6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => Recruiting => 2019 Class => Topic started by: paultzman on March 17, 2017, 07:46:34 PM
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Pat Lawless @PatLawless_
Aidan Igiehon is a strong candidate to have a breakout spring and summer - '19 PF holds three high major offers (link: http://www.madehoops.com/news_article/show/771142?referrer_id=1272156) madehoops.com/news_article/s…
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Pat Lawless @PatLawless_
Aidan Igiehon, a class of 2019 PF playing for the NY Lightning, just picked up an offer from Syracuse.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/ASlater247/status/879138910336692224
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Blowing up!
https://twitter.com/bsnowscout/status/879339814528724992
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As previously stated i know this kid well and he's a great young man. Basketball wise by his senior yr I will be SHOCKED if he's not top 15 in the country. Yes he's very smart and he's a long way away from narrowing his college lists but he will be offered by everybody in the country and I wouldn't rule out him choosing an Ivy. As far as SJU he knows the school well and they will be given much consideration
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This kid and Precious would be off the charts
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Kid looks talented but I want to see what he does at the HS level next year and against top 100 comp. He's only been in this country 2 years so he's off to a good start no question. You want to make deep NCAA runs, you need big-time athletes like this kid.
https://www.balls.ie/american-sports/watch-aiden-igiehon-highlights-351414
I really hope we finish at or above 18 wins next year and fighting for tourney berth. Will help a ton in recruiting.
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Per Scout.com....
On the recruiting trail schools such as St. John's, Illinois, Syracuse, Xavier, Arizona, Yale, and others remain involved with Igiehon.
"A couple of schools called on June 15 and said I’d be a perfect fit for them in college because of my versatility and ability to run the floor hard," said Igiehon of his recruitment.
He continued, "I have visited St. Louis and St. John’s. Also I am hoping to plan visits to Syracuse, Yale, and Arizona as well."
When it comes to his trip to St. John's, Igiehon said, "I saw a coaching staff that cares about their players. They tell me that if I go there the team would be built around me. They want the New York kids to stay home, and sold me on the big picture of the program and how I would fit in, in their front court."
http://www.scout.com/college/basketball/recruiting/story/1788036-igiehon-talks-potential-trips
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Igiehon says he's seen St. John's and St. Louis, but after the summer he's hoping to make a few visits and mentioned Arizona, Syracuse and Yale as places he hopes to see. In the meantime, don't expect any kind of decision or definitive list anytime soon.
"Narrowing things down, it has to be after next year's AAU season," said Igiehon. "I don't want to rush things. I really want to know who I can get (interest from) and where it's a fit. I definitely will take some visits just to get an idea of what I'm looking for."
https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/irish-import-aidan-igiehon-becoming-a-high-level-prospect
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I just noticed the piece is from June 28th. Regardless, I know we've been in contact, although we wasn't mentioned below.
Aidan Igiehon: A native of Ireland, Aidan Igiehon has steadily improved over his three years in America, but, at the Elite100, finally got noticed by a mass audience. A former soccer player, 6'10" Aidan brings excellent athleticism and footwork with the versatility of being able to play either the four or the five, depending on the personnel. With his strong physique, lateral quickness, and superior intellect, he continues to improve on the defensive end of containing and anticipating movements of his man. Offensively, his mix of power combined with low-post skill created a major match-up problem for opponents. When faced with some of the premier players of his own class, Igiehon appeared dominant for stretches. Although he still has two years of high school, hopefully, this performance wakes up some of the nation's premier programs to this underrated big man. Since June fifteenth, Igiehon, who plays for the Lightning on the EYBL Circuit, has heard from Arizona, Harvard, Indiana, Syracuse, Georgetown, Villanova, Yale, Stanford, Pitt, Rutgers, Miami, Duke, and Ohio State.
http://247sports.com/Article/Dozen-of-the-Best-Big-Men-at-the-Nike-Elite-100-Cockburn-Aidan-S-53370523
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Stud!
https://twitter.com/thehoopgroup/status/888008073163530241
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now I'm admittedly biased here but in terms of long term potential and entire package I like this kid better than bothBrown and Naz. He's a stud now and just scratching the surface
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now I'm admittedly biased here but in terms of long term potential and entire package I like this kid better than bothBrown and Naz. He's a stud now and just scratching the surface
Wholeheartedly agree
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now I'm admittedly biased here but in terms of long term potential and entire package I like this kid better than bothBrown and Naz. He's a stud now and just scratching the surface
Moses and Naz are probably 1 and dones. A multiyear player will help us more IMO.
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Andrew Slater @ASlater247
6'10" Aidan Igiehon'19 & Posh Alexander'20 of @NY_Lightning earned offers from #Dayton
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Andrew Slater @ASlater247
6'10" Aidan Igiehon'19 & Posh Alexander'20 of @NY_Lightning earned offers from #Dayton
Good try Dayton
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VA offered. Louisville coming in to see him today
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Andrew Slater @ASlater247
6'10" Aidan Igiehon'19 & Posh Alexander'20 of @NY_Lightning earned offers from #Dayton
Good try Dayton
They probably have a better shot than we do
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He was at the Nebraska game tonight as per Marley.
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per Braziller
St John’s assistant Matt Abdelmassih will see elite junior big man Aidan Igiehon today and attend Christ the King-Long Island Lutheran game for Kofi Cockburn
and Moussa Cisse #sjubb
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per Braziller
St John’s assistant Matt Abdelmassih will see elite junior big man Aidan Igiehon today and attend Christ the King-Long Island Lutheran game for Kofi Cockburn
and Moussa Cisse #sjubb
Like Cisse!
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per Braziller
St John’s assistant Matt Abdelmassih will see elite junior big man Aidan Igiehon today and attend Christ the King-Long Island Lutheran game for Kofi Cockburn
and Moussa Cisse #sjubb
Like Cisse!
CTK Coach Arbitello apparently thinks Cisse could be very, very good in time.
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per Braziller
St John’s assistant Matt Abdelmassih will see elite junior big man Aidan Igiehon today and attend Christ the King-Long Island Lutheran game for Kofi Cockburn
and Moussa Cisse #sjubb
I'll take one from column A and two from column B please.
