6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => Recruiting Archives => Recruiting => 2012 Class => Topic started by: paultzman on April 23, 2012, 08:07:03 AM
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/04/23/josiah-turner-considering-st-johns/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/04/23/josiah-turner-considering-st-johns/)
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/04/23/josiah-turner-considering-st-johns/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/04/23/josiah-turner-considering-st-johns/)
Love Turner's potential, and getting him would be an embarrassment of riches to go along with Branch. If Lavin can convince Turner that he and Branch can successfully coexist, then IMO, that would be the most impressive recruiting move Lavin pulls off to date (with us).
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Young Josiah has some serious BB talents. When he signed on with UA all the comments from folks who knew him were very positive about the person he was (is).
As you all know, both UA and ASU have had recent problems keeping players, such as Josiah. I am not sure what the issues are, but when you have so many players leave these schools or think about leaving (or being dropped) there must be some internal causes.
Nevertheless, Josiah is a keeper. I hope Coach can sign him up for the 2013 season.
J. Carson is also floating out here in the desert some where.
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Young Josiah has some serious BB talents. When he signed on with UA all the comments from folks who knew him were very positive about the person he was (is).
As you all know, both UA and ASU have had recent problems keeping players, such as Josiah. I am not sure what the issues are, but when you have so many players leave these schools or think about leaving (or being dropped) there must be some internal causes.
Nevertheless, Josiah is a keeper. I hope Coach can sign him up for the 2013 season.
J. Carson is also floating out here in the desert some where.
Carson tppk classes at ASU all last year, he isn't going anywhere at least for time being/
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If we were to land Turner, would he be coming to school this year and be able to practice, and not play in games till 3013-14?
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If we were to land Turner, would he be coming to school this year and be able to practice, and not play in games till 3013-14?
Yes- fall 2013
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2013 sounds more like it. Who would want a 119 year old point guard in 3013.
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2013 sounds more like it. Who would want a 119 year old point guard in 3013.
1,021 year old PG actually lol.
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This scenario reminds me of mike Rosario down in Florida who sat the pine this year only to return back to all-American status next year. Even if deangelo and branch don't leave after next year I think they can all coexist together in the future.
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This scenario reminds me of mike Rosario down in Florida who sat the pine this year only to return back to all-American status next year. Even if deangelo and branch don't leave after next year I think they can all coexist together in the future.
Possibly..... but, if we do land Turner i predict Phil Greene may see the writing on the wall and look to transfer.
As far as having two pgs and a combo guard on the floor at same time, it could maybe work.
In any event, it would be a good problem to have
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I don't see Josiah effecting Branch's status nor Greene's. Josiah would come on board when those two are already upperclassmen. He can be worked into the guard rotation and we'd have another scoring PG out there. Not many backcourts in the country would be able to compete. Lavin would only recruit him if he thought he wouldn't be a problem. A worthwhile risk if a risk at all. Kid has amazing tools.
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I don't see Josiah effecting Branch's status nor Greene's. Josiah would come on board when those two are already upperclassmen. He can be worked into the guard rotation and we'd have another scoring PG out there. Not many backcourts in the country would be able to compete. Lavin would only recruit him if he thought he wouldn't be a problem. A worthwhile risk if a risk at all. Kid has amazing tools.
Precisely, Lavin's desire is to create a high tempo, full court approach with interchangeable pieces. This would work, or at least be well worth trying!
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When you talk to multiple people and the phrase "head case" keeps coming up - I say stay away.
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When you talk to multiple people and the phrase "head case" keeps coming up - I say stay away.
Seriously. Isn't the type of usage described above and Turner's reaction to it what got him and UA in trouble to begin with? The kid played 25 minutes per game but didn't like sharing time with fellow top rated freshman Nick Johnson and sr Kyle Fogg? Is that really so different than the situation he'd be moving to? Foggs now gone, is he getting scared off by Gabe York?
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Moose, you asked me on Max's site if I had "inside information" on Josiah. Well, as my information come from ASU via UA I cannot tell which is legit and which is misinformation.
Here is what I know. Josiah has a ton of talent. He clearly is coachable. Both UA and ASU seem to have been hit hard in recent years with players either leaving or being dismissed. So I do not know if the "coachable" issue is more related to the school and the coaches. Probably, a combination!
A key point mentioned to me was Josiah has no problem playing in the east. Often FB and BB players from CA and AZ prefer to stay in the west, which may be a natural thing. See our own D. Poole!
We may have two strong connections with Josiah- his relationships with Sir Dom and Jakaar and Coach's own west coach background. But, hey, who knows.
This kid can flat our play, so Coach give him your "A" game recruiting effort. Like I have to tell Coach that! Sorry, Coach!
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Someone on the Arizona board is saying that Turner is visiting St. Johns this weekend. Anyone know if there is any truth to that?
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Someone on the Arizona board is saying that Turner is visiting St. Johns this weekend. Anyone know if there is any truth to that?
Really....LOL!!!
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Could be wrong. I haven't seen any mention of it any where other than on that message board.
http://www.pointguardu.com/f2/josiah-turner-64791/ (http://www.pointguardu.com/f2/josiah-turner-64791/)
Also said he has interest from us, Missouri, Iona, SMU,New Mexico, and Louisville.
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Could be wrong. I haven't seen any mention of it any where other than on that message board.
http://www.pointguardu.com/f2/josiah-turner-64791/ (http://www.pointguardu.com/f2/josiah-turner-64791/)
Also said he has interest from us, Missouri, Iona, SMU,New Mexico, and Louisville.
To be fair you are right about the visit part. Nothing definite before.
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What the heck is going on????
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What the heck is going on????
Thats what happens when a random poster's post on a random site is thought of as news
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What the heck is going on????
Thats what happens when a random poster's post on a random site is thought of as news
I didn't realize that I stated it as fact. I actually asked to see if anyone knew if there was any truth to it being that it came from a message board.
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“@AdamZagoria: Josiah Turner may visit #stjbb this weekend, sources confirm to @SNYtv. Will confirm later if it's set.”
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What the heck is going on????
Thats what happens when a random poster's post on a random site is thought of as news
Welcome to message boards
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What the heck is going on????
Maybe the NCAA has given Us an extra scholarship
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What the heck is going on????
Thats what happens when a random poster's post on a random site is thought of as news
And Fordham confirmed it. My question was whats going on with all the visits especially at positions of strength with minimal ships left.
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if we cut out the BS, it appears he is coming for a visit. Once confirmed, we will go from there. Let's remind ourselves of where we were several months ago. Things have evolved nicely.
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If you want to go the Final Four, you need more than 2 great guards. Greene's game really improved towards the end of the season. His defense is strong. I see him developing into a Paris Horne type with stronger ball skills. You need guys like that. Harrison's strength isn't his defense.
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If you want to go the Final Four, you need more than 2 great guards. Greene's game really improved towards the end of the season. His defense is strong. I see him developing into a Paris Horne type with stronger ball skills. You need guys like that. Harrison's strength isn't his defense.
True enough. Guards dominate college basketball. (In a typical season).
But if you're Turner why are you interested in St Johns right now? Wouldn't you want to go someplace with young talent who is just missing a pg? (like us last year, before Branch came). Unless he's sure D'angelo is going pro, it just seems like he wouldn't want to risk the playing time.
I mean if you have the choice to go anywhere, you'd pick a school that needed a pg right?
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If you want to go the Final Four, you need more than 2 great guards. Greene's game really improved towards the end of the season. His defense is strong. I see him developing into a Paris Horne type with stronger ball skills. You need guys like that. Harrison's strength isn't his defense.
I endorse this post.
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If you want to go the Final Four, you need more than 2 great guards. Greene's game really improved towards the end of the season. His defense is strong. I see him developing into a Paris Horne type with stronger ball skills. You need guys like that. Harrison's strength isn't his defense.
True enough. Guards dominate college basketball. (In a typical season).
But if you're Turner why are you interested in St Johns right now? Wouldn't you want to go someplace with young talent who is just missing a pg? (like us last year, before Branch came). Unless he's sure D'angelo is going pro, it just seems like he wouldn't want to risk the playing time.
