6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: Poison on March 21, 2015, 09:20:30 AM
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I'm going with fired within the week.
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I'm going with fired within the week.
I bet on Monday
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No idea what they will do. But somehow I think they will screw it up, regardless of decision
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No idea what they will do. But somehow I think they will screw it up, regardless of decision
A SJU tradition. :)
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No idea what they will do. But somehow I think they will screw it up, regardless of decision
A SJU tradition. :)
A different President and now (hopefully) common sense.
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Could see him simply resigning for optics. Or a "mutual" parting of ways
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No idea what they will do. But somehow I think they will screw it up, regardless of decision
A SJU tradition. :)
A different President and now (hopefully) common sense.
thata the key. Who really knowa anything about this new president.
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Waiting on what Baldi's sources say, then betting the opposite.
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At this point I can't really understand how anyone could be totally happy with the job he did. But I also can't understand how anyone would be so upset with him to Fire him without realizing what that will do to the program. If he is fired I think no Samson, no Jordan, no Obekpa, no Lovett.
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Waiting on what Baldi's sources say, then betting the opposite.
How original
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Could see him simply resigning for optics. Or a "mutual" parting of ways
Yup
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Thanks.
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Back or not, there is no way i want co back.
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Back or not, there is no way i want co back.
.Definitely do not want Chris back really selfish
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I have no idea what the university will do but I know what I would do. He should be fired immediately. I Never would of thought that this program would have turned into the circus it has under Lavin. He came off as a polished professional who was receiving a second chance to prove himself and was going to do just that. Ever since the 2011 class his recruiting has fallen off a cliff and I don't want to even get into his coaching.
I've had season tickets the past two years because I wanted to believe he could get it done with the talent that remained. Like everything else with the program, it turned out to be a major disappointment. Now, I will never attend another game so long as he is the coach.
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We gave Norm 5 years, and we got a CBI invite. I'm not saying Lavin hasn't been somewhat of a disappointment but he has moved us in the right direction, and five years we have two NCAAs and two NITs (I know we only have the NIT win vs ST Joes) and one year he was out fighting cancer. I think this is a rare case where all options from all sides (fired, walks away, extension) have merit. Either way I'm still rooting like hell for them.
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Probably best move is to keep Lavin....potential for next year is decent if ADR is eligible and he can get a couple of bigs...I am thinking short term...hate to sacrifice the next 2-4 years if we get a new guy....getting too old to be patient. Re CO, pull his scholarship if possible, he has had enough chances.
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Waiting on what Baldi's sources say, then betting the opposite.
"Sources" :2funny:
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Do you trust Lavin in the long term? SJU invested in Lavin and he brought in better players (a herald top three...sort of) and the result was one post season win...In the NIT. Lavin may bring in an even better class and most likely they will leave even sooner then the players from his first five years. Do people on this board have faith that he learned his lesson and won't stop recruiting or at least change his strategy and stop swinging for the fences for every recruit and go for players that have character and are more of a guaranteed to stay three or four years and will not have as many off the court issue.
Even if Lavin is offered a three extension he still has an out after two years because he will need an extension soon after to continue to recruit, or he just leaves and we have to bring in a new coach that is stuck with a roster full of players that are not his.
If a new coach comes in he can recruit his own players right away and rebuild the program in his image. Is it better to suffer in the short term to build a better program in the long term.
I'm not saying fire Lavin, I will say I don't trust him at all. Something has to change in that atheltic department regardless of what happens to Lavin. Either new AD, new coach, change out assistance, new infrastructure, all the above, or some changes.
There is a new President that is already changing SJU (for the better) and some kind of change in the BBall program is a must to advance to the next level of actually winning games, rather then just being invited to them.
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If the school is to fire Lavin though, they'll still have to buyout his final season.
That isn't an insignificant amount of money to pay someone not to coach. It could pay for several professors' salaries, or many scholarships.
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If the school is to fire Lavin though, they'll still have to buyout his final season.
That isn't an insignificant amount of money to pay someone not to coach. It could pay for several professors' salaries, or many scholarships.
This is the catch 22, they have to spend money regardless because they would have to extend him or else he can't recruit and currently there are not enough players to field a team as of right now...Ripping off the bandaid is going to hurt no matter how fast or slow you do it.
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Either he gets an extension or is fired...letting him coach a lame duck season is asinine and is what happened with Rex Ryan with the Jets, they basically wasted an entire season.
Just can him, it's clear he's not the guy to get them to the next level. The next level being consistently receiving at large bids, maybe a win or two in the NCAA tournament. With his players, he's made the tournament once.
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I hope they keep Lavin so all the guys who claim they will never attend another game can put up or shut up. Also, this board is going to be even more fun. Can't wait!
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Who bought out Norms contract?
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If the school is to fire Lavin though, they'll still have to buyout his final season.
That isn't an insignificant amount of money to pay someone not to coach. It could pay for several professors' salaries, or many scholarships.
Plus paying a new coach who almost certainly would have an awful first few seasons Would kind of be shocked if he was fired.
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Amazing how people still want Lavin
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Amazing how people still want Lavin
Amazing!
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Amazing how people still want Lavin
Amazing how you still wanted Norm
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If the school is to fire Lavin though, they'll still have to buyout his final season.
That isn't an insignificant amount of money to pay someone not to coach. It could pay for several professors' salaries, or many scholarships.
Plus paying a new coach who almost certainly would have an awful first few seasons Would kind of be shocked if he was fired.
I don't think there's much of an impact on Jordan or Sampson whether Lavin or somebody like Miller or Hurley is coaching.
If Rysheed is going to go, he'll go regardless.
And Sampson was drawn by the playing time available. So he could easily be convinced to stay.
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Lavin blamed this loss on everyone else, even Amir Garret. Take some responsibility
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Lavin blamed this loss on everyone else, even Amir Garret. Take some responsibility
I'm half with you. He used so many excuses and its dumb. But he was without a 6-10 dumbass and that wasn't his fault.
The Moe, Jakarr, Amir shit is dumb though.
Anyway I just wanna win, so whatever happens happens, I'm with it as long as it's smart.
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Amazing how people still want Lavin
No one said they wanted Lavin. With Lavin I think we could ok next year. With someone else I think we are Rutgers.
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He's the man for the job, he's going to get extended.
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At this point I can't really understand how anyone could be totally happy with the job he did. But I also can't understand how anyone would be so upset with him to Fire him without realizing what that will do to the program. If he is fired I think no Samson, no Jordan, no Obekpa, no Lovett.
You make a valid point, but it's entirely possible, and actually expected that only Sampson will be joining the program. Think about like this: regardless of who comes in, next year is a rebuilding year. But, won't it be a rebuilding year if our starting 5 is Doughty, Sampson, Alibegovic, Balamou and Delarosa?
Seriously I don't think that team is any better than Hill, Jackson, Missere, Hamilton and Gray. It might even be worse.
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Lavin blamed this loss on everyone else, even Amir Garret. Take some responsibility
Garret has a lot of responsibility on his shoulders. He has to pitch inside, and throw strikes. Plus he has to rebound, make free throws and d up.
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I think he will get a few more players to add to that group. Lovett is possible. Add a Juco or 2 and the team isnt that bad.
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Lavin blamed this loss on everyone else, even Amir Garret. Take some responsibility
I'm half with you. He used so many excuses and its dumb. But he was without a 6-10 dumbass and that wasn't his fault.
The Moe, Jakarr, Amir shit is dumb though.
Anyway I just wanna win, so whatever happens happens, I'm with it as long as it's smart.
Dayton has 6 scholarship players. No bigs. They just won 2 tourney games and did well in the A10 tourney.I don't want to hear how they are playing at home. We played at home in the Big East tourney and lost to the same team they just handled easily
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Lavin blamed this loss on everyone else, even Amir Garret. Take some responsibility
I'm half with you. He used so many excuses and its dumb. But he was without a 6-10 dumbass and that wasn't his fault.
The Moe, Jakarr, Amir shit is dumb though.
Anyway I just wanna win, so whatever happens happens, I'm with it as long as it's smart.
Dayton has 6 scholarship players. No bigs. They just won 2 tourney games and did well in the A10 tourney.I don't want to hear how they are playing at home. We played at home in the Big East tourney and lost to the same team they just handled easily
That Dayton/Providence game was a disgrace on so many levels. But again not really disagreeing with you. But Obekpa would have made a difference against SDSU no doubt in my mind.
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Lavin blamed this loss on everyone else, even Amir Garret. Take some responsibility
I'm half with you. He used so many excuses and its dumb. But he was without a 6-10 dumbass and that wasn't his fault.
The Moe, Jakarr, Amir shit is dumb though.
Anyway I just wanna win, so whatever happens happens, I'm with it as long as it's smart.
Dayton has 6 scholarship players. No bigs. They just won 2 tourney games and did well in the A10 tourney.I don't want to hear how they are playing at home. We played at home in the Big East tourney and lost to the same team they just handled easily
That Dayton/Providence game was a disgrace on so many levels. But again not really disagreeing with you. But Obekpa would have made a difference against SDSU no doubt in my mind.
Ya so would have Harkless, Amir and jakarr. Pointer and Harrison were great at the post game interview. No excuse. Lavin did them dirty
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Lavin blamed this loss on everyone else, even Amir Garret. Take some responsibility
I'm half with you. He used so many excuses and its dumb. But he was without a 6-10 dumbass and that wasn't his fault.
The Moe, Jakarr, Amir shit is dumb though.
Anyway I just wanna win, so whatever happens happens, I'm with it as long as it's smart.
Dayton has 6 scholarship players. No bigs. They just won 2 tourney games and did well in the A10 tourney.I don't want to hear how they are playing at home. We played at home in the Big East tourney and lost to the same team they just handled easily
Can't believe I actually had an argument a couple months ago about how Lavin would be better for this program than Archie. We missed the Archie boat now though. Might be the hottest name in the country this year
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Lavin blamed this loss on everyone else, even Amir Garret. Take some responsibility
I'm half with you. He used so many excuses and its dumb. But he was without a 6-10 dumbass and that wasn't his fault.
The Moe, Jakarr, Amir shit is dumb though.
Anyway I just wanna win, so whatever happens happens, I'm with it as long as it's smart.
Dayton has 6 scholarship players. No bigs. They just won 2 tourney games and did well in the A10 tourney.I don't want to hear how they are playing at home. We played at home in the Big East tourney and lost to the same team they just handled easily
We also BEAT that BE team twice during regular season--how quickly you forget
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Lavin blamed this loss on everyone else, even Amir Garret. Take some responsibility
I'm half with you. He used so many excuses and its dumb. But he was without a 6-10 dumbass and that wasn't his fault.
The Moe, Jakarr, Amir shit is dumb though.
Anyway I just wanna win, so whatever happens happens, I'm with it as long as it's smart.
Dayton has 6 scholarship players. No bigs. They just won 2 tourney games and did well in the A10 tourney.I don't want to hear how they are playing at home. We played at home in the Big East tourney and lost to the same team they just handled easily
What does Dayton have anything to do with Lavin? I would be fine with Dayton's coach. I dont think that is an option. Lavin is getting paid next year regardless. Either he is paid to coach or paid to stay home and we have to pay a different coach.
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Lavin blamed this loss on everyone else, even Amir Garret. Take some responsibility
I'm half with you. He used so many excuses and its dumb. But he was without a 6-10 dumbass and that wasn't his fault.
The Moe, Jakarr, Amir shit is dumb though.
Anyway I just wanna win, so whatever happens happens, I'm with it as long as it's smart.
Dayton has 6 scholarship players. No bigs. They just won 2 tourney games and did well in the A10 tourney.I don't want to hear how they are playing at home. We played at home in the Big East tourney and lost to the same team they just handled easily
That Dayton/Providence game was a disgrace on so many levels. But again not really disagreeing with you. But Obekpa would have made a difference against SDSU no doubt in my mind.
Ya so would have Harkless, Amir and jakarr. Pointer and Harrison were great at the post game interview. No excuse. Lavin did them dirty
But I'm saying Harkless, Amir and Jakarr is a shitty excuse to use and it's dumb. There should be no excuses, even though there is one. Agreeing Lavin should man up.
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Whatever the school does they must do next week by Wednesday. If it is an extension, I would do 3 years with an additional one year option of the school so when he recruits he can say he is here for the next 4 years. You could then extend one year at the end of every year if successful. If it is not an extension, they he must be bought out and we go back to square one. I don't want a mid major coach as we see how well that worked for Seton and Rutgers (and even the Friars' coach last night couldn't win last night) A mid major might be able to teach x's and o's but at the higher levels it is also about the recruiting which is a difference maker.
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I like Archie Miller but committee gave them essentially 3 home games
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i think a decision has already been made. i can't see them making a decision with major financial ramifications as a result of last night, in just one or two days. lavin will likely have a meeting maybe as early as tomorrow to confirm his fate.
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For the record, there is no way Miller or Hurley are coming here.
So now what?
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Shaka Smart. Why is he still coaching at VCU? He'd be perfect for St.John's. That's a guy who can bring the program back to where it was. Our full court press was pathetic. Even last night, Branch is pressing in the backcourt and no one else is. Get rid of this pretender. 5 years and zero NCAA tourney wins.
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Shaka is waiting for Roy Williams to retire no?
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Shaka Smart. Why is he still coaching at VCU? He'd be perfect for St.John's. That's a guy who can bring the program back to where it was. Our full court press was pathetic. Even last night, Branch is pressing in the backcourt and no one else is. Get rid of this pretender. 5 years and zero NCAA tourney wins.
he's turned down better jobs. not us.
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Shaka said no to Ucl a a few years ago. He'd laugh at St. John's.
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For the record, there is no way Miller or Hurley are coming here.
So now what?
How do you know that? Archie Miller is so in love with Ohio? Bobby Hurley is happy with lake effect winters? I don't buy that either wouldn't strongly consider St.John's.
The only thing that might have stood in the way of Hurley coming is Father Harrington, because of what he did to senior's former player Elijah Ingram. And for that, I'd agree with him. You don't go anywhere near that SOB.
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Yeah, NYC winters are awesome.
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Shaka said no to Ucl a a few years ago. He'd laugh at St. John's.
UCLA is completely unreasonable situation. All we want is a consistant winner. It isn't just the school. A coach has to think about where he wants to make a life for his family, and New York is a sell that cannot be matched.
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People are leaving NY in droves. This isn't the 80s and 90s.
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For the record, there is no way Miller or Hurley are coming here.
So now what?
if i'm them, i'm waiting for the Duke & CUSE jobs to open up. keep winning at their respective schools and will be prime to take over those programs in a few years.
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Yeah, NYC winters are awesome.
Millions of people pay quite a bit of money to live here. I might be a little harsh on the lesser, shittier places to live, (like anywhere in Ohio) but real estate doesn't lie.
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People are leaving NY in droves. This isn't the 80s and 90s.
that's misleading boo. Nyc and the metro area are growing. Upstate is losing population fast.
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This is my very first post of the season, and I post a lot, that attempts to evaluate the overall performance and job status of coach Lavin. I'm proud of that.
Hollywood ended a 7 year Ncaa tournament drought when he won with Norm seniors. The knocks since have been that he only could win here with talent recruited by someone else and that Mike Dunlap was the brains of the operation and the true catalyst for that tournament run. His second Ncaa run in 5 years disproves both.
2 Ncaa, 2 Nit births, 3 twenty win seasons and one prostate cancer missed season is a heck of an improvement on recent Johnny history. This is a truly objective measure while recruiting success and failure will always be judged subjectively.
He is a well known sports personality and a highly sought interview candidate recognized on a national stage. Granted he hasn't turned Sju into a basketball powerhouse but he does bring valued publicity to the program and has at least brought us back from obscurity to relevance. He recruits Nba level players including back to back Be rookie of the years.
His reign being less than ideal is well documented on this board and is the truth. Razor thin rosters, suspensions, transfers, early Nba entry, discipline problems, wardrobe issues, annoying coach speak, 0 Be tournament wins , Ncaa and Nit failure, odd starting lineups, untimely timeouts, etc. etc. etc.
Tallying it all up, the improvement in the numbers can not be ignored. Hollywood's CONTRACT SHOULD BE EXTENDED.
He may not be perfect...but his replacement could be less perfect.
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This idea that NYC is the end all, be all, just isn't the case.
We'll see how many hot coaching candidates can't withstand the allure of NY.
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i think this is a very thoughtful post. i agree with it and its conclusion. i do not believe a five year extension is merited at this point. I favor a 3 year rolling extension with a relatively small buyout. Let's see if coach Lavin can build on the progress already made, but on a tighter leash. He should get to choose his assistants.
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People are leaving NY in droves. This isn't the 80s and 90s.
that's misleading boo. Nyc and the metro area are growing. Upstate is losing population fast.
Specifically NYC metro area is only growing do to immigrant population: Chinese, Mexican, South American. Interstate moving isn't happening. I think FLorida has surpassed us in population.
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Shaka said no to Ucl a a few years ago. He'd laugh at St. John's.
UCLA is completely unreasonable situation. All we want is a consistant winner. It isn't just the school. A coach has to think about where he wants to make a life for his family, and New York is a sell that cannot be matched.
from what i have heard every coach outside of NYC is lining up for this job, because of all NY has to offer for lifestyle and family. reliable sources tell me that administration is choosing between Calipari and coach K, they are both willing to take huge discounts from what they are currently making and if SJU doesn't come through they are all over the Fordham opening.
once a simpleton always a simpleton...
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Lavin blamed this loss on everyone else, even Amir Garret. Take some responsibility
I'm half with you. He used so many excuses and its dumb. But he was without a 6-10 dumbass and that wasn't his fault.
The Moe, Jakarr, Amir shit is dumb though.
Anyway I just wanna win, so whatever happens happens, I'm with it as long as it's smart.
Dayton has 6 scholarship players. No bigs. They just won 2 tourney games and did well in the A10 tourney.I don't want to hear how they are playing at home. We played at home in the Big East tourney and lost to the same team they just handled easily
That Dayton/Providence game was a disgrace on so many levels. But again not really disagreeing with you. But Obekpa would have made a difference against SDSU no doubt in my mind.
Ya so would have Harkless, Amir and jakarr. Pointer and Harrison were great at the post game interview. No excuse. Lavin did them dirty
But I'm saying Harkless, Amir and Jakarr is a shitty excuse to use and it's dumb. There should be no excuses, even though there is one. Agreeing Lavin should man up.
I didn't mean that as directed at you. Just in general
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I'm not advocating for Lavin, but I am far from convinced that making a change right now will improve anything. In fact, I think they would go a Norm type route again... Which would be destruction of program.
Pie in the sky candidates are great message board chatter, but reality is, very low chance it happens. Then what?
Facts are facts - we are more relevant now that we've been for 15 years. Start over now? Not sure I think that is right move.
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If the decision is to keep Lavin, there needs to be a new AD to reign him in. Lavin defiantly can be a great assets with his personality, but leaving him to his own devices would be a mistake.
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I'm not advocating for Lavin, but I am far from convinced that making a change right now will improve anything. In fact, I think they would go a Norm type route again... Which would be destruction of program.
Pie in the sky candidates are great message board chatter, but reality is, very low chance it happens. Then what?
Facts are facts - we are more relevant now that we've been for 15 years. Start over now? Not sure I think that is right move.
Think we will be relevant next year? Year 6
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I'm not advocating for Lavin, but I am far from convinced that making a change right now will improve anything. In fact, I think they would go a Norm type route again... Which would be destruction of program.
Pie in the sky candidates are great message board chatter, but reality is, very low chance it happens. Then what?
Facts are facts - we are more relevant now that we've been for 15 years. Start over now? Not sure I think that is right move.
Think we will be relevant next year? Year 6
if the choice is back to Norm years or where we are today, is there really a question on which fans would rather have?
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I'm not advocating for Lavin, but I am far from convinced that making a change right now will improve anything. In fact, I think they would go a Norm type route again... Which would be destruction of program.
Pie in the sky candidates are great message board chatter, but reality is, very low chance it happens. Then what?
Facts are facts - we are more relevant now that we've been for 15 years. Start over now? Not sure I think that is right move.
Yes, but how relevant are we really? Still haven't made the semis of the BET and have not won an NCAA tournament game. We weren't relevant last year when we were getting blown by Robert Morris in the NIT and the majority of chatter about St. John's from people outside the program on selection sunday this year was because of the Obekpa suspension and not because we could make noise in the tournament. Just because the program is slightly more relevant now than when Norm was here doesn't mean the program is where it could and should be
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I'm not advocating for Lavin, but I am far from convinced that making a change right now will improve anything. In fact, I think they would go a Norm type route again... Which would be destruction of program.
Pie in the sky candidates are great message board chatter, but reality is, very low chance it happens. Then what?
Facts are facts - we are more relevant now that we've been for 15 years. Start over now? Not sure I think that is right move.
Think we will be relevant next year? Year 6
if the choice is back to Norm years or where we are today, is there really a question on which fans would rather have?
Because the next coach is guaranteed to be as bad as Norm was. Sure, its possible, it's also equally possible our next coach is the next Shaka Smart
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If Kentucky loses in the NCAA tournament, I wonder if Calipari will blame the loss on Anthony Davis having left for the NBA. (He'd be a senior right now).
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If you wan to blame Lavin for not coaching well that is fine and reasonable. He did not blame yesterdays game on any former players.
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Lavin, of course, went the other way. He wouldn’t pin the loss on Obekpa, because there were so many other culprits he could blame. Rysheed Jordan sat for 18 first-half minutes, for starters. That didn’t help. Sir’Dominic Pointer was heroic early, keeping the Aztecs from blowing the game open in the first half, but he went down in a heap and banged up his hip. That didn’t help, either.
But Lavin — not for the first time — wouldn’t stop there, passive-aggressively referencing for the hundredth time the fact this class started with Mo Harkless (now with the Magic), JaKarr Sampson (now with the 76ers) and Amir Garrett (now playing baseball in the Reds organization).
What’s the point? Sure, the Johnnies might have had a different result for these last four years if all of them had spent every moment here. But they didn’t. You know what? If you could transport 1985 Walter Berry through the time-space continuum and onto this roster, that would be a big boost for the home team too. It’s just as relevant.
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If you wan to blame Lavin for not coaching well that is fine and reasonable. He did not blame yesterdays game on any former players.
He blamed it on Jordan's fouls and Dom's hip pointer
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I read the article also. His personality rubs people the wrong way, myself included at times. Hammer to rock, play like a ninja, crouching tiger all seem kind of stupid. As mad and upset as we were last night, i am hoping that he was even more upset. His players love and respect him. None of us know him. He has plenty of faults as a coach. But he seems like a good guy. I did not hear his entire interview. I am sure he sad some annoying things. But I do not believe he blamed Harkless for last nights loss.
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Pretty sure all of that could be said about Norm too.
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Pretty sure all of that could be said about Norm too.
except norms press conference was after the CBI tournament
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He's not the greatest game coach. But when you look at the big picture, I personally think you are crazy to fire him unless you have a proven winning coach to take his place.
Three 20 win seasons out of 5 and 2 NCAA appearances. If you were told those would be the numbers 5 years ago, you'd be smiling We have short memories about just how bad things were before Lavin.
If Jordan and Obekpa are gone, and Lavin doesn't secure more top 100 players, then I might go into the fire Lavin camp. But until then, I'm still supporting him. I think he's a good face for SJU basketball.
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Shaka said no to Ucl a a few years ago. He'd laugh at St. John's.
UCLA is completely unreasonable situation. All we want is a consistant winner. It isn't just the school. A coach has to think about where he wants to make a life for his family, and New York is a sell that cannot be matched.
from what i have heard every coach outside of NYC is lining up for this job, because of all NY has to offer for lifestyle and family. reliable sources tell me that administration is choosing between Calipari and coach K, they are both willing to take huge discounts from what they are currently making and if SJU doesn't come through they are all over the Fordham opening.
once a simpleton always a simpleton...
Humor?
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He's not the greatest game coach. But when you look at the big picture, I personally think you are crazy to fire him unless you have a proven winning coach to take his place.
Three 20 win seasons out of 5 and 2 NCAA appearances. If you were told those would be the numbers 5 years ago, you'd be smiling We have short memories about just how bad things were before Lavin.
If Jordan and Obekpa are gone, and Lavin doesn't secure more top 100 players, then I might go into the fire Lavin camp. But until then, I'm still supporting him. I think he's a good face for SJU basketball.
If Jordan and Obekpa are gone, and Lavin doesn't secure more top 100 players, it will be too late to fire him. His hands are tied with recruiting because he looks like a sitting duck. Either he gets a legitimate contract extension right away, or move on. But they have to decide fast.
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I voted for the 4yr extension. 2 NCAAs and 2 NITs. Who was the last coach to pull that off? I think they named the court and the building that holds it after him.
Lavin has brought more brand to St Johns. Chicago is the second largest city, and who cares about DePaul? Fox Sports loved us this year, a lot of national exposure.
Another factor, from the University point of view, will be revenue. Are applications up or down? I know they don't have trouble filling dorm space. Lavin is a brand, he loves the media and the media love him. Norm, Jarvis, Fran, Mahoney; none of them had Lavin's relationship with the national media.
I say give him another four.
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Touch decision. School must commit for 3 or 4 years on a guess he has more then 2 guards on the way. If he was worth the extension should he already have next year's recruits in the bank. Based on the players he has brought in the last couple of seasons the answer must be no. If the adm. Knows stuff we don't, well, it's their money.
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I voted for the 4yr extension. 2 NCAAs and 2 NITs. Who was the last coach to pull that off? I think they named the court and the building that holds it after him.
Jarvisecca Arena.
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I hope Lavin brings in some bigs. The way we faltered down the stretch to bigger teams can't be repeated.
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I think it's 70/30 in favor of him staying.
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We're in great hands, coach is staying, everyone needs to chill.
http://zagsblog.com/articles/steve-lavin-expects-to-be-extended-at-st-johns-says-theres-pretty-good-chance-obekpa-jordan-return-craig-randall-to-visit-st-johns/
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I voted for the 4yr extension. 2 NCAAs and 2 NITs. Who was the last coach to pull that off? I think they named the court and the building that holds it after him.
Lavin has brought more brand to St Johns. Chicago is the second largest city, and who cares about DePaul? Fox Sports loved us this year, a lot of national exposure.
Another factor, from the University point of view, will be revenue. Are applications up or down? I know they don't have trouble filling dorm space. Lavin is a brand, he loves the media and the media love him. Norm, Jarvis, Fran, Mahoney; none of them had Lavin's relationship with the national media.
I say give him another four.
Mike Jarvis. You are talking about Mike Jarvis. He made the elite eight in his first year after the school graduated two NBA draft picks.
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Seems like hes changing his mind every minute. Obekpa has had too many chances. He should be kicked out. You cant screw your teamates the way he did.
We're in great hands, coach is staying, everyone needs to chill.
http://zagsblog.com/articles/steve-lavin-expects-to-be-extended-at-st-johns-says-theres-pretty-good-chance-obekpa-jordan-return-craig-randall-to-visit-st-johns/
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if money is part of the problem, i suggest they cut keady off. with all due respect, i honestly don't see his value.
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if money is part of the problem, i suggest they cut keady off. with all due respect, i honestly don't see his value.
He gives great pre game speeches. Seriously, how can anyone speak to his value without knowing what he's doing?
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We're in great hands, coach is staying, everyone needs to chill.
http://zagsblog.com/articles/steve-lavin-expects-to-be-extended-at-st-johns-says-theres-pretty-good-chance-obekpa-jordan-return-craig-randall-to-visit-st-johns/
:up:
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Bobby Hurley is going to win 30 games next season at Buffalo. It will be too late. Look at their roster for next season...insane. They'd be top 5 in the Big East. They return everyone but two players who averaged just over a combined 10 ppg.
They bring in the best recruiting class in school history, including a former top 75 recruit, Torian Graham, and a 6'5 juco wing that averaged 15 ppg at Midland.
They have two outstanding young PGs, 6'1 Shannon Evans from Hargrave Prep, that averaged 15.4 and 4.6, and outstanding freshman, Lamonte Bearden, who averaged 8.3 and 4.4 (2:1 assist to turnover) and was a beast driving against WV.
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Bobby Hurley is going to win 30 games next season at Buffalo. It will be too late. Look at their roster for next season...insane. They'd be top 5 in the Big East. They return everyone but two players who averaged just over a combined 10 ppg.
They bring in the best recruiting class in school history, including a former top 75 recruit, Torian Graham, and a 6'5 juco wing that averaged 15 ppg at Midland.
They have two outstanding young PGs, 6'1 Shannon Evans from Hargrave Prep, that averaged 15.4 and 4.6, and outstanding freshman, Lamonte Bearden, who averaged 8.3 and 4.4 (2:1 assist to turnover) and was a beast driving against WV.
Even though Father Harry was a clown Bobby Hurley would be a Homerun hire.
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We're in great hands, coach is staying, everyone needs to chill.
http://zagsblog.com/articles/steve-lavin-expects-to-be-extended-at-st-johns-says-theres-pretty-good-chance-obekpa-jordan-return-craig-randall-to-visit-st-johns/
Lavin said he was in extension talks last year
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" I owe this guy my life" He should get an extension just for that.
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Bobby Hurley is going to win 30 games next season at Buffalo. It will be too late. Look at their roster for next season...insane. They'd be top 5 in the Big East. They return everyone but two players who averaged just over a combined 10 ppg.
They bring in the best recruiting class in school history, including a former top 75 recruit, Torian Graham, and a 6'5 juco wing that averaged 15 ppg at Midland.
They have two outstanding young PGs, 6'1 Shannon Evans from Hargrave Prep, that averaged 15.4 and 4.6, and outstanding freshman, Lamonte Bearden, who averaged 8.3 and 4.4 (2:1 assist to turnover) and was a beast driving against WV.
Why would he want to leave now? The scenario above would only enhance his value rather running off this year.
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Lavin said he was in extension talks last year
And you said he was gone ... "done deal". So what's your point? It's possible to be in negotiations and decide to put them off.
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Lavin said he was in extension talks last year
And you said he was gone ... "done deal". So what's your point? It's possible to be in negotiations and decide to put them off.
Who cares what I say, besides my fans here and on redmen. . Funny how Lavin said yesterday he wouldn't be surprised if Obekpa was gone. And today he says he thinks both he and Jordan should be back, right before he says he is getting extension
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Bobby Hurley is going to win 30 games next season at Buffalo. It will be too late. Look at their roster for next season...insane. They'd be top 5 in the Big East. They return everyone but two players who averaged just over a combined 10 ppg.
They bring in the best recruiting class in school history, including a former top 75 recruit, Torian Graham, and a 6'5 juco wing that averaged 15 ppg at Midland.
They have two outstanding young PGs, 6'1 Shannon Evans from Hargrave Prep, that averaged 15.4 and 4.6, and outstanding freshman, Lamonte Bearden, who averaged 8.3 and 4.4 (2:1 assist to turnover) and was a beast driving against WV.
Why would he want to leave now? The scenario above would only enhance his value rather running off this year.
Whether he'd come is a different question entirely. I only laid out why I would go after him now. If we wait even one more season, he'd be priced out of our market. One thing is for sure, Bobby Hurley's future is very bright. Why wait for Bobby to improve the 14-win team he inherited from 19 wins to 23 wins to 30+ wins? Go after him now.
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We're in great hands, coach is staying, everyone needs to chill.
http://zagsblog.com/articles/steve-lavin-expects-to-be-extended-at-st-johns-says-theres-pretty-good-chance-obekpa-jordan-return-craig-randall-to-visit-st-johns/
Randall's father says he would be a good fit NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS. What could he mean other than even if Lavin is not here?
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We're in great hands, coach is staying, everyone needs to chill.
http://zagsblog.com/articles/steve-lavin-expects-to-be-extended-at-st-johns-says-theres-pretty-good-chance-obekpa-jordan-return-craig-randall-to-visit-st-johns/
Randall's father says he would be a good fit NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS. What could he mean other than even if Lavin is not here?
Rysheed Jordan.
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Other recruits
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Another SG?
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Good answers guys! Guess my mind goes immediately to replacing Lavin. :)
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If you are not going to replace him with a definite upgrade like Miller, then just keep him. Too bad Norm didn't make the tourney 2 out of every 5 years, they would have renamed the arena after him.
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People were asking for Lou to be fired. I really think it comes down to what you're used to. I'm not a fan of this blue collar don't rock the boat attitude. Two first round exits shouldn't be the culmination of Lavin's work. It shouldn't be acceptable to the University, and it shouldn't be acceptable to him-but it is.
Lavin keeps talking about how proud he is of them. He's not their parents. It just comes across like more deflecting on his part. He should he saying that he's proud of them for handling HIS terrible recruiting effort for this year, and last year.
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Bobby Hurley is going to win 30 games next season at Buffalo.
