Report yesterday states: "Allegedly, LSU, Arkansas and Southern Miss have offered and he has spoken to coaches from Alabama and Memphis."
I love ole Foad, dude wrote a whole story before ever doing #detes...hilarious.
Seems like a depth/project guy. I know we aren't used to having an entire 11 man roster so this comes as a surprise.
Another outcast of CofC (Cole was too). I'm guessing Coach DeMeo is lead here because he was basically a "Last Chance U" coach at Juco level.
He hit a 12" growth spurt in high school and was a late bloomer. I'm sure some coaches are hoping he turns into Anthony Davis but seems unlikely. I'm more inclined to take risks on bigs like this than guards but again seems like we're swinging low here.
Seems like a depth/project guy. I know we aren't used to having an entire 11 man roster so this comes as a surprise.
How many JUCO guards haven’t been legit ballers for St.John’s?
Avery Patterson was terrible, but outside of him, we’ve had more success with JUCOS than than other target.
Trying to be optimistic with new Coach and his process but there is zero chance this kid can play at Big East level...
Hard pass...
0% is how you express your optimism? How do you know this kid won’t get better in a year?
He's committed
Are four 2-star recruits equivalent to an 8-star recruit? Asking for a friend.
3 coaches ago we had a guy who couldn't recruit or coach at a high level. The last 2 coaches were able to recruit but couldn't coach worth a damn. Personally, I'm ready for a guy that identifies players he likes and plans on developing them to play the roles he needs them to play. Guys that can both recruit and coach at a high level aren't coming to St. John's.
I have no clue how good Posh or Cole or Moore or whoever are gonna be. Maybe we'll finish last in every single one of Anderson's seasons. But there's a foundation in place already and still some hooks in the water to reel in some bigger fish.
2 star recruiting foundation
I recall Lavin couldn’t qualify 3 recruits from his first class and never got Pelle
Lavin had his shortcomings but I'd take him back in a heartbeat.
Also you take risks on bigs. There aren't many that can be game changers so you chase ones that can be. We hit on Pelle and Rico Gathers but unfortunately both didn't work. Missed on Kyle Anderson and was right there. That's one I wish we could have got because we would have won big with him.
There are so many other things the school could have done to help during Lavin tenure but failed to do. Lavin needed to help himself a bit more too.
There are a lot of developmental players on this roster already. Earlington, Roberts, Caraher were our end of the bench development guys already and we've added Champagnie, McGriff, Sears, and Dunn.
Over 75% of our roster would be borderline MAAC players. This isn't being negative just factual that this is the worst roster in the conference. I think bench coaching will improve and help make up some talent gaps but we need to do better recruiting.
Lavin had his shortcomings but I'd take him back in a heartbeat.
Missed on Kyle Anderson and was right there. That's one I wish we could have got because we would have won big with him.
There are so many other things the school could have done to help during Lavin tenure but failed to do. Lavin needed to help himself a bit more too.
There are a lot of developmental players on this roster already. Earlington, Roberts, Caraher were our end of the bench development guys already and we've added Champagnie, McGriff, Sears, and Dunn.
Over 75% of our roster would be borderline MAAC players. This isn't being negative just factual that this is the worst roster in the conference. I think bench coaching will improve and help make up some talent gaps but we need to do better recruiting.
I agree with Dave. I would add that we can't have like 6 developmental guys on the bench.
Staff is doing a tremendous job. He’s building a solid, tough, defensive minded team.
Explain to me what is the tremendous job? Filling up scholarships quickly? Have you ever watched these kids play one game? Posh isn't a plus defensive player.
Have yet to watch video on Cole being a strong defender. Wusu will probably be the best defender of the bunch but only had offers from Bryant and UMass. Moore is 200 lbs. Tremendous job. Yes, If we were in the MAAC.
I agree on wishing Lavin was still here.
Disagree on the "miss" as it relates to KA - if you call being unwilling to pay his Father's asking price "missing" then you are right.
Sometimes a player starts out as a two star recruit, and because of hard work and a quality staff, he plays like a 4 star recruit - who doesn’t leave to play in the NBDL, or return home to some pathetic Italian pro league.
I agree as well that we can’t or shouldn’t have 6 developmental players on our bench.
What I question is how anyone knows what work these kids are putting in now and have put in since Mullin’s optional practice policy was put in place when he took over as coach.
