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St. John's Red Storm => Recruiting Archives => Recruiting => 2011 Class => Topic started by: peter on June 29, 2010, 02:24:30 PM
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[tweet]http://twitter.com/TheRecruitScoop/status/17353173092[/tweet]
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=3646425 (http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=3646425)
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Amir-Garrett-89587 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Amir-Garrett-89587)
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1095682 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1095682)
Amir Garrett, SF- A lefty as well, Garrett didn't put up double digit points this morning like he did in the previous sessions, but his defense on Ky Madden was outstanding. Garrett could be a quintessential multi-positional lockdown defender with his athleticism and instincts.
At NBA Top 100 camp: http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/978671.html (http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/978671.html)
http://wildaboutazcats.com/2010/06/19/elliott-scoring-record-tough-to-break/#more-15654 (http://wildaboutazcats.com/2010/06/19/elliott-scoring-record-tough-to-break/#more-15654)
Class of 2011 small-forward prospect Amir Garrett of Lawndale, Calif., Leuzinger, who has only been offered a basketball scholarship by Arizona thus far, is also competing in the NBAPA Top 100 camp. Garrett, a lefty, is also a baseball phenom who reportedly has a fastball that has been clocked at 95 mph. Garrett told Gary Randazzo of WildcatSportsReport.com two weeks at the Pangos All-American Camp that he is “working on his handles every day.†That means he is making a concerted effort into creating off the dribble. His shooting form is ideal and he should be a potent scorer through further development. He added that he wants to play on the West coast. ASU, UCLA and USC are recruiting Garrett as well but have not pulled the trigger on a scholarship offer perhaps fearing Garrett will be won over immediately by the baseball dollars when he is drafted next year. …
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I see the staff is continuing to spread their wings throughout the nation. I believe this will play off in due time.
I wonder what AAU team Garrett is playing with, if he is currently playing with anyone at all.
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if he's throwing 95 then he ain't playing basketball he'll be in the minors.
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I see the staff is continuing to spread their wings throughout the nation. I believe this will play off in due time.
I wonder what AAU team Garrett is playing with, if he is currently playing with anyone at all.
Yet another kid with a connection to Dinos
He played well at Pangos a couple of weeks ago. Depending on the level that he chooses, I think he'll be more of a an athletic, complementary player for a quality program.
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i see dj kennedy 2.0
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The video starts out with Garrett highlights.
The 2010 Pangos All American Camp Recap; Nation's Top Talent Battles It Out! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2MIXHoxroc#ws)
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Northstar Basketball NBPA reports:
http://blog.northstarbball.com/2010/06/27/nbpa-top-100-camp-cavs--celtics-scouting-reports.aspx (http://blog.northstarbball.com/2010/06/27/nbpa-top-100-camp-cavs--celtics-scouting-reports.aspx)
Amir Garrett ’11, SF, Findlay Prep (NV)
Height & Weight: 6’5.5, 189lbs
Wingspan & Reach: 6’10, 8’5.5
PPG & High: 8.0, 13
Garrett, a California native who is transferring to Findlay Prep for his senior year, is also a big-time baseball player. He is an athletic and bouncy player with length on the wing, who can also handle the rock if need be. Garrett might want to bulk up just a bit more, but it is not a necessity just yet. Garrett was another player on the Cavs honored with the Workout Warrior award.
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http://coast2coastrecruiting.net/2010/07/2010-pangos-all-american-live-run-down/#more-1540 (http://coast2coastrecruiting.net/2010/07/2010-pangos-all-american-live-run-down/#more-1540)
Amir Garrett 6’6″ 2011 Belmont Shore – Amir Garrett is slowly climbing up the charts as a top prospect on the national scene. His is a pure athlete that handles that can handle the ball like a lead guard. he showed off his athletic ability it at this camp with getting to the basket with no problem. Garrett still needs to work on his jumper to make it stay consistent because he can knock it down he just needs to be consistent with it.
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Best On The West? Amir Garrett Shows Out At Pangos 2010 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=798WygkB3e0#ws)
Looks good but says he wants to stay in the West Coast in this video. So his family can see him play.
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http://coast2coastrecruiting.net/2010/07/2010-pangos-all-american-live-run-down/#more-1540 (http://coast2coastrecruiting.net/2010/07/2010-pangos-all-american-live-run-down/#more-1540)
Amir Garrett 6’6″ 2011 Belmont Shore – Amir Garrett is slowly climbing up the charts as a top prospect on the national scene. His is a pure athlete that handles that can handle the ball like a lead guard. he showed off his athletic ability it at this camp with getting to the basket with no problem. Garrett still needs to work on his jumper to make it stay consistent because he can knock it down he just needs to be consistent with it.
The book is that he's a 6'5" athlete that can score in transition, but can't shoot. When I saw him last month, he lived up to it.
One of the other people that Nieves mentioned, who is a quality 2012 target is 6'8" Grant Jarrett. He was the one whose dad said Lavin didn't burn any bridges out there, but was an opportunist. Jarrett has offers from almost everybody on the West Coast.
I saw 6'2" Gabe York last week. He played well and hit some clutch shots, but Nieves is naive or parochial in thinking that "York has the ability to contend for the No 1 spot among the shooting guards in his class on not just a west coast level but on a national level as well." Brad Beal and Austin Rivers would eat him alive.
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F Amir Garrett (Belmont Shore, 2011) Another wing who showed off the ability to run the floor and finish above the rim. Garrett is slight of build right now, and getting stronger will likely be a focal point in his senior year. Amir also needs to work on his perimeter jumper, as opponents at the next level could be content to sag and let the slasher fire away from the perimeter. He and Texas verbal DeAndre Daniels made California Supreme pay on a number of occasions.
http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2010-0723/day-one-vegas-rundown/ (http://www.nbebasketball.com/w3/2010-0723/day-one-vegas-rundown/)
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Amir Garrett, SF, Belmont Shore- A year ago, Garrett played almost like an undersized four man. Now, the 6-foot-5 wing is a dangerous small forward who could be on his way to becoming a two guard. He's super athletic, quick to the rim, has improved his handle and can make some jumpers. Defensively, he's one of the best in the class because of his superior lateral quickness.
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1105871 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1105871)
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Amir Garrett (Belmont Shores, 2011)- One of the more versatile and athletic wings in the class, Garrett continues to impress. He is terrific in transition, and he looked good shooting the ball Tuesday. Defensively, he has the tools to be a multi-positional stopper.
Also a standout pitcher, Garrett wants to play basketball and baseball in college. He is presently listing offers from St. John's, Oregon, UTEP, San Jose State, San Diego State, Arizona and Arizona State. He is also hearing from Georgetown and UNLV.
http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1107104 (http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1107104)
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This is some great praise:
http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/08/04/amir-garrett-planning-visits/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/08/04/amir-garrett-planning-visits/)
Garrett visited St. John’s in June and Goren said Steve Lavin’s staff is in good position.
“I’d say what Lavin presents to the situation is someone who understands players, having coached at UCLA. [Assistant coach] Rico Hines known as one of the best player-developers in the country. Mike Dunlap is known as a Norm Chow of basketball.
“And with nine scholarships [maybe 10], he’s bringing in his own players.â€
RE-SPECT. People really get that the staff has some stars on it.
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This is some great praise:
http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/08/04/amir-garrett-planning-visits/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/08/04/amir-garrett-planning-visits/)
Garrett visited St. John’s in June and Goren said Steve Lavin’s staff is in good position.
“I’d say what Lavin presents to the situation is someone who understands players, having coached at UCLA. [Assistant coach] Rico Hines known as one of the best player-developers in the country. Mike Dunlap is known as a Norm Chow of basketball.
“And with nine scholarships [maybe 10], he’s bringing in his own players.”
RE-SPECT. People really get that the staff has some stars on it.
Exactly, peter! IMO, it's only a matter of time before one of blue-chipper kids commit and then things could very, well take off.
Garrett's play has seem to improve throughout the summer and a quality staff such, as the Johnnies can expand his game.
I'm tempering my enthusiasm, but I'm ready for one of these blue-chipper kids to commit.
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Per Zags.... Johnnies tops his list, along with Oregon.
http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/08/26/garrett-says-st-johns-oregon-top-list/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/08/26/garrett-says-st-johns-oregon-top-list/)
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Will Garrett be the first to commit?
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Per Coast 2 Coast Recruiting....
"Heard ST John's has a big lead @AdamZagoria: St. John's, Oregon top list for wing Amir Garrett of Vegas"
[tweet]http://twitter.com/C2CRecruiting/statuses/22190416722[/tweet]
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Can Coach Blankmeyer offer him a baseball scholarship, and allow him to be a walk-on on the basketball team? ;D
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Per Coast 2 Coast Recruiting....
"Heard ST John's has a big lead @AdamZagoria: St. John's, Oregon top list for wing Amir Garrett of Vegas"
[tweet]http://twitter.com/C2CRecruiting/statuses/22190416722[/tweet]
NN knows him well and must be hearing the same thing from Dinos, who runs Belmont, and/or Etop. Trigonis' relationship w/ Lavin has really helped with a lot of these 2011 kids.
Trust Neal.
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Listen to this KU guy attempt to "pull" Kansas out of Garrett's mouth. LOL
http://theshiver.com/2010/08/amir-garrett-at-elite-24/ (http://theshiver.com/2010/08/amir-garrett-at-elite-24/)
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Listen to this KU guy attempt to "pull" Kansas out of Garrett's mouth. LOL
http://theshiver.com/2010/08/amir-garrett-at-elite-24/ (http://theshiver.com/2010/08/amir-garrett-at-elite-24/)
You ought to see what some of the Kentucky "writers" do or ask & rival Louisville is just a step behind them.
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Per Scout.com (via Moose on Redmen.com).... "Three Stick Out For Garrett" It's the Johnnies, Kansas and Oregon, as we pretty much knew.
New St. John�s coach Steve Lavin is a former west coast guy and he�s reached out to Garrett. According to Garrett his style of play is one of the many reasons he�s considering the Red Storm.
�I talk to coach Lavin a lot,� Garrett said. �He�s a cool dude. Coach Lavin likes to play fast and I like to play fast. He has a great staff and he�s a good coach.�
Kansas managed to make his top three, despite having not offered. Garrett seems interested in the Jayhawks because of their past success.
�With Kansas, its Kansas,� he said. �It�s cool that they even have interest in me. I just want to keep my options and hear what they have to say
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=2&c=997398&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fscouthoops.scout.com%2f2%2f997398.html (http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=2&c=997398&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fscouthoops.scout.com%2f2%2f997398.html)
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Most recent Garrett video....
Amir Garrett Summer Ballin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6CFUB_Xnz8&feature=player_embedded#ws)
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Most recent Garrett video....
Amir Garrett Summer Ballin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6CFUB_Xnz8&feature=player_embedded#ws)
I think Coach Lavin is in it towards the end (right under the basket-where he was sitting). A writer, Seth Davis, was conducting an interview nearby. I was in the background on this one a few times [Pangos in Long Beach, Fab 48 at Bishop Gorman in LV].
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According, to Neal Nieves (Coast 2 Coast Recruiting).... Things are looking pretty good for the Johnnies with Garrett.
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Really reminds me of a more athletic DJ Kennedy.
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Really reminds me of a more athletic DJ Kennedy.
exactly what i said dave..the way he moves and the way he finishes around the basket look very similar and of course the fact they are both lefties which i love...if amir produced close to what dj has i would sign up for it in a second
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I have a feeling he's going to have a sick senior season at Findley with Nick Johnson and Myck Kabongo. Between playing with those 2 and concentrating on basketball watch him blow up.
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Amir said he is down to 3 schools
Kansas, Oregon and St. John's
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I saw this tweet on FB and it made me think he committed to SJU.
I see it more as RT @TheRecruitScoop '11 @Amir_Garrett of Findlay Prep tells me he is down to three schools: St. Johns, St. Johns, St. Johns
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assuming thats just not a mistake it is very promising news
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lol you guys need to do your twitter homework.
look at the original tweet then look at mine.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/09/22/garrett-to-visit-st-johns/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/09/22/garrett-to-visit-st-johns/)
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Getting Garrett would give us so much depth at the 3 spot...like more than we have ever had before especially in recent years
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Garrett and/ or Harkless can play a tall 2-guard, it seems. Allows for mixing and matching and harder-to-penetrate defenses (if they're quick-footed).
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Garrett and/ or Harkless can play a tall 2-guard, it seems. Allows for mixing and matching and harder-to-penetrate defenses (if they're quick-footed).
Yeah I really see Amir at the 2.
Hopefully with Brown or Harrison.
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Does anyone know if Garret or Harkless can bring the ball up? Maybe distribute a little.
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Garrett and/ or Harkless can play a tall 2-guard, it seems. Allows for mixing and matching and harder-to-penetrate defenses (if they're quick-footed).
Yeah I really see Amir at the 2.
Hopefully with Brown or Harrison.
That's prob going to be Lavin's selling point looking at our what we have now with Polee, Harkless and Sampson.
We'd look pretty good playing a zone with all that length on the court.
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Garrett and/ or Harkless can play a tall 2-guard, it seems. Allows for mixing and matching and harder-to-penetrate defenses (if they're quick-footed).
Garrett is considered one of the better defenders in the class.
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Does anyone know if Garret or Harkless can bring the ball up? Maybe distribute a little.
Neither of them have a tight enough handle that you would want them doing it in anything other than extraordinary circumstances. Frankly, even in the half-court, they need to tighten their respective handles this year in preparation for the BE.
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Does anyone know if Garret or Harkless can bring the ball up? Maybe distribute a little.
Neither of them have a tight enough handle that you would want them doing it in anything other than extraordinary circumstances. Frankly, even in the half-court, they need to tighten their respective handles this year in preparation for the BE.
It has been reported that D'Angelo Harrison can play the point so if we land him that leaves open the SG spot for guys like Garrett and Harkless. I think with these SF's Lavin can entice them to play together because they can effectively play 3 positions: SG, SF, and PF. Also he can entice guys like Harrison by telling him that he can play both the PG and SG. If we are planning on being an uptempo team like Lavin had at ucla there will be plenty of minutes to go around
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Does anyone know if Garret or Harkless can bring the ball up? Maybe distribute a little.
Neither of them have a tight enough handle that you would want them doing it in anything other than extraordinary circumstances. Frankly, even in the half-court, they need to tighten their respective handles this year in preparation for the BE.
It has been reported that D'Angelo Harrison can play the point so if we land him that leaves open the SG spot for guys like Garrett and Harkless. I think with these SF's Lavin can entice them to play together because they can effectively play 3 positions: SG, SF, and PF. Also he can entice guys like Harrison by telling him that he can play both the PG and SG. If we are planning on being an uptempo team like Lavin had at ucla there will be plenty of minutes to go around
Between minutes and shots, we'll see.
As you know, it's one thing in recruiting to tell the kids what they want to hear to secure a commitment, but, in reality, coaches always talk about playing to and maximizing a player's strength. In the case of Harrison, he's a scorer, one of the better ones in this particular class and rarely played the point on the national AAU level. My hope is that they can land Harrison and a quality pg.
This is actually a fairly good representation of his strengths and weaknesses.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/98922/dangelo-harrison (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/98922/dangelo-harrison)
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As you know, it's one thing in recruiting to tell the kids what they want to hear to secure a commitment, but, in reality, coaches always talk about playing to and maximizing a player's strength. In the case of Harrison, he's a scorer, one of the better ones in this particular class and rarely played the point on the national AAU level. My hope is that they can land Harrison and a quality pg.
This is actually a fairly good representation of his strengths and weaknesses.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/98922/dangelo-harrison (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/98922/dangelo-harrison)
It's ironic you posted that link, Sleaveless One. I read it prior to leaving work. Quite frankly, I had a feeling this was Harrison's strengths and weaknesses by reading about his play throughout the spring and summer.
He's capable of playing point guard, but it wouldn't be ideal for the long-term. Grab a quality PG and allow Harrison to log most of his minutes at the 2. Allow him to play some combo, but have moreso of a true PG setting things up for Harrison and others.
As, far as Garrett.... I'm hoping his official goes very well over the weekend and we soon garner a commitment.
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UPDATE: Amir Garrett was originally supposed to visit St. John’s this weekend, but the visit has been put off. He and D’Angelo Harrison are both supposed to visit St. John’s, perhaps for Midnight Madness Oct. 15, but will come at some point next month.
http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/09/22/garrett-to-visit-st-johns/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/09/22/garrett-to-visit-st-johns/)
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This sounds like good news if Harrison and Garrett visit together during Midnight Madness.
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Per NYC Hoops.... Don't be surprised if Amir Garrett commits to St. John's on or before Midnight madness (Oct 15. ).
[tweet]http://twitter.com/NYCHoops/status/25286602282[/tweet]
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http://coast2coastrecruiting.net/2010/09/amir-garrett-not-visiting-the-johnnies/ (http://coast2coastrecruiting.net/2010/09/amir-garrett-not-visiting-the-johnnies/)
I just talked to 6-foot-6 2011 Amir Garrett (Findlay Prep Findlay, NV) via text and he told me that he will not be visiting St Johns this weekend or like reported by some the 15th of October for Johnnies Midnight Madness run. I also asked him if he will be visiting them on another date and he responded with “Nope, Im not." When I asked if it was still St Johns and Oregon or if he added anybody else to the list he replied with “Im focusing on school right now.” Last month it was reported Garrett had a list of Oregon and St Johns at the top with Kansas, Miami and Boston College still in the mix.
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http://coast2coastrecruiting.net/2010/09/amir-garrett-not-visiting-the-johnnies/ (http://coast2coastrecruiting.net/2010/09/amir-garrett-not-visiting-the-johnnies/)
I just talked to 6-foot-6 2011 Amir Garrett (Findlay Prep Findlay, NV) via text and he told me that he will not be visiting St Johns this weekend or like reported by some the 15th of October for Johnnies Midnight Madness run. I also asked him if he will be visiting them on another date and he responded with “Nope, Im not.
Well that was fun while it lasted.
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Could just mean that's he's pretty much decided. Or he's waiting until spring.
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http://coast2coastrecruiting.net/2010/09/amir-garrett-not-visiting-the-johnnies/ (http://coast2coastrecruiting.net/2010/09/amir-garrett-not-visiting-the-johnnies/)
I just talked to 6-foot-6 2011 Amir Garrett (Findlay Prep Findlay, NV) via text and he told me that he will not be visiting St Johns this weekend or like reported by some the 15th of October for Johnnies Midnight Madness run. I also asked him if he will be visiting them on another date and he responded with “Nope, Im not." When I asked if it was still St Johns and Oregon or if he added anybody else to the list he replied with “Im focusing on school right now.” Last month it was reported Garrett had a list of Oregon and St Johns at the top with Kansas, Miami and Boston College still in the mix.
Yikes. Thats certainly a sudden turn of events. Doesn't sound good.
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Don't think negatively people. This could just mean good news is coming sooner rather than later. Hopefully I have something to deliver soon.
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Don't think negatively people. This could just mean good news is coming sooner rather than later. Hopefully I have something to deliver soon.
Nope.
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Don't think negatively people. This could just mean good news is coming sooner rather than later. Hopefully I have something to deliver soon.
Nope.
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Don't think negatively people. This could just mean good news is coming sooner rather than later. Hopefully I have something to deliver soon.
Nope.
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You won't have any positive to deliver about Garrett and STJ.
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Don't think negatively people. This could just mean good news is coming sooner rather than later. Hopefully I have something to deliver soon.
Nope.
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You won't have any positive to deliver about Garrett and STJ.
manbearpig asks to clarify that your saying theres only gonna be bad news regarding garrett?
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As much as we would like to have Garret & Pointer come here,
at this point with Polee, Harkless & Sampson already on board,
I think the most important recruits the next month are
the guards- Brown, Tharpe, Harrison & Sledge
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As much as we would like to have Garret & Pointer come here,
at this point with Polee, Harkless & Sampson already on board,
I think the most important recruits the next month are
the guards- Brown, Tharpe, Harrison & Sledge
As, much as I'd like to nab Garrett due to him favoring us at one point (he still may be favoring the Johnnies) and his versatility.... You're probably right, steve.
Two guys you've mentioned are kids whom I really want in Brown and Harrison. Grab one or both of those two and you can add Sledge, as his combination of speed and quickness could free those kids up for shots.
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theres still a good chance we get amir just because hes not taking an offiial doesnt mean hes not coming, he took an unofficial and remember jakarr commited to st johns without an official visit. Also st. john's is one of his top two at the moment. im not saying st johns will get him but we still got a good shot
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theres still a good chance we get amir just because hes not taking an offiial doesnt mean hes not coming, he took an unofficial and remember jakarr commited to st johns without an official visit. Also st. john's is one of his top two at the moment. im not saying st johns will get him but we still got a good shot
I'd have to agree with you Chris. Also welcome to the site look forward to seeing more posts from you.
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After getting Harkless and Sampson, I've chilled out. Lavin is off to a great start. We can honestly say that if we don't land a recruit, we will get the next one.
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Brand new mixtape on him. Seriously we need to lock this kid up. A more athletic DJ Kennedy sign me up!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYbEZn2Yu84&feature=player_embedded# (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYbEZn2Yu84&feature=player_embedded#)!
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the kid looks outstanding i want him so bad..dont care what you have to tell him this kid just looks like he will be a stud if he can round out his game..if i had to choose between all of our recruits one that i want the most it would be him.
I wish there was more video or sampson and harkless like the ones put together for garrett
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definitely reminds me of DJ...obviously more advanced than DJ was in high school...but sign me up for another DJ anyday.
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St. John's and Oregon are his top 2, by the way. Good interview/ article if you have Rivals access.
http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1131590 (http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1131590)
Being recruited by Rico, but talks to Lavin as well; doesn't mind going far away; can see himself playing the 2-guard.
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St. John's and Oregon are his top 2, by the way. Good interview/ article if you have Rivals access.
http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1131590 (http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1131590)
Being recruited by Rico, but talks to Lavin as well; doesn't mind going far away; can see himself playing the 2-guard.
He sounds like a mix between no nonsense and fed up with the whole recruiting process.
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St. John's and Oregon are his top 2, by the way. Good interview/ article if you have Rivals access.
http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1131590 (http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1131590)
Being recruited by Rico, but talks to Lavin as well; doesn't mind going far away; can see himself playing the 2-guard.
He sounds like a mix between no nonsense and fed up with the whole recruiting process.
I really like Garrett, but I really want Pointer. I don't think there is any way in hell we land both, but if we do the message is sent and we are officially WVU part II. Garrett and Pointer would SHUT DOWN the wings defensively.
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St. John's and Oregon are his top 2, by the way. Good interview/ article if you have Rivals access.
http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1131590 (http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1131590)
Being recruited by Rico, but talks to Lavin as well; doesn't mind going far away; can see himself playing the 2-guard.
Ah it came out on the record. His trip is not "not happening" its just not concrete. Even though I think Garrett is just not trying to tip his hand because he is tired of questions.
Also too I'd much prefer Garrett over Pointer. I like Garrett's game and his demeanor
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Given how bad we've been for a decade, I'd take either, but, if I had to choose, I'd take Garrett, based upon his offensive play this AAU season.
Dave,
Those BIL guys must've cut and edited literally every single basket of Garrett's in that package. They took a lot from three: Cabrillo/Long Beach/Pangos AA, Bishop Gorman/LV/Fab 48, and the HAX/Elite 24 practice in LA.
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Given how bad we've been for a decade, I'd take either, but, if I had to choose, I'd take Garrett, based upon his offensive play this AAU season.
Dave,
Those BIL guys must've cut and edited literally every single basket of Garrett's in that package. They took a lot from three: Cabrillo/Long Beach/Pangos AA, Bishop Gorman/LV/Fab 48, and the HAX/Elite 24 practice in LA.
Yea they list all the footage at the end of the video. I envy those guys being able to see all that basketball. I'm actually talking to Theo right now and we're both saying how we have to get out and see an IS8 game soon.
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Given how bad we've been for a decade, I'd take either, but, if I had to choose, I'd take Garrett, based upon his offensive play this AAU season.
Dave,
Those BIL guys must've cut and edited literally every single basket of Garrett's in that package. They took a lot from three: Cabrillo/Long Beach/Pangos AA, Bishop Gorman/LV/Fab 48, and the HAX/Elite 24 practice in LA.
Yea they list all the footage at the end of the video. I envy those guys being able to see all that basketball. I'm actually talking to Theo right now and we're both saying how we have to get out and see an IS8 game soon.
In the past, I would've said don't envy them, but at least one of their competitors is making a really sizable amount, courtesy of a deal with a network. The highlight videos have exploded in the last 4 years.
Hopefully, you guys catch some good games. Perhaps you or Theo know, do Kuran Iverson or Drummond ever come down to the IS8?
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Given how bad we've been for a decade, I'd take either, but, if I had to choose, I'd take Garrett, based upon his offensive play this AAU season.
Dave,
Those BIL guys must've cut and edited literally every single basket of Garrett's in that package. They took a lot from three: Cabrillo/Long Beach/Pangos AA, Bishop Gorman/LV/Fab 48, and the HAX/Elite 24 practice in LA.
Yea they list all the footage at the end of the video. I envy those guys being able to see all that basketball. I'm actually talking to Theo right now and we're both saying how we have to get out and see an IS8 game soon.
In the past, I would've said don't envy them, but at least one of their competitors is making a really sizable amount, courtesy of a deal with a network. The highlight videos have exploded in the last 4 years.
Hopefully, you guys catch some good games. Perhaps you or Theo know, do Kuran Iverson or Drummond ever come down to the IS8?
I haven't seen kids that young at IS8 the times that I've been there in the past. Kyle Anderson is probably the youngest kid I've seen personally at IS8. I'm sure they are there at the very least for playoffs (when everyone and anyone of note plays)
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I haven't seen kids that young at IS8 the times that I've been there in the past. Kyle Anderson is probably the youngest kid I've seen personally at IS8. I'm sure they are there at the very least for playoffs (when everyone and anyone of note plays)
do you mean kids that young playing in the high school divisions at IS8..? or young players in general. ..?
IS8 runs leagues for younger kids..
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I haven't seen kids that young at IS8 the times that I've been there in the past. Kyle Anderson is probably the youngest kid I've seen personally at IS8. I'm sure they are there at the very least for playoffs (when everyone and anyone of note plays)
do you mean kids that young playing in the high school divisions at IS8..? or young players in general. ..?
IS8 runs leagues for younger kids..
I have not personally seen that age group. I've only seen 2009-2012 players
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i think we need harrison,pelle, and either garrett or pointer, i prefer garrett cus he seems to keep getting better
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i think we need harrison,pelle, and either garrett or pointer, i prefer garrett cus he seems to keep getting better
I agree.... I want Harrison, Pelle and either Garrett or Pointer. But, Garrett does seem to be the better shooter (than Pointer). So, I'll give a slight edge to Garrett.
Maybe, there is some way we end up with both.
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From Garrett's twitter: "man I wanna go to homecoming but that same weekend is midnight madness and I might be going to St John's hopefully we come up with somethin"
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From Garrett's twitter: "man I wanna go to homecoming but that same weekend is midnight madness and I might be going to St John's hopefully we come up with somethin"
He wanna attend his high school's homecoming dance the same evening, as the Johnnies "Midnight Madness." He's still gonna take an official, whether it's Oct. 15th or another date.
The Johnnies are still in very good shape with Garrett. I know things can change, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Garrett end up with the Johnnies without taking an official.
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Any reason why midnight madness is no longer at midnight?
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Any reason why midnight madness is no longer at midnight?
Just a guess but I know the residents around STJ often complain about anything at night and late so that might have an impact on starting it at 7.
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Any reason why midnight madness is no longer at midnight?
NCAA rules have changed. Teams are allowed to start practices earlier and don't need to wait until midnight anymore.
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so amir isn't visiting oregon this weekend according to Adam Zagoria did he visit them unofficially at some point previously
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so amir isn't visiting oregon this weekend according to Adam Zagoria did he visit them unofficially at some point previously
An acquaintance, who used to cover recruiting nationally, but moved his base out there said he heard that Garrett was not going because his test scores weren't officially processed--and thus he couldn't go on his official yet. They are going to have a lot of both football and basketball recruits there for the weekend for the big Stanford game.
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Per Zags.... Amir Garrett of Findlay has no officials set, but Oregon coach Dana Altman came out last week and St.John's coming this wk, per Todd Simon
[tweet]http://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/26384725366[/tweet]
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Per Zags.... Amir Garrett of Findlay has no officials set, but Oregon coach Dana Altman came out last week and St.John's coming this wk, per Todd Simon
[tweet]http://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/26384725366[/tweet]
good lets get this commitment
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Per Zags.... St. John's Steve Lavin will see Naadir Tharpe, JaKarr Sampson, Amir Garrett, Norvell Pelle & God's Gift in the next week
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Per Zags.... St. John's Steve Lavin will see Naadir Tharpe, JaKarr Sampson, Amir Garrett, Norvell Pelle & God's Gift in the next week
Thats quite a list right there, Lavin is all over the place.
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well....
[tweet]http://twitter.com/Amir_Garrett/status/26519161621[/tweet]
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well....
[tweet]http://twitter.com/Amir_Garrett/status/26519161621[/tweet]
Please.... I hope no one hounds him. Allow him to have his moment, folk.
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Its a huge decision for this kid and hes been getting asked by everyone wheres hes going and once he commits he will have to talk to everyone about his choice so he probably just wants a break which is understandable. Maybe we will find out at the Red Storm Tip Off next Friday ;)
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crap i dk man is this good?
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Has Garrett ever set foot on Oregon's campus unoffically? I know he put the offical visit to Oregon on hold and has made it to Queens over the summer.
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My buddy who runs Oregon site says all indications point to him not choosing Oregon.
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Has Garrett ever set foot on Oregon's campus unoffically? I know he put the offical visit to Oregon on hold and has made it to Queens over the summer.
I don't recall him unofficially visiting Oregon. But, I could be wrong. I know he didn't make his official over the weekend.
The only thing I recall was Altman visiting Garrett on last week.
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My buddy who runs Oregon site says all indications point to him not choosing Oregon.
is kansas or another school still in the mix for him?
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My buddy who runs Oregon site says all indications point to him not choosing Oregon.
is kansas or another school still in the mix for him?
No- his last update he eliminated Kansas and was down to STJ and ORE
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I've gotten a few texts from non St John's people saying they've been told Garrett to St Johns but I don't hold much stock in these sources however I firmly believe that in this situation they will prove to be correct.
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He plays Baseball as well could be a score for both Teams : )
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He plays Baseball as well could be a score for both Teams : )
Pretty sure he's giving up baseball. I'm not even sure if he's playing this year at Findley.
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He plays Baseball as well could be a score for both Teams : )
Pretty sure he's giving up baseball. I'm not even sure if he's playing this year at Findley.
where did you see he was giving up baseball.?
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He plays Baseball as well could be a score for both Teams : )
Pretty sure he's giving up baseball. I'm not even sure if he's playing this year at Findley.
where did you see he was giving up baseball.?
There was article on Rivals where he was quoted as saying he's focused on basketball right now. Kind of surprised me he dismissed baseball so easily.
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http://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/26763039179 (http://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/26763039179)
St. John's HC Steve Lavin was at Findlay Prep yesterday visiting w Amir Garrett + is in North Carolina today 2 check out Dominique Pointer
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/10/08/lavin-visits-garrett-pointer/#more-40633 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/10/08/lavin-visits-garrett-pointer/#more-40633)
“They came by campus,” Findlay Prep assistant coach Todd Simon said of Lavin and assistant Rico Hines.
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I see that Amir Garrett has become friends with Johnny Jungle on facebook....a good sign I hope.
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Johnny Jungle is also friends with Lance Stephenson and Austin Freeman. I wouldn't look too much into it but I do use that account when interviewing recruits for editorial purposes.
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Good info thanks Dave. Just a random thought...we can dream.
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Amir won't be at midnight madness. He told me via text message that he is going back to his old school for homecoming.
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Amir won't be at midnight madness. He told me via text message that he is going back to his old school for homecoming.
its all good its not a bad thing but it aint a good thing i still think hes coming to sju
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Amir won't be at midnight madness. He told me via text message that he is going back to his old school for homecoming.
its all good its not a bad thing but it aint a good thing i still think hes coming to sju
Neal Nieves believes Garrett is a "lock" for the Johnnies. He mentioned this a day or two ago.
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Per Zagsblog....
Henderson (Nev.) Findlay Prep wing Amir Garrett will take his first official visit to Oregon this Friday, according to Findlay assistant Todd Simon.
“Amir visits Oregon Friday,” Simon said by text.
The 6-foot-7 Garrett lists Oregon and St. John’s as his top two, but Simon said no official to St. John’s has been planned as of yet.
“Not yet,” he said.
http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/10/19/garrett-to-visit-oregon-johnnies-visit-not-set/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/10/19/garrett-to-visit-oregon-johnnies-visit-not-set/)
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Free trip to tour Oregon and Nike...why not?
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Who coaches Oregon? Anyone we've heard of?
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Altman. We've already beaten him out for Polee and maybe at least 1 other.
I'm sure he's going to try and use our loaded class against us with Amir
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Altman. We've already beaten him out for Polee and maybe at least 1 other.
I'm sure he's going to try and use our loaded class against us with Amir
That approach didn't work for Beilein or Huggins with Pointer :) I'd really like to lock Amir up, because he is super athletic, long, and will be a lockdown defender. It'd be great to have two lockdown defenders.
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That approach didn't work for Beilein or Huggins with Pointer :) I'd really like to lock Amir up, because he is super athletic, long, and will be a lockdown defender. It'd be great to have two lockdown defenders.
I'd like to add Garrett, as well. Two lockdown defenders and more versatility for our Johnnies. Not to mention, his jumper has improved during the spring and summer months.
He and Pelle are the ones I'm really eyeing at this point.
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I think you need 4 great guards to win a national championship.
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How many of duke's guards would you have considered "great" last season, Poison?
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Sheyer played great. Great college player. Nolan Smith was great.
Kid, not sure what you're getting at, but Duke gets McDonald's AAs whenever they want.
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Sheyer played great. Great college player. Nolan Smith was great.
Kid, not sure what you're getting at, but Duke gets McDonald's AAs whenever they want.
What do you mean you don't know what I'm getitng at? You said 4 are needed for a national title. Duke had 2 great ones, and a good frosh in Dawkins. I'm disproving yourassertion.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/10/26/amir-garrett-may-sign-in-spring/#more-41579 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/10/26/amir-garrett-may-sign-in-spring/#more-41579)
Looks like he will wait until spring to sign. I like his attitude that hes not letting the fact that other very good wings have committed to SJU affect his decision. Seems like he wants to win and will welcome the friendly competition. I hope he visits us and lets Lavin work his magic. Him and Pelle seem like they will be the focus in the spring along with Gods Gift.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/10/26/amir-garrett-may-sign-in-spring/#more-41579 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/10/26/amir-garrett-may-sign-in-spring/#more-41579)
Looks like he will wait until spring to sign. I like his attitude that hes not letting the fact that other very good wings have committed to SJU affect his decision. Seems like he wants to win and will welcome the friendly competition. I hope he visits us and lets Lavin work his magic. Him and Pelle seem like they will be the focus in the spring along with Gods Gift.
Don't always believe what you read. This is no slight to Zags either but don't expect him to wait unless there is something I don't know about his academics.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/10/26/amir-garrett-may-sign-in-spring/#more-41579 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/10/26/amir-garrett-may-sign-in-spring/#more-41579)
Looks like he will wait until spring to sign. I like his attitude that hes not letting the fact that other very good wings have committed to SJU affect his decision. Seems like he wants to win and will welcome the friendly competition. I hope he visits us and lets Lavin work his magic. Him and Pelle seem like they will be the focus in the spring along with Gods Gift.
Don't always believe what you read. This is no slight to Zags either but don't expect him to wait unless there is something I don't know about his academics.
Zags is usually on top of things is why I posted it and if he does indeed sign in the early period would that hurt us because he hasn't even visited campus.