Ahhhh....no he's not. The best Suny team, Albany, had a 15 and 1 conference record and didn't come near 30. Temper down the exaggeration.
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Bobby Hurley is going to win 30 games next season at Buffalo.
Ahhhh....no he's not. The best Suny team, Albany, had a 15 and 1 conference record and didn't come near 30. Temper down the exaggeration.
Why do you think Albany's conference v. overall record has any connection to Buffalo's? Albany plays in one of the worst conferences in all of college basketball. That is why they can go 15-1 in conference and just 9-8 out of it while losing by 18 to a lousy 8-22 MAAC team like Niagara (who Buffalo beat by 26) and by ten to a NEC team like St. Francis PA.
Conversely, Buffalo went just 12-6 in a much tougher conference but finished with just one less win overall (and had a likely win cancelled due to weather) with a schedule that included games @ #1 Kentucky, @ # 6 Wisconsin, @ 18-win St. Bonaventure, and even @ NEC champ Robert Morris (15 point win). Only two teams (Stony Brook being the other) had winning out of conference records from the AEC, while NINE had winning out of conference records from the MAAC.
It's why a team like Eastern Michigan can go 8-10 in the MAAC but finish with 21 wins or a team like Akron can go 9-9 in the MAAC and finish with 21 wins.
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Suny Buffalo winning 30 basketball games. WOW!
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This team will have about 7 SG's next year at this rate. Time to recruit some players above 6'9. I almost forgot, Lavin's system can never have enough 6'4 SG's and wings . From all the winning his teams are doing, it's obvious this plan is working...NOT! Seriously, this recruiting strategy is bizarre. Get some friggin bigs!
Of course Lavin should be gone. You don't just keep a coach out of fear that you can't find a better name. You base the coach's future on what his resume shows he's done. His track record at St. John's is decent. Unless you're an SJU fan who actually thinks this team is capable of finding a coach who can make them top 25 in most years. Under Lavin, this team and program sniffs the top 25 for a few weeks every 4 seasons.
Good enough? Depends on what your expectations for this program are.
A lot of young coaches like Andy Toole and big names like Hurley would definitely be interested in SJU. The question is would SJU be interested in them?
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The real question is a new president going to rock the boat in his first decision about the basketball program. With Louie whispering in his ear. I think not.
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The real question is a new president going to rock the boat in his first decision about the basketball program. With Louie whispering in his ear. I think not.
Wasn't Louie the one who advised against hiring Calipari? How'd that workout?
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Andy Toole may be a better coach. His practices may be better, his subs at games may be better, his in game coaching may be better. If he called Brandon Samspon, would Brandon even answer the phone? Plenty of crazy moments over the last 5 years. Plenty of disappointment. Sadly more excitement in a long time. If you take out Lavin's second year, which is reasonable. He had cancer and they were all freshman. HIs record the other 4 years which were so awful are not much different then- Georgetown, Xavier, Providence, Notre Dame or even Florida with Billy Donavan. Sometimes they had better records, sometimes we did.
A young coach moving up mulitlple levels with no players. How could that be a good idea?
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Agree 100% Tony
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The real question is a new president going to rock the boat in his first decision about the basketball program(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png). With Louie whispering in his ear. I think not.
What is Louie whispering this time?
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Bobby Hurley is going to win 30 games next season at Buffalo.
Ahhhh....no he's not. The best Suny team, Albany, had a 15 and 1 conference record and didn't come near 30. Temper down the exaggeration.
Why do you think Albany's conference v. overall record has any connection to Buffalo's? Albany plays in one of the worst conferences in all of college basketball. That is why they can go 15-1 in conference and just 9-8 out of it while losing by 18 to a lousy 8-22 MAAC team like Niagara (who Buffalo beat by 26) and by ten to a NEC team like St. Francis PA.
Conversely, Buffalo went just 12-6 in a much tougher conference but finished with just one less win overall (and had a likely win cancelled due to weather) with a schedule that included games @ #1 Kentucky, @ # 6 Wisconsin, @ 18-win St. Bonaventure, and even @ NEC champ Robert Morris (15 point win). Only two teams (Stony Brook being the other) had winning out of conference records from the AEC, while NINE had winning out of conference records from the MAAC.
It's why a team like Eastern Michigan can go 8-10 in the MAAC but finish with 21 wins or a team like Akron can go 9-9 in the MAAC and finish with 21 wins.
I don't have a problem with you saying Suny Buffalo is a good team that is going to be very good next year. In fact, I was darned impressed by your intimate knowledge of their recruiting.
I'm just calling you out on your 30 win bullsh*t. They went 12 and 6 in conference and had 23 wins total. Even if they take a quantum leap to 16 and 2 next season, that puts them at about 27 wins.
Albany has won 3 conference tournaments in a row and danced 3 times running. That's not a successful program...that's a dynasty! When they get there they play competitively with teams you might have heard of like Uconn, Duke and Florida. Granted the bottom of the America East with Maine, Binghamton and UMBC is putrid. But the Danes, Vermont and Stony brook are good every year and one other team is always decent. Typically it's Hartford but this year New Hampshire.
Mid-American is a one bid league same as AEast. They have no business looking down there noses even though they have so many household name basketball powers like Akron, Toledo, Ball State and Bowling Greene.
Albany hung tough and lost by 9 to a 4 seed. The Bulls hung tough and lost by 5 to a 5 seed. It's a tie.
The Danes are going to be great again next season. Losing Sam Rowley will hurt, but an experienced 6' 11" 270 lb center like Richard Peters in the Aeast will do damage and brother Mike Rowley will be better as well. The backcourt of Hooley, Singletary and Sanders will be down right nasty.
Suny Buffalo and their Puke scum coach have a lot of work to do before they can compete to be "New York's Team", as Suny Albany is!
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Bobby Hurley is going to win 30 games next season at Buffalo.
Ahhhh....no he's not. The best Suny team, Albany, had a 15 and 1 conference record and didn't come near 30. Temper down the exaggeration.
Why do you think Albany's conference v. overall record has any connection to Buffalo's? Albany plays in one of the worst conferences in all of college basketball. That is why they can go 15-1 in conference and just 9-8 out of it while losing by 18 to a lousy 8-22 MAAC team like Niagara (who Buffalo beat by 26) and by ten to a NEC team like St. Francis PA.
Conversely, Buffalo went just 12-6 in a much tougher conference but finished with just one less win overall (and had a likely win cancelled due to weather) with a schedule that included games @ #1 Kentucky, @ # 6 Wisconsin, @ 18-win St. Bonaventure, and even @ NEC champ Robert Morris (15 point win). Only two teams (Stony Brook being the other) had winning out of conference records from the AEC, while NINE had winning out of conference records from the MAAC.
It's why a team like Eastern Michigan can go 8-10 in the MAAC but finish with 21 wins or a team like Akron can go 9-9 in the MAAC and finish with 21 wins.
I don't have a problem with you saying Suny Buffalo is a good team that is going to be very good next year. In fact, I was darned impressed by your intimate knowledge of their recruiting.
I'm just calling you out on your 30 win bullsh*t. They went 12 and 6 in conference and had 23 wins total. Even if they take a quantum leap to 16 and 2 next season, that puts them at about 27 wins.
Albany has won 3 conference tournaments in a row and danced 3 times running. That's not a successful program...that's a dynasty! When they get there they play competitively with teams you might have heard of like Uconn, Duke and Florida. Granted the bottom of the America East with Maine, Binghamton and UMBC is putrid. But the Danes, Vermont and Stony brook are good every year and one other team is always decent. Typically it's Hartford but this year New Hampshire.
Mid-American is a one bid league same as AEast. They have no business looking down there noses even though they have so many household name basketball powers like Akron, Toledo, Ball State and Bowling Greene.
Albany hung tough and lost by 9 to a 4 seed. The Bulls hung tough and lost by 5 to a 5 seed. It's a tie.
The Danes are going to be great again next season. Losing Sam Rowley will hurt, but an experienced 6' 11" 270 lb center like Richard Peters in the Aeast will do damage and brother Mike Rowley will be better as well. The backcourt of Hooley, Singletary and Sanders will be down right nasty.
Suny Buffalo and their Puke scum coach have a lot of work to do before they can compete to be "New York's Team", as Suny Albany is!
If Buffalo improves from 12-6 to 15-3 in conference, plays the cancelled game against Montana State., and picks up three more wins out of conference, that is 30 wins right there...plus the tournament. If Hurley remains, I'd be shocked if that squad didn't win a game or two in the tourney next year. If they fall short, it won't be by much. That is why I don't want to wait around for Hurley to "prove himself" any further. Somebody will offer him either this year or next. Next year will be too late for us. Bobby has had 20 years to wash off that "Duke scum."
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honestly i think we just miss on guys, why do christian jones and felix blamou have scholarships? when i see guys like scoochie smith, Cleanthony early (last year), hassan martin, isaiah cousins etc. the list goes on who are in other places and have openly said they would have loved to play in NYC ( Cleanthony said it in first knicks interview about finally being able to play at home). We miss on a lot of guys. coaching at SJU should be awesome with the whole tristate and near inner cities to recruit from.
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Of course there will be the kid that wants to stay home like Moe, but can't blame most of these kids wanting to get away from some of the places they grew up. Look at Sheed.
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honestly i think we just miss on guys, why do christian jones and felix blamou have scholarships? when i see guys like scoochie smith, Cleanthony early (last year), hassan martin, isaiah cousins etc. the list goes on who are in other places and have openly said they would have loved to play in NYC ( Cleanthony said it in first knicks interview about finally being able to play at home). We miss on a lot of guys. coaching at SJU should be awesome with the whole tristate and near inner cities to recruit from.
Staff doesn't evaluate talent very well. They picked a lot of overrated stars, and not one of their sleepers looks like a Big East player let alone a D1 player. Get out and work. Or don't because you're going to be fired.
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The real question is a new president going to rock the boat in his first decision about the basketball program. With Louie whispering in his ear. I think not.
You're misinterpreting my comment. A new president is not likely to fire a coach who at worst has improved the program and got it going in the right direction. And if he should consult Louie, what do you think Louie would recommend.
Wasn't Louie the one who advised against hiring Calipari? How'd that workout?
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The real question is a new president going to rock the boat in his first decision about the basketball program(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png). With Louie whispering in his ear. I think not.
What is Louie whispering this time?
Keep Lavin. He's got the program going in the right direction ( that's Louie, not me )
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The real question is a new president going to rock the boat in his first decision about the basketball program. With Louie whispering in his ear. I think not.
You're misinterpreting my comment. A new president is not likely to fire a coach who at worst has improved the program and got it going in the right direction. And if he should consult Louie, what do you think Louie would recommend.
Wasn't Louie the one who advised against hiring Calipari? How'd that workout?
Was Calipari befor of after Memphis...Still can't blame the school for that pass even now. Probably nothing fishy is going on in Kentucky (except for the one and done program, which is impressive), but SJU doesn't have the resources Kentucky has. what would Calipari have to do at SJUbto get them rolling?
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For the record, there is no way Miller or Hurley are coming here.
So now what?
How do you know that? Archie Miller is so in love with Ohio? Bobby Hurley is happy with lake effect winters? I don't buy that either wouldn't strongly consider St.John's.
The only thing that might have stood in the way of Hurley coming is Father Harrington, because of what he did to senior's former player Elijah Ingram. And for that, I'd agree with him. You don't go anywhere near that SOB.
The Millers are from Pa, right? Location is in his wheelhouse. He'll have to see eye to eye with Prez and AD, and have a 6 year, 15MIL deal to even consider here. He's more likely to sit tight, have another good year next year, and go to Indiana or some other big school program.
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For the record, there is no way Miller or Hurley are coming here.
So now what?
How do you know that? Archie Miller is so in love with Ohio? Bobby Hurley is happy with lake effect winters? I don't buy that either wouldn't strongly consider St.John's.
The only thing that might have stood in the way of Hurley coming is Father Harrington, because of what he did to senior's former player Elijah Ingram. And for that, I'd agree with him. You don't go anywhere near that SOB.
The Millers are from Pa, right? Location is in his wheelhouse. He'll have to see eye to eye with Prez and AD, and have a 6 year, 15MIL deal to even consider here. He's more likely to sit tight, have another good year next year, and go to Indiana or some other big school program.
Indiana is no walk in the park either. Tom Crean has had some very good teams. Miller would be taking on a lot going there. Like UCLA, you better win, and you better win every year.
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I recently read a great book about Hurley Sr. and St. Anthony's. The book discusses the rumor that circulated when Jarvis was canned about Hurley Sr. taking the St. John's gig. Senior chose not to pursue the opening - I have no idea if he was a real candidate - because of his devotion to St. Anthony's (which is why he has turned down countless other coaching opportunities at the college and pro ranks). What is interesting is that in the book, both Hurley boys are quoted as pushing Senior to take the St. John's gig (they basically say you take this, and we will help you get players). They describe the opportunity as perfect for him because of its proximity to Jersey City and the general makeup of the school (smaller, Catholic, rich in basketball tradition, games at MSG, great conference recruiting ties to the area, etc). Danny Hurley is cited as being especially supportive, and comes off as being one who views the St. John's job in a favorable manner. Now we know that Hurley Sr. isn't taking the job, but based on the book, I do think the Hurley family in general, and Danny/Bobby, view the situation as an attractive one.
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I recently read a great book about Hurley Sr. and St. Anthony's. The book discusses the rumor that circulated when Jarvis was canned about Hurley Sr. taking the St. John's gig. Senior chose not to pursue the opening - I have no idea if he was a real candidate - because of his devotion to St. Anthony's (which is why he has turned down countless other coaching opportunities at the college and pro ranks). What is interesting is that in the book, both Hurley boys are quoted as pushing Senior to take the St. John's gig (they basically say you take this, and we will help you get players). They describe the opportunity as perfect for him because of its proximity to Jersey City and the general makeup of the school (smaller, Catholic, rich in basketball tradition, games at MSG, great conference recruiting ties to the area, etc). Danny Hurley is cited as being especially supportive, and comes off as being one who views the St. John's job in a favorable manner. Now we know that Hurley Sr. isn't taking the job, but based on the book, I do think the Hurley family in general, and Danny/Bobby, view the situation as an attractive one.
This was before Harrington expelled his former McDonald's AA point guard. If I remember correctly, he was pretty angry with St.John's for doing that. This is yet another reason why the new president is so important to the program,
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I read the book also. I really enjoyed it. The father is a great HS coach. The older brother was a great PG at DUKE. The younger brother was an ok player at seton hall, a very good prep school coach, and has improved Rhode Island. None of the 3 are slam dunk big east coaches. As much I liked the book. Stories don't win games in the big east.
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What was the name of the book?
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It's called The Miracle of St. Anthony. It's been out for a long time now. I got it for my Dad about 6-7 years ago. Great read.
Hurley Sr. will never send another St. Ant's player here after Roshown McLeod and Ingram. Talk about burning a bridge. The most famous HS hoops coach in America and the Johnnies are on his shit list when it comes to recruiting his players. Never gonna change. The Johnnies sure could've used a Markus McDuffie in this recruiting cycle. Because they surely don't have enough 6'4 guards and wings. Sad.
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back to Lavin. this from Albano:
Sammy Albano @SammyAlbano
So I understand its out w/ the old & in w/ the new!
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and from JayOn_1
S.Dot @JayOn_1
@dR3ws3r yes I think there will be a change from what I see and hear on campus but I do know that the ppl in charge are split on it
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I don't know anything about bobby's coaching. I saw two URI games -- don't want danny. Would bobby be a big time recruiter?
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Matthew Steinbrink @MattSteinbrink
Another seat on the coaching carousel should open tomorrow. (Today)
Matthew Steinbrink
@MattSteinbrink
@jmattera83 Lavin is out. We will see.
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Take it all in with the biggest grain of salt you can find.
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I don't know anything about bobby's coaching. I saw two URI games -- don't want danny. Would bobby be a big time recruiter?
Big East. His backyard. Legendary college pg. You better believe that all these local kids will at least take a look at the Johnnies when they weren't previously. The Hurley name carries a ton of clout, especially in these parts. I'm sure Bobby can even get his Dad turned around on SJU lol.
The only unknown is his actual coaching but from what he's done in a short time at Buffalo, I'd say he's already better than Lavin in that dept. I think Bobby would be a vast improvement over Lav.
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I don't know anything about bobby's coaching. I saw two URI games -- don't want danny. Would bobby be a big time recruiter?
Big East. His backyard. Legendary college pg. You better believe that all these local kids will at least take a look at the Johnnies when they weren't previously. The Hurley name carries a ton of clout, especially in these parts. I'm sure Bobby can even get his Dad turned around on SJU lol.
The only unknown is his actual coaching but from what he's done in a short time at Buffalo, I'd say he's already better than Lavin in that dept. I think Bobby would be a vast improvement over Lav.
Hurley would be a risk, but one that I think St.John's should take. He's done more than just get Buffalo to the tourney for the first time. He's got that program set for the future. Lots of coaches have only been able to put one run together on a lucky recruiting situation or two. Like Pecora, for example, but Buffalo is a player now. He's brought kids. Really good ones, and if he stays, they are set for the future.
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Sooo this really could happen?
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The cupboard is basically clean at this point, if you get trid of Lavin you also most likely lose Sampson and any chance of Diallo. i don't care if they fire him but they better have a good idea of who they can hire to at least get this program back on it's feet in 3 years.
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Sooo this really could happen?
Imagine. Norm inherits a team that won six games and leaves one that goes to the tournament. Lavin inherits a team that goes to the tournament and leaves one that wins six games.
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The cupboard is basically clean at this point, if you get trid of Lavin you also most likely lose Sampson and any chance of Diallo. i don't care if they fire him but they better have a good idea of who they can hire to at least get this program back on it's feet in 3 years.
Exactly. I'm fine with it, but there better be a plan and they better get their top choice.
Next year with a new coach will be an even bigger step back than with Lavin. Doubt Sampson still comes.
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This seems like a big risk, maybe the smart move in the long run. Making me very nervous.
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Sooo this really could happen?
Imagine. Norm inherits a team that won six games and leaves one that goes to the tournament. Lavin inherits a team that goes to the tournament and leaves one that wins six games.
Not much else to say.
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One can only hope.
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One can only hope.
I would suggest ignoring me in coming days
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Baldi gonna start with the " I told you so" post now.
2 years later. Lol
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Baldi gonna start with the " I told you so" post now.
2 years later. Lol
NAh. You guys already know the deal. No need for Baldi to gloat.
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So he's taking the USC job? Wow. :)
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So he's taking the USC job? Wow. :)
Arizona st
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One way or the other it will be an interesting few days/weeks.
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I just think he gets bought out at this point for his final year and bet he ends of up on Fox 1 in LA
The replacement for him just is not easy to come up with
I think SJU MUST pay top dollar for a new coach to appease the Big East and UA
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I just think he gets bought out at this point for his final year and bet he ends of up on Fox 1 in LA
The replacement for him just is not easy to come up with
I think SJU MUST pay top dollar for a new coach to appease the Big East and UA
Would you equate one of the Hurley boys as "top dollar" or are you talking someone more proven such as Archie, etc.?
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I just think he gets bought out at this point for his final year and bet he ends of up on Fox 1 in LA
The replacement for him just is not easy to come up with
I think SJU MUST pay top dollar for a new coach to appease the Big East and UA
Would you equate one of the Hurley boys as "top dollar" or are you talking someone more proven such as Archie, etc.?
I like the Hurley's but something just doesn't sit right with me regarding their chances of success at St Johns. Same applies to Massielo or Richard Pitino.
Miller would be a GREAT choice if he would come
I would hope that somehow we could get Shaka to listen (as he technically is from the Pitino tree) and would be endorsed by Repole. Shaka would be a STAR in New York City.
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Here's my prediction (and I'll likely get laughed at):
Rico Hines.
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The cupboard is basically clean at this point, if you get trid of Lavin you also most likely lose Sampson and any chance of Diallo. i don't care if they fire him but they better have a good idea of who they can hire to at least get this program back on it's feet in 3 years.
Exactly. I'm fine with it, but there better be a plan and they better get their top choice.
Next year with a new coach will be an even bigger step back than with Lavin. Doubt Sampson still comes.
I think there's a good chance B Sampson still comes.
1) He's an Under Armour kid
2) He says he wants to get away from home, and loved his trip to NY
3) The biggest selling point for him here was playing time and a guaranteed spot as starting shooting guard. We still have all the playing time in the world.
4) Since he verballed for us, LSU, TexasAM, and UCLA have all signed top 100 shooting guards.
5) Cal, our biggest rival in his recruitment, had 4 guards that played 20+ mpg this season. None of them are graduating, they're all coming back. Including Tyrone Wallace (17ppg) and Jordan Mathews (13ppg).
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I think the only way we keep Sampson with a new coach is if Chiles remains on the staff and there is ZERO reason why he shouldn't be retained by a new coach, the Dude works hard and is good at what he does.
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I was going to say that I think Chiles stays if a move is made. Everyone else gone. Unless the new coach has an issue with Chiles or someone specific in mind to fill that role. That Maven guy tweets negative stuff about Chiles for whatever reason, but I have only heard good things from others in the NY/NJ basketball community about him.
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Aren't you guys getting ahead of yourselves?
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I was going to say that I think Chiles stays if a move is made. Everyone else gone. Unless the new coach has an issue with Chiles or someone specific in mind to fill that role. That Maven guy tweets negative stuff about Chiles for whatever reason, but I have only heard good things from others in the NY/NJ basketball community about him.
I am not sure of why Maven has a beef with Chiles. He seems like a really hard worker to me.
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I was going to say that I think Chiles stays if a move is made. Everyone else gone. Unless the new coach has an issue with Chiles or someone specific in mind to fill that role. That Maven guy tweets negative stuff about Chiles for whatever reason, but I have only heard good things from others in the NY/NJ basketball community about him.
PMG isn't a fan either if I recall correctly.
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I think the only way we keep Sampson with a new coach is if Chiles remains on the staff and there is ZERO reason why he shouldn't be retained by a new coach, the Dude works hard and is good at what he does.
TR - you know how much I respect you but I completely disagree on that evaluation
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I was going to say that I think Chiles stays if a move is made. Everyone else gone. Unless the new coach has an issue with Chiles or someone specific in mind to fill that role. That Maven guy tweets negative stuff about Chiles for whatever reason, but I have only heard good things from others in the NY/NJ basketball community about him.
Why the lack of Ny/NJ talent on the team?
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I think the only way we keep Sampson with a new coach is if Chiles remains on the staff and there is ZERO reason why he shouldn't be retained by a new coach, the Dude works hard and is good at what he does.
TR - you know how much I respect you but I completely disagree on that evaluation
I may be wrong but I don't know as much as you locally PMG. I have met Tony, he seems like a good guy on the surface
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I was going to say that I think Chiles stays if a move is made. Everyone else gone. Unless the new coach has an issue with Chiles or someone specific in mind to fill that role. That Maven guy tweets negative stuff about Chiles for whatever reason, but I have only heard good things from others in the NY/NJ basketball community about him.
I am not sure of why Maven has a beef with Chiles. He seems like a really hard worker to me.
after Maven exposed the Artis recruitment, Maven alluded to in a tweet the Chiles called to bitch him out...
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Aren't you guys getting ahead of yourselves?
Spring is a time for hope.
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Hope? CO and RJ stay. Diallo comes. We have a good team next year. Now that's a hope. And it's still possible.
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And all of a sudden the program is headed in the right direction. With Greece and Italy still possibles.
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I was going to say that I think Chiles stays if a move is made. Everyone else gone. Unless the new coach has an issue with Chiles or someone specific in mind to fill that role. That Maven guy tweets negative stuff about Chiles for whatever reason, but I have only heard good things from others in the NY/NJ basketball community about him.
I am not sure of why Maven has a beef with Chiles. He seems like a really hard worker to me.
after Maven exposed the Artis recruitment, Maven alluded to in a tweet the Chiles called to bitch him out...
I still don't understand how Lavin and Chiles thought they could recruit an alleged rapist without anyone finding out and objecting.
Are they stupid or just naive?
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I was going to say that I think Chiles stays if a move is made. Everyone else gone. Unless the new coach has an issue with Chiles or someone specific in mind to fill that role. That Maven guy tweets negative stuff about Chiles for whatever reason, but I have only heard good things from others in the NY/NJ basketball community about him.
I am not sure of why Maven has a beef with Chiles. He seems like a really hard worker to me.
after Maven exposed the Artis recruitment, Maven alluded to in a tweet the Chiles called to bitch him out...
I still don't understand how Lavin and Chiles thought they could recruit an alleged rapist without anyone finding out and objecting.
Are they stupid or just naive?
Desperate
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Hope? CO and RJ stay. Diallo comes. We have a good team next year. Now that's a hope. And it's still possible.
Actually, that's not even an NIT team.
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I disagree and hope we will find out. Maybe Lovett too. Obviously Sampson. Adonis in somewhat better shape. Ali more comfortable and shooting better....a little stronger......a pick and pop game off the bench.
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Hope? CO and RJ stay. Diallo comes. We have a good team next year. Now that's a hope. And it's still possible.
Actually, that's not even an NIT team.
Rysheed, Sampson, Obekpa and Diallo is not even an NIT team. What world are you on Poison? That's a bubble team minimum, even with Lavin coaching.
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No one is getting to the hoop easily against that front line of CO and Diallo. No one.
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Hope? CO and RJ stay. Diallo comes. We have a good team next year. Now that's a hope. And it's still possible.
Actually, that's not even an NIT team.
Rysheed, Sampson, Obekpa and Diallo is not even an NIT team. What world are you on Poison? That's a bubble team minimum, even with Lavin coaching.
And who else?
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@AdamZagoria: Sources: Steve Lavin’s Future at St. John’s in Doubt http://t.co/OuNcg5x2Nn @SNYtv
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Hope? CO and RJ stay. Diallo comes. We have a good team next year. Now that's a hope. And it's still possible.
Actually, that's not even an NIT team.
Rysheed, Sampson, Obekpa and Diallo is not even an NIT team. What world are you on Poison? That's a bubble team minimum, even with Lavin coaching.
I would agree with you
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@AdamZagoria: Sources: Steve Lavin’s Future at St. John’s in Doubt http://t.co/OuNcg5x2Nn @SNYtv
where there is smoke there is fire.
if there is this so much uncertainty regarding future, if i were Lavin, i'd want to take control of my own destiny. why would i want to stay somewhere, that i'm not fully wanted? it's a recipe for failure. i'd ask for a buyout.
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Would Mark Jackson be interested?
Would he be able to coach in college with his personality and the time on the road recruiting?
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@AdamZagoria: Sources: Steve Lavin’s Future at St. John’s in Doubt http://t.co/OuNcg5x2Nn @SNYtv
where there is smoke there is fire.
if there is this so much uncertainty regarding future, if i were Lavin, i'd want to take control of my own destiny. why would i want to stay somewhere, that i'm not fully wanted? it's a recipe for failure. i'd ask for a buyout.
Buy out, this is his last chance. No one is walking away from his salary. He is never going to make this kind of money again either.
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Would Mark Jackson be interested?
Would he be able to coach in college with his personality and the time on the road recruiting?
Good question. I think some of the circumstances with the NBA job and heirarchy that seemed to bring out major paranoia and inconsistent actions/behavior by Mark at Golden State would not be applicable at all at St. John's where he is a living legend. So I think it could work, if he gets experienced assistants and is ready to roll up his sleeves.
He wouldnt be my first choice but I do think he COULD work out extremely well...just a risk.
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This calls for a liquid lunch
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This whole thing is a mess. Typical St. John's.
St. John's should just give Lavin a 2 year extension which would put him on the books for 3 seasons. Stress to Lavin he needs to show X results over next season on court + recruiting otherwise he'd be bought out.
This would put the team in better position for next coach or Lavin could have things rolling.
If you fire Lavin now, you bring in any coach it will take 2 seasons to reshape the team and by year 3 or 4 people may be calling for his head too.
If you let Lavin just play out his contract he's a lame duck and won't be able to recruit and you're just shooting yourself in the foot.
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Would Mark Jackson be interested?
Would he be able to coach in college with his personality and the time on the road recruiting?
Good question. I think some of the circumstances with the NBA job and heirarchy that seemed to bring out major paranoia and inconsistent actions/behavior by Mark at Golden State would not be applicable at all at St. John's where he is a living legend. So I think it could work, if he gets experienced assistants and is ready to roll up his sleeves.
He wouldnt be my first choice but I do think he COULD work out extremely well...just a risk.
his name would carry us for maybe 1 or 2 years, but that would quickly wear out. i honestly don't think he's that great of a coach. he got very lucky by going to GS and having Curry there.
we need a coach. plain and simple. a guy that has the pedigree, fire, and who's only ambition is to be the very best coach. "celebrity" coaches ala Lavin, Jackson, are flashes of false hope.
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Would Mark Jackson be interested?
Would he be able to coach in college with his personality and the time on the road recruiting?
Very risky. I feel like if he comes here it will be like an Eddie Jordan situation. Great nba success but doesn't mean college success.
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Question
Would Mark Jackson be interested?
Would he be able to coach in college with his personality and the time on the road recruiting?
Good question. I think some of the circumstances with the NBA job and heirarchy that seemed to bring out major paranoia and inconsistent actions/behavior by Mark at Golden State would not be applicable at all at St. John's where he is a living legend. So I think it could work, if he gets experienced assistants and is ready to roll up his sleeves.
He wouldnt be my first choice but I do think he COULD work out extremely well...just a risk.
I don't really believe in the legend returning to coach his alma mater thing but the Zags article brought this to mind. I don't think Mullin does it so they must mean Mark Jackson. Mullin is living again in Bay area and seems more like an AD type than a coach to me.
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Chris Mullin has been on the tongue of administration since early last year. I believe there is some mutual interest.
Jackson has been brought up but I don't think too highly of him after talking to a few of his former players.
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Chris Mullin has been on the tongue of administration since early last year. I believe there is some mutual interest.
Jackson has been brought up but I don't think too highly of him after talking to a few of his former players.
I don;t think anyone knows the game of basketball like Mullin. If he could recruit he would be an excellent choice.
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Going to end up being Mas and Hurley v. Mullin
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Going to end up being Mas and Hurley v. Mullin
As I said in the Jackson post, I am really skeptical on the legend returning to coach but in Mullin's case he doesn't have any baggage and LOVES the school. It may work but can he handle the workload of recruiting and what would his staff look like.
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Going to end up being Mas and Hurley v. Mullin
As I said in the Jackson post, I am really skeptical on the legend returning to coach but in Mullin's case he doesn't have any baggage and LOVES the school. It may work but can he handle the workload of recruiting and what would his staff look like.
I agree with your concerns ted. I'd be very hesitant to hire any legend without recruiting experience.
But it does appear that the powers that be are split amongst potential candidates. And those seem to be the two camps.
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Also fwiw, you need a public story to get the ball rolling.
Now people's phones will start lighting up and things will start moving. Hopefully the post or dn have a follow up story about Lavin on his way out.
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Hope? CO and RJ stay. Diallo comes. We have a good team next year. Now that's a hope. And it's still possible.
Actually, that's not even an NIT team.
Rysheed, Sampson, Obekpa and Diallo is not even an NIT team. What world are you on Poison? That's a bubble team minimum, even with Lavin coaching.
And who else?
Just those 4, because we killed this year with 6.
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Going to end up being Mas and Hurley v. Mullin
Repole is also huge fan of Richard Pitino
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Going to end up being Mas and Hurley v. Mullin
Repole is also huge fan of Richard Pitino
Didn't know that, thank you.
Add him to the list then, which isn't a bad thing in my opinion.
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Normally I'd be hesitant about a candidate who has no prior head coaching experience, but Sacaramento was so impressed with Mullin they wanted him to coach BEFORE they went out and got George Karl. Mullin would be the exception. I assume Terrence would be an assistant?
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So he's taking the USC job? Wow. :)
Arizona st
Jon Rothstein @JonRothstein 53s54 seconds ago
Arizona State has fired head coach Herb Sendek, source told @CBSSports.
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So he's taking the USC job? Wow. :)
Arizona st
ok....
Evan Daniels @EvanDaniels
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SunDevilSource.com @SunDevilSource
We have confirmed reporting by @EvanDaniels and @scoutrecruiting that Duke assistant Jeff Capel is ASU’s top target via a program source.
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This whole thing is a mess. Typical St. John's.
St. John's should just give Lavin a 2 year extension which would put him on the books for 3 seasons. Stress to Lavin he needs to show X results over next season on court + recruiting otherwise he'd be bought out.
This would put the team in better position for next coach or Lavin could have things rolling.
If you fire Lavin now, you bring in any coach it will take 2 seasons to reshape the team and by year 3 or 4 people may be calling for his head too.
