6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => Recruiting => 2019 Class => Topic started by: NYCoffey on December 14, 2018, 04:25:08 PM
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https://twitter.com/coreyevans_10/status/1073300111093063681
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wasn't this kid a SHU recruit, then changed to St. Joe's and ended up in JUCO..?
Seems like red flags all around...
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wasn't this kid a SHU recruit, then changed to St. Joe's and ended up in JUCO..?
Seems like red flags all around...
wasn't this kid a SHU recruit, then changed to St. Joe's and ended up in JUCO..?
Seems like red flags all around...
Yes
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If we’ve offered this kid you have to wonder if we will have a transfer or two?
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Yes
Angolan kid who has been in the US for only 3 years. Offered by Cuse, Illinois before picking the Hall and the seemingly bailing later in 2018 for St Joes and then leaving there for JC. I assume that his bouncing around was due to a failure to meet NCAA academic requirements and not something to do with his "handlers", but who knows. Was the youngest member of the 2016 basketball without borders camp (which included our old friend Richard F, DeAndre Ayton, Thon Maker, and the Knicks' current point guard, among others) He's following Matt A on twitter, FWIW.
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Hard pass.
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Academics not yet in order
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Correct. Willard didn't have room on his staff or couldn't get admin sign-off on hiring this kid's Uncle, third cousin or baby sitter growing up, so he left the Hall after much excitement on their board and has bounced around since.
wasn't this kid a SHU recruit, then changed to St. Joe's and ended up in JUCO..?
Seems like red flags all around...
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Correct. Willard didn't have room on his staff or couldn't get admin sign-off on hiring this kid's Uncle, third cousin or baby sitter growing up, so he left the Hall after much excitement on their board and has bounced around since.
The little dig at Willard is pretty funny...
I was definitely in the camp that he sold his soul to get the players he did but in reality, he did what he needed to and it paid off. He made 3 NCAA's, got himself 2 contract extensions and made himself millions of dollars. If the SJU coach did this, people would be calling him a genius.
This is a guy who was all set to leave SHU and take a 7 year contract to coach Holy Cross but got caught up on numbers and deal fell apart. Best miss of his life...
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He did save his job. Having his buddy as the AD will help going forward.
Lavin chose not to do what he did. Likely cost him his job ultimately but thought he could recruit without engaging in that nonsense and we will see if the NCAA, Miller and Adidas stuff gets the Hall in trouble. My recall is that us fans in balance were content with not doing what Willard did so I’m not sure if we’d be calling Lavs a genius if he had.
The little dig at Willard is pretty funny...
I was definitely in the camp that he sold his soul to get the players he did but in reality, he did what he needed to and it paid off. He made 3 NCAA's, got himself 2 contract extensions and made himself millions of dollars. If the SJU coach did this, people would be calling him a genius.
This is a guy who was all set to leave SHU and take a 7 year contract to coach Holy Cross but got caught up on numbers and deal fell apart. Best miss of his life...
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Per Zach B
JUCO forward Valdir Manuel coming to St. John's game Saturday for a visit, I'm told. #sjubb
Hmm
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The little dig at Willard is pretty funny...
I was definitely in the camp that he sold his soul to get the players he did but in reality, he did what he needed to and it paid off. He made 3 NCAA's, got himself 2 contract extensions and made himself millions of dollars. If the SJU coach did this, people would be calling him a genius.
I doubt very much that SJ's fans would be calling anyone who "sold his soul to get the players he did" and having in nine years as HC having made the NCAA tournament three times and won zero NCAA tournament games a genius on the basis that he'd earned himself millions of dollars. It calls to mind Thomas More in A Man For All Seasons, castigating Sir Richard Rich for perjuring himself in exchange for a barony: "Why Richard, it profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world. But for Wales?" Wales fine. But for New Jersey?
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Well done on the John Hurt/ Richard Rich reference!
