Bashir Ahmed - SF - JFK - Bronx, NY - ST. JOHN'S

Quote from: Marillac on March 10, 2016, 05:04:15 PM

Quote from: we are sju on March 10, 2016, 04:16:23 PM

FWIW
Top 7 JUCO players from last year:
Artis-UTEP 11.8
Dunans-Auburn 11.6
Manyang-Oak 2.7
Montero-Portland TrailBlazers
Ibaka-OSU 0.9
Myers-Wake Forrest 2.4
Dima- WA 6.8

Well, the best comp is Kadeem Allen, also from Hutchinson and played the same position.  He is averaging 8 points 3.6 assists and 3 boards in 25 minutes per game with Arizona in his first year.  Both guys were player of the year for their conference.

I think we'd all take that.

Those are stats on a far more talented team, Bashir may be and I emphasize may be (as none of us knows right now) our best player.

Quote from: Poison on March 10, 2016, 03:18:51 PM

Quote from: Gray Chudney on March 10, 2016, 02:08:32 PM

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Quote from: paultzman on March 04, 2016, 01:41:59 PM

@bluedragonsport

Congrats to Bashir Ahmed, Jayhawk Conference 1st-team selection and 2016 KJCC Men's Basketball Most Valuable Player,

More to come

To MCNPA above, there is nothing wrong with calling him an NBA prospect.  He clearly has NBA physical talent and size.  It will be some of the other stuff that dictates if that is his path or not. 

In the FWIW category, a local assistant told me last fall that Bashir is a "pro" and that if SJU got him, he'd start day 1.

We should temper these expectations. People just like this local assistant also said that Mussini, Johnson, Sima and Williams were pros, too.
Let's let him come in with the expectations that should exist from a player who's community college does a tremendous job of hiding his abilities, and their games in general. Let's honor the secret that they've kept, and be pleasantly surprised when he shows up, and he can play.

There is not one person in this

Quote from: Gray Chudney on March 10, 2016, 03:49:30 PM

Quote from: Poison on March 10, 2016, 03:18:51 PM

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Quote from: Marillac on March 10, 2016, 12:26:55 PM

Quote from: paultzman on March 04, 2016, 01:41:59 PM

@bluedragonsport

Congrats to Bashir Ahmed, Jayhawk Conference 1st-team selection and 2016 KJCC Men's Basketball Most Valuable Player,

More to come

To MCNPA above, there is nothing wrong with calling him an NBA prospect.  He clearly has NBA physical talent and size.  It will be some of the other stuff that dictates if that is his path or not. 

In the FWIW category, a local assistant told me last fall that Bashir is a "pro" and that if SJU got him, he'd start day 1.

We should temper these expectations. People just like this local assistant also said that Mussini, Johnson, Sima and Williams were pros, too.
Let's let him come in with the expectations that should exist from a player who's community college does a tremendous job of hiding his abilities, and their games in general. Let's honor the secret that they've kept, and be pleasantly surprised when he shows up, and he can play.

Literally no one said those guys were pros, let alone a coach who personally scouted Bashir.  I think everyone gets your position on the current roster, but the hyperbole is exhausting.

Its not only exhausting...more like bad diarrhea that just keeps coming.

Quote from: Gray Chudney on March 10, 2016, 09:42:30 PM

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Quote from: Poison on March 10, 2016, 03:18:51 PM

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Quote from: Marillac on March 10, 2016, 12:26:55 PM

Quote from: paultzman on March 04, 2016, 01:41:59 PM

@bluedragonsport

Congrats to Bashir Ahmed, Jayhawk Conference 1st-team selection and 2016 KJCC Men's Basketball Most Valuable Player,

More to come

To MCNPA above, there is nothing wrong with calling him an NBA prospect.  He clearly has NBA physical talent and size.  It will be some of the other stuff that dictates if that is his path or not. 

In the FWIW category, a local assistant told me last fall that Bashir is a "pro" and that if SJU got him, he'd start day 1.

We should temper these expectations. People just like this local assistant also said that Mussini, Johnson, Sima and Williams were pros, too.
Let's let him come in with the expectations that should exist from a player who's community college does a tremendous job of hiding his abilities, and their games in general. Let's honor the secret that they've kept, and be pleasantly surprised when he shows up, and he can play.

