6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: Marco Baldi on January 18, 2015, 11:02:22 PM
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3 rebounds in 35 minutes? Unacceptable. Send a message, start Amar
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If the intended message is I am stupid, then yeah he should start him over Obekpa
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If the intended message is I am stupid, then yeah he should start him over Obekpa
We already got that message
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If the intended message is I am stupid, then yeah he should start him over Obekpa
We already got that message
Many times over
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3 rebounds in 35 minutes? Unacceptable. Send a message, start Amar
First point valid. Sometimes players as talented at blocking shots as Obekpa overdo it. Sometimes, I think he should fake an atempted block and go for a reb. And then there's straight out rebonuding. I'd still start him, but I'd make all this week about boxing out drills for him. Watches shots too much only to rely on outleaping opponents. Not first time....
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Guy is overrated . Plain and simple . He didn't play poorly . He just isn't that good. Not saying he is bad but he isn't as good as many think. He is often out played not because of a bad game but just because the guy he is matchup with is stronger and more skilled. Still think he is a big part of the team and hope he stays but he just isn't that good. Meaning much closer to a Sean Evans the Then a Hakeem Warwick . Sean Evans was one of my favorite players.
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Guy is overrated . Plain and simple . He didn't play poorly . He just isn't that good. Not saying he is bad but he isn't as good as many think. He is often out played not because of a bad game but just because the guy he is matchup with is stronger and more skilled. Still think he is a big part of the team and hope he stays but he just isn't that good. Meaning much closer to a Sean Evans the Then a Hakeem Warwick . Sean Evans was one of my favorite players.
He had a poor game, and he's had a few now, but let's not forget that he has also played very well against some strong teams. His rebounding against Depaul and overall defense wasn't where we've seen it against teams like Minnesota, LBS and SU. He needs to get going more on defense than offense.
This was a tough one to lose, but I still think these guys can hit a stride and make a run. And if there was any doubt as to who our most important player is, Harrison has reminded us yet again. Hope he's okay.
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CO is just a poor rebounder, too thin, can be moved easily, doesnt box out, probably because he is always thinking block. It is impossible to believe he could play pro ball on any level...would be laughed out of Europe, fundamentally unsound. Shot blocking is nice but he has to rebound to be fully effective and his lack of hoop knowledge, lack of bulk and refusal to work on it (bounding is 3/4 hard work) is killing the team. Amar is less talented physically but his size and the knowledge and experience he gained in Europe can and will make him a more effective rebounder. If he doesn't get 20M a game after this Lavin is insane.
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CO is just a poor rebounder, too thin, can be moved easily, doesnt box out, probably because he is always thinking block. It is impossible to believe he could play pro ball on any level...would be laughed out of Europe, fundamentally unsound. Shot blocking is nice but he has to rebound to be fully effective and his lack of hoop knowledge, lack of bulk and refusal to work on it (bounding is 3/4 hard work) is killing the team. Amar is less talented physically but his size and the knowledge and experience he gained in Europe can and will make him a more effective rebounder. If he doesn't get 20M a game after this Lavin is insane.
agreed with much of what you said, except 20 minutes for Amar is crazy. Guy can do some good things but he still isnt very good
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Not that good but we need another big. He is a smart player, sets the best screens on the team, nearly always in the right spot, rebounds OK and takes up space. Cant play JDR much, he shoots free throws like he is in the 6th grade. He will make free throws and has a decent shooting touch. Just needs minutes. 5 bounds in 16 is excellent.
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I like that you are positive. Maybe Amar will be good down the road. He does some good things now. The more he plays the more he will be exposed. 5 rebounds in 16 minutes = small sample size. Hopefully he can play smart and not kill us. That missed layup looked like me in a men's open gym.
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Craziest thing is how graceful Obkpa is blocking a shot and how awkward he is trying to dunk. I think he has missed more dunks than any SJU big I can ever remember. And that is saying a lot considering I watched Zendon Hamilto for 4 years.
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Craziest thing is how graceful Obkpa is blocking a shot and how awkward he is trying to dunk. I think he has missed more dunks than any SJU big I can ever remember. And that is saying a lot considering I watched Zendon Hamilto for 4 years.
