 

Let's all say it together:  Justin Simon is NOT a point guard.
He is as much of a PG as Dom Pointer.

Simon is a PG that because of his size can play the 2 or the 3. The staff will treat him as such because him and Lovett are the only two guys on the roster that can be trusted playing PG

False. He's the classic SG that can't shoot. Some will try to pigeon hole him into PG, but he is a SF by default. PG's don't dribble the ball to their chest. Also, there is only one player on this roster that has a chance of playing PG in the league and his last name isn't Lovett or Simon.

I think you're wrong Marillac.  The kid is a phenomenal passer for a kid his size.  He's excellent with both hands.  He can easily play any backcourt spot.   Where in these clips does he dribble the ball to his chest?  I know clips anrent the best but he doesn't at all...  Either he's a PG or a point forward, but I want the ball in his hands plenty.  He's mega athletic, and those clips are several years old.  Kid is gonna be a killer... 

https://youtu.be/AOy29NgPdUY

How can you tell anything from this terrible video?

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« Reply #81 on: May 25, 2017, 10:02:08 PM »
I'd have to give 'Nova the slight edge in terms of best BE backcourts for next season. Brunson, Donte and Booth returning. Ponds and LoVett should be right there though.

Simon is the starting PG unless he gets hurt.  Mark my words.   My guess is Lovett is a 6th man in name, plays big minutes though regardless. 

Let's all say it together:  Justin Simon is NOT a point guard.
He is as much of a PG as Dom Pointer.

Simon is a PG that because of his size can play the 2 or the 3. The staff will treat him as such because him and Lovett are the only two guys on the roster that can be trusted playing PG

Ponds isn't trustworthy running the offense?

No. And we shouldn't want him in that role. He's at his best as a 2

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Re: "Baldi Bowl"
« Reply #82 on: May 25, 2017, 10:05:13 PM »
I'd have to give 'Nova the slight edge in terms of best BE backcourts for next season. Brunson, Donte and Booth returning. Ponds and LoVett should be right there though.

Simon is the starting PG unless he gets hurt.  Mark my words.   My guess is Lovett is a 6th man in name, plays big minutes though regardless. 

Let's all say it together:  Justin Simon is NOT a point guard.
He is as much of a PG as Dom Pointer.

Simon is a PG that because of his size can play the 2 or the 3. The staff will treat him as such because him and Lovett are the only two guys on the roster that can be trusted playing PG

False. He's the classic SG that can't shoot. Some will try to pigeon hole him into PG, but he is a SF by default. PG's don't dribble the ball to their chest. Also, there is only one player on this roster that has a chance of playing PG in the league and his last name isn't Lovett or Simon.

I think you're wrong Marillac.  The kid is a phenomenal passer for a kid his size.  He's excellent with both hands.  He can easily play any backcourt spot.   Where in these clips does he dribble the ball to his chest?  I know clips anrent the best but he doesn't at all...  Either he's a PG or a point forward, but I want the ball in his hands plenty.  He's mega athletic, and those clips are several years old.  Kid is gonna be a killer... 

https://youtu.be/AOy29NgPdUY

How can you tell anything from this terrible video?


https://youtu.be/MaYnzINeono

Sorry, wrong video.  Point being was that he doesn't dribble up at his chest.. Sir'Dom could barely dribble at all til junior year.  This kid has a much better handle and passing and I love Dom. 
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« Reply #83 on: May 25, 2017, 10:06:20 PM »
I'd have to give 'Nova the slight edge in terms of best BE backcourts for next season. Brunson, Donte and Booth returning. Ponds and LoVett should be right there though.

Simon is the starting PG unless he gets hurt.  Mark my words.   My guess is Lovett is a 6th man in name, plays big minutes though regardless. 

Let's all say it together:  Justin Simon is NOT a point guard.
He is as much of a PG as Dom Pointer.

Simon is a PG that because of his size can play the 2 or the 3. The staff will treat him as such because him and Lovett are the only two guys on the roster that can be trusted playing PG

Ponds isn't trustworthy running the offense?

