6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: QueensToCali on December 17, 2014, 07:03:44 PM
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ESPN online interview with Lavin titled "Steve Lavin has St. John's Clicking"
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/page/coachspeak141217/st-john-coach-steve-lavin-turned-red-storm-pro.ram
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Lavin has been making the rounds... Yesterday on Jim Rome, Today with Kay and on WFAN..
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Lavin has been making the rounds... Yesterday on Jim Rome, Today with Kay and on WFAN..
Doug Gottlieb today also.
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Lavin has been making the rounds... Yesterday on Jim Rome, Today with Kay and on WFAN..
Doug Gottlieb today also.
This is not a snide remark and not trying to start a debate. Lavin has faults, but this is a big positive. Would the Manhattan coach or either Hurley get this much publicity?
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Lavin has been making the rounds... Yesterday on Jim Rome, Today with Kay and on WFAN..
Doug Gottlieb today also.
This is not a snide remark and not trying to start a debate. Lavin has faults, but this is a big positive. Would the Manhattan coach or either Hurley get this much publicity?
Yes, they would. Unless you're implying that they should compete with Lavin's success this season, when they have to strut out a starting 5 next year that looks like this:
PG - Doughty
SG - Stewart
SF - Balamou
PF - Amar Alibegovic
C - Adonis Delarosa
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Lavin has been making the rounds... Yesterday on Jim Rome, Today with Kay and on WFAN..
Doug Gottlieb today also.
This is not a snide remark and not trying to start a debate. Lavin has faults, but this is a big positive. Would the Manhattan coach or either Hurley get this much publicity?
Yes, they would. Unless you're implying that they should compete with Lavin's success this season, when they have to strut out a starting 5 next year that looks like this: PG - Doughty SG - Stewart SF - Balamou PF - Amar Alibegovic C - Adonis Delarosa
Is that honestly what you think the starting 5 will be? Do you honestly think Lavin will not get players for next year?
Byt he way, stewart, adonis, and Doughty were 3 star guys. not bums. Atleast the same quality player that most of the conference gets
Just because it is considered fact on here, Jordan and Obekpa did not declare for the draft yet. They may want to go and still come back.
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Lavin has been making the rounds... Yesterday on Jim Rome, Today with Kay and on WFAN..
Doug Gottlieb today also.
This is not a snide remark and not trying to start a debate. Lavin has faults, but this is a big positive. Would the Manhattan coach or either Hurley get this much publicity?
As the coach of st johns? Yea, probably.
But even if they didnt, they'd win more.
How often is kevin Ollie in the press? Mark Few? Shaka?
You can hire a pr guy, or you can go for a basketball coach.
That said, I though coach was great on WFAN today. Much less bs than usual. He was self aware in a way that he usually isnt. He pointedly acknowledged that what he was saying might sound like coach speak or hyperbole.
He's never that self aware.
Best interview he's done in awhile.
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Lavin has been making the rounds... Yesterday on Jim Rome, Today with Kay and on WFAN..
Doug Gottlieb today also.
This is not a snide remark and not trying to start a debate. Lavin has faults, but this is a big positive. Would the Manhattan coach or either Hurley get this much publicity?
Yes, they would. Unless you're implying that they should compete with Lavin's success this season, when they have to strut out a starting 5 next year that looks like this: PG - Doughty SG - Stewart SF - Balamou PF - Amar Alibegovic C - Adonis Delarosa
Is that honestly what you think the starting 5 will be? Do you honestly think Lavin will not get players for next year?
Byt he way, stewart, adonis, and Doughty were 3 star guys. not bums. Atleast the same quality player that most of the conference gets
Just because it is considered fact on here, Jordan and Obekpa did not declare for the draft yet. They may want to go and still come back.
You clearly haven't looked at the rest of the conference's recruiting.
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I'll give Lavin the benefit of the doubt when it comes to recruiting until he's proven me wrong. He's pulled a few rabbits out of his hat in past years.
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Come on. No way in hell that's the starting lineup next season.
Heard the Rome spot. Zero substance. Will got the Fan and Gottlieb on podcast.