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it says he MAY wait
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/10/26/amir-garrett-may-sign-in-spring/#more-41579 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/10/26/amir-garrett-may-sign-in-spring/#more-41579)
Looks like he will wait until spring to sign. I like his attitude that hes not letting the fact that other very good wings have committed to SJU affect his decision. Seems like he wants to win and will welcome the friendly competition. I hope he visits us and lets Lavin work his magic. Him and Pelle seem like they will be the focus in the spring along with Gods Gift.
Don't always believe what you read. This is no slight to Zags either but don't expect him to wait unless there is something I don't know about his academics.
Zags is usually on top of things is why I posted it and if he does indeed sign in the early period would that hurt us because he hasn't even visited campus.
He has yet to be on an official visit, but Garrett has visited St. John's unofficially.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/10/26/amir-garrett-may-sign-in-spring/#more-41579 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2010/10/26/amir-garrett-may-sign-in-spring/#more-41579)
Looks like he will wait until spring to sign. I like his attitude that hes not letting the fact that other very good wings have committed to SJU affect his decision. Seems like he wants to win and will welcome the friendly competition. I hope he visits us and lets Lavin work his magic. Him and Pelle seem like they will be the focus in the spring along with Gods Gift.
Don't always believe what you read. This is no slight to Zags either but don't expect him to wait unless there is something I don't know about his academics.
Zags is usually on top of things is why I posted it and if he does indeed sign in the early period would that hurt us because he hasn't even visited campus.
No fault to Zags as he's reporting what he's getting from Garrett which is exactly his job. I'm telling you that the only reason he'd SIGN in the spring would be due to some sort of academic issue. I have to look into that deeper though.
Not to compare Garrett to Derwin Kitchen as their situations aren't similar but just to remind people that when Kitchen signed here and was not cleared academically that prevented him from coming here again after he went to JUCO.
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would Lavin let Garrett play baseball for SJU ? Amazing how some people can excel at 2 sports !
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would Lavin let Garrett play baseball for SJU ? Amazing how some people can excel at 2 sports !
Not sure if he would but I don't think it matters as Garrett has said he isn't playing baseball in college.
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Saw a guy interview him on Fox and Garrett said he throws 93 MPH !
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The other players on the team will need a catchers mitt to catch Amirs passes. :)
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hope his passes have no movement like his fastball :)
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Remember Terry Bross ? He played basketball and baseball at SJU. The mets drafted him. The guy was taller then Randy Johnson.
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Respond much to yourself?
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Dashingwave2010- I know you're new so but it should be pretty evident by the way everyone conducts themselves here that posting 4 times in a row with 1 sentence spamming a thread is unacceptable. You can simply edit your post if something slipped your mind or you can delete and repost.
You should post in the new members thread, tell everyone about yourself.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=5763252 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=5763252)
Considering:
Oregon St. John's UNLV California Kansas
Why they want him: Garrett is a high-flying, high-energy wing who will excel in an up-tempo system. His combination of length and lateral quickness are his big attributes as well as the attitude and toughness to be a great defender. If he continues to improve his shooting and ballhandling skills, he has a good chance to rise up the rankings.
Recruiting update: Garrett, who says Oregon and St John's are the leaders, is leaning toward signing in the late period. He had a great official visit to Oregon, but is being patient as he sorts through the recruiting process. Coach Steve Lavin is tough to beat on the recruiting trail and the fact that Garrett has West Coast ties could make it interesting.
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@TheRecruitScoop - Alex Kline
Findlay Prep star Amir Garrett will take an official visit to St. John's tomorrow. He will be accompanied by Norvel Pelle on the visit.
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Oh man this is going to be a HUGE weekend. seal the deal with pelle and amir grab one or 2 other juco bigs and we are set up for a great future
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potentially HUUUUUGE weekend ahead!!!
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Wow this is great news for us that they are visiting together this weekend.
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what do they say on rivals about this story
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We'd be like WV on steriods if we landed these two. Seriously, WV had no great PG and no great center, but they had three long, athletic, and versatile wings--two were only SOPH's! They made it to the Final Four with that trio, b/c they were just too long and athletic and could play inside and out.
We'd have a MUCH BETTER backcourt in three years with Thomas, Lindsey, and Harrison. We'd have a much better center to complement the athletic wings in Pelle. And we'd have five RIDICULOUS forwards that would all be older than Ebanks and Jones were.
Just think about how athletic and long guys like Pelle, Harkless, Pointer, POLEE, GARRETT, and Sampson are. I'm guessing Sampson would be the Ebanks-type player for this squad.
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Here is the article from Rivals: http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1148462 (http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1148462)
St. John's has fortified themselves with a bevy of Rivals.com 4-star recruits.
Rivals.com 5-star Norvel Pelle
This weekend, Johnnies head coach Steve Lavin and his coaching staff will be entertaining two more high level recruits and it's quite possible that they score a commitment from one or both.
This weekend, Findley Prep star, Amir Garrett will be taking an official visit to the campus of St. John's. Arriving at the same will be another high major recruit, Norvel Pelle, who will also be taking an official visit.
At 6'5", Garrett is a Rivals.com 4-star senior that plays with energy, has a nice lefty stroke from deep and is the owner of game-changing athleticism and straight-line speed. Garrett hails from Henderson, Nevada.
Pelle is a Rivals 5-star player from Compton, CA who also brings athleticism to the table. The 6'10" center is ranked number two at his position and fits perfectly into Lavin's up-tempo style of play.
The Johnnies are on a roll after securing the commitments in the 2010 class with Dwayne Polee, while adding Maurice Harkless, D'Angelo Harrison, Dominique Pointer, Jakarr Sampson and Nurideen Lindsey in their 2011 class. Most recently, SJU picked up an additional commitment from Jevon Thomas to start off their 2012 class.
With the early signing period beginning next Wednesday, obtaining a commitment of one or both of their weekend guests would be a major coupe' for the St. John's program.
Stay tuned to St. John's Eye of the Storm message board for updates.
FWIW, Jerry Meyer also believes SJU is the team to beat for Pelle.
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Show this kid some love tomorrow at the scrimmage. He's felt unerappreciated the whole recruiting process. He is an elite talent and deserves more respect. If we make him feel wanted, we probably have him signed next week.
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Show this kid some love tomorrow at the scrimmage. He's felt unerappreciated the whole recruiting process. He is an elite talent and deserves more respect. If we make him feel wanted, we probably have him signed next week.
Underappreciated?
Give me a break.
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Show this kid some love tomorrow at the scrimmage. He's felt unerappreciated the whole recruiting process. He is an elite talent and deserves more respect. If we make him feel wanted, we probably have him signed next week.
Let him know that if he (and Pelle) verbally commit this weekend then they'll get showered with lots of love and appreciation. ;)
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Show this kid some love tomorrow at the scrimmage. He's felt unerappreciated the whole recruiting process. He is an elite talent and deserves more respect. If we make him feel wanted, we probably have him signed next week.
I think that all the posters have showed respect for him.
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I think Marillac means generally on a national basis.
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In my interview with Neal Nieves on my show he mentioned that Amir did feel slighted not being recruited by some of the bigger local schools.
If you missed it...
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/10503014 (http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/10503014)
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Show this kid some love tomorrow at the scrimmage. He's felt unerappreciated the whole recruiting process. He is an elite talent and deserves more respect. If we make him feel wanted, we probably have him signed next week.
Underappreciated?
Give me a break.
???
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Garrett is supposedly sticking to his guns on being a spring signee.
Per Zags.... Amir Garrett has always maintained he would sign late (in the spring) and that hasn't changed after his SJU visit
[tweet]https://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/1402547562614784[/tweet]
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Dave Telep says on twitter, Garrett will sign with St. John's tomorrow
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Dave Telep says on twitter, Garrett will sign with St. John's tomorrow
evan daniels said amir confirmed it.....and another one :D
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Amir himself just confirmed on twitter
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[tweet]http://twitter.com/Amir_Garrett/status/4742772032544768[/tweet]
I will be attending st johns next year
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Welcome Amir!!
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Welcome Amir, to the capital of the world!
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unreal
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Welcome aboard, Amir! I like the fact we're adding another guy with huge potential (as, his game grew over the spring and summer) to our 2011 class.
Not to mention, he and Pointer are two of the better on-ball defenders in the 2011 class. Practices should be crazy wild in Queens a season from now.
Once again.... Welcome, Amir!
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This is bananas.
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Just think, a year from now, we'll be talented.
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Wow, this is amazing. I wonder if Amir was worried about losing his spot in the class if he waited until the spring after seeing Meikle sign today.
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How soon can I order tickets for Midnight Madness?
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Wow, this is amazing. I wonder if Amir was worried about losing his spot in the class if he waited until the spring after seeing Meikle sign today.
We would have held a spot for Garrett as long as we needed to, so I don't think one has anything to do with the other. Assuming Meikle is really 6'9", I think it's God's Gift Achiuwa's spot that may have been lost, especially since we'll take Chandler over him if given the opportunity. That's of course also assuming that GGA really wants to come here.
I can also see Greene coming aboard and Stith and Q deciding to finish their careers elsewhere.
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Welcome, Amir!
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Wow I really expected him to wait until the spring. This is amazing we will be so talented next year we could field two teams and I think they would both beat any of Norm's teams
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Just think, a year from now, we'll be talented.
low blow poison. u wont even give our seniors a chance wow.
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amazing!
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Kob, this is on them. They have the coach now. I'll give them some time, but we should consider that sometimes, it's the player.
Remember Zendon? He was terrible with Mahoney, and terrible with Frascilla. That's what happens if you just refuse to pass.
These kids have this pre season to pick up what Lavin and Co are teaching them. We'll know by the end of Dec what we've got.
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Wow, this is amazing. I wonder if Amir was worried about losing his spot in the class if he waited until the spring after seeing Meikle sign today.
We would have held a spot for Garrett as long as we needed to, so I don't think one has anything to do with the other. Assuming Meikle is really 6'9", I think it's God's Gift Achiuwa's spot that may have been lost, especially since we'll take Chandler over him if given the opportunity. That's of course also assuming that GGA really wants to come here.
I can also see Greene coming aboard and Stith and Q deciding to finish their careers elsewhere.
Could you imagine a team of ALL first-years and 1 sophomore? That's just strange.
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Amazing, wow.
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Just think, a year from now, we'll be talented.
low blow poison. u wont even give our seniors a chance wow.
KOB
I think we have a shot at the tourney, but imo it will depend on Justin. 10 and 7 will go a long way towards us making the tourney. He needs to play as he did as a Frosh. If he can't I do not think we have nearly enough talent up front to make it.
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Seriously. He's a senior. JB is so much more talented than any St.M's big man.
If not now, when?
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Kob, this is on them. They have the coach now. I'll give them some time, but we should consider that sometimes, it's the player.
Remember Zendon? He was terrible with Mahoney, and terrible with Frascilla. That's what happens if you just refuse to pass.
These kids have this pre season to pick up what Lavin and Co are teaching them. We'll know by the end of Dec what we've got.
I sure do remember Zendon, Poison. I remember telling a friend (who is a fan of G'town) that the Johnnies would be better, the following year, once Lopez, Hamilton and Turner were gone. He didn't think that would be the case and figured I was shortchanging what those guys meant to the Johnnies during the '97-'98 season.
I told him, we would be bringing in better talent (Barkley and Thornton); other good players would be a year older (Artest, Postell, Grant and Jessie) and Hamilton was a "black hole" and someone we would definitely be better off without.
Voila'! The team was a basket away from going to the Final Four the following season.
We'll be young next season, but I just believe we'll have a better team a season from now. I still believe this year can and will be a success. But, I think we'll occasionally see some of the same things we've been witnessing in the past due to the talent level.
Thanks for joining the resurrection of the Johnnies, Amir!
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Welcome aboard Amir!!!!
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i feel u but u still dont have to be mean. they never disrespected ur school. never raped a chick never got caught stealing lap tops. never got caught killing a teammate then hiding it. they had 3 years of bad coaching. miracles wont happen in 3 months. bad habits will have to change give them at least 6-8 games.
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they had 3 years of bad coaching. miracles wont happen in 3 months. bad habits will have to change give them at least 6-8 games.
This.
I think they could stumble in Alaska, not because they're terrible but because Lavin is teaching/ training. Obviously he doesn't feel he's gotten through to everyone, or he would go a little deeper into the bench; he's breaking stubborn habits (see: Evans).
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Kob, I want these kids to graduate, and get great jobs. I don't see the NBA in their future.
It's not about being mean, it's about being a realist.
Hopefully, I'm wrong about their talent level, and it really was the coach all along.
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Kob, I want these kids to graduate, and get great jobs. I don't see the NBA in their future.
It's not about being mean, it's about being a realist.
Hopefully, I'm wrong about their talent level, and it really was the coach all along.
I agree with you. Not now, but at sometime during the season (hopefully not) it's possible people will realize maybe that players on this team right now just aren't as good as we though they were.
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This tangent should be taken to another thread. This should be about Amir.
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Welcome Amir! Absolutely amazing class!
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On Amir's twitter....."game tonight,it feels sooo good to be a johnny....leggo"
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http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/nov/17/st-johns-signee-amir-garrett-leads-findlay-prep-vi/ (http://www.lasvegassun.com/news/2010/nov/17/st-johns-signee-amir-garrett-leads-findlay-prep-vi/)
Amir goes for 24pts and 12 rebs in his first game of the season
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http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/onthetrail (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/onthetrail)
ESPNU's Recruiting Insider show will feature ESPN's Director of Recruiting Paul Biancardi discussing Amir Garrett's decision to sign with St. John's along with Amir Williams' Ohio State choice.
Biancardi and host Lowell Galindo will also talk about the end of the signing period, in particular the recruiting classes in the ACC. The program airs at 5 p.m. ET on ESPNU.
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Per Dave Telep (ESPN Recruiting).... "How players attack evaluation periods"
Players use the spring evaluation period as a time to build up their reputation and a perfect example is ESPNU 100 SF Amir Garrett (Los Angeles, Calif./Findlay Prep), who was more likely to be seen on a baseball diamond than a basketball court in college heading into spring last year.
However, if he wanted to play big-time college hoops, the CIF player of the year had a small window to make his national mark as a basketball player. The months of April, May and the early part of June were pivotal for him to begin his ascent up the recruiting charts and turn collegiate interest into offers.
The play for Garrett, who at the time attended Leuzinger High School in Lawndale, Calif., started to erupt in April and May on the AAU circuit, which is when most prospects look to catch the attention of scouts in order to get on the radar of the college programs.
However, Garrett needed late May and early June to make his point as a hooper.
"In the spring, what really got me out there was the Pangos Camp and then I got invited to NBAPA Camp," said Garrett. "I played well in the summer against all the top players."
Despite owning hand-written letters from only Montana State and Connecticut last spring (the Huskies signed Donnell Beverly out of Leuzinger two years prior), Garrett was able to finally earn a high-major offer.
Following Pangos camp, Arizona offered him a scholarship.
"They hadn't seen me but I think they saw a video," said Garrett.
While Garrett juggled his basketball expectations and interest, he was shuttling back and forth between AAU and USA Baseball events where he was a pitcher. Most elite college players focus in on hoops only during this time, but Garrett hadn't yet gotten rid of his baseball itch.
Four months following his spring work, Garrett signed with the St. John's Red Storm at the close of the early signing period.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=5839343 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=5839343)
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Garrett went for 21 (3-4 from behind the arc) and 7 rebounds against IMG Academy back on November, 20th.
http://hoopniks.com/2-findlay-prep-defeats-img-136-69 (http://hoopniks.com/2-findlay-prep-defeats-img-136-69)
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Most recent video highlighting Garrett....
Nick Johnson, Myck Kabongo & Amir Garrett Lead Findlay Prep to Blowout Wins! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jfCjLf-tqk#ws)
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Ok that opening alley oop and that jam by Nick Johnson at the end was completely RIDICULOUS!
Findlay might be able to beat St. John's.
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nick johnson is ridiculous
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Amir Garrett scored 7 with 6 rebounds, 5 steals, 2 blocks in Findlay Prep's win on Friday night.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/onthetrail (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/onthetrail)
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Amir Garrett, Findlay Prep- He's still got some areas in his game where he breaks down and loses an assignment. But, he generally makes up for it. A long and explosive wing scorer, he's gone from a guy who relied on his ability to make things happen on the glass and in transition to a guy who can also drain open looks from out on the floor.
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1161696 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1161696)
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One of the entries on YouTube called Garrett, "Wesley Johnson, Jr." We can only hope, huh?
Premierball.COM Presents Amir Garrett (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hNPiR7BTYZ8#ws)
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How good does Nick Johnson always look? Jesus, that kid is going to be something special.
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How good does Nick Johnson always look? Jesus, that kid is going to be something special.
Right? My word, he is going to be a sick player. And he comes with swagger, too.
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How good does Nick Johnson always look? Jesus, that kid is going to be something special.
Right? My word, he is going to be a sick player. And he comes with swagger, too.
I wonder if it's swagger to a fault, though?
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How good does Nick Johnson always look? Jesus, that kid is going to be something special.
Right? My word, he is going to be a sick player. And he comes with swagger, too.
I wonder if it's swagger to a fault, though?
Everyone that I've talked to about him say he's a good kid and a clown. I still wish we would have gotten him.
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Kob, I want these kids to graduate, and get great jobs. I don't see the NBA in their future.
It's not about being mean, it's about being a realist.
Hopefully, I'm wrong about their talent level, and it really was the coach all along.
Quoted again for truth.
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Highlights from Findlay Prep's games from over the weekend at the Mike Miller Classic....
http://www.ballislife.com/ (http://www.ballislife.com/)
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Amir Garrett scored 14, with 9 rebounds & 5 assists in Findlay Prep's throttling of Arizona Prep on Saturday night.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/onthetrail (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/onthetrail)
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Findlay Prep an ESPNU on Monday 1/17 at 3PM
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http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/high_school/basketball/findlay_garrett_excited_about_future_O5mLNJ3UCcSRHOTICaF9PO (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/high_school/basketball/findlay_garrett_excited_about_future_O5mLNJ3UCcSRHOTICaF9PO)
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Findlay Prep's game versus Bishop Gorman on last weekend. Some nice clips in here from Garrett....
http://www.ballislife.com/video/findlay-prep-beats-bishop (http://www.ballislife.com/video/findlay-prep-beats-bishop)
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Findlay Prep's game versus Bishop Gorman on last weekend. Some nice clips in here from Garrett....
http://www.ballislife.com/video/findlay-prep-beats-bishop (http://www.ballislife.com/video/findlay-prep-beats-bishop)
Nice clips of Amir. I really think if he were the go to guy on his team his numbers would be great but hes just one of a bunch of very good players who all share the ball and score. It hurts his rankings somewhat but it will help him a lot next year because hes going to be a 6th man type player and I think he can be awesome in that role. He does a little bit of everything and doesn't need to score 20 to be an impact player.
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Findlay Prep's game versus Bishop Gorman on last weekend. Some nice clips in here from Garrett....
http://www.ballislife.com/video/findlay-prep-beats-bishop (http://www.ballislife.com/video/findlay-prep-beats-bishop)
Nice clips of Amir. I really think if he were the go to guy on his team his numbers would be great but hes just one of a bunch of very good players who all share the ball and score. It hurts his rankings somewhat but it will help him a lot next year because hes going to be a 6th man type player and I think he can be awesome in that role. He does a little bit of everything and doesn't need to score 20 to be an impact player.
Justin Anderson, who's also a freak athlete, flat out shut him down last night.
Unfortunately, he also got dunked on so badly last night by little Tyrone Johnson in the closing minutes of a blowout loss. Hoopmixtape caught it and maybe BallIsLife did too. It would've been the #1 play on SC.
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Unfortunately, he also got dunked on so badly last night by little Tyrone Johnson in the closing minutes of a blowout loss. Hoopmixtape caught it and maybe BallIsLife did too. It would've been the #1 play on SC.
Johnson dropped a couple of F bombs along the way, as well.
Tyrone Johnson Dunks ALL OVER Amir Garrett! Crazy POSTER! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmcdlYMYHp0#ws)
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happens to everyone...Amir will have a chance for revenge on the next level.
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I heard Tyrone was jawing with Nick Johnson all game. Can anyone comment on what went down between those two?
I don't think this dunk is a big deal. Garrett was too slow rotating, but that's the difference between west coast ball and the more physical east. It won't take long before he knows how to prevent that from happening.
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Against a significantly easier opponent (Newark Eastside..two MM kids--Tariq Carey and Chandler), he played much better.
15 points, 7 rebounds
This is the fourth game I've seen of his with Findlay this year.
He's still got a limited mid-range game, relying on put backs, dish-offs, fast break points, and wide open three-pointers (hit two today).
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from what ive seen of him its his passng instincts that have stood out to me.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/02/18/amir-garrett-hyped-to-play-for-johnnies/#more-47343 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/02/18/amir-garrett-hyped-to-play-for-johnnies/#more-47343)
Even from as far away as Henderson, Nev., Amir Garrett has his eye on St. John’s.
Garrett watched the Johnnies blow out Duke at Madison Square Garden.
He saw them hammer UConn on national television.
And he’s kept up with their recent road wins over Cincinnati and Marquette.
“Oh yeah, I watched them, man. I was hyped,” the 6-foot-6, 200-pound Garrett said Sunday before scoring 15 points and grabbing 7 rebounds in Findlay Prep’s 76-50 victory over Newark East Side in the PrimeTime Shootout at Kean University.
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I know this had been speculated by some when we were recruiting him....A left-handed pitcher who throws in the 90s, Garrett said he’s also considering playing baseball at St. John’s.
“Maybe, we’ll see,” he said. “Right now, I’m not really sure. I’m just weighing all my options, so it’s all right.”
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Adding Garrett to the baseball team would be huge. I know for a fact he does not throw in the 90's but scouts are looking at him because of his size, arm, and athleticism. With that being said, not to many guys can play basketball and baseball cause their seasons overlap. There was a guy recently that was a big time player(brackman-NCSt-Yankees) but he is not on that level. I think at this point, he is definitely just a basketball player, but if pro scouts get in his ear, he could want to do both.
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It wouldn't hurt the baseball team having a lefty pitcher out of the bullpen that doesn't occupy a scholarship for them.
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Elite 24 Amir Garrett Talks College Mixtape (St. Johns Commit) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajuhEJ4ffmA#ws)
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From what ive seen of amir I think hes more fit to play power forward than polee is now. Amir seems to be getting bigger as the year progresses with still more room to grow, much like polee
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From what ive seen of amir I think hes more fit to play power forward than polee is now. Amir seems to be getting bigger as the year progresses with still more room to grow, much like polee
no cus he plays really good perimeter D and a big power forward would just destroy him
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I dont think its his best posistion I just think he would fair better than polee at it.
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Garrett is the size of Paris Horne. Asking him to play the 3 at the college level is ambitious enough.
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Garrett is the size of Paris Horne. Asking him to play the 3 at the college level is ambitious enough.
Garrett is 6'6 and Paris is 6'3 there is a little difference there although I agree I don't see Garrett playing the 4
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He reminds me of DJ Kennedy but I think Amir is more skilled. DJ could not shoot when he came in as a freshman. Amir's shot definitely looks better at the same point in their careers.
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Garrett is the size of Paris Horne. Asking him to play the 3 at the college level is ambitious enough.
Garrett is 6'6 and Paris is 6'3 there is a little difference there although I agree I don't see Garrett playing the 4
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Garrett is a 3/2 and he's bigger than Paris easily.
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Hes much more comparable to dj and paris. Both in seize and overall game imo
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Garrett is the size of Paris Horne. Asking him to play the 3 at the college level is ambitious enough.
LOL Garrett is most often listed at 6'6 and I've seen him listed at 6'7. Paris was 6'3. Garrett also has absurd length and has played the PF before. The scouting reports before Findley had him a post man that was transitioning to the wing.
I think Garrett would be simlar to Polee in the post--he can probably handle his own but is not an ideal four. The good news is that we play a zone and Garrett and Polee will both be able to defend three positions.
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At the Westmont game, I walked past him and I'm telling you, he's not 6'5. I'm not sure he's 6'4.
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At the Westmont game, I walked past him and I'm telling you, he's not 6'5. I'm not sure he's 6'4.
Garrett?
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Yes
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At the Westmont game, I walked past him and I'm telling you, he's not 6'5. I'm not sure he's 6'4.
whatever he is, he is taller than paris
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Yes
Seen him twice in person I say he's 6'6.
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I'm 6'3. No way he's more than a hair taller than me. Unless I'm growing, and that would be something.
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I dont care what height he is when he gets to the rim he will dunk on anyone in america. He would have one the NBA dunk contest easy.
http://blip.tv/play/huZEgrHUcwI (http://blip.tv/play/huZEgrHUcwI)
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Garrett highlights start around the 1:47 mark (Ballislife All-American Game Mix)....
http://www.ballislife.com/ (http://www.ballislife.com/)
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Garrett highlights start around the 1:47 mark (Ballislife All-American Game Mix)....
http://www.ballislife.com/ (http://www.ballislife.com/)
Good lord what a block.
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I think this kid looks so underrated. He has a nice skill set and as we have seen by his play in HS is willing to play any role in order to help the team win. Garrett is a guy that doesn't need to score to be an effective player but I think he has the tools to be one of it not the best all around player in the class of ours.
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I think this kid looks so underrated. He has a nice skill set and as we have seen by his play in HS is willing to play any role in order to help the team win. Garrett is a guy that doesn't need to score to be an effective player but I think he has the tools to be one of it not the best all around player in the class of ours.
I second that wods.
You see these highlights of him and he is not allowed to do any of this on his highschool team. I think if given the chance he will really be able to blossom into a capable scorer.
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I second that wods.
You see these highlights of him and he is not allowed to do any of this on his highschool team. I think if given the chance he will really be able to blossom into a capable scorer.
He just accepted his role with Findlay and played the team game, per se'. It's good he did so, as he showed he is a team-first guy. OTOH, you can also see what he can do when given the opportunity (to show his skills). He seems capable of doing much more than what he showed at Findlay.
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I believe today Garrett had a statement similar to Harrison and basically said SJU will win it all.
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So let's get this straight....our sixth highest ranked recruit just won MVP of a pretty respectable All-Star game ? :) My how things have changed.
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So let's get this straight....our sixth highest ranked recruit just won MVP of a pretty respectable All-Star game ? :) My how things have changed.
No kidding! LOL Seems like night and day over the past year. Garrett has some herky-jerky to his game.
Is it October yet?
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No kidding! LOL Seems like night and day over the past year. Garrett has some herky-jerky to his game.
Is it October yet?
I agree mjdinkins I can't wait for October! This team is going to take its lumps but boy are these guys going to be fun to watch and root for.
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No kidding! LOL Seems like night and day over the past year. Garrett has some herky-jerky to his game.
Is it October yet?
I agree mjdinkins I can't wait for October! This team is going to take its lumps but boy are these guys going to be fun to watch and root for.
Everyone gave this graduating class props for coming here when we were down.
This class should also be held in a similar light. They came here to a coach who hadn't coached in 7 years and committed pretty much before even seeing us play. They took a big leap and put STJ back on the map. Even some knowing they would be joined by so many others.
Really can't wait to see these guys over the next 4 yrs.
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Everyone gave this graduating class props for coming here when we were down.
This class should also be held in a similar light. They came here to a coach who hadn't coached in 7 years and committed pretty much before even seeing us play. They took a big leap and put STJ back on the map. Even some knowing they would be joined by so many others.
Really can't wait to see these guys over the next 4 yrs.
I agree! The graduating class opened the door. I have a hunch this class is gonna knock down walls!
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Garrett is BALLISLIFE Player of the Week.... Most of the same highlights we saw about a week ago.
http://www.ballislife.com/video/65-amir-garrett-is-ballislife (http://www.ballislife.com/video/65-amir-garrett-is-ballislife)
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Another angle of that sick dunk during the Ball is Life All American practice.
http://www.ballislife.com/video/video/show?id=2030901%3AVideo%3A203637 (http://www.ballislife.com/video/video/show?id=2030901%3AVideo%3A203637)
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Just a point of interest/clarification, but the thread title has Garrett as hailing from lawndale California, but he is actually a Nevada native, I believe originally from Henderson Nevada. He was at Sierra Vista HS, transferred to Leuzinger in Lawndale, but isn't from California.
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Thanks for the heads up MCNPA...Hard to get an accurate read on all the players with all the transferring that goes on. The hometown's vary depending on who posts it. Sometimes we list their current location other times it is where they were born and raised. I looked it up and he is from Las Vegas or at least that is where he played his first 2 years of high school. I think Henderson, NV is where Findlay Prep is located.
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Henderson is essentially Las Vegas as well. It's like saying Kew Gardens instead of New York.
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Here's a picture of Amir pitching for some scouts. Any chance he'll be playing for the baseball team next year as well?
http://twitpic.com/4tea7l (http://twitpic.com/4tea7l)
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Here's a picture of Amir pitching for some scouts. Any chance he'll be playing for the baseball team next year as well?
http://twitpic.com/4tea7l (http://twitpic.com/4tea7l)
Don't like the looks of him pitching for 'scouts.
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Same here. I always wondered if he was going to play baseball in college, but that was the extent of it. Is he that good of a pitcher?
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Same here. I always wondered if he was going to play baseball in college, but that was the extent of it. Is he that good of a pitcher?
Pitching in college is one thing. Still not a fan of that honestly.
But pitching for MLB scouts with the possibility of being drafted is a little scary. A 6 figure bonus can change a lot of ppl's outlook. But Amir seems to really want to play basketball at STJ from the sound of his tweets and videos and interviews.
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One Iverson may have been enough for Georgetown
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Same here. I always wondered if he was going to play baseball in college, but that was the extent of it. Is he that good of a pitcher?
Claim is that he brings it at 95 mph
Somehow I managed to post an Iverson on this tread ::)
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Here's a picture of Amir pitching for some scouts. Any chance he'll be playing for the baseball team next year as well?
http://twitpic.com/4tea7l (http://twitpic.com/4tea7l)
A lefty who throws 93 Amir is gonna get some serious looks. Hopefully he likes basketball a little more than baseball. Some more info...
http://minors.mlblogs.com/2011/05/04/draft-could-amir-garrett-play-baseball/ (http://minors.mlblogs.com/2011/05/04/draft-could-amir-garrett-play-baseball/)
http://minors.mlblogs.com/2011/05/05/amir-garrett-update/ (http://minors.mlblogs.com/2011/05/05/amir-garrett-update/)
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Actually it was pointed out to me last night by someone when discussing this that getting drafted and signing a pro contract wouldnt necessarily stop Amir from playing basketball at STJ. Kyle Parker of Clemson was drafted last year, signed in August and still returned to QB Clemson. So both can be done.
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Actually it was pointed out to me last night by someone when discussing this that getting drafted and signing a pro contract wouldnt necessarily stop Amir from playing basketball at STJ. Kyle Parker of Clemson was drafted last year, signed in August and still returned to QB Clemson. So both can be done.
That is true, Moose. Parker wasn't gonna come back to Clemson this past season (his sophomore year), as he feels baseball is probably gonna be his bread and butter. Dabo Sweeney is one smooth talker and convinced Parker to come back for one last hurrah.
By the way, Clemson also had a kid by the name of Roscoe Crosby do the same several years ago. I also believe Trajan Langdon did the same when he signed with Duke.
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You can do it in most leagues (not the Ivy, which is why Chris Young stopped his playing career at Princeton to get some baseball cheddar).
Andrew Brackman - NC State center and was a Yankee minor league pitcher for a while, even as he played for the Wolfpack - not sure if he got traded, I don't follow the Yankees. Jeff Samardzija played short season ball with the Cubs while a receiver at Notre Dame. It's ok to do.
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You can do it in most leagues (not the Ivy, which is why Chris Young stopped his playing career at Princeton to get some baseball cheddar).
Andrew Brackman - NC State center and was a Yankee minor league pitcher for a while, even as he played for the Wolfpack - not sure if he got traded, I don't follow the Yankees. Jeff Samardzija played short season ball with the Cubs while a receiver at Notre Dame. It's ok to do.
Brackman quit basketball in college to focus on baseball in college. He double dipped in college for a short time but never pro and college at the same time.
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He will get drafted, according to Jonathan Mayo since he has not pitched a game in a long time, the jury is out.
My son's team played Garrett a few years back in the travel circuit. Amir was probably a freshman going on Soph that summer
I believe he was around 6'3" and threw pretty hard. My son did not face him though when he pitched a few innings.
I was under the assumption that he would pitch at St Johns possibly.
I cant recall if Terry Bross pitched a year in the Mets minor league system while playing STJ hoops?
Scott Burrell at UCONN may have pitched professionally as well while playing college hoops?
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Just a point of interest/clarification, but the thread title has Garrett as hailing from lawndale California, but he is actually a Nevada native, I believe originally from Henderson Nevada. He was at Sierra Vista HS, transferred to Leuzinger in Lawndale, but isn't from California.
I thought the same thing originally, he has family in SoCal and just did one year here leading his school to CIF title at a junior. Believe he was player of the year.
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You can do it in most leagues (not the Ivy, which is why Chris Young stopped his playing career at Princeton to get some baseball cheddar).
Andrew Brackman - NC State center and was a Yankee minor league pitcher for a while, even as he played for the Wolfpack - not sure if he got traded, I don't follow the Yankees. Jeff Samardzija played short season ball with the Cubs while a receiver at Notre Dame. It's ok to do.
Brackman quit basketball in college to focus on baseball in college. He double dipped in college for a short time but never pro and college at the same time.
Ah, you are correct. Got my years mixed up.
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Just a point of interest/clarification, but the thread title has Garrett as hailing from lawndale California, but he is actually a Nevada native, I believe originally from Henderson Nevada. He was at Sierra Vista HS, transferred to Leuzinger in Lawndale, but isn't from California.
I thought the same thing originally, he has family in SoCal and just did one year here leading his school to CIF title at a junior. Believe he was player of the year.
Danny Ainge made All American in 1979, 1980 and 1981 at BYU. Those same years he wsn't in "a big league organization", he was playing 3rd bse and centerfield IN the Big Leauges for the Blue Jays....
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Just a point of interest/clarification, but the thread title has Garrett as hailing from lawndale California, but he is actually a Nevada native, I believe originally from Henderson Nevada. He was at Sierra Vista HS, transferred to Leuzinger in Lawndale, but isn't from California.
I thought the same thing originally, he has family in SoCal and just did one year here leading his school to CIF title at a junior. Believe he was player of the year.
Danny Ainge made All American in 1979, 1980 and 1981 at BYU. Those same years he wsn't in "a big league organization", he was playing 3rd bse and centerfield IN the Big Leauges for the Blue Jays....
That was a long time ago but I forgot how bad a baseball player he was ;D
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Just a point of interest/clarification, but the thread title has Garrett as hailing from lawndale California, but he is actually a Nevada native, I believe originally from Henderson Nevada. He was at Sierra Vista HS, transferred to Leuzinger in Lawndale, but isn't from California.
I thought the same thing originally, he has family in SoCal and just did one year here leading his school to CIF title at a junior. Believe he was player of the year.
Danny Ainge made All American in 1979, 1980 and 1981 at BYU. Those same years he wsn't in "a big league organization", he was playing 3rd bse and centerfield IN the Big Leauges for the Blue Jays....
That was a long time ago but I forgot how bad a baseball player he was ;D
I got Ainge's baseball card
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Just a point of interest/clarification, but the thread title has Garrett as hailing from lawndale California, but he is actually a Nevada native, I believe originally from Henderson Nevada. He was at Sierra Vista HS, transferred to Leuzinger in Lawndale, but isn't from California.
I thought the same thing originally, he has family in SoCal and just did one year here leading his school to CIF title at a junior. Believe he was player of the year.
Danny Ainge made All American in 1979, 1980 and 1981 at BYU. Those same years he wsn't in "a big league organization", he was playing 3rd bse and centerfield IN the Big Leauges for the Blue Jays....
