6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: RedStormNC on November 03, 2017, 09:30:07 PM
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Signed up for a one month subscription to btn2go.com for $9.95 to watch the game on Sunday.
https://twitter.com/StJohnsBBall/status/926494520342179841/photo/1
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Signed up to watch it too haha hope they use my 10 bucks as a donation.
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Clark 1-1 from 3!
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16-14 early, Shamorie and Bash leading the charge.
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A bunch of fouling (already six team fouls). 19-16, Rutgers (timeout by the Johnnies).
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Amar already checked in and contributing, whaddayaknow.
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Under 8 left in the half. We're up 20-19.
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Owens is still a foul magnet. We're up 26-20. Not sure how much time is remaining in the half.
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26-22, Johnnies. 3:32 remaining in the half. Ponds at the line for two when play resumes.
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Impressed with our toughness and defense. Yakwe brought some physicality with his minutes. Trimble, Simon and Clark all look to box out as soon as shot goes up. That’s a relief.
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31-22, Johnnies with 3 minutes before halftime.
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Justin w a huge and-1 to take the lead to 9.
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Simon is like Paris Horne on steroids.
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33-26, Johnnies with 2:12 remaining.
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Rumble In The Garden
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OTOH, Yakwe, Alibegovic and Owens all have two fouls with 2:30 left in the 1st half. #sjubb
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Yakwe now has 3 fouls. Under a minute remains before the half.
35-30, Johnnies with :55 seconds before the half.
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Rumble In The Garden
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35-30, St. John’s leads Rutgers at half. Ponds has 9 pts, Lovett has 8. Ponds has 4 assists. Simon. Lovett both have 5 tot rebounds. #sjubb
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Ponds has 9 points, 4 assists, 2 steals and no TO. LoVett with 8 points and 5 boards, Simon has 7 points and 5 rebounds for #SJUBB.
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Two fouls already on the Johnnies about a minute into the second half.
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35-34, Johnnies. Timeout by the Johnnies with 18:58 remaining.
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Love the way ponds and simon get after the offensive glass.
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5 team fouls on Rutgers after only 4 1/2 minutes of play in the second half.
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46-38, Johnnies with 15:34 remaining.
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It's the Bash & Shamorie show.
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Really just dumb foul there by LoVett. He’s better than that
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Love the way ponds and simon get after the offensive glass.
Amen.
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Justin playing ver well, really encouraging performance.
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We still have the laziest set of baseline inbounds play.
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57-51, Johnnies with 11:32 remaining.
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10 team fouls on the Johnnies.
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Exhibition or not.... This team still fouls like crazy ala a season ago.
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Not moving the ball enough on offense. More Ponds, less Ahmed.
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75-71, Rutgers with 3:41 remaining.
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Freeman is dominating this game, we have no answer for him. Darien would've been assigned to him in a perfect world.
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Turnovers have been our undoing
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SJU FT shooting poor
Interior guys are work in progress
Defense poor down the stretch
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Lovett is really sloppy & careless w/ ball sometimes
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Freeman is dominating this game, we have no answer for him. Darien would've been assigned to him in a perfect world.
Williams wouldn't have done anything with him, either.
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If we only had a real big. Ahhh.
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If we only had a real big. Ahhh.
It's more than that, if you ask me. Although, a decent big would help.
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Playing like a Brian Mahoney coached team.
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Have to keep defense honest by at least looking at the post. A few time clark or Owens had decent position and our guards ignored them. It’s one thing not to have interior scoring buts it’s a lot worse if the defense doesn’t have to respect it at all.
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LoVett and Ponds with back-to-back buckets. #SJUBB trails by one, 77-76, with less than two minutes to go.
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Ponds puts #SJUBB on top! 78-77 Johnnies with 1:05 to go. Sophomore now with 25, 7 rebounds, 6 assists!
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Ponds is a pro at any height.
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Thanks for the updates Mj
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They're going to bleed the clock.
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Tied ballgame (78 all) with :18 seconds left. Rutgers' has the ball.
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Thanks for the updates Mj
You're welcome.
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I don’t care what the hell it takes, ponds needs the ball there!
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Havnt heard much about Clark. How did he play?
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I don’t care what the hell it takes, ponds needs the ball there!
+1
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Lot to look forward to. Hopefully this helps the team in long run. With that said, blew that one.
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This board should be fun the next few days
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26-8 Rutgers run a problem. D porous in second half w Rutgers shooting 68%
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The only thing I can say is the Big East isn’t as physical as the Big Ten. But we shouldn’t have lost this game.
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Same team as last year. Everyone knew what they needed to bring in to be successful and they came up empty. Poor defense, poor rebounding, and poor coaching. Lucky to be 500.
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This board should be fun the next few days
Let me get it started. We lost to a team picked last in their conference. Last of 14 teams. We have some good players, we are getting more good players. Means nothing without good coaching and stubborn arrogant Mullin refuses to hire a veteran X and O's coach.
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This board should be fun the next few days
Same people who aren’t excited for the season will be the ones worried about a road loss to Rutgers. If you think we should have won this game (which we should have) then you should have high hopes for the season.
