6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => Recruiting Archives => Recruiting => 2014 Class => Topic started by: paultzman on May 05, 2013, 01:05:55 PM
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Things have been going pretty well for Cunningham. The 6-foot-7 forward from Chicago (Ill.) Morgan Park won a state championship during his senior season and ascended into the national top 100. Saturday, Cunningham looked like a kid who will continue to climb the rankings when he made the most of a nice opportunity.
Usually, Cunningham's Mac Irvin Fire team is headlined by five-star big men Jahlil Okafor and Cliff Alexander. After them, sophomore guards Marcus LoVett and Jalen Brunson get a lot of attention. With only Brunson in attendance from that group at the Run-N-Slam, Cunningham proved he is more than capable of carrying the load.
Cunningham finished the day with a sparkling 29-point effort against NLP to move the Fire into the quarterfinals. He corralled rebounds, ran the floor for dunks, spotted up to hit 3-pointers and looked comfortable in a leadership role.
Over the past few weeks, the four-star prospect's recruitment has taken off as well. Cunningham and coach Nick Irvin mentioned recent offers from Oklahoma, Iowa, Virginia Tech, DePaul, Florida State, Missouri, Bradley and St. John's, while Michigan State has been asking around a little more.
“@TheRecruitScoop: Day 2 of the Spiece Memorial Run-N-Slam is summed up by @ebosshoops - http://recruitscoop.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1502750 (http://recruitscoop.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1502750)”
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Josh Cunningham - Also at 6-7, Cunningham is one of the wing shooters for Mac Irvin. His latest offer is from Minnesota to go along with offers from Bradley, DePaul, Iowa, Iowa State, St. John's, Missouri and Oklahoma.
Cunningham said Oklahoma is recruiting him the hardest.
“@Hoyas247: .@jerrymeyer247 with a couple notes on #Hoyas recruiting targets in this update from the UA Summer Jam http://georgetown.247sports.com/Article/Cliff-Alexander-Wade-Baldwin-Ben-Bentil-others-at-Summer-Jam-139744 (http://georgetown.247sports.com/Article/Cliff-Alexander-Wade-Baldwin-Ben-Bentil-others-at-Summer-Jam-139744)”
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“@RyanJamesMN: 4 star Wing Josh Cunningham said he just arrived for his visit at Creighton.”
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During the Fall, Cunningham used official visits to check out Creighton, Iowa State, Bradley and Oklahoma. The Cyclones are out, but Minnesota, Indiana, South Carolina, St. John's, DePaul and Michigan State are involved as well. Only the Spartans have yet to offer and Irvin feels that could be coming soon.
"He wasn't able to make it down to Indiana because of the weather," said Irvin. "He will get there and Michigan State to see a game. He'll use his official visit for somewhere that is more distant."
Now, Cunningham and Morgan Park are focused on trying to win a City Public League title and defending their state title. After things slow down, it will be time to move on to making a decision.
http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1608315#sthash.aBy3kxMT.uxfs (http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1608315#sthash.aBy3kxMT.uxfs)
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maybe he is our late signing
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http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/144464/josh-cunningham (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/144464/josh-cunningham)
I wonder if he has any connection to Phil....
"Cunningham is a warrior in every sense of the word. He impacts the game with his tenacity on the glass and major bounce. He has a nose for the ball around the hoop and he gets up twice before most get up once."
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Kid looks good. Rivals has him top 80 prospect. Replace Sanchez, Gift and Bourgault with Cunningham, Delarosa and Jay Henderson maybe and imo a net gain talent-wise overall. I guess that's why we have to wait to judge until after spring signing.
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http://youtu.be/xFl8MVscyIE (http://youtu.be/xFl8MVscyIE)
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Hate to suppress all those good feelings but the Rivals article that re-invigorated this thread said nothing about SJU besides we offered. Which we did a long time ago. Didn't say he is looking to visit, or we have watched him recently or anything really.
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True moose. Just getting some mention of a top 80 kid as a possibility is promising though, as we really need a forward to replace Sanchez who is the only forward on roster capable of hitting a 3 pointer.
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SJU not in mix for some time.Bradley seems likely with Indiana trying hard.
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SJU not in mix for some time.Bradley seems likely with Indiana trying hard.
Good info
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SJU not in mix for some time.Bradley seems likely with Indiana trying hard.
Good info
Damn.. Oh well, there goes that idea.
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SJU not in mix for some time.Bradley seems likely with Indiana trying hard.
Good info
Should have noted "from what I have read". He does say he is open, but looking at his visit list and Indiana chatter, I concluded we were not in this. Hope I am wrong;
"The No. 122 player nationally in his class according to the 247Composite, Cunningham is one of the best remaining players available for 2014 and has offers from Bradley, Creighton, DePaul, Oklahoma and South Carolina, among others.
“I’m still open to any school,” Cunningham said via text.
The 6-foot-7 forward told Inside the Hall that he might make it down for one of IU’s four remaining home games. He has one official visit available to take this spring. He’s already taken official visits to Bradley, Creighton, Iowa State and Oklahoma."
http://www.insidethehall.com/2014/02/06/indiana-offers-class-of-2014-forward-josh-cunningham/ (http://www.insidethehall.com/2014/02/06/indiana-offers-class-of-2014-forward-josh-cunningham/)
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SJU not in mix for some time.Bradley seems likely with Indiana trying hard.
Good info
Should have noted "from what I have read". He does say he is open, but looking at his visit list and Indiana chatter, I concluded we were not in this. Hope I am wrong;
"The No. 122 player nationally in his class according to the 247Composite, Cunningham is one of the best remaining players available for 2014 and has offers from Bradley, Creighton, DePaul, Oklahoma and South Carolina, among others.
“I’m still open to any school,” Cunningham said via text.
The 6-foot-7 forward told Inside the Hall that he might make it down for one of IU’s four remaining home games. He has one official visit available to take this spring. He’s already taken official visits to Bradley, Creighton, Iowa State and Oklahoma."
http://www.insidethehall.com/2014/02/06/indiana-offers-class-of-2014-forward-josh-cunningham/ (http://www.insidethehall.com/2014/02/06/indiana-offers-class-of-2014-forward-josh-cunningham/)
Since he has already taken 4 of his 5 visits I would think his last visit might be a good indicator of where he's headed.
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SJU not in mix for some time.Bradley seems likely with Indiana trying hard.
Good info
Should have noted "from what I have read". He does say he is open, but looking at his visit list and Indiana chatter, I concluded we were not in this. Hope I am wrong;
"The No. 122 player nationally in his class according to the 247Composite, Cunningham is one of the best remaining players available for 2014 and has offers from Bradley, Creighton, DePaul, Oklahoma and South Carolina, among others.
“I’m still open to any school,” Cunningham said via text.
The 6-foot-7 forward told Inside the Hall that he might make it down for one of IU’s four remaining home games. He has one official visit available to take this spring. He’s already taken official visits to Bradley, Creighton, Iowa State and Oklahoma."
http://www.insidethehall.com/2014/02/06/indiana-offers-class-of-2014-forward-josh-cunningham/ (http://www.insidethehall.com/2014/02/06/indiana-offers-class-of-2014-forward-josh-cunningham/)
Since he has already taken 4 of his 5 visits I would think his last visit might be a good indicator of where he's headed.
My gut tells me we land DelaRosa and go Juco route for another big, unless a fifth year transfer falls into our laps. (Assuming NCAAS rules remain unchanged) I suspect we are serious for Jay Henderson for Marco's spot. He seems fond of us from what I see on his twitter feed. Never saw him, but it appears he is a late bloomer, from good AAU program, who can shoot. We'll see.
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SJU not in mix for some time.Bradley seems likely with Indiana trying hard.
Good info
Should have noted "from what I have read". He does say he is open, but looking at his visit list and Indiana chatter, I concluded we were not in this. Hope I am wrong;
"The No. 122 player nationally in his class according to the 247Composite, Cunningham is one of the best remaining players available for 2014 and has offers from Bradley, Creighton, DePaul, Oklahoma and South Carolina, among others.
“I’m still open to any school,” Cunningham said via text.
The 6-foot-7 forward told Inside the Hall that he might make it down for one of IU’s four remaining home games. He has one official visit available to take this spring. He’s already taken official visits to Bradley, Creighton, Iowa State and Oklahoma."
http://www.insidethehall.com/2014/02/06/indiana-offers-class-of-2014-forward-josh-cunningham/ (http://www.insidethehall.com/2014/02/06/indiana-offers-class-of-2014-forward-josh-cunningham/)
Since he has already taken 4 of his 5 visits I would think his last visit might be a good indicator of where he's headed.
My gut tells me we land DelaRosa and go Juco route for another big, unless a fifth year transfer falls into our laps. (Assuming NCAAS rules remain unchanged) I suspect we are serious for Jay Henderson for Marco's spot. He seems fond of us from what I see on his twitter feed. Never saw him, but it appears he is a late bloomer, from good AAU program, who can shoot. We'll see.
Sounds about right Paultz. I'd really like to land another forward though. Either sf or PF. Our roster will be barren after next year, and we need to groom a forward or two.
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You also have Christian Jones coming back next year. He is certainly capable of Gift type production.
Replacing Sanchez could be solved the JUCO route. If we get De La Rosa, then in 14-15, we would him DLR [fr], Jones [soph], JUCO big [jr] and hopefully Obekpa [jr] and JKS [jr]. In 15-16, you would certainly see DLR, Jones and JUCO big all back. Don't know if CO and JKS would be moving on by then.
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Video of him talking about his recruitment, ESPN still has us listed
No. 22 PF Cunningham Talks Recruiting - ESPN Video - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=10530614)
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He was at the Butler game with the guy who is going to Duke
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Highly unlikely.
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OK heard it from highly reliable source who met them before the game
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"Another player Creighton coaches have become very familiar with is Josh Cunningham of Morgan Park in Chicago. Cunningham is a consensus top 100 player in the 2014 class that has narrowed his final list down to Bradley, Creighton, Indiana, South Carolina and Minnesota. The 6’6” combo player is a tough rebounder who gets buckets underneath the basket. Cunningham is evidence that the Jays are hitting Chicago hard looking for grinders to compliment the more skilled players already on the roster. Cunningham has loads of skill, but the staff likes his attention to both defense and crashing the boards, and think that he, like Gilmore and Harrell, could make an instant impact on the Jays next season."
Nice article on Creighton recruiting;
http://whiteandbluereview.com/?p=28868 (http://whiteandbluereview.com/?p=28868)
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Thought Creighton was targeting the '18 class? ;)
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@PaulBiancardi: Espn 100 Josh Cunningham just confirmed that he will be making his college decision next Wednesday. Creighton Bradley
IU, Minn USC and OU.
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I really hope this staff knows what they are doing, I spoke to two targets today, Jay Henderson and Tyrone Taylor. Henderson seems ready to come here, says he will be visiting, meanwhile taylor who is a good player and a good kid hasnt heard from the staff since last summer, he would be another one that is a good fit and available if the coaching staff would reach out. With five spots open and communciation going cold with targets, makes me worry
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Cunningham has moved his commitment date to the 9th, same day as Delarosa. Any chance we land both that day?
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Cunningham has moved his commitment date to the 9th, same day as Delarosa. Any chance we land both that day?
Not really
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Cunningham has moved his commitment date to the 9th, same day as Delarosa. Any chance we land both that day?
Not really
Just thought it was interesting since we heard Lavin was working on a top 100 kid. Maybe just coincidence?
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Cunningham has moved his commitment date to the 9th, same day as Delarosa. Any chance we land both that day?
Not really
Just thought it was interesting since we heard Lavin was working on a top 100 kid. Maybe just coincidence?
Highly doubt we pull this off considering we were not in his top five final list. Bradley has been on him a long time and Indiana made a late push. Creighton also has a lot to offer. Btw, this morning a fellow poster with good contacts at CTK told me that Adonis was very impressed with Pitt & South Carolina remains in it. All in all he said Adonis is playing it close to vest and not to get too confident. He did not think moving up the commitment date meant much. I still think we get him, but nothing would surprise me with that black cloud seemingly hanging over SJU. Would be great if your "double dose" of good news comes to fruition.
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I'd rather a quadruple with Delarosa, Cunningham, Henderson and the juco.
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I'd rather a quadruple with Delarosa, Cunningham, Henderson and the juco.
Juco, DelaRosas perhaps, can't count on Cunningham who has never even visited campus to my knowledge. His final five were all Mid West schools as well.
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@HoosiersLive: Now Josh Cunningham pushing decision back to visit South Carolina. Would normally not be worried but Frank Martin is a great closer.
Link below, no SJU.
http://www.insidethehall.com/2014/04/05/josh-cunningham-to-visit-south-carolina-pushes-back-announcement-date/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+insidethehall+%28Inside+the+Hall+%7C+An+Indiana+Hoosiers+basketball+blog%29 (http://www.insidethehall.com/2014/04/05/josh-cunningham-to-visit-south-carolina-pushes-back-announcement-date/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+insidethehall+%28Inside+the+Hall+%7C+An+Indiana+Hoosiers+basketball+blog%29)
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Cunningham has moved his commitment date to the 9th, same day as Delarosa. Any chance we land both that day?
Not really
Hopefully they don't both pick South Carolina. ;D
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@AdamZagoria 8m
Steve Lavin is in Cali today for JUCO F Adom Jacko after seeing Marlon Jones & Josh Cunningham in Chicago yesterday
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@AdamZagoria 8m
Steve Lavin is in Cali today for JUCO F Adom Jacko after seeing Marlon Jones & Josh Cunningham in Chicago yesterday
Mmmmm...interesting
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Josh is currently on his last official visit this weekend to South Carolina.
So not sure how much interest he has in SJU, he delayed his initial decision to take this visit.
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http://sportstalksc.com/index.php/2014/04/11/usc-will-get-their-chance-to-impress-the-talented-josh-cunningham-this-weekend/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+SouthCarolinaSportstalk+(SportsTalk) (http://sportstalksc.com/index.php/2014/04/11/usc-will-get-their-chance-to-impress-the-talented-josh-cunningham-this-weekend/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+SouthCarolinaSportstalk+(SportsTalk))
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http://sportstalksc.com/index.php/2014/04/11/usc-will-get-their-chance-to-impress-the-talented-josh-cunningham-this-weekend/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+SouthCarolinaSportstalk+(SportsTalk) (http://sportstalksc.com/index.php/2014/04/11/usc-will-get-their-chance-to-impress-the-talented-josh-cunningham-this-weekend/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+SouthCarolinaSportstalk+(SportsTalk))
Here is his twitter page:
https://twitter.com/JoshMCunningham
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I'd tell the kid from WCC and Cunningham they'd both start if they commit.
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Just the facts;
Cunningham has good visit to USC and will now work on his decision
April 13, 2014 by Phil Kornblut
Josh Cunningham
6-6 Josh Cunningham of Chicago made an official visit to USC over the weekend and is now ready to get down to the task of making his decisoin which he will announce on Friday afternoon at his school.Cunningham is down to USC, Indiana, DePaul, Bradley, Creighton and Minnesota. He said Sunday night all of the schools are still in the running.
“I really enjoyed it,” he said of his USC visit. “I liked the campus. I liked the team. I liked the coaching staff. They had everything that I want to do academically. If I go there, they will push me to make me a better player.”
Cunningham made a brief stop by Williams-Brice Stadium for the spring football game as he made his way around the campus.
As he thinks about his final choice this week, Cunningham has several factors to consider. “A school with great academics and with a great coaching staff that will push me every day and stay on top of me like my coach does. The visit helped South Carolna. It boosted them quite a bit.”
Cunningham is one of the top unsigned players left in the 2014 class. He averaged 23 points and 15 rebounds per game this season.
http://sportstalksc.com/index.php/20...8SportsTalk%29 (http://sportstalksc.com/index.php/20...8SportsTalk%29)
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Well with no official visits left and set to decide this week my guess is Coach went there with one last appeal to see if there was mutual interest.
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"The coach said Cunningham will not cut down his list of six finalists and will just pick from that group. The others on the list are Indiana, Creighton, Bradley, Minnesota and DePaul.
Irvan does not sense a favorite right now. “It’s hard to tell,” he said. “One days he likes South Carolina a lot, one day he likes Indiana a lot, one day he likes Bradley a lot,” Irvan said chuckling as an example of Cunningham is struggling with his decision."
Likely decision Monday;
http://sportstalksc.com/index.php/2014/04/14/cunningham-wont-make-his-announcement-until-early-next-week/ (http://sportstalksc.com/index.php/2014/04/14/cunningham-wont-make-his-announcement-until-early-next-week/)
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Big weekend on campus:
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille 4m
Chicago forward Josh Cunningham will take an unofficial visit to St. John's this weekend, source says. #sjubb
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this is great to hear
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What do you think the odds are Zags and Zach are talking to the same person...???LOL!!!
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Big weekend on campus:
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille 4m
Chicago forward Josh Cunningham will take an unofficial visit to St. John's this weekend, source says. #sjubb
to bad everyone is on spring break.
