Conditioning Issue

What does that mean? We heard Adonis had these issues from the time he accepted the scholarship. How is a HS basketball player out of shape? Is there more to it then he eats bad and doesn't work out? How can it take an 18 year old with no injury problems have conditioning issues?

Everyone's bodies are different. He's a big fella.

Since his brother also has weight issues, it is likely a genetic thing.  It is often hard for natural thin people to understand the struggles that heavy people go through.

Since his brother also has weight issues, it is likely a genetic thing.  It is often hard for natural thin people to understand the struggles that heavy people go through.

It is also hard for many heavy people to understand that if you eat less food, you'll be less heavy. Adonis needs to want to get in shape. The coaching staff isn't going to follow him around on campus and take the industrial sized bag of Doritos out of his hands.

My one friend eats like a pig and is as skinny as Kate Moss. (Is Kate Moss still a thing?) Genetics are real, some people just have it like that.

Quote from: simplyred on November 02, 2014, 01:57:55 PM

Since his brother also has weight issues, it is likely a genetic thing.  It is often hard for natural thin people to understand the struggles that heavy people go through.

It is also hard for many heavy people to understand that if you eat less food, you'll be less heavy. Adonis needs to want to get in shape. The coaching staff isn't going to follow him around on campus and take the industrial sized bag of Doritos out of his hands.

That's a very simplistic view of the weight issue.

Again, it is not just the weight. He never works hard to get into reasonable condition. Lavin is frustrated with him for that reason. Yes, he is a big man, but come on. I would have let him chug up & down the court a few minutes yesterday, just to let him understand what he needs to do. On the other hand, I can appreciate Lavin's frustration with this apparent lack of commitment.

ADL is exactly who Lavin recruited.  Why is everyone shocked?  I thought he was one of the better, more aggressive players at the Midnight Madness.  He scored at will.  Instead of recruiting a heavy player expecting to cut his weight, the coaches should see what they have and work with it.  Charles Barkley was called the round mound of rebound for a reason.  His weight didn't hurt him.

I would have let him chug up & down the court a few minutes yesterday, just to let him understand what he needs to do

Why do that when you can create needless drama?

Since his brother also has weight issues, it is likely a genetic thing.  It is often hard for natural thin people to understand the struggles that heavy people go through.

Oh come on.  Genetics?  It's far more likely that their family fed them both junk as a kid and they developed horrible eating habits like half of this country.  I was considered a "naturally skinny"person until 9th grade because I come from a track and soccer family and was forced to compete at every meet and tournament in the area since I was a kid.  My weight in the last seven years has fluctuated from a low of 179 during a time I was active cyclng and training for sprint triathlons to a high of 254 when my son was born. I"m currently 230 (10% bf). 

I don't buy the genetics argument. Calories in v. calories burned.

Quote from: Poison on November 02, 2014, 02:11:36 PM

Quote from: simplyred on November 02, 2014, 01:57:55 PM

Since his brother also has weight issues, it is likely a genetic thing.  It is often hard for natural thin people to understand the struggles that heavy people go through.

It is also hard for many heavy people to understand that if you eat less food, you'll be less heavy. Adonis needs to want to get in shape. The coaching staff isn't going to follow him around on campus and take the industrial sized bag of Doritos out of his hands.

That's a very simplistic view of the weight issue.

If Adonis only ate less food, he'd lose weight. A simplistic plan is clearly what's in order.

Quote from: simplyred on November 02, 2014, 02:45:26 PM

Quote from: Poison on November 02, 2014, 02:11:36 PM

Quote from: simplyred on November 02, 2014, 01:57:55 PM

Since his brother also has weight issues, it is likely a genetic thing.  It is often hard for natural thin people to understand the struggles that heavy people go through.

It is also hard for many heavy people to understand that if you eat less food, you'll be less heavy. Adonis needs to want to get in shape. The coaching staff isn't going to follow him around on campus and take the industrial sized bag of Doritos out of his hands.

That's a very simplistic view of the weight issue.

If Adonis only ate less food, he'd lose weight. A simplistic plan is clearly what's in order.

Agreed.

My one friend eats like a pig and is as skinny as Kate Moss. (Is Kate Moss still a thing?) Genetics are real, some people just have it like that.

That is, "Is Kate Moss still a (skinny, waif-like) thing?"   

Quote from: simplyred on November 02, 2014, 01:57:55 PM

Since his brother also has weight issues, it is likely a genetic thing.  It is often hard for natural thin people to understand the struggles that heavy people go through.

Oh come on.  Genetics?  It's far more likely that their family fed them both junk as a kid and they developed horrible eating habits like half of this country.  I was considered a "naturally skinny"person until 9th grade because I come from a track and soccer family and was forced to compete at every meet and tournament in the area since I was a kid.  My weight in the last seven years has fluctuated from a low of 179 during a time I was active cyclng and training for sprint triathlons to a high of 254 when my son was born. I"m currently 230 (10% bf). 

I don't buy the genetics argument. Calories in v. calories burned.

10% body fat at 230 - you must have been the Hulk for Halloween Marillac.

Quote from: simplyred on November 02, 2014, 02:45:26 PM

Quote from: Poison on November 02, 2014, 02:11:36 PM

Quote from: simplyred on November 02, 2014, 01:57:55 PM

Since his brother also has weight issues, it is likely a genetic thing.  It is often hard for natural thin people to understand the struggles that heavy people go through.

It is also hard for many heavy people to understand that if you eat less food, you'll be less heavy. Adonis needs to want to get in shape. The coaching staff isn't going to follow him around on campus and take the industrial sized bag of Doritos out of his hands.