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Lot to look forward to. Hopefully this helps the team in long run. With that said, blew that one.
Hope they just needed a reality check. Getting bullied by an undersized PF and the opponent's 2nd half FG% have to be anomalies or we'll have a lot of tough nights.
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This board should be fun the next few days
Same people who aren’t excited for the season will be the ones worried about a road loss to Rutgers. If you think we should have won this game (which we should have) then you should have high hopes for the season.
Not saying I agree or disagree with the upcoming panic, but should be fun nonetheless
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What was final score?
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the ;last 6 or 7 minutes was like a root canal without painkiller
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Yakwe was non-existent... Amar is Amar and that combo cannot contribute when Owens continues to be easy foul prone.
No amount of gang rebounding can compensate for lack of interior and a few blocks doesn't cut it
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This board should be fun the next few days
5 days of torture on here before Friday.
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yikes. good thing this game did not count.
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Yakwe was non-existent... Amar is Amar and that combo cannot contribute when Owens continues to be easy foul prone.
No amount of gang rebounding can compensate for lack of interior and a few blocks doesn't cut it
I've been wanting Mullin to employ a zone early in his tenure. Fast forward two years later, and I'm still wishing the same. He doesn't have to totally divert from playing man defense, but use a couple type of zone defenses to give different looks and take advantage of our quickness and length of Owens and Yakwe.
It might take us out of position on rebounds, but our bigs doesn't do well on the boards anyhow. It'll also protect us from fouling so frequently. Maybe, he unleashes a zone once the season starts. Who knows?!
Hopefully, things we saw a season ago are soon cleaned up. Just keep pushing forward and become better throughout the season.
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I have to agree with Dinkins, using some zone seems like such an obvious move to help protect our frontcourt. As you say, perhaps Mullin is waiting till the regular season to use it. But even that strategy doesn't make a ton of sense to me.
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If we only had a real big. Ahhh.
It's more than that, if you ask me. Although, a decent big would help.
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It is more than that, I agree, but their lack of a real big down low is a major area of concern.
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Box score
https://twitter.com/adamzagoria/status/927267170622541825
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Very glad this game was scheduled. If the team can learn from this without it costing a loss......that makes it worthwhile. Along with some obvious problems (mostly correctable), there were a lot of positive today.
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Very glad this game was scheduled. If the team can learn from this without it costing a loss......that makes it worthwhile. Along with some obvious problems (mostly correctable), there were a lot of positive today.
I, totally agree. That is IF they learn from it and correct things.
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Angel Delgado is going to eat our bigs lunch. And steal their bitches
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Angel Delgado is going to eat our bigs lunch. And steal their bitches
Maybe.... Last season, he did it at Seton Hall. But, he was stymied at MSG.
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If we didnt learn from last year I'm not convinced we will learn from today
We are going to need to score a lot of points
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If we didnt learn from last year I'm not convinced we will learn from today
We are going to need to score a lot of points
Yup, and certainly not going to learn in a week
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post game quotes from Mullin
Post Game Quotes from Mullin
http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/110517aab.html
Head Coach Chris Mullin
On his takeaways from game at Rutgers:
"Well it's all stuff that we've been working on: rebounding, individual defense, shrinking the floor. This was a really good game for us to get out and do some good things. We built a nice lead in the second half, but then got a little lackadaisical and they capitalized. It was something that we can't emulate in practice, so it was good."
On the second half of the game:
"Offensively we were fine. I think we did a pretty good job on offense. We had a few unforced turnovers, but I'm really not concerned about our team offensively. It's really just maintaining our presence defensively. First and foremost, taking on the individual challenge and then sticking to our team principle."
On the game as a whole:
"I thought we just let up defensively in the second half as a team. They shot 68 percent in the second half, so I thought that was probably the biggest thing. In the beginning I thought both teams played pretty hard, but in the second half their physically got the best of us."
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/11/05/st-johns-guards-going-problem-rest-big-east/
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No need to overthink it. They treated this game like it didn’t matter. Actually it didn’t. My only real criticism is for the staff. Those arrogant pricks really f’d this season. At least Lavin worked for 3 years before he stopped trying.
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No need to overthink it. They treated this game like it didn’t matter. Actually it didn’t. My only real criticism is for the staff. Those arrogant pricks really f’d this season. At least Lavin worked for 3 years before he stopped trying.
What are you talking about?
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Obviously not the result you want but in the end the game doesn't count and we are 0-0. Hopefully they learn from it. Team has talent but has holes also. We can beat a lot of good teams or lose to some bad teams if we don't sharpen up.
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Same team as last year. Everyone knew what they needed to bring in to be successful and they came up empty. Poor defense, poor rebounding, and poor coaching. Lucky to be 500.
Glad I missed it. Why would anything be different? No changes were made.
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No need to overthink it. They treated this game like it didn’t matter. Actually it didn’t. My only real criticism is for the staff. Those arrogant pricks really f’d this season. At least Lavin worked for 3 years before he stopped trying.
What are you talking about?