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Matt seeing him today
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@Johnnies Pride
Big game for @Big_harris22 received MVP in win over St. Raymond’s with 24 points 13 rebounds and 2 blocks. #SJUBB
1:48 PM · Jan 15, 2018
Clip:
https://twitter.com/big_harris22/status/923679350544916480
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Andrew Slater
@Andrew__Slater
6’10” Aidan Igiehon’19 @Big_harris22 attracted St.John’s coaches Chris Mullin & @mabde33 & Xavier’s Luke Murray to @EmpireInvite ☘️. Stanford, Oregon, Virginia are recruiting him hard too
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Per Julius Kim. Of @elevatehoops
By: Julius Kim
It was another day in the office for elite athletic 2019 big man Aidan Igiehon as he recorded 15 points, grabbed 17 rebounds, and rejected 6 shots against University Prep. The 6-foot-10 and high academic prospect spoke about how his junior year is going so far and gave the latest on his recruitment.
“Junior year is going pretty well… just trying to focus on the little things and trying to get better,” he said.
“So the little things… just talking on D (defense), my boxing out and when you’re so athletic, and sometimes you forget. You might not get punished now but on the bigger circuit… just things like that,” he continued.
St. John’s head coach Chris Mullin and assistant Matt Abdelmassih were spotted to see Igiehon as well as Xavier’s assistant Luke Murray. The Irish native mentioned that almost every program in the country is recruiting him and spoke about his overall status in his recruitment.
“Recruiting wise right now is hot,” he said. “Pretty much almost every college in the country still inviting me up.”He went on to list some schools that he’s hearing from the most.
“Virginia, Stanford, Oregon, Georgetown, St. John’s, Gonzaga… everybody’s pretty much going hard on me.”
As stated, Xavier was in attendance for Igiehon. He broke down what their message has been to him.“They just been saying that I’m at the top of the list. They pretty much text me every day. Me and Coach (Chris) Mack and Me and Luke (Murray)… so yeah we’re building a relationship.”
The Johnnies have been recruiting Igiehon since he was in the 9th grade. He spoke on what they had to offer. “St. John’s… they’ve been there since my ninth grade. I’m always on campus and I’m always at games so me and Chris Mullin and me and Matt (Abdelmassih)… we’re always talking back and fourth at least two or three times a week.”
Virginia is a program that he has mentioned a couple of times. He gave his input on what the Cavaliers are saying to him.
“Virginia… they’ve been at my school a lot. The head coach Tony Bennett and the assistant Ron Sanchez… me and coach (Tony) Bennett speak at length almost like everyday. So our relationship is pretty good.
Since Igiehon is a very high academic athlete, it is no surprise that he mentioned Stanford.
“Stanford is a big one…. Yeah-high academic… they talk to me more than just basketball… the value area and what you can do and stuff like that so it’s always a good thing to look at.”
He stated that Oregon is a programs that’s coming after him the hardest. “Oregon is probably one the schools that’s recruiting me the hardest. So they’re making a push and I’ve been in touch with the two assistant coaches and the head coach too.”
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@PatLawless_
Aidan Igiehon, a class of 2019 Big Man from Lawrence Woodmere Academy (NY), took his first official visit to USC on March 2nd-4th. He tells @PrepCircuit he still plans on making his decision during his Senior H.S. season.
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'19 is a huge class for SJU. Whitney, Igiehon, Gaffney, Precious, Lewis and Antoine etc. Obviously not going to get them all but need to strike gold in this class with a few big names. Need difference makers.
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'19 is a huge class for SJU. Whitney, Igiehon, Gaffney, Precious, Lewis and Antoine etc. Obviously not going to get them all but need to strike gold in this class with a few big names. Need difference makers.
Probably won't get any of them. They'll sign a lacrosse player turned basketball player and we'll get the rhetoric that he's a big time get shoved down our throats.
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'19 is a huge class for SJU. Whitney, Igiehon, Gaffney, Precious, Lewis and Antoine etc. Obviously not going to get them all but need to strike gold in this class with a few big names. Need difference makers.
You don't want Cockburn ?
Seriously though, we need 1 or 2 but I am not expecting any of these guys unless next season really gets off to same start as this year did and goes through Big East play.
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'19 is a huge class for SJU. Whitney, Igiehon, Gaffney, Precious, Lewis and Antoine etc. Obviously not going to get them all but need to strike gold in this class with a few big names. Need difference makers.
You don't want Cockburn ?
Seriously though, we need 1 or 2 but I am not expecting any of these guys unless next season really gets off to same start as this year did and goes through Big East play.
I forgot some kids to list including Kofi obviously he gets included too. That is why I said "etc"
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'19 is a huge class for SJU. Whitney, Igiehon, Gaffney, Precious, Lewis and Antoine etc. Obviously not going to get them all but need to strike gold in this class with a few big names. Need difference makers.
Winning this year would help a lot
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There is a good chance to land some very talented kids but from what I understand Igiehon is going to be hard to get
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There is a good chance to land some very talented kids but from what I understand Igiehon is going to be hard to get
Agree, much better chance with Kofi.
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Just make sure he gets some corn beef and cabbage and Irish Soda Bread on Saturday courtesy of SJU coaching staff....
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Just make sure he gets some corn beef and cabbage and Irish Soda Bread on Saturday courtesy of SJU coaching staff....
What is "corn beef"? And are recruiting violations in your two year plan? If not, let's skip the gifts to recruits.
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Mike Rice getting a good one
https://twitter.com/coachmikerice/status/975517662179725312?s=21
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Mike Rice getting a good one
https://twitter.com/coachmikerice/status/975517662179725312?s=21
I still think Rice would be a great hire for us and help a lot of what ails us. It seems kids and parents have no qualms about letting their kids play for Rice at the HS level. I really don’t know why we get that done. Guy is disciplined and would be a big help recruiting. Now back to igheon after momentary tangent.
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Per Pat Lawless
Aidan Igiehon, a class of 2019 Big Man from Lawrence Woodmere (NY), just picked up an offer from Louisville.
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Per Pat Lawless
Aidan Igiehon, a class of 2019 Big Man playing for Team Rio (NJ), will have an in-home visit with Oregon Head Coach Dana Altman and assistant coach Mike Mennenga on Tuesday.
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Per Pat Lawless
Aidan Igiehon, a class of 2019 Big Man playing for Team Rio (NJ), will have an in-home visit with Oregon Head Coach Dana Altman and assistant coach Mike Mennenga on Tuesday.