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Lamont Hamilton
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Craziest thing is how graceful Obkpa is blocking a shot and how awkward he is trying to dunk. I think he has missed more dunks than any SJU big I can ever remember. And that is saying a lot considering I watched Zendon Hamilto for 4 years.
Lamont Hamilton
Lamont Hamilton missed a lot of bunnies. I'm not sure he ever tried to dunk. That was so frustrating.
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Both Hamilton's would struggle down low with contact, but yes they would be number 2 and 3 on the list. Robert Werdann was not aa good finisher either. Obekpa though has missed around 10 uncontested dunks this year. The Mount Rushmore for bad finishing SJU big man would be Hamilton, Hamilton, Werdann and Obekpa. Obekpa though would be #1
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seemed like he grabbed more rebounds this game. That doesn't change that he's bad at boxing out, he let another guy get a rebound on a free throw that turned into a 3. However, if you watched the depaul game, his lack of rebounds was more due to (i) the pace; (ii) that he was helping on doubles and traps; and (iii) that his man was leaving the paint. he's not gathers, that's for sure
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I think Lavin should send Chris out to San Diego this summer to work with Bill Walton.
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I think Lavin should send Chris out to San Diego this summer to work with Bill Walton.
I dont know if i want anyone close to the deadhead hukaah master :)
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Both Hamilton's would struggle down low with contact, but yes they would be number 2 and 3 on the list. Robert Werdann was not aa good finisher either. Obekpa though has missed around 10 uncontested dunks this year. The Mount Rushmore for bad finishing SJU big man would be Hamilton, Hamilton, Werdann and Obekpa. Obekpa though would be #1
I seem to remember Sean Evans missing a LOT of bunnies in his time here. Only about half way through his senior year did he start to get it.
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Both Hamilton's would struggle down low with contact, but yes they would be number 2 and 3 on the list. Robert Werdann was not aa good finisher either. Obekpa though has missed around 10 uncontested dunks this year. The Mount Rushmore for bad finishing SJU big man would be Hamilton, Hamilton, Werdann and Obekpa. Obekpa though would be #1
I seem to remember Sean Evans missing a LOT of bunnies in his time here. Only about half way through his senior year did he start to get it.
My favorite Sean Evans memory is in a game against Seton Hall at CA. Evans stole the ball in the backcourt and has a breakaway to the basket. He takes off for a dunk from the foul line (reminiscent of Michael Jordan) and ends up about a foot short of the basket. I've searched for video of that game and cannot find it anywhere.
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3 rebounds in 35 minutes? Unacceptable. Send a message, start Amar
Except Amar would get 3 fouls in 3 minutes. But I agree we need more out of Obekpa then blocking shots.
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Both Hamilton's would struggle down low with contact, but yes they would be number 2 and 3 on the list. Robert Werdann was not aa good finisher either. Obekpa though has missed around 10 uncontested dunks this year. The Mount Rushmore for bad finishing SJU big man would be Hamilton, Hamilton, Werdann and Obekpa. Obekpa though would be #1
I seem to remember Sean Evans missing a LOT of bunnies in his time here. Only about half way through his senior year did he start to get it.
My favorite Sean Evans memory is in a game against Seton Hall at CA. Evans stole the ball in the backcourt and has a breakaway to the basket. He takes off for a dunk from the foul line (reminiscent of Michael Jordan) and ends up about a foot short of the basket. I've searched for video of that game and cannot find it anywhere.
Could have easily happened twice haha, but I think youre talking about a Marquette came at CA. And I think we lost in overtime
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Both Hamilton's would struggle down low with contact, but yes they would be number 2 and 3 on the list. Robert Werdann was not aa good finisher either. Obekpa though has missed around 10 uncontested dunks this year. The Mount Rushmore for bad finishing SJU big man would be Hamilton, Hamilton, Werdann and Obekpa. Obekpa though would be #1
I seem to remember Sean Evans missing a LOT of bunnies in his time here. Only about half way through his senior year did he start to get it.
My favorite Sean Evans memory is in a game against Seton Hall at CA. Evans stole the ball in the backcourt and has a breakaway to the basket. He takes off for a dunk from the foul line (reminiscent of Michael Jordan) and ends up about a foot short of the basket. I've searched for video of that game and cannot find it anywhere.