If you let Lavin just play out his contract he's a lame duck and won't be able to recruit and you're just shooting yourself in the foot.
^^^ This... This whole board will be crying in 3 years when we aren't in the Sweet 16 with the new coach.
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Normally I'd be hesitant about a candidate who has no prior head coaching experience, but Sacaramento was so impressed with Mullin they wanted him to coach BEFORE they went out and got George Karl. Mullin would be the exception. I assume Terrence would be an assistant?
I kind of hope it's not a SJU only staff
He would need an X/O guy
He would need a recruiter like Chiles, Kimani Young, Slice, or Rasheen Davis
Third assistant would be OK to go to a Terrance Mullin or Steve Shurina type
DOBO I would want a local SJU guy like Hamilton or Ty Grant
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Normally I'd be hesitant about a candidate who has no prior head coaching experience, but Sacaramento was so impressed with Mullin they wanted him to coach BEFORE they went out and got George Karl. Mullin would be the exception. I assume Terrence would be an assistant?
I kind of hope it's not a SJU only staff
He would need an X/O guy
He would need a recruiter like Chiles, Kimani Young, Slice, or Rasheen Davis
Third assistant would be OK to go to a Terrance Mullin or Steve Shurina type
DOBO I would want a local SJU guy like Hamilton or Ty Grant
i would say Zendon takes a greater role...
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Normally I'd be hesitant about a candidate who has no prior head coaching experience, but Sacaramento was so impressed with Mullin they wanted him to coach BEFORE they went out and got George Karl. Mullin would be the exception. I assume Terrence would be an assistant?
I kind of hope it's not a SJU only staff
He would need an X/O guy
He would need a recruiter like Chiles, Kimani Young, Slice, or Rasheen Davis
Third assistant would be OK to go to a Terrance Mullin or Steve Shurina type
DOBO I would want a local SJU guy like Hamilton or Ty Grant
Agree with you. Terrance can fill one spot but other 2 should be known recruiting and X/O commodities, respectively. And I think those are great choices for DOBO - what about Felipe as well, he's involved locally in the Bronx isn't he? But something like that would be great.
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Normally I'd be hesitant about a candidate who has no prior head coaching experience, but Sacaramento was so impressed with Mullin they wanted him to coach BEFORE they went out and got George Karl. Mullin would be the exception. I assume Terrence would be an assistant?
I kind of hope it's not a SJU only staff
He would need an X/O guy
He would need a recruiter like Chiles, Kimani Young, Slice, or Rasheen Davis
Third assistant would be OK to go to a Terrance Mullin or Steve Shurina type
DOBO I would want a local SJU guy like Hamilton or Ty Grant
Would you like to tell him where to have lunch?
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Normally I'd be hesitant about a candidate who has no prior head coaching experience, but Sacaramento was so impressed with Mullin they wanted him to coach BEFORE they went out and got George Karl. Mullin would be the exception. I assume Terrence would be an assistant?
I kind of hope it's not a SJU only staff
He would need an X/O guy
He would need a recruiter like Chiles, Kimani Young, Slice, or Rasheen Davis
Third assistant would be OK to go to a Terrance Mullin or Steve Shurina type
DOBO I would want a local SJU guy like Hamilton or Ty Grant
Agree with you. Terrance can fill one spot but other 2 should be known recruiting and X/O commodities, respectively. And I think those are great choices for DOBO - what about Felipe as well, he's involved locally in the Bronx isn't he? But something like that would be great.
Felipe would be fine LOL I just forgot to list him. I am kind of getting excited if Mullin is a possibility. At leastr we know he wouldn't take the job for granted,
Also wouldn't be shocked if Marcus Hatten's name came up as a staff member . He said within the last year that he would like to coach at St Johns
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How dare Lavin gets cancer and puts us in such a position.
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Sergio Rodriguez @SRod021 32m32 minutes ago
I love how all these local media guys have the Lavin haters thinking Steve is on his way out. Only discussion is 5 year or 3 year extension
D. @_redmen 26m26 minutes ago
@SRod021 My guess is the same. Zagaorias source sounds like it's the disgruntled brown noser, Sam Albano.
Sergio Rodriguez @SRod021 16m16 minutes ago
@_redmen That Albano clown had a run-in with Lavin where he was told to go scratch his ass so now he has become a pain in the ass
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This whole thing is a mess. Typical St. John's.
St. John's should just give Lavin a 2 year extension which would put him on the books for 3 seasons. Stress to Lavin he needs to show X results over next season on court + recruiting otherwise he'd be bought out.
This would put the team in better position for next coach or Lavin could have things rolling.
If you fire Lavin now, you bring in any coach it will take 2 seasons to reshape the team and by year 3 or 4 people may be calling for his head too.
If you let Lavin just play out his contract he's a lame duck and won't be able to recruit and you're just shooting yourself in the foot.
So essentially Lavin benefits from taking the recruiting year off. Giving him an extension just because a new coach probably won't succeed in year 1 or 2 (because of Lavin's lack of recruiting) is nothing more than rewarding Lavin for his incompetence
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Sergio Rodriguez @SRod021 32m32 minutes ago
I love how all these local media guys have the Lavin haters thinking Steve is on his way out. Only discussion is 5 year or 3 year extension
D. @_redmen 26m26 minutes ago
@SRod021 My guess is the same. Zagaorias source sounds like it's the disgruntled brown noser, Sam Albano.
Sergio Rodriguez @SRod021 16m16 minutes ago
@_redmen That Albano clown had a run-in with Lavin where he was told to go scratch his ass so now he has become a pain in the ass
If that were the case then SJU would leak (to Roger) that they are working on an extension. I am certain that an extension may still be in the cards but I would think that it is doubtful at this point
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Sergio Rodriguez @SRod021 32m32 minutes ago
I love how all these local media guys have the Lavin haters thinking Steve is on his way out. Only discussion is 5 year or 3 year extension
D. @_redmen 26m26 minutes ago
@SRod021 My guess is the same. Zagaorias source sounds like it's the disgruntled brown noser, Sam Albano.
Sergio Rodriguez @SRod021 16m16 minutes ago
@_redmen That Albano clown had a run-in with Lavin where he was told to go scratch his ass so now he has become a pain in the ass
Sergio was the guy that said the Greek kid was going to commit in a couple days a few months ago
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Sergio Rodriguez @SRod021 32m32 minutes ago
I love how all these local media guys have the Lavin haters thinking Steve is on his way out. Only discussion is 5 year or 3 year extension
D. @_redmen 26m26 minutes ago
@SRod021 My guess is the same. Zagaorias source sounds like it's the disgruntled brown noser, Sam Albano.
Sergio Rodriguez @SRod021 16m16 minutes ago
@_redmen That Albano clown had a run-in with Lavin where he was told to go scratch his ass so now he has become a pain in the ass
Sergio was the guy that said the Greek kid was going to commit in a couple days a few months ago
and Jay_On1 said that Briscoe was coming..... Everyone is full of shit until their not.
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Sergio Rodriguez @SRod021 32m32 minutes ago
I love how all these local media guys have the Lavin haters thinking Steve is on his way out. Only discussion is 5 year or 3 year extension
D. @_redmen 26m26 minutes ago
@SRod021 My guess is the same. Zagaorias source sounds like it's the disgruntled brown noser, Sam Albano.
Sergio Rodriguez @SRod021 16m16 minutes ago
@_redmen That Albano clown had a run-in with Lavin where he was told to go scratch his ass so now he has become a pain in the ass
If that were the case then SJU would leak (to Roger) that they are working on an extension. I am certain that an extension may still be in the cards but I would think that it is doubtful at this point
albano, baldi, and Jay also said Lavin to ASU....
given the misinformation spewed about more player suspension after obekpa, i wouldn't doubt someone at sju is passing on false guidance.
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Normally I'd be hesitant about a candidate who has no prior head coaching experience, but Sacaramento was so impressed with Mullin they wanted him to coach BEFORE they went out and got George Karl. Mullin would be the exception. I assume Terrence would be an assistant?
I kind of hope it's not a SJU only staff
He would need an X/O guy
He would need a recruiter like Chiles, Kimani Young, Slice, or Rasheen Davis
Third assistant would be OK to go to a Terrance Mullin or Steve Shurina type
DOBO I would want a local SJU guy like Hamilton or Ty Grant
Agree with you. Terrance can fill one spot but other 2 should be known recruiting and X/O commodities, respectively. And I think those are great choices for DOBO - what about Felipe as well, he's involved locally in the Bronx isn't he? But something like that would be great.
Felipe would be fine LOL I just forgot to list him. I am kind of getting excited if Mullin is a possibility. At leastr we know he wouldn't take the job for granted,
Also wouldn't be shocked if Marcus Hatten's name came up as a staff member . He said within the last year that he would like to coach at St Johns
Hatten as a coach?
Okay Felix, here's what you do: Split the double team in the half court set, then throw it down, but make sure you wait until you get fouled first, because you don't want to waste a chance at a 3 point play. After that, steal the ball in the in-bounds play, and dunk it again. After that the other team will call a TO. When play resumes, hit a few three pointers, block some shots, and throw some alley-oops. Then go get some water.
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How dare Lavin gets cancer and puts us in such a position.
His year off is understood by everyone I know. But why did he not recruit last year?
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Normally I'd be hesitant about a candidate who has no prior head coaching experience, but Sacaramento was so impressed with Mullin they wanted him to coach BEFORE they went out and got George Karl. Mullin would be the exception. I assume Terrence would be an assistant?
I kind of hope it's not a SJU only staff
He would need an X/O guy
He would need a recruiter like Chiles, Kimani Young, Slice, or Rasheen Davis
Third assistant would be OK to go to a Terrance Mullin or Steve Shurina type
DOBO I would want a local SJU guy like Hamilton or Ty Grant
Agree with you. Terrance can fill one spot but other 2 should be known recruiting and X/O commodities, respectively. And I think those are great choices for DOBO - what about Felipe as well, he's involved locally in the Bronx isn't he? But something like that would be great.
Felipe would be fine LOL I just forgot to list him. I am kind of getting excited if Mullin is a possibility. At leastr we know he wouldn't take the job for granted,
Also wouldn't be shocked if Marcus Hatten's name came up as a staff member . He said within the last year that he would like to coach at St Johns
Hatten as a coach?
Okay Felix, here's what you do: Split the double team in the half court set, then throw it down, but make sure you wait until you get fouled first, because you don't want to waste a chance at a 3 point play. After that, steal the ball in the in-bounds play, and dunk it again. After that the other team will call a TO. When play resumes, hit a few three pointers, block some shots, and throw some alley-oops. Then go get some water.
The DOBO spot should reward a player from the program,
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Whole staff needs replacing
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Isn't the idea to move the program forward and ahead? Bringing in 5 players from over the last 20 years, where we absolutely sucked, seems to be counterproductive.
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It's called The Miracle of St. Anthony. It's been out for a long time now. I got it for my Dad about 6-7 years ago. Great read.
Hurley Sr. will never send another St. Ant's player here after Roshown McLeod and Ingram. Talk about burning a bridge. The most famous HS hoops coach in America and the Johnnies are on his shit list when it comes to recruiting his players. Never gonna change. The Johnnies sure could've used a Markus McDuffie in this recruiting cycle. Because they surely don't have enough 6'4 guards and wings. Sad.
But we shouldn't feel bad. Hurley Sr. has yet to send a player to his own son Danny.
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It's a perfect "red storm" of issues. Besides we go after SJU leadership keep in mind that this is the 3rd President in 3 years...The first one "retired" after all the scandal broke, the second one was here to keep the boat afloat, and the 3rd one was brought here to fix all the issues left by the first one, and he's hasn't been here a full year left.
SJU will have to be remade from top to bottom (even bring back SJU). This is Gempenshaw first really huge decision and it's also a HUGE finicial one. Let's see what happens first before we say typical SJU, because this is a new administration for the first time in a quarter of a century and there is a reason they pick an academic over just naming a Priest for tradition sake.
Lavin put himself into this positions by his own up and down tenure. If this team was properly stacked this year the tournament and season migh have been different. If the next season we were reloading with 4 and 5 star recruits The decision would probably an easy one in favor of Lavin.
After five years there is still a lot if think and hopes that this team is on the right track...Somebody please tell me what Lavin's plans is for this recruiting class and next year?
Not saying he should be Fire, I'm just saying he made the choice a difficult one by his actions against a new President who didn't pick him. I just want what's beat for SJU with or without Lavin.
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Sergio Rodriguez @SRod021 32m32 minutes ago
I love how all these local media guys have the Lavin haters thinking Steve is on his way out. Only discussion is 5 year or 3 year extension
D. @_redmen 26m26 minutes ago
@SRod021 My guess is the same. Zagaorias source sounds like it's the disgruntled brown noser, Sam Albano.
Sergio Rodriguez @SRod021 16m16 minutes ago
@_redmen That Albano clown had a run-in with Lavin where he was told to go scratch his ass so now he has become a pain in the ass
Sergio was the guy that said the Greek kid was going to commit in a couple days a few months ago
and Jay_On1 said that Briscoe was coming..... Everyone is full of shit until their not.
I do not take anything Jay says as gospel either
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This needs to happen asap. So many openings, trickle down might hurt the situation
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This needs to happen asap. So many openings, trickle down might hurt the situation
Early bird gets the worm.
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This needs to happen asap. So many openings, trickle down might hurt the situation
Early bird gets the worm.
Ben Howland proved himself too desperate
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Lavin's going to be coaching in Queens through his 60's.
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It's called The Miracle of St. Anthony. It's been out for a long time now. I got it for my Dad about 6-7 years ago. Great read.
Hurley Sr. will never send another St. Ant's player here after Roshown McLeod and Ingram. Talk about burning a bridge. The most famous HS hoops coach in America and the Johnnies are on his shit list when it comes to recruiting his players. Never gonna change. The Johnnies sure could've used a Markus McDuffie in this recruiting cycle. Because they surely don't have enough 6'4 guards and wings. Sad.
But we shouldn't feel bad. Hurley Sr. has yet to send a player to his own son Danny.
Who would he have sent?
He tried to push Tarin Smith to URI but Danny didn't think he was better than the guards he had or could get. Both are going to do what's best for player + team.
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Sergio Rodriguez @SRod021 32m32 minutes ago
I love how all these local media guys have the Lavin haters thinking Steve is on his way out. Only discussion is 5 year or 3 year extension
D. @_redmen 26m26 minutes ago
@SRod021 My guess is the same. Zagaorias source sounds like it's the disgruntled brown noser, Sam Albano.
Sergio Rodriguez @SRod021 16m16 minutes ago
@_redmen That Albano clown had a run-in with Lavin where he was told to go scratch his ass so now he has become a pain in the ass
Sergio was the guy that said the Greek kid was going to commit in a couple days a few months ago
and Jay_On1 said that Briscoe was coming..... Everyone is full of shit until their not.
At the time he was. He pulled a complete 180 last second.
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Going to end up being Mas and Hurley v. Mullin
Repole is also huge fan of Richard Pitino
That is who I was told last week is #1 target
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Normally I'd be hesitant about a candidate who has no prior head coaching experience, but Sacaramento was so impressed with Mullin they wanted him to coach BEFORE they went out and got George Karl. Mullin would be the exception. I assume Terrence would be an assistant?
I kind of hope it's not a SJU only staff
He would need an X/O guy
He would need a recruiter like Chiles, Kimani Young, Slice, or Rasheen Davis
Third assistant would be OK to go to a Terrance Mullin or Steve Shurina type
DOBO I would want a local SJU guy like Hamilton or Ty Grant
Good names and agree an all SJU staff would not be good dynamic.
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Going to end up being Mas and Hurley v. Mullin
His name has been out there, it would be very risky IMHO
Repole is also huge fan of Richard Pitino
That is who I was told last week is #1 target
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Sergio Rodriguez @SRod021 32m32 minutes ago
I love how all these local media guys have the Lavin haters thinking Steve is on his way out. Only discussion is 5 year or 3 year extension
D. @_redmen 26m26 minutes ago
@SRod021 My guess is the same. Zagaorias source sounds like it's the disgruntled brown noser, Sam Albano.
Sergio Rodriguez @SRod021 16m16 minutes ago
@_redmen That Albano clown had a run-in with Lavin where he was told to go scratch his ass so now he has become a pain in the ass
Sergio was the guy that said the Greek kid was going to commit in a couple days a few months ago
and Jay_On1 said that Briscoe was coming..... Everyone is full of shit until their not.
At the time he was. He pulled a complete 180 last second.
Same time Briscoe did.
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Going to end up being Mas and Hurley v. Mullin
Repole is also huge fan of Richard Pitino
I think Richard is a better coach than people realize. I trust his ability to recruit too. I wouldn't be mad at it but not sold he can do better than Lavin.
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Going to end up being Mas and Hurley v. Mullin
Repole is also huge fan of Richard Pitino
I think Richard is a better coach than people realize. I trust his ability to recruit too. I wouldn't be mad at it but not sold he can do better than Lavin.
That's what I think too
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So you guys are fine with once a 4 year Ncaa appearance?
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So you guys are fine with once a 4 year Ncaa appearance?
You're going to need a bigger hook with all the bait you've been putting out lately.
What if St. John's made tournament last year? If they made 3 in 5 would we even be talking about this at all?
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IF Lavin goes.......I would be surprised to see us hire Masiello. Image is still tarnished from last year. There needs to be more distance. Bobby Hurley (should be easy to get), Archie Miller (tough get but great choice), Mark Jackson (unlikely due to estranged relationship w sju). Do NOT want Richard Pittino.
Crazy long shot - Is Billy Donovan ready to come home after tough year = highly unlikely.
Just some thoughts.
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So you guys are fine with once a 4 year Ncaa appearance?
You're going to need a bigger hook with all the bait you've been putting out lately.
What if St. John's made tournament last year? If they made 3 in 5 would we even be talking about this at all?
you think he's done Dave?
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So you guys are fine with once a 4 year Ncaa appearance?
You're going to need a bigger hook with all the bait you've been putting out lately.
What if St. John's made tournament last year? If they made 3 in 5 would we even be talking about this at all?
What? What if we won the national championship the last four years? What if we went 40-0 in every season Lavin has been here? If all that happened we wouldn't be talking about this
Sure, if we made the tournament last year we probably wouldn't be talking about this. But we didn't and that's a huge part of the problem
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IF Lavin goes.......I would be surprised to see us hire Masiello. Image is still tarnished from last year. There needs to be more distance. Bobby Hurley (should be easy to get), Archie Miller (tough get but great choice), Mark Jackson (unlikely due to estranged relationship w sju). Do NOT want Richard Pittino.
Crazy long shot - Is Billy Donovan ready to come home after tough year = highly unlikely.
Just some thoughts.
We threw the kitchen sink at Donovan in 2010 and he didn't consider us. His parents have moved to Florida. Although he would be my #1 choice it just aint happening
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IF Lavin goes.......I would be surprised to see us hire Masiello. Image is still tarnished from last year. There needs to be more distance. Bobby Hurley (should be easy to get), Archie Miller (tough get but great choice), Mark Jackson (unlikely due to estranged relationship w sju). Do NOT want Richard Pittino.
Crazy long shot - Is Billy Donovan ready to come home after tough year = highly unlikely.
Just some thoughts.
Add Bob Mckillop to the list. What he did at Davidson this year was almost miraculous. He's a really really good coach and would not turn us down. Not saying he's my first choice or even top 3, but I'd take him over Lavin or Pitino in a heartbeat
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So you guys are fine with once a 4 year Ncaa appearance?
You're going to need a bigger hook with all the bait you've been putting out lately.
What if St. John's made tournament last year? If they made 3 in 5 would we even be talking about this at all?
you think he's done Dave?
Don't know. As I've said previously if it were my choice I'd bring him back without question. Starting fresh would be major set back.
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IF Lavin goes.......I would be surprised to see us hire Masiello. Image is still tarnished from last year. There needs to be more distance. Bobby Hurley (should be easy to get), Archie Miller (tough get but great choice), Mark Jackson (unlikely due to estranged relationship w sju). Do NOT want Richard Pittino.
Crazy long shot - Is Billy Donovan ready to come home after tough year = highly unlikely.
Just some thoughts.
Add Bob Mckillop to the list. What he did at Davidson this year was almost miraculous. He's a really really good coach and would not turn us down. Not saying he's my first choice or even top 3, but I'd take him over Lavin or Pitino in a heartbeat
Based on what do you say McKillop wouldn't turn us down?
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Sergio Rodriguez @SRod021 32m32 minutes ago
I love how all these local media guys have the Lavin haters thinking Steve is on his way out. Only discussion is 5 year or 3 year extension
D. @_redmen 26m26 minutes ago
@SRod021 My guess is the same. Zagaorias source sounds like it's the disgruntled brown noser, Sam Albano.
Sergio Rodriguez @SRod021 16m16 minutes ago
@_redmen That Albano clown had a run-in with Lavin where he was told to go scratch his ass so now he has become a pain in the ass
Sergio was the guy that said the Greek kid was going to commit in a couple days a few months ago
and Jay_On1 said that Briscoe was coming..... Everyone is full of shit until their not.
We should know that better than anyone, we have Baldi and his predictions to prove that!!!
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IF Lavin goes.......I would be surprised to see us hire Masiello. Image is still tarnished from last year. There needs to be more distance. Bobby Hurley (should be easy to get), Archie Miller (tough get but great choice), Mark Jackson (unlikely due to estranged relationship w sju). Do NOT want Richard Pittino.
Crazy long shot - Is Billy Donovan ready to come home after tough year = highly unlikely.
Just some thoughts.
Add Bob Mckillop to the list. What he did at Davidson this year was almost miraculous. He's a really really good coach and would not turn us down. Not saying he's my first choice or even top 3, but I'd take him over Lavin or Pitino in a heartbeat
Based on what do you say McKillop wouldn't turn us down?
McKillop is from and loves NY and still lives on Long Island in the offseason. He wouldn't turn down the only NY school thats an upgrade over his current school for one run at it before he retires
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LOL Boo is making me laugh on this thread.
Seriously, the "powers that be" better have their ducks in a row, if they're gonna move on from Lavin.
IMO, No Mas, Amaker, or (Mark) Jackson! I'm not particularly sold on or sure about the Hurleys, Pitino, Jr., or Mullin.
Give me the Marshall's, Miller's, Smart's (doubt that seriously happen with Smart) and the likes.
If we bring in the "right" person, per se', then I do feel Brandon Sampson and the other recruits would probably stay put. You could also see Jordan and Obekpa return.
Some of you folks who would be happy just to see Lavin go better be careful what you wish for. Hopefully, there is a sound plan in place, if Lavin is actually let go.
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Normally I'd be hesitant about a candidate who has no prior head coaching experience, but Sacaramento was so impressed with Mullin they wanted him to coach BEFORE they went out and got George Karl. Mullin would be the exception. I assume Terrence would be an assistant?
I kind of hope it's not a SJU only staff
He would need an X/O guy
He would need a recruiter like Chiles, Kimani Young, Slice, or Rasheen Davis
Third assistant would be OK to go to a Terrance Mullin or Steve Shurina type
DOBO I would want a local SJU guy like Hamilton or Ty Grant
Agree with you. Terrance can fill one spot but other 2 should be known recruiting and X/O commodities, respectively. And I think those are great choices for DOBO - what about Felipe as well, he's involved locally in the Bronx isn't he? But something like that would be great.
Felipe would be fine LOL I just forgot to list him. I am kind of getting excited if Mullin is a possibility. At leastr we know he wouldn't take the job for granted,
Also wouldn't be shocked if Marcus Hatten's name came up as a staff member . He said within the last year that he would like to coach at St Johns
Hatten as a coach?
Okay Felix, here's what you do: Split the double team in the half court set, then throw it down, but make sure you wait until you get fouled first, because you don't want to waste a chance at a 3 point play. After that, steal the ball in the in-bounds play, and dunk it again. After that the other team will call a TO. When play resumes, hit a few three pointers, block some shots, and throw some alley-oops. Then go get some water.
The DOBO spot should reward a player from the program,
The DOB should be Hatten. I was just making a joke, or trying to.
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IF Lavin goes.......I would be surprised to see us hire Masiello. Image is still tarnished from last year. There needs to be more distance. Bobby Hurley (should be easy to get), Archie Miller (tough get but great choice), Mark Jackson (unlikely due to estranged relationship w sju). Do NOT want Richard Pittino.
Crazy long shot - Is Billy Donovan ready to come home after tough year = highly unlikely.
Just some thoughts.
Add Bob Mckillop to the list. What he did at Davidson this year was almost miraculous. He's a really really good coach and would not turn us down. Not saying he's my first choice or even top 3, but I'd take him over Lavin or Pitino in a heartbeat
Based on what do you say McKillop wouldn't turn us down?
McKillop is from and loves NY and still lives on Long Island in the offseason. He wouldn't turn down the only NY school thats an upgrade over his current school for one run at it before he retires
"No" to McKillop, as well. IMO, he would've been good for us at one point, but not at this juncture.
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LOL Boo is making me laugh on this thread.
Seriously, the "powers that be" better have their ducks in a row, if they're gonna move on from Lavin.
IMO, No Mas, Amaker, or (Mark) Jackson! I'm not particularly sold on or sure about the Hurleys, Pitino, Jr., or Mullin.
Give me the Marshall's, Miller's, Smart's (doubt that seriously happen with Smart) and the likes.
If we bring in the "right" person, per se', then I do feel Brandon Sampson and the other recruits would probably stay put. You could also see Jordan and Obekpa return.
Some of you folks who would be happy just to see Lavin go better be careful what you wish for. Hopefully, there is a sound plan in place, if Lavin is actually let go.
Great post
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So you guys are fine with once a 4 year Ncaa appearance?
You're going to need a bigger hook with all the bait you've been putting out lately.
What if St. John's made tournament last year? If they made 3 in 5 would we even be talking about this at all?
you think he's done Dave?
Don't know. As I've said previously if it were my choice I'd bring him back without question. Starting fresh would be major set back.
yup. complete alignment with you.
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Sergio Rodriguez @SRod021 32m32 minutes ago
I love how all these local media guys have the Lavin haters thinking Steve is on his way out. Only discussion is 5 year or 3 year extension
D. @_redmen 26m26 minutes ago
@SRod021 My guess is the same. Zagaorias source sounds like it's the disgruntled brown noser, Sam Albano.
Sergio Rodriguez @SRod021 16m16 minutes ago
@_redmen That Albano clown had a run-in with Lavin where he was told to go scratch his ass so now he has become a pain in the ass
Sergio was the guy that said the Greek kid was going to commit in a couple days a few months ago
and Jay_On1 said that Briscoe was coming..... Everyone is full of shit until their not.
At the time he was. He pulled a complete 180 last second.
Same time Briscoe did.
Simplyred, dave is saying that when jay on tweeted it, Briscoe was coming here. Then he pulled a 180
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LOL Boo is making me laugh on this thread.
Seriously, the "powers that be" better have their ducks in a row, if they're gonna move on from Lavin.
IMO, No Mas, Amaker, or (Mark) Jackson! I'm not particularly sold on or sure about the Hurleys, Pitino, Jr., or Mullin.
Give me the Marshall's, Miller's, Smart's (doubt that seriously happen with Smart) and the likes.
If we bring in the "right" person, per se', then I do feel Brandon Sampson and the other recruits would probably stay put. You could also see Jordan and Obekpa return.
Some of you folks who would be happy just to see Lavin go better be careful what you wish for. Hopefully, there is a sound plan in place, if Lavin is actually let go.
+1000
Once again, Dinkins showing that he is almost as smart as me. ;)
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Sergio Rodriguez @SRod021 32m32 minutes ago
I love how all these local media guys have the Lavin haters thinking Steve is on his way out. Only discussion is 5 year or 3 year extension
D. @_redmen 26m26 minutes ago
@SRod021 My guess is the same. Zagaorias source sounds like it's the disgruntled brown noser, Sam Albano.
Sergio Rodriguez @SRod021 16m16 minutes ago
@_redmen That Albano clown had a run-in with Lavin where he was told to go scratch his ass so now he has become a pain in the ass
Sergio was the guy that said the Greek kid was going to commit in a couple days a few months ago
and Jay_On1 said that Briscoe was coming..... Everyone is full of shit until their not.
At the time he was. He pulled a complete 180 last second.
Same time Briscoe did.
Simplyred, dave is saying that when jay on tweeted it, Briscoe was coming here. Then he pulled a 180
I understand. And my point was that Jay_on's 180 came at the last minute just like Briscoe's 180 (from SJU to Uk) came at the last minute.
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So you guys are fine with once a 4 year Ncaa appearance?
You're going to need a bigger hook with all the bait you've been putting out lately.
What if St. John's made tournament last year? If they made 3 in 5 would we even be talking about this at all?
What? What if we won the national championship the last four years? What if we went 40-0 in every season Lavin has been here? If all that happened we wouldn't be talking about this
Sure, if we made the tournament last year we probably wouldn't be talking about this. But we didn't and that's a huge part of the problem
The difference is they were not that far from making the Tourney last year considering they were a no. 1 seed in the NIT. A game here or a bounce here might have been the difference. They lost to Nova last year on the road after giving up a banked 3 pointer by Ryan A late. They then lost on a last second 3 to Creigton on the road to Dougie Mcbuckets.
At the end of course you are right they did not get it done. But you can't compare potentially making it last year to winning a NC. That is an valid analogy. They were close to making it last year, let's not act like they went 11-20 last year.
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LOL Boo is making me laugh on this thread.
Seriously, the "powers that be" better have their ducks in a row, if they're gonna move on from Lavin.
IMO, No Mas, Amaker, or (Mark) Jackson! I'm not particularly sold on or sure about the Hurleys, Pitino, Jr., or Mullin.
Give me the Marshall's, Miller's, Smart's (doubt that seriously happen with Smart) and the likes.
If we bring in the "right" person, per se', then I do feel Brandon Sampson and the other recruits would probably stay put. You could also see Jordan and Obekpa return.
Some of you folks who would be happy just to see Lavin go better be careful what you wish for. Hopefully, there is a sound plan in place, if Lavin is actually let go.
Solid post dinkins. It should be acknowledged that the next coach could perform below Lavin levels for a few years.
But the opposite side of the coin is that I think Lavin's next two seasons (if he's here) will be more like 2011 than his recent success.
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LOL Boo is making me laugh on this thread.
Seriously, the "powers that be" better have their ducks in a row, if they're gonna move on from Lavin.
IMO, No Mas, Amaker, or (Mark) Jackson! I'm not particularly sold on or sure about the Hurleys, Pitino, Jr., or Mullin.
Give me the Marshall's, Miller's, Smart's (doubt that seriously happen with Smart) and the likes.
If we bring in the "right" person, per se', then I do feel Brandon Sampson and the other recruits would probably stay put. You could also see Jordan and Obekpa return.
Some of you folks who would be happy just to see Lavin go better be careful what you wish for. Hopefully, there is a sound plan in place, if Lavin is actually let go.
+1000
Once again, Dinkins showing that he is almost as smart as me. ;)
I think most educated SJU fans think along these lines. It's the others that think change for the sake of change is always best.
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Sergio Rodriguez @SRod021 32m32 minutes ago
I love how all these local media guys have the Lavin haters thinking Steve is on his way out. Only discussion is 5 year or 3 year extension
D. @_redmen 26m26 minutes ago
@SRod021 My guess is the same. Zagaorias source sounds like it's the disgruntled brown noser, Sam Albano.
Sergio Rodriguez @SRod021 16m16 minutes ago
@_redmen That Albano clown had a run-in with Lavin where he was told to go scratch his ass so now he has become a pain in the ass
Sergio was the guy that said the Greek kid was going to commit in a couple days a few months ago
and Jay_On1 said that Briscoe was coming..... Everyone is full of shit until their not.
At the time he was. He pulled a complete 180 last second.
Same time Briscoe did.
Simplyred, dave is saying that when jay on tweeted it, Briscoe was coming here. Then he pulled a 180
I understand. And my point was that Jay_on's 180 came at the last minute just like Briscoe's 180 (from SJU to Uk) came at the last minute.
Oh absolutely. I think Jayons reversal may have been after the fact even.
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Going to end up being Mas and Hurley v. Mullin
Repole is also huge fan of Richard Pitino
I think Richard is a better coach than people realize. I trust his ability to recruit too. I wouldn't be mad at it but not sold he can do better than Lavin.
Lavin beat him this year and had a better record.
Gopher hole fans are up in arms over him. Can't keep fans happy no matter where you are.
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So you guys are fine with once a 4 year Ncaa appearance?
You're going to need a bigger hook with all the bait you've been putting out lately.
What if St. John's made tournament last year? If they made 3 in 5 would we even be talking about this at all?
But we didn't.
All this is, is what ifs
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So you guys are fine with once a 4 year Ncaa appearance?