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@Andrew__Slater
Following Following @Andrew__Slater
Florida just offered Aidan Igiehon’19 @Big_harris22 of @teamrionational #Gators
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Yeah I don’t have confidence here. Anybody visiting schools like Oregon, Baylor and quite a few others are red flags...
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https://www.prepcircuit.com/news_article/show/910900
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https://www.prepcircuit.com/news_article/show/910900
Doesn't sound promising. Not listed among the 4 supposedly recruiting him the hardest and that last quote makes me think he's waiting for a particular blue blood.
“I’m going to wait and focus on AAU stuff for a little bit,” said Igiehon. “I’m probably trying to cut it to a top ten, but I’m waiting to see if a couple of schools will offer and then I’ll go from there.”
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Tough get, stay on him because things may change.
Interesting that 3 are PAC 12 schools. There are plenty of eastern schools that would love to have him, sure sounds like he has an affinity for the left coast.
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Tough get, stay on him because things may change.
Interesting that 3 are PAC 12 schools. There are plenty of eastern schools that would love to have him, sure sounds like he has an affinity for the left coast.
I’d be more than happy with Kofi if we can land him. Big strong bull inside. Hard to stop. Igeon will go to to a blue blood.
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Stanford in great shape I believe. Academia are very important to him. FYI Aidan handles own recruiting free of handlers.
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Let me preface this by saying this is not necessarily a shot at the staff and I understand there is a long way to go but the once potential of a great 19 class is now looking like Cockburn or bust.
Seems like we have no longer have a shot at Lewis + Precious and now looking more like we are long shots at best for Aidan and Whitney. Know the perception is that we are in good shape with Kofi but now Kansas is involved and we know optimism with these isn't often rewarded.
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Let me preface this by saying this is not necessarily a shot at the staff and I understand there is a long way to go but the once potential of a great 19 class is now looking like Cockburn or bust.
Seems like we have no longer have a shot at Lewis + Precious and now looking more like we are long shots at best for Aidan and Whitney. Know the perception is that we are in good shape with Kofi but now Kansas is involved and we know optimism with these isn't often rewarded.
Other names will emerge.
The key will be what will the staff look like come July.
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That’s one thing good about getting the transfers, takes some pressure off the 19 class.
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Let me preface this by saying this is not necessarily a shot at the staff and I understand there is a long way to go but the once potential of a great 19 class is now looking like Cockburn or bust.
Seems like we have no longer have a shot at Lewis + Precious and now looking more like we are long shots at best for Aidan and Whitney. Know the perception is that we are in good shape with Kofi but now Kansas is involved and we know optimism with these isn't often rewarded.
Other names will emerge.
The key will be what will the staff look like come July.
Yeah, it's still early I suppose but not easy for a program like this to pick off a highly ranked kid after getting in the game late with him. But it is college basketball after all and crazier things have happened. Hopefully Mullin is willing to get creative with his staff to give himself a leg up on a game changing prospect
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That’s one thing good about getting the transfers, takes some pressure off the 19 class.
Agree, at least this staff has the potential to overcome striking out on all the top HS prospects by acquiring talent elsewhere
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That’s one thing good about getting the transfers, takes some pressure off the 19 class.
That's a trap and a bit miskeading. Getting transfers does not necessarily take pressure off of the talent level is not the same.
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Getting transfers is fine and dandy but we definitely need to hit on some of these top 150 high school prospects at some point. It seems to be the same story over and over. We are in good shape with guys and as time goes on we put all of our eggs in one basket and come up empty handed. I really hope this changes for the 2019 class because we have been hearing every class will be the most important and nothing seems to come to fruition.
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That’s one thing good about getting the transfers, takes some pressure off the 19 class.
That's a trap and a bit miskeading. Getting transfers does not necessarily take pressure off of the talent level is not the same.
Not always the case... lots of these kids were the same level or better out of Hs, and most weren’t abject failures... most were just under-utilized. Some didn’t play as well as their billing, but not always their faukt either, which is why it takes some scouting. Truth is that much if the time it isn’t like we are getting players that are much worse than their top 100 ranking and some may be better with a different coach/team etc. would definitely love some high star freshmen, but doesn’t seem we are landing slouches...
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Saw him for first time this weekend. He looks the part. Need to watch some more next weekend but he's a beast.
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That’s one thing good about getting the transfers, takes sometime pressure off the 19 class.
That's a trap and a bit miskeading. Getting transfers does not necessarily take pressure off of the talent level is not the same.
Clark and Simon worked out well. Have to mix transfers w top 150 Hs recruits like Aknel said.
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@NYPost_Brazille
In addition to Chris Ledlum, St Johns also hosting top target Aidan Igiehon today, per source. Kofi Cockburn tomorrow.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4017yu5u9sQ
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https://twitter.com/teamrionational/status/1011694791703367680
Down to 10 including SJU.
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Visiting Louisville Thursday
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247 Sports Director of Scouting Jerry Meyer now joins the fray predicting Aidan to join the program:
https://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Aidan-Igiehon-at-Lawrence-Woodmere-Academy-181795/CurrentExpertPredictions
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Evan Daniels just crystal balled him to Louisville so these crystal balls don't mean much
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Evan Daniels just crystal balled him to Louisville so these crystal balls don't mean much
Meyer and Slater have good track records but Daniels at 95% success rate is by far the highest. Thing is these guys are known to change their predictions because as we all know and have heard a million times "recruiting is fluid".
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Evan Daniels just crystal balled him to Louisville so these crystal balls don't mean much
Take into account Daniels lives in Louisville and is very close to the program.
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Let's get real. If we beat out those 9 schools the program would be on another level.
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We need to land this kid. Considering we were on him first along with his involvement in social media in NY we have a really good chance of singing him. He seems to realize the opportunities that exist for him in NY and how he can leverage basketball to get him access to these opportunities.
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This is such a broken record on this board. These 5 star prospects have zero reason to go to SJU until we win 20+ games and make the dance. Heron's a different case because of his mom's situation. Otherwise these are all pipe dreams. Win and we have a shot. Mike Rice would help first in terms of coaching and the win total. Secondly he would help because of his AAU ties. Not the other way around. Let's see if he comes on board.