What secret have they kept? We're talking about a 1st team JUCO All-American, conference player of the year, and possibly the national player of the year.  The irony of you trying to temper optimism, when you let your negativity run rampant for a years at a time, is crazy. You are a first ballot troll. MCN could run around throwing glitter and giving compliments at every game and not touch the level of untempered emotion you show on a daily basis. 

I'm sorry if you misunderstood my post. You did.

I suggest reading it again, only slower so your small brain can comprehend all of it. I was mainly calling attention to the horrendous job that shitbox Hurchinson Community College does of promoting their players because their All American has been kept a secret not just from us, but from everyone, and I place all of that blame on them.

And yes, I did attempt to temper expectations, because we are so often disappointed when delusional fans like yourself build up players like they're the next Dwayne Wade and then upon arrival we see that they can't handle a D3 man to man defense. But please, by all means keep calling people trolls when they call you out for your ridiculous predictions of players that you've never seen before in your life.

What are your expectations for Bashir's SJU career?

My expectations for Bashir's career are that fans and media will build him up to be the next Walter Berry before ever actually seeing him play. And I think that because the team is in such dire need of a go to player, that all signs based on his likely meaningless juco awards will point to him carrying that unfair responsibility.

While it would be great if he was up to that task, I would rather give him the time he probably needs to adjust to D1 basketball without the pressure of having to bring St.John's back from the 25 year shit storm that defines them.

Quote from: Poison on March 10, 2016, 10:31:48 PM

Quote from: Gray Chudney on March 10, 2016, 09:42:30 PM

Quote from: Poison on March 10, 2016, 08:59:42 PM

Quote from: Marillac on March 10, 2016, 03:31:53 PM

Quote from: Poison on March 10, 2016, 03:18:51 PM

Quote from: Gray Chudney on March 10, 2016, 02:08:32 PM

Quote from: Marillac on March 10, 2016, 12:26:55 PM

Quote from: paultzman on March 04, 2016, 01:41:59 PM

@bluedragonsport

Congrats to Bashir Ahmed, Jayhawk Conference 1st-team selection and 2016 KJCC Men's Basketball Most Valuable Player,

More to come

To MCNPA above, there is nothing wrong with calling him an NBA prospect.  He clearly has NBA physical talent and size.  It will be some of the other stuff that dictates if that is his path or not. 

In the FWIW category, a local assistant told me last fall that Bashir is a "pro" and that if SJU got him, he'd start day 1.

We should temper these expectations. People just like this local assistant also said that Mussini, Johnson, Sima and Williams were pros, too.
Let's let him come in with the expectations that should exist from a player who's community college does a tremendous job of hiding his abilities, and their games in general. Let's honor the secret that they've kept, and be pleasantly surprised when he shows up, and he can play.

What secret have they kept? We're talking about a 1st team JUCO All-American, conference player of the year, and possibly the national player of the year.  The irony of you trying to temper optimism, when you let your negativity run rampant for a years at a time, is crazy. You are a first ballot troll. MCN could run around throwing glitter and giving compliments at every game and not touch the level of untempered emotion you show on a daily basis. 

I'm sorry if you misunderstood my post. You did.

I suggest reading it again, only slower so your small brain can comprehend all of it. I was mainly calling attention to the horrendous job that shitbox Hurchinson Community College does of promoting their players because their All American has been kept a secret not just from us, but from everyone, and I place all of that blame on them.

And yes, I did attempt to temper expectations, because we are so often disappointed when delusional fans like yourself build up players like they're the next Dwayne Wade and then upon arrival we see that they can't handle a D3 man to man defense. But please, by all means keep calling people trolls when they call you out for your ridiculous predictions of players that you've never seen before in your life.

What are your expectations for Bashir's SJU career?

My expectations for Bashir's career are that fans and media will build him up to be the next Walter Berry before ever actually seeing him play. And I think that because the team is in such dire need of a go to player, that all signs based on his likely meaningless juco awards will point to him carrying that unfair responsibility.