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IMHO:
Most important: Keith Thomas because he clearly has SJU at or near the top of his list and he fills a big need of a rebounder.
Most talented/nicest surprise: Josh Cunningham because of his ranking and because SJU up until now has not been on his short list so for him to pop for SJU would be really nice but again have to keep expectations realistic.
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IMHO:
Most important: Keith Thomas because he clearly has SJU at or near the top of his list and he fills a big need of a rebounder.
Most talented/nicest surprise: Josh Cunningham because of his ranking and because SJU up until now has not been on his short list so for him to pop for SJU would be really nice but again have to keep expectations realistic.
Agree on both points. I still have my doubts about Cunningham, but at least we are alive..
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http://zagsblog.com/st-johns/lavin-talks-with-obekpa-big-recruiting-weekend-at-st-johns/#more-114478 (http://zagsblog.com/st-johns/lavin-talks-with-obekpa-big-recruiting-weekend-at-st-johns/#more-114478)
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Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille · 17m
Last Nick Irvin on Josh Cunningham regarding St. John's: "He’s been watching St. John's for a while and he likes them." #sjubb
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille · 18m
Nick Irvin said Josh Cunningham will commit next week, but not sure yet of the day.
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille · 19m
Josh Cunningham's coach Nick Irvin said St. John's has been recruiting Cunningham for a while. #sjubb
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille · 20m
Josh Cunningham's coach Nick Irvin on St. John's: "Definitely a realistic option." #sjubb
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IMHO:
Most important: Keith Thomas because he clearly has SJU at or near the top of his list and he fills a big need of a rebounder.
Most talented/nicest surprise: Josh Cunningham because of his ranking and because SJU up until now has not been on his short list so for him to pop for SJU would be really nice but again have to keep expectations realistic.
Completely agree.
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Per Jerry Meyer:
Jerry Meyer
Dir. of Basketball Scouting - 247Sports
7 hours ago
South Carolina won't be the last visit for Chicago (Ill.) Morgan Park forward Josh Cunningham after all. According to Zach Brazille, Cunningham will unofficially visit St. John's this weekend.
Cunningham, a 247Sports Composite four-star prospect, was thought to be honing down to a decision between Bradley and South Carolina. Indiana and DePaul are also in the mix.
The sudden scheduling of the visit and its timing seem to bode well for Steve Lavin and company.
http://southcarolina.247sports.com/Bolt/Josh-Cunningham-schedules-another-visit-28210417 (http://southcarolina.247sports.com/Bolt/Josh-Cunningham-schedules-another-visit-28210417)
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Maybe Sampson leaving makes SJU a more attractive option for Cunningham. Of all the recruits being mentioned he seems like the best fit to replace Jakarr's scoring. May be able to play the 3 or 4 especially as he gets stronger.
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Maybe Sampson leaving makes SJU a more attractive option for Cunningham. Of all the recruits being mentioned he seems like the best fit to replace Jakarr's scoring. May be able to play the 3 or 4 especially as he gets stronger.
Brownlee, Harkless and Sampson. All the starting 4's Lavin has coached have succeeded. Burrell could be included as well.
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Per Jerry Meyer:
Jerry Meyer
Dir. of Basketball Scouting - 247Sports
7 hours ago
South Carolina won't be the last visit for Chicago (Ill.) Morgan Park forward Josh Cunningham after all. According to Zach Brazille, Cunningham will unofficially visit St. John's this weekend.
Cunningham, a 247Sports Composite four-star prospect, was thought to be honing down to a decision between Bradley and South Carolina. Indiana and DePaul are also in the mix.
The sudden scheduling of the visit and its timing seem to bode well for Steve Lavin and company.
http://southcarolina.247sports.com/Bolt/Josh-Cunningham-schedules-another-visit-28210417 (http://southcarolina.247sports.com/Bolt/Josh-Cunningham-schedules-another-visit-28210417)
thought this was a funny response from someone that board:
"Tough to bet against Lavin. Guy can't coach but he can recruit. Also has a lot if guys transfer out, must promise everyone the world and they leave when it's not true."
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Per Jerry Meyer:
Jerry Meyer
Dir. of Basketball Scouting - 247Sports
7 hours ago
South Carolina won't be the last visit for Chicago (Ill.) Morgan Park forward Josh Cunningham after all. According to Zach Brazille, Cunningham will unofficially visit St. John's this weekend.
Cunningham, a 247Sports Composite four-star prospect, was thought to be honing down to a decision between Bradley and South Carolina. Indiana and DePaul are also in the mix.
The sudden scheduling of the visit and its timing seem to bode well for Steve Lavin and company.
http://southcarolina.247sports.com/Bolt/Josh-Cunningham-schedules-another-visit-28210417 (http://southcarolina.247sports.com/Bolt/Josh-Cunningham-schedules-another-visit-28210417)
thought this was a funny response from someone that board:
"Tough to bet against Lavin. Guy can't coach but he can recruit. Also has a lot if guys transfer out, must promise everyone the world and they leave when it's not true."
Dead on
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Per Jerry Meyer:
Jerry Meyer
Dir. of Basketball Scouting - 247Sports
7 hours ago
South Carolina won't be the last visit for Chicago (Ill.) Morgan Park forward Josh Cunningham after all. According to Zach Brazille, Cunningham will unofficially visit St. John's this weekend.
Cunningham, a 247Sports Composite four-star prospect, was thought to be honing down to a decision between Bradley and South Carolina. Indiana and DePaul are also in the mix.
The sudden scheduling of the visit and its timing seem to bode well for Steve Lavin and company.
http://southcarolina.247sports.com/Bolt/Josh-Cunningham-schedules-another-visit-28210417 (http://southcarolina.247sports.com/Bolt/Josh-Cunningham-schedules-another-visit-28210417)
thought this was a funny response from someone that board:
"Tough to bet against Lavin. Guy can't coach but he can recruit. Also has a lot if guys transfer out, must promise everyone the world and they leave when it's not true."
Dead on
Except for "a lot" of guys actually haven't transferred out.
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I like his form shooting the ball, including free throws.
What do you think Marillac?
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I like his form shooting the ball, including free throws.
What do you think Marillac?
Can certainly use a wing who can shoot and score. Oh wait, sorry, I'm not Marillac! :)
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Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille · 19m
Josh Cunningham's coach Nick Irvin said St. John's has been recruiting Cunningham for a while. #sjubb
Looks like the staff hasn't been asleep at the wheel as much as we might have thought. Hope we get this kid. Solid four year player who could play the 3 position.
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For the record Jerry Meyer has flipped his prediction on Cunningham from USC to SJU:
Jerry Meyer Dir. of Basketball Scouting 247Sports
St. John's
St. John's 4/18/14 1:04PM
Last prediction: SCAR on 4/16/14 7:46PM
http://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Josh-Cunningham-at-Morgan-Park-28617/CurrentExpertPredictions (http://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Josh-Cunningham-at-Morgan-Park-28617/CurrentExpertPredictions)
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only thing that scares me is that his highlight tapes look a lot like sir dom from high school, but at this point he a good late sign i guess
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only thing that scares me is that his highlight tapes look a lot like sir dom from high school, but at this point he a good late sign i guess
I see more of an Amir Garrett type of player
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only thing that scares me is that his highlight tapes look a lot like sir dom from high school, but at this point he a good late sign i guess
I see more of an Amir Garrett type of player
Much better offensive game than Garrett. Garrett was the better athlete who could defend multiple positions.
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Per Jerry Meyer:
Jerry Meyer
Dir. of Basketball Scouting - 247Sports
7 hours ago
South Carolina won't be the last visit for Chicago (Ill.) Morgan Park forward Josh Cunningham after all. According to Zach Brazille, Cunningham will unofficially visit St. John's this weekend.
Cunningham, a 247Sports Composite four-star prospect, was thought to be honing down to a decision between Bradley and South Carolina. Indiana and DePaul are also in the mix.
The sudden scheduling of the visit and its timing seem to bode well for Steve Lavin and company.
http://southcarolina.247sports.com/Bolt/Josh-Cunningham-schedules-another-visit-28210417 (http://southcarolina.247sports.com/Bolt/Josh-Cunningham-schedules-another-visit-28210417)
thought this was a funny response from someone that board:
"Tough to bet against Lavin. Guy can't coach but he can recruit. Also has a lot if guys transfer out, must promise everyone the world and they leave when it's not true."
Dead on
Except for "a lot" of guys actually haven't transferred out.
I count 6 in 4 years, that's a lot.
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Per Jerry Meyer:
Jerry Meyer
Dir. of Basketball Scouting - 247Sports
7 hours ago
South Carolina won't be the last visit for Chicago (Ill.) Morgan Park forward Josh Cunningham after all. According to Zach Brazille, Cunningham will unofficially visit St. John's this weekend.
Cunningham, a 247Sports Composite four-star prospect, was thought to be honing down to a decision between Bradley and South Carolina. Indiana and DePaul are also in the mix.
The sudden scheduling of the visit and its timing seem to bode well for Steve Lavin and company.
http://southcarolina.247sports.com/Bolt/Josh-Cunningham-schedules-another-visit-28210417 (http://southcarolina.247sports.com/Bolt/Josh-Cunningham-schedules-another-visit-28210417)
thought this was a funny response from someone that board:
"Tough to bet against Lavin. Guy can't coach but he can recruit. Also has a lot if guys transfer out, must promise everyone the world and they leave when it's not true."
Dead on
Except for "a lot" of guys actually haven't transferred out.
I count 6 in 4 years, that's a lot.
That is nothing. Georgetown and Florida had 6-8 guys in two years each including several 4 and 5 star studs.
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Per Jerry Meyer:
Jerry Meyer
Dir. of Basketball Scouting - 247Sports
7 hours ago
South Carolina won't be the last visit for Chicago (Ill.) Morgan Park forward Josh Cunningham after all. According to Zach Brazille, Cunningham will unofficially visit St. John's this weekend.
Cunningham, a 247Sports Composite four-star prospect, was thought to be honing down to a decision between Bradley and South Carolina. Indiana and DePaul are also in the mix.
The sudden scheduling of the visit and its timing seem to bode well for Steve Lavin and company.
http://southcarolina.247sports.com/Bolt/Josh-Cunningham-schedules-another-visit-28210417 (http://southcarolina.247sports.com/Bolt/Josh-Cunningham-schedules-another-visit-28210417)
thought this was a funny response from someone that board:
"Tough to bet against Lavin. Guy can't coach but he can recruit. Also has a lot if guys transfer out, must promise everyone the world and they leave when it's not true."
Dead on
Except for "a lot" of guys actually haven't transferred out.
I count 6 in 4 years, that's a lot.
How many of the 6 were non Lavin recruits? I would suggest that counting them is not meaningful? Nothing unreasonable in one per year.
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Per Jerry Meyer:
Jerry Meyer
Dir. of Basketball Scouting - 247Sports
7 hours ago
South Carolina won't be the last visit for Chicago (Ill.) Morgan Park forward Josh Cunningham after all. According to Zach Brazille, Cunningham will unofficially visit St. John's this weekend.
Cunningham, a 247Sports Composite four-star prospect, was thought to be honing down to a decision between Bradley and South Carolina. Indiana and DePaul are also in the mix.
The sudden scheduling of the visit and its timing seem to bode well for Steve Lavin and company.
http://southcarolina.247sports.com/Bolt/Josh-Cunningham-schedules-another-visit-28210417 (http://southcarolina.247sports.com/Bolt/Josh-Cunningham-schedules-another-visit-28210417)
thought this was a funny response from someone that board:
"Tough to bet against Lavin. Guy can't coach but he can recruit. Also has a lot if guys transfer out, must promise everyone the world and they leave when it's not true."
Dead on
Except for "a lot" of guys actually haven't transferred out.
I count 6 in 4 years, that's a lot.
Last year there were 425 transfers across 346 teams, so we were just a bit above the average.
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I count 6
Of course 2 guys belong to Roberts and kids always transfer after a coaching change
Lawrence
Q.Roberts
Polee
Lindsey
Garrett
Hooper
In todays landscape, expect to lose a guy a year, maybe 2
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Landing a kid like this could be a huge coup for us. He's a 3-4 but unlike Dom, attacks the boards like crazy. I'd live to land this kid alongside Thomas. It would give us a true 4 in Thomas and a combo forward in Cunningham who we can afford give minutes to a the 3. Remember a guy like Kidd-Gilchrist was much like this coming out of high school.ore of a bouncy 3 than a true 4, but boarded hard and did everything else.
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Well have another piece of the puzzle in place for 15, if we get him.
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Per Jerry Meyer:
Jerry Meyer
Dir. of Basketball Scouting - 247Sports
7 hours ago
South Carolina won't be the last visit for Chicago (Ill.) Morgan Park forward Josh Cunningham after all. According to Zach Brazille, Cunningham will unofficially visit St. John's this weekend.
Cunningham, a 247Sports Composite four-star prospect, was thought to be honing down to a decision between Bradley and South Carolina. Indiana and DePaul are also in the mix.
The sudden scheduling of the visit and its timing seem to bode well for Steve Lavin and company.
http://southcarolina.247sports.com/Bolt/Josh-Cunningham-schedules-another-visit-28210417 (http://southcarolina.247sports.com/Bolt/Josh-Cunningham-schedules-another-visit-28210417)
thought this was a funny response from someone that board:
"Tough to bet against Lavin. Guy can't coach but he can recruit. Also has a lot if guys transfer out, must promise everyone the world and they leave when it's not true."
Dead on
Except for "a lot" of guys actually haven't transferred out.
I count 6 in 4 years, that's a lot.
You're living in the past if you think this is a lot.
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Lavin having dinner with two recruits at Mr Chow in tribeca last night. Overtime on Holy Saturday. Who says this guy does not work hard?
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Lavin having dinner with two recruits at Mr Chow in tribeca last night. Overtime on Holy Saturday. Who says this guy does not work hard?
Agree. Eating expense account dinners at Tribecca hot spots can be onerous at the best of times. Having your secretary finagle a reservation on a Saturday night just adds to the degree of difficulty.
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Hearing it might be between SJU and Bradley believe it or not. Bradley has been on him from the start and he is very loyal.
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I like his form shooting the ball, including free throws.
What do you think Marillac?
Good form. First thing that jumps out is that he is a four year player. He doesn't have elite length or size that would put him in the draft after a successful season or two. We need that.
He doesn't remind me of Dom at all, for those making that comparison. They key with players like Josh is buying into being a good college four before worrying about the perimeter skills. Everyone wants to be a SF, but the rare gems that embrace the battles down low are the real prizes.
This would be a very good addition and a kid that can grow over four years. I hope everyone keeps the expectations reasonable.
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Hearing it might be between SJU and Bradley believe it or not. Bradley has been on him from the start and he is very loyal.
FWIW:
Roni Levy @Sports_talk91 · 3m
Hearing that St. John's is in really good position to land both Keith Thomas and Josh Cunningham #sjubb
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Has anyone seen these guys play? Any comparisons?
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Hearing it might be between SJU and Bradley believe it or not. Bradley has been on him from the start and he is very loyal.
Interesting Bradley just signed Juco PF today, not sure of implication for Cunningham;
http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/jermaine-morgan (http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/jermaine-morgan)
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Hearing it might be between SJU and Bradley believe it or not. Bradley has been on him from the start and he is very loyal.
Interesting Bradley just signed Juco PF today, not sure of implication for Cunningham;
http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/jermaine-morgan (http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/jermaine-morgan)
You know what's funny on Friday Jerry Meyer of 247 flipped his Crystal Ball from South Carolina to SJU. The yesterday I saw he had Bradley, which did not make a lot of sense. Now today he is back to SJU. Odd.
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Hearing it might be between SJU and Bradley believe it or not. Bradley has been on him from the start and he is very loyal.
Interesting Bradley just signed Juco PF today, not sure of implication for Cunningham;
http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/jermaine-morgan (http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/jermaine-morgan)
You know what's funny on Friday Jerry Meyer of 247 flipped his Crystal Ball from South Carolina to SJU. The yesterday I saw he had Bradley, which did not make a lot of sense. Now today he is back to SJU. Odd.
Just spoke with Meyer via pm. He felt the Juco signing by Bradley would help us, but nothing beyond that. We'll see.
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I like his form shooting the ball, including free throws.
What do you think Marillac?
Good form. First thing that jumps out is that he is a four year player. He doesn't have elite length or size that would put him in the draft after a successful season or two. We need that.
He doesn't remind me of Dom at all, for those making that comparison. They key with players like Josh is buying into being a good college four before worrying about the perimeter skills. Everyone wants to be a SF, but the rare gems that embrace the battles down low are the real prizes.
This would be a very good addition and a kid that can grow over four years. I hope everyone keeps the expectations reasonable.
I dont see dom at all, but I also dont see much that would lead to being a top 100 player. I would welcome him with open arms and hope that the people who do the rankings have seen something that I havnt. You cant tell how smart or how hard a player works in a highlight film. His free throw form does look very good.
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I like his form shooting the ball, including free throws.
What do you think Marillac?
Good form. First thing that jumps out is that he is a four year player. He doesn't have elite length or size that would put him in the draft after a successful season or two. We need that.
