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Title: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: paultzman on April 26, 2017, 09:19:35 PM
Per Pat Lawless
Albany City Rocks (NY) wing Nahziah Carter just picked up an offer from St. John's.

Former Dayton commit who will now prep.
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: valgoth on April 26, 2017, 09:24:29 PM
Jay-Z's nephew if I remember
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: fordham96 on April 26, 2017, 09:29:52 PM
Well there is some question of what year he will ultimately land in.  Kid has gotten a lot of late interest, his problem is most of the interest for him is for 2018 except BC has offered for 2017.  He says in this article he prefers to stay in 2017 but will prep if necessary.

https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/three-star-guard-nahziah-carter-hoping-for-more-options?utm_content=buffere6978&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

The New York native has heard from several programs since opening his recruitment back up.

“I have spoken to Georgetown, Georgia Tech, UMass, Indiana, but they don’t have any scholarships in 2017 so they are talking to me for 2018, and Boston College,” Carter said. “They are the only school to offer me so far.”

Despite just holding one scholarship offer as a member of the 2017 class, Carter has a firm understanding of how he wants things to play out.

“I plan to go to college this summer and prep school is an alternative just in case I don’t get the right fit but the plan is to go to college this summer,” he said. “I kind of want to take my time. The recruiting process is kind of tough and I don’t want to rush anything or make any bad decisions.”
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: valgoth on April 26, 2017, 10:34:35 PM
Marley Paul just reported SJU offer is for 2017 or 2018
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: QuanMan on April 26, 2017, 11:01:39 PM
“I plan to go to college this summer and prep school is an alternative just in case I don’t get the right fit but the plan is to go to college this summer,”

The much needed backup SF answer, terrific development for next year's success.
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: Poison on April 26, 2017, 11:18:04 PM
If he comes could he redshirt as a freshman?
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: mjdinkins on April 27, 2017, 01:31:05 AM
Well there is some question of what year he will ultimately land in.  Kid has gotten a lot of late interest, his problem is most of the interest for him is for 2018 except BC has offered for 2017.  He says in this article he prefers to stay in 2017 but will prep if necessary.

https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/three-star-guard-nahziah-carter-hoping-for-more-options?utm_content=buffere6978&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

The New York native has heard from several programs since opening his recruitment back up.

“I have spoken to Georgetown, Georgia Tech, UMass, Indiana, but they don’t have any scholarships in 2017 so they are talking to me for 2018, and Boston College,” Carter said. “They are the only school to offer me so far.”

Despite just holding one scholarship offer as a member of the 2017 class, Carter has a firm understanding of how he wants things to play out.

“I plan to go to college this summer and prep school is an alternative just in case I don’t get the right fit but the plan is to go to college this summer,” he said. “I kind of want to take my time. The recruiting process is kind of tough and I don’t want to rush anything or make any bad decisions.”

Georgetown, Washington, and UMass just recently offered Carter, as well.  If he's capable of helping out in '17-'18, then bring him in. 

Here's the rest of the piece posted by fordham.... 

WHAT’S NEXT?

While Carter has not been able to add as many scholarship offers as he might have liked by now, it would seem that his recruitment is due to pick up steam this spring playing on the Nike EYBL circuit.

In the meantime, Carter has an idea of what he wants in his next landing spot.

“I really just want an offense and defense that fits me well and a family environment,” Carter said. “I want to go somewhere I can enjoy myself while I am there.”

RIVALS’ REACTION

In recent years, college programs have become reliant on positionless players, prospects that can come in and do a variety of things and guard multiple spots. Seeing that high-major programs want a guy just like Carter this spring, expect for the offers to roll in and for Carter to begin his college playing career this winter.


https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/news/three-star-guard-nahziah-carter-hoping-for-more-options
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: Wods317 on April 27, 2017, 10:04:13 AM
Apparently he has tweeted a couple times saying he is 2018 so it would appear this would be for next year. That is probably better if we land him, give him another year to develop his game. His minutes this year would be very limited. With Bash gone next year he could get some decent minutes off the bench as a freshman if he does indeed come here.
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: QuanMan on April 27, 2017, 11:59:45 AM
I would like to land him or at least another SF for 2017. Right now our bench is limited and thin.

