6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: thetruth8734 on March 29, 2017, 02:01:44 PM
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Darien Williams and Malik Ellison are transferring from @StJohnsBBall , per the school
Damn.... was this expected? I figured one of the guards had to be transferring with Simon coming in, but losing Darien seems like a real blow to an already thin front court.
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Making room
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Making room
Yup..
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Interesting that those who claim to be insiders on this site had no rumblings on this but we were focused on Lovett.
Won't miss either. Ellison was developing but I never saw him becoming a great player. Williams was fine but never played so what good is a fine player if the coach wont put him out there.
Hopefully this was the cause of more coming in that hasn't been announced yet.
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Malik will end up at Louisville and become a productive player for Pitino.
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God Bless Darien, he gave everything he had with his injuries.
Malik is a numbers game. He is going to get squeezed with both Simon eligible and with perhaps a grad transfer coming in. Plus 2018-19 is not looking better for him since SJU is going hard after guards for the 2018 class.
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Good luck to both.
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Ellison make sense to me. When I though about who may go it always him that made the most sense. His playing time is going decrease and he really wasn't very good this past season. Darien surprises me, really like what he gave us. His minutes with Clark and maybe a grad transfer woould have probably been limited also. I dont think either of these guys were thrilled to leave, was about playing time.
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They are getting over recruited ...and rightfully so...Wish it was ali instead of williams though. Would be a real problem if Ellison was seeing big minutes next year with our guards.
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It's a shame to lose these guys. I had expected to hear that Amar and Mussini would be leaving, but no. Interesting.
More disappointed over losing Ellison, although he struggled often, he certainly had some impressive moments, too. Williams really helped in some games, but he wasn't healthy enough to play real minutes. Still, he was far better than Amar. So this isn't leaving me with happy thoughts either. We'll see who replaces them.
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big fan of DW, he gave it all on the court. Hell of a role player. He'll do well somewhere. Malik developed but was too inconsistent. Curious who we will be bringing in
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http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/032917aaa.html
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Wish it was Moose and Amar instead of these two. Both are replaceable however, Malik's mental lapses, inconsistencies surpassed any excitement over his potential. Very likely wasn't going to explode and put it all together over the next two years. I sure hope we do have some brute strength to replace Darien though bc we are as thin as you can get in the frontcourt at this hour.
If this is it for the transfers, it's a sigh of relief. Let the good news roll in.
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Hoping that Ellison transferring is confirmation that Lovett will be back. Hoping we bring in two grad transfers and either a freshman or a sit out transfer now
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Per Zach B
Malik Ellison was a playing time issue I'm told. All signs point to Marcus LoVett Jr. returning per source #sjubb
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Hoping that Ellison transferring is confirmation that Lovett will be back. Hoping we bring in two grad transfers and either a freshman or a sit out transfer now
+1
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I would rather have Mussini then Ellison for next season. Mussini as the 4th guard is a great look for him. He can let the other 3 gaurds handle the ball and he can snipe from 3. I think he is going to have a very nice season next year and shoot the 3 near 45%.
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Per Zach B
Malik Ellison was a playing time issue I'm told. All signs point to Marcus LoVett Jr. returning per source #sjubb
And Simon being pretty good
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I don't think any big losses here. Williams helped usninside with depth though. Ellison was certainly developing but If we bring Lovett, Ponds and Mussini back, Simon seems the obvious guy to take much of those minutes. I think we should hopefully do well in the transfer market and make some big gains on the recruiting trail for 18'. Overall nothing earth shattering. Losing Lovett is/was the one I was worried about.
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I don't think any big losses here. Williams helped usninside with depth though. Ellison was certainly developing but If we bring Lovett, Ponds and Mussini back, Simon seems the obvious guy to take much of those minutes. I think we should hopefully do well in the transfer market and make some big gains on the recruiting trail for 18'. Overall nothing earth shattering. Losing Lovett is/was the one I was worried about.
Losing upperclassmen who have been in the program for several years is almost always a loss. It's especially a loss in a program like this one where there's been little continuity this century. That said, if you had to lose any of the guards Ellison is the best one to lose. He will do well at at a lesser school like Iona.
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Good luck to both.
Figured either Ellison or Mussini would be gone.
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Interesting that those who claim to be insiders on this site had no rumblings on this but we were focused on Lovett.
Won't miss either. Ellison was developing but I never saw him becoming a great player. Williams was fine but never played so what good is a fine player if the coach wont put him out there.
Hopefully this was the cause of more coming in that hasn't been announced yet.
Awful post.
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I think Ellison's play down the stretch dug his grave. Needed to show some mental fortitude and didn't. Still think he has the physical tools to be a player and wish him all the best.
Darien living the college rock star dream and heading to another school. Wish him the best of luck too.
Both guys could have played a role next year but this should open the doors to better talent.
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Main thing is that our legit D1 talent is staying in place. Not we add better pieces hopefully.
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Our two departees were division I talent as much as St John's is a division I school. I hope it's not pie in the sky that Darien and Malik will be replaced by better players. Face it, graduate replacements are screaming at you that they're not NBA material. Nothing wrong with that, but it's time for a reality check.
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I know I trashed Ellison as much as anyone, but this still doesn't feel good. His potential is clearly there...there is just some disconnect. I am just glad it wasn't Mussini, who seems like a much better complement to Simon and a more willing energy guy off the bench. If Lovett is back,
Ellison is expendable.
Williams actually hurts a bit. He's been with the program two years and has two years of eligibility left. His upside is way higher than AA's. Odd timing. He was the only guy who could
muscle up in the paint. At some point we need to start holding onto our rising upperclassmen.
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(98% of the guys playing D1 basketball are not NBA material)
Thought that both Williams and Ellison were good teammates and represented SJ well. I wish them both luck. Their leaving gives us the opportunity to sign 3 talented players, including a grad student big man. We need to get bigger and we need to get older. (Nine of the teams that made the Sweet 16 this year have rosters that are older than the roster of the Phoenix Suns!)
We tried to compete this year with 18 and 19 year old kids, and that's just not going to work.
Think that Ellison will clearly benefit with a redshirt year. Wish he had taken it here, but you don't see guys do that two years in. Yakwe would have benefitted from a redshirt year himself, but we were so thin we had to throw the kid to the wolves straight out of high school. He will benefit from playing alongside Clark and a legitimate big next year, and Mussini will slide into the role of a specialist zone-breaking catch-and-shoot guy. Freudenberg also would have benefitted from redshirting last year.
Hate to see guys leave, but getting better players in their place will make us better faster. With a grad transfer big and all our existing pieces returning, we make a run to the NCAA's next year.
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I will miss DWill, even though he was made of glass.
I will not miss Malik at all, but good luck to him and I hope he becomes great wherever he goes.
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I was hoping to see Malik become the great player I thought he could be here. I wish him the best. He's got three years to figure it out.
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Malik has potential but he would be 5th guard, reserve SF next year. Simon takes his spot and Mussini would play ahead of him for instant 3 offense (hopefully) Williams will be missed as he gave some strength and scoring inside, still only a 12-15 guy. Neither should be missed appreciably.
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All the best to DWill, he always gave his best effort, with good enthusiasm. Hit some nice jumpers, got some good rebounds/blocks.
Ellison was too frustrating. He is better in a new environment and so are we.
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And what of Amar Alibegovic? If Ellison and Williams see the writing on the wall, why is Alibegovic still scheduled to be a BE player? As it stands now, he's worse than any other player in the conference. He should transfer to a Northeast conference school sit out a year and get a grad degree.
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And what of Amar Alibegovic? If Ellison and Williams see the writing on the wall, why is Alibegovic still scheduled to be a BE player? As it stands now, he's worse than any other player in the conference. He should transfer to a Northeast conference school sit out a year and get a grad degree.
LOL! Ironically, he was one of the few on the team with NCAA tournament experience. He and Muss are probably having a great time, why leave?
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And what of Amar Alibegovic? If Ellison and Williams see the writing on the wall, why is Alibegovic still scheduled to be a BE player? As it stands now, he's worse than any other player in the conference. He should transfer to a Northeast conference school sit out a year and get a grad degree.
Maybe start a separate thread about what happens to the twelfth man on the roster. He deserves it.
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And what of Amar Alibegovic? If Ellison and Williams see the writing on the wall, why is Alibegovic still scheduled to be a BE player? As it stands now, he's worse than any other player in the conference. He should transfer to a Northeast conference school sit out a year and get a grad degree.
LOL! Ironically, he was one of the few on the team with NCAA tournament experience. He and Muss are probably having a great time, why leave?
Because it would be the right thing to do. He's not able to compete at this level. I don't think a senior year is going to all of the sudden create talent that wasn't there. Mussini may stick around, although I'd understand and be totally fine with him transferring to Wagner.
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Zach says we have 4 open ships. Who else is leaving?
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Zach says we have 4 open ships. Who else is leaving?
2 from losing Ellison and Williams
and 2 from losing Sima and Zach Brown?
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Always something at SJU
Might as well change our mascot to a revolving door
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10 filled 3 open
Lovett
Mussini
Simon
Ponds
Ahmed
Freudenberg
Alibegovic
Yakwe
Clark Jr.
Owens
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10 filled 3 open
Lovett
Mussini
Simon
Ponds
Ahmed
Freudenberg
Alibegovic
Yakwe
Clark Jr.
Owens
It's probably not over
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10 filled 3 open
Lovett
Mussini
Simon
Ponds
Ahmed
Freudenberg
Alibegovic
Yakwe
Clark Jr.
Owens
It's probably not over
Need a big
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10 filled 3 open
Lovett
Mussini
Simon
Ponds
Ahmed
Freudenberg
Alibegovic
Yakwe
Clark Jr.
Owens
It's probably not over
Need a big
I agree. We need a big, and then also a couple of bigs.
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We need two bigs now. I think one more will leave, but I'm hoping not. Having a kid like Owens during these times really shows the kind of kid we should be recruiting here and building around. He's happy as can be, works his ass off, and you can count on him to be here until his eligibility is up.
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I wish Ellison would have redshirted next year.
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Amar should be next.
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Amar should be next.
I truly like the kid, but this is and was the right move for him before he returned to STJ. This level is clearly too much for him.
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Yea Amar will soon be next. I thought he would have been first
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Yea Amar will soon be next. I thought he would have been first
Whoever convinced him to stay owes him an apology.
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Is there any word on who the additional Assistant Coach will be?
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Really hoping that when all is said and done that one of the new players is a freshman.
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Really hoping that when all is said and done that one of the new players is a freshman.
Completely agree. Can't count on this grad transfer thing to be our only source of experience. For better or worse, this impressive freshman class that Mullin and company quickly assembled is all but gone. Only Yakwe and Mussini remain. There is very little continuity.
I certainly wouldn't mind a senior. Particularly a senior leader. But it probably will come back to bite us if we have no freshman in this class.
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defintely need one grad transfer who is a bruiser. I really like Kamreon Rooks. Also i think Evan sfrom Rice should be a priority as a sit out transfer and maybe another big to sit out ( Enoch?)
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Id be happy getting someone like Simon. Really the equivilant of a FR. Sits out a year, gains exp. and has 3 years of eligibility left, w experience.
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Yea Amar will soon be next. I thought he would have been first
Can't see RF having any position on this team. He already wasted 1 year sitting on the bench and I can't see him getting any minutes next year. He needs to either transfer or sit out.
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Yea Amar will soon be next. I thought he would have been first
Can't see RF having any position on this team. He already wasted 1 year sitting on the bench and I can't see him getting any minutes next year. He needs to either transfer or sit out.
Please name me the 12th-13th player on any roster in the Big East. Hopefully he works on his game and hits the wright room and becomes productive as a Junior/Senior. That's what most teams do.
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The one and done's in some programs go right to the NBA. Our one and done's head for the MAAC's of the world. Our legendary recruiter is aiming too low. How about going after McD AA's. What's the story with Bomba? He's a seven foot force from Harlem. He's undecided. Maybe we need slice back.