No. And we shouldn't want him in that role. He's at his best as a 2
. Agree... Ponds is a smooth scorer.  He needs more muscle, but definitely not a PG even if he can play it at times.

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Re: "Baldi Bowl"
« Reply #84 on: May 25, 2017, 10:16:49 PM »
I'd have to give 'Nova the slight edge in terms of best BE backcourts for next season. Brunson, Donte and Booth returning. Ponds and LoVett should be right there though.

Simon is the starting PG unless he gets hurt.  Mark my words.   My guess is Lovett is a 6th man in name, plays big minutes though regardless. 

Let's all say it together:  Justin Simon is NOT a point guard.
He is as much of a PG as Dom Pointer.

Simon is a PG that because of his size can play the 2 or the 3. The staff will treat him as such because him and Lovett are the only two guys on the roster that can be trusted playing PG

Ponds isn't trustworthy running the offense?

No. And we shouldn't want him in that role. He's at his best as a 2

He ran the offense last year, and he was damn good at it.

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Re: "Baldi Bowl"
« Reply #85 on: May 25, 2017, 10:21:17 PM »
I'd have to give 'Nova the slight edge in terms of best BE backcourts for next season. Brunson, Donte and Booth returning. Ponds and LoVett should be right there though.

Simon is the starting PG unless he gets hurt.  Mark my words.   My guess is Lovett is a 6th man in name, plays big minutes though regardless. 

Let's all say it together:  Justin Simon is NOT a point guard.
He is as much of a PG as Dom Pointer.

Simon is a PG that because of his size can play the 2 or the 3. The staff will treat him as such because him and Lovett are the only two guys on the roster that can be trusted playing PG

Ponds isn't trustworthy running the offense?

No. And we shouldn't want him in that role. He's at his best as a 2

He ran the offense last year, and he was damn good at it.

He did it rarely, and he wasn't that good at it. We lost to LIU when he played point for a full game

Re: "Baldi Bowl"
« Reply #86 on: May 25, 2017, 10:25:14 PM »
From everything I've read Simon is a very capable passer and PG.

Re: "Baldi Bowl"
« Reply #87 on: May 25, 2017, 10:42:12 PM »
Simon reminds me of Iman Shumpert.  A taller, uber athletic guard who has point guard skills.  Those guys are awesome to have if used correctly.  You put the ball in his hands and you are doomed.  Give me 12 points (8 shots tops) , 4 assists, 4 boards all in the simple flow of the game and some lock down D.  Guys like that help you win games! 

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« Reply #88 on: May 26, 2017, 03:40:08 AM »
I'd have to give 'Nova the slight edge in terms of best BE backcourts for next season. Brunson, Donte and Booth returning. Ponds and LoVett should be right there though.

Simon is the starting PG unless he gets hurt.  Mark my words.   My guess is Lovett is a 6th man in name, plays big minutes though regardless. 

Let's all say it together:  Justin Simon is NOT a point guard.
He is as much of a PG as Dom Pointer.

Simon is a PG that because of his size can play the 2 or the 3. The staff will treat him as such because him and Lovett are the only two guys on the roster that can be trusted playing PG

Ponds isn't trustworthy running the offense?

No. And we shouldn't want him in that role. He's at his best as a 2

This is crazier than your post about Delgado not doing anything better than an average NBA player. Just because Ponds can score doesn't mean he isn't a PG. Conversely, just because Simon can't shoot that doesn't mean we default him to PG. Simon's dribble is high and loose and he only has one hand. He can passs very well, but so could Freudenberg. Ponds is the best passer we've had since at least Omar Cook and he has the best court awareness of anyone I've ever seen wear a St. John's jersey.

Simon has less guard skills than Ellison. Judged as a pure PG, I'd rate Simon's handle a 3-4 out of 10. His passing has developed over his career to compensate for his his lack of shooting ability, but I am curious to see wha a year and a half with Mullin and Richmond did to that awful shot  (everyone seems to be able to shoot well with this staff). I'd imagine Simon would bring the ball up from time to time, take guys off the bounce going downhill off a weave or screen, and may even run the offense for a short stretch with a favorable matchup, but he is clearly not a PG. This is really not up for reasonable debate either.