He doesn't remind me of Dom at all, for those making that comparison. They key with players like Josh is buying into being a good college four before worrying about the perimeter skills. Everyone wants to be a SF, but the rare gems that embrace the battles down low are the real prizes.
This would be a very good addition and a kid that can grow over four years. I hope everyone keeps the expectations reasonable.
I dont see dom at all, but I also dont see much that would lead to being a top 100 player. I would welcome him with open arms and hope that the people who do the rankings have seen something that I havnt. You cant tell how smart or how hard a player works in a highlight film. His free throw form does look very good.
With where he is ranked...there is so little difference between the 20-30 ahead of him and the 20-30 behind him. Attitude, work ethic, personnel situations, and basketball IQ will decide where these kids go. I have only watched that highlight tape once, and I can't really make out too much in either direction. Teams built with kids where he is ranked tend to be very successful. Sprinkle in some top 25 talents like Jordan and you've got yourself a formula for success.
What I know now is we need four year players. We need guys that come in with a team-first attitude and we need tough kids.
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BTW-There are connections for Bradley and Cunningham, His mom went to school at BU and a former teammate of Josh plays for BU:
It’s believed to have been decades since Bradley last signed a top-100 prospect like Cunningham directly out of high school.
Cunningham’s mother is a BU graduate and Cunningham is good friends with Bradley freshman Xzavier Taylor, a former Morgan Park teammate.
Read more: http://www.pjstar.com/article/20140415/Sports/140419273#ixzz2zTTOJe53 (http://www.pjstar.com/article/20140415/Sports/140419273#ixzz2zTTOJe53)
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Potential additions - deLa Rosa, Thomas, Cunnigham, Felix, C Jones
Losses- Sampson, borgault, hooper, GG, Sanchez
With returning nucleus you guys think we are better or worse? I think we would be better.
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We're definitely worse. Sampson and Sanchez are the two best players on that list, by a decent margin.
Hope I'm wrong. If Christian jones can be half as good as Marillac and Mase expect, then we're probably equal talent wise to what we had last season.
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We're definitely worse. Sampson and Sanchez are the two best players on that list, by a decent margin.
Hope I'm wrong. If Christian jones can be half as good as Marillac and Mase expect, then we're probably equal talent wise to what we had last season.
Could easily see Cunningham being better than Sanchez right away. I was never a fan of Sanchez' game. Thought he hurt the team with not knowing his role.
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We're definitely worse. Sampson and Sanchez are the two best players on that list, by a decent margin.
Hope I'm wrong. If Christian jones can be half as good as Marillac and Mase expect, then we're probably equal talent wise to what we had last season.
Could easily see Cunningham being better than Sanchez right away. I was never a fan of Sanchez' game. Thought he hurt the team with not knowing his role.
I can see some truth to that Ted.
That's the one area I think the replacements may be better, they could be more disciplined and fit the role their being asked to play.
But at the end of the day Sanchez could hit a basket, and so could Sampson. I don't have faith that any these guys can. That's what worries me more than anything else. The scoring droughts. We had trouble scoring last season, now we loose Sampson and Sanchez, that won't help things.
I also think we're mischaracterizing Jakarrs game. He didn't live on the perimeter, and he was an above average rebounder.
Cunningham looks like he could b a good, if undersized defender, Thomas's defense didn't impress me at all.
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We're definitely worse. Sampson and Sanchez are the two best players on that list, by a decent margin.
Hope I'm wrong. If Christian jones can be half as good as Marillac and Mase expect, then we're probably equal talent wise to what we had last season.
Could easily see Cunningham being better than Sanchez right away. I was never a fan of Sanchez' game. Thought he hurt the team with not knowing his role.
For someone who is almost always so positive about everything way to misevaluate an all around talented player and blaming him for not knowing his role. But you as a fan know his role. Guess lavin confided in you over dinner.
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We're definitely worse. Sampson and Sanchez are the two best players on that list, by a decent margin.
Hope I'm wrong. If Christian jones can be half as good as Marillac and Mase expect, then we're probably equal talent wise to what we had last season.
Could easily see Cunningham being better than Sanchez right away. I was never a fan of Sanchez' game. Thought he hurt the team with not knowing his role.
For someone who is almost always so positive about everything way to misevaluate an all around talented player and blaming him for not knowing his role. But you as a fan know his role. Guess lavin confided in you over dinner.
Really dude? Just an opinion.
Also I didn't say he wasn't an all around talented player.
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I think you need to take into consideration improvement in players from year to year.
Safe to say Jordan will be a much better , more confident lead guard next year...Harrison will be Harrison, which is good to great... Obekpa should improve as well..
I haven't seen enough of Thomas, Cunningham, or DeLa Rosa to make any definitive statements...
I think we will be better, more well rounded team next season... Just an opinion.
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I think you need to take into consideration improvement in players from year to year.
Safe to say Jordan will be a much better , more confident lead guard next year...Harrison will be Harrison, which is good to great... Obekpa should improve as well..
I haven't seen enough of Thomas, Cunningham, or DeLa Rosa to make any definitive statements...
I think we will be better, more well rounded team next season... Just an opinion.
I think we need 75% of the shots coming from Harrison and Jordan. Branch needs to start and get this guys the rock
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I think you need to take into consideration improvement in players from year to year.
Safe to say Jordan will be a much better , more confident lead guard next year...Harrison will be Harrison, which is good to great... Obekpa should improve as well..
I haven't seen enough of Thomas, Cunningham, or DeLa Rosa to make any definitive statements...
I think we will be better, more well rounded team next season... Just an opinion.
Two years ago I put a lot of stock in players improving over the summer. Then I saw Dangelo Dom and Phil flatline.
And then last season, how much better were Sampson and Obekpa as sophs compared to their freshmen seasons? Heavy playing time as a frosh skews the curve I think.
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I would start the 3 guards also, Branch, RJ, DH, with Obekpa and whichever forward is the best defensive player and rebounder...
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To be fair tho boo, I'm not sure he's done recruiting yet.
If there is a replacement for hooper/Marco, somebody who can score ...then the talent might be just as good as it was last season. Maybe even better.
So I'm holding out hope for that.
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Branch is still too loose with the ball and showed no confidence in his outside shot. Hopefully he improves in both areas because I do like the 3 guard lineup with him in it.
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Btw, I thought about the transfer thing, and you guys were right.
I stand corrected, there haven't been a disproportionate amount of transfers.
Plenty of other things I can hold against coach, that one probably wasn't fair/accurate.
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Potential additions - deLa Rosa, Thomas, Cunnigham, Felix, C Jones
Losses- Sampson, borgault, hooper, GG, Sanchez
With returning nucleus you guys think we are better or worse? I think we would be better.
If those are the guys we get, I am extremely confident we will be better. I hold jones and Felix in higher regard than most though.
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It's too bad Greene and Branch can't be morphed into a single player...
Greene's shooting ability combined with Branch's court vision and passing ability.. We would have a heck of a third guard... Ha!
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It's too bad Greene and Branch can't be morphed into a single player...
Greene's shooting ability combined with Branch's court vision and passing ability.. We would have a heck of a third guard... Ha!
Haha it is too bad. I would however settle for their minutes being swaped.
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We're definitely worse. Sampson and Sanchez are the two best players on that list, by a decent margin.
Hope I'm wrong. If Christian jones can be half as good as Marillac and Mase expect, then we're probably equal talent wise to what we had last season.
Could easily see Cunningham being better than Sanchez right away. I was never a fan of Sanchez' game. Thought he hurt the team with not knowing his role.
For someone who is almost always so positive about everything way to misevaluate an all around talented player and blaming him for not knowing his role. But you as a fan know his role. Guess lavin confided in you over dinner.
Really dude? Just an opinion.
Also I didn't say he wasn't an all around talented player.
My apologies. Didn't interpret correctly that by saying you were never a fan of his game didn't mean you didn't think he wasn't an all around talented player. Maybe it is just me that doesn't dislike the games of all around talented players.
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We're definitely worse. Sampson and Sanchez are the two best players on that list, by a decent margin.
Hope I'm wrong. If Christian jones can be half as good as Marillac and Mase expect, then we're probably equal talent wise to what we had last season.
Could easily see Cunningham being better than Sanchez right away. I was never a fan of Sanchez' game. Thought he hurt the team with not knowing his role.
For someone who is almost always so positive about everything way to misevaluate an all around talented player and blaming him for not knowing his role. But you as a fan know his role. Guess lavin confided in you over dinner.
Really dude? Just an opinion.
Also I didn't say he wasn't an all around talented player.
My apologies. Didn't interpret correctly that by saying you were never a fan of his game didn't mean you didn't think he wasn't an all around talented player. Maybe it is just me that doesn't dislike the games of all around talented players.
It's really not that hard to understand. He's an all around talented player who thought too often he was a Point Guard, tried to force things offensively, and was a very below average defender. That is why I was not a fan of his game. Talented player, I was just not a fan of many of his on court decisions/awareness.
Talent does not always translate to being good. We of all fan bases should have learned that lesson.
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My point was maybe he played the way his coach wanted him to and I happened to like his game. If he didn't that is on a coach to get his players to play the way he wants them to. Remember besides having to sit out a year he was a juco playing his first yr of D1 ball and most jucos take a year to acclimate to the higher level. Shame he doesn't have a second year because he may have really blossomed.
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Potential additions - deLa Rosa, Thomas, Cunnigham, Felix, C Jones
Losses- Sampson, borgault, hooper, GG, Sanchez
With returning nucleus you guys think we are better or worse? I think we would be better.
I think it's one less big man, a several less experienced big men. Obekpa would have to really show marked improvement combined with Thomas giving us Charles Minlend like production. It's asking a lot. If those guys get into foul trouble, are we going w an out of shape freshman and a Swingman at the 4?
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We're definitely worse. Sampson and Sanchez are the two best players on that list, by a decent margin.
Hope I'm wrong. If Christian jones can be half as good as Marillac and Mase expect, then we're probably equal talent wise to what we had last season.
Whoa whoa...I am not a Christian Jones fan. Don't lump me in that category! If anything, I am a Christian Jones detractor. Also, there isn't a player on that list i wouldn't take over Sanchez. He couldn't cover anyone. And Sampson may have the highest ceiling and may even be the best player there, but he was not a team player, he had no Bball IQ, and he was the least clutch player we've had since Nuri. I'd take a less-talented Thomas over him every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
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Potential additions - deLa Rosa, Thomas, Cunnigham, Felix, C Jones
Losses- Sampson, borgault, hooper, GG, Sanchez
With returning nucleus you guys think we are better or worse? I think we would be better.
No question we are WAY better. Exponentially. Sampson and Sanchez hurt this team repeatedly. With them gone, we only have to worry about Dom shooting us in the foot over and over again. My guess is that will be remedied as well.
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I'm all for getting these guys, but can we please get a commit before we start penciling them in our rotation please lol
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I'm all for getting these guys, but can we please get a commit before we start penciling them in our rotation please lol
Amen. And how do we feel that we are fighting Bradley for a recruit?
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I'm all for getting these guys, but can we please get a commit before we start penciling them in our rotation please lol
Amen. And how do we feel that we are fighting Bradley for a recruit?
the definition of trolling
Would Cunningham be Cluess' highest-rated incoming freshman in his time at Iona?
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I'm all for getting these guys, but can we please get a commit before we start penciling them in our rotation please lol
Amen. And how do we feel that we are fighting Bradley for a recruit?
the definition of trolling
Would Cunningham be Cluess' highest-rated incoming freshman in his time at Iona?
Is he not choosing between Bradley and St. Johns?
What does Cluess have to do with this topic?
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I'm all for getting these guys, but can we please get a commit before we start penciling them in our rotation please lol
Amen. And how do we feel that we are fighting Bradley for a recruit?
Baldi, what's your point?
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I'm all for getting these guys, but can we please get a commit before we start penciling them in our rotation please lol
Amen. And how do we feel that we are fighting Bradley for a recruit?
I actually like it. Not so much that we're battling Bradley, but that Cunningham is loyal. Bradley showed him love from the get go, and he likely grew close with the staff/team. Says something about his character that he is still strongly considering them as a destination - but I hope he picks us.
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I'm all for getting these guys, but can we please get a commit before we start penciling them in our rotation please lol
Amen. And how do we feel that we are fighting Bradley for a recruit?
Baldis trolling has gotten out of hand this offseason. Being a mod of another site I hate saying this since it isn't my place to comment but it's time for the mods or owner of this site to out this crap to an end.
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Why should the Bradley thing matter? If he can play, he can play. We aren't in a position to snub our nose at anyone that can help this team. We just spent a year complaining about how we didn't have any good role players , just a bunch of prima-donnas. Now, all of a sudden, we are too good for them.
I know it's just a troll job, but it's a weak one.
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Is he or is he not choosing between SJU and Bradley? If yes,how am I trolling?
And maybe stop comparing St Johns to midmajors like Iona?
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Being a mod of another site I hate saying this since it isn't my place to comment but it's time for the mods or owner of this site to out this crap to an end.
I understand your frustration: there's nothing sadder than a fascist without a concentration camp. Maybe you can instigate a secret vote over at at RDC and ban him from there preemptively. Then afterwards you can burn him in effigy in on a bonfire of books that you deem undesirable. It's not a final solution by any means but you have to start somewhere.
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I think you need to take into consideration improvement in players from year to year.
Safe to say Jordan will be a much better , more confident lead guard next year...Harrison will be Harrison, which is good to great... Obekpa should improve as well..
I haven't seen enough of Thomas, Cunningham, or DeLa Rosa to make any definitive statements...
I think we will be better, more well rounded team next season... Just an opinion.
I think we need 75% of the shots coming from Harrison and Jordan. Branch needs to start and get this guys the rock
Based on assessment by fellow posters, these kids sound like good additions...still think we need a shooter
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Is he or is he not choosing between SJU and Bradley? If yes,how am I trolling?
And maybe stop comparing St Johns to midmajors like Iona?
He is choosing between St Johns, Bradley, Indiana, and South Carolina (where he recently visited officially). Your provocation manipulates the story to make it look like we are competing with only a singular low/mid major for a recruit.
This aside, Cunningham is a fringe top 100 recruit at a position of need for SJU. If it was between us and Nassau Community for his services, I couldn't care less. Objectively, he is a relatively highly rated HS senior who is at worst a positional fit for us presently. I hope we get him.
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There was a previous post on this page that it was between the 2 schools.
I'm not criticizing the player, I'm criticizing the staff for doing nothing until now. If this kid chooses Bradley, then what?
Hopefully we get him.
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This is a great situation to be a freshman in. Play some this year, learn, get your feet wet, and next season return with a good chance to be a big part of the team.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Josh Cunningham expected to announce this week, but Nick Irvin said they have yet to set a day.
@NYPost_Brazille: Chicago forward Josh Cunningham visited St John's Saturday and visit went "really good. He liked it" his coach Nick Irvin said. #sjubb
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Hope he picks us. It would be a good decision for him imo. The two guys that preceded him were both big easy ROY's at the forward spot. The kid can come in with little existing competition on the roster. Hard to see it as anything but a good situation for an athletic kid to play on a team like this where there's nobody ahead of him playing-time wise.
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This is a great situation to be a freshman in. Play some this year, learn, get your feet wet, and next season return with a good chance to be a big part of the team.
Agreed. That's how good teams are built. I can't help but think the current seniors got he short end of the stick. It would have been something else to have that 2010-2011 team around for their freshman year.
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This is a great situation to be a freshman in. Play some this year, learn, get your feet wet, and next season return with a good chance to be a big part of the team.
Agreed. That's how good teams are built. I can't help but think the current seniors got he short end of the stick. It would have been something else to have that 2010-2011 team around for their freshman year.
They wouldn't have been at St Johns if the 2010-11 team was still around. D'angelo, Dom, Moe etc weren't going to come here if they had to sit behind DJ, Paris and co. for a year.
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This is a great situation to be a freshman in. Play some this year, learn, get your feet wet, and next season return with a good chance to be a big part of the team.
Agreed. That's how good teams are built. I can't help but think the current seniors got he short end of the stick. It would have been something else to have that 2010-2011 team around for their freshman year.
They wouldn't have been at St Johns if the 2010-11 team was still around. D'angelo, Dom, Moe etc weren't going to come here if they had to sit behind DJ, Paris and co. for a year.
Perhaps, Lavin lured a great class because everyone had a shot at starting.
He can basically do the same for 2015 class but a better structured scholarship table is what I want going forward
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This is a great situation to be a freshman in. Play some this year, learn, get your feet wet, and next season return with a good chance to be a big part of the team.
Agreed. That's how good teams are built. I can't help but think the current seniors got he short end of the stick. It would have been something else to have that 2010-2011 team around for their freshman year.
They wouldn't have been at St Johns if the 2010-11 team was still around. D'angelo, Dom, Moe etc weren't going to come here if they had to sit behind DJ, Paris and co. for a year.
Perhaps, Lavin lured a great class because everyone had a shot at starting.
