6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: paultzman on November 08, 2017, 06:54:51 PM
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#SJUBB guard Shamorie Ponds had an X-ray today on his right hand, according to his Snapchat story:
Per The Torch
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And...So it begins.
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Apparently ok
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Oh god no!
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Tend to think that Linfonte out of precaution holds him out for Friday, hopefully his swelling subsides and he's good to go. Nearly had a heart attack over the past couple of hours, this would've killed our OOC record. Thank goodness.
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He's light years better than anyone else we have.
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He's light years better than anyone else we have.
+1
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Lol. Just have to laugh at this stuff at this point
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Will play Friday apparently, precautionary X-rays negative
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he just jammed it , precautionary
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He's light years better than anyone else we have.
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He's not light years better than Love it.
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He's light years better than anyone else we have.
+1
He's not light years better than Love it.
Lovett is probably closest, but Ponds can be a top 5 guard in the country this year. He should be considered a near lottery pick.
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He's light years better than anyone else we have.
+1
He's not light years better than Love it.
Lovett is probably closest, but Ponds can be a top 5 guard in the country this year. He should be considered a near lottery pick.
Ponds is very very good, but this is complete lunacy
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He's light years better than anyone else we have.
+1
He's not light years better than Love it.
Lovett is probably closest, but Ponds can be a top 5 guard in the country this year. He should be considered a near lottery pick.
Ponds is very very good, but this is complete lunacy
I get that often. Remember who called Harkless a loterry pick months before anyone else.
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He's light years better than anyone else we have.
+1
He's not light years better than Love it.
Lovett is probably closest, but Ponds can be a top 5 guard in the country this year. He should be considered a near lottery pick.
Ponds is very very good, but this is complete lunacy
I get that often. Remember who called Harkless a loterry pick months before anyone else.
Actually I don't
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He's light years better than anyone else we have.
+1
He's not light years better than Love it.
Lovett is probably closest, but Ponds can be a top 5 guard in the country this year. He should be considered a near lottery pick.
Ponds is very very good, but this is complete lunacy
I get that often. Remember who called Harkless a loterry pick months before anyone else.
Actually I don't
Before playing a college game or scrimmage, I wrote "With his jumper and versatility Moe looks like a lock for the lottery if he is in fact 6'8.5." A poster responded: "Lottery after one year = ridiculous."
Shamorie Ponds is a first round pick and a future NBA caliber PG, and I've hesitated to disclose that publicly for over a year, while alluding to it.
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He's light years better than anyone else we have.
+1
He's not light years better than Love it.
Lovett is probably closest, but Ponds can be a top 5 guard in the country this year. He should be considered a near lottery pick.
Ponds is very very good, but this is complete lunacy
I get that often. Remember who called Harkless a loterry pick months before anyone else.
Actually I don't
Before playing a college game or scrimmage, I wrote "With his jumper and versatility Moe looks like a lock for the lottery if he is in fact 6'8.5." A poster responded: "Lottery after one year = ridiculous."
Shamorie Ponds is a first round pick and a future NBA caliber PG, and I've hesitated to disclose that publicly for over a year, while alluding to it.
One correct prediction in the past 6 years, not bad.
Ponds may well end up an NBA player and could even crack the 1st round at some point. But he's not going to be a lottery pick and there's 0 chance he's on the lottery radar after this year. He's very good and will carry our team most times but also won't be a top 5 guard in college basketball this year. He won't even be the best guard in the Big East.
The difference between Harkless and Ponds is Harkless had the size and athleticism that gave him tremendous long-term upside. Ponds is a tweener in that he's not a true PG yet and is way too small to play the 2 in the NBA. NBA teams don't fawn over players like that
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He's light years better than anyone else we have.
+1
He's not light years better than Love it.
Lovett is probably closest, but Ponds can be a top 5 guard in the country this year. He should be considered a near lottery pick.
Ponds is very very good, but this is complete lunacy
I get that often. Remember who called Harkless a loterry pick months before anyone else.
Lenn Robbins?
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Mo had the length and size to go with the skill level. Hence lottery pick. And he had a year to showcase it on a depleted roster.
