6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: bball_fan on June 15, 2009, 06:01:59 PM
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After watching the guys on the team play pick-up against each other for a few weeks now, here are some observations:
Mase and Rob thomas were the 2 player best at creating their offenses. thomas is in a lot better condition then fans give him credit for.
Dwight hardy hit almost every 3 i saw him take.
malik stith is fast as hell. he is a good defender for his size and often succeeded at locking boothe down. he took the open shot when given the oppertunity and most of the time he hit it. he's a pass-first guard. one area of concern was his turnovers. he turned the ball over a lot.
quincy surprised me...he played better then i had ever seen him play before in practice or in games...it will be interesting to see how this translates next season. im not sure if he'll even get PT, but well see.
omari and brownlee werent at any of these games.
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paris and Dj played well as expected. and it was hard to judge the bigs from pickup. evans and coker had most their points from alleyoops, dunks, ect. didnt get to see a variety of post moves or anything like that.
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I said it in another post...i am really excited about this group of players. I hope Mase and Brownlee can score and set other people up (point forwards). We have two PG in the two Maliks and they both will need to knock down some shots this year. Most importantly, look forward to how our Jrs play and lead. We have more depth then we ever had so when we do sub there should not be a huge drop off. We shall see. Big year for Norm...lets see how this shakes out.
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Malik Stith was able to lock down Boothe.
So he has 2 arms and 2 legs.
We need him to be ready to
Go right away. The most disappointing player on our team
Last year was Boothe. We really didn't see anything from him that would give us hope for the future.
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boothe is still a better player than stith..
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People just love hating on STJ pg's.
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boothe is still a better player than stith..
If that is the case,the team will not make much progress next year.
The two obvious places they need MASSIVE improvement are at point guard & center.
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After watching the guys on the team play pick-up against each other for a few weeks now, here are some observations:
Mase and Rob thomas were the 2 player best at creating their offenses. thomas is in a lot better condition then fans give him credit for.
Dwight hardy hit almost every 3 i saw him take.
malik stith is fast as hell. he is a good defender for his size and often succeeded at locking boothe down. he took the open shot when given the oppertunity and most of the time he hit it. he's a pass-first guard. one area of concern was his turnovers. he turned the ball over a lot.
quincy surprised me...he played better then i had ever seen him play before in practice or in games...it will be interesting to see how this translates next season. im not sure if he'll even get PT, but well see.
omari and brownlee werent at any of these games.
Hey guys I saw Dele Coker walking down the "street" the other day. ;) He looked like a "mack truck" and told me he would be "ready" to protect the "paint." :-* Ater Majok better "watch out" or he'll be on his "arse" (lol) when Dele gets to him! ;D ;D
Peace! 8)
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boothe is still a better player than stith..
Boothe would have looked like a better player, if we had players with more offensive skill. Kennedy had too many stretches where he was ice cold. So did everyone.
If Stith can score he's got value to us. Boothe can be the playmaking guard,
but when that's not working out, we can try something else.
When it didn't work out last year, we turned to Quincy Roberts and TyShawn Edmonson. And that couldn't have been uglier.
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After watching the guys on the team play pick-up against each other for a few weeks now, here are some observations:
Mase and Rob thomas were the 2 player best at creating their offenses. thomas is in a lot better condition then fans give him credit for.
Dwight hardy hit almost every 3 i saw him take.
malik stith is fast as hell. he is a good defender for his size and often succeeded at locking boothe down. he took the open shot when given the oppertunity and most of the time he hit it. he's a pass-first guard. one area of concern was his turnovers. he turned the ball over a lot.
quincy surprised me...he played better then i had ever seen him play before in practice or in games...it will be interesting to see how this translates next season. im not sure if he'll even get PT, but well see.
omari and brownlee werent at any of these games.
Hey guys I saw Dele Coker walking down the "street" the other day. ;) He looked like a "mack truck" and told me he would be "ready" to protect the "paint." :-* Ater Majok better "watch out" or he'll be on his "arse" (lol) when Dele gets to him! ;D ;D
Peace! 8)
Not necessary
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from everyone i have heard from, they think dwight hardy will make a big impact for us. we'll see.
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from everyone i have heard from, they think dwight hardy will make a big impact for us. we'll see.
A few people I have asked about this agree but as I have asked before. If Hardy is going to have impact, whose minutes does he take..?