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I doubt very much that SJ's fans would be calling anyone who "sold his soul to get the players he did" and having in nine years as HC having made the NCAA tournament three times and won zero NCAA tournament games a genius on the basis that he'd earned himself millions of dollars. It calls to mind Thomas More in A Man For All Seasons, castigating Sir Richard Rich for perjuring himself in exchange for a barony: "Why Richard, it profits a man nothing to give his soul for the whole world. But for Wales?" Wales fine. But for New Jersey?
Merry Christmas
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https://www.zagsblog.com/2018/12/29/valdir-manuel-to-st-johns/?fbclid=IwAR2LB4YQPwc88RGuHiA_yW7Rp_q07y5ll0MCpR2ywDCcw4E5h9XDE52pfVA
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https://www.zagsblog.com/2018/12/29/valdir-manuel-to-st-johns/?fbclid=IwAR2LB4YQPwc88RGuHiA_yW7Rp_q07y5ll0MCpR2ywDCcw4E5h9XDE52pfVA
All of a sudden we are big. It's almost like they know what they're doing.
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https://www.zagsblog.com/2018/12/29/valdir-manuel-to-st-johns/?fbclid=IwAR2LB4YQPwc88RGuHiA_yW7Rp_q07y5ll0MCpR2ywDCcw4E5h9XDE52pfVA
The Harcum coach's description of him makes it sound like he's a better, higher ceiling version of Josh Roberts
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Big get literally. Hope he can be a true low post bull.
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The Harcum coach's description of him makes it sound like he's a better, higher ceiling version of Josh Roberts
His coach - 325-85 lifetime - said "He is probably the most unique player I’ve ever coached ... He has tremendous upside potential, perhaps more than any player I’ve ever coached."
Don't recall anyone saying that about Roberts, ever. And Roberts looks to have tremendous upside.
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His coach - 325-85 lifetime - said "He is probably the most unique player I’ve ever coached ... He has tremendous upside potential, perhaps more than any player I’ve ever coached."
Don't recall anyone saying that about Roberts, ever. And Roberts looks to have tremendous upside.
Well as far as him being big, raw, athletic and having upside, sounds a lot like Roberts. Would think Manuel is closer to a finished product with a higher ceiling.
Numbers are adding up to the point where something is going to have to give. Only a few options make sense at this point...
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Well as far as him being big, raw, athletic and having upside, sounds a lot like Roberts. Would think Manuel is closer to a finished product with a higher ceiling.
Numbers are adding up to the point where something is going to have to give. Only a few options make sense at this point...
Maybe it’s Clark Ponds Heron and Earlington. I can’t say I don’t like this signing because I really don’t know anything about him and I’m giving Matt the benifit of the doubt. Just want to go all out on precious who could be the best recruit we’ve had since maybe artest.
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Maybe it’s Clark Ponds Heron and Earlington. I can’t say I don’t like this signing because I really don’t know anything about him and I’m giving Matt the benifit of the doubt. Just want to go all out on precious who could be the best recruit we’ve had since maybe artest.
I believe right now if Ponds and Heron leave as expected then we’re at 13 schollies. But we all know Matt isn’t done yet whether it will be a Precious, a decommit or a transfer or 2. So we’ll see
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Played at St. Pat's. He's a skillful 4 man who can score and also rebound. Should help and has 3 yrs
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Manuel is very skilled. I don't see a good rebounder. I don't see a good athlete at all. He looks like he has some serious knee issues or he's just as stiff as can be.
Roberts is very raw but the kid has NBA physical gifts.
The addition of Manuel doesn't make any sense to me unless the staff knows one of our centers is out the door or won't contribute.
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Played at St. Pat's. He's a skillful 4 man who can score and also rebound. Should help and has 3 yrs
4 man LOLOLOL
Good one Dave. This kid will play center and only center. If he is paying PF, we've lost.