Assuming the Starting 5 is: Marcus/Shamorie/Bash/Marv/Tariq

The bench is only 4 deep at the current moment: Yakwe/Simon/Moose/Amar

9 active scholarship players! Kante makes 10. We would then need at least one more capable body. To note, not only do we not have a backup Center, we don't have a capable backup SF. Carter signing up for 17' would fill that void.
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: derk on April 27, 2017, 01:23:31 PM
I would like to land him or at least another SF for 2017. Right now our bench is limited and thin.

Assuming the Starting 5 is: Marcus/Shamorie/Bash/Marv/Tariq

The bench is only 4 deep at the current moment: Yakwe/Simon/Moose/Amar

9 active scholarship players! Kante makes 10. We would then need at least one more capable body. To note, not only do we not have a backup Center, we don't have a capable backup SF. Carter signing up for 17' would fill that void.

Yes we need Kante and a SF to round out this team.
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: goredmen on April 27, 2017, 01:28:28 PM
I would like to land him or at least another SF for 2017. Right now our bench is limited and thin.

Assuming the Starting 5 is: Marcus/Shamorie/Bash/Marv/Tariq

The bench is only 4 deep at the current moment: Yakwe/Simon/Moose/Amar

9 active scholarship players! Kante makes 10. We would then need at least one more capable body. To note, not only do we not have a backup Center, we don't have a capable backup SF. Carter signing up for 17' would fill that void.

First of all, we aren't "only" going 4 deep on the bench at the moment. 4 guys off the bench is somewhat deep for a college team.

I don't get all this we don't have a backup SF talk. When Ahmed isn't on the court, Simon can play the 3. If neither Ahmed or Simon are on the floor then Clark will play the 3. The 3 might be our most solid position this year
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: Wods317 on April 27, 2017, 01:42:29 PM
I would like to land him or at least another SF for 2017. Right now our bench is limited and thin.

Assuming the Starting 5 is: Marcus/Shamorie/Bash/Marv/Tariq

The bench is only 4 deep at the current moment: Yakwe/Simon/Moose/Amar

9 active scholarship players! Kante makes 10. We would then need at least one more capable body. To note, not only do we not have a backup Center, we don't have a capable backup SF. Carter signing up for 17' would fill that void.

First of all, we aren't "only" going 4 deep on the bench at the moment. 4 guys off the bench is somewhat deep for a college team.

I don't get all this we don't have a backup SF talk. When Ahmed isn't on the court, Simon can play the 3. If neither Ahmed or Simon are on the floor then Clark will play the 3. The 3 might be our most solid position this year

Agreed and this kid says he is 2018 and we aren't recruiting any forwards for next season as far as I know so this is the team we have.
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: Marco Baldi on April 27, 2017, 05:09:27 PM
I would like to land him or at least another SF for 2017. Right now our bench is limited and thin.

Assuming the Starting 5 is: Marcus/Shamorie/Bash/Marv/Tariq

The bench is only 4 deep at the current moment: Yakwe/Simon/Moose/Amar

9 active scholarship players! Kante makes 10. We would then need at least one more capable body. To note, not only do we not have a backup Center, we don't have a capable backup SF. Carter signing up for 17' would fill that void.

I wouldn't think Simon came here to come off the bench
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: ras on April 27, 2017, 05:26:27 PM
Don't have to worry about backup SF, because we will be playing a 3 guard lineup a lot. Lack of backup Center is another story. Also another big would allow Clark to play at the 3 at times.
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: Poison on April 27, 2017, 06:28:34 PM
Don't have to worry about backup SF, because we will be playing a 3 guard lineup a lot. Lack of backup Center is another story. Also another big would allow Clark to play at the 3 at times.