Side note : Gottlieb as a host is much better than I remember him back at ESPN.
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I'll give Lavin the benefit of the doubt when it comes to recruiting until he's proven me wrong. He's pulled a few rabbits out of his hat in past years.
Since 2012 he has recruited 1 top 50 player. Jordan. (I count sampson from his original class)
That's 3 full recruiting classes plus this year so far. I know you all think Im biased, but a "great" recruiter doesn't sign 1 top 50 player in 4 years.
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I forget what year it is all the time . However after some thinking I realize that 2012 is not 4 years ago. Only ONE season so far. THIS season isn't finished.
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this year he got no one. last year he got rysheed jordan, who is pretty good. year before that he got jakaar sampson and chris obekpa, both pretty good. year before that he got d'angelo harrison and mo harkless, both pretty good. if he gets no one next year then he will have had two bad years in a row, but if he does, then he had one bad year.
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Too much Kool Aid, Napes? How can you not see the sky is falling? ;)
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http://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2014/12/17/7360469/st-johns-basketball-chris-obekpa-state-nba
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I'll give Lavin the benefit of the doubt when it comes to recruiting until he's proven me wrong. He's pulled a few rabbits out of his hat in past years.
Since 2012 he has recruited 1 top 50 player. Jordan. (I count sampson from his original class) That's 3 full recruiting classes plus this year so far. I know you all think Im biased, but a "great" recruiter doesn't sign 1 top 50 player in 4 years.
Desco since lavins first season there has been 1 recruiting year where he didn't get a top 50 player. That's a fact.
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I'll give Lavin the benefit of the doubt when it comes to recruiting until he's proven me wrong. He's pulled a few rabbits out of his hat in past years.
Since 2012 he has recruited 1 top 50 player. Jordan. (I count sampson from his original class) That's 3 full recruiting classes plus this year so far. I know you all think Im biased, but a "great" recruiter doesn't sign 1 top 50 player in 4 years.
Desco since lavins first season there has been 1 recruiting year where he didn't get a top 50 player. That's a fact.
And he hasn't made the tourny with them. Only with Previous coaches guys
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I'll give Lavin the benefit of the doubt when it comes to recruiting until he's proven me wrong. He's pulled a few rabbits out of his hat in past years.
Since 2012 he has recruited 1 top 50 player. Jordan. (I count sampson from his original class) That's 3 full recruiting classes plus this year so far. I know you all think Im biased, but a "great" recruiter doesn't sign 1 top 50 player in 4 years.
Desco since lavins first season there has been 1 recruiting year where he didn't get a top 50 player. That's a fact.
And he hasn't made the tourny with them. Only with Previous coaches guys
When he makes it this year, what will you hate on next? Back to his attire?
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I'll give Lavin the benefit of the doubt when it comes to recruiting until he's proven me wrong. He's pulled a few rabbits out of his hat in past years.
Since 2012 he has recruited 1 top 50 player. Jordan. (I count sampson from his original class) That's 3 full recruiting classes plus this year so far. I know you all think Im biased, but a "great" recruiter doesn't sign 1 top 50 player in 4 years.
Desco since lavins first season there has been 1 recruiting year where he didn't get a top 50 player. That's a fact.
And he hasn't made the tourny with them. Only with Previous coaches guys
2 of them are in the NBA however.
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I'll give Lavin the benefit of the doubt when it comes to recruiting until he's proven me wrong. He's pulled a few rabbits out of his hat in past years.
Since 2012 he has recruited 1 top 50 player. Jordan. (I count sampson from his original class) That's 3 full recruiting classes plus this year so far. I know you all think Im biased, but a "great" recruiter doesn't sign 1 top 50 player in 4 years.
Desco since lavins first season there has been 1 recruiting year where he didn't get a top 50 player. That's a fact.
And he hasn't made the tourny with them. Only with Previous coaches guys
When he makes it this year, what will you hate on next? Back to his attire?