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This is such a broken record on this board. These 5 star prospects have zero reason to go to SJU until we win 20+ games and make the dance. Heron's a different case because of his mom's situation. Otherwise these are all pipe dreams. Win and we have a shot. Mike Rice would help first in terms of coaching and the win total. Secondly he would help because of his AAU ties. Not the other way around. Let's see if he comes on board.
Johnny23, you're dead wrong. Inch by inch Chris and staff have been working over the past 3+ years to prove jabronis like you wrong, and they will. Once Rice comes on board it's a wrap. This is the year we move the needle, the wins are coming, followed by the elite 2019 kids. Feel out the tri state, read the market, once the momentum builds in November ( we have the best backcourt in the country) this season, we will be the talk of the Northeast. We are.
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This is such a broken record on this board. These 5 star prospects have zero reason to go to SJU until we win 20+ games and make the dance. Heron's a different case because of his mom's situation. Otherwise these are all pipe dreams. Win and we have a shot. Mike Rice would help first in terms of coaching and the win total. Secondly he would help because of his AAU ties. Not the other way around. Let's see if he comes on board.
Johnny23, you're dead wrong. Inch by inch Chris and staff have been working over the past 3+ years to prove jabronis like you wrong, and they will. Once Rice comes on board it's a wrap. This is the year we move the needle, the wins are coming, followed by the elite 2019 kids. Feel out the tri state, read the market, once the momentum builds in November ( we have the best backcourt in the country) this season, we will be the talk of the Northeast. We are.
Dead wrong about which part? Like I said if they get Rice there's a chance the wins and the recruits follow. Without Rice, I don't have a lot of confidence in the current staff's coaching ability. We shall see.
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This is such a broken record on this board. These 5 star prospects have zero reason to go to SJU until we win 20+ games and make the dance. Heron's a different case because of his mom's situation. Otherwise these are all pipe dreams. Win and we have a shot. Mike Rice would help first in terms of coaching and the win total. Secondly he would help because of his AAU ties. Not the other way around. Let's see if he comes on board.
Johnny23, you're dead wrong. Inch by inch Chris and staff have been working over the past 3+ years to prove jabronis like you wrong, and they will. Once Rice comes on board it's a wrap. This is the year we move the needle, the wins are coming, followed by the elite 2019 kids. Feel out the tri state, read the market, once the momentum builds in November ( we have the best backcourt in the country) this season, we will be the talk of the Northeast. We are.
We've gone inch by inch many times before but we've never hit the jackpot - as hiring Rice ( presuming he can open the door to more elite recruits ) recruiting Igehon, and keeping Heron eligible,etc.would be. Before that happens it would be premature to assign the jabronis tag to anyone.
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Chris obekpa, slice, and now mike rice. 3 most over rated men in Johnny jungle history. Rice would be an upgrade. Has anyone ever looked up his record at Rutgers ?
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Chris obekpa, slice, and now mike rice. 3 most over rated men in Johnny jungle history. Rice would be an upgrade. Has anyone ever looked up his record at Rutgers ?
I don’t think that’s fair. Ever seen Calipari’s record in the NBA? What about Norm Roberts record at St. John’s.
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Chris obekpa, slice, and now mike rice. 3 most over rated men in Johnny jungle history. Rice would be an upgrade. Has anyone ever looked up his record at Rutgers ?
Obekpa was the best shot blocker in the country during his time here. Slice was not here long enough to assess, and Mike Rice took Robert Morris to the tournament twice before tackling a full rebuild at Rutgers.
Jermaine Lawrence, Max Hooper and many others were more overrated by this board.
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Chris obekpa, slice, and now mike rice. 3 most over rated men in Johnny jungle history. Rice would be an upgrade. Has anyone ever looked up his record at Rutgers ?
I don’t think that’s fair. Ever seen Calipari’s record in the NBA? What about Norm Roberts record at St. John’s.
It is completely unfair as you state but for even simpler terms, YOU ARE NOT HIRING HIM AS YOUR HEAD COACH. THE STANDARD IS NOT THE SAME FOR AN ASSITANT AS IT IS FOR A HC!!!
Think about it this way, would you hire Steve Pikiel as an assistant? Under the same standard you are holding Rice in terms of his record at Rutgers the answer would be NO. And that is why that standard is ludicrous. It is ludicrous to hold an assistant position to the same standard as the HC it is even more ludicrous when you hold it against someone that they didn't win more at Rutgers in just 3 years when almost NO ONE would have been able to win at Rutgers in just 3 years.
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For me the issue is the decision-making approach on this board; we discuss what is in our past experience in terms of STJ current status (incremental or normative decision-making). People think we need another recruiter and experienced head coach on staff and Mike Rice is in the experience of most posters so we talk about him. I have a friend who is a renowned high school coach with expertise in coaching big men and match up zone. Why not him (who I will leave unnamed for now) or dozens of other folks who could do the job? Assistant Coach pays a lot better than High School anything if you're not in Texas.
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For me the issue is the decision-making approach on this board; we discuss what is in our past experience in terms of STJ current status (incremental or normative decision-making). People think we need another recruiter and experienced head coach on staff and Mike Rice is in the experience of most posters so we talk about him. I have a friend who is a renowned high school coach with expertise in coaching big men and match up zone. Why not him (who I will leave unnamed for now) or dozens of other folks who could do the job? Assistant Coach pays a lot better than High School anything if you're not in Texas.
You guys missed my point. Your unnamed friend I am sure would be an upgrade to this staff.
Mike rice would be great. Steve pikiel slam dunk hire. Year 4 of a complete rebuild still wishing for one of these guys is the issue. Furthermore as much as we could use an experienced coach, it will just get our team closer to even. Every good team has good coaches except us. Mike rice won’t put us over the top.
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You guys missed my point. Your unnamed friend I am sure would be an upgrade to this staff.
Mike rice would be great. Steve pikiel slam dunk hire. Year 4 of a complete rebuild still wishing for one of these guys is the issue. Furthermore as much as we could use an experienced coach, it will just get our team closer to even. Every good team has good coaches except us. Mike rice won’t put us over the top.
Maybe ewe shud send in your resoomay? Prubably Chris Mullins could youse the advise of a fifth grade teacher whom has trubble spelling too sillable wurds.
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Made his top 4 along with Kentucky, Oregon and Louisville.