You're going to need a bigger hook with all the bait you've been putting out lately.
What if St. John's made tournament last year? If they made 3 in 5 would we even be talking about this at all?
But we didn't.
All this is, is what ifs
You like to speak in certainties... As if the new coach will certainly do better than Lavin!!! Nice crystal ball
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So you guys are fine with once a 4 year Ncaa appearance?
You're going to need a bigger hook with all the bait you've been putting out lately.
What if St. John's made tournament last year? If they made 3 in 5 would we even be talking about this at all?
But we didn't.
All this is, is what ifs
You like to speak in certainties... As if the new coach will certainly do better than Lavin!!! Nice crystal ball
You're doing the same in thinking a new coach couldn't do better
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So you guys are fine with once a 4 year Ncaa appearance?
You're going to need a bigger hook with all the bait you've been putting out lately.
What if St. John's made tournament last year? If they made 3 in 5 would we even be talking about this at all?
But we didn't.
All this is, is what ifs
You like to speak in certainties... As if the new coach will certainly do better than Lavin!!! Nice crystal ball
You're doing the same in thinking a new coach couldn't do better
It doesn't work that way guy. The other is a known quantity.
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So you guys are fine with once a 4 year Ncaa appearance?
You're going to need a bigger hook with all the bait you've been putting out lately.
What if St. John's made tournament last year? If they made 3 in 5 would we even be talking about this at all?
But we didn't.
All this is, is what ifs
You like to speak in certainties... As if the new coach will certainly do better than Lavin!!! Nice crystal ball
You're doing the same in thinking a new coach couldn't do better
It doesn't work that way guy. The other is a known quantity.
Quantity is better than quality?
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jeez
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jeez
Agreed
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2 million to buy Lavin out according to Zach Braziller. Lot of cake for cheapo STJ to pony-up for someone to leave.
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So you guys are fine with once a 4 year Ncaa appearance?
You're going to need a bigger hook with all the bait you've been putting out lately.
What if St. John's made tournament last year? If they made 3 in 5 would we even be talking about this at all?
What? What if we won the national championship the last four years? What if we went 40-0 in every season Lavin has been here? If all that happened we wouldn't be talking about this
Sure, if we made the tournament last year we probably wouldn't be talking about this. But we didn't and that's a huge part of the problem
The difference is they were not that far from making the Tourney last year considering they were a no. 1 seed in the NIT. A game here or a bounce here might have been the difference. They lost to Nova last year on the road after giving up a banked 3 pointer by Ryan A late. They then lost on a last second 3 to Creigton on the road to Dougie Mcbuckets.
At the end of course you are right they did not get it done. But you can't compare potentially making it last year to winning a NC. That is an valid analogy. They were close to making it last year, let's not act like they went 11-20 last year.
Had coach brought in guys who could play instead of wasting spots on Borgo and Hooper maybe good things happen last year and this year too. Can't do the math but guessing coach had about 40 open spots to bring in real players and he has brought in maybe 8 guys who can play.
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2 million to buy Lavin out according to Zach Braziller. Lot of cake for cheapo STJ to pony-up for someone to leave.
The school has been paying a lot of employees to leave
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2 million to buy Lavin out according to Zach Braziller. Lot of cake for cheapo STJ to pony-up for someone to leave.
The school has been paying a lot of employees to leave
True but most aren't being replaced or are being replaced at a much cheaper rate. Hope they don't do that with the coach of the basketball team.
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2 million to buy Lavin out according to Zach Braziller. Lot of cake for cheapo STJ to pony-up for someone to leave.
Not if they then hire cheap replacement like they did with Norm. That is the type of coach I would expect BTW
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Whatever happens this needs to be handled in an expedient manner. Of course since St. John's is running this there will be smoke for weeks and then if there is fire at all this year, it will happen after all the best candidates are taken and all recruits are snatched up. Unreal.
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So you guys are fine with once a 4 year Ncaa appearance?
You're going to need a bigger hook with all the bait you've been putting out lately.
What if St. John's made tournament last year? If they made 3 in 5 would we even be talking about this at all?
you think he's done Dave?
Don't know. As I've said previously if it were my choice I'd bring him back without question. Starting fresh would be major set back.
To be fair, I don't think this is all about on court performance. A few key players last year all explored transferring out. Fans have to repeatedly hear about academic ineligibles and suspensions on a yearly basis.
I'm not saying that it's all his fault. But there's way too much drama around this program.
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Wasn't there rumors of the staff and administration differing on Dominic Artis also?
And now our 2nd biggest target remaining for next year is a huge academic question mark (Lovett)...
It's just a #$%^ing circus with this staff.
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So you guys are fine with once a 4 year Ncaa appearance?
You're going to need a bigger hook with all the bait you've been putting out lately.
What if St. John's made tournament last year? If they made 3 in 5 would we even be talking about this at all?
you think he's done Dave?
Don't know. As I've said previously if it were my choice I'd bring him back without question. Starting fresh would be major set back.
To be fair, I don't think this is all about on court performance. A few key players last year all explored transferring out. Fans have to repeatedly hear about academic ineligibles and suspensions on a yearly basis.
I'm not saying that it's all his fault. But there's way too much drama around this program.
but at the same time, you can't ignore his off-courts success: graduating srs, 2 rookies of the year, nba players, etc.
not an easy decision by any stretch.
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So you guys are fine with once a 4 year Ncaa appearance?
You're going to need a bigger hook with all the bait you've been putting out lately.
What if St. John's made tournament last year? If they made 3 in 5 would we even be talking about this at all?
you think he's done Dave?
Don't know. As I've said previously if it were my choice I'd bring him back without question. Starting fresh would be major set back.
To be fair, I don't think this is all about on court performance. A few key players last year all explored transferring out. Fans have to repeatedly hear about academic ineligibles and suspensions on a yearly basis.
I'm not saying that it's all his fault. But there's way too much drama around this program.
but at the same time, you can't ignore his off-courts success: graduating srs, 2 rookies of the year, nba players, etc.
not an easy decision by any stretch.
How about his off court failures? The numerous ineligibles, Rysheed disappearing, Obekpa suspension.... I would say his off court 'success' are more than canceled out by these off court failures
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There have been both successes on the court, and off the court issues. The thing is, the off the court issues happen every year, and throughout the year. The success has happened 2 out of 5 years. If you're happy with that, it's a shame.
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Last year and this year were similar. I enjoyed both seasons. Was getting our ass kicked at mid night last Friday that awesome for some of you? I don't care who the coach is. I just want to enjoy a basketball season. Getting a new coach that takes 3 years just to get where we have been these last 5 years doesn't make any sense to me.
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2 million to buy Lavin out according to Zach Braziller. Lot of cake for cheapo STJ to pony-up for someone to leave.
So it would cost more to buy him out of his last year on his contract than he would be payed to fulfill it? Doesn't sound right. Maybe the 2 mill was earlier on in the contract.
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Now he says that number is wrong.. either I misinterpreted an earlier tweet or he had bad info earlier and corrected. regardless... my bad
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Last year and this year were similar. I enjoyed both seasons. Was getting our ass kicked at mid night last Friday that awesome for some of you? I don't care who the coach is. I just want to enjoy a basketball season. Getting a new coach that takes 3 years just to get where we have been these last 5 years doesn't make any sense to me.
It's a major stretch to say that Lavin will pull the recruiting rabbit out of his to make this team competitive these next two years. If we don't land Diallo we have virtually no chance at an NCAA tourney this year or next
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Last year and this year were similar. I enjoyed both seasons. Was getting our ass kicked at mid night last Friday that awesome for some of you? I don't care who the coach is. I just want to enjoy a basketball season. Getting a new coach that takes 3 years just to get where we have been these last 5 years doesn't make any sense to me.
It's a major stretch to say that Lavin will pull the recruiting rabbit out of his to make this team competitive these next two years. If we don't land Diallo we have virtually no chance at an NCAA tourney this year or next
Say if he lands all of the other targets outside of Diallo? I never knew simply landing Diallo was imperative to going to the NCAA tournament next year or in 2017.
Again, I'm not taking up for Lavin, but some of these posts doesn't particularly make sense. Like someone stated (I believe it was boo), I wish the administration decide what they're going to do very shortly. Preferably, within another week.
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2 million to buy Lavin out according to Zach Braziller. Lot of cake for cheapo STJ to pony-up for someone to leave.
So it would cost more to buy him out of his last year on his contract than he would be payed to fulfill it? Doesn't sound right. Maybe the 2 mill was earlier on in the contract.
Doesn't sound right. Isn't his salary 1.6 Mil next season?
I'm betting the buyout is 1 MIL or less, or we had buffoons writing the contracts.
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Last year and this year were similar. I enjoyed both seasons. Was getting our ass kicked at mid night last Friday that awesome for some of you? I don't care who the coach is. I just want to enjoy a basketball season. Getting a new coach that takes 3 years just to get where we have been these last 5 years doesn't make any sense to me.
It's a major stretch to say that Lavin will pull the recruiting rabbit out of his to make this team competitive these next two years. If we don't land Diallo we have virtually no chance at an NCAA tourney this year or next
Say if he lands all of the other targets outside of Diallo? I never knew simply landing Diallo was imperative to going to the NCAA tournament next year or in 2017.
Again, I'm not taking up for Lavin, but some of these posts doesn't particularly make sense. Like someone stated (I believe it was boo), I wish the administration decide what they're going to do very shortly. Preferably, within another week.
If he lands all targets but Diallo we still dont make the tournament the next two years. People overestimate how good freshmen and sophomores are in college basketball. Unless the player is a top 10-15 recruit he will be nothing more than a role player his freshman season and will be between role player and go to guy in his sophomore season. In years 2 and 3 of the Lavin era we weren't very good because all the players were freshmen and sophomores despite them being 4 and 5 star recruits. I do not fault Lavin for that at all because I realize how hard it is for freshmen to come in and be very good college players right away.
Unless you are the Kentuckys and Dukes of the world you can't build a program by reloading with top freshmen every year. Please provide me with a realistic SJU roster that doesn't include Diallo that is going to make the tournament within the next 2 years
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Last year and this year were similar. I enjoyed both seasons. Was getting our ass kicked at mid night last Friday that awesome for some of you? I don't care who the coach is. I just want to enjoy a basketball season. Getting a new coach that takes 3 years just to get where we have been these last 5 years doesn't make any sense to me.
It's a major stretch to say that Lavin will pull the recruiting rabbit out of his to make this team competitive these next two years. If we don't land Diallo we have virtually no chance at an NCAA tourney this year or next
Say if he lands all of the other targets outside of Diallo? I never knew simply landing Diallo was imperative to going to the NCAA tournament next year or in 2017.
Again, I'm not taking up for Lavin, but some of these posts doesn't particularly make sense. Like someone stated (I believe it was boo), I wish the administration decide what they're going to do very shortly. Preferably, within another week.
If he lands all targets but Diallo we still dont make the tournament the next two years. People overestimate how good freshmen and sophomores are in college basketball. Unless the player is a top 10-15 recruit he will be nothing more than a role player his freshman season and will be between role player and go to guy in his sophomore season. In years 2 and 3 of the Lavin era we weren't very good because all the players were freshmen and sophomores despite them being 4 and 5 star recruits. I do not fault Lavin for that at all because I realize how hard it is for freshmen to come in and be very good college players right away.
Unless you are the Kentuckys and Dukes of the world you can't build a program by reloading with top freshmen every year. Please provide me with a realistic SJU roster that doesn't include Diallo that is going to make the tournament within the next 2 years
I'm not overestimating anything. Obviously, you're overestimating freshmen by saying, if he doesn't land Diallo, then he emphatically stating he won't make the tournament for two years. I've seen top 10-15 talent who still needs seasoning. Do I have to name some of those past player's for you?
Okay.... You want a roster that could be NCAA tournament-worthy without Diallo.... Here 'ya go:
Obekpa
Jordan
Sampson
Papagiannis
Mussini
LoVett
ADR
Ali
Benji Bell (JUCO from NW Florida)
Jalen Jackson (same school as Bell)
Doughty
Barnes Thompkins
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Last year and this year were similar. I enjoyed both seasons. Was getting our ass kicked at mid night last Friday that awesome for some of you? I don't care who the coach is. I just want to enjoy a basketball season. Getting a new coach that takes 3 years just to get where we have been these last 5 years doesn't make any sense to me.
It's a major stretch to say that Lavin will pull the recruiting rabbit out of his to make this team competitive these next two years. If we don't land Diallo we have virtually no chance at an NCAA tourney this year or next
Say if he lands all of the other targets outside of Diallo? I never knew simply landing Diallo was imperative to going to the NCAA tournament next year or in 2017.
Again, I'm not taking up for Lavin, but some of these posts doesn't particularly make sense. Like someone stated (I believe it was boo), I wish the administration decide what they're going to do very shortly. Preferably, within another week.
If he lands all targets but Diallo we still dont make the tournament the next two years. People overestimate how good freshmen and sophomores are in college basketball. Unless the player is a top 10-15 recruit he will be nothing more than a role player his freshman season and will be between role player and go to guy in his sophomore season. In years 2 and 3 of the Lavin era we weren't very good because all the players were freshmen and sophomores despite them being 4 and 5 star recruits. I do not fault Lavin for that at all because I realize how hard it is for freshmen to come in and be very good college players right away.
Unless you are the Kentuckys and Dukes of the world you can't build a program by reloading with top freshmen every year. Please provide me with a realistic SJU roster that doesn't include Diallo that is going to make the tournament within the next 2 years
I'm not overestimating anything. Obviously, you're overestimating freshmen by saying, if he doesn't land Diallo, then he emphatically stating he won't make the tournament for two years. I've seen top 10-15 talent who still needs seasoning. Do I have to name some of those past player's for you?
Okay.... You want a roster that could be NCAA tournament-worthy without Diallo.... Here 'ya go:
Obekpa
Jordan
Sampson
Papagiannis
Mussini
LoVett
ADR
Ali
Benji Bell (JUCO from NW Florida)
Jalen Jackson (same school as Bell)
Doughty
Barnes Thompkins
I highly disagree with the idea that that would be an NCAA tournament team. This year SHU had a couple veterans, one very good one in Sterling Gibbs, two freshmen better than anybody on that list, and other role playing freshmen. You can't tell me any pair of freshmen on your list would be better than Whitehead or Delgado.
That being said, we both know that won't be our roster next year. Lavin would have to shoot 100% on every recruit outside of Diallo and have both Obekpa and Jordan stay
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Last year and this year were similar. I enjoyed both seasons. Was getting our ass kicked at mid night last Friday that awesome for some of you? I don't care who the coach is. I just want to enjoy a basketball season. Getting a new coach that takes 3 years just to get where we have been these last 5 years doesn't make any sense to me.
It's a major stretch to say that Lavin will pull the recruiting rabbit out of his to make this team competitive these next two years. If we don't land Diallo we have virtually no chance at an NCAA tourney this year or next
Say if he lands all of the other targets outside of Diallo? I never knew simply landing Diallo was imperative to going to the NCAA tournament next year or in 2017.
Again, I'm not taking up for Lavin, but some of these posts doesn't particularly make sense. Like someone stated (I believe it was boo), I wish the administration decide what they're going to do very shortly. Preferably, within another week.
If he lands all targets but Diallo we still dont make the tournament the next two years. People overestimate how good freshmen and sophomores are in college basketball. Unless the player is a top 10-15 recruit he will be nothing more than a role player his freshman season and will be between role player and go to guy in his sophomore season. In years 2 and 3 of the Lavin era we weren't very good because all the players were freshmen and sophomores despite them being 4 and 5 star recruits. I do not fault Lavin for that at all because I realize how hard it is for freshmen to come in and be very good college players right away.
Unless you are the Kentuckys and Dukes of the world you can't build a program by reloading with top freshmen every year. Please provide me with a realistic SJU roster that doesn't include Diallo that is going to make the tournament within the next 2 years
I'm not overestimating anything. Obviously, you're overestimating freshmen by saying, if he doesn't land Diallo, then he emphatically stating he won't make the tournament for two years. I've seen top 10-15 talent who still needs seasoning. Do I have to name some of those past player's for you?
Okay.... You want a roster that could be NCAA tournament-worthy without Diallo.... Here 'ya go:
Obekpa
Jordan
Sampson
Papagiannis
Mussini
LoVett
ADR
Ali
Benji Bell (JUCO from NW Florida)
Jalen Jackson (same school as Bell)
Doughty
Barnes Thompkins
I highly disagree with the idea that that would be an NCAA tournament team. This year SHU had a couple veterans, one very good one in Sterling Gibbs, two freshmen better than anybody on that list, and other role playing freshmen. You can't tell me any pair of freshmen on your list would be better than Whitehead or Delgado.
That being said, we both know that won't be our roster next year. Lavin would have to shoot 100% on every recruit outside of Diallo and have both Obekpa and Jordan stay
Seton Hall's situation is irrelevant to ours. You asked me about a roster that would be NCAA tournament-worthy, and I gave you my opinion.
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Last year and this year were similar. I enjoyed both seasons. Was getting our ass kicked at mid night last Friday that awesome for some of you? I don't care who the coach is. I just want to enjoy a basketball season. Getting a new coach that takes 3 years just to get where we have been these last 5 years doesn't make any sense to me.
It's a major stretch to say that Lavin will pull the recruiting rabbit out of his to make this team competitive these next two years. If we don't land Diallo we have virtually no chance at an NCAA tourney this year or next
Say if he lands all of the other targets outside of Diallo? I never knew simply landing Diallo was imperative to going to the NCAA tournament next year or in 2017.
Again, I'm not taking up for Lavin, but some of these posts doesn't particularly make sense. Like someone stated (I believe it was boo), I wish the administration decide what they're going to do very shortly. Preferably, within another week.
If he lands all targets but Diallo we still dont make the tournament the next two years. People overestimate how good freshmen and sophomores are in college basketball. Unless the player is a top 10-15 recruit he will be nothing more than a role player his freshman season and will be between role player and go to guy in his sophomore season. In years 2 and 3 of the Lavin era we weren't very good because all the players were freshmen and sophomores despite them being 4 and 5 star recruits. I do not fault Lavin for that at all because I realize how hard it is for freshmen to come in and be very good college players right away.
Unless you are the Kentuckys and Dukes of the world you can't build a program by reloading with top freshmen every year. Please provide me with a realistic SJU roster that doesn't include Diallo that is going to make the tournament within the next 2 years
I'm not overestimating anything. Obviously, you're overestimating freshmen by saying, if he doesn't land Diallo, then he emphatically stating he won't make the tournament for two years. I've seen top 10-15 talent who still needs seasoning. Do I have to name some of those past player's for you?
Okay.... You want a roster that could be NCAA tournament-worthy without Diallo.... Here 'ya go:
Obekpa
Jordan
Sampson
Papagiannis
Mussini
LoVett
ADR
Ali
Benji Bell (JUCO from NW Florida)
Jalen Jackson (same school as Bell)
Doughty
Barnes Thompkins
I'd sign up for that right now. If Lavin had that secured he would have the extension
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Last year and this year were similar. I enjoyed both seasons. Was getting our ass kicked at mid night last Friday that awesome for some of you? I don't care who the coach is. I just want to enjoy a basketball season. Getting a new coach that takes 3 years just to get where we have been these last 5 years doesn't make any sense to me.
It's a major stretch to say that Lavin will pull the recruiting rabbit out of his to make this team competitive these next two years. If we don't land Diallo we have virtually no chance at an NCAA tourney this year or next
Say if he lands all of the other targets outside of Diallo? I never knew simply landing Diallo was imperative to going to the NCAA tournament next year or in 2017.
Again, I'm not taking up for Lavin, but some of these posts doesn't particularly make sense. Like someone stated (I believe it was boo), I wish the administration decide what they're going to do very shortly. Preferably, within another week.
If he lands all targets but Diallo we still dont make the tournament the next two years. People overestimate how good freshmen and sophomores are in college basketball. Unless the player is a top 10-15 recruit he will be nothing more than a role player his freshman season and will be between role player and go to guy in his sophomore season. In years 2 and 3 of the Lavin era we weren't very good because all the players were freshmen and sophomores despite them being 4 and 5 star recruits. I do not fault Lavin for that at all because I realize how hard it is for freshmen to come in and be very good college players right away.
Unless you are the Kentuckys and Dukes of the world you can't build a program by reloading with top freshmen every year. Please provide me with a realistic SJU roster that doesn't include Diallo that is going to make the tournament within the next 2 years
I'm not overestimating anything. Obviously, you're overestimating freshmen by saying, if he doesn't land Diallo, then he emphatically stating he won't make the tournament for two years. I've seen top 10-15 talent who still needs seasoning. Do I have to name some of those past player's for you?
Okay.... You want a roster that could be NCAA tournament-worthy without Diallo.... Here 'ya go:
Obekpa
Jordan
Sampson
Papagiannis
Mussini
LoVett
ADR
Ali
Benji Bell (JUCO from NW Florida)
Jalen Jackson (same school as Bell)
Doughty
Barnes Thompkins
I'd sign up for that right now. If Lavin had that secured he would have the extension
In your opinion, do you think that is an NCAA tournament roster, Chudster?
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If Jordan comes back I think we could be good. Definitely have a chance for the tournament.
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Last year and this year were similar. I enjoyed both seasons. Was getting our ass kicked at mid night last Friday that awesome for some of you? I don't care who the coach is. I just want to enjoy a basketball season. Getting a new coach that takes 3 years just to get where we have been these last 5 years doesn't make any sense to me.
It's a major stretch to say that Lavin will pull the recruiting rabbit out of his to make this team competitive these next two years. If we don't land Diallo we have virtually no chance at an NCAA tourney this year or next
Say if he lands all of the other targets outside of Diallo? I never knew simply landing Diallo was imperative to going to the NCAA tournament next year or in 2017.
Again, I'm not taking up for Lavin, but some of these posts doesn't particularly make sense. Like someone stated (I believe it was boo), I wish the administration decide what they're going to do very shortly. Preferably, within another week.
If he lands all targets but Diallo we still dont make the tournament the next two years. People overestimate how good freshmen and sophomores are in college basketball. Unless the player is a top 10-15 recruit he will be nothing more than a role player his freshman season and will be between role player and go to guy in his sophomore season. In years 2 and 3 of the Lavin era we weren't very good because all the players were freshmen and sophomores despite them being 4 and 5 star recruits. I do not fault Lavin for that at all because I realize how hard it is for freshmen to come in and be very good college players right away.
Unless you are the Kentuckys and Dukes of the world you can't build a program by reloading with top freshmen every year. Please provide me with a realistic SJU roster that doesn't include Diallo that is going to make the tournament within the next 2 years
I'm not overestimating anything. Obviously, you're overestimating freshmen by saying, if he doesn't land Diallo, then he emphatically stating he won't make the tournament for two years. I've seen top 10-15 talent who still needs seasoning. Do I have to name some of those past player's for you?
Okay.... You want a roster that could be NCAA tournament-worthy without Diallo.... Here 'ya go:
Obekpa
Jordan
Sampson
Papagiannis
Mussini
LoVett
ADR
Ali
Benji Bell (JUCO from NW Florida)
Jalen Jackson (same school as Bell)
Doughty
Barnes Thompkins
I'd sign up for that right now. If Lavin had that secured he would have the extension
In your opinion, do you think that is an NCAA tournament roster, Chudster?
Hard to say. I'm bullish on Mussini who would be an interesting fit next to sheed and sampson. Start obekpa at PF next to a 7' skilled center and I think we have something.
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So you guys are fine with once a 4 year Ncaa appearance?
You're going to need a bigger hook with all the bait you've been putting out lately.
What if St. John's made tournament last year? If they made 3 in 5 would we even be talking about this at all?
you think he's done Dave?
Don't know. As I've said previously if it were my choice I'd bring him back without question. Starting fresh would be major set back.
Agree with Dave. In 2010 when SJU was willing to spend $$$ on a coach, Donovan and Hewitt both declined and some thought we would be lucky to get Greenberg or Pecora. While Lavin is far from perfect he has brought in an upgrade in talent. Can't deny he is a "politician" but all of these coaches are. He could have signed Whitehead but wouldn't sell the program to do so. DLO said he "saved my life". I think those things count. By all accounts he did a great job recruiting Briscoe who even told some SJU players that he was coming here a day before he announces for Kentucky. Maybe Lavin trusted the Briscoe family too much but he should have had a back-up plan. Reports on Sampson is that he may be equal or better than DLO. Lavin recruited him for two+ years, doubtful he's coming here for a new coach. The other two commits sound like they can contribute for four years. Some bad recruiting choices by Lavin and some typical SJU "curse stuff" (cancer, DJ's broken leg, Chris this year, and a whole school involved in "phony transcripts" - Thomas) all contributed to the disappointing ending of the last few seasons. I would still go with Lavin over a guy who was ready to jump to South Florida, lied about his diploma and had to go back to a job that he resigned from. I know that "money talks" but the thought that Repole may get to pick the coach because of $$$ just bothers me.
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@NYPost_Brazille: St. John's remains silent as Steve Lavin rumors fly. http://t.co/ySfVjEiGLE #sjubb
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Quote in the article: “Either we want to invest five more years in him or start over. It’s pretty simple.”
That would be simple if St. John's gets only a 1 year buyout the length of the extension. If it costs too much, it screws up future decisions if needed
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So you guys are fine with once a 4 year Ncaa appearance?
You're going to need a bigger hook with all the bait you've been putting out lately.
What if St. John's made tournament last year? If they made 3 in 5 would we even be talking about this at all?
But we didn't.
All this is, is what ifs
You like to speak in certainties... As if the new coach will certainly do better than Lavin!!! Nice crystal ball
You're doing the same in thinking a new coach couldn't do better
It doesn't work that way guy. The other is a known quantity.
Sure it does Fordham. Even if I grant you that Lavin is a slightly above average coach, you don't know that Hurley or Pitino Jr or Mullin wouldn't be better.
You just know what Lavin is.
But no one should act like they know coach x or coach y will do better here. Too many unknowns and variables.
Also, just as an aside, I don't see what the rush is. Sure, the school shouldn't wait 3 months, I understand that. But it makes next to no difference whether they have another meeting next week and announce a decision 3 weeks from now, or if they do it tomorrow. As long as a decision is made this spring, things will be fine. Rushing just leads to poor decisions.
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So you guys are fine with once a 4 year Ncaa appearance?
You're going to need a bigger hook with all the bait you've been putting out lately.
What if St. John's made tournament last year? If they made 3 in 5 would we even be talking about this at all?
But we didn't.
All this is, is what ifs
You like to speak in certainties... As if the new coach will certainly do better than Lavin!!! Nice crystal ball
You're doing the same in thinking a new coach couldn't do better
It doesn't work that way guy. The other is a known quantity.
Sure it does Fordham. Even if I grant you that Lavin is a slightly above average coach, you don't know that Hurley or Pitino Jr or Mullin wouldn't be better.
You just know what Lavin is.
But no one should act like they know coach x or coach y will do better here. Too many unknowns and variables.
Also, just as an aside, I don't see what the rush is. Sure, the school shouldn't wait 3 months, I understand that. But it makes next to no difference whether they have another meeting next week and announce a decision 3 weeks from now, or if they do it tomorrow. As long as a decision is made this spring, things will be fine. Rushing just leads to poor decisions.
Desco you lose me with this one. Wait 3 weeks and miss out on many candidates being cobbled up by other schools. Decision should have been made and if it is too extend just say we are in contract negotiations with Lavin.
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So you guys are fine with once a 4 year Ncaa appearance?
You're going to need a bigger hook with all the bait you've been putting out lately.
What if St. John's made tournament last year? If they made 3 in 5 would we even be talking about this at all?
But we didn't.
All this is, is what ifs
You like to speak in certainties... As if the new coach will certainly do better than Lavin!!! Nice crystal ball
You're doing the same in thinking a new coach couldn't do better
It doesn't work that way guy. The other is a known quantity.
Sure it does Fordham. Even if I grant you that Lavin is a slightly above average coach, you don't know that Hurley or Pitino Jr or Mullin wouldn't be better.
You just know what Lavin is.
But no one should act like they know coach x or coach y will do better here. Too many unknowns and variables.
Also, just as an aside, I don't see what the rush is. Sure, the school shouldn't wait 3 months, I understand that. But it makes next to no difference whether they have another meeting next week and announce a decision 3 weeks from now, or if they do it tomorrow. As long as a decision is made this spring, things will be fine. Rushing just leads to poor decisions.
Desco you lose me with this one. Wait 3 weeks and miss out on many candidates being cobbled up by other schools. Decision should have been made and if it is too extend just say we are in contract negotiations with Lavin.
Agree
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If u could have lavin....Diallo.....Jordan and CO back...Sampson...a legit point quard recruit and a legit JUCO big man, would you still want Coach Lavin dumped?
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So you guys are fine with once a 4 year Ncaa appearance?
You're going to need a bigger hook with all the bait you've been putting out lately.
What if St. John's made tournament last year? If they made 3 in 5 would we even be talking about this at all?
you think he's done Dave?
Don't know. As I've said previously if it were my choice I'd bring him back without question. Starting fresh would be major set back.
you had said couple of weeks ago, less money more years. will if Albano is to be believed, it appears that's what Lavin has proposed.
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If u could have lavin....Diallo.....Jordan and CO back...Sampson...a legit point quard recruit and a legit JUCO big man, would you still want Coach Lavin dumped?
How can anyone answer that when you're still missing two names there.
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Oh and Moose would be back as a regular poster .....and ?
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Oh and Moose would be back as a regular poster .....and ?
Huh?
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Steve is here for the long term fellas.
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2015-03-25/steve-lavin-fired-coaching-st-johns-contract-red-storm-ncaa-tournament?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR17nyHLr9k
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Steve is here for the long term fellas.
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2015-03-25/steve-lavin-fired-coaching-st-johns-contract-red-storm-ncaa-tournament?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR17nyHLr9k
Steve is here for the long term fellas.
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2015-03-25/steve-lavin-fired-coaching-st-johns-contract-red-storm-ncaa-tournament?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR17nyHLr9k
There haven't been any contract negotiations yet. So that article is just false.
Could there be talks beginning an hour from now? Or starting next week? Sure.
But nobody has talked to him about an extension Quanman. So let's stop the BS
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That is simply Lavin's agent firing back at Repole and other anonymous "sources close to the program" who have been feeding leaks to Zags and Zach.
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That is simply Lavin's agent firing back at Repole and other anonymous "sources close to the program" who have been feeding leaks to Zags and Zach.
Agreed
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Sporting News @sportingnews 5m5 minutes ago
Source to @tsnmike: St. John's is in negotiations with Steve Lavin about a contract extension. http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2015-03-25/steve-lavin-fired-coaching-st-johns-contract-red-storm-ncaa-tournament?eadid=SOC/Twi/SNMain …
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No one knows...you...me....Baldi.....no one knows. My "guess" is there have been "discussions" and "talks" if not negotiations for a very long time...off and on.
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So there is that... Back to your regularly scheduled nonsense.
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Steve is here for the long term fellas.
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2015-03-25/steve-lavin-fired-coaching-st-johns-contract-red-storm-ncaa-tournament?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR17nyHLr9k
Steve is here for the long term fellas.
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2015-03-25/steve-lavin-fired-coaching-st-johns-contract-red-storm-ncaa-tournament?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR17nyHLr9k
There haven't been any contract negotiations yet. So that article is just false.
Could there be talks beginning an hour from now? Or starting next week? Sure.
But nobody has talked to him about an extension Quanman. So let's stop the BS
You or the Sporting News take a guess
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No one knows...you...me....Baldi.....no one knows. My "guess" is there have been "discussions" and "talks" if not negotiations for a very long time...off and on.
There haven't been discussions on and off for a very long time. That much I know with about as much certainty as you can know anything second-hand.
Could they have started today? Possible, I guess.
But whether I like Lavin or not, throw that aside for minute. There really haven't been negotiations or talks up until now. And in all likelihood the school hasnt even decided what they're going to do.
So the this Sporting News story is a rumor/leak from Lavin's agent. And I say that without any bias towards what I hope happens in our coaching situation, I just think that's the situation on the ground as they say.
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Heard it's bascially a done deal. Lavin will be here for awhile.
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DeCourcey is a well respected college hoops writer.. He's not reporting garbage or BS..
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That makes sense....
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The article doesn't say he's getting an extension. It says media outlets are reporting his job is in danger, but that an extension could be complete by next week.
Well, that certainly clears everything up. This is a non-story, story.
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It was a good fight @Desco
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Desco...maybe you can still get a contract clause in there about his attire.
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The article doesn't say he's getting an extension. It says media outlets are reporting his job is in danger, but that an extension could be complete by next week.
Well, that certainly clears everything up. This is a non-story, story.