No. I'll wait for 3 years in a row missing the tourny. Again
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I'll give Lavin the benefit of the doubt when it comes to recruiting until he's proven me wrong. He's pulled a few rabbits out of his hat in past years.
Since 2012 he has recruited 1 top 50 player. Jordan. (I count sampson from his original class) That's 3 full recruiting classes plus this year so far. I know you all think Im biased, but a "great" recruiter doesn't sign 1 top 50 player in 4 years.
Desco since lavins first season there has been 1 recruiting year where he didn't get a top 50 player. That's a fact.
And he hasn't made the tourny with them. Only with Previous coaches guys
When he makes it this year, what will you hate on next? Back to his attire?
No. I'll wait for 3 years in a row missing the tourny. Again
Baldi - serious question here, were you ever a fan of Lavin? If so - what was the turning point?
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I'll give Lavin the benefit of the doubt when it comes to recruiting until he's proven me wrong. He's pulled a few rabbits out of his hat in past years.
Since 2012 he has recruited 1 top 50 player. Jordan. (I count sampson from his original class) That's 3 full recruiting classes plus this year so far. I know you all think Im biased, but a "great" recruiter doesn't sign 1 top 50 player in 4 years.
Desco since lavins first season there has been 1 recruiting year where he didn't get a top 50 player. That's a fact.
And he hasn't made the tourny with them. Only with Previous coaches guys
I think if there's one clear cut great thing that Lavin did for Norm's kids it's that he helped them realize their potential. The guy who recruited them was so lost, he didn't even know what he had. If Norm stays, our starting 5 in 2010/2011 is Boothe, Horne, DJ, Evans and Burrell/Coker.
Lavin was the head coach that season. So, he gets the credit for leading the team to the success they had not even sniffed under Roberts.
Boothe, Horne, Hardy, Brownlee, Evans and Burrell either showed marked improvement, or unbelievable improvement. The coach has to get credit for that.
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I'll give Lavin the benefit of the doubt when it comes to recruiting until he's proven me wrong. He's pulled a few rabbits out of his hat in past years.
Since 2012 he has recruited 1 top 50 player. Jordan. (I count sampson from his original class) That's 3 full recruiting classes plus this year so far. I know you all think Im biased, but a "great" recruiter doesn't sign 1 top 50 player in 4 years.
Desco since lavins first season there has been 1 recruiting year where he didn't get a top 50 player. That's a fact.
2011 - Big class with Harrison, Pointer, Moe etc
2012 - Sampson (part of the first class really) Obekpa, Felix, Jones, Sanchez, Marco
2013 - Jordan #17 ESPN
2014 - Thomas, ADR, JDR, Amar
2015 - Doughtry
So, as I was saying - considering that Sampson was a part of the first recruiting class, Lavin has landed one top 50 player in the last 4 classes, including this one.
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I'll give Lavin the benefit of the doubt when it comes to recruiting until he's proven me wrong. He's pulled a few rabbits out of his hat in past years.
Since 2012 he has recruited 1 top 50 player. Jordan. (I count sampson from his original class) That's 3 full recruiting classes plus this year so far. I know you all think Im biased, but a "great" recruiter doesn't sign 1 top 50 player in 4 years.
Desco since lavins first season there has been 1 recruiting year where he didn't get a top 50 player. That's a fact.
And he hasn't made the tourny with them. Only with Previous coaches guys
When he makes it this year, what will you hate on next? Back to his attire?
No. I'll wait for 3 years in a row missing the tourny. Again
We should be so lucky that you would wait 3 years to complain/cry/bitch/troll....
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I'll give Lavin the benefit of the doubt when it comes to recruiting until he's proven me wrong. He's pulled a few rabbits out of his hat in past years.
Since 2012 he has recruited 1 top 50 player. Jordan. (I count sampson from his original class) That's 3 full recruiting classes plus this year so far. I know you all think Im biased, but a "great" recruiter doesn't sign 1 top 50 player in 4 years.
Desco since lavins first season there has been 1 recruiting year where he didn't get a top 50 player. That's a fact.
And he hasn't made the tourny with them. Only with Previous coaches guys
When he makes it this year, what will you hate on next? Back to his attire?