He can basically do the same for 2015 class but a better structured scholarship table is what I want going forward
I agree, a mix is ideal. If by some stroke of magic both Jordan and Obekpa return next season, that would be ideal 3 full time openings.
Some useful role players returning - Jones, Felix, Thomas?, ADR... but who certainly aren't guaranteed a starting spot.
That let's coach offer guys like Diallo and Briscoe the playing time they want.
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This is a great situation to be a freshman in. Play some this year, learn, get your feet wet, and next season return with a good chance to be a big part of the team.
Agreed. That's how good teams are built. I can't help but think the current seniors got he short end of the stick. It would have been something else to have that 2010-2011 team around for their freshman year.
They wouldn't have been at St Johns if the 2010-11 team was still around. D'angelo, Dom, Moe etc weren't going to come here if they had to sit behind DJ, Paris and co. for a year.
Agreed. I think a few of them would have still come, but it's that special type of kid wililng to wait a year and compete that makes teams like Syraucse elite. They had back to back lotterly picks come off the bench...unreal.
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Joe Henricksen does a high school blog for the Chicago Sun-Times. Just finished a recruiting Q & A and sure enough the first question is about the best area kid still not committed, Josh Cunningham. From an Indiana fan:
QUESTION: I’m a big Hoosier fan in Indiana. I follow your stuff in Illinois and enjoy it, but I wanted to know what is going on with Josh Cunningham? What’s taking so long for this decision? And who is it really down to? Go Hoosiers!
–– Riley Red from Noblesville, Ind.
HOOPS REPORT: This has been a hot question of late. And this has been an extremely tough and difficult decision for Josh Cunningham. That reason alone is why it’s taken so long.
And when you have such a wide variety of finalists that offer so many different things, there is quite a bit to dissect. I did check in on his recruitment and was told it’s still very much back and forth as recently as April 21.
Bradley, the school that has been on Cunningham the longest, has ties to the Morgan Park senior and those around him. He would be an absolute great get and steal for coach Geno Ford if Cunningham stays home and plays in the Missouri Valley, where his size and athleticism can play at a different level in the MVC.
But your Hoosiers, Riley Red, are right there. They've done a good job, along with South Carolina and, a late darkhorse, St. John’s, in making a late run at one of the top unsigned players in the country.This one really is too close to call.
http://www.highschoolcubenews.com/news_article/show/378315?referrer_id=599124#sthash.ehpxkvgV.dpuf (http://www.highschoolcubenews.com/news_article/show/378315?referrer_id=599124#sthash.ehpxkvgV.dpuf)
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This is a great situation to be a freshman in. Play some this year, learn, get your feet wet, and next season return with a good chance to be a big part of the team.
Agreed. That's how good teams are built. I can't help but think the current seniors got he short end of the stick. It would have been something else to have that 2010-2011 team around for their freshman year.
They wouldn't have been at St Johns if the 2010-11 team was still around. D'angelo, Dom, Moe etc weren't going to come here if they had to sit behind DJ, Paris and co. for a year.
Agreed. I think a few of them would have still come, but it's that special type of kid wililng to wait a year and compete that makes teams like Syraucse elite. They had back to back lotterly picks come off the bench...unreal.
Absolutely. I think you are right, some may have come. But certainly not the whole group.
I wonder sometimes how different this team would be if Pelle would've made it to campus.
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Getting good vibes on this one....
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Getting good vibes on this one....
Good vibes or good info?
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Getting good vibes on this one....
Good vibes or good info?
Vibes. I just think this thing seems to be trending towards SJU...
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Eric Gardner Purdue Insider TheBlackHammer Follow on Twitter
St. John's
And Eric Gardner of 247 becomes the 3rd expert to say Cunningham will be headed to SJU, via Crystal Ball.
http://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Josh-Cunningham-at-Morgan-Park-28617/CurrentExpertPredictions (http://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Josh-Cunningham-at-Morgan-Park-28617/CurrentExpertPredictions)
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If Lavin could pull off Cunningham and Thomas I will have to hand it to him. We will be in real good shape next year. he also needs to groom a SG for the future or pick up a SG transfer,.
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One last visit for Josh going to visit DePaul tomorrow:
The 6-7 small forward plans to decide between Bradley, DePaul, Indiana, St. John’s, and South Carolina and sign during the spring signing period which began last Wednesday.
Before that choice comes, Cunningham will be on campus in Lincoln Park for an unofficial visit at DePaul on Wednesday.
http://depaul.scout.com/2/1396248.html (http://depaul.scout.com/2/1396248.html)
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One last visit for Josh going to visit DePaul tomorrow:
The 6-7 small forward plans to decide between Bradley, DePaul, Indiana, St. John’s, and South Carolina and sign during the spring signing period which began last Wednesday.
Before that choice comes, Cunningham will be on campus in Lincoln Park for an unofficial visit at DePaul on Wednesday.
http://depaul.scout.com/2/1396248.html (http://depaul.scout.com/2/1396248.html)
I like our chances with that group. He won't get a chance to play at IU. Bradley been on him a long time, but he'd have better exposure and better league here. I don't see us losing him to DePaul unless he's dead set on staying in Chicago. Fingers crossed. We need active forwards like this.
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One last visit for Josh going to visit DePaul tomorrow:
The 6-7 small forward plans to decide between Bradley, DePaul, Indiana, St. John’s, and South Carolina and sign during the spring signing period which began last Wednesday.
Before that choice comes, Cunningham will be on campus in Lincoln Park for an unofficial visit at DePaul on Wednesday.
http://depaul.scout.com/2/1396248.html (http://depaul.scout.com/2/1396248.html)
I like our chances with that group. He won't get a chance to play at IU. Bradley been on him a long time, but he'd have better exposure and better league here. I don't see us losing him to DePaul unless he's dead set on staying in Chicago. Fingers crossed. We need active forwards like this.
...active forwards that can shoot free-throws (which he looks like he can do)
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Interesting article from last spring. Looks like he has some range. I think he will end up being more of a SF in college anyway, but that is something SJU needs as well. In this article, he was 5-10 from 3 in this one weekend of play. Hopefully he hones his sf skills.
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/28/josh-cunningham-shows-out-with-jahlil-okafor-nursing-an-ankle/ (http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/28/josh-cunningham-shows-out-with-jahlil-okafor-nursing-an-ankle/)
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I don't think DePaul is really in play. If he stays local (Illinois) I believe it will be Bradley.
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If he is visiting DePaul unofficially he obviously hasn't made up his mind and is having a tough time doing so. Hopefully in commits to us and if he does it would appear Lavin's late recruiting pitch was the deciding factor.
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If he is visiting DePaul unofficially he obviously hasn't made up his mind and is having a tough time doing so. Hopefully in commits to us and if he does it would appear Lavin's late recruiting pitch was the deciding factor.
It may simply be a courtesy visit. Orr's coach scratches Purnell's back, and if Orr eventually has some kids who want to stay home, Purnell returns the scratch, either by recruiting them for real or "recruiting" them to help drum up other interest for the kids.
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If he is visiting DePaul unofficially he obviously hasn't made up his mind and is having a tough time doing so. Hopefully in commits to us and if he does it would appear Lavin's late recruiting pitch was the deciding factor.
It may simply be a courtesy visit. Orr's coach scratches Purnell's back, and if Orr eventually has some kids who want to stay home, Purnell returns the scratch, either by recruiting them for real or "recruiting" them to help drum up other interest for the kids.
He is tight with Billy Garrett & his dad. I too believe, however, Bradley is team to worry about.
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This kid is obviously having a hard time deciding, I would love to have him regardless but he has transfer candidate written all over him if does commit to SJU. Could easily see him giving it a go and if it doenst go as he planned back to chicago he goes. Worth a shot though
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This kid is obviously having a hard time deciding, I would love to have him regardless but he has transfer candidate written all over him if does commit to SJU. Could easily see him giving it a go and if it doenst go as he planned back to chicago he goes. Worth a shot though
What?
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This kid is obviously having a hard time deciding, I would love to have him regardless but he has transfer candidate written all over him if does commit to SJU. Could easily see him giving it a go and if it doenst go as he planned back to chicago he goes. Worth a shot though
What?
Not many kids return to Chicago these days. 48 people were killed or injjured last weekend alone. They don't call it Chiraq for nothing.
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Bloody poor taste Mr. Marillac.
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Bloody poor taste Mr. Marillac.
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Do you think the 48 families find your post amusing? Poor show mate
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Do you think the 48 families find your post amusing? Poor show mate
I was stating facts...not trying to amuse anyone. There were 48 incidents this past wekeend.
Are you British?
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Van chill yo. Dis guy tryin b funny,
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Yes. I live in France if it is any of your business. Mr. Marilac and Mr. Bigmax I am not sure where that post came from. Why are we chatting about crime in a bloody recruit post.
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Hey J Van, are the Johnnies big in France?
Btw, I thought Mary Jarou was from France. Then I found out she is from Flint, Michigan.
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I am mates with Marco's family.
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"“He’s still not sure,” his coach Nick Irvin said Tuesday. “He liked his visit to St. John’s. He really liked the campus. He’s not narrowed his list. It’s a hard decision for him.”
Irvin said USC, St. John’s, Indiana, DePaul and Bradley are all still on the board with Cunningham who has been in touch with coaches from all the schools.
Irvin said he doubts an announcement will be made this week because he is going out of town this weekend and Cunningham wants him to be present when he makes the announcement."
http://sportstalksc.com/index.php/2014/04/22/cunningham-will-take-one-more-visit-this-week-before-he-makes-his-decision/ (http://sportstalksc.com/index.php/2014/04/22/cunningham-will-take-one-more-visit-this-week-before-he-makes-his-decision/)
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Yes. I live in France if it is any of your business. Mr. Marilac and Mr. Bigmax I am not sure where that post came from. Why are we chatting about crime in a bloody recruit post.
This sounds like Happy Rappy ...
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This kid is obviously having a hard time deciding, I would love to have him regardless but he has transfer candidate written all over him if does commit to SJU. Could easily see him giving it a go and if it doenst go as he planned back to chicago he goes. Worth a shot though
I think any incoming STJ player will see ample opportunity for playing time, but as we saw with Norm Roberts, if selling PT is the you've got, your target should go to another program. One with better things to say about why it's a good idea to come here.
The last 3 players who are about the same size, height and body weight as Cunningham jane moved to pro ball. Harkless, by and large has been a success in the NBA. Hopefully, Sampson will see that success as well.
That, combined with the chance to learn from seniors who previously finished 3rd the BE is a lot to be positive about. Next year, it's a new team, and some of those roles, hopefully, will be up for grabs this season. That's how you run a program. You build from within as much as you can.
Now, we know that everything has not turned out like we all had hoped, but not everyone agrees with the sentiment that when we lose it's all on the coach. Some recruits who say, for example get after it defensively all the time, might take issue with some of the glaring defensive efficiencies we showed. If one guy is playing man, and another is playing zone, that's not on Lavin. And that happened all the time last year.
I bet he comes because STJ is a good option. For a lot of reasons.
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Cunningham better than Christian Jones?
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Cunningham better than Christian Jones?
Don't see how anyone could really say that at this point. Christian has been working on his body/game for 2 seasons now, Cunningham is still in HS. No one has seen Christian in game action in some time.
Hopefully Cunningham comes here and we will know that answer by January.
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Cunningham better than Christian Jones?
Don't see how anyone could really say that at this point. Christian has been working on his body/game for 2 seasons now, Cunningham is still in HS. No one has seen Christian in game action in some time.
Hopefully Cunningham comes here and we will know that answer by January.
2 years ago, Lavin was impressed with Jones. Hopefully, he's worked the kinks out. In the two pre-season games from the 12-13 season, he showed a lot of potential. From what I recall, in the brief time we saw him get off the bench, he had a had a nice jumper, good passing skills and he can throw it down—but we only saw him do it in transition.
IMO, the reason he barely played was because he needed a lot of work on d.
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Cunningham better than Christian Jones?
Cunningham more of a wing I think.
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Cunningham better than Christian Jones?
Cunningham more of a wing I think.
He seems closer to a Jakarr type rather than CJ.
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Cunningham better than Christian Jones?
Cunningham more of a wing I think.
He seems closer to a Jakarr type rather than CJ.
Yup, he is.
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Cunningham averaged 15 rpg this past season. Jones in his last season before college averaged like 5 rpg. Cunningham is a top 125 player. Jones was a project who Lavin noticed because he played with Phil at IMG. I actually don't think Jones will ever be the player Cunningham is, so I really hope we get him.
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From what I read the primary suitors for Josh are: Bradley, South Carolina and Depaul.
At the small forward position, Bradley should graduate Tyshon Pickett who played 33.3 min/game. They have a junior Chris Blake who played 9.5 min/game. They also have to big guards who could move up front to get minutes Jordan Swopshire and Stefan Zecevic. They already have a letter of intent from Donte Thomas.
At the small forward position, South Carolina has a fairly young group. Sophomore Mindaugas Kadnas played 24.1 min/game. Michael Carrera played 19.7 min/game, Brian Steele (Sophomore) played 9.9 min/game and Reggie Theus Jr. played only 3.5 min/game. South Carolina has a verbal commit from Shamick Sheppard.
I haven't investigated DePaul for playing time, but it seems like the draw is: "close to home". Some one else pointed out, that it seems the NCAA will let you transfer home without sitting out a year. Based on that, it seems you are better off trying a school that is away from home, because if you don't like it, you can transfer home without sitting out. If you stay home, and it doesn't work out, you probably have to sit out when you transfer.
If playing time is a concern to Josh, then the situation at SJU seems ideal. Of course, as SJU and DePaul are conference rivals, transferring home might not be an option.
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Cunningham averaged 15 rpg this past season. Jones in his last season before college averaged like 5 rpg. Cunningham is a top 125 player. Jones was a project who Lavin noticed because he played with Phil at IMG. I actually don't think Jones will ever be the player Cunningham is, so I really hope we get him.
You obviously didn't get the memo that Jones is going to easily replace Sampson.
That's taken as fact around here lately.
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Cunningham averaged 15 rpg this past season. Jones in his last season before college averaged like 5 rpg. Cunningham is a top 125 player. Jones was a project who Lavin noticed because he played with Phil at IMG. I actually don't think Jones will ever be the player Cunningham is, so I really hope we get him.
You obviously didn't get the memo that Jones is going to easily replace Sampson.
That's taken as fact around here lately.
Those expectations, although lofty, are exactly what a good program does. You replace a guy who goes pro with a kid who's waited for his turn.
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Cunningham averaged 15 rpg this past season. Jones in his last season before college averaged like 5 rpg. Cunningham is a top 125 player. Jones was a project who Lavin noticed because he played with Phil at IMG. I actually don't think Jones will ever be the player Cunningham is, so I really hope we get him.
You obviously didn't get the memo that Jones is going to easily replace Sampson.
That's taken as fact around here lately.
Those expectations, although lofty, are exactly what a good program does. You replace a guy who goes pro with a kid who's waited for his turn.
I agree, but those aren't reasonable expectations when one player with someone of lesser talent.
Good programs replace guys of Sampson's caliber with someone of relatively equal ability. We did that roughly when Jakarr replaced Moe.
We're not doing that now.
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Cunningham#88 on final 14 Rivals list;
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/rankings/rank-2993 (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/rankings/rank-2993)
Btw, @WisBBYearbook: Big East with 19 players and Big 10 with 18 players in final Rivals rankings of the Top 150 players in the class of 2014.
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Cunningham averaged 15 rpg this past season. Jones in his last season before college averaged like 5 rpg. Cunningham is a top 125 player. Jones was a project who Lavin noticed because he played with Phil at IMG. I actually don't think Jones will ever be the player Cunningham is, so I really hope we get him.
You obviously didn't get the memo that Jones is going to easily replace Sampson.
That's taken as fact around here lately.
Those expectations, although lofty, are exactly what a good program does. You replace a guy who goes pro with a kid who's waited for his turn.
I agree, but those aren't reasonable expectations when one player with someone of lesser talent.
Good programs replace guys of Sampson's caliber with someone of relatively equal ability. We did that roughly when Jakarr replaced Moe.
We're not doing that now.
I hear ya. And you're right, but what I'm hoping for (not expecting) is that Jones has really worked on his game, and when we see him next November, he'll be playing like a guy that will fill the void. Sampson is more talented than Jones. We know that.
But Sampson was a slow learner. As much as we loved his quick first step the basket, he often made so many mental mistakes that they offset his offensive contributions. AND that's not coaching, that was all him.
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You obviously didn't get the memo that Jones is going to easily replace Sampson.
If I had gotten it I would have immediately burned it.
I don't think Jones ever gives us anything. If we get 4 and 3 from him as a senior I'll be pleased.
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You obviously didn't get the memo that Jones is going to easily replace Sampson.
If I had gotten it I would have immediately burned it.
I don't think Jones ever gives us anything. If we get 4 and 3 from him as a senior I'll be pleased.
As a freshmen in games that he got double digit minutes, he averaged 5 and 2.5. He only got 20 minutes in 3 of those 9 games.
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You obviously didn't get the memo that Jones is going to easily replace Sampson.
I think he will be solid contributor next season
If I had gotten it I would have immediately burned it.
