6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: Poison on August 21, 2017, 12:01:48 AM
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Too bad. Would have been nice to see him turn into a contributor as a senior.
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Too bad. Would have been nice to see him turn into a contributor as a senior.
He'll contribute more at his new school. He's better than a practice player.
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Too bad. Would have been nice to see him turn into a contributor as a senior.
He'll contribute more at his new school. He's better than a practice player.
I'm sure he will. We can add his name to our list of transfers who coulda been something by their senior year. I cannot remember an off season where we lost so many players to transfer without a new coach coming in. And even in those cases, which are often, this off season still has more than I recall in any.
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Too bad. Would have been nice to see him turn into a contributor as a senior.
He'll contribute more at his new school. He's better than a practice player.
I'm sure he will. We can add his name to our list of transfers who coulda been something by their senior year. I cannot remember an off season where we lost so many players to transfer without a new coach coming in. And even in those cases, which are often, this off season still has more than I recall in any.
He was a walkon... let's get real.
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Too bad. Would have been nice to see him turn into a contributor as a senior.
He'll contribute more at his new school. He's better than a practice player.
I'm sure he will. We can add his name to our list of transfers who coulda been something by their senior year. I cannot remember an off season where we lost so many players to transfer without a new coach coming in. And even in those cases, which are often, this off season still has more than I recall in any.
He was a walkon... let's get real.
LOL! I was thinking the same thing. If we are counting on a walk on to contribute to the success of our team as a senior then we are in some serious doo-doo.
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Too bad. Would have been nice to see him turn into a contributor as a senior.
He'll contribute more at his new school. He's better than a practice player.
I'm sure he will. We can add his name to our list of transfers who coulda been something by their senior year. I cannot remember an off season where we lost so many players to transfer without a new coach coming in. And even in those cases, which are often, this off season still has more than I recall in any.
He was a walkon... let's get real.
LOL! I was thinking the same thing. If we are counting on a walk on to contribute to the success of our team as a senior then we are in some serious doo-doo.
Then why did they bring him here in the first place? Plenty of walk ons become valuable role players at top programs. If that wasn't the staff's plan for this kid, then shame on them. They've looked foolish fairly often this summer.
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Too bad. Would have been nice to see him turn into a contributor as a senior.
He'll contribute more at his new school. He's better than a practice player.
I'm sure he will. We can add his name to our list of transfers who coulda been something by their senior year. I cannot remember an off season where we lost so many players to transfer without a new coach coming in. And even in those cases, which are often, this off season still has more than I recall in any.
Mussini and Freudenberg went pro in Europe and did not transfer. Holified is a walk on and, at absolute best, our tenth man. Ellison is the only real offseason transfer, and we recruited over him with better players.
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First we lose a two star recruit to Iona and now a walk who scored 15 points in 52 minutes over two years is transferring. I think it's fair to say that the wheels have officially come off.
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Too bad. Would have been nice to see him turn into a contributor as a senior.
He'll contribute more at his new school. He's better than a practice player.
I'm sure he will. We can add his name to our list of transfers who coulda been something by their senior year. I cannot remember an off season where we lost so many players to transfer without a new coach coming in. And even in those cases, which are often, this off season still has more than I recall in any.
He was a walkon... let's get real.
LOL! I was thinking the same thing. If we are counting on a walk on to contribute to the success of our team as a senior then we are in some serious doo-doo.
Then why did they bring him here in the first place? Plenty of walk ons become valuable role players at top programs. If that wasn't the staff's plan for this kid, then shame on them. They've looked foolish fairly often this summer.
We brought him on because we needed to fill out the roster any which way two years ago.
Only Yakwe remains from that team (Lovett and Owens practiced). Normally, that would get me riled up too, but considering that team went 8-24, I would think we'd want turnover from that roster.
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Plenty of walk ons become valuable role players at top programs.
Define plenty.
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Too bad. Would have been nice to see him turn into a contributor as a senior.
He'll contribute more at his new school. He's better than a practice player.
I'm sure he will. We can add his name to our list of transfers who coulda been something by their senior year. I cannot remember an off season where we lost so many players to transfer without a new coach coming in. And even in those cases, which are often, this off season still has more than I recall in any.
Mussini and Freudenberg went pro in Europe and did not transfer. Holified is a walk on and, at absolute best, our tenth man. Ellison is the only real offseason transfer, and we recruited over him with better players.
No, sorry. Ellison is definitely not the only real off-season transfer. Williams played valuable minutes for us last year.
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Too bad. Would have been nice to see him turn into a contributor as a senior.
He'll contribute more at his new school. He's better than a practice player.
I'm sure he will. We can add his name to our list of transfers who coulda been something by their senior year. I cannot remember an off season where we lost so many players to transfer without a new coach coming in. And even in those cases, which are often, this off season still has more than I recall in any.
Mussini and Freudenberg went pro in Europe and did not transfer. Holified is a walk on and, at absolute best, our tenth man. Ellison is the only real offseason transfer, and we recruited over him with better players.
No, sorry. Ellison is definitely not the only real off-season transfer. Williams played valuable minutes for us last year.
True. Forgot about him. Even still - two transfers out, two transfers in (including a 6'10 former top 100 big guy with three years left).
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Plenty of walk ons become valuable role players at top programs.
Define plenty.
My name is not Google. Wanna look it up? Have at it.
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Too bad. Would have been nice to see him turn into a contributor as a senior.
He'll contribute more at his new school. He's better than a practice player.
I'm sure he will. We can add his name to our list of transfers who coulda been something by their senior year. I cannot remember an off season where we lost so many players to transfer without a new coach coming in. And even in those cases, which are often, this off season still has more than I recall in any.
He was a walkon... let's get real.
LOL! I was thinking the same thing. If we are counting on a walk on to contribute to the success of our team as a senior then we are in some serious doo-doo.
