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Re: around the big east
« Reply #180 on: December 29, 2012, 08:08:59 PM »
Lville just knocked off Kentucky by 3. They built a huge lead but let uk back in. The cards look damn good.

Yeah, and SJU not scheduling Cuse would be like UK not scheduling Louisville because Pitino was a traitor.  We play these games like SJU vs Cuse for one reason and that is that people attend to see the game.  It's the game New Yorkers want to see and that is evidenced by the ticket sales.  Who cares whether it is more Cuse fans.  If that is the case, then more SJU fans need to go out and buy blocks of seats.  No excuses.  We need to schedule Cuse because it is the game that New Yorkers whether metro area or upstat fans, want to see...  It helps our recruiting as much or more than theirs.  We just need to start competing with them and we will. 

Because Pitino was a traitor?  He went to the NBA first and THEN went to LVILLE.  Mind you he also coached previous to Kentucky at places.  Apples to Oranges MCNPA.  Hope you enjoy sitting in a Garden chalk full of Cuse fans.  Cuz lord knows our fans won't bother coming.

UK fans all view him as a traitor.  I was making a point though.  They schedule the Ville because it is good for Kentucky basketbsll.  Good for both sides.  Same holds true with SJU vs Cuse.  It will be different when Boeheim is gone I think.  Quite a bit actually, but not sure yet when that will be. 

I know the point you were trying to make.  Again just over and hour drive separates them as opposed to us and Cuse.  Hey what do I know.  Let NY's team play another game in the Garden every year.  We can have a little bit of extra cash (When most will probably be STJ fans or Colleary selling their tix for premium).  Create a road game atmosphere for the kids.

Sounds great.  Who's pumped?!?!?!
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« Reply #181 on: December 29, 2012, 08:09:45 PM »
Again, the matchup benefits both SJU and SU.  Building an even greater rivalry with that dirtbag school and filling the garden is great for assuring our future and recruiting circles.  This is a brave new world with respect to the new conference and having a built-in matchup that packs the Garden and gives us an edge is excellent.  It is also great for our relationship with the Garden and encouraging that playing us there is in demand. 

It is simply good business and no good programs should ditch a game that fills the place.  I hate Syracuse as much as anyone but I'd rather pack the Garden and actually start beating them for a change.  Make it like the UNC vs Duke rivalry.  Plenty of bad blood there but in that one it is a two-sided matchup.  We need to make it so.

How does it benefit us besides a 'sold out' building?

If you don't see it, I can't explain it any further Moose.  It fills the building, pays the bills, is an intra-state rivalry and has recruiting implications.  There are a lot more negatives to canceling a potentially yearly matchup. 

I told you how many times the bills were paid just fine drawing 6k while Norm was coach.  Doesn't take much to break even.  I don't see the point in allowing a team that has tormented us and called themselves NY's team another chance to play in MSG every year.  Lord knows they will probably get a game there anyway. 

So many posters kicked and screamed when they left yet these same posters are bending over the table and oh so willing to allow them right back in.

Like you said they will most likely play a game there every year anyways, so that game should be against St. John's. In order to remove that NY's team title from them is by playing them and beating them.

You think they are just going to stop at 1 game vs. us?  They are going to get another game against a premier team (ie Duke, etc).  Forget them already.  I'm amazed how many people are so attached to an original team that pretty much hammered the final nail in BE coffin.


I'm more concerned with taking the NY team title away from Cuse and in order to do that you must play them.

We cant beat Asheville your asking for Cuse
Mr. Moose, you musta had high hopes after we lost to the Bonnies and Rams. We really won't know where this program is going for a while. No way we should be getting to nuts or to smart. I do know there are programs out there that would be sky high if good teams would actually give em a home game. Best case is we beat em up at MSG and refuse to go up there.

That team was full of 4 yr players.  This team isn't.