Always a bridesmaid
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Made his top 4 along with Kentucky, Oregon and Louisville.
Always a bridesmaid
With the season we're about to have, I'm sure the staff is ready to go to war. Aidan is a Carnesecca regular, he was probably in the Jamaica stands 2-3x more than half of the Redmen/JJ board members last season.
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Made his top 4 along with Kentucky, Oregon and Louisville.
Always a bridesmaid
With the season we're about to have, I'm sure the staff is ready to go to war. Aidan is a Carnesecca regular, he was probably in the Jamaica stands 2-3x more than half of the Redmen/JJ board members last season.
Would love to get Iggy but how often he attended our games means nothing as numerous HS players over the years were regulars at our games and signed elsewhere. See for one Jamal Mashburn who spurned us for Kentucky.
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See for one Jamal Mashburn who spurned us for Kentucky.
Fresh Nixon administration take.
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Meyer and Slater crystal balled him to UK over the past 2 days. We were probably better off not making his top 4 so we could just move on already
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See for one Jamal Mashburn who spurned us for Kentucky.
Fresh Nixon administration take.
LOL actually played at UK as late as the Clinton administration. But see text after yours. History repeats itself.
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https://twitter.com/patlawless_/status/1035277550950510593?s=21
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Seems genuine. It sounds like Rice hiring would have impacted a Lewis decision, but not so in Igiehon. He was only with Rio for one AAU season.
Longshots for sure but maybe just maybe.
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The guy is a genuinely chill, good dude who loves this city. That's a large reason why we are in the mix still.
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Top-50 big man Aidan Igiehon posts on Instagram that Louisville’s Chris Mack made a trip to Ireland to see Igiehon’s mom.
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Top-50 big man Aidan Igiehon posts on Instagram that Louisville’s Chris Mack made a trip to Ireland to see Igiehon’s mom.
This is why we are not winning these recruiting battles. The HC are the closers. Where is Mullin? Maybe he's been out to Ireland a couple of times, but it doesn't appear he is interested in spending his time on the road recruiting.
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Top-50 big man Aidan Igiehon posts on Instagram that Louisville’s Chris Mack made a trip to Ireland to see Igiehon’s mom.
This is why we are not winning these recruiting battles. The HC are the closers. Where is Mullin? Maybe he's been out to Ireland a couple of times, but it doesn't appear he is interested in spending his time on the road recruiting.
I really don't think he's coming here so Mullin going to Ireland would be wasted money.
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Top-50 big man Aidan Igiehon posts on Instagram that Louisville’s Chris Mack made a trip to Ireland to see Igiehon’s mom.
This is why we are not winning these recruiting battles. The HC are the closers. Where is Mullin? Maybe he's been out to Ireland a couple of times, but it doesn't appear he is interested in spending his time on the road recruiting.
I really don't think he's coming here so Mullin going to Ireland would be wasted money.
Which makes my point. Mullin is the one who needs to develop relationships with these players. Right now they are selling the concept of playing and learning from HOF players, that alone will not be beat out top programs who have established a proven record of success. If he is not willing to get out and form these personal relationships with these players then we will always come up short.
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Top-50 big man Aidan Igiehon posts on Instagram that Louisville’s Chris Mack made a trip to Ireland to see Igiehon’s mom.
This is why we are not winning these recruiting battles. The HC are the closers. Where is Mullin? Maybe he's been out to Ireland a couple of times, but it doesn't appear he is interested in spending his time on the road recruiting.
I really don't think he's coming here so Mullin going to Ireland would be wasted money.
Team spending money to send a coach, but HC not being the guy who is going? Very typical of this Sh*t staff.
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Top-50 big man Aidan Igiehon posts on Instagram that Louisville’s Chris Mack made a trip to Ireland to see Igiehon’s mom.
This is why we are not winning these recruiting battles. The HC are the closers. Where is Mullin? Maybe he's been out to Ireland a couple of times, but it doesn't appear he is interested in spending his time on the road recruiting.
I really don't think he's coming here so Mullin going to Ireland would be wasted money.
Which makes my point. Mullin is the one who needs to develop relationships with these players. Right now they are selling the concept of playing and learning from HOF players, that alone will not be beat out top programs who have established a proven record of success. If he is not willing to get out and form these personal relationships with these players then we will always come up short.
Didn't Mullin promise to be in all these gyms when we hired him?
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https://mobile.twitter.com/NYPost_Brazille/status/1041750970261299200
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Mullin is the only part time Big East coach making 2 million a year.
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Top-50 big man Aidan Igiehon posts on Instagram that Louisville’s Chris Mack made a trip to Ireland to see Igiehon’s mom.
This is why we are not winning these recruiting battles. The HC are the closers. Where is Mullin? Maybe he's been out to Ireland a couple of times, but it doesn't appear he is interested in spending his time on the road recruiting.
I really don't think he's coming here so Mullin going to Ireland would be wasted money.
If that is the case then it seems sending anybody over is a waste of money. But if you are spending then you might as well send the boss. Bad job.
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https://twitter.com/RedStormFanatic/status/1043597998150889472
Actually really cool and creative move by Mullin. Kevin Durant has now done more recruiting for St. John's than Mitch Richmond
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https://twitter.com/RedStormFanatic/status/1043597998150889472
Actually really cool and creative move by Mullin. Kevin Durant has now done more recruiting for St. John's than Mitch Richmond
Yeah really cool of Mullin to skip out on a cancer fundraiser promoted by the basketball teams on the university's service day to hang out on the west coast and have kd facetime a kid that everyone seems to be convinced isn't coming here anyway.
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well rumors are that Mullin didn't set up the facetime.... it might have been Chris Mack at Louisville who was coaching at KD camp.
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https://twitter.com/RedStormFanatic/status/1043597998150889472
Actually really cool and creative move by Mullin. Kevin Durant has now done more recruiting for St. John's than Mitch Richmond
Yeah really cool of Mullin to skip out on a cancer fundraiser promoted by the basketball teams on the university's service day to hang out on the west coast and have kd facetime a kid that everyone seems to be convinced isn't coming here anyway.
If only Chris Mullins cared as much as you you do about cancer and HS prospects, we'd have recruited several four or five star recruits, several of them in remission.
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well rumors are that Mullin didn't set up the facetime.... it might have been Chris Mack at Louisville who was coaching at KD camp.