I truly believe Mike Anderson is a good coach and think he will squeeze more juice out of some guys than past predecessors could have but that simply isn't enough to win in the Big East and at St. John's. You need better talent.
We can sprinkle in some diamonds in the rough here and there but the balance needs to shift and it seems that we are getting bodies in the door as quickly as we can which means we are going to war with them or pushing them out as quickly as we brought them in which will set us back once again.
Do you know how stupid you sound? What qualifies you to make an assessment of the players they brought in? This is an experienced staff. He’s been on a coaching staff that won a national championship. You don’t think he knows what level of talent he needs to be successful? All the players he signed for the 2020 class are players he believes he can win with, not to fill a roster spot and that’s good enough for me.
[/quotDo you know how stupid you sound? What qualifies you to make an assessment of the players they brought in? This is an experienced staff. He’s been on a coaching staff that won a national championship. You don’t think he knows what level of talent he needs to be successful? All the players he signed for the 2020 class are players he believes he can win with, not to fill a roster spot and that’s good enough for me.
You are saying it is a tremendous job and they are building a dfensive team without ever seeing one of these kids. You don't have to be an NCAA coach to see kids play. Step out of your house. Head to an aau tourney. Head uptown.... Then say it's a tremendous job. It isn't. Now you back pedal by giving me his credentials. Please stop drinking kool aid.
I truly believe Mike Anderson is a good coach and think he will squeeze more juice out of some guys than past predecessors could have but that simply isn't enough to win in the Big East and at St. John's. You need better talent.
We can sprinkle in some diamonds in the rough here and there but the balance needs to shift and it seems that we are getting bodies in the door as quickly as we can which means we are going to war with them or pushing them out as quickly as we brought them in which will set us back once again.
You are saying it is a tremendous job and they are building a dfensive team without ever seeing one of these kids. You don't have to be an NCAA coach to see kids play. Step out of your house. Head to an aau tourney. Head uptown.... Then say it's a tremendous job. It isn't. Now you back pedal by giving me his credentials. Please stop drinking kool aid.
Ummmmm credentials matter! He’s won in the Big 12, he’s won in the SEC while using similar recruiting philosophy, it’s arrogance to think it wouldnt work in the Big East. I trust his ability to assess players ability more so than scouting services. How many 4 star players looked like trash in college? We’ve had a couple recently. You know what most of these services don’t measure? What’s between your ears, what’s pumping in your chest, work ethic, coach-ability. He has a proven track record of success and until proven otherwise I’m not going to criticize his lack of “higher rated recruits” when I haven’t seen them play a game for him yet.
I think Moore could be a better player under Anderson for us than Clark was for Mullin.
You draw this conclusion based off of what? How is this a comparison? They are two totally different players.
How about letting the guy coach and see what he can do before you declare he can't win with the talent he's getting. CMA knows how to find kids that fit his system and he'll get the most of them, he's done it everywhere he's been. All those stars and everything look nice when looking at it on paper, but you have to make it work and one thing CMA knows how to do is make his rosters work.
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And I can go back as far as his Mizzou elite 8 team which will look pretty similar as well. I'm going to take it, that if can do that in the Big 12 and SEC that are stacked with hall of fame coaches and known cheaters, he'll manage against the powerhouses of Creighton, DePaul, Providence, and Butler.
Dave, you sound a like a jealous ex-girlfriend. Anderson hasn't coached one game at SJU yet, and you're already saying he won't win here. How about giving him a chance?
As MakingPlays said he's had many successful seasons with similar talent in the SEC, and Big 12. He's 169 games over .500 in his coaching career. I think I trust him a bit more than Lavin, who still hasn't landed another coaching gig since getting canned, and clueless Mullin.
Would you find it easier to root for Anderson if he coached on his knees, put on 50 lbs, grew a goatee, and wore a Nebraska jumpsuit?
But yet you reap praise all over his recruiting and accused people of being "clowns" because they were concerned with the level of players being brought in. How does that make sense?
When Steve Lavin was hired at SJU a UCLA fan called CRGreen started posting here. Like you re Arkansas he had an encyclopedic knowledge of UCLA basketball. (Unlike you he's now dead.) CR's take was that the entire UCLA fan base was wrong about Lavin being an incompetent buffoon who they were happy to see go and that in fact he was a master tactician and psychologist, and every time Lavin did something confounding like starting a different five guys every game or starting a walk on on a nationally televised Sunday afternoon game or taking a time out while his team was in the midst of a 12-0 run CR would explain the deep strategic thinking behind these seemingly boneheaded moves. It turned out that CR had no idea what he was talking about, because Lavin sucked and was mentally ill to boot.