I'm not convinced we have a starting center. There is no excuse for not adding a capable big man. I don't care if it's a freshman or a grad transfer or a juco, but it's a major hole.
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: Johnny23 on April 27, 2017, 06:35:18 PM
Don't have to worry about backup SF, because we will be playing a 3 guard lineup a lot. Lack of backup Center is another story. Also another big would allow Clark to play at the 3 at times.

I'm not convinced we have a starting center. There is no excuse for not adding a capable big man. I don't care if it's a freshman or a grad transfer or a juco, but it's a major hole.

Yup. Unfortunately it's not going to get better by justifying that there is not a huge need for it on this board. The lack of rebounding and girth is going to be a major issue again next season if no immediately eligible bigs are added.
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: cjfish on April 27, 2017, 06:50:01 PM
The arrival of Simon and Clark gives us more size and rebounding.....who knows, maybe Amar will learn to box out and bound.....Our little guards all rebound well....If Kante signs that is another strong body....if Owens and Yakwe put on some weight the rebounding should be okay.  I agree that the depth is OK as is, do not need a rotation in excess of 9 players, particularly if the league directs the refs to stoop making games FT contests.  Like most college teams, questions and ifs abound. 
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: fordham96 on May 02, 2017, 11:47:40 AM
Visiting Georgetown and SJU next weekend.  My guess is SJU will push for 2017 with this kid:

http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/04/29/reclassified-wing-nahziah-carter-piling-offers/
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: MCNPA on May 02, 2017, 04:11:15 PM
Visiting Georgetown and SJU next weekend.  My guess is SJU will push for 2017 with this kid:

http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/04/29/reclassified-wing-nahziah-carter-piling-offers/

I actually think it would be good to add a talented freshman wing, with Ahmed graduating, and only 2 transfer wings right now that will benupperclassment after this season.  At this point adding Carter and possibly a guy like Rooks would be a big win.  Carter needs some time to develop anyway, and next year could be a good year for that.  I also doubt he'd scare anybody else off.  A bird in the hand...
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: jam72264 on May 03, 2017, 10:39:55 AM
https://twitter.com/_ClutchCarter/status/859767129310212096
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: wpc77 on May 03, 2017, 10:46:58 AM
https://twitter.com/_ClutchCarter/status/859767129310212096

Has to mean we are clearing space for Bamba!  Yes!
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: KJ_Django on May 03, 2017, 10:58:26 AM
Great tweet:

(http://i.imgur.com/s0hp5bt.png)
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: thetruth8734 on May 03, 2017, 11:14:40 AM
Boy this is just getting embarrassing......
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: newsman13 on May 03, 2017, 11:27:50 AM
OK...we're not blue bloods...but Bowery bums?  That's about it.
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: Wods317 on May 03, 2017, 11:32:54 AM
We don't even know why he cancelled lol. I think we are all wound a little tight and I don't blame you.
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: MCNPA on May 03, 2017, 12:05:24 PM
In bold too...
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: paultzman on May 03, 2017, 12:18:10 PM
In bold too...
Zach B
"Sounds like you can cross him off list for #sjubb"
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: Wods317 on May 03, 2017, 12:51:45 PM
We need a commitment just to turn around the perceived momentum. I personally think we are fine but would help a lot of fans off the ledge.
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: derk on May 03, 2017, 01:16:37 PM
We need a commitment just to turn around the perceived momentum. I personally think we are fine but would help a lot of fans off the ledge.