Back to? It never stopped bothering me.
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I'll give Lavin the benefit of the doubt when it comes to recruiting until he's proven me wrong. He's pulled a few rabbits out of his hat in past years.
Since 2012 he has recruited 1 top 50 player. Jordan. (I count sampson from his original class) That's 3 full recruiting classes plus this year so far. I know you all think Im biased, but a "great" recruiter doesn't sign 1 top 50 player in 4 years.
Desco since lavins first season there has been 1 recruiting year where he didn't get a top 50 player. That's a fact.
2011 - Big class with Harrison, Pointer, Moe etc
2012 - Sampson (part of the first class really) Obekpa, Felix, Jones, Sanchez, Marco
2013 - Jordan #17 ESPN
2014 - Thomas, ADR, JDR, Amar
2015 - Doughtry
So, as I was saying - considering that Sampson was a part of the first recruiting class, Lavin has landed one top 50 player in the last 4 classes, including this one.
Your point is clear, but counting Sampson as part of 2011 is not how it works. It adds to your argument, and I understand in order to make your argument you needed to "sway" the facts, but the fact remains he did not play for SJU in 2011, and in fact de-committed, took visits, entertained other offers, and ultimately signed back. He counts as a 2012 recruit.
If Sampson went to Kansas would you have included him in their 2011 recruiting class?
You can't include this class as it's not over yet, so there goes that argument as well.
2011 - Big class with Harrison, Pointer, Moe etc
2012 - Sampson, Obekpa, Felix, Jones, Sanchez, Marco
2013 - Jordan #17 ESPN
2014 - Thomas, ADR, JDR, Amar
3/4 years with top 50 recruits.
I'm not a Lavin supporter, but to alter the facts like that to prove a point is very misleading, and not true in any universe.
Hypothetical for you Desco - if a top 50 kid commits, doesn't qualify, goes to JUCO for 2 years, and then commit, would you count him as part of the original class, or the class 2 years after?
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I'll give Lavin the benefit of the doubt when it comes to recruiting until he's proven me wrong. He's pulled a few rabbits out of his hat in past years.
Since 2012 he has recruited 1 top 50 player. Jordan. (I count sampson from his original class) That's 3 full recruiting classes plus this year so far. I know you all think Im biased, but a "great" recruiter doesn't sign 1 top 50 player in 4 years.
Desco since lavins first season there has been 1 recruiting year where he didn't get a top 50 player. That's a fact.
2011 - Big class with Harrison, Pointer, Moe etc 2012 - Sampson (part of the first class really) Obekpa, Felix, Jones, Sanchez, Marco 2013 - Jordan #17 ESPN 2014 - Thomas, ADR, JDR, Amar 2015 - Doughtry So, as I was saying - considering that Sampson was a part of the first recruiting class, Lavin has landed one top 50 player in the last 4 classes, including this one.
Your point is clear, but counting Sampson as part of 2011 is not how it works. It adds to your argument, and I understand in order to make your argument you needed to "sway" the facts, but the fact remains he did not play for SJU in 2011, and in fact de-committed, took visits, entertained other offers, and ultimately signed back. He counts as a 2012 recruit. If Sampson went to Kansas would you have included him in their 2011 recruiting class? You can't include this class as it's not over yet, so there goes that argument as well. 2011 - Big class with Harrison, Pointer, Moe etc 2012 - Sampson, Obekpa, Felix, Jones, Sanchez, Marco 2013 - Jordan #17 ESPN 2014 - Thomas, ADR, JDR, Amar 3/4 years with top 50 recruits. I'm not a Lavin supporter, but to alter the facts like that to prove a point is very misleading, and not true in any universe. Hypothetical for you Desco - if a top 50 kid commits, doesn't qualify, goes to JUCO for 2 years, and then commit, would you count him as part of the original class, or the class 2 years after?
2 years at JUCO is different than taking summer classes to come here, not getting elidgibe and going to prep school, and redeclaring for us 6mos later.