I think we have quite a few 4 year players.  Problem is that the fans don't seem to want to let them get past freshman or soph years.  We are still very young in Lavin's total rebuild with all of his recruits in only their first or second years.  Anybody expecting a polished, veteran team isn't on the same page.  I certainly thought we'd have two or maybe 3 losses the most before League play, but we have some issues still to iron out, and I thought we'd have Sanchez Eligible.  Not having Sanchez has hurt us more than I thought it would. 

Again, while it isn't in our nature to be patient, we are still a real young team and it will take time to get to where we want to be.  I'm hoping we have an epiphany as a team pretty soon and get back to playing the way we did vs South Carolina, Schaumburg I thought was exactly what we were aiming for.

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« Reply #182 on: December 29, 2012, 08:14:38 PM »
Lville just knocked off Kentucky by 3. They built a huge lead but let uk back in. The cards look damn good.

Yeah, and SJU not scheduling Cuse would be like UK not scheduling Louisville because Pitino was a traitor.  We play these games like SJU vs Cuse for one reason and that is that people attend to see the game.  It's the game New Yorkers want to see and that is evidenced by the ticket sales.  Who cares whether it is more Cuse fans.  If that is the case, then more SJU fans need to go out and buy blocks of seats.  No excuses.  We need to schedule Cuse because it is the game that New Yorkers whether metro area or upstat fans, want to see...  It helps our recruiting as much or more than theirs.  We just need to start competing with them and we will. 

A dose of reality. SJ fans have no heart. The hint of bad season means an empty arena. We saw it in Brooklyn.

  Unless you are the Cubs, this is true just about anywhere.  Remember Yankee stadium in the 80s? This isn't a St. John's or NY phenomenon.  It's called economics and common sense.

It also blows the whole NY theory up IMO.  NY is full of people who grew up here and went away to school.  Therefore they root for other teams.  Then there are tons of people who moved to NY after college who have another team to root for.  So when their teams play at MSG the 1 or 2 times a year they WILL pay premium to watch them in person.  So why everyone plays up the STJ-NY connection if anything I see a negative with it.  The fairweather fans will only come when we win.

The other problem is the student makeup of STJ is not a sports minded population.  STJ has a lot of foreign kids and most don't give a rats ass about basketball.  While STJ might have a big enrollment I'd say the majority could care less about sports and there is no connection once they graduate.

Fans don't care when the team doesn't win. However, when the team does put up W's, fans start to pay attention.

I'm sure the attendance in 2010 was probably the highest St. John's has had in years. I'm not saying the team will sell out the Garden every game, but I guarantee you the students will come if you are a consistent Top 25 program.

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« Reply #183 on: December 29, 2012, 08:17:31 PM »
Lville just knocked off Kentucky by 3. They built a huge lead but let uk back in. The cards look damn good.

Yeah, and SJU not scheduling Cuse would be like UK not scheduling Louisville because Pitino was a traitor.  We play these games like SJU vs Cuse for one reason and that is that people attend to see the game.  It's the game New Yorkers want to see and that is evidenced by the ticket sales.  Who cares whether it is more Cuse fans.  If that is the case, then more SJU fans need to go out and buy blocks of seats.  No excuses.  We need to schedule Cuse because it is the game that New Yorkers whether metro area or upstat fans, want to see...  It helps our recruiting as much or more than theirs.  We just need to start competing with them and we will. 

A dose of reality. SJ fans have no heart. The hint of bad season means an empty arena. We saw it in Brooklyn.

  Unless you are the Cubs, this is true just about anywhere.  Remember Yankee stadium in the 80s? This isn't a St. John's or NY phenomenon.  It's called economics and common sense.

It also blows the whole NY theory up IMO.  NY is full of people who grew up here and went away to school.  Therefore they root for other teams.  Then there are tons of people who moved to NY after college who have another team to root for.  So when their teams play at MSG the 1 or 2 times a year they WILL pay premium to watch them in person.  So why everyone plays up the STJ-NY connection if anything I see a negative with it.  The fairweather fans will only come when we win.