I mean if you have the choice to go anywhere, you'd pick a school that needed a pg right?
then whyd rosario go to florida with beal, walker and, boyton
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you guys think we might have pulled the trigger to quick on bourgault and/or hooper? with all these available guys now? we have 2 ships left for this year 1 for next right?
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you guys think we might have pulled the trigger to quick on bourgault and/or hooper? with all these available guys now? we have 2 ships left for this year 1 for next right?
I personally don't. We can't play against a zone. Well, except for Notre Dame's.
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If you want to go the Final Four, you need more than 2 great guards. Greene's game really improved towards the end of the season. His defense is strong. I see him developing into a Paris Horne type with stronger ball skills. You need guys like that. Harrison's strength isn't his defense.
True enough. Guards dominate college basketball. (In a typical season).
But if you're Turner why are you interested in St Johns right now? Wouldn't you want to go someplace with young talent who is just missing a pg? (like us last year, before Branch came). Unless he's sure D'angelo is going pro, it just seems like he wouldn't want to risk the playing time.
I mean if you have the choice to go anywhere, you'd pick a school that needed a pg right?
Well, CR, Moose and a whole of other posters have mentioned repeatedly over the years that great programs have a multitude of talented players at the same position. A kid like Josiah I am sure is in fact looking at potential playing time at the PG position. However, with his talent I am also sure that he is thinking about the next level, the NBA. We all know that Coach has one of the best staff's in the country when it comes to getting high talent players ready for the big time. If he comes east, Coach will bring him to MSG, and that is also impressive.
Josiah, by the way, bring me back a pie from Umberto's if you can.
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If you want to go the Final Four, you need more than 2 great guards. Greene's game really improved towards the end of the season. His defense is strong. I see him developing into a Paris Horne type with stronger ball skills. You need guys like that. Harrison's strength isn't his defense.
True enough. Guards dominate college basketball. (In a typical season).
But if you're Turner why are you interested in St Johns right now? Wouldn't you want to go someplace with young talent who is just missing a pg? (like us last year, before Branch came). Unless he's sure D'angelo is going pro, it just seems like he wouldn't want to risk the playing time.
I mean if you have the choice to go anywhere, you'd pick a school that needed a pg right?
then whyd rosario go to florida with beal, walker and, boyton
Good point. And yours as well Gumby.
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kind of bugs me we have this plethora of talent rolling into town in nolan, turner, goodman, wood and dont have enough ships to facilitate them. when just 2 weeks ago we did. a recruiting class of that sort would have been monster and top 5 worthy IMO
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kind of bugs me we have this plethora of talent rolling into town in nolan, turner, goodman, wood and dont have enough ships to facilitate them. when just 2 weeks ago we did. a recruiting class of that sort would have been monster and top 5 worthy IMO
no one has signed. lavin can and will do what's best for the team. the only scholarship committed IMO is Sampson. Everyone else is TBD.
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kind of bugs me we have this plethora of talent rolling into town in nolan, turner, goodman, wood and dont have enough ships to facilitate them. when just 2 weeks ago we did. a recruiting class of that sort would have been monster and top 5 worthy IMO
Wouldn't get them all to come without bottom depth chart players like Marco and Hooper.
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kind of bugs me we have this plethora of talent rolling into town in nolan, turner, goodman, wood and dont have enough ships to facilitate them. when just 2 weeks ago we did. a recruiting class of that sort would have been monster and top 5 worthy IMO
You need the Kyle Kurics and the Jakarr Sampsons. They play off each other. Sampson is more open down low because the defense must pay attention to Bourgault and Hooper. If you don't have a zone buster there is no reason to not zone us 24/7. As it stands now, Pointer, Garrett and Gift need serious work on their shooting. I hope they plan to spend the summer addressing it.
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kind of bugs me we have this plethora of talent rolling into town in nolan, turner, goodman, wood and dont have enough ships to facilitate them. when just 2 weeks ago we did. a recruiting class of that sort would have been monster and top 5 worthy IMO
You need the Kyle Kurics and the Jakarr Sampsons. They play off each other. Sampson is more open down low because the defense must pay attention to Bourgault and Hooper. If you don't have a zone buster there is no reason to not zone us 24/7. As it stands now, Pointer, Garrett and Gift need serious work on their shooting. I hope they plan to spend the summer addressing it.
Well Garrett will be working on his curveball
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Decent article and video of Josiah. Saga does give one pause!
“@ECoastBias: The long and winding road of Josiah Turner #stjbb http://t.co/8Z8PMUEa (http://t.co/8Z8PMUEa)”
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I wonder could we run Branch, Turner, Harrison, Sampson and Sanchez?
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Both Branch and Turner played against us at the Garden this year, correct? The lure of playing home games at MSG!
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I wonder could we run Branch, Turner, Harrison, Sampson and Sanchez?
If we played man in the half court yes. Those are three tough, strong guards. And of course scoring would not be a problem.
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Hey let's not forget that DOM POINTER was the highest ranked recruit that we got...I would not count him out as improving so much as to demand starting spot in 2 years, even if we added Turner and Harrison and Jakarr stuck around.
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Hey let's not forget that DOM POINTER was the highest ranked recruit that we got...I would not count him out as improving so much as to demand starting spot in 2 years, even if we added Turner and Harrison and Jakarr stuck around.
Dom Pointer is a pretty good comparison in terms of production. I actually think Dom will take a big step forward because of the addition of Branch.
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And Fordham confirmed it. My question was whats going on with all the visits especially at positions of strength with minimal ships left.
If everyone stays for 2013-14, I count 13 (12, if Hooper's dad wants to foot the bill):
Wood
Branch
Turner
Greene
Harrison
Garrett
Pointer
Bourgault
Sanchez
Sampson
Nolan
Chandler
Hooper
I think Lavin will be looking to stick Nolan and Wood at the same postgrad school next season. And I'm starting to think Balamou might not be in the cards.
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And Fordham confirmed it. My question was whats going on with all the visits especially at positions of strength with minimal ships left.
If everyone stays for 2013-14, I count 13 (12, if Hooper's dad wants to foot the bill):
Wood
Branch
Turner
Greene
Harrison
Garrett
Pointer
Bourgault
Sanchez
Sampson
Nolan
Chandler
Hooper
I think Lavin will be looking to stick Nolan and Wood at the same postgrad school next season. And I'm starting to think Balamou might not be in the cards.
I like your optimism. What comes next pick the Starting Five for 2014-2015?
Seriously, does Felix become the Dwight M. for this year's class?
We went from complaining about no word from Coach on recruits, to getting a few verbals, to a potential parade of "stars" arriving on campus in a week or so, to possibly dropping some verbals and a starter from last year. It certainly is not a boring time on JJ.
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I don't know why people keep hating on Balamou, dude seems like a good prospect especially with this bunch.
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I don't know why people keep hating on Balamou, dude seems like a good prospect especially with this bunch.
The kid is super underrated and undervalued. Aside from Jakarr I like him the most out of who've we've got so far.
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We went from complaining about no word from Coach on recruits, to getting a few verbals, to a potential parade of "stars" arriving on campus in a week or so, to possibly dropping some verbals and a starter from last year. It certainly is not a boring time on JJ.
Best recap of the day!
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Both Branch and Turner played against us at the Garden this year, correct? The lure of playing home games at MSG!
Must have been the U of Gay chants that peaked Josiah's interest
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We went from complaining about no word from Coach on recruits, to getting a few verbals, to a potential parade of "stars" arriving on campus in a week or so, to possibly dropping some verbals and a starter from last year. It certainly is not a boring time on JJ.
Best recap of the day!
Yeah well we haven't gotten a commitment today, what did coach Lavin and his staff go back on vacation or something?
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Sorry if this was asked already, how can he be eligible next year if he played at Arizona last year?
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Sorry if this was asked already, how can he be eligible next year if he played at Arizona last year?
no
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I don't know why people keep hating on Balamou, dude seems like a good prospect especially with this bunch.