The team doesn’t have enough players, and that 100% the fault of the staff.
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No need to overthink it. They treated this game like it didn’t matter. Actually it didn’t. My only real criticism is for the staff. Those arrogant pricks really f’d this season. At least Lavin worked for 3 years before he stopped trying.
What are you talking about?
The team doesn’t have enough players, and that 100% the fault of the staff.
The fact they don't have one or two more bulky, taller players on the team for this season - i agree with you there. That is disappointing. But to call them arrogant pricks that have stopped trying is a bit much.
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Did the reason darrian Williams transfer come out?
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He graduated dude, he wanted to move on.
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It's preseason. They were most likely tinkering with a lot of things and winning probably wasn't even the top priority. I'm not too concerned.
However, I will say, the inability to recruit somebody, anybody to improve our rebounding and interior defense is going to haunt us all season.
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He graduated dude, he wanted to move on.
For a chance to play in the tournament
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No need to overthink it. They treated this game like it didn’t matter. Actually it didn’t. My only real criticism is for the staff. Those arrogant pricks really f’d this season. At least Lavin worked for 3 years before he stopped trying.
What are you talking about?
The team doesn’t have enough players, and that 100% the fault of the staff.
The fact they don't have one or two more bulky, taller players on the team for this season - i agree with you there. That is disappointing. But to call them arrogant pricks that have stopped trying is a bit much.
They are arrogant because they didn’t bother to work harder. They don’t have enough players and that’s when they are healthy. Adding a big man wasn’t a luxury. They don’t have one big man. Adding just one would still make them arrogant pricks. They needed at minimum 2.
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No need to overthink it. They treated this game like it didn’t matter. Actually it didn’t. My only real criticism is for the staff. Those arrogant pricks really f’d this season. At least Lavin worked for 3 years before he stopped trying.
What are you talking about?
The team doesn’t have enough players, and that 100% the fault of the staff.
The fact they don't have one or two more bulky, taller players on the team for this season - i agree with you there. That is disappointing. But to call them arrogant pricks that have stopped trying is a bit much.
They are arrogant because they didn’t bother to work harder. They don’t have enough players and that’s when they are healthy. Adding a big man wasn’t a luxury. They don’t have one big man. Adding just one would still make them arrogant pricks. They needed at minimum 2.
At least you are letting any new posters know who the resident insane person is around here
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No need to overthink it. They treated this game like it didn’t matter. Actually it didn’t. My only real criticism is for the staff. Those arrogant pricks really f’d this season. At least Lavin worked for 3 years before he stopped trying.
What are you talking about?
The team doesn’t have enough players, and that 100% the fault of the staff.
The fact they don't have one or two more bulky, taller players on the team for this season - i agree with you there. That is disappointing. But to call them arrogant pricks that have stopped trying is a bit much.
They are arrogant because they didn’t bother to work harder. They don’t have enough players and that’s when they are healthy. Adding a big man wasn’t a luxury. They don’t have one big man. Adding just one would still make them arrogant pricks. They needed at minimum 2.
I would've taken the JUCO big (Scekic) just as a space eater and give us about 10-15 minutes a game.
We wasn't guaranteed to land him, but we no longer pursued Hasahn French once we received a commitment from Zach Brown. French is a bit undersized at 6'7", but he has good size and plays bigger than his height. He's also rugged. Lunch pail/blue-collar kid. We could use a kid like that on our roster.
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No need to overthink it. They treated this game like it didn’t matter. Actually it didn’t. My only real criticism is for the staff. Those arrogant pricks really f’d this season. At least Lavin worked for 3 years before he stopped trying.
What are you talking about?
The team doesn’t have enough players, and that 100% the fault of the staff.
The fact they don't have one or two more bulky, taller players on the team for this season - i agree with you there. That is disappointing. But to call them arrogant pricks that have stopped trying is a bit much.
They are arrogant because they didn’t bother to work harder. They don’t have enough players and that’s when they are healthy. Adding a big man wasn’t a luxury. They don’t have one big man. Adding just one would still make them arrogant pricks. They needed at minimum 2.
At least you are letting any new posters know who the resident insane person is around here
I hear ya, except instead of insane, try spot on accurate. Because I’m spot on accurate.
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No need to overthink it. They treated this game like it didn’t matter. Actually it didn’t. My only real criticism is for the staff. Those arrogant pricks really f’d this season. At least Lavin worked for 3 years before he stopped trying.
What are you talking about?
The team doesn’t have enough players, and that 100% the fault of the staff.
The fact they don't have one or two more bulky, taller players on the team for this season - i agree with you there. That is disappointing. But to call them arrogant pricks that have stopped trying is a bit much.
They are arrogant because they didn’t bother to work harder. They don’t have enough players and that’s when they are healthy. Adding a big man wasn’t a luxury. They don’t have one big man. Adding just one would still make them arrogant pricks. They needed at minimum 2.
I would've taken the JUCO big (Scekic) just as a space eater and give us about 10-15 minutes a game.
