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Quote from: we are sju on June 27, 2014, 10:29:00 AM

Quote from: Poison on June 27, 2014, 10:25:01 AM

Quote from: we are sju on June 27, 2014, 10:09:37 AM

Kid played hard and just didn't want to be in school anymore. Whether it was to play basketball overseas( if Geno could get paid to play, someone in some country will pay Jakar!), get a "real job" or just wander the Earth like the dude from Kung Fu, good luck to him. Poison is just bitter he left here, he does this to everyone who leaves early.

Actually, no. I'm not bitter he left here. I'm bitter that this kid thinks he's better off playing in Malaysia than staying in school, getting better at basketball and getting his degree. Many of you think a bachelors degree doesn't mean much anymore. How valuable do you think a college dropout is to any employer?

Jakarr was invited to the 76ers summer league. Let's see how he does.

I am sure Jakar and his people have a better understanding of his situation than anyone on this board. If he was happy here, going to school or both I am sure he would have stayed. Good luck!

Just like Erick Barkley's people and Omar Cook's people did for them.

Quote from: Poison on June 27, 2014, 11:18:49 AM

Quote from: we are sju on June 27, 2014, 10:29:00 AM

Quote from: Poison on June 27, 2014, 10:25:01 AM

Quote from: we are sju on June 27, 2014, 10:09:37 AM

Kid played hard and just didn't want to be in school anymore. Whether it was to play basketball overseas( if Geno could get paid to play, someone in some country will pay Jakar!), get a "real job" or just wander the Earth like the dude from Kung Fu, good luck to him. Poison is just bitter he left here, he does this to everyone who leaves early.

Actually, no. I'm not bitter he left here. I'm bitter that this kid thinks he's better off playing in Malaysia than staying in school, getting better at basketball and getting his degree. Many of you think a bachelors degree doesn't mean much anymore. How valuable do you think a college dropout is to any employer?

Jakarr was invited to the 76ers summer league. Let's see how he does.

I am sure Jakar and his people have a better understanding of his situation than anyone on this board. If he was happy here, going to school or both I am sure he would have stayed. Good luck!

Just like Erick Barkley's people and Omar Cook's people did for them.

Barkley got paid.
Cook's was a real bad decision financially. He would have been drafted in 1st round if he stayed another year or so.
Jakar knew he wasn't going to get drafted and opted out for his own reasons anyway. Honestly I really do not think staying a year or more would have helped him anyway. Would have helped SJU basketball program

We watched Jakarr play this season, and a good deal of the time, he didn't even know what kind of defense he was supposed to be playing. That's not a coach in the making IMO.

I understand the rationale for leaving from the player's POV. He could blow out his knee next season, and end his basketball playing career. But what if he doesn't get drafted, and doesn't get very much interest overseas? Then what? No degree. Very little basketball money, and no future, and for what? Because he couldn't wait until he was ready?

Quote from: Poison on June 26, 2014, 03:11:45 PM

We watched Jakarr play this season, and a good deal of the time, he didn't even know what kind of defense he was supposed to be playing. That's not a coach in the making IMO.

At least one great BB mind disagrees with you:

"In 1997, it was at its best. The great thing was the timeouts. Charles (O'Bannon) would say, 'What are we in?' And two guys would say, 'We're in quicksand,' and the other three would say, 'We're in man-to-man.' I'd say, 'Good. That's how we want it."'

-- Steve Lavin

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I understand the rationale for leaving from the player's POV. He could blow out his knee next season, and end his basketball playing career. But what if he doesn't get drafted, and doesn't get very much interest overseas? Then what? No degree. Very little basketball money, and no future, and for what? Because he couldn't wait until he was ready?

Ready for what according to who? To be an NBA player according to you (and NBA scouts evidently)? He's ready from his perspective to be a professional basketball player. Good for him.