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Maybe we need Slice back? Why? Because of all the Mickey D's that Slice got us while he was here?
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The one and done's in some programs go right to the NBA. Our one and done's head for the MAAC's of the world. Our legendary recruiter is aiming too low. How about going after McD AA's. What's the story with Bomba? He's a seven foot force from Harlem. He's undecided. Maybe we need slice back.
Bamba is blue blood bound. Waiting to see who declares for draft before committing. Smart.
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Really hoping that when all is said and done that one of the new players is a freshman.
I agree that it is good to have some freshman. Gives more balance.
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The one and done's in some programs go right to the NBA. Our one and done's head for the MAAC's of the world. Our legendary recruiter is aiming too low. How about going after McD AA's. What's the story with Bomba? He's a seven foot force from Harlem. He's undecided. Maybe we need slice back.
Bamba is blue blood bound. Waiting to see who declares for draft before committing. Smart.
I thought he might be waiting to see if Darien Williams was transferring. Oh well
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Yea Amar will soon be next. I thought he would have been first
Can't see RF having any position on this team. He already wasted 1 year sitting on the bench and I can't see him getting any minutes next year. He needs to either transfer or sit out.
Please name me the 12th-13th player on any roster in the Big East. Hopefully he works on his game and hits the wright room and becomes productive as a Junior/Senior. That's what most teams do.
Amar >> the the German . I would rather keep him. He played some decent minutes in March . As long as he is not shooting 3's he can serve a purpose. Plus he is a senior. The other guy has to work really hard just to be as bad as Amar currently is.
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Yea Amar will soon be next. I thought he would have been first
He will be back, just like Michael Meyers. In fact would be cool if he came back wearing a mask.
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Yea Amar will soon be next. I thought he would have been first
Can't see RF having any position on this team. He already wasted 1 year sitting on the bench and I can't see him getting any minutes next year. He needs to either transfer or sit out.
Please name me the 12th-13th player on any roster in the Big East. Hopefully he works on his game and hits the wright room and becomes productive as a Junior/Senior. That's what most teams do.
Amar >> the the German . I would rather keep him. He played some decent minutes in March . As long as he is not shooting 3's he can serve a purpose. Plus he is a senior. The other guy has to work really hard just to be as bad as Amar currently is.
You're nuts. I like what Amar can offer to the team, but it isn't skill, its a guy who is willing to get physical. RF is a 6'9" shooter that moves well. He may never be good, but the potential is there.
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Yea Amar will soon be next. I thought he would have been first
Can't see RF having any position on this team. He already wasted 1 year sitting on the bench and I can't see him getting any minutes next year. He needs to either transfer or sit out.
Please name me the 12th-13th player on any roster in the Big East. Hopefully he works on his game and hits the wright room and becomes productive as a Junior/Senior. That's what most teams do.
Easy for you to say. Maybe the kid actually wants to play the game as opposed to sitting on the bench. Thing is I can't see him getting many more minutes then he had this year ie. virtually none. So does the kid give away half his college career or does he do something about it now. Besides Mullin wants his number back.
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Anyone feel anything about Sengfelder from Fordham as a transfer. Think he could be good as a grad transfer
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Anyone feel anything about Sengfelder from Fordham as a transfer. Think he could be good as a grad transfer
Actually like this kid-poor mans Billy Schaeffer. Not sure he fits our needs thou but if miss out on targeted better fits wouldn't mind.
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Anyone feel anything about Sengfelder from Fordham as a transfer. Think he could be good as a grad transfer
He has some skill, and in a half court set he's very good. But he's not capable of being the inside presence that we need. We need a guy that can defend that big on Creighton and then whoever Nova throws at us. We do not need a center who thinks he should be shooting three pointers.
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Yea Amar will soon be next. I thought he would have been first
Can't see RF having any position on this team. He already wasted 1 year sitting on the bench and I can't see him getting any minutes next year. He needs to either transfer or sit out.
Please name me the 12th-13th player on any roster in the Big East. Hopefully he works on his game and hits the wright room and becomes productive as a Junior/Senior. That's what most teams do.
Amar >> the the German . I would rather keep him. He played some decent minutes in March . As long as he is not shooting 3's he can serve a purpose. Plus he is a senior. The other guy has to work really hard just to be as bad as Amar currently is.
You are going to look foolish for this. It's so shortsighted. The kid is pushing 6'10 (and long) and is very young for his class. Very few kids that big come in ready to contribute and he had to do it while adjusting to the speed and physicality of the American game. He moves extremely well, he passes the ball like a guard, and his shot looks good, albeit rushed at times in his small gunner role this year. He desperately needs 15 lbs of muscle so he can set screens, separate on offense, finish around the basket, and defend the four. He's going to be a problem for other teams in the pick and roll and pick and pop...you can see that already.
This isn't like Amar where the the ceiling is 10-15 mpg 8th man. He's not uncoordinated or unathletic. This kid has legitimate NBA potential. I don't understand the negativity towards him. The German kid from Michigan played 8 mpg last year and he's a first round pick this year. Put him on a 5,000 calorie a day diet and get his read in the weight room.
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Yea Amar will soon be next. I thought he would have been first
Can't see RF having any position on this team. He already wasted 1 year sitting on the bench and I can't see him getting any minutes next year. He needs to either transfer or sit out.
Please name me the 12th-13th player on any roster in the Big East. Hopefully he works on his game and hits the wright room and becomes productive as a Junior/Senior. That's what most teams do.
Amar >> the the German . I would rather keep him. He played some decent minutes in March . As long as he is not shooting 3's he can serve a purpose. Plus he is a senior. The other guy has to work really hard just to be as bad as Amar currently is.
You are going to look foolish for this. It's so shortsighted. The kid is pushing 6'10 (and long) and is very young for his class. Very few kids that big come in ready to contribute and he had to do it while adjusting to the speed and physicality of the American game. He moves extremely well, he passes the ball like a guard, and his shot looks good, albeit rushed at times in his small gunner role this year. He desperately needs 15 lbs of muscle so he can set screens, separate on offense, finish around the basket, and defend the four. He's going to be a problem for other teams in the pick and roll and pick and pop...you can see that already.
This isn't like Amar where the the ceiling is 10-15 mpg 8th man. He's not uncoordinated or unathletic. This kid has legitimate NBA potential. I don't understand the negativity towards him. The German kid from Michigan played 8 mpg last year and he's a first round pick this year. Put him on a 5,000 calorie a day diet and get his read in the weight room.
If you don't average 20 ppg as a freshman you can't play. You've been around the block enough times to know thats how it works around here
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Yea Amar will soon be next. I thought he would have been first
Can't see RF having any position on this team. He already wasted 1 year sitting on the bench and I can't see him getting any minutes next year. He needs to either transfer or sit out.
Please name me the 12th-13th player on any roster in the Big East. Hopefully he works on his game and hits the wright room and becomes productive as a Junior/Senior. That's what most teams do.
Amar >> the the German . I would rather keep him. He played some decent minutes in March . As long as he is not shooting 3's he can serve a purpose. Plus he is a senior. The other guy has to work really hard just to be as bad as Amar currently is.
You are going to look foolish for this. It's so shortsighted. The kid is pushing 6'10 (and long) and is very young for his class. Very few kids that big come in ready to contribute and he had to do it while adjusting to the speed and physicality of the American game. He moves extremely well, he passes the ball like a guard, and his shot looks good, albeit rushed at times in his small gunner role this year. He desperately needs 15 lbs of muscle so he can set screens, separate on offense, finish around the basket, and defend the four. He's going to be a problem for other teams in the pick and roll and pick and pop...you can see that already.
This isn't like Amar where the the ceiling is 10-15 mpg 8th man. He's not uncoordinated or unathletic. This kid has legitimate NBA potential. I don't understand the negativity towards him. The German kid from Michigan played 8 mpg last year and he's a first round pick this year. Put him on a 5,000 calorie a day diet and get his read in the weight room.
If you don't average 20 ppg as a freshman you can't play. You've been around the block enough times to know thats how it works around here
And if you score double digits then you must leave for the NBA.
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The people saying Amar is better than Freud are absolutely mental.
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Yea Amar will soon be next. I thought he would have been first
Can't see RF having any position on this team. He already wasted 1 year sitting on the bench and I can't see him getting any minutes next year. He needs to either transfer or sit out.
Please name me the 12th-13th player on any roster in the Big East. Hopefully he works on his game and hits the wright room and becomes productive as a Junior/Senior. That's what most teams do.
Amar >> the the German . I would rather keep him. He played some decent minutes in March . As long as he is not shooting 3's he can serve a purpose. Plus he is a senior. The other guy has to work really hard just to be as bad as Amar currently is.
You are going to look foolish for this. It's so shortsighted. The kid is pushing 6'10 (and long) and is very young for his class. Very few kids that big come in ready to contribute and he had to do it while adjusting to the speed and physicality of the American game. He moves extremely well, he passes the ball like a guard, and his shot looks good, albeit rushed at times in his small gunner role this year. He desperately needs 15 lbs of muscle so he can set screens, separate on offense, finish around the basket, and defend the four. He's going to be a problem for other teams in the pick and roll and pick and pop...you can see that already.
This isn't like Amar where the the ceiling is 10-15 mpg 8th man. He's not uncoordinated or unathletic. This kid has legitimate NBA potential. I don't understand the negativity towards him. The German kid from Michigan played 8 mpg last year and he's a first round pick this year. Put him on a 5,000 calorie a day diet and get his read in the weight room.
The problem w Freud is , as good as his shot looked, it didn't go in the basket. Very poor shooting stats. Maybe his confidence was shot, we will see. The fact is ,poor freshman year. Hopefully as he matures and gains exp. he will improve. Re, Amar, not that I expect that much, he is 6 9 240 lbs.
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Yea Amar will soon be next. I thought he would have been first
Can't see RF having any position on this team. He already wasted 1 year sitting on the bench and I can't see him getting any minutes next year. He needs to either transfer or sit out.
Please name me the 12th-13th player on any roster in the Big East. Hopefully he works on his game and hits the wright room and becomes productive as a Junior/Senior. That's what most teams do.
Easy for you to say. Maybe the kid actually wants to play the game as opposed to sitting on the bench. Thing is I can't see him getting many more minutes then he had this year ie. virtually none. So does the kid give away half his college career or does he do something about it now. Besides Mullin wants his number back.
Maybe he enjoys campus life, NYC. Maybe he is banging a cute little blonde. Maybe he is willing to be a role player.
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The people saying Amar is better than Freud are absolutely mental.
Well not that I'm personally advocating this but based on playing time I think the coaching staff did.
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The people saying Amar is better than Freud are absolutely mental.
Well not that I'm personally advocating this but based on playing time I think the coaching staff did.
It's fair to say that Amar was better this past season than Freud was. But somebody saying they'd rather keep Amar than Freud moving forward is just idiotic. Amar has one year left and if he's getting any minutes next year we'll be having the CBI debate again next year. RF may not play much next year either (I'd actually like to see him take a redshirt year) but his ceiling is 100x higher than Amar's is
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Yea Amar will soon be next. I thought he would have been first
Can't see RF having any position on this team. He already wasted 1 year sitting on the bench and I can't see him getting any minutes next year. He needs to either transfer or sit out.
Please name me the 12th-13th player on any roster in the Big East. Hopefully he works on his game and hits the wright room and becomes productive as a Junior/Senior. That's what most teams do.
Amar >> the the German . I would rather keep him. He played some decent minutes in March . As long as he is not shooting 3's he can serve a purpose. Plus he is a senior. The other guy has to work really hard just to be as bad as Amar currently is.
You are going to look foolish for this. It's so shortsighted. The kid is pushing 6'10 (and long) and is very young for his class. Very few kids that big come in ready to contribute and he had to do it while adjusting to the speed and physicality of the American game. He moves extremely well, he passes the ball like a guard, and his shot looks good, albeit rushed at times in his small gunner role this year. He desperately needs 15 lbs of muscle so he can set screens, separate on offense, finish around the basket, and defend the four. He's going to be a problem for other teams in the pick and roll and pick and pop...you can see that already.