Then why did they bring him here in the first place? Plenty of walk ons become valuable role players at top programs. If that wasn't the staff's plan for this kid, then shame on them. They've looked foolish fairly often this summer.
We brought him on because we needed to fill out the roster any which way two years ago.
Only Yakwe remains from that team (Lovett and Owens practiced). Normally, that would get me riled up too, but considering that team went 8-24, I would think we'd want turnover from that roster.
Clearly, we brought the entire team in to fill out the roster, and then went on social media bragged to no end about each and every recruit.
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First we lose a two star recruit to Iona and now a walk who scored 15 points in 52 minutes over two years is transferring. I think it's fair to say that the wheels have officially come off.
In college basketball, continuity matters. Don't you agree?
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Plenty of walk ons become valuable role players at top programs.
Define plenty.
My name is not Google. Wanna look it up? Have at it.
So if you make an absurd statement that "plenty" - a word meaning among other things "a large quantity" - of walkons have made an impact at "top programs" I have to use google to discover whether your absurd statement is not false, otherwise it's true. That's quite stupid, even for someone who routinely leaves a trail of stupid rogue waves in his wake.
For non stupids, the burden of proof for an assertion is on the person making the assertion. The burden is not on the person who disbelieves the assertion to prove the absurd statement is false. Prove your statement true, else it is false.
I can think of one walk on who's made a significant impact at St John's: Andre Stanley. SJU is allegedly a top program. Anecdotal evidence suggests you're talking out your ass. Therefore you are.
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First we lose a two star recruit to Iona and now a walk who scored 15 points in 52 minutes over two years is transferring. I think it's fair to say that the wheels have officially come off.
In college basketball, continuity matters. Don't you agree?
In college basketball continuity of personnel matters. However, continuity of walk ons in collge basketball is so meaningless that to call it meaningless would render the definition of meaningless meaningless. Also continuity of the dance team and continuity of the pep band.
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Plenty of walk ons become valuable role players at top programs.
Define plenty.
My name is not Google. Wanna look it up? Have at it.
So if you make an absurd statement that "plenty" - a word meaning among other things "a large quantity" - of walkons have made an impact at "top programs" I have to use google to discover whether your absurd statement is not false, otherwise it's true. That's quite stupid, even for someone who routinely leaves a trail of stupid rogue waves in his wake.
For non stupids, the burden of proof for an assertion is on the person making the assertion. The burden is not on the person who disbelieves the assertion to prove the absurd statement is false. Prove your statement true, else it is false.
I can think of one walk on who's made a significant impact at St John's: Andre Stanley. SJU is allegedly a top program. Anecdotal evidence suggests you're talking out your ass. Therefore you are.
Duke, Louisville, Creighton and Providence have all recently had walk ons that eventually became contributors. It's a way for a coach to one, prove that he can developtalent, and it's a way to reward hard work, should there be any. Happy now?
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Plenty of walk ons become valuable role players at top programs.
Define plenty.
My name is not Google. Wanna look it up? Have at it.
So if you make an absurd statement that "plenty" - a word meaning among other things "a large quantity" - of walkons have made an impact at "top programs" I have to use google to discover whether your absurd statement is not false, otherwise it's true. That's quite stupid, even for someone who routinely leaves a trail of stupid rogue waves in his wake.
For non stupids, the burden of proof for an assertion is on the person making the assertion. The burden is not on the person who disbelieves the assertion to prove the absurd statement is false. Prove your statement true, else it is false.
I can think of one walk on who's made a significant impact at St John's: Andre Stanley. SJU is allegedly a top program. Anecdotal evidence suggests you're talking out your ass. Therefore you are.
Duke, Louisville, Creighton and Providence have all recently had walk ons that eventually became contributors. It's a way for a coach to one, prove that he can developtalent, and it's a way to reward hard work, should there be any. Happy now?
A. Name them, because I can't be arsed to figure out who they are and you're an inveterate liar. B. Who cares, four programs out of 300 in 20 years is not "plenty." C. Even if what you said was true the correct formulation would be that occasionally a walk on makes a contribution at a major program and when it happens it a fluke and D. Who cares, Holifield would get no time at St John's and good luck to him in Division Two. E. Waa.
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Plenty of walk ons become valuable role players at top programs.
Define plenty.
My name is not Google. Wanna look it up? Have at it.
So if you make an absurd statement that "plenty" - a word meaning among other things "a large quantity" - of walkons have made an impact at "top programs" I have to use google to discover whether your absurd statement is not false, otherwise it's true. That's quite stupid, even for someone who routinely leaves a trail of stupid rogue waves in his wake.
For non stupids, the burden of proof for an assertion is on the person making the assertion. The burden is not on the person who disbelieves the assertion to prove the absurd statement is false. Prove your statement true, else it is false.
I can think of one walk on who's made a significant impact at St John's: Andre Stanley. SJU is allegedly a top program. Anecdotal evidence suggests you're talking out your ass. Therefore you are.
Duke, Louisville, Creighton and Providence have all recently had walk ons that eventually became contributors. It's a way for a coach to one, prove that he can developtalent, and it's a way to reward hard work, should there be any. Happy now?
A. Name them, because I can't be arsed to figure out who they are and you're an inveterate liar. B. Who cares, four programs out of 300 in 20 years is not "plenty." C. Even if what you said was true the correct formulation would be that occasionally a walk on makes a contribution at a major program and when it happens it a fluke and D. Who cares, Holifield would get no time at St John's and good luck to him in Division Two. E. Waa.
I can see that this is really upsetting you. Maybe have a glass of water.
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Plenty of walk ons become valuable role players at top programs.
Define plenty.
My name is not Google. Wanna look it up? Have at it.