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« Reply #89 on: May 26, 2017, 12:44:41 PM »
I'd have to give 'Nova the slight edge in terms of best BE backcourts for next season. Brunson, Donte and Booth returning. Ponds and LoVett should be right there though.

Simon is the starting PG unless he gets hurt.  Mark my words.   My guess is Lovett is a 6th man in name, plays big minutes though regardless. 

Let's all say it together:  Justin Simon is NOT a point guard.
He is as much of a PG as Dom Pointer.

Simon is a PG that because of his size can play the 2 or the 3. The staff will treat him as such because him and Lovett are the only two guys on the roster that can be trusted playing PG

Ponds isn't trustworthy running the offense?

No. And we shouldn't want him in that role. He's at his best as a 2

This is crazier than your post about Delgado not doing anything better than an average NBA player. Just because Ponds can score doesn't mean he isn't a PG. Conversely, just because Simon can't shoot that doesn't mean we default him to PG. Simon's dribble is high and loose and he only has one hand. He can passs very well, but so could Freudenberg. Ponds is the best passer we've had since at least Omar Cook and he has the best court awareness of anyone I've ever seen wear a St. John's jersey.

Simon has less guard skills than Ellison. Judged as a pure PG, I'd rate Simon's handle a 3-4 out of 10. His passing has developed over his career to compensate for his his lack of shooting ability, but I am curious to see wha a year and a half with Mullin and Richmond did to that awful shot  (everyone seems to be able to shoot well with this staff). I'd imagine Simon would bring the ball up from time to time, take guys off the bounce going downhill off a weave or screen, and may even run the offense for a short stretch with a favorable matchup, but he is clearly not a PG. This is really not up for reasonable debate either.

You're talking about Simon like you've watched him play for 4 years. I'm willing to bet you've seen nothing more than youtube videos of him. Everybody including the staff seems to see him as PG except you. Ponds getting significant PG minutes would be nothing short of stupid. He excels as a 2 at this level, why mess with that?

Also if Delgado does things better than an average NBA player why isn't he in the top 100 of draft prospects for this year?

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Re: "Baldi Bowl"
« Reply #90 on: May 26, 2017, 01:22:46 PM »
I'd have to give 'Nova the slight edge in terms of best BE backcourts for next season. Brunson, Donte and Booth returning. Ponds and LoVett should be right there though.

Simon is the starting PG unless he gets hurt.  Mark my words.   My guess is Lovett is a 6th man in name, plays big minutes though regardless. 

Let's all say it together:  Justin Simon is NOT a point guard.
He is as much of a PG as Dom Pointer.

Simon is a PG that because of his size can play the 2 or the 3. The staff will treat him as such because him and Lovett are the only two guys on the roster that can be trusted playing PG

Ponds isn't trustworthy running the offense?

No. And we shouldn't want him in that role. He's at his best as a 2

This is crazier than your post about Delgado not doing anything better than an average NBA player. Just because Ponds can score doesn't mean he isn't a PG. Conversely, just because Simon can't shoot that doesn't mean we default him to PG. Simon's dribble is high and loose and he only has one hand. He can passs very well, but so could Freudenberg. Ponds is the best passer we've had since at least Omar Cook and he has the best court awareness of anyone I've ever seen wear a St. John's jersey.

Simon has less guard skills than Ellison. Judged as a pure PG, I'd rate Simon's handle a 3-4 out of 10. His passing has developed over his career to compensate for his his lack of shooting ability, but I am curious to see wha a year and a half with Mullin and Richmond did to that awful shot  (everyone seems to be able to shoot well with this staff). I'd imagine Simon would bring the ball up from time to time, take guys off the bounce going downhill off a weave or screen, and may even run the offense for a short stretch with a favorable matchup, but he is clearly not a PG. This is really not up for reasonable debate either.

You're talking about Simon like you've watched him play for 4 years. I'm willing to bet you've seen nothing more than youtube videos of him. Everybody including the staff seems to see him as PG except you. Ponds getting significant PG minutes would be nothing short of stupid. He excels as a 2 at this level, why mess with that?