Except for the fact that you're breathing you remind me of him. Your take is that the vocal majority of the Arkansas fan base - who complained about Anderson's recruiting and personnel management; about the shortcomings in his system; about his meager results (three tournaments in eight years at Arkansas is exactly how many tournaments the two guys SJU fired made over about the same time frame) - is wrong and you are right. And maybe you are and maybe Arkansas fans are delusional. We'll see soon enough whether the MAAC level talent Anderson is collecting are going to be able to compete in what's usually a pretty good league. My own take is that Anderson is recruiting about well as Norm Roberts so he better be a really good coach because the players Norm recruited mostly got their heads kicked in.
All of which is prelude to a question. A fellow called Arkansas Fight who covers AUBB for SBT said in an interview with the venerable Norman Rose this:
Q || What are the criticisms of Anderson’s teams?
The biggest criticism is that they can be out-schemed.
It’s pretty evident that his teams do very little to tailor a strategy to their opponent. They just go out and play ball. That puts a pretty hard cap on how many games they can win, especially at a school where expectations are high and every opponent takes them seriously.
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Another criticism of all fast-paced teams is that they can play really ugly when forced into a half-court game. Anderson’s teams gradually got better at half-court offense, but St. John’s fans should be prepared for a lot of games that are downright ugly and slow for 2/3rds of the game, but just a few exciting fast breaks are enough to carry the day. The highlight reel will look great, but it will feel like a bad comedy movie that puts ALL of its jokes in the trailer.
As an expert on all things Anderson could you explain why that critique is inaccurate? Thanks in advance.
Your basing the ”level of player” off of recruiting services rankings and who else is recruiting them. Many of them don’t even see the kids they are rating or only at a couple of events. Me singing his praises is only taking the other side, I really don’t have an opinion until I actually see the product on the floor. Let the results speak for themselves.
We’ve been to one post season tournament in the previous 4 years. We can’t even make the f’n NIT consistently. I rather complete and win consistently with 2/3 star recruits than get our teeth kicked in with 4/3 star recruits. It’s because our 2 star recruits will be better players than the KY’s and Keita’s of the world. Lets support the staff and allow the results to warrant criticism.
Generally speaking if 351 division 1 college staff's and handful of scouts who have been evaluating talent for years share similar opinions on a player more times than not they aren't wrong. Yes there are players who defy odds but greater percentage you can tier players HM, MM, LM (High, mid, low). These coaches and scouts see these players more than once and while some are obviously more diligent than others there is pretty good sample size of data.
Personally I have access to synergy which is another tool that coaches use which gives me access, breakdown, and advanced stats on these players. So even if I wasn't able to see them in April and July I can go back and watch full games.
Additionally having an opinion or sharing a concern is not antagonizing or "not supporting" new staff. Lets be clear everyone here wants to see St. John's do well and roots for them. Everything doesn't have to be roses all the time with every move/decision. We're here to discuss and debate and share information and thoughts.
Ok but Anderson has implemented this recruiting approach with success and I’m defining success as never having a losing season. So generally speaking, no reason to believe it can’t be successful now.
My issue isn’t that you question the talent level being brought in, it’s the notion that he can’t win in the BE with the level of talent he’s bringing in. History shows us that he will win, regardless of the rankings of the recruits he bring in. Two separate issues.
Anderson was just fired 6 months ago because of recruiting — in an area he had decades of experience recruiting — so let’s not act like he’s above criticism.
Let’s give him the benefit of the doubt that: (1) these kids fit his system, (2) he has a good eye for talent, and (3) he is a very good coach.
There is still no way in hell these are ANYWHERE near the best kids he can land.
He basically had one NBA player or more while at Arkansas and this model still didn’t work.
WTF is happening? These are nowhere near the best players available. Holy shit.
How about letting the guy coach and see what he can do before you declare he can't win with the talent he's getting. CMA knows how to find kids that fit his system and he'll get the most of them, he's done it everywhere he's been. All those stars and everything look nice when looking at it on paper, but you have to make it work and one thing CMA knows how to do is make his rosters work.
Here's a couple of CMA's recent starting lineups and where the guys were ranked out of high school.