So if you make an absurd statement that "plenty" - a word meaning among other things "a large quantity" - of walkons have made an impact at "top programs" I have to use google to discover whether your absurd statement is not false, otherwise it's true. That's quite stupid, even for someone who routinely leaves a trail of stupid rogue waves in his wake.
For non stupids, the burden of proof for an assertion is on the person making the assertion. The burden is not on the person who disbelieves the assertion to prove the absurd statement is false. Prove your statement true, else it is false.
I can think of one walk on who's made a significant impact at St John's: Andre Stanley. SJU is allegedly a top program. Anecdotal evidence suggests you're talking out your ass. Therefore you are.
Duke, Louisville, Creighton and Providence have all recently had walk ons that eventually became contributors. It's a way for a coach to one, prove that he can developtalent, and it's a way to reward hard work, should there be any. Happy now?
I'd be interested to hear who those 4 players are
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this has to be a joke if anyone thought he would contribute this year.....nothing against him but
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Non-story from a basketball standpoint.
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Plenty of walk ons become valuable role players at top programs.
Define plenty.
My name is not Google. Wanna look it up? Have at it.
So if you make an absurd statement that "plenty" - a word meaning among other things "a large quantity" - of walkons have made an impact at "top programs" I have to use google to discover whether your absurd statement is not false, otherwise it's true. That's quite stupid, even for someone who routinely leaves a trail of stupid rogue waves in his wake.
For non stupids, the burden of proof for an assertion is on the person making the assertion. The burden is not on the person who disbelieves the assertion to prove the absurd statement is false. Prove your statement true, else it is false.
I can think of one walk on who's made a significant impact at St John's: Andre Stanley. SJU is allegedly a top program. Anecdotal evidence suggests you're talking out your ass. Therefore you are.
Duke, Louisville, Creighton and Providence have all recently had walk ons that eventually became contributors. It's a way for a coach to one, prove that he can developtalent, and it's a way to reward hard work, should there be any. Happy now?
I'd be interested to hear who those 4 players are
Tyler Clement from Creighton. Maye from NC. Barlow from Butler. There are others. Tim Henderson is the guy I'm thinking of from Louisville. Cameron Mills from Kentucky.
The point isn't that the team is screwed w out Holifield's 10 points this season. This team in year 3 has two players with 2 years of Big East experience. Who is the leader? Is there even one guy? Who sets the example in practice? Alivegovic? Come on guys, watch how I throw it directly to the other team's point guard. That's your senior.
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Plenty of walk ons become valuable role players at top programs.
Define plenty.
My name is not Google. Wanna look it up? Have at it.
So if you make an absurd statement that "plenty" - a word meaning among other things "a large quantity" - of walkons have made an impact at "top programs" I have to use google to discover whether your absurd statement is not false, otherwise it's true. That's quite stupid, even for someone who routinely leaves a trail of stupid rogue waves in his wake.
For non stupids, the burden of proof for an assertion is on the person making the assertion. The burden is not on the person who disbelieves the assertion to prove the absurd statement is false. Prove your statement true, else it is false.
I can think of one walk on who's made a significant impact at St John's: Andre Stanley. SJU is allegedly a top program. Anecdotal evidence suggests you're talking out your ass. Therefore you are.
Duke, Louisville, Creighton and Providence have all recently had walk ons that eventually became contributors. It's a way for a coach to one, prove that he can developtalent, and it's a way to reward hard work, should there be any. Happy now?
I'd be interested to hear who those 4 players are
Tyler Clement from Creighton. Maye from NC. Barlow from Butler. There are others. Tim Henderson is the guy I'm thinking of from Louisville. Cameron Mills from Kentucky.
The point isn't that the team is screwed w out Holifield's 10 points this season. This team in year 3 has two players with 2 years of Big East experience. Who is the leader? Is there even one guy? Who sets the example in practice? Alivegovic? Come on guys, watch how I throw it directly to the other team's point guard. That's your senior.
I'll give you Alex Barlow, but you're desperately reaching with Tyler Clement, Tim Henderson, and even Cameron Mills. Clement and Henderson didn't much of anything, other than a game here or there, during their collegiate days. Cameron Mills played two decades ago.
Luke Maye isn't your ordinary walk-on. He's a unique case. He was a top 150 player coming out of high school. He really wanted to play for UNC, as he probably had the grades (an assumption) to get into UNC, so he decided to walk-on. You're not gonna see many cases where a top 150 ball player decides to walk-on to a school.
I liked Holifield, but think you're overall reaching here with this one. If Holifield gave us something as a senior, then fine. But, if we were actually counting on him to give us something, then shame on us and our coaching staff.
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To be fair about walk-on's, if it wasn't for a walk-on ( Luke Maye) ,UNC doesn't win the national championship.
Edit: I didn't read the previous post about Maye. My bad,
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Tyler Clement from Creighton. Maye from NC. Barlow from Butler. There are others. Tim Henderson is the guy I'm thinking of from Louisville. Cameron Mills from Kentucky.
Wow that's an impressive list of plenty of players who've made an impact at top programs. I mean Tyler Clement's scored nearly 100 points in his three year career. That's amazing.
The point isn't that the team is screwed w out Holifield's 10 points this season. This team in year 3 has two players with 2 years of Big East experience. Who is the leader? Is there even one guy? Who sets the example in practice? Alivegovic? Come on guys, watch how I throw it directly to the other team's point guard. That's your senior.
I find it hard to believe that a sissy like Holifield who couldn't stand the bright lights and pressure of New York City and had to transfer to a school in some podunk midwest backwater had the stones to be team leader. Personally I'm hoping Justin Cole can step up and fill those shoes.
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Plenty of walk ons become valuable role players at top programs.
Define plenty.
My name is not Google. Wanna look it up? Have at it.