Ponds is at minimum a 3 year player. Think he is similar to Cotton on the college level, who stayed 4 years and was one of the best guards in the Big East for at least 3 (and nationally for at least 2).
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He's light years better than anyone else we have.
+1
He's not light years better than Love it.
Lovett is probably closest, but Ponds can be a top 5 guard in the country this year. He should be considered a near lottery pick.
Ponds is very very good, but this is complete lunacy
I get that often. Remember who called Harkless a loterry pick months before anyone else.
Lenn Robbins?
Ha!
Marillac has said lots of stuff on these boards. A handful has come to fruition, but lots of it never materialize. He reminds me of a dude who I grew up with, and we still occasionally talk and hang out.... He says all kinds of a stuff, and he'll flail on 3 out of 4. But, once he hits on one, then he'll let you know, and make you believe that's the norm. LOL
If you toss enough shit to the wall, something will eventually stick, right?
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Don’t think it’s far fetched to think ponds could be a top 5 guard in the country.
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Don’t think it’s far fetched to think ponds could be a top 5 guard in the country.
Is he going to start playing defense?
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Don’t think it’s far fetched to think ponds could be a top 5 guard in the country.
Is he going to start playing defense?
Board likes to get on his defense and he absolutely didn’t bring it 100% last year but his talent on that side of the ball is not far off from his talent on offense.
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He gets steals which is nice but his position defense is poor. We'll see
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Don’t think it’s far fetched to think ponds could be a top 5 guard in the country.
This is the weakest group of returning college basketball guards I've ever seen.
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Mo had the length and size to go with the skill level. Hence lottery pick. And he had a year to showcase it on a depleted roster.
Ponds is at minimum a 3 year player. Think he is similar to Cotton on the college level, who stayed 4 years and was one of the best guards in the Big East for at least 3 (and nationally for at least 2).
He's much better than Cotton. The one thing we have going in our favor is that the league can't see how great he is with the ball consistently.
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If he was 6 5 , I would agree w Marillac. But, He is 6 1 shooting guard.. Maybe he will play 4 years for us than be a lottery pick. :)
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Ponds will be a great 4 year player for us. It's too early in his college career to tell what his NBA potential will be. Needs at least another full season under his belt to make an educated projection post-college.
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If he was 6 5 , I would agree w Marillac. But, He is 6 1 shooting guard.. Maybe he will play 4 years for us than be a lottery pick. :)
I hope scouts see it your way. I see a kid with exceptional vision and passing ability at the highest level. He has the best hands I've seen at SJU and his body control, basketball IQ, and awareness are off the charts. The only question I have is his athleticism, which is so hard to gauge because he is always under control and and he had a tendency to skate. How people don't see Steph Curry every time he plays is beyond me.
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If he was 6 5 , I would agree w Marillac. But, He is 6 1 shooting guard.. Maybe he will play 4 years for us than be a lottery pick. :)
I hope scouts see it your way. I see a kid with exceptional vision and passing ability at the highest level. He has the best hands I've seen at SJU and his body control, basketball IQ, and awareness are off the charts. The only question I have is his athleticism, which is so hard to gauge because he is always under control and and he had a tendency to skate. How people don't see Steph Curry every time he plays is beyond me.
The potential is certainly there. I think Ponds could very well end up being a top 20 pick (or higher) in the '19 NBA Draft.
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He's light years better than anyone else we have.
+1
He's not light years better than Love it.
Lovett is probably closest, but Ponds can be a top 5 guard in the country this year. He should be considered a near lottery pick.
Ponds is very very good, but this is complete lunacy
I get that often. Remember who called Harkless a loterry pick months before anyone else.
Actually I don't
Before playing a college game or scrimmage, I wrote "With his jumper and versatility Moe looks like a lock for the lottery if he is in fact 6'8.5." A poster responded: "Lottery after one year = ridiculous."
Shamorie Ponds is a first round pick and a future NBA caliber PG, and I've hesitated to disclose that publicly for over a year, while alluding to it.
Congratulations, one NBA team was as wrong as you were about Mo. Has he played like a lottery pick? I think not.