None of this makes sense. What the hell is going on ?
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: fordham96 on May 03, 2017, 01:20:51 PM
It's the staff's job to ultimately land kids and to have back up plans but I can tell you with both Kante and Carter this was not the staff being lazy or being unreasonable.  Stuff that they can't control and certain demands that are not reasonable
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: Celtics11 on May 03, 2017, 02:38:02 PM
An emphatic NO! Slam Bam Jam!  ::)
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: Marco Baldi on May 03, 2017, 03:25:56 PM
Damn, this mofo with the "SEND IT IN JEROME" HELL NO TWEET
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: MCNPA on May 03, 2017, 04:41:05 PM
Hope he signs with Georgetown so Marvin Clark can poster him..
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: Tha Kid on May 03, 2017, 04:51:05 PM
https://twitter.com/_ClutchCarter/status/859767129310212096

This is bizarre (the tweet, not our visit getting cancelled).  Did Matt send a DM to Beyonce or something to piss him off?
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: Celtics11 on May 03, 2017, 06:59:28 PM
https://twitter.com/_ClutchCarter/status/859767129310212096

This is bizarre (the tweet, not our visit getting cancelled).  Did Matt send a DM to Beyonce or something to piss him off?
There is something smelling about our recruiting lately. Maybe rival schools are spreading a rumor that Matt was having an affair with Jessica down in Florida or something.
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: Tiger on May 04, 2017, 06:20:17 AM
There is something definitely weird with our recruiting.  There must be something other coaches are pointing out to the recruits that express interest in us, that instantly gets them to drop SJU.  It is amazing.   Got to find out what it is, and fix it.
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: Marco Baldi on May 04, 2017, 07:29:01 AM
There is something definitely weird with our recruiting.  There must be something other coaches are pointing out to the recruits that express interest in us, that instantly gets them to drop SJU.  It is amazing.   Got to find out what it is, and fix it.

Not sure if our staff is liked in the college basketball world
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: Moose on May 04, 2017, 07:37:24 AM
There is something definitely weird with our recruiting.  There must be something other coaches are pointing out to the recruits that express interest in us, that instantly gets them to drop SJU.  It is amazing.   Got to find out what it is, and fix it.

Yeah

Our record for starters
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: wpc77 on May 04, 2017, 08:17:19 AM
There is something definitely weird with our recruiting.  There must be something other coaches are pointing out to the recruits that express interest in us, that instantly gets them to drop SJU.  It is amazing.   Got to find out what it is, and fix it.

Yeah

Our record for starters

Trust the process
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: gonzalo on May 04, 2017, 09:00:24 AM
Perhaps in this case (Isaac Kante too) the interest began too late.
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: derk on May 04, 2017, 09:25:11 AM
There is something definitely weird with our recruiting.  There must be something other coaches are pointing out to the recruits that express interest in us, that instantly gets them to drop SJU.  It is amazing.   Got to find out what it is, and fix it.

Not sure if our staff is liked in the college basketball world

Because ... ?
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: Marco Baldi on May 04, 2017, 09:28:59 AM
There is something definitely weird with our recruiting.  There must be something other coaches are pointing out to the recruits that express interest in us, that instantly gets them to drop SJU.  It is amazing.   Got to find out what it is, and fix it.

Not sure if our staff is liked in the college basketball world

Because ... ?

Word is out on the way Slice was treated. He is well liked
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: derk on May 04, 2017, 09:35:15 AM
In bold too...
Zach B
"Sounds like you can cross him off list for #sjubb"

So can someone get to ZB and find out what's the deal. After all,  it was he who spoke so confidently about Kante to us. Somehow we 've got to get to the bottom of these unexpected last minute turnarounds. Add Kante to the list of Briscoe, Whitehead, Heron, and probably Muhammad. I understand the reasoning for some of these but it seems like this happens more often to us then other similar schools. There's more going on then meets the eye.
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: derk on May 04, 2017, 09:41:25 AM
There is something definitely weird with our recruiting.  There must be something other coaches are pointing out to the recruits that express interest in us, that instantly gets them to drop SJU.  It is amazing.   Got to find out what it is, and fix it.

Not sure if our staff is liked in the college basketball world

Because ... ?