I think the writer mean despite what is being said in the media it seems like they are talking about a contract extension. I don't love Lavin, I like him more then most here but that isnt saying much. That is my read on the article but I could be off
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The article doesn't say he's getting an extension. It says media outlets are reporting his job is in danger, but that an extension could be complete by next week.
Well, that certainly clears everything up. This is a non-story, story.
I think the writer mean despite what is being said in the media it seems like they are talking about a contract extension. I don't love Lavin, I like him more then most here but that isnt saying much. That is my read on the article but I could be off
Actually, most here like him as much as you do, Wods. Didn't you see the poll? That might be what tipped Gerampisaw to the keep Lavin camp. Thanks, Desco.
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A real back fire,...unintended consequence.
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It was a good fight @Desco
I'm not wrong.
As of this morning there had been no contract talks with Lavin. That is a fact.
So unless they decided today to keep him, and he agreed in principle to their terms... this is just a leak and posturing.
Now, that's not to say the school couldn't make a decision tomorrow or next week to keep Lavin. They could.
I was told this morning no decision had been made, people were waiting to see what president G wanted to do, and no one had talked to Lavin about an extension yet.
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who is "they"
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DeCourcey's source(s) is not Lavin or his agent.
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I like how DeCourcey is "favorite" - ing tweets where Zach B is doubting his story... Lol.
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It was a good fight @Desco
I'm not wrong.
As of this morning there had been no contract talks with Lavin. That is a fact.
So unless they decided today to keep him, and he agreed in principle to their terms... this is just a leak and posturing.
Now, that's not to say the school couldn't make a decision tomorrow or next week to keep Lavin. They could.
I was told this morning no decision had been made, people were waiting to see what president G wanted to do, and no one had talked to Lavin about an extension yet.
I'm hearing the complete opposite. I guess we will eventually find out.
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It was a good fight @Desco
I'm not wrong.
As of this morning there had been no contract talks with Lavin. That is a fact.
So unless they decided today to keep him, and he agreed in principle to their terms... this is just a leak and posturing.
Now, that's not to say the school couldn't make a decision tomorrow or next week to keep Lavin. They could.
I was told this morning no decision had been made, people were waiting to see what president G wanted to do, and no one had talked to Lavin about an extension yet.
I know that they have.
Also I know Lavin's agent. Not really his style to utilize media and DeCourcey wouldn't be his go-to guy. He has bigger names if he really wanted to get something out.
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It was a good fight @Desco
I'm not wrong.
As of this morning there had been no contract talks with Lavin. That is a fact.
So unless they decided today to keep him, and he agreed in principle to their terms... this is just a leak and posturing.
Now, that's not to say the school couldn't make a decision tomorrow or next week to keep Lavin. They could.
I was told this morning no decision had been made, people were waiting to see what president G wanted to do, and no one had talked to Lavin about an extension yet.
I'm hearing the complete opposite. I guess we will eventually find out.
There were contract talks before today?
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It was a good fight @Desco
I'm not wrong.
As of this morning there had been no contract talks with Lavin. That is a fact.
So unless they decided today to keep him, and he agreed in principle to their terms... this is just a leak and posturing.
Now, that's not to say the school couldn't make a decision tomorrow or next week to keep Lavin. They could.
I was told this morning no decision had been made, people were waiting to see what president G wanted to do, and no one had talked to Lavin about an extension yet.
I'm hearing the complete opposite. I guess we will eventually find out.
There were contract talks before today?
Last year. Remember? Lavin said so
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It was a good fight @Desco
I'm not wrong.
As of this morning there had been no contract talks with Lavin. That is a fact.
So unless they decided today to keep him, and he agreed in principle to their terms... this is just a leak and posturing.
Now, that's not to say the school couldn't make a decision tomorrow or next week to keep Lavin. They could.
I was told this morning no decision had been made, people were waiting to see what president G wanted to do, and no one had talked to Lavin about an extension yet.
I'm hearing the complete opposite. I guess we will eventually find out.
There were contract talks before today?
Is it possible that they just decided, say late last night, that they would retain Lavin? Today they are hammering out the details based on a proposal that was previously drawn up, but not negotiated?
I'm indifferent to be honest.. If we Keep Lavin I don't see him here for more than 2-3 more years, enough time to hopefully fix the roster mess and get some more talent..
5 year extension with a buyout option after year 3 is what I'm saying..
There are always flavor of the month coaching candidates every year.. I have zero FOMO with these coaches today/this season..
If they fire him...So be it.. New beginnings are exciting for me as a fan.. I find it crazy how militant some people are about it.. Lighten up. It's a lousy basketball team we have been cursed to root for..
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It was a good fight @Desco
I'm not wrong.
As of this morning there had been no contract talks with Lavin. That is a fact.
So unless they decided today to keep him, and he agreed in principle to their terms... this is just a leak and posturing.
Now, that's not to say the school couldn't make a decision tomorrow or next week to keep Lavin. They could.
I was told this morning no decision had been made, people were waiting to see what president G wanted to do, and no one had talked to Lavin about an extension yet.
I'm hearing the complete opposite. I guess we will eventually find out.
There were contract talks before today?
Is it possible that they just decided, say late last night, that they would retain Lavin? Today they are hammering out the details based on a proposal that was previously drawn up, but not negotiated?
I'm indifferent to be honest.. If we Keep Lavin I don't see him here for more than 2-3 more years, enough time to hopefully fix the roster mess and get some more talent..
5 year extension with a buyout option after year 3 is what I'm saying..
There are always flavor of the month coaching candidates every year.. I have zero FOMO with these coaches today/this season..
If they fire him...So be it.. New beginnings is exciting for me as a fan.. I find it crazy how militant some people are about it.. Lighten up. It's a lousy basketball team we have been cursed to root for..
Yes, that's possible. And wouldn't contradict what I heard.
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It was a good fight @Desco
I'm not wrong.
As of this morning there had been no contract talks with Lavin. That is a fact.
So unless they decided today to keep him, and he agreed in principle to their terms... this is just a leak and posturing.
Now, that's not to say the school couldn't make a decision tomorrow or next week to keep Lavin. They could.
I was told this morning no decision had been made, people were waiting to see what president G wanted to do, and no one had talked to Lavin about an extension yet.
I'm hearing the complete opposite. I guess we will eventually find out.
There were contract talks before today?
Not sure, but would think somethings were talked about. Was told it's a done deal. He will be here for awhile.
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A lot of people with sources all of a sudden? Huh
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It was a good fight @Desco
I'm not wrong.
As of this morning there had been no contract talks with Lavin. That is a fact.
So unless they decided today to keep him, and he agreed in principle to their terms... this is just a leak and posturing.
Now, that's not to say the school couldn't make a decision tomorrow or next week to keep Lavin. They could.
I was told this morning no decision had been made, people were waiting to see what president G wanted to do, and no one had talked to Lavin about an extension yet.
I'm hearing the complete opposite. I guess we will eventually find out.
There were contract talks before today?
Last year. Remember? Lavin said so
That was probably as foolish as someone saying it was a done deal that he was gone in March '14.
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Ok...there was no negotiation? But there was a proposal? What about i'm sorry my info was wrong....I won't trust my "source" next time.
Of course....we still don't know the truth...no one knows not me...not baldi...not Desco...when we know we know.
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School would have let him go by now if that was their intentions. Doesn't help them find a replacement stringing it along. They are in negotiations with Lavin for an extension. Lavin has no better alternative so he will return.
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I wish Old Red was here. He always got his information first hand, by walking around campus. By the way, they are frequent groping incidents on or around campus. I'm not suggesting anything!
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I wish Old Red was here. He always got his information first hand, by walking around campus. By the way, they are frequent groping incidents on or around campus. I'm not suggesting anything!
I think he's on redmen
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I wish Old Red was here. He always got his information first hand, by walking around campus. By the way, they are frequent groping incidents on or around campus. I'm not suggesting anything!
I miss Old Red, had a lot of private messages with him over the years, he just could never control himself lol
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The article doesn't say he's getting an extension. It says media outlets are reporting his job is in danger, but that an extension could be complete by next week.
Well, that certainly clears everything up. This is a non-story, story.
I think the writer mean despite what is being said in the media it seems like they are talking about a contract extension. I don't love Lavin, I like him more then most here but that isnt saying much. That is my read on the article but I could be off
Actually, most here like him as much as you do, Wods. Didn't you see the poll? That might be what tipped Gerampisaw to the keep Lavin camp. Thanks, Desco.
If admin is reading the boards, I want them all fired. ;D
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School would have let him go by now if that was their intentions. Doesn't help them find a replacement stringing it along. They are in negotiations with Lavin for an extension. Lavin has no better alternative so he will return.
I really believe coach loves being at St. John's and NYC.
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A lot of people with sources all of a sudden? Huh
Don't worry there not as good as the ones you create
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A lot of people with sources all of a sudden? Huh
Done worry there not as good as the one you create
What language is this?
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Zags
St. John's University spokesman says there is nothing to announce at this time.
2:47pm - 25 Mar 15
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It was a good fight @Desco
I'm not wrong.
As of this morning there had been no contract talks with Lavin. That is a fact.
So unless they decided today to keep him, and he agreed in principle to their terms... this is just a leak and posturing.
Now, that's not to say the school couldn't make a decision tomorrow or next week to keep Lavin. They could.
I was told this morning no decision had been made, people were waiting to see what president G wanted to do, and no one had talked to Lavin about an extension yet.
I'm hearing the complete opposite. I guess we will eventually find out.
There were contract talks before today?
Not sure, but would think somethings were talked about. Was told it's a done deal. He will be here for awhile.
Interesting, ok. If that's what they decide, then so be it. I hope he signs Chiek and a few of the euros.
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Until it's done and announced ...it's not done....but.......
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It was a good fight @Desco
I'm not wrong.
As of this morning there had been no contract talks with Lavin. That is a fact.
So unless they decided today to keep him, and he agreed in principle to their terms... this is just a leak and posturing.
Now, that's not to say the school couldn't make a decision tomorrow or next week to keep Lavin. They could.
I was told this morning no decision had been made, people were waiting to see what president G wanted to do, and no one had talked to Lavin about an extension yet.
I'm hearing the complete opposite. I guess we will eventually find out.
There were contract talks before today?
Not sure, but would think somethings were talked about. Was told it's a done deal. He will be here for awhile.
Interesting, ok. If that's what they decide, then so be it. I hope he signs Chiek and a few of the euros.
I had to take my words back after Lavin finally brought a few European players here. Problem is, I want them to have potential like a Cekovsky or Bender at MD. Bender isn't 4 star material, but like Cekovsky (who was further along than Bender before entering college), they will develop nicely over four years.
I want to see those types of bigs to supplement the bigger recruits. That should be part of the recruiting mission moving forward. And I'll tell you where to find them for a puncher's chance of success - Baltimore. UMD still doesn't heavily recruit Baltimore for a slew of old reasons, and GTown doesn't do major damage there either. To date, I haven't seen any involvement with Baltimore players from the staff. Guys like WV's Daxter Miles (Dunbar) would have possibly considered St. John's (just an example - he may have been contacted for all I know). We need to find another Bootsy down there - it's been tooo long. The travel distance is very good for guys to get away, but be close to home as we know with the NYC/Philly back and forth that Nova has made hay with for decades.
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@RogRubin: Steve Lavin and St. John's are in conversations related to a possible extension.
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@RogRubin: Steve Lavin and St. John's are in conversations related to a possible extension.
Good. Just get it over with already. Hopefully its done before he sees Diallo tomorrow.
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@RogRubin: Steve Lavin and St. John's are in conversations related to a possible extension.
Good. Just get it over with already. Hopefully its done before he sees Diallo tomorrow.
and if it's not a done deal, make an announcement that you're working on it. ala Hurley and Buffalo.
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exactly
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Looking forward a little bit, assuming they do re-sign lavin. A lot of the rhetoric on here has been to the effect of "we already know what lavin can do" i.e., he's peaked. My question is, is that true? I think Lavin did a poor job recruiting last year (and the year before that), which left the team with no bigs, and I think he could do better than he has shown. Remember, he came to a team that had been terrible for 6 years under norm, and managed 3 20-win seasons and 2 ncaa tournaments out of five years. If he's able to land a few studs and fill out the rest of the team with good players, I could see him getting us to 2 sweet sixteens over the next 5 years. Heck, I think he could have done that this year if he had another decent big, or two. I would be satisfied with that, some of you would call that "accepting mediocrity." I would love to be playing on thursday, and I think lavin gives us a decent chance of doing that a couple of times over the next 5 or so years.
It's kind of funny, because if you see the ovation he gets at games, I would probably be closer to the "dislike" on the lavin spectrum, because I am upset with how he handled recruiting the past couple of years, but on here it's just the opposite.
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Looking forward a little bit, assuming they do re-sign lavin. A lot of the rhetoric on here has been to the effect of "we already know what lavin can do" i.e., he's peaked. My question is, is that true?
If Lavin gets an extension for sucking, where's the incentive to get better? He feels "no pressure to win" and gets an extension and that lights a fire under his ass? No. He'll get worse. Assuming that' s possible. He's likely to coach in a bathrobe.
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Looking forward a little bit, assuming they do re-sign lavin. A lot of the rhetoric on here has been to the effect of "we already know what lavin can do" i.e., he's peaked. My question is, is that true?
If Lavin gets an extension for sucking, where's the incentive to get better? He feels "no pressure to win" and gets an extension and that lights a fire under his ass? No. He'll get worse. Assuming that' s possible. He's likely to coach in a bathrobe.
Please don't bring logic and common sense into this
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ApesNapes, the ones who would call that "accepting mediocrity" are those exceptional people, "Captains of Industry", who take time out of their busy day to grace us with their presence and share their superior knowledge about basketball and the most elite of basketball programs (back when the NIT was the real national championship) with us.
We're not worthy. We're not worthy!
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If Lavin gets an extension for sucking, where's the incentive to get better? He feels "no pressure to win" and gets an extension and that lights a fire under his ass? No. He'll get worse. Assuming that' s possible. He's likely to coach in a bathrobe.
Hopefully it isn't one from the Westin Convention Center Hotel
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Apes, that's definitely not mediocrity. I would sign up for that today.
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Desco, seriously what is your source saying now? Anythiing new?
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Just remember, as Yogi said, it ain't over till the Fat Lady sings! Where is Linda when you need her ;)
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Looking forward a little bit, assuming they do re-sign lavin. A lot of the rhetoric on here has been to the effect of "we already know what lavin can do" i.e., he's peaked. My question is, is that true? I think Lavin did a poor job recruiting last year (and the year before that), which left the team with no bigs, and I think he could do better than he has shown. Remember, he came to a team that had been terrible for 6 years under norm, and managed 3 20-win seasons and 2 ncaa tournaments out of five years. If he's able to land a few studs and fill out the rest of the team with good players, I could see him getting us to 2 sweet sixteens over the next 5 years. Heck, I think he could have done that this year if he had another decent big, or two. I would be satisfied with that, some of you would call that "accepting mediocrity." I would love to be playing on thursday, and I think lavin gives us a decent chance of doing that a couple of times over the next 5 or so years.
It's kind of funny, because if you see the ovation he gets at games, I would probably be closer to the "dislike" on the lavin spectrum, because I am upset with how he handled recruiting the past couple of years, but on here it's just the opposite.
Nobody would call 2 sweet 16s in 5 years mediocrity. That's far better than mediocrity. What Lavin has been over the past 5 years is the definition of mediocrity, and I personally don't think he can do better
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Apes, that's definitely not mediocrity. I would sign up for that today.
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Looking forward a little bit, assuming they do re-sign lavin. A lot of the rhetoric on here has been to the effect of "we already know what lavin can do" i.e., he's peaked. My question is, is that true?
If Lavin gets an extension for sucking, where's the incentive to get better? He feels "no pressure to win" and gets an extension and that lights a fire under his ass? No. He'll get worse. Assuming that' s possible. He's likely to coach in a bathrobe.
Perfect image - under the radar coaching - Steve "The Chin" Gigante Lavin
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Desco, seriously what is your source saying now? Anythiing new?
Check your PM, but not somebody i would just call up out of the blue.
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Apes, that's definitely not mediocrity. I would sign up for that today.
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ApesNapes posted above that he thought Lavin could get us to two sweet sixteens in the next 5 seasons, but said most of us would still consider that mediocre.
i don't think so at all, that would certainly be a big success.
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Agree with those posters saying that Lavin is not getting any bettter. These same deficiencies in his x's & o's, in-game coaching and adjustments will be exposed year after year. Add to that his recruiting classes have gotten worse each year and the fact that they're targeting many guys who end up not qualifying is a recipe for disaster. Next year's team will be lucky to win 15 games. He's made high level money here and not produced high level results.
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Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille Los Angeles, CA
Steve Lavin and St. John's deep into three-year contract extension talks, per sources: http://nyp.st/1Oz6A9P #sjubb
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A lot of people with sources all of a sudden? Huh
Not as good as yours obviously...
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Lowballing
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Nailed it again Baldi... On fire lately.
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Anything short of the elite 8 is a failure. St Johns is still the elite program in NYC and we need someone who can sell it.
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Anything short of the elite 8 is a failure. St Johns is still the elite program in NYC and we need someone who can sell it.
Lol! We've made the elite eight once in 30 years! Some of you are delusional.
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Sources are all starting to say the same thing, which generally means there's some truth to it. Looks like coach Lavin might be returning
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If it's true, I hope we can all get back on the same side and root for the team to be a success.
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Something I wondered last few years ... does he even want to be here? I got the vibe he was itching to leave if possible.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Credit to @tsnmike, who broke news hours ago about Steve Lavin extension talks. I doubted them, I was wrong.
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Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille Los Angeles, CA
Steve Lavin and St. John's deep into three-year contract extension talks, per sources: http://nyp.st/1Oz6A9P (http://nyp.st/1Oz6A9P) #sjubb
3 years, with only one year buyout at any point, and I'm fine. I just don't want the school to be hemmed in where they don't have the money for a complete buyout after year 2. I'm guessing it will be very close if not the same salary with a lot more incentives. That's where a sober approach on both sides will head.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Credit to @tsnmike, who broke news hours ago about Steve Lavin extension talks. I doubted them, I was wrong.
I doubt everything - lol
BTW - love the new profile image
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Something I wondered last few years ... does he even want to be here? I got the vibe he was itching to leave if possible.
"I'm a poor conference tournament coach". Ya let's give this guy an extension
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Monash just get axed?
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Can Coaches sign an incentive-laden contract? Like base salary $1.4M but $500K bonus if you make NCAA kind of thing?
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Monash just get axed?
Promoted
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Monash just get axed?
Promoted
Hahahaha.
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If Lavin stays, he better bring in a good bench coach or it will be more of the same dumbfoundedness coming from the sideline.
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Monash just get axed?
Promoted
This is like a Seinfeld episode
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If the extension is true, then I would agree that it is time to stop harping on the issue and move on for now.
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Anything short of the elite 8 is a failure. St Johns is still the elite program in NYC and we need someone who can sell it.
Lol! We've made the elite eight once in 30 years! Some of you are delusional.
And maybe would not have had that if Obinna Ekezie didn't tear his achilles 2 games before the tourney. I think the Terps would have gone to Final Four that year.
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Anything short of the elite 8 is a failure. St Johns is still the elite program in NYC and we need someone who can sell it.
Lol! We've made the elite eight once in 30 years! Some of you are delusional.
And maybe would not have had that if Obinna Ekezie didn't tear his achilles 2 games before the tourney. I think the Terps would have gone to Final Four that year.
Dunno. SJU was near perfect that game. I couldn't believe my own eyes.
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Anything short of the elite 8 is a failure. St Johns is still the elite program in NYC and we need someone who can sell it.
Lol! We've made the elite eight once in 30 years! Some of you are delusional.
And maybe would not have had that if Obinna Ekezie didn't tear his achilles 2 games before the tourney. I think the Terps would have gone to Final Four that year.
And maybe we go to the Final Four in 2011 if DJ doesnt tear his ACL - lets remember the 8 seed made it out of our bracket that year (though I can't imagine Lavin outcoaching Brad Stevens).
Pointless playing the What If game.
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Anything short of the elite 8 is a failure. St Johns is still the elite program in NYC and we need someone who can sell it.
Lol! We've made the elite eight once in 30 years! Some of you are delusional.
And maybe would not have had that if Obinna Ekezie didn't tear his achilles 2 games before the tourney. I think the Terps would have gone to Final Four that year.
Dunno. SJU was near perfect that game. I couldn't believe my own eyes.
Yes they were terrific. Including this year, the committee has been screwing over both my squads, but the '99 placement was a killer for me - hated knowing one of two really good teams was going home that day. Gary williams has said that he really thought they were going all the way if Obinna didn't get hurt, which is rare for him to say regarding some of his teams.
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When Coach Lavin's extension is formally announced I just hope that the posters who have trashed the coach and his program support the team as aggressively as they hoped for his firing.
When this over, you are either a fan or not..!!
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When Coach Lavin's extension is formally announced I just hope that the posters who have trashed the coach and his program support the team as aggressively as they hoped for his firing.
When this over, you are either a fan or not..!!
+1 great post
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Did the school announce anything yet?
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@AdamZagoria
Steve Lavin's discussed extension at St. John's is not for 3 years, but 4 or 5, source tells @SNYtv
Also, Lavin did not meet today with President Conrado “Bobby” Gempesaw, per source.
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Nope
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I want to hear the reasoning
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I want to hear the reasoning
If there's no 1 year salary buyout after year two or three, it's not a good idea. I'm fine with the extension, I just don't want to see exposure for more or else Admin might never make a move for the duration because of money concerns.
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When Coach Lavin's extension is formally announced I just hope that the posters who have trashed the coach and his program support the team as aggressively as they hoped for his firing.
When this over, you are either a fan or not..!!
Very true
I'll support the extension and Coach Lavin
However I just want a program that doesn't have all the drama that we have seen since the summer of 2011.
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+1 sju89tr
I was in favor of a change, as I've expressed to Baldi and others.
If he's back, I'll obviously support Coach and the team. But please let's be done with the all of the drama we have seen post 2011. I know that is unavoidable to an extent, but maybe the staff can learn from the past a bit. Too much to ask?
Start working on convincing Jordan and Obekpa that it is in their long term best interests to stay with the program and improve NBA chances.
And I'd like to see the staff - especially Lavin - get back to recruiting their arses off. The first few years it seemed that we not only had a recruiting plan, but that we were working our tail off to get players. Let's see that again. Don't be freaking invisible in NY; embrace the local schools, because even if we don't get the big fish, there are seemingly always solid 4 years kids who go elsewhere who we ignore. And keep getting on the radar nationally of top 30-75 kids -- at multiple positions (not just guards). We are likely going to miss out on most of the big fish, but I do believe with effort this staff can land balanced rosters and quality talent every year, without chasing at the last second and ending up with a small forward playing C.
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+1 sju89tr
I was in favor of a change, as I've expressed to Baldi and others.
If he's back, I'll obviously support Coach and the team. But please let's be done with the all of the drama we have seen post 2011. I know that is unavoidable to an extent, but maybe the staff can learn from the past a bit. Too much to ask?
Start working on convincing Jordan and Obekpa that it is in their long term best interests to stay with the program and improve NBA chances.
And I'd like to see the staff - especially Lavin - get back to recruiting their arses off. The first few years it seemed that we not only had a recruiting plan, but that we were working our tail off to get players. Let's see that again. Don't be freaking invisible in NY; embrace the local schools, because even if we don't get the big fish, there are seemingly always solid 4 years kids who go elsewhere who we ignore. And keep getting on the radar nationally of top 30-75 kids -- at multiple positions (not just guards). We are likely going to miss out on most of the big fish, but I do believe with effort this staff can land balanced rosters and quality talent every year, without chasing at the last second and ending up with a small forward playing C.
There is nothing wrong with bringing in 4 year guys like Doughty and Barnes-Thompkins to develop to be rotational guys, every program needs them.
We don't necessarily need a starting 5 of all Top 50 kids
Take the Louie approach of landing a stud every few years then a group of guys who contribute in a 8 man rotation. Kind of the Villanova approach.
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When Coach Lavin's extension is formally announced I just hope that the posters who have trashed the coach and his program support the team as aggressively as they hoped for his firing.
When this over, you are either a fan or not..!!
How happy you going to be if he can't get bigs who can play? Four guards and a wing was hard to take for many fans who love SJU hoops.
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Right. And balance. Nova has a true Center, a legit (albeit smaller) PF, Jenkins who can play the 4 if needed and a guy like Hart who plays much bigger than his size and allows them to go small. Not to mention another PF who didn't play much this year but who has game.
People think of them as Guard U - and they have had great guards - but they also have balance and depth.
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When Coach Lavin's extension is formally announced I just hope that the posters who have trashed the coach and his program support the team as aggressively as they hoped for his firing.
When this over, you are either a fan or not..!!
How happy you going to be if he can't get bigs who can play? Four guards and a wing was hard to take for many fans who love SJU hoops.
Lavin signing won't ease any doubts and may in fact only inflame them. How Lavin recruits over these last two may calm down or enrage the people looking for change...
-the good news if he stays there is stability to the program
-Lavin actially wants to be here so there is no worries about pulling a "Fran"
-The process of this extension should make things clear that the adminstatration is not 100% sold on him, and some of the shenigians that went on during his first five years won't be tolerated.
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When Coach Lavin's extension is formally announced I just hope that the posters who have trashed the coach and his program support the team as aggressively as they hoped for his firing.
When this over, you are either a fan or not..!!
You mean the people on this board who suffered through 6 years of Norm Roberts? Those are the people who you're talking about? You donate money to St.John's? For how long? How many decades? How many zeroes? Do even buy season tickets? Pay a Red/White club annual fee?
If so, stand proudly on your soapbox. You have every right to. If not, kindly get off, and stop talking. Attitudes and expectations like yours are the reason why MSG is half empty for BE games. This is an amateur sport, but they keep score. Winning matters. Like it or not. He's got his work cut out for him, and while I of course hope he succeeds, he's left quite a hole for himself next season.
And no, he's not entitled to a rebuilding year, after building next to nothing the last 4 years.
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In a show of mass protest, dozens of fans gather and...change their screen names.
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Whether its Randall, Papagiannis, Mussinni…or the likes of a 2016 (Ray Salnave/Shamorie Ponds/Gibbs)…I'm expecting a couple of quick commits within a couple of days to 2weeks post-extension.
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If he's here to stay we have to support him. Buffalo is too far of a drive for a college game.
It would be refreshing if after the contract situation is settled that Lavin be given credit for getting the team back to the NCAA tournament. Win or lose, albeit not what we expected or wanted, it means something.
Still, with the good, there were undeniable problems, too. What would also be refreshing is to see Lavin own up to some of things he's had trouble with like managing his own program, and keeping/getting players eligible. Lavin does some things really well. That much is true, but after 5 years, and a new contract, it's only fair that he share with us that some of his concerns about the program are the same ones we've been fairly griping about.
If he tells us, Keith Thomas was an isolated incident. Nothing we could have done about it, that tells me, he hasn't learned how to be a better leader. I'd like to hear how they plan to address this going forward? They may have actually had a system in place, but it should be completely obvious to the staff that their system doesn't work.
His presser will be telling, because it would be a great time for him to be frank with us. When you sell us a #2 recruiting class and it fails miserably, it makes us mad. When you own up to why it failed, and take some responsibility for it, you don't make the problem go away, but you do gain credibility.
Lavin spoke constantly about the development of his seniors. Now it's his turn.
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So today's meeting was year in review. Doesn't look like anyone was correct today. Baldi will stick to his guns
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So today's meeting was year in review. Doesn't look like anyone was correct today. Baldi will stick to his guns
Who knows if that is even true. St.John's is Yankee-like in that they tell you what they want to tell you, and you'll find out when they are good and ready to share it.
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So today's meeting was year in review. Doesn't look like anyone was correct today. Baldi will stick to his guns
Who knows if that is even true. St.John's is Yankee-like in that they tell you what they want to tell you, and you'll find out when they are good and ready to share it.
Sorry to say....that's the way it's supposed to be
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So today's meeting was year in review. Doesn't look like anyone was correct today. Baldi will stick to his guns
RIght that is why ASU let Herb Sendek continue to be their coach after their end of the year meeting yesterday and let him go on recruiting visits before they plan on firing him next week.
Except they fired him yesterday when they met with him in his year end visit.
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So today's meeting was year in review. Doesn't look like anyone was correct today. Baldi will stick to his guns
RIght that is why ASU let Herb Sendek continue to be their coach after their end of the year meeting yesterday and let him go on recruiting visits before they plan on firing him next week.
Except they fired him yesterday when they met with him in his year end visit.
I'm sure the ASU president was at that meeting
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Desco, nice job today with the scoop. Keep it coming
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Whether its Randall, Papagiannis, Mussinni…or the likes of a 2016 (Ray Salnave/Shamorie Ponds/Gibbs)…I'm expecting a couple of quick commits within a couple of days to 2weeks post-extension.
If Diamond Stone doesn't pan out, Maryland is locked and loasded on Papagiannis. That's the thing - Turgeon has 3 Centers lined up - Stone, then Papa & Yankuba Sima lined up.
Hope Stone goes to MD, and somehow the staff pulls a rabbit out of their hat. As of right now, Papa is wishful thinking, nothing more that I've read/heard.
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Whether its Randall, Papagiannis, Mussinni…or the likes of a 2016 (Ray Salnave/Shamorie Ponds/Gibbs)…I'm expecting a couple of quick commits within a couple of days to 2weeks post-extension.
If Diamond Stone doesn't pan out, Maryland is locked and loasded on Papagiannis. That's the thing - Turgeon has 3 Centers lined up - Stone, then Papa & Yankuba Sima lined up.
Hope Stone goes to MD, and somehow the staff pulls a rabbit out of their hat. As of right now, Papa is wishful thinking, nothing more that I've read/heard.
I think Stone pops for MD
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Whether its Randall, Papagiannis, Mussinni…or the likes of a 2016 (Ray Salnave/Shamorie Ponds/Gibbs)…I'm expecting a couple of quick commits within a couple of days to 2weeks post-extension.
If Diamond Stone doesn't pan out, Maryland is locked and loasded on Papagiannis. That's the thing - Turgeon has 3 Centers lined up - Stone, then Papa & Yankuba Sima lined up.
Hope Stone goes to MD, and somehow the staff pulls a rabbit out of their hat. As of right now, Papa is wishful thinking, nothing more that I've read/heard.
I think Stone pops for MD
Tough to beat Wisconsin in their back yard, but Jeff Erman says Terps are right there. He's announcing in a couple of weeks
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So today's meeting was year in review. Doesn't look like anyone was correct today. Baldi will stick to his guns
RIght that is why ASU let Herb Sendek continue to be their coach after their end of the year meeting yesterday and let him go on recruiting visits before they plan on firing him next week.
Except they fired him yesterday when they met with him in his year end visit.
I'm sure the ASU president was at that meeting
What? Give it up guy, seriously. Go away for a few weeks.
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So today's meeting was year in review. Doesn't look like anyone was correct today. Baldi will stick to his guns
RIght that is why ASU let Herb Sendek continue to be their coach after their end of the year meeting yesterday and let him go on recruiting visits before they plan on firing him next week.
Except they fired him yesterday when they met with him in his year end visit.
I'm sure the ASU president was at that meeting
What? Give it up guy, seriously. Go away for a few weeks.
Give what up?
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So today's meeting was year in review. Doesn't look like anyone was correct today. Baldi will stick to his guns
RIght that is why ASU let Herb Sendek continue to be their coach after their end of the year meeting yesterday and let him go on recruiting visits before they plan on firing him next week.
Except they fired him yesterday when they met with him in his year end visit.
I'm sure the ASU president was at that meeting
What? Give it up guy, seriously. Go away for a few weeks.
Give what up?
If you have to ask that then I won.
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So today's meeting was year in review. Doesn't look like anyone was correct today. Baldi will stick to his guns
Who knows if that is even true. St.John's is Yankee-like in that they tell you what they want to tell you, and you'll find out when they are good and ready to share it.
Sorry to say....that's the way it's supposed to be
I don't disagree, but they've made a lot of fans mad with their lack of due diligence. Simply put, Lavin and his staff either need to work harder, or smarter.
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Whether its Randall, Papagiannis, Mussinni…or the likes of a 2016 (Ray Salnave/Shamorie Ponds/Gibbs)…I'm expecting a couple of quick commits within a couple of days to 2weeks post-extension.
If Diamond Stone doesn't pan out, Maryland is locked and loasded on Papagiannis. That's the thing - Turgeon has 3 Centers lined up - Stone, then Papa & Yankuba Sima lined up.
Hope Stone goes to MD, and somehow the staff pulls a rabbit out of their hat. As of right now, Papa is wishful thinking, nothing more that I've read/heard.