2016-2017 Starting Lineup
Jaylen Barford - Unranked/2-star out of high school (JUCO)
Daryl Macon - Unranked/2-star out of high school (JUCO)
Dusty Hannahs - Unranked/2-star out of high school (7 PPG TTU Transfer)
Dustin Thomas - 3-Star on Rivals, Unranked on other sites, (4 PPG Transfer)
Moses Kingsley - 4-Star on all ranking sites
Finished 26-10, Made it to SEC Championship Game, 8-Seed in NCAA Tournament.
2017-2018 Starting Lineup
Jaylen Barford - Unranked/2-star out of high school (JUCO)
Daryl Macon - Unranked/2-star out of high school (JUCO)
Anton Beard - 4-star ESPN, 3-Star 247/Rivals out of high school
Dustin Thomas - 3 Star on Rivals, Unranked on other sites, (4 PPG CU Transfer)
Daniel Gafford - 4-star on all ranking sites
Finished 23-12 Record, Made it to SEC Semi-Finals, 7-Seed in NCAA Tournament
And I can go back as far as his Mizzou elite 8 team which will look pretty similar as well. I'm going to take it, that if can do that in the Big 12 and SEC that are stacked with hall of fame coaches and known cheaters, he'll manage against the powerhouses of Creighton, DePaul, Providence, and Butler. :)
Ok but Anderson has implemented this recruiting approach with success and I’m defining success as never having a losing season. So generally speaking, no reason to believe it can’t be successful now.
My issue isn’t that you question the talent level being brought in, it’s the notion that he can’t win in the BE with the level of talent he’s bringing in. History shows us that he will win, regardless of the rankings of the recruits he bring in. Two separate issues.
How about letting the guy coach and see what he can do before you declare he can't win with the talent he's getting. CMA knows how to find kids that fit his system and he'll get the most of them, he's done it everywhere he's been. All those stars and everything look nice when looking at it on paper, but you have to make it work and one thing CMA knows how to do is make his rosters work.
Here's a couple of CMA's recent starting lineups and where the guys were ranked out of high school.
2016-2017 Starting Lineup
Jaylen Barford - Unranked/2-star out of high school (JUCO)
Daryl Macon - Unranked/2-star out of high school (JUCO)
Dusty Hannahs - Unranked/2-star out of high school (7 PPG TTU Transfer)
Dustin Thomas - 3-Star on Rivals, Unranked on other sites, (4 PPG Transfer)
Moses Kingsley - 4-Star on all ranking sites
Finished 26-10, Made it to SEC Championship Game, 8-Seed in NCAA Tournament.
2017-2018 Starting Lineup
Jaylen Barford - Unranked/2-star out of high school (JUCO)
Daryl Macon - Unranked/2-star out of high school (JUCO)
Anton Beard - 4-star ESPN, 3-Star 247/Rivals out of high school
Dustin Thomas - 3 Star on Rivals, Unranked on other sites, (4 PPG CU Transfer)
Daniel Gafford - 4-star on all ranking sites
Finished 23-12 Record, Made it to SEC Semi-Finals, 7-Seed in NCAA Tournament
And I can go back as far as his Mizzou elite 8 team which will look pretty similar as well. I'm going to take it, that if can do that in the Big 12 and SEC that are stacked with hall of fame coaches and known cheaters, he'll manage against the powerhouses of Creighton, DePaul, Providence, and Butler. :)
So I think there are layers to this.
I think his previous winning shows he's a competent coach, he can motivate a team, and his style of play can be successful.
However the landscape in college basketball has changed a lot over the past decade and there are things about his past recruiting and geographical history that are concerning.
Just as it's fair to be optimistic about his coaching it's equally fair to be concerned about recruiting.
If you look at what every other school is bringing back and bringing in we are in a distant last. While I think Coach Anderson will be able to coach up guys the gap is still too great to think we will be able to compete to be a top 5 team in conference.
Even this year it's uphill. I think we can be competitive and steal some games and have a strong out of conference record to be in the hunt but next year what happens? Year after that? What happens if we fall short this year? Do you expect it to get better next year without Heron and potentially LJ?
These are honest questions. This isn't having lack of support or not rooting for the team to do well. It's just alarming.
OK I'll bite....
Jaylen Barford was a 6'4 PG who was a 4 star with offers from Bama, Xavier, Auburn, Cincy, Texas Tech, Mizzou,
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2016/jaylen-barford-1466
Daryl Macon was good out of high school. He was 3 star guy with offers from Mississippi, Miss St, Memphis.