I'm not hating on him, and I was excited when Moose saw him and thought he looked really good. But it's been pretty quiet on the Balamou front, and with rumors of Wood and Turner possibly in the mix, he might be getting squeezed. When he signs that LOI I'll change my prediction. I think if Turner wants in, he's in. Which shifts Balamou to fifth guard if Harrison returns.
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I don't know why people keep hating on Balamou, dude seems like a good prospect especially with this bunch.
Definitely. He seems to be a project and if we keep bringing guys in we'll need someone like that
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Both Branch and Turner played against us at the Garden this year, correct? The lure of playing home games at MSG!
Must have been the U of Gay chants that peaked Josiah's interest
He is from Sacramento. Lots of hillbillies up there.
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We went from complaining about no word from Coach on recruits, to getting a few verbals, to a potential parade of "stars" arriving on campus in a week or so, to possibly dropping some verbals and a starter from last year. It certainly is not a boring time on JJ.
Best recap of the day!
Yeah well we haven't gotten a commitment today, what did coach Lavin and his staff go back on vacation or something?
Nice! Icing on the cake!
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I don't know why people keep hating on Balamou, dude seems like a good prospect especially with this bunch.
The kid is super underrated and undervalued. Aside from Jakarr I like him the most out of who've we've got so far.
Id put him behind sanchez as well but I agree the kid is real good and real underrated.
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Has anyone been able to confirm if he is visiting this weekend?
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“@AdamZagoria: Josiah Turner won't visit #stjbb this weekend, sources confirm to @SNYtv”
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Has anyone been able to confirm if he is visiting this weekend?
Apparently he isn't.
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Has anyone been able to confirm if he is visiting this weekend?
Apparently he isn't.
Stopped in beautiful downtown New Rochelle first?
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Has anyone been able to confirm if he is visiting this weekend?
Apparently he isn't.
Stopped in beautiful downtown New Rochelle first?
English as a 2nd language :)
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“@AdamZagoria: Justin Raffington, @DarrickWood & Phil Nolan expected at #stjbb this wknd...Josiah Turner expected after his final exams,sources tell @SNYtv”
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Has anyone been able to confirm if he is visiting this weekend?
Apparently he isn't.
Stopped in beautiful downtown New Rochelle first?
English as a 2nd language :)
Im im this dude, Im going to Iona. Play zero D,Sledege moves over to the 2, Armand at the 3 with Parga off the bench. No way Lavin returns this call
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If your one of the top recruits in the nation in a given year, why wouldn't you go play in a conference where you play high major talent all the time, gain greater exposure, and have your chance to prove your game night-in, night-out, against guys who will actually end up playing in the NBA? Sledge makes some sense, given that he went to a team in a big conference and didn't get PT as a freshman (and is from the area), but Turner was ranked as one of the top guards overall in his class.
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And why is playing no D a selling point to someone who ultimately wants to play in the NBA, where teams are valuing defense more and more through advanced metrics analysis, etc.
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“@AdamZagoria: Justin Raffington, @DarrickWood & Phil Nolan expected at #stjbb this wknd...Josiah Turner expected after his final exams,sources tell @SNYtv”
Why is j raggington coming anywhere near our campus?
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“@AdamZagoria: Justin Raffington, @DarrickWood & Phil Nolan expected at #stjbb this wknd...Josiah Turner expected after his final exams,sources tell @SNYtv”
Why is j raggington coming anywhere near our campus?
To drive up interest
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I do not fully know the BB abilities of the guys still open to us like many of you do. However, from just reading the posts over the past few weeks, and please foregive my academic leaning, I would grade (in terms of BB skills) our potential recruits this way:
* Turner A+
* Chandler A+
* Wood (AKA Woods by some posters) A
* Nolan B+
* Raffington B
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I do not fully know the BB abilities of the guys still open to us like many of you do. However, from just reading the posts over the past few weeks, and please foregive my academic leaning, I would grade (in terms of BB skills) our potential recruits this way:
* Turner A+
* Chandler A+
* Wood (AKA Woods by some posters) A
* Nolan B+
* Raffington B
Your being WAY too generous to Raffington
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There has to be some possibility Raffington could be added here.
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There has to be some possibility Raffington could be added here.
I don't see it. I think its Lavin doing a solid for him/USF (his dad's alma mater). Its Chandler, Nolan, Rhoomes, and either going another late flier direction or stashing the ship before Raffington I truly think.
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There has to be some possibility Raffington could be added here.
I don't see it. I think its Lavin doing a solid for him/USF (his dad's alma mater). Its Chandler, Nolan, Rhoomes, and either going another late flier direction or stashing the ship before Raffington I truly think.
+1
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Visited Iona today and met the mayor of New Rochelle, dined at Finbaar's Pub on North Avenue and drove up and down the Major Deegan Expressway. Rumored to be touring Baldi's apartment tomorrow. IMO, we won't get this kid. Grasso strikes again!
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Visited Iona today and met the mayor of New Rochelle, dined at Finbaar's Pub on North Avenue and drove up and down the Major Deegan Expressway. Rumored to be touring Baldi's apartment tomorrow. IMO, we won't get this kid. Grasso strikes again!
HAHA. Would be strange if Momo is hosting him
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I thought he wasnt visiting us because of finals?
Or was your whole post a joke?
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I thought he wasnt visiting us because of finals?
Or was your whole post a joke?
Joke man!
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Every recruiting thread on here has become a joke......
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Every recruiting thread on here has become a joke......
cranky pants
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Paultzman's post was hilarious.
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Paultzman's post was hilarious.
Paultzman has owned the board as of late, great job outta him
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Paultzman's post was hilarious.
Paultzman has owned the board as of late, great job outta him
Thx man. I know you have a sick sense of humor like me!
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Alex Kline says he's here with Nolan, Wood and Ruffingworth.
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Assuming this is incorrect. Alex occasionally wrong. Thought I would post this from an hour ago. Sought clarication, but still waiting.
“@TheRecruitScoop: St. John's has San Francisco transfer Justin Raggington, Arizona transfer Josiah Turner & 2012's Darrick Wood & Phil Nolan on campus.”
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Paultzman's post was hilarious.
Paultzman has owned the board as of late, great job outta him
I agree. Paultzman has been the board's MVP.
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This kid thought he would be a one and done player at Arizona. It did not work out and he was not showing for class. He was in trouble in high school after being given a plethora of chances. I say Iona and SJU should pass on him. Neither team needs a potential cancer.
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Paultzman's post was hilarious.
Paultzman has owned the board as of late, great job outta him
I agree. Paultzman has been the board's MVP.
Absolutely. Bringing it every day.
So has anyone heard if Turner is indeed on campus?
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Paultzman's post was hilarious.
Paultzman has owned the board as of late, great job outta him
I agree. Paultzman has been the board's MVP.
Absolutely. Bringing it every day.
So has anyone heard if Turner is indeed on campus?
Heard from Tim Dimas of SJU radio, who noted he was misinformed and not sure he is here. Believe he just retweeted Alex Kline post. All in all, don't think he is here.
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This kid thought he would be a one and done player at Arizona. It did not work out and he was not showing for class. He was in trouble in high school after being given a plethora of chances. I say Iona and SJU should pass on him. Neither team needs a potential cancer.
He has a year to prove himself. Unless he has a dying parent in NYC, the worst he'll be is a cancer in practice, not on the court. If he doesn't do what is asked of him, you boot him.
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I agree that we can't pass on Turner if available. A year sitting out -- lifting, practicing, getting to know our system, bonding, and generally getting hungry -- will turn him into a beast. Turner is a future pro.
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Paultzman is a funny dude. :2funny:
Re: Turner and grades
- With a year to sit out, Turner can -and should- focus on getting his grade situation in order, so he can definitely play next season.
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Still don't understand why this guy would even consider a lower level school like Iona...doesn't make sense. Probably not real interest...
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Would gift be able to go on academic ship? Along with hooper that frees up 2 ships
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Would gift be able to go on academic ship? Along with hooper that frees up 2 ships
I dont think so.