The other problem is the student makeup of STJ is not a sports minded population.  STJ has a lot of foreign kids and most don't give a rats ass about basketball.  While STJ might have a big enrollment I'd say the majority could care less about sports and there is no connection once they graduate.

Fans don't care when the team doesn't win. However, when the team does put up W's, fans start to pay attention.

I'm sure the attendance in 2010 was probably the highest St. John's has had in years. I'm not saying the team will sell out the Garden every game, but I guarantee you the students will come if you are a consistent Top 25 program.

You cannot refer to the Uconn or Duke games that year.  They had a very large number of opposing fans or in the Duke case just people who wanted to see Duke play.  College basketball fans.  The Pitt game was the best example.  The bottom level of the old MSG was packed to the gills and it was over 90% STJ fans.
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« Reply #184 on: December 29, 2012, 08:18:42 PM »
Lville just knocked off Kentucky by 3. They built a huge lead but let uk back in. The cards look damn good.

Yeah, and SJU not scheduling Cuse would be like UK not scheduling Louisville because Pitino was a traitor.  We play these games like SJU vs Cuse for one reason and that is that people attend to see the game.  It's the game New Yorkers want to see and that is evidenced by the ticket sales.  Who cares whether it is more Cuse fans.  If that is the case, then more SJU fans need to go out and buy blocks of seats.  No excuses.  We need to schedule Cuse because it is the game that New Yorkers whether metro area or upstat fans, want to see...  It helps our recruiting as much or more than theirs.  We just need to start competing with them and we will. 

A dose of reality. SJ fans have no heart. The hint of bad season means an empty arena. We saw it in Brooklyn.

  Unless you are the Cubs, this is true just about anywhere.  Remember Yankee stadium in the 80s? This isn't a St. John's or NY phenomenon.  It's called economics and common sense.

St.John's doesn't sell when they win, too.

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« Reply #185 on: December 29, 2012, 08:19:36 PM »
Lville just knocked off Kentucky by 3. They built a huge lead but let uk back in. The cards look damn good.

Yeah, and SJU not scheduling Cuse would be like UK not scheduling Louisville because Pitino was a traitor.  We play these games like SJU vs Cuse for one reason and that is that people attend to see the game.  It's the game New Yorkers want to see and that is evidenced by the ticket sales.  Who cares whether it is more Cuse fans.  If that is the case, then more SJU fans need to go out and buy blocks of seats.  No excuses.  We need to schedule Cuse because it is the game that New Yorkers whether metro area or upstat fans, want to see...  It helps our recruiting as much or more than theirs.  We just need to start competing with them and we will. 

A dose of reality. SJ fans have no heart. The hint of bad season means an empty arena. We saw it in Brooklyn.

  Unless you are the Cubs, this is true just about anywhere.  Remember Yankee stadium in the 80s? This isn't a St. John's or NY phenomenon.  It's called economics and common sense.

It also blows the whole NY theory up IMO.  NY is full of people who grew up here and went away to school.  Therefore they root for other teams.  Then there are tons of people who moved to NY after college who have another team to root for.  So when their teams play at MSG the 1 or 2 times a year they WILL pay premium to watch them in person.  So why everyone plays up the STJ-NY connection if anything I see a negative with it.  The fairweather fans will only come when we win.

The other problem is the student makeup of STJ is not a sports minded population.  STJ has a lot of foreign kids and most don't give a rats ass about basketball.  While STJ might have a big enrollment I'd say the majority could care less about sports and there is no connection once they graduate.

Fans don't care when the team doesn't win. However, when the team does put up W's, fans start to pay attention.

I'm sure the attendance in 2010 was probably the highest St. John's has had in years. I'm not saying the team will sell out the Garden every game, but I guarantee you the students will come if you are a consistent Top 25 program.