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2016/daryl-macon-1901
So lets stop with the narrative they were 2 star unranked guys. These guys were significantly better than any JUCO we've been involved with so far.
So I think there are layers to this.
I think his previous winning shows he's a competent coach, he can motivate a team, and his style of play can be successful.
However the landscape in college basketball has changed a lot over the past decade and there are things about his past recruiting and geographical history that are concerning.
Just as it's fair to be optimistic about his coaching it's equally fair to be concerned about recruiting.
If you look at what every other school is bringing back and bringing in we are in a distant last. While I think Coach Anderson will be able to coach up guys the gap is still too great to think we will be able to compete to be a top 5 team in conference.
Even this year it's uphill. I think we can be competitive and steal some games and have a strong out of conference record to be in the hunt but next year what happens? Year after that? What happens if we fall short this year? Do you expect it to get better next year without Heron and potentially LJ?
These are honest questions. This isn't having lack of support or not rooting for the team to do well. It's just alarming.
Where are you guys getting this from? I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm genuinely curious... Because there's absolutely no facts to support the claims that his recruiting has been an issue in the past. As I posted earlier his last 2 classes were both top 25 classes, he's always got his fair share of 4-star recruits, and he'll land a 5-star every now and then, he's consistently landed top JUCO players and they've performed at a high level, and he's consistently landed under the radar guys that outplay their rankings. It's impossible to play in multiple high major conferences and NEVER have a losing.
At Arkansas, it just didn't work out, it wasn't because he was a bad recruiter or anything like that. He had the 3rd best winning percentage in the conference among the active coaches... And keep in mind this is during a time where several SEC coaches were getting busted in the FBI probe and cheating, and he still was beating those teams. At Arkansas the standards are very high, if you ain't competing for National Championships your gone, they don't care who you are, they fired the one coach that won us a National Championship, so that should tell you right there all you need to know. If CMA had been coaching at any other school outside of Kentucky in the SEC he'd still be employed there.
You need to have some guys on your team that aren’t expecting to be treated like they’re special.
How can you be so sure McGriff, Champagnie, Dunn, Sears and Rutherford won’t work well with the current players and compliment their abilities?
Just because a player isn’t here to score doesn’t mean we don’t need him on our team. These guys can get after it. I think once you get a look at it, you’ll agree, you’ll like this new trying harder style more than last year’s “Ahh, #$%^ it” style.
Those were their rankings coming out of JUCO that you posted. I clearly posted "Out of High School" Both were unranked players coming out of high school. Daryl Macon was 5'9 in high school until about his junior year with 0 high major offers, played at Parkview High School in Little Rock, about 45 minutes from my hometown, I followed his recruitment closely, he DID NOT have any of those offers you posted on Rivals coming out of high school. Once Arkansas offered him after his first JUCO season, then those other offers came in that you're seeing on Rivals.
And not sure how much you keep up with JUCO rankings.... but jucorecruiting.com posted an article about Vince Cole, said he's a top 10-15 JUCO player, that's about the same ranking as Macon and Barford on that site.
Outside of Dunn. I'm not sure any of the players we brought in are better than existing players.
Outside of Mustapha and LJ is there anyone returning you're extremely confident in giving extended minutes to?
What is our path to scoring to 75 points a game?
I'll confirm with Eric Bossi of Rivals tomorrow. I'll also ask Evan Daniels as well as Corey Evans + Justin Young who are all more south guys.
And let you guys know something about Arkansas, every coach is going to get fired at Arkansas
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For example, Nolan Richardson […] the moment he stopped making final fours, people in Arkansas turned on him, they fired and ran him out of town.
It's fair to criticize but at least have your facts straight if you're going to do so.
Well that's not exactly what happened, is it. Richardson made the FF in 95 and in 96 the Sweet 16. In the six years after that he
made the NIT
lost in the NCAA 2nd round
lost in the NCAA 2nd round
lost in the NCAA 1st round
lost in the NCAAA 1st round
During the next season when he was 13-14 he accused the university of racism - "Richardson has said racial discrimination included Broyles’ not extending his contract and not offering him a raise"; he also compared himself to a slave at a time when he was making a million dollars a year: “I did not come over on that ship, so I expect to be treated a little bit different,” - and then publicly "dared Broyles to fire him during a postgame news conference because, "If they go ahead and pay me my money, they can take this job tomorrow."" Which Broyles promptly did.
https://www.goupstate.com/news/20040526/richardson-says-racial-remarks-sparked-firing
https://www.si.com/vault/2003/02/24/8097444/hog-fight-the-feud-between-arkansas-and-former-coach-nolan-richardson-is-personaland-racial
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/13814160/former-arkansas-coach-nolan-richardson-years-anger-softened
Keep the facts straight, thanks for the advice, you're like Diogenes, nearly.