So if you make an absurd statement that "plenty" - a word meaning among other things "a large quantity" - of walkons have made an impact at "top programs" I have to use google to discover whether your absurd statement is not false, otherwise it's true. That's quite stupid, even for someone who routinely leaves a trail of stupid rogue waves in his wake.
For non stupids, the burden of proof for an assertion is on the person making the assertion. The burden is not on the person who disbelieves the assertion to prove the absurd statement is false. Prove your statement true, else it is false.
I can think of one walk on who's made a significant impact at St John's: Andre Stanley. SJU is allegedly a top program. Anecdotal evidence suggests you're talking out your ass. Therefore you are.
Duke, Louisville, Creighton and Providence have all recently had walk ons that eventually became contributors. It's a way for a coach to one, prove that he can developtalent, and it's a way to reward hard work, should there be any. Happy now?
I'd be interested to hear who those 4 players are
Tyler Clement from Creighton. Maye from NC. Barlow from Butler. There are others. Tim Henderson is the guy I'm thinking of from Louisville. Cameron Mills from Kentucky.
The point isn't that the team is screwed w out Holifield's 10 points this season. This team in year 3 has two players with 2 years of Big East experience. Who is the leader? Is there even one guy? Who sets the example in practice? Alivegovic? Come on guys, watch how I throw it directly to the other team's point guard. That's your senior.
I'll give you Alex Barlow, but you're desperately reaching with Tyler Clement, Tim Henderson, and even Cameron Mills. Clement and Henderson didn't much of anything, other than a game here or there, during their collegiate days. Cameron Mills played two decades ago.
Luke Maye isn't your ordinary walk-on. He's a unique case. He was a top 150 player coming out of high school. He really wanted to play for UNC, as he probably had the grades (an assumption) to get into UNC, so he decided to walk-on. You're not gonna see many cases where a top 150 ball player decides to walk-on to a school.
I liked Holifield, but think you're overall reaching here with this one. If Holifield gave us something as a senior, then fine. But, if we were actually counting on him to give us something, then shame on us and our coaching staff.
Again, the point is not what they contributed in terms of numbers. Where is the leadership? Who sets the example? Bashir Ahmed and Amar Alibegovic have no clue how to play defense. If Holifield were to get significant burn this season it would be because we suffered a significant injury to a guard, or because he somehow improved to the point where he deserved the minutes. Either way, we've lost yet another would be upper classmen, and THAT is the only real loss here.
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To be fair about walk-on's, if it wasn't for a walk-on ( Luke Maye) ,UNC doesn't win the national championship.
Michael Jordan didn't make his varsity team as a sophomore in high school, maybe we should recruit more JV type players.
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It's year 3, and this is a team loaded with underclassmen and our upperclassmen are new, terrible or Bashir Ahmed. A lot rides on that dude. A single transfer, any single transfer, except for maybe Scoonie Penn, isn't going to destroy any BE's team's season, but we spent the last several years complaining that Lavin couldn't develop talent. And he couldn't.
Can Mullin? Remains to be seen.
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Tyler Clement from Creighton. Maye from NC. Barlow from Butler. There are others. Tim Henderson is the guy I'm thinking of from Louisville. Cameron Mills from Kentucky.
Wow that's an impressive list of plenty of players who've made an impact at top programs. I mean Tyler Clement's scored nearly 100 points in his three year career. That's amazing.
The point isn't that the team is screwed w out Holifield's 10 points this season. This team in year 3 has two players with 2 years of Big East experience. Who is the leader? Is there even one guy? Who sets the example in practice? Alivegovic? Come on guys, watch how I throw it directly to the other team's point guard. That's your senior.
I find it hard to believe that a sissy like Holifield who couldn't stand the bright lights and pressure of New York City and had to transfer to a school in some podunk midwest backwater had the stones to be team leader. Personally I'm hoping Justin Cole can step up and fill those shoes.
He transferred to where he'd get burn. Can't blame him for that.
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Were we really looking to Holifeld to be a team leader this season? What nonsense. A team that needs a walk-on to lead it is in serious trouble.
Based on his behavior on the bench last year, it looks as though Marvin Clark will be the team's emotional leader, and I expect him to kick some ass right on the court the first time he's open on a break and one of our guards doesn't give up the ball when the situation calls for a pass.
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Were we really looking to Holifeld to be a team leader this season? What nonsense. A team that needs a walk-on to lead it is in serious trouble.
Based on his behavior on the bench last year, it looks as though Marvin Clark will be the team's emotional leader, and I expect him to kick some ass right on the court the first time he's open on a break and one of our guards doesn't give up the ball when the situation calls for a pass.
There are different kinds of leaders, but yes, a walk-on can be a leader on the team if they respect his/her work ethic. Jarvis certainly had his faults, but you gotta admit that the team was inspired by Stanley's hustle. If he had Ingram's talent, he'd have been an all BE player. He couldn't shoot the ball to save his life, but he was a tough local kid that worked hard.
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It's year 3, and this is a team loaded with underclassmen and our upperclassmen are new, terrible or Bashir Ahmed. A lot rides on that dude. A single transfer, any single transfer, except for maybe Scoonie Penn, isn't going to destroy any BE's team's season, but we spent the last several years complaining that Lavin couldn't develop talent. And he couldn't.
Can Mullin? Remains to be seen.
I second that regarding Bash Poison, I forsee a breakout year from him with added responsibility. Simon/Sid/BTrim are going to help him out a ton on the perimeter, he should see fewer defensive hedges with the added shooting and athleticism. I expect him to be a senior in every sense of the word.
Addressing this Elijah nonsense, he left to grab more minutes and how about a free ride? He loves the program and wishes the minutes were available, but unfortunately we're stacked.
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It's year 3, and this is a team loaded with underclassmen and our upperclassmen are new, terrible or Bashir Ahmed. A lot rides on that dude. A single transfer, any single transfer, except for maybe Scoonie Penn, isn't going to destroy any BE's team's season, but we spent the last several years complaining that Lavin couldn't develop talent. And he couldn't.