Also if Delgado does things better than an average NBA player why isn't he in the top 100 of draft prospects for this year?


Delgado rebounds the ball better than just about everyone on this planet.  Whether that alone makes him a high prospect is not the issue.  Your statement was that he didn't do anything better than NBA power forwards.

Simon is a not a PG.  Everyone will realize that game 1.  Maybe he can get himself there by the end of his senior year if he busts his ass, but he's certainly not one now.  He played exclusively SF for Arizona and I went back and watched some of those games after he popped for us.  He's raw for a wing...athletic as hell, but raw.  We don't need a PG next year anyway, we need a SF.

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Re: "Baldi Bowl"
« Reply #91 on: May 26, 2017, 01:32:45 PM »
I'd have to give 'Nova the slight edge in terms of best BE backcourts for next season. Brunson, Donte and Booth returning. Ponds and LoVett should be right there though.

Simon is the starting PG unless he gets hurt.  Mark my words.   My guess is Lovett is a 6th man in name, plays big minutes though regardless. 

Let's all say it together:  Justin Simon is NOT a point guard.
He is as much of a PG as Dom Pointer.

Simon is a PG that because of his size can play the 2 or the 3. The staff will treat him as such because him and Lovett are the only two guys on the roster that can be trusted playing PG

Ponds isn't trustworthy running the offense?

No. And we shouldn't want him in that role. He's at his best as a 2

This is crazier than your post about Delgado not doing anything better than an average NBA player. Just because Ponds can score doesn't mean he isn't a PG. Conversely, just because Simon can't shoot that doesn't mean we default him to PG. Simon's dribble is high and loose and he only has one hand. He can passs very well, but so could Freudenberg. Ponds is the best passer we've had since at least Omar Cook and he has the best court awareness of anyone I've ever seen wear a St. John's jersey.

Simon has less guard skills than Ellison. Judged as a pure PG, I'd rate Simon's handle a 3-4 out of 10. His passing has developed over his career to compensate for his his lack of shooting ability, but I am curious to see wha a year and a half with Mullin and Richmond did to that awful shot  (everyone seems to be able to shoot well with this staff). I'd imagine Simon would bring the ball up from time to time, take guys off the bounce going downhill off a weave or screen, and may even run the offense for a short stretch with a favorable matchup, but he is clearly not a PG. This is really not up for reasonable debate either.

You're talking about Simon like you've watched him play for 4 years. I'm willing to bet you've seen nothing more than youtube videos of him. Everybody including the staff seems to see him as PG except you. Ponds getting significant PG minutes would be nothing short of stupid. He excels as a 2 at this level, why mess with that?

Also if Delgado does things better than an average NBA player why isn't he in the top 100 of draft prospects for this year?


Delgado rebounds the ball better than just about everyone on this planet.  Whether that alone makes him a high prospect is not the issue.  Your statement was that he didn't do anything better than NBA power forwards.

Simon is a not a PG.  Everyone will realize that game 1.  Maybe he can get himself there by the end of his senior year if he busts his ass, but he's certainly not one now.  He played exclusively SF for Arizona and I went back and watched some of those games after he popped for us.  He's raw for a wing...athletic as hell, but raw.  We don't need a PG next year anyway, we need a SF.

Delgado would not even be an above average rebounder in the NBA. If he was he'd be in the conversation to get drafted this year or next, but he's not.

Simon never played in more than 6 minutes in a game from February on in the season that he played at Arizona. Plus PJC and Kadeem Allen were on their roster that year and he wasn't playing PG over them. So they did what we are going to do and play him at the 3 when we have our PG on the floor because he has the size to do so. If he's a guard with no shooting skills and no point guard skills how was he a top 25 prospect that drew the attention of Arizona? I don't care how big/athletic you are, if you can't shoot or play PG you aren't a top 25 prospect

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« Reply #92 on: May 26, 2017, 01:34:28 PM »
I'd have to give 'Nova the slight edge in terms of best BE backcourts for next season. Brunson, Donte and Booth returning. Ponds and LoVett should be right there though.