That was a long time ago but I forgot how bad a baseball player he was ;D
I got Ainge's baseball card
I hope you are not counting on that Ainge card for your retirement fund :laugh:
He was terrible but had a great career going on concurrently for BYU
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Not sure if it was posted, but here's an article about his 50 pitch workout. Supposedly hit 96 twice which is pretty impressive, but no secondary pitches. I believe the MLB draft is in a month so we will see how this plays out.
http://minors.mlblogs.com/2011/05/05/amir-garrett-update/ (http://minors.mlblogs.com/2011/05/05/amir-garrett-update/)
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Don't know if this was posted but regardles its a nice refresher.
http://www.ballislife.com/video/65-amir-garrett-senior-year (http://www.ballislife.com/video/65-amir-garrett-senior-year)
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Don't know if this was posted but regardles its a nice refresher.
http://www.ballislife.com/video/65-amir-garrett-senior-year (http://www.ballislife.com/video/65-amir-garrett-senior-year)
I don't believe that vid has been posted, Moose. I've watched this kid play 3 times on tv and I'll say, as much as I love his athleticism.... I like his court demanor, as well. Only 4 years of organized ball for Garrett. He probably hasn't picked up too many bad habits in that short period. Imagine when the Johnnies staff gets ahold of him and the others.
Where is October? Is she here yet? LOL
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I think with this kids defensive ability, athleticism and transition game he is going to thrive right away in the college game. I have watched him a few times on TV and I just love the way he plays within the flow of the game. He is a team player and does what is needed of him. He will be an awesome glue guy for this team who does what he needs to for the team to win. I think he is going to end up being a big time fan favorite out of this group because of his skill set and work ethic. If he improves his shooting which he will over his career he is going to be a dangerous weapon for us.
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I think with this kids defensive ability, athleticism and transition game he is going to thrive right away in the college game. I have watched him a few times on TV and I just love the way he plays within the flow of the game. He is a team player and does what is needed of him. He will be an awesome glue guy for this team who does what he needs to for the team to win. I think he is going to end up being a big time fan favorite out of this group because of his skill set and work ethic. If he improves his shooting which he will over his career he is going to be a dangerous weapon for us.
ditto, Guys like Amir are what separates teams in those tough tourney games where presence of mind and terrific instincts can be the difference between winning and losing because of the little things done on the court. We are firtunate to have a player and unselfish person like Amir on board the Ark.
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not really sure where to put this RE: available scholarships but this page was already opened on my browser so i'll just put it here...i dont know if it's even been discussed, but dont overlook the possibility of amir garrett being drafted by the MLB and taking a contract...someone just asked him on his facebook about the MLB draft and he said he's worked out for a bunch of teams and has another one on tuesday, and when the kid asked amir what he would do about basketball amir said "idk we will see"
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would it be possible to have amir get a scholie for baseball then "walk on" the basketball team? This could give us a little more flexibility if that is even possible
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would it be possible to have amir get a scholie for baseball then "walk on" the basketball team? This could give us a little more flexibility if that is even possible
Unlikely because baseball gets I think 15 full rides divided up among the 40 players or whatever on the team. Its rare for a baseball player to get a full ride unless they are legit top talent and most of the time in that case they never go to college and sign with MLB team. There was ESPN Magazine article back in February which I think said average baseball players gets like 25 percent of a full schollie.
From what I understand as well, Blankmeyer and staff haven't even seen Amir play.
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interesting...i know the baseball team is pretty good but i would think you would give a lefty pitcher throwing in the low 90's and pitching for mlb scouts at least a look. especially considering he is already signed on to come to your school and play basketball
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interesting...i know the baseball team is pretty good but i would think you would give a lefty pitcher throwing in the low 90's and pitching for mlb scouts at least a look. especially considering he is already signed on to come to your school and play basketball
Earlier in the year Amir was quoted as not interested in continuing with baseball so I guess thats why.
In addition we don't have to worry about him being drafted and signing. He would still be able to do both. Many players have. Most recently was the starting QB of Clemson who was drafted in June, played Minor Leagues during the summer and then back to Clemson in the fall.
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interesting...i know the baseball team is pretty good but i would think you would give a lefty pitcher throwing in the low 90's and pitching for mlb scouts at least a look. especially considering he is already signed on to come to your school and play basketball
Earlier in the year Amir was quoted as not interested in continuing with baseball so I guess thats why.
In addition we don't have to worry about him being drafted and signing. He would still be able to do both. Many players have. Most recently was the starting QB of Clemson who was drafted in June, played Minor Leagues during the summer and then back to Clemson in the fall.
O/T but wasnt Rusty Larue the starting QB at Wake Forrest and also a starter on the basketball team? Im guessing he was on a football scholarship?
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interesting...i know the baseball team is pretty good but i would think you would give a lefty pitcher throwing in the low 90's and pitching for mlb scouts at least a look. especially considering he is already signed on to come to your school and play basketball
Earlier in the year Amir was quoted as not interested in continuing with baseball so I guess thats why.
In addition we don't have to worry about him being drafted and signing. He would still be able to do both. Many players have. Most recently was the starting QB of Clemson who was drafted in June, played Minor Leagues during the summer and then back to Clemson in the fall.
O/T but wasnt Rusty Larue the starting QB at Wake Forrest and also a starter on the basketball team? Im guessing he was on a football scholarship?
I'll one up you. He played 3 sports at Wake one year. Also played baseball for one season.
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interesting...i know the baseball team is pretty good but i would think you would give a lefty pitcher throwing in the low 90's and pitching for mlb scouts at least a look. especially considering he is already signed on to come to your school and play basketball
Earlier in the year Amir was quoted as not interested in continuing with baseball so I guess thats why.
In addition we don't have to worry about him being drafted and signing. He would still be able to do both. Many players have. Most recently was the starting QB of Clemson who was drafted in June, played Minor Leagues during the summer and then back to Clemson in the fall.
O/T but wasnt Rusty Larue the starting QB at Wake Forrest and also a starter on the basketball team? Im guessing he was on a football scholarship?
I'll one up you. He played 3 sports at Wake one year. Also played baseball for one season.
Some athlete! He got some time in the NBA too, Bulls I think. Deion,Bo and Rusty! ;)
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Another thing to consider, wasn't Xavier Henry's brother a walk on at Memphis and Kansas paying for school with his baseball contract?
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Another thing to consider, wasn't Xavier Henry's brother a walk on at Memphis and Kansas paying for school with his baseball contract?
Yeah but CJ focused only on baseball. But baked into his contract that the Yankees had to foot the bill for school if he EVER went back. He quit baseball and went back and Yankees were paying the way.
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Another thing to consider, wasn't Xavier Henry's brother a walk on at Memphis and Kansas paying for school with his baseball contract?
Yeah but CJ focused only on baseball. But baked into his contract that the Yankees had to foot the bill for school if he EVER went back. He quit baseball and went back and Yankees were paying the way.
Got it. Interesting.
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I think Amir is just doing his due diligence. He clearly likes basketball better and he has prototypical size, length, and athleticism to get to the next level if he improves. He loses very little by trying basketball and entering the draft again after his junior year. He's an intriguing basketball prospect because he can stroke it, likes to d-up, and has a good feel for the game. He can kinda do a little bit of everything, and he could be a better DJ if he connects all the dots in his game.
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would it be possible to have amir get a scholie for baseball then "walk on" the basketball team? This could give us a little more flexibility if that is even possible
Not possible...the NCAA doesn't allow it. He would automatically count as a basketball scholarship. It prevents teams from stockpiling talent and giving them "bowling" scholarships or baseball scholarships in this case. That's the rule for Basketball and Football scholarships.
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would it be possible to have amir get a scholie for baseball then "walk on" the basketball team? This could give us a little more flexibility if that is even possible
Not possible...the NCAA doesn't allow it. He would automatically count as a basketball scholarship. It prevents teams from stockpiling talent and giving them "bowling" scholarships or baseball scholarships in this case. That's the rule for Basketball and Football scholarships.
Is that a fact? Link? What if a player is legit and can play both sports? There have been way too many who have double dipped.
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would it be possible to have amir get a scholie for baseball then "walk on" the basketball team? This could give us a little more flexibility if that is even possible
Not possible...the NCAA doesn't allow it. He would automatically count as a basketball scholarship. It prevents teams from stockpiling talent and giving them "bowling" scholarships or baseball scholarships in this case. That's the rule for Basketball and Football scholarships.
Is that a fact? Link? What if a player is legit and can play both sports? There have been way too many who have double dipped.
I don't have a link but that is my understanding. I will do some research and try to find a link for you but I'm fairly confident that is the way it works.
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I think we are getting a bit carried away with the baseball scholarship angle.
The dye has been cast and Amir has a basketball scholarship.
In addition, a pitcher with a 92 mile an hour fast ball is not really a big thing any more. The minors and even college baseball are loaded with them. It take a lot more than that to make the Big Leagues.
Being drafted into baseball is not that attractive any more to many athletes. As most of you have read, skilled high school athletes are focusing more on football and basketball. Why spend three or four years in the minors when you may never make the bigs?
I can see Amir talking to our baseball coach in the near future, if he is interested in playing on the baseball team. I can even see him playing both sports at St. John's. He has time to sort out his future in sports.
Back to basketball, we may have hit the critical mass in terms of numbers and talent. On paper, Coach Lavin is going to have his work cut out for him in time management for our Class of 2011, including JCs and perhaps Momo.
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I think we are getting a bit carried away with the baseball scholarship angle.
The dye has been cast and Amir has a basketball scholarship.
In addition, a pitcher with a 92 mile an hour fast ball is not really a big thing any more. The minors and even college baseball are loaded with them. It take a lot more than that to make the Big Leagues.
Being drafted into baseball is not that attractive any more to many athletes. As most of you have read, skilled high school athletes are focusing more on football and basketball. Why spend three or four years in the minors when you may never make the bigs?
I can see Amir talking to our baseball coach in the near future, if he is interested in playing on the baseball team. I can even see him playing both sports at St. John's. He has time to sort out his future in sports.
Back to basketball, we may have hit the critical mass in terms of numbers and talent. On paper, Coach Lavin is going to have his work cut out for him in time management for our Class of 2011, including JCs and perhaps Momo.
But the posts were about Amir and this thread is about Amir????
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I think we are getting a bit carried away with the baseball scholarship angle.
The dye has been cast and Amir has a basketball scholarship.
In addition, a pitcher with a 92 mile an hour fast ball is not really a big thing any more. The minors and even college baseball are loaded with them. It take a lot more than that to make the Big Leagues.
Being drafted into baseball is not that attractive any more to many athletes. As most of you have read, skilled high school athletes are focusing more on football and basketball. Why spend three or four years in the minors when you may never make the bigs?
I can see Amir talking to our baseball coach in the near future, if he is interested in playing on the baseball team. I can even see him playing both sports at St. John's. He has time to sort out his future in sports.
Back to basketball, we may have hit the critical mass in terms of numbers and talent. On paper, Coach Lavin is going to have his work cut out for him in time management for our Class of 2011, including JCs and perhaps Momo.
if your 6'5, left handed, throw 92-95 mph and you pitch in highschool. your guarenteed to get drafted
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What did Syracuse do with Donovan McNabb or FSU w Deion Sanders?
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Moose, I am not sure what you reply to me meant. Of course talking about Amir on his thread is fine.
My point was switching him to a baseball scholarship is a stretch.
Getting drafted may be a 50-50 deal I think for Amir. Signing is another issue. By the way, being a 6'5" baseball player is no big thing today. I was at the new Cactus League complex for the Rockies and DBacks earlier in the year and I could not believe the height of some of these kids.
If baseball is his top sport, and I am not sure it is, staying in college and playing baseball for a couple of years, along with basketball, may be preferable. The long dual college seasons each year allow kids to play a good deal of baseball. The only way I could see Amir signing, if he is drafted, is if he needs the cash.
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Moose, I am not sure what you reply to me meant. Of course talking about Amir on his thread is fine.
My point was switching him to a baseball scholarship is a stretch.
Getting drafted may be a 50-50 deal I think for Amir. Signing is another issue. By the way, being a 6'5" baseball player is no big thing today. I was at the new Cactus League complex for the Rockies and DBacks earlier in the year and I could not believe the height of some of these kids.
If baseball is his top sport, and I am not sure it is, staying in college and playing baseball for a couple of years, along with basketball, may be preferable. The long dual college seasons each year allow kids to play a good deal of baseball. The only way I could see Amir signing, if he is drafted, is if he needs the cash.
I just think we are talking about Amir, so what if its baseball. Its like talking about academics for another recruit. Its relevant.
As for being drafted from what I've seen and read he has been working out for people lately. He has a good fastball but no secondary pitches. Being 6'5 can help but also him already being committed to STJ could just as much hurt his draft status. It shouldn't matter if hes drafted, he can sign for 500k or whatever and still lace up his Nike's for us in October.
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What did Syracuse do with Donovan McNabb or FSU w Deion Sanders?
Football scholarships. Football and basketball trump all since they are the revenue producing sports. Football coaches occasionally prevent kids from playing other sports and they say they have a right to do so because they are using a football scholarship.
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not sure if this video was posted already. This kid can jump that's for sure.
http://www.zocial.tv/today/Sports/8673908/amir-garrett-jumps-over-72-tanveer-bhullar-montverde-academy-invitational-tournament (http://www.zocial.tv/today/Sports/8673908/amir-garrett-jumps-over-72-tanveer-bhullar-montverde-academy-invitational-tournament)
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A 6'6" high school lefty throwing 96 according to Baseball America, somethings fishy. Either exaggerated or he'll be a first round pick offered a few mill signing bonus. I hope he comes to Queens, but if he throws that hard he shouldn't.
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A 6'6" high school lefty throwing 96 according to Baseball America, somethings fishy. Either exaggerated or he'll be a first round pick offered a few mill signing bonus. I hope he comes to Queens, but if he throws that hard he shouldn't.
He pitched 40 pitches for 50+ scouts according to something I read. Fastballs all between 92-95 mph, with 2 at 96. Apparently though he's raw and doesn't have a ton else in his bag of pitches according to reports, as to why he's not higher ranked. Qpologies, but i forgot where I read the report.
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A 6'6" high school lefty throwing 96 according to Baseball America, somethings fishy. Either exaggerated or he'll be a first round pick offered a few mill signing bonus. I hope he comes to Queens, but if he throws that hard he shouldn't.
For the umpteenth time he can do both.
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I'm really excited to see how Rico develops Amir. He was grossly under used by his hs coach (albeit a small sample). He could be phenomenal when he gets some seasoning.
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Amir is the best athlete coming into the program and he is underrated. He is going to surprise alot of people. He's the truth.
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Garrett is a tremendous all around athlete. His fastball usually sits in the 92-94 range but he can get it up to 96. He's an extremely raw prospect, so he probably won't go before the 4th round in the draft. Let's pray that the Dodgers don't end up drafting him because he may actually sign if he gets an opportunity to play for his hometown team.
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Garrett is a tremendous all around athlete. His fastball usually sits in the 92-94 range but he can get it up to 96. He's an extremely raw prospect, so he probably won't go before the 4th round in the draft. Let's pray that the Dodgers don't end up drafting him because he may actually sign if he gets an opportunity to play for his hometown team.
He's not from California.
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I thought his home is in CA and he is going to school in NV.
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Garrett is a tremendous all around athlete. His fastball usually sits in the 92-94 range but he can get it up to 96. He's an extremely raw prospect, so he probably won't go before the 4th round in the draft. Let's pray that the Dodgers don't end up drafting him because he may actually sign if he gets an opportunity to play for his hometown team.
He's not from California.
And St. John's is in New Jersey.... :idiot2:
Garrett is from LA. He went to Leuzinger (same HS as Russell Westbrook) before transferring to Findlay Prep in Vegas. Where do you think the Lavin connection came from?
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from Amirs twitter
Amir_Garrett amir garrett
For all who doubt me watch what I do in college, yall gone see my real game mark my words #stjbb
Another recruit that is coming in with a chip on his shoulder.
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from Amirs twitter
Amir_Garrett amir garrett
For all who doubt me watch what I do in college, yall gone see my real game mark my words #stjbb
Another recruit that is coming in with a chip on his shoulder.
The character and moxie these kids have is off the charts.
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from Amirs twitter
Amir_Garrett amir garrett
For all who doubt me watch what I do in college, yall gone see my real game mark my words #stjbb
Another recruit that is coming in with a chip on his shoulder.
I really love the attitudes of our recruits.
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from Amirs twitter
Amir_Garrett amir garrett
For all who doubt me watch what I do in college, yall gone see my real game mark my words #stjbb
Another recruit that is coming in with a chip on his shoulder.
The character and moxie these kids have is off the charts.
I think Amir's main problem is that he's pretty new to the game and has no right hand. He's a kid with a huge ceiling as a 4-year player, and can develop into a mirror od Duke's Dahntay Jones if he works on his right hand and perimeter game. He actually has a deadly first-step going left, but his right side is what hinders him from being able to play more of a perimeter role thn he does right now. IMO, Amir is a kid who can greatly improve under Dunlap and Rico, and if he just works on his handle and jumper, can be a force at sf in 2 years. I think he'll help us right Away in areas like defense, steals, shot blocking, rebounding and on the break.
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From Keith Law's MLB draft chat on espn.com today...
Grant (Wpg)
I think the name's Amir Garreth or something like that - star basketball recruit now throwing bullpen sessions for scouts. Legit prospect? Is it odd that he wouldn't play ball all spring but now apparently want to get drafted? Doesn't that make one question his desire to play on the diamond?
Klaw
(1:48 PM)
Amir Garrett, wrote about him last week. Lot of scouts thinking this is a money grab, that he wants to get paid to play a little over the summer while he pursues the NBA at St. John's. Threw well in a few workouts and then was not good at the last one last week.
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http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/luke_winn/06/06/amir-garrett-st-johns-mlb/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_wr_a1 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/luke_winn/06/06/amir-garrett-st-johns-mlb/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_wr_a1)
On May 4, the basketball team from Findlay College Prep, a powerhouse in Henderson, Nev., that annually features elite Division I prospects, gathered at College of Southern Nevada's baseball field. The players were joined there by 37 curious major league scouts.
Findlay's coach, Mike Peck, stood down the first base line with his daughter and one of his assistants. All but one of his players sat in the stands behind home plate, including Myck Kabongo, the five-star point guard who's expected to start for Texas next season, and Nick Johnson, the five-star shooting guard who's projected to start for Arizona. The day belonged to their teammate, Amir Garrett, a four-star small forward who's one of six Top 100 recruits signed by St. John's coach Steve Lavin, but who is no longer a certainty to suit up for the Red Storm.
Garrett was staging a one-man pitching audition a month before MLB's First-Year Player Draft, which begins on Monday. The 6-foot-5 lefthander cut an imposing figure on the mound, but neither his teammates nor the scouts knew what to expect. Garrett hadn't thrown in a game since June 2010, when he went straight from the NBA Players' Association's Top 100 Camp in Charlottesville, Va., to USA Baseball's Tournament of Stars in Cary, N.C. There he showed some life in his arm, but walked seven batters in 4 1/3 innings. Garrett said he wasn't in baseball shape then; he believes that had he focused on the game -- rather than going to Findlay, which only has a basketball team -- he would have been a top 10 prep baseball prospect. Which is why he and his father, Darryl, decided it would be worthwhile to give pitching one more shot before the end of high school.
"My dad always tells me," Amir said, "don't let good talent go to waste."
On March 6, following the conclusion of Findlay's regular basketball season, Garrett went to his hometown of Los Angeles to get instructions on a throwing program from Jaeger Sports. Its founder, Alan Jaeger, has developed a long-tossing and surgical-band exercise program that has benefitted pitchers such as Trevor Bauer, a UCLA righty who's expected to be a top five pick on Monday. Jaeger said Garrett's fastball was clocked in the mid-80s during that visit. Garrett stuck with the program in Nevada, and on recommendation from Orlando Cepeda Jr. of Legacy Sports Group, began receiving thrice-weekly instruction from Nick Aiello, the pitching coach at College of Southern Nevada, where phenom Bryce Harper played one season before going No. 1 overall in the 2010 MLB Draft.
"When Amir started here, he was pitching like a guy who was 5-9, not 6-5," said Aiello, who made key mechanical adjustments to stretch out Garrett's delivery. "Now, he's getting a ton of leverage."
Despite the fact that Garrett's unveiling was coming just two months after he'd returned to throwing, Aiello was confident it would be a success. He staked his reputation by telling scouting friends, in less refined language, that they would soil themselves when they saw Garrett's combination of size, athleticism and arm action in person.
With a horde of radar guns pointed at him on May 4, Garrett's fastball hit 92 miles per hour, then 93 and peaked at a stunning 96. News of it spread like wildfire among scouts; 22 more came back to see Garrett throw on May 24, and four more watched him on May 30. He hovered in the low 90s during the latter two sessions, which were less impressive, but he remains one of the more intriguing and mysterious prospects in this year's draft -- a David Price-sized lefty with an untaxed, explosive arm and barely any high school statistics. Jaeger, who has worked with scores of professional pitchers, said that the velocity Garrett was able to gain in just seven weeks was "mind-altering," and thinks he has yet to hit his radar-gun ceiling.
Like the scouts, Garrett's Findlay teammates were awed; many of them hadn't even known that he played baseball. When they found out about his arm, a few asked, "Why are you even here?" What they meant was, Why are you wasting time on basketball?
Garrett's size and athleticism make him a talented basketball player, but not an elite one; his mid-90s fastball could make him an MLB star.
Chris Williams/Icon SMI
Garrett must make a difficult decision by Aug. 15, the signing deadline for MLB draftees. Multiple scouts told SI.com that based on potential, Garrett will be selected on Tuesday, when rounds 2-30 of the draft are held. His stock could rise or fall depending on how serious teams believe he is about playing pro baseball; according to sources, the Mariners had Garrett in Seattle for a private workout on Sunday and remain interested, as do the Red Sox. Garrett could choose not to sign and attempt to be a two-sport athlete at St. John's, which also has a strong baseball program. He could choose to play hoops at St. John's and professional baseball in the offseason. Or he could skip college basketball altogether and go all-in on professional pitching. What will he choose? It depends on whom you ask.
Lavin has been monitoring Garrett's diamond dalliance -- the coach will regularly ask him, "What's the [radar] gun saying?" -- but fully expects Garrett to be a part of the St. John's program in 2011-12, with an option to try out for the school's baseball team. In a statement released through a school spokesman, Lavin said, "We have encouraged Amir to continue working to develop into the best basketball and baseball player he is capable of becoming."
Garrett, however, could not guarantee to SI.com that he'd be enrolling at St. John's this year. Going to Findlay to play high school basketball on a major stage was an opportunity he decided he couldn't pass up, but he says baseball is his "first love." His father, Darryl, chooses to describe Amir as "a baseball player who plays basketball," and said Amir will seriously consider heading to rookie ball this summer if the money is right. Posturing of this sort is common leading up to the draft, but for what it's worth, a source close to the family said if Garrett was selected in the first seven rounds and offered a bonus of around $1.5 million, he would "drop everything" and enter the minors.
"I tell the [MLB] teams that we've created a relationship with St. John's that's hard to break," Darryl said. "It's going to take something extra reassuring, financially, to make it worth our while."
Even Peck, who helped Garrett grow into the No. 68 overall hoops prospect in the Class of 2011 according to Rivals.com, acknowledged the allure of pitching. "In my heart of hearts, I think this baseball thing has to be extremely appealing in terms of money, and the longevity of a baseball career," he said. "It's not like Amir is choosing between the NBA or the MLB right now -- he's choosing between amateur basketball or pro baseball."
The odds would seem to favor Garrett in baseball, if he can harness the power of his arm. He's viewed as a potential Big East star in basketball, but not a one-and-done NBA prospect, and he'll have to fight for playing time as a freshman: Of the six high school players who signed with St. John's for next season, he is the lowest-ranked in Rivals.com's Top 150. In baseball, he is far more unique.
"There might be 100 players in the NCAA and NBA that can match his size and athleticism, whereas there might be five in the whole country in baseball," Aiello said. "I think he realizes that when he gets off the bus in A-ball, there won't be anybody who looks like him."
Garrett laments, though, that getting off a bus in a small town in Montana won't be nearly as exciting as getting off one at Madison Square Garden. Picking pitching would mean spending at least three-four years away from the spotlight. "No matter what I choose, I'll be missing out on something," he said. "I'm kind of stuck right now."
There are worse kinds of stuck. If -- or rather, when -- Garrett's name is called on Tuesday, he'll have enviable options.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/luke_winn/06/06/amir-garrett-st-johns-mlb/index.html#ixzz1OWRyTlb1 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/luke_winn/06/06/amir-garrett-st-johns-mlb/index.html#ixzz1OWRyTlb1)
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I know he can play both if drafted, but this article makes it sound like he has a price that will make him focus on baseball only.
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1.5 million is going to scare teams off (hopefully). Our current starter Hanson wasn't drafted until late because his dad was insisting on something similar.
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Hansen (whose brother also played for St. John's and was a first round draft pick of the Red Sox after his Junior year and has pitched for them and Pittsburgh but is no longer in the MLB) doesn't throw lefthanded and that is always a premium. Hansen does throw in the 90's though. It all depends on where scouts think the upside is.
It would be a loss, but we still have several other wings.
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It is always about the money.
Last I heard on JJ there was a potential signing bonus of $200K, now there is a shocking number of $1.5 million being thrown around. There is no way some team is going to play $1.5 million to a kid who has not played for a few years. I do not care what a radar gun recorded.
I believe we are hearing a good deal of rhetoric now as the draft approaches.
Talented two sports athletes over the past ten plus years have tended to go into football and basketball rather than baseball. Spending time in the minors is not appealing to many young and talented kids today, especially when facing playing in the rookie and low/high Class A leagues.
Amir, if he signed, would probably play in a limited season this year. He could still play a full season of basketball at St. John's.
If the money is not there, he probably is better served by playing baseball with St. John's for two years while he also plays on the basketball squad. He then moves from the potential ranks to a player with some credentials. He increases his value and could then move into Double A or higher, if he has the pitching talent.
I spent time watching the young arms in the Cactus League this year. Two things were apparent, they all seem to be very tall and can they throw. Amir is an unknown in baseball right now. If some team wants to throw big money at him to play baseball take it. If not, go two sports at St. John's and see in a year or two which sport may be in his long term future.
Remember, the speed of any pitcher can be fleeting. See Joba and Phil Hughes!
All things considered I believe Amir will be playing both sports at St. John's, unless he is overwhelmed by a signing bonus.
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I wrote a longer piece on the other thread concerning Amir's baseball future. Being 6'5" or 6'6" and being a left hitting 96 mph on a radar gun will not automatically get you $1.5 million. Remember, Amir has not played high school ball for some time.
His size and potential have scouts interested, especially this year when there really is no consensus #1 pick.
Playing two sports at St. John's will give Amir the time to decide which sport to pursue.
So baring a $1.5 million bonus, we should see Amir play at least this year in CA.
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I wrote a longer piece on the other thread concerning Amir's baseball future. Being 6'5" or 6'6" and being a left hitting 96 mph on a radar gun will not automatically get you $1.5 million. Remember, Amir has not played high school ball for some time.
His size and potential have scouts interested, especially this year when there really is no consensus #1 pick.
Playing two sports at St. John's will give Amir the time to decide which sport to pursue.
So baring a $1.5 million bonus, we should see Amir play at least this year in CA.
Correct me if I'm wrong but would the same rules apply to Amir. If he doesn't sign with the team that drafted him by Aug 15th, he then cannot be drafted until completing his Jr. year of college. In other words we most likely see 3 yrs of him.
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Hasn't played baseball in a few years , you say. What I would like to know is why couldn't he play summer baseball instead of AAU Basketball?
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hed have to get drafted in the first round to get a million. My friend got drafted in the fifth and his was around 280,000.
I really hope amir plays basketball for us. Hes the real wild card of the class. Theres a chance he could end up being the best player when all is said and done
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hed have to get drafted in the first round to get a million. My friend got drafted in the fifth and his was around 280,000.
I really hope amir plays basketball for us. Hes the real wild card of the class. Theres a chance he could end up being the best player when all is said and done
It's not crazy. But for someone like Amir its far fetched. Kid's get millions as the draft moves on. Rare but it does happen. Usually because of injuries, college commits or crazy agent ala Boras. See below for last year's numbers. 5th, 6th and even 8th rd had million dollar plus bonus.
http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=4890 (http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=4890)
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Sometimes teams abandon the MLB slotting advice for players during the draft. Let's say a player says he will attend college unless he receives a 1.5 million dollar bonus. This will scare many teams off who cannot afford that investment or scare teams off that do not want to upset the commissioner's office. However teams like the Yankees and Red Sox who consistently overslot players, have been known to draft guys in the 8th round and pay them a million dollars because they see them as first round talents that slipped through the cracks due to signability issues. Now I think this is a possibility for Garret, but not a strong possibility...he hasn't played in a few years and that might prevent a team from taking such a huge gamble.
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I would NOT be suprised if Amir gets a baseball offer he can't refuse. A 6'5 lefty consistently throwing low 90's after only two months with a pitching coach; virtually no high school arm mileage, AND being an athletic freak (at least for the MLB, he's off the charts), makes Amir, IMO, too good a prospect for some teams to pass up. The question is not when he gets drafted, it's whether he's taken in the first 3 rounds.
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If Garrett goes, and Harkless is ruled ineligible (though I think he will be eligable), then it's going to be a LOOOOOOOOOOONG year in 2011-2012. Doesn't mean the long-term future isan't bright, but the immediate future might be rough.
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If Garrett goes, and Harkless is ruled ineligible (though I think he will be eligable), then it's going to be a LOOOOOOOOOOONG year in 2011-2012. Doesn't mean the long-term future isan't bright, but the immediate future might be rough.
Like you said I wouldn't worry about Harkless so much.
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I'm only really worried about Lindsey. I think Garret will be fine and Harkless is not even an issue. They're just making sure there.
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[tweet]http://twitter.com/JeffEisenberg/status/77889122429190144[/tweet]
[tweet]http://twitter.com/JeffEisenberg/status/77889141181923328[/tweet]
[tweet]http://twitter.com/JeffEisenberg/status/77889153462845440[/tweet]
Looks like good news for us.
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Amir is tweeting in the second tweet down that is response to being asked about seeing Amir at MSG
https://mobile.twitter.com/Amir_Garrett
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All good news. Love the loyalty to Coach and the program.
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Lavin landing a 9 or 10 man class with elite athletes and players is a feat unto itself. Having them all land on campus is another part of it. Yes, it could be a difficult year if not all the pieces make it on board, but that is the boat that Norm left us in. Under the circumstances, I'd say that Lavin has done as well as humanly possible, all the while leaving a few ships for next year as well.
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@juanonjuan10 naw I'm still playin its hard to explain but yeah I'm still hoopin
That is a tweet from Amir in response to a question about possibly not playing for SJU this fall.
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Cant blame the brother for takin the money and goin to the diamond. That is... if he get the money in the first place.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/06/07/st-johns-garrett-says-hes-still-hoopin/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/06/07/st-johns-garrett-says-hes-still-hoopin/)
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follow your heart kid
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hed have to get drafted in the first round to get a million. My friend got drafted in the fifth and his was around 280,000.
I really hope amir plays basketball for us. Hes the real wild card of the class. Theres a chance he could end up being the best player when all is said and done
It's not crazy. But for someone like Amir its far fetched. Kid's get millions as the draft moves on. Rare but it does happen. Usually because of injuries, college commits or crazy agent ala Boras. See below for last year's numbers. 5th, 6th and even 8th rd had million dollar plus bonus.
http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=4890 (http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=4890)
Would it surprise anyone if the Yankees draft him in the 20th round and offer him a million and a half?
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Yep, unless I am off, college kids come out usually after their junior year. For the most part they (those with a good deal of talent) are then sent to AA or AAA ball, which is a big difference from rookie and A ball.
I am not sure how the draft is going, but Amir, unless they give you the keys to the bank, rethink about playing baseball at St. John's. College baseball today is pretty extensive in terms of number of games and playing outside your conference. You can have a blast playing two sports at St. John's, without the worry of eating in greasy spoons in backwater towns. Enjoy being 20!
Forget all of this if you are offered $1.5 million.
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at the end of the 5th round and he is not drafted yet
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at the end of the 5th round and he is not drafted yet
thanks for the update coffee. Id apreciate it if you keep us posted
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I still think no one will offer Amir $1.5 million based on a few speed gun highs.
If he had played high school ball, had a good pitching record, and hit 96 mph on the gun, then maybe.
So if the bonus money is in the $300K range what does he do? Take the money and spend the next three years in the low minors, or change his mind and play college baseball as well.
This year's #1 pick Cole turned down the Yanks, went to UCLA, and now can reap the financial benefits. Too bad it is with the Pirates.
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hed have to get drafted in the first round to get a million. My friend got drafted in the fifth and his was around 280,000.
I really hope amir plays basketball for us. Hes the real wild card of the class. Theres a chance he could end up being the best player when all is said and done
It's not crazy. But for someone like Amir its far fetched. Kid's get millions as the draft moves on. Rare but it does happen. Usually because of injuries, college commits or crazy agent ala Boras. See below for last year's numbers. 5th, 6th and even 8th rd had million dollar plus bonus.
http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=4890 (http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=4890)
Would it surprise anyone if the Yankees draft him in the 20th round and offer him a million and a half?
Me. I doubt that even the Yankees are going to fork up a mill and a half for someone who hasn't played the game in a couple of years.
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Track it yourself. Looks like they are in the 8th round and he has not been drafted:
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2011/draftcaster.jsp (http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/events/draft/y2011/draftcaster.jsp)
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end of 10th and hes not drafted
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end of 10th and hes not drafted
Thanks for the update. I guess that SI.com article blew the hype surrounding the interest of Amir's baseball skills waaaayyyy out of proportion.
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Its probably also the 1.5 million that took a lot of interest away from him.
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Its probably also the 1.5 million that took a lot of interest away from him.
Yeah, that too.
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I still think no one will offer Amir $1.5 million based on a few speed gun highs.
If he had played high school ball, had a good pitching record, and hit 96 mph on the gun, then maybe.
So if the bonus money is in the $300K range what does he do? Take the money and spend the next three years in the low minors, or change his mind and play college baseball as well.
This year's #1 pick Cole turned down the Yanks, went to UCLA, and now can reap the financial benefits. Too bad it is with the Pirates.
Cole would have received a nice bit of change three years ago as the 28th pick in the first round. He only slipped that far because he told everyone he was going to college. The Yankees would have paid him a nice chunk of change considering he was probably a top 10 player in their eyes, however, he wouldn't even listen to the offers (proving that it is not always about the money, although more times than not, it is). Yankees gambled and lost. They did the same thing with Elway (who did play one season at Oneonta for them and played well), Henson (a bust in two sports), Jeter (who told everyone he was going to Michigan) and Austin Jackson (who initally ducked fielding contract offers as he felt he was a basketball player who played baseball and had a schollie to GTech to play PG). You can also add Deion Sanders.
Although Garrett has not played H.S. or summer league ball, it does not preclude him from playing pro baseball in the future as one of our own did. After not playing baseball in his senior year in H.S. to concentrate on basketball, Terry Bross, a four year member of the basketball squad here, was on the baseball team his last two years, saw limited action but was still picked-up by the Mets. He did play in the majors and is now a sports agent.
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Yep, unless I am off, college kids come out usually after their junior year. For the most part they (those with a good deal of talent) are then sent to AA or AAA ball, which is a big difference from rookie and A ball.
Mets 1st round pick for 2010 draft started at Hi-A St Lucie
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Yep, unless I am off, college kids come out usually after their junior year. For the most part they (those with a good deal of talent) are then sent to AA or AAA ball, which is a big difference from rookie and A ball.
Mets 1st round pick for 2010 draft started at Hi-A St Lucie
Wasn't he a college player though? Usually college picks start out there. HS guys go lower.
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Not a huge follower of the MLB draft, but at what point do the Mets or Yankees take him simply because he'll be so close that it'll be supercheap to keep tabs on his progress?
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Not a huge follower of the MLB draft, but at what point do the Mets or Yankees take him simply because he'll be so close that it'll be supercheap to keep tabs on his progress?
Wouldnt really make sense because he has to sign by Aug 15th. Otherwise he's gone for good they don't retain rights anymore.