Could have easily happened twice haha, but I think youre talking about a Marquette came at CA. And I think we lost in overtime
You have to be right about it being Marquette because I remember we lost the game. Wasn't sure about the OT but it sounds right.
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CO is just a poor rebounder, too thin, can be moved easily, doesnt box out, probably because he is always thinking block. It is impossible to believe he could play pro ball on any level...would be laughed out of Europe, fundamentally unsound. Shot blocking is nice but he has to rebound to be fully effective and his lack of hoop knowledge, lack of bulk and refusal to work on it (bounding is 3/4 hard work) is killing the team. Amar is less talented physically but his size and the knowledge and experience he gained in Europe can and will make him a more effective rebounder. If he doesn't get 20M a game after this Lavin is insane.
I think this is a little harsh although I will agree that CO does not box out nearly as much as he should. He is fantastic at going up and snatching the ball with his absurd length in spite of his relatively limited vertical. There are stretches where he plays with savvy and purpose--like when Dom beat his man off the bounce in the 2nd half of the Marquette game and CO cleared the lane by pretending to box out the center, giving Dom a clear path to the rim. That has to be more consistent.
Both he and Dom need to stay focused on dominating the glass. Dom had 1 total offensive rebound the prior four games before wrestling away FIVE against Marquette (12 total) in a three-point win. If he only gets 2-3, we probably lose.
I am thrilled that posters are seeing some potential in Alibegovic--it was obscenely early to write off a freshman big from another country so quickly a few weeks ago--but you can set your watch to his fouls. He is even ahead of Orlando Sanchez in that department...he's good for an unapolegetic foul every third or fourth trip down the court on defense. He has to improve. Fast. He's a tough kid.
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http://www.nbadraft.net/2015mock_draft
Pick 45 to Miami
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Both Hamilton's would struggle down low with contact, but yes they would be number 2 and 3 on the list. Robert Werdann was not aa good finisher either. Obekpa though has missed around 10 uncontested dunks this year. The Mount Rushmore for bad finishing SJU big man would be Hamilton, Hamilton, Werdann and Obekpa. Obekpa though would be #1
I seem to remember Sean Evans missing a LOT of bunnies in his time here. Only about half way through his senior year did he start to get it.
My favorite Sean Evans memory is in a game against Seton Hall at CA. Evans stole the ball in the backcourt and has a breakaway to the basket. He takes off for a dunk from the foul line (reminiscent of Michael Jordan) and ends up about a foot short of the basket. I've searched for video of that game and cannot find it anywhere.
Could have easily happened twice haha, but I think youre talking about a Marquette came at CA. And I think we lost in overtime
You have to be right about it being Marquette because I remember we lost the game. Wasn't sure about the OT but it sounds right.
Was at that game and sat in the student section behind the bucket that Sean Evans did that on. If i remember correctly he did that at a pretty pivotal juncture of a close game. I've been to a lot of basketball games and I will never forget that feeling of an entire crowd, collectively, at the very same moment all totally feeling like "what the !*#% did we just see?" It was stunning haha. Think it was the same game a Marquette kid hit a tough off balance jumper at the buzzer and tore our hearts out. Brutal game. Tough memories haha
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Both Hamilton's would struggle down low with contact, but yes they would be number 2 and 3 on the list. Robert Werdann was not aa good finisher either. Obekpa though has missed around 10 uncontested dunks this year. The Mount Rushmore for bad finishing SJU big man would be Hamilton, Hamilton, Werdann and Obekpa. Obekpa though would be #1
I seem to remember Sean Evans missing a LOT of bunnies in his time here. Only about half way through his senior year did he start to get it.
My favorite Sean Evans memory is in a game against Seton Hall at CA. Evans stole the ball in the backcourt and has a breakaway to the basket. He takes off for a dunk from the foul line (reminiscent of Michael Jordan) and ends up about a foot short of the basket. I've searched for video of that game and cannot find it anywhere.
Could have easily happened twice haha, but I think youre talking about a Marquette came at CA. And I think we lost in overtime
You have to be right about it being Marquette because I remember we lost the game. Wasn't sure about the OT but it sounds right.