We wasn't guaranteed to land him, but we no longer pursued Hasahn French once we received a commitment from Zach Brown. French is a bit undersized at 6'7", but he has good size and plays bigger than his height. He's also rugged. Lunch pail/blue-collar kid. We could use a kid like that on our roster.
You're right on French. The staff messed up bigtime with that situation and criticism there is very warranted.
Just because we are light up front doesn't mean we have to take on a kid that can't play just because he's 7'2. That Scekic dude would not have helped us this year. 7'2 dudes that can't move and have no skills are much bigger liabilities on the court than a 6'7 athletic guy that is forced into playing the 5.
To me, it is fair to criticize the staff for not getting another much needed big. But there are a finite amount of them out there that can play at this level and just throwing a dude on the court just because he's big would have negative results.
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No need to overthink it. They treated this game like it didn’t matter. Actually it didn’t. My only real criticism is for the staff. Those arrogant pricks really f’d this season. At least Lavin worked for 3 years before he stopped trying.
What are you talking about?
The team doesn’t have enough players, and that 100% the fault of the staff.
The fact they don't have one or two more bulky, taller players on the team for this season - i agree with you there. That is disappointing. But to call them arrogant pricks that have stopped trying is a bit much.
They are arrogant because they didn’t bother to work harder. They don’t have enough players and that’s when they are healthy. Adding a big man wasn’t a luxury. They don’t have one big man. Adding just one would still make them arrogant pricks. They needed at minimum 2.
At least you are letting any new posters know who the resident insane person is around here
I hear ya, except instead of insane, try spot on accurate. Because I’m spot on accurate.
Nah, I'll stick with insane
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USF had exhibition vs. Flagler and won 94-66.
Skecic played 14 minutes. 4 pts , 3 rebounds, 1 blk, 1 stl, 2 to's
Maybe he would have gotten eaten by Freeman too.
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No need to overthink it. They treated this game like it didn’t matter. Actually it didn’t. My only real criticism is for the staff. Those arrogant pricks really f’d this season. At least Lavin worked for 3 years before he stopped trying.
What are you talking about?
The team doesn’t have enough players, and that 100% the fault of the staff.
The fact they don't have one or two more bulky, taller players on the team for this season - i agree with you there. That is disappointing. But to call them arrogant pricks that have stopped trying is a bit much.
They are arrogant because they didn’t bother to work harder. They don’t have enough players and that’s when they are healthy. Adding a big man wasn’t a luxury. They don’t have one big man. Adding just one would still make them arrogant pricks. They needed at minimum 2.
I would've taken the JUCO big (Scekic) just as a space eater and give us about 10-15 minutes a game.
We wasn't guaranteed to land him, but we no longer pursued Hasahn French once we received a commitment from Zach Brown. French is a bit undersized at 6'7", but he has good size and plays bigger than his height. He's also rugged. Lunch pail/blue-collar kid. We could use a kid like that on our roster.
You're right on French. The staff messed up bigtime with that situation and criticism there is very warranted.
Just because we are light up front doesn't mean we have to take on a kid that can't play just because he's 7'2. That Scekic dude would not have helped us this year. 7'2 dudes that can't move and have no skills are much bigger liabilities on the court than a 6'7 athletic guy that is forced into playing the 5.
To me, it is fair to criticize the staff for not getting another much needed big. But there are a finite amount of them out there that can play at this level and just throwing a dude on the court just because he's big would have negative results.
If the 7 2 dude was a grad student, 1 year investment I would say go for it , but not worth wasting a scholy on him for next year. That said, we should have been able to get a competent big for his year.
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No need to overthink it. They treated this game like it didn’t matter. Actually it didn’t. My only real criticism is for the staff. Those arrogant pricks really f’d this season. At least Lavin worked for 3 years before he stopped trying.
What are you talking about?
The team doesn’t have enough players, and that 100% the fault of the staff.
The fact they don't have one or two more bulky, taller players on the team for this season - i agree with you there. That is disappointing. But to call them arrogant pricks that have stopped trying is a bit much.
They are arrogant because they didn’t bother to work harder. They don’t have enough players and that’s when they are healthy. Adding a big man wasn’t a luxury. They don’t have one big man. Adding just one would still make them arrogant pricks. They needed at minimum 2.
I would've taken the JUCO big (Scekic) just as a space eater and give us about 10-15 minutes a game.
We wasn't guaranteed to land him, but we no longer pursued Hasahn French once we received a commitment from Zach Brown. French is a bit undersized at 6'7", but he has good size and plays bigger than his height. He's also rugged. Lunch pail/blue-collar kid. We could use a kid like that on our roster.
You're right on French. The staff messed up bigtime with that situation and criticism there is very warranted.
Just because we are light up front doesn't mean we have to take on a kid that can't play just because he's 7'2. That Scekic dude would not have helped us this year. 7'2 dudes that can't move and have no skills are much bigger liabilities on the court than a 6'7 athletic guy that is forced into playing the 5.
To me, it is fair to criticize the staff for not getting another much needed big. But there are a finite amount of them out there that can play at this level and just throwing a dude on the court just because he's big would have negative results.