Can Mullin? Remains to be seen.
I second that regarding Bash Poison, I forsee a breakout year from him with added responsibility. Simon/Sid/BTrim are going to help him out a ton on the perimeter, he should see fewer defensive hedges with the added shooting and athleticism. I expect him to be a senior in every sense of the word.
Addressing this Elijah nonsense, he left to grab more minutes and how about a free ride? He loves the program and wishes the minutes were available, but unfortunately we're stacked.
We are stacked, kinda. But what happens when a couple of guards sprain an ankle and we're hosting Duke at MSG? We have ten players. That is a dangerously low number of eligible players.
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It's year 3, and this is a team loaded with underclassmen and our upperclassmen are new, terrible or Bashir Ahmed. A lot rides on that dude. A single transfer, any single transfer, except for maybe Scoonie Penn, isn't going to destroy any BE's team's season, but we spent the last several years complaining that Lavin couldn't develop talent. And he couldn't.
Can Mullin? Remains to be seen.
I second that regarding Bash Poison, I forsee a breakout year from him with added responsibility. Simon/Sid/BTrim are going to help him out a ton on the perimeter, he should see fewer defensive hedges with the added shooting and athleticism. I expect him to be a senior in every sense of the word.
Addressing this Elijah nonsense, he left to grab more minutes and how about a free ride? He loves the program and wishes the minutes were available, but unfortunately we're stacked.
We are stacked, kinda. But what happens when a couple of guards sprain an ankle and we're hosting Duke at MSG? We have ten players. That is a dangerously low number of eligible players.
There could be a localized earthquake on 34th St. and MSG could collapse, That's about as likely a scenario as the one you're positing.
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Were we really looking to Holifeld to be a team leader this season? What nonsense. A team that needs a walk-on to lead it is in serious trouble.
Based on his behavior on the bench last year, it looks as though Marvin Clark will be the team's emotional leader, and I expect him to kick some ass right on the court the first time he's open on a break and one of our guards doesn't give up the ball when the situation calls for a pass.
There are different kinds of leaders, but yes, a walk-on can be a leader on the team if they respect his/her work ethic. Jarvis certainly had his faults, but you gotta admit that the team was inspired by Stanley's hustle.
I'm not admitting anything, as that team was inspired by the hustle and overall play of Marcus Hatten. I liked Andre Stanley, and he was a good story, but the only reason he was even playing was due to Jarvis recruiting had plummeted. If Jarvis had anyone better, then Stanley probably would've saw very, limited time or been nailed to the bench.
If he had Ingram's talent, he'd have been an all BE player. He couldn't shoot the ball to save his life, but he was a tough local kid that worked hard.
If I had the size of Barry Sanders or Emmitt Smith, then I'd have played many years in the NFL. C'mon, dude! Stanley was a good story on a team with limited talent that would play tough of most occasions. Those teams were only worth watching because of Hatten and, at times, Ingram. Period.
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While Holifield may have twice beaten Mike Tyson to say he would have been a contributor with our roster and at our level would be a stretch. That being said I certainly would prefer he still be on the team but good luck to the young man in his future endeavors.
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Were we really looking to Holifeld to be a team leader this season? What nonsense. A team that needs a walk-on to lead it is in serious trouble.
Based on his behavior on the bench last year, it looks as though Marvin Clark will be the team's emotional leader, and I expect him to kick some ass right on the court the first time he's open on a break and one of our guards doesn't give up the ball when the situation calls for a pass.
There are different kinds of leaders, but yes, a walk-on can be a leader on the team if they respect his/her work ethic. Jarvis certainly had his faults, but you gotta admit that the team was inspired by Stanley's hustle. If he had Ingram's talent, he'd have been an all BE player. He couldn't shoot the ball to save his life, but he was a tough local kid that worked hard.
I think you've watched the movie Rudy too many times...
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And this is the same guy who disparages the intellect of people who live in rural parts of this country. Sort of like the pot calling the kettle black.
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While Holifield may have twice beaten Mike Tyson to say he would have been a contributor with our roster and at our level would be a stretch. That being said I certainly would prefer he still be on the team but good luck to the young man in his future endeavors.
I didn't say that he would be a contributor.
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And this is the same guy who disparages the intellect of people who live in rural parts of this country. Sort of like the pot calling the kettle black.
I don't follow you. He wanted to play. You think I'm blaming him for finding a place where he could? I think you're confused.
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And this is the same guy who disparages the intellect of people who live in rural parts of this country. Sort of like the pot calling the kettle black.
I don't follow you. He wanted to play. You think I'm blaming him for finding a place where he could? I think you're confused.
Don't shoot the messenger here, but I'm rather confident he's stating that your argument lacks any intelligence, although you like to attack the intelligence of anyone who lives in a rural part of the country.
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I didn't say that he would be a contributor.
No just that it "Would have been nice to see him turn into a contributor."
It would be nice to see you say something smart for once. Not that I'm saying you're a complete nice person, only that it would be nice if you weren't.
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Thank you MJ. You are 100% correct. Like I said Poison lacks intellect.
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While Holifield may have twice beaten Mike Tyson to say he would have been a contributor with our roster and at our level would be a stretch. That being said I certainly would prefer he still be on the team but good luck to the young man in his future endeavors.
I didn't say that he would be a contributor.
You started out with: "would have been nice to see him turn into a contributor as a senior", "coulda been something", and "Plenty of walk ons become valuable role players at top programs." At minimum, you're insinuating he would be. This, all the meanwhile knowing he was transferring to Prarie View... I think if the team masseuse left, you'd find a way to spin it as a black eye on the current staff and SJU.
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Thank you MJ. You are 100% correct. Like I said Poison lacks intellect.
