6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: 96 Schermerhorn Street on February 29, 2012, 09:42:56 PM
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Not bad two school records on the same night.
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Not bad two school records on the same night.
Congrats to D'Angelo! St. John's all-time single-season record for three pointers...and all-time leading Freshman scorer in St. John's history!!!!!! What a season.
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i thought 73 tied it. no?
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Patterson had 72. Congrats to D'Angelo.
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http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=4802.msg61691#msg61691 (http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=4802.msg61691#msg61691)
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http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=4802.msg61691#msg61691 (http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=4802.msg61691#msg61691)
Nice job LJSA!
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Congratulations to D'lo for breaking what I thought was unbreakable.
You are a very worthy three-point champion torch bearer. May you reach even greater heights in the years to come at SJU.
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Thank you D'Angelo for breaking this unbelievably embarrassing record held by Avery Patterson. The laziest player I've ever seen in a Johnny uniform.
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Thank you D'Angelo for breaking this unbelievably embarrassing record held by Avery Patterson. The laziest player I've ever seen in a Johnny uniform.
D'lo's incredible three point shooting this year has been a huge plus for the team this season just as Avery "single game 3-point record holder" Patterson's was for his squad back in the day.
Use revisionist history as you see fit to remember it and spin it as you wish. But 72 three's is 72 three's any which way you slice it.
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This is just the tip of the iceberg for D LO.
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Thank you D'Angelo for breaking this unbelievably embarrassing record held by Avery Patterson. The laziest player I've ever seen in a Johnny uniform.
D'lo's incredible three point shooting this year has been a huge plus for the team this season just as Avery "single game 3-point record holder" Patterson's was for his squad back in the day.
Use revisionist history as you see fit to remember it and spin it as you wish. But 72 three's is 72 three's any which way
you slice it.
Stats lie. Especially for Patterson.
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You welcome carmine.
Avery Patterson College Highlights (http://vimeo.com/34504433)
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Watch Patterson against Duke in 2007. Tell me he's a good player.
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Think Harrison tests the waters?
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Think Harrison tests the waters?
Not an NBA player. Not a chance.
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Think Harrison tests the waters?
Your beach in the rockaways ?
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Think Harrison tests the waters?
Not an NBA player. Not a chance.
Not this year. I think he may after next year, only to comeback. He's a 3 year player, hopefully 4. To say he doesn't have a chance is foolish. He's a freshman that can shoot the lights out and has an "it" factor about him. I'm not saying he will be a lottery pick down the line, but he will play in the league ( not the D or Euro either).
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He won't get a look in NBA much like Dwight Hardy didn't. Both are more SG than PG. Undersized scoring combo guards have the hardest time finding their way into the NBA.
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I hope everyone tells Harrison the same thing. The bigger the chip on his shoulder the better for us. He doesn't seem the type to take someone telling him he can't do something too kindly.
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Think Harrison tests the waters?
Your beach in the rockaways ?
No Marco he is not transfering to Iona :o
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Think Harrison is better than Johnson Odom? AShton Gibbs? Jason Clark?
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I hope everyone tells Harrison the same thing. The bigger the chip on his shoulder the better for us. He doesn't seem the type to take someone telling him he can't do something too kindly.
Nothing against him at all. Phenomenal college player. NBA just requires a different skill set. If he makes the NBA I will happily be proven wrong. I'll be rooting for him to succeed and get there (preferably after this 4 years of college though).
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He is a classic 4 year player in the Scotty Reynolds most. He might test the waters because after all, it's free to do so. Leaving would be insane. You need to be Iverson or Wade at that size to get drafted in the first round.
After that, there are several dozen combo guards who almost always land in Europe.
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I hope everyone tells Harrison the same thing. The bigger the chip on his shoulder the better for us. He doesn't seem the type to take someone telling him he can't do something too kindly.
Nothing against him at all. Phenomenal college player. NBA just requires a different skill set. If he makes the NBA I will happily be proven wrong. I'll be rooting for him to succeed and get there (preferably after this 4 years of college though).
I think Harrison could play in the league but he'd need 3-4 years to have a chance. If no one would take a change on Dwight after last year they're not taking D'AC after this year.
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Think Harrison is better than Johnson Odom? AShton Gibbs? Jason Clark?
As freshmen? or right now? He's better than all three as freshmen.
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remember also, Hardy only really had one year of college ball to show what he could do at a high level. Harrison is better shooter than Hardy already imo. Hardy was smarter and better team player, but that will come with time for Harrison. Hardy played little to no defense also.
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Think Harrison is better than Johnson Odom? AShton Gibbs? Jason Clark?
As freshmen? or right now? He's better than all three as freshmen.
I agree. I think hes better than Lamb too, Right now
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Congrats DeAngelo!!! Well deserved recognition.