Simon is the starting PG unless he gets hurt.  Mark my words.   My guess is Lovett is a 6th man in name, plays big minutes though regardless. 

Let's all say it together:  Justin Simon is NOT a point guard.
He is as much of a PG as Dom Pointer.

Simon is a PG that because of his size can play the 2 or the 3. The staff will treat him as such because him and Lovett are the only two guys on the roster that can be trusted playing PG

Ponds isn't trustworthy running the offense?

No. And we shouldn't want him in that role. He's at his best as a 2

This is crazier than your post about Delgado not doing anything better than an average NBA player. Just because Ponds can score doesn't mean he isn't a PG. Conversely, just because Simon can't shoot that doesn't mean we default him to PG. Simon's dribble is high and loose and he only has one hand. He can passs very well, but so could Freudenberg. Ponds is the best passer we've had since at least Omar Cook and he has the best court awareness of anyone I've ever seen wear a St. John's jersey.

Simon has less guard skills than Ellison. Judged as a pure PG, I'd rate Simon's handle a 3-4 out of 10. His passing has developed over his career to compensate for his his lack of shooting ability, but I am curious to see wha a year and a half with Mullin and Richmond did to that awful shot  (everyone seems to be able to shoot well with this staff). I'd imagine Simon would bring the ball up from time to time, take guys off the bounce going downhill off a weave or screen, and may even run the offense for a short stretch with a favorable matchup, but he is clearly not a PG. This is really not up for reasonable debate either.

You're talking about Simon like you've watched him play for 4 years. I'm willing to bet you've seen nothing more than youtube videos of him. Everybody including the staff seems to see him as PG except you. Ponds getting significant PG minutes would be nothing short of stupid. He excels as a 2 at this level, why mess with that?

Also if Delgado does things better than an average NBA player why isn't he in the top 100 of draft prospects for this year?


Delgado rebounds the ball better than just about everyone on this planet.  Whether that alone makes him a high prospect is not the issue.  Your statement was that he didn't do anything better than NBA power forwards.

Simon is a not a PG.  Everyone will realize that game 1.  Maybe he can get himself there by the end of his senior year if he busts his ass, but he's certainly not one now.  He played exclusively SF for Arizona and I went back and watched some of those games after he popped for us.  He's raw for a wing...athletic as hell, but raw.  We don't need a PG next year anyway, we need a SF.

Delgado would not even be an above average rebounder in the NBA. If he was he'd be in the conversation to get drafted this year or next, but he's not.

Simon never played in more than 6 minutes in a game from February on in the season that he played at Arizona. Plus PJC and Kadeem Allen were on their roster that year and he wasn't playing PG over them. So they did what we are going to do and play him at the 3 when we have our PG on the floor because he has the size to do so. If he's a guard with no shooting skills and no point guard skills how was he a top 25 prospect that drew the attention of Arizona? I don't care how big/athletic you are, if you can't shoot or play PG you aren't a top 25 prospect


Dom Pointer was ranked #35 and couldn't shoot or dribble.

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« Reply #93 on: May 26, 2017, 02:06:15 PM »
I'd have to give 'Nova the slight edge in terms of best BE backcourts for next season. Brunson, Donte and Booth returning. Ponds and LoVett should be right there though.

Simon is the starting PG unless he gets hurt.  Mark my words.   My guess is Lovett is a 6th man in name, plays big minutes though regardless. 

Let's all say it together:  Justin Simon is NOT a point guard.
He is as much of a PG as Dom Pointer.

Simon is a PG that because of his size can play the 2 or the 3. The staff will treat him as such because him and Lovett are the only two guys on the roster that can be trusted playing PG

Ponds isn't trustworthy running the offense?

No. And we shouldn't want him in that role. He's at his best as a 2

This is crazier than your post about Delgado not doing anything better than an average NBA player. Just because Ponds can score doesn't mean he isn't a PG. Conversely, just because Simon can't shoot that doesn't mean we default him to PG. Simon's dribble is high and loose and he only has one hand. He can passs very well, but so could Freudenberg. Ponds is the best passer we've had since at least Omar Cook and he has the best court awareness of anyone I've ever seen wear a St. John's jersey.