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Maybe Felix preps if both Josiah and Chandler commit (along with Nolan). It probably wouldn't hurt for him to get another year.
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This may answer a few questions
“@BrucePascoe: Former #arizonawildcats guard Josiah Turner arrested on suspicion of DUI by campus police: http://t.co/rBC01DME (http://t.co/rBC01DME)”
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This may answer a few questions
“@BrucePascoe: Former #arizonawildcats guard Josiah Turner arrested on suspicion of DUI by campus police: http://t.co/rBC01DME (http://t.co/rBC01DME)”
I say we stay away from this guy.
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This may answer a few questions
“@BrucePascoe: Former #arizonawildcats guard Josiah Turner arrested on suspicion of DUI by campus police: http://t.co/rBC01DME (http://t.co/rBC01DME)”
Goodbye
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This may answer a few questions
“@BrucePascoe: Former #arizonawildcats guard Josiah Turner arrested on suspicion of DUI by campus police: http://t.co/rBC01DME (http://t.co/rBC01DME)”
Goodbye
Absolutely. Also, makes things a bit clearer.
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Certainly time to move past Josiah. I don't want to convict him, but court of public opinion tells me we should pass.
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This may answer a few questions
“@BrucePascoe: Former #arizonawildcats guard Josiah Turner arrested on suspicion of DUI by campus police: http://t.co/rBC01DME (http://t.co/rBC01DME)”
What a dope (assuming it's true). He just blew most schools that would have had interest. His best hope now is a school like SDSU or New Mexico St takes a chance on him.
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This may answer a few questions
“@BrucePascoe: Former #arizonawildcats guard Josiah Turner arrested on suspicion of DUI by campus police: http://t.co/rBC01DME (http://t.co/rBC01DME)”
What a dope (assuming it's true). He just blew most schools that would have had interest. His best hope now is a school like SDSU or New Mexico St takes a chance on him.
Always IONA
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This may answer a few questions
“@BrucePascoe: Former #arizonawildcats guard Josiah Turner arrested on suspicion of DUI by campus police: http://t.co/rBC01DME (http://t.co/rBC01DME)”
What a dope (assuming it's true). He just blew most schools that would have had interest. His best hope now is a school like SDSU or New Mexico St takes a chance on him.
Always IONA
That visit to Baldi's apartment got him drinking!
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West Virginia should call him
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Me and Josiah, go back like babies and pacifiers.
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Shoulda visited st johns this weekend
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This may answer a few questions
“@BrucePascoe: Former #arizonawildcats guard Josiah Turner arrested on suspicion of DUI by campus police: http://t.co/rBC01DME (http://t.co/rBC01DME)”
Goodbye
What did Bill Parcells say about certain guys in the draft: "They remind you of May Day in the old Soviet Union." Meaning: Red Flags everywhere...LOL!!!
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This may answer a few questions
“@BrucePascoe: Former #arizonawildcats guard Josiah Turner arrested on suspicion of DUI by campus police: http://t.co/rBC01DME (http://t.co/rBC01DME)”
Goodbye
What did Bill Parcells say about certain guys in the draft: "They remind you of May Day in the old Soviet Union." Meaning: Red Flags everywhere...LOL!!!
Flags did not matter when it came to Taylor. I wonder if he tried to fix him, or just sent him out on Sundays. He might have been a good boy in College.
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I think his days of high major ball are over. He should go to St. Mary's. His family can drive down to see him, and a nice quiet campus may do wonders for his behavior.
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Guarantee he doesn't get a DUI if still under Miller control
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At least he didn't steal a taco. He went out like a man!
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so much potential............
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He should look at a school with an urban campus, with lot's of public transportation. I still want him.
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Guarantee he doesn't get a DUI if still under Miller control
+1
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Too bad!
We do have one of the thoughest DUI laws in the country. One drink and your are DUI!
Make no mistake, some major school will still go after Josiah. Talent, with problems, is always in demand.
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Jesus, you guys are way too tough on a teenager arrested for "suspicion" of DUI by campus police at the school he just publicly announced he was transferring from. You mean to tell me you guys never drove a single time when you shouldn't have?
He's under 21, and Arizona has a zero tolerance policy. Consuming soy sauce could have done the trick...who knows. Let he who has not driven with even a trace of alcohol in their system cast the first stone.
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You don't get pulled over for having one drink. Lets not speak lightly about drinking and driving. I know too many families torn apart because of DUIs.
That being said...I would love for Turner to be wearing red. But he would be on double secret probation as soon as he stepped on campus. Zero tolerance.
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Jesus, you guys are way too tough on a teenager arrested for "suspicion" of DUI by campus police at the school he just publicly announced he was transferring from. You mean to tell me you guys never drove a single time when you shouldn't have?
He's under 21, and Arizona has a zero tolerance policy. Consuming soy sauce could have done the trick...who knows. Let he who has not driven with even a trace of alcohol in their system cast the first stone.
Jayson Williams could he his student advisor. Thankfully, Jayson hasn't killed anyone while behind the wheel. Yet.
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Jesus, you guys are way too tough on a teenager arrested for "suspicion" of DUI by campus police at the school he just publicly announced he was transferring from. You mean to tell me you guys never drove a single time when you shouldn't have?
He's under 21, and Arizona has a zero tolerance policy. Consuming soy sauce could have done the trick...who knows. Let he who has not driven with even a trace of alcohol in their system cast the first stone.
+1 people make mistakes.
I don't mind saying it, I got a dwi myself, when I was younger. It can be a wakeup call for some people who think it's fine to drive after a few drinks. Hopefully Turner learns from this.
Taken in context with everything else in his life, it might be a sign to back off. I'll leave that up to Lavin. But on it's own this incident shouldn't be the sole basis for how we judge Turner.
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Jesus, you guys are way too tough on a teenager arrested for "suspicion" of DUI by campus police at the school he just publicly announced he was transferring from. You mean to tell me you guys never drove a single time when you shouldn't have?
He's under 21, and Arizona has a zero tolerance policy. Consuming soy sauce could have done the trick...who knows. Let he who has not driven with even a trace of alcohol in their system cast the first stone.
Maybe the reaction would be different if he didn't already have 8 strikes against him.
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Jesus, you guys are way too tough on a teenager arrested for "suspicion" of DUI by campus police at the school he just publicly announced he was transferring from. You mean to tell me you guys never drove a single time when you shouldn't have?
He's under 21, and Arizona has a zero tolerance policy. Consuming soy sauce could have done the trick...who knows. Let he who has not driven with even a trace of alcohol in their system cast the first stone.
Maybe the reaction would be different if he didn't already have 8 strikes against him.
Hello!! Plus 100
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Jesus, you guys are way too tough on a teenager arrested for "suspicion" of DUI by campus police at the school he just publicly announced he was transferring from. You mean to tell me you guys never drove a single time when you shouldn't have?
He's under 21, and Arizona has a zero tolerance policy. Consuming soy sauce could have done the trick...who knows. Let he who has not driven with even a trace of alcohol in their system cast the first stone.
Maybe the reaction would be different if he didn't already have 8 strikes against him.
Hello!! Plus 100
Exactly, duh....
You have several red flags against you already and perhaps you are preparing to get a second chance and you get this on your resume. Sorry that is a problem.
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Disappointed like everyone else with this news but agree that we move on. All things considered I'd go for Galan in 2013.
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At least he didn't steal a taco. He went out like a man!
Unfortunate circumstance but I'm crying right now from laughing from your post.
Funniest thing I've read in a while. LOL
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Not sure what his connection is again, but didn't someone say Rodriguez is radio personality in FL?
For what it's worth, he says..
Sergio Rodriguez @SRod021
#stjbb has J. Turner as #1 priority but after the DUI arrest felt that wood was safe bet and put the full court press on...
8:00 PM - 29 Apr 12
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Not sure what his connection is again, but didn't someone say Rodriguez is radio personality in FL?
For what it's worth, he says..
Sergio Rodriguez @SRod021
#stjbb has J. Turner as #1 priority but after the DUI arrest felt that wood was safe bet and put the full court press on...