Was at that game and sat in the student section behind the bucket that Sean Evans did that on. If i remember correctly he did that at a pretty pivotal juncture of a close game. I've been to a lot of basketball games and I will never forget that feeling of an entire crowd, collectively, at the very same moment all totally feeling like "what the !*#% did we just see?" It was stunning haha. Think it was the same game a Marquette kid hit a tough off balance jumper at the buzzer and tore our hearts out. Brutal game. Tough memories haha
Was that Lazar Hayward?
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I think it was Jimmy Butler. If I recall correctly, Malik Booth hit a big jumper from the right corner. It might have been to tie the game.
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CO is just a poor rebounder, too thin, can be moved easily, doesnt box out, probably because he is always thinking block. It is impossible to believe he could play pro ball on any level...would be laughed out of Europe, fundamentally unsound. Shot blocking is nice but he has to rebound to be fully effective and his lack of hoop knowledge, lack of bulk and refusal to work on it (bounding is 3/4 hard work) is killing the team. Amar is less talented physically but his size and the knowledge and experience he gained in Europe can and will make him a more effective rebounder. If he doesn't get 20M a game after this Lavin is insane.
I think this is a little harsh although I will agree that CO does not box out nearly as much as he should. He is fantastic at going up and snatching the ball with his absurd length in spite of his relatively limited vertical. There are stretches where he plays with savvy and purpose--like when Dom beat his man off the bounce in the 2nd half of the Marquette game and CO cleared the lane by pretending to box out the center, giving Dom a clear path to the rim. That has to be more consistent.
Both he and Dom need to stay focused on dominating the glass. Dom had 1 total offensive rebound the prior four games before wrestling away FIVE against Marquette (12 total) in a three-point win. If he only gets 2-3, we probably lose.
I am thrilled that posters are seeing some potential in Alibegovic--it was obscenely early to write off a freshman big from another country so quickly a few weeks ago--but you can set your watch to his fouls. He is even ahead of Orlando Sanchez in that department...he's good for an unapolegetic foul every third or fourth trip down the court on defense. He has to improve. Fast. He's a tough kid.
Amar like to get his whacks in but when you are playing limited minutes you may as well use them to defend the hoop, prevent easy buckets. As his minutes increase he must learn to be more judicious
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I think it was Jimmy Butler. If I recall correctly, Malik Booth hit a big jumper from the right corner. It might have been to tie the game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD5p_kg5oAo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD5p_kg5oAo)
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http://zagsblog.com/articles/chris-obekpa-can-help-draft-stock-against-jahlil-okafor/
The scout attended St. John’s recent loss at DePaul and said Obekpa “did nothing.” He needs to focus on defense and rebounding.
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Both Hamilton's would struggle down low with contact, but yes they would be number 2 and 3 on the list. Robert Werdann was not aa good finisher either. Obekpa though has missed around 10 uncontested dunks this year. The Mount Rushmore for bad finishing SJU big man would be Hamilton, Hamilton, Werdann and Obekpa. Obekpa though would be #1
I seem to remember Sean Evans missing a LOT of bunnies in his time here. Only about half way through his senior year did he start to get it.
My favorite Sean Evans memory is in a game against Seton Hall at CA. Evans stole the ball in the backcourt and has a breakaway to the basket. He takes off for a dunk from the foul line (reminiscent of Michael Jordan) and ends up about a foot short of the basket. I've searched for video of that game and cannot find it anywhere.
I can remember yelling many times watching Evans on a break, "please give it up, please give it up "
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Both Hamilton's would struggle down low with contact, but yes they would be number 2 and 3 on the list. Robert Werdann was not aa good finisher either. Obekpa though has missed around 10 uncontested dunks this year. The Mount Rushmore for bad finishing SJU big man would be Hamilton, Hamilton, Werdann and Obekpa. Obekpa though would be #1
I seem to remember Sean Evans missing a LOT of bunnies in his time here. Only about half way through his senior year did he start to get it.