This isn't like Amar where the the ceiling is 10-15 mpg 8th man. He's not uncoordinated or unathletic. This kid has legitimate NBA potential. I don't understand the negativity towards him. The German kid from Michigan played 8 mpg last year and he's a first round pick this year. Put him on a 5,000 calorie a day diet and get his read in the weight room.
The problem w Freud is , as good as his shot looked, it didn't go in the basket. Very poor shooting stats. Maybe his confidence was shot, we will see. The fact is ,poor freshman year. Hopefully as he matures and gains exp. he will improve. Re, Amar, not that I expect that much, he is 6 9 240 lbs.
The problem with Freud is that when he came here, he wasn't ready for the BE. That doesn't mean that he won't ever be ready. I think we're going to have to wait until next season to know what we have with Freud.
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With potentially 2 -3 bigs coming in plus Clarke , Ahmed, Yawke where do his minutes come from. Unless he shows some unprecedented improvement and wows them in practice how does he get any burn.
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With potentially 2 -3 bigs coming in plus Clarke , Ahmed, Yawke where do his minutes come from. Unless he shows some unprecedented improvement and wows them in practice how does he get any burn.
No idea if Clark can play. We know Ahmed is a solid talent, but he's not the rebounder we need inside. Yakwe needs to improve to the point where he is helping more than hurting to warrant minutes.
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Well I predicted we'd bring in multiple bigs next season and it looks like this is heading down that path.
Now get rid of AA and bring in an upgrade for him.
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With potentially 2 -3 bigs coming in plus Clarke , Ahmed, Yawke where do his minutes come from. Unless he shows some unprecedented improvement and wows them in practice how does he get any burn.
No idea if Clark can play. We know Ahmed is a solid talent, but he's not the rebounder we need inside. Yakwe needs to improve to the point where he is helping more than hurting to warrant minutes.
Yes we have a lot of unknowns but I presume Clarke and Ahmed will be better then RF, who didn't play a minute last year, needs to find a shot and gain about 20 pounds. Not to mention the 2-3 bigs we supposedly have coming. Again, my point is where are his minutes coming from ?
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Already knowing eachother's tendencies, a Summer of Marcus, Shamorie and Bash in Queens finding additional chemistry was working to our favor to begin with. Retaining that core was the key.
Adding 3 players that have forced Darien, Amar, and Malik off campus is exciting to envision.
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I would like to see Amar stay. He is limited but his size and enthusiasm is a positive for the team. With Ellison and Williams leaving I doubt if the scholy is needed. Enjoyed his role as whacker in chief, if nothing else he has learned to give a foul and take up space.
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Amar seems like a great kid and great teammate. If he chooses to be an end of the bench player who gets burn when the front line gets in foul trouble, so be it. If he chooses to explore an option where he is guaranteed more PT, best of luck.
Bottom line is that if we bring in one immediately eligible transfer big, the front line will be a combination of that player, Owens, Yawke and Clark. In theory, that should be fine, if Clark is solid, the transfer is solid, and Yawke/Owens continue to develop (realize Yawke is a wild card, because we expected him to develop more between years 1 and 2, as opposed to regressing, but he has tools and we have seen what maturation does for players).
Those 4, with Ahmed filling in sparingly at the 4, should be fine, coupled with Lovett, Ponds, Simon, Mussini and Freudenberg. That gives us 10 guys who can play in the rotation, and at least 9 if you assume Freudenberg doesn't progress at all.
I don't see more than one immediate transfer big, unless we really like a second kid and are fortunate to land him. Other transfer may be a "sit and wait a year" scenario, perhaps at the guard position for sure.
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The 11th and 12th men on the roster are the reason St Johns didnt finish top 5 in the Big East!
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Amar is a goner, he can thank Ant Livingston for the additional year, stop reminiscing, he was simply garbage, we're replacing him with X player who will give us what he couldn't. He should've went to the MAAC once Lavs left. 3-0 vs. Cuse, I admired his spirit, hope he has enough credits to graduate.
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Amar is a goner, he can thank Ant Livingston for the additional year, stop reminiscing, he was simply garbage, we're replacing him with X player who will give us what he couldn't. He should've went to the MAAC once Lavs left. 3-0 vs. Cuse, I admired his spirit, hope he has enough credits to graduate.
So you call him garbage, but like his spirit?
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A garbage time BE player, not person, who had great pride for the uniform. Unfortunately his time is up, he holds a valuable scholarship.
This is Year 3, the time to win is now. Everyone knows this. They have to trim the fat.
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A garbage time BE player, not person, who had great pride for the uniform. Unfortunately his time is up, he holds a valuable scholarship.
This is Year 3, the time to win is now. Everyone knows this. They have to trim the fat.
Fair enough. But at the same times, others who actually played big minutes should be held accountable also
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Already knowing eachother's tendencies, a Summer of Marcus, Shamorie and Bash in Queens finding additional chemistry was working to our favor to begin with. Retaining that core was the key.
Adding 3 players that have forced Darien, Amar, and Malik off campus is exciting to envision.
Seems so. But last year Jones left and Amar left. We added no one. Than Amar return d.
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This kid has legitimate NBA potential.
Man you need to put down the pipe. Seriously!
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Yea Amar will soon be next. I thought he would have been first
Can't see RF having any position on this team. He already wasted 1 year sitting on the bench and I can't see him getting any minutes next year. He needs to either transfer or sit out.
Please name me the 12th-13th player on any roster in the Big East. Hopefully he works on his game and hits the wright room and becomes productive as a Junior/Senior. That's what most teams do.
Easy for you to say. Maybe the kid actually wants to play the game as opposed to sitting on the bench. Thing is I can't see him getting many more minutes then he had this year ie. virtually none. So does the kid give away half his college career or does he do something about it now. Besides Mullin wants his number back.
Maybe he enjoys campus life, NYC. Maybe he is banging a cute little blonde. Maybe he is willing to be a role player.
Good for him especially the blonde but none of that is going to help us as a team next year. Fordham has a beautiful campas, it's in NYC, and I'm sure there are 1 or 2 blonds walking around.
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The people saying Amar is better than Freud are absolutely mental.
Well not that I'm personally advocating this but based on playing time I think the coaching staff did.
Honestly playing scared is tough for coaches. RF played scared and very poorly but the scared part is why his minutes disappeared,
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With potentially 2 -3 bigs coming in plus Clarke , Ahmed, Yawke where do his minutes come from. Unless he shows some unprecedented improvement and wows them in practice how does he get any burn.
No idea if Clark can play. We know Ahmed is a solid talent, but he's not the rebounder we need inside. Yakwe needs to improve to the point where he is helping more than hurting to warrant minutes.
Yes we have a lot of unknowns but I presume Clarke and Ahmed will be better then RF, who didn't play a minute last year, needs to find a shot and gain about 20 pounds. Not to mention the 2-3 bigs we supposedly have coming. Again, my point is where are his minutes coming from ?
They're not coming. He should leave. I think he should finish up at a program with competition closer to his skill set.
Regarding Yakwe, I'm not sold on him getting more than 12 minutes a game if he gets that. If he's getting major minutes, he'd better of woken up, or we're in big trouble. He wasn't much better than Amar.
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I started this Amar argument. I never said he was good. I said he was a useful In march. He played the role of a back up foward well. He set screens, played ok defense, and rebounded. If he focused on that he could certainly contribute next year at St. John's. I do not think RF could do any those things next year for us. Last years team needed a player who could contribute right away. Not a 2 year project. As marallic suggested maybe my thoughts are short sided but RF did t show that he could do anything well (including shooting). Contribute does not mean scoring 20 points per game. Contribute means keeping Amar on the bench, where he belonged.
What we need most is a defensive coach who also has experience coaching big men. Simple things like boxing out. And fighting for post position would help the team greatly. Next year is year 3. Something has to change or we are not going to win. Ahmed and yakwe aren't going to play smarter unless they are coached.
DJ and paris's senior year would not have been close to as successful if Norm stayed.
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With potentially 2 -3 bigs coming in plus Clarke , Ahmed, Yawke where do his minutes come from. Unless he shows some unprecedented improvement and wows them in practice how does he get any burn.
No idea if Clark can play. We know Ahmed is a solid talent, but he's not the rebounder we need inside. Yakwe needs to improve to the point where he is helping more than hurting to warrant minutes.
Yes we have a lot of unknowns but I presume Clarke and Ahmed will be better then RF, who didn't play a minute last year, needs to find a shot and gain about 20 pounds. Not to mention the 2-3 bigs we supposedly have coming. Again, my point is where are his minutes coming from ?
They're not coming. He should leave. I think he should finish up at a program with competition closer to his skill set.
Regarding Yakwe, I'm not sold on him getting more than 12 minutes a game if he gets that. If he's getting major minutes, he'd better of woken up, or we're in big trouble. He wasn't much better than Amar.
That was my point. RF has no role on this team. If not, then we should redshirt him and hope eventually he will be able to keep up with Division 1 competition.
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With potentially 2 -3 bigs coming in plus Clarke , Ahmed, Yawke where do his minutes come from. Unless he shows some unprecedented improvement and wows them in practice how does he get any burn.
No idea if Clark can play. We know Ahmed is a solid talent, but he's not the rebounder we need inside. Yakwe needs to improve to the point where he is helping more than hurting to warrant minutes.
Yes we have a lot of unknowns but I presume Clarke and Ahmed will be better then RF, who didn't play a minute last year, needs to find a shot and gain about 20 pounds. Not to mention the 2-3 bigs we supposedly have coming. Again, my point is where are his minutes coming from ?
They're not coming. He should leave. I think he should finish up at a program with competition closer to his skill set.
Regarding Yakwe, I'm not sold on him getting more than 12 minutes a game if he gets that. If he's getting major minutes, he'd better of woken up, or we're in big trouble. He wasn't much better than Amar.
That was my point. RF has no role on this team. If not, then we should redshirt him and hope eventually he will be able to keep up with Division 1 competition.
Amar isn't going anywhere. He is a senior, big body, end of the bench kid who plays with great passion. We will need his ship for next year. RF is a project, again a end of the bench player who we hope can develop. Games are not won or lost because our end of the bench players aren't good enough. The focus needs to be improving the first 8.
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With potentially 2 -3 bigs coming in plus Clarke , Ahmed, Yawke where do his minutes come from. Unless he shows some unprecedented improvement and wows them in practice how does he get any burn.
No idea if Clark can play. We know Ahmed is a solid talent, but he's not the rebounder we need inside. Yakwe needs to improve to the point where he is helping more than hurting to warrant minutes.
Yes we have a lot of unknowns but I presume Clarke and Ahmed will be better then RF, who didn't play a minute last year, needs to find a shot and gain about 20 pounds. Not to mention the 2-3 bigs we supposedly have coming. Again, my point is where are his minutes coming from ?
They're not coming. He should leave. I think he should finish up at a program with competition closer to his skill set.
Regarding Yakwe, I'm not sold on him getting more than 12 minutes a game if he gets that. If he's getting major minutes, he'd better of woken up, or we're in big trouble. He wasn't much better than Amar.
That was my point. RF has no role on this team. If not, then we should redshirt him and hope eventually he will be able to keep up with Division 1 competition.
Amar isn't going anywhere. He is a senior, big body, end of the bench kid who plays with great passion. We will need his ship for next year. RF is a project, again a end of the bench player who we hope can develop. Games are not won or lost because our end of the bench players aren't good enough. The focus needs to be improving the first 8.
Wanna bet he is going somewhere ?
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Wish it was Moose and Amar instead of these two. Both are replaceable however, Malik's mental lapses, inconsistencies surpassed any excitement over his potential. Very likely wasn't going to explode and put it all together over the next two years. I sure hope we do have some brute strength to replace Darien though bc we are as thin as you can get in the frontcourt at this hour.