Lol, you dumb shits.
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While Holifield may have twice beaten Mike Tyson to say he would have been a contributor with our roster and at our level would be a stretch. That being said I certainly would prefer he still be on the team but good luck to the young man in his future endeavors.
I didn't say that he would be a contributor.
You started out with: "would have been nice to see him turn into a contributor as a senior", "coulda been something", and "Plenty of walk ons become valuable role players at top programs." At minimum, you're insinuating he would be. This, all the meanwhile knowing he was transferring to Prarie View... I think if the team masseuse left, you'd find a way to spin it as a black eye on the current staff and SJU.
The staff is doing a great job. We won 14 games. Why would I question their judgement?
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I didn't say that he would be a contributor.
No just that it "Would have been nice to see him turn into a contributor."
It would be nice to see you say something smart for once. Not that I'm saying you're a complete nice person, only that it would be nice if you weren't.
Shouldn't you be in Arizona with your fellow Nazis?
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I didn't say that he would be a contributor.
No just that it "Would have been nice to see him turn into a contributor."
It would be nice to see you say something smart for once. Not that I'm saying you're a complete nice person, only that it would be nice if you weren't.
Shouldn't you be in Arizona with your fellow Nazis?
I wanted going to go but unfortunately it conflicted with my KKK den's planned re-enactment of the Battle of Chickamunga. Becuz someday de sout gwine rise again.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/23/10/29E320E500000578-3135820-image-a-7_1435053019578.jpg)
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I didn't say that he would be a contributor.
No just that it "Would have been nice to see him turn into a contributor."
It would be nice to see you say something smart for once. Not that I'm saying you're a complete nice person, only that it would be nice if you weren't.
Shouldn't you be in Arizona with your fellow Nazis?
I wanted going to go but unfortunately it conflicted with my KKK den's planned re-enactment of the Battle of Chickamunga. Becuz someday de sout gwine rise again.
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/06/23/10/29E320E500000578-3135820-image-a-7_1435053019578.jpg)
Finally, we agree on something. Best president of our lifetime.
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And this is the same guy who disparages the intellect of people who live in rural parts of this country. Sort of like the pot calling the kettle black.
I don't follow you. He wanted to play. You think I'm blaming him for finding a place where he could? I think you're confused.
Don't shoot the messenger here, but I'm rather confident he's stating that your argument lacks any intelligence, although you like to attack the intelligence of anyone who lives in a rural part of the country.
Actually, no. You've misunderstood as well. In no way did I insult anyone on this board for living in some midwestern trash bag in this thread. You chose to go there.
Elijah Holifield clearly wasn't recruited by many D1 programs, or he never would have walked on here. And to be clear, my disgust with trash bag cities like Cincinnati are when options like NY are available. In this case, Prairie View is Elijah's option. So good for him for taking advantage of it. For the record I would have given 3/4 of Mussini's minutes to him, but it really doesn't matter because he quit, too.
It won't matter as long as we stay healthy for the entire season even though that's never happened before. (Don't shoot the messenger)
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Finally, we agree on something. Best president of our lifetime.
I didn't mind Clinton. He was pretty unprincipled politically and except for all those women he raped he seemed like a pretty good guy..
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Presumably we will replace Holified with 1-2 walk ons with similar ability to play in practice and/or in a scenario where we have lots of injuries. The expected production between Holified and replacement walk on guard is near zero.
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Presumably we will replace Holified with 1-2 walk ons with similar ability to play in practice and/or in a scenario where we have lots of injuries. The expected production between Holified and replacement walk on guard is near zero.
Probably but the thing is we don't need to wait until we have lots of injuries. We just need two injured guards before we drop down to 8 scholarship players. A kid who knew the system, could dribble and pass a little, play some d and spell a scholarship player for 5/7 minutes in a bind might have come in handy in year 3 since we know there will be games where 8 or less guys suit up.
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Presumably we will replace Holified with 1-2 walk ons with similar ability to play in practice and/or in a scenario where we have lots of injuries. The expected production between Holified and replacement walk on guard is near zero.
Probably but the thing is we don't need to wait until we have lots of injuries. We just need two injured guards before we drop down to 8 scholarship players. A kid who knew the system, could dribble and pass a little, play some d and spell a scholarship player for 5/7 minutes in a bind might have come in handy in year 3 since we know there will be games where 8 or less guys suit up.
I think your point is that you wish we had more emergency depth. But using the Holifield departure to illustrate the point is not helping make your argument since we can almost definitely grab a comparable talent off the street to fill that role with similar effectiveness as Holifield.
As infuriating as Ellison was his first two years, I wish he stayed. He'd have a real role on this team even absent the injury doomsday scenario.
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Maybe the other two walk-on from last year will be back
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Presumably we will replace Holified with 1-2 walk ons with similar ability to play in practice and/or in a scenario where we have lots of injuries. The expected production between Holified and replacement walk on guard is near zero.
Probably but the thing is we don't need to wait until we have lots of injuries. We just need two injured guards before we drop down to 8 scholarship players. A kid who knew the system, could dribble and pass a little, play some d and spell a scholarship player for 5/7 minutes in a bind might have come in handy in year 3 since we know there will be games where 8 or less guys suit up.
I think your point is that you wish we had more emergency depth. But using the Holifield departure to illustrate the point is not helping make your argument since we can almost definitely grab a comparable talent off the street to fill that role with similar effectiveness as Holifield.
As infuriating as Ellison was his first two years, I wish he stayed. He'd have a real role on this team even absent the injury doomsday scenario.
I thought Holifield was a step up from the typical St.John's walk on and that if our staff was really made up of the basketball savants they're made out to be we'd see improvement from our guys. But not if they leave at this rate. We are a perpetually young team. Holifield is certainly less significant than Ellison, Freudenberg and Williams, but it adds up to another young team in year 3.