Word is out on the way Slice was treated. He is well liked

By admin, CM ? Why pay the guy so much money if you don't know what you are doing. And while he certainly doesn't need the money right now, I don't hear his name bandyed about for any positions. If he's so well liked, then where are the offers ?
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: wpc77 on May 04, 2017, 09:49:13 AM
There is something definitely weird with our recruiting.  There must be something other coaches are pointing out to the recruits that express interest in us, that instantly gets them to drop SJU.  It is amazing.   Got to find out what it is, and fix it.

Not sure if our staff is liked in the college basketball world

Because ... ?

Word is out on the way Slice was treated. He is well liked

By admin, CM ? Why pay the guy so much money if you don't know what you are doing. And while he certainly doesn't need the money right now, I don't hear his name bandyed about for any positions. If he's so well liked, then where are the offers ?

Need to consider the fact that, as part of the settlement with SJU, which we know was drawn out and complicated, Slice may have agreed not to pursue other jobs for a certain time period in return for a hefty check.
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: Moose on May 04, 2017, 10:11:06 AM
In bold too...
Zach B
"Sounds like you can cross him off list for #sjubb"

So can someone get to ZB and find out what's the deal. After all,  it was he who spoke so confidently about Kante to us. Somehow we 've got to get to the bottom of these unexpected last minute turnarounds. Add Kante to the list of Briscoe, Whitehead, Heron, and probably Muhammad. I understand the reasoning for some of these but it seems like this happens more often to us then other similar schools. There's more going on then meets the eye.

It's pretty simple.
Who is the most vocal member of the staff?
He tells all those who are willing to listen.  Word then spreads.
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: paultzman on May 04, 2017, 11:09:40 AM
In bold too...
Zach B
"Sounds like you can cross him off list for #sjubb"

So can someone get to ZB and find out what's the deal. After all,  it was he who spoke so confidently about Kante to us. Somehow we 've got to get to the bottom of these unexpected last minute turnarounds. Add Kante to the list of Briscoe, Whitehead, Heron, and probably Muhammad. I understand the reasoning for some of these but it seems like this happens more often to us then other similar schools. There's more going on then meets the eye.

Fwiw, apparently Kante camp wanted commitment for more minutes out of gate than SJU was willing to accommodate. Just sharing feedback from local scribe, who  is close to Moose's favorite coach. :)
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: derk on May 04, 2017, 11:21:06 AM
In bold too...
Zach B
"Sounds like you can cross him off list for #sjubb"

So can someone get to ZB and find out what's the deal. After all,  it was he who spoke so confidently about Kante to us. Somehow we 've got to get to the bottom of these unexpected last minute turnarounds. Add Kante to the list of Briscoe, Whitehead, Heron, and probably Muhammad. I understand the reasoning for some of these but it seems like this happens more often to us then other similar schools. There's more going on then meets the eye.

Fwiw, party line is Kante camp wanted commitment for more minutes out of gate than SJU was willing to accommodate. Just sharing feedback from local scribe, who  is close to Moose's favorite coach. :)

Isn't that something that would come up early on in the discussion, and not get down to a last minute decision. We should have had ( possibly still do ) backup for this situation. Again it just seems unbelievable that we can't lock up 1 big kid.
In bold too...
Zach B
"Sounds like you can cross him off list for #sjubb"

So can someone get to ZB and find out what's the deal. After all,  it was he who spoke so confidently about Kante to us. Somehow we 've got to get to the bottom of these unexpected last minute turnarounds. Add Kante to the list of Briscoe, Whitehead, Heron, and probably Muhammad. I understand the reasoning for some of these but it seems like this happens more often to us then other similar schools. There's more going on then meets the eye.

Fwiw, party line is Kante camp wanted commitment for more minutes out of gate than SJU was willing to accommodate. Just sharing feedback from local scribe, who  is close to Moose's favorite coach. :)

Isn't that something that would come up pretty early
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: fordham96 on May 04, 2017, 11:43:05 AM
In bold too...
Zach B
"Sounds like you can cross him off list for #sjubb"

So can someone get to ZB and find out what's the deal. After all,  it was he who spoke so confidently about Kante to us. Somehow we 've got to get to the bottom of these unexpected last minute turnarounds. Add Kante to the list of Briscoe, Whitehead, Heron, and probably Muhammad. I understand the reasoning for some of these but it seems like this happens more often to us then other similar schools. There's more going on then meets the eye.