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After watching the guys on the team play pick-up against each other for a few weeks now, here are some observations:
Mase and Rob thomas were the 2 player best at creating their offenses. thomas is in a lot better condition then fans give him credit for.
Dwight hardy hit almost every 3 i saw him take.
malik stith is fast as hell. he is a good defender for his size and often succeeded at locking boothe down. he took the open shot when given the oppertunity and most of the time he hit it. he's a pass-first guard. one area of concern was his turnovers. he turned the ball over a lot.
quincy surprised me...he played better then i had ever seen him play before in practice or in games...it will be interesting to see how this translates next season. im not sure if he'll even get PT, but well see.
omari and brownlee werent at any of these games.
Hey guys I saw Dele Coker walking down the "street" the other day. ;) He looked like a "mack truck" and told me he would be "ready" to protect the "paint." :-* Ater Majok better "watch out" or he'll be on his "arse" (lol) when Dele gets to him! ;D ;D
Peace! 8)
Not necessary
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boothe is still a better player than stith..
Boothe would have looked like a better player, if we had players with more offensive skill. Kennedy had too many stretches where he was ice cold. So did everyone.
If Stith can score he's got value to us. Boothe can be the playmaking guard,
but when that's not working out, we can try something else.
When it didn't work out last year, we turned to Quincy Roberts and TyShawn Edmonson. And that couldn't have been uglier.
idk what everyone is expecting from stith..but hes not gonna come in an be an instant scorer for us. most his points will come of the fast break because he does have good court vision and intercepts passes pretty often. hes also a good hustle player when it comes to 50-50 balls. having said that his jump shot is pretty inconsistent and unrealible, especially from 3 point range
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How is it that after 6 years, Hofstra can recruit guards that can dribble AND shoot, and we can't?
Can Stith defend at least? Can he finish on the break, or when we penetrates?
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from everyone i have heard from, they think dwight hardy will make a big impact for us. we'll see.
A few people I have asked about this agree but as I have asked before. If Hardy is going to have impact, whose minutes does he take..?
Whatever SG that is not hitting their shots that particular night!
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from everyone i have heard from, they think dwight hardy will make a big impact for us. we'll see.
A few people I have asked about this agree but as I have asked before. If Hardy is going to have impact, whose minutes does he take..?
Whatever SG that is not hitting their shots that particular night!
Well said. The whole "whose minutes" assumes a fixed set of minutes for each player. There aren't many players on the team good enough to get guaranteed minutes; it might depend from game to game, and Hardy can be told to look for his shot once he's on the court.
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from everyone i have heard from, they think dwight hardy will make a big impact for us. we'll see.
A few people I have asked about this agree but as I have asked before. If Hardy is going to have impact, whose minutes does he take..?
Whatever SG that is not hitting their shots that particular night!
Well said. The whole "whose minutes" assumes a fixed set of minutes for each player. There aren't many players on the team good enough to get guaranteed minutes; it might depend from game to game, and Hardy can be told to look for his shot once he's on the court.
Peter.. you know I am not expecting "set minutes" but if Hardy plays big minutes its going to impact the playing time of multiple players.... possibly Horne, Omari, definitely Quincy.. we all know there are only so many minutes to go around.
My point is that there are going to be some very unhappy players on this team next year. I think the two most unhappy guys will end up being Quincy Roberts & Rob Thomas.
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from everyone i have heard from, they think dwight hardy will make a big impact for us. we'll see.
A few people I have asked about this agree but as I have asked before. If Hardy is going to have impact, whose minutes does he take..?
Whatever SG that is not hitting their shots that particular night!
Well said. The whole "whose minutes" assumes a fixed set of minutes for each player. There aren't many players on the team good enough to get guaranteed minutes; it might depend from game to game, and Hardy can be told to look for his shot once he's on the court.
Peter.. you know I am not expecting "set minutes" but if Hardy plays big minutes its going to impact the playing time of multiple players.... possibly Horne, Omari, definitely Quincy.. we all know there are only so many minutes to go around.
My point is that there are going to be some very unhappy players on this team next year. I think the two most unhappy guys will end up being Quincy Roberts & Rob Thomas.
Rob Thomas showed that he could compete with some of the league's best players, and for that, he'll be out there. But he'll play inside. There, we are not so deep. Evans, Burrell and Coker all did one thing with consistency: foul.