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Keith Law, ESPN draft guru, answered a question during today's chat regarding Amir:
Q. Thoughts on Amir Garrett?
Klaw (3:15 PM)
Wants to play basketball at St. John's. Consensus is that this last-ditch effort to show off for scouts was a money grab. Great athlete who's added at least 5 mph in the last year.
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Wouldnt surprise me if he isnt drafted. The teams know he won't go.
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its in the 19th round and it looks like he wasn't taken as of yet.
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Not a huge follower of the MLB draft, but at what point do the Mets or Yankees take him simply because he'll be so close that it'll be supercheap to keep tabs on his progress?
Wouldnt really make sense because he has to sign by Aug 15th. Otherwise he's gone for good they don't retain rights anymore.
Thanks. I thought that they would retain his rights through college and had up until a certain point between his last college game and the 2015 draft to negotiate a contract before he re-entered the draft.
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Not a huge follower of the MLB draft, but at what point do the Mets or Yankees take him simply because he'll be so close that it'll be supercheap to keep tabs on his progress?
Wouldnt really make sense because he has to sign by Aug 15th. Otherwise he's gone for good they don't retain rights anymore.
Thanks. I thought that they would retain his rights through college and had up until a certain point between his last college game and the 2015 draft to negotiate a contract before he re-entered the draft.
There used to be a draft and follow where you could follow college players I think until the next draft. But once a HS kid enrolled in college they were gone till after their 3rd year. Not sure how that would effect Amir if he fell under those rules since he would have been going to college for hoops not baseball.
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Just got picked 22 round by the Reds I think we are alright.
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Last year in the 22nd round 18 of the 30 picks signed. But no bonuses were listed. Rd 21 last yr and Rd 23 had 300-400k bonuses but thats all I can see.
http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=4890 (http://www.perfectgame.org/Articles/View.aspx?article=4890)
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You can still get a $200k-$400k signing bonus in round 22 or so. But statistically, your chances of making the majors are 6% or so in that round.
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Being selected in the 22nd round should tell Amir something. He did not convince really any one that he is a shoe in to make the majors.
As I mentioned earlier, will $300K tempt him to sign with the Reds?
None of us are in Amir or his family's position to make a decision, but waiting could be in his best interest baseball-wise. If he has the talent for the majors time will tell. Does he want to do through the pains of the lower/middle minors or join the St. John's baseball team?
He really needs to sit down with his family and discuss his baseball options. Gone is the smoke dream of a $1.5 million signing bonus. Gone is a selection in the early rounds.
One thing that disturbs me about the write-ups on Amir and his baseball dreams is the downplaying his basketball abilities by these writers. I believe the consensus of the JJ posters feel that Amir has tremendous basketball potential. The stuff about Amir having to fight for playing time may be true, but I see that as a positive, not a negative. He is a gamer!
He clearly has some baseball talent. How best to bring out his full baseball talent- three years in the low to middle minors or three years playing in NCAA WS with St. John's?
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Garrett gives some hints about his future with the Red Storm:
http://johnnyjungle.com/news/cincinnati-reds-select-st-johns-signee-amir-garrett-in-major-league-baseball-draft/ (http://johnnyjungle.com/news/cincinnati-reds-select-st-johns-signee-amir-garrett-in-major-league-baseball-draft/)
Where do you think he will end up?
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SJU.
This guy has loved SJU and Coach Lavin from day one. It is clear he wants to play with this class.
Sounds like you talked to him did you ask him point blank?
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he didn't say anything directly, but everything he has said on twitter points toward St. John's. He knows how big a role he'll play this coming season and being drafted at 685 makes him far from a lock to make it to the big leagues. He has an education and a big basketball stage ahead of him if he choose STJ.
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BTW Everyone with a twitter account should congratulate Amir on being drafted.
It is a tremendous honor even though we all wish he makes it to Queens.
Kid is going to be special.
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Yes, it is a great honor and undoubtedly causing him to think through his options.
I wish him the best but selfishly I'd like him to come to us. of course. How much would guy drafted in spot be offered to sign?
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Someone posted yesterday that it would probably be in his best interest to play Baseball at St Johns and I think, if Baseball is his true love, he should. He hasn't played organized baseball in the last year and he can play for a team that gets into the tourney and he will get some exposure. Me, on the other hand, would rather him focus on basketball and bring us a National Championship.
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300,000 is alot of money. a whole lot
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300,000 is a nice chunk of change. What's Amir's family situation? Is he from a "poor" family?
Anyways, baseball is probably the toughest sport to go pro in. He has a much better chance to make it in the NBA and im saying that without ever seeing him pitch and only seeing him play in two high school games. The odds are just so against you in baseball with all the young talent and all the minor league systems you have to go through.
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300,000 is a nice chunk of change. What's Amir's family situation? Is he from a "poor" family?
Anyways, baseball is probably the toughest sport to go pro in. He has a much better chance to make it in the NBA and im saying that without ever seeing him pitch and only seeing him play in two high school games. The odds are just so against you in baseball with all the young talent and all the minor league systems you have to go through.
How do you figure NBA is easier than MLB? MLB is more roster spots. And lefty pitchers can pitch under they are 47 (Jamie Moyer, Jesse Orosco)
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300,000 is a nice chunk of change. What's Amir's family situation? Is he from a "poor" family?
Anyways, baseball is probably the toughest sport to go pro in. He has a much better chance to make it in the NBA and im saying that without ever seeing him pitch and only seeing him play in two high school games. The odds are just so against you in baseball with all the young talent and all the minor league systems you have to go through.
How do you figure NBA is easier than MLB? MLB is more roster spots. And lefty pitchers can pitch under they are 47 (Jamie Moyer, Jesse Orosco)
MLB has a vast minor league system. You have to go through low-single A, then high single-A, then double-A, then triple-A before u step foot in the majors. There are 24 other players opn each of those teams that you have to be better than (about 10 pitchers) and then plus the other teams in each minor league system that you have to be better then. More roster spots, but more players to compete against.
To pitch at age 47, you have to make it that far first. Heck, you have to make it first period.
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$300K, or whatever is left after taxes, may be a good deal of money, if you need the cash now. If not, a $2 million bonus might be some real money in a few years. Nothing is guaranteed, especially if you are a pitcher.
A few years ago we had a pretty darn good picher, Mike Leake, out here at ASU. He went the college route and signed with the Reds. He was a team mate of Ike Davis. I think he almost went directly to the majors in 2010 from college.
Staying in school, not only can (and that is a big if) bring in some heavy bonus money in 2014, as well as a very good starting salary.
I have had a number of good college athletes in my classes over the years. The Double A and Triple A leagues are loaded with very good high school and college athletes. Many of which will never make it to the majors.
As an educator I always wanted my athlete students (or is it student athletes) to get an education, even if do not graduate in four years.
Some body mentioned earlier that only 6% of the players drafted on the 22nd round make the majors. Not good odds!
If Amir is good, in three years of college baseball, he could be looking at a signing bonus of $2 million.
Decisions, decisions, decisions!!!
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Strictly from my view of managing money. $300k isnt what it used to be. Knock off 40% in taxes and you are down to $180k
You dont leave school and a bright future for that because it does nothing for you. 1.5 does but anything lower than that you wait. Kids arm wont go away. He can work with the coaches on proper throwing and technique in down time if allowed.
But kid will get bigger and his arm will get stronger. And baseball will still take a shot on him especially being a lefty. He could play no ball for 4 years and do great in hoops and if his arm strength stays someone will take a shot on him at ball because he's a flat out athlete
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Strictly from my view of managing money. $300k isnt what it used to be. Knock off 40% in taxes and you are down to $180k
You dont leave school and a bright future for that because it does nothing for you. 1.5 does but anything lower than that you wait. Kids arm wont go away. He can work with the coaches on proper throwing and technique in down time if allowed.
But kid will get bigger and his arm will get stronger. And baseball will still take a shot on him especially being a lefty. He could play no ball for 4 years and do great in hoops and if his arm strength stays someone will take a shot on him at ball because he's a flat out athlete
I don't make quite 300k, but it isn't a heck of a lot of money unless you're making it year after year. A one-time 300k with 180 after taxes won't go very far.
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but guys he said he will not play baseball for st.johns.
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But remember, Amir said he would not play baseball at St. John's when he still had thoughts of being drafted in the early rounds and perhaps getting a bonus of $1.5 million. That statement might also have been for the benefit of the scouts.
If he wants his $1.5 million he should reconsider playing college baseball. Amir, keep your options open about college baseball. It can only benefit you.
Going pro for $140K after taxes, just does not make sense.
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Mods,
It might be a good idea to combine all three current Amir threads into one, his recruiting thread. This will help avoid having to repeat the same message on several threads.
Turning pro for $140K+ is not really a good move. If Amir has the talent and it continues to develop (by way of the St. John's baseball team) then he might expect a signing bonus of $2 million in 2014.
Pro Baseball has sent Amir a message- "We are not convinced that throwing a baseball in practice at 92-96 mph equates to a guaranty of making the majors."
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Being selected in the 22nd round should tell Amir something. He did not convince really any one that he is a shoe in to make the majors.
As I mentioned earlier, will $300K tempt him to sign with the Reds?
None of us are in Amir or his family's position to make a decision, but waiting could be in his best interest baseball-wise. If he has the talent for the majors time will tell. Does he want to do through the pains of the lower/middle minors or join the St. John's baseball team?
He really needs to sit down with his family and discuss his baseball options. Gone is the smoke dream of a $1.5 million signing bonus. Gone is a selection in the early rounds.
One thing that disturbs me about the write-ups on Amir and his baseball dreams is the downplaying his basketball abilities by these writers. I believe the consensus of the JJ posters feel that Amir has tremendous basketball potential. The stuff about Amir having to fight for playing time may be true, but I see that as a positive, not a negative. He is a gamer!
He clearly has some baseball talent. How best to bring out his full baseball talent- three years in the low to middle minors or three years playing in NCAA WS with St. John's?
For a high school senior who didn't play baseball this year, 22nd round really IS something. My personal thought on his tryouts was just reminding the scouts he was out there - keeping his options open down the road. After all - out of sight, out of mind. Even if he stays 4 years at SJU, he'll only be what - 21 or 22 when he graduates? Give him a year to see if he's got a real shot at the NBA....if not, 23 isn't a bad age to start a baseball career, especially a lefty fireball pitcher with almost no mileage on his arm at that age....
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Being selected in the 22nd round should tell Amir something. He did not convince really any one that he is a shoe in to make the majors.
As I mentioned earlier, will $300K tempt him to sign with the Reds?
None of us are in Amir or his family's position to make a decision, but waiting could be in his best interest baseball-wise. If he has the talent for the majors time will tell. Does he want to do through the pains of the lower/middle minors or join the St. John's baseball team?
He really needs to sit down with his family and discuss his baseball options. Gone is the smoke dream of a $1.5 million signing bonus. Gone is a selection in the early rounds.
One thing that disturbs me about the write-ups on Amir and his baseball dreams is the downplaying his basketball abilities by these writers. I believe the consensus of the JJ posters feel that Amir has tremendous basketball potential. The stuff about Amir having to fight for playing time may be true, but I see that as a positive, not a negative. He is a gamer!
He clearly has some baseball talent. How best to bring out his full baseball talent- three years in the low to middle minors or three years playing in NCAA WS with St. John's?
For a high school senior who didn't play baseball this year, 22nd round really IS something. My personal thought on his tryouts was just reminding the scouts he was out there - keeping his options open down the road. After all - out of sight, out of mind. Even if he stays 4 years at SJU, he'll only be what - 21 or 22 when he graduates? Give him a year to see if he's got a real shot at the NBA....if not, 23 isn't a bad age to start a baseball career, especially a lefty fireball pitcher with almost no mileage on his arm at that age....
Cr, my guess is that the scenario you describe is what Amir probably has in mind as well. He's a bit newer to basketball and the next few is the only shot he'll get at basketball and maybe a pro career. He'll have plenty of options wrt baseball,even in 4 years.
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300,000 is alot of money. a whole lot
No doubt. 300K or 180K or whatever can solve a lotta problems.
Not sayin Amir is in that situation. But some y'all talkin like its chump change.
Tomorrow is guarenteed to no one, 'specially an athlete.
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300,000 is alot of money. a whole lot
No doubt. 300K or 180K or whatever can solve a lotta problems.
Not sayin Amir is in that situation. But some y'all talkin like its chump change.
Tomorrow is guarenteed to no one, 'specially an athlete.
You are right, but is an education from SJU worth more than the 180k after tax? If baseball or basketball doesn't work out he can always have a degree to fall back on.
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300,000 is alot of money. a whole lot
No doubt. 300K or 180K or whatever can solve a lotta problems.
Not sayin Amir is in that situation. But some y'all talkin like its chump change.
Tomorrow is guarenteed to no one, 'specially an athlete.
You are right, but is an education from SJU worth more than the 180k after tax? If baseball or basketball doesn't work out he can always have a degree to fall back on.
with the cost of school now it would probably cost 180k just to go to school for 4 years on someones own dime
4 years of school much more valuable long term than $180 after taxes. Just my opinion
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A basketball career is more likely than a baseball career if you consider all of the counties that play it.
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A basketball career is more likely than a baseball career if you consider all of the counties that play it.
I think you meant countries, and I agree that you make a good point. He has a LOT better chance to make pretty serious coin in Asia, Europe or wherever playing ball than toiling around the minors here. I think the kid will b at SJU playing ball, and my gut tells me that he will be a very good player when all is said and done. The kid has phenom athleticism, great work ethic. All he needs is some coaching help and some focused gym time to round out some raw skills and he can be quite a player.
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From Zagoria:
"Everyone don’t listen to a lot of these articles they don’t know what I’m doin, I don’t even know what I’m doing, its a lot of gossip…,” Garrett Tweeted Tuesday.
A source close to the Findlay Prep staff confirmed that the 6-5 Garrett was undecided about what to do next.
“No idea,” the source said. “Don’t think he knows….Good problem for him to have.”
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From Zagoria:
"Everyone don’t listen to a lot of these articles they don’t know what I’m doin, I don’t even know what I’m doing, its a lot of gossip…,” Garrett Tweeted Tuesday.
A source close to the Findlay Prep staff confirmed that the 6-5 Garrett was undecided about what to do next.
“No idea,” the source said. “Don’t think he knows….Good problem for him to have.”
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I think he just wants a few days to process the whole thing. I know I would if I was drafted. My guess is that in the end, he'll decide to play bball at SJU.
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http://www.lvrj.com/sports/pilots-star-garrett-will-try-to-play-two-sports-123442889.html?ref=889 (http://www.lvrj.com/sports/pilots-star-garrett-will-try-to-play-two-sports-123442889.html?ref=889)
"If he went high, it would have been one or the other," said Garrett's father, Darrow. "We love (St. John's basketball coach) Steve Lavin, and I told everyone it would have taken a lot to just walk away from him. This way he can still play basketball at St. John's and do the things he wants to be able to do."
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Has his cake and eats it too. Good for him.
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He might just miss his cake,It look like the 1st five? rounds of the MLB draft was mainly college player. Isn't that where the money lives. College baseball should be a considered
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The Reds got him right where they should have in the 22nd round. Teams at that point (and much earlier in the draft) will take high school talent with signability questions. They have in Garrett a power left arm who's done very little pitching. It depends how much they want to go above the gentleman's agreement slot to get him under contract. One thing is certain Amir will not and should not play baseball for St. John's. If he wants to be a pitcher he should allow pro coaches to teach him.
One question is..if he does play basketball next year and not baseball does the three year rule apply to him, meaning he can't be drafted for baseball till his junior year or is he eligible for the 2012 draft??
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according to zags amir is playing both.
http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/06/08/st-johns-garrett-will-play-two-sports/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/06/08/st-johns-garrett-will-play-two-sports/)
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http://www.lvrj.com/sports/pilots-star-garrett-will-try-to-play-two-sports-123442889.html?ref=889 (http://www.lvrj.com/sports/pilots-star-garrett-will-try-to-play-two-sports-123442889.html?ref=889)
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A left handed pitcher who throws in the mid 90's? This is a no brainer to me
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He wants to make this work because he wants to make sure he does not close the door on a potential baseball career but he is in love with playing at SJU for Lavin. Kid is hyped about the fall and all the incoming recruits he will be playing with.
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A few questions to ask:
Can Amir play for Coach Blankmeyer at SJU once the basketball season ends? I know Terry Bross played both sports back in the 80's.
Could he still play for SJU and minor league baseball over the summer in the Reds organization?
I am not sure what the rules are on this, but didn't Ryan Minor(who played hoops for Oklahoma and for the Orioles ) didn't he play minor league baseball in the summer while still attending Oklahoma?
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Reds aren't going to hand over a ton of money for a 22nd round selection...unless he realllly wants to play baseball, he's coming here. If a possible NBA career doesn't pan out, he can always try baseball again.
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Yes, Amir, if he signs with the Reds, can play in the minors and play for Coach Lavin, but why would he? As I, and a few other posters, have said a few times, the pro money is just not there now. Amir would get as much, if not more, baseball exposure at the college level than at the lower minor league level.
I do not think Amir, right now, has the pitching skill level necessary for the pros. He should give himself some time to work on these skills at St. John's. Who knows, by 2014 he may be a #1 pick and go right into the pros.
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Mods- these 3 threads really should be combined.
We know that he's not getting BIG money if Signing w Cinn,
but I put this question on other thread-
If he does sign w Reds & plays hoops here-
Is he still on scholarship ?
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If he signs with Reds (w signing bonus) & plays summer
minor league baseball & comes to SJU to play hoops,
Is he still on Basketball Scholarship? (seems like the best of both worlds)
If no schol, does he become a "walk-on" & release a scholarship ?
He would still be on scholarship. I think the Garrett's played this completely wrong and should have been more forthcoming. If teams knew he was signable, which he appears to be, he probably would have gone much higher.
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I don't know exactly, but i do know that this same situation happened with Jake Locker after he was drafted by the Angels and he signed. The Angels actually paid his tuition for his Senior year of school. So I know it doesn't effect eligibility but I'm not sure about how the scholarship works out. Based on the Locker situation I would assume you can no longer receive a scholarship if you are being paid to play another sport.
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I still feel Amir will play two sports at St. John's.
I read that someone believes that having a pro pitching coach is better than someone at the college level. I do not necessarily go along with that. Just check out how many pitchers from the college ranks went in the early rounds. Kids, particularly pitchers, now days, are going to college to prepare for the pros. I believe #1 pick Cole turned down the Yanks, without even negotiating a bonus amount, just to go to college at UCLA. He knew in three years, if all went well, he would turn pro.
We seem to feel that Amir hitting 96 is a sure sign that he will make it in the pros. Not necessarily so!
He is a work in progress, or a project. He clearly has a good deal of natural talent in baseball.
He and his family have to decide to either take the $300K ($180K after taxes) now or the potential of $2 million in 2014.
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The Reds got him right where they should have in the 22nd round. Teams at that point (and much earlier in the draft) will take high school talent with signability questions. They have in Garrett a power left arm who's done very little pitching. It depends how much they want to go above the gentleman's agreement slot to get him under contract. One thing is certain Amir will not and should not play baseball for St. John's. If he wants to be a pitcher he should allow pro coaches to teach him.
One question is..if he does play basketball next year and not baseball does the three year rule apply to him, meaning he can't be drafted for baseball till his junior year or is he eligible for the 2012 draft??
JPM, the SJU coaching staff just got a kid who was not drafted out of HS taken in the first round in his junior year. Coaching staff did not hurt that guy, why would they hurt Amir? Those guys in the pros send plenty of kids to surgery.
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I don't know exactly, but i do know that this same situation happened with Jake Locker after he was drafted by the Angels and he signed. The Angels actually paid his tuition for his Senior year of school. So I know it doesn't effect eligibility but I'm not sure about how the scholarship works out. Based on the Locker situation I would assume you can no longer receive a scholarship if you are being paid to play another sport.
You can still play another sport and get paid by MLB team.
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I just merged most of the Amir baseball stuff into his recruiting thread for all those who were asking for it to be done. Sorry about the delay I have been busy at work and just got a minute free to figure out how to do it on my phone
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First of all I did not mean to single out St. John's staff for their handling of pitching prospects. Fact is that they have developed a reputation thankfully for NOT overworking young arms. That said, I'd advise a kid like Amir to play pro baseball because 1) Once pro teams invest money they're more careful with young arms and 2) I think any young pitching prospect should begin facing hitters with wooden bats as soon as possible. For pitchers, facing hitters armed with aluminum or graphite bats provides no incentive to learn how to throw a fastball to the inner half of the plate because you don't get the reward of say..a pop up off the trademark or a broken bat grounder. Most young pitchers do not throw a "riding fastball" anymore (righty pitchers do not command the plate inside to righty batters for example) and I think the reason for that is the way aluminum effects the amateur game. In Amir's situation refining him begins with refining his mechanics so that he can control his fastball. At a pro extended spring training camp or with a short season team, there are more eyes and more ideas.
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First of all I did not mean to single out St. John's staff for their handling of pitching prospects. Fact is that they have developed a reputation thankfully for NOT overworking young arms. That said, I'd advise a kid like Amir to play pro baseball because 1) Once pro teams invest money they're more careful with young arms and 2) I think any young pitching prospect should begin facing hitters with wooden bats as soon as possible. For pitchers, facing hitters armed with aluminum or graphite bats provides no incentive to learn how to throw a fastball to the inner half of the plate because you don't get the reward of say..a pop up off the trademark or a broken bat grounder. Most young pitchers do not throw a "riding fastball" anymore (righty pitchers do not command the plate inside to righty batters for example) and I think the reason for that is the way aluminum effects the amateur game. In Amir's situation refining him begins with refining his mechanics so that he can control his fastball. At a pro extended spring training camp or with a short season team, there are more eyes and more ideas.
John, I don't think your draft question a few posts above was answered.
Garrett can be drafted again the year he turns 21, if he doesn't sign this summer.
For most college players, this is after their junior season.
If you remember pitcher Anthony Sullivan a few years back, he was drafted after his sophomore season as he was a class behind.
I believe Garrett will turn 19 this calendar year.
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Amir has already said he won't play for STJ baseball.
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I believe Amir and his family will rethink the best path for not only his baseball future, but the money aspect as well. After all, they thought he would go in the first few rounds and mentioned $1.5 million. $300K, minus taxes, is a far cry from $1.5 million.
The family should seek out some advise from some talented baseball people before making any decisions.
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baseball america is reporting the reds are working hard at having amir give up his st john's scholarship to sign with them.
i hate the offseason.
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I do not think any team works hard on signing a 22nd round draft choice. The player usually works hard at trying to sign for a few extra $$$. If they thought that much about Amir, they would have selected him much earlier.
His Dad's demands did not frighten teams away, it was Amir's lack of recent baseball experience.
Even if Amir signed with the Reds, his playing basketball at St. John's would not impact his baseball time commitments until probably the mid-Spring of 2012. Minor leagues do start later than the majors.
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I do not think any team works hard on signing a 22nd round draft choice. The player usually works hard at trying to sign for a few extra $$$. If they thought that much about Amir, they would have selected him much earlier.
His Dad's demands did not frighten teams away, it was Amir's lack of recent baseball experience.
Even if Amir signed with the Reds, his playing basketball at St. John's would not impact his baseball time commitments until probably the mid-Spring of 2012. Minor leagues do start later than the majors.
Minor leagues start about a week later. But they all have to report when spring training starts, and usually, most young guys want to be there earlier than the official report day for ST. That date would be right in the middle of the Big East seaon.
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baseball america is reporting the reds are working hard at having amir give up his st john's scholarship to sign with them.
i hate the offseason.
This is the blurb I saw...I don't have subscriber access. But this does not make it seem that the Reds are going to do whatever it takes. And with Amir stating several times that he will be coming to St. John's I don't think there is anything to worry about.
"John Manuel of Baseball America explains that Amir Garrett is a natural at two sports: baseball and basketball. The Reds will try to convince their 22nd rounder to give up a basketball scholarship at St. John's for a pro baseball career."
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garrett to sign with reds..play both sports per YAHOO..
Findlay (Nev.) Prep star and St. John's basketball signee Amir Garrett might seem like a likely candidate to idolize athletic wing stars like himself. Given his dual professional goals, an NBA sharp shooter from the past might be more ideal: Celtics general manager Danny Ainge.
Why Ainge? Probably because the former Celtics and Suns star is also the last significant player to reach the top flight of both baseball and basketball, taking turns in the Blue Jays outfield before moving on to basketball.
While the skills needed to excel at football and baseball intersect enough to make the two-sport professional venture more traditional, Garrett -- who was Rivals.com's No. 68 overall prospect in the country in the Class of 2011 -- will be embarking on the relatively unique pursuit of chasing a professional career in both the MLB and NBA, after a recent agreement with St. John's yielding an opportunity for Garrett to play summer baseball for the Reds organization, after Cincinnati selected the future Red Storm swingman in the 22nd round of the draft.
"Man, all I can say is it's a blessing," Garrett told JohnnyJungle.com after he was drafted. "It's just a great feeling to get a call like that. I give glory to God. That's all I can do."
He can also thank the St. John's basketball program, which worked with Garrett, a key component of its loaded Class of 2011 recruiting class, to ensure he would show up on the school's Queens campus and play basketball next fall.
Of course, not being picked in the first 10 rounds of the draft probably helped ensure that Garrett would maintain a dual focus, at least for now.
"If he went high, it would have been one or the other," Garrett's father, Darrow, told the Las Vegas Review-Journal, which first reported that Garrett would play both sports starting in 2012. "We love [St. John's basketball coach] Steve Lavin, and I told everyone it would have taken a lot to just walk away from him. This way he can still play basketball at St. John's and do the things he wants to be able to do."
While there may be a number of things that Garrett wants to do, there are ample reasons to believe that he has brighter prospects in baseball, despite the focus he has placed on basketball in recent years. As reported by Prep Rally's college basketball brother blog, The Dagger, Garrett threw an astounding 89 mph in his first pitching workouts when he picked up a baseball for the first time in months, then ramped that speed up to an even more impressive 96 mph just weeks later … in front of nearly 40 Major League Baseball scouts.
Between his size and velocity, plenty of baseball talent evaluators think Garrett could eventually be a David Price-like superstar. Until then, he'll keep plugging away at both the sports he loves, with the hopes that maybe he might be lucky enough to duplicate the success that Ainge and a previous few before him have accomplished.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/Top-prospect-to-play-NCAA-hoops-pro-baseball-at?urn=highschool-wp2875 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/Top-prospect-to-play-NCAA-hoops-pro-baseball-at?urn=highschool-wp2875)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnT_1cSgdaI&feature=player_detailpage#t=44s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnT_1cSgdaI&feature=player_detailpage#t=44s)
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garrett to sign with reds..play both sports per YAHOO..
While the skills needed to excel at football and baseball intersect enough to make the two-sport professional venture more traditional, Garrett -- who was Rivals.com's No. 68 overall prospect in the country in the Class of 2011 -- will be embarking on the relatively unique pursuit of chasing a professional career in both the MLB and NBA, after a recent agreement with St. John's yielding an opportunity for Garrett to play summer baseball for the Reds organization, after Cincinnati selected the future Red Storm swingman in the 22nd round of the draft.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/Top-prospect-to-play-NCAA-hoops-pro-baseball-at?urn=highschool-wp2875 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/highschool/blog/prep_rally/post/Top-prospect-to-play-NCAA-hoops-pro-baseball-at?urn=highschool-wp2875)
I dunno, maybe its 'cause I'm an oldtimer, but I can name more players who went Basketball/Baseball (Pro in one or both sports, Div-1 college in the other) than I can Basketball/football.....Chuck Connors, Gene Conley, Dave Dubuschere, Sandy Koufax, Cotton Nash, Dick Groat, Ron Reed, Tim Stoddard, on to guys like Tony Gwynn, Kenny Lofton, Mark Hendrickson, the aforementioned Danny Ainge. Heck, Michael Jordan. And those are just the ones off the top of my head....
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For the most part, playing two sports is a thing of the past. Athletes are making too much money in one sport, so why should they jeopardize their future earnings playing another sport. They also want some time off to relax.
There should be no surprise to see a lack of football/basketball athletes. The beating a football player's body takes in a game and during the season (and in the practices) needs time to heal.
By the way, I saw Brooklyn's own (and a SH guy) Chuck Connors mentioned as a two sport athlete. I think he was also drafted by an NFL team.
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Unless you're Deion Sanders.
He proved that with hard work a world class athlete could be an awesome football player, and a half way decent baseball player. Sometimes.
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the university of minnesota's dave winfield was a three sport athlete. for you oldtimers...jim brown was another.
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Jim Brown could have played any sport he wanted.
He was a legend in his own time.
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Jeff Samardzija
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I just heard that the Yankees' top pick, Dante B. Jr., is only getting $750K to sign. I am not sure if he is coming from HS or college.
So a 22nd Round pick might get less than the $300K we seemed to all focus on earlier.
I know the #1 overall pick and the DBacks #1 picks, both great college pitchers (UCLA) and juniors, will get more.
Forgive me folks for repeating myself, but I just do not see the advantage of Amir going pro. The money just will not be there now. The school season is September to May, which rules out spring training at the Reds complex.
So here is a possible scenario for what does Amir for the next few years in pro baseball: This year probably pitching in the rookie league; next May going into low A; maybe next fall he may pitch in the AZ Fall League for promising players. In May of his sophomore year at St. John's, Amir may go into high-A, if he is talented. In May of his junior year he may advance to AA, which is the pitchers' league.
The other scenario has Amir playing on the St. John's baseball team and pitching three seasons (fall, spring and summer) for the next three years. If he has the pitching talent, he could sign in his junior year for perhaps $2 million by then, and at which point he would probably go into AA ball. He would have less problems here trying to juggle two sports.
The AZ Republic had a recent story about how the DBacks top 10 or so prospects have been doing from last year to this year. Not an encouraging read, especially for their young arms.
But in the end, Amir seems determined to go pro baseball now. I just wish he and his family would talk this out with some baseball folks, if the have not done so yet. Believing Amir would first be drafted in the first three rounds, then the first ten rounds, leads me to believe that they have not done so. A reality check would be helpful.
I know Amir wants to play pro ball now
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Kevin Durant just gave our boy Amir a shout out on Twitter telling everyone to follow "left handed monster going to St. John's" thought that was pretty cool...
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Back to Newsie's post-
I see nothing there that shows he's signed with Cincy. All articles are from June 8th or thereabouts around the Draft where it said he would stay committed to STJ and see what happens with the Draft. Well he was drafted and we've heard crickets since then.
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http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110613&content_id=20424072¬ebook_id=20450760&vkey=notebook_cin&c_id=cin&partnerId=rss_cin (http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110613&content_id=20424072¬ebook_id=20450760&vkey=notebook_cin&c_id=cin&partnerId=rss_cin)
this is the most recent article I have found regarding the Reds signing any draft picks and it was from a week ago. They have signed guys drafted after Amir but it seems like there has been no movement within the orginization as far as signing draft picks.
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I just heard that the Yankees' top pick, Dante B. Jr., is only getting $750K to sign. I am not sure if he is coming from HS or college.
So a 22nd Round pick might get less than the $300K we seemed to all focus on earlier.
I know the #1 overall pick and the DBacks #1 picks, both great college pitchers (UCLA) and juniors, will get more.
Forgive me folks for repeating myself, but I just do not see the advantage of Amir going pro. The money just will not be there now. The school season is September to May, which rules out spring training at the Reds complex.
So here is a possible scenario for what does Amir for the next few years in pro baseball: This year probably pitching in the rookie league; next May going into low A; maybe next fall he may pitch in the AZ Fall League for promising players. In May of his sophomore year at St. John's, Amir may go into high-A, if he is talented. In May of his junior year he may advance to AA, which is the pitchers' league.
The other scenario has Amir playing on the St. John's baseball team and pitching three seasons (fall, spring and summer) for the next three years. If he has the pitching talent, he could sign in his junior year for perhaps $2 million by then, and at which point he would probably go into AA ball. He would have less problems here trying to juggle two sports.
The AZ Republic had a recent story about how the DBacks top 10 or so prospects have been doing from last year to this year. Not an encouraging read, especially for their young arms.
But in the end, Amir seems determined to go pro baseball now. I just wish he and his family would talk this out with some baseball folks, if the have not done so yet. Believing Amir would first be drafted in the first three rounds, then the first ten rounds, leads me to believe that they have not done so. A reality check would be helpful.
I know Amir wants to play pro ball now
I don't think the round he was drafted in is a knock on his skills, but rather his signability. He has a strong commitment to St. John's for basketball and I'm sure teams didn't want to waste a high draft pick on someone who may not sign. With that being said, I'm sure his signing bonus will be be much higher than the slot for the 22nd round because if it wasn't then there really would be no reason for him to play pro ball right now.
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baseball america is reporting the reds are working hard at having amir give up his st john's scholarship to sign with them.
i hate the offseason.
Yeah, it is always rough when we need to fill 10 ships in one season. None of this would be a problem if that wasn't the case. I have no problem with Amirmdoing what is best for him, although it could leave us a bit short this coming season isn't am good thing. Unfortunately, Amir wouldmnot have been able to make a decision like this any earlier. I hope and think Amir will probably play this season, and we can really use him, even if we don't get him back for the year after.
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Back to Newsie's post-
I see nothing there that shows he's signed with Cincy. All articles are from June 8th or thereabouts around the Draft where it said he would stay committed to STJ and see what happens with the Draft. Well he was drafted and we've heard crickets since then.
all indications in the article from yahoo...and the las vegas paper...is that he's signing. whether they've agreed on the numbers is academic. his father is talking about playing two sports. amir calls it a blessing that he can do both. it's a chance to pick up some money while keeping his basketball eligibility.
the bottom line is he'll stay in shape 12 months out of the year and we can root for him to succeed in two sports.
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I doubt his signing bonus will be "much higher" than any one else drafted in the 22 nd round. There is no need to do so. Amir is already out there saying he wants to play baseball. That has weakened his bargaining power some what.
I also think his being drafted in the 22 nd round is really more about his talent at this point than his signability, but both factored into the draft equation. If he pitched his "senior" year in HS and had hit some of those 96 mph numbers on a regular basis, he would probably have been drafted much higher (or is it lower).
Remember, it will not only be two sports that he will be involved with, but going to college as well. That is a good deal of commitment for an 18-19 year old to not only make, but keep on top of.
Good luck, Amir!
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I doubt his signing bonus will be "much higher" than any one else drafted in the 22 nd round. There is no need to do so. Amir is already out there saying he wants to play baseball. That has weakened his bargaining power some what.
I also think his being drafted in the 22 nd round is really more about his talent at this point than his signability, but both factored into the draft equation. If he pitched his "senior" year in HS and had hit some of those 96 mph numbers on a regular basis, he would probably have been drafted much higher (or is it lower).
Remember, it will not only be two sports that he will be involved with, but going to college as well. That is a good deal of commitment for an 18-19 year old to not only make, but keep on top of.
Good luck, Amir!
A tall high school lefty who throws 95+ and doesn't have a commitment to another sport at a college will be picked in the first 4 rounds. There is no doubt that it will take more than 22nd round money to sign him and if he was just a baseball player he would have gone much higher. He is better at baseball than a 22nd round talent, this happens in the MLB draft all the time. Signability is just as important as skill when choosing when to draft a player. He made it clear before the draft he was playing basketball in college no matter what and that hurt his draft position.
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I doubt his signing bonus will be "much higher" than any one else drafted in the 22 nd round. There is no need to do so. Amir is already out there saying he wants to play baseball. That has weakened his bargaining power some what.
I also think his being drafted in the 22 nd round is really more about his talent at this point than his signability, but both factored into the draft equation. If he pitched his "senior" year in HS and had hit some of those 96 mph numbers on a regular basis, he would probably have been drafted much higher (or is it lower).
Remember, it will not only be two sports that he will be involved with, but going to college as well. That is a good deal of commitment for an 18-19 year old to not only make, but keep on top of.
Good luck, Amir!
A tall high school lefty who throws 95+ and doesn't have a commitment to another sport at a college will be picked in the first 4 rounds. There is no doubt that it will take more than 22nd round money to sign him and if he was just a baseball player he would have gone much higher. He is better at baseball than a 22nd round talent, this happens in the MLB draft all the time. Signability is just as important as skill when choosing when to draft a player. He made it clear before the draft he was playing basketball in college no matter what and that hurt his draft position.