I don't think Jones ever gives us anything. If we get 4 and 3 from him as a senior I'll be pleased.
As a freshmen in games that he got double digit minutes, he averaged 5 and 2.5. He only got 20 minutes in 3 of those 9 games.
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Cunningham or bust now
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Why Cunningham or bust, who did we lose?
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Why Cunningham or bust, who did we lose?
Sanchez, Sampson and Gift
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I know that, thought you were talking about other recruits.
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Logan/Marco let's keep this about Cunningham
I know. My apologies (which in my defense I included in the off-topic post :p).
I think Thomas is the biggest need to be filled. If we get Thomas, we SHOULD be an NCAA team (I feel like i've heard/said that before). Cunningham would be a nice piece, but isn't as important in my eyes (even though he's the more highly rated player) to the immediate needs of the team. I think his biggest help would be balancing the classes and keeping talent on our team over the next few years. Obviously I'm not exactly a recruiting expert and could be way off-base on this, but based off of what I've heard/seen, that's the way I see it.
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Logan/Marco let's keep this about Cunningham
I know. My apologies (which in my defense I included in the off-topic post :p).
I think Thomas is the biggest need to be filled. If we get Thomas, we SHOULD be an NCAA team (I feel like i've heard/said that before). Cunningham would be a nice piece, but isn't as important in my eyes (even though he's the more highly rated player) to the immediate needs of the team. I think his biggest help would be balancing the classes and keeping talent on our team over the next few years. Obviously I'm not exactly a recruiting expert and could be way off-base on this, but based off of what I've heard/seen, that's the way I see it.
How can any of us know which one of Thomas or Cunningham would help us more? If you're picturing Thomas as the next Lamont Middleton or Charles Minlend, I am too. Have at it, but it's almost May, and this is our most glorious part of the season.
Just know that it's our imaginations that have created these comparisons. IDK where, if at all how the case can be made that these dreams could in some way be based in reality.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65yx_IA8OXE#t=222 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65yx_IA8OXE#t=222)
This is my favorite video ive seen of him, its his state championship game from his senior year. On three or four occasions he goes out of his area to steal rebounds away. He looks to block out before pursuing the ball, and his first reaction is to give it up to a guard which would be a welcomed change. Good form on his FT and a real solid athlete with a solid frame that could add muscle.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akprtQOlzMo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akprtQOlzMo)
another video that shows more of his outside game.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtXywffuL5o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtXywffuL5o)
Another one that I dont think has been posted.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65yx_IA8OXE#t=222 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65yx_IA8OXE#t=222)
This is my favorite video ive seen of him, its his state championship game from his senior year. On three or four occasions he goes out of his area to steal rebounds away. He looks to block out before pursuing the ball, and his first reaction is to give it up to a guard which would be a welcomed change. Good form on his FT and a real solid athlete with a solid frame that could add muscle.
Wow love the effort from him in that video.
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Logan/Marco let's keep this about Cunningham
I know. My apologies (which in my defense I included in the off-topic post :p).
I think Thomas is the biggest need to be filled. If we get Thomas, we SHOULD be an NCAA team (I feel like i've heard/said that before). Cunningham would be a nice piece, but isn't as important in my eyes (even though he's the more highly rated player) to the immediate needs of the team. I think his biggest help would be balancing the classes and keeping talent on our team over the next few years. Obviously I'm not exactly a recruiting expert and could be way off-base on this, but based off of what I've heard/seen, that's the way I see it.
How can any of us know which one of Thomas or Cunningham would help us more? If you're picturing Thomas as the next Lamont Middleton or Charles Minlend, I am too. Have at it, but it's almost May, and this is our most glorious part of the season.
Just know that it's our imaginations that have created these comparisons. IDK where, if at all how the case can be made that these dreams could in some way be based in reality.
You're right. We don't know for sure. But this is the offseason, which means it's time to speculate. Based off of what I've gathered from people who have seen them play much more than I have (as well as looking at the stats), I think Thomas' rebounding is a bigger asset to us than someone has been described as more of a 3/4 scorer. Will it play out that way? Hopefully we get to find out.
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Back to Josh Cunningham. Indiana landed a 6-9 kid today, Tim Priller, putting IU at 12 scholarships. Something tells me they don't think they are a player for Cunningham anymore:
http://www.insidethehall.com/scholarship-numbers/ (http://www.insidethehall.com/scholarship-numbers/)
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Back to Josh Cunningham. Indiana landed a 6-9 kid today, Tim Priller, putting IU at 12 scholarships. Something tells me they don't think they are a player for Cunningham anymore:
http://www.insidethehall.com/scholarship-numbers/ (http://www.insidethehall.com/scholarship-numbers/)
Really hope we land the kid. Seems like he has a nice ceiling, excellent athleticism and is a budding wing with a good motor.
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Go to land Cunningham and Thomas at this point
I think that would be enough to get through the year although another big and shooter would be useful
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Go to land Cunningham and Thomas at this point
I think that would be enough to get through the year although another big and shooter would be useful
Think we will still need a shooter
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Will announce his decision on Tuesday at 3PM (which I figure is CST which means 4 PM NY time) at his HS:
Joshua Cunningham @JoshMCunningham · 10m
I will be announcing what school I will be attending on Tuesday at 3 PM at Morgan Park high school. @NICKIRV
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Should be an interesting week
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Go to land Cunningham and Thomas at this point
I think that would be enough to get through the year although another big and shooter would be useful
Think we will still need a shooter
Phil Greene shoots 40 percent from three. Who do you think will come in and do better than that?
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Indiana is not on the kid anymore. They were his top choice for a long time, until February or so. He wants to play the 3 in college. He will either stay local (Bradley), or go to SJU or South Carolina. Given the turmoil in South Carolina, and JaKarr and Harkless' performances while at SJU, I would think he picks SJU over the local choice. Hopefully he can develop into a wing like he wants, and understand that it will take - i.e., not bolt when things aren't going as quick as he wants them to, like Polee.
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Fellow Chicago boy.
I know the rule is stupid and almost entirely impossible to enforce but technically if you are considered even LOOSELY a booster of a school you should not be making contact with a unsigned recruit even over social media.
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@philgreene31: All the fans show @JoshMCunningham some love #SJUBB #UnfinishedBusiness
Cant be a bad sign
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@philgreene31: All the fans show @JoshMCunningham some love #SJUBB #UnfinishedBusiness
Cant be a bad sign
Assuming Phil prob knows him or at least his circles. He wants to be a wing and imo, he looks more like a wing than a PF. He does seem to like to work the glass as well though which is great. Lavin can afford to give him a shot as a wing next year without a problem because right now our only wing is Pointer who is totally different with no jump shooting game and is not real good on the glass.
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@philgreene31: All the fans show @JoshMCunningham some love #SJUBB #UnfinishedBusiness
Cant be a bad sign
Assuming Phil prob knows him or at least his circles. He wants to be a wing and imo, he looks more like a wing than a PF. He does seem to like to work the glass as well though which is great. Lavin can afford to give him a shot as a wing next year without a problem because right now our only wing is Pointer who is totally different with no jump shooting game and is not real good on the glass.
Both Thomas and Cunningham are perfect fits, let's hope we get both. One a PF rebounder the other a SF who sight unseen you would think has to have a better outside shot than Dom who can still help us in other ways.
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Fwiw, don't disregard DePaul in this one.
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That tweet was deleted, maybe there's already some inside info and they don't want any leaks?
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Fwiw, don't disregard DePaul in this one.
I was thinking that also. Irvin and the Garrett's seem tight.
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Jerry Meyer, a guy I respect, is now calling Bradley.
http://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Josh-Cunningham-at-Morgan-Park-28617/CurrentExpertPredictions (http://247sports.com/PlayerInstitution/Josh-Cunningham-at-Morgan-Park-28617/CurrentExpertPredictions)
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Weird though, same thing happened over the visit last weekend where he initially had Bradley, switched to SJU for the visit, then briefly switched back to Bradley (without indicating he ever picked SJU) and then switched to SJU again. Now he is saying Bradley but it also says his last choice was Bradley, 4/19.
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Weird though, same thing happened over the visit last weekend where he initially had Bradley, switched to SJU for the visit, then briefly switched back to Bradley (without indicating he ever picked SJU) and then switched to SJU again. Now he is saying Bradley but it also says his last choice was Bradley, 4/19.
No, it has been updated to 4/28. I also received a pm from him verifying his current choice.
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@AdamZagoria: All signs point to 2014 F
@JoshMCunningham staying local instead of picking #sjubb or @BluejayMBB . He announces Tuesday.
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@AdamZagoria: All signs point to 2014 F
@JoshMCunningham staying local instead of picking #sjubb or @BluejayMBB . He announces Tuesday.
Yeah looks like it is Bradley.
God Bless I respect loyalty.
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Is this the part where we say he was no good anyway?
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No this is where he gets blamed for losing a kid to Bradley. :2funny: :2funny:
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does that make sense for him? I'm not saying he should choose SJU, but for a top 100 kid, there are plenty of high and mid majors where he could get quality coaching, a platform to showcase his skills, and quality competition. Bradley doesn't seem to offer these things. Maybe he is looking for a future out of basketball or has some other compelling reason that hasn't been discussed (having a parent that's an alum doesn't seem that compelling to me, but I've been wrong before)
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Embarrassing
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Embarrassing
If you are talking about yourself and your use of the English language we agree.
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So predictable, Baldi
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You guys kidding me or what?
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You guys kidding me or what?
Ok, I'll bite out of boredom..... kidding about what?
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You guys kidding me or what?
His mom is a Bradley alum, his high school teammate plays there, adn they were on him first. IF he chooses them, he picked them over IU as well.
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Embarrassing
no embarrassing would be if he picked Iona over SJU :)
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If his parents went to college in Perioa, shouldn't that be enough to dissuade him from going there?
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Gotta respect him for staying with Bradley. Oh well. Thomas is the recruit I wanted the most. If we don't get him I'm going to be super pissed
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I have to agree with Baldi's on this one. Choosing Bradley over the Big East and a likely starting SF spot at msg is embarrassing. Would be an epic fail imo. Bradley plays in a league with IUPUI and Alabama State. Not good at all if this happens. This is ehst happens when Lavin is late to the table and pushes recruiting back from the summer until March to make a push.
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I have to agree with Baldi's on this one. Choosing Bradley over the Big East and a likely starting SF spot at msg is embarrassing. Would be an epic fail imo. Bradley plays in a league with IUPUI and Alabama State. Not good at all if this happens. This is ehst happens when Lavin is late to the table and pushes recruiting back from the summer until March to make a push.
Then how do you explain Indiana or Creigton (Big East) or DePaul (Big East) or South Carolina? It should have been a slam dunk for them. Bottom line is Bradley led for all the above reasons I stated, SJU made a big push to emerge above all the others as the clear alternative. If he was leaving the state of Illinois it was for SJU and I honestly believe it was trending that way. But Bradley was always right there.
The comment implies that another coach could have gotten him and I just showed you 3 accomplished coaches 1 of whom has been to the FInal Four and none of them landed him.
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Sucks if we don't get this kid. Probably not a pgrogram changer either way but I thought he would be a solid 4 year player that could have added some much needed stability to a team that will see a lot of departing students next year.
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What's worse - Baldi trolling or people attacking him?
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Go to land Cunningham and Thomas at this point
I think that would be enough to get through the year although another big and shooter would be useful
Think we will still need a shooter
Phil Greene shoots 40 percent from three. Who do you think will come in and do better than that?
Can't argue with Phil's accuracy when he catches and shoots...I think we need someone who can create his own shot...IMO Phil is not adept at shooting off the drbble
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Malik-Abu, Terrell, Whitehead and Cunningham would make Lavs 0/4 with top100 targets this year.
A ton of that can be attributed to immediate playing time, which is what most elite recruits covet. I'm still holding out hope that he's a Johnnie, Phils tweet today leaves hope.
This kid Jay Henderson is a stud, and has played high level AAU ball in Orlando for years. He's guided his HS to multiple state championships along Joel Berry (UNC).
If we lose out on Cunningham, and I were the staff, I'd have Henderson on campus immediately and lock him up. He's another 4year player who will blossom with a player development specialist like Rico. I've read that he's a high character kid too.
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What's worse - Baldi trolling or people attacking him?
Root Canal v. Colonoscopy
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who is attacking Baldi?
MCNPA- what makes you think Cunningham, as a frosh, would be able to start at SF , over Sr. Dom Pointer? I know Pointer isn't great, but he going to be a 4th year BE player and someone coach has loved for whatever reason.
Anyhow, I would be shocked if we aren't 3 guard lineup with Obekpa, Jones/Thomas (hopefully)
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Baldi isn't wrong on this one. If we don't land Cunningham and Thomas, our recruiting sucks this year. It's the staff's to own. I'm not a fan of Baldi. I've been critical of him. He's not wrong in this instance. I don't care whether Bradley is the local school. SJU has been missing on those types of kids for decades now. We have no frontcourt and no competition on the roster for Cunningham, yet still can't land a top 100 kid now. It's ridiculous. I'll hold judgement unit tomorrow's press conference, but we can't compete without a front court and right now we have none. Zip, zero. Can't compete with the big boys with no talent coming in.
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What about Adonis the Giant and Thomas... If we land Thomas, do you still think we can't compete upfront w/ Obekpa, Jones, Thomas, Adonis?
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Thomas was always the key. Cunningham would have been a terrific late get but he was always more of a future player. His impact would not have been that great next year. Whereas Thomas will be.
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Baldi isn't wrong on this one. If we don't land Cunningham and Thomas, our recruiting sucks this year. It's the staff's to own. I'm not a fan of Baldi. I've been critical of him. He's not wrong in this instance.
The problem isn't that he chose Bradley over us, the problem is the staff's late push to land someone. If they were recruiting kids early like they should have maybe we land a quality 3. Instead, we make a late push for a kid whose been a Bradley lean all along.
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Baldi isn't wrong on this one. If we don't land Cunningham and Thomas, our recruiting sucks this year. It's the staff's to own. I'm not a fan of Baldi. I've been critical of him. He's not wrong in this instance.
The problem isn't that he chose Bradley over us, the problem is the staff's late push to land someone. If they were recruiting kids early like they should have maybe we land a quality 3. Instead, we make a late push for a kid whose been a Bradley lean all along.
Definitely fair..agree.
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I'll be upset if we lose him but you are blowing him up way too much MCNPA if you think he starts at SF. We start either three guards or Dom. No way this kid who is at the back end of the top 100 cracks a lineup over a senior guard or a senior SF who, by the way, was ranked about 60 something spots ahead of him.
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Baldi isn't wrong on this one. If we don't land Cunningham and Thomas, our recruiting sucks this year. It's the staff's to own. I'm not a fan of Baldi. I've been critical of him. He's not wrong in this instance.
The problem isn't that he chose Bradley over us, the problem is the staff's late push to land someone. If they were recruiting kids early like they should have maybe we land a quality 3. Instead, we make a late push for a kid whose been a Bradley lean all along.
First off the late push was not necessarily the choice of SJU. Remember the vibes they were getting before probably were there was no chance and then things changed. You can't just assume that because he visited late and because there was late news that SJU only decided to push now. There are dozens of other factors. And Indiana pushed on him earlier with at least 3 schollies open and they are in Big Ten country. So what?
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I'm not happy where our front court is at all. Not in the least. We have nobody. Zero offense at the 3-5 spots. Devoid of talent IMHO. Thomas sounds fine, but most teams have st least 4-5 players at the 3 and 4 spots. We have very little. I don't think Cunningham is a savior, but I'm disturbed that we are going to be this thin at the forward spots if we don't land both Cunningham and a Thomas and imo neither is the caliber of talent we had been landing in Lavin's first year or two.
Losing Cunningham would be a huge failure in my eyes and I don't think this is overblowing it at all, I don't want to see us play 3 guards. I don't think we prepared well at all recruiting-wise with this class and are way behind now. Cunningham choosing Bradley would be a black eye for us considering the Hall just landed 3 top 100 kids locally.
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As for immediate help who knows but he is a top 100 player and would have helped in 15-16 when we will be the youngest team in America again. PT? we have only 2 forwards on the roster. It also a good thing to have some one to go up against in practice Ie. Adonis saying he is glad CO is coming back to go against in practice, so you need to be 2 deep at every position. 2 deep is only 10 players and you have 13 scholarships to give. First excuses for on court results now for recruiting. We can't beat the big boys for top talent now we lose to mid majors for marginal top 100 talent. Lost the other kid to Loyola. But it's not Lavin was late to the party. Than what is it? Kids are afraid of earning PT at forward with a non starting senior who can't shoot and a redshirt that hasn't proven anything on the D1 level? Thankfully we still have a shot at the second coming of Dennis Rodman a once in a lifetime rebounder.
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It's embarrassing to read Johnny fans whine about losing a kid to Bradley. Bradley's a good school with strong basketball history.
Seems like a case of too little too late. We should go back to what we're good at - bashing the coach. Although, unless the coach could inform recruits he was losing Sampson it was a difficult pitch.