If the 7 2 dude was a grad student, 1 year investment I would say go for it , but not worth wasting a scholy on him for next year. That said, we should have been able to get a competent big for his year.
Agree the staff should have closed on a competent big to help this year, key word being competent. I don't think the reason they didn't was because of lack of effort of thinking that we didn't need one though.
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Agree...but our issue is we don't seem to have much in the way on big men next year.
Amar's size gets swapped w/ Keita, and Bashir for Roberts/Diakite (both 185-205 range (
Aside from Jordan Brown (200 range) and unlikely, we still need to work tirelessly to lure a few warm halfway decent bodies here
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No need to overthink it. They treated this game like it didn’t matter. Actually it didn’t. My only real criticism is for the staff. Those arrogant pricks really f’d this season. At least Lavin worked for 3 years before he stopped trying.
What are you talking about?
The team doesn’t have enough players, and that 100% the fault of the staff.
The fact they don't have one or two more bulky, taller players on the team for this season - i agree with you there. That is disappointing. But to call them arrogant pricks that have stopped trying is a bit much.
They are arrogant because they didn’t bother to work harder. They don’t have enough players and that’s when they are healthy. Adding a big man wasn’t a luxury. They don’t have one big man. Adding just one would still make them arrogant pricks. They needed at minimum 2.
I would've taken the JUCO big (Scekic) just as a space eater and give us about 10-15 minutes a game.
We wasn't guaranteed to land him, but we no longer pursued Hasahn French once we received a commitment from Zach Brown. French is a bit undersized at 6'7", but he has good size and plays bigger than his height. He's also rugged. Lunch pail/blue-collar kid. We could use a kid like that on our roster.
You're right on French. The staff messed up bigtime with that situation and criticism there is very warranted.
Just because we are light up front doesn't mean we have to take on a kid that can't play just because he's 7'2. That Scekic dude would not have helped us this year. 7'2 dudes that can't move and have no skills are much bigger liabilities on the court than a 6'7 athletic guy that is forced into playing the 5.
To me, it is fair to criticize the staff for not getting another much needed big. But there are a finite amount of them out there that can play at this level and just throwing a dude on the court just because he's big would have negative results.
If the 7 2 dude was a grad student, 1 year investment I would say go for it , but not worth wasting a scholy on him for next year. That said, we should have been able to get a competent big for his year.
Agree the staff should have closed on a competent big to help this year, key word being competent. I don't think the reason they didn't was because of lack of effort of thinking that we didn't need one though.
This is a new staff learning on the job. They don’t know what they’re doing. Still, it’s no dumber than the rest of the terrible hires they’ve made since 1992.
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Agree...but our issue is we don't seem to have much in the way on big men next year.
Amar's size gets swapped w/ Keita, and Bashir for Roberts/Diakite (both 185-205 range (
Aside from Jordan Brown (200 range) and unlikely, we still need to work tirelessly to lure a few warm halfway decent bodies here
The staff knows they need bigs for the future which is why they pursued and landed Keita. He's as close to a true big as it gets in today's college basketball landscape. I think he's more of a solid depth big than a starting 5 and hopefully thats what his role will be here starting next year.
I would guess the staff will continue to be aggressive in the transfer market. Hopefully there will be a grad transfer big out there interested in coming here that we can plug in right away. I know we had hoped that the last couple years and it didn't happen but we did have a hook on that Livingston kid until the higher ups nixed it.
We'll see. The staff knows we need bigs and aren't being lazy when trying to land them. For this year, just have to hope that the staff can figure out a way to overcome our limitations up front
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This is a new staff learning on the job. They don’t know what they’re doing. Still, it’s no dumber than the rest of the terrible hires they’ve made since 1992.
Are you saying the staff isn't smart enough to see what literally everybody else can see about this team?
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USF had exhibition vs. Flagler and won 94-66.
Skecic played 14 minutes. 4 pts , 3 rebounds, 1 blk, 1 stl, 2 to's
Maybe he would have gotten eaten by Freeman too.
I'm not sure your latter quote was tongue in cheek, but my point is having someone who can give us a decent 10-15 minutes per outing.
You're right on French. The staff messed up bigtime with that situation and criticism there is very warranted.
Just because we are light up front doesn't mean we have to take on a kid that can't play just because he's 7'2. That Scekic dude would not have helped us this year. 7'2 dudes that can't move and have no skills are much bigger liabilities on the court than a 6'7 athletic guy that is forced into playing the 5.
To me, it is fair to criticize the staff for not getting another much needed big. But there are a finite amount of them out there that can play at this level and just throwing a dude on the court just because he's big would have negative results.
https://twitter.com/BigNik_41/status/827311873494118400
https://twitter.com/BigNik_41/status/851231524678758400
He's no elite athlete by no means, but he moves just as well as Amar (and, he's 5 or 6 inches taller than Amar). He's no game changer, but he doesn't look like a lummox, either.
If the 7 2 dude was a grad student, 1 year investment I would say go for it , but not worth wasting a scholy on him for next year. That said, we should have been able to get a competent big for his year.