8:00 PM - 29 Apr 12
I have doubts about this guy's message. Two different positions! And look at the timing! The whole week end was to be a "full court press". What did Coach due when he got the message about Josiah, say while driving Darrick to the airport, pull over on the LIE, lock the doors, and give Darrick the super hard Coach Lavin hard sell. We apparently wanted both.
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Not sure what his connection is again, but didn't someone say Rodriguez is radio personality in FL?
For what it's worth, he says..
Sergio Rodriguez @SRod021
#stjbb has J. Turner as #1 priority but after the DUI arrest felt that wood was safe bet and put the full court press on...
8:00 PM - 29 Apr 12
I have doubts about this guy's message. Two different positions! And look at the timing! The whole week end was to be a "full court press". What did Coach due when he got the message about Josiah, say while driving Darrick to the airport, pull over on the LIE, lock the doors, and give Darrick the super hard Coach Lavin hard sell. We apparently wanted both.
The guy is right. Staff wanted them both here at same time to see just how serious Josiah was. And we see how serious he was. Both would have been tough to swing especially with 2 big men still in sights.
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Not sure what his connection is again, but didn't someone say Rodriguez is radio personality in FL?
For what it's worth, he says..
Sergio Rodriguez @SRod021
#stjbb has J. Turner as #1 priority but after the DUI arrest felt that wood was safe bet and put the full court press on...
8:00 PM - 29 Apr 12
I have doubts about this guy's message. Two different positions!
Turner is a big PG with a score-first mentality. If Harrison left after next season, Turner would have been our SG. I'm sure Lavin would have kept repeating that we have two top PGs on the court at the same time, but Turner would have been the guy covering SGs, not Branch.
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Not sure what his connection is again, but didn't someone say Rodriguez is radio personality in FL?
For what it's worth, he says..
Sergio Rodriguez @SRod021
#stjbb has J. Turner as #1 priority but after the DUI arrest felt that wood was safe bet and put the full court press on...
8:00 PM - 29 Apr 12
I have doubts about this guy's message. Two different positions!
Turner is a big PG with a score-first mentality. If Harrison left after next season, Turner would have been our SG. I'm sure
Lavin would have kept repeating that we have two top PGs on the court at the same time, but Turner would have been the guy covering SGs, not Branch.
Harrison will leave after he graduates.
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Not sure what his connection is again, but didn't someone say Rodriguez is radio personality in FL?
For what it's worth, he says..
Sergio Rodriguez @SRod021
#stjbb has J. Turner as #1 priority but after the DUI arrest felt that wood was safe bet and put the full court press on...
8:00 PM - 29 Apr 12
I have doubts about this guy's message. Two different positions!
Turner is a big PG with a score-first mentality. If Harrison left after next season, Turner would have been our SG. I'm sure
Lavin would have kept repeating that we have two top PGs on the court at the same time, but Turner would have been the guy covering SGs, not Branch.
Harrison will leave after he graduates.
If someone has had in his head for years that he's two and out, he just may leave early even if everyone advises against it.
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I love DLo. He's not getting drafted.
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I love DLo. He's not getting drafted.
Youre right. 3/4s of this board will disagree, but he's too small and not athletic enough. Just look at Scottie Reynolds and Hardy, both BE player of the year type guys, yet they aren't sniffing the nba.
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I love DLo. He's not getting drafted.
Youre right. 3/4s of this board will disagree, but he's too small and not athletic enough. Just look at Scottie Reynolds and Hardy, both BE player of the year type guys, yet they aren't sniffing the nba.
Yup, the NBA is all about athleticism. DLo is going to be a phenomenal college basketball player, but unfortunately is not cut out for the league.
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I love DLo. He's not getting drafted.
Youre right. 3/4s of this board will disagree, but he's too small and not athletic enough. Just look at Scottie Reynolds and Hardy, both BE player of the year type guys, yet they aren't sniffing the nba.
Yup, the NBA is all about athleticism. DLo is going to be a phenomenal college basketball player, but unfortunately is not cut out for the league.
Hope we can all agree to disagree. BTW, have it on good authority from about 20 different schools message boards (and message board experts are ALWAYS the best barometers!) before the 2008 draft that this fat, slow, short, unathletic center from UCLA was an idiot for coming out early. This Love kid will never be more than a journeyman if he ever even sniffs the league at all.... :D
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I love DLo. He's not getting drafted.
Youre right. 3/4s of this board will disagree, but he's too small and not athletic enough. Just look at Scottie Reynolds and Hardy, both BE player of the year type guys, yet they aren't sniffing the nba.
Yup, the NBA is all about athleticism. DLo is going to be a phenomenal college basketball player, but unfortunately is not cut out for the league.
Hope we can all agree to disagree. BTW, have it on good authority from about 20 different schools message boards (and message board experts are ALWAYS the best barometers!) before the 2008 draft that this fat, slow, short, unathletic center from UCLA was an idiot for coming out early. This Love kid will never be more than a journeyman if he ever even sniffs the league at all.... :D
Not saying there aren't exceptions. Love exceeded all expectations. I'm just saying overall the NBA draft takes athleticism over skill for the most part. But Kevin Love is 6'10'' 260lbs. DLo is an undersized scoring 2 guard. He wont get drafted for the same reasons Dwight Hardy didn't get drafted.
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I love DLo. He's not getting drafted.
Youre right. 3/4s of this board will disagree, but he's too small and not athletic enough. Just look at Scottie Reynolds and Hardy, both BE player of the year type guys, yet they aren't sniffing the nba.
Yup, the NBA is all about athleticism. DLo is going to be a phenomenal college basketball player, but unfortunately is not cut out for the league.
Hope we can all agree to disagree. BTW, have it on good authority from about 20 different schools message boards (and message board experts are ALWAYS the best barometers!) before the 2008 draft that this fat, slow, short, unathletic center from UCLA was an idiot for coming out early. This Love kid will never be more than a journeyman if he ever even sniffs the league at all.... :D
Not saying there aren't exceptions. Love exceeded all expectations. I'm just saying overall the NBA draft takes athleticism over skill for the most part. But Kevin Love is 6'10'' 260lbs. DLo is an undersized scoring 2 guard. He wont get drafted for the same reasons Dwight Hardy didn't get drafted.
Love is 6'10" with three-inch soles.
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I love DLo. He's not getting drafted.
Youre right. 3/4s of this board will disagree, but he's too small and not athletic enough. Just look at Scottie Reynolds and Hardy, both BE player of the year type guys, yet they aren't sniffing the nba.
Yup, the NBA is all about athleticism. DLo is going to be a phenomenal college basketball player, but unfortunately is not cut out for the league.
Hope we can all agree to disagree. BTW, have it on good authority from about 20 different schools message boards (and message board experts are ALWAYS the best barometers!) before the 2008 draft that this fat, slow, short, unathletic center from UCLA was an idiot for coming out early. This Love kid will never be more than a journeyman if he ever even sniffs the league at all.... :D
Not saying there aren't exceptions. Love exceeded all expectations. I'm just saying overall the NBA draft takes athleticism over skill for the most part. But Kevin Love is 6'10'' 260lbs. DLo is an undersized scoring 2 guard. He wont get drafted for the same reasons Dwight Hardy didn't get drafted.
Love is 6'10" with three-inch soles.
Well, that's what he is listed at, but I agree he looks shorter.
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I love DLo. He's not getting drafted.
Youre right. 3/4s of this board will disagree, but he's too small and not athletic enough. Just look at Scottie Reynolds and Hardy, both BE player of the year type guys, yet they aren't sniffing the nba.
Yup, the NBA is all about athleticism. DLo is going to be a phenomenal college basketball player, but unfortunately is not cut out for the league.