If this is it for the transfers, it's a sigh of relief. Let the good news roll in.
I'll disagree with this to an extent. Amar, in most games didn't play well. However, you could see that he was getting quicker and more aggressive. If he comes back next year, with hitting the gym some more and working on his game, he may surprise some.
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I started this Amar argument. I never said he was good. I said he was a useful In march. He played the role of a back up foward well. He set screens, played ok defense, and rebounded. If he focused on that he could certainly contribute next year at St. John's. I do not think RF could do any those things next year for us. Last years team needed a player who could contribute right away. Not a 2 year project. As marallic suggested maybe my thoughts are short sided but RF did t show that he could do anything well (including shooting). Contribute does not mean scoring 20 points per game. Contribute means keeping Amar on the bench, where he belonged.
I agree with you to the extent that I hope AA comes back: he's a senior and will likely give us more than any underclass replacement. That said, since the new year he had 24 rebounds (12 of those came in two games) and 32 personal fouls in 19 games. So he neither rebounded nor played defense, to the extent that playing defense does not comprise clubbing the other player and sending the other team to the line. Still, having suffered through three years of his incompetence I would welcome the opportunity to see if he took a step forward as a senior, as many other players have. But since you do not believe players get better through practice and repetition and maturity I don't understand why you would think the same thing.
In gross terms the correct question is not whether Alibeogwitz is better than Freudenberg next year. Because neither will make a difference and if we need them to we're intercoursed. The correct question is whether given the choice between the two of them one or the other would make more of a difference in the long term, in terms of moving the program forward. The obvious answer to that question is Fruedbergh. Because he's leagues better as a freshman than Alibegowitz.
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I'd like to see AA come back. He's a good teammate and the team played pretty evenly against
the opposition when he was in there at the appropriate times. He's also good for two outstanding games a year against decent opponents. He's a solid 10th guy even if he hasn't progressed to the 8th man I thought he could grow into. With Williams and Ellison gone and the tranny staying in Florida, there is room to bring in three tranafers and keep AA for continuity.
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I started this Amar argument. I never said he was good. I said he was a useful In march. He played the role of a back up foward well. He set screens, played ok defense, and rebounded. If he focused on that he could certainly contribute next year at St. John's. I do not think RF could do any those things next year for us. Last years team needed a player who could contribute right away. Not a 2 year project. As marallic suggested maybe my thoughts are short sided but RF did t show that he could do anything well (including shooting). Contribute does not mean scoring 20 points per game. Contribute means keeping Amar on the bench, where he belonged.
I agree with you to the extent that I hope AA comes back: he's a senior and will likely give us more than any underclass replacement. That said, since the new year he had 24 rebounds (12 of those came in two games) and 32 personal fouls in 19 games. So he neither rebounded nor played defense, to the extent that playing defense does not comprise clubbing the other player and sending the other team to the line. Still, having suffered through three years of his incompetence I would welcome the opportunity to see if he took a step forward as a senior, as many other players have. But since you do not believe players get better through practice and repetition and maturity I don't understand why you would think the same thing.
In gross terms the correct question is not whether Alibeogwitz is better than Freudenberg next year. Because neither will make a difference and if we need them to we're intercoursed. The correct question is whether given the choice between the two of them one or the other would make more of a difference in the long term, in terms of moving the program forward. The obvious answer to that question is Fruedbergh. Because he's leagues better as a freshman than Alibegowitz.
Players get better practing properley. Amar for 3 plus seasons has considered himself a stretch 4 with 3 point range. I imagine he has shot countless jump shots With that in mind. We need a back up foward. If he prepares yhis off season by himself and with a coach I believe he could be productive. If he continues to do what he has done the past 3 years he will not only be worthless he will be a detriment to the team.
I also assume our team practices defense and tries to prepare our players to rebound and occasionally stop the other team. Whatever they are doing isn't working. I believe if they continue to do the same things even if they increase the intensity we will still have the worst defense in the country . Something needs to change.
Foady- just reread your post. Amar's stats weren't good. He is still terrible. However he played physical the last few games. No matter what his numbers I thought he contributed in both Georgetown wins. Next year he won't have good numbers either. But if used properly he could contribute even if his final numbers are 3 points, 2 rebounds and 3 fouls.
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I started this Amar argument. I never said he was good. I said he was a useful In march. He played the role of a back up foward well. He set screens, played ok defense, and rebounded. If he focused on that he could certainly contribute next year at St. John's. I do not think RF could do any those things next year for us. Last years team needed a player who could contribute right away. Not a 2 year project. As marallic suggested maybe my thoughts are short sided but RF did t show that he could do anything well (including shooting). Contribute does not mean scoring 20 points per game. Contribute means keeping Amar on the bench, where he belonged.
I agree with you to the extent that I hope AA comes back: he's a senior and will likely give us more than any underclass replacement. That said, since the new year he had 24 rebounds (12 of those came in two games) and 32 personal fouls in 19 games. So he neither rebounded nor played defense, to the extent that playing defense does not comprise clubbing the other player and sending the other team to the line. Still, having suffered through three years of his incompetence I would welcome the opportunity to see if he took a step forward as a senior, as many other players have. But since you do not believe players get better through practice and repetition and maturity I don't understand why you would think the same thing.
In gross terms the correct question is not whether Alibeogwitz is better than Freudenberg next year. Because neither will make a difference and if we need them to we're intercoursed. The correct question is whether given the choice between the two of them one or the other would make more of a difference in the long term, in terms of moving the program forward. The obvious answer to that question is Fruedbergh. Because he's leagues better as a freshman than Alibegowitz.
Players get better practing properley. Amar for 3 plus seasons has considered himself a stretch 4 with 3 point range. I imagine he has shot countless jump shots With that in mind. We need a back up foward. If he prepares yhis off season by himself and with a coach I believe he could be productive. If he continues to do what he has done the past 3 years he will not only be worthless he will be a detriment to the team.
I also assume our team practices defense and tries to prepare our players to rebound and occasionally stop the other team. Whatever they are doing isn't working. I believe if they continue to do the same things even if they increase the intensity we will still have the worst defense in the country . Something needs to change.
Foady- just reread your post. Amar's stats weren't good. He is still terrible. However he played physical the last few games. No matter what his numbers I thought he contributed in both Georgetown wins. Next year he won't have good numbers either. But if used properly he could contribute even if his final numbers are 3 points, 2 rebounds and 3 fouls.
Even in the games where he played well enough, he allowed wide open baskets. His problems are only from the neck up. If he bothered to box out, he could at least be serviceable. He doesn't. Can he still have a productive senior year for both himself and even the team? Maybe, but I've never seen any St.John's 4 year player contribute less so I'm skeptical to say the least. He has been in the program for 3 years, and he still doesn't know where he should be on the court. I think if he can be replaced by a quality grad transfer or a prospect with a motor that might be best now all things considered. Two coaches have taught him very little to date, so I don't think it's unfair to say that he's just not dialed in. He should be playing at a low level D1 school, or maybe even a D3 school.
However, if he does return, we should support him. He's still an amateur, and in a year or two will be a part of the working force like everyone else. However, what he should do is find the best college he can with the shittiest team, transfer, sit out a year, graduate and get a grad degree.
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Foady- just reread your post. Amar's stats weren't good. He is still terrible. However he played physical the last few games. No matter what his numbers I thought he contributed in both Georgetown wins. Next year he won't have good numbers either. But if used properly he could contribute even if his final numbers are 3 points, 2 rebounds and 3 fouls.
Against GT in two games AA had zero points and 4 rebounds. To the extent you think otherwise you're confused. That said, I agree he might contribute next year and even of he doesn't the continuity would be welcome. According to my math carry the one he'd be the only senior on the roster.
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Foady- just reread your post. Amar's stats weren't good. He is still terrible. However he played physical the last few games. No matter what his numbers I thought he contributed in both Georgetown wins. Next year he won't have good numbers either. But if used properly he could contribute even if his final numbers are 3 points, 2 rebounds and 3 fouls.
Against GT in two games AA had zero points and 4 rebounds. To the extent you think otherwise you're confused. That said, I agree he might contribute next year and even of he doesn't the continuity would be welcome. According to my math carry the one he'd be the only senior on the roster.
Have to stop focusing so much on stats. We may have led the country in blocks. If not we were close. Still we were horribly defensively. Some on this board wanted to give Owens big east defensive player of the year, even though he isn't even a good defensive player. (I don't think he is a bad defensive player).
Joey delerosa may be the least skilled player we ever had. He played some productive minutes. He never accumulated stats.
If you think Amar can't even contribute as a back up foward, why would you want him back? In sports you continue positive things . If something doesn't work 3 years in a row it won't magically work the 4th.
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Foady- just reread your post. Amar's stats weren't good. He is still terrible. However he played physical the last few games. No matter what his numbers I thought he contributed in both Georgetown wins. Next year he won't have good numbers either. But if used properly he could contribute even if his final numbers are 3 points, 2 rebounds and 3 fouls.
Against GT in two games AA had zero points and 4 rebounds. To the extent you think otherwise you're confused. That said, I agree he might contribute next year and even of he doesn't the continuity would be welcome. According to my math carry the one he'd be the only senior on the roster.
Have to stop focusing so much on stats. We may have led the country in blocks. If not we were close. Still we were horribly defensively. Some on this board wanted to give Owens big east defensive player of the year, even though he isn't even a good defensive player. (I don't think he is a bad defensive player).
Joey delerosa may be the least skilled player we ever had. He played some productive minutes. He never accumulated stats.
If you think Amar can't even contribute as a back up foward, why would you want him back? In sports you continue positive things . If something doesn't work 3 years in a row it won't magically work the 4th.
Given the choice between your recollection of the productive minutes Alibegoqth played versus GT and actual numbers that reflect his production - or more precisely his lack of production - I'll take the numbers. Because eyewitness testimony is inherently unreliable.
Joey Delarosa of all people played 85 minutes in 33 games at St John's. He scored 9 points and had 16 rebounds. You might think that was productive, I do not.
I think Amar would be a fine 11th man, mostly because I don't think the 11th man matters. I think Freudenburcgh might be a fine sixth or seventh man in a couple of years, which is why I think your plan to keep AA over him is a sign of mental insanity. Short of a transmogrification like the one Dom Pointer underwent, or David Cain, nothing AA does next year is going to matter and if next year depends on whether AA is better than RF the whole thing is coitused and it doesn't matter anyway.
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Foady- just reread your post. Amar's stats weren't good. He is still terrible. However he played physical the last few games. No matter what his numbers I thought he contributed in both Georgetown wins. Next year he won't have good numbers either. But if used properly he could contribute even if his final numbers are 3 points, 2 rebounds and 3 fouls.
Against GT in two games AA had zero points and 4 rebounds. To the extent you think otherwise you're confused. That said, I agree he might contribute next year and even of he doesn't the continuity would be welcome. According to my math carry the one he'd be the only senior on the roster.
Have to stop focusing so much on stats. We may have led the country in blocks. If not we were close. Still we were horribly defensively. Some on this board wanted to give Owens big east defensive player of the year, even though he isn't even a good defensive player. (I don't think he is a bad defensive player).
Joey delerosa may be the least skilled player we ever had. He played some productive minutes. He never accumulated stats.
If you think Amar can't even contribute as a back up foward, why would you want him back? In sports you continue positive things . If something doesn't work 3 years in a row it won't magically work the 4th.
Given the choice between your recollection of the productive minutes Alibegoqth played versus GT and actual numbers that reflect his production - or more precisely his lack of production - I'll take the numbers. Because eyewitness testimony is inherently unreliable.
Joey Delarosa of all people played 85 minutes in 33 games at St John's. He scored 9 points and had 16 rebounds. You might think that was productive, I do not.