It's pretty simple.
Who is the most vocal member of the staff?
He tells all those who are willing to listen.  Word then spreads.

I do find it funny when Braziller uses the term source when he discusses SJU recruiting news as if he is legitimately hiding who his source is. ..

The NCAA should pass a rule giving an exemption to certain coaches who talk to writers under the cloak of anonymity because they are not allowed to publicly be quoted on unsigned recruits    I would call the rule, "EVERYONE KNOWS WHO THE SOURCE IS SO STOP PRETENDING IT IS A SECRET" rule...
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: mjdinkins on May 04, 2017, 12:05:58 PM
In bold too...
Zach B
"Sounds like you can cross him off list for #sjubb"

So can someone get to ZB and find out what's the deal. After all,  it was he who spoke so confidently about Kante to us. Somehow we 've got to get to the bottom of these unexpected last minute turnarounds. Add Kante to the list of Briscoe, Whitehead, Heron, and probably Muhammad. I understand the reasoning for some of these but it seems like this happens more often to us then other similar schools. There's more going on then meets the eye.

Fwiw, party line is Kante camp wanted commitment for more minutes out of gate than SJU was willing to accommodate. Just sharing feedback from local scribe, who  is close to Moose's favorite coach. :)

Isn't that something that would come up early on in the discussion, and not get down to a last minute decision. We should have had ( possibly still do ) backup for this situation. Again it just seems unbelievable that we can't lock up 1 big kid.
In bold too...
Zach B
"Sounds like you can cross him off list for #sjubb"

So can someone get to ZB and find out what's the deal. After all,  it was he who spoke so confidently about Kante to us. Somehow we 've got to get to the bottom of these unexpected last minute turnarounds. Add Kante to the list of Briscoe, Whitehead, Heron, and probably Muhammad. I understand the reasoning for some of these but it seems like this happens more often to us then other similar schools. There's more going on then meets the eye.

Fwiw, party line is Kante camp wanted commitment for more minutes out of gate than SJU was willing to accommodate. Just sharing feedback from local scribe, who  is close to Moose's favorite coach. :)

Isn't that something that would come up pretty early

Not necessarily.
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: Courts603 on May 04, 2017, 01:34:53 PM
In bold too...
Zach B
"Sounds like you can cross him off list for #sjubb"

So can someone get to ZB and find out what's the deal. After all,  it was he who spoke so confidently about Kante to us. Somehow we 've got to get to the bottom of these unexpected last minute turnarounds. Add Kante to the list of Briscoe, Whitehead, Heron, and probably Muhammad. I understand the reasoning for some of these but it seems like this happens more often to us then other similar schools. There's more going on then meets the eye.

Fwiw, apparently Kante camp wanted commitment for more minutes out of gate than SJU was willing to accommodate. Just sharing feedback from local scribe, who  is close to Moose's favorite coach. :)
With all due respect to Kante, we need 4 star recruits willing to wait their turn more than 2 star who want to play right away. I'm glad we're honest with kids on how much playing time to expect.
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: derk on May 04, 2017, 01:42:18 PM
In bold too...
Zach B
"Sounds like you can cross him off list for #sjubb"

So can someone get to ZB and find out what's the deal. After all,  it was he who spoke so confidently about Kante to us. Somehow we 've got to get to the bottom of these unexpected last minute turnarounds. Add Kante to the list of Briscoe, Whitehead, Heron, and probably Muhammad. I understand the reasoning for some of these but it seems like this happens more often to us then other similar schools. There's more going on then meets the eye.