Omar Cook made millions playing basketball overseas.  His leaving town hurt St John's bigtime...but him?  Not so much.

http://www.slamonline.com/other-ballers/omar-cook-one-consequence/

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/jeff-goodman/post?id=3821

Quote from: pmg911 on July 02, 2014, 10:31:30 AM

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/jeff-goodman/post?id=3821

Quote from: Ron Artesticles on July 02, 2014, 11:07:58 AM

Quote from: pmg911 on July 02, 2014, 10:31:30 AM

http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/jeff-goodman/post?id=3821

What makes his decision bad wasn't because he left college. His decision was bad because he thought he was going to get drafted in the first or second round. Those of you who think he left with the thoughts of persuing his dream of playing in Turkey are fooling yourselves. 

Sampson played least on his team. scored 1 point. Ron roberts started had 12 points 9 rebounds

Fwiw;

@kc1nyk: #stats #76ers-#Rockets Line of the Game: #FreeAgency Undrafted Rookie SF-SG JaKarr Sampson for #Sixers: 13 pts, 8 reb, 2 ast, 2 blk, 3 stl.

Quote from: paultzman on July 09, 2014, 09:33:48 AM

Fwiw;

@kc1nyk: #stats #76ers-#Rockets Line of the Game: #FreeAgency Undrafted Rookie SF-SG JaKarr Sampson for #Sixers: 13 pts, 8 reb, 2 ast, 2 blk, 3 stl.

I see that two players from the D league were selected in this year's draft, including PG Harrison in the first round. In light of that Sampson's decision to pursue his own basketball education full time while playing BB for money makes some sense. Especially considering who he'd have been learning basketball from had he remained in school.

Quote from: Foad on July 09, 2014, 01:52:56 PM

Quote from: paultzman on July 09, 2014, 09:33:48 AM

Fwiw;

@kc1nyk: #stats #76ers-#Rockets Line of the Game: #FreeAgency Undrafted Rookie SF-SG JaKarr Sampson for #Sixers: 13 pts, 8 reb, 2 ast, 2 blk, 3 stl.

I see that two players from the D league were selected in this year's draft, including PG Harrison in the first round. In light of that Sampson's decision to pursue his own basketball education full time while playing BB for money makes some sense. Especially considering who he'd have been learning basketball from had he remained in school.

It does make some sense. It just doesn't make a lot of sense. So the NBDL produced 2 NBA players in this past draft. That's not a ringing endorsement for their ability to develop players. How much money will Sampson be making? $20,000? $25,000? If STJ costs 60K per year, a student would need to have approximately $120K to pay for one year of college. Seems to me like the value of the NBDL in terms of both NBA opportunity and money is pretty bad.

A much better option would be Italy, France or Spain. Walter Berry made over a million dollars a year.
But then again, this is Jakarr Sampson. It sure ain't The Truth.

Quote from: Poison on July 09, 2014, 03:48:06 PM

Quote from: Foad on July 09, 2014, 01:52:56 PM

Quote from: paultzman on July 09, 2014, 09:33:48 AM

Fwiw;

@kc1nyk: #stats #76ers-#Rockets Line of the Game: #FreeAgency Undrafted Rookie SF-SG JaKarr Sampson for #Sixers: 13 pts, 8 reb, 2 ast, 2 blk, 3 stl.

I see that two players from the D league were selected in this year's draft, including PG Harrison in the first round. In light of that Sampson's decision to pursue his own basketball education full time while playing BB for money makes some sense. Especially considering who he'd have been learning basketball from had he remained in school.

It does make some sense. It just doesn't make a lot of sense. So the NBDL produced 2 NBA players in this past draft. That's not a ringing endorsement for their ability to develop players. How much money will Sampson be making? $20,000? $25,000? If STJ costs 60K per year, a student would need to have approximately $120K to pay for one year of college. Seems to me like the value of the NBDL in terms of both NBA opportunity and money is pretty bad.