Q Roberts needs a lot of work. His shot is erratic, and he has the worst handle on the team out of all of our guards, and swingmen. He shouldn't play, unless he comes back a significantly improved player.
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If it gets the best players on the court and brings in wins, unhappiness is fine by me; any team has unhappy players, or players who wish they got more time. With the injury history under Norm, everyone's gonna get a chance to shine!
I think Rob will get time - there are only 4 forward/ centers on the roster, after all, unless Brownlee plays down low (and according to his local paper, he's working on his perimeter game (!)), and Quincy can play more as a senior or earn playing time in practice - didn't we hear that Paris earned his time by outplaying Larry Wright (or at least playing defense)?
It's true that there are only so many minutes to go around, but every college team plays with 200 player-minutes. If managed right, it's a welcome problem to have. And if someone chooses to leave because of playing time, good luck to them and we can (hopefully) get another viable player who won't be a freshman in 2011.
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Also, I hope Q or Brownlee have the option to redshirt next year and really shine in 2011 - the team will need talent and they would have a lot more playing time, familiarity with the system, and experience. I'm sure that's not what either wants to do, but it would be a way to help their future careers and for St. John's to help itself in 2 years.
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Q's not going to get that much PT next season.
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Q's not going to get that much PT next season.
Do you know if he knows that, or is willing to redshirt?
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Q's not going to get that much PT next season.
Do you know if he knows that, or is willing to redshirt?
How would this guy know anything?
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the problem is norm plays favorites and keeps some players in his doghouse.
he has no conception of the flow of the game. he'll sit a hot player in favor of a knee jerk substitution.
his plays are predictible.
there's a reason we score 40-50 points a game...and it isn't because we have crappy players.
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actually Q does know that his minutes are gonna go down but hes cool with because he understands that he'll have to work harder in practice and he appreciates the challenge of the compitition. he told me that himself just 2 weeks ago...
in fact he was unhappy at all the playing time he got last year because he was forced to play out of position.
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Peter that's a classic sig
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Word, KOB. I think I still have that comic.
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Q's not going to get that much PT next season.
Do you know if he knows that, or is willing to redshirt?
How would this guy know anything?
How do we know if he doesn't?
On BE Boards there's a guy that some have followed for years, but the one thing that always rang true is that no one knows all. Certainly not him.
After several botched predictions, the so called "guru" was proved to be just another loud mouth jerk who couldn't handle anyone disagreeing with him.
I'm content to give someone the benefit of the doubt.
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Damn my cousin has it he wouldn't let me pay for it
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Peter that's a classic sig
Excellent Avatar Peter..!!
Although the movie they made this year SUCKED
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Peter that's a classic sig
Excellent Avatar Peter..!!
Although the movie they made this year SUCKED
Gonna see it on DVD... and will cringe. I heard it was terrible.
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Q's not going to get that much PT next season.
Do you know if he knows that, or is willing to redshirt?
How would this guy know anything?
Agreed. I have no reason to believe anything was seen or heard from pickup bball.
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Q's not going to get that much PT next season.
Do you know if he knows that, or is willing to redshirt?
How would this guy know anything?
Agreed. I have no reason to believe anything was seen or heard from pickup bball.
Your ax to grind with bball fan thinking he is oldred is getting to be a little to passionate. Let it go, it isn't him. Its not too hard if you're on campus to look into one of the many glass doors and see whats going on. Its not uncommon for people to do that either.
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Q's not going to get that much PT next season.
Do you know if he knows that, or is willing to redshirt?
How would this guy know anything?
Agreed. I have no reason to believe anything was seen or heard from pickup bball.
Your ax to grind with bball fan thinking he is oldred is getting to be a little to passionate. Let it go, it isn't him. Its not too hard if you're on campus to look into one of the many glass doors and see whats going on. Its not uncommon for people to do that either.
Have you seen or heard anything substantive about the incoming group?
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thnx dave...i was participating at the team camp and they played pickup till 4:30 every day before the camp....there were a lot of spectators..
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Q's not going to get that much PT next season.
Do you know if he knows that, or is willing to redshirt?
How would this guy know anything?
Agreed. I have no reason to believe anything was seen or heard from pickup bball.