Leave the insults to Bradley out of it. It makes us sound like Syracuse or UConn fans.
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Is pushing the announcement out to 5:30 tomorrow CST, 6:30 NY time:
Evan F. Moore @evanFmoore · 1h
Per @NICKIRV , @JoshMCunningham is pushing bk his decision to 5:30 tmw. The team will be honored by Gov. Quinn for winning state 2X.
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Once again this forum has gone insane over nothing. Where is this hard evidence that he's going to Bradley? A Jerry Meyer prediction and Zags incorrectly listing which schools were in his top3?
You all really think Marlon Jones opted to go to Loyola Chicago over St. John's? Let the spring period breathe and expire before you kill Lavs.
Just like the transfer hysteria a month ago, things are never nearly half as bad as some people within this forum make it out to be.
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Once again this forum has gone insane over nothing. Where is this hard evidence that he's going to Bradley? A Jerry Meyer prediction and Zags incorrectly listing which schools were in his top3?
You all really think Marlon Jones opted to go to Loyola Chicago over St. John's? Let the spring period breathe and expire before you kill Lavs.
Just like the transfer hysteria a month ago, things are never nearly half as bad as some people within this forum make it out to be.
Agree, it's all conjecture at this point. But we shouldn't be losing recruits to Bradley, especially if our staff is going to be postponing our recruiting until the fertile spring period where we traditionally grab recruits out of thin air. I don't care about Bradley's illustrious history. We've fallen behind talent-wise. If we aren't going to make up ground, we are going backwards. Need to land Cunningham tomorrow.
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Baldi isn't wrong on this one. If we don't land Cunningham and Thomas, our recruiting sucks this year. It's the staff's to own. I'm not a fan of Baldi. I've been critical of him. He's not wrong in this instance.
The problem isn't that he chose Bradley over us, the problem is the staff's late push to land someone. If they were recruiting kids early like they should have maybe we land a quality 3. Instead, we make a late push for a kid whose been a Bradley lean all along.
First off the late push was not necessarily the choice of SJU. Remember the vibes they were getting before probably were there was no chance and then things changed. You can't just assume that because he visited late and because there was late news that SJU only decided to push now. There are dozens of other factors. And Indiana pushed on him earlier with at least 3 schollies open and they are in Big Ten country. So what?
The point is we have needs, even if Sampson stayed. It may be true that there was a change which lead to the staff getting involved but that doesn't change the fact that they didn't appear to be interested in filling our needs all year. So if he didn't appear to change his mind then what? then who? The staff may have the answers to that and we will have to just wait and see but it doesn't appear the staff believed this was an important year and I disagree with that position.
We may lose 6 kids next year. It would be nice to have at least one quality returning player to play with the young 15' class. I felt that the 14' class was just as important as the 15' class.
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Baldi isn't wrong on this one. If we don't land Cunningham and Thomas, our recruiting sucks this year. It's the staff's to own. I'm not a fan of Baldi. I've been critical of him. He's not wrong in this instance.
The problem isn't that he chose Bradley over us, the problem is the staff's late push to land someone. If they were recruiting kids early like they should have maybe we land a quality 3. Instead, we make a late push for a kid whose been a Bradley lean all along.
First off the late push was not necessarily the choice of SJU. Remember the vibes they were getting before probably were there was no chance and then things changed. You can't just assume that because he visited late and because there was late news that SJU only decided to push now. There are dozens of other factors. And Indiana pushed on him earlier with at least 3 schollies open and they are in Big Ten country. So what?
The point is we have needs, even if Sampson stayed. It may be true that there was a change which lead to the staff getting involved but that doesn't change the fact that they didn't appear to be interested in filling our needs all year. So if he didn't appear to change his mind then what? then who? The staff may have the answers to that and we will have to just wait and see but it doesn't appear the staff believed this was an important year and I disagree with that position.
We may lose 6 kids next year. It would be nice to have at least one quality returning player to play with the young 15' class. I felt that the 14' class was just as important as the 15' class.
+100
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Baldi isn't wrong on this one. If we don't land Cunningham and Thomas, our recruiting sucks this year. It's the staff's to own. I'm not a fan of Baldi. I've been critical of him. He's not wrong in this instance.
The problem isn't that he chose Bradley over us, the problem is the staff's late push to land someone. If they were recruiting kids early like they should have maybe we land a quality 3. Instead, we make a late push for a kid whose been a Bradley lean all along.
First off the late push was not necessarily the choice of SJU. Remember the vibes they were getting before probably were there was no chance and then things changed. You can't just assume that because he visited late and because there was late news that SJU only decided to push now. There are dozens of other factors. And Indiana pushed on him earlier with at least 3 schollies open and they are in Big Ten country. So what?
The point is we have needs, even if Sampson stayed. It may be true that there was a change which lead to the staff getting involved but that doesn't change the fact that they didn't appear to be interested in filling our needs all year. So if he didn't appear to change his mind then what? then who? The staff may have the answers to that and we will have to just wait and see but it doesn't appear the staff believed this was an important year and I disagree with that position.
We may lose 6 kids next year. It would be nice to have at least one quality returning player to play with the young 15' class. I felt that the 14' class was just as important as the 15' class.
Those players need to be Felix Balamou and Chris Jones. Lavin to show the fan base that he can teach. This is his system. IDK if Lavin thinks next season is important or not, but it's clear he hasn't been working hard enough enough.
If that's due to health, it would make some sense. In his first season, Lavin it felt like toured every single USA state. Now, he jumps at the 25th hour and hopes for a lottery ticket. Much like Mahoney, landed top talent early on, and then when they regressed under him, it stopped.
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Baldi isn't wrong on this one. If we don't land Cunningham and Thomas, our recruiting sucks this year. It's the staff's to own. I'm not a fan of Baldi. I've been critical of him. He's not wrong in this instance.
The problem isn't that he chose Bradley over us, the problem is the staff's late push to land someone. If they were recruiting kids early like they should have maybe we land a quality 3. Instead, we make a late push for a kid whose been a Bradley lean all along.
First off the late push was not necessarily the choice of SJU. Remember the vibes they were getting before probably were there was no chance and then things changed. You can't just assume that because he visited late and because there was late news that SJU only decided to push now. There are dozens of other factors. And Indiana pushed on him earlier with at least 3 schollies open and they are in Big Ten country. So what?
The point is we have needs, even if Sampson stayed. It may be true that there was a change which lead to the staff getting involved but that doesn't change the fact that they didn't appear to be interested in filling our needs all year. So if he didn't appear to change his mind then what? then who? The staff may have the answers to that and we will have to just wait and see but it doesn't appear the staff believed this was an important year and I disagree with that position.
We may lose 6 kids next year. It would be nice to have at least one quality returning player to play with the young 15' class. I felt that the 14' class was just as important as the 15' class.
Those players need to be Felix Balamou and Chris Jones. Lavin to show the fan base that he can teach. This is his system. IDK if Lavin thinks next season is important or not, but it's clear he hasn't been working hard enough enough.
If that's due to health, it would make some sense. In his first season, Lavin it felt like toured every single USA state. Now, he jumps at the 25th hour and hopes for a lottery ticket. Much like Mahoney, landed top talent early on, and then when they regressed under him, it stopped.
If we are pinning our hopes on Balamou and Jones, we are in trouble. I hope one of them surprises us of course, but they are far off from offering us an answer for the 3 and 4 spots. Not even close, and I don't care how great of a teacher Lavin is.
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Baldi isn't wrong on this one. If we don't land Cunningham and Thomas, our recruiting sucks this year. It's the staff's to own. I'm not a fan of Baldi. I've been critical of him. He's not wrong in this instance.
The problem isn't that he chose Bradley over us, the problem is the staff's late push to land someone. If they were recruiting kids early like they should have maybe we land a quality 3. Instead, we make a late push for a kid whose been a Bradley lean all along.
First off the late push was not necessarily the choice of SJU. Remember the vibes they were getting before probably were there was no chance and then things changed. You can't just assume that because he visited late and because there was late news that SJU only decided to push now. There are dozens of other factors. And Indiana pushed on him earlier with at least 3 schollies open and they are in Big Ten country. So what?
The point is we have needs, even if Sampson stayed. It may be true that there was a change which lead to the staff getting involved but that doesn't change the fact that they didn't appear to be interested in filling our needs all year. So if he didn't appear to change his mind then what? then who? The staff may have the answers to that and we will have to just wait and see but it doesn't appear the staff believed this was an important year and I disagree with that position.
We may lose 6 kids next year. It would be nice to have at least one quality returning player to play with the young 15' class. I felt that the 14' class was just as important as the 15' class.
Those players need to be Felix Balamou and Chris Jones. Lavin to show the fan base that he can teach. This is his system. IDK if Lavin thinks next season is important or not, but it's clear he hasn't been working hard enough enough.
If that's due to health, it would make some sense. In his first season, Lavin it felt like toured every single USA state. Now, he jumps at the 25th hour and hopes for a lottery ticket. Much like Mahoney, landed top talent early on, and then when they regressed under him, it stopped.
If we are pinning our hopes on Balamou and Jones, we are in trouble. I hope one of them surprises us of course, but they are far off from offering us an answer for the 3 and 4 spots. Not even close, and I don't care how great of a teacher Lavin is.
And the difference between a good program, and one like ours, trying to be relevant again. IDK what to expect from Jones or Balamou, but neither have been given a chance to get into a groove.
I'm not saying playing time will raise their games, just that they get an incomplete. Lavin has a responsibility to build the program with solid 4 year guys who mix in with the kids who think think they belong in the league. That way, when they bolt, the program doesn't completely collapse like it did under Jarvis.
Lavin was the guy who hyped up Christopher Jones. He saw something he liked. It's his job to get a kid like that ready for 14-15 season. I don't think it's realistic to expect every project to become a star, but let's start with one player. Just one. In 5 years, that's more than reasonable.
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Bloody Hell. This program is about as good asa 9 foot hooker at a dwarf convention.
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I have to agree with Baldi's on this one. Choosing Bradley over the Big East and a likely starting SF spot at msg is embarrassing. Would be an epic fail imo. Bradley plays in a league with IUPUI and Alabama State. Not good at all if this happens. This is ehst happens when Lavin is late to the table and pushes recruiting back from the summer until March to make a push.
I really wanted this kid, but the MVC isn't nearly as bad as you say. Was better before we poached Creighton, of course, but Wichita is still there and the conference games are usually competitive.
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I have to agree with Baldi's on this one. Choosing Bradley over the Big East and a likely starting SF spot at msg is embarrassing. Would be an epic fail imo. Bradley plays in a league with IUPUI and Alabama State. Not good at all if this happens. This is ehst happens when Lavin is late to the table and pushes recruiting back from the summer until March to make a push.
I really wanted this kid, but the MVC isn't nearly as bad as you say. Was better before we poached Creighton, of course, but Wichita is still there and the conference games are usually competitive.
When we have an empty front court and lose kids to the mvc, we are in trouble. We can offer unlimited playing time at the 3 and 4 spots. Like I said, if Lavin doesn't land this kid and loses to Bradley it's an epic failure. All the other teams in our conference were done recruiting their needs a long time ago. We are scrambling and it's pathetic. I'll wait to see what happens later today. But when we can't land a single top 100 player with several positions to fill and we only have one big who's two years away, I can't help but be less than enthusiastic.
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Man you guys are totally blowing this out of proportion in my opinion. He chose a solid mid-major program where he likely gets to be the face of the program and see multiple ncaa. They have also been on him a long time and it's close to home. He is borderline top 100 not some top 25 kid that chose Bradley over duke.
I would have loved to land him, but this isn't the end of the world. I do agree that Lavin screwed the pooch on this years recruiting and we need depth but please climb off the ledge over Cunningham.
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Baldi isn't wrong on this one. If we don't land Cunningham and Thomas, our recruiting sucks this year. It's the staff's to own. I'm not a fan of Baldi. I've been critical of him. He's not wrong in this instance.
The problem isn't that he chose Bradley over us, the problem is the staff's late push to land someone. If they were recruiting kids early like they should have maybe we land a quality 3. Instead, we make a late push for a kid whose been a Bradley lean all along.
First off the late push was not necessarily the choice of SJU. Remember the vibes they were getting before probably were there was no chance and then things changed. You can't just assume that because he visited late and because there was late news that SJU only decided to push now. There are dozens of other factors. And Indiana pushed on him earlier with at least 3 schollies open and they are in Big Ten country. So what?
We were not involved with this kid at all until VERY late.
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Baldi isn't wrong on this one. If we don't land Cunningham and Thomas, our recruiting sucks this year. It's the staff's to own. I'm not a fan of Baldi. I've been critical of him. He's not wrong in this instance.
The problem isn't that he chose Bradley over us, the problem is the staff's late push to land someone. If they were recruiting kids early like they should have maybe we land a quality 3. Instead, we make a late push for a kid whose been a Bradley lean all along.
First off the late push was not necessarily the choice of SJU. Remember the vibes they were getting before probably were there was no chance and then things changed. You can't just assume that because he visited late and because there was late news that SJU only decided to push now. There are dozens of other factors. And Indiana pushed on him earlier with at least 3 schollies open and they are in Big Ten country. So what?
We were not involved with this kid at all until VERY late.
First off I don’t know who you mean by WE because you were not involved at all.
But if you are referring to the SJU staff with the term “WE” you are 100% false.
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Man you guys are totally blowing this out of proportion in my opinion. He chose a solid mid-major program where he likely gets to be the face of the program and see multiple ncaa. They have also been on him a long time and it's close to home. He is borderline top 100 not some top 25 kid that chose Bradley over duke.
I would have loved to land him, but this isn't the end of the world. I do agree that Lavin screwed the pooch on this years recruiting and we need depth but please climb off the ledge over Cunningham.
Gman, what's not blown out of proportion is that we have no frontcourt. No capable forwards on the roster. It's a huge problem. Cunningham is no savior, but we have nothing. I'm still baffled by the incompetence of our staff has shown to address gaping holes in our front court. Losing a kid to Bradley when we have unlimited PT to offer is a stick in the eye and pretty Normesque. This is not just about Cunningham. It's about us scrambling for bodies which is an absurdity for a Big East team.
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Baldi isn't wrong on this one. If we don't land Cunningham and Thomas, our recruiting sucks this year. It's the staff's to own. I'm not a fan of Baldi. I've been critical of him. He's not wrong in this instance.
The problem isn't that he chose Bradley over us, the problem is the staff's late push to land someone. If they were recruiting kids early like they should have maybe we land a quality 3. Instead, we make a late push for a kid whose been a Bradley lean all along.
First off the late push was not necessarily the choice of SJU. Remember the vibes they were getting before probably were there was no chance and then things changed. You can't just assume that because he visited late and because there was late news that SJU only decided to push now. There are dozens of other factors. And Indiana pushed on him earlier with at least 3 schollies open and they are in Big Ten country. So what?
We were not involved with this kid at all until VERY late.
First off I don’t know who you mean by WE because you were not involved at all.
But if you are referring to the SJU staff with the term “WE” you are 100% false.
You are correct - St. John's was the program recruiting this player.
And I am 100% correct about they got involved late.
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Baldi isn't wrong on this one. If we don't land Cunningham and Thomas, our recruiting sucks this year. It's the staff's to own. I'm not a fan of Baldi. I've been critical of him. He's not wrong in this instance.
The problem isn't that he chose Bradley over us, the problem is the staff's late push to land someone. If they were recruiting kids early like they should have maybe we land a quality 3. Instead, we make a late push for a kid whose been a Bradley lean all along.
First off the late push was not necessarily the choice of SJU. Remember the vibes they were getting before probably were there was no chance and then things changed. You can't just assume that because he visited late and because there was late news that SJU only decided to push now. There are dozens of other factors. And Indiana pushed on him earlier with at least 3 schollies open and they are in Big Ten country. So what?
We were not involved with this kid at all until VERY late.
First off I don’t know who you mean by WE because you were not involved at all.
But if you are referring to the SJU staff with the term “WE” you are 100% false.
The first post in this thread, from May 5, 2013, mentions that we offered. I assume that there was contact even before that.
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He effectively cut us from his list two months ago, then added us back in a couple weeks back. If the staff knew mid-season that Jakarr was strongly considering declaring for the draft, they should have given this kid way more attention months ago. Just like Abu, Chukwu, Terrell and Whitehead, we got seriously involved too late. It is a very troublesome trend. We will need at least 5 2015 commitments, including several immediate impact guys. Not easy for a staff that hasn't really hustled on the trail for 2 years
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Baldi isn't wrong on this one. If we don't land Cunningham and Thomas, our recruiting sucks this year. It's the staff's to own. I'm not a fan of Baldi. I've been critical of him. He's not wrong in this instance.
The problem isn't that he chose Bradley over us, the problem is the staff's late push to land someone. If they were recruiting kids early like they should have maybe we land a quality 3. Instead, we make a late push for a kid whose been a Bradley lean all along.
First off the late push was not necessarily the choice of SJU. Remember the vibes they were getting before probably were there was no chance and then things changed. You can't just assume that because he visited late and because there was late news that SJU only decided to push now. There are dozens of other factors. And Indiana pushed on him earlier with at least 3 schollies open and they are in Big Ten country. So what?