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Would fit nicely next to a big point guard. Him and Frank knicks backcourt 2 years for now :)
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Would fit nicely next to a big point guard. Him and Frank knicks backcourt 2 years for now :)
Right now Ponds can't guard anyone in college so it would be like he isn't even on the court in the NBA. Our guys need to learn there are two ends to a basketball court.
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His wrist. Can we get back to his wrist? We all agree that he’s very good, but not Michael Jordan good.
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I mean it’s not a surprise Ponds can have a good NBA chance. NBA scouts were here last year looking at him.
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He's light years better than anyone else we have.
+1
He's not light years better than Love it.
Lovett is probably closest, but Ponds can be a top 5 guard in the country this year. He should be considered a near lottery pick.
Ponds is very very good, but this is complete lunacy
I get that often. Remember who called Harkless a loterry pick months before anyone else.
Actually I don't
Before playing a college game or scrimmage, I wrote "With his jumper and versatility Moe looks like a lock for the lottery if he is in fact 6'8.5." A poster responded: "Lottery after one year = ridiculous."
Shamorie Ponds is a first round pick and a future NBA caliber PG, and I've hesitated to disclose that publicly for over a year, while alluding to it.
Congratulations, one NBA team was as wrong as you were about Mo. Has he played like a lottery pick? I think not.
Lol Moe Harkless is a starter on an NBA playoff team. Yes, he's lived up to his draft position.
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He's light years better than anyone else we have.
+1
He's not light years better than Love it.
Lovett is probably closest, but Ponds can be a top 5 guard in the country this year. He should be considered a near lottery pick.
Ponds is very very good, but this is complete lunacy
I get that often. Remember who called Harkless a loterry pick months before anyone else.
Actually I don't
Before playing a college game or scrimmage, I wrote "With his jumper and versatility Moe looks like a lock for the lottery if he is in fact 6'8.5." A poster responded: "Lottery after one year = ridiculous."
Shamorie Ponds is a first round pick and a future NBA caliber PG, and I've hesitated to disclose that publicly for over a year, while alluding to it.
Congratulations, one NBA team was as wrong as you were about Mo. Has he played like a lottery pick? I think not.
Lol Moe Harkless is a starter on an NBA playoff team. Yes, he's lived up to his draft position.
Glad you are laughing. I didn't say he wasn't an NBA player but if you think averaging 7 and 4 in your seventh NBA season is good value for a lottery pick you would make a terrible NBA GM. I get it he's an ex-Johnnie so he is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
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Ponds on ESPN most underrated players list. It was an article by Jay Bilas so I'm assuming he made the picks. We can debate his nba future but I think he becomes a household name for college hoop fans by the end of this year.
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Would fit nicely next to a big point guard. Him and Frank knicks backcourt 2 years for now :)
That's where I see him as well.
I think he could be the best defender in the conference as well, but I don't think he will approach his potential on that side of the ball this year.
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Hey, Shamorie sits in a comparative set with guys like Steph, Kemba, CJ McCollum, etc... First thing is success for those types is few and far between and Shamorie still has a ways to go to get to their heights. And you definitely have to overachieve if you are that body type, especially in today's NBA. But it happens. Took all those guys a few years to prove to scouts that they could compete and hold up despite their size so I'm not crazy worried about Shamorie leaving this year.
And re Mo Harkless's value, well first he's had a better career than at least 6 of the 14 guys drafted ahead of him. Lottery picks bust all the time, Mo hasn't, so define value. I'll readily admit that up to right before the draft I didn't think he would be a lottery pick so I criticized the decision but the process proved me wrong, and Marillac right. PS it wasn't an especially strong draft either so that's something to take into account. But you don't get paid less as the 10th pick in a crap draft than someone getting picked 10th in a loaded draft. Getting picked in the lottery set's up a smart man for life regardless of if you play up to expectations or not. So as far as Shamorie's decision goes, and Mo's before him, it's not about what happens after you get drafted as much as it is about where you get drafted. If/when you have a chance to go in the lottery you go.
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Hey, Shamorie sits in a comparative set with guys like Steph, Kemba, CJ McCollum, etc... First thing is success for those types is few and far between and Shamorie still has a ways to go to get to their heights. And you definitely have to overachieve if you are that body type, especially in today's NBA. But it happens. Took all those guys a few years to prove to scouts that they could compete and hold up despite their size so I'm not crazy worried about Shamorie leaving this year.