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Presumably we will replace Holified with 1-2 walk ons with similar ability to play in practice and/or in a scenario where we have lots of injuries. The expected production between Holified and replacement walk on guard is near zero.
Probably but the thing is we don't need to wait until we have lots of injuries. We just need two injured guards before we drop down to 8 scholarship players. A kid who knew the system, could dribble and pass a little, play some d and spell a scholarship player for 5/7 minutes in a bind might have come in handy in year 3 since we know there will be games where 8 or less guys suit up.
I think your point is that you wish we had more emergency depth. But using the Holifield departure to illustrate the point is not helping make your argument since we can almost definitely grab a comparable talent off the street to fill that role with similar effectiveness as Holifield.
As infuriating as Ellison was his first two years, I wish he stayed. He'd have a real role on this team even absent the injury doomsday scenario.
I thought Holifield was a step up from the typical St.John's walk on and that if our staff was really made up of the basketball savants they're made out to be we'd see improvement from our guys. But not if they leave at this rate. We are a perpetually young team. Holifield is certainly less significant than Ellison, Freudenberg and Williams, but it adds up to another young team in year 3.
The staff did a great job turning this walk on into a scholarship player.
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9 players smart guys.
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Bump
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Yeah. Really need Holifield tomorrow. We'll lose by 18 without him tomorrow. If he was still here maybe we'd lose by 17
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Yeah. Really need Holifield tomorrow. We'll lose by 18 without him tomorrow. If he was still here maybe we'd lose by 17
We’ve needed Holifield since early December. You think we’re gonna lose by 18? Lol. Try 40.
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We've got J Cole....
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We've got J Cole....
Maybe we could put Mitch Richmond in Trimble’s uniform?
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I'd love to see Richmond with Rick James Supefreak hair
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Yeah. Really need Holifield tomorrow. We'll lose by 18 without him tomorrow. If he was still here maybe we'd lose by 17
We’ve needed Holifield since early December. You think we’re gonna lose by 18? Lol. Try 40.
If we've had Holifield all season what would our record be? If you think it would be anything other than 0-9 you're more insane than I thought. So who cares
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Yeah. Really need Holifield tomorrow. We'll lose by 18 without him tomorrow. If he was still here maybe we'd lose by 17
We’ve needed Holifield since early December. You think we’re gonna lose by 18? Lol. Try 40.
If we've had Holifield all season what would our record be? If you think it would be anything other than 0-9 you're more insane than I thought. So who cares
I think it would be 10-11. ;)
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Yeah. Really need Holifield tomorrow. We'll lose by 18 without him tomorrow. If he was still here maybe we'd lose by 17
We’ve needed Holifield since early December. You think we’re gonna lose by 18? Lol. Try 40.
If we've had Holifield all season what would our record be? If you think it would be anything other than 0-9 you're more insane than I thought. So who cares
Is Holifield better than Alibegovic? This thread made the point, incorrectly, that Holifield was so far down on the depth chart that he didn’t even matter. Only our POS staff made it matter. For 10 to 15 minutes a game, Ponds could have been a true two.
As a junior, in my estimation, he’d have been more versatile than Trimble. He’s not a bad freshman, but he can’t handle the ball and we really could have used another ball handler.
So, yeah, it would have helped to have him. Probably 1 or 2 games would have gone our way. It’s this BS that we don’t need a walk on because a walk on is horseshit. Of course they need him. Also they need a McDonald’s AA. Yep preferably.
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Yeah. Really need Holifield tomorrow. We'll lose by 18 without him tomorrow. If he was still here maybe we'd lose by 17
We’ve needed Holifield since early December. You think we’re gonna lose by 18? Lol. Try 40.
If we've had Holifield all season what would our record be? If you think it would be anything other than 0-9 you're more insane than I thought. So who cares
Is Holifield better than Alibegovic? This thread made the point, incorrectly, that Holifield was so far down on the depth chart that he didn’t even matter. Only our POS staff made it matter. For 10 to 15 minutes a game, Ponds could have been a true two.
As a junior, in my estimation, he’d have been more versatile than Trimble. He’s not a bad freshman, but he can’t handle the ball and we really could have used another ball handler.
So, yeah, it would have helped to have him. Probably 1 or 2 games would have gone our way. It’s this BS that we don’t need a walk on because a walk on is horseshit. Of course they need him. Also they need a McDonald’s AA. Yep preferably.
Elijah Holifield makes a 2 win difference on a Big East team. We have officially reached peak stupidity around here
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This team and program reminds me of the Jets and Knicks. I'm sure the Mets would be in that same realm but I'm a Yankees fan. These friggin franchises just don't know how to build a brand that's competitive year in and year out. Sad.
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Yeah. Really need Holifield tomorrow. We'll lose by 18 without him tomorrow. If he was still here maybe we'd lose by 17
We’ve needed Holifield since early December. You think we’re gonna lose by 18? Lol. Try 40.
If we've had Holifield all season what would our record be? If you think it would be anything other than 0-9 you're more insane than I thought. So who cares
Is Holifield better than Alibegovic? This thread made the point, incorrectly, that Holifield was so far down on the depth chart that he didn’t even matter. Only our POS staff made it matter. For 10 to 15 minutes a game, Ponds could have been a true two.
As a junior, in my estimation, he’d have been more versatile than Trimble. He’s not a bad freshman, but he can’t handle the ball and we really could have used another ball handler.
So, yeah, it would have helped to have him. Probably 1 or 2 games would have gone our way. It’s this BS that we don’t need a walk on because a walk on is horseshit. Of course they need him. Also they need a McDonald’s AA. Yep preferably.
Elijah Holifield makes a 2 win difference on a Big East team. We have officially reached peak stupidity around here
Poison reached peak stupidity a long time ago!!
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Probably 1 or 2 games would have gone our way.