Your ax to grind with bball fan thinking he is oldred is getting to be a little to passionate. Let it go, it isn't him. Its not too hard if you're on campus to look into one of the many glass doors and see whats going on. Its not uncommon for people to do that either.
Didn't realize you could find out about playing time and strategies relating to our players by looking through glass doors. I could care less if he is OldRed or not, but Classof2013 gets a hard time for reporting things that might not be totally accurate, or as you say "are heard in his lunch room," so I am going to criticize others the same way when I am not convinced that what they are reporting is coming straight from the horse's mouth.
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Valid point; certainly, everything on a message board needs to be taken with a grain of salt. But I'm pretty sure bball_fan isn't Old Red, as well.
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Yeah, but the thing is they is a lotta Haitian brothers up here. So while y'all may think all anyone do is speak English or Spanish in NYC, it just ain the case cause they is plenty of French goin on in my hood.
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Choz, you got me on that one. I have no idea what that means.
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Valid point; certainly, everything on a message board needs to be taken with a grain of salt. But I'm pretty sure bball_fan isn't Old Red, as well.
That's fine. I'll drop the OldRed thing, but I'm not so sure bball_fan isn't representing his OPINIONS as facts he gathered from talking to people at "pick-up."
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first off i wasnt "lookin through glass doors" i was in the gym like i sed my team was part of the team camp...and i did talk 2 Quincy who happened to be runnin one of my games at court 3 in taffner gym.
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first off i wasnt "lookin through glass doors" i was in the gym like i sed my team was part of the team camp...and i did talk 2 Quincy who happened to be runnin one of my games at court 3 in taffner gym.
And Quincy said to you he wasn't going to play much this year? or were you surmising that on your own?
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no i first i asked him what he thought about all the guards on the team and mentioned how every guards pt is goin down and how he looks foward 2 the compitition.
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Q's not going to get that much PT next season.
Do you know if he knows that, or is willing to redshirt?
How would this guy know anything?
Agreed. I have no reason to believe anything was seen or heard from pickup bball.
Your ax to grind with bball fan thinking he is oldred is getting to be a little to passionate. Let it go, it isn't him. Its not too hard if you're on campus to look into one of the many glass doors and see whats going on. Its not uncommon for people to do that either.
Didn't realize you could find out about playing time and strategies relating to our players by looking through glass doors. I could care less if he is OldRed or not, but Classof2013 gets a hard time for reporting things that might not be totally accurate, or as you say "are heard in his lunch room," so I am going to criticize others the same way when I am not convinced that what they are reporting is coming straight from the horse's mouth.
I have to agree. I am unimpressed with this guy. He comes off arrogant and unintelligent. I can't remember one thing he has even been remotely close with.
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first off i wasnt "lookin through glass doors" i was in the gym like i sed my team was part of the team camp...and i did talk 2 Quincy who happened to be runnin one of my games at court 3 in taffner gym.
Fair enough. My point was more directed as a general statement how anyone and everyone can gain their fair share of access if they wanted to.
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first off i wasnt "lookin through glass doors" i was in the gym like i sed my team was part of the team camp...and i did talk 2 Quincy who happened to be runnin one of my games at court 3 in taffner gym.
Was this before or after you judged the Adrien-Orahki lifting contest in Uconn?
Somebody get this hero a cape.
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Q's not going to get that much PT next season.
Do you know if he knows that, or is willing to redshirt?
How would this guy know anything?
Agreed. I have no reason to believe anything was seen or heard from pickup bball.
Your ax to grind with bball fan thinking he is oldred is getting to be a little to passionate. Let it go, it isn't him. Its not too hard if you're on campus to look into one of the many glass doors and see whats going on. Its not uncommon for people to do that either.
Didn't realize you could find out about playing time and strategies relating to our players by looking through glass doors. I could care less if he is OldRed or not, but Classof2013 gets a hard time for reporting things that might not be totally accurate, or as you say "are heard in his lunch room," so I am going to criticize others the same way when I am not convinced that what they are reporting is coming straight from the horse's mouth.
I have to agree. I am unimpressed with this guy. He comes off arrogant and unintelligent. I can't remember one thing he has even been remotely close with.
Forest, Forest Gump
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Choz, you got me on that one. I have no idea what that means.
Sorry yo. Had too many windows open up at one time. Meant fo another board.
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Choz, you got me on that one. I have no idea what that means.