And re Mo Harkless's value, well first he's had a better career than at least 6 of the 14 guys drafted ahead of him. Lottery picks bust all the time, Mo hasn't, so define value. I'll readily admit that up to right before the draft I didn't think he would be a lottery pick so I criticized the decision but the process proved me wrong, and Marillac right. PS it wasn't an especially strong draft either so that's something to take into account. But you don't get paid less as the 10th pick in a crap draft than someone getting picked 10th in a loaded draft. Getting picked in the lottery set's up a smart man for life regardless of if you play up to expectations or not. So as far as Shamorie's decision goes, and Mo's before him, it's not about what happens after you get drafted as much as it is about where you get drafted. If/when you have a chance to go in the lottery you go.
Agreed. Also, if it hasn't been clear over the last two years already, I have never been higher on an SJU player than I am with Ponds. This far exceeds my love of Harrison -- who I always argued lacked the physical ability to even sniff the NBA in spite of his college potential.
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Hey, Shamorie sits in a comparative set with guys like Steph, Kemba, CJ McCollum, etc... First thing is success for those types is few and far between and Shamorie still has a ways to go to get to their heights. And you definitely have to overachieve if you are that body type, especially in today's NBA. But it happens. Took all those guys a few years to prove to scouts that they could compete and hold up despite their size so I'm not crazy worried about Shamorie leaving this year.
And re Mo Harkless's value, well first he's had a better career than at least 6 of the 14 guys drafted ahead of him. Lottery picks bust all the time, Mo hasn't, so define value. I'll readily admit that up to right before the draft I didn't think he would be a lottery pick so I criticized the decision but the process proved me wrong, and Marillac right. PS it wasn't an especially strong draft either so that's something to take into account. But you don't get paid less as the 10th pick in a crap draft than someone getting picked 10th in a loaded draft. Getting picked in the lottery set's up a smart man for life regardless of if you play up to expectations or not. So as far as Shamorie's decision goes, and Mo's before him, it's not about what happens after you get drafted as much as it is about where you get drafted. If/when you have a chance to go in the lottery you go.
Agreed. Also, if it hasn't been clear over the last two years already, I have never been higher on an SJU player than I am with Ponds. This far exceeds my love of Harrison -- who I always argued lacked the physical ability to even sniff the NBA in spite of his college potential.
Is he better than Malik Stith? He was the last player you were this high on.
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Hey, Shamorie sits in a comparative set with guys like Steph, Kemba, CJ McCollum, etc... First thing is success for those types is few and far between and Shamorie still has a ways to go to get to their heights. And you definitely have to overachieve if you are that body type, especially in today's NBA. But it happens. Took all those guys a few years to prove to scouts that they could compete and hold up despite their size so I'm not crazy worried about Shamorie leaving this year.
And re Mo Harkless's value, well first he's had a better career than at least 6 of the 14 guys drafted ahead of him. Lottery picks bust all the time, Mo hasn't, so define value. I'll readily admit that up to right before the draft I didn't think he would be a lottery pick so I criticized the decision but the process proved me wrong, and Marillac right. PS it wasn't an especially strong draft either so that's something to take into account. But you don't get paid less as the 10th pick in a crap draft than someone getting picked 10th in a loaded draft. Getting picked in the lottery set's up a smart man for life regardless of if you play up to expectations or not. So as far as Shamorie's decision goes, and Mo's before him, it's not about what happens after you get drafted as much as it is about where you get drafted. If/when you have a chance to go in the lottery you go.
Agreed. Also, if it hasn't been clear over the last two years already, I have never been higher on an SJU player than I am with Ponds. This far exceeds my love of Harrison -- who I always argued lacked the physical ability to even sniff the NBA in spite of his college potential.
Is he better than Malik Stith? He was the last player you were this high on.
I was never high on him as a talent. I was hoping be could have been good leader and steadying force for the great recruiting class, but he wasn't. I also wasn't aware that Lavin was a liar yet and believed his "navy seal" bs 100%.