That's a very simplistic view of the weight issue.

If Adonis only ate less food, he'd lose weight. A simplistic plan is clearly what's in order.

My son has the prototypical thick in the middle pitcher's body.  When he wanted to get in better condition, he ran lots of (foul) "poles" with and without his teammates. When he broke his hand during the season, he ran double the poles he did before. That, combined with regular conditioning, got him stronger and better on the mound in a hurry.


I assume a regimen was given out to the guys in the summer.  I'm going to bet the guys were told that it is what they want to make of it.  But I also recall the board discussing the interviews where ADR's HC said he was working really hard to become stronger and get in better shape leading up to his senior year.  I'm not sure what to make of all of this. Either he listened to the coaching staff, or is paying for it now. Not every frosh is mature enough to handle the extra work on top of a HS routine. They learn quick enough.

Quote from: simplyred on November 02, 2014, 01:57:55 PM

Since his brother also has weight issues, it is likely a genetic thing.  It is often hard for natural thin people to understand the struggles that heavy people go through.

Oh come on.  Genetics?  It's far more likely that their family fed them both junk as a kid and they developed horrible eating habits like half of this country.  I was considered a "naturally skinny"person until 9th grade because I come from a track and soccer family and was forced to compete at every meet and tournament in the area since I was a kid.  My weight in the last seven years has fluctuated from a low of 179 during a time I was active cyclng and training for sprint triathlons to a high of 254 when my son was born. I"m currently 230 (10% bf). 

I don't buy the genetics argument. Calories in v. calories burned.

Know who else's family is feeding them garbage? St.John's. As in us. Hot dog, cheeseburger and they actually have corn dogs. Or, take your pick of candy, popcorn, pretzels or ice cream. We should expect crap at a stadium/venue of any kind, but it's a dad example to set in NY in 2014.

Quote from: Marillac on November 02, 2014, 03:58:08 PM

Quote from: simplyred on November 02, 2014, 01:57:55 PM

Since his brother also has weight issues, it is likely a genetic thing.  It is often hard for natural thin people to understand the struggles that heavy people go through.

Oh come on.  Genetics?  It's far more likely that their family fed them both junk as a kid and they developed horrible eating habits like half of this country.  I was considered a "naturally skinny"person until 9th grade because I come from a track and soccer family and was forced to compete at every meet and tournament in the area since I was a kid.  My weight in the last seven years has fluctuated from a low of 179 during a time I was active cyclng and training for sprint triathlons to a high of 254 when my son was born. I"m currently 230 (10% bf). 

I don't buy the genetics argument. Calories in v. calories burned.

Know who else's family is feeding them garbage? St.John's. As in us. Hot dog, cheeseburger and they actually have corn dogs. Or, take your pick of candy, popcorn, pretzels or ice cream. We should expect crap at a stadium/venue of any kind, but it's a dad example to set in NY in 2014.

What we supposed to eat at these games?  A bowl of oatmeal?

Quote from: simplyred on November 02, 2014, 01:57:55 PM

Since his brother also has weight issues, it is likely a genetic thing.  It is often hard for natural thin people to understand the struggles that heavy people go through.

It is also hard for many heavy people to understand that if you eat less food, you'll be less heavy. Adonis needs to want to get in shape. The coaching staff isn't going to follow him around on campus and take the industrial sized bag of Doritos out of his hands.

Have you seen the size of some of the men on our coaching staff?  They are probably eating the industrial sized bag of Doritos with Adonis.

If they did not play him because of his weight issue they're hypocrites. 

This kid should be playing.  They call them big men with good reason.

Quote from: Poison on November 02, 2014, 06:10:59 PM

Quote from: Marillac on November 02, 2014, 03:58:08 PM

Quote from: simplyred on November 02, 2014, 01:57:55 PM

Since his brother also has weight issues, it is likely a genetic thing.  It is often hard for natural thin people to understand the struggles that heavy people go through.

Oh come on.  Genetics?  It's far more likely that their family fed them both junk as a kid and they developed horrible eating habits like half of this country.  I was considered a "naturally skinny"person until 9th grade because I come from a track and soccer family and was forced to compete at every meet and tournament in the area since I was a kid.  My weight in the last seven years has fluctuated from a low of 179 during a time I was active cyclng and training for sprint triathlons to a high of 254 when my son was born. I"m currently 230 (10% bf). 

I don't buy the genetics argument. Calories in v. calories burned.

Know who else's family is feeding them garbage? St.John's. As in us. Hot dog, cheeseburger and they actually have corn dogs. Or, take your pick of candy, popcorn, pretzels or ice cream. We should expect crap at a stadium/venue of any kind, but it's a dad example to set in NY in 2014.

What we supposed to eat at these games?  A bowl of oatmeal?

Celery and quinoa, duh!

Come on people, you can't be that simplistic. Why isn't Adonis in shape! It's the coach's fault! Just put him on diet! Etc Etc, Get real folks. Sandoval on Giants---do you think his trainers  have not tried to get him in shape? Lots of potential being wasted there despite Pablo's  Series success. Newsflash---Lavin is not playing Adonis  until he gets into shape. That is why he did not play this weekend. And Lavin will not play him until his conditioning and approach changes. Shock theapy.  Is Lavin going out on limb. Yes he is. But he is putting ball into Adonis hands. You will not play until you train. Adonis' choice. Hope he makes the right decision. And I support coach's approach. Adonis did not  have this discipline in high school.He showed up and he played. Not any more.   Up to Adonis.. No matter his size, no matter the team needs, he ain't playing until Adonis gets into shape. Amen.  Only way Adonis is pro material is if he trains. Lavin is on the right track.