Sorry yo. Had too many windows open up at one time. Meant fo another board.
Choz multitasking on several different websites at once. :)
Just make sure you dont post here by mistake whatever you're writing on bronxhotties.com. lol
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Choz, you got me on that one. I have no idea what that means.
Sorry yo. Had too many windows open up at one time. Meant fo another board.
Choz multitasking on several different websites at once. :)
Just make sure you dont post here by mistake whatever you're writing on bronxhotties.com. lol
I thought I was the only one from this board that knew about that site. :D
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first off i wasnt "lookin through glass doors" i was in the gym like i sed my team was part of the team camp...and i did talk 2 Quincy who happened to be runnin one of my games at court 3 in taffner gym.
Was this before or after you judged the Adrien-Orahki lifting contest in Uconn?
Somebody get this hero a cape.
Sorry, and I don't know if this guy is for real or not, but I find it incredibly amusing that Marillac of all people would be butchering this guy for potentially overstating his access and accomplishments, what say you to that King of Hyperbole? Yes you've been around a LOT longer but that's immaterial. Read ths stuff and as Ripley said, believe it or not, nothing about the poster's attitude indicates he's doing it for any other reason than to chat on a message board. PMG got a fair few similar comments when he started posting as did KOB who left boards due to it. Suggest you all just chill out and enjoy the light reading.
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first off i wasnt "lookin through glass doors" i was in the gym like i sed my team was part of the team camp...and i did talk 2 Quincy who happened to be runnin one of my games at court 3 in taffner gym.
Was this before or after you judged the Adrien-Orahki lifting contest in Uconn?
Somebody get this hero a cape.
Sorry, and I don't know if this guy is for real or not, but I find it incredibly amusing that Marillac of all people would be butchering this guy for potentially overstating his access and accomplishments, what say you to that King of Hyperbole? Yes you've been around a LOT longer but that's immaterial. Read ths stuff and as Ripley said, believe it or not, nothing about the poster's attitude indicates he's doing it for any other reason than to chat on a message board. PMG got a fair few similar comments when he started posting as did KOB who left boards due to it. Suggest you all just chill out and enjoy the light reading.
I'm not butchering this guy for his resume or whatever he wants people to believe he does. My problem with him stems with his arrogance and his stupidity. Every opinion I have seen him offer up to this board has been on par with a middle-schooler. That alone wouldn't be so bad, but he steadfastly defends his posts like few we've ever seen. Look back at his first posts. It was him vs. the whole board at one point.
His post about Orahki being stronger than Adrien is just laughable. Backing it up with a claim of seeing the two lifting together is just a lie. Adrien had a top ten bench press in the draft combine with a 7'2 wingspan. I don't even care to question the validity of his resume claims. I could care less. It is immaterial. I believe what people say about the careers because what good would it be to lie on a sports message board? Who even cares?
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first off i wasnt "lookin through glass doors" i was in the gym like i sed my team was part of the team camp...and i did talk 2 Quincy who happened to be runnin one of my games at court 3 in taffner gym.
Was this before or after you judged the Adrien-Orahki lifting contest in Uconn?
Somebody get this hero a cape.
Sorry, and I don't know if this guy is for real or not, but I find it incredibly amusing that Marillac of all people would be butchering this guy for potentially overstating his access and accomplishments, what say you to that King of Hyperbole? Yes you've been around a LOT longer but that's immaterial. Read ths stuff and as Ripley said, believe it or not, nothing about the poster's attitude indicates he's doing it for any other reason than to chat on a message board. PMG got a fair few similar comments when he started posting as did KOB who left boards due to it. Suggest you all just chill out and enjoy the light reading.
I'm not butchering this guy for his resume or whatever he wants people to believe he does. My problem with him stems with his arrogance and his stupidity. Every opinion I have seen him offer up to this board has been on par with a middle-schooler. That alone wouldn't be so bad, but he steadfastly defends his posts like few we've ever seen. Look back at his first posts. It was him vs. the whole board at one point.
His post about Orahki being stronger than Adrien is just laughable. Backing it up with a claim of seeing the two lifting together is just a lie. Adrien had a top ten bench press in the draft combine with a 7'2 wingspan. I don't even care to question the validity of his resume claims. I could care less. It is immaterial. I believe what people say about the careers because what good would it be to lie on a sports message board? Who even cares?