Simon has less guard skills than Ellison. Judged as a pure PG, I'd rate Simon's handle a 3-4 out of 10. His passing has developed over his career to compensate for his his lack of shooting ability, but I am curious to see wha a year and a half with Mullin and Richmond did to that awful shot  (everyone seems to be able to shoot well with this staff). I'd imagine Simon would bring the ball up from time to time, take guys off the bounce going downhill off a weave or screen, and may even run the offense for a short stretch with a favorable matchup, but he is clearly not a PG. This is really not up for reasonable debate either.

You're talking about Simon like you've watched him play for 4 years. I'm willing to bet you've seen nothing more than youtube videos of him. Everybody including the staff seems to see him as PG except you. Ponds getting significant PG minutes would be nothing short of stupid. He excels as a 2 at this level, why mess with that?

Also if Delgado does things better than an average NBA player why isn't he in the top 100 of draft prospects for this year?


Delgado rebounds the ball better than just about everyone on this planet.  Whether that alone makes him a high prospect is not the issue.  Your statement was that he didn't do anything better than NBA power forwards.

Simon is a not a PG.  Everyone will realize that game 1.  Maybe he can get himself there by the end of his senior year if he busts his ass, but he's certainly not one now.  He played exclusively SF for Arizona and I went back and watched some of those games after he popped for us.  He's raw for a wing...athletic as hell, but raw.  We don't need a PG next year anyway, we need a SF.

Delgado would not even be an above average rebounder in the NBA. If he was he'd be in the conversation to get drafted this year or next, but he's not.

Simon never played in more than 6 minutes in a game from February on in the season that he played at Arizona. Plus PJC and Kadeem Allen were on their roster that year and he wasn't playing PG over them. So they did what we are going to do and play him at the 3 when we have our PG on the floor because he has the size to do so. If he's a guard with no shooting skills and no point guard skills how was he a top 25 prospect that drew the attention of Arizona? I don't care how big/athletic you are, if you can't shoot or play PG you aren't a top 25 prospect


Dom Pointer was ranked #35 and couldn't shoot or dribble.

And Dom didn't succeed until he was forced to play a position that Simon will never play. So either Simon is going to succeed at PG or he's not going to succeed at all

Re: "Baldi Bowl"
« Reply #94 on: May 26, 2017, 02:54:49 PM »
Would think Ponds would want some minutes at the point.  Unless he thinks he can be a 2 at the next level

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Re: "Baldi Bowl"
« Reply #95 on: May 26, 2017, 03:34:10 PM »
Would think Ponds would want some minutes at the point.  Unless he thinks he can be a 2 at the next level

Agree

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« Reply #96 on: May 26, 2017, 09:03:11 PM »
I'd have to give 'Nova the slight edge in terms of best BE backcourts for next season. Brunson, Donte and Booth returning. Ponds and LoVett should be right there though.

Simon is the starting PG unless he gets hurt.  Mark my words.   My guess is Lovett is a 6th man in name, plays big minutes though regardless. 

Let's all say it together:  Justin Simon is NOT a point guard.
He is as much of a PG as Dom Pointer.

Simon is a PG that because of his size can play the 2 or the 3. The staff will treat him as such because him and Lovett are the only two guys on the roster that can be trusted playing PG

Ponds isn't trustworthy running the offense?

No. And we shouldn't want him in that role. He's at his best as a 2

This is crazier than your post about Delgado not doing anything better than an average NBA player. Just because Ponds can score doesn't mean he isn't a PG. Conversely, just because Simon can't shoot that doesn't mean we default him to PG. Simon's dribble is high and loose and he only has one hand. He can passs very well, but so could Freudenberg. Ponds is the best passer we've had since at least Omar Cook and he has the best court awareness of anyone I've ever seen wear a St. John's jersey.