Amir seems heck bent on playing pro baseball, as his emails have indicated. I believe he will sign for whatever Cincy offers him. They are in the driver's seat, not Amir.
Going to a baseball clinic for two weeks to work on his fastball is not the same as pitching his senior year in HS throwing 95+ mph every game. That is like any of us, who routinely drive a golf ball in the 200-225 yard range, hauling off and popping one 250+ yards. Apparently, he normally throws in the low 90's, which is still not too bad. Remember, movement on a fast ball is the key, not just the speed.
Look none of us, including me, knows what kind of ball player Amir really is now or will be. If he plays both sports, he will be on threadmill, with very little time off. I can see him dropping one sport after awhile.
I wonder if the family has spoken to someone like Terry Bross.
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Least we got somebody to play the role of Grant Hill fo the baseball pass to Laetner fo the game wiinin J against Kentucky this year. Ahhhhhhhhhh!
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I doubt his signing bonus will be "much higher" than any one else drafted in the 22 nd round. There is no need to do so. Amir is already out there saying he wants to play baseball. That has weakened his bargaining power some what.
I also think his being drafted in the 22 nd round is really more about his talent at this point than his signability, but both factored into the draft equation. If he pitched his "senior" year in HS and had hit some of those 96 mph numbers on a regular basis, he would probably have been drafted much higher (or is it lower).
Remember, it will not only be two sports that he will be involved with, but going to college as well. That is a good deal of commitment for an 18-19 year old to not only make, but keep on top of.
Good luck, Amir!
A tall high school lefty who throws 95+ and doesn't have a commitment to another sport at a college will be picked in the first 4 rounds. There is no doubt that it will take more than 22nd round money to sign him and if he was just a baseball player he would have gone much higher. He is better at baseball than a 22nd round talent, this happens in the MLB draft all the time. Signability is just as important as skill when choosing when to draft a player. He made it clear before the draft he was playing basketball in college no matter what and that hurt his draft position.
Amir seems heck bent on playing pro baseball, as his emails have indicated. I believe he will sign for whatever Cincy offers him. They are in the driver's seat, not Amir.
Going to a baseball clinic for two weeks to work on his fastball is not the same as pitching his senior year in HS throwing 95+ mph every game. That is like any of us, who routinely drive a golf ball in the 200-225 yard range, hauling off and popping one 250+ yards. Apparently, he normally throws in the low 90's, which is still not too bad. Remember, movement on a fast ball is the key, not just the speed.
Look none of us, including me, knows what kind of ball player Amir really is now or will be. If he plays both sports, he will be on threadmill, with very little time off. I can see him dropping one sport after awhile.
I wonder if the family has spoken to someone like Terry Bross.
His emails?
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Here's a couple of tweets from Amir. Sounds like hes playing baseball. Pitched yesterday and gave up 1 hit and stuck out 10. not sure what kind of league it is. There is also another tweet that mentions playing both basketball and baseball so at least nothing has changed on that end.
Amir_Garrett amir garrett
@unprotectedtalk. @SaniMacc. Chris explain to sani that I'm playin both she's confused...
15 hours ago
amir garrett
Amir_Garrett amir garrett
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@unprotectedtalk I'm trynna find some, man the other day I pitched I hit 96 1 hitter and struck out 10 in 5 innings with 1 walk
15 hours ago
http://twitter.com/# (http://twitter.com/#)!/Amir_Garrett
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I do not think any team works hard on signing a 22nd round draft choice. The player usually works hard at trying to sign for a few extra $$$. If they thought that much about Amir, they would have selected him much earlier.
His Dad's demands did not frighten teams away, it was Amir's lack of recent baseball experience.
Even if Amir signed with the Reds, his playing basketball at St. John's would not impact his baseball time commitments until probably the mid-Spring of 2012. Minor leagues do start later than the majors.
I'm not disagreeing with your main premise of Amir possibly signing and still playing, but it isn't true that teams never value, and subsequently put a lot of work into signing a 22nd round pick. This is baseball, and awesome players routinely fall into the 20's, some slip through the cracks, some for signability reasons etc.
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I doubt his signing bonus will be "much higher" than any one else drafted in the 22 nd round. There is no need to do so. Amir is already out there saying he wants to play baseball. That has weakened his bargaining power some what.
I also think his being drafted in the 22 nd round is really more about his talent at this point than his signability, but both factored into the draft equation. If he pitched his "senior" year in HS and had hit some of those 96 mph numbers on a regular basis, he would probably have been drafted much higher (or is it lower).
Remember, it will not only be two sports that he will be involved with, but going to college as well. That is a good deal of commitment for an 18-19 year old to not only make, but keep on top of.
Good luck, Amir!
Do you follow baseball of it's draft? You keep repeating the same things over and over but it honestly just doesn't seem like you get it. Top 5 and 10 round talent falls to the 20's all the time. 20th round prospects with signability issues get paid more then 8th round picks all the time. You can keep saying that he fell in the draft because of his talent or because of his time off from baseball, but I couldn't disagree more. He fell so far because he has a strong college commitment.
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His cousin DeShun Garrett plays with Nurideen at Redlands and apparently is a target of SHU for 2012.
Amir and him have been tweeting about playing against each other in the BE and DeShun tweeted recently he looks forward to seeing Nurideen and Amir together at SJU.
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Amir Garrett tweeting that he's leaving July 6th. Presumably for SJU summer session 2 which starts on the 7th. Looks like at this point he's on track to be playing ball this season.
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Heres a video with the top dunkers in the 2011 class from Hoopmix. Amir and Sir Dom are in there.
Top Ten Dunkers In The Class Of 2011!!! Crazy Dunks From Nations Elite! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JvmsC7dHW84#ws)
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Amir is the most intriguing recruit to me. It seems like he can do it all--shoot, defend, he's athletic as hell, good size, etc. While Mo is clearly the most skilled forward offensively, Garrett seems like the most well-rounded of the group and of all the recruits IMO.
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Amir is the most intriguing recruit to me. It seems like he can do it all--shoot, defend, he's athletic as hell, good size, etc. While Mo is clearly the most skilled forward offensively, Garrett seems like the most well-rounded of the group and of all the recruits IMO.
Actually, I think the Amir might have the most to work on in some ways, of the forwards. I've read that his right hand is not existent handling -wise which causes him trouble at times, and he needs to work on his shot a bit. That said, he's clearly an amazing athlete, excellent defender and has a great work ethic. If the staff can get the kid's handle to the point where he isn't forced to go left, he's got huge upside.
I think the most well rounded forwards of ours are either sirDom or Sampson. Both have good handles with both hands, the ability play offense and defense and block shots. They both need a little work with their shooting, but most freshmen forwards do. Harkless is the best shooter of our forwards. He just coasts too much on defense. Harkless needs to learn some aggression at both ends, but his shooting range is in the lead wrt our forwards.
Most well rounded of all the recruits might be D'Angelo. He's got a nice handle with both hands, great shooting touch, aggressive attitude and can rebound real well for a guard. I expect him to be one of the most ready coming in.
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His cousin DeShun Garrett plays with Nurideen at Redlands and apparently is a target of SHU for 2012.
Amir and him have been tweeting about playing against each other in the BE and DeShun tweeted recently he looks forward to seeing Nurideen and Amir together at SJU.
Has he tweeted Amir as to what he thinks of Nuri as a talent and a teammate?
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Amir is the most intriguing recruit to me. It seems like he can do it all--shoot, defend, he's athletic as hell, good size, etc. While Mo is clearly the most skilled forward offensively, Garrett seems like the most well-rounded of the group and of all the recruits IMO.
I think amir is a mixture of all of our other small forward recruits.
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His cousin DeShun Garrett plays with Nurideen at Redlands and apparently is a target of SHU for 2012.
Amir and him have been tweeting about playing against each other in the BE and DeShun tweeted recently he looks forward to seeing Nurideen and Amir together at SJU.
Has he tweeted Amir as to what he thinks of Nuri as a talent and a teammate?
Not that I saw. Just to be clear, DeShun is being recruited by Seton Hall NOT SJU.
By the way Amir reitterated today that he leaves for SJU this Wed:
http://twitter.com/# (http://twitter.com/#)!/Amir_Garrett/status/87606658225807360
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Amir is the most intriguing recruit to me. It seems like he can do it all--shoot, defend, he's athletic as hell, good size, etc. While Mo is clearly the most skilled forward offensively, Garrett seems like the most well-rounded of the group and of all the recruits IMO.
Actually, I think the Amir might have the most to work on in some ways, of the forwards. I've read that his right hand is not existent handling -wise which causes him trouble at times, and he needs to work on his shot a bit. That said, he's clearly an amazing athlete, excellent defender and has a great work ethic. If the staff can get the kid's handle to the point where he isn't forced to go left, he's got huge upside.
I think the most well rounded forwards of ours are either sirDom or Sampson. Both have good handles with both hands, the ability play offense and defense and block shots. They both need a little work with their shooting, but most freshmen forwards do. Harkless is the best shooter of our forwards. He just coasts too much on defense. Harkless needs to learn some aggression at both ends, but his shooting range is in the lead wrt our forwards.
Most well rounded of all the recruits might be D'Angelo. He's got a nice handle with both hands, great shooting touch, aggressive attitude and can rebound real well for a guard. I expect him to be one of the most ready coming in.
From what I've seen it looks like Garrett has a handle that is well above and beyond either....that's not to say, though, that Garrett can't really improve in that area or several others. I just think he can do a little bit of everything. I don't think he'll be a kid that can take it consistently to the basket and dominate, but I think he'll be able to play with any lineup and has no glaring deficiency. Pointer is a kid that I think eventually could be a #1 option and dominant on both sides of the ball.
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What a blast this Summer and Fall will be as we all discuss who each of us thinks will be the most "intriguing" incoming player. Amir certainly has a good deal of special talents, as does the rest of the squad. While none of knows how well the team will do this season, it will be fun to watch each of our favorites, as they develop and shine.
Just think, it was only 16 months ago or so that we would have died to get a single recruit with Amir's talent. Now we have a multitude of talented young men. Thanks Amir, and thank you, Coach Lavin.
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Where have you gone Remi Barry lol
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Amir just tweeted he finished a workout with Jakarr so seems Jakarr has made it to campus as well.
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Amir just tweeted he finished a workout with Jakarr so seems Jakarr has made it to campus as well.
Excellent. I can't even imagine how much more competitive practices are going to be. It seems like each player possesses a truly elite talent. Pelle, for example, will have to defend the bruising GG and then a play later might have to try his hand at the unbelievably athletic Sampson.
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Amir just tweeted he finished a workout with Jakarr so seems Jakarr has made it to campus as well.
Excellent. I can't even imagine how much more competitive practices are going to be. It seems like each player possesses a truly elite talent. Pelle, for example, will have to defend the bruising GG and then a play later might have to try his hand at the unbelievably athletic Sampson.
great point marillac. Id say pelle is the better athlete when it comes to him and sampson but sampson is absolutely an elite athlete in his own right
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According to Zags, Amir Garrett is also taking a class at Rise Academy, like Norvel.
[tweet]http://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/89417006415216640[/tweet]
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According to Zags, Amir Garrett is also taking a class at Rise Academy, like Norvel.
[tweet]http://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/89417006415216640[/tweet]
Amir has a good career to fall back on if he isnt eligible.
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I thought Amir was on SJU Campus already ?
If true, that makes 3 taking summer classes, but not @ SJU ?
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Not sure either, but I don't believe that Amir is at risk of not qualifying.
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I am pretty sure that St. John's does not have have high school courses. Why should they?
You would have thought there were some high schools in NYC where our guys could have gone, instead of in Philly.
Maybe, Coach Lavin will ask the school to implement some high school courses. However, it is probably better to stay away from having courses for high school athletes, who are planning on attending your college.
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Amir, Nuri and Jakarr from the Chosen League
http://yfrog.com/klr5wtjj (http://yfrog.com/klr5wtjj)
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According to this article, Garrett plans on playing minor league baseball during the offseason as well as b-ball for STJ.
I predict that he will be playing in the majors within two years, so he likely wont be here for long
http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/26283066/29882587 (http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/26283066/29882587)
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According to this article, Garrett plans on playing minor league baseball during the offseason as well as b-ball for STJ.
I predict that he will be playing in the majors within two years, so he likely wont be here for long
http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/26283066/29882587 (http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/26283066/29882587)
He won't be in the big leagues for a long time, if ever. He's very raw, and only the most polished young arms are brought up at 20 or 21 years of age.
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According to this article, Garrett plans on playing minor league baseball during the offseason as well as b-ball for STJ.
I predict that he will be playing in the majors within two years, so he likely wont be here for long
http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/26283066/29882587 (http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/26283066/29882587)
Article was from June 8th. Still haven't heard anything about him actually signing with the Reds.
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The best High School prospects in the country take 3 years at the least to make the majors. With all due respect to Amir he would be lucky to ever make the majors and if he does it will be 4 years from now or more. He didn't event pitch last year, he will have a lot to work on.
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Probably the reason Amir is taking college basketball seriously and is intent on trying to make a run playing bball as well. I'm sure Amir knows the same with regards to baseball. No problem for him to take his time and play college basketball for a few years. I wish him success at both.
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According to this article, Garrett plans on playing minor league baseball during the offseason as well as b-ball for STJ.
I predict that he will be playing in the majors within two years, so he likely wont be here for long
http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/26283066/29882587 (http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/26283066/29882587)
College of Southern Nevada coach said Amir's workout most bananas thing he has ever seen on a baseball diamond. And with the 675th pick in the draft.... I can't figure what Amir did that day, but I don't think S.Nevada coach watches much baseball.
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According to this article, Garrett plans on playing minor league baseball during the offseason as well as b-ball for STJ.
I predict that he will be playing in the majors within two years, so he likely wont be here for long
http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/26283066/29882587 (http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/26283066/29882587)
College of Southern Nevada coach said Amir's workout most bananas thing he has ever seen on a baseball diamond. And with the 675th pick in the draft.... I can't figure what Amir did that day, but I don't think S.Nevada coach watches much baseball.
His draft position was based less on skill and more on signability. If he didn't have a strong commitment to St. John's he probably would've gone in the first few rounds.
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Two separate clips of Garrett....
Chosen League Mixtape presented by Dime Magazine ft. Rysheed Jordan, Amir Garrett, SICK DUNKS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G3LAcqJqYo#)
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Two separate clips of Garrett....
Chosen League Mixtape presented by Dime Magazine ft. Rysheed Jordan, Amir Garrett, SICK DUNKS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G3LAcqJqYo#)
Pelle at the end too.
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Two separate clips of Garrett....
Chosen League Mixtape presented by Dime Magazine ft. Rysheed Jordan, Amir Garrett, SICK DUNKS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G3LAcqJqYo#)
Pelle at the end too.
It says pelle but im posiive its jakarr
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Two separate clips of Garrett....
Chosen League Mixtape presented by Dime Magazine ft. Rysheed Jordan, Amir Garrett, SICK DUNKS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G3LAcqJqYo#)
Pelle at the end too.
It says pelle but im posiive its jakarr
It was definitely Jakkar and WOW did he look explosive. If that kid learns to play with aggression and explosion on a regular basis LOOK OUT.
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Two separate clips of Garrett....
Chosen League Mixtape presented by Dime Magazine ft. Rysheed Jordan, Amir Garrett, SICK DUNKS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9G3LAcqJqYo#)
Pelle at the end too.
It says pelle but im posiive its jakarr
True. I was surprised he was so far from basket but just figured it was new dimension. Makes sense now.
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This class is going to be SO fun to watch.
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This class is going to be SO fun to watch.
If Jakkar can attack the basket like that in the half court, holy crap. That would be a dribbl-drive offense to make Calipari drool. We'd have four guys on the floor that could attack the rim off the bounces with some room. That's a Lavin offense right there.
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This class is going to be SO fun to watch.
If Jakkar can attack the basket like that in the half court, holy crap. That would be a dribbl-drive offense to make Calipari drool. We'd have four guys on the floor that could attack the rim off the bounces with some room. That's a Lavin offense right there.
People are sleeping on us in the Big East. Bad idea. We're going to be nasty down to our 12th player...
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This class is going to be SO fun to watch.
If Jakkar can attack the basket like that in the half court, holy crap. That would be a dribbl-drive offense to make Calipari drool. We'd have four guys on the floor that could attack the rim off the bounces with some room. That's a Lavin offense right there.
People are sleeping on us in the Big East. Bad idea. We're going to be nasty down to our 12th player...
I think I may have short-changed Sampson myself.
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This class is going to be SO fun to watch.
If Jakkar can attack the basket like that in the half court, holy crap. That would be a dribbl-drive offense to make Calipari drool. We'd have four guys on the floor that could attack the rim off the bounces with some room. That's a Lavin offense right there.
People are sleeping on us in the Big East. Bad idea. We're going to be nasty down to our 12th player...
With the 9 newbies and Stith, who are our 11th and 12th "Nasties"?
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This class is going to be SO fun to watch.
If Jakkar can attack the basket like that in the half court, holy crap. That would be a dribbl-drive offense to make Calipari drool. We'd have four guys on the floor that could attack the rim off the bounces with some room. That's a Lavin offense right there.
People are sleeping on us in the Big East. Bad idea. We're going to be nasty down to our 12th player...
With the 9 newbies and Stith, who are our 11th and 12th "Nasties"?
down to our 10th... ;)
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This class is going to be SO fun to watch.
If Jakkar can attack the basket like that in the half court, holy crap. That would be a dribbl-drive offense to make Calipari drool. We'd have four guys on the floor that could attack the rim off the bounces with some room. That's a Lavin offense right there.
I love the way Jakarr puts it on the floor on the baseline and attacks the hoop. He'll have an open lane down there a lot, and difficult to stop.
And FWIW, I love how we're only running 10 this year. It allows us to really develop our core of players and have enough PT to keep everybody happy. It sets things up well moving forward. If we did have 11-13, we might have some highly ranked guys not getting much time. Right now we have enough to field two lineups without injuries. Everybody will get plenty of run and time to compete.
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This class is going to be SO fun to watch.
If Jakkar can attack the basket like that in the half court, holy crap. That would be a dribbl-drive offense to make Calipari drool. We'd have four guys on the floor that could attack the rim off the bounces with some room. That's a Lavin offense right there.
I love the way Jakarr puts it on the floor on the baseline and attacks the hoop. He'll have an open lane down there a lot, and difficult to stop.
And FWIW, I love how we're only running 10 this year. It allows us to really develop our core of players and have enough PT to keep everybody happy. It sets things up well moving forward. If we did have 11-13, we might have some highly ranked guys not getting much time. Right now we have enough to field two lineups without injuries. Everybody will get plenty of run and time to compete.
Personally, I wouldn't have minded a "project" or two - a couple guys getting a couple years in practice against elite talent, ready to step up in 2014 or 2015. Steve has experience winning National Championships with "projects" like George Zidek and Cameron Dollar...and deep tourney runs with guys like Rico Hines and Billy Knight.
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This class is going to be SO fun to watch.
If Jakkar can attack the basket like that in the half court, holy crap. That would be a dribbl-drive offense to make Calipari drool. We'd have four guys on the floor that could attack the rim off the bounces with some room. That's a Lavin offense right there.
I love the way Jakarr puts it on the floor on the baseline and attacks the hoop. He'll have an open lane down there a lot, and difficult to stop.
And FWIW, I love how we're only running 10 this year. It allows us to really develop our core of players and have enough PT to keep everybody happy. It sets things up well moving forward. If we did have 11-13, we might have some highly ranked guys not getting much time. Right now we have enough to field two lineups without injuries. Everybody will get plenty of run and time to compete.
Personally, I wouldn't have minded a "project" or two - a couple guys getting a couple years in practice against elite talent, ready to step up in 2014 or 2015. Steve has experience winning National Championships with "projects" like George Zidek and Cameron Dollar...and deep tourney runs with guys like Rico Hines and Billy Knight.
I don't disagree. I just think the nature of recruiting 9 kids didn't allow for it. I think in the long run, Lavin probably will have one or two of those types of guys, but it'll happen when the classes even out a bit.
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And FWIW, I love how we're only running 10 this year. It allows us to really develop our core of players and have enough PT to keep everybody happy. It sets things up well moving forward. If we did have 11-13, we might have some highly ranked guys not getting much time.
This here is important and wise.
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And FWIW, I love how we're only running 10 this year. It allows us to really develop our core of players and have enough PT to keep everybody happy. It sets things up well moving forward. If we did have 11-13, we might have some highly ranked guys not getting much time.
This here is important and wise.
Agreed and also a reason I think we will be set with 2012 class if Kyle commits. Until someone leaves or something is more clear in the spring that is.
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And FWIW, I love how we're only running 10 this year. It allows us to really develop our core of players and have enough PT to keep everybody happy. It sets things up well moving forward. If we did have 11-13, we might have some highly ranked guys not getting much time.
This here is important and wise.
And will make for some hellacious practices. Hope we don't kill ourself in practice.
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If I am not mistaken, I think either Sunday or Monday may be the deadline for signing "first year" players. So there should be a good deal of activity with teams signing HS and college players. Has there been any word from Amir on his intentions?
I still would like to see him pitch for the Red Storm over the next three years, especially with pitch counts for young arms being strictly enforced by so many MLB teams.
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according to his twitter, garrett is now up to 212 pounds. I think well see garrett at the four spot a lot more than some think
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according to his twitter, garrett is now up to 212 pounds. I think well see garrett at the four spot a lot more than some think
Can't see that honestly.
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I would love to see Sampson and Pelle hit the weight room with Amir, Those 2 need more muscle.
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according to his twitter, garrett is now up to 212 pounds. I think well see garrett at the four spot a lot more than some think
Can't see that honestly.
Agree, Garrett is a pure wing player. No chance he's a 4.
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According to the honorable but very tough to please SJUHoopNut :2funny: Amir was at West 4th St today watching Moe play.
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according to his twitter, garrett is now up to 212 pounds. I think well see garrett at the four spot a lot more than some think
Can't see that honestly.
Agree, Garrett is a pure wing player. No chance he's a 4.
Garrett's got the body and defensive mentality to play the 4. He'd be the third or fourth option but I wouldn't be surprised to see him log some time there depending on foul or injury situations. If we want to play a quick, agressive pressing or trapping D he'd fit in perfectly at the 4.
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according to his twitter, garrett is now up to 212 pounds. I think well see garrett at the four spot a lot more than some think
Can't see that honestly.
Agree, Garrett is a pure wing player. No chance he's a 4.
Garrett's got the body and defensive mentality to play the 4. He'd be the third or fourth option but I wouldn't be surprised to see him log some time there depending on foul or injury situations. If we want to play a quick, agressive pressing or trapping D he'd fit in perfectly at the 4.
These are the guys I see playing 4 in order.
Pelle
Gift
Sampson
Harkless
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according to his twitter, garrett is now up to 212 pounds. I think well see garrett at the four spot a lot more than some think
Can't see that honestly.
Agree, Garrett is a pure wing player. No chance he's a 4.
Garrett's got the body and defensive mentality to play the 4. He'd be the third or fourth option but I wouldn't be surprised to see him log some time there depending on foul or injury situations. If we want to play a quick, agressive pressing or trapping D he'd fit in perfectly at the 4.
These are the guys I see playing 4 in order.
Pelle
Gift
Sampson
Harkless
You think Harkless is better suited for the 4 than Garrett? Didn't Amir play the 4 at Findlay?
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according to his twitter, garrett is now up to 212 pounds. I think well see garrett at the four spot a lot more than some think
Can't see that honestly.
Agree, Garrett is a pure wing player. No chance he's a 4.
Garrett's got the body and defensive mentality to play the 4. He'd be the third or fourth option but I wouldn't be surprised to see him log some time there depending on foul or injury situations. If we want to play a quick, agressive pressing or trapping D he'd fit in perfectly at the 4.
These are the guys I see playing 4 in order.
Pelle
Gift
Sampson
Harkless
You think Harkless is better suited for the 4 than Garrett? Didn't Amir play the 4 at Findlay?
At times yes he did. He started mostly at "4" with Winston Sheppard at the 5. But then they had big guys like Anthony Bennet and Landon Lucas coming off the bench.
It all depends on the matchup and who your playing but Harkless is taller, longer, and bigger in build than Amir. I think he's a little more refined in post move abilities also.
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Amir will not play down low. He'd play the 1 before he plays the 4. He'll be similar to DJ Kennedy.
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Both Amir and jakarr were on loaded teams last year and didn't really get to show their full skill sets. I can't wait to see them flourish at SJU.
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Amir will not play down low. He'd play the 1 before he plays the 4. He'll be similar to DJ Kennedy.
This is Steve Lavin we're talking about. He'd easily run a lineup of Stith, Lindsey, Harrison, Pointer & Garrett (or substitute Harkless or Sampson for any of those) out there if he thought matchups were in his favor....
I'd just remind you that 6'5 Toby Bailey started at PG, SG, SF and PF for the Bruins during his time under Steve Lavin...and hey - 6'1 Earl Watson, 6'3 Baron Davis, 6'4 Kris Johnson, 6'5 Toby Bailey and 6'8 JR Henderson was a force to be reckoned with (and with Jelani McCoy on a suspension, the backups were 6'6 center Travis Reed, and 6'4 frosh wings Billy Knight & Rico Hines). That squad knocked off the Tractor Traylor-led Wolverines in the dance, even with Baron tearing his ACL at the end of the 1st half. WIth the flexibility of that lineup, Steve brought in 6'6 240 lb frosh center Travis Reed for Baron. Reed went to center, Earl to PG, Toby to SG, and JR to PF (only Kris stayed at his position at SF) and while they'd used an advantage in athleticism to take the lead at halftime, with Baron gone, Reed was able to use his bulk to neutralize Traylor in the 2nd half and hold on for the win.
In the category of more info than you want to know: Travis Reed transfered out a year later after both Gadzuric and Moiso arrived at his position. At Long Beach State, he was two times all-conference center averaging 15 pts and 8.5 rebs and shooting 57% those 2 seasons. Too small for the NBA, he went on to a TERRIFIC Euro career - he put up 22pts 11 rebs on 65% shooting in the Baltic league last season - he's put up those kind of numbers for a decade now...He was MVP in the Dutch league twice and 5 times first team all-leauge, and MVP in the Baltic league in 2007. He's made more money from hoops than some of his teammates who actually made the NBA.
I realize that has little to do with a St. Johns board, but I posted it thinking about our twin Justins, as they likely head overseas to begin their pro careers - there are opportunities and rewards out there......
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Amir will not play down low. He'd play the 1 before he plays the 4. He'll be similar to DJ Kennedy.
Who just so happened to play the 4 for us last year. Amir played the four in highschool. Is he more suited to play on the wing yes, but we are thin up front and from what I saw from him he is tough and athletic kid. I guarantee that Amir gets time as our "4" this season.
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Amir will not play down low. He'd play the 1 before he plays the 4. He'll be similar to DJ Kennedy.
Who just so happened to play the 4 for us last year. Amir played the four in highschool. Is he more suited to play on the wing yes, but we are thin up front and from what I saw from him he is tough and athletic kid. I guarantee that Amir gets time as our "4" this season.
DJ played "4" because of who we had on the team. We don't have the same personel. I listed 4 guys I see as more likely to play 4. Do you put Amir ahead of any of them?
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Amir will not play down low. He'd play the 1 before he plays the 4. He'll be similar to DJ Kennedy.
Who just so happened to play the 4 for us last year. Amir played the four in highschool. Is he more suited to play on the wing yes, but we are thin up front and from what I saw from him he is tough and athletic kid. I guarantee that Amir gets time as our "4" this season.
DJ played "4" because of who we had on the team. We don't have the same personel. I listed 4 guys I see as more likely to play 4. Do you put Amir ahead of any of them?
well the first three are obvious. Im not sure about harkless, it might be a toss up. Harkless is taller and longer but I think garrett is more built, stronger, and more athletic (no slight to Mo). To be honest I see Garrett, Mo, and Pointer all seeing some time at the 4
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Amir will not play down low. He'd play the 1 before he plays the 4. He'll be similar to DJ Kennedy.
Who just so happened to play the 4 for us last year. Amir played the four in highschool. Is he more suited to play on the wing yes, but we are thin up front and from what I saw from him he is tough and athletic kid. I guarantee that Amir gets time as our "4" this season.
DJ played "4" because of who we had on the team. We don't have the same personel. I listed 4 guys I see as more likely to play 4. Do you put Amir ahead of any of them?
well the first three are obvious. Im not sure about harkless, it might be a toss up. Harkless is taller and longer but I think garrett is more built, stronger, and more athletic (no slight to Mo). To be honest I see Garrett, Mo, and Pointer all seeing some time at the 4
Funny you mention Pointer. I was thinking of writing I'd more like to see him at the "4" over Amir.
And the reason I'm writing "4" is because I don't think a true PF really exists anymore. Most of the these kids who are built like "4"'s see players hanging out on the wing as 3's. I expect to always see Pelle or Gift on the floor. At least one of them at all times. If by chance they aren't and Jakarr is then yes Amir or Dom might be "4"'s but the offense isn't going to be built on them with post up plays.
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Amir will not play down low. He'd play the 1 before he plays the 4. He'll be similar to DJ Kennedy.
Who just so happened to play the 4 for us last year. Amir played the four in highschool. Is he more suited to play on the wing yes, but we are thin up front and from what I saw from him he is tough and athletic kid. I guarantee that Amir gets time as our "4" this season.
DJ played "4" because of who we had on the team. We don't have the same personel. I listed 4 guys I see as more likely to play 4. Do you put Amir ahead of any of them?
well the first three are obvious. Im not sure about harkless, it might be a toss up. Harkless is taller and longer but I think garrett is more built, stronger, and more athletic (no slight to Mo). To be honest I see Garrett, Mo, and Pointer all seeing some time at the 4
Funny you mention Pointer. I was thinking of writing I'd more like to see him at the "4" over Amir.
And the reason I'm writing "4" is because I don't think a true PF really exists anymore. Most of the these kids who are built like "4"'s see players hanging out on the wing as 3's. I expect to always see Pelle or Gift on the floor. At least one of them at all times. If by chance they aren't and Jakarr is then yes Amir or Dom might be "4"'s but the offense isn't going to be built on them with post up plays.
We don't run typical 2-big sets anyway. We will run 3-4 wing types and an athletic C/PF type.
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And the reason I'm writing "4" is because I don't think a true PF really exists anymore. Most of the these kids who are built like "4"'s see players hanging out on the wing as 3's.
Well, you'll definately see one when UCLA shows up this season - They're sporting 6'8 240 Reeves Nelson and Both 6'10 235 Wear Twins at the 4 this season.....As I said in my earlier post, Steve will go with the matchups - against that lineup (including 6'10 300 Josh Smith, 6'10 240 Anthony Stover, 6'10 235 Brendan Lane at the 5), I wouldn't be surprised to see Norvel and GG on the court together (but again, this is Lavin - he might go small and just try to run their bigs ragged!)....
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Cr, we won't have UCLA's size, but God's gift and Norvel certainly more mobile. Sampson is nelson's height but not the same girth, but I'll say that Jakarr is by far quicker. SJU certainly could have trouble with Josh smith again. The Wear twins haven't shown me that they're more than some Plumlees just yet. They have talent though. I doubt we'll go that small vs ucla though. We certainly didn't tire smith out enough last year.
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Cr, we won't have UCLA's size, but God's gift and Norvel certainly more mobile. Sampson is nelson's height but not the same girth, but I'll say that Jakarr is by far quicker. SJU certainly could have trouble with Josh smith again. The Wear twins haven't shown me that they're more than some Plumlees just yet. They have talent though. I doubt we'll go that small vs ucla though. We certainly didn't tire smith out enough last year.
You do know that Mason Plumlee shot 59% from the field and pulled down 8.4 rebs per game as a soph last year, right? I'd certainly take anything close to that from either of the Soph-to-be twins.....No one on St. Johns averaged more than 5.6 boards. Looking at the archives on the "official page" - it appears there hasn't been anyone close to 8.4 in the last decade. Only once has someone averaged 7 (7.1) in that period....
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Amir will not play down low. He'd play the 1 before he plays the 4. He'll be similar to DJ Kennedy.
Who just so happened to play the 4 for us last year. Amir played the four in highschool. Is he more suited to play on the wing yes, but we are thin up front and from what I saw from him he is tough and athletic kid. I guarantee that Amir gets time as our "4" this season.
DJ played "4" because of who we had on the team. We don't have the same personel. I listed 4 guys I see as more likely to play 4. Do you put Amir ahead of any of them?
well the first three are obvious. Im not sure about harkless, it might be a toss up. Harkless is taller and longer but I think garrett is more built, stronger, and more athletic (no slight to Mo). To be honest I see Garrett, Mo, and Pointer all seeing some time at the 4
Funny you mention Pointer. I was thinking of writing I'd more like to see him at the "4" over Amir.
And the reason I'm writing "4" is because I don't think a true PF really exists anymore. Most of the these kids who are built like "4"'s see players hanging out on the wing as 3's. I expect to always see Pelle or Gift on the floor. At least one of them at all times. If by chance they aren't and Jakarr is then yes Amir or Dom might be "4"'s but the offense isn't going to be built on them with post up plays.
Well it looks like we are in complete agreement
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Amir will not play down low. He'd play the 1 before he plays the 4. He'll be similar to DJ Kennedy.
Who just so happened to play the 4 for us last year. Amir played the four in highschool. Is he more suited to play on the wing yes, but we are thin up front and from what I saw from him he is tough and athletic kid. I guarantee that Amir gets time as our "4" this season.
DJ played "4" because of who we had on the team. We don't have the same personel. I listed 4 guys I see as more likely to play 4. Do you put Amir ahead of any of them?
well the first three are obvious. Im not sure about harkless, it might be a toss up. Harkless is taller and longer but I think garrett is more built, stronger, and more athletic (no slight to Mo). To be honest I see Garrett, Mo, and Pointer all seeing some time at the 4
Mo is stronger than Amir
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This whole argument shows why Gathers was such a huge get for us.
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I disagree dave
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I disagree dave
Sorry man. Moe is jacked. I remember I saw him last summer than didn't see him till like February and he was significantly bigger. He really bulked up. There is one video on You Tube where you can see his post up moves and strength. I think it was from the Rumble in the Bronx.
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Mo definitely has gotten much bigger. As to has Garrett. It really is a question that could only be answered if we watched them in the weight room. But my opinion is that Garrett is stronger than Mo
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Mo definitely has gotten much bigger. As to has Garrett. It really is a question that could only be answered if we watched them in the weight room. But my opinion is that Garrett is stronger than Mo
It's not really about opinion type of question. Mo is a bit bigger and stronger player. Has height and muscle on Amir at this point. Mo has banged inside and can do so more than Garrett at this point. Garrett is a SG/SF type.
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Mo definitely has gotten much bigger. As to has Garrett. It really is a question that could only be answered if we watched them in the weight room. But my opinion is that Garrett is stronger than Mo
It's not really about opinion type of question. Mo is a bit bigger and stronger player. Has height and muscle on Amir at this point. Mo has banged inside and can do so more than Garrett at this point. Garrett is a SG/SF type.
well just have to see
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I disagree dave
It's really not an argument. Mo is a monster next to Amir. It's no slight to Amir but Mo is much bigger and stronger. You can disagree though.
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I disagree dave
It's really not an argument. Mo is a monster next to Amir. It's no slight to Amir but Mo is much bigger and stronger. You can disagree though.
LOL come on! Mo is a beanstalk...they both are! You're talking about him like he's some diesel weightlifter like Gathers. Whoever is stronger between the two doesn't really matter...they BOTH need to get a helluva'lot stronger over the next year.
I'm not sure I buy the fact that Amir is 212. DJ and JB2 were listed at just under 220. In any event, I'd think Amir would be slightly stronger based on their most recent photos, but the difference is negligible whatever direction it runs.
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I disagree dave
It's really not an argument. Mo is a monster next to Amir. It's no slight to Amir but Mo is much bigger and stronger. You can disagree though.