I think Amar would be a fine 11th man, mostly because I don't think the 11th man matters. I think Freudenburcgh might be a fine sixth or seventh man in a couple of years, which is why I think your plan to keep AA over him is a sign of mental insanity. Short of a transmogrification like the one Dom Pointer underwent, or David Cain, nothing AA does next year is going to matter and if next year depends on whether AA is better than RF the whole thing is coitused and it doesn't matter anyway.
I think the ceiling for Amar is probably Donald Emanuel, but even DE had skills that the team could count on. Not many, but some. Amar does nothing that we can count on him doing other fouling.
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Foady- just reread your post. Amar's stats weren't good. He is still terrible. However he played physical the last few games. No matter what his numbers I thought he contributed in both Georgetown wins. Next year he won't have good numbers either. But if used properly he could contribute even if his final numbers are 3 points, 2 rebounds and 3 fouls.
Against GT in two games AA had zero points and 4 rebounds. To the extent you think otherwise you're confused. That said, I agree he might contribute next year and even of he doesn't the continuity would be welcome. According to my math carry the one he'd be the only senior on the roster.
Have to stop focusing so much on stats. We may have led the country in blocks. If not we were close. Still we were horribly defensively. Some on this board wanted to give Owens big east defensive player of the year, even though he isn't even a good defensive player. (I don't think he is a bad defensive player).
Joey delerosa may be the least skilled player we ever had. He played some productive minutes. He never accumulated stats.
If you think Amar can't even contribute as a back up foward, why would you want him back? In sports you continue positive things . If something doesn't work 3 years in a row it won't magically work the 4th.
I think Joey Delarosa helped in 2 games. So did Amar. Probably closer to 4 for Amar. We need big guys that know how to box out AND actually do it, too.
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Foady- just reread your post. Amar's stats weren't good. He is still terrible. However he played physical the last few games. No matter what his numbers I thought he contributed in both Georgetown wins. Next year he won't have good numbers either. But if used properly he could contribute even if his final numbers are 3 points, 2 rebounds and 3 fouls.
Against GT in two games AA had zero points and 4 rebounds. To the extent you think otherwise you're confused. That said, I agree he might contribute next year and even of he doesn't the continuity would be welcome. According to my math carry the one he'd be the only senior on the roster.
Have to stop focusing so much on stats. We may have led the country in blocks. If not we were close. Still we were horribly defensively. Some on this board wanted to give Owens big east defensive player of the year, even though he isn't even a good defensive player. (I don't think he is a bad defensive player).
Joey delerosa may be the least skilled player we ever had. He played some productive minutes. He never accumulated stats.
If you think Amar can't even contribute as a back up foward, why would you want him back? In sports you continue positive things . If something doesn't work 3 years in a row it won't magically work the 4th.
Given the choice between your recollection of the productive minutes Alibegoqth played versus GT and actual numbers that reflect his production - or more precisely his lack of production - I'll take the numbers. Because eyewitness testimony is inherently unreliable.
Joey Delarosa of all people played 85 minutes in 33 games at St John's. He scored 9 points and had 16 rebounds. You might think that was productive, I do not.
I think Amar would be a fine 11th man, mostly because I don't think the 11th man matters. I think Freudenburcgh might be a fine sixth or seventh man in a couple of years, which is why I think your plan to keep AA over him is a sign of mental insanity. Short of a transmogrification like the one Dom Pointer underwent, or David Cain, nothing AA does next year is going to matter and if next year depends on whether AA is better than RF the whole thing is coitused and it doesn't matter anyway.
I think the ceiling for Amar is probably Donald Emanuel, but even DE had skills that the team could count on. Not many, but some. Amar does nothing that we can count on him doing other fouling.
Emanuel had a surprisingly good senior year, especially considering who was coaching him and if AA turns out as well as DE I'll start going to church. I wouldn't trade either of them as seniors as RF as a freshman.
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Joey delorosa contributed vs st. Mary's and duke. He gave us a few solid minutes. He was useful for 2 games. He helped slow down that kid from st. Mary's and kept our better players out of foul trouble . We won that game. He also played and didn't kill us vs duke.
Amar Mighh be able to go that. RF can't . He has no role. Maybe he becomes a lottery pick. Right now he can't guard anyone right now . He also is not any kind of offenseive threat.
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Joey delorosa contributed vs st. Mary's and duke. He gave us a few solid minutes. He was useful for 2 games. He helped slow down that kid from st. Mary's and kept our better players out of foul trouble . We won that game. He also played and didn't kill us vs duke.
JDLR who I can't believe I'm even discussing played three minutes versus dook. Those must have been the most remarkable 180 seconds in college BB history for you to remember them. He played 12 minutes versus SM. In those combined 15 minutes that so impressed you he had no points, two rebounds and four personal fouls.
I feel confident that RF could play 15 minutes and score no points and get two rebounds, so we'll have to agree to disagree.
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Foady- just reread your post. Amar's stats weren't good. He is still terrible. However he played physical the last few games. No matter what his numbers I thought he contributed in both Georgetown wins. Next year he won't have good numbers either. But if used properly he could contribute even if his final numbers are 3 points, 2 rebounds and 3 fouls.
Against GT in two games AA had zero points and 4 rebounds. To the extent you think otherwise you're confused. That said, I agree he might contribute next year and even of he doesn't the continuity would be welcome. According to my math carry the one he'd be the only senior on the roster.
Have to stop focusing so much on stats. We may have led the country in blocks. If not we were close. Still we were horribly defensively. Some on this board wanted to give Owens big east defensive player of the year, even though he isn't even a good defensive player. (I don't think he is a bad defensive player).
Joey delerosa may be the least skilled player we ever had. He played some productive minutes. He never accumulated stats.
If you think Amar can't even contribute as a back up foward, why would you want him back? In sports you continue positive things . If something doesn't work 3 years in a row it won't magically work the 4th.
Given the choice between your recollection of the productive minutes Alibegoqth played versus GT and actual numbers that reflect his production - or more precisely his lack of production - I'll take the numbers. Because eyewitness testimony is inherently unreliable.
Joey Delarosa of all people played 85 minutes in 33 games at St John's. He scored 9 points and had 16 rebounds. You might think that was productive, I do not.
I think Amar would be a fine 11th man, mostly because I don't think the 11th man matters. I think Freudenburcgh might be a fine sixth or seventh man in a couple of years, which is why I think your plan to keep AA over him is a sign of mental insanity. Short of a transmogrification like the one Dom Pointer underwent, or David Cain, nothing AA does next year is going to matter and if next year depends on whether AA is better than RF the whole thing is coitused and it doesn't matter anyway.
I think the ceiling for Amar is probably Donald Emanuel, but even DE had skills that the team could count on. Not many, but some. Amar does nothing that we can count on him doing other fouling.
Emanuel had a surprisingly good senior year, especially considering who was coaching him and if AA turns out as well as DE I'll start going to church. I wouldn't trade either of them as seniors as RF as a freshman.
Freudenberg needs to hit the weight room. He's a stick. And, he needs to learn how to play against guys with Big East basketball speed. The game he came from was played with slower athletes. He just wasn't ready for this.
Mullin gave RF his number. Let's see what plan coach draws up this summer for him.
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Joey delorosa contributed vs st. Mary's and duke. He gave us a few solid minutes. He was useful for 2 games. He helped slow down that kid from st. Mary's and kept our better players out of foul trouble . We won that game. He also played and didn't kill us vs duke.
JDLR who I can't believe I'm even discussing played three minutes versus dook. Those must have been the most remarkable 180 seconds in college BB history for you to remember them. He played 12 minutes versus SM. In those combined 15 minutes that so impressed you he had no points, two rebounds and four personal fouls.
I feel confident that RF could play 15 minutes and score no points and get two rebounds, so we'll have to agree to disagree.
The De La Rosa's grabbbed more balls in the showers than they did under the hoop
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Lord knows Pitt has enough schollies open this coming year:
https://twitter.com/carminecsju/status/851625503740112896
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Well he's in for a rude awakening if he thinks he's gonna get more minutes at Pitt than he did here. ellison can play for sure, but I think a level below the ACC might be smarter.
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Well he's in for a rude awakening if he thinks he's gonna get more minutes at Pitt than he did here. ellison can play for sure, but I think a level below the ACC might be smarter.
Pittsburgh has no players on their roster right now
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Well he's in for a rude awakening if he thinks he's gonna get more minutes at Pitt than he did here. ellison can play for sure, but I think a level below the ACC might be smarter.
Pitt is a mess. The program is spiraling downwards just like BC did when they joined the ACC. Nobody cares about these teams in the ACC, and they lose all rivalries instantly and become irrelevant very quickly.
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Well he's in for a rude awakening if he thinks he's gonna get more minutes at Pitt than he did here. ellison can play for sure, but I think a level below the ACC might be smarter.
Pittsburgh has no players on their roster right now
That's right now, but what about after 2 seasons when he finally suits up for them? If he was gonna play this upcoming season, I'd say sure...
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Well he's in for a rude awakening if he thinks he's gonna get more minutes at Pitt than he did here. ellison can play for sure, but I think a level below the ACC might be smarter.
Pittsburgh has no players on their roster right now
That's right now, but what about after 2 seasons when he finally suits up for them? If he was gonna play this upcoming season, I'd say sure...
I agree that he'd be better suited a level lower, but if he wants to get solid minutes in a big conference, Pitt may be the best place for him. By the time he's ready to play he'll be a 4th year junior most likely competing for minutes against 3 star freshmen and sophomores and other average transfers. Plus he'll graduate after that season and can then go play immediately somewhere else for his final year
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Ellison down to Pitt, UVA and Harvard.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/853951515421265921
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Go play for Amaker, young man. Solid hoops and a degree that has clout for a lifetime. Make some great connections too that can help with whatever you want to do after basketball.
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Ellison down to Pitt, UVA and Harvard.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/853951515421265921
I would be excited to see his defense take off under Bennett.
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Ellison down to Pitt, UVA and Harvard.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/853951515421265921
I would be excited to see his defense take off under Bennett.
Wonder why Ellison left?
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Ellison down to Pitt, UVA and Harvard.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/853951515421265921
I would be excited to see his defense take off under Bennett.
Wonder why Ellison left?
He got recruited over
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Ellison down to Pitt, UVA and Harvard.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/853951515421265921
I would be excited to see his defense take off under Bennett.
Wonder why Ellison left?
He got recruited over
He did?
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Ellison down to Pitt, UVA and Harvard.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/853951515421265921
I would be excited to see his defense take off under Bennett.
Wonder why Ellison left?
He got recruited over
He did?
Simon...
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Ellison down to Pitt, UVA and Harvard.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/853951515421265921
I would be excited to see his defense take off under Bennett.
Wonder why Ellison left?
He got recruited over
He did?
He didn't?
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Ellison down to Pitt, UVA and Harvard.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/853951515421265921
I would be excited to see his defense take off under Bennett.
Wonder why Ellison left?
He got recruited over
He did?
He didn't?
So we had no minutes for a guy with offers from ACC teams?
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Ellison down to Pitt, UVA and Harvard.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/853951515421265921
I would be excited to see his defense take off under Bennett.
Wonder why Ellison left?
He got recruited over
He did?
He didn't?
It was going to be tough for him to get minute this season, that is very obvious. Simon, Ponds, Lovett will play a lot and Mussini will be the shooter off the bench. I think Ellison just didn't want to play 10-15 minutes a game and I respect that.
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Ellison down to Pitt, UVA and Harvard.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/853951515421265921
I would be excited to see his defense take off under Bennett.
Wonder why Ellison left?
He got recruited over
He did?
He didn't?
So we had no minutes for a guy with offers from ACC teams?
You trashed him the entire year and now you post this... you are honestly the worst poster here.
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Ellison down to Pitt, UVA and Harvard.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/853951515421265921
I would be excited to see his defense take off under Bennett.
Wonder why Ellison left?
He got recruited over
He did?
He didn't?
So we had no minutes for a guy with offers from ACC teams?
You trashed him the entire year and now you post this... you are honestly the worst poster here.