Fwiw, party line is Kante camp wanted commitment for more minutes out of gate than SJU was willing to accommodate. Just sharing feedback from local scribe, who  is close to Moose's favorite coach. :)

Isn't that something that would come up early on in the discussion, and not get down to a last minute decision. We should have had ( possibly still do ) backup for this situation. Again it just seems unbelievable that we can't lock up 1 big kid.
In bold too...
Zach B
"Sounds like you can cross him off list for #sjubb"

So can someone get to ZB and find out what's the deal. After all,  it was he who spoke so confidently about Kante to us. Somehow we 've got to get to the bottom of these unexpected last minute turnarounds. Add Kante to the list of Briscoe, Whitehead, Heron, and probably Muhammad. I understand the reasoning for some of these but it seems like this happens more often to us then other similar schools. There's more going on then meets the eye.

Fwiw, party line is Kante camp wanted commitment for more minutes out of gate than SJU was willing to accommodate. Just sharing feedback from local scribe, who  is close to Moose's favorite coach. :)

Isn't that something that would come up pretty early

Not necessarily.

I would think a teams plan for any recruit and how well that plan meets the kids needs, should be first or dam near first for both parties to discuss. It's not as if we signed someone after the time we first spoke to Kante  to compete against him.
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: mjdinkins on May 04, 2017, 02:51:49 PM
Fwiw, party line is Kante camp wanted commitment for more minutes out of gate than SJU was willing to accommodate. Just sharing feedback from local scribe, who  is close to Moose's favorite coach. :)

Isn't that something that would come up pretty early

Not necessarily.

I would think a teams plan for any recruit and how well that plan meets the kids needs, should be first or dam near first for both parties to discuss. It's not as if we signed someone after the time we first spoke to Kante  to compete against him.

Sometimes, things doesn't come into play until a player has an unofficial or official visit.  Maybe, Kante and his camp didn't start their proposal(s) 'til their official visit or afterwards.
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: paultzman on May 04, 2017, 03:26:14 PM
Fwiw, party line is Kante camp wanted commitment for more minutes out of gate than SJU was willing to accommodate. Just sharing feedback from local scribe, who  is close to Moose's favorite coach. :)

Isn't that something that would come up pretty early

Not necessarily.

I would think a teams plan for any recruit and how well that plan meets the kids needs, should be first or dam near first for both parties to discuss. It's not as if we signed someone after the time we first spoke to Kante  to compete against him.

Sometimes, things doesn't come into play until a player has an unofficial or official visit.  Maybe, Kante and his camp didn't start their proposal(s) 'til their official visit or afterwards.
+1
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: ras on May 04, 2017, 05:24:08 PM
In bold too...
Zach B
"Sounds like you can cross him off list for #sjubb"

So can someone get to ZB and find out what's the deal. After all,  it was he who spoke so confidently about Kante to us. Somehow we 've got to get to the bottom of these unexpected last minute turnarounds. Add Kante to the list of Briscoe, Whitehead, Heron, and probably Muhammad. I understand the reasoning for some of these but it seems like this happens more often to us then other similar schools. There's more going on then meets the eye.

Fwiw, apparently Kante camp wanted commitment for more minutes out of gate than SJU was willing to accommodate. Just sharing feedback from local scribe, who  is close to Moose's favorite coach. :)
With all due respect to Kante, we need 4 star recruits willing to wait their turn more than 2 star who want to play right away. I'm glad we're honest with kids on how much playing time to expect.
I think he would have been a good 4 year player and would have gotten pt. But for a player of that caliber to demand  excessive minutes as a freshman is brazen. In Mullins first year he would have gotten plenty of burn. Fortunately we have a nice core for next year.
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: NYCoffey on May 04, 2017, 07:07:11 PM

In bold too...

Someone please call Mullin on his cell because Derk needs answers.
No he demands answers. And if this is not addressed tooth sweet, heads will roll.

Go get em Derk!

Zach B
"Sounds like you can cross him off list for #sjubb"

So can someone get to ZB and find out what's the deal. After all,  it was he who spoke so confidently about Kante to us. Somehow we 've got to get to the bottom of these unexpected last minute turnarounds. Add Kante to the list of Briscoe, Whitehead, Heron, and probably Muhammad. I understand the reasoning for some of these but it seems like this happens more often to us then other similar schools. There's more going on then meets the eye.