You probably should have done that before posting if you aren't sure. Because Daryl Macon's story is well known in Arkansas, he went from the 5'9 kid shooting 3's in high school at Parkview to a JUCO star, and finally got that Arkansas offer he dreamed of.
Also, no need for the name dropping, you can just simply use google. There's articles and videos out there.
Edit: After 15 seconds of just simply googling "Daryl Macon 2014 recruiting"
This is one of the first articles of coming up. It's from Richard Davenport one of the longest and most respected writers in Arkansas, who covered Macon's recruitment.
https://www.wholehogsports.com/news/2014/apr/22/macon-taking-steps-be-hog/
Notice how the article mentions no offers, just interest. He didn't even have an Arkansas offer out of high school, and they had been watching him since he was in the 9th grade.
Arkansas and Mississippi State were the two schools showing him the most interest. Xavier, Minnesota and Marquette also showed interest.
Macon will play for former Little Rock Parkview and Ole Miss guard Jason Flanigan, who’s the son of Patriots head coach Al Flanigan.
“I'm going to leave in July and I plan on working out until I leave,” Macon said. “I was going to play AAU, but the juco coaches don't want me to get hurt.”
In order to get colleges to notice him, Macon put in countless hours of work on his game.
“It took awhile, but it did develop,” Macon said. ”It took a lot of early mornings and a lot of late nights. I just kept faith in myself and knew that I could do it and it happened. I can say that I surprised a lot of people. Nobody ever thought I would get this good, but all I had to do was keep faith in myself and it happened.”
Confirmed with Bossi both guys were 3 stars out of high school. Barford jumped up to 4 star in Juco. He also added that Anderson will win with these guys.
I'm not even going to engage in a back and forth with you, this is my one and only reply to you because you are nothing but a troll, and I honestly don't care about any of the stuff you talk about.
But for others, I would encourage them to watch the 40 minutes of hell documentary, read Nolan's book, and watch the many of interviews that discusses Nolan's time at Arkansas, these are on youtube. Nolan dealt with racism on a daily basis, including death threats and people killing his animals on his ranch. This information has been confirmed from interviews with former players, coaches, and media members.
And Foad this is my last ever response to you. Have a good one.
I found absolutely nothing on Macon being ranked anywhere outta high school.
Barfield's compilation ranking was #454 nationally (#330 per 247 Sports, which technically made him a 3-star according to their rankings). I doubt #454 would garner a 3-star on any recruiting site.
As, Making Plays said, you could've simply looked for the information on your own. But I've long known the deal.
Well considering that Rivals saw multiple database updates and Scout archives have been wiped and didn't carry over to 247 Sports you wouldn't be able to google it. So I went direct to the source. What's the issue here? What deal do you know of?!?!
Frankly, I don't care who you asked. The information is still out there. Rivals still has rankings from players from nearly 15 years ago. Sure, the Scout archives has been wiped but 247 Sports took over for Scout. You can still get a ranking evaluation from several years ago on 247 Sports, but whatever.
Bradford overall ranking screams 2-star or less based on his compilation. And, I couldn't find anything on Macon from high school. Period!
This is the best I could do, and I took nothing from it as it seemed arbitrary (and, it is only a 2-star ranking): http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/daryl-macon
I contacted the person who made the evaluation and is in charge of the rankings. I know you enjoy challenging me for whatever reason but this is silly.
They were 3 star players who high major schools targeted. They weren't unknown diamonds Anderson mined. However he coached them up and they became better than expected. This isn't mine or anyone's opinion. This is what happened.
Once again, I don't care who you contacted. The information is out there. I also only challenge you because I know you're FOS (at least, you got that right). Besides, you don't know what they were coming out of high school, as you attempted to use their Rivals' profile when it was actually their JUCO Rivals' profile.
Barfield, at best, was an extremely, low 3-star recruit outta high school and Macon was 2-star at best. High-major schools targeted both of 'em during their time in JUCO (you got another one right). They both ended up being high-level JUCO ball players and turned in solid play for Anderson at Arkansas. That's what happened.