Simon has less guard skills than Ellison. Judged as a pure PG, I'd rate Simon's handle a 3-4 out of 10. His passing has developed over his career to compensate for his his lack of shooting ability, but I am curious to see wha a year and a half with Mullin and Richmond did to that awful shot  (everyone seems to be able to shoot well with this staff). I'd imagine Simon would bring the ball up from time to time, take guys off the bounce going downhill off a weave or screen, and may even run the offense for a short stretch with a favorable matchup, but he is clearly not a PG. This is really not up for reasonable debate either.

You're talking about Simon like you've watched him play for 4 years. I'm willing to bet you've seen nothing more than youtube videos of him. Everybody including the staff seems to see him as PG except you. Ponds getting significant PG minutes would be nothing short of stupid. He excels as a 2 at this level, why mess with that?

Also if Delgado does things better than an average NBA player why isn't he in the top 100 of draft prospects for this year?


Delgado rebounds the ball better than just about everyone on this planet.  Whether that alone makes him a high prospect is not the issue.  Your statement was that he didn't do anything better than NBA power forwards.

Simon is a not a PG.  Everyone will realize that game 1.  Maybe he can get himself there by the end of his senior year if he busts his ass, but he's certainly not one now.  He played exclusively SF for Arizona and I went back and watched some of those games after he popped for us.  He's raw for a wing...athletic as hell, but raw.  We don't need a PG next year anyway, we need a SF.

Delgado would not even be an above average rebounder in the NBA. If he was he'd be in the conversation to get drafted this year or next, but he's not.

Simon never played in more than 6 minutes in a game from February on in the season that he played at Arizona. Plus PJC and Kadeem Allen were on their roster that year and he wasn't playing PG over them. So they did what we are going to do and play him at the 3 when we have our PG on the floor because he has the size to do so. If he's a guard with no shooting skills and no point guard skills how was he a top 25 prospect that drew the attention of Arizona? I don't care how big/athletic you are, if you can't shoot or play PG you aren't a top 25 prospect


Dom Pointer was ranked #35 and couldn't shoot or dribble.

So either Simon is going to succeed at PG or he's not going to succeed at all

What a truly bizarre thing to write. What kind of logic is that? Simon is 6'5 210 with a 7 ft wingspan and elite athletic ability. How many PGs fit that physical profile? He could make all league averaging less than 6 pts and 1 assist per game if he maxed his ability on d and the glass.

We have a pair of 6'0 170 lb dynamic guards to handle point. Let him play SF and put some of his skills to use against less skilled SFs.

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Re: "Baldi Bowl"
« Reply #97 on: May 26, 2017, 09:08:04 PM »
I'd have to give 'Nova the slight edge in terms of best BE backcourts for next season. Brunson, Donte and Booth returning. Ponds and LoVett should be right there though.

Simon is the starting PG unless he gets hurt.  Mark my words.   My guess is Lovett is a 6th man in name, plays big minutes though regardless. 

Let's all say it together:  Justin Simon is NOT a point guard.
He is as much of a PG as Dom Pointer.

Simon is a PG that because of his size can play the 2 or the 3. The staff will treat him as such because him and Lovett are the only two guys on the roster that can be trusted playing PG

Ponds isn't trustworthy running the offense?

No. And we shouldn't want him in that role. He's at his best as a 2

He ran the offense last year, and he was damn good at it.

This has become bizzarro world. Our 6'0 170 all-everything freshman guard is definitely not a PG to many posters despite possessing exceptional passing ability, court awareness, ability to use both hands at a high level, and  a low controlled dribble all because he can score very well. But a 6'5 210 athlete who played nothing but forward at Zona is a PG because he can't shoot. I think I got it.

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Re: "Baldi Bowl"
« Reply #98 on: May 26, 2017, 09:15:41 PM »


Would think Ponds would want some minutes at the point.  Unless he thinks he can be a 2 at the next level

Lovett will want to play nothing but PG because that's his only position. Simon will also want to play PG as that is what he will have to play at the next level. That's alot of guys that will want to get time at PG this year

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Re: "Baldi Bowl"
« Reply #99 on: May 26, 2017, 09:24:43 PM »
I'd have to give 'Nova the slight edge in terms of best BE backcourts for next season. Brunson, Donte and Booth returning. Ponds and LoVett should be right there though.