I predict that soon Mase is going to tell us that Lavin isn't white.
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Let's also not forget that Garrett throws a 96 MPH fastball and has a freakish vertical. The kid is clearly loaded with fast twitch fibers.
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I disagree dave
It's really not an argument. Mo is a monster next to Amir. It's no slight to Amir but Mo is much bigger and stronger. You can disagree though.
I predict that soon Mase is going to tell us that Lavin isn't white.
Alright MCN lets go over this. I posted two things. 1) Amir will play some minutes at the "4" for us. 2) Amir is stronger than moe.
Can you please tell me which one of these is so unfathomable?
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I disagree dave
It's really not an argument. Mo is a monster next to Amir. It's no slight to Amir but Mo is much bigger and stronger. You can disagree though.
I predict that soon Mase is going to tell us that Lavin isn't white.
Alright MCN lets go over this. I posted two things. 1) Amir will play some minutes at the "4" for us. 2) Amir is stronger than moe.
Can you please tell me which one of these is so unfathomable?
I agree with both actually.
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I disagree dave
It's really not an argument. Mo is a monster next to Amir. It's no slight to Amir but Mo is much bigger and stronger. You can disagree though.
LOL come on! Mo is a beanstalk...they both are! You're talking about him like he's some diesel weightlifter like Gathers. Whoever is stronger between the two doesn't really matter...they BOTH need to get a helluva'lot stronger over the next year.
I'm not sure I buy the fact that Amir is 212. DJ and JB2 were listed at just under 220. In any event, I'd think Amir would be slightly stronger based on their most recent photos, but the difference is negligible whatever direction it runs.
He's no beanstalk
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I disagree dave
It's really not an argument. Mo is a monster next to Amir. It's no slight to Amir but Mo is much bigger and stronger. You can disagree though.
I predict that soon Mase is going to tell us that Lavin isn't white.
Alright MCN lets go over this. I posted two things. 1) Amir will play some minutes at the "4" for us. 2) Amir is stronger than moe.
Can you please tell me which one of these is so unfathomable?
I'm going to e-mail Lavin and make sure that they arm wrestle to settle this!!!
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I disagree that Amir is anything but a wing at the college level. He is in no way a 4. He's a thin 6'5" SG/SF. Just like Cuse's Michael Carter Williams is not a PF, Amir is not either. I don't disagree that he might be on the court with 2 other wings, but Amir won't be posting up in the paint. He's simply not a PF. He's a perimeter guy that certainly can crash the glass, but not a PF. As far as strength, I can't compare and we'll never know. Harkless is a lot bigger guy, and has put on significant muscle. Harkless is a bigger kid who can bang in the post against bigger guys as well. Just a bigger and stronger kid. Neither is Gathers, but I don't think it's any question who is the stronger player at this point physically.
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I disagree that Amir is anything but a wing at the college level. He is in no way a 4. He's a thin 6'5" SG/SF. Just like Cuse's Michael Carter Williams is not a PF, Amir is not either. I don't disagree that he might be on the court with 2 other wings, but Amir won't be posting up in the paint. He's simply not a PF. He's a perimeter guy that certainly can crash the glass, but not a PF. As far as strength, I can't compare and we'll never know. Harkless is a lot bigger guy, and has put on significant muscle. Harkless is a bigger kid who can bang in the post against bigger guys as well. Just a bigger and stronger kid. Neither is Gathers, but I don't think it's any question who is the stronger player at this point physically.
+1
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Let's also not forget that Garrett throws a 96 MPH fastball and has a freakish vertical. The kid is clearly loaded with fast twitch fibers.
You should be banned for using 'fast twitch fibers' in a post :)
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There is a big difference between Amir playing the 4 in high school and playing the 4 in the BE.
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There is a big difference between Amir playing the 4 in high school and playing the 4 in the BE.
Uh, there's a big difference between ANY player playing ANY position in high school and playing it in the Big East.
This concept kind of mutated didn't it? The original thought was Amir could get minutes at the 4 - that's a lot different from someone saying Amir WILL BE a 4 in the Big East. It's going to be all about the matchups.
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There is a big difference between Amir playing the 4 in high school and playing the 4 in the BE.
Uh, there's a big difference between ANY player playing ANY position in high school and playing it in the Big East.
This concept kind of mutated didn't it? The original thought was Amir could get minutes at the 4 - that's a lot different from someone saying Amir WILL BE a 4 in the Big East. It's going to be all about the matchups.
Reread my post=I did say PLAYING i did not say WILL BE.
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There is a big difference between Amir playing the 4 in high school and playing the 4 in the BE.
Uh, there's a big difference between ANY player playing ANY position in high school and playing it in the Big East.
This concept kind of mutated didn't it? The original thought was Amir could get minutes at the 4 - that's a lot different from someone saying Amir WILL BE a 4 in the Big East. It's going to be all about the matchups.
Reread my post=I did say PLAYING i did not say WILL BE.
Celt - was commenting on the thread, not you in particular. MCNPA had a statemeent "I disagree that Amir is anything but a wing at the college level. He is in no way a 4. " and there were a couple of others going back a page or two. Just seemed we'd gone from speculating he might see minutes at the four to arguing if he WAS a four.
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There is a big difference between Amir playing the 4 in high school and playing the 4 in the BE.
Uh, there's a big difference between ANY player playing ANY position in high school and playing it in the Big East.
This concept kind of mutated didn't it? The original thought was Amir could get minutes at the 4 - that's a lot different from someone saying Amir WILL BE a 4 in the Big East. It's going to be all about the matchups.
Reread my post=I did say PLAYING i did not say WILL BE.
Celt - was commenting on the thread, not you in particular. MCNPA had a statemeent "I disagree that Amir is anything but a wing at the college level. He is in no way a 4. " and there were a couple of others going back a page or two. Just seemed we'd gone from speculating he might see minutes at the four to arguing if he WAS a four.
This is semantics. If people are talking about him getting minutes at the 4, it is assumed as a PF. If somebody says to me that at Vllanova one of their guards might see minutes at the 3 in a 3-guard set, well they're not really getting minutes at the 3. At that point they're playing a 3-guard set for matchup purposes. For al intents and purposes, saying he will "see time at the 4" is really not accurate. He might see time at the 3 in a 3-wing set. He won't see time at the 4 in the role of a typical power forward nor is he a 4 so it answers the question both ways.
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What about the comments that Amir is defensively oriented while Mo maybe not so much so? Even if we're playing mostly zone the guys up front are going to need to play more physically putting a body on somebody especially when boxing out and going for the bound.
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There is a big difference between Amir playing the 4 in high school and playing the 4 in the BE.
Uh, there's a big difference between ANY player playing ANY position in high school and playing it in the Big East.
This concept kind of mutated didn't it? The original thought was Amir could get minutes at the 4 - that's a lot different from someone saying Amir WILL BE a 4 in the Big East. It's going to be all about the matchups.
Reread my post=I did say PLAYING i did not say WILL BE.
Celt - was commenting on the thread, not you in particular. MCNPA had a statemeent "I disagree that Amir is anything but a wing at the college level. He is in no way a 4. " and there were a couple of others going back a page or two. Just seemed we'd gone from speculating he might see minutes at the four to arguing if he WAS a four.
This is semantics. If people are talking about him getting minutes at the 4, it is assumed as a PF. If somebody says to me that at Vllanova one of their guards might see minutes at the 3 in a 3-guard set, well they're not really getting minutes at the 3. At that point they're playing a 3-guard set for matchup purposes. For al intents and purposes, saying he will "see time at the 4" is really not accurate. He might see time at the 3 in a 3-wing set. He won't see time at the 4 in the role of a typical power forward nor is he a 4 so it answers the question both ways.
Sorry - happen to think semantics are important :) But I disagree that's what's being discussed here. I believe there are 5 positions on the court - some call it 1-5, others PG/SG/SF/PF/C. Each of those 5 has set responsibilities on offense and defense when they're on the court. Oh look, Steve Lavin has Baron Davis, and Earl Watson, and Moose Bailey on the Bench. Ben Howland has Jordan Farmar and Darren Collison and Ced Bozeman on the bench. Ones. PGS. every one of them. You can certainly label them all as such in the team photo, or call them that during pre game introductions. But, as often happened with each of those groups of 3, when all three were on the court TOGETHER, they were no longer all "ones" - they were ones and twos and threes - and in the case of the 6'5 205 lb Ced Bozeman - FOURs (when Howland went small with Farmar, Collison, Afflalo, Ced and Mbah a Moute). What they are sitting on the bench is immaterial. What they're playing during the game is a 1 or a 2 or a 3 or a 4 or a 5. Whether you think a guy is a "traditional" fit for the position doesn't matter. If he's playing the offensive or defensive responsibility for the 1 or the 2 or the 3 or the 4 or the 5 position, that's what he's playing. It's not semantics. It just what it IS.
I personally find Amir very similar physically to a former UCLA player named Dijon Thompson. A 2 and a 3 in college and NBA. Except of course that year he was the 1st team all Pac 10 Power Forward as a 6'7 195 lb senior. And as he led UCLA back to the NCAA tourney after back to back 10 and 11 win seasons, he wasn't doing it semantically...
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The battle over semantics or no semantics. That is the question! Who would have thought we would be discussing the #4 spot and Amir?
After reading the last few posts I thought Redmen.com was back in business. Sorry Dave!
I know two things about Amir, Mo and the rest of our recruits- They will get bigger physically over the next few years and they will get better BB-wise during that same time frame.
Back to Amir! Did he sign his baseball contract today or was it yesterday? That to me is the key question regarding Amir, at least for today.
As an enlarged elk once said on this website- I can not wait for the season to start!
Now back to the battle of semantics!
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I looked at one of the reds signing threads and it doesn't seem like he has signed yet. They seem to think he is signed but his contract is over slot so it needs to be approved by MLB. The deadline is midnight tonight.
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Garrett is a twig. I've seen him in person and stood right next to him. I'm 6'2, and maybe he was an inch taller than me. Unless I'm confused and im still growing, which would really be something else.
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Garrett is a twig. I've seen him in person and stood right next to him. I'm 6'2, and maybe he was an inch taller than me. Unless I'm confused and im still growing, which would really be something else.
if hes 6'3 than jakarr is 6'5 and pelle is 6'7
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Garrett is a twig. I've seen him in person and stood right next to him. I'm 6'2, and maybe he was an inch taller than me. Unless I'm confused and im still growing, which would really be something else.
if hes 6'3 than jakarr is 6'5 and pelle is 6'7
I'm 6'2 and Garrett is 6'5, Jakarr is definitely 6'7, and Pelle was a lot taller than Garrett from what I remember at Midnight Madness.
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Garrett is a twig. I've seen him in person and stood right next to him. I'm 6'2, and maybe he was an inch taller than me. Unless I'm confused and im still growing, which would really be something else.
if hes 6'3 than jakarr is 6'5 and pelle is 6'7
I'm 6'2 and Garrett is 6'5, Jakarr is definitely 6'7, and Pelle was a lot taller than Garrett from what I remember at Midnight Madness.
I don't recall them being at Midnight Madness. Wasn't it the exhibition game?
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Garrett is a twig. I've seen him in person and stood right next to him. I'm 6'2, and maybe he was an inch taller than me. Unless I'm confused and im still growing, which would really be something else.
if hes 6'3 than jakarr is 6'5 and pelle is 6'7
I'm 6'2 and Garrett is 6'5, Jakarr is definitely 6'7, and Pelle was a lot taller than Garrett from what I remember at Midnight Madness.
I don't recall them being at Midnight Madness. Wasn't it the exhibition game?
Yes, you're correct there. I've made that mistake a few times.
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Garrett and Pelle were at the exhibition game.
Garrett isn't 6'6, but if you combine his height with Pelle's
he'd be over 13 feet tall, and completely impossible to guard.
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I disagree that Amir is anything but a wing at the college level. He is in no way a 4. He's a thin 6'5" SG/SF. Just like Cuse's Michael Carter Williams is not a PF, Amir is not either. I don't disagree that he might be on the court with 2 other wings, but Amir won't be posting up in the paint. He's simply not a PF. He's a perimeter guy that certainly can crash the glass, but not a PF. As far as strength, I can't compare and we'll never know. Harkless is a lot bigger guy, and has put on significant muscle. Harkless is a bigger kid who can bang in the post against bigger guys as well. Just a bigger and stronger kid. Neither is Gathers, but I don't think it's any question who is the stronger player at this point physically.
I think a lot of our wings could see time at the four. I don't undestand why you have to distinguish PF or 4? Obviously, Garrett won't be backing down 6'10 giants, but his rebounding #'s have been outstanding even as a freshman on a varsity basketball team.
Polee was 20 pounds less than Amir and only an inch taller and he was our starting center! Lavin seems like a "best five on the floor" kind of guy.
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I disagree that Amir is anything but a wing at the college level. He is in no way a 4. He's a thin 6'5" SG/SF. Just like Cuse's Michael Carter Williams is not a PF, Amir is not either. I don't disagree that he might be on the court with 2 other wings, but Amir won't be posting up in the paint. He's simply not a PF. He's a perimeter guy that certainly can crash the glass, but not a PF. As far as strength, I can't compare and we'll never know. Harkless is a lot bigger guy, and has put on significant muscle. Harkless is a bigger kid who can bang in the post against bigger guys as well. Just a bigger and stronger kid. Neither is Gathers, but I don't think it's any question who is the stronger player at this point physically.
I think a lot of our wings could see time at the four. I don't undestand why you have to distinguish PF or 4? Obviously, Garrett won't be backing down 6'10 giants, but his rebounding #'s have been outstanding even as a freshman on a varsity basketball team.
Polee was 20 pounds less than Amir and only an inch taller and he was our starting center! Lavin seems like a "best five on the floor" kind of guy.
Where did you find Amir's freshman year rebounding #'s?
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I disagree that Amir is anything but a wing at the college level. He is in no way a 4. He's a thin 6'5" SG/SF. Just like Cuse's Michael Carter Williams is not a PF, Amir is not either. I don't disagree that he might be on the court with 2 other wings, but Amir won't be posting up in the paint. He's simply not a PF. He's a perimeter guy that certainly can crash the glass, but not a PF. As far as strength, I can't compare and we'll never know. Harkless is a lot bigger guy, and has put on significant muscle. Harkless is a bigger kid who can bang in the post against bigger guys as well. Just a bigger and stronger kid. Neither is Gathers, but I don't think it's any question who is the stronger player at this point physically.
I think a lot of our wings could see time at the four. I don't undestand why you have to distinguish PF or 4? Obviously, Garrett won't be backing down 6'10 giants, but his rebounding #'s have been outstanding even as a freshman on a varsity basketball team.
Polee was 20 pounds less than Amir and only an inch taller and he was our starting center! Lavin seems like a "best five on the floor" kind of guy.
Where did you find Amir's freshman year rebounding #'s?
Maxpreps.com If my memory serves me correctly, he averaged 7.8 boards a game as a frosh.
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I disagree that Amir is anything but a wing at the college level. He is in no way a 4. He's a thin 6'5" SG/SF. Just like Cuse's Michael Carter Williams is not a PF, Amir is not either. I don't disagree that he might be on the court with 2 other wings, but Amir won't be posting up in the paint. He's simply not a PF. He's a perimeter guy that certainly can crash the glass, but not a PF. As far as strength, I can't compare and we'll never know. Harkless is a lot bigger guy, and has put on significant muscle. Harkless is a bigger kid who can bang in the post against bigger guys as well. Just a bigger and stronger kid. Neither is Gathers, but I don't think it's any question who is the stronger player at this point physically.
I think a lot of our wings could see time at the four. I don't undestand why you have to distinguish PF or 4? Obviously, Garrett won't be backing down 6'10 giants, but his rebounding #'s have been outstanding even as a freshman on a varsity basketball team.
Polee was 20 pounds less than Amir and only an inch taller and he was our starting center! Lavin seems like a "best five on the floor" kind of guy.
Where did you find Amir's freshman year rebounding #'s?
Maxpreps.com If my memory serves me correctly, he averaged 7.8 boards a game as a frosh.
Can you find the link? I was just on his page on Maxpreps and couldnt find anything. I've also found Maxpreps to not exactly be the most reliable. But it really depends on how diligent the school itself is in reporting its stats and results.
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I disagree that Amir is anything but a wing at the college level. He is in no way a 4. He's a thin 6'5" SG/SF. Just like Cuse's Michael Carter Williams is not a PF, Amir is not either. I don't disagree that he might be on the court with 2 other wings, but Amir won't be posting up in the paint. He's simply not a PF. He's a perimeter guy that certainly can crash the glass, but not a PF. As far as strength, I can't compare and we'll never know. Harkless is a lot bigger guy, and has put on significant muscle. Harkless is a bigger kid who can bang in the post against bigger guys as well. Just a bigger and stronger kid. Neither is Gathers, but I don't think it's any question who is the stronger player at this point physically.
I think a lot of our wings could see time at the four. I don't undestand why you have to distinguish PF or 4? Obviously, Garrett won't be backing down 6'10 giants, but his rebounding #'s have been outstanding even as a freshman on a varsity basketball team.
Polee was 20 pounds less than Amir and only an inch taller and he was our starting center! Lavin seems like a "best five on the floor" kind of guy.
Where did you find Amir's freshman year rebounding #'s?
Maxpreps.com If my memory serves me correctly, he averaged 7.8 boards a game as a frosh.
Can you find the link? I was just on his page on Maxpreps and couldnt find anything. I've also found Maxpreps to not exactly be the most reliable. But it really depends on how diligent the school itself is in reporting its stats and results.
Oh wow, he averaged 8.8 rebounds and 1.4 blocks per game. Not bad for a freshman playing with juniors in seniors in a relatively competive league (includes Shabazz Muhammed this year).
http://www.maxpreps.com/athletes/X6nD6COTRkuV4uVA8op69g/basketball-winter-07-08/profile-amir-garrett.htm (http://www.maxpreps.com/athletes/X6nD6COTRkuV4uVA8op69g/basketball-winter-07-08/profile-amir-garrett.htm)
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Love the 10 guys we're running with this year. Amir, pointer and Jakarr do it all. Those type of guys are invaluable. All rebound, block shots, defend and score.
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Amir signed with the Cincinnatti Reds tonight. He will play for the Reds and bball at SJU.
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Apparently he signed for a million dollars, good for him. Hope he does well in both sports, kid has a lot of options now.
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any word on when he would have to report?
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Apparently he signed for a million dollars, good for him. Hope he does well in both sports, kid has a lot of options now.
Wow, a millionaire freshmen on board. Congrats to him and his family. Methinks he'll be taking the team out for a few post-win dinners. Great to see our guys doing well.
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Amir, Norvel, Jakarr, and Nurideen have yet to be cleared yet academically. There also might be a reinvestigation of Maurice Harkless by the NCAA. But we will find out about all of them soon.
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Amir, Norvel, Jakarr, and Nurideen have yet to be cleared yet academically. There also might be a reinvestigation of Maurice Harkless by the NCAA. But we will find out about all of them soon.
Hopefully we get clearance on them soon and without a hitch. A reinvestigation of Mo would be disturbing and overboard considering the light penalties given to constantly cheating programs like Uconn, Ohio state and others. Unbelievable that they might keep goingn with this for a kid who played 2 games when hicks was helping with the team.
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But luckily he is still playing basketball for us...
http://twitter.com/#!/Amir_Garrett/status/103307714318438400 (http://twitter.com/#!/Amir_Garrett/status/103307714318438400)
I'm blessed to be able to be apart of the #Reds baseball organization and still be able to play basketball at St. Johns. #God is Great
http://twitter.com/#!/jimcallisBA/status/103311471789879297 (http://twitter.com/#!/jimcallisBA/status/103311471789879297)
#reds gave St. John's basketballer/22nd-rd LHP Amir Garrett $1 million spread over five years, two-sport deal. #mlbdraft
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Amir, Norvel, Jakarr, and Nurideen have yet to be cleared yet academically. There also might be a reinvestigation of Maurice Harkless by the NCAA. But we will find out about all of them soon.
Hopefully we get clearance on them soon and without a hitch. A reinvestigation of Mo would be disturbing and overboard considering the light penalties given to constantly cheating programs like Uconn, Ohio state and others. Unbelievable that they might keep goingn with this for a kid who played 2 games when hicks was helping with the team.
Nurideen is on campus, and jakarr and Norvel have both twittered they are done. I hope your kidding about the reinvestigation of Mo. Either way, congrats to Amir. Hard work pays off.
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But luckily he is still playing basketball for us...
http://twitter.com/#!/Amir_Garrett/status/103307714318438400 (http://twitter.com/#!/Amir_Garrett/status/103307714318438400)
I'm blessed to be able to be apart of the #Reds baseball organization and still be able to play basketball at St. Johns. #God is Great
http://twitter.com/#!/jimcallisBA/status/103311471789879297 (http://twitter.com/#!/jimcallisBA/status/103311471789879297)
#reds gave St. John's basketballer/22nd-rd LHP Amir Garrett $1 million spread over five years, two-sport deal. #mlbdraft
Looks like he'll be paying for some dinners for the team!
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Amir, Norvel, Jakarr, and Nurideen have yet to be cleared yet academically. There also might be a reinvestigation of Maurice Harkless by the NCAA. But we will find out about all of them soon.
Hopefully we get clearance on them soon and without a hitch. A reinvestigation of Mo would be disturbing and overboard considering the light penalties given to constantly cheating programs like Uconn, Ohio state and others. Unbelievable that they might keep goingn with this for a kid who played 2 games when hicks was helping with the team.
Nurideen is on campus, and jakarr and Norvel have both twittered they are done. I hope your kidding about the reinvestigation of Mo. Either way, congrats to Amir. Hard work pays off.
Mo Harkless is not going to be reinvestigated. This idiot has come on here with his prophecies and he has no connections.
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My bad for taking the bait. Either way I'm happy for Amir and even happier that he's going to be playing with us next year.
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We won't be concerned if we see a new Hummer parked outside Taffner!
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Marillac why is it that you always seem to have something negative to say about everyones posts. You have yet to provide any useful posts yourself. May I ask where you get your info from besides the internet like most on here?! Stop being such a miserable old F@&! and post something useful for once. I have connections with people in SJU which as I have said before, I can't elaborate but I'd be more than glad to keep the info for myself and MCNPA since he seems to appreciate it ;) Just cause a player is on campus or tweeted he's all good to go doesn't mean he has been cleared by the NCAA remember that. And next time read carefully what I post Marillac, I said that the NCAA MIGHT! reinvestigate Maurice. It hasn't been determined yet.
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It would have been sweet if the Reds payed for his college too so we could have had a scholarship freed up. I know a guy the Mets signed did that because he is playing football at Texas Tech.
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Wow, a $1 million dollars, or does it count as $200K a year. I think the Yankee #1 draft pick, D.B Jr., only got $1 million. If that is correct then Amir made out okay.
I see that the Reds #1 pick, who just signed as well, is also a HS pitcher. Should be interesting to see where both are assigned. I think the minor league season only runs for another month. Is there time for Amir to pitch a game or two before school begins?
Now the hard part begins, balancing baseball, basketball and school.
Great news, Amir!!!
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Wow, a $1 million dollars, or does it count as $200K a year. I think the Yankee #1 draft pick, D.B Jr., only got $1 million. If that is correct then Amir made out okay.
I see that the Reds #1 pick, who just signed as well, is also a HS pitcher. Should be interesting to see where both are assigned. I think the minor league season only runs for another month. Is there time for Amir to pitch a game or two before school begins?
Now the hard part begins, balancing baseball, basketball and school.
Great news, Amir!!!
I'm not sure how it will pan out. A friend of mine was drafted by the Royals in the first round but tried to play football at Maryland and it just didn't work out for him. Too bad...he had a better career ahead of him running the ball than he ended up having in baseball.
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Marillac why is it that you always seem to have something negative to say about everyones posts. You have yet to provide any useful posts yourself. May I ask where you get your info from besides the internet like most on here?! Stop being such a miserable old F@&! and post something useful for once. I have connections with people in SJU which as I have said before, I can't elaborate but I'd be more than glad to keep the info for myself and MCNPA since he seems to appreciate it ;) Just cause a player is on campus or tweeted he's all good to go doesn't mean he has been cleared by the NCAA remember that. And next time read carefully what I post Marillac, I said that the NCAA MIGHT! reinvestigate Maurice. It hasn't been determined yet.
People are going to be skeptical about people who say they have inside sources or connections until they prove it with good useful information to back it up. I'm not saying you are wrong or don't have some type of connection but until you provide some inside info people have the right to question it. SJU 79 always has the best info and even still some people question him, it just happens.
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As some of you may remember I was the one who posted that Maurice Harkless was cleared by the NCAA a day before he tweeted it on his twitter and Zagsblog posted it. Despite Marillac's shit talking and denials then :idiot2: LoL. I rarely post and and when I do, I can only post certain info pertaining to the SJU basketball team of which I am privileged with the knowledge and if the news hasn't already been posted or time is willing. The reason I posted the info on the players aforementioned was to clarify that they are not all cleared just yet. It does not mean that they won't but just to give you guys some hindsight on whats really going on. I as all of you true SJU fans would like to see everyone cleared and eligible to play for us. But despite all the posts of what postitions these kids are gonna play and what numbers they are gonna have, keep in mind that some of them might not even be cleared to play. Just keep your fingers crossed and I will post as each are given the green light.
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I think people here, including myself, have been wrapped up in Kyle Anderson and dreaming of success. The reality is, we still have several hurdles to clear as we put this team together. All this Maurice stuff and eligibility issues are making me uneasy.
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I'm not sure how well money and college basketball will mix. You certainly will be the odd man out when you're always flush and have a few 100K stashed away in the bank. Part of the camaraderie of college life is wondering if there's enough coins among you to order a few pizzas.
I hope Amir has the discipline and common sense to keep his money at a safe distance. I also hope that the coaches will give him some considered advice on the subject.
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Wow, a $1 million dollars, or does it count as $200K a year. I think the Yankee #1 draft pick, D.B Jr., only got $1 million. If that is correct then Amir made out okay.
I see that the Reds #1 pick, who just signed as well, is also a HS pitcher. Should be interesting to see where both are assigned. I think the minor league season only runs for another month. Is there time for Amir to pitch a game or two before school begins?
Now the hard part begins, balancing baseball, basketball and school.
Great news, Amir!!!
Its split over 5 or 6 years I read.
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My bad for taking the bait. Either way I'm happy for Amir and even happier that he's going to be playing with us next year.
Haven't been able to find much coverage of the Amir/Reds signing. Apparently it's a $1,000,000 signing bonus, but the bonus is spread over 5 years as part of the two-sport agreement. So I'm assuming there's also actual salary under the contract that's not being reported as yet...
Wonder how that bonus works? $200 K each year he reports to the minors after the hoop season and School are over (I'm assuming to remain eligible for basketball, Amir can't report to the minors till schools out) for 5 seasons? Also wonder if there's a clause that pays the full amount if he leaves school?
The same report said the Reds #1 pick was given a $2,000,000 signging bonus, but as he's going straight to the minors, his is all $2Mil upfront.
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Amir, Norvel, Jakarr, and Nurideen have yet to be cleared yet academically. There also might be a reinvestigation of Maurice Harkless by the NCAA. But we will find out about all of them soon.
Hopefully we get clearance on them soon and without a hitch. A reinvestigation of Mo would be disturbing and overboard considering the light penalties given to constantly cheating programs like Uconn, Ohio state and others. Unbelievable that they might keep goingn with this for a kid who played 2 games when hicks was helping with the team.
Nurideen is on campus, and jakarr and Norvel have both twittered they are done. I hope your kidding about the reinvestigation of Mo. Either way, congrats to Amir. Hard work pays off.
Mo Harkless is not going to be reinvestigated. This idiot has come on here with his prophecies and he has no connections.
Actually, he broke the news about Harkless being cleared before anybody, including Mo on twitter. It is certainly plausible that Amir, Jakarr and Pelle are still waiting for clearance on classes from Rise. Lindsey I have no idea about either way.
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Should this thread be merged with the Amir thread on the recruiting board?
Anyway - the reports are a $1 mil signing bonus spread over 5 seasons as part of the 2-sport agreement. No word on the actual salary terms of the contract.
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Amir, Norvel, Jakarr, and Nurideen have yet to be cleared yet academically. There also might be a reinvestigation of Maurice Harkless by the NCAA. But we will find out about all of them soon.
Hopefully we get clearance on them soon and without a hitch. A reinvestigation of Mo would be disturbing and overboard considering the light penalties given to constantly cheating programs like Uconn, Ohio state and others. Unbelievable that they might keep goingn with this for a kid who played 2 games when hicks was helping with the team.
Nurideen is on campus, and jakarr and Norvel have both twittered they are done. I hope your kidding about the reinvestigation of Mo. Either way, congrats to Amir. Hard work pays off.
Mo Harkless is not going to be reinvestigated. This idiot has come on here with his prophecies and he has no connections.
Actually, he broke the news about Harkless being cleared before anybody, including Mo on twitter. It is certainly plausible that Amir, Jakarr and Pelle are still waiting for clearance on classes from Rise. Lindsey I have no idea about either way.
Their classs just ended...of course they are still awaiting clearance! The Mo Harkless thing was broke after Mo hinted at it on Twitter the DAY BEFORE. And his other contribution was that kids we saw a week earlier in photos from their Discover New York class at STJ, were on campus. Posters have been coming and going for years with a few posts trying to break news and then disappearing if it doesn't come true and probably picking up a new handle. I don't trust it.
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With Amir signing does that open up another scholarship since he is a pro in one sport and can not get a scholarhip in another?
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With Amir signing does that open up another scholarship since he is a pro in one sport and can not get a scholarhip in another?
He can get a scholarship in another sport, just not the sport he signed professionally.
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Don't sweat the being cleared yet stuff. St. John's has a great academic support team that works on this stuff around the clock. They know everything that needs to be done and will make sure it is done.
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Amir signed with the Cincinnatti Reds tonight. He will play for the Reds and bball at SJU.
Probably assign him to one of the rookie leagues which play short season; i.e. Brooklyn Cyclones type league. would not expect him to pitch this year as too little time left and the danger of over extending and hurting the left arm. Short season 2012 would be great with school finishing early May; he could report for "spring training" until season starts in late June. It would give him a chance to develop arm strength without over extending. season would end by Labor day plus a week for playoffs. He would miss first two weeks of school. The Reds could do the same for 2013. After the 2013/14 season, Amir and the Reds could make an evaluated decision as to which sport offers the best opportunity for professional success. If it is Baseball, he could "drop out" after the basketball season and start his full time commitment to baseball.
I am selfish as I would have liked to see him as a 2 sport star at St. John's.
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Amir signed with the Cincinnatti Reds tonight. He will play for the Reds and bball at SJU.
Probably assign him to one of the rookie leagues which play short season; i.e. Brooklyn Cyclones type league. would not expect him to pitch this year as too little time left and the danger of over extending and hurting the left arm. Short season 2012 would be great with school finishing early May; he could report for "spring training" until season starts in late June. It would give him a chance to develop arm strength without over extending. season would end by Labor day plus a week for playoffs. He would miss first two weeks of school. The Reds could do the same for 2013. After the 2013/14 season, Amir and the Reds could make an evaluated decision as to which sport offers the best opportunity for professional success. If it is Baseball, he could "drop out" after the basketball season and start his full time commitment to baseball.
I am selfish as I would have liked to see him as a 2 sport star at St. John's.
My guess is he plays rookie and then A short season for two years. The games start in June and end in August. Maybe then he'll be ready to jump to Dayton for the A ballclub (very nice stadium) and perhaps even A advanced or AA after that. They'll probably have a coach come around regularly to work with him at the St. John's ballpark and I bet he gets trained extensively in April.
I don't see any reason to rush him along. He's raw.
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Ladies & gentlemen, we have a new topic to add to Marillac's ever growing list of things he is an expert on:
1. All aspects of college basketball - from program management to recruiting to in game strategy and off season conditioning
2. Monroe - Woodbury High School football
3. Investing in all markets
4. Horse Racing - especially in the State of Kentucky
5. All levels of academic study
6. Every sport in which St. John's fields a team
7. Banging WNBA players
8 and now professional baseball player development.
This poster is anxiously awaiting the next topic on which he will share his extensive knowledge.!!
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There are one million and one reasons why St. John's signee Amir Garrett should have woken up today with a big smile on his face.
An ESPNU top-100 recruits in the 2011 class, Garrett agreed to terms last night on a contract with the Cincinnati Reds that includes a $1 million signing bonus over five years, according to Baseball America.
http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/34117/reds-give-amir-garrett-a-1-million-bonus (http://espn.go.com/blog/collegebasketballnation/post/_/id/34117/reds-give-amir-garrett-a-1-million-bonus)
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Ladies & gentlemen, we have a new topic to add to Marillac's ever growing list of things he is an expert on:
1. All aspects of college basketball - from program management to recruiting to in game strategy and off season conditioning
2. Monroe - Woodbury High School football
3. Investing in all markets
4. Horse Racing - especially in the State of Kentucky
5. All levels of academic study
6. Every sport in which St. John's fields a team
7. Banging WNBA players
8 and now professional baseball player development.
This poster is anxiously awaiting the next topic on which he will share his extensive knowledge.!!
Investments all markets - what does he think about MITK I hold a large position?
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Ladies & gentlemen, we have a new topic to add to Marillac's ever growing list of things he is an expert on:
1. All aspects of college basketball - from program management to recruiting to in game strategy and off season conditioning
2. Monroe - Woodbury High School football
3. Investing in all markets
4. Horse Racing - especially in the State of Kentucky
5. All levels of academic study
6. Every sport in which St. John's fields a team
7. Banging WNBA players
8 and now professional baseball player development.
This poster is anxiously awaiting the next topic on which he will share his extensive knowledge.!!
LOL Don't know anything about baseball development, but they tend to keep pitchers down for a while from what I noticed. Then again, I'm a Mets fan and they don't exactly have the best farm system. Still waiting on FMart to come through and save the franchise.
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BTW Cincy fans are more excited about Garrett than their first rounder from what I've read on the fansite.
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05 is right in that the NCAA Eligibility Center has not cleared those 4.
The better question is how confident does the staff feel about them being cleared.
Told they are confident. SJU has excellent compliance staff.
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http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110816&content_id=23270976&vkey=news_cin&c_id=cin (http://cincinnati.reds.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110816&content_id=23270976&vkey=news_cin&c_id=cin)
lso signed by the Reds was their 22nd-round Draft pick, left-handed pitcher Amir Garrett -- giving him a $1 million bonus.
The signing originally seemed somewhat of a long shot since Garrett was already headed to St. John's University on a basketball scholarship as a highly coveted hoops prospect. His contract allows him to play both sports.
"We're pretty excited because he's an All-American basketball player who is going to a great school at St. John's," Buckley said. "He's a talented athlete, but he hasn't put the time into baseball like Robert has. But we think he can also be an outstanding pitcher."
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AdamZagoria All incoming #stjbb players are expected to qualify academically, a source close to the program told SNY.tv
Hopefully he's right on this one.
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AdamZagoria All incoming #stjbb players are expected to qualify academically, a source close to the program told SNY.tv
Hopefully he's right on this one.
He just makes his articles based off our posts lol.
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AdamZagoria All incoming #stjbb players are expected to qualify academically, a source close to the program told SNY.tv
Hopefully he's right on this one.
He just makes his articles based off our posts lol.
He actually quotes Fratto as his source.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/08/16/st-johns-expecting-all-newcomers-to-be-eligible/#more-56174 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2011/08/16/st-johns-expecting-all-newcomers-to-be-eligible/#more-56174)
Key word Mark Fratto uses is "HOPEFUL". Lets just keep our fingers crossed.