Saw that. Can only laugh
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https://twitter.com/RedStormFanatic/status/1043597998150889472
Actually really cool and creative move by Mullin. Kevin Durant has now done more recruiting for St. John's than Mitch Richmond
Yeah really cool of Mullin to skip out on a cancer fundraiser promoted by the basketball teams on the university's service day to hang out on the west coast and have kd facetime a kid that everyone seems to be convinced isn't coming here anyway.
If only Chris Mullins cared as much as you you do about cancer and HS prospects, we'd have recruited several four or five star recruits, several of them in remission.
My brothers a cancer survivor so yeah I do care about cancer and the dribble for a cure dick head.
Mullin better hope the new ad doesn't care as much about hs recruits as I do.
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St. John’s saw priority recruit Aidan Igiehon yesterday, as @jakeweingarten reported. Louisville in today. #sjubb
In addition, see Jake W's article w Aidan below where he applauds Mack, saying not a lot of HEAD coaches are willing to fly to Ireland to see his Mom, unreal:
http://louisvillesportslive.net/weingartens-recruiting-update-aidan-igiehon/
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St. John’s saw priority recruit Aidan Igiehon yesterday, as @jakeweingarten reported. Louisville in today. #sjubb
In addition, see Jake W's article w Aidan below where he applauds Mack, saying not a lot of HEAD coaches are willing to fly to Ireland to see his Mom, unreal:
http://louisvillesportslive.net/weingartens-recruiting-update-aidan-igiehon/
Like I said, the HC are the closers. If he goes to Louisville it's because Mullin lost him. This is a kid we could get.
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Official visit for Aidan Igiehon to St Johns this weekend has been postponed. A new date for the visit is still being confirmed. #sjubb
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https://twitter.com/jakeweingarten/status/1047979843219083265?s=21
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Not good
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Presuming that this week's meeting was a respectful thank you but goodbye?
Let's nab Dawes and settle for 1/3 (Bishop, Gaffney) this Fall.
Aidan has been rumored to Louisville for months. Idk why we haven't been prioritizing Kofi full time but I respect the staff's resolve and belief with their supremely elite targets until the bitter end. All while having a horrendous 3 year resume.
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As much as I am optimistic and excited for the upcoming season, This is getting embarrassing. They are striking out on basically every 2019 target they have had. Why on earth has another recruiter/coach been added to this staff? Matt can not do all the recruiting. Its obviously not working at all. It doesn't even have to be Mike Rice, but please get another recruiter in here. I understand winning will help but I still don't believe that to have a consistently successful program that you only have one true recruiter on your staff. In all honesty, I highly doubt precious or Kofi come here. Hope I'm wrong.
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As much as I am optimistic and excited for the upcoming season, This is getting embarrassing. They are striking out on basically every 2019 target they have had. Why on earth has another recruiter/coach been added to this staff? Matt can not do all the recruiting. Its obviously not working at all. It doesn't even have to be Mike Rice, but please get another recruiter in here. I understand winning will help but I still don't believe that to have a consistently successful program that you only have one true recruiter on your staff. In all honesty, I highly doubt precious or Kofi come here. Hope I'm wrong.
If anyone believes that winning will cure this mess they are fooling themselves. There are many programs that have a winning tradition. We are being out worked. Until that changes, we will always lose out on most of our top targets if their are better options. Outside of the perks that others may offer, its about building relationships. Mullin, Richmond, St. Jean operate to much like an NBA mentality. These are kids, play a damn game of Fornite with them for Christ sake and develop a relationship.
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As much as I am optimistic and excited for the upcoming season, This is getting embarrassing. They are striking out on basically every 2019 target they have had. Why on earth has another recruiter/coach been added to this staff? Matt can not do all the recruiting. Its obviously not working at all. It doesn't even have to be Mike Rice, but please get another recruiter in here. I understand winning will help but I still don't believe that to have a consistently successful program that you only have one true recruiter on your staff. In all honesty, I highly doubt precious or Kofi come here. Hope I'm wrong.
If anyone believes that winning will cure this mess they are fooling themselves. There are many programs that have a winning tradition. We are being out worked. Until that changes, we will always lose out on most of our top targets if their are better options. Outside of the perks that others may offer, its about building relationships. Mullin, Richmond, St. Jean operate to much like an NBA mentality. These are kids, play a damn game of Fornite with them for Christ sake and develop a relationship.
How many programs with a winning tradition don't recruit well? Conversely, how many programs that have not had sustained success consistently recruit at a high level?
Nobody thinks the staff is optimally set up to recruit, and criticism of Mullin and Mitch is fair. But there is no reason to suggest that winning and staying nationally relevant year in and year out are not positives for recruiting.
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As much as I am optimistic and excited for the upcoming season, This is getting embarrassing. They are striking out on basically every 2019 target they have had. Why on earth has another recruiter/coach been added to this staff? Matt can not do all the recruiting. Its obviously not working at all. It doesn't even have to be Mike Rice, but please get another recruiter in here. I understand winning will help but I still don't believe that to have a consistently successful program that you only have one true recruiter on your staff. In all honesty, I highly doubt precious or Kofi come here. Hope I'm wrong.
If anyone believes that winning will cure this mess they are fooling themselves. There are many programs that have a winning tradition. We are being out worked. Until that changes, we will always lose out on most of our top targets if their are better options. Outside of the perks that others may offer, its about building relationships. Mullin, Richmond, St. Jean operate to much like an NBA mentality. These are kids, play a damn game of Fornite with them for Christ sake and develop a relationship.
How many programs with a winning tradition don't recruit well? Conversely, how many programs that have not had sustained success consistently recruit at a high level?
Nobody thinks the staff is optimally set up to recruit, and criticism of Mullin and Mitch is fair. But there is no reason to suggest that winning and staying nationally relevant year in and year out are not positives for recruiting.
I'm not suggesting winning isn't a positive for recruiting. Having two HOF players on the staff is also "positive" for recruiting. I believe its important to make the distinction between theory and practical application. Although Matt has done a tremendous job, mostly due to the transfer market, it's hard for me to see that he will be able to sustain it relying solely on the transfer market.
As you have stated, there are many programs that consistently recruit at a high level without having sustained success, which is the point I was trying to tell posters to be mindful of, it's not our win lose record alone that would cure our recruiting woes.