You recruit over him, if that's the case. Either, he sticks it out and fight for time or be fine with very minimal time. Or, transfer.
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Agree...but our issue is we don't seem to have much in the way on big men next year.
Amar's size gets swapped w/ Keita, and Bashir for Roberts/Diakite (both 185-205 range (
Aside from Jordan Brown (200 range) and unlikely, we still need to work tirelessly to lure a few warm halfway decent bodies here
Keita was a top 100 recruit. Much better B.B. player than Amar, will help a lot.
The staff knows they need bigs for the future which is why they pursued and landed Keita. He's as close to a true big as it gets in today's college basketball landscape. I think he's more of a solid depth big than a starting 5 and hopefully thats what his role will be here starting next year.
I would guess the staff will continue to be aggressive in the transfer market. Hopefully there will be a grad transfer big out there interested in coming here that we can plug in right away. I know we had hoped that the last couple years and it didn't happen but we did have a hook on that Livingston kid until the higher ups nixed it.
We'll see. The staff knows we need bigs and aren't being lazy when trying to land them. For this year, just have to hope that the staff can figure out a way to overcome our limitations up front
Keita was a top 100 player. Much better B.B. player than Amat , will help a lot.
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This is a new staff learning on the job. They don’t know what they’re doing. Still, it’s no dumber than the rest of the terrible hires they’ve made since 1992.
Are you saying the staff isn't smart enough to see what literally everybody else can see about this team?
Yes
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I'm glad they lost. They would have won at home, but now they get a tough week of practice to learn from.
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Did Clark come here to shoot the 3s Izzo wouldn't let him? only 2 games, but he's been overly reliant on the deep ball, and shooting it poorly even when wide open.
Followed up his 14 bounds against D2 with an invisible game against Rutgers. He may be a bit undersized, but this team needs him to mix it up down low and rebound.
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Obviously one scrimmage means nada.
Plus side - clearly the three guards are very, very good & will cause a lot of problems for most opponents.
Potential negative - the undersized front court guys have to overachieve on both ends of court & in particular avoid domination by bigs with size. Having to help on the post too often usually results in kick outs & open threes. Agree with Dink's suggestion re zone utilization at times as well.
Without the latter, this team will have its ups and downs. To me, it is critical to fare well in early out of conference games v some solid teams. To stumble there would warrant doing very well in BE schedule, a daunting task. Build momentum early & go into conference play feeling good seems a path to post season opportunities.
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Yakwe looked better I thought he was just marred with foul trouble (1 or 2 were real BS calls) he had 4 rebounds 2 blocks in 11 minutes. As was Clark who sat most of the key parts of the second half before then fouling out before the game was over.
I can and can't believe there would be this much backlash losing a freaking charity game.
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https://youtu.be/Tpkp4cWARRY
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Guards need to score over 50 points a game if this team wants to go anywhere
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Guards need to score over 50 points a game if this team wants to go anywhere
They will.
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Guards need to score over 50 points a game if this team wants to go anywhere
Offense won't be the problem
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Our offense is going to be fantastic. We have 3 guards who can kill it out there and some good wings, and PF as well. Our main problem was second half defense. Our offense is going to give poeple trouble. I'm still a fan of mixing some zone in there, if our man-d is faltering but I sense it won't happen. We will go as far as our defense takes us this year. It has to improve.
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A big part of any offense is the ability to pay a two man game. Unfortunately we lack any interior player to fit this role. This restricts the guard play which is the nucleus of our offense. I agree with the sane guy who said the inability to bring in serviceable big will haunt us all year
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Good to have the season back and to read this very spirited and thoughtful opinion site. Not much has changed in fan attitude in the 66 years I have been tuning in. On the lack of big guys, I watched Maryland, with a similar sized team to StJ this year, play several games in the NCAA the year they won it all, (12 years ago?) It's not the size of the dog; it's the fight in the dog that counts. We will be better than last year and that's improvement. Further, our kids graduate and there is no chance of cheating not even a little bit, once again.. I want to "win it all" but I'm happy we are re-growing.
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A big part of any offense is the ability to pay a two man game. Unfortunately we lack any interior player to fit this role. This restricts the guard play which is the nucleus of our offense. I agree with the sane guy who said the inability to bring in serviceable big will haunt us all year
Thank you.
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Good to have the season back and to read this very spirited and thoughtful opinion site. Not much has changed in fan attitude in the 66 years I have been tuning in. On the lack of big guys, I watched Maryland, with a similar sized team to StJ this year, play several games in the NCAA the year they won it all, (12 years ago?) It's not the size of the dog; it's the fight in the dog that counts. We will be better than last year and that's improvement. Further, our kids graduate and there is no chance of cheating not even a little bit, once again.. I want to "win it all" but I'm happy we are re-growing.
It was 16 years ago, and you can't be serious, per your comparison.
Tahj Holden and Chris Wilcox were both 6'10 and decently built.
Lonny Baxter was 6'7" 260 lbs. He was also a legitimate low post player. Our frontcourt in NO WAY resembles Maryland's frontcourt during their championship season.