You cannot refer to the Uconn or Duke games that year.  They had a very large number of opposing fans or in the Duke case just people who wanted to see Duke play.  College basketball fans.  The Pitt game was the best example.  The bottom level of the old MSG was packed to the gills and it was over 90% STJ fans.

Maybe Moose is right and we should play Pitt every year instead.  Was totally a huge SJU crowd, stadium packed and a great win with mostly sju fans.  Great atmosphere!

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« Reply #186 on: December 29, 2012, 08:21:24 PM »
Again, the matchup benefits both SJU and SU.  Building an even greater rivalry with that dirtbag school and filling the garden is great for assuring our future and recruiting circles.  This is a brave new world with respect to the new conference and having a built-in matchup that packs the Garden and gives us an edge is excellent.  It is also great for our relationship with the Garden and encouraging that playing us there is in demand. 

It is simply good business and no good programs should ditch a game that fills the place.  I hate Syracuse as much as anyone but I'd rather pack the Garden and actually start beating them for a change.  Make it like the UNC vs Duke rivalry.  Plenty of bad blood there but in that one it is a two-sided matchup.  We need to make it so.

How does it benefit us besides a 'sold out' building?

If you don't see it, I can't explain it any further Moose.  It fills the building, pays the bills, is an intra-state rivalry and has recruiting implications.  There are a lot more negatives to canceling a potentially yearly matchup. 

I told you how many times the bills were paid just fine drawing 6k while Norm was coach.  Doesn't take much to break even.  I don't see the point in allowing a team that has tormented us and called themselves NY's team another chance to play in MSG every year.  Lord knows they will probably get a game there anyway. 

So many posters kicked and screamed when they left yet these same posters are bending over the table and oh so willing to allow them right back in.

Like you said they will most likely play a game there every year anyways, so that game should be against St. John's. In order to remove that NY's team title from them is by playing them and beating them.

You think they are just going to stop at 1 game vs. us?  They are going to get another game against a premier team (ie Duke, etc).  Forget them already.  I'm amazed how many people are so attached to an original team that pretty much hammered the final nail in BE coffin.


I'm more concerned with taking the NY team title away from Cuse and in order to do that you must play them.

We cant beat Asheville your asking for Cuse
Mr. Moose, you musta had high hopes after we lost to the Bonnies and Rams. We really won't know where this program is going for a while. No way we should be getting to nuts or to smart. I do know there are programs out there that would be sky high if good teams would actually give em a home game. Best case is we beat em up at MSG and refuse to go up there.

That team was full of 4 yr players.  This team isn't.

I think we have quite a few 4 year players.  Problem is that the fans don't seem to want to let them get past freshman or soph years.  We are still very young in Lavin's total rebuild with all of his recruits in only their first or second years.  Anybody expecting a polished, veteran team isn't on the same page.  I certainly thought we'd have two or maybe 3 losses the most before League play, but we have some issues still to iron out, and I thought we'd have Sanchez Eligible.  Not having Sanchez has hurt us more than I thought it would. 

Again, while it isn't in our nature to be patient, we are still a real young team and it will take time to get to where we want to be.  I'm hoping we have an epiphany as a team pretty soon and get back to playing the way we did vs South Carolina, Schaumburg I thought was exactly what we were aiming for.

I've realized that my expectations for this season were probably unrealistic. What I'm really watching for come conference play are these 3 things: (1) Will the presence of a true PG in Branch help to create opportunities on the offensive end (2) Is the coaching staff capable of creating a better defensive system (3) Are we going to see improvement in the games of our young players? If there is one thing I've been disappointed in, it's the play of our sophomores. Thus far, it really does seem that Pointer, Garrett, and Greene have regressed in year two. There is a lot of basketball left to be played, but I expected these guys to a bigger leap forward than what I'm seeing. I believe in their abilities and know they have more in them than what they've shown. So go out there and prove it boys.