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Manuel is very skilled. I don't see a good rebounder. I don't see a good athlete at all. He looks like he has some serious knee issues or he's just as stiff as can be.
Roberts is very raw but the kid has NBA physical gifts.
The addition of Manuel doesn't make any sense to me unless the staff knows one of our centers is out the door or won't contribute.
So at worst we have a very skilled center?
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The addition of Manuel doesn't make any sense to me unless the staff knows one of our centers is out the door or won't contribute.
There's two players on the roster > 6'7". Next year there'll be three. Seton Hall has four seven footers. Size is good.
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There's two players on the roster > 6'7". Next year there'll be three. Seton Hall has four seven footers. Size is good.
4 actually with Ian Steere also in the mix
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4 actually with Ian Steere also in the mix
I counted Steere, Keita, and Roberts and didn't count the guy Marillac doesn't understand why they'd want him. But yes, now there'd be four. Does not seem excessive to me.
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I counted Steere, Keita, and Roberts and didn't count the guy Marillac doesn't understand why they'd want him. But yes, now there'd be four. Does not seem excessive to me.
Agree, we've been complaining about not having enough size, now complaining that there is going to be too much. Seems to me that more bigs = more lineup flexibility which should be a good thing
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Especially with Keita's injury history so far and Steere might not be eligible until second semester.
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So at worst we have a very skilled center?
At worst we have a kid that doesn't make it to Jamaica or leaves early. His track record is horrendous.
I think he can score with his back to the basket. That much is clear. He doesn't look like he can defend a lick or rebound at an average level. And he's slow as can be.
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There's two players on the roster > 6'7". Next year there'll be three. Seton Hall has four seven footers. Size is good.
Steere is 6'9 260. Roberts is 6'9 210 (and will hopefully be 225 next year). Keita is 6'9 240. This kid makes four kids over 6'9. None of them are highly rated recruits. None of them can play any position but center in college.
It's puzzling given Mullin's affinity to play small positionless basketball and our recent success...that is unless the staff is cold Roberts or Keita or expects one of those two to bolt.
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Steere is 6'9 260. Roberts is 6'9 210 (and will hopefully be 225 next year). Keita is 6'9 240. This kid makes four kids over 6'9. None of them are highly rated recruits. None of them can play any position but center in college.
It's puzzling given Mullin's affinity to play small positionless basketball and our recent success...that is unless the staff is cold Roberts or Keita or expects one of those two to bolt.
Without the talent level of Ponds and Heron, perhaps staff is looking at a more traditional lineup of Dixon, Wright, Simon, Figueroa, and Keita ....... who knows. I do see at least 4 ships open with 2 already filled.
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I think there is a good chance Heron stays another year. I don't have any inside info or anything of that sort, I just think another year here, where he is the focal point of the offense, would greatly benefit his prospective NBA career.
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I think there is a good chance Heron stays another year. I don't have any inside info or anything of that sort, I just think another year here, where he is the focal point of the offense, would greatly benefit his prospective NBA career.
I think next to zero percent chance he stays...not many seniors get drafted and I think he will have shown enough by end of year to get a 2 way contract or go over seas.
I could see Simon getting drafted as a senior if he spends all year improving his jumper.
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Manuel is very skilled. I don't see a good rebounder. I don't see a good athlete at all. He looks like he has some serious knee issues or he's just as stiff as can be.
Roberts is very raw but the kid has NBA physical gifts.
The addition of Manuel doesn't make any sense to me unless the staff knows one of our centers is out the door or won't contribute.
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Have you evaluated his knee injury and capacity for recovery from afar? Lol
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Is this guy gone? Would he recommit?
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Iron Mike says we are still looking for a big, and Vladier still hasn't signed anywhere
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wasn't he a major academic question mark the entire time..?
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MA is smart. He realizes you need multiple big bodies to have any real chance in the BE.
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wasn't he a major academic question mark the entire time..?
true. perhaps he's going back to JUCO