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Following the 2011–12 season – which, provided St. John's makes it to the postseason, will not end until March – Garrett will probably be assigned to either extended spring training or short season Class A (since spring training begins in the middle of conference play). Per Reds spokesman Larry Herms, if the Reds choose the extended spring training route, he'll likely end up in Goodyear, Arizona, where the ball club has a warm-climate facility, and he would compete against rehabbing players and other rookies.
http://nymag.com/daily/sports/2011/08/garrett-still-intends-to-play-for-st-john-s.html (http://nymag.com/daily/sports/2011/08/garrett-still-intends-to-play-for-st-john-s.html)
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Following the 2011–12 season – which, provided St. John's makes it to the postseason, will not end until March – Garrett will probably be assigned to either extended spring training or short season Class A (since spring training begins in the middle of conference play). Per Reds spokesman Larry Herms, if the Reds choose the extended spring training route, he'll likely end up in Goodyear, Arizona, where the ball club has a warm-climate facility, and he would compete against rehabbing players and other rookies.
http://nymag.com/daily/sports/2011/08/garrett-still-intends-to-play-for-st-john-s.html (http://nymag.com/daily/sports/2011/08/garrett-still-intends-to-play-for-st-john-s.html)
Um what about classes?
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He will most likely play next summer in Goodyear with the Arizona rookie level team that is short season and do the same the following year with a higher level rookie club. He really would not be far behind other prospects because you know he will stay in shape with basketball. I would suspect he will have to do some throwing on the STJ campus to prepare for the summer. He will play between June-Aug which is more that the Mets will get from Brad Marquez who has to be back on campus all of August for football.
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Does that make any sense to anyone? If his schooling is being paid for by the Reds, why in the world would he still count towards the 13 scholies? Or does it mean the Reds are simply paying everything not covered by the scholie? That hardly seems like its even writing into a contract with the supposed value of Amirs....
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Does that make any sense to anyone? If his schooling is being paid for by the Reds, why in the world would he still count towards the 13 scholies? Or does it mean the Reds are simply paying everything not covered by the scholie? That hardly seems like its even writing into a contract with the supposed value of Amirs....
It's an NCAA rule..
An individual who receives educational expenses from a professional sports organization as a part of an employment contract does not jeopardize intercollegiate eligibility in all sports, inasmuch as such educational expenses are considered to be employment compensation as opposed to financial aid from an impermissible outside source. [References: NCAA Bylaws 15.01.3 (financial aid not administered by institution); 15.2.5.4.2 (eligibility effects of improper aid from outside organization) and 15.3.1.4 (institutional financial aid to a professional athlete)].
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Does that make any sense to anyone? If his schooling is being paid for by the Reds, why in the world would he still count towards the 13 scholies? Or does it mean the Reds are simply paying everything not covered by the scholie? That hardly seems like its even writing into a contract with the supposed value of Amirs....
It's an NCAA rule..
An individual who receives educational expenses from a professional sports organization as a part of an employment contract does not jeopardize intercollegiate eligibility in all sports, inasmuch as such educational expenses are considered to be employment compensation as opposed to financial aid from an impermissible outside source. [References: NCAA Bylaws 15.01.3 (financial aid not administered by institution); 15.2.5.4.2 (eligibility effects of improper aid from outside organization) and 15.3.1.4 (institutional financial aid to a professional athlete)].
Got all that - it's okay by the NCAA for the Baseball Reds to pay for his school, and it doesn't affect his eligiblity for any NCAA sport except Baseball. But what I'm trying to figure is, if the Reds are paying for his school tab, why is he considered one of our 13 scholarships - is his tab being paid TWICE (once by the reds, once by the scholarship)? Why isn't he a walkon, with the ride that would be used for him freed up since he he no longer has need of it? School hasn't started yet, so it's not like the he's started using the ride and it has to continue for the year.
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I don't get it either CR. Several of Louisville's scholarship players returning from last year are walkons this year. Louisville did it to accommodate more players on the roster. If Amir's scholarship is paid by the Reds, I don't see how it counts as one of our 13 either.
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Well let me see how many professional teams are located in SEC territory. Now the Basketball and Baseball team could sign the football player and soon the conference would be back to team with 120 student(?) football players per school. Do you think that Texas and Texas A&M would be left out.
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I think a similar situation happened with CJ Henry (xaviers brother) at Kansas. He was drafted by the Yankees and they paid for his schooling but he was considered a walk on on the basketball team if i remember correctly
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I think a similar situation happened with CJ Henry (xaviers brother) at Kansas. He was drafted by the Yankees and they paid for his schooling but he was considered a walk on on the basketball team if i remember correctly
Henry was a little different because he played baseball and the Yankees were willing to pay after his baseball career. When he quit after 3-4 yrs he went to play college ball. Also not sure but maybe because Amir originally signed and LOI it might change things. Where when Henry was picking a school he didn't need to because he already had the $ from the Yankees and knew he could walk on.
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Could Garrett already have been guaranteed a scholarship from us for this year, and maybe the following years be a walk-on?
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I'm not sure whether or not St. John's is required to count him against the ships. But there are benefits of being on scholarship like eating meals with the team. We have ships available for this year so why not use it. Perhaps if we have someone ready to commit next year Garrett could waive those benefits.
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I have a feeling the Reds will be pushing him to make baseball his No. 1 priority well before he's scheduled to graduate, so I'm not expecting to see him after his sophomore year.
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I think a similar situation happened with CJ Henry (xaviers brother) at Kansas. He was drafted by the Yankees and they paid for his schooling but he was considered a walk on on the basketball team if i remember correctly
That was also the case a few years ago at Duke - Trajan Langdon played off season minor league ball with his schooling paid for under the baseball contract. Coach K had an extra scholie for 4 years....
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I have a feeling the Reds will be pushing him to make baseball his No. 1 priority well before he's scheduled to graduate, so I'm not expecting to see him after his sophomore year.
And yet the signing bonus is paid over 5 seasons....a decent little annual incentive to RETURN to St. Johns each year.
Methinks this will have less to do with what baseball "wants", and more with how he progresses on the hardwood and the mound over the next few years...
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Amir take the roughly 200k and make sure you put away at least 75k a year in the bank. You can still live large with the other money but make sure you save
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Amir take the roughly 200k and make sure you put away at least 75k a year in the bank. You can still live large with the other money but make sure you save
Great advice. Amir, don't blow all your money on cocaine, hookers, and midget porn like I did.
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Amir take the roughly 200k and make sure you put away at least 75k a year in the bank. You can still live large with the other money but make sure you save
Great advice. Amir, don't blow all your money on cocaine, hookers, and midget porn like I did.
Yeah, the midget porn is just gratuitous...
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Does that make any sense to anyone? If his schooling is being paid for by the Reds, why in the world would he still count towards the 13 scholies? Or does it mean the Reds are simply paying everything not covered by the scholie? That hardly seems like its even writing into a contract with the supposed value of Amirs....
Actually, it makes perfect sense as it prevents schools / boosters from using not so organized pro teams (independent / semi-pro leagues) to circumvent the # of scholarship rules.
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Does that make any sense to anyone? If his schooling is being paid for by the Reds, why in the world would he still count towards the 13 scholies? Or does it mean the Reds are simply paying everything not covered by the scholie? That hardly seems like its even writing into a contract with the supposed value of Amirs....
Actually, it makes perfect sense as it prevents schools / boosters from using not so organized pro teams (independent / semi-pro leagues) to circumvent the # of scholarship rules.
Independent and semi pro teams? They can barely make their own payroll as is.
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I have a feeling the Reds will be pushing him to make baseball his No. 1 priority well before he's scheduled to graduate, so I'm not expecting to see him after his sophomore year.
And yet the signing bonus is paid over 5 seasons....a decent little annual incentive to RETURN to St. Johns each year.
Methinks this will have less to do with what baseball "wants", and more with how he progresses on the hardwood and the mound over the next few years...
I dont know how spreading the Bonus over 5 years gives him incentive to return to SJU ?
If anything its for tax & cash flow reasons, & enticing him to not give up minor league ball.
Also if Amir decides to give up Baseball for Hoops, Reds save the unpaid years possibly ?
Either way, I agree his progress in each sport will prob determine his path in 2 years.
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This is off topic, but does anyone know why some teams like Duke and Georgetown are allowed to play overseas right now with their coaches present? I though you had to wait for October when regular practices can be held? I wish St. John's would've gone to China like Duke did because these kids can use all the time they can get on and off the court together to gel.
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This is off topic, but does anyone know why some teams like Duke and Georgetown are allowed to play overseas right now with their coaches present? I though you had to wait for October when regular practices can be held? I wish St. John's would've gone to China like Duke did because these kids can use all the time they can get on and off the court together to gel.
For a kick, look at the thread i put up of Georgetown vs china... :knuppel2:
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This is off topic, but does anyone know why some teams like Duke and Georgetown are allowed to play overseas right now with their coaches present? I though you had to wait for October when regular practices can be held? I wish St. John's would've gone to China like Duke did because these kids can use all the time they can get on and off the court together to gel.
I think .... teams are allowed to travel preseason out of the country, like once every 4 years or so. StJ was supposed to go somewhere south of the border a few years back, but there was a storm, and the trip was cancelled, although the team did get a limited number of practices out of it.
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It looks like the Hoyas are getting more sparring practice rather than basketball practice.
http://www.ballinisahabit.net/2011/08/georgetown-brawls-in-china.html (http://www.ballinisahabit.net/2011/08/georgetown-brawls-in-china.html)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/photos-of-georgetown-brawl-in-china/2011/08/18/gIQApHsVNJ_blog.html. (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/dc-sports-bog/post/photos-of-georgetown-brawl-in-china/2011/08/18/gIQApHsVNJ_blog.html.)
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Our Cancun trip Labor Day weekend 3 years ago (Sept 2008) was cancelled
If I remember 10 practices with coaches were allowed- BUT FROSH were not allowed to practice till classes started.
One international trip every 4 years means they can go in 2012
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Our Cancun trip Labor Day weekend 3 years ago (Sept 2008) was cancelled
If I remember 10 practices with coaches were allowed- BUT FROSH were not allowed to practice till classes started.
One international trip every 4 years means they can go in 2012
So the Duke freshman can't play in China?
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Our Cancun trip Labor Day weekend 3 years ago (Sept 2008) was cancelled
If I remember 10 practices with coaches were allowed- BUT FROSH were not allowed to practice till classes started.
One international trip every 4 years means they can go in 2012
So the Duke freshman can't play in China?
I could've sworn that Austin Rivers was playing today.
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Like Duke has to follow the same rules as everybody else ::)
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He never said they couldn't play, just that they couldn't practice. Rivers is good enough to just go out there and play without practice.
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He never said they couldn't play, just that they couldn't practice. Rivers is good enough to just go out there and play without practice.
That seems pretty dumb, that you can't practice with the team but you can play an organized game with them, but I guess that's what you should expect from the idiots that run the NCAA.
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1. KofK, remember St Johns playing in Canada over labor day last year? Same thing. LIke someone said 1 international pre season trip every four years.
2. Rule was changed this year with regard to incoming freshmen. I believe if they are in summer school they are now allowed to practice play in these exercises before fall classes start.
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our freshmen did play in canada (omari and stith)
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Does that make any sense to anyone? If his schooling is being paid for by the Reds, why in the world would he still count towards the 13 scholies? Or does it mean the Reds are simply paying everything not covered by the scholie? That hardly seems like its even writing into a contract with the supposed value of Amirs....
Actually, it makes perfect sense as it prevents schools / boosters from using not so organized pro teams (independent / semi-pro leagues) to circumvent the # of scholarship rules.
Independent and semi pro teams? They can barely make their own payroll as is.
And no booster with dough could associate himself with such a team in order to stockpile talent at their chosen school? Far fetched to you maybe, but at one time so was giving mortgages to people who couldn't afford them. Or the creation of faux high schools for the purpose of creating powerhouse basketball teams. Anyway, as I understand it that is the reason for the rule, take it for what it's worth.
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Does that make any sense to anyone? If his schooling is being paid for by the Reds, why in the world would he still count towards the 13 scholies? Or does it mean the Reds are simply paying everything not covered by the scholie? That hardly seems like its even writing into a contract with the supposed value of Amirs....
Actually, it makes perfect sense as it prevents schools / boosters from using not so organized pro teams (independent / semi-pro leagues) to circumvent the # of scholarship rules.
Independent and semi pro teams? They can barely make their own payroll as is.
And no booster with dough could associate himself with such a team in order to stockpile talent at their chosen school? Far fetched to you maybe, but at one time so was giving mortgages to people who couldn't afford them. Or the creation of faux high schools for the purpose of creating powerhouse basketball teams. Anyway, as I understand it that is the reason for the rule, take it for what it's worth.
Do you know the exact reason for the rule? I'm trying to find out but unsuccessful so far.
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our freshmen did play in canada (omari and stith)
Yes they did but they missed the first 7 or so of the 10 practices waiting for classes to start. Once classes started they got in a few practices and traveled with the team and played. The new rule makes more sense. The old rule made coaches wait and had players missing the first week of school due to the frosh rule. Now they can get it all over and done with before classes start.
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Moose--I believe the NCAA has a rule regarding "benefits" available to scholarship athletes. I remember there was an article surrounding Phil Missere being given an athletic scholarship in senior year even though he was already on scholarship as his father was a professor. The story said that as a walk on he was not entitled to certain benefits that were no available to all non athletic scholarship students. it specifically mentioned he was not allowed a pre game meal for free with the team among other things as this meal is not available to all students.
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Moose--I believe the NCAA has a rule regarding "benefits" available to scholarship athletes. I remember there was an article surrounding Phil Missere being given an athletic scholarship in senior year even though he was already on scholarship as his father was a professor. The story said that as a walk on he was not entitled to certain benefits that were no available to all non athletic scholarship students. it specifically mentioned he was not allowed a pre game meal for free with the team among other things as this meal is not available to all students.
I remember that rule. I would hope that wasn't the reason why. Amir can afford a very nice pre game meal with 200k a year on top of a free education courtesy of the Reds.
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The NCAA rule states that any recruited student athlete counts as being on scholarship for the 13 scholarship limit whether they receive a scholarship or not. Once the staff spends money to recruit a player to a school they're a scholarship player forever and for all time. That's technically how the rule is written.
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The NCAA rule states that any recruited student athlete counts as being on scholarship for the 13 scholarship limit whether they receive a scholarship or not. Once the staff spends money to recruit a player to a school they're a scholarship player forever and for all time. That's technically how the rule is written.
How can that be proven. If a coach flew to X city to see a player he could argue that he actually went to watch another player not the one who committed.
The only way I can see this rule stand up is to count anyone who ever visited officially.
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The NCAA rule states that any recruited student athlete counts as being on scholarship for the 13 scholarship limit whether they receive a scholarship or not. Once the staff spends money to recruit a player to a school they're a scholarship player forever and for all time. That's technically how the rule is written.
I thought scholarships were actually year-to-year, and it was practically a cardinal rule for some coaches to honor it for four years. Not mandatory. Maybe, in this scenario since he was offered and signed a scholarship, then was drafted professionally, this particular rule applies. Who knows!?!
By the way, how come you didn't acknowledge Meyer's article and Zags' tweet, but posted Telep's arbitrary response (probably, was you who asked him the question), hoyahooligan? ;)
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How exactly is Rick Pitino getting guys like Kuric and others to "walk on" now?
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How exactly is Rick Pitino getting guys like Kuric and others to "walk on" now?
Schollies are year-to-year, and those guys, I guess, can afford tuition. It is a state school; I know Elisha Justice is in state, Mark Jackson's son (!) is Mark Jackson's son so he can afford it, and Chris Smith is JR Smith's brother (or cousin? I forget), so that NBA money covers tuition.
I think it's a little sneaky, but hey. NCAA rules are made to be snuck around.
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The NCAA rule states that any recruited student athlete counts as being on scholarship for the 13 scholarship limit whether they receive a scholarship or not. Once the staff spends money to recruit a player to a school they're a scholarship player forever and for all time. That's technically how the rule is written.
I thought scholarships were actually year-to-year, and it was practically a cardinal rule for some coaches to honor it for four years. Not mandatory. Maybe, in this scenario since he was offered and signed a scholarship, then was drafted professionally, this particular rule applies. Who knows!?!
By the way, how come you didn't acknowledge Meyer's article and Zags' tweet, but posted Telep's arbitrary response (probably, was you who asked him the question), hoyahooligan? ;)
Scholarhips are renewable on a year-to-year basis. HoyaHooligan is correct, however, with his statement. If a coach chooses to not keep a player on scholarship that he spent money recruiting, he can't just have that player "walk on." That player would have to leave the team (but could remain at the school). However, a coach can give a walk on that he didn't spend money recruiting a ride for a year and take it away without forcing the player to leave the team.
I have my doubts about Kuric, but Mark Jackson's son is clearly a walk on that comes from a loaded father. There is no way Pitino spent a cent recruting him.
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St. John’s Sampson Decommits; Garrett to Bridgton
By Adam Zagoria on September 20, 2011, 10:09PM
There is a lot of movement with St. John’s once heralded recruiting class.
JaKarr Sampson, a 6-foot-8 forward, has decommitted and will re-open his recruitment.
“Yes,” said Brewster (N.H.) Academy coach Jason Smith.
Sampson was one of three St. John’s signees declared academically ineligible by the NCAA. He then opted to return to Brewster for a postgraduate year.
Meantime, Amir Garrett, another member of that trio, is now at Bridgton (Maine) Academy.
Garrett joins a team that features 2012 St. John’s commit Darrick Wood and former Hofstra commit Malik Nichols.
Bridgton coach Whit Lesure said the plan was to try to get Garrett eligible for the second semester in December.
“I would say that that’s the plan,” he told SNY.tv. ‘I know our college counselor was with him today and visited with me quickly.
“To be honest, that’s more St. John’s business than mine. That’s Amir’s business.”
Norvel Pelle, a 6-10 center, is the third member of the trio, and his status remains in limbo.
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amir garrett
Don't listen to any rumors, I'm still strongly committed to St johns!!! And I still plan on going for second half of the season!!!
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Although it would be great for him to build some chemistry with Wood this year, I thought they couldn't play basketball if they go back to prep school. Is this how it is or are they allowed to play while in prep school?
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Once again, I love Amir Garrett and his commitment to this program. It speaks volumes about his character. I want to see him on the court for SJU badly. Gotta love his enthusiasm and genuine love for this program that we all share. Wish the other two were as emphatic, but sometimes these things have a way of working themselves out.
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Although it would be great for him to build some chemistry with Wood this year, I thought they couldn't play basketball if they go back to prep school. Is this how it is or are they allowed to play while in prep school?
Amir can't play and even if he could I wouldn't want him too. He needs to focus on the books and get eligible.
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Although it would be great for him to build some chemistry with Wood this year, I thought they couldn't play basketball if they go back to prep school. Is this how it is or are they allowed to play while in prep school?
Amir can't play and even if he could I wouldn't want him too. He needs to focus on the books and get eligible.
Can he practice with the team to stay sharp?
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Although it would be great for him to build some chemistry with Wood this year, I thought they couldn't play basketball if they go back to prep school. Is this how it is or are they allowed to play while in prep school?
Amir can't play and even if he could I wouldn't want him too. He needs to focus on the books and get eligible.
Can he practice with the team to stay sharp?
I wouldn't see why not.
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Although it would be great for him to build some chemistry with Wood this year, I thought they couldn't play basketball if they go back to prep school. Is this how it is or are they allowed to play while in prep school?
Amir can't play and even if he could I wouldn't want him too. He needs to focus on the books and get eligible.
Can he practice with the team to stay sharp?
I wouldn't see why not.
Maybe he should just study instead
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Amir can play. Why wouldn't he be able to play?
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Amir can play. Why wouldn't he be able to play?
Don't believe you can. Plus the quotes from their coach don't seem like he's part of the mix.
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Amir can play. Why wouldn't he be able to play?
Don't believe you can. Plus the quotes from their coach don't seem like he's part of the mix.
Whats stopping him from saying the hell with this and off to play baseball?
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Amir can play. Why wouldn't he be able to play?
Don't believe you can. Plus the quotes from their coach don't seem like he's part of the mix.
Whats stopping him from saying the hell with this and off to play baseball?
Pretty obviously he wants to play basketball.
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I don't think he should be allowed to play, and really, he shouldn't be spending any time trying to.
If he doesnt so much as look at a basketball for several months, it would be a great example of lesson well learned.
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Amir can play. Why wouldn't he be able to play?
Don't believe you can. Plus the quotes from their coach don't seem like he's part of the mix.
Whats stopping him from saying the hell with this and off to play baseball?
Pretty obviously he wants to play basketball.
Not to beat a dead horse, but maybe he should have thought of that earlier. Go to class, do the work and graduate, its not that hard
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Amir can play. Why wouldn't he be able to play?
Don't believe you can. Plus the quotes from their coach don't seem like he's part of the mix.
Whats stopping him from saying the hell with this and off to play baseball?
Pretty obviously he wants to play basketball.
Not to beat a dead horse, but maybe he should have thought of that earlier. Go to class, do the work and graduate, its not that hard
You should do a better job picking your words. He graduated. Just as the others did. They just didn't meet the NCAA Clearinghouse standards.
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Amir can play. Why wouldn't he be able to play?
Don't believe you can. Plus the quotes from their coach don't seem like he's part of the mix.
Whats stopping him from saying the hell with this and off to play baseball?
Pretty obviously he wants to play basketball.
Not to beat a dead horse, but maybe he should have thought of that earlier. Go to class, do the work and graduate, its not that hard
You should do a better job picking your words. He graduated. Just as the others did. They just didn't meet the NCAA Clearinghouse standards.
Graduated from where? Taking what kind of dopey classes? Lesson learned trying to find an easy way out
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Amir can play. Why wouldn't he be able to play?
Don't believe you can. Plus the quotes from their coach don't seem like he's part of the mix.
Whats stopping him from saying the hell with this and off to play baseball?
Pretty obviously he wants to play basketball.
Not to beat a dead horse, but maybe he should have thought of that earlier. Go to class, do the work and graduate, its not that hard
You should do a better job picking your words. He graduated. Just as the others did. They just didn't meet the NCAA Clearinghouse standards.
Graduated from where? Taking what kind of dopey classes? Lesson learned trying to find an easy way out
You are aware that you can graduate from HS and still not be eligible to play NCAA sports. Someone referenced someone who graduated somewhere and was accepted to Harvard but didn't pass Clearinghouse standards.
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Baldi reveling in misfortune once again. Anything positive to say about the future of the program?
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Amir can play. Why wouldn't he be able to play?
Don't believe you can. Plus the quotes from their coach don't seem like he's part of the mix.
Whats stopping him from saying the hell with this and off to play baseball?
Pretty obviously he wants to play basketball.
Not to beat a dead horse, but maybe he should have thought of that earlier. Go to class, do the work and graduate, its not that hard
You should do a better job picking your words. He graduated. Just as the others did. They just didn't meet the NCAA Clearinghouse standards.
Graduated from where? Taking what kind of dopey classes? Lesson learned trying to find an easy way out
You are aware that you can graduate from HS and still not be eligible to play NCAA sports. Someone referenced someone who graduated somewhere and was accepted to Harvard but didn't pass Clearinghouse standards.
Was accepted to Harvard as a student? or to plya basketball?
Maybe he should have stayed at Leuzinger High instead of going to a basketball factory?
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Baldi reveling in misfortune once again. Anything positive to say about the future of the program?
Amazing to see isn't it. A moderator to boot. Even throwing out possibility of violations.
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Amir can play. Why wouldn't he be able to play?
Don't believe you can. Plus the quotes from their coach don't seem like he's part of the mix.
Whats stopping him from saying the hell with this and off to play baseball?
Pretty obviously he wants to play basketball.
Not to beat a dead horse, but maybe he should have thought of that earlier. Go to class, do the work and graduate, its not that hard
You should do a better job picking your words. He graduated. Just as the others did. They just didn't meet the NCAA Clearinghouse standards.
Graduated from where? Taking what kind of dopey classes? Lesson learned trying to find an easy way out
You are aware that you can graduate from HS and still not be eligible to play NCAA sports. Someone referenced someone who graduated somewhere and was accepted to Harvard but didn't pass Clearinghouse standards.
Was accepted to Harvard as a student? or to plya basketball?
Maybe he should have stayed at Leuzinger High instead of going to a basketball factory?
Funny you have all this to say when your beloved Gaels best player was also ineligible out of HS and bounced around before landing on North Ave.
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Amir can play. Why wouldn't he be able to play?
Don't believe you can. Plus the quotes from their coach don't seem like he's part of the mix.
Whats stopping him from saying the hell with this and off to play baseball?
Pretty obviously he wants to play basketball.
Not to beat a dead horse, but maybe he should have thought of that earlier. Go to class, do the work and graduate, its not that hard
You should do a better job picking your words. He graduated. Just as the others did. They just didn't meet the NCAA Clearinghouse standards.
Graduated from where? Taking what kind of dopey classes? Lesson learned trying to find an easy way out
Mr.B, your being a little rough here. Buy the time some of these kids get to H.S. they're 4 years behind. Then they hit their third H.S. and some adult has the nerve to bring up the fact that about a years work has been completed. The state of Mizzou. has had to decertify an entire school district because the job was not getting done. For thousands of young people in this country graduating H.S. is very difficult. You might be right about kids taking the easy way out, but it's not always that simple.
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Baldi reveling in misfortune once again. Anything positive to say about the future of the program?
Amazing to see isn't it. A moderator to boot. Even throwing out possibility of violations.
What does a moderator have to do with anything I posted? Fact is St Johns has 8 players because of questionable recruits by the staff and you guys are looking the other way or sticking your heads in the sand. Im not going to kiss a kids ass because he's 6'7 and can throw a ball in a basket. Thats part of the problem
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Baldi reveling in misfortune once again. Anything positive to say about the future of the program?
Amazing to see isn't it. A moderator to boot. Even throwing out possibility of violations.
What does a moderator have to do with anything I posted? Fact is St Johns has 8 players because of questionable recruits by the staff and you guys are looking the other way or sticking your heads in the sand. Im not going to kiss a kids ass because he's 6'7 and can throw a ball in a basket. Thats part of the problem
Sounds good Baldi!
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Amir can play. Why wouldn't he be able to play?
Don't believe you can. Plus the quotes from their coach don't seem like he's part of the mix.
Whats stopping him from saying the hell with this and off to play baseball?
Pretty obviously he wants to play basketball.
Not to beat a dead horse, but maybe he should have thought of that earlier. Go to class, do the work and graduate, its not that hard
You should do a better job picking your words. He graduated. Just as the others did. They just didn't meet the NCAA Clearinghouse standards.
Graduated from where? Taking what kind of dopey classes? Lesson learned trying to find an easy way out
You are aware that you can graduate from HS and still not be eligible to play NCAA sports. Someone referenced someone who graduated somewhere and was accepted to Harvard but didn't pass Clearinghouse standards.
Was accepted to Harvard as a student? or to plya basketball?
Maybe he should have stayed at Leuzinger High instead of going to a basketball factory?
Funny you have all this to say when your beloved Gaels best player was also ineligible out of HS and bounced around before landing on North Ave.
Perfect example of lesson learned.
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et tu, brute.....gosh how does such one like him become a moderator
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I think some people get hung up on mod titles. Baldi monitors the "off topic" section. Moderators really don't do too much here, more just eyes and ears for me when I'm not around.
As for Baldi, I think he's off base with his opinions but that's exactly what it is...his opinion. Everyone is entitled to call him out for it and/or disagree. That's what forums are for
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I think some people get hung up on mod titles. Baldi monitors the "off topic" section. Moderators really don't do too much here, more just eyes and ears for me when I'm not around.
As for Baldi, I think he's off base with his opinions but that's exactly what it is...his opinion. Everyone is entitled to call him out for it and/or disagree. That's what forums are for
I've been subject to the 'moderator' argument in the past so excuse me if I feel the need to dish it some more. Opinions are fine. But facts and common sense are nicer.
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It's a shame that Baldi is basically the only thing wrong with JJ...He always stirs up shit when it's unnecessary and tries to incite St. John's fans...The fact that he's a moderator here, regardless of whatever he moderates, just makes JJ look bad...He's always knocking St. John's and there are plenty of prospective players and families reading his crap so he's indirectly hurting St. John's...And this is supposed to be a St. John's fan forum??? What a joke
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So Baldi is crazy because he suggested that SJ could be in some kind of trouble because 3 high school basketball players "studied" this summer at something called The Rise Academy, and despite receiving straight A's, none are eligible to play this fall.
Yea, it sucks, but how is Baldi wrong for thinking that this couldn't hurt us down the road? Is he wrong because he made you sad, or because he struck a chord?
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So Baldi is crazy because he suggested that SJ could be in some kind of trouble because 3 high school basketball players "studied" this summer at something called The Rise Academy, and despite receiving straight A's, none are eligible to play this fall.
Yea, it sucks, but how is Baldi wrong for thinking that this couldn't hurt us down the road? Is he wrong because he made you sad, or because he struck a chord?
Ya everytime reality hits some posters in the face, the usual comeback is "hes a moderator?" Or "Baldi is not a fan of St Johns"
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So Baldi is crazy because he suggested that SJ could be in some kind of trouble because 3 high school basketball players "studied" this summer at something called The Rise Academy, and despite receiving straight A's, none are eligible to play this fall.
Yea, it sucks, but how is Baldi wrong for thinking that this couldn't hurt us down the road? Is he wrong because he made you sad, or because he struck a chord?
Ya everytime reality hits some posters in the face, the usual comeback is "hes a moderator?" Or "Baldi is not a fan of St Johns"
Saying the hoops team will be placed on probation within a couple of seasons isn't a smack of reality, Baldi. C'mon, dude!
Normally, I have no issues with you, but many times your posts are of the pot stirring variety. I, usually laugh it off or ignore it, altogether. Dave claims he likes for people to discuss their beliefs, opinions and whatnot. That's all fine and dandy.... Some posts can rub people the wrong way and then you anarchy.
There is a difference between posting sarcasm and posting things when you know it's done with the intentions of stirring the pot, and in some cases, ticking off people. Dave doesn't like back-and-forth rifts, but you're possibly opening up your forum to that kinda behavior when you allow for very, negative and hypothetical-like comments on a St. John's fan board.
I've stated many times that most board members here are pretty, even keeled. Baldi would be taken behind the woodshed on the blue-bood hoops teams (and, probably other boards, as well) fan boards.
Just my opinion.
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So Baldi is crazy because he suggested that SJ could be in some kind of trouble because 3 high school basketball players "studied" this summer at something called The Rise Academy, and despite receiving straight A's, none are eligible to play this fall.
Yea, it sucks, but how is Baldi wrong for thinking that this couldn't hurt us down the road? Is he wrong because he made you sad, or because he struck a chord?
Ya everytime reality hits some posters in the face, the usual comeback is "hes a moderator?" Or "Baldi is not a fan of St Johns"
There's absolutely no reality nor any 1+1=2 connection between three kids not making the grade and a school getting in trouble for possible violations. That's just troll talk. The balance is your opinion which isn't that far off base but that comment was inane and irresponsible.
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Garrett is doing everything to get back here in December and I saw he wrote on Moe's facebook today that he would be joining him in December. I wish the other two kids had the attitude that Garrett does.
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I just have a great feeling that Amir is going to be a super leader on this team over the next few years. I can see alot of lavor postell in him
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I have a lot of confidence in him ; I would like to see Pelle vocalize how he wants to come here like Garritt does, even if its for 2012.
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Amir Garrett
New York for Is8 tomorrow, i want all my St. Johns fans to come support!!
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Amir Garrett
New York for Is8 tomorrow, i want all my St. Johns fans to come support!!
Love this kid and his moxie.
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Dam now i wish he played for the mets, could use guys with heart. Go Amir light em up at is8!!!
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Most important is Mr. Garrett qualifying for December start. We need him this season.
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I'd like to see a tweet that reads "studying all weekend. Man I miss basketball, but I've learned that studying means focusing on my classes in my free time, and not playing any basketball until I'm qualified to play D1 ball"
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I'd like to see a tweet that reads "studying all weekend. Man I miss basketball, but I've learned that studying means focusing on my classes in my free time, and not playing any basketball until I'm qualified to play D1 ball"
Keep beating the dead horse
Lock himself in his room and not leave till December, right?
You sure must know a lot about his studies.
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I'd like to see a tweet that reads "studying all weekend. Man I miss basketball, but I've learned that studying means focusing on my classes in my free time, and not playing any basketball until I'm qualified to play D1 ball"
Amir,
We don't all feel like this guy. Kill it at IS8 and see you in December!!! Love this kid.
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I would think he is too old to play @ IS8...
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I'd like to see a tweet that reads "studying all weekend. Man I miss basketball, but I've learned that studying means focusing on my classes in my free time, and not playing any basketball until I'm qualified to play D1 ball"
Amir,
We don't all feel like this guy. Kill it at IS8 and see you in December!!! Love this kid.
No doubt, we all want to see him playing top notch ball at Is8. Nothing wrong with pulling for the kid off the court so we can actually see him in a SJU uniform. Crazy as it might be, adding Amir this mid-season and we could have a really solid group even though we're still several guys short. Amir coming on board THIS season would really help his development entering next year.
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I would think he is too old to play @ IS8...
Is 18 or 19 too old toplay there? Don't think so.
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any chance we can get amir, pelle, and sampson on campus for midnight madness? we are recruiting them... would be nice for them to reconnect with teammates.
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any chance we can get amir, pelle, and sampson on campus for midnight madness? we are recruiting them... would be nice for them to reconnect with teammates.
No because Poison wants them to never leave the library :)
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If it was your kid, and he was supposed to graduate in May, and then failed to graduate after summer school, would you make some changes, or leave everything status quo?
Which approach do you feel will get the results that Amir needs, that St.John's needs and that the NCAA needs to see?
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If it was your kid, and he was supposed to graduate in May, and then failed to graduate after summer school, would you make some changes, or leave everything status quo?
Which approach do you feel will get the results that Amir needs, that St.John's needs and that the NCAA needs to see?
Your making your assertions with a broad brushstroke when meanwhile none of us are privy to specifics. And again your failing to accept that these kids graduated high school. Kids can graduate high school and be accepted to Harvard to play sports but still for some zany reason not be cleared by NCAA clearinghouse. But you have your opinion and there is no changing that, so carry on! :)
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If it was your kid, and he was supposed to graduate in May, and then failed to graduate after summer school, would you make some changes, or leave everything status quo?
Which approach do you feel will get the results that Amir needs, that St.John's needs and that the NCAA needs to see?
Poison-He did graduate. This is not about graduation.
And anyone who followed Amir's recruitment and especially after he was drafted should know how much he LOVES Lavin and SJU. The fact he is doing everything to play at SJU even after he got a fat contract with the Reds should be prime evidence of this assertion.
I am not an apologist for these guys, I am disappointed they allowed themselves to be put in a position where they needed summer school to qualify. But trust me Garrett wants to be at SJU and this IS8 trip is not going to be an issue with regards to that.
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Getting Amir qualified would mean a lot. Not only are we small, but we are thin on the bench as well, which means we really can't even go crazy pressing and running unless the coach really trusts the LIU transfer to give 10 mpg. Garrett would be able to play undersized pf ala Polee and a trio of Garrett, Pointer, and Harkless up front could mitigate the damage playing without a center would bring. the added depth and another strong defender would really change things out there as well.
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Trust me I want Amir eligible in Dec and we really need him but he alone is not going to make the difference in wins vs top 10 BE teams and Duke and Ucla. Would also need Pelle and maybe even Jakarr to have a chance to beat the really good teams. We need some height and depth very badly and don't think we will get it from even an army of walk-ons.
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I love his work ethic and enthusiasm I also love the fact that it is clear he wants to go to SJU, not even a rumor of another school. I believe he will be here in Dec. His presence provides another talented foward which will give us some much needed breathing room.
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Trust me I want Amir eligible in Dec and we really need him but he alone is not going to make the difference in wins vs top 10 BE teams and Duke and Ucla. Would also need Pelle and maybe even Jakarr to have a chance to beat the really good teams. We need some height and depth very badly and don't think we will get it from even an army of walk-ons.
That is a pretty negative attitude. I thought we'd be around .500 this year and a top 10 contender next, before all of this. We have some damn talented guards. I couldn't disagree with you more that the addition of Garrett doesn't give is a chance to beat top 10 conference foes. Every extra Big East caliber athlete we add from the six on the roster is HUGE.