Got the wrong guy.
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And I never heard of you btw
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Ellison down to Pitt, UVA and Harvard.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/853951515421265921
I would be excited to see his defense take off under Bennett.
Wonder why Ellison left?
He got recruited over
He did?
He didn't?
So we had no minutes for a guy with offers from ACC teams?
Correct
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Ellison down to Pitt, UVA and Harvard.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/853951515421265921
I would be excited to see his defense take off under Bennett.
Wonder why Ellison left?
He got recruited over
He did?
He didn't?
So we had no minutes for a guy with offers from ACC teams?
Baldi! You're catching on!
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Ellison down to Pitt, UVA and Harvard.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/853951515421265921
I would be excited to see his defense take off under Bennett.
Wonder why Ellison left?
He got recruited over
He did?
He didn't?
So we had no minutes for a guy with offers from ACC teams?
Baldi! You're catching on!
Took me long enough
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Ellison down to Pitt, UVA and Harvard.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/853951515421265921
I would be excited to see his defense take off under Bennett.
Wonder why Ellison left?
He got recruited over
He did?
He didn't?
So we had no minutes for a guy with offers from ACC teams?
Baldi! You're catching on!
Took me long enough
He plays the same positions as what should be our best four players-Ponds, Lovett, Simon and Ahmed.
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Ellison down to Pitt, UVA and Harvard.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/853951515421265921
I would be excited to see his defense take off under Bennett.
Wonder why Ellison left?
He got recruited over
He did?
He didn't?
So we had no minutes for a guy with offers from ACC teams?
Baldi! You're catching on!
Took me long enough
He plays the same positions as what should be our best four players-Ponds, Lovett, Simon and Ahmed.
Was kinda hoping Clark is better than Ahmed. The fact that other coaches see promise in Ellison that would never be realized here...that's the problem
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Ellison down to Pitt, UVA and Harvard.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/853951515421265921
I would be excited to see his defense take off under Bennett.
Wonder why Ellison left?
He got recruited over
He did?
He didn't?
So we had no minutes for a guy with offers from ACC teams?
Baldi! You're catching on!
Took me long enough
He plays the same positions as what should be our best four players-Ponds, Lovett, Simon and Ahmed.
Was kinda hoping Clark is better than Ahmed. The fact that other coaches see promise in Ellison that would never be realized here...that's the problem
Owens, Clark, Simon, Ahmed, Ponds, Lovett, Yakwe and Mussini will be the 8 man rotation. If you want to argue that Ellison is better than Mussini fine but Mussini brings a different if limited skill set than the other 7 guys.
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Ellison down to Pitt, UVA and Harvard.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/853951515421265921
I would be excited to see his defense take off under Bennett.
Wonder why Ellison left?
He got recruited over
He did?
He didn't?
So we had no minutes for a guy with offers from ACC teams?
Baldi! You're catching on!
Took me long enough
He plays the same positions as what should be our best four players-Ponds, Lovett, Simon and Ahmed.
Was kinda hoping Clark is better than Ahmed. The fact that other coaches see promise in Ellison that would never be realized here...that's the problem
There's 500 division 1 transfers. Not all of them are a result of coaches seeing promise in a kid that wouldn't be realized at the place he is transferring from
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If baldi was a Pitt fan I'm sure he would be ecstatic at the possibilities of landing Ellison.
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Ellison down to Pitt, UVA and Harvard.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/853951515421265921
I would be excited to see his defense take off under Bennett.
Wonder why Ellison left?
He got recruited over
He did?
He didn't?
So we had no minutes for a guy with offers from ACC teams?
Baldi! You're catching on!
Took me long enough
He plays the same positions as what should be our best four players-Ponds, Lovett, Simon and Ahmed.
Was kinda hoping Clark is better than Ahmed. The fact that other coaches see promise in Ellison that would never be realized here...that's the problem
There's 500 division 1 transfers. Not all of them are a result of coaches seeing promise in a kid that wouldn't be realized at the place he is transferring from
Not all of them being recruited by probably the best defensive team in the nation either. Defense being our problem area
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Not all of them being recruited by probably the best defensive team in the nation either. Defense being our problem area
And Ellison being part of the problem.
He's also being recruited by Harvard. Does that make him smart or is he simply fortunate that there are no SAT questions about how wide a basketball court is.
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Ellison is the kind of kid that looks good on paper and highlights, but his problems are less obvious. His basketball IQ right now is just awful. The best way to give a transfer the proper
context seems to be how the fans react to them leaving. When you see the fans upset and writing about how the kid hustled , played smart, and will be missed...it's a very good sign.
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Who gets to the tournament first? This staff or Ellison?
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Who gets to the tournament first? This staff or Ellison?
Ellison has to sit out a year, so this staff.
Question: in mid February you said "Yakwe is horrendous, and Ellison is worse." What transpired in the past six weeks to so change your opinion about Malik Ellison, who is now a valuable ACC asset?
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Ellison down to Pitt, UVA and Harvard.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/853951515421265921
I would be excited to see his defense take off under Bennett.
Wonder why Ellison left?
He got recruited over
He did?
He didn't?
So we had no minutes for a guy with offers from ACC teams?
Baldi! You're catching on!
Took me long enough
He plays the same positions as what should be our best four players-Ponds, Lovett, Simon and Ahmed.
Was kinda hoping Clark is better than Ahmed. The fact that other coaches see promise in Ellison that would never be realized here...that's the problem
Owens, Clark, Simon, Ahmed, Ponds, Lovett, Yakwe and Mussini will be the 8 man rotation. If you want to argue that Ellison is better than Mussini fine but Mussini brings a different if limited skill set than the other 7 guys.
Great post. Ellison was clearly 9th man. I'm bummed he's gone bc he has talent and injuries always happen but it's not like we lost Lovett here (and that's what baldi was counting on so it seems he's just continuing on as if we lost Lovett).
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Who gets to the tournament first? This staff or Ellison?
Ellison has to sit out a year, so this staff.
Question: in mid February you said "Yakwe is horrendous, and Ellison is worse." What transpired in the past six weeks to so change your opinion about Malik Ellison, who is now a valuable ACC asset?
After what game was that? Both should have improved, both played a ton of minutes.
A top 25 team seems to think he is ACC worthy
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Ellison down to Pitt, UVA and Harvard.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/853951515421265921
I would be excited to see his defense take off under Bennett.
Wonder why Ellison left?
He got recruited over
He did?
He didn't?
So we had no minutes for a guy with offers from ACC teams?
Baldi! You're catching on!
Took me long enough
He plays the same positions as what should be our best four players-Ponds, Lovett, Simon and Ahmed.
Was kinda hoping Clark is better than Ahmed. The fact that other coaches see promise in Ellison that would never be realized here...that's the problem
Owens, Clark, Simon, Ahmed, Ponds, Lovett, Yakwe and Mussini will be the 8 man rotation. If you want to argue that Ellison is better than Mussini fine but Mussini brings a different if limited skill set than the other 7 guys.
Great post. Ellison was clearly 9th man. I'm bummed he's gone bc he has talent and injuries always happen but it's not like we lost Lovett here (and that's what baldi was counting on so it seems he's just continuing on as if we lost Lovett).
Counting on Lovett leaving? Could care less if he did, SJU could not make any tournament with or without
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Who gets to the tournament first? This staff or Ellison?
Ellison has to sit out a year, so this staff.
Question: in mid February you said "Yakwe is horrendous, and Ellison is worse." What transpired in the past six weeks to so change your opinion about Malik Ellison, who is now a valuable ACC asset?
After what game was that? Both should have improved, both played a ton of minutes.
A top 25 team seems to think he is ACC worthy
Or you know they could just want him at the end of the bench...
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Who gets to the tournament first? This staff or Ellison?
Ellison has to sit out a year, so this staff.
Question: in mid February you said "Yakwe is horrendous, and Ellison is worse." What transpired in the past six weeks to so change your opinion about Malik Ellison, who is now a valuable ACC asset?
After what game was that? Both should have improved, both played a ton of minutes.
It was Creighton, one game before the regular season ended and two years into his career. The next game against Providence he scored zero points in 23 minutes. Was the Friar game the one that revealed his enormous potential? Or was it the four points he scored in the 40 point loss to Villanova that turned your head?
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Who gets to the tournament first? This staff or Ellison?
Ellison has to sit out a year, so this staff.
Question: in mid February you said "Yakwe is horrendous, and Ellison is worse." What transpired in the past six weeks to so change your opinion about Malik Ellison, who is now a valuable ACC asset?
After what game was that? Both should have improved, both played a ton of minutes.
It was Creighton, one game before the regular season ended and two years into his career. The next game against Providence he scored zero points in 23 minutes. Was the Friar game the one that revealed his enormous potential? Or was it the four points he scored in the 40 point loss to Villanova that turned your head?
Plenty of questions for Tony Bennet and Virginia to answer
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Washington did not make any tournament with the soon to be Number 1 one draft pick....think you are being way to hard on Lovett
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Who gets to the tournament first? This staff or Ellison?
Ellison has to sit out a year, so this staff.
Question: in mid February you said "Yakwe is horrendous, and Ellison is worse." What transpired in the past six weeks to so change your opinion about Malik Ellison, who is now a valuable ACC asset?
After what game was that? Both should have improved, both played a ton of minutes.
It was Creighton, one game before the regular season ended and two years into his career. The next game against Providence he scored zero points in 23 minutes. Was the Friar game the one that revealed his enormous potential? Or was it the four points he scored in the 40 point loss to Villanova that turned your head?
Plenty of questions for Tony Bennet and Virginia to answer
And one for you to answer, which you can't. So I'll answer for you: when Ellison was at St John's he stunk and once he transferred he became an excellent basketball player who was a valuable piece of the puzzle.
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Who gets to the tournament first? This staff or Ellison?
Ellison has to sit out a year, so this staff.
Question: in mid February you said "Yakwe is horrendous, and Ellison is worse." What transpired in the past six weeks to so change your opinion about Malik Ellison, who is now a valuable ACC asset?
After what game was that? Both should have improved, both played a ton of minutes.
It was Creighton, one game before the regular season ended and two years into his career. The next game against Providence he scored zero points in 23 minutes. Was the Friar game the one that revealed his enormous potential? Or was it the four points he scored in the 40 point loss to Villanova that turned your head?
I called him out too and he denies ever trashing Ellison, but now he acts like he was some integral part of the team next year because a couple of ACC schools came calling.
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Who gets to the tournament first? This staff or Ellison?
Ellison has to sit out a year, so this staff.
Question: in mid February you said "Yakwe is horrendous, and Ellison is worse." What transpired in the past six weeks to so change your opinion about Malik Ellison, who is now a valuable ACC asset?
After what game was that? Both should have improved, both played a ton of minutes.
A top 25 team seems to think he is ACC worthy
Except right now Pitt is a hot mess and Virginia isn't all that far behind. Bennett will likely get it back on the right track but he's lost almost his whole team to graduation/transfers and only has one 2017 recruit signed. He needs bodies right now. But hey, don't let reality get in your way to make terrible points
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Ellison sucked so bad, he only played 25 minutes a game. We need to recruit guys who don't need to improve
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Who gets to the tournament first? This staff or Ellison?
Ellison has to sit out a year, so this staff.
Question: in mid February you said "Yakwe is horrendous, and Ellison is worse." What transpired in the past six weeks to so change your opinion about Malik Ellison, who is now a valuable ACC asset?
After what game was that? Both should have improved, both played a ton of minutes.
A top 25 team seems to think he is ACC worthy
Except right now Pitt is a hot mess and Virginia isn't all that far behind. Bennett will likely get it back on the right track but he's lost almost his whole team to graduation/transfers and only has one 2017 recruit signed. He needs bodies right now. But hey, don't let reality get in your way to make terrible points
St Johns didn't make a C tournament. Hot mess?
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Ellison sucked so bad, he only played 25 minutes a game. We need to recruit guys who don't need to improve
Does he stink or is he a great loss. You said both. Pick one.