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« Reply #187 on: December 29, 2012, 08:23:36 PM »
Lville just knocked off Kentucky by 3. They built a huge lead but let uk back in. The cards look damn good.

Yeah, and SJU not scheduling Cuse would be like UK not scheduling Louisville because Pitino was a traitor.  We play these games like SJU vs Cuse for one reason and that is that people attend to see the game.  It's the game New Yorkers want to see and that is evidenced by the ticket sales.  Who cares whether it is more Cuse fans.  If that is the case, then more SJU fans need to go out and buy blocks of seats.  No excuses.  We need to schedule Cuse because it is the game that New Yorkers whether metro area or upstat fans, want to see...  It helps our recruiting as much or more than theirs.  We just need to start competing with them and we will. 

A dose of reality. SJ fans have no heart. The hint of bad season means an empty arena. We saw it in Brooklyn.

  Unless you are the Cubs, this is true just about anywhere.  Remember Yankee stadium in the 80s? This isn't a St. John's or NY phenomenon.  It's called economics and common sense.

St.John's doesn't sell when they win, too.

Yes we do...

St. John's vs. Pittsburgh Madison Square Garden: Dwight Hardy Game-Winning Layup

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« Reply #188 on: December 29, 2012, 08:36:16 PM »
Lville just knocked off Kentucky by 3. They built a huge lead but let uk back in. The cards look damn good.

Yeah, and SJU not scheduling Cuse would be like UK not scheduling Louisville because Pitino was a traitor.  We play these games like SJU vs Cuse for one reason and that is that people attend to see the game.  It's the game New Yorkers want to see and that is evidenced by the ticket sales.  Who cares whether it is more Cuse fans.  If that is the case, then more SJU fans need to go out and buy blocks of seats.  No excuses.  We need to schedule Cuse because it is the game that New Yorkers whether metro area or upstat fans, want to see...  It helps our recruiting as much or more than theirs.  We just need to start competing with them and we will. 

A dose of reality. SJ fans have no heart. The hint of bad season means an empty arena. We saw it in Brooklyn.

  Unless you are the Cubs, this is true just about anywhere.  Remember Yankee stadium in the 80s? This isn't a St. John's or NY phenomenon.  It's called economics and common sense.

St.John's doesn't sell when they win, too.

Yes we do...

St. John's vs. Pittsburgh Madison Square Garden: Dwight Hardy Game-Winning Layup

Yes, very nice. I went to the pre season NIT in 1999, when we had our best team in the last 30 years. I was sitting in the 100s, and the place was empty. Selling out a few games over a 30 year period doesn't win the debate. Most of those sell outs are due to the Duke fans.

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« Reply #189 on: December 29, 2012, 08:39:09 PM »
We have nothing to gain by playing Syracuse. Losing to them gives credibility to their obnoxious "New York's College Team" line. Obnoxious, but spot on. They chose to leave. That opens the door for us. W out SU in the BE Tourney, we have a chance to take back NY. Playing them jeopardizes that IMO.

If we want to play big time programs at MSG, schedule Kentucky, Kansas, NC, Arizona, Florida etc.

I'm for playing the best programs in the country year in and year out. As much as I hate them, Syracuse fits that category.

I don't know when it will happen, but I'm looking forward to the time when I can walk out of MSG and mock Cuse fans all the way to Penn Station. I've experienced it all too much these last 15 years and it'll be fun repaying the favor.

That time might never happen.

Very pessimistic thinking here.

While it's true we most likely will never be a program like Syracuse, it's extremely pessimistic to say we can't compete with them year in and year out. We're in good hands with Lavin, as much as it may not feel like it right now. If we continue to recruit like this, we will be a solid top 50 program year in and year out, and the occasional top 25 season, which any St. John's fan should be happy with. And so far there is nothing that says Lavin can't continue to recruit this level of talent.

You think our fan base will be happy with that????
Our fan base remembers all those NCAA Championships and will never be happy with an occasional top 25 year.