If Holifield is worth two wins how many is Lovett worth.
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Probably 1 or 2 games would have gone our way.
If Holifield is worth two wins how many is Lovett worth.
How many guys on our team can dribble the ball? I count two, and I’m being generous with Simon because he dribbles the ball up to his head.
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Probably 1 or 2 games would have gone our way.
If Holifield is worth two wins how many is Lovett worth.
How many guys on our team can dribble the ball? I count two, and I’m being generous with Simon because he dribbles the ball up to his head.
Non-responsive.
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Shows the depths this program has sunk to when there is all this discussion of a former walk on. Makes one nostalgic for the good old days of Andre Stanley and Phil Missere. Now those were a couple of walk ons that will live on in the pantheon of St. John's basketball.
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Probably 1 or 2 games would have gone our way.
If Holifield is worth two wins how many is Lovett worth.
I would think 3-5
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Shows the depths this program has sunk to when there is all this discussion of a former walk on. Makes one nostalgic for the good old days of Andre Stanley and Phil Missere. Now those were a couple of walk ons that will live on in the pantheon of St. John's basketball.
No Andre Stanley and we lose to Uconn at MSG.
Phil Missere wasn’t a BE player. He was overmatched by just about every opponent he faced at the D1 level. However, he worked really hard, and occasionally, although rarely helped us win a game. I think back to the Georgetown game at MSG towards the end of the miserable 04-05 season. His put back slam dunk was a key play in securing a win over a team that featured two NBA players.
Did having that walk on change the season in a significant way? Of course not. Is that what I’m claiming Holifield would have done for us. No. It’s just another example of our careless and incompetent staff.
Norm had no choice but to let Missere be part of the team. He started the season short handed, but knew that his scholarship players would get tired and need a break. Our games in the BE are usually close. After 35 minutes we are exhausted. Ponds and Simon start throwing up forced shots and turning it over. Why? Because that’s what happens when you haven’t got your legs anymore.
Having Holifield isn’t about adding a capable BE player. It would have been a serviceable guard that could have given Ponds and Simon a breather. Who gives them a breather now? Right, no one.
It’s getting pretty boring being right all the time.
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Phil played a role . He wasn’t good. But he didn’t play out of control. Imagine if Amar who is bigger, faster, and probably more skilled played like Phil?
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Phil played a role . He wasn’t good. But he didn’t play out of control. Imagine if Amar who is bigger, faster, and probably more skilled played like Phil?
Missere>AliB
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Phil played a role . He wasn’t good. But he didn’t play out of control. Imagine if Amar who is bigger, faster, and probably more skilled played like Phil?
All true. Walk ons aren’t changing the course of the season, but if we lose every single BE game and Mullin isn’t fired, we should be thrown out of the BE conference. St.John’s would deserve it.
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Probably 1 or 2 games would have gone our way.
If Holifield is worth two wins how many is Lovett worth.
I would think 3-5
If Holifield is worth two Lovett is worth eleven.
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Imagine if Amar who is bigger, faster, and probably more skilled played like Phil?
Imagine if Lavin had been spent three months touring the Riviera and had returned with a scholarship player who was significantly better than a walk on.
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Imagine if Amar who is bigger, faster, and probably more skilled played like Phil?
Imagine if Lavin had been spent three months touring the Riviera and had returned with a scholarship player who was significantly better than a walk on.
Lavin won 9 BE games his last year here. Show some respect you stupid shit.
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Show some respect
How many weeks of half time shows do you think Lavin'll miss following his mother's passing. At first I figured he'd be out until Memorial Day but then it occurred to me that he'd much rather mourn on television. Now my guess is he shows up on FS1 in a black hat, veil and dark glasses looking like Jackie Kennedy.
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Show some respect
How many weeks of half time shows do you think Lavin'll miss following his mother's passing. At first I figured he'd be out until Memorial Day but then it occurred to me that he'd much rather mourn on television. Now my guess is he shows up on FS1 in a black hat, veil and dark glasses looking like Jackie Kennedy.
It’s sad that the wrong people keep dying, but a little sauce can fix that.
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Show some respect
How many weeks of half time shows do you think Lavin'll miss following his mother's passing. At first I figured he'd be out until Memorial Day but then it occurred to me that he'd much rather mourn on television. Now my guess is he shows up on FS1 in a black hat, veil and dark glasses looking like Jackie Kennedy.
Great post loser
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Show some respect
How many weeks of half time shows do you think Lavin'll miss following his mother's passing. At first I figured he'd be out until Memorial Day but then it occurred to me that he'd much rather mourn on television. Now my guess is he shows up on FS1 in a black hat, veil and dark glasses looking like Jackie Kennedy.
Great post loser
You make a good point. Now that Lavin's parental cupard is bare he's technically an orphan so I should probably be nicer to him.
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Show some respect
How many weeks of half time shows do you think Lavin'll miss following his mother's passing. At first I figured he'd be out until Memorial Day but then it occurred to me that he'd much rather mourn on television. Now my guess is he shows up on FS1 in a black hat, veil and dark glasses looking like Jackie Kennedy.
Great post loser
You make a good point. Now that Lavin's parental cupard is bare he's technically an orphan so I should probably be nicer to him.
Put it on his Wikipedia page. Between that and your name. So pathetically funny
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Show some respect
How many weeks of half time shows do you think Lavin'll miss following his mother's passing. At first I figured he'd be out until Memorial Day but then it occurred to me that he'd much rather mourn on television. Now my guess is he shows up on FS1 in a black hat, veil and dark glasses looking like Jackie Kennedy.
Great post loser
You make a good point. Now that Lavin's parental cupard is bare he's technically an orphan so I should probably be nicer to him.
Put it on his Wikipedia page. Between that and your name. So pathetically funny
This thread sucks.
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The majority of you have lost your damn minds.