Really have enjoyed watching you play this year. Not many on the court for any team exhibit your passion for the game. It's great to see.
Hope you stay with the Redmen for 4 years and help bring home a championship during that time.
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He is a classic 4 year player in the Scotty Reynolds most. He might test the waters because after all, it's free to do so. Leaving would be insane. You need to be Iverson or Wade at that size to get drafted in the first round.
After that, there are several dozen combo guards who almost always land in Europe.
Eh, Poison? I get the hyperbole, but in the last 5 drafts Brandon Jennings, Eric Bledsoe, Johnny Flynn, Avery Bradley, Ty Lawson, Kyrie Irving, Steph Curry, Jeff Teague, Darren Collison, Aaron Brooks, Rajon Rondo, Jordan Farmar, Shannon Brown, and Quincy Douby have ALL been drafted first round "at that size" or smaller....
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I think he will ultimately get to the NBA. Fortunately for us it will be after his JR. year at the earliest IMO.
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Think Harrison is better than Johnson Odom? AShton Gibbs? Jason Clark?
Id take DJO over him but not the other two. And I like gibbs and clark's games. Theres not a guard in the big east right now who Deangelo will not be better than.
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remember also, Hardy only really had one year of college ball to show what he could do at a high level. Harrison is better shooter than Hardy already imo. Hardy was smarter and better team player, but that will come with time for Harrison. Hardy played little to no defense also.
I loved hardy, and I think he was a smart player, but IMO Harrison is the smarter player of the two.
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Amase, agree with both of your posts above. Heart seperates Harrison from these boys.
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He is a classic 4 year player in the Scotty Reynolds most. He might test the waters because after all, it's free to do so. Leaving would be insane. You need to be Iverson or Wade at that size to get drafted in the first round.
After that, there are several dozen combo guards who almost always land in Europe.
Eh, Poison? I get the hyperbole, but in the last 5 drafts Brandon Jennings, Eric Bledsoe, Johnny Flynn, Avery Bradley, Ty Lawson, Kyrie Irving, Steph Curry, Jeff Teague, Darren Collison, Aaron Brooks, Rajon Rondo, Jordan Farmar, Shannon Brown, and Quincy Douby have ALL been drafted first round "at that size" or smaller....
Kemba Walker
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You welcome carmine.
Avery Patterson College Highlights (http://vimeo.com/34504433)
Thank you Choz. Pure gold!
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Think Harrison is better than Johnson Odom? AShton Gibbs? Jason Clark?
As freshmen? or right now? He's better than all three as freshmen.
I agree. I think hes better than Lamb too, Right now
Their are 2 guys on Golden State (Stephen Curry and Monte Ellis), who are the size as D'Lo and are excelling in the league. Both players have attributed much of their improvement to the work they have done with Rico Hines. So I definitely think with Rico's help that D'lo has a chance.
I think he has to work on his first step, passing and transition game. He has the shot, hard work and all the intangibles.
Hope Rico can get D'Lo some practices against those 2 stars over the summer.
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He is a classic 4 year player in the Scotty Reynolds most. He might test the waters because after all, it's free to do so. Leaving would be insane. You need to be Iverson or Wade at that size to get drafted in the first round.
After that, there are several dozen combo guards who almost always land in Europe.
Eh, Poison? I get the hyperbole, but in the last 5 drafts Brandon Jennings, Eric Bledsoe, Johnny Flynn, Avery Bradley, Ty Lawson, Kyrie Irving, Steph Curry, Jeff Teague, Darren Collison, Aaron Brooks, Rajon Rondo, Jordan Farmar, Shannon Brown, and Quincy Douby have ALL been drafted first round "at that size" or smaller....
You're naming mostly point guards here. As far as two guards go, most of those guys stayed at least 4 years, and then fizzled out quickly. If Marcus Hatten and Dwight Hardy don't even get drafted after their senior seasons, I think it's pretty reasonable to assume that another combo guard in a similar mold wouldn't either.
Hope I'm wrong and he does make it.
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He is a classic 4 year player in the Scotty Reynolds most. He might test the waters because after all, it's free to do so. Leaving would be insane. You need to be Iverson or Wade at that size to get drafted in the first round.
After that, there are several dozen combo guards who almost always land in Europe.
Eh, Poison? I get the hyperbole, but in the last 5 drafts Brandon Jennings, Eric Bledsoe, Johnny Flynn, Avery Bradley, Ty Lawson, Kyrie Irving, Steph Curry, Jeff Teague, Darren Collison, Aaron Brooks, Rajon Rondo, Jordan Farmar, Shannon Brown, and Quincy Douby have ALL been drafted first round "at that size" or smaller....