Well if there's one thing you know it's middle schoolers, right? I may have missed a thread or two but I just feel differently, you guys disagree on the potential strength of Oriakhi, that's as heated as I saw it get and it's just not worth getting that heated about. You questioned if he had really done what he claimed to have done. I do that all the time in my mind filter but don't feel the need to post as such. All I'll say is I doubt he's as strong as Adrien too but it's not worth getting worked up about.
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first off i wasnt "lookin through glass doors" i was in the gym like i sed my team was part of the team camp...and i did talk 2 Quincy who happened to be runnin one of my games at court 3 in taffner gym.
Was this before or after you judged the Adrien-Orahki lifting contest in Uconn?
Somebody get this hero a cape.
Sorry, and I don't know if this guy is for real or not, but I find it incredibly amusing that Marillac of all people would be butchering this guy for potentially overstating his access and accomplishments, what say you to that King of Hyperbole? Yes you've been around a LOT longer but that's immaterial. Read ths stuff and as Ripley said, believe it or not, nothing about the poster's attitude indicates he's doing it for any other reason than to chat on a message board. PMG got a fair few similar comments when he started posting as did KOB who left boards due to it. Suggest you all just chill out and enjoy the light reading.
I'm not butchering this guy for his resume or whatever he wants people to believe he does. My problem with him stems with his arrogance and his stupidity. Every opinion I have seen him offer up to this board has been on par with a middle-schooler. That alone wouldn't be so bad, but he steadfastly defends his posts like few we've ever seen. Look back at his first posts. It was him vs. the whole board at one point.
His post about Orahki being stronger than Adrien is just laughable. Backing it up with a claim of seeing the two lifting together is just a lie. Adrien had a top ten bench press in the draft combine with a 7'2 wingspan. I don't even care to question the validity of his resume claims. I could care less. It is immaterial. I believe what people say about the careers because what good would it be to lie on a sports message board? Who even cares?
Well if there's one thing you know it's middle schoolers, right? I may have missed a thread or two but I just feel differently, you guys disagree on the potential strength of Oriakhi, that's as heated as I saw it get and it's just not worth getting that heated about. You questioned if he had really done what he claimed to have done. I do that all the time in my mind filter but don't feel the need to post as such. All I'll say is I doubt he's as strong as Adrien too but it's not worth getting worked up about.
Which thread was this weightlifting argument on ? I need some good reading today
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first off i wasnt "lookin through glass doors" i was in the gym like i sed my team was part of the team camp...and i did talk 2 Quincy who happened to be runnin one of my games at court 3 in taffner gym.
Was this before or after you judged the Adrien-Orahki lifting contest in Uconn?
Somebody get this hero a cape.
Sorry, and I don't know if this guy is for real or not, but I find it incredibly amusing that Marillac of all people would be butchering this guy for potentially overstating his access and accomplishments, what say you to that King of Hyperbole? Yes you've been around a LOT longer but that's immaterial. Read ths stuff and as Ripley said, believe it or not, nothing about the poster's attitude indicates he's doing it for any other reason than to chat on a message board. PMG got a fair few similar comments when he started posting as did KOB who left boards due to it. Suggest you all just chill out and enjoy the light reading.
I'm not butchering this guy for his resume or whatever he wants people to believe he does. My problem with him stems with his arrogance and his stupidity. Every opinion I have seen him offer up to this board has been on par with a middle-schooler. That alone wouldn't be so bad, but he steadfastly defends his posts like few we've ever seen. Look back at his first posts. It was him vs. the whole board at one point.
His post about Orahki being stronger than Adrien is just laughable. Backing it up with a claim of seeing the two lifting together is just a lie. Adrien had a top ten bench press in the draft combine with a 7'2 wingspan. I don't even care to question the validity of his resume claims. I could care less. It is immaterial. I believe what people say about the careers because what good would it be to lie on a sports message board? Who even cares?
Well if there's one thing you know it's middle schoolers, right? I may have missed a thread or two but I just feel differently, you guys disagree on the potential strength of Oriakhi, that's as heated as I saw it get and it's just not worth getting that heated about. You questioned if he had really done what he claimed to have done. I do that all the time in my mind filter but don't feel the need to post as such. All I'll say is I doubt he's as strong as Adrien too but it's not worth getting worked up about.
Which thread was this weightlifting argument on ? I need some good reading today
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