I think Stone pops for MD
Tough to beat Wisconsin in their back yard, but Jeff Erman says Terps are right there. He's announcing in a couple of weeks
It's a good fit for Diamond and I think he sees that.
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So today's meeting was year in review. Doesn't look like anyone was correct today. Baldi will stick to his guns
RIght that is why ASU let Herb Sendek continue to be their coach after their end of the year meeting yesterday and let him go on recruiting visits before they plan on firing him next week.
Except they fired him yesterday when they met with him in his year end visit.
I'm sure the ASU president was at that meeting
What? Give it up guy, seriously. Go away for a few weeks.
Give what up?
If you have to ask that then I won.
Have you ever lost?
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Both the Post and News are saying that Gempenshaw will meet with Lavin to negotiatiate an extebsion, but nothing has been set in stone.
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So today's meeting was year in review. Doesn't look like anyone was correct today. Baldi will stick to his guns
RIght that is why ASU let Herb Sendek continue to be their coach after their end of the year meeting yesterday and let him go on recruiting visits before they plan on firing him next week.
Except they fired him yesterday when they met with him in his year end visit.
I'm sure the ASU president was at that meeting
What? Give it up guy, seriously. Go away for a few weeks.
Forever. I helped you out, fordham.
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So today's meeting was year in review. Doesn't look like anyone was correct today. Baldi will stick to his guns
RIght that is why ASU let Herb Sendek continue to be their coach after their end of the year meeting yesterday and let him go on recruiting visits before they plan on firing him next week.
Except they fired him yesterday when they met with him in his year end visit.
I'm sure the ASU president was at that meeting
What? Give it up guy, seriously. Go away for a few weeks.
Forever. I helped you out, fordham.
MJ - you going in July?
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So today's meeting was year in review. Doesn't look like anyone was correct today. Baldi will stick to his guns
RIght that is why ASU let Herb Sendek continue to be their coach after their end of the year meeting yesterday and let him go on recruiting visits before they plan on firing him next week.
Except they fired him yesterday when they met with him in his year end visit.
I'm sure the ASU president was at that meeting
What? Give it up guy, seriously. Go away for a few weeks.
Give what up?
If you have to ask that then I won.
Have you ever lost?
I like to think not but others think I lost at least once...
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Can someone explain why Lavin was looking for jobs at networks?
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So today's meeting was year in review. Doesn't look like anyone was correct today. Baldi will stick to his guns
RIght that is why ASU let Herb Sendek continue to be their coach after their end of the year meeting yesterday and let him go on recruiting visits before they plan on firing him next week.
Except they fired him yesterday when they met with him in his year end visit.
I'm sure the ASU president was at that meeting
What? Give it up guy, seriously. Go away for a few weeks.
Forever. I helped you out, fordham.
MJ - you going in July?
God-willing.... No doubt!
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Can someone explain why Lavin was looking for jobs at networks?
Can you confirm that?
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Can someone explain why Lavin was looking for jobs at networks?
Can you confirm that?
Saw a tweet. Not much can be confirmed nowadays
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Can someone explain why Lavin was looking for jobs at networks?
Can you confirm that?
Saw a tweet. Not much can be confirmed nowadays
True.
If he did then he did. I don't think he'd be the first person to seek alternative employment while being employed. I know I have.
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Can someone explain why Lavin was looking for jobs at networks?
Backup plan for a job... but no backup plans for recruiting :D "I kid, I kid..."
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Can someone explain why Lavin was looking for jobs at networks?
Can you confirm that?
Saw a tweet. Not much can be confirmed nowadays
True.
If he did then he did. I don't think he'd be the first person to seek alternative employment while being employed. I know I have.
The rabblerousers had him shaking in his boots. Not 100% confident if true - lol
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Can someone explain why Lavin was looking for jobs at networks?
Can you confirm that?
Saw a tweet. Not much can be confirmed nowadays
Has to be true. It was on the internet.
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Can someone explain why Lavin was looking for jobs at networks?
Can you confirm that?
Saw a tweet. Not much can be confirmed nowadays
Has to be true. It was on the internet.
Ya just like the bogus extension reports.
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Can someone explain why Lavin was looking for jobs at networks?
Can you confirm that?
Saw a tweet. Not much can be confirmed nowadays
Guess that explains your recent 0-fer skid.
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Can someone explain why Lavin was looking for jobs at networks?
Can you confirm that?
Saw a tweet. Not much can be confirmed nowadays
Guess that explains your recent 0-fer skid.
Where do you think I was wrong recently?
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http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25122984/observations-wisconsin-may-have-toughest-road-to-the-final-four
3. It's time for St. John's to make an official decision on Steve Lavin
This is starting to get ridiculous. The Red Storm's administration has hemmed and hawed for almost a week on their head coach's future and that's not fair to Lavin or his staff. Despite reaching the NCAA Tournament for the second time in five years it's clear that St. John's is undecided whether it truly wants Lavin to continue. There were several reports on Wednesday that Lavin was in talks with the school for a multiyear extension, but sources told CBSSports.com that those reports may be premature. A word to the wise: Decide what you want to do quickly. The longer it drags on the worse it looks for the university. A plethora of institutions have ended their seasons and announced coaching changes within a day of their final game, but it appears that things move at a slower pace at St. John's. I've always wondered why St. John's hasn't won an NCAA Tournament game since 1999. Now I think I'm beginning to understand. If you don't have an administration that has clarity and is in order, you can't win basketball games. The two go hand in hand.
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Can someone explain why Lavin was looking for jobs at networks?
Can you confirm that?
Saw a tweet. Not much can be confirmed nowadays
Guess that explains your recent 0-fer skid.
Where do you think I was wrong recently?
You serious? Off top of my head:
multiple posts about play in game with an illogical excuse about UCONN pushing sju up 9 spots from play in to 35th overall
repeated allusions to more behind obekpa story (beyond just the other players being implicated)
Board of "directors" firing Lavin on "monday or Tuesday"
That's just in the last week and half. If I had time I could hand select 50 of the 500 posts you've shared in the last 20 days to further support this.
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^^ Shit rolls downhill. It always starts at the top. This is an institutional problem.
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Can someone explain why Lavin was looking for jobs at networks?
Can you confirm that?
Saw a tweet. Not much can be confirmed nowadays
Guess that explains your recent 0-fer skid.
Where do you think I was wrong recently?
You serious? Off top of my head:
multiple posts about play in game with an illogical excuse about UCONN pushing sju up 9 spots from play in to 35th overall
repeated allusions to more behind obekpa story (beyond just the other players being implicated)
Board of "directors" firing Lavin on "monday or Tuesday"
That's just in the last week and half. If I had time I could hand select 50 of the 500 posts you've shared in the last 20 days to further support this.
It will all come out in the wash soon. 1 way or the other. And for the record, everyone was wrong yesterday, except for Desco. And people jumped on him for his good scoop. But hey, if you need to believe that there were no failed drug tests and Lavin was in extension talks yesterday, good for you
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Can someone explain why Lavin was looking for jobs at networks?
Can you confirm that?
Saw a tweet. Not much can be confirmed nowadays
Guess that explains your recent 0-fer skid.
Where do you think I was wrong recently?
You serious? Off top of my head:
multiple posts about play in game with an illogical excuse about UCONN pushing sju up 9 spots from play in to 35th overall
repeated allusions to more behind obekpa story (beyond just the other players being implicated)
Board of "directors" firing Lavin on "monday or Tuesday"
That's just in the last week and half. If I had time I could hand select 50 of the 500 posts you've shared in the last 20 days to further support this.
It will all come out in the wash soon. 1 way or the other. And for the record, everyone was wrong yesterday, except for Desco. And people jumped on him for his good scoop. But hey, if you need to believe that there were no failed drug tests and Lavin was in extension talks yesterday, good for you
I said neither of those things.
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http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25122984/observations-wisconsin-may-have-toughest-road-to-the-final-four
3. It's time for St. John's to make an official decision on Steve Lavin
This is starting to get ridiculous. The Red Storm's administration has hemmed and hawed for almost a week on their head coach's future and that's not fair to Lavin or his staff. Despite reaching the NCAA Tournament for the second time in five years it's clear that St. John's is undecided whether it truly wants Lavin to continue. There were several reports on Wednesday that Lavin was in talks with the school for a multiyear extension, but sources told CBSSports.com that those reports may be premature. A word to the wise: Decide what you want to do quickly. The longer it drags on the worse it looks for the university. A plethora of institutions have ended their seasons and announced coaching changes within a day of their final game, but it appears that things move at a slower pace at St. John's. I've always wondered why St. John's hasn't won an NCAA Tournament game since 1999. Now I think I'm beginning to understand. If you don't have an administration that has clarity and is in order, you can't win basketball games. The two go hand in hand.
I couldn't really understand what Rothstein is saying. Ask him to take Lavin's dick out of his mouth and try again.
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So today's meeting was year in review. Doesn't look like anyone was correct today. Baldi will stick to his guns
Who knows if that is even true. St.John's is Yankee-like in that they tell you what they want to tell you, and you'll find out when they are good and ready to share it.
Sorry to say....that's the way it's supposed to be
I don't disagree, but they've made a lot of fans mad with their lack of due diligence. Simply put, Lavin and his staff either need to work harder, or smarter.
And I don't disagree with that (harden and smarter) either. But companies (or teams, or schools) release information when it is ready to be released, and not before, and they can't and won't be pushed to do so by media or message boards. If they do, then they are not working properly. Even leaks are planned.
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Can someone explain why Lavin was looking for jobs at networks?
Can you confirm that?
Saw a tweet. Not much can be confirmed nowadays
Guess that explains your recent 0-fer skid.
Where do you think I was wrong recently?
You serious? Off top of my head:
multiple posts about play in game with an illogical excuse about UCONN pushing sju up 9 spots from play in to 35th overall
repeated allusions to more behind obekpa story (beyond just the other players being implicated)
Board of "directors" firing Lavin on "monday or Tuesday"
That's just in the last week and half. If I had time I could hand select 50 of the 500 posts you've shared in the last 20 days to further support this.
It will all come out in the wash soon. 1 way or the other. And for the record, everyone was wrong yesterday, except for Desco. And people jumped on him for his good scoop. But hey, if you need to believe that there were no failed drug tests and Lavin was in extension talks yesterday, good for you
They are working on an extension, just because it wasn't finalized doesn't mean that is not what's happening. That doesn't mean that both sides could not still choose to go separate ways if they can not reach a agreement, but it's clear that the University's position is to extend Lavin. Just ask your source.
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I agree...but school should put out a statement....we r working on extension...expect to reach an agreement......but there is no guarantee....silence during final days of hot recruiting period in face of rumors and innuendo could be harmful as some intend.
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I agree...but school should put out a statement....we r working on extension...expect to reach an agreement......but there is no guarantee....silence during final days of hot recruiting period in face of rumors and innuendo could be harmful as some intend.
They could secretly be talking to Danny Hurley's camp this very moment for all we know.
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Are they in contract negotiations or is Lavin seeing Diallo today? Or neither?
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Maybe...just maybe....two things could be done in the same day....for example spreading two different inaccurate rumors in the same day.
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Maybe...just maybe....two things could be done in the same day....for example spreading two different inaccurate rumors in the same day.
Does that mean that maybe some day you'll have two different thoughts?
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Are they in contract negotiations or is Lavin seeing Diallo today? Or neither?
Conspicuously absent from your scenario analysis is the possibility of doing both in one day. Centereach is less than an hour from campus.
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Are they in contract negotiations or is Lavin seeing Diallo today? Or neither?
Conspicuously absent from your scenario analysis is the possibility of doing both in one day. Centereach is less than an hour from campus.
lol. plus, lawyers/agents are likely the ones negotiating. doubt prez is sitting if front of lavin mulling over contract details.
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Are they in contract negotiations or is Lavin seeing Diallo today? Or neither?
Conspicuously absent from your scenario analysis is the possibility of doing both in one day. Centereach is less than an hour from campus.
Can't do 1 without doing the other.
Christ the King is closer
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Are they in contract negotiations or is Lavin seeing Diallo today? Or neither?
Conspicuously absent from your scenario analysis is the possibility of doing both in one day. Centereach is less than an hour from campus.
Can't do 1 without doing the other.
Christ the King is closer
coach arbs will put out the welcome tea and crumpets for lavin
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Are they in contract negotiations or is Lavin seeing Diallo today? Or neither?
Conspicuously absent from your scenario analysis is the possibility of doing both in one day. Centereach is less than an hour from campus.
Can't do 1 without doing the other.
Christ the King is closer
coach arbs will put out the welcome tea and crumpets for lavin
Pretty impressive that a coach can alienate a top city program
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Are they in contract negotiations or is Lavin seeing Diallo today? Or neither?
Conspicuously absent from your scenario analysis is the possibility of doing both in one day. Centereach is less than an hour from campus.
Can't do 1 without doing the other.
Christ the King is closer
coach arbs will put out the welcome tea and crumpets for lavin
Pretty impressive that a coach can alienate a top city program
I'm glad Lavin isn't kissing up to them. What good did it do for Norm? For decades they have been funneling their top prospects out of the city. Finally, we have a coach with a national/international reach, he doesn't need their mid major players. He can use those spots to build relationships elsewhere were it will actually pay off.
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We've seen it before Baldi....
From what I've heard though the Arbs thing isn't Lavin and Co's fault.
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Are they in contract negotiations or is Lavin seeing Diallo today? Or neither?
Conspicuously absent from your scenario analysis is the possibility of doing both in one day. Centereach is less than an hour from campus.
Can't do 1 without doing the other.
Christ the King is closer
coach arbs will put out the welcome tea and crumpets for lavin
Pretty impressive that a coach can alienate a top city program
I'm glad Lavin isn't kissing up to them. What good did it do for Norm? For decades they have been funneling their top prospects out of the city. Finally, we have a coach with a national/international reach, he doesn't need their mid major players. He can use those spots to build relationships elsewhere were it will actually pay off.
Rawle Alkins is mid major?
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Rawls
Are they in contract negotiations or is Lavin seeing Diallo today? Or neither?
Conspicuously absent from your scenario analysis is the possibility of doing both in one day. Centereach is less than an hour from campus.
Can't do 1 without doing the other.
Christ the King is closer
coach arbs will put out the welcome tea and crumpets for lavin
Pretty impressive that a coach can alienate a top city program
I'm glad Lavin isn't kissing up to them. What good did it do for Norm? For decades they have been funneling their top prospects out of the city. Finally, we have a coach with a national/international reach, he doesn't need their mid major players. He can use those spots to build relationships elsewhere were it will actually pay off.
Rawle Alkins is mid major?
Malik booths was
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Rawls Are they in contract negotiations or is Lavin seeing Diallo today? Or neither?
Conspicuously absent from your scenario analysis is the possibility of doing both in one day. Centereach is less than an hour from campus.
Can't do 1 without doing the other.
Christ the King is closer
coach arbs will put out the welcome tea and crumpets for lavin
Pretty impressive that a coach can alienate a top city program
I'm glad Lavin isn't kissing up to them. What good did it do for Norm? For decades they have been funneling their top prospects out of the city. Finally, we have a coach with a national/international reach, he doesn't need their mid major players. He can use those spots to build relationships elsewhere were it will actually pay off.
Rawle Alkins is mid major?
Malik booths was
Ya so was Speedy
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Rawls Are they in contract negotiations or is Lavin seeing Diallo today? Or neither?
Conspicuously absent from your scenario analysis is the possibility of doing both in one day. Centereach is less than an hour from campus.
Can't do 1 without doing the other.
Christ the King is closer
coach arbs will put out the welcome tea and crumpets for lavin
Pretty impressive that a coach can alienate a top city program
I'm glad Lavin isn't kissing up to them. What good did it do for Norm? For decades they have been funneling their top prospects out of the city. Finally, we have a coach with a national/international reach, he doesn't need their mid major players. He can use those spots to build relationships elsewhere were it will actually pay off.
Rawle Alkins is mid major?
Malik booths was
Ya so was Speedy
Speedy thought he was. That's why he went to Hofstra.
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Rawls Are they in contract negotiations or is Lavin seeing Diallo today? Or neither?
Conspicuously absent from your scenario analysis is the possibility of doing both in one day. Centereach is less than an hour from campus.
Can't do 1 without doing the other.
Christ the King is closer
coach arbs will put out the welcome tea and crumpets for lavin
Pretty impressive that a coach can alienate a top city program
I'm glad Lavin isn't kissing up to them. What good did it do for Norm? For decades they have been funneling their top prospects out of the city. Finally, we have a coach with a national/international reach, he doesn't need their mid major players. He can use those spots to build relationships elsewhere were it will actually pay off.
Rawle Alkins is mid major?
Malik booths was
Ya so was Speedy
Speedy thought he was. That's why he went to Hofstra.
Or he liked Jay Wright
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Rawls Are they in contract negotiations or is Lavin seeing Diallo today? Or neither?
Conspicuously absent from your scenario analysis is the possibility of doing both in one day. Centereach is less than an hour from campus.
Can't do 1 without doing the other.
Christ the King is closer
coach arbs will put out the welcome tea and crumpets for lavin
Pretty impressive that a coach can alienate a top city program
I'm glad Lavin isn't kissing up to them. What good did it do for Norm? For decades they have been funneling their top prospects out of the city. Finally, we have a coach with a national/international reach, he doesn't need their mid major players. He can use those spots to build relationships elsewhere were it will actually pay off.
Rawle Alkins is mid major?
Malik booths was
Ya so was Speedy
Speedy thought he was. That's why he went to Hofstra.
Fran tried to get him. Kid honored his commitment.
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We've seen it before Baldi....
From what I've heard though the Arbs thing isn't Lavin and Co's fault.
With Baldi, it's all Lavin's fault. Wait didn't we just get a player from there last year who you constantly belittle?
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We've seen it before Baldi....
From what I've heard though the Arbs thing isn't Lavin and Co's fault.
With Baldi, it's all Lavin's fault. Wait didn't we just get a player from there last year who you constantly belittle?
It is Lavins fault
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Boring
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BTW, in case you haven't noticed NYC players have in general been sh!t lately... The city doesn't produce quality or quantity any longer.
The ones worth recruiting, have been recruited, we won some and lost others. Pretty much how it is regardless of coach...
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BTW, in case you haven't noticed NYC players have in general been sh!t lately... The city doesn't produce quality or quantity any longer.
The ones worth recruiting, have been recruited, we won some and lost others. Pretty much how it is regardless of coach...
Wish we were on Jordan Tucker, even if suburban...
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Are they in contract negotiations or is Lavin seeing Diallo today? Or neither?
Conspicuously absent from your scenario analysis is the possibility of doing both in one day. Centereach is less than an hour from campus.
Can't do 1 without doing the other.
Christ the King is closer
Masterful deflection.
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Are they in contract negotiations or is Lavin seeing Diallo today? Or neither?
Conspicuously absent from your scenario analysis is the possibility of doing both in one day. Centereach is less than an hour from campus.
Can't do 1 without doing the other.
Christ the King is closer
Masterful deflection.
Masterful edit.
I was going to ask what strings you meant
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BTW, in case you haven't noticed NYC players have in general been sh!t lately... The city doesn't produce quality or quantity any longer.
The ones worth recruiting, have been recruited, we won some and lost others. Pretty much how it is regardless of coach...
Good post, I agree Pete.
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BTW, in case you haven't noticed NYC players have in general been sh!t lately... The city doesn't produce quality or quantity any longer.
The ones worth recruiting, have been recruited, we won some and lost others. Pretty much how it is regardless of coach...
Gentrification pushing out all the ballers. Happening in DC too. Never thought I'd see lots of kids skateboarding and all other sorts of stuff in parks, sidewalks...unbelievable
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Are they in contract negotiations or is Lavin seeing Diallo today? Or neither?
Conspicuously absent from your scenario analysis is the possibility of doing both in one day. Centereach is less than an hour from campus.
Can't do 1 without doing the other.
Christ the King is closer
Masterful deflection.
Masterful edit.
I was going to ask what strings you meant
I misread it - though you initially meant CTK was closing the Lavin deal, not geographically closer. Regardless, your biases are transparent despite your definitive tone
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We've seen it before Baldi....
From what I've heard though the Arbs thing isn't Lavin and Co's fault.
With Baldi, it's all Lavin's fault. Wait didn't we just get a player from there last year who you constantly belittle?
It is Lavins fault
Lavin is the one making a salary, isn't he? Who should be responsible if a program is constantly losing players due to academics, and the players are constantly getting called for technical fouls, getting suspended or threatening to leave?
No single incident is ever Lavin's fault. But he's in charge. I hope the University is smart enough to make changes to help him. Obviously it's not all Lavin's fault, but if he's staying, then show the fans you're addressing glaring weaknesses.
With better help surrounding Lavin, he performs better. We saw in 2010-2011.
As far as locals go, just get good players. If a McDonald's AA wants to play here, ok, we accept. If it's a sleeper, yes, Lavin could look more at local talent. He probably would have gotten more credit for Adonis Delarosa, if he actually was eligible to play for us.
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BTW, in case you haven't noticed NYC players have in general been sh!t lately... The city doesn't produce quality or quantity any longer.
The ones worth recruiting, have been recruited, we won some and lost others. Pretty much how it is regardless of coach...
Gentrification pushing out all the ballers. Happening in DC too. Never thought I'd see lots of kids skateboarding and all other sorts of stuff in parks, sidewalks...unbelievable
Right on. Schoolyards and playgrounds are empty. Not to sound old, I'm 40, but I remember growing up in Rockaway....if you lost you had to wait an hour to get back on the court. Shame
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My best guess, for whatever it's worth, Lavin gets fired tomorrow
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BTW, in case you haven't noticed NYC players have in general been sh!t lately... The city doesn't produce quality or quantity any longer.
The ones worth recruiting, have been recruited, we won some and lost others. Pretty much how it is regardless of coach...
Gentrification pushing out all the ballers. Happening in DC too. Never thought I'd see lots of kids skateboarding and all other sorts of stuff in parks, sidewalks...unbelievable
Right on. Schoolyards and playgrounds are empty. Not to sound old, I'm 40, but I remember growing up in Rockaway....if you lost you had to wait an hour to get back on the court. Shame
You're not old - this happened in a matter of 10-20 years. You were part of the tradition (waiting your turn). The only time I see that happening is in my fitness center gym - lol ballers have to go there to get good games. My long time rec league couldn't keep older teams together. At the end, we used to have 6-7 guys in their late 30s, early 40s playing against 20-25 y.o. teams. We'd lead or stay close in the first half, then they just knew to keep running. Survival of the fittest - lol. I have a friend doing an older pickup league, but I have to drive 35+ miles - rather just shoot at the gym.
I remember some guys I caddied with as a teenager telling me that it made them sad that they got rid of midnight basketball in White Plains in the mid-late 70s. They said it was organized, secure, and a place to stay away from trouble. I was a surburbanite who thought everyone could just play in their neighborhood. It did open my eyes up to an image of a really fun scene - wish I could have had that too.
http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11216972/playground-basketball-dying (http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11216972/playground-basketball-dying)
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The level of recruits is down in NYC, yes. However that's not to say that this is par for the course. If you look at rosters around the country (and I'm not talking about the powerhouses), there are big kids littered across roster in mid-majors and high majors that are from NYC or surrounding areas. A lot of these kids were under-recruited coming out of HS for a variety of reasons.
This is where scouting and talent evaluation comes into play. The SJU staff has done a poor job of identifying these diamonds in the rough. When I see these kids contributing in the #$%^ing MAC and other mid level conferences, it's a huge indictment on the laziness or the lack of talent evaluation by Lavin's staff.
Just because NYC doesn't produce talent the way it used to, doesn't mean you should turn a blind eye towards it because there's several kids who could've helped this team this year.
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The level of recruits is down in NYC, yes. However that's not to say that this is par for the course. If you look at rosters around the country (and I'm not talking about the powerhouses), there are big kids littered across roster in mid-majors and high majors that are from NYC or surrounding areas. A lot of these kids were under-recruited coming out of HS for a variety of reasons.
This is where scouting and talent evaluation comes into play. The SJU staff has done a poor job of identifying these diamonds in the rough. When I see these kids contributing in the #$%^ing MAC and other mid level conferences, it's a huge indictment on the laziness or the lack of talent evaluation by Lavin's staff.
Just because NYC doesn't produce talent the way it used to, doesn't mean you should turn a blind eye towards it because there's several kids who could've helped this team this year.
I would never say turn a blind eye to any potential recruits, but the fact of the matter is what Pete, Baldi and I are talking about - the demographics are changing, and so is the recruiting landscape.
If I look at the WCAC, many of the players on DeMatha, Gonzaga, St. John's, whomever, incresingly come from the suburbs. When Glen Farello left Eleanor Roosevelt in Prince George's County, MD (just outside DC), he went to Fairfax County, VA WCAC member Paul VI, which was kind of like St. john's in the 2000s - experiencing an above average season every 4-5 years (Red Jenkins was the coach and had some D1 players go through). But Farello comes in, and what does he do? He starts recruiting PG County like crazy, bringing in Stan Robinson, Franklin Howard, Marcus Derrickson. It is just the way it is. The times, they are a changing. He who doesn't adapt, will be passed by.
BTW - and if Cuse can get Howard, so can we - I still don't know why the staff totally ignores DC - cannot compete with locals? Cuse does, Nova does... Time to start mining Baltimore - I can see it - maybe I'm foolish or unknowledgeable, but I know a sweet spot for SJ's when I see it. Gotta pluck a player or two from Charm City. No, not clowns like Carr, real D1 4 year city ballers. They're still there in larger numbers in a smaller city.
Look at Daxter Miles
"Ballers make plays, dudes are dudes."
https://youtu.be/09lxY8vNjiI (https://youtu.be/09lxY8vNjiI)
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BTW, in case you haven't noticed NYC players have in general been sh!t lately... The city doesn't produce quality or quantity any longer.
The ones worth recruiting, have been recruited, we won some and lost others. Pretty much how it is regardless of coach...
Gentrification pushing out all the ballers. Happening in DC too. Never thought I'd see lots of kids skateboarding and all other sorts of stuff in parks, sidewalks...unbelievable
Right on. Schoolyards and playgrounds are empty. Not to sound old, I'm 40, but I remember growing up in Rockaway....if you lost you had to wait an hour to get back on the court. Shame
You're not old - this happened in a matter of 10-20 years. You were part of the tradition (waiting your turn). The only time I see that happening is in my fitness center gym - lol ballers have to go there to get good games. My long time rec league couldn't keep older teams together. At the end, we used to have 6-7 guys in their late 30s, early 40s playing against 20-25 y.o. teams. We'd lead or stay close in the first half, then they just knew to keep running. Survival of the fittest - lol. I have a friend doing an older pickup league, but I have to drive 35+ miles - rather just shoot at the gym.
I remember some guys I caddied with as a teenager telling me that it made them sad that they got rid of midnight basketball in White Plains in the mid-late 70s. They said it was organized, secure, and a place to stay away from trouble. I was a surburbanite who thought everyone could just play in their neighborhood. It did open my eyes up to an image of a really fun scene - wish I could have had that too.
http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11216972/playground-basketball-dying (http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11216972/playground-basketball-dying)
Great post bball. I went out for a few beers with my brother to watch the tourny on Thursday. We were talking about this same issue. He's going to bring his 3 kids into Brooklyn and leave them at schoolyard and let them get schooled on the court. They are Long Island kids
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People need to get over this NYC $hit. Norm failed miserably trying to get NYC kids. His quote:
"It pains me to see guys from New York City wearing other uniforms. It pains me to see guys winning national championships that should be playing at St. John's," Roberts said. "We're not going to get them all, it's impossible to get them all, but there won't be one kid in New York City that will say St. John's didn't bust their tail recruiting."
Kids want to LEAVE NYC. Superstar or not, that is the goal. If a kid doesn't reciprocate interest, f'em. Move onto the kid from Louisiana or AZ who DOES want to come to NYC. This argument about keeping NYC is so stupid. People keep living in the past. Which is why i think Lavin has likely rubbed local old school coaches the wrong way. Lavin knows he's not going to win the local battle, with these local coaches only trying to serve themselves. So Lavin goes outside the city where he doesn't have to deal with the local BS. As far as I'm concerned, recruiting outside NYC is how we are going to see success.
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The level of recruits is down in NYC, yes. However that's not to say that this is par for the course. If you look at rosters around the country (and I'm not talking about the powerhouses), there are big kids littered across roster in mid-majors and high majors that are from NYC or surrounding areas. A lot of these kids were under-recruited coming out of HS for a variety of reasons.
This is where scouting and talent evaluation comes into play. The SJU staff has done a poor job of identifying these diamonds in the rough. When I see these kids contributing in the #$%^ing MAC and other mid level conferences, it's a huge indictment on the laziness or the lack of talent evaluation by Lavin's staff.
Just because NYC doesn't produce talent the way it used to, doesn't mean you should turn a blind eye towards it because there's several kids who could've helped this team this year.
I would never say turn a blind eye to any potential recruits, but the fact of the matter is what Pete, Baldi and I are talking about - the demographics are changing, and so is the recruiting landscape.
If I look at the WCAC, many of the players on DeMatha, Gonzaga, St. John's, whomever, incresingly come from the suburbs. When Glen Farello left Eleanor Roosevelt in Prince George's County, MD (just outside DC), he went to Fairfax County, VA WCAC member Paul VI, which was kind of like St. john's in the 2000s - experiencing an above average season every 4-5 years (Red Jenkins was the coach and had some D1 players go through). But Farello comes in, and what does he do? He starts recruiting PG County like crazy, bringing in Stan Robinson, Franklin Howard, Marcus Derrickson. It is just the way it is. The times, they are a changing. He who doesn't adapt, will be passed by.
BTW - and if Cuse can get Howard, so can we - I still don't know why the staff totally ignores DC - cannot compete with locals? Cuse does, Nova does... Time to start mining Baltimore - I can see it - maybe I'm foolish or unknowledgeable, but I know a sweet spot for SJ's when I see it. Gotta pluck a player or two from Charm City. No, not clowns like Carr, real D1 4 year city ballers. They're still there in larger numbers in a smaller city.
Look at Daxter Miles
"Ballers make plays, dudes are dudes."
https://youtu.be/09lxY8vNjiI (https://youtu.be/09lxY8vNjiI)
I'm not disputing that demographics changes, that's obvious. Elizabeth HS in NJ used to be in the USA Top 25 in football and basketball in the 80 and early 90's and was a powerhouse. Different immigrant groups started moving in, these groups played soccer more than football and basketball and Elizabeth's hoops and football teams suffered.
My point is that it's obvious that all the powerhouses will go after the top kids from NY/NJ. The real issue though is to not look at the next tier of kids behind the blue chipper in the NY Metro area.
I played football and basketball in HS in Bergen county and had to play against the top inner city players from Jersey City, Paterson and Newark growing up in HS and AAU.
All that talent in North Jersey, and even Central Jersey nowadays, and I've rarely ever seen SJU in on these kids. These days, kids go to all different schools in NJ that no one even considered 20 years ago when I was in HS. It's not the Briscoes I'm mad about. It's the other kids on Roselle Catholic, Pope John, the Patrick School and all the other laundry list of schools in NJ and NY that are powerhouse HS teams that SJU doesn't even look at.
Sure I agree that they could take a look at DC and Baltimore too. Tons of talent down there and the WCAC is very similar to the North Jersey powerhouse Catholic leagues. But take care of your own backyard first is my point. It's a quick car ride away versus a couple of hour trip and the staff has done a poor job of mining it.
I'll take a local kid over some unknown from Arizona who are relatively equal in the ratings anyday of the week.
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BTW, in case you haven't noticed NYC players have in general been sh!t lately... The city doesn't produce quality or quantity any longer.
The ones worth recruiting, have been recruited, we won some and lost others. Pretty much how it is regardless of coach...
Gentrification pushing out all the ballers. Happening in DC too. Never thought I'd see lots of kids skateboarding and all other sorts of stuff in parks, sidewalks...unbelievable
Right on. Schoolyards and playgrounds are empty. Not to sound old, I'm 40, but I remember growing up in Rockaway....if you lost you had to wait an hour to get back on the court. Shame
You're not old - this happened in a matter of 10-20 years. You were part of the tradition (waiting your turn). The only time I see that happening is in my fitness center gym - lol ballers have to go there to get good games. My long time rec league couldn't keep older teams together. At the end, we used to have 6-7 guys in their late 30s, early 40s playing against 20-25 y.o. teams. We'd lead or stay close in the first half, then they just knew to keep running. Survival of the fittest - lol. I have a friend doing an older pickup league, but I have to drive 35+ miles - rather just shoot at the gym.