My favorite Sean Evans memory is in a game against Seton Hall at CA. Evans stole the ball in the backcourt and has a breakaway to the basket. He takes off for a dunk from the foul line (reminiscent of Michael Jordan) and ends up about a foot short of the basket. I've searched for video of that game and cannot find it anywhere.
Bobre paid to have them deleted from existence.
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http://www.nbadraft.net/2015mock_draft
Pick 45 to Miami
No D'lo or did I miss him ?
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seemed like he grabbed more rebounds this game. That doesn't change that he's bad at boxing out, he let another guy get a rebound on a free throw that turned into a 3. However, if you watched the depaul game, his lack of rebounds was more due to (i) the pace; (ii) that he was helping on doubles and traps; and (iii) that his man was leaving the paint. he's not gathers, that's for sure
FYI Rico Gathers had 25 pts and 28 rebs the other night for Baylor.
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seemed like he grabbed more rebounds this game. That doesn't change that he's bad at boxing out, he let another guy get a rebound on a free throw that turned into a 3. However, if you watched the depaul game, his lack of rebounds was more due to (i) the pace; (ii) that he was helping on doubles and traps; and (iii) that his man was leaving the paint. he's not gathers, that's for sure
FYI Rico Gathers had 25 pts and 28 rebs the other night for Baylor.
It was against Huston Tillotson (NAIA). But he would be perfect on this team.
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Okafor treated Obekpa like a rag doll. Toying, laughing and jawing at him. Better come back next year son. Work on your blocking out and get some moves under the basket
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I though Obekpa battled Okafor all game long and for the most part, did a great job.. He had help, but still... Stayed out of foul trouble and until the end, kept him in check... At one point, midway thru the second half, JO only had 5 shot attempts...
Sorry Baldi, I disagree.. I though Chris played him as tough as anyone and opened some eyes as a defender.
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I though Obekpa battled Okafor all game long and for the most part, did a great job.. He had help, but still... Stayed out of foul trouble and until the end, kept him in check... At one point, midway thru the second half, JO only had 5 shot attempts...
Sorry Baldi, I disagree.. I though Chris played him as tough as anyone and opened some eyes as a defender.
17 points and 10 rebounds, 6 of those offensive or the future Knick. He was able to back Obekpa down at will it seemed. Obekpa does not block out, never. He got beat to the basket on every free throw. And his offensive game, footwork etc does not exist. I hope he comes back
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I'm slowly starting to think that maybe Karl Anthony- Towns is gong to be the better pro.
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I though Obekpa battled Okafor all game long and for the most part, did a great job.. He had help, but still... Stayed out of foul trouble and until the end, kept him in check... At one point, midway thru the second half, JO only had 5 shot attempts...
Sorry Baldi, I disagree.. I though Chris played him as tough as anyone and opened some eyes as a defender.
17 points and 10 rebounds, 6 of those offensive or the future Knick. He was able to back Obekpa down at will it seemed. Obekpa does not block out, never. He got beat to the basket on every free throw. And his offensive game, footwork etc does not exist. I hope he comes back
Only 4 defensive boards for Okafor??? He should have more.
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I'm slowly starting to think that maybe Karl Anthony- Towns is gong to be the better pro.
Knicks will take the Ryan Leaf of the 2
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I though Obekpa battled Okafor all game long and for the most part, did a great job.. He had help, but still... Stayed out of foul trouble and until the end, kept him in check... At one point, midway thru the second half, JO only had 5 shot attempts...
Sorry Baldi, I disagree.. I though Chris played him as tough as anyone and opened some eyes as a defender.
17 points and 10 rebounds, 6 of those offensive or the future Knick. He was able to back Obekpa down at will it seemed. Obekpa does not block out, never. He got beat to the basket on every free throw. And his offensive game, footwork etc does not exist. I hope he comes back
Only 4 defensive boards for Okafor??? He should have more.
Duke had 44 rebounds, we had 29
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I though Obekpa battled Okafor all game long and for the most part, did a great job.. He had help, but still... Stayed out of foul trouble and until the end, kept him in check... At one point, midway thru the second half, JO only had 5 shot attempts...
Sorry Baldi, I disagree.. I though Chris played him as tough as anyone and opened some eyes as a defender.