A much better option would be Italy, France or Spain. Walter Berry made over a million dollars a year.
But then again, this is Jakarr Sampson. It sure ain't The Truth.

I agree that Jakarr Sampson is not as good as just about the best player SJU ever produced (what? Chris who?) and that it is unlikely that he will make Berry money. It is also unlikely that he will ever be as good as Berry, no matter how many years he stays in school and how many PhDs he gets. I agree that he would make more money in Europe than the D league. My only point was that between staying in school for one more year hoping to get drafted after learning BB part time from Coach Tesla and hoping to get drafted after studying BB full time from dedicated personal trainers, strength coaches, and whoever else while getting paid, the former doesn't seem to be that bad an idea. As usual YMMV.

He can always go to college. He can always get a crappy degree from a crappy school like SJ. He is just as likely to break his leg in the D league as in the BE. There is no right answer. College is overrated and most people are too stupid to learn anyway. Increasingly I find the examined life is not worth living all together and all of it is shit. If that's the case, why not bounce a ball and bang some milk fed Montana cheerleaders and take advantage of the  $40 per diem. Maybe he hates school. Maybe he hates Lavin. Maybe he hates red and antediluvian sweater mythology. Maybe he hates redman dot com. Maybe he's doing what he wants. Maybe he's happy. Maybe all in all he'd rather be in Philadelphia. Maybe you're projecting your expectations onto a kid who doesn't share them, or maybe your prejudices. Maybe I maybe am. There's lots of maybes, which maybe he is in the best position to analyze, because maybe it's his life.

You all say he stinks in one breath and in the other that one more year of seasoning and he'll play himself into a lottery pick. None of this scans.  It's like he raped a nun or something.

Quote from: Poison on July 09, 2014, 03:48:06 PM

Quote from: Foad on July 09, 2014, 01:52:56 PM

Quote from: paultzman on July 09, 2014, 09:33:48 AM

Fwiw;

@kc1nyk: #stats #76ers-#Rockets Line of the Game: #FreeAgency Undrafted Rookie SF-SG JaKarr Sampson for #Sixers: 13 pts, 8 reb, 2 ast, 2 blk, 3 stl.

I see that two players from the D league were selected in this year's draft, including PG Harrison in the first round. In light of that Sampson's decision to pursue his own basketball education full time while playing BB for money makes some sense. Especially considering who he'd have been learning basketball from had he remained in school.

It does make some sense. It just doesn't make a lot of sense. So the NBDL produced 2 NBA players in this past draft. That's not a ringing endorsement for their ability to develop players. How much money will Sampson be making? $20,000? $25,000? If STJ costs 60K per year, a student would need to have approximately $120K to pay for one year of college. Seems to me like the value of the NBDL in terms of both NBA opportunity and money is pretty bad.

A much better option would be Italy, France or Spain. Walter Berry made over a million dollars a year.
But then again, this is Jakarr Sampson. It sure ain't The Truth.

I agree that Jakarr Sampson is not as good as just about the best player SJU ever produced (what? Chris who?) and that it is unlikely that he will make Berry money. It is also unlikely that he will ever be as good as Berry, no matter how many years he stays in school and how many PhDs he gets. I agree that he would make more money in Europe than the D league. My only point was that between staying in school for one more year hoping to get drafted after learning BB part time from Coach Tesla and hoping to get drafted after studying BB full time from dedicated personal trainers, strength coaches, and whoever else while getting paid, the former doesn't seem to be that bad an idea. As usual YMMV.

He can always go to college. He can always get a crappy degree from a crappy school like SJ. He is just as likely to break his leg in the D league as in the BE. There is no right answer. College is overrated and most people are too stupid to learn anyway. Increasingly I find the examined life is not worth living all together and all of it is shit. If that's the case, why not bounce a ball and bang some milk fed Montana cheerleaders and take advantage of the  $40 per diem. Maybe he hates school. Maybe he hates Lavin. Maybe he hates red and antediluvian sweater mythology. Maybe he hates redman dot com. Maybe he's doing what he wants. Maybe he's happy. Maybe all in all he'd rather be in Philadelphia. Maybe you're projecting your expectations onto a kid who doesn't share them, or maybe your prejudices. Maybe I maybe am. There's lots of maybes, which maybe he is in the best position to analyze, because maybe it's his life.