I remember some guys I caddied with as a teenager telling me that it made them sad that they got rid of midnight basketball in White Plains in the mid-late 70s. They said it was organized, secure, and a place to stay away from trouble. I was a surburbanite who thought everyone could just play in their neighborhood. It did open my eyes up to an image of a really fun scene - wish I could have had that too.
http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11216972/playground-basketball-dying (http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11216972/playground-basketball-dying)
Great post bball. I went out for a few beers with my brother to watch the tourny on Thursday. We were talking about this same issue. He's going to bring his 3 kids into Brooklyn and leave them at schoolyard and let them get schooled on the court. They are Long Island kids
Thanks. Sadly, it's reality. I hope us posters think about it when we talk about recruiting.
Your brother's idea is good. A good way for his kids to see a different style of play. Look at what WVU did in their brawl, I mean game, vs. MD. They did anything and everything the refs let them get away with. It was all so subtle, the slight hand checks not getting called, the contact to gain an advantage by slowing down driving MD players. But I commend the players for making it work by working their tails off to move their feet so quickly to not make it glaring enough to call. All of that effort, and of course they still foul like crazy. I was disappointed in how the refs called the game. It's not like Maryland wasn't tough. when Melo left, they were done - no depth at PG - familiar theme, except they were exposed only at one position. Turgeon should have pressed them back earlier.
It's no accident that Huggins' roster has a Baltimore, Brooklyn, Cincy, Miami, Chicago player on their roster. The dudes bust it out there, and are tenacious as hell. But watch what the refs do in the UK game - they're going to call slight hand checks, little bumps, etc. Going to take away that advantage. Without it, they're done.
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BTW, in case you haven't noticed NYC players have in general been sh!t lately... The city doesn't produce quality or quantity any longer.
The ones worth recruiting, have been recruited, we won some and lost others. Pretty much how it is regardless of coach...
Gentrification pushing out all the ballers. Happening in DC too. Never thought I'd see lots of kids skateboarding and all other sorts of stuff in parks, sidewalks...unbelievable
Right on. Schoolyards and playgrounds are empty. Not to sound old, I'm 40, but I remember growing up in Rockaway....if you lost you had to wait an hour to get back on the court. Shame
You're not old - this happened in a matter of 10-20 years. You were part of the tradition (waiting your turn). The only time I see that happening is in my fitness center gym - lol ballers have to go there to get good games. My long time rec league couldn't keep older teams together. At the end, we used to have 6-7 guys in their late 30s, early 40s playing against 20-25 y.o. teams. We'd lead or stay close in the first half, then they just knew to keep running. Survival of the fittest - lol. I have a friend doing an older pickup league, but I have to drive 35+ miles - rather just shoot at the gym.
I remember some guys I caddied with as a teenager telling me that it made them sad that they got rid of midnight basketball in White Plains in the mid-late 70s. They said it was organized, secure, and a place to stay away from trouble. I was a surburbanite who thought everyone could just play in their neighborhood. It did open my eyes up to an image of a really fun scene - wish I could have had that too.
http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11216972/playground-basketball-dying (http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11216972/playground-basketball-dying)
Great post bball. I went out for a few beers with my brother to watch the tourny on Thursday. We were talking about this same issue. He's going to bring his 3 kids into Brooklyn and leave them at schoolyard and let them get schooled on the court. They are Long Island kids
Thanks. Sadly, it's reality. I hope us posters think about it when we talk about recruiting.
Your brother's idea is good. A good way for his kids to see a different style of play. Look at what WVU did in their brawl, I mean game, vs. MD. They did anything and everything the refs let them get away with. It was all so subtle, the slight hand checks not getting called, the contact to gain an advantage by slowing down driving MD players. But I commend the players for making it work by working their tails off to move their feet so quickly to not make it glaring enough to call. All of that effort, and of course they still foul like crazy. I was disappointed in how the refs called the game. It's not like Maryland wasn't tough. when Melo left, they were done - no depth at PG - familiar theme, except they were exposed only at one position. Turgeon should have pressed them back earlier.
It's no accident that Huggins' roster has a Baltimore, Brooklyn, Cincy, Miami, Chicago player on their roster. The dudes bust it out there, and are tenacious as hell. But watch what the refs do in the UK game - they're going to call slight hand checks, little bumps, etc. Going to take away that advantage. Without it, they're done.
Great observation. I was so impressed with West Va. I can't name 1 guy on their team, but they d it up, sideline to sideline. They do foul, I've seen Manhattan the same. I think the thought is that the team is deep enough and the refs can't call the foul every time. So go ahead and call it. We have subs
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I'm not disputing that demographics changes, that's obvious. Elizabeth HS in NJ used to be in the USA Top 25 in football and basketball in the 80 and early 90's and was a powerhouse. Different immigrant groups started moving in, these groups played soccer more than football and basketball and Elizabeth's hoops and football teams suffered.
My point is that it's obvious that all the powerhouses will go after the top kids from NY/NJ. The real issue though is to not look at the next tier of kids behind the blue chipper in the NY Metro area.
I played football and basketball in HS in Bergen county and had to play against the top inner city players from Jersey City, Paterson and Newark growing up in HS and AAU.
All that talent in North Jersey, and even Central Jersey nowadays, and I've rarely ever seen SJU in on these kids. These days, kids go to all different schools in NJ that no one even considered 20 years ago when I was in HS. It's not the Briscoes I'm mad about. It's the other kids on Roselle Catholic, Pope John, the Patrick School and all the other laundry list of schools in NJ and NY that are powerhouse HS teams that SJU doesn't even look at.
Sure I agree that they could take a look at DC and Baltimore too. Tons of talent down there and the WCAC is very similar to the North Jersey powerhouse Catholic leagues. But take care of your own backyard first is my point. It's a quick car ride away versus a couple of hour trip and the staff has done a poor job of mining it.
I'll take a local kid over some unknown from Arizona who are relatively equal in the ratings anyday of the week.
I totally agree with still recruiting those next tier players. If I had one thing to say to Lavin and staff, it's what many here harp on - due the homework and get those next tier guys that are hungry and play really hard. It's tricky, because one cannot stoop too low for many players either. But running out 8-9 guys like that is better than 5-7 guys like we had that had to work extra hard just to maintain. If we were 3-4 deep with legitimate front line players, this could have been a 25 win team, no problem. Look at Huggins - going to run out 10-11 guys Friday night. And they're all going to be busting it, win or lose.
BTW - even in football in Northern NJ - it's incredible that more high schools have joined the powerhouse party - like 5 now, right? St. Peter's was really good this year. I watched them on MSG Varsity a few times. My HS (Stepinac) won the AAA championship for the first time in 59 years - incredible.
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BTW, in case you haven't noticed NYC players have in general been sh!t lately... The city doesn't produce quality or quantity any longer.
The ones worth recruiting, have been recruited, we won some and lost others. Pretty much how it is regardless of coach...
Gentrification pushing out all the ballers. Happening in DC too. Never thought I'd see lots of kids skateboarding and all other sorts of stuff in parks, sidewalks...unbelievable
Right on. Schoolyards and playgrounds are empty. Not to sound old, I'm 40, but I remember growing up in Rockaway....if you lost you had to wait an hour to get back on the court. Shame
You're not old - this happened in a matter of 10-20 years. You were part of the tradition (waiting your turn). The only time I see that happening is in my fitness center gym - lol ballers have to go there to get good games. My long time rec league couldn't keep older teams together. At the end, we used to have 6-7 guys in their late 30s, early 40s playing against 20-25 y.o. teams. We'd lead or stay close in the first half, then they just knew to keep running. Survival of the fittest - lol. I have a friend doing an older pickup league, but I have to drive 35+ miles - rather just shoot at the gym.
I remember some guys I caddied with as a teenager telling me that it made them sad that they got rid of midnight basketball in White Plains in the mid-late 70s. They said it was organized, secure, and a place to stay away from trouble. I was a surburbanite who thought everyone could just play in their neighborhood. It did open my eyes up to an image of a really fun scene - wish I could have had that too.
http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11216972/playground-basketball-dying (http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11216972/playground-basketball-dying)
Great post bball. I went out for a few beers with my brother to watch the tourny on Thursday. We were talking about this same issue. He's going to bring his 3 kids into Brooklyn and leave them at schoolyard and let them get schooled on the court. They are Long Island kids
Thanks. Sadly, it's reality. I hope us posters think about it when we talk about recruiting.
Your brother's idea is good. A good way for his kids to see a different style of play. Look at what WVU did in their brawl, I mean game, vs. MD. They did anything and everything the refs let them get away with. It was all so subtle, the slight hand checks not getting called, the contact to gain an advantage by slowing down driving MD players. But I commend the players for making it work by working their tails off to move their feet so quickly to not make it glaring enough to call. All of that effort, and of course they still foul like crazy. I was disappointed in how the refs called the game. It's not like Maryland wasn't tough. when Melo left, they were done - no depth at PG - familiar theme, except they were exposed only at one position. Turgeon should have pressed them back earlier.
It's no accident that Huggins' roster has a Baltimore, Brooklyn, Cincy, Miami, Chicago player on their roster. The dudes bust it out there, and are tenacious as hell. But watch what the refs do in the UK game - they're going to call slight hand checks, little bumps, etc. Going to take away that advantage. Without it, they're done.
Great observation. I was so impressed with West Va. I can't name 1 guy on their team, but they d it up, sideline to sideline. They do foul, I've seen Manhattan the same. I think the thought is that the team is deep enough and the refs can't call the foul every time. So go ahead and call it. We have subs
It's incredible. I'm not positive on the number, but 4 or 5 guys AVERAGE 4+ fouls a game, and 4 or 5 others AVERAGE 3.5+ fouls a game - lead the country - unbelievable. They were a bit inconsistent during the year. But teams like that are so dangerous because they bring their A game every night in the tourney. Win or Lose, Huggins gets major kudos from me for once again adapting to his talent. And for reigning in his bat shit crazy daughters.
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BTW, in case you haven't noticed NYC players have in general been sh!t lately... The city doesn't produce quality or quantity any longer.
The ones worth recruiting, have been recruited, we won some and lost others. Pretty much how it is regardless of coach...
Gentrification pushing out all the ballers. Happening in DC too. Never thought I'd see lots of kids skateboarding and all other sorts of stuff in parks, sidewalks...unbelievable
Right on. Schoolyards and playgrounds are empty. Not to sound old, I'm 40, but I remember growing up in Rockaway....if you lost you had to wait an hour to get back on the court. Shame
You're not old - this happened in a matter of 10-20 years. You were part of the tradition (waiting your turn). The only time I see that happening is in my fitness center gym - lol ballers have to go there to get good games. My long time rec league couldn't keep older teams together. At the end, we used to have 6-7 guys in their late 30s, early 40s playing against 20-25 y.o. teams. We'd lead or stay close in the first half, then they just knew to keep running. Survival of the fittest - lol. I have a friend doing an older pickup league, but I have to drive 35+ miles - rather just shoot at the gym.
I remember some guys I caddied with as a teenager telling me that it made them sad that they got rid of midnight basketball in White Plains in the mid-late 70s. They said it was organized, secure, and a place to stay away from trouble. I was a surburbanite who thought everyone could just play in their neighborhood. It did open my eyes up to an image of a really fun scene - wish I could have had that too.
http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11216972/playground-basketball-dying (http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11216972/playground-basketball-dying)
Great post bball. I went out for a few beers with my brother to watch the tourny on Thursday. We were talking about this same issue. He's going to bring his 3 kids into Brooklyn and leave them at schoolyard and let them get schooled on the court. They are Long Island kids
Thanks. Sadly, it's reality. I hope us posters think about it when we talk about recruiting.
Your brother's idea is good. A good way for his kids to see a different style of play. Look at what WVU did in their brawl, I mean game, vs. MD. They did anything and everything the refs let them get away with. It was all so subtle, the slight hand checks not getting called, the contact to gain an advantage by slowing down driving MD players. But I commend the players for making it work by working their tails off to move their feet so quickly to not make it glaring enough to call. All of that effort, and of course they still foul like crazy. I was disappointed in how the refs called the game. It's not like Maryland wasn't tough. when Melo left, they were done - no depth at PG - familiar theme, except they were exposed only at one position. Turgeon should have pressed them back earlier.
It's no accident that Huggins' roster has a Baltimore, Brooklyn, Cincy, Miami, Chicago player on their roster. The dudes bust it out there, and are tenacious as hell. But watch what the refs do in the UK game - they're going to call slight hand checks, little bumps, etc. Going to take away that advantage. Without it, they're done.
Great observation. I was so impressed with West Va. I can't name 1 guy on their team, but they d it up, sideline to sideline. They do foul, I've seen Manhattan the same. I think the thought is that the team is deep enough and the refs can't call the foul every time. So go ahead and call it. We have subs
It's incredible. I'm not positive on the number, but 4 or 5 guys AVERAGE 4+ fouls a game, and 4 or 5 others AVERAGE 3.5+ fouls a game - lead the country - unbelievable. They were a bit inconsistent during the year. But teams like that are so dangerous because they bring their A game every night in the tourney. Win or Lose, Huggins gets major kudos from me for once again adapting to his talent. And for reigning in his bat shit crazy daughters.
Amen. I would love to ask guys like Huggins and Shaka Smart how they recruit. Recruit a kid that fits your system, or do you build the kid to adjust to your style of play?
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BTW, in case you haven't noticed NYC players have in general been sh!t lately... The city doesn't produce quality or quantity any longer.
The ones worth recruiting, have been recruited, we won some and lost others. Pretty much how it is regardless of coach...
Gentrification pushing out all the ballers. Happening in DC too. Never thought I'd see lots of kids skateboarding and all other sorts of stuff in parks, sidewalks...unbelievable
Right on. Schoolyards and playgrounds are empty. Not to sound old, I'm 40, but I remember growing up in Rockaway....if you lost you had to wait an hour to get back on the court. Shame
You're not old - this happened in a matter of 10-20 years. You were part of the tradition (waiting your turn). The only time I see that happening is in my fitness center gym - lol ballers have to go there to get good games. My long time rec league couldn't keep older teams together. At the end, we used to have 6-7 guys in their late 30s, early 40s playing against 20-25 y.o. teams. We'd lead or stay close in the first half, then they just knew to keep running. Survival of the fittest - lol. I have a friend doing an older pickup league, but I have to drive 35+ miles - rather just shoot at the gym.
I remember some guys I caddied with as a teenager telling me that it made them sad that they got rid of midnight basketball in White Plains in the mid-late 70s. They said it was organized, secure, and a place to stay away from trouble. I was a surburbanite who thought everyone could just play in their neighborhood. It did open my eyes up to an image of a really fun scene - wish I could have had that too.
http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11216972/playground-basketball-dying (http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11216972/playground-basketball-dying)
Great post bball. I went out for a few beers with my brother to watch the tourny on Thursday. We were talking about this same issue. He's going to bring his 3 kids into Brooklyn and leave them at schoolyard and let them get schooled on the court. They are Long Island kids
Thanks. Sadly, it's reality. I hope us posters think about it when we talk about recruiting.
Your brother's idea is good. A good way for his kids to see a different style of play. Look at what WVU did in their brawl, I mean game, vs. MD. They did anything and everything the refs let them get away with. It was all so subtle, the slight hand checks not getting called, the contact to gain an advantage by slowing down driving MD players. But I commend the players for making it work by working their tails off to move their feet so quickly to not make it glaring enough to call. All of that effort, and of course they still foul like crazy. I was disappointed in how the refs called the game. It's not like Maryland wasn't tough. when Melo left, they were done - no depth at PG - familiar theme, except they were exposed only at one position. Turgeon should have pressed them back earlier.
It's no accident that Huggins' roster has a Baltimore, Brooklyn, Cincy, Miami, Chicago player on their roster. The dudes bust it out there, and are tenacious as hell. But watch what the refs do in the UK game - they're going to call slight hand checks, little bumps, etc. Going to take away that advantage. Without it, they're done.
Great observation. I was so impressed with West Va. I can't name 1 guy on their team, but they d it up, sideline to sideline. They do foul, I've seen Manhattan the same. I think the thought is that the team is deep enough and the refs can't call the foul every time. So go ahead and call it. We have subs
You're so right baldi. Being around AAU I have seen refs literally bullied into not making calls while their team plays in your face D 90 feet from the hoop. Its fun to watch (if you're not coaching against it) and its impossible to ref.
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BTW, in case you haven't noticed NYC players have in general been sh!t lately... The city doesn't produce quality or quantity any longer.
The ones worth recruiting, have been recruited, we won some and lost others. Pretty much how it is regardless of coach...
Gentrification pushing out all the ballers. Happening in DC too. Never thought I'd see lots of kids skateboarding and all other sorts of stuff in parks, sidewalks...unbelievable
Right on. Schoolyards and playgrounds are empty. Not to sound old, I'm 40, but I remember growing up in Rockaway....if you lost you had to wait an hour to get back on the court. Shame
You're not old - this happened in a matter of 10-20 years. You were part of the tradition (waiting your turn). The only time I see that happening is in my fitness center gym - lol ballers have to go there to get good games. My long time rec league couldn't keep older teams together. At the end, we used to have 6-7 guys in their late 30s, early 40s playing against 20-25 y.o. teams. We'd lead or stay close in the first half, then they just knew to keep running. Survival of the fittest - lol. I have a friend doing an older pickup league, but I have to drive 35+ miles - rather just shoot at the gym.
I remember some guys I caddied with as a teenager telling me that it made them sad that they got rid of midnight basketball in White Plains in the mid-late 70s. They said it was organized, secure, and a place to stay away from trouble. I was a surburbanite who thought everyone could just play in their neighborhood. It did open my eyes up to an image of a really fun scene - wish I could have had that too.
http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11216972/playground-basketball-dying (http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11216972/playground-basketball-dying)
Great post bball. I went out for a few beers with my brother to watch the tourny on Thursday. We were talking about this same issue. He's going to bring his 3 kids into Brooklyn and leave them at schoolyard and let them get schooled on the court. They are Long Island kids
Thanks. Sadly, it's reality. I hope us posters think about it when we talk about recruiting.
Your brother's idea is good. A good way for his kids to see a different style of play. Look at what WVU did in their brawl, I mean game, vs. MD. They did anything and everything the refs let them get away with. It was all so subtle, the slight hand checks not getting called, the contact to gain an advantage by slowing down driving MD players. But I commend the players for making it work by working their tails off to move their feet so quickly to not make it glaring enough to call. All of that effort, and of course they still foul like crazy. I was disappointed in how the refs called the game. It's not like Maryland wasn't tough. when Melo left, they were done - no depth at PG - familiar theme, except they were exposed only at one position. Turgeon should have pressed them back earlier.
It's no accident that Huggins' roster has a Baltimore, Brooklyn, Cincy, Miami, Chicago player on their roster. The dudes bust it out there, and are tenacious as hell. But watch what the refs do in the UK game - they're going to call slight hand checks, little bumps, etc. Going to take away that advantage. Without it, they're done.
Great observation. I was so impressed with West Va. I can't name 1 guy on their team, but they d it up, sideline to sideline. They do foul, I've seen Manhattan the same. I think the thought is that the team is deep enough and the refs can't call the foul every time. So go ahead and call it. We have subs
My uncle and other refs always taught me advantage/disadvantage from the beginning. I was disappointed in the lack of hand check calls - that was a point of emphasis going back 5 years ago or so. The refs were consistent, but I thought they let them play a little too much. And missing that bad screen that crushed Melo should have lost them any further games in the tourney. I will see if they get more games. They were top officials - Eades (3 games or more 12 times in the tourney) & Wymer (3 games or more 7 times), & then Oglesby's younger (2 games or more 4 times). But still - the purist in me wants the beauty of the game to come out too - it just couldn't for how they called it.
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BTW, in case you haven't noticed NYC players have in general been sh!t lately... The city doesn't produce quality or quantity any longer.
The ones worth recruiting, have been recruited, we won some and lost others. Pretty much how it is regardless of coach...
Gentrification pushing out all the ballers. Happening in DC too. Never thought I'd see lots of kids skateboarding and all other sorts of stuff in parks, sidewalks...unbelievable
Right on. Schoolyards and playgrounds are empty. Not to sound old, I'm 40, but I remember growing up in Rockaway....if you lost you had to wait an hour to get back on the court. Shame
You're not old - this happened in a matter of 10-20 years. You were part of the tradition (waiting your turn). The only time I see that happening is in my fitness center gym - lol ballers have to go there to get good games. My long time rec league couldn't keep older teams together. At the end, we used to have 6-7 guys in their late 30s, early 40s playing against 20-25 y.o. teams. We'd lead or stay close in the first half, then they just knew to keep running. Survival of the fittest - lol. I have a friend doing an older pickup league, but I have to drive 35+ miles - rather just shoot at the gym.
I remember some guys I caddied with as a teenager telling me that it made them sad that they got rid of midnight basketball in White Plains in the mid-late 70s. They said it was organized, secure, and a place to stay away from trouble. I was a surburbanite who thought everyone could just play in their neighborhood. It did open my eyes up to an image of a really fun scene - wish I could have had that too.
http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11216972/playground-basketball-dying (http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11216972/playground-basketball-dying)
Great post bball. I went out for a few beers with my brother to watch the tourny on Thursday. We were talking about this same issue. He's going to bring his 3 kids into Brooklyn and leave them at schoolyard and let them get schooled on the court. They are Long Island kids
Thanks. Sadly, it's reality. I hope us posters think about it when we talk about recruiting.
Your brother's idea is good. A good way for his kids to see a different style of play. Look at what WVU did in their brawl, I mean game, vs. MD. They did anything and everything the refs let them get away with. It was all so subtle, the slight hand checks not getting called, the contact to gain an advantage by slowing down driving MD players. But I commend the players for making it work by working their tails off to move their feet so quickly to not make it glaring enough to call. All of that effort, and of course they still foul like crazy. I was disappointed in how the refs called the game. It's not like Maryland wasn't tough. when Melo left, they were done - no depth at PG - familiar theme, except they were exposed only at one position. Turgeon should have pressed them back earlier.
It's no accident that Huggins' roster has a Baltimore, Brooklyn, Cincy, Miami, Chicago player on their roster. The dudes bust it out there, and are tenacious as hell. But watch what the refs do in the UK game - they're going to call slight hand checks, little bumps, etc. Going to take away that advantage. Without it, they're done.
Great observation. I was so impressed with West Va. I can't name 1 guy on their team, but they d it up, sideline to sideline. They do foul, I've seen Manhattan the same. I think the thought is that the team is deep enough and the refs can't call the foul every time. So go ahead and call it. We have subs
You're so right baldi. Being around AAU I have seen refs literally bullied into not making calls while their team plays in your face D 90 feet from the hoop. Its fun to watch (if you're not coaching against it) and its impossible to ref.
I know it's off topic, but this is what Massielo does. I've seen it year after year. Hand check and push and shove, refs call it. So be it. Sub another guard in to do the same. This is how they took AJ English down. Beat him down
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BTW, in case you haven't noticed NYC players have in general been sh!t lately... The city doesn't produce quality or quantity any longer.
The ones worth recruiting, have been recruited, we won some and lost others. Pretty much how it is regardless of coach...
Gentrification pushing out all the ballers. Happening in DC too. Never thought I'd see lots of kids skateboarding and all other sorts of stuff in parks, sidewalks...unbelievable
Right on. Schoolyards and playgrounds are empty. Not to sound old, I'm 40, but I remember growing up in Rockaway....if you lost you had to wait an hour to get back on the court. Shame
You're not old - this happened in a matter of 10-20 years. You were part of the tradition (waiting your turn). The only time I see that happening is in my fitness center gym - lol ballers have to go there to get good games. My long time rec league couldn't keep older teams together. At the end, we used to have 6-7 guys in their late 30s, early 40s playing against 20-25 y.o. teams. We'd lead or stay close in the first half, then they just knew to keep running. Survival of the fittest - lol. I have a friend doing an older pickup league, but I have to drive 35+ miles - rather just shoot at the gym.
I remember some guys I caddied with as a teenager telling me that it made them sad that they got rid of midnight basketball in White Plains in the mid-late 70s. They said it was organized, secure, and a place to stay away from trouble. I was a surburbanite who thought everyone could just play in their neighborhood. It did open my eyes up to an image of a really fun scene - wish I could have had that too.
http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11216972/playground-basketball-dying (http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11216972/playground-basketball-dying)
Great post bball. I went out for a few beers with my brother to watch the tourny on Thursday. We were talking about this same issue. He's going to bring his 3 kids into Brooklyn and leave them at schoolyard and let them get schooled on the court. They are Long Island kids
Thanks. Sadly, it's reality. I hope us posters think about it when we talk about recruiting.
Your brother's idea is good. A good way for his kids to see a different style of play. Look at what WVU did in their brawl, I mean game, vs. MD. They did anything and everything the refs let them get away with. It was all so subtle, the slight hand checks not getting called, the contact to gain an advantage by slowing down driving MD players. But I commend the players for making it work by working their tails off to move their feet so quickly to not make it glaring enough to call. All of that effort, and of course they still foul like crazy. I was disappointed in how the refs called the game. It's not like Maryland wasn't tough. when Melo left, they were done - no depth at PG - familiar theme, except they were exposed only at one position. Turgeon should have pressed them back earlier.
It's no accident that Huggins' roster has a Baltimore, Brooklyn, Cincy, Miami, Chicago player on their roster. The dudes bust it out there, and are tenacious as hell. But watch what the refs do in the UK game - they're going to call slight hand checks, little bumps, etc. Going to take away that advantage. Without it, they're done.
Great observation. I was so impressed with West Va. I can't name 1 guy on their team, but they d it up, sideline to sideline. They do foul, I've seen Manhattan the same. I think the thought is that the team is deep enough and the refs can't call the foul every time. So go ahead and call it. We have subs
You're so right baldi. Being around AAU I have seen refs literally bullied into not making calls while their team plays in your face D 90 feet from the hoop. Its fun to watch (if you're not coaching against it) and its impossible to ref.
You know what else is impossible to ref? A rec game between Yonkers Police Dept and Yonkers Fire Dept, and your partner doesn't show. One of the hardest 2 games I ever refereed - lmao. I threw a cop out with 2 Ts.... :knuppel2:
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BTW, in case you haven't noticed NYC players have in general been sh!t lately... The city doesn't produce quality or quantity any longer.
The ones worth recruiting, have been recruited, we won some and lost others. Pretty much how it is regardless of coach...
Gentrification pushing out all the ballers. Happening in DC too. Never thought I'd see lots of kids skateboarding and all other sorts of stuff in parks, sidewalks...unbelievable
Right on. Schoolyards and playgrounds are empty. Not to sound old, I'm 40, but I remember growing up in Rockaway....if you lost you had to wait an hour to get back on the court. Shame
You're not old - this happened in a matter of 10-20 years. You were part of the tradition (waiting your turn). The only time I see that happening is in my fitness center gym - lol ballers have to go there to get good games. My long time rec league couldn't keep older teams together. At the end, we used to have 6-7 guys in their late 30s, early 40s playing against 20-25 y.o. teams. We'd lead or stay close in the first half, then they just knew to keep running. Survival of the fittest - lol. I have a friend doing an older pickup league, but I have to drive 35+ miles - rather just shoot at the gym.
I remember some guys I caddied with as a teenager telling me that it made them sad that they got rid of midnight basketball in White Plains in the mid-late 70s. They said it was organized, secure, and a place to stay away from trouble. I was a surburbanite who thought everyone could just play in their neighborhood. It did open my eyes up to an image of a really fun scene - wish I could have had that too.
http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11216972/playground-basketball-dying (http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11216972/playground-basketball-dying)
Great post bball. I went out for a few beers with my brother to watch the tourny on Thursday. We were talking about this same issue. He's going to bring his 3 kids into Brooklyn and leave them at schoolyard and let them get schooled on the court. They are Long Island kids
Thanks. Sadly, it's reality. I hope us posters think about it when we talk about recruiting.
Your brother's idea is good. A good way for his kids to see a different style of play. Look at what WVU did in their brawl, I mean game, vs. MD. They did anything and everything the refs let them get away with. It was all so subtle, the slight hand checks not getting called, the contact to gain an advantage by slowing down driving MD players. But I commend the players for making it work by working their tails off to move their feet so quickly to not make it glaring enough to call. All of that effort, and of course they still foul like crazy. I was disappointed in how the refs called the game. It's not like Maryland wasn't tough. when Melo left, they were done - no depth at PG - familiar theme, except they were exposed only at one position. Turgeon should have pressed them back earlier.
It's no accident that Huggins' roster has a Baltimore, Brooklyn, Cincy, Miami, Chicago player on their roster. The dudes bust it out there, and are tenacious as hell. But watch what the refs do in the UK game - they're going to call slight hand checks, little bumps, etc. Going to take away that advantage. Without it, they're done.
Great observation. I was so impressed with West Va. I can't name 1 guy on their team, but they d it up, sideline to sideline. They do foul, I've seen Manhattan the same. I think the thought is that the team is deep enough and the refs can't call the foul every time. So go ahead and call it. We have subs
You're so right baldi. Being around AAU I have seen refs literally bullied into not making calls while their team plays in your face D 90 feet from the hoop. Its fun to watch (if you're not coaching against it) and its impossible to ref.
You know what else is impossible to ref? A rec game between Yonkers Police Dept and Yonkers Fire Dept, and your partner doesn't show. One of the hardest 2 games I ever refereed - lmao. I threw a cop out with 2 Ts.... :knuppel2:
Hahahahha I love hearing shit like this
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BTW, in case you haven't noticed NYC players have in general been sh!t lately... The city doesn't produce quality or quantity any longer.
The ones worth recruiting, have been recruited, we won some and lost others. Pretty much how it is regardless of coach...
Gentrification pushing out all the ballers. Happening in DC too. Never thought I'd see lots of kids skateboarding and all other sorts of stuff in parks, sidewalks...unbelievable
Right on. Schoolyards and playgrounds are empty. Not to sound old, I'm 40, but I remember growing up in Rockaway....if you lost you had to wait an hour to get back on the court. Shame
You're not old - this happened in a matter of 10-20 years. You were part of the tradition (waiting your turn). The only time I see that happening is in my fitness center gym - lol ballers have to go there to get good games. My long time rec league couldn't keep older teams together. At the end, we used to have 6-7 guys in their late 30s, early 40s playing against 20-25 y.o. teams. We'd lead or stay close in the first half, then they just knew to keep running. Survival of the fittest - lol. I have a friend doing an older pickup league, but I have to drive 35+ miles - rather just shoot at the gym.
I remember some guys I caddied with as a teenager telling me that it made them sad that they got rid of midnight basketball in White Plains in the mid-late 70s. They said it was organized, secure, and a place to stay away from trouble. I was a surburbanite who thought everyone could just play in their neighborhood. It did open my eyes up to an image of a really fun scene - wish I could have had that too.
http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11216972/playground-basketball-dying (http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11216972/playground-basketball-dying)
Great post bball. I went out for a few beers with my brother to watch the tourny on Thursday. We were talking about this same issue. He's going to bring his 3 kids into Brooklyn and leave them at schoolyard and let them get schooled on the court. They are Long Island kids
Thanks. Sadly, it's reality. I hope us posters think about it when we talk about recruiting.
Your brother's idea is good. A good way for his kids to see a different style of play. Look at what WVU did in their brawl, I mean game, vs. MD. They did anything and everything the refs let them get away with. It was all so subtle, the slight hand checks not getting called, the contact to gain an advantage by slowing down driving MD players. But I commend the players for making it work by working their tails off to move their feet so quickly to not make it glaring enough to call. All of that effort, and of course they still foul like crazy. I was disappointed in how the refs called the game. It's not like Maryland wasn't tough. when Melo left, they were done - no depth at PG - familiar theme, except they were exposed only at one position. Turgeon should have pressed them back earlier.
It's no accident that Huggins' roster has a Baltimore, Brooklyn, Cincy, Miami, Chicago player on their roster. The dudes bust it out there, and are tenacious as hell. But watch what the refs do in the UK game - they're going to call slight hand checks, little bumps, etc. Going to take away that advantage. Without it, they're done.
Great observation. I was so impressed with West Va. I can't name 1 guy on their team, but they d it up, sideline to sideline. They do foul, I've seen Manhattan the same. I think the thought is that the team is deep enough and the refs can't call the foul every time. So go ahead and call it. We have subs
You're so right baldi. Being around AAU I have seen refs literally bullied into not making calls while their team plays in your face D 90 feet from the hoop. Its fun to watch (if you're not coaching against it) and its impossible to ref.