17 points and 10 rebounds, 6 of those offensive or the future Knick. He was able to back Obekpa down at will it seemed. Obekpa does not block out, never. He got beat to the basket on every free throw. And his offensive game, footwork etc does not exist. I hope he comes back
Only 4 defensive boards for Okafor??? He should have more.
Duke had 44 rebounds, we had 29
44 rebounds and only 4 defensive boards for Okafor???
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I though Obekpa battled Okafor all game long and for the most part, did a great job.. He had help, but still... Stayed out of foul trouble and until the end, kept him in check... At one point, midway thru the second half, JO only had 5 shot attempts...
Sorry Baldi, I disagree.. I though Chris played him as tough as anyone and opened some eyes as a defender.
17 points and 10 rebounds, 6 of those offensive or the future Knick. He was able to back Obekpa down at will it seemed. Obekpa does not block out, never. He got beat to the basket on every free throw. And his offensive game, footwork etc does not exist. I hope he comes back
Only 4 defensive boards for Okafor??? He should have more.
Duke had 44 rebounds, we had 29
44 rebounds and only 4 defensive boards for Okafor???
He has teammates who rebound
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Lol the whole game people were praising how Obekpa was playing Okafor. Get the #$%^ outta here.
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Lol the whole game people were praising how Obekpa was playing Okafor. Get the #$%^ outta here.
17 and 10 is 17 and 10. That's what we are calling locking people up now?
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He averages 19 a game and played 38 minutes. So yes, thats a lock down.
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Chris did a good job. Battled him the whole game and did a good job fronting that kid. He is a load.
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I'm slowly starting to think that maybe Karl Anthony- Towns is gong to be the better pro.
Nah!
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Lol the whole game people were praising how Obekpa was playing Okafor. Get the #$%^ outta here.
17 and 10 is 17 and 10. That's what we are calling locking people up now?
Shouldn't the #1 pick score more than 17 against Obekpa's bad defense?
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Lol the whole game people were praising how Obekpa was playing Okafor. Get the #$%^ outta here.
17 and 10 is 17 and 10. That's what we are calling locking people up now?
Shouldn't the #1 pick score more than 17 against Obekpa's bad defense?
Duke won by 9. Only St Johns fans would consider 17 and 10 as a lockdown
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I guess it's good we held Tyus a Jones under 30 too
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Lol the whole game people were praising how Obekpa was playing Okafor. Get the #$%^ outta here.
17 and 10 is 17 and 10. That's what we are calling locking people up now?
Shouldn't the #1 pick score more than 17 against Obekpa's bad defense?
Duke won by 9. Only St Johns fans would consider 17 and 10 as a lockdown
I wouldn't say he was locked down, but he was held under his season average no? He did man handle CO a couple of times but not the whole game.
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Lol the whole game people were praising how Obekpa was playing Okafor. Get the #$%^ outta here.
17 and 10 is 17 and 10. That's what we are calling locking people up now?
Shouldn't the #1 pick score more than 17 against Obekpa's bad defense?
Duke won by 9. Only St Johns fans would consider 17 and 10 as a lockdown
I wouldn't say he was locked down, but he was held under his season average no? He did man handle CO a couple of times but not the whole game.
From what I watched, he seemed to what he wanted, when he wanted. He already forgot about Obekpa
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Lol the whole game people were praising how Obekpa was playing Okafor. Get the #$%^ outta here.
17 and 10 is 17 and 10. That's what we are calling locking people up now?
Shouldn't the #1 pick score more than 17 against Obekpa's bad defense?
Duke won by 9. Only St Johns fans would consider 17 and 10 as a lockdown
I wouldn't say he was locked down, but he was held under his season average no? He did man handle CO a couple of times but not the whole game.
From what I watched, he seemed to what he wanted, when he wanted. He already forgot about Obekpa
Then watch again, because you missed a good game lol
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Lol the whole game people were praising how Obekpa was playing Okafor. Get the #$%^ outta here.
17 and 10 is 17 and 10. That's what we are calling locking people up now?
Shouldn't the #1 pick score more than 17 against Obekpa's bad defense?
Duke won by 9. Only St Johns fans would consider 17 and 10 as a lockdown
I wouldn't say he was locked down, but he was held under his season average no? He did man handle CO a couple of times but not the whole game.