You all say he stinks in one breath and in the other that one more year of seasoning and he'll play himself into a lottery pick. None of this scans.  It's like he raped a nun or something.

Quote from: Foad on July 09, 2014, 04:30:30 PM

Quote from: Poison on July 09, 2014, 03:48:06 PM

Quote from: Foad on July 09, 2014, 01:52:56 PM

Quote from: paultzman on July 09, 2014, 09:33:48 AM

Fwiw;

@kc1nyk: #stats #76ers-#Rockets Line of the Game: #FreeAgency Undrafted Rookie SF-SG JaKarr Sampson for #Sixers: 13 pts, 8 reb, 2 ast, 2 blk, 3 stl.

I see that two players from the D league were selected in this year's draft, including PG Harrison in the first round. In light of that Sampson's decision to pursue his own basketball education full time while playing BB for money makes some sense. Especially considering who he'd have been learning basketball from had he remained in school.

It does make some sense. It just doesn't make a lot of sense. So the NBDL produced 2 NBA players in this past draft. That's not a ringing endorsement for their ability to develop players. How much money will Sampson be making? $20,000? $25,000? If STJ costs 60K per year, a student would need to have approximately $120K to pay for one year of college. Seems to me like the value of the NBDL in terms of both NBA opportunity and money is pretty bad.

A much better option would be Italy, France or Spain. Walter Berry made over a million dollars a year.
But then again, this is Jakarr Sampson. It sure ain't The Truth.

I agree that Jakarr Sampson is not as good as just about the best player SJU ever produced (what? Chris who?) and that it is unlikely that he will make Berry money. It is also unlikely that he will ever be as good as Berry, no matter how many years he stays in school and how many PhDs he gets. I agree that he would make more money in Europe than the D league. My only point was that between staying in school for one more year hoping to get drafted after learning BB part time from Coach Tesla and hoping to get drafted after studying BB full time from dedicated personal trainers, strength coaches, and whoever else while getting paid, the former doesn't seem to be that bad an idea. As usual YMMV.

He can always go to college. He can always get a crappy degree from a crappy school like SJ. He is just as likely to break his leg in the D league as in the BE. There is no right answer. College is overrated and most people are too stupid to learn anyway. Increasingly I find the examined life is not worth living all together and all of it is shit. If that's the case, why not bounce a ball and bang some milk fed Montana cheerleaders and take advantage of the  $40 per diem. Maybe he hates school. Maybe he hates Lavin. Maybe he hates red and antediluvian sweater mythology. Maybe he hates redman dot com. Maybe he's doing what he wants. Maybe he's happy. Maybe all in all he'd rather be in Philadelphia. Maybe you're projecting your expectations onto a kid who doesn't share them, or maybe your prejudices. Maybe I maybe am. There's lots of maybes, which maybe he is in the best position to analyze, because maybe it's his life.

You all say he stinks in one breath and in the other that one more year of seasoning and he'll play himself into a lottery pick. None of this scans.  It's like he raped a nun or something.

Taking a salary of 20-25K, of which you'll take home 14K means that you're living either right around, or under the poverty line in place of essentially making 120K a year, which isn't bad for any 21 year old kid. STJ might be a crappy school. (I don't think it's so bad) But at that price, I'd agree with you. Still, it beats the hell out of no degree at all.

And again, I'm not suggesting that with one more year he'd get drafted. I don't think he's ever getting drafted, or making the league.
Choosing the NBDL over Europe or college is where I see the error in judgement. If it's money he wants, then go to Europe and make it.