He also added that Anderson will win with these guys.
What are your thoughts on his opinion?
Confirmed with Bossi both guys were 3 stars out of high school. Barford jumped up to 4 star in Juco. He also added that Anderson will win with these guys.
Confirmed lying lol. Neither was ranked out of high school by the big 3 services (Rivals, 247, or ESPN), nice try though, trying to name drop scouts to support your lie. I've already provided the link to arguably the most credible recruiting writer in Arkansas that covered Macon's recruitment, no where in that article does he mention a ranking or any high major offers that you claimed he had.
So just to recap....
- You lied about Macon and Barford's ranking out of high school
- You lied about Macon's offers out of high school
- You lied about "confirming" they were ranked out of high school
Just stop man, that's 3 strikes. It's not that serious, just admit you were wrong and keep it moving.
Confirmed lying lol. Neither was ranked out of high school by the big 3 services (Rivals, 247, or ESPN), nice try though, trying to name drop scouts to support your lie. I've already provided the link to arguably the most credible recruiting writer in Arkansas that covered Macon's recruitment, no where in that article does he mention a ranking or any high major offers that you claimed he had.
So just to recap....
- You lied about Macon and Barford's ranking out of high school
- You lied about Macon's offers out of high school
- You lied about "confirming" they were ranked out of high school
Just stop man, that's 3 strikes. It's not that serious, just admit you were wrong and keep it moving.
Confirmed lying lol. Neither was ranked out of high school by the big 3 services (Rivals, 247, or ESPN), nice try though, trying to name drop scouts to support your lie. I've already provided the link to arguably the most credible recruiting writer in Arkansas that covered Macon's recruitment, no where in that article does he mention a ranking or any high major offers that you claimed he had.
So just to recap....
- You lied about Macon and Barford's ranking out of high school
- You lied about Macon's offers out of high school
- You lied about "confirming" they were ranked out of high school
Just stop man, that's 3 strikes. It's not that serious, just admit you were wrong and keep it moving.
So to recap.
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Which facts show you to be something of a bald faced liar.
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- You lied
Hey homie I'm not sure who you are but I appreciate you posting here and adding insights on a number of things. I really do but you are shaking the wrong tree.
I have no reason to lie or make things up. I spend a lot of time and resources providing this website for everyone to enjoy. I've worked in the game of basketball for the past decade which and one of my agency's responsibilities is managing hundreds of members of the media across the country. A lot of them are very good friends of mine which makes it very accessible for me to get information that I posted. If you choose to not believe it that's fine but it's highly accurate from the man in charge of basketball scouting at Rivals.
The original point of all of this was the team that Mike Anderson had at Arkansas was very talented. He did a great job assembling and coaching that team. The talent he's acquired thus far at St. John's is far inferior which is concerning because even if he can coach them up it might not be enough.
Dave isn’t lying. His source might be different than yours, but calling him a liar is uncalled for.
You have to be Mike Anderson JR. or his side chick. Being this obsessed with another man is not healthy. Take a break guy.
What do you call someone who isn't telling the truth? It's an easy thing to prove here. Post a Daryl Macon article from 2014 (the year he graduated) with his offer list and his ranking.
I've posted the article where he did an interview and they described all the schools that were recruiting him, and all those schools were "interest only" and no ranking was mentioned.
it's alright, I'll see myself out. You guys have a good one and enjoy the season!
This guy flounces off more than Scarlett O'Hara.Makingplays isn’t lying, I remember him from Jump ball (Arkansas’ basketball forum) he was always one of the neutral posters that had the info usually. Honestly wouldn’t surprise me if it was Mike Anderson Jr., but his info was usually accurate.
Makingplays isn’t lying,
don't know much about this kid, but he's shooting 80% from the FT line. would be nice to have a big that we can leave in at the end of games and not worry about him getting hacked
He would have been a disastrous signing for any other coach we’ve had in my lifetime, but I think Anderson can use him well. The guy knows what he wants...I’ll give him that.
He seems like the kind of guy that could have actually squeezed production out of Tyler Jones.
From what I've seen of Moore I thing what MA like about him is he runs the court well, he is good around the basket and looks like he can hit the medium range jumper. Something we don't have now. He is also 6'10-11 so he'd be a nice rim protector when they go to the full court press. That's what made Georgetown's press in the 80's so impressive having Ewing protecting the rim.Is he over 200 pounds?