From what I watched, he seemed to what he wanted, when he wanted. He already forgot about Obekpa
Then watch again, because you missed a good game lol
I did DVR it. But no need to watch the wheels come off again. I just saw Okafor highlights on sports center btw. Obekpa was in them
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Lol the whole game people were praising how Obekpa was playing Okafor. Get the #$%^ outta here.
17 and 10 is 17 and 10. That's what we are calling locking people up now?
Shouldn't the #1 pick score more than 17 against Obekpa's bad defense?
Duke won by 9. Only St Johns fans would consider 17 and 10 as a lockdown
I wouldn't say he was locked down, but he was held under his season average no? He did man handle CO a couple of times but not the whole game.
From what I watched, he seemed to what he wanted, when he wanted. He already forgot about Obekpa
Then watch again, because you missed a good game lol
I did DVR it. But no need to watch the wheels come off again. I just saw Okafor highlights on sports center btw. Obekpa was in them
Of course. Obekpa doing a good job fronting Okafor isn't Sports Center material. You are better than this Baldi.
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Obekpa is a liability on the boards and offensively, more on offense. He needs to comeback
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Obekpa is a liability on the boards and offensively, more on offense. He needs to comeback
Generally, he could improve on his rebounding. But this was not the game to call him out for it. Got 8 boards (was listed at 10, not sure what happened to his other two) on a night when he was clearly not the best big on the floor. He played solid D on Okafor after the first few minutes, all things considered. Busted his ass out there banging around with him. Only a fool couldn't see that...
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I though Obekpa battled Okafor all game long and for the most part, did a great job.. He had help, but still... Stayed out of foul trouble and until the end, kept him in check... At one point, midway thru the second half, JO only had 5 shot attempts...
Sorry Baldi, I disagree.. I though Chris played him as tough as anyone and opened some eyes as a defender.
As usual baldi is showing his lack of knowledge. Obekpa did a fantastic job guarding okafor and primarily denying the entry pass. Okafor had to work as hard as he has in any game this year. The Duke alumni I was with kept commenting on how well obekpa was doing defending okafor, especially before okafor had the ball.
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Where's Testicles when you need him? ;)
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Stats don't lie
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Obekpa played a good game defensively . He gave up points and rebounds to a better player. He battled and made some plays. The other guy was just better.
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Obekpa played a good game defensively . He gave up points and rebounds to a better player. He battled and made some plays. The other guy was just better.
Exactly, plus CO, like most of our guys ran out of gas, Okafor did most of his damage down the stretch, while CO bodied him up well during the first 34 minutes.
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I though Obekpa battled Okafor all game long and for the most part, did a great job.. He had help, but still... Stayed out of foul trouble and until the end, kept him in check... At one point, midway thru the second half, JO only had 5 shot attempts...
Sorry Baldi, I disagree.. I though Chris played him as tough as anyone and opened some eyes as a defender.
As usual baldi is showing his lack of knowledge. Obekpa did a fantastic job guarding okafor and primarily denying the entry pass. Okafor had to work as hard as he has in any game this year. The Duke alumni I was with kept commenting on how well obekpa was doing defending okafor, especially before okafor had the ball.
Ha. To be expected...
Agreed - all things considered, Obekpa did a very solid job. Wasn't as impressed with Okafor as I thought I would be.
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Stats don't lie
No but like a good lawyer they can frame lots of different pictures depending on what you want to portray.
Oaks mere 10 points through 30 minutes helps tell the stat of the excellent entry pass denial and d obekpa was playing.
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obekpa did a great job using his athleticism and length to deny okafor the entry pass. okafor used the power movoe succesfully a few times, but overall held his ground on D. obekpa and dom both allowed a few too many second chances on the offensive glass, but we also got more second chance points than usual (or at least it seemed like)
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Where's Testicles when you need him? ;)
them?
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Chris did a decent job on D , but the game has 2 sides of the court. He did nothing on offense and that is the difference between the two. How he missed that dunk is beyond me would have been a and 1.
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Chris did a decent job on D , but the game has 2 sides of the court. He did nothing on offense and that is the difference between the two. How he missed that dunk is beyond me would have been a and 1.