I think it's entirely fair to count Sampson as part of the first class. That's when Lavin started recruiting him.
But either way, even if you include Sampson there is an impression that Lavin is adding top notch talent every year. He's not.
He's added Sampson, Obekpa, and Jordan as ranked recruits. 3. In 3 and 1/2 seasons of recruiting.
That's not elite recruiting anymore. And it's not like we haven't had available scholarships.
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I'll give Lavin the benefit of the doubt when it comes to recruiting until he's proven me wrong. He's pulled a few rabbits out of his hat in past years.
Since 2012 he has recruited 1 top 50 player. Jordan. (I count sampson from his original class) That's 3 full recruiting classes plus this year so far. I know you all think Im biased, but a "great" recruiter doesn't sign 1 top 50 player in 4 years.
Desco since lavins first season there has been 1 recruiting year where he didn't get a top 50 player. That's a fact.
2011 - Big class with Harrison, Pointer, Moe etc 2012 - Sampson (part of the first class really) Obekpa, Felix, Jones, Sanchez, Marco 2013 - Jordan #17 ESPN 2014 - Thomas, ADR, JDR, Amar 2015 - Doughtry So, as I was saying - considering that Sampson was a part of the first recruiting class, Lavin has landed one top 50 player in the last 4 classes, including this one.
You can choose to not include Sampson to make your argument stronger. That's just going against facts. There is one class that hasn't included a top 50 player. That's it. This year hasn't happened yet. It is much easier to poke holes in lavins coaching. The level he has recruited at at johns has been close to fantastic. Has he slowed down? Sure, perhaps by a large margin but let's not pretend like it's been a 4 year recruiting slump when there's three top 50 seniors, a top 75 junior, and top 30 sophomore all on this years team.
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FWIW Van Coleman had Obekpa in his Top 50, though he ended up #69 in RSCI.
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"to alter the facts like that to prove a point is very misleading, and not true in any universe. "
+1
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I'll give Lavin the benefit of the doubt when it comes to recruiting until he's proven me wrong. He's pulled a few rabbits out of his hat in past years.
Since 2012 he has recruited 1 top 50 player. Jordan. (I count sampson from his original class) That's 3 full recruiting classes plus this year so far. I know you all think Im biased, but a "great" recruiter doesn't sign 1 top 50 player in 4 years.
Desco since lavins first season there has been 1 recruiting year where he didn't get a top 50 player. That's a fact.
And he hasn't made the tourny with them. Only with Previous coaches guys
If you think my point was to prove lavin is a good basketball coach then you are totally mistaken.
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I'll give Lavin the benefit of the doubt when it comes to recruiting until he's proven me wrong. He's pulled a few rabbits out of his hat in past years.
Since 2012 he has recruited 1 top 50 player. Jordan. (I count sampson from his original class) That's 3 full recruiting classes plus this year so far. I know you all think Im biased, but a "great" recruiter doesn't sign 1 top 50 player in 4 years.
Desco since lavins first season there has been 1 recruiting year where he didn't get a top 50 player. That's a fact.
2011 - Big class with Harrison, Pointer, Moe etc 2012 - Sampson (part of the first class really) Obekpa, Felix, Jones, Sanchez, Marco 2013 - Jordan #17 ESPN 2014 - Thomas, ADR, JDR, Amar 2015 - Doughtry So, as I was saying - considering that Sampson was a part of the first recruiting class, Lavin has landed one top 50 player in the last 4 classes, including this one.
Your point is clear, but counting Sampson as part of 2011 is not how it works. It adds to your argument, and I understand in order to make your argument you needed to "sway" the facts, but the fact remains he did not play for SJU in 2011, and in fact de-committed, took visits, entertained other offers, and ultimately signed back. He counts as a 2012 recruit. If Sampson went to Kansas would you have included him in their 2011 recruiting class? You can't include this class as it's not over yet, so there goes that argument as well. 2011 - Big class with Harrison, Pointer, Moe etc 2012 - Sampson, Obekpa, Felix, Jones, Sanchez, Marco 2013 - Jordan #17 ESPN 2014 - Thomas, ADR, JDR, Amar 3/4 years with top 50 recruits. I'm not a Lavin supporter, but to alter the facts like that to prove a point is very misleading, and not true in any universe. Hypothetical for you Desco - if a top 50 kid commits, doesn't qualify, goes to JUCO for 2 years, and then commit, would you count him as part of the original class, or the class 2 years after?