From what I've seen of Moore I thing what MA like about him is he runs the court well, he is good around the basket and looks like he can hit the medium range jumper. Something we don't have now. He is also 6'10-11 so he'd be a nice rim protector when they go to the full court press. That's what made Georgetown's press in the 80's so impressive having Ewing protecting the rim.
The guy is a bean pole. Last thing we need is a big man that thinks he is a guard. Hopefully he doesn't fall in love with the 3.That’s not good news
The guy is a bean pole. Last thing we need is a big man that thinks he is a guard. Hopefully he doesn't fall in love with the 3.Checked his game log. He takes about 1 or 2 3’s a game. He hits a good percentage. Read somewhere else LSU, Mississippi state offered.
Two of our best teams this century were short on two things: height and depth.
Just curious what about his game is so unique to CMAs system.
He’s a stretch four. Can pick and pop from 10ft and out. Very active.
Tariq Owens was a bean pole and now he's in the NBA
Yeah, this guy isn't Tariq. Sorry.Tariq was nothing special here
Tariq was nothing special here
He played very well in stretches. He just couldn't stay out of foul trouble. He led the Big East in blocks and was one of the best defenders in the conference when he was on the floor.Agree with most of that. Not sure I would say he was one of the best defenders in the big east. He was above average.
Posh and Dyl are already bonafide studs perfect for IMA's style. Vince is a lethal wing w the shooting %s Ray Allen admires. Then here is video of our lesser known big who looks like he's going to give Josh fits in practice from the jump, we are LOADED next season:
https://twitter.com/PRCCBasketball/status/1240748672104779781
How do you see his game translating to the BE? Not sure where he fits in from watching this video. I see a lotta threes going up. His stroke is far from pure, but he's athletic, and he can throw it down. Like to get a better idea of what kind of rebounder he is when he's up against good rebounders. Roberts was a great rebounder in November. In January, he was so so. Hoping Steere comes back ripped up, and starts at center.In highlights they may show 3s but stats say he takes very few.
As I posted earlier in this thread, he would be a horrible recruit for literally any other Big East program but should work with what Anderson wants to do. From what I can gather Anderson wants to sneak as many points in from his bigs before opposing bigs get back and/or set. That seems to be the most vulnerable part of the opposition in a fast paced game. Moore seems like he can do just fine with dunks and layups in those spots and is fast enough to get there a step or two ahead of most guys his height.Definitely nothing close to an absurd shot blocker from what I have seen of him.
In the half court I don't see him being very good, though, unless he is just an absurd shot-blocker or has the feet to handle three's and combo forwards on switches. His shot is low and doesn't look great, but it appears he's got a good touch and release.
It's the 6th ranked class in the Big East.
You guys have to temper expectations some. Give them a chance to develop, but I would be very surprised if Moore stands out in league play.
It looks like CMA and staff are good at evaluating players. Getting underrated players and developing them can make up for not recruiting higher ranked players. Add in conditioning and playing hard w heart.
Rutherford went from a backup at Monmouth to a pretty good player by the end of the year. And although a Mullin recruit, nobody expected Earlington to be as good as he was. That’s development.
For the record, Rutherfords BE stats.
23.2 minutes
5.5 pts
3.2 asts
2.1 rebs
1.7 stls
1.3 TOs
35% fg
Busted his ass all the time. Played good defense most of the time. If he was a clear backup playing 10-15 min it could work for a good team.
Sorry, have to push back on this. Rutherford was much better in the beginning. He played a few food games at the end but he was awful in conference play. AWFUL.Do you eat a lot of microwave popcorn? I don't care whatever the numbers may say but Rutherford against better competition played better as the season went along (given that he was in over his head talent wise at the BE level). I for one thank him for his service as he appeared to always give it everything he had.
I’m willing to give credit to Anderson for knowing what he wants and evaluating talent well, but his system can utilize raw players unlike anything we’ve had here before.
That’s s good thing. He can get guys other conference schools aren’t looking at and get production out of them.
Do you eat a lot of microwave popcorn? I don't care whatever the numbers may say but Rutherford against better competition played better as the season went along (given that he was in over his head talent wise at the BE level). I for one thank him for his service as he appeared to always give it everything he had.
Then you know nothing about basketball. Rutherford was an unmitigated disaster in conference play.Coming from you I'll take that as a compliment.