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Ellison sucked so bad, he only played 25 minutes a game. We need to recruit guys who don't need to improve
Does he stink or is he a great loss. You said both. Pick one.
He stinks and he is a great loss. Maybe that's the problem
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Ellison sucked so bad, he only played 25 minutes a game. We need to recruit guys who don't need to improve
Does he stink or is he a great loss. You said both. Pick one.
He stinks and he is a great loss. Maybe that's the problem
That doesn't even make sense...
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Who gets to the tournament first? This staff or Ellison?
Ellison has to sit out a year, so this staff.
Question: in mid February you said "Yakwe is horrendous, and Ellison is worse." What transpired in the past six weeks to so change your opinion about Malik Ellison, who is now a valuable ACC asset?
Baldi! ;D ;D
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Ellison sucked so bad, he only played 25 minutes a game. We need to recruit guys who don't need to improve
Does he stink or is he a great loss. You said both. Pick one.
He stinks and he is a great loss. Maybe that's the problem
That doesn't even make sense...
Why would it. We are...
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Ellison sucked so bad, he only played 25 minutes a game. We need to recruit guys who don't need to improve
Does he stink or is he a great loss. You said both. Pick one.
He stinks and he is a great loss. Maybe that's the problem
The problem is that your trolling has reached mid major levels, just as has the team that you root for. Ellison would be a wonderful player at Iona, because he stinks.
Next.
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Ellison sucked so bad, he only played 25 minutes a game. We need to recruit guys who don't need to improve
Does he stink or is he a great loss. You said both. Pick one.
He stinks and he is a great loss. Maybe that's the problem
The problem is that your trolling has reached mid major levels, just as has the team that you root for. Ellison would be a wonderful player at Iona, because he stinks.
Next.
He wouldn't get 25 mins there
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Ellison sucked so bad, he only played 25 minutes a game. We need to recruit guys who don't need to improve
Does he stink or is he a great loss. You said both. Pick one.
He stinks and he is a great loss. Maybe that's the problem
The problem is that your trolling has reached mid major levels, just as has the team that you root for. Ellison would be a wonderful player at Iona, because he stinks.
Next.
He wouldn't get 25 mins there
...He would be your second highest recruit of all time. You live in a fantasy land
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Ellison sucked so bad, he only played 25 minutes a game. We need to recruit guys who don't need to improve
Does he stink or is he a great loss. You said both. Pick one.
He stinks and he is a great loss. Maybe that's the problem
The problem is that your trolling has reached mid major levels, just as has the team that you root for. Ellison would be a wonderful player at Iona, because he stinks.
Next.
He wouldn't get 25 mins there
...He would be your second highest recruit of all time. You live in a fantasy land
Nah. I live in Long Island, close though. Fantasy land is battling Old Dominion for recruits because everyone else said no
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Ellison sucked so bad, he only played 25 minutes a game. We need to recruit guys who don't need to improve
Does he stink or is he a great loss. You said both. Pick one.
He stinks and he is a great loss. Maybe that's the problem
The problem is that your trolling has reached mid major levels, just as has the team that you root for. Ellison would be a wonderful player at Iona, because he stinks.
Next.
He wouldn't get 25 mins there
...He would be your second highest recruit of all time. You live in a fantasy land
Nah. I live in Long Island, close though. Fantasy land is battling Old Dominion for recruits because everyone else said no
Instead you get to fight with ECU and Central Connecticut. Congrats.
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Ellison sucked so bad, he only played 25 minutes a game. We need to recruit guys who don't need to improve
Does he stink or is he a great loss. You said both. Pick one.
He stinks and he is a great loss. Maybe that's the problem
The problem is that your trolling has reached mid major levels, just as has the team that you root for. Ellison would be a wonderful player at Iona, because he stinks.
Next.
He wouldn't get 25 mins there
...He would be your second highest recruit of all time. You live in a fantasy land
Nah. I live in Long Island, close though. Fantasy land is battling Old Dominion for recruits because everyone else said no
Instead you get to fight with ECU and Central Connecticut. Congrats.
New York's team
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Ellison sucked so bad, he only played 25 minutes a game. We need to recruit guys who don't need to improve
Does he stink or is he a great loss. You said both. Pick one.
He stinks and he is a great loss. Maybe that's the problem
The problem is that your trolling has reached mid major levels, just as has the team that you root for. Ellison would be a wonderful player at Iona, because he stinks.
Next.
He wouldn't get 25 mins there
Not good enough for IONA, great pickup for Virginia, he stinks and not a big loss for SJU, but SJU sucks for letting him getaway. Think I understand
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Ellison sucked so bad, he only played 25 minutes a game. We need to recruit guys who don't need to improve
Does he stink or is he a great loss. You said both. Pick one.
He stinks and he is a great loss. Maybe that's the problem
The problem is that your trolling has reached mid major levels, just as has the team that you root for. Ellison would be a wonderful player at Iona, because he stinks.
Next.
He wouldn't get 25 mins there
Not good enough for IONA, great pickup for Virginia, he stinks and not a big loss for SJU, but SJU sucks for letting him getaway. Think I understand
Yes. I read here Virginia and Pitt have no one left.
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The point Baldi is trying to convey is yeah he was rough here but would do well elsewhere because our player development isn't great . Also a D only player at UVA might not play at Iona due to their run and gun style.
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The point Baldi is trying to convey is yeah he was rough here but would do well elsewhere because our player development isn't great . Also a D only player at UVA might not play at Iona due to their run and gun style.
No, I think the point Baldi is trying to make is that the administration sucks, the coaches sucks and the players suck.
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The point Baldi is trying to convey is yeah he was rough here but would do well elsewhere because our player development isn't great . Also a D only player at UVA might not play at Iona due to their run and gun style.
I think you might be giving Baldi too much credit. He is not trying to make a point, because he has not formulated a rational thought on the subject. He has, however, managed to get us to create 3 pages of posts in response to his initial blabber. That is what trolling is about. Bravo, Baldi.
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The point Baldi is trying to convey is yeah he was rough here but would do well elsewhere because our player development isn't great . Also a D only player at UVA might not play at Iona due to their run and gun style.
There ya have it. Thought some of these guys could read between lines. Wtf was I thinking!
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I talked to someone inside St John's. They both left because they were told their playing time would be cut next season. Ellison for Simon and Williams was being recruited over this offseason.
Please end this ridiculous discussion.
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I talked to someone inside St John's. They both left because they were told their playing time would be cut next season. Ellison for Simon and Williams was being recruited over this offseason.
Please end this ridiculous discussion.
Well let's see how pushing out Williams works out
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I talked to someone inside St John's. They both left because they were told their playing time would be cut next season. Ellison for Simon and Williams was being recruited over this offseason.
Please end this ridiculous discussion.
Not really true. Playing time could have been reduced but I know Ellison proactively left. Williams thought he could get more run elsewhere. Van Wilder.
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The point Baldi is trying to convey is yeah he was rough here but would do well elsewhere because our player development isn't great . Also a D only player at UVA might not play at Iona due to their run and gun style.
what Baldi was saying is although Ellison sucks and wouldn't get 25 minuted at Iona , he got plenty of PT here because we stunk. (according to Baldi) And despite the fact that we will have Lovett,Ponds ,Simon,Mussini and Bash, Ellisons loss will hurt us.
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Anyone who thinks Ellison's loss will hurt us next year, knows nothing about basketball.
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Anyone who thinks Ellison's loss will hurt us next year, knows nothing about basketball.
We all know he was a mess this season, but players develop. There are guys who have been worse and turned into good players over the course of 4 years. In order to have a successful program we need some continuity.
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Dom's junior year was pretty crappy, then he was COSTCO senior year.
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Dom's junior year was pretty crappy, then he was COSTCO senior year.
There is a difference between doing nothing and being a complete horror show.
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Dom's junior year was pretty crappy, then he was COSTCO senior year.
True, but he was pretty awesome as a frosh and not bad as a sophomore. His struggles were due to how he was used. I blame Lavin 100%.
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Ellison sucked so bad, he only played 25 minutes a game. We need to recruit guys who don't need to improve
Does he stink or is he a great loss. You said both. Pick one.
He stinks and he is a great loss. Maybe that's the problem
The problem is that your trolling has reached mid major levels, just as has the team that you root for. Ellison would be a wonderful player at Iona, because he stinks.
Next.
He wouldn't get 25 mins there
He wouldn't get 25 minutes at a mid major like Iona but "a top 25 team seems to think he is ACC worthy". Again, pick one.
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Ellison sucked so bad, he only played 25 minutes a game. We need to recruit guys who don't need to improve
Does he stink or is he a great loss. You said both. Pick one.
He stinks and he is a great loss. Maybe that's the problem
The problem is that your trolling has reached mid major levels, just as has the team that you root for. Ellison would be a wonderful player at Iona, because he stinks.
Next.
He wouldn't get 25 mins there
He wouldn't get 25 minutes at a mid major like Iona but "a top 25 team seems to think he is ACC worthy". Again, pick one.
He got 25 mins at a below average mid major, St Johns
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Both Ellison and Ahmed are extremely frustrating to watch. Ahmed is better so I am glad Ellison is gone. Having two of them was too much for me. No offense he has some potential, good luck to him but it will not be a big loss next year.
Williams thing a littler harder to understand.
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Ellison sucked so bad, he only played 25 minutes a game. We need to recruit guys who don't need to improve
Does he stink or is he a great loss. You said both. Pick one.
He stinks and he is a great loss. Maybe that's the problem
The problem is that your trolling has reached mid major levels, just as has the team that you root for. Ellison would be a wonderful player at Iona, because he stinks.
Next.
He wouldn't get 25 mins there
He wouldn't get 25 minutes at a mid major like Iona but "a top 25 team seems to think he is ACC worthy". Again, pick one.
He got 25 mins at a below average mid major, St Johns
Textbook trolling.
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Ellison sucked so bad, he only played 25 minutes a game. We need to recruit guys who don't need to improve
Does he stink or is he a great loss. You said both. Pick one.
He stinks and he is a great loss. Maybe that's the problem
The problem is that your trolling has reached mid major levels, just as has the team that you root for. Ellison would be a wonderful player at Iona, because he stinks.
Next.
He wouldn't get 25 mins there
He wouldn't get 25 minutes at a mid major like Iona but "a top 25 team seems to think he is ACC worthy". Again, pick one.
He got 25 mins at a below average mid major, St Johns
The Big East is third best conference in the country. The MAAC is 15th.
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Ellison sucked so bad, he only played 25 minutes a game. We need to recruit guys who don't need to improve
Does he stink or is he a great loss. You said both. Pick one.
He stinks and he is a great loss. Maybe that's the problem
The problem is that your trolling has reached mid major levels, just as has the team that you root for. Ellison would be a wonderful player at Iona, because he stinks.
Next.
He wouldn't get 25 mins there
He wouldn't get 25 minutes at a mid major like Iona but "a top 25 team seems to think he is ACC worthy". Again, pick one.
He got 25 mins at a below average mid major, St Johns
Textbook trolling.
What else do you call a program who maybe makes the tournament once every 4 years? A high major powerhouse?
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Ellison sucked so bad, he only played 25 minutes a game. We need to recruit guys who don't need to improve
Does he stink or is he a great loss. You said both. Pick one.
He stinks and he is a great loss. Maybe that's the problem
The problem is that your trolling has reached mid major levels, just as has the team that you root for. Ellison would be a wonderful player at Iona, because he stinks.
Next.
He wouldn't get 25 mins there
He wouldn't get 25 minutes at a mid major like Iona but "a top 25 team seems to think he is ACC worthy". Again, pick one.
He got 25 mins at a below average mid major, St Johns
Textbook trolling.
What else do you call a program who maybe makes the tournament once every 4 years? A high major powerhouse?
St. John's is a high major, they may not be very good but doesn't change the conference they play in.
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Textbook trolling.