You're naming mostly point guards here. As far as two guards go, most of those guys stayed at least 4 years, and then fizzled out quickly. If Marcus Hatten and Dwight Hardy don't even get drafted after their senior seasons, I think it's pretty reasonable to assume that another combo guard in a similar mold wouldn't either.
Hope I'm wrong and he does make it.
Playing only 2 years hurt these guys imo. Hardy isnt athletic enough and as a PG, doesnt make anyone better around him. He NEVER passed the ball on the break. Too slow. Hatten wasnt good enough to get thru the off the court problems
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He is a classic 4 year player in the Scotty Reynolds most. He might test the waters because after all, it's free to do so. Leaving would be insane. You need to be Iverson or Wade at that size to get drafted in the first round.
After that, there are several dozen combo guards who almost always land in Europe.
Eh, Poison? I get the hyperbole, but in the last 5 drafts Brandon Jennings, Eric Bledsoe, Johnny Flynn, Avery Bradley, Ty Lawson, Kyrie Irving, Steph Curry, Jeff Teague, Darren Collison, Aaron Brooks, Rajon Rondo, Jordan Farmar, Shannon Brown, and Quincy Douby have ALL been drafted first round "at that size" or smaller....
You're naming mostly point guards here. As far as two guards go, most of those guys stayed at least 4 years, and then fizzled out quickly. If Marcus Hatten and Dwight Hardy don't even get drafted after their senior seasons, I think it's pretty reasonable to assume that another combo guard in a similar mold wouldn't either.
Hope I'm wrong and he does make it.
Agree. All those guys with the exception of Brown are either pure PG's or play mostly PG. Harrison would not do that in the NBA. He is a combo guard who would be a better fit at the SG position. There he would be undersized. I don't see him being able to drive and score like he does in college. He doesn't have great athletic ability either. Now, he will probably be outstanding overseas (see Dwight Hardy) where scoring combo guards excel. Again, not a knock on him that's just the way the NBA is.
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He is a classic 4 year player in the Scotty Reynolds most. He might test the waters because after all, it's free to do so. Leaving would be insane. You need to be Iverson or Wade at that size to get drafted in the first round.
After that, there are several dozen combo guards who almost always land in Europe.
Um, Poison's example (which I was responding to) was Iverson.
Eh, Poison? I get the hyperbole, but in the last 5 drafts Brandon Jennings, Eric Bledsoe, Johnny Flynn, Avery Bradley, Ty Lawson, Kyrie Irving, Steph Curry, Jeff Teague, Darren Collison, Aaron Brooks, Rajon Rondo, Jordan Farmar, Shannon Brown, and Quincy Douby have ALL been drafted first round "at that size" or smaller....
You're naming mostly point guards here. As far as two guards go, most of those guys stayed at least 4 years, and then fizzled out quickly. If Marcus Hatten and Dwight Hardy don't even get drafted after their senior seasons, I think it's pretty reasonable to assume that another combo guard in a similar mold wouldn't either.
Hope I'm wrong and he does make it.
Agree. All those guys with the exception of Brown are either pure PG's or play mostly PG. Harrison would not do that in the NBA. He is a combo guard who would be a better fit at the SG position. There he would be undersized. I don't see him being able to drive and score like he does in college. He doesn't have great athletic ability either. Now, he will probably be outstanding overseas (see Dwight Hardy) where scoring combo guards excel. Again, not a knock on him that's just the way the NBA is.
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I would love Avery Patterson on this team. The kid shot damn near 60% when he got his feet set and was fed the ball for his beautiful jumper. Avery's problem boiled down to forcing too many shots off the bounce. He seemingly missed almost all of them. That was coaching IMO. You get a kid with that good of a set three and you have to be all over him in practice when he shoots off the bounce...even if it goes in.
Harrison doesn't have the size or athleticism for the next level, but he's a strong kid that I think will get there after four years. He has a tight handle and great strength. He has his work cut out for him.
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We already have Avery Patterson on this team. We have several walk ons.
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Too slow. Hatten wasnt good enough to get thru the off the court problems
What off court problems? Smokin a blunt with Willie? I think thats mandatory for incoming Nba players. They hand them out at the rookie orientation.
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Harrison will be one of our better 4 year players. He will break the all time scoring record and be a all BE first teamer at some point. He does not have the skill set or size to play in NBA however.
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Too slow. Hatten wasnt good enough to get thru the off the court problems
What off court problems? Smokin a blunt with Willie? I think thats mandatory for incoming Nba players. They hand them out at the rookie orientation.
Hatten wasn't good enough for teams to look the other way
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His skill set looks great for a FR.
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The benefit Harrison has over guys like Hardy or Hatten is that he can get four years working with a staff that can have him prepared for what NBA execs want to see.