If we had a similar frontcourt to go with our current backcourt, then we'd likely be amongst the top 10 teams (or higher) in the country, this season.
No similarities whatsoever.
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Good to have the season back and to read this very spirited and thoughtful opinion site. Not much has changed in fan attitude in the 66 years I have been tuning in. On the lack of big guys, I watched Maryland, with a similar sized team to StJ this year, play several games in the NCAA the year they won it all, (12 years ago?) It's not the size of the dog; it's the fight in the dog that counts. We will be better than last year and that's improvement. Further, our kids graduate and there is no chance of cheating not even a little bit, once again.. I want to "win it all" but I'm happy we are re-growing.
It was 16 years ago, and you can't be serious, per your comparison.
Tahj Holden and Chris Wilcox were both 6'10 and decently built.
Lonny Baxter was 6'7" 260 lbs. He was also a legitimate low post player. Our frontcourt in NO WAY resembles Maryland's frontcourt during their championship season.
If we had a similar frontcourt to go with our current backcourt, then we'd likely be amongst the top 10 teams (or higher) in the country, this season.
No similarities whatsoever.
Thanks mj, beat me to it.
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Not trying to beat a dead horse that Maryland team had Gary Williams also
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Good to have the season back and to read this very spirited and thoughtful opinion site. Not much has changed in fan attitude in the 66 years I have been tuning in. On the lack of big guys, I watched Maryland, with a similar sized team to StJ this year, play several games in the NCAA the year they won it all, (12 years ago?) It's not the size of the dog; it's the fight in the dog that counts. We will be better than last year and that's improvement. Further, our kids graduate and there is no chance of cheating not even a little bit, once again.. I want to "win it all" but I'm happy we are re-growing.
It was 16 years ago, and you can't be serious, per your comparison.
Tahj Holden and Chris Wilcox were both 6'10 and decently built.
Lonny Baxter was 6'7" 260 lbs. He was also a legitimate low post player. Our frontcourt in NO WAY resembles Maryland's frontcourt during their championship season.
If we had a similar frontcourt to go with our current backcourt, then we'd likely be amongst the top 10 teams (or higher) in the country, this season.
No similarities whatsoever.
Thanks mj, beat me to it.
Yeah, but the Golden State Warriors don't really play with a traditional center! :-)
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Good to have the season back and to read this very spirited and thoughtful opinion site. Not much has changed in fan attitude in the 66 years I have been tuning in. On the lack of big guys, I watched Maryland, with a similar sized team to StJ this year, play several games in the NCAA the year they won it all, (12 years ago?) It's not the size of the dog; it's the fight in the dog that counts. We will be better than last year and that's improvement. Further, our kids graduate and there is no chance of cheating not even a little bit, once again.. I want to "win it all" but I'm happy we are re-growing.
It was 16 years ago, and you can't be serious, per your comparison.
Tahj Holden and Chris Wilcox were both 6'10 and decently built.
Lonny Baxter was 6'7" 260 lbs. He was also a legitimate low post player. Our frontcourt in NO WAY resembles Maryland's frontcourt during their championship season.
If we had a similar frontcourt to go with our current backcourt, then we'd likely be amongst the top 10 teams (or higher) in the country, this season.
No similarities whatsoever.
Thanks mj, beat me to it.
Yeah, but the Golden State Warriors don't really play with a traditional center! :-)
Good point and there is very little difference between St. John's University and the Golden State Warriors.
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Good to have the season back and to read this very spirited and thoughtful opinion site. Not much has changed in fan attitude in the 66 years I have been tuning in. On the lack of big guys, I watched Maryland, with a similar sized team to StJ this year, play several games in the NCAA the year they won it all, (12 years ago?) It's not the size of the dog; it's the fight in the dog that counts. We will be better than last year and that's improvement. Further, our kids graduate and there is no chance of cheating not even a little bit, once again.. I want to "win it all" but I'm happy we are re-growing.
It was 16 years ago, and you can't be serious, per your comparison.
Tahj Holden and Chris Wilcox were both 6'10 and decently built.
Lonny Baxter was 6'7" 260 lbs. He was also a legitimate low post player. Our frontcourt in NO WAY resembles Maryland's frontcourt during their championship season.
If we had a similar frontcourt to go with our current backcourt, then we'd likely be amongst the top 10 teams (or higher) in the country, this season.
No similarities whatsoever.
Thanks mj, beat me to it.
Yeah, but the Golden State Warriors don't really play with a traditional center! :-)
Good point and there is very little difference between St. John's University and the Golden State Warriors.
The similarities are uncanny.
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Good to have the season back and to read this very spirited and thoughtful opinion site. Not much has changed in fan attitude in the 66 years I have been tuning in. On the lack of big guys, I watched Maryland, with a similar sized team to StJ this year, play several games in the NCAA the year they won it all, (12 years ago?) It's not the size of the dog; it's the fight in the dog that counts. We will be better than last year and that's improvement. Further, our kids graduate and there is no chance of cheating not even a little bit, once again.. I want to "win it all" but I'm happy we are re-growing.
It was 16 years ago, and you can't be serious, per your comparison.