No, it isn't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvcnx6-0GhA
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Ellison sucked so bad, he only played 25 minutes a game. We need to recruit guys who don't need to improve
Does he stink or is he a great loss. You said both. Pick one.
He stinks and he is a great loss. Maybe that's the problem
The problem is that your trolling has reached mid major levels, just as has the team that you root for. Ellison would be a wonderful player at Iona, because he stinks.
Next.
He wouldn't get 25 mins there
He wouldn't get 25 minutes at a mid major like Iona but "a top 25 team seems to think he is ACC worthy". Again, pick one.
He got 25 mins at a below average mid major, St Johns
Textbook trolling.
What else do you call a program who maybe makes the tournament once every 4 years? A high major powerhouse?
St. John's is a high major, they may not be very good but doesn't change the conference they play in.
Ok I should rephrase. St. John's plays in a high major conference. But the program is average mid major at best. Same thinking as calling Gonzaga a mid major
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St. John's plays in a high major conference but I wouldn't consider them a high major program at the moment. You should win at a minimum 18-20 games/year and do it consistently to be considered a high major (in a power 5 conf) to me.
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St. John's plays in a high major conference but I wouldn't consider them a high major program at the moment. You should win at a minimum 18-20 games/year and do it consistently to be considered a high major (in a power 5 conf) to me.
So a Blue Blood?
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St. John's plays in a high major conference but I wouldn't consider them a high major program at the moment. You should win at a minimum 18-20 games/year and do it consistently to be considered a high major (in a power 5 conf) to me.
So a Blue Blood?
A once proud program.
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St. John's plays in a high major conference but I wouldn't consider them a high major program at the moment. You should win at a minimum 18-20 games/year and do it consistently to be considered a high major (in a power 5 conf) to me.
So a Blue Blood?
A once proud program.
I think a lot of fans have already accepted being a mid major and they don't even realize it. Which is why some are sitting here, hoping the staff lands some last minute recruits. Mid major recruits
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St. John's plays in a high major conference but I wouldn't consider them a high major program at the moment. You should win at a minimum 18-20 games/year and do it consistently to be considered a high major (in a power 5 conf) to me.
So a Blue Blood?
A once proud program.
I think a lot of fans have already accepted being a mid major and they don't even realize it. Which is why some are sitting here, hoping the staff lands some last minute recruits. Mid major recruits
What is Seton Hall and Providence to you? There is a clear middle ground that we fall into between Mid-Major and Top Tier
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St. John's plays in a high major conference but I wouldn't consider them a high major program at the moment. You should win at a minimum 18-20 games/year and do it consistently to be considered a high major (in a power 5 conf) to me.
So a Blue Blood?
A once proud program.
I think a lot of fans have already accepted being a mid major and they don't even realize it. Which is why some are sitting here, hoping the staff lands some last minute recruits. Mid major recruits
What is Seton Hall and Providence to you? There is a clear middle ground that we fall into between Mid-Major and Top Tier
Both are more consistent than St Johns in recent years. I think St Johns is closer to DePaul
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St. John's plays in a high major conference but I wouldn't consider them a high major program at the moment. You should win at a minimum 18-20 games/year and do it consistently to be considered a high major (in a power 5 conf) to me.
So a Blue Blood?
A once proud program.
I think a lot of fans have already accepted being a mid major and they don't even realize it. Which is why some are sitting here, hoping the staff lands some last minute recruits. Mid major recruits
What is Seton Hall and Providence to you? There is a clear middle ground that we fall into between Mid-Major and Top Tier
Both are more consistent than St Johns in recent years. I think St Johns is closer to DePaul
This.
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St. John's plays in a high major conference but I wouldn't consider them a high major program at the moment. You should win at a minimum 18-20 games/year and do it consistently to be considered a high major (in a power 5 conf) to me.
So a Blue Blood?
A once proud program.
I think a lot of fans have already accepted being a mid major and they don't even realize it. Which is why some are sitting here, hoping the staff lands some last minute recruits. Mid major recruits
What is Seton Hall and Providence to you? There is a clear middle ground that we fall into between Mid-Major and Top Tier
Both are more consistent than St Johns in recent years. I think St Johns is closer to DePaul
This.
Ya. The way we think about DePaul, is probably the way the rest of the college basketball world views st Johns
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Trust me I want us to be better, but we are still far away from the Depaul's of the world. In the past 7 years, we've been to the tourney twice, and the NIT twice. We've sent a number of guys to the league. We've beaten plenty of really good teams and received national attention in certain years. People still give a s*** about St. John's, as evidenced by many of the games I attended last year, including the first BE tourney game. Hell part of the reason Seton Hall fans have this complex about SJU is because SJU gets more attention having a mediocre season than the Hall does with a good one.
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Trust me I want us to be better, but we are still far away from the Depaul's of the world. In the past 7 years, we've been to the tourney twice, and the NIT twice. We've sent a number of guys to the league. We've beaten plenty of really good teams and received national attention in certain years. People still give a s*** about St. John's, as evidenced by many of the games I attended last year, including the first BE tourney game. Hell part of the reason Seton Hall fans have this complex about SJU is because SJU gets more attention having a mediocre season than the Hall does with a good one.
+1. Like Baldi, Iona hasn't won a NCAA Tournament game since 1980. St. John's has had as many Final Fours. 16 more wins. Get that mid major shit out of here. We are a rebuilding team.
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You can be a high major program, and not a very good one. As always, we are rebuilding.
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You can be a high major program, and not a very good one. As always, we are rebuilding.
+1 exactly what I am saying. We are 100% a high major we just haven't been consistently good in a very long time.
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Never understood fascination with status of the program. We are are in a major conference but except for the first few Jarvis years we have basically been a non factor nationally in every way since Louie left. Hopefully next couple years will be an aberration from that.
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This is a FAN message board right?
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This is a FAN message board right?
You guys take Bluto too seriously. As far as fans yes but it does not have to be a delusional fan forum either. We ... We have not been good.
I do think we have a decent shot to make tourney the next two years.So I am looking forward to that. Being a ST John's fan means you need to enjoy the small victories. Like Lovett staying another year and the possibility we might not stink the next two years. Don't know about anyone else but I am pumped!
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Textbook trolling.
No, it isn't.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lvcnx6-0GhA
Yes it is
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"We are the youngest team in college BB" , over and over
Like a hamster on a wheel
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This is a FAN message board right?
You guys take Bluto too seriously. As far as fans yes but it does not have to be a delusional fan forum either. We ... We have not been good.
I do think we have a decent shot to make tourney the next two years.So I am looking forward to that. Being a ST John's fan means you need to enjoy the small victories. Like Lovett staying another year and the possibility we might not stink the next two years. Don't know about anyone else but I am pumped!
Of course they take Bluto seriously. They know there is truth in what is posted
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This is a FAN message board right?
You guys take Bluto too seriously. As far as fans yes but it does not have to be a delusional fan forum either. We ... We have not been good.
I do think we have a decent shot to make tourney the next two years.So I am looking forward to that. Being a ST John's fan means you need to enjoy the small victories. Like Lovett staying another year and the possibility we might not stink the next two years. Don't know about anyone else but I am pumped!
Of course they take Bluto seriously. They know there is truth in what is posted
The sky is green, grass is blue, snow is hot, gasoline makes a refreshing summer drink, water is damp. Look, there's truth in what I posted.
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This is a FAN message board right?
You guys take Bluto too seriously. As far as fans yes but it does not have to be a delusional fan forum either. We ... We have not been good.
I do think we have a decent shot to make tourney the next two years.So I am looking forward to that. Being a ST John's fan means you need to enjoy the small victories. Like Lovett staying another year and the possibility we might not stink the next two years. Don't know about anyone else but I am pumped!
Of course they take Bluto seriously. They know there is truth in what is posted
The sky is green, grass is blue, snow is hot, gasoline makes a refreshing summer drink, water is damp. Look, there's truth in what I posted.
Foad, you doing ok? Your posts have been lacking the usual fun lately. I've noticed that they have a leash on you over on the other site. Snap out of it son
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King of deflection...
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King of deflection...
Deflecting? What would you like me to answer? Surely you won't like my answer, as I have been holding back
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Anyone who thinks Ellison's loss will hurt us next year, knows nothing about basketball.
Granted I know little about basketball but I think virtually all transfers hurt. I feel keeping players in a system for 4 or 4 plus years and continuity are key elements of most schools not named Kentucky and Kansas' success.
We've seen multiple players stink up the joint for 2 or 3 years only to explode as seniors.
Def. not happy MalikIV and Darien left. Customarily wouldn't be glad about Oedipus leaving early either but his freshmen campaign stunk on levels heretofore yet unseen so I have mixed feelings.
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5th year bigs still available that will help us?
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:2funny:
King of deflection...
Deflecting? What would you like me to answer? Surely you won't like my answer, as I have been holding back
Uh oh...Baldi has been holding back. Tell us what you really think... :2funny:
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:2funny:King of deflection...
Deflecting? What would you like me to answer? Surely you won't like my answer, as I have been holding back
Uh oh...Baldi has been holding back. Tell us what you really think... :2funny:
Nah. Timing is everything
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Rothstein:
St. John's grad transfer Darien Williams tells me he's now considering both Pitt and Nevada. Immediately eligible. #SJUBB
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Ellison is transferring to PItt per Jeff Goodman and ESPN
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Let's re-recruit D. Will......it would cap off a perfect day!!!!!!
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Let's re-recruit D. Will......it would cap off a perfect day!!!!!!
Hell yeah!
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I dont understand why we would take back Amar but wouldn't take back Williams when there is no downside.
Unless he really wants to leave because he sees no PT, we should be begging him for one last year.
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I dont understand why we would take back Amar but wouldn't take back Williams when there is no downside.
Unless he really wants to leave because he sees no PT, we should be begging him for one last year.
What makes you think he wants to return to St.John's? IDK, but it seems to me that he left because the staff really didn't think of him as a rotation player until they were desperate. I thought he showed some promise last season, but he maybe Williams thought he showed a lot more of it than the staff did? Williams leaving is odd because of the 3 guys that left, he was the one who had a surprisingly good year.
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Congrats to DWill for graduating today!
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I dont understand why we would take back Amar but wouldn't take back Williams when there is no downside.
Unless he really wants to leave because he sees no PT, we should be begging him for one last year.
What makes you think he wants to return to St.John's? IDK, but it seems to me that he left because the staff really didn't think of him as a rotation player until they were desperate. I thought he showed some promise last season, but he maybe Williams thought he showed a lot more of it than the staff did? Williams leaving is odd because of the 3 guys that left, he was the one who had a surprisingly good year.
Very surprising and disappointing as well. He would've filled a huge gap for this team next year in the post.
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He averaged about 13 minutes per game. That's not scant minutes, for a guy that was out a season prior with injury. Those are very decent minutes for a guy that's like Mr Glass... he'd be a nice contributor this year again, and have possibly been a a cog on an NCAA SJU team. I'm not sure where he's gonna go that is going to give him 20-40 minutes per game, so not sure what he's searching for? Either way, it's his choice. Be nice to have him back but seems like he's not interested. Curious to see where he goes. I'm guessing low-mid major if he's trying to get big minutes.
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Must be searching for that graduate degree program that SJU doesn't offer... that's what rule is there for right ? ;D
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Per Rothstein
St. John's grad transfer Darien Williams tells me he will visit Nevada on June 9th. Immediately eligible. #SJUBB
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Maybe he can visit us after.
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Jon Rothstein
St. John's grad transfer Darien Williams has committed to Nevada, per a source. Immediately eligible. #SJUBB
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Jon Rothstein
St. John's grad transfer Darien Williams has committed to Nevada, per a source. Immediately eligible. #SJUBB
Ouch. Never understood why he left. He wasn't Walter Berry, but he had some nice moments.
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Darien Williams dismissed from the Nevada basketball team
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Darien Williams dismissed from the Nevada basketball team
Yikes