Fwiw, party line is Kante camp wanted commitment for more minutes out of gate than SJU was willing to accommodate. Just sharing feedback from local scribe, who  is close to Moose's favorite coach. :)

Isn't that something that would come up early on in the discussion, and not get down to a last minute decision. We should have had ( possibly still do ) backup for this situation. Again it just seems unbelievable that we can't lock up 1 big kid.
In bold too...
Zach B
"Sounds like you can cross him off list for #sjubb"

So can someone get to ZB and find out what's the deal. After all,  it was he who spoke so confidently about Kante to us. Somehow we 've got to get to the bottom of these unexpected last minute turnarounds. Add Kante to the list of Briscoe, Whitehead, Heron, and probably Muhammad. I understand the reasoning for some of these but it seems like this happens more often to us then other similar schools. There's more going on then meets the eye.

Fwiw, party line is Kante camp wanted commitment for more minutes out of gate than SJU was willing to accommodate. Just sharing feedback from local scribe, who  is close to Moose's favorite coach. :)

Isn't that something that would come up pretty early

Not necessarily.

I would think a teams plan for any recruit and how well that plan meets the kids needs, should be first or dam near first for both parties to discuss. It's not as if we signed someone after the time we first spoke to Kante  to compete against him.
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: JohnnyJungle on May 04, 2017, 10:33:03 PM
There is something definitely weird with our recruiting.  There must be something other coaches are pointing out to the recruits that express interest in us, that instantly gets them to drop SJU.  It is amazing.   Got to find out what it is, and fix it.

Not sure if our staff is liked in the college basketball world

Because ... ?

Word is out on the way Slice was treated. He is well liked

No staff really likes other staffs. There are many different cliques within the coaching community.
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: prjohnnies on May 05, 2017, 12:59:21 AM
Seriously who cares if other college bball staffs don't like ours.  Cooley and Providence didn't like Lavin & Co. because we got Sampson, Obekpa and Orlando.  Getting quality players and winning games is all I care about.  Not many like Cal because he crushes everyone in the recruiting wars.  Did you see the 30 for 30 on him?
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: Celtics11 on May 05, 2017, 01:53:01 AM
Seriously who cares if other college bball staffs don't like ours.  Cooley and Providence didn't like Lavin & Co. because we got Sampson, Obekpa and Orlando.  Getting quality players and winning games is all I care about.  Not many like Cal because he crushes everyone in the recruiting wars.  Did you see the 30 for 30 on him?
Well John Chaney seems to like him.  ???
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on May 05, 2017, 09:41:20 AM
There is something definitely weird with our recruiting.  There must be something other coaches are pointing out to the recruits that express interest in us, that instantly gets them to drop SJU.  It is amazing.   Got to find out what it is, and fix it.

Not sure if our staff is liked in the college basketball world

Am sure our staff is not liked in baldi's world
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: Marco Baldi on May 05, 2017, 10:37:28 AM
There is something definitely weird with our recruiting.  There must be something other coaches are pointing out to the recruits that express interest in us, that instantly gets them to drop SJU.  It is amazing.   Got to find out what it is, and fix it.

Not sure if our staff is liked in the college basketball world

Am sure our staff is not liked in baldi's world
WhAts your take on the recruiting issues?
Title: Re: Nahziah Carter, SF, Rochester, NY
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on May 05, 2017, 11:55:20 AM
There is something definitely weird with our recruiting.  There must be something other coaches are pointing out to the recruits that express interest in us, that instantly gets them to drop SJU.  It is amazing.   Got to find out what it is, and fix it.

Not sure if our staff is liked in the college basketball world

Am sure our staff is not liked in baldi's world
WhAts your take on the recruiting issues?

As talented of a group of 8 I've seen as an sju fan.