We were not involved with this kid at all until VERY late.
First off I don’t know who you mean by WE because you were not involved at all.
But if you are referring to the SJU staff with the term “WE” you are 100% false.
The first post in this thread, from May 5, 2013, mentions that we offered. I assume that there was contact even before that.
any player can claim they have an offer from any school and since the schools are not permitted to say anything, we can never know what is really going on
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Let's be honest here. Cunningham isn't a one and done player who'd put us over the top. His loss can be made up if Lavin and crew bring us that kind of player next year.
Thomas is more of a "must" get. With the solid backcourt we have already and with Obekpa and Jones and Thomas, we should be okay enough to at least make the dance. With no Thomas, we'll probably have an instant replay of this past season except we won't be disappointed because...unlike last year... we'll know in advance that the team will suck.
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Man you guys are totally blowing this out of proportion in my opinion. He chose a solid mid-major program where he likely gets to be the face of the program and see multiple ncaa. They have also been on him a long time and it's close to home. He is borderline top 100 not some top 25 kid that chose Bradley over duke.
I would have loved to land him, but this isn't the end of the world. I do agree that Lavin screwed the pooch on this years recruiting and we need depth but please climb off the ledge over Cunningham.
Gman, what's not blown out of proportion is that we have no frontcourt. No capable forwards on the roster. It's a huge problem. Cunningham is no savior, but we have nothing. I'm still baffled by the incompetence of our staff has shown to address gaping holes in our front court. Losing a kid to Bradley when we have unlimited PT to offer is a stick in the eye and pretty Normesque. This is not just about Cunningham. It's about us scrambling for bodies which is an absurdity for a Big East team.
I agree with the first half of your statement but disagree with the second half, but that's ok we have different opinions.
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Baldi isn't wrong on this one. If we don't land Cunningham and Thomas, our recruiting sucks this year. It's the staff's to own. I'm not a fan of Baldi. I've been critical of him. He's not wrong in this instance.
The problem isn't that he chose Bradley over us, the problem is the staff's late push to land someone. If they were recruiting kids early like they should have maybe we land a quality 3. Instead, we make a late push for a kid whose been a Bradley lean all along.
First off the late push was not necessarily the choice of SJU. Remember the vibes they were getting before probably were there was no chance and then things changed. You can't just assume that because he visited late and because there was late news that SJU only decided to push now. There are dozens of other factors. And Indiana pushed on him earlier with at least 3 schollies open and they are in Big Ten country. So what?
We were not involved with this kid at all until VERY late.
First off I don’t know who you mean by WE because you were not involved at all.
But if you are referring to the SJU staff with the term “WE” you are 100% false.
The first post in this thread, from May 5, 2013, mentions that we offered. I assume that there was contact even before that.
any player can claim they have an offer from any school and since the schools are not permitted to say anything, we can never know what is really going on
True (I guess), but why would this kid choose us to falsely claim an offer unless we were at least seriously pursuing him. If he said UK offered when they had not, I might understand.
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Man you guys are totally blowing this out of proportion in my opinion. He chose a solid mid-major program where he likely gets to be the face of the program and see multiple ncaa. They have also been on him a long time and it's close to home. He is borderline top 100 not some top 25 kid that chose Bradley over duke.
I would have loved to land him, but this isn't the end of the world. I do agree that Lavin screwed the pooch on this years recruiting and we need depth but please climb off the ledge over Cunningham.
Gman, what's not blown out of proportion is that we have no frontcourt. No capable forwards on the roster. It's a huge problem. Cunningham is no savior, but we have nothing. I'm still baffled by the incompetence of our staff has shown to address gaping holes in our front court. Losing a kid to Bradley when we have unlimited PT to offer is a stick in the eye and pretty Normesque. This is not just about Cunningham. It's about us scrambling for bodies which is an absurdity for a Big East team.
So it's an epic failure if this kid goes to Bradley who has been on him for how long and his mother went there plus being local and most likely the face of the program? Maybe the kid looks at those options and much rather go that route because they are important to him. To say Lavin failed because he couldn't get this kid is a complete joke.
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This incident alone isn't a failure. The loss of Cunnungham , makes signing Thompson mandatory. Another thing Cunningham would have offered is our SF position would have been solidified for the future.. Next year Lavin is going to have many key positions to fill . Bradley doesn't make sense to me , but maybe he wants to stay local and be a big fish in a small pond.
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As I hinted at yesterday, not getting this kid might be a blessing in disguise (yes I realize that I am "that guy" making the "dodged a bullet" post, and that the staff clearly wanted him). Also, his high school is heavily recruited by Bradley and he has a relative who goes to school there.
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Kool Aid epidemic here
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If we lost him to Iona I would worry. But since it's a much better institution like Bradley, I can deal with it.
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who is attacking Baldi?
MCNPA- what makes you think Cunningham, as a frosh, would be able to start at SF , over Sr. Dom Pointer? I know Pointer isn't great, but he going to be a 4th year BE player and someone coach has loved for whatever reason.
Anyhow, I would be shocked if we aren't 3 guard lineup with Obekpa, Jones/Thomas (hopefully)
1) because pointer can't rebound nor put the ball in the hoop.
2) i do not want to see us using a 3-guard lineup.
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If we lost him to Iona I would worry. But since it's a much better institution like Bradley, I can deal with it.
Still talking about Iona?
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You want to know how much his commitment means to Bradley. Just start reading the twitter pages and hashtag BradleyBasketball:
https://twitter.com/hashtag/bradleybasketball
Dave Reynolds @DaveReynolds2 · 1m
Morgan Park all-stater Josh Cunningham officially announces his commitment to Bradley!
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As I hinted at yesterday, not getting this kid might be a blessing in disguise (yes I realize that I am "that guy" making the "dodged a bullet" post, and that the staff clearly wanted him). Also, his high school is heavily recruited by Bradley and he has a relative who goes to school there.
Why would not getting him be a blessing in disguise?
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Good luck to him. Classy move.
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:(Good luck to him. Lavin needs to go back to the drawing board. We're stacked up front anyway. Our front court is good for at least 8 points per game.
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"Bradley assistant coach Ronald Coleman was a major factor in Cunningham picking Bradley. Coleman used to coach Cunningham in the Mac Irvin Fire AAU program."
http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1398199.html (http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1398199.html)
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"Bradley assistant coach Ronald Coleman was a major factor in Cunningham picking Bradley. Coleman used to coach Cunningham in the Mac Irvin Fire AAU program."
http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1398199.html (http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1398199.html)
On that note:
http://www.highschoolcubenews.com/news_article/show/380818?referrer_id=596370 (http://www.highschoolcubenews.com/news_article/show/380818?referrer_id=596370)
Last fall, Oklahoma, Creighton, Minnesota, Iowa State and Bradley were firmly entrenched in Cunningham's recruitment. The highly-athletic 6-7 forward took four official visits last year, including one to Bradley, prior to the early signing period but decided to play out his senior year.
After leading Morgan Park to a second straight state championship in March, Cunningham's recruitment continued to pick up steam. Indiana, South Carolina and St. John's all entered the picture as the season and spring wore on.
"I went back and forth on the decision, especially after taking each visit," Cunningham said. "But after each visit and being undecided, it was always Bradley that I came back to at the end."
It was Bradley, with assistant coach and Chicago native Ronald Coleman, who has strong ties to Cunningham's Mac Irvin Fire program, that remained a constant presence through it all. Coleman helped Bradley secure arguably its biggest recruit since Mitchell Anderson three decades ago as Cunningham shunned the bigger named programs in the end.
"I have a great relationship with the coaching staff and the players there," Cunningham added. "I want to play to the best of my abilities, help Bradley get to the next level and get them back to the NCAA Tournament."
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"Bradley assistant coach Ronald Coleman was a major factor in Cunningham picking Bradley. Coleman used to coach Cunningham in the Mac Irvin Fire AAU program."
http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1398199.html (http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1398199.html)
On that note:
http://www.highschoolcubenews.com/news_article/show/380818?referrer_id=596370 (http://www.highschoolcubenews.com/news_article/show/380818?referrer_id=596370)
Last fall, Oklahoma, Creighton, Minnesota, Iowa State and Bradley were firmly entrenched in Cunningham's recruitment. The highly-athletic 6-7 forward took four official visits last year, including one to Bradley, prior to the early signing period but decided to play out his senior year.
After leading Morgan Park to a second straight state championship in March, Cunningham's recruitment continued to pick up steam. Indiana, South Carolina and St. John's all entered the picture as the season and spring wore on.
"I went back and forth on the decision, especially after taking each visit," Cunningham said. "But after each visit and being undecided, it was always Bradley that I came back to at the end."
It was Bradley, with assistant coach and Chicago native Ronald Coleman, who has strong ties to Cunningham's Mac Irvin Fire program, that remained a constant presence through it all. Coleman helped Bradley secure arguably its biggest recruit since Mitchell Anderson three decades ago as Cunningham shunned the bigger named programs in the end.
"I have a great relationship with the coaching staff and the players there," Cunningham added. "I want to play to the best of my abilities, help Bradley get to the next level and get them back to the NCAA Tournament."
Wonderful for the kid, but a waste of time and dead end road for us. This is about us, not the feel-good story of Cunningham and Bradley University. This is about us continuously failing to recruit and land front court talent. I'm not sure what people care about here. Kudos to Bradley, kudos to Cunningham. We have no real small forwards on the roster, And relying on a minimally productive Christian Jones to carry the Pf spot.
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"Bradley assistant coach Ronald Coleman was a major factor in Cunningham picking Bradley. Coleman used to coach Cunningham in the Mac Irvin Fire AAU program."
http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1398199.html (http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1398199.html)
On that note:
http://www.highschoolcubenews.com/news_article/show/380818?referrer_id=596370 (http://www.highschoolcubenews.com/news_article/show/380818?referrer_id=596370)
Last fall, Oklahoma, Creighton, Minnesota, Iowa State and Bradley were firmly entrenched in Cunningham's recruitment. The highly-athletic 6-7 forward took four official visits last year, including one to Bradley, prior to the early signing period but decided to play out his senior year.
After leading Morgan Park to a second straight state championship in March, Cunningham's recruitment continued to pick up steam. Indiana, South Carolina and St. John's all entered the picture as the season and spring wore on.
"I went back and forth on the decision, especially after taking each visit," Cunningham said. "But after each visit and being undecided, it was always Bradley that I came back to at the end."
It was Bradley, with assistant coach and Chicago native Ronald Coleman, who has strong ties to Cunningham's Mac Irvin Fire program, that remained a constant presence through it all. Coleman helped Bradley secure arguably its biggest recruit since Mitchell Anderson three decades ago as Cunningham shunned the bigger named programs in the end.
"I have a great relationship with the coaching staff and the players there," Cunningham added. "I want to play to the best of my abilities, help Bradley get to the next level and get them back to the NCAA Tournament."
Wonderful for the kid, but a waste of time and dead end road for us. This is about us, not the feel-good story of Cunningham and Bradley University. This is about us continuously failing to recruit and land front court talent. I'm not sure what people care about here. Kudos to Bradley, kudos to Cunningham. We have no real small forwards on the roster, And relying on a minimally productive Christian Jones to carry the Pf spot.
I don't understand your point.
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"Bradley assistant coach Ronald Coleman was a major factor in Cunningham picking Bradley. Coleman used to coach Cunningham in the Mac Irvin Fire AAU program."
http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1398199.html (http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1398199.html)
On that note:
http://www.highschoolcubenews.com/news_article/show/380818?referrer_id=596370 (http://www.highschoolcubenews.com/news_article/show/380818?referrer_id=596370)
Last fall, Oklahoma, Creighton, Minnesota, Iowa State and Bradley were firmly entrenched in Cunningham's recruitment. The highly-athletic 6-7 forward took four official visits last year, including one to Bradley, prior to the early signing period but decided to play out his senior year.
After leading Morgan Park to a second straight state championship in March, Cunningham's recruitment continued to pick up steam. Indiana, South Carolina and St. John's all entered the picture as the season and spring wore on.
"I went back and forth on the decision, especially after taking each visit," Cunningham said. "But after each visit and being undecided, it was always Bradley that I came back to at the end."
It was Bradley, with assistant coach and Chicago native Ronald Coleman, who has strong ties to Cunningham's Mac Irvin Fire program, that remained a constant presence through it all. Coleman helped Bradley secure arguably its biggest recruit since Mitchell Anderson three decades ago as Cunningham shunned the bigger named programs in the end.
"I have a great relationship with the coaching staff and the players there," Cunningham added. "I want to play to the best of my abilities, help Bradley get to the next level and get them back to the NCAA Tournament."
Wonderful for the kid, but a waste of time and dead end road for us. This is about us, not the feel-good story of Cunningham and Bradley University. This is about us continuously failing to recruit and land front court talent. I'm not sure what people care about here. Kudos to Bradley, kudos to Cunningham. We have no real small forwards on the roster, And relying on a minimally productive Christian Jones to carry the Pf spot.
I don't understand your point.
Basically he doesn't care about the feel good story, the world is ending. Just get his mind thinking about a recruit so he can talk about how great they are and so on.
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"Bradley assistant coach Ronald Coleman was a major factor in Cunningham picking Bradley. Coleman used to coach Cunningham in the Mac Irvin Fire AAU program."
http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1398199.html (http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1398199.html)
On that note:
http://www.highschoolcubenews.com/news_article/show/380818?referrer_id=596370 (http://www.highschoolcubenews.com/news_article/show/380818?referrer_id=596370)
Last fall, Oklahoma, Creighton, Minnesota, Iowa State and Bradley were firmly entrenched in Cunningham's recruitment. The highly-athletic 6-7 forward took four official visits last year, including one to Bradley, prior to the early signing period but decided to play out his senior year.
After leading Morgan Park to a second straight state championship in March, Cunningham's recruitment continued to pick up steam. Indiana, South Carolina and St. John's all entered the picture as the season and spring wore on.
"I went back and forth on the decision, especially after taking each visit," Cunningham said. "But after each visit and being undecided, it was always Bradley that I came back to at the end."
It was Bradley, with assistant coach and Chicago native Ronald Coleman, who has strong ties to Cunningham's Mac Irvin Fire program, that remained a constant presence through it all. Coleman helped Bradley secure arguably its biggest recruit since Mitchell Anderson three decades ago as Cunningham shunned the bigger named programs in the end.
"I have a great relationship with the coaching staff and the players there," Cunningham added. "I want to play to the best of my abilities, help Bradley get to the next level and get them back to the NCAA Tournament."
Wonderful for the kid, but a waste of time and dead end road for us. This is about us, not the feel-good story of Cunningham and Bradley University. This is about us continuously failing to recruit and land front court talent. I'm not sure what people care about here. Kudos to Bradley, kudos to Cunningham. We have no real small forwards on the roster, And relying on a minimally productive Christian Jones to carry the Pf spot.
I don't understand your point.
Basically he doesn't care about the feel good story, the world is ending. Just get his mind thinking about a recruit so he can talk about how great they are and so on.
No, Fordham is trying to smokescreen the issue here with a feel-good story. The world isn't ending. For SJU basketball, it had ended a long time ago. I'm curious to know how people think we will even be competitive with no front court next year?
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Obekpa is returning, no? Thomas hopefully comes... there is a center and PF.. Adonis the Giant is coming .
Pointer is a SF who will be a senior.... Felix is a Small forward ( he's not a guard)... Christian Jones is a PF i believe..
I just named 6 forwards... . This notion we have no front court isn't true. Is it ideal? no..
And whether you like it or not, we will have a 3 guard starting lineup.
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Obekpa is returning, no? Thomas hopefully comes... there is a center and PF.. Adonis the Giant is coming .
Pointer is a SF who will be a senior.... Felix is a Small forward ( he's not a guard)... Christian Jones is a PF i believe..
I just named 6 forwards... . This notion we have no front court isn't true. Is it ideal? no..
And whether you like it or not, we will have a 3 guard starting lineup.
. Our 3 guards weren't good enough last year to carry us, even with a guy like Jakarr. Obekpa is returning but isn't an offensive threat. Delarosa is 2 years away from contributing, felix is in NO way a small forward. He's 6'3". He's a SG who isn't a shooter. That means at the 3 and 4 spots, we are relying on a last-minute signee that hasn't contributed in Jones, and a last-minute juco signee from this year in Thomas to carry our frontcourt?
Add to that we lost our only two "shooters" in Hooper and Bourgault. I think we are in a lot bigger trouble than people think and to this point I've been an optimistic guy. Lavin crapped the bed putting together a front-court and replacing talent from 4 years ago. His 5-year plan has become a 10-year plan, hinging it all on the 15' class which seemingly is what he wants. Another 4 years to build up to one hopefully good year?
We don't have 6 forwards, we only have Pointer and Jones, despite the guys you named, at the 3/4 spots.
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I misspoke.. I should have said 6 front court players instead of forwards.. You said we had none. PLus, with three guard lineup, you don;t need a proto-typical SF. A rotation of Obekpa, Jones, DelaRosa, Keith Thomas( fingers crossed) isn't a total disaster you are making it out to be.. Thomas is an elite JC rebounder from all accounts..