2 years at JUCO is different than taking summer classes to come here, not getting elidgibe and going to prep school, and redeclaring for us 6mos later.
I think it's entirely fair to count Sampson as part of the first class. That's when Lavin started recruiting him.
But either way, even if you include Sampson there is an impression that Lavin is adding top notch talent every year. He's not.
He's added Sampson, Obekpa, and Jordan as ranked recruits. 3. In 3 and 1/2 seasons of recruiting.
That's not elite recruiting anymore. And it's not like we haven't had available scholarships.
To go one step further.
Obekpa, Sampson and Jordan all committed in the spring.
So if you had run your numbers at this time any of the other years, none of them would be on your list either.
Wait until the Spring session to kill Lavin on the recruiting. I agree, the trend is not positive with his recruiting. No need to try to skew that fact with manipulating the year a recruit started playing basketball collegiately.
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I'll give Lavin the benefit of the doubt when it comes to recruiting until he's proven me wrong. He's pulled a few rabbits out of his hat in past years.
Since 2012 he has recruited 1 top 50 player. Jordan. (I count sampson from his original class) That's 3 full recruiting classes plus this year so far. I know you all think Im biased, but a "great" recruiter doesn't sign 1 top 50 player in 4 years.
Desco since lavins first season there has been 1 recruiting year where he didn't get a top 50 player. That's a fact.
And he hasn't made the tourny with them. Only with Previous coaches guys
When he makes it this year, what will you hate on next? Back to his attire?
No. I'll wait for 3 years in a row missing the tourny. Again
Baldi - serious question here, were you ever a fan of Lavin? If so - what was the turning point?
Yes I was a fan of the hire.
Turning point is thought to say. Probably lack of improvement. As I always say, I'm not sure what's worse..not getting talent and losing, or getting the talent and still losing.
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I'll give Lavin the benefit of the doubt when it comes to recruiting until he's proven me wrong. He's pulled a few rabbits out of his hat in past years.
Since 2012 he has recruited 1 top 50 player. Jordan. (I count sampson from his original class) That's 3 full recruiting classes plus this year so far. I know you all think Im biased, but a "great" recruiter doesn't sign 1 top 50 player in 4 years.
Desco since lavins first season there has been 1 recruiting year where he didn't get a top 50 player. That's a fact.
And he hasn't made the tourny with them. Only with Previous coaches guys
I think if there's one clear cut great thing that Lavin did for Norm's kids it's that he helped them realize their potential. The guy who recruited them was so lost, he didn't even know what he had. If Norm stays, our starting 5 in 2010/2011 is Boothe, Horne, DJ, Evans and Burrell/Coker. Lavin was the head coach that season. So, he gets the credit for leading the team to the success they had not even sniffed under Roberts. Boothe, Horne, Hardy, Brownlee, Evans and Burrell either showed marked improvement, or unbelievable improvement. The coach has to get credit for that.
So had Lavin not been the coach this year and his replacement made the tourn with Harrison, pointer, pg, Jordan, Obekpa etc, who gets the credit?
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We are probably the only top 20 team that has 50% of the fanbase wanting to see the coach fired.
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We are probably the only top 20 team that has 50% of the fanbase wanting to see the coach fired.
Probably the only top 20 team with close to no one returning
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We are probably the only top 20 team that has 50% of the fanbase wanting to see the coach fired.
Probably the only top 20 team with close to no one returning
Wrong. Kentucky will have no one returning either...
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We are probably the only top 20 team that has 50% of the fanbase wanting to see the coach fired.
Probably the only top 20 team with close to no one returning
How many years in a row have you predicted no one returning?
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We are probably the only top 20 team that has 50% of the fanbase wanting to see the coach fired.