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Hey, Shamorie sits in a comparative set with guys like Steph, Kemba, CJ McCollum, etc... First thing is success for those types is few and far between and Shamorie still has a ways to go to get to their heights. And you definitely have to overachieve if you are that body type, especially in today's NBA. But it happens. Took all those guys a few years to prove to scouts that they could compete and hold up despite their size so I'm not crazy worried about Shamorie leaving this year.
And re Mo Harkless's value, well first he's had a better career than at least 6 of the 14 guys drafted ahead of him. Lottery picks bust all the time, Mo hasn't, so define value. I'll readily admit that up to right before the draft I didn't think he would be a lottery pick so I criticized the decision but the process proved me wrong, and Marillac right. PS it wasn't an especially strong draft either so that's something to take into account. But you don't get paid less as the 10th pick in a crap draft than someone getting picked 10th in a loaded draft. Getting picked in the lottery set's up a smart man for life regardless of if you play up to expectations or not. So as far as Shamorie's decision goes, and Mo's before him, it's not about what happens after you get drafted as much as it is about where you get drafted. If/when you have a chance to go in the lottery you go.
Agreed. Also, if it hasn't been clear over the last two years already, I have never been higher on an SJU player than I am with Ponds. This far exceeds my love of Harrison -- who I always argued lacked the physical ability to even sniff the NBA in spite of his college potential.
Is he better than Malik Stith? He was the last player you were this high on.
I was never high on him as a talent. I was hoping be could have been good leader and steadying force for the great recruiting class, but he wasn't. I also wasn't aware that Lavin was a liar yet and believed his "navy seal" bs 100%.
That's a cop out, per using Lavin as your excuse. I recall you and I went back and forth on Stith, and I told you (in so many words), Stith was an average player and would never play at a high level (regardless, what Lavin said).
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He's light years better than anyone else we have.
+1
He's not light years better than Love it.
Lovett is probably closest, but Ponds can be a top 5 guard in the country this year. He should be considered a near lottery pick.
Ponds is very very good, but this is complete lunacy
I get that often. Remember who called Harkless a loterry pick months before anyone else.
Actually I don't
Before playing a college game or scrimmage, I wrote "With his jumper and versatility Moe looks like a lock for the lottery if he is in fact 6'8.5." A poster responded: "Lottery after one year = ridiculous."
Shamorie Ponds is a first round pick and a future NBA caliber PG, and I've hesitated to disclose that publicly for over a year, while alluding to it.
Congratulations, one NBA team was as wrong as you were about Mo. Has he played like a lottery pick? I think not.
Lol Moe Harkless is a starter on an NBA playoff team. Yes, he's lived up to his draft position.
Glad you are laughing. I didn't say he wasn't an NBA player but if you think averaging 7 and 4 in your seventh NBA season is good value for a lottery pick you would make a terrible NBA GM. I get it he's an ex-Johnnie so he is the greatest thing since sliced bread.
If Moe Harkless was put into this years NBA draft he'd go around 15-20
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You guys do know Moe Harkless was not a lottery pick right?
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You guys do know Moe Harkless was not a lottery pick right?
LOL Good point! You just ruined a good argument. Just outside the lottery.
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There are a good amount of busts that are taken in the top 15ish picks every year. I think most GM's would be happy having taken Mo knowing the early career that he has had so far.
Not to mention, look at who was taken after him in that draft. Only Jae Crowder and Draymond Green have been better.
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Line is off tonight. Is ponds playing?
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You guys do know Moe Harkless was not a lottery pick right?
I was just responding to the claim that a dude getting around 30 minutes per game, starting for a playoff team, somehow wasn't worth the 15th overall pick. If you redrafted that draft he might even go higher.
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Line is off tonight. Is ponds playing?
Don't think there would be a line on this game regardless
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Line is off tonight. Is ponds playing?
Don't think there would be a line on this game regardless
The post has it listed as off. If their was no line, they wouldn’t list the game .
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Line is off tonight. Is ponds playing?
Don't think there would be a line on this game regardless
The post has it listed as off. If their was no line, they wouldn’t list the game .
I am the most degenerate of degenerate gamblers and I haven't seen this game listed on any online sportsbook, not even as OFF