Yes, I think that would satisfy any St. John's fan. That would mean they are at least a bubble team most years, always competitive, with the occasional big year (sweet 16, top 25 ranking, 2010-11 type years).

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« Reply #190 on: December 29, 2012, 10:00:56 PM »
  The Barkley years the place was packed a lot.  Damn, I even remember seeing Spike Lee sitting courtside with a Barkley jersey on.  That was the last team at St. John's to truly have a national stage IMO.  People will come if you win, rightly or wrongly.
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« Reply #191 on: December 30, 2012, 11:16:31 AM »
We have to consistently win too, that is the other issue that has plagued us over the years. A great season here and there really won't do anything to draw fans. Cuse has an identity with JB, what is our identity? is it that ir players and coaches constantly change?
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« Reply #192 on: December 30, 2012, 11:26:25 AM »
We have to consistently win too, that is the other issue that has plagued us over the years. A great season here and there really won't do anything to draw fans. Cuse has an identity with JB, what is our identity? is it that ir players and coaches constantly change?

I agree. We are not known for anything, except that we can't get our players on the floor. We were once known for man to man defense. Now, we are earning a rep for not defending the 3. Might as well take the shot, we won't mind.

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« Reply #193 on: December 30, 2012, 11:29:17 AM »
We have to consistently win too, that is the other issue that has plagued us over the years. A great season here and there really won't do anything to draw fans. Cuse has an identity with JB, what is our identity? is it that ir players and coaches constantly change?

ExCuse is a totally different animal.  it is the ONLY thing to do in Syracuse during their winter.  I spent about a month their one winter for work and, for excitement, you had your choice of minor league hockey or basketball at the War Memorial arena or going to dinner where every restaurant in town had a salad bar with you having various ways to eat iceberg lettuce.  SJU competes against 3 major BB and 3 major Hockey (when they play) teams not to mention the Giants and Jets until either end of Decenber or through the playoffs.  One could also mention Bway shows which are not in Syr.

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« Reply #194 on: December 30, 2012, 11:42:52 AM »
We have nothing to gain by playing Syracuse. Losing to them gives credibility to their obnoxious "New York's College Team" line. Obnoxious, but spot on. They chose to leave. That opens the door for us. W out SU in the BE Tourney, we have a chance to take back NY. Playing them jeopardizes that IMO.

If we want to play big time programs at MSG, schedule Kentucky, Kansas, NC, Arizona, Florida etc.

I would rather not play them either because having them play in NYC benefits them as much as us but finances for the program with a sold out garden is important. With the move to a new conference it is crucial to get home and home deals with great programs to fill our arena. It is crucial for recruiting to tell kids you will play Kentucky Kansas Florida UNC Duke etc in your career at St Johns.   

Sorry Ted, but IMO I would rather have Cuse than Florida in that list.

If UNC ever left the ACC do you think Duke would not schedule them?? We need to play the best, it's just that one of the best team is in the same state. St. John's needs to show everyone that they can compete and beat Cuse. If we don't schedule them we will IMO always be 2nd best in the state, at least until they fall on their face.

I was just using an example of schools we should play

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« Reply #195 on: December 30, 2012, 11:48:36 AM »
We have to consistently win too, that is the other issue that has plagued us over the years. A great season here and there really won't do anything to draw fans. Cuse has an identity with JB, what is our identity? is it that ir players and coaches constantly change?

ExCuse is a totally different animal.  it is the ONLY thing to do in Syracuse during their winter.  I spent about a month their one winter for work and, for excitement, you had your choice of minor league hockey or basketball at the War Memorial arena or going to dinner where every restaurant in town had a salad bar with you having various ways to eat iceberg lettuce.  SJU competes against 3 major BB and 3 major Hockey (when they play) teams not to mention the Giants and Jets until either end of Decenber or through the playoffs.  One could also mention Bway shows which are not in Syr.