Probably the only top 20 team with close to no one returning
How many years in a row have you predicted no one returning?
Why bother?
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I'll give Lavin the benefit of the doubt when it comes to recruiting until he's proven me wrong. He's pulled a few rabbits out of his hat in past years.
Since 2012 he has recruited 1 top 50 player. Jordan. (I count sampson from his original class) That's 3 full recruiting classes plus this year so far. I know you all think Im biased, but a "great" recruiter doesn't sign 1 top 50 player in 4 years.
Desco since lavins first season there has been 1 recruiting year where he didn't get a top 50 player. That's a fact.
And he hasn't made the tourny with them. Only with Previous coaches guys
When he makes it this year, what will you hate on next? Back to his attire?
No. I'll wait for 3 years in a row missing the tourny. Again
Baldi - serious question here, were you ever a fan of Lavin? If so - what was the turning point?
Yes I was a fan of the hire. Turning point is thought to say. Probably lack of improvement. As I always say, I'm not sure what's worse..not getting talent and losing, or getting the talent and still losing.
But you're a fan of Cluess who has had the best rosters in the MAAC yiyo and still hasn't coached one of them to play better defense?
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We are probably the only top 20 team that has 50% of the fanbase wanting to see the coach fired.
Right. Because to paraphrase Baron Davis, we are the only top 20 team without a coach.
Imagine how good this year's team could be with a real coach.
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We are probably the only top 20 team that has 50% of the fanbase wanting to see the coach fired.
Right. Because to paraphrase Baron Davis, we are the only top 20 team without a coach. Imagine how good this year's team could be with a real coach.
Well, according to you we have horrible coach. I'm not sure you can become a top 20 team without a capable coach. And honestly even other haters like yourself have said Lavin has actually done a decent job thus far this season. Why is it so hard for you to just say that?
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We are probably the only top 20 team that has 50% of the fanbase wanting to see the coach fired.
Right. Because to paraphrase Baron Davis, we are the only top 20 team without a coach.
Imagine how good this year's team could be with a real coach.
Are you this disrespectful and constantly negative in your every day life too? I don't know you, but your never ending venting is sad. You cannot take any joy in this team, even when it is winning. I feel bad for you.
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I'll give Lavin the benefit of the doubt when it comes to recruiting until he's proven me wrong. He's pulled a few rabbits out of his hat in past years.
Since 2012 he has recruited 1 top 50 player. Jordan. (I count sampson from his original class) That's 3 full recruiting classes plus this year so far. I know you all think Im biased, but a "great" recruiter doesn't sign 1 top 50 player in 4 years.
Desco since lavins first season there has been 1 recruiting year where he didn't get a top 50 player. That's a fact.
And he hasn't made the tourny with them. Only with Previous coaches guys
When he makes it this year, what will you hate on next? Back to his attire?
No. I'll wait for 3 years in a row missing the tourny. Again
Baldi - serious question here, were you ever a fan of Lavin? If so - what was the turning point?
Yes I was a fan of the hire. Turning point is thought to say. Probably lack of improvement. As I always say, I'm not sure what's worse..not getting talent and losing, or getting the talent and still losing.
But you're a fan of Cluess who has had the best rosters in the MAAC yiyo and still hasn't coached one of them to play better defense?
I'm a fan of having a good team every year. Not once every 4 years.
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We are probably the only top 20 team that has 50% of the fanbase wanting to see the coach fired.
Probably the only top 20 team with close to no one returning
Wrong. Kentucky will have no one returning either...
Kentucky will reload w MCD AAs including ,but not limited to Briscoe.
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We are probably the only top 20 team that has 50% of the fanbase wanting to see the coach fired.
Right. Because to paraphrase Baron Davis, we are the only top 20 team without a coach. Imagine how good this year's team could be with a real coach.
Are you this disrespectful and constantly negative in your every day life too? I don't know you, but your never ending venting is sad. You cannot take any joy in this team, even when it is winning. I feel bad for you.
?? I enjoy this team all the time. Apparently you only focus on my anti-Lavin posts.