Simon is the starting PG unless he gets hurt.  Mark my words.   My guess is Lovett is a 6th man in name, plays big minutes though regardless. 

Let's all say it together:  Justin Simon is NOT a point guard.
He is as much of a PG as Dom Pointer.

Simon is a PG that because of his size can play the 2 or the 3. The staff will treat him as such because him and Lovett are the only two guys on the roster that can be trusted playing PG

Ponds isn't trustworthy running the offense?

No. And we shouldn't want him in that role. He's at his best as a 2

This is crazier than your post about Delgado not doing anything better than an average NBA player. Just because Ponds can score doesn't mean he isn't a PG. Conversely, just because Simon can't shoot that doesn't mean we default him to PG. Simon's dribble is high and loose and he only has one hand. He can passs very well, but so could Freudenberg. Ponds is the best passer we've had since at least Omar Cook and he has the best court awareness of anyone I've ever seen wear a St. John's jersey.

Simon has less guard skills than Ellison. Judged as a pure PG, I'd rate Simon's handle a 3-4 out of 10. His passing has developed over his career to compensate for his his lack of shooting ability, but I am curious to see wha a year and a half with Mullin and Richmond did to that awful shot  (everyone seems to be able to shoot well with this staff). I'd imagine Simon would bring the ball up from time to time, take guys off the bounce going downhill off a weave or screen, and may even run the offense for a short stretch with a favorable matchup, but he is clearly not a PG. This is really not up for reasonable debate either.

You're talking about Simon like you've watched him play for 4 years. I'm willing to bet you've seen nothing more than youtube videos of him. Everybody including the staff seems to see him as PG except you. Ponds getting significant PG minutes would be nothing short of stupid. He excels as a 2 at this level, why mess with that?

Also if Delgado does things better than an average NBA player why isn't he in the top 100 of draft prospects for this year?


Delgado rebounds the ball better than just about everyone on this planet.  Whether that alone makes him a high prospect is not the issue.  Your statement was that he didn't do anything better than NBA power forwards.

Simon is a not a PG.  Everyone will realize that game 1.  Maybe he can get himself there by the end of his senior year if he busts his ass, but he's certainly not one now.  He played exclusively SF for Arizona and I went back and watched some of those games after he popped for us.  He's raw for a wing...athletic as hell, but raw.  We don't need a PG next year anyway, we need a SF.

Delgado would not even be an above average rebounder in the NBA. If he was he'd be in the conversation to get drafted this year or next, but he's not.

Simon never played in more than 6 minutes in a game from February on in the season that he played at Arizona. Plus PJC and Kadeem Allen were on their roster that year and he wasn't playing PG over them. So they did what we are going to do and play him at the 3 when we have our PG on the floor because he has the size to do so. If he's a guard with no shooting skills and no point guard skills how was he a top 25 prospect that drew the attention of Arizona? I don't care how big/athletic you are, if you can't shoot or play PG you aren't a top 25 prospect


Dom Pointer was ranked #35 and couldn't shoot or dribble.

So either Simon is going to succeed at PG or he's not going to succeed at all

What a truly bizarre thing to write. What kind of logic is that? Simon is 6'5 210 with a 7 ft wingspan and elite athletic ability. How many PGs fit that physical profile? He could make all league averaging less than 6 pts and 1 assist per game if he maxed his ability on d and the glass.

We have a pair of 6'0 170 lb dynamic guards to handle point. Let him play SF and put some of his skills to use against less skilled SFs.

Dom didn't succeed here until he was forced to play the 4. Simon is not playing the 4. You can't only succeed at the 3 in any competitive level of basketball anymore if you can't shoot. Can you name any good teams in college basketball last year that had a 3 that couldn't shoot?

Simon played little to no minutes at Arizona, it's impossible to tell what position based on the 3 minutes per game he played there.

With Lovett still here, Simon will see minutes at the 3 by default which im fine with. But once Lovett is gone then Simon is going to be our starting PG and he will have to be if we want to be good