You guys missed my point. I meant he played good for him. He is not that good. Good players never or rarely miss dunks. He misses dunks like its his job. Chris played a solid game Sunday. We lost because their big man were much better not because Chris didn't play well.
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He also looked 3 inches shorter
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Obekpa busted his ass on "D". The fact that Okafor outplayed him does not take away from how hard Obekpa played. Out- weighed by about 35 pounds or more and an inch or 2 shorter Obekpa did what he could. We know Obekpa is weak offensively so expecting him to score against such a high quality opponent is asking a bit much. I can't knock his defensive effort. Hope he builds on that going forward.
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CO did well when fronting and denying the ball but when Oak was able to get the ball and use his strength to back in it was no contest. This is what CO would face every night at the next level and he does not have the lower body strength, ala Ron Artest. I thought the backing in of CO was quite physical and was glad the refs let them play as I thought a lot of refs would have been whistle happy. If CO can't hold em out he has to learn to "flop" outside the circle under the basket.
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Instead of picking on Obekpa, what about our guards and their inability to defend the 3 ball in the second half? Duke and their two evil dwarf guards were driving and shooting threes at will. Lavin had no adjustment. Typical of him in a big game.
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Instead of picking on Obekpa, what about our guards and their inability to defend the 3 ball in the second half? Duke and their two evil dwarf guards were driving and shooting threes at will. Lavin had no adjustment. Typical of him in a big game.
The guards are used to having Obekpa waiting when they get lazy and take a play off. But Obekpa had his own problems, 2 big Dukies
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Obekpa busted his ass on "D". The fact that Okafor outplayed him does not take away from how hard Obekpa played. Out- weighed by about 35 pounds or more and an inch or 2 shorter Obekpa did what he could. We know Obekpa is weak offensively so expecting him to score against such a high quality opponent is asking a bit much. I can't knock his defensive effort. Hope he builds on that going forward.
Agree with everything you said. The problem I have is he we are hoping this guy comes back like he is a star. He is a good 4 year player. Not close to being a star. I like rooting for him and understand his limitations but he is way over hyped . Guy is a great shot blocker. Everything else he does is well below average.
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Instead of picking on Obekpa, what about our guards and their inability to defend the 3 ball in the second half? Duke and their two evil dwarf guards were driving and shooting threes at will. Lavin had no adjustment. Typical of him in a big game.
"Evil dwarf guards" - such a typical comment from you...
One of those "evil dwarfs" will be a first round NBA draft pick in June... but hey, what can you do..
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Obekpa busted his ass on "D". The fact that Okafor outplayed him does not take away from how hard Obekpa played. Out- weighed by about 35 pounds or more and an inch or 2 shorter Obekpa did what he could. We know Obekpa is weak offensively so expecting him to score against such a high quality opponent is asking a bit much. I can't knock his defensive effort. Hope he builds on that going forward.
Agree with everything you said. The problem I have is he we are hoping this guy comes back like he is a star. He is a good 4 year player. Not close to being a star. I like rooting for him and understand his limitations but he is way over hyped . Guy is a great shot blocker. Everything else he does is well below average.
Is that a fact or just your opinion?
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what about our guards
The truth is that our best guard has been "awful" in these last three. We're lucky to have pulled out one of them with him shooting like this. Sadly our best player, and not the other three guards, has been the heart of the problem right smack in the meat of our schedule.
If he doesn't start to have some near 40% shooting nights yesterday, we're gonna be in deep doo.
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Obekpa busted his ass on "D". The fact that Okafor outplayed him does not take away from how hard Obekpa played. Out- weighed by about 35 pounds or more and an inch or 2 shorter Obekpa did what he could. We know Obekpa is weak offensively so expecting him to score against such a high quality opponent is asking a bit much. I can't knock his defensive effort. Hope he builds on that going forward.
Agree with everything you said. The problem I have is he we are hoping this guy comes back like he is a star. He is a good 4 year player. Not close to being a star. I like rooting for him and understand his limitations but he is way over hyped . Guy is a great shot blocker. Everything else he does is well below average.
Is that a fact or just your opinion?
That is my opinion . However I base it on facts.