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Although Matt has done a tremendous job, mostly due to the transfer market, it's hard for me to see that he will be able to sustain it relying solely on the transfer market.
This is often said. Why? Many players transfer. Some of them are good. Free agency regularly effects major league rosters. Why is a similar philosophy a negative in college BB, where underclassmen - outside rarefied programs - are rarely program changers.
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Although Matt has done a tremendous job, mostly due to the transfer market, it's hard for me to see that he will be able to sustain it relying solely on the transfer market.
This is often said. Why? Many players transfer. Some of them are good. Free agency regularly effects major league rosters. Why is a similar philosophy a negative in college BB, where underclassmen - outside rarefied programs - are rarely program changers.
I totally agree with you Foad, as this is becoming a big trend in college basketball. Transfers are huge and have greatly impacted many programs including ours. But don't you also think that they do have to win out on some of these incoming freshman that they have been in on? Its not alarming to you that they essentially have been in on a lot of these 2019 guys and in their final 4 or 5 teams, and essentially have not gotten anyone?
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I totally agree with you Foad, as this is becoming a big trend in college basketball. Transfers are huge and have greatly impacted many programs including ours. But don't you also think that they do have to win out on some of these incoming freshman that they have been in on? Its not alarming to you that they essentially have been in on a lot of these 2019 guys and in their final 4 or 5 teams, and essentially have not gotten anyone?
Obviously it's disappointing that they've not been able to land a big fish HS player, other than Ponds - pun acknowledged but not intended - who's one of the better players SJU has had in my lifetime. Which, that is, one legacy player in three years. Obviously it would be marvelous if they landed another GOAT, although I couldn't name a HS player who has that potential to be GOAT, because IDGAF about recruiting. OTOH it's not surprising to me that prize recruits don't come to a program that's been vaguely relevant for 50 years - despite the presence of Mullin and Richmond - and has shit facilities an the worst fanbase in all of sports - because prize recruits have a lot of choices - and I'm always surprised when anyone does commit. But on the third hand the roster as it stands has three NBA players and is potentially as good (at least on paper) as any roster since the elite eight team.
I'd be delighted if Mullin were able to buck the trend of prize NYC recruits going elsewhere, a trend that goes back to Frank Mcguire. I don'r see that happening, and by that I mean building a perennial national championship contender relying solely on NYC prospects who resist the idea of playing college BB in NYC. My question was: who cares how the roster was constructed if the roster as constructed is successful? And why is the way the roster is constructed unsustainable, considering the state of college BB today? It's disingenuous to complain about he mom and pop aspect of the program and then to complain that the current regime is transforming the paradigm that made the mom and pop administration successful. No?
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I totally agree with you Foad, as this is becoming a big trend in college basketball. Transfers are huge and have greatly impacted many programs including ours. But don't you also think that they do have to win out on some of these incoming freshman that they have been in on? Its not alarming to you that they essentially have been in on a lot of these 2019 guys and in their final 4 or 5 teams, and essentially have not gotten anyone?
Obviously it's disappointing that they've not been able to land a big fish HS player, other than Ponds - pun acknowledged but not intended - who's one of the better players SJU has had in my lifetime. Which, that is, one legacy player in three years. Obviously it would be marvelous if they landed another GOAT, although I couldn't name a HS player who has that potential to be GOAT, because IDGAF about recruiting. OTOH it's not surprising to me that prize recruits don't come to a program that's been vaguely relevant for 50 years - despite the presence of Mullin and Richmond - and has shit facilities an the worst fanbase in all of sports - because prize recruits have a lot of choices - and I'm always surprised when anyone does commit. But on the third hand the roster as it stands has three NBA players and is potentially as good (at least on paper) as any roster since the elite eight team.
I'd be delighted if Mullin were able to buck the trend of prize NYC recruits going elsewhere, a trend that goes back to Frank Mcguire. I don'r see that happening, and by that I mean building a perennial national championship contender relying solely on NYC prospects who resist the idea of playing college BB in NYC. My question was: who cares how the roster was constructed if the roster as constructed is successful? And why is the way the roster is constructed unsustainable, considering the state of college BB today? It's disingenuous to complain about he mom and pop aspect of the program and then to complain that the current regime is transforming the paradigm that made the mom and pop administration successful. No?
I actually totally agree with you. I coach at the high school level at a long island Catholic school and we play some city teams in our non league schedule like Molloy and I always ask their coaches why not St. John's for their top talent which was cole anthony, moses brown, and khalid moore, and their coach said that St. John's has really crappy facilities, and that most of these kids want to go away to school. But i also agree, you are right if the transfer game keeps working why not continue to do it with this state of college basketball nowadays.
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I totally agree with you Foad, as this is becoming a big trend in college basketball. Transfers are huge and have greatly impacted many programs including ours. But don't you also think that they do have to win out on some of these incoming freshman that they have been in on? Its not alarming to you that they essentially have been in on a lot of these 2019 guys and in their final 4 or 5 teams, and essentially have not gotten anyone?
Obviously it's disappointing that they've not been able to land a big fish HS player, other than Ponds - pun acknowledged but not intended - who's one of the better players SJU has had in my lifetime. Which, that is, one legacy player in three years. Obviously it would be marvelous if they landed another GOAT, although I couldn't name a HS player who has that potential to be GOAT, because IDGAF about recruiting. OTOH it's not surprising to me that prize recruits don't come to a program that's been vaguely relevant for 50 years - despite the presence of Mullin and Richmond - and has shit facilities an the worst fanbase in all of sports - because prize recruits have a lot of choices - and I'm always surprised when anyone does commit. But on the third hand the roster as it stands has three NBA players and is potentially as good (at least on paper) as any roster since the elite eight team.
I'd be delighted if Mullin were able to buck the trend of prize NYC recruits going elsewhere, a trend that goes back to Frank Mcguire. I don'r see that happening, and by that I mean building a perennial national championship contender relying solely on NYC prospects who resist the idea of playing college BB in NYC. My question was: who cares how the roster was constructed if the roster as constructed is successful? And why is the way the roster is constructed unsustainable, considering the state of college BB today? It's disingenuous to complain about he mom and pop aspect of the program and then to complain that the current regime is transforming the paradigm that made the mom and pop administration successful. No?