I just posted this morning how much I'm looking forward to tonight's game.
Again, for those of you who still can't grasp the concept: it's very possible to root hard for this team, enjoy the players we've had around for 4 years, and still think we'd be much better off with a different coach.
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We are probably the only top 20 team that has 50% of the fanbase wanting to see the coach fired.
Right. Because to paraphrase Baron Davis, we are the only top 20 team without a coach. Imagine how good this year's team could be with a real coach.
Are you this disrespectful and constantly negative in your every day life too? I don't know you, but your never ending venting is sad. You cannot take any joy in this team, even when it is winning. I feel bad for you.
?? I enjoy this team all the time. Apparently you only focus on my anti-Lavin posts. I just posted this morning how much I'm looking forward to tonight's game. Again, for those of you who still can't grasp the concept: it's very possible to root hard for this team, enjoy the players we've had around for 4 years, and still think we'd be much better off with a different coach.
It's just that usually when you have a team that is in the top 20 for only the second time in the last decade (both under the current coach), you'd show maybe a shred of support instead of continuing to take shots when there is absolutely no reason to. If we were 6-3 or 5-4 I'd be completely with you. But we're not.
Like really? Bringing up a Baron Davis quote from 12 years ago, which he ultimately retracted?
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I agree. There are a lot of things I question about Lavin. I also think it's possible Whitesell is having a bigger impact this year. Nevertheless, other than the deeligibilities, So far ,so good w the team this year. I'm just going to sit back and enjoy.
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We are probably the only top 20 team that has 50% of the fanbase wanting to see the coach fired.
Right. Because to paraphrase Baron Davis, we are the only top 20 team without a coach. Imagine how good this year's team could be with a real coach.
Are you this disrespectful and constantly negative in your every day life too? I don't know you, but your never ending venting is sad. You cannot take any joy in this team, even when it is winning. I feel bad for you.
?? I enjoy this team all the time. Apparently you only focus on my anti-Lavin posts.
I just posted this morning how much I'm looking forward to tonight's game.
Again, for those of you who still can't grasp the concept: it's very possible to root hard for this team, enjoy the players we've had around for 4 years, and still think we'd be much better off with a different coach.
I read your positive, supportive posts too, but part of the "better off with another coach" theme that bothers me is that it will pop up in the "Some Positive Press" thread. My frustration with posters (incl. you, who I consider to be a knowledgeable supporter of the program) is that something like the Baron Davis quote has no place in this thread concerning positive press. That's something UCLA fans will keep harping on until the day they day. But it is part of their history, not ours. Even with Lavs here. For example, I could easily point to the NY Post interview with Baron when he was with the Knicks in 2012 (much later than the other famous quote) where he was asked about Lavs:
"Q: What was the young Steve Lavin like as the UCLA coach?
A: The young Steve Lavin was all over the place (smile). … He was just a fun guy to be around … and you could tell that he was learning the game. … We tried a little bit of everything, and that gave me more freedom out there on the floor. … Our UCLA system was really like a pro system , and he treated us like young professionals. Instead of like a father figure, he was like a big brother.
Q: Do you speak with him often?
A: He’s changed a lot (chuckle). He’s calmer. You can tell he has a lot more perspective, and he has a lot more, I would say confidence, in just his presence and his understanding of what he’s trying to accomplish. And he’s smarter as far as like the staff of people that he picked around him, the basketball minds that’s he’s picked around him. So I think that he’s become an even better leader, and at the time he was a young leader, and we would run through a brick wall for that guy." I'll even bet you've read this article a couple of times (http://nypost.com/2012/03/04/serbys-sunday-q-a-with-baron-davis/)
So I just cited a very positive quote, with Baron Davis putting the young and older Coach Lavin in context.
Do not get me wrong, I too am into the "when is the right time to make a move" game/strategy. It is not an exact science, although some stats can be used to support both sides of the "go/no-go" argument. And I can see both sides of the coin for "go/no-go" thus far.
It's my opinion it shouldn't be on a thread solely about positive press.