I think his biggest problem is getting his shot blocked at the next level. You see it even now when he drives into the lane, most of the time he's hoping for a foul because otherwise he's lost amongst the trees.
I think next year he'll learn to start dropping floaters and pull ups in those situations
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The benefit Harrison has over guys like Hardy or Hatten is that he can get four years working with a staff that can have him prepared for what NBA execs want to see.
I think his biggest problem is getting his shot blocked at the next level. You see it even now when he drives into the lane, most of the time he's hoping for a foul because otherwise he's lost amongst the trees.
I think next year he'll learn to start dropping floaters and pull ups in those situations
Iverson was only 6'0. He did ok in the NBA.
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The benefit Harrison has over guys like Hardy or Hatten is that he can get four years working with a staff that can have him prepared for what NBA execs want to see.
I think his biggest problem is getting his shot blocked at the next level. You see it even now when he drives into the lane, most of the time he's hoping for a foul because otherwise he's lost amongst the trees.
I think next year he'll learn to start dropping floaters and pull ups in those situations
Iverson was only 6'0. He did ok in the NBA.
He also had the lateral quickness of a ninja.
Way too early to say if D'lo will make it, I'm just saying small guards without elite athleticism have an uphill battle. There are always exceptions though
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Iverson was only 6'0. He did ok in the NBA.
Yes and GG would do well once the BE started becuase Wes Unseld was a HOF center despite being 6-6. Haven't we learned to stop comparing these kids to HOFers yet? Iverson was a freak athlete. Harrison is not. Just becuase someone is a good college player it does not mean he will be a pro. Harrison is a very good college player we should just be happy about that.
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Iverson was only 6'0. He did ok in the NBA.
Yes and GG would do well once the BE started becuase Wes Unseld was a HOF center despite being 6-6. Haven't we learned to stop comparing these kids to HOFers yet? Iverson was a freak athlete. Harrison is not. Just becuase someone is a good college player it does not mean he will be a pro. Harrison is a very good college player we should just be happy about that.
I was NOT comparing Iverson to Harrison. Just making a point that size is not dispositive for a tweener guard to becoming a pro. Monta Ellis is 6'3 as well, and probably not a HOF. Again, not comparing him to Harrison other than pointing out that they are the same height. And yes, I am very happy that Harrison is a very good college player and will hopefully be with us for 4 great years.
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JJ Reddick has found his niche in the NBA. If I remember correctly, alot of us didnt think he'd stick. Its all about oppurtunity and what team you land on. Come senior year, think Harrison can be as good as Reddick was?
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JJ Reddick has found his niche in the NBA. If I remember correctly, alot of us didnt think he'd stick. Its all about oppurtunity and what team you land on. Come senior year, think Harrison can be as good as Reddick was?
Not sure what has happened to you lately Baldi, but most of your recent posts have been about basketball and have made a lot of sense. What is this place coming to?
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JJ Reddick has found his niche in the NBA. If I remember correctly, alot of us didnt think he'd stick. Its all about oppurtunity and what team you land on. Come senior year, think Harrison can be as good as Reddick was?
Not sure what has happened to you lately Baldi, but most of your recent posts have been about basketball and have made a lot of sense. What is this place coming to?
Baldi is spot in at least 83% of the time. I usually post the big elephant in the room, some dudes cant handle the obvious. Reality blows! ;)
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JJ Reddick has found his niche in the NBA. If I remember correctly, alot of us didnt think he'd stick. Its all about oppurtunity and what team you land on. Come senior year, think Harrison can be as good as Reddick was?
Not sure what has happened to you lately Baldi, but most of your recent posts have been about basketball and have made a lot of sense. What is this place coming to?
Baldi is spot in at least 83% of the time. I usually post the big elephant in the room, some dudes cant handle the obvious. Reality blows! ;)
I would say 83% is a bit high. I'd put you in the high 50s, low 60s. If you were a professional hoops player, i'd compare you to Ben Wallace. Your a big, ugly, dumb dude who enjoys doing all the dirty work.
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JJ Reddick has found his niche in the NBA. If I remember correctly, alot of us didnt think he'd stick. Its all about oppurtunity and what team you land on. Come senior year, think Harrison can be as good as Reddick was?
Not sure what has happened to you lately Baldi, but most of your recent posts have been about basketball and have made a lot of sense. What is this place coming to?
Baldi is spot in at least 83% of the time. I usually post the big elephant in the room, some dudes cant handle the obvious. Reality blows! ;)
I would say 83% is a bit high. I'd put you in the high 50s, low 60s. If you were a professional hoops player, i'd compare you to Ben Wallace. Your a big, ugly, dumb dude who enjoys doing all the dirty work.
Although my facebook profile pic resembles Ben Wallace, I'd prefer Charles Oakley