Hope we can all agree to disagree. BTW, have it on good authority from about 20 different schools message boards (and message board experts are ALWAYS the best barometers!) before the 2008 draft that this fat, slow, short, unathletic center from UCLA was an idiot for coming out early. This Love kid will never be more than a journeyman if he ever even sniffs the league at all.... :D
Cr, I would never question your knowledge of the facts, but here I think you're missing the context of the debate. Love is a poor analogy. For one, he's 6'10; secondly he may have had his doubters but he was widely recognized as about as talented as you can be in the game of basketball; McDonald's all American, Gatorade player of the year in HS, Pac 10 player of the year, and an All American as a fresh, then a top 5 draft pick after his fresh year.... He's no Dangelo Harrison.
You don't HAVE to be athletic to make it in the league .... There are always exceptions as weve pointed out (eddie house etc) But there's a world of difference between Kevin Love and Harrison.
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I love DLo. He's not getting drafted.
Youre right. 3/4s of this board will disagree, but he's too small and not athletic enough. Just look at Scottie Reynolds and Hardy, both BE player of the year type guys, yet they aren't sniffing the nba.
Yup, the NBA is all about athleticism. DLo is going to be a phenomenal college basketball player, but unfortunately is not cut out for the league.
Hope we can all agree to disagree. BTW, have it on good authority from about 20 different schools message boards (and message board experts are ALWAYS the best barometers!) before the 2008 draft that this fat, slow, short, unathletic center from UCLA was an idiot for coming out early. This Love kid will never be more than a journeyman if he ever even sniffs the league at all.... :D
Not saying there aren't exceptions. Love exceeded all expectations. I'm just saying overall the NBA draft takes athleticism over skill for the most part. But Kevin Love is 6'10'' 260lbs. DLo is an undersized scoring 2 guard. He wont get drafted for the same reasons Dwight Hardy didn't get drafted.
Love is 6'10" with three-inch soles.
Well, that's what he is listed at, but I agree he looks shorter.
Just looked up his height from his pre-draft physical: 6'7.75", so I was a little off.
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Jesus, you guys are way too tough on a teenager arrested for "suspicion" of DUI by campus police at the school he just publicly announced he was transferring from. You mean to tell me you guys never drove a single time when you shouldn't have?
He's under 21, and Arizona has a zero tolerance policy. Consuming soy sauce could have done the trick...who knows. Let he who has not driven with even a trace of alcohol in their system cast the first stone.
Jayson Williams could he his student advisor. Thankfully, Jayson hasn't killed anyone while behind the wheel. Yet.
No JW hires a designated driver and then he shoots and kills them.
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I love DLo. He's not getting drafted.
Youre right. 3/4s of this board will disagree, but he's too small and not athletic enough. Just look at Scottie Reynolds and Hardy, both BE player of the year type guys, yet they aren't sniffing the nba.
Yup, the NBA is all about athleticism. DLo is going to be a phenomenal college basketball player, but unfortunately is not cut out for the league.
Hope we can all agree to disagree. BTW, have it on good authority from about 20 different schools message boards (and message board experts are ALWAYS the best barometers!) before the 2008 draft that this fat, slow, short, unathletic center from UCLA was an idiot for coming out early. This Love kid will never be more than a journeyman if he ever even sniffs the league at all.... :D
Not saying there aren't exceptions. Love exceeded all expectations. I'm just saying overall the NBA draft takes athleticism over skill for the most part. But Kevin Love is 6'10'' 260lbs. DLo is an undersized scoring 2 guard. He wont get drafted for the same reasons Dwight Hardy didn't get drafted.
Love is 6'10" with three-inch soles.
Well, that's what he is listed at, but I agree he looks shorter.
Just looked up his height from his pre-draft physical: 6'7.75", so I was a little off.
Definitely shorter than his Topps card says, but even with the criticism that he was short and unathletic... Lovd was a different level talent than D'lo.
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I love DLo. He's not getting drafted.
Youre right. 3/4s of this board will disagree, but he's too small and not athletic enough. Just look at Scottie Reynolds and Hardy, both BE player of the year type guys, yet they aren't sniffing the nba.
Yup, the NBA is all about athleticism. DLo is going to be a phenomenal college basketball player, but unfortunately is not cut out for the league.
Hope we can all agree to disagree. BTW, have it on good authority from about 20 different schools message boards (and message board experts are ALWAYS the best barometers!) before the 2008 draft that this fat, slow, short, unathletic center from UCLA was an idiot for coming out early. This Love kid will never be more than a journeyman if he ever even sniffs the league at all.... :D
Not saying there aren't exceptions. Love exceeded all expectations. I'm just saying overall the NBA draft takes athleticism over skill for the most part. But Kevin Love is 6'10'' 260lbs. DLo is an undersized scoring 2 guard. He wont get drafted for the same reasons Dwight Hardy didn't get drafted.
Love is 6'10" with three-inch soles.
Well, that's what he is listed at, but I agree he looks shorter.
Just looked up his height from his pre-draft physical: 6'7.75", so I was a little off.
Definitely shorter than his Topps card says, but even with the criticism that he was short and unathletic... Lovd was a different level talent than D'lo.
I'm definitely not arguing that. He's headed toward becoming one of the greatest PFs of all time.
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I love DLo. He's not getting drafted.
Youre right. 3/4s of this board will disagree, but he's too small and not athletic enough. Just look at Scottie Reynolds and Hardy, both BE player of the year type guys, yet they aren't sniffing the nba.
Yup, the NBA is all about athleticism. DLo is going to be a phenomenal college basketball player, but unfortunately is not cut out for the league.
Hope we can all agree to disagree. BTW, have it on good authority from about 20 different schools message boards (and message board experts are ALWAYS the best barometers!) before the 2008 draft that this fat, slow, short, unathletic center from UCLA was an idiot for coming out early. This Love kid will never be more than a journeyman if he ever even sniffs the league at all.... :D
Cr, I would never question your knowledge of the facts, but here I think you're missing the context of the debate. Love is a poor analogy. For one, he's 6'10; secondly he may have had his doubters but he was widely recognized as about as talented as you can be in the game of basketball; McDonald's all American, Gatorade player of the year in HS, Pac 10 player of the year, and an All American as a fresh, then a top 5 draft pick after his fresh year.... He's no Dangelo Harrison.
You don't HAVE to be athletic to make it in the league .... There are always exceptions as weve pointed out (eddie house etc) But there's a world of difference between Kevin Love and Harrison.
I agree a lot will depend on the measurements. Buckets meaured 6'0 1/4 at the predraft. St. Johns and Dulles High listed Harrison at 6'3 with shoes, and 202 lbs. That's Steph Curry, Monte Ellis, Jarryd Bayless, Luther Head, Nolan Smith, Andre Goudelock, Charlie Bell, Eric Gordon size - IF that's the measurement at the combine.
Harrison averaged 17 pts and shot 37% on 3s last season. Howver, he closed out the season strong - his last 14 games it was 20.1 pts per game and 42% (44-104). If he maintains those 2nd half numbers thru next season, I think he will be gone (and with Moe gone, and a year more experience, I expect his output to go up). I think he's better than Malcolm Lee, the TWolves rookie 2nd rounder from UCLA - who scored less, shot worse from 3, worse from the FT line, and had less assists as a JUNIOR than D'angelo had as a Frosh...Lee IS 1 inch taller, but almost 10 lbs lighter....Malcolm got a guaranteed contract with the TWolves and is getting about 13 mintues a game off the bench this year.
One question tho. What the flock are we doing up at this hour???? :)
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One question tho. What the flock are we doing up at this hour???? :)
I'm on the West Coast. The rest of you guys are just freaks discussing basketball at 3 a.m. ;D
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Jayson Williams could he his student advisor. Thankfully, Jayson hasn't killed anyone while behind the wheel. Yet.
No JW hires a designated driver and then he shoots and kills them.
Its sad that either of you would bring this up in the context of this thread. Do you feel good about yourselves that you have gotten a laugh from a few people.
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Jayson Williams could he his student advisor. Thankfully, Jayson hasn't killed anyone while behind the wheel. Yet.
No JW hires a designated driver and then he shoots and kills them.
Its sad that either of you would bring this up in the context of this thread. Do you feel good about yourselves that you have
gotten a laugh from a few people.