While it would be great if he was up to that task, I would rather give him the time he probably needs to adjust to D1 basketball without the pressure of having to bring St.John's back from the 25 year shit storm that defines them.

You answered the "expectations for his career" question with remarks expressing skepticism of his Juco all American distinction and that fans are excited that he has NBA upside based on reports from coaches and recruiting rankers who like his game. 

I got banned twice already from Redmen.com alone.

My expectations for Bashir's career are that fans and media will build him up to be the next Walter Berry before ever actually seeing him play. And I think that because the team is in such dire need of a go to player, that all signs based on his likely meaningless juco awards will point to him carrying that unfair responsibility.

Quote from: Poison on March 10, 2016, 10:31:48 PM

My expectations for Bashir's career are that fans and media will build him up to be the next Walter Berry before ever actually seeing him play. And I think that because the team is in such dire need of a go to player, that all signs based on his likely meaningless juco awards will point to him carrying that unfair responsibility.

I don't agree with a lot of things you say, but this right here I feel you on this one.  One poster--who I happen to like--on Redmen asked Paultz about the comparison between Larry Johnson (a JUCO AA and POY during his days in junior college) and Ahmed.  Seriously?  Yeah, let's just ask about a comparison between one of the best players to probably ever play JUCO hoops, and probably the best player in UNLV basketball history and an NBA stud before injuries derailed his career to a player he probably never seen play.  That sounds reasonable, right?

Not to mention, Johnson and Ahmed are two different players.  People also forget (or, aren't aware) Larry Johnson was considered the #1 player in the '87 high school class (of course, a McDonald's AA to boot) by some analysts. 

I'm still cautiously optimistic, and will temper my enthusiam and hope for the best.  I'd probably be a bit more gung-ho, per my expectations, but this past season has humbled those prospects on my end. 

@bluedragonsport

Final score: Hutchinson 84, Moberly 74. HCC, now 30-4, takes on Northwest Florida State at 6 p.m. Thursday in the NJCAA Quarterfinals

22/12 for Ahmed

Quote from: paultzman on March 16, 2016, 04:53:51 PM

@bluedragonsport

Final score: Hutchinson 84, Moberly 74. HCC, now 30-4, takes on Northwest Florida State at 6 p.m. Thursday in the NJCAA Quarterfinals

22/12 for Ahmed

Yet another full game available for fans to see the "invisible" Ahmed. Looked good. Next round will be tough.

Quote from: paultzman on March 16, 2016, 04:53:51 PM

@bluedragonsport

Final score: Hutchinson 84, Moberly 74. HCC, now 30-4, takes on Northwest Florida State at 6 p.m. Thursday in the NJCAA Quarterfinals

22/12 for Ahmed

Yet another full game available for fans to see the "invisible" Ahmed. Looked good. Next round will be tough.

Quote from: Marillac on March 16, 2016, 05:22:47 PM

Quote from: paultzman on March 16, 2016, 04:53:51 PM

@bluedragonsport

Final score: Hutchinson 84, Moberly 74. HCC, now 30-4, takes on Northwest Florida State at 6 p.m. Thursday in the NJCAA Quarterfinals

22/12 for Ahmed

Doing a great job down there. Their size  will give  Hutch problems. We'll get a good feel for Ahmed's effectiveness as a stretch-four.

Yet another full game available for fans to see the "invisible" Ahmed. Looked good. Next round will be tough.

Coach of their next opponent is local guy who played at Cardozo & was an AC at Iona, among other places, Steve DeMeo. Nice guy.

http://nwfraiders.com/sports/mbkb/coaches/Steve_DeMeo

I think he is way to short to be a legit stretch four.

Quote from: paultzman on March 16, 2016, 04:53:51 PM

@bluedragonsport

Final score: Hutchinson 84, Moberly 74. HCC, now 30-4, takes on Northwest Florida State at 6 p.m. Thursday in the NJCAA Quarterfinals

22/12 for Ahmed

Yet another full game available for fans to see the "invisible" Ahmed. Looked good. Next round will be tough.

http://www.bluedragonsports.com/news/102360

I think he is way to short too be a legit stretch four.