It isn't the only thing to do in Syracuse during the winter. They have a shopping mall, and inside that shopping mall there are several restaurants, and there's a movie theatre.

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« Reply #196 on: December 30, 2012, 01:01:08 PM »
We have to consistently win too, that is the other issue that has plagued us over the years. A great season here and there really won't do anything to draw fans. Cuse has an identity with JB, what is our identity? is it that ir players and coaches constantly change?

ExCuse is a totally different animal.  it is the ONLY thing to do in Syracuse during their winter.  I spent about a month their one winter for work and, for excitement, you had your choice of minor league hockey or basketball at the War Memorial arena or going to dinner where every restaurant in town had a salad bar with you having various ways to eat iceberg lettuce.  SJU competes against 3 major BB and 3 major Hockey (when they play) teams not to mention the Giants and Jets until either end of Decenber or through the playoffs.  One could also mention Bway shows which are not in Syr.

It isn't the only thing to do in Syracuse during the winter. They have a shopping mall, and inside that shopping mall there are several restaurants, and there's a movie theatre.
hahaha beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I was stationed at Fort Drum NY and Syracuse was a lot more exciting then Watertown...I will say one of my favorite Irish bars ever is Kitty Hoynes is Syracuse. If you like Irish music that is the place to go...when we win St. John's does grab backpage headlines. During the winter months Football is over Basketball and hockey (is they ever play again) are only in the middle of the season. A big win and a ranked Johnny team will make headlines.
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« Reply #197 on: December 30, 2012, 02:09:43 PM »
We have nothing to gain by playing Syracuse. Losing to them gives credibility to their obnoxious "New York's College Team" line. Obnoxious, but spot on. They chose to leave. That opens the door for us. W out SU in the BE Tourney, we have a chance to take back NY. Playing them jeopardizes that IMO.

If we want to play big time programs at MSG, schedule Kentucky, Kansas, NC, Arizona, Florida etc.

I would rather not play them either because having them play in NYC benefits them as much as us but finances for the program with a sold out garden is important. With the move to a new conference it is crucial to get home and home deals with great programs to fill our arena. It is crucial for recruiting to tell kids you will play Kentucky Kansas Florida UNC Duke etc in your career at St Johns.   

Sorry Ted, but IMO I would rather have Cuse than Florida in that list.

If UNC ever left the ACC do you think Duke would not schedule them?? We need to play the best, it's just that one of the best team is in the same state. St. John's needs to show everyone that they can compete and beat Cuse. If we don't schedule them we will IMO always be 2nd best in the state, at least until they fall on their face.

I was just using an example of schools we should play

Still would rather play Cuse instead of Florida. Beating Cuse would feel so much better than beating Florida. I guess living in Saratoga I am surrounded by Cuse fans and hate them!! Tired of being a 2nd rate them in New York
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« Reply #198 on: December 30, 2012, 04:55:20 PM »
Giants are out, Johnnies need to be good!
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Re: around the big east
« Reply #199 on: December 30, 2012, 06:43:06 PM »
We have to consistently win too, that is the other issue that has plagued us over the years. A great season here and there really won't do anything to draw fans. Cuse has an identity with JB, what is our identity? is it that ir players and coaches constantly change?

ExCuse is a totally different animal.  it is the ONLY thing to do in Syracuse during their winter.  I spent about a month their one winter for work and, for excitement, you had your choice of minor league hockey or basketball at the War Memorial arena or going to dinner where every restaurant in town had a salad bar with you having various ways to eat iceberg lettuce.  SJU competes against 3 major BB and 3 major Hockey (when they play) teams not to mention the Giants and Jets until either end of Decenber or through the playoffs.  One could also mention Bway shows which are not in Syr.

It isn't the only thing to do in Syracuse during the winter. They have a shopping mall, and inside that shopping mall there are several restaurants, and there's a movie theatre.

Don't forget Lord and taylor in the mall where one can do their Christmas shop LIFTING :)