It's sad that you are sad
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Why is Lavin recruiting Turner if this team is supposedly Jamal Branch's? If Branch is going to be the man, than I'm assuming Greene is the backup? Not a ton of minutes to be had a SG. I think someone is out
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Why is Lavin recruiting Turner if this team is supposedly Jamal Branch's? If Branch is going to be the man, than I'm assuming Greene is the backup? Not a ton of minutes to be had a SG. I think someone is out
If he brought in Turner he would have in 13 two PG's both upperclassmen leading a very talented bunch. And you wouldn't need a PG until 2015 probably.
But its a moot point because he isn't recruiting him anymore.
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Gotcha thanks. Not sure why he was being brought in in the first place.
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Gotcha thanks. Not sure why he was being brought in in the first place.
First off he was one of the best PGs in HS.
Second, he would have given Coach another potentially great PG to run the team. As you know, many of the top teams have several really good players at the same position. See CR's many posts on that point.
Third, he has the scoring potential to move over to the SG position. Thus, giving Coach more scoring options, especially if Harrison leaves after his sophomore year.
Four, if Coach really wanted him, a way would have found, scholarship-wise, like with our discussions over taking in two "Bigs" with only one opening on paper.
But alas, it probably was not meant to be. Josiah should play some JC ball next season and then possibly play a season at a high college level to see if he can make the NBA. I still can see some school reaching out for him.
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Why is Lavin recruiting Turner if this team is supposedly Jamal Branch's? If Branch is going to be the man, than I'm assuming Greene is the backup? Not a ton of minutes to be had a SG. I think someone is out
All I can say is: Lavin with frosh PG Baron Davis and PG Earl Watson, and Penn State starting PG Moose Bailey as a transfer, and SGs Billy Knight, Rico Hines and Todd Ramasar all in the same class back in '98! :)
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Why is Lavin recruiting Turner if this team is supposedly Jamal Branch's? If Branch is going to be the man, than I'm assuming Greene is the backup? Not a ton of minutes to be had a SG. I think someone is out
All I can say is: Lavin with frosh PG Baron Davis and PG Earl Watson, and Penn State starting PG Moose Bailey as a transfer, and SGs Billy Knight, Rico Hines and Todd Ramasar all in the same class back in '98! :)
CR, we at St. John's have felt lucky in the past to have one good player at a position. The concept of possibly have two good players at a position is still new to us. If we are to ever reach the heights of KU, UK, Duke, even your UCLA, we need a bunch of good players. We need as much talent as we can get. Let the Coach sort out the playing times for each guy.
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The whole Harrison/Hardy too small thing is definitely valid. But I feel like Hardy will get some looks this summer.
Also it's too early to tell for Harrison, dude could be one of the best in college basketball, he has one year under his belt. He will have his shot to make it.
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The whole Harrison/Hardy too small thing is definitely valid. But I feel like Hardy will get some looks this summer.
Also it's too early to tell for Harrison, dude could be one of the best in college basketball, he has one year under his belt. He will have his shot to make it.
No one is saying that Harrison won't ever play in the league. I think he might. What everyone who knows the game is saying is that he's not a threat to leave early, unless he's absolutely insane.
He could tear it up in the D league after he graduates and get a look from a team that needs a shooter.
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Unfortunately guys like DLo and a Gerry McNamara never really get a sniff. DLo will probably be the career scoring leader at St Johns if he stays 4 years but at his size the NBA wants foot speed which he doesn't have.
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Getting back to Turner, can't imagine too many AD's or School Presidents allowing a coach to give him a scholarship at this point. He will likely need to go Juco route for a year and rehab his image first and if he stays clean of trouble, some school is going to get a great player who can step right in and lead them to tourney.
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Again, I'm the biggest Harrison fan out there, but Harrison is not just too small...he's also too slow. I think Wood has a MUCH better chance to play in the NBA if the listed height of 6'5 is accurate.
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Hearing Josiah Turner may land at SMU, sources told @SNYtv
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Unfortunately guys like DLo and a Gerry McNamara never really get a sniff. DLo will probably be the career scoring leader at St Johns if he stays 4 years but at his size the NBA wants foot speed which he doesn't have.
DLo's PT is going to go down significantly this year. This year will be a true test for him. Now, if he's not playing well, he could ride the bench. And he's a hot head, so we'll see how he responds.
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Unfortunately guys like DLo and a Gerry McNamara never really get a sniff. DLo will probably be the career scoring leader at St Johns if he stays 4 years but at his size the NBA wants foot speed which he doesn't have.
DLo's PT is going to go down significantly this year. This year will be a true test for him. Now, if he's not playing well, he could ride the bench. And he's a hot head, so we'll see how he responds.
D'Lo is an All Big East player and our leader. Lavin wants him on the court as much as possible. He'll get more breaks to catch his breath this year, but will still get majority time.
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Getting back to Turner, can't imagine too many AD's or School Presidents allowing a coach to give him a scholarship at this point. He will likely need to go Juco route for a year and rehab his image first and if he stays clean of trouble, some school is going to get a great player who can step right in and lead them to tourney.
No way he goes the JUCO route. I know what you mean - and we might advise OUR program to stay away from him, but there's always somebody out there who will take a chance on a kid this talented.
.. and apparently Larry Brown is one of those people.
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Unfortunately guys like DLo and a Gerry McNamara never really get a sniff. DLo will probably be the career scoring leader at St Johns if he stays 4 years but at his size the NBA wants foot speed which he doesn't have.
DLo's PT is going to go down significantly this year. This year will be a true test for him. Now, if he's not playing well, he
could ride the bench. And he's a hot head, so we'll see how he responds.
There's no reason for him to play less. Maybe he'll get a breather more often, but I see 32-35 minutes per game. He's the man now. No question about it, this is DLo's team. I think he'll be the BE POY.
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Unfortunately guys like DLo and a Gerry McNamara never really get a sniff. DLo will probably be the career scoring leader at St Johns if he stays 4 years but at his size the NBA wants foot speed which he doesn't have.
DLo's PT is going to go down significantly this year. This year will be a true test for him. Now, if he's not playing well, he
could ride the bench. And he's a hot head, so we'll see how he responds.
There's no reason for him to play less. Maybe he'll get a breather more often, but I see 32-35 minutes per game. He's the man now. No question about it, this is DLo's team. I think he'll be the BE POY.
D'Lo is a killer. This season he has help up front, and on the bench. Nobody wants D'lo in front of them in opposite colors.
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“@AdamZagoria: Josiah Turner Likely Headed to SMU http://t.co/ekEH9qYJ (http://t.co/ekEH9qYJ)”
“@GoodmanCBS: Arizona transfer Josiah Turner plans to visit SMU and Larry Brown on Wednesday, source told CBSSports.”
Josiah not driving!
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Wow, talk about a statement by brown. Kick off good kids(from what I read) who are less talented only to bring in a head case with a boat load of talent. Guys on this board killed Lavin for asking kids to leave and taking chances on kids who had elgibility questions. Just goes to show you that winning comes first and then there's everything else. I know this kid is not elgible to play right away so this move is all about winning when they come to big east. High risk high reward. Brown like Lavin knows how to win and if it means bringing in guys like turner and Lavin with Lindsey, sometimes it backfires and if it does these guys know there will be others to help build a winning program.
these coaches want their own players even if it means the dismissal of kids who want to be at that particular program.
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Man makes sense!
“@franfraschilla: Would be really surprised if SMU follows though on Josiah Turner transfer after recent troubles at Arizona. Not worth it, IMO.”
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Man makes sense!
“@franfraschilla: Would be really surprised if SMU follows though on Josiah Turner transfer after recent troubles at Arizona. Not worth it, IMO.”
Why do I have this sneaking suspicion that if Fran actually still HAD a D-1 coaching gig, HE'D be on Turner like a fly on a cow-pattie?
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Why do I have this sneaking suspicion that if Fran actually still HAD a D-1 coaching gig, HE'D be on Turner like a fly on a cow-pattie?
And fighting the head coach of FAU, both of them supremely confident in their leadership skills. However, I do get the sense that the difference between those two coaches is that Fran looked in the mirror at some point and realized how much better a person he was connected to hoops but not responsible for a won-loss record.