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Getting Amir qualified would mean a lot. Not only are we small, but we are thin on the bench as well, which means we really can't even go crazy pressing and running unless the coach really trusts the LIU transfer to give 10 mpg. Garrett would be able to play undersized pf ala Polee and a trio of Garrett, Pointer, and Harkless up front could mitigate the damage playing without a center would bring. the added depth and another strong defender would really change things out there as well.
I may be wrong but I think Amir played in the post most of the time at Findley prep. The big east features much bigger players but he may have the instincts already to maybe steal a few minutes to give GG and Harkless some rest. That is of course if he can get here in December
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Getting Amir qualified would mean a lot. Not only are we small, but we are thin on the bench as well, which means we really can't even go crazy pressing and running unless the coach really trusts the LIU transfer to give 10 mpg. Garrett would be able to play undersized pf ala Polee and a trio of Garrett, Pointer, and Harkless up front could mitigate the damage playing without a center would bring. the added depth and another strong defender would really change things out there as well.
I may be wrong but I think Amir played in the post most of the time at Findley prep. The big east features much bigger players but he may have the instincts already to maybe steal a few minutes to give GG and Harkless some rest. That is of course if he can get here in December
He was indeed the starting PF for Findlay.
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Trust me I want Amir eligible in Dec and we really need him but he alone is not going to make the difference in wins vs top 10 BE teams and Duke and Ucla. Would also need Pelle and maybe even Jakarr to have a chance to beat the really good teams. We need some height and depth very badly and don't think we will get it from even an army of walk-ons.
That is a pretty negative attitude. I thought we'd be around .500 this year and a top 10 contender next, before all of this. We have some damn talented guards. I couldn't disagree with you more that the addition of Garrett doesn't give is a chance to beat top 10 conference foes. Every extra Big East caliber athlete we add from the six on the roster is HUGE.
It's not a negative attitude it is my opinion. We need some bigs and muscle to compete with the elite teams we play. There is a big difference between Findley Prep (HS ball) and the best teams in D1-for those of you thinking Amir can play PF against this level of comp and against much bigger and brawnier players well in my OPINION you are deluding yourselves.
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He doesnt have to play PF. His presence allows GG, Pointer and Harkless to play the 4,5 positions.
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Jesus, Harkless is not a 4. Neither is Pointer.
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Jesus, Harkless is not a 4. Neither is Pointer.
UCLA fan here. Neither was Ed O'Bannon. That worked out okay for Asst. Coach Lav's.....Before Ed, it was Tracy Murray. That worked out okay too. Later, Steve played Toby Bailey, Jaron Rush, Dijon Thompson, Jason Kapono and Matt Barnes at PF....
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Jesus, Harkless is not a 4. Neither is Pointer.
UCLA fan here. Neither was Ed O'Bannon. That worked out okay for Asst. Coach Lav's.....Before Ed, it was Tracy Murray. That worked out okay too. Later, Steve played Toby Bailey, Jaron Rush, Dijon Thompson, Jason Kapono and Matt Barnes at PF....
My opinion has always been you play your best playes regardless of position. A center who is no good is less of a factor than a small forward who can play.
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Jesus, Harkless is not a 4. Neither is Pointer.
Harkless has played the 4 before and can. He's a big forward with skills. He can be a dynamic 4-man and will have to be this season.
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so how did he play last night?
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Jesus, Harkless is not a 4. Neither is Pointer.
UCLA fan here. Neither was Ed O'Bannon. That worked out okay for Asst. Coach Lav's.....Before Ed, it was Tracy Murray. That worked out okay too. Later, Steve played Toby Bailey, Jaron Rush, Dijon Thompson, Jason Kapono and Matt Barnes at PF....
I agree with you as I watched those teams here in LA, only difference between STJ and UCLA during those years is that UCLA had a full arsenal of those players and we are a bit shorthanded right now.
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Jesus, Harkless is not a 4. Neither is Pointer.
And Randy Foye was? How a out 6'6 Lazar Hayward of Marquette--a blatant sf. What a out 6'6 190 Polee and 6'7 218 Jb2 as our starting front court last year. If we play 6'6 6'5/6'6 and 6'8 together for ten minutes a game while GG rests, it isn't the end of the world. Both Greene and Harrison rebound exceptionally well for their positions which will be huge in a zone.
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Jesus, Harkless is not a 4. Neither is Pointer.
And Randy Foye was? How a out 6'6 Lazar Hayward of Marquette--a blatant sf. What a out 6'6 190 Polee and 6'7 218 Jb2 as our starting front court last year. If we play 6'6 6'5/6'6 and 6'8 together for ten minutes a game while GG rests, it isn't the end of the world. Both Greene and Harrison rebound exceptionally well for their positions which will be huge in a zone.
This year is basically a throw away as far as wins and losses. The youngsters will gain valuable experience playing tons of minutes all season long against top ranked competition. Lets not get overly worried about who's playing what position. Hopefully GG can stay on the court and bang. He's a big dude. Harkless and Pointer will average 5 rpg hopefully, each.
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I know not to read much into their tweets But Amir comitted & confident to be here in Dec.
Amir yesterday:
"All my St. Johns fans I'm letting y'all know I'll be ready come December, I'm focused, don't worry I'll be there!!!"
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These guys are all going to have to be NBA talents just to compete this year.
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These guys are all going to have to be NBA talents just to compete this year.
No, they just have to be very good college players. For crying out loud, if you think this team is going to have SEVEN NBA talents in the lineup next year, you should be predicting National Champions, not "Just competing".....
Question for SJU historians. Have you ever had a Roster with SEVEN future NBA players?
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These guys are all going to have to be NBA talents just to compete this year.
No, they just have to be very good college players. For crying out loud, if you think this team is going to have SEVEN NBA talents in the lineup next year, you should be predicting National Champions, not "Just competing".....
Question for SJU historians. Have you ever had a Roster with SEVEN future NBA players?
'85, but not all them played.
Chris Mullin - 1st round '85
Bill Wennington - 1st round '85
Walter Berry - 1st round '86
Ron Rowan- 3rd round '86
Mark Jackson - 1st round '87
Willie Glass - 3rd round '87
Shelton Jones - 2nd round '88
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That team also had 3 all americans, Mullin 85 Wooden award, Berry 86 I believe also Wooden award, and Jackson 87.
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Jesus, Harkless is not a 4. Neither is Pointer.
And Randy Foye was? How a out 6'6 Lazar Hayward of Marquette--a blatant sf. What a out 6'6 190 Polee and 6'7 218 Jb2 as our starting front court last year. If we play 6'6 6'5/6'6 and 6'8 together for ten minutes a game while GG rests, it isn't the end of the world. Both Greene and Harrison rebound exceptionally well for their positions which will be huge in a zone.
Still there is the factor of lack of depth my dear boy DEPTH!
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so how did he play last night?
Who woke you up? Why don't you tell us? Oh that's right you are isolated out on the east end never to be seen or heard from again. What a pal!
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Jesus, Harkless is not a 4. Neither is Pointer.
And Randy Foye was? How a out 6'6 Lazar Hayward of Marquette--a blatant sf. What a out 6'6 190 Polee and 6'7 218 Jb2 as our starting front court last year. If we play 6'6 6'5/6'6 and 6'8 together for ten minutes a game while GG rests, it isn't the end of the world. Both Greene and Harrison rebound exceptionally well for their positions which will be huge in a zone.
Still there is the factor of lack of depth my dear boy DEPTH!
FWIW, John Wooden won half of his 10 titles with 7 man rotations... :)
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Jesus, Harkless is not a 4. Neither is Pointer.
And Randy Foye was? How a out 6'6 Lazar Hayward of Marquette--a blatant sf. What a out 6'6 190 Polee and 6'7 218 Jb2 as our starting front court last year. If we play 6'6 6'5/6'6 and 6'8 together for ten minutes a game while GG rests, it isn't the end of the world. Both Greene and Harrison rebound exceptionally well for their positions which will be huge in a zone.
Still there is the factor of lack of depth my dear boy DEPTH!
FWIW, John Wooden won half of his 10 titles with 7 man rotations... :)
The best 7 man rotation money can buy
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Jesus, Harkless is not a 4. Neither is Pointer.
And Randy Foye was? How a out 6'6 Lazar Hayward of Marquette--a blatant sf. What a out 6'6 190 Polee and 6'7 218 Jb2 as our starting front court last year. If we play 6'6 6'5/6'6 and 6'8 together for ten minutes a game while GG rests, it isn't the end of the world. Both Greene and Harrison rebound exceptionally well for their positions which will be huge in a zone.
Still there is the factor of lack of depth my dear boy DEPTH!
FWIW, John Wooden won half of his 10 titles with 7 man rotations... :)
The best 7 man rotation money can buy
If that's a Sam Gilbert refernce, Wooden had won 3 NCAA titles in 4 years before Sam came on the scene....You lost Lew to Ralph Bunche and Rafer Johnson, not Sam Gilbert
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Well the tourney was less rounds, so... ;)
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Well the tourney was less rounds, so... ;)
so...no early round Colonial Conference teams to pad your record against? :)
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Carneseca also rarely substituted, he liked going with his starters. Our team this year is not deep and young but they do have talent.
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Jesus, Harkless is not a 4. Neither is Pointer.
And Randy Foye was? How a out 6'6 Lazar Hayward of Marquette--a blatant sf. What a out 6'6 190 Polee and 6'7 218 Jb2 as our starting front court last year. If we play 6'6 6'5/6'6 and 6'8 together for ten minutes a game while GG rests, it isn't the end of the world. Both Greene and Harrison rebound exceptionally well for their positions which will be huge in a zone.
Still there is the factor of lack of depth my dear boy DEPTH!
FWIW, John Wooden won half of his 10 titles with 7 man rotations... :)
40 years ago-now everyone plays alot of people and teams run more and more action resulting in more fouls. It is not a walk it up and with no shot clock just pass the ball around the perimeter. But hey you all think lack of depth is an asset so I guess we will see how ::) that all works out for us soon. Who needs Pelle, Garrett and Sampson right fellas. Let's go with an iron man 5 and redshirt a couple of our freshmen. Let's pretend it is the 1920's.
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Jesus, Harkless is not a 4. Neither is Pointer.
And Randy Foye was? How a out 6'6 Lazar Hayward of Marquette--a blatant sf. What a out 6'6 190 Polee and 6'7 218 Jb2 as our starting front court last year. If we play 6'6 6'5/6'6 and 6'8 together for ten minutes a game while GG rests, it isn't the end of the world. Both Greene and Harrison rebound exceptionally well for their positions which will be huge in a zone.
Still there is the factor of lack of depth my dear boy DEPTH!
Does anyone actually think they are not going to suffer injuries? We'll have at least 2 guys go down at the same time for long stretches. Lavin is going to have to find a way to get more bodies out there. And let me once again, reiterate my excitement for the high school basketball games that Amir Garrett played in this past weekend. Great news. Really great. Awesome actually.
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Jesus, Harkless is not a 4. Neither is Pointer.
And Randy Foye was? How a out 6'6 Lazar Hayward of Marquette--a blatant sf. What a out 6'6 190 Polee and 6'7 218 Jb2 as our starting front court last year. If we play 6'6 6'5/6'6 and 6'8 together for ten minutes a game while GG rests, it isn't the end of the world. Both Greene and Harrison rebound exceptionally well for their positions which will be huge in a zone.
Still there is the factor of lack of depth my dear boy DEPTH!
Does anyone actually think they are not going to suffer injuries? We'll have at least 2 guys go down at the same time for long stretches. Lavin is going to have to find a way to get more bodies out there. And let me once again, reiterate my excitement for the high school basketball games that Amir Garrett played in this past weekend. Great news. Really great. Awesome actually.
Your sarcasm is uncanny.
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Jesus, Harkless is not a 4. Neither is Pointer.
And Randy Foye was? How a out 6'6 Lazar Hayward of Marquette--a blatant sf. What a out 6'6 190 Polee and 6'7 218 Jb2 as our starting front court last year. If we play 6'6 6'5/6'6 and 6'8 together for ten minutes a game while GG rests, it isn't the end of the world. Both Greene and Harrison rebound exceptionally well for their positions which will be huge in a zone.
Still there is the factor of lack of depth my dear boy DEPTH!
Does anyone actually think they are not going to suffer injuries? We'll have at least 2 guys go down at the same time for long stretches. Lavin is going to have to find a way to get more bodies out there. And let me once again, reiterate my excitement for the high school basketball games that Amir Garrett played in this past weekend. Great news. Really great. Awesome actually.
Your sarcasm is uncanny.
Anyone else imagine Poisons negative posts if Amir showed up in December too rusty to be effective? :)
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Can we block poison temporarily ? He is a good poster but he is making it look like our fan ass isn't behind these kids. It is damaging to our chances to get them all back. If u are a fan, poison, you will stop.
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http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1273540 (http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1273540)
Amir at IS8.
Also Lavin was up at Bridgton today watching him and Darrick beofre making his way to Brewster to see JaKarr:
http://twitter.com/# (http://twitter.com/#)!/AdamZagoria/status/120993032299487233
@AdamZagoria
#stjbb coach Steve Lavin was at Bridgton Academy today watching commits Amir Garrett and Darrick Wood. They are headed to Brewster.
2 hours ago via web
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http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1273540 (http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1273540)
Amir at IS8.
Also Lavin was up at Bridgton today watching him and Darrick beofre making his way to Brewster to see JaKarr:
http://twitter.com/# (http://twitter.com/#)!/AdamZagoria/status/120993032299487233
@AdamZagoria
#stjbb coach Steve Lavin was at Bridgton Academy today watching commits Amir Garrett and Darrick Wood. They are headed to Brewster.
2 hours ago via web
Can anyone shed some light on how the video was?
Also good to hear Lavin is on the move again. Im sure hell be visitin phelpes school in the near future.
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The video is less than 10 highlights so its hard to take much from it. The one thing that is clear to me is how good an athlete Amir is. He gets off the floor extremely quickly and also can accelerate by his defender with ease. Imo he will be the best athlete on the team and great at playing passing lanes in the zone and press. He also knocks down a couple of jumpers in the video. One from the baseline while driving to his right and a baseline three. On the mid range, he was guarded closely and rose right above his defender to get his shot off which I like to see. The end of the video said that he averaged 18ppg for the weekend which is pretty impressive for that tiny gym at IS8 (still wondering how Kyle managed 61 or whatever he scored a lil while back). Wish I could be there but I'm working in Cali, will try and send Pops this coming weekend.
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Can we block poison temporarily ? He is a good poster but he is making it look like our fan ass isn't behind these kids. It is damaging to our chances to get them all back. If u are a fan, poison, you will stop.
Don't be such a woman.
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Confirmed via twitter he is attending Midnight Madness
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I saw this article on NERR about this years bridgton academy team and they have Amir down as playing this year. If he does play can he still come to St. Johns in December?
http://www.newenglandrecruitingreport.com/news/article/2214/Prep-Profile-Bridgton-Academy.php (http://www.newenglandrecruitingreport.com/news/article/2214/Prep-Profile-Bridgton-Academy.php)
Sorry if the link doesn't work but I am one of the last 5 people using a blackberry.
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I found this video from the Chosen league this summer that Amir and Norvel played in. Makes you even more excited to get them here in December. Amir has clips at the very beginning and towards the end. Norvel also has some pretty impressive clips towards the end. Rysheed Jordan also has some highlights at the beginning right after Amir.
Its a long video so here are the spots that they are showed.
Amir- :04, 3:58
Norvel- 6:44
Jordan- :27, 6:30
My apologies if this was already posted, but either way it's a good reminder of what we have coming hopefully in December, and if not next fall.
http://www.rockfest.tv/video/9G3LAcqJqYo/Chosen-League-Mixtape-presented-by-Dime-Magazine-ft-Rysheed-Jordan-Amir-Garrett-SICK-DUNKS.html (http://www.rockfest.tv/video/9G3LAcqJqYo/Chosen-League-Mixtape-presented-by-Dime-Magazine-ft-Rysheed-Jordan-Amir-Garrett-SICK-DUNKS.html)
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I dont have time to view it right now but if it is the video I think it is, than it is actually jakarr and not norvel.
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I dont have time to view it right now but if it is the video I think it is, than it is actually jakarr and not norvel.
It's that particular video, and that is Sampson instead of Pelle. The video was initially posted during the summer.
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Sorry about that, I didn't realize it was the same video. Hopefully we can have all 3 here next year.
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Jakarr does look good in the video
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just got back from the is8 finals in Jamiaca.. Amir had a bad game and got played by K Anderson all day.. D Wood really got some hops
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just got back from the is8 finals in Jamiaca.. Amir had a bad game and got played by K Anderson all day.. D Wood really got some hops
Can you expand on this please? How did KA play him? Thanks for the info.
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he was guarding KA up top and KA left him in the dust a couple of times with crossover moves .. given that no one can stay in front of KA on Amir's team.. Amir blocked him once as a help defender from the weak side
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Thanks for the info jerpac. Any estimates on stats for either of our guys?
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Amir probably had about 7-10 points.. low for his is8 standard.. he was named in the 1st team all tournament.. Wood had a couple of fastbreak dunks and a three
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just got back from the is8 finals in Jamiaca.. Amir had a bad game and got played by K Anderson all day.. D Wood really got some hops
Can you expand on this please? How did KA play him? Thanks for the info.
Kyle ended up with 21 pts, 12 rebs and 12 assists....
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Amir probably had about 7-10 points.. low for his is8 standard.. he was named in the 1st team all tournament.. Wood had a couple of fastbreak dunks and a three
Wood played the rest of the game with a sprained ankle. He injured it on the first play of the game when he went for a rebound. He quickly asked to be subbed and had to re-adjust his shoes. Those 2 break away dunks were on bummed ankle.
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Amir on twitter says "see you in December". I'm guessing he knows what he needs to qualify. Once again, congrats to this kid who has be vehement and vocal about playing for SJU. Apparently he's getting his work done and on the path. He deserves all good fortune comng his way and can't wait to see hi in red and white.
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Pelle should take notes on how to get it done instead of whinning and making excuses like a little baby
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i think we all need to chill a little. none of them are guaranteed anything until NCAA clears them. amir could teach the classes and still may not get cleared.
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Pelle should take notes on how to get it done instead of whinning and making excuses like a little baby
Calm down. Everyone is jumping to conclusions about these recruits with no factual background other than stalking their twitter accounts. Pelle, Garrett, and Sampson didn't qualify and that sucks but some of you make it seem like that makes them "idiots" or "whining little babies". I won't make excuses for these three players but all 3 are now in prep school and working on qualifying and that's what is important. To come on a forum and call a recruit lazy, stupid, or goof-off without any knowledge of the actual situation is lazy and stupid. Hopefully Amir and Pelle will be here in December.
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Pelle should take notes on how to get it done instead of whinning and making excuses like a little baby
Wow. Are you kidding?
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Tweet from Amir tonight:
"I really appreciate all the support from e St john's family, they aren't fans to me, we are one big family. You guys keep me going"
Always want kids like this as part of our program and school. Wish they were all made this way. It's not just about bball. This kid just gets it. Can't wait for him to take the court and wish this kid the best of luck no matter what type of player he is or becomes. Kid has heart.
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Now each situation is different but for those who did not think it was really possible to qualify for the second semester this year for any of the 3 who failed to qualify, see Kevin Ware of Louisville. He is set to enroll and be eligible starting December 14th:
http://www.kentucky.com/2011/11/14/1959719/louisville-basketball-freshman.html (http://www.kentucky.com/2011/11/14/1959719/louisville-basketball-freshman.html)
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Now each situation is different but for those who did not think it was really possible to qualify for the second semester this year for any of the 3 who failed to qualify, see Kevin Ware of Louisville. He is set to enroll and be eligible starting December 14th:
http://www.kentucky.com/2011/11/14/1959719/louisville-basketball-freshman.html (http://www.kentucky.com/2011/11/14/1959719/louisville-basketball-freshman.html)
Day after Marra goes down for the year they get good news like this.
Unreal.
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Now each situation is different but for those who did not think it was really possible to qualify for the second semester this year for any of the 3 who failed to qualify, see Kevin Ware of Louisville. He is set to enroll and be eligible starting December 14th:
http://www.kentucky.com/2011/11/14/1959719/louisville-basketball-freshman.html (http://www.kentucky.com/2011/11/14/1959719/louisville-basketball-freshman.html)
Day after Marra goes down for the year they get good news like this.
Unreal.
Which makes one wonder how Louisville is able to keep the kids and we are not??
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Now each situation is different but for those who did not think it was really possible to qualify for the second semester this year for any of the 3 who failed to qualify, see Kevin Ware of Louisville. He is set to enroll and be eligible starting December 14th:
http://www.kentucky.com/2011/11/14/1959719/louisville-basketball-freshman.html (http://www.kentucky.com/2011/11/14/1959719/louisville-basketball-freshman.html)
Day after Marra goes down for the year they get good news like this.
Unreal.
Which makes one wonder how Louisville is able to keep the kids and we are not??
Its scary when I actually agree with you on something.
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Anyone hear the rumor that Moe Harkless and D Harrison have de-committed from St John's? It seems like we lead the NCAA in de-committments. Wonder if other programs are lying to these kids re coaches health.
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Now each situation is different but for those who did not think it was really possible to qualify for the second semester this year for any of the 3 who failed to qualify, see Kevin Ware of Louisville. He is set to enroll and be eligible starting December 14th:
http://www.kentucky.com/2011/11/14/1959719/louisville-basketball-freshman.html (http://www.kentucky.com/2011/11/14/1959719/louisville-basketball-freshman.html)
Day after Marra goes down for the year they get good news like this.
Unreal.
Which makes one wonder how Louisville is able to keep the kids and we are not??
Its scary when I actually agree with you on something.
Louisville and Pitino have had their issues as well. Last year their top recruit Justin Coleman failed to qualify. Transfer Roburt Sallie failed to clear last year and never played for them. Recruits Negus Webster-Chen and Rodney Purvis both decommitted when assistant Tim Fuller left Pitino to join Haith at Missouri. Chen followed Fuller to Missouri and Purvis stayed home with NC St. Then this year Kevin Ware fails to qualify initially and will enroll for 2nd semester.
Sounds every bit as "bad" if not worse then SJU. Louisville is surviving.
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It is funny Amir is the 1 guy who probably had the best reason NOT to follow through on his commitment to SJU since he has a baseball contract already in place to fall back on. I mean it would have been easy for him to simply say, "Hey the NCAA screwed me so sorry SJU fans but I going to pursue baseball with the Reds."
And yet the kid never stops talking about how much he is looking forward to playing for SJU starting in December. He tweets and re-tweets the same sentiments everyday. Never ever wavered.
Forget about his pure basketball ability. Just flat love this kid's attitude.
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Now each situation is different but for those who did not think it was really possible to qualify for the second semester this year for any of the 3 who failed to qualify, see Kevin Ware of Louisville. He is set to enroll and be eligible starting December 14th:
http://www.kentucky.com/2011/11/14/1959719/louisville-basketball-freshman.html (http://www.kentucky.com/2011/11/14/1959719/louisville-basketball-freshman.html)
Day after Marra goes down for the year they get good news like this.
Unreal.
Which makes one wonder how Louisville is able to keep the kids and we are not??
Its scary when I actually agree with you on something.
Louisville and Pitino have had their issues as well. Last year their top recruit Justin Coleman failed to qualify. Transfer Roburt Sallie failed to clear last year and never played for them. Recruits Negus Webster-Chen and Rodney Purvis both decommitted when assistant Tim Fuller left Pitino to join Haith at Missouri. Chen followed Fuller to Missouri and Purvis stayed home with NC St. Then this year Kevin Ware fails to qualify initially and will enroll for 2nd semester.
Sounds every bit as "bad" if not worse then SJU. Louisville is surviving.
But he's also sliming it with 3-4 questionable walk on's who should be scholarship players. He throws out offers like candy and when he has too many and has to adjust he does what he has to.
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It is funny Amir is the 1 guy who probably had the best reason NOT to follow through on his commitment to SJU since he has a baseball contract already in place to fall back on. I mean it would have been easy for him to simply say, "Hey the NCAA screwed me so sorry SJU fans but I going to pursue baseball with the Reds."
And yet the kid never stops talking about how much he is looking forward to playing for SJU starting in December. He tweets and re-tweets the same sentiments everyday. Never ever wavered.
Forget about his pure basketball ability. Just flat love this kid's attitude.
Absolutely! Well said, fordham...Amir is going to be a fan favorite and I can't wait to see him in a Johnnies uniform
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Again from scout.com at the NPS:
Amir Garrett, SF, Bridgton Academy – Garrett, one of the premier athletes in the country, played quite well against Hargrave, especially in the first session. Garrett attacked the rim, finished in transition and flew in for rebounds. Early in his career he has a chance to make his mark on the defensive end, as his length, lateral speed and athleticism are impressive. Garrett finished 8-for-14 from the field for 20 points.
It appears Amir Garrett is one track to become eligible to play at St. John’s following the first semester. Bridgton Academy coach White Lesure told Scout.com Garrett is in good shape.
“Based on what Amir is doing and based on feedback from St. John’s I’d say yeah it’s going to be done,” Lesure said.
Garrett was ranked as a top 100 prospect in the 2011 recruiting class.
http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1130724.html (http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1130724.html)
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Great news...he will help a lot.
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With NCAA often taking weeks or months to clear a player-
how do we know how soon after finishing semester NCAA clears Amir ?
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With NCAA often taking weeks or months to clear a player-
how do we know how soon after finishing semester NCAA clears Amir ?
We don't.
Doesn't that make it so much fun?
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With NCAA often taking weeks or months to clear a player-
how do we know how soon after finishing semester NCAA clears Amir ?
We don't. Doesn't that make it so much fun?
Well. I hope since their workload of this type should be 95% less now, compared to August-
process should be much quicker. But thats thinking too logically.
Do we know when Amir finishes finals ?
could he be eligible for the Dec 17 Fordham game ?
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With NCAA often taking weeks or months to clear a player-
how do we know how soon after finishing semester NCAA clears Amir ?
We don't. Doesn't that make it so much fun?
Well. I hope since their workload of this type should be 95% less now, compared to August-
process should be much quicker. But thats thinking too logically.
Do we know when Amir finishes finals ?
could he be eligible for the Dec 17 Fordham game ?
When he finishes has no effect on his first game. He would be eligible the 1st game after the Fall Semester ends which would be the Tex Pan Am game. With I think 2 days of practice.
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We need Amir badly. I really hopewe see him soon
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Well we had Kevin Ware announce recently that he wil be eligible at Lousiville second semester and it appears that LaQuinton Ross of Ohio St is set to join OSU in December although it is not official yet. OSU I believe goes on a tri-mester system and so he can enroll a bit earlier.
http://www.buckeyextra.com/content/stories/2011/11/23/freshman-ross-tweets-about-good-news.html (http://www.buckeyextra.com/content/stories/2011/11/23/freshman-ross-tweets-about-good-news.html)
So we know it can definitely happen.
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I just want it to be official
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With NCAA often taking weeks or months to clear a player-
how do we know how soon after finishing semester NCAA clears Amir ?
We don't. Doesn't that make it so much fun?
Well. I hope since their workload of this type should be 95% less now, compared to August-
process should be much quicker. But thats thinking too logically.
Do we know when Amir finishes finals ?
could he be eligible for the Dec 17 Fordham game ?
I think the last day at Bridgton is dec 16th or something like that so probably not Fordham but maybe the next.
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With NCAA often taking weeks or months to clear a player-
how do we know how soon after finishing semester NCAA clears Amir ?
We don't. Doesn't that make it so much fun?
Well. I hope since their workload of this type should be 95% less now, compared to August-
process should be much quicker. But thats thinking too logically.
Do we know when Amir finishes finals ?
could he be eligible for the Dec 17 Fordham game ?
I think the last day at Bridgton is dec 16th or something like that so probably not Fordham but maybe the next.
He's not eligible due to STJ finals until the Tex Pan Am game. That could be his first game depending on him getting eligible.
Here is what I don't get. If he has to wait for those grades why are guys like Ware and Ross getting cleared now?
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Anyone have any update on Amir's status? Maybe even encouraging tweets? Could use some good news (hopefully, it's good).
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Anyone have any update on Amir's status? Maybe even encouraging tweets? Could use some good news (hopefully, it's good).
Zags article today talks about him coming with more positive tweets.
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Anyone have any update on Amir's status? Maybe even encouraging tweets? Could use some good news (hopefully, it's good).
Zags article today talks about him coming with more positive tweets.
Cool. Thanks Moose.
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He's not eligible due to STJ finals until the Tex Pan Am game. That could be his first game depending on him getting eligible.
Here is what I don't get. If he has to wait for those grades why are guys like Ware and Ross getting cleared now?
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In Ross's case I think it is because he did not take any additional class he just took the SAT again and raised his score.
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He's not eligible due to STJ finals until the Tex Pan Am game. That could be his first game depending on him getting eligible.
Here is what I don't get. If he has to wait for those grades why are guys like Ware and Ross getting cleared now?
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In Ross's case I think it is because he did not take any additional class he just took the SAT again and raised his score.
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With Ross it is because OSU goes on a tri-mester system. It is all about when the next semester begins. You obviously cannot enroll in the middle of a semester even if you know you are cleared.
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Great news...he will help a lot.
He may not have any impact till next year. He doesnt know the system and has not played against this level of competition. Look I expected much more from Sir Dom at this point as he was rated higher and had the physical tools to contribute immediately and he struggles offensively at this point.
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Amir went for 26 pts, 11 rebs and 6 assts in there last game according to his twitter.
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Amir went for 26 pts, 11 rebs and 6 assts in there last game according to his twitter.
Deangelo H averaged thirty something points in high school. The only HS players that have a chance of contributing are great shooters and even they usually take a year or two.
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Amir went for 26 pts, 11 rebs and 6 assts in there last game according to his twitter.
Deangelo H averaged thirty something points in high school. The only HS players that have a chance of contributing are great shooters and even they usually take a year or two.
The NEPSAC is arguably the toughest conference in America. The amount of players that go onto NCAA high level D1 is absurd. Not so much with where Harrison came from.
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If Amir can give us a net 10pts---avg 6pts on offense and reduce opponent scoring by 4pts avg on defense (not too much to expect)---that will have a huge impact on the remainder of our schedule. Next year, I would expext his numbers to be even better.
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Amir size and rebounding is going to be a big. Our zone is about lenth and Amir fits the bill.
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Amir would supply a spark at this point, take away about 4 minutes a game from other players to keep everyone fresh, and most importantly allow us to play more man to man defense from the wings and guards with 5 more fouls to give.
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Amir size and rebounding is going to be a big. Our zone is about lenth and Amir fits the bill.
Here we go again, overating these kids at this point in time.Amir is a nice player and will EVENTUALLY turn into a contriutor, but he is by no mens a difference maker. Not to mention, he is going to need a good month or so before he can even get on the floor at this level. Let me guess, it was some of you guys who touted Nuri as the next NBA star. Give Amir a chance to get acclimated to the situation before you start touting him as the next coming.
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Amir size and rebounding is going to be a big. Our zone is about lenth and Amir fits the bill.
Here we go again, overating these kids at this point in time.Amir is a nice player and will EVENTUALLY turn into a contriutor, but he is by no mens a difference maker. Not to mention, he is going to need a good month or so before he can even get on the floor at this level. Let me guess, it was some of you guys who touted Nuri as the next NBA star. Give Amir a chance to get acclimated to the situation before you start touting him as the next coming.
Nobody saw Nuri play to call him an NBA player. We all read what was written about him from Chad Ford of ESPN.com. Does he look like that now? No. But all people here did was go off of what an expert was saying. Be fair.
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i think realfan is right.
it's not fair to the kids to overhype them then pour on the hate if they miss a free throw or brick threes for a few games.
the reality is there are tens of millions of kids playing ball today...and we're seeing, at worst...the top thousand something coming here and at best top 100. that says plenty about the players who rise to this level.
if they're not saviors yet...so be it.
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Nothing new but here is a short piece on Amir joining us.
http://212sports.com/college/st-johns/stjohns-latest-news/1068-amir-garrett-set-to-join-red-storm (http://212sports.com/college/st-johns/stjohns-latest-news/1068-amir-garrett-set-to-join-red-storm)
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Amir size and rebounding is going to be a big. Our zone is about lenth and Amir fits the bill.
Here we go again, overating these kids at this point in time.Amir is a nice player and will EVENTUALLY turn into a contriutor, but he is by no mens a difference maker. Not to mention, he is going to need a good month or so before he can even get on the floor at this level. Let me guess, it was some of you guys who touted Nuri as the next NBA star. Give Amir a chance to get acclimated to the situation before you start touting him as the next coming.
Nobody saw Nuri play to call him an NBA player. We all read what was written about him from Chad Ford of ESPN.com. Does he look like that now? No. But all people here did was go off of what an expert was saying. Be fair.
Axtually I am being fair. Many people on this site saw Nuri in the NJC championships and were touting him then. Several posters and friends of mine saw him as well and saw nothing that would even slightly resemble an NBA player at that time. He lacked a decent shot and his handle was inconsistent at best. I dont see his leaving as a big loss at all.
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Nothing new but here is a short piece on Amir joining us.
http://212sports.com/college/st-johns/stjohns-latest-news/1068-amir-garrett-set-to-join-red-storm (http://212sports.com/college/st-johns/stjohns-latest-news/1068-amir-garrett-set-to-join-red-storm)
How does this guy say Pelle and Sampson have decommitted and will enroll elsewhere when we are still under consideration by both of them? ???
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Nothing new but here is a short piece on Amir joining us.
http://212sports.com/college/st-johns/stjohns-latest-news/1068-amir-garrett-set-to-join-red-storm (http://212sports.com/college/st-johns/stjohns-latest-news/1068-amir-garrett-set-to-join-red-storm)
How does this guy say Pelle and Sampson have decommitted and will enroll elsewhere when we are still under consideration by both of them? ???
I would take it with a grain of salt. We are still very much in it for Jakarr. This site seems like nothing more than a chance to rehash what is found on google.
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I think Amir will be this year's Polee, but win, but with a bit more ball-handling and three pt attempts.
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when I saw amir play I was impressed with his passing. I think hell be a good person to put in the middle against a two three.
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when I saw amir play I was impressed with his passing. I think hell be a good person to put in the middle against a two three.
Ideally that spot is perfect for Moe but he has to play out of position unfortunately.
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when I saw amir play I was impressed with his passing. I think hell be a good person to put in the middle against a two three.
Ideally that spot is perfect for Moe but he has to play out of position unfortunately.
Absolutely. Moe is great from the high post/elbow area. I think amir and him will form a nice tandem. It will be great to have three forwards in there at all time. All of them can run as well.
When amir comes back I think you will see the four forwards getting all around equal minutes with mo getting a little more than the rest.
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Garrett is listed at 6'6 210 on Brigton's roster! That is a lot of Beef on Amir...I think that puts him as the second heaviest player on the roster behind GG. Wood is listed at 175 and Nichols at 185 (6'5 and 6'6, respectively).
While I'm not too impressed with Garrett's polish as a SF, I think he will be much better than Polee was in the undersized PF role. I'm impressed by Garrett's strong base, as he always seems to be able to keep his guy on his back or hip while going after boards. Polee was one of the worst at boxing out and fighting for boards that I've ever seen at that height. Garrett should help from jump street in this area, especially out of our chaotic zone.
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Garrett is listed at 6'6 210 on Brigton's roster! That is a lot of Beef on Amir...I think that puts him as the second heaviest player on the roster behind GG. Wood is listed at 175 and Nichols at 185 (6'5 and 6'6, respectively).
While I'm not too impressed with Garrett's polish as a SF, I think he will be much better than Polee was in the undersized PF role. I'm impressed by Garrett's strong base, as he always seems to be able to keep his guy on his back or hip while going after boards. Polee was one of the worst at boxing out and fighting for boards that I've ever seen at that height. Garrett should help from jump street in this area, especially out of our chaotic zone.
The school says that pointer weighs less than moe. Anyone else have a hard time believing it?
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Believe basketball unlike football where weight is more important just makes up a number.
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Amir cleared to play tomorrow!
#stjbb RT @GoodmanCBS: Amir Garrett has been cleared to play at St. John's, Garrett's father told CBSSports.com