I actually totally agree with you. I coach at the high school level at a long island Catholic school and we play some city teams in our non league schedule like Molloy and I always ask their coaches why not St. John's for their top talent which was cole anthony, moses brown, and khalid moore, and their coach said that St. John's has really crappy facilities, and that most of these kids want to go away to school. But i also agree, you are right if the transfer game keeps working why not continue to do it with this state of college basketball nowadays.
I don’t care how they field a team, I’m just under the belief that they can’t sustain it relying on transfers alone. I could be wrong, the land scape of college basketball appears to be changing in that regard. Tafner isn’t even 20 years old and it’s crappy? MSG is crappy? We do need to improve but too much focus on what we don’t have and not what we do. We need salesman as recruiters, not HOF players.
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I don’t care how they field a team, I’m just under the belief that they can’t sustain it relying on transfers alone. I could be wrong, the land scape of college basketball appears to be changing in that regard. Tafner isn’t even 20 years old and it’s crappy? MSG is crappy? We do need to improve but too much focus on what we don’t have and not what we do. We need salesman as recruiters, not HOF players.
"[The private basketball player's dorm at Kansas] has a half-court basketball facility, a media room, game room, barbershop, and much more."
"Back in 2012, the University of Kentucky built a specialized dorm for its basketball players as well. Kentucky’s special dorm includes a private chef, flat-screen televisions, and are specifically designed for seven-footers."
"A majority of Ohio State’s freshmen and sophomore football and basketball players, who have elected not to live off campus, live in the Worthington Building or the Residence on 10th ... The Residence on 10th, completed last year, is $37 million, 186,000-square foot building of lavishness. It could be converted into a Four Seasons with minimal renovations. The six-story building has six-person suites with three bedrooms, a living room and individual bathrooms."
And Louisville has hookers.
So yeah, Taffner doesn't quite measure up.
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I don’t care how they field a team, I’m just under the belief that they can’t sustain it relying on transfers alone. I could be wrong, the land scape of college basketball appears to be changing in that regard. Tafner isn’t even 20 years old and it’s crappy? MSG is crappy? We do need to improve but too much focus on what we don’t have and not what we do. We need salesman as recruiters, not HOF players.
"[The private basketball player's dorm at Kansas] has a half-court basketball facility, a media room, game room, barbershop, and much more."
"Back in 2012, the University of Kentucky built a specialized dorm for its basketball players as well. Kentucky’s special dorm includes a private chef, flat-screen televisions, and are specifically designed for seven-footers."
"A majority of Ohio State’s freshmen and sophomore football and basketball players, who have elected not to live off campus, live in the Worthington Building or the Residence on 10th ... The Residence on 10th, completed last year, is $37 million, 186,000-square foot building of lavishness. It could be converted into a Four Seasons with minimal renovations. The six-story building has six-person suites with three bedrooms, a living room and individual bathrooms."
And Louisville has hookers.
So yeah, Taffner doesn't quite measure up.
Wow, yeah, why would anyone want to come here when other schools are offering those facilities and accommodations.
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I don’t care how they field a team, I’m just under the belief that they can’t sustain it relying on transfers alone. I could be wrong, the land scape of college basketball appears to be changing in that regard. Tafner isn’t even 20 years old and it’s crappy? MSG is crappy? We do need to improve but too much focus on what we don’t have and not what we do. We need salesman as recruiters, not HOF players.
"[The private basketball player's dorm at Kansas] has a half-court basketball facility, a media room, game room, barbershop, and much more."
"Back in 2012, the University of Kentucky built a specialized dorm for its basketball players as well. Kentucky’s special dorm includes a private chef, flat-screen televisions, and are specifically designed for seven-footers."
"A majority of Ohio State’s freshmen and sophomore football and basketball players, who have elected not to live off campus, live in the Worthington Building or the Residence on 10th ... The Residence on 10th, completed last year, is $37 million, 186,000-square foot building of lavishness. It could be converted into a Four Seasons with minimal renovations. The six-story building has six-person suites with three bedrooms, a living room and individual bathrooms."
And Louisville has hookers.
So yeah, Taffner doesn't quite measure up.
Wow, yeah, why would anyone want to come here when other schools are offering those facilities and accommodations.
Seriously? It happens all the time. Not every program has those luxuries and not every kid need those perks. It’s about building relationships and selling what you have to offer, identifying talent and coaching them. We are good enough to be a perineal top 50 program. This is the most talent we have had collectively in some time. Looking forward to the season. Facilities most certainly would help, but it’s no excuse imo, historically we have shown that we can bring talent here.
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We are good enough to be a perineal top 50 program.
Taint.
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Announcing Friday
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Per Paultz we're done for the 2019 Fall Recruiting Cycle. Not to be a downer, but after days of positive press, our anemic performance with each one of our 2019 targets to show its face:
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“🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️” I guess it now comes down to making a choice. Decision day this Friday 12:00 at Lawrence Woodmere Academy. 🤭🤭
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Only hope w Aidan is Louisville gets put on probation post trial Although highly unlikely, under these circumstances he could fall to sju.
In my opinion he is very athletic but raw. Not a one an done
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No “only hope” on this one. :)
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No “only hope” on this one. :)
So no shot on this one Paultz?
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Only hope w Aidan is Louisville gets put on probation post trial Although highly unlikely, under these circumstances he could fall to sju.
In my opinion he is very athletic but raw. Not a one an done
One of the reasons I hope we land him.
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No “only hope” on this one. :)
So no shot on this one Paultz?
No, cancelling his official visit was telling
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He just chose Louisville as expected
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let the complaining begin
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As a fan it’s disappointing but for the amount of time the staff (Matt) put into these players we whiffed on the last few months has to be frustrating. Years of work on these guys. Hopefully with a winning season and some good exposure things turn around. Kids want to win
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As a fan it’s disappointing but for the amount of time the staff (Matt) put into these players we whiffed on the last few months has to be frustrating. Years of work on these guys. Hopefully with a winning season and some good exposure things turn around. Kids want to win
While getting paid is even better.
Lavin had the right idea...screw the local talent, focus on out of state kids.
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I guess we’ll wait until one of these big time recruits wants to transfer to come back home...
Many have already said it...team needs to start winning and the recruits will come.
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Any rumblings where this kid is leaning. I have heard SJU is involved but not heard much else