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Man makes sense!
“@franfraschilla: Would be really surprised if SMU follows though on Josiah Turner transfer after recent troubles at Arizona. Not worth it, IMO.”
Why do I have this sneaking suspicion that if Fran actually still HAD a D-1 coaching gig, HE'D be on Turner like a fly on a cow-pattie?
I think more likely a coach on the hot seat is prone to take a risk rather than a new hire. Yes Fran would think long and hard about it
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That's probably only one of the reasons why he hasn't been able to get another job
Good coach but a real knucklehead
Better as a commentator. I like his work on ESPN
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Unfortunately guys like DLo and a Gerry McNamara never really get a sniff. DLo will probably be the career scoring leader at St Johns if he stays 4 years but at his size the NBA wants foot speed which he doesn't have.
DLo's PT is going to go down significantly this year. This year will be a true test for him. Now, if he's not playing well, he could ride the bench. And he's a hot head, so we'll see how he responds.
Nasty to talk about the kid like that. Why you starting trouble?
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We now have a balanced squad, and capable players off the bench. IMO DLO and Sampson are going to get the most PT on the team.
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Like my grams say... when the bluebird lands in your yard, you best not shoo it away.
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Like my grams say... when the bluebird lands in your yard, you best not shoo it away.
Haha awesome choz!
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We now have a balanced squad, and capable players off the bench. IMO DLO and Sampson are going to get the most PT on the team.
We will be truly balanced once Phil and Michael join our family.
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I love DLo. He's not getting drafted.
Youre right. 3/4s of this board will disagree, but he's too small and not athletic enough. Just look at Scottie Reynolds and Hardy, both BE player of the year type guys, yet they aren't sniffing the nba.
Yup, the NBA is all about athleticism. DLo is going to be a phenomenal college basketball player, but unfortunately is not cut out for the league.
Hope we can all agree to disagree. BTW, have it on good authority from about 20 different schools message boards (and message board experts are ALWAYS the best barometers!) before the 2008 draft that this fat, slow, short, unathletic center from UCLA was an idiot for coming out early. This Love kid will never be more than a journeyman if he ever even sniffs the league at all.... :D
Not saying there aren't exceptions. Love exceeded all expectations. I'm just saying overall the NBA draft takes athleticism over skill for the most part. But Kevin Love is 6'10'' 260lbs. DLo is an undersized scoring 2 guard. He wont get drafted for the same reasons Dwight Hardy didn't get drafted.
Love is 6'10" with three-inch soles.
Well, that's what he is listed at, but I agree he looks shorter.
Just looked up his height from his pre-draft physical: 6'7.75", so I was a little off.
thats with no shoes on, everyone in the nba is listed by their height with shoes
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Still a lie. Do your sneakers add 2.25" to your height?
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Per Goodman, Turner to SMU.
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Per Goodman, Turner to SMU.
It would have been nice but then again may have caused issues with our current players.
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Great pickup for SMU. The transfer game is so huge for schools not named UNC, Duke, or UK. I'm glad to Lavin involved the last year and a half with Turner, Branch, and Momo.
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I am glad too, because Lavin sees that kids with at least a years experience can be instant contributors. Yes in most cases kids have to sit a year but you saw in the branch case he made our guards better by just practicing with them day in and day out. These transfers and juco kids will never not be an option with staff but as the seasons go on, Lavin and company will be bringing in majority of high school kids because he seems to be building the program with a mixture of 4, 3, 2, and one year players.
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Decided to bail on SMU to pursue a pro career instead. Talented kid.. But we dodged a bullet with him. I also read that Larry Brown pulled a ship from a player to give it to Turner. This couldn't have happened to a nicer guy :)
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Decided to bail on SMU to pursue a pro career instead. Talented kid.. But we dodged a bullet with him. I also read that Larry Brown pulled a ship from a player to give it to Turner. This couldn't have happened to a nicer guy :)
Wow big blow for SMU
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Decided to bail on SMU to pursue a pro career instead. Talented kid.. But we dodged a bullet with him. I also read that Larry Brown pulled a ship from a player to give it to Turner. This couldn't have happened to a nicer guy :)
Oooof
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Stating the obvious, but so glad this kid never visited!
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Stating the obvious, but so glad this kid never visited!
Yeah, Jamal Branch certainly seems the better fit for us... 8)
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What a bumb
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Glad we got Jamal instaed :)
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Not for nothing, but it was never a question of Branch or Turner. Unless you count a year and a half ago when we we're recruiting him in HS.
Turner seems like a terrible fit. No doubt. But we were thinking of bringing him in in addition to Branch. So I don't get why everyone is saying we're better off with Jamal. We were never choosing between the two.
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Not for nothing, but it was never a question of Branch or Turner. Unless you count a year and a half ago when we we're recruiting him in HS.
Turner seems like a terrible fit. No doubt. But we were thinking of bringing him in in addition to Branch. So I don't get why everyone is saying we're better off with Jamal. We were never choosing between the two.
Wonder what's changed from a couple of months ago - since he'd played his frosh season (albeit abbreviated) - if he was going pro, why not put your name in the draft, and go thru the combine process, and the draft?
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Not for nothing, but it was never a question of Branch or Turner. Unless you count a year and a half ago when we we're recruiting him in HS.
Turner seems like a terrible fit. No doubt. But we were thinking of bringing him in in addition to Branch. So I don't get why everyone is saying we're better off with Jamal. We were never choosing between the two.
Wonder what's changed from a couple of months ago - since he'd played his frosh season (albeit abbreviated) - if he was going pro, why not put your name in the draft, and go thru the combine process, and the draft?
Not everyone deserves a chance to be scouted. This kid had his chance. He blew it. He'll
Wake up tomorrow, and he'll be 35 delivering pizzas.
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Not for nothing, but it was never a question of Branch or Turner. Unless you count a year and a half ago when we we're recruiting him in HS.
Turner seems like a terrible fit. No doubt. But we were thinking of bringing him in in addition to Branch. So I don't get why everyone is saying we're better off with Jamal. We were never choosing between the two.
Wonder what's changed from a couple of months ago - since he'd played his frosh season (albeit abbreviated) - if he was going pro, why not put your name in the draft, and go thru the combine process, and the draft?
Not everyone deserves a chance to be scouted. This kid had his chance. He blew it. He'll
Wake up tomorrow, and he'll be 35 delivering pizzas.
Man, that's disgusting. Plain and simple.
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Not for nothing, but it was never a question of Branch or Turner. Unless you count a year and a half ago when we we're recruiting him in HS.
Turner seems like a terrible fit. No doubt. But we were thinking of bringing him in in addition to Branch. So I don't get why everyone is saying we're better off with Jamal. We were never choosing between the two.
Wonder what's changed from a couple of months ago - since he'd played his frosh season (albeit abbreviated) - if he was going pro, why not put your name in the draft, and go thru the combine process, and the draft?
Not everyone deserves a chance to be scouted. This kid had his chance. He blew it. He'll
Wake up tomorrow, and he'll be 35 delivering pizzas.
Yeah, pretty sure thats how it's worked out for Brandon Jennings, and Jeremy Tyler.....
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Hope he takes the bus to games;
“@JeffEisenberg: Source: Ex-Arizona guard Josiah Turner has signed with a pro team in Hungary and will play there next season.”
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Bundle up JT!
“@HalifaxRainmen: #Halifax Rainmen are please to announce the signing of 6'4" point guard Josiah Turner, pending FIBA clearance http://t.co/QgKKdKUM (http://t.co/QgKKdKUM)”
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Less than positive prognosis;
“@JoshGershon: Didn't realize Josiah Turner was released by the Canadian team he played for. Hopefully he can turn his career around. http://t.co/Pdiu2aCl (http://t.co/Pdiu2aCl)”
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What a saga!
“@JeffEisenberg: Repost: Josiah Turner says he has matured as a result of hardships he has faced since leaving Arizona. http://yhoo.it/YroXH5 (http://yhoo.it/YroXH5)”