Tahj Holden and Chris Wilcox were both 6'10 and decently built.
Lonny Baxter was 6'7" 260 lbs. He was also a legitimate low post player. Our frontcourt in NO WAY resembles Maryland's frontcourt during their championship season.
If we had a similar frontcourt to go with our current backcourt, then we'd likely be amongst the top 10 teams (or higher) in the country, this season.
No similarities whatsoever.
Thanks mj, beat me to it.
Yeah, but the Golden State Warriors don't really play with a traditional center! :-)
Good point and there is very little difference between St. John's University and the Golden State Warriors.
They’re actually built very similarly ( pre Kevin Durant)
Both are backcourt reliant ( Curry &Thompson)
Both rely on a defensive power forward to guard one -five positions ( Draymond & Clarke)
Both rely on athletic centers that play above the rim. ( Yawke & McGee) plus the recruiting of Roberts over athletic center is proof of what they’re looking for)
Both utilize the point forward positions heavy without reliable shooting ( Iguodala & Justin Simon)
They actually use similar plays ( Jordan Brown alluded to this during his SJU visit)
Quote “ They have head coach Chris Mullin and assistant coach Mitch Richmond and those are two NBA legends who give me really good input about the game,” Brown told Rivals St. John’s. “Their playing style, I think they play like a mix of Golden State and maybe a bit of the San Antonio Spurs. That style and going there and learning to play an NBA style could really help me for the next level.”
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Good to have the season back and to read this very spirited and thoughtful opinion site. Not much has changed in fan attitude in the 66 years I have been tuning in. On the lack of big guys, I watched Maryland, with a similar sized team to StJ this year, play several games in the NCAA the year they won it all, (12 years ago?) It's not the size of the dog; it's the fight in the dog that counts. We will be better than last year and that's improvement. Further, our kids graduate and there is no chance of cheating not even a little bit, once again.. I want to "win it all" but I'm happy we are re-growing.
It was 16 years ago, and you can't be serious, per your comparison.
Tahj Holden and Chris Wilcox were both 6'10 and decently built.
Lonny Baxter was 6'7" 260 lbs. He was also a legitimate low post player. Our frontcourt in NO WAY resembles Maryland's frontcourt during their championship season.
If we had a similar frontcourt to go with our current backcourt, then we'd likely be amongst the top 10 teams (or higher) in the country, this season.
No similarities whatsoever.
What would Lonny Baxter do to the Rutgers front line?
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Good to have the season back and to read this very spirited and thoughtful opinion site. Not much has changed in fan attitude in the 66 years I have been tuning in. On the lack of big guys, I watched Maryland, with a similar sized team to StJ this year, play several games in the NCAA the year they won it all, (12 years ago?) It's not the size of the dog; it's the fight in the dog that counts. We will be better than last year and that's improvement. Further, our kids graduate and there is no chance of cheating not even a little bit, once again.. I want to "win it all" but I'm happy we are re-growing.
It was 16 years ago, and you can't be serious, per your comparison.
Tahj Holden and Chris Wilcox were both 6'10 and decently built.
Lonny Baxter was 6'7" 260 lbs. He was also a legitimate low post player. Our frontcourt in NO WAY resembles Maryland's frontcourt during their championship season.
If we had a similar frontcourt to go with our current backcourt, then we'd likely be amongst the top 10 teams (or higher) in the country, this season.
No similarities whatsoever.
Thanks mj, beat me to it.
Yeah, but the Golden State Warriors don't really play with a traditional center! :-)
Good point and there is very little difference between St. John's University and the Golden State Warriors.
They’re actually built very similarly ( pre Kevin Durant)
Both are backcourt reliant ( Curry &Thompson)
Both rely on a defensive power forward to guard one -five positions ( Draymond & Clarke)
Both rely on athletic centers that play above the rim. ( Yawke & McGee) plus the recruiting of Roberts over athletic center is proof of what they’re looking for)
Both utilize the point forward positions heavy without reliable shooting ( Iguodala & Justin Simon)
They actually use similar plays ( Jordan Brown alluded to this during his SJU visit)
Quote “ They have head coach Chris Mullin and assistant coach Mitch Richmond and those are two NBA legends who give me really good input about the game,” Brown told Rivals St. John’s. “Their playing style, I think they play like a mix of Golden State and maybe a bit of the San Antonio Spurs. That style and going there and learning to play an NBA style could really help me for the next level.”
If the staff is going to sale the idea that we run a "pro style system" similar to the Warriors and Spurs can someone remind them that DEFENSE is also a HUGE part of their system.
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Rutgers held Cleveland State to 38 points tonight. That’s impressive against just about anyone let alone a team from a competitive mid major conference. Looks like they have some good young talent.
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Rutgers held Cleveland State to 38 points tonight. That’s impressive against just about anyone let alone a team from a competitive mid major conference. Looks like they have some good young talent.
Cleveland St is the 283 best team in D1 per kenpom. They gave up 68 in a close win to the team we just blew out.
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I was about to say that - didn't Rutgers play a close game with a team we just destroyed