Imo, a shooting guard that can't shoot is the same as a small forward, but whatever..
Our three guards will be much better next season, clearly you know that ( I hope).
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"Bradley assistant coach Ronald Coleman was a major factor in Cunningham picking Bradley. Coleman used to coach Cunningham in the Mac Irvin Fire AAU program."
http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1398199.html (http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1398199.html)
On that note:
http://www.highschoolcubenews.com/news_article/show/380818?referrer_id=596370 (http://www.highschoolcubenews.com/news_article/show/380818?referrer_id=596370)
Last fall, Oklahoma, Creighton, Minnesota, Iowa State and Bradley were firmly entrenched in Cunningham's recruitment. The highly-athletic 6-7 forward took four official visits last year, including one to Bradley, prior to the early signing period but decided to play out his senior year.
After leading Morgan Park to a second straight state championship in March, Cunningham's recruitment continued to pick up steam. Indiana, South Carolina and St. John's all entered the picture as the season and spring wore on.
"I went back and forth on the decision, especially after taking each visit," Cunningham said. "But after each visit and being undecided, it was always Bradley that I came back to at the end."
It was Bradley, with assistant coach and Chicago native Ronald Coleman, who has strong ties to Cunningham's Mac Irvin Fire program, that remained a constant presence through it all. Coleman helped Bradley secure arguably its biggest recruit since Mitchell Anderson three decades ago as Cunningham shunned the bigger named programs in the end.
"I have a great relationship with the coaching staff and the players there," Cunningham added. "I want to play to the best of my abilities, help Bradley get to the next level and get them back to the NCAA Tournament."
Wonderful for the kid, but a waste of time and dead end road for us. This is about us, not the feel-good story of Cunningham and Bradley University. This is about us continuously failing to recruit and land front court talent. I'm not sure what people care about here. Kudos to Bradley, kudos to Cunningham. We have no real small forwards on the roster, And relying on a minimally productive Christian Jones to carry the Pf spot.
I don't understand your point.
Basically he doesn't care about the feel good story, the world is ending. Just get his mind thinking about a recruit so he can talk about how great they are and so on.
No, Fordham is trying to smokescreen the issue here with a feel-good story. The world isn't ending. For SJU basketball, it had ended a long time ago. I'm curious to know how people think we will even be competitive with no front court next year?
In April 2013 would you have predicted an NCAA crown for UConn with their front court?
You're thinking too hard about this. Enjoy the lacrosse play-offs and the summer.
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Obekpa is returning, no? Thomas hopefully comes... there is a center and PF.. Adonis the Giant is coming .
Pointer is a SF who will be a senior.... Felix is a Small forward ( he's not a guard)... Christian Jones is a PF i believe..
I just named 6 forwards... . This notion we have no front court isn't true. Is it ideal? no..
And whether you like it or not, we will have a 3 guard starting lineup.
Obekpa was the key and far more important than Sampson. We have two 6'11 guys to back Obekpa up at the five....we're bigger than we've been in years. I don't expect too much from Jones, but he's a sturdy body that won't get pushed around. Dom and Felix can both play the four in a 2-3 zone or in man against smaller PFs. It's not like PFs are 6'10 anymore.
If the bigs just get out of the way of the guards, that alone will make us better than last year. This also leaves out Keith "I'm going to outwork you" Thomas and his 9 boards a game.
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Obekpa is returning, no? Thomas hopefully comes... there is a center and PF.. Adonis the Giant is coming .
Pointer is a SF who will be a senior.... Felix is a Small forward ( he's not a guard)... Christian Jones is a PF i believe..
I just named 6 forwards... . This notion we have no front court isn't true. Is it ideal? no..
And whether you like it or not, we will have a 3 guard starting lineup.
Obekpa was the key and far more important than Sampson. We have two 6'11 guys to back Obekpa up at the five....we're bigger than we've been in years. I don't expect too much from Jones, but he's a sturdy body that won't get pushed around. Dom and Felix can both play the four in a 2-3 zone or in man against smaller PFs. It's not like PFs are 6'10 anymore.
If the bigs just get out of the way of the guards, that alone will make us better than last year. This also leaves out Keith "I'm going to outwork you" Thomas and his 9 boards a game.
Are you joking? Obekpa more important than Sampson? That's an absurdity. Obekpa never came near mirroring nor even came close to being able to make up for The loss of Sampson. Felix can play the 4? Are you on drugs? Mr. " I'm going to outwork you" is still uncommitted. If he commits, he will need 15 boards a game to outwork his opponents who are not juco players but rather Big East players like the entire Xavier team that destroyed us on the boards twice.
Fans here better hope that Thomas is far better than Jakarr and that felix at 6'3" can out producer 6'9 Sanchez and Gift because as of now, those are their replacements... It's friggin sad...
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"Bradley assistant coach Ronald Coleman was a major factor in Cunningham picking Bradley. Coleman used to coach Cunningham in the Mac Irvin Fire AAU program."
http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1398199.html (http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1398199.html)
On that note:
http://www.highschoolcubenews.com/news_article/show/380818?referrer_id=596370 (http://www.highschoolcubenews.com/news_article/show/380818?referrer_id=596370)
Last fall, Oklahoma, Creighton, Minnesota, Iowa State and Bradley were firmly entrenched in Cunningham's recruitment. The highly-athletic 6-7 forward took four official visits last year, including one to Bradley, prior to the early signing period but decided to play out his senior year.
After leading Morgan Park to a second straight state championship in March, Cunningham's recruitment continued to pick up steam. Indiana, South Carolina and St. John's all entered the picture as the season and spring wore on.
"I went back and forth on the decision, especially after taking each visit," Cunningham said. "But after each visit and being undecided, it was always Bradley that I came back to at the end."
It was Bradley, with assistant coach and Chicago native Ronald Coleman, who has strong ties to Cunningham's Mac Irvin Fire program, that remained a constant presence through it all. Coleman helped Bradley secure arguably its biggest recruit since Mitchell Anderson three decades ago as Cunningham shunned the bigger named programs in the end.
"I have a great relationship with the coaching staff and the players there," Cunningham added. "I want to play to the best of my abilities, help Bradley get to the next level and get them back to the NCAA Tournament."
Wonderful for the kid, but a waste of time and dead end road for us. This is about us, not the feel-good story of Cunningham and Bradley University. This is about us continuously failing to recruit and land front court talent. I'm not sure what people care about here. Kudos to Bradley, kudos to Cunningham. We have no real small forwards on the roster, And relying on a minimally productive Christian Jones to carry the Pf spot.
I don't understand your point.
Basically he doesn't care about the feel good story, the world is ending. Just get his mind thinking about a recruit so he can talk about how great they are and so on.
No, Fordham is trying to smokescreen the issue here with a feel-good story. The world isn't ending. For SJU basketball, it had ended a long time ago. I'm curious to know how people think we will even be competitive with no front court next year?
In April 2013 would you have predicted an NCAA crown for UConn with their front court?
You're thinking too hard about this. Enjoy the lacrosse play-offs and the summer.
Lacrosse playoffs? SJU failed to qualify for their own Big East Tournament for two years in a row. That's with maybe the best attack unit in the country. SJU lacrosse isn't in much better shape than SJU basketball right now. SJU is out of it all and because the coaching decisions have been as bad as the basketball team...
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Obekpa is returning, no? Thomas hopefully comes... there is a center and PF.. Adonis the Giant is coming .
Pointer is a SF who will be a senior.... Felix is a Small forward ( he's not a guard)... Christian Jones is a PF i believe..
I just named 6 forwards... . This notion we have no front court isn't true. Is it ideal? no..
And whether you like it or not, we will have a 3 guard starting lineup.
Obekpa was the key and far more important than Sampson. We have two 6'11 guys to back Obekpa up at the five....we're bigger than we've been in years. I don't expect too much from Jones, but he's a sturdy body that won't get pushed around. Dom and Felix can both play the four in a 2-3 zone or in man against smaller PFs. It's not like PFs are 6'10 anymore.
If the bigs just get out of the way of the guards, that alone will make us better than last year. This also leaves out Keith "I'm going to outwork you" Thomas and his 9 boards a game.
Are you joking? Obekpa more important than Sampson? That's an absurdity. Obekpa never came near mirroring nor even came close to being able to make up for The loss of Sampson. Felix can play the 4? Are you on drugs? Mr. " I'm going to outwork you" is still uncommitted. If he commits, he will need 15 boards a game to outwork his opponents who are not juco players but rather Big East players like the entire Xavier team that destroyed us on the boards twice.
Fans here better hope that Thomas is far better than Jakarr and that felix at 6'3" can out producer 6'9 Sanchez and Gift because as of now, those are their replacements... It's friggin sad...
Why are you acting like Sampson was a stud? Did he make single good decision at the end of close games? Did he hit a single front end of a one-and-one in the second half? Did he give us any defense down low? Sampson-Sanchez-Pointer destroyed any chemistry that team could have had.
Sampson COULD have been a monster next season, but last season he couldn't cover an ant with a king-size comforter.
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Obekpa is returning, no? Thomas hopefully comes... there is a center and PF.. Adonis the Giant is coming .
Pointer is a SF who will be a senior.... Felix is a Small forward ( he's not a guard)... Christian Jones is a PF i believe..
I just named 6 forwards... . This notion we have no front court isn't true. Is it ideal? no..
And whether you like it or not, we will have a 3 guard starting lineup.
Obekpa was the key and far more important than Sampson. We have two 6'11 guys to back Obekpa up at the five....we're bigger than we've been in years. I don't expect too much from Jones, but he's a sturdy body that won't get pushed around. Dom and Felix can both play the four in a 2-3 zone or in man against smaller PFs. It's not like PFs are 6'10 anymore.
If the bigs just get out of the way of the guards, that alone will make us better than last year. This also leaves out Keith "I'm going to outwork you" Thomas and his 9 boards a game.
Are you joking? Obekpa more important than Sampson? That's an absurdity. Obekpa never came near mirroring nor even came close to being able to make up for The loss of Sampson. Felix can play the 4? Are you on drugs? Mr. " I'm going to outwork you" is still uncommitted. If he commits, he will need 15 boards a game to outwork his opponents who are not juco players but rather Big East players like the entire Xavier team that destroyed us on the boards twice.
Fans here better hope that Thomas is far better than Jakarr and that felix at 6'3" can out producer 6'9 Sanchez and Gift because as of now, those are their replacements... It's friggin sad...
Why are you acting like Sampson was a stud? Did he make single good decision at the end of close games? Did he hit a single front end of a one-and-one in the second half? Did he give us any defense down low? Sampson-Sanchez-Pointer destroyed any chemistry that team could have had.
Sampson COULD have been a monster next season, but last season he couldn't cover an ant with a king-size comforter.
Who's going to make the good decisions at the end of close games? Hit the end of one and one? The defense down low? You realize we haven't replaced Sampson, Sanchez nor Gift yet right? Nor Hooper and Bourgault.. Thomas going to make up for all of this? Cmon?
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MCN, remember when you said christian Jones could be a similar player to Alex Poythress? Now you talk about him like hes a DIII walkon. All hes done is had 18 months to improve his game.
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For me it is worse not offer yet to Jessie Govan (a Top 60 local player) than losing the recruitment of a player (Josh Cunningham) against the local team.
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MCN, remember when you said christian Jones could be a similar player to Alex Poythress? Now you talk about him like hes a DIII walkon. All hes done is had 18 months to improve his game.
No, I said athleticism/body type. Don't misconstrue.
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Why are you acting like Sampson was a stud?
Why are you acting like he sucked? HE was BE ROY as a freshman and as a sophomore averaged 13 points and 6 rebounds a game while shooting 50 percent from the floor. He was a highly productive player with some flaws in his game.
Did he make single good decision at the end of close games? Did he hit a single front end of a one-and-one in the second half? Did he give us any defense down low?
In the first place, those questions are kind of dumb, because those are not the attributes that define a "stud." Wilt Chamberlain was a crappy FT shooter, and he was about the studliest BB ever. So there's that. And in the second place, the answers are probably, probably, and yes (he shut down the POTY). So even by your own dopey criteria Sampson was about half a stud.
Sampson-Sanchez-Pointer destroyed any chemistry that team could have had.
If that is true - and it isn't: Lavin destroyed any chemistry the team could have had by changing the starting line up every game and shuffling the players in and out at random for two thirds of the season - could you please explain why Coach Tesla played those three chemistry destroying players for a combined 75 minutes per game? Usually coaches play the players they think give them the best chance of winning. Why did Lavin give significant minutes to players who you are describing as cancerous losers.
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Another player off the Board. I assume most of the reasonable junior college players are gone at this point. Where do we go from here? Are there any graduates available? Do we take a transfer, even though they would not play during 2014-15? Do we take a remaining guard, even though the remaining guards are not likely to be 'studs' and we are loaded at that position next year? Is it best to hold the scholarships 'for the next class and have the current team work on their conditioning?
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Why are you acting like Sampson was a stud?
Why are you acting like he sucked? HE was BE ROY as a freshman and as a sophomore averaged 13 points and 6 rebounds a game while shooting 50 percent from the floor. He was a highly productive player with some flaws in his game.
Did he make single good decision at the end of close games? Did he hit a single front end of a one-and-one in the second half? Did he give us any defense down low?
In the first place, those questions are kind of dumb, because those are not the attributes that define a "stud." Wilt Chamberlain was a crappy FT shooter, and he was about the studliest BB ever. So there's that. And in the second place, the answers are probably, probably, and yes (he shut down the POTY). So even by your own dopey criteria Sampson was about half a stud.
Sampson-Sanchez-Pointer destroyed any chemistry that team could have had.
If that is true - and it isn't: Lavin destroyed any chemistry the team could have had by changing the starting line up every game and shuffling the players in and out at random for two thirds of the season - could you please explain why Coach Tesla played those three chemistry destroying players for a combined 75 minutes per game? Usually coaches play the players they think give them the best chance of winning. Why did Lavin give significant minutes to players who you are describing as cancerous losers.
Thank you.
Marillac you've gone off the deep-end with your criticism of Sampson. Jakarr was a very good player for us, albeit one with holes in his game.
You started off with a valid premise, that Sampson could be a blackhole on offense sometimes, killing the ball-movement, and that his rebounding and defensive effort was inconsistent. These things are true. But you've framed your comments so narrowly as to only include his flaws and ignore the 2 years of good play he gave us.
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MCN, remember when you said christian Jones could be a similar player to Alex Poythress? Now you talk about him like hes a DIII walkon. All hes done is had 18 months to improve his game.
No, I said athleticism/body type. Don't misconstrue.
Sorry, that's my mistake..
"Scary things that he's only going to get better. He really says like an upperclassmen and series I think he's one watching him play, but it's just his poise. When he works on his handle a little bit as well as his post moves, he'll really be fantastic. Kudos to the staff on landing this kid. Really an unknown gem and it's rare to find those in the USA lately."
"I'll add that he's almost a clone of UK's freshman Alex Poythress. Same body type, skill set, size etc. really not a huge difference from what I've seen."
"No idea how he was on nobody's radar? Kid is built like a senior and isn't missing all too much in his game. Looks like a lot of people dropped the ball except our staff. Good for us."
"Didn't say same level right now. Just strikingly similar games, build height etc. Poythress certainly further ahead at this point, but lots of similarities of you watch them."
"Yeah, I have a hard time not picturing him as an upperclassmen on this team even though he's just a young buck. Crazy part is that he's going to get a ton better over time here too."
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MCN, remember when you said christian Jones could be a similar player to Alex Poythress? Now you talk about him like hes a DIII walkon. All hes done is had 18 months to improve his game.
No, I said athleticism/body type. Don't misconstrue.
Sorry, that's my mistake..
"Scary things that he's only going to get better. He really says like an upperclassmen and series I think he's one watching him play, but it's just his poise. When he works on his handle a little bit as well as his post moves, he'll really be fantastic. Kudos to the staff on landing this kid. Really an unknown gem and it's rare to find those in the USA lately."
"I'll add that he's almost a clone of UK's freshman Alex Poythress. Same body type, skill set, size etc. really not a huge difference from what I've seen."
"No idea how he was on nobody's radar? Kid is built like a senior and isn't missing all too much in his game. Looks like a lot of people dropped the ball except our staff. Good for us."
"Didn't say same level right now. Just strikingly similar games, build height etc. Poythress certainly further ahead at this point, but lots of similarities of you watch them."
"Yeah, I have a hard time not picturing him as an upperclassmen on this team even though he's just a young buck. Crazy part is that he's going to get a ton better over time here too."
Now that is funny. During his better days he gave reports like that too all of our recruits. Lol
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This what what, the first game of the season? Jones fell off the radar after that. He's a sick athlete and still think he is. Kid can dunk from the free throw line and is strong. He has a nice jumper too but I haven't seen any indication he can rebound. I was still really comparing them physically, but was excited about his play early. At that point in time he looked quite good. Maybe I had a few too many that day, who knows.