You know what else is impossible to ref? A rec game between Yonkers Police Dept and Yonkers Fire Dept, and your partner doesn't show. One of the hardest 2 games I ever refereed - lmao. I threw a cop out with 2 Ts.... :knuppel2:
Hahahahha I love hearing shit like this
It was a literal zoo. These guys come out of work after a rough day I'm sure, suit up, and then beat the living bejeezus out of each other. I might be repeating an old story, but working by myself, the usual mechanics is to stay by midcourt slightly to the side to get the best angle possible for one person. Only problem is, I had to momentarily turn my head running up court because the short, stocky cop was tuning up a tall, skinny fireman every other time up the floor. F'n unreal. so I kept catching him elbowing, etc., and he got pissed I caught him. 2 Ts later, and his ass was gone.
Years later, and I'm watching Rescue Me. Denis Leary and his NYFD firemen vs. the NYPD in hockey - and they're killing each other - I never laughed so hard at a sports scene.
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BTW, in case you haven't noticed NYC players have in general been sh!t lately... The city doesn't produce quality or quantity any longer.
The ones worth recruiting, have been recruited, we won some and lost others. Pretty much how it is regardless of coach...
Gentrification pushing out all the ballers. Happening in DC too. Never thought I'd see lots of kids skateboarding and all other sorts of stuff in parks, sidewalks...unbelievable
Right on. Schoolyards and playgrounds are empty. Not to sound old, I'm 40, but I remember growing up in Rockaway....if you lost you had to wait an hour to get back on the court. Shame
You're not old - this happened in a matter of 10-20 years. You were part of the tradition (waiting your turn). The only time I see that happening is in my fitness center gym - lol ballers have to go there to get good games. My long time rec league couldn't keep older teams together. At the end, we used to have 6-7 guys in their late 30s, early 40s playing against 20-25 y.o. teams. We'd lead or stay close in the first half, then they just knew to keep running. Survival of the fittest - lol. I have a friend doing an older pickup league, but I have to drive 35+ miles - rather just shoot at the gym.
I remember some guys I caddied with as a teenager telling me that it made them sad that they got rid of midnight basketball in White Plains in the mid-late 70s. They said it was organized, secure, and a place to stay away from trouble. I was a surburbanite who thought everyone could just play in their neighborhood. It did open my eyes up to an image of a really fun scene - wish I could have had that too.
http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11216972/playground-basketball-dying (http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11216972/playground-basketball-dying)
Great post bball. I went out for a few beers with my brother to watch the tourny on Thursday. We were talking about this same issue. He's going to bring his 3 kids into Brooklyn and leave them at schoolyard and let them get schooled on the court. They are Long Island kids
A family friend of mine from Cali did the same thing with his kids one weekend.
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Grew up in Long Island . Been a nyc teacher and coach for 13 years. Long Island kids are tough. City kids are soft. Not even close.
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BTW, in case you haven't noticed NYC players have in general been sh!t lately... The city doesn't produce quality or quantity any longer.
The ones worth recruiting, have been recruited, we won some and lost others. Pretty much how it is regardless of coach...
Gentrification pushing out all the ballers. Happening in DC too. Never thought I'd see lots of kids skateboarding and all other sorts of stuff in parks, sidewalks...unbelievable
Right on. Schoolyards and playgrounds are empty. Not to sound old, I'm 40, but I remember growing up in Rockaway....if you lost you had to wait an hour to get back on the court. Shame
You're not old - this happened in a matter of 10-20 years. You were part of the tradition (waiting your turn). The only time I see that happening is in my fitness center gym - lol ballers have to go there to get good games. My long time rec league couldn't keep older teams together. At the end, we used to have 6-7 guys in their late 30s, early 40s playing against 20-25 y.o. teams. We'd lead or stay close in the first half, then they just knew to keep running. Survival of the fittest - lol. I have a friend doing an older pickup league, but I have to drive 35+ miles - rather just shoot at the gym.
I remember some guys I caddied with as a teenager telling me that it made them sad that they got rid of midnight basketball in White Plains in the mid-late 70s. They said it was organized, secure, and a place to stay away from trouble. I was a surburbanite who thought everyone could just play in their neighborhood. It did open my eyes up to an image of a really fun scene - wish I could have had that too.
http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11216972/playground-basketball-dying (http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11216972/playground-basketball-dying)
Great post bball. I went out for a few beers with my brother to watch the tourny on Thursday. We were talking about this same issue. He's going to bring his 3 kids into Brooklyn and leave them at schoolyard and let them get schooled on the court. They are Long Island kids
Thanks. Sadly, it's reality. I hope us posters think about it when we talk about recruiting.
Your brother's idea is good. A good way for his kids to see a different style of play. Look at what WVU did in their brawl, I mean game, vs. MD. They did anything and everything the refs let them get away with. It was all so subtle, the slight hand checks not getting called, the contact to gain an advantage by slowing down driving MD players. But I commend the players for making it work by working their tails off to move their feet so quickly to not make it glaring enough to call. All of that effort, and of course they still foul like crazy. I was disappointed in how the refs called the game. It's not like Maryland wasn't tough. when Melo left, they were done - no depth at PG - familiar theme, except they were exposed only at one position. Turgeon should have pressed them back earlier.
It's no accident that Huggins' roster has a Baltimore, Brooklyn, Cincy, Miami, Chicago player on their roster. The dudes bust it out there, and are tenacious as hell. But watch what the refs do in the UK game - they're going to call slight hand checks, little bumps, etc. Going to take away that advantage. Without it, they're done.
Great observation. I was so impressed with West Va. I can't name 1 guy on their team, but they d it up, sideline to sideline. They do foul, I've seen Manhattan the same. I think the thought is that the team is deep enough and the refs can't call the foul every time. So go ahead and call it. We have subs
You're so right baldi. Being around AAU I have seen refs literally bullied into not making calls while their team plays in your face D 90 feet from the hoop. Its fun to watch (if you're not coaching against it) and its impossible to ref.
You know what else is impossible to ref? A rec game between Yonkers Police Dept and Yonkers Fire Dept, and your partner doesn't show. One of the hardest 2 games I ever refereed - lmao. I threw a cop out with 2 Ts.... :knuppel2:
Hahahahha I love hearing shit like this
It was a literal zoo. These guys come out of work after a rough day I'm sure, suit up, and then beat the living bejeezus out of each other. I might be repeating an old story, but working by myself, the usual mechanics is to stay by midcourt slightly to the side to get the best angle possible for one person. Only problem is, I had to momentarily turn my head running up court because the short, stocky cop was tuning up a tall, skinny fireman every other time up the floor. F'n unreal. so I kept catching him elbowing, etc., and he got pissed I caught him. 2 Ts later, and his ass was gone.
Years later, and I'm watching Rescue Me. Denis Leary and his NYFD firemen vs. the NYPD in hockey - and they're killing each other - I never laughed so hard at a sports scene.
My brother played on the FDNY hoops team, loved going to those foul fests.
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BTW, in case you haven't noticed NYC players have in general been sh!t lately... The city doesn't produce quality or quantity any longer.
The ones worth recruiting, have been recruited, we won some and lost others. Pretty much how it is regardless of coach...
Gentrification pushing out all the ballers. Happening in DC too. Never thought I'd see lots of kids skateboarding and all other sorts of stuff in parks, sidewalks...unbelievable
Right on. Schoolyards and playgrounds are empty. Not to sound old, I'm 40, but I remember growing up in Rockaway....if you lost you had to wait an hour to get back on the court. Shame
You're not old - this happened in a matter of 10-20 years. You were part of the tradition (waiting your turn). The only time I see that happening is in my fitness center gym - lol ballers have to go there to get good games. My long time rec league couldn't keep older teams together. At the end, we used to have 6-7 guys in their late 30s, early 40s playing against 20-25 y.o. teams. We'd lead or stay close in the first half, then they just knew to keep running. Survival of the fittest - lol. I have a friend doing an older pickup league, but I have to drive 35+ miles - rather just shoot at the gym.
I remember some guys I caddied with as a teenager telling me that it made them sad that they got rid of midnight basketball in White Plains in the mid-late 70s. They said it was organized, secure, and a place to stay away from trouble. I was a surburbanite who thought everyone could just play in their neighborhood. It did open my eyes up to an image of a really fun scene - wish I could have had that too.
http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11216972/playground-basketball-dying (http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11216972/playground-basketball-dying)
Great post bball. I went out for a few beers with my brother to watch the tourny on Thursday. We were talking about this same issue. He's going to bring his 3 kids into Brooklyn and leave them at schoolyard and let them get schooled on the court. They are Long Island kids
Thanks. Sadly, it's reality. I hope us posters think about it when we talk about recruiting.
Your brother's idea is good. A good way for his kids to see a different style of play. Look at what WVU did in their brawl, I mean game, vs. MD. They did anything and everything the refs let them get away with. It was all so subtle, the slight hand checks not getting called, the contact to gain an advantage by slowing down driving MD players. But I commend the players for making it work by working their tails off to move their feet so quickly to not make it glaring enough to call. All of that effort, and of course they still foul like crazy. I was disappointed in how the refs called the game. It's not like Maryland wasn't tough. when Melo left, they were done - no depth at PG - familiar theme, except they were exposed only at one position. Turgeon should have pressed them back earlier.
It's no accident that Huggins' roster has a Baltimore, Brooklyn, Cincy, Miami, Chicago player on their roster. The dudes bust it out there, and are tenacious as hell. But watch what the refs do in the UK game - they're going to call slight hand checks, little bumps, etc. Going to take away that advantage. Without it, they're done.
Great observation. I was so impressed with West Va. I can't name 1 guy on their team, but they d it up, sideline to sideline. They do foul, I've seen Manhattan the same. I think the thought is that the team is deep enough and the refs can't call the foul every time. So go ahead and call it. We have subs
You're so right baldi. Being around AAU I have seen refs literally bullied into not making calls while their team plays in your face D 90 feet from the hoop. Its fun to watch (if you're not coaching against it) and its impossible to ref.
I know it's off topic, but this is what Massielo does. I've seen it year after year. Hand check and push and shove, refs call it. So be it. Sub another guard in to do the same. This is how they took AJ English down. Beat him down
True. I only like it when he's winning cause it's my team, but that style of play doesn't appeal to me when it degrades into a game of bumper cars. If Cluess only practiced D equally with O (I'm assuming they don't - hah), he might get over both tourney humps more.
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BTW, in case you haven't noticed NYC players have in general been sh!t lately... The city doesn't produce quality or quantity any longer.
The ones worth recruiting, have been recruited, we won some and lost others. Pretty much how it is regardless of coach...
Gentrification pushing out all the ballers. Happening in DC too. Never thought I'd see lots of kids skateboarding and all other sorts of stuff in parks, sidewalks...unbelievable
Right on. Schoolyards and playgrounds are empty. Not to sound old, I'm 40, but I remember growing up in Rockaway....if you lost you had to wait an hour to get back on the court. Shame
You're not old - this happened in a matter of 10-20 years. You were part of the tradition (waiting your turn). The only time I see that happening is in my fitness center gym - lol ballers have to go there to get good games. My long time rec league couldn't keep older teams together. At the end, we used to have 6-7 guys in their late 30s, early 40s playing against 20-25 y.o. teams. We'd lead or stay close in the first half, then they just knew to keep running. Survival of the fittest - lol. I have a friend doing an older pickup league, but I have to drive 35+ miles - rather just shoot at the gym.
I remember some guys I caddied with as a teenager telling me that it made them sad that they got rid of midnight basketball in White Plains in the mid-late 70s. They said it was organized, secure, and a place to stay away from trouble. I was a surburbanite who thought everyone could just play in their neighborhood. It did open my eyes up to an image of a really fun scene - wish I could have had that too.
http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11216972/playground-basketball-dying (http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11216972/playground-basketball-dying)
Great post bball. I went out for a few beers with my brother to watch the tourny on Thursday. We were talking about this same issue. He's going to bring his 3 kids into Brooklyn and leave them at schoolyard and let them get schooled on the court. They are Long Island kids
Thanks. Sadly, it's reality. I hope us posters think about it when we talk about recruiting.
Your brother's idea is good. A good way for his kids to see a different style of play. Look at what WVU did in their brawl, I mean game, vs. MD. They did anything and everything the refs let them get away with. It was all so subtle, the slight hand checks not getting called, the contact to gain an advantage by slowing down driving MD players. But I commend the players for making it work by working their tails off to move their feet so quickly to not make it glaring enough to call. All of that effort, and of course they still foul like crazy. I was disappointed in how the refs called the game. It's not like Maryland wasn't tough. when Melo left, they were done - no depth at PG - familiar theme, except they were exposed only at one position. Turgeon should have pressed them back earlier.
It's no accident that Huggins' roster has a Baltimore, Brooklyn, Cincy, Miami, Chicago player on their roster. The dudes bust it out there, and are tenacious as hell. But watch what the refs do in the UK game - they're going to call slight hand checks, little bumps, etc. Going to take away that advantage. Without it, they're done.
Great observation. I was so impressed with West Va. I can't name 1 guy on their team, but they d it up, sideline to sideline. They do foul, I've seen Manhattan the same. I think the thought is that the team is deep enough and the refs can't call the foul every time. So go ahead and call it. We have subs
You're so right baldi. Being around AAU I have seen refs literally bullied into not making calls while their team plays in your face D 90 feet from the hoop. Its fun to watch (if you're not coaching against it) and its impossible to ref.
I know it's off topic, but this is what Massielo does. I've seen it year after year. Hand check and push and shove, refs call it. So be it. Sub another guard in to do the same. This is how they took AJ English down. Beat him down
True. I only like it when he's winning cause it's my team, but that style of play doesn't appeal to me when it degrades into a game of bumper cars. If Cluess only practiced D equally with O (I'm assuming they don't - hah), he might get over both tourney humps more.
Lack of depth and Cluess loves leaving his 5 best on the floor, regardless of position. He wouldn't get the talent if he preached defense. This is why Mas is tough, he recognizes your weakness and exploits
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I believe Archie Miller signed an extension today.
St Johns is screwing this up by not making an official statement. If they were parting ways it should have been done Monday. They are total nice persons when it comes to basketball operations.
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I believe Archie Miller signed an extension today.
St Johns is screwing this up by not making an official statement. If they were parting ways it should have been done Monday. They are total nice persons when it comes to basketball operations.
They are not partying ways, no need to make an official statement until the extension is finalized. Who cares what a few crack pots tweet. Then we can all celebrate.
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Ty Grant wondering why Jesse Govan wasnt recruited by St Johns
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Ty Grant wondering why Jesse Govan wasnt recruited by St Johns
on Twitter?
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Ty Grant wondering why Jesse Govan wasnt recruited by St Johns
on Twitter?
Yup. I think Lavin is done also
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Ty Grant wondering why Jesse Govan wasnt recruited by St Johns
Lavin would have recruited him if he could have gone to Italy to do it.
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Ty Grant wondering why Jesse Govan wasnt recruited by St Johns
Because Jessie Govan made it known G'Town was his 'dream school'. Why waste time...
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Ty Grant wondering why Jesse Govan wasnt recruited by St Johns
Because Jessie Govan made it know G'Town was his 'dream school'. Why waste time...
Had the academics to get into G'Town
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Ty Grant wondering why Jesse Govan wasnt recruited by St Johns
on Twitter?
Yup. I think Lavin is done also
Give it 5 minutes, he will be getting an extension again
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Just got this notification
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National Media says extension; local message board 'insiders' say fired.
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Just Baldi and he's never, ever wrong
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National Media says extension; local message board 'insiders' say fired.
National media?
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Yesterday, you said he'd be let go today.
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Ty Grant wondering why Jesse Govan wasnt recruited by St Johns
Because Jessie Govan made it known G'Town was his 'dream school'. Why waste time...
Lets not let facts get in the way of attempts to flame message boards.
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Yesterday, you said he'd be let go today.
National media said he was in negotiations
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Ty Grant wondering why Jesse Govan wasnt recruited by St Johns
Because Jessie Govan made it known G'Town was his 'dream school'. Why waste time...
Lets not let facts get in the way of attempts to flame messages boards.
Ya what would Ty Grant know anyways
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Just got this notification
Report: St. John's, Steve Lavin close to extension
Mar 26 2015, 4:25 PMBlake Murphy
The upward swing of the St. John's basketball program looks set to continue.
Rather than let Steve Lavin enter the 2015-16 season as a lame duck - and likely welcoming speculation of interest from bigger suitors - St. John's is in the process of finalizing an extension with their head coach. While the deal is being finalized, the number of years is still being discussed, according to a report from Andy Katz of ESPN.
Lavin has some leverage, having just led the Red Storm to the NCAA tournament with a 21-12 record and 10-8 mark in the Big East. In five seasons at the helm, Lavin has taken St. John's to two NCAA tournament appearances and a pair of NIT berths, with the former marking the school's first since 2002.
Prior to landing with St. John's, Lavin spent seven seasons at UCLA, making the tournament six times. He owns a 226-133 career record.
St. John's has the No. 40-ranked incoming recruiting class for 2015, according to 247Sports.
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Ty Grant wondering why Jesse Govan wasnt recruited by St Johns
Because Jessie Govan made it known G'Town was his 'dream school'. Why waste time...
Lets not let facts get in the way of attempts to flame messages boards.
Ya what would Ty Grant know anyways
Apparently, he didn't know that Govan was a heavy GT lean.
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I'm not disputing that demographics changes, that's obvious. Elizabeth HS in NJ used to be in the USA Top 25 in football and basketball in the 80 and early 90's and was a powerhouse. Different immigrant groups started moving in, these groups played soccer more than football and basketball and Elizabeth's hoops and football teams suffered.
My point is that it's obvious that all the powerhouses will go after the top kids from NY/NJ. The real issue though is to not look at the next tier of kids behind the blue chipper in the NY Metro area.
I played football and basketball in HS in Bergen county and had to play against the top inner city players from Jersey City, Paterson and Newark growing up in HS and AAU.
All that talent in North Jersey, and even Central Jersey nowadays, and I've rarely ever seen SJU in on these kids. These days, kids go to all different schools in NJ that no one even considered 20 years ago when I was in HS. It's not the Briscoes I'm mad about. It's the other kids on Roselle Catholic, Pope John, the Patrick School and all the other laundry list of schools in NJ and NY that are powerhouse HS teams that SJU doesn't even look at.
Sure I agree that they could take a look at DC and Baltimore too. Tons of talent down there and the WCAC is very similar to the North Jersey powerhouse Catholic leagues. But take care of your own backyard first is my point. It's a quick car ride away versus a couple of hour trip and the staff has done a poor job of mining it.
I'll take a local kid over some unknown from Arizona who are relatively equal in the ratings anyday of the week.
I totally agree with still recruiting those next tier players. If I had one thing to say to Lavin and staff, it's what many here harp on - due the homework and get those next tier guys that are hungry and play really hard. It's tricky, because one cannot stoop too low for many players either. But running out 8-9 guys like that is better than 5-7 guys like we had that had to work extra hard just to maintain. If we were 3-4 deep with legitimate front line players, this could have been a 25 win team, no problem. Look at Huggins - going to run out 10-11 guys Friday night. And they're all going to be busting it, win or lose.
BTW - even in football in Northern NJ - it's incredible that more high schools have joined the powerhouse party - like 5 now, right? St. Peter's was really good this year. I watched them on MSG Varsity a few times. My HS (Stepinac) won the AAA championship for the first time in 59 years - incredible.
Totally agree that if we had 3-4 really serviceable big guys then 25 wins was definitely within reach for this year's team.
I'm on board with you on the thought that I don't want all second tier guys from this area in place of better prospects from outside the area. However, with 18M people in the Metro area, there has got to be a few under the radar guys each year that the Johnnies should at least be targeting.
Exactly. It was originally the Big 3 and they are all in Bergen county very close to each other. Don Bosco, Bergen Catholic and St. Joseph Regional (Montvale). Then like you said, St. Peter's Prep joined the party from Hudson county. Now Paramus Catholic is one of the new big dogs on the national level and they're in Bergen Co. as well. So yes, it's now the Big 5, plus a few other powerhouse Catholics from around Northern NJ and one or two in Central NJ.
Yeah I saw that Stepinac was a powerhouse this year. They looked very strong from the few times I saw highlights on MSGV. Wow, 59 years? That is incredible!
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Lets also remember that the original story regarding the extension talk from Decourcy said a deal could be in place by early next week.
He's sticking to that.
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Just got this notification
Report: St. John's, Steve Lavin close to extension
Mar 26 2015, 4:25 PMBlake Murphy
The upward swing of the St. John's basketball program looks set to continue.
Rather than let Steve Lavin enter the 2015-16 season as a lame duck - and likely welcoming speculation of interest from bigger suitors - St. John's is in the process of finalizing an extension with their head coach. While the deal is being finalized, the number of years is still being discussed, according to a report from Andy Katz of ESPN.
Lavin has some leverage, having just led the Red Storm to the NCAA tournament with a 21-12 record and 10-8 mark in the Big East. In five seasons at the helm, Lavin has taken St. John's to two NCAA tournament appearances and a pair of NIT berths, with the former marking the school's first since 2002.
Prior to landing with St. John's, Lavin spent seven seasons at UCLA, making the tournament six times. He owns a 226-133 career record.
St. John's has the No. 40-ranked incoming recruiting class for 2015, according to 247Sports.
How can they be "finalizing" a contract when they haven't even settled on the number of years?
Finalizing is "we've agreed on years and $$$, we just have to iron out the car allowance and how much you're contributing to the dental plan." It isnt "we havent decided on the single most important detail of the contract".
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Are they in contract negotiations or is Lavin seeing Diallo today? Or neither?
Conspicuously absent from your scenario analysis is the possibility of doing both in one day. Centereach is less than an hour from campus.
Can't do 1 without doing the other.
Christ the King is closer
coach arbs will put out the welcome tea and crumpets for lavin
Pretty impressive that a coach can alienate a top city program
I'm glad Lavin isn't kissing up to them. What good did it do for Norm? For decades they have been funneling their top prospects out of the city. Finally, we have a coach with a national/international reach, he doesn't need their mid major players. He can use those spots to build relationships elsewhere were it will actually pay off.
Coach Lavin has international reach? Time would be better spent in the Boroughs with Louie's tokens. Has he really spent time in Europe or South America?
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Are they in contract negotiations or is Lavin seeing Diallo today? Or neither?
Conspicuously absent from your scenario analysis is the possibility of doing both in one day. Centereach is less than an hour from campus.
Can't do 1 without doing the other.
Christ the King is closer
coach arbs will put out the welcome tea and crumpets for lavin
Pretty impressive that a coach can alienate a top city program
I'm glad Lavin isn't kissing up to them. What good did it do for Norm? For decades they have been funneling their top prospects out of the city. Finally, we have a coach with a national/international reach, he doesn't need their mid major players. He can use those spots to build relationships elsewhere were it will actually pay off.
Coach Lavin has international reach? Time would be better spent in the Boroughs with Louie's tokens. Has he really spent time in Europe or South America?
Why? There were studs left and right in NYC when Louie was at the helm. Not so, much nowadays.
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Are they in contract negotiations or is Lavin seeing Diallo today? Or neither?
Conspicuously absent from your scenario analysis is the possibility of doing both in one day. Centereach is less than an hour from campus.
Can't do 1 without doing the other.
Christ the King is closer
coach arbs will put out the welcome tea and crumpets for lavin
Pretty impressive that a coach can alienate a top city program
I'm glad Lavin isn't kissing up to them. What good did it do for Norm? For decades they have been funneling their top prospects out of the city. Finally, we have a coach with a national/international reach, he doesn't need their mid major players. He can use those spots to build relationships elsewhere were it will actually pay off.
Coach Lavin has international reach? Time would be better spent in the Boroughs with Louie's tokens. Has he really spent time in Europe or South America?
Why? There were studs left and right in NYC when Louie was at the helm. Not so, much nowadays.
Plus tokens are useless now a days.
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Yesterday, you said he'd be let go today.
In fairness to Baldi, I heard yesterday from multiple people that he would be let go so I believe that was the info being generated.
Obviously if Lavin was going out yesterday to recruit, he must have had an idea that he would be retained
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JayOn saying the Lavin and staff will be fired today.
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Paraphrasing Wellinton Mara -
Before you fire someone it is imperative to have a replacement who is a clear upgrade
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Folks should just relax and take it easy. Heck! The college basketball season isn't even over.
I'm sure we'll know something shortly. Before the internet most folks wouldn't have a clue what was going on.
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Folks should just relax and take it easy. Heck! The college basketball season isn't even over.
I'm sure we'll know something shortly. Before the internet most folks wouldn't have a clue what was going on.
the funny part is that this is really not news. the same people on these boards are now on twitter. at most there may be 40 consistent fans. lol.
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Jon Rothstein says Lavin is gone.
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Thank goodness. Now lets get a home run hire
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jeffborzello Jeff Borzello
St. John's and Steve Lavin have mutually agreed to part ways, per the school.
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ESPNDanaOneil Dana O'Neil
St Johns announces Steve Lavin out as head coach. Mutually agree to part ways
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I wonder how the sporting news, Andy Katz etc are feeling now?
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I wonder how the sporting news, Andy Katz etc are feeling now?
Kind of similar to Daxter Miles.
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All the beat writers now saying the same things that have been posted here for weeks
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All the beat writers now saying the same things that have been posted here for weeks
I think HNK has to take a 3 month break from this board now or something
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I am glad to...but Baldi never responded to my offer.
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All the beat writers now saying the same things that have been posted here for weeks
I think HNK has to take a 3 month break from this board now or something
Some crow to be passed around?
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All the beat writers now saying the same things that have been posted here for weeks
I think HNK has to take a 3 month break from this board now or something
Some crow to be passed around?
Nicely done Baldi. Thanks.
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We'll just forget the fact that Baldi has predicted this every year since Lavin's been coach. LOL. Broken clock and all that.
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We'll just forget the fact that Baldi has predicted this every year since Lavin's been coach. LOL. Broken clock and all that.
And what about those extension thumpers? Good job by them
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Thanks, Coach!
What really bothered me about Coach Lavin, besides his poor post season record, was his recent poor recruiting record.
Lets face it, that was going to be one of his strengths. Over the past three season he has only recruited Chris O. and Mr. Jordan. Yes, he had that great earlier recruiting class, but why did the recruiting well dry up. And that includes this incoming season, when you would have thought, with all of our openings, he would have repeated his earlier big successful recruiting class. Did Coach Lavin pull another version of the latter years of Coach Jarvis, and wait for the fish to jump into the SJU boat?
I hope we succeed in bringing in a coach that can both recruit and win in March.
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Keep in mind that several major media outlets, including the Worldwide Leader, all reported this week that Lavin was getting extended.
3:00pm - 27 Mar 15
Zags
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So they lowballed Lavin, was that because of Lavin or how they intend to run the program moving forward?
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So they lowballed Lavin, was that because of Lavin or how they intend to run the program moving forward?
My guess, and it's just a guess, is that the administration was fine with keeping him at a lower salary or just letting him walk if he declined the pay cut. He declined and they decided to move on. They didn't like him enough to meet his demands or dislike him enough to fire him or not offer him some sort of extension
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So they lowballed Lavin, was that because of Lavin or how they intend to run the program moving forward?
My guess, and it's just a guess, is that the administration was fine with keeping him at a lower salary or just letting him walk if he declined the pay cut. He declined and they decided to move on. They didn't like him enough to meet his demands or dislike him enough to fire him or not offer him some sort of extension
Does that make sense though? Either you feel he's the right person for the job or he's not, regardless of what your paying him. The expectations for the program should be the same.
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Keep in mind that several major media outlets, including the Worldwide Leader, all reported this week that Lavin was getting extended.
3:00pm - 27 Mar 15
Zags
That is not exactly hat theyreported they did report that he was in extension talks which clearly implied it was moving in that direction.
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Good luck coach.
As for SJU, hopefully on to bigger and better....
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@AdamZagoria 4m4 minutes ago New York, USA
Other names I've heard at St. John's besides Chris Mullin and Danny Hurley: Richard Pitino, Tim Cluess, Steve Masiello.
Cluess and Masiello would be mistakes.
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So they lowballed Lavin, was that because of Lavin or how they intend to run the program moving forward?
My guess, and it's just a guess, is that the administration was fine with keeping him at a lower salary or just letting him walk if he declined the pay cut. He declined and they decided to move on. They didn't like him enough to meet his demands or dislike him enough to fire him or not offer him some sort of extension
Does that make sense though? Either you feel he's the right person for the job or he's not, regardless of what your paying him. The expectations for the program should be the same.
Does St. John's ever do anything that makes sense? That's why I think that scenario is possible. It's also possible that they had no intention of keeping him, didnt want to exactly "fire" him, and lowballed him because they knew he would reject it and leave
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So they lowballed Lavin, was that because of Lavin or how they intend to run the program moving forward?
My guess, and it's just a guess, is that the administration was fine with keeping him at a lower salary or just letting him walk if he declined the pay cut. He declined and they decided to move on. They didn't like him enough to meet his demands or dislike him enough to fire him or not offer him some sort of extension
Does that make sense though? Either you feel he's the right person for the job or he's not, regardless of what your paying him. The expectations for the program should be the same.
Does St. John's ever do anything that makes sense? That's why I think that scenario is possible. It's also possible that they had no intention of keeping him, didnt want to exactly "fire" him, and lowballed him because they knew he would reject it and leave
Yup. And he threw a fit
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So they lowballed Lavin, was that because of Lavin or how they intend to run the program moving forward?
My guess, and it's just a guess, is that the administration was fine with keeping him at a lower salary or just letting him walk if he declined the pay cut. He declined and they decided to move on. They didn't like him enough to meet his demands or dislike him enough to fire him or not offer him some sort of extension
Does that make sense though? Either you feel he's the right person for the job or he's not, regardless of what your paying him. The expectations for the program should be the same.
Exactly.
If you don’t feel he is the long term solution at SJU then just agree to move on.
This idea of saying “Well he did a pretty good job so let’s bring him back at a lower cost and if he says no tell him sorry got to make a change” is nonsense.
You either believe he is the answer or not.
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@AdamZagoria 4m4 minutes ago New York, USA
Other names I've heard at St. John's besides Chris Mullin and Danny Hurley: Richard Pitino, Tim Cluess, Steve Masiello.
Cluess and Masiello would be mistakes.
I agree Cluess would be a bad hire. I wouldn't mind Masiello but I think the administration needs to do everything possible to get Danny Hurley to Queens
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@AdamZagoria 4m4 minutes ago New York, USA
Other names I've heard at St. John's besides Chris Mullin and Danny Hurley: Richard Pitino, Tim Cluess, Steve Masiello.
Cluess and Masiello would be mistakes.
I'm not a fan of Pitino, either (unless, it's the elder Pitino).
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@AdamZagoria 4m4 minutes ago New York, USA
Other names I've heard at St. John's besides Chris Mullin and Danny Hurley: Richard Pitino, Tim Cluess, Steve Masiello.
Cluess and Masiello would be mistakes.
I'm not a fan of Pitino, either (unless, it's the elder Pitino).
Yeah Minnesota fans not fond of Lil Pitino.
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@AdamZagoria 4m4 minutes ago New York, USA
Other names I've heard at St. John's besides Chris Mullin and Danny Hurley: Richard Pitino, Tim Cluess, Steve Masiello.
Cluess and Masiello would be mistakes.
I'm not a fan of Pitino, either (unless, it's the elder Pitino).
Yeah Minnesota fans not fond of Lil Pitino.
i hope this is not true, but based on the monasch quote it seems likely. don't understand firing lavin without someone better lined up
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So they lowballed Lavin, was that because of Lavin or how they intend to run the program moving forward?
My guess, and it's just a guess, is that the administration was fine with keeping him at a lower salary or just letting him walk if he declined the pay cut. He declined and they decided to move on. They didn't like him enough to meet his demands or dislike him enough to fire him or not offer him some sort of extension
Does that make sense though? Either you feel he's the right person for the job or he's not, regardless of what your paying him. The expectations for the program should be the same.
Does St. John's ever do anything that makes sense? That's why I think that scenario is possible. It's also possible that they had no intention of keeping him, didnt want to exactly "fire" him, and lowballed him because they knew he would reject it and leave
If that's the case then administration has no balls. Again, either you're happy with direction or you change, you don't go looking for a discount. I have no hope that they will make good decision on hire.
My prediction is they will go cheap and hire Masiello or someone of the like, which means they don't give a shit about ever being a top-tier program. Shame
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Sampson decommitted. Others likely to follow. If we hire Hurley or Pitino , better take their team too because our recruits are goners.
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So they lowballed Lavin, was that because of Lavin or how they intend to run the program moving forward?
My guess, and it's just a guess, is that the administration was fine with keeping him at a lower salary or just letting him walk if he declined the pay cut. He declined and they decided to move on. They didn't like him enough to meet his demands or dislike him enough to fire him or not offer him some sort of extension
Does that make sense though? Either you feel he's the right person for the job or he's not, regardless of what your paying him. The expectations for the program should be the same.
Does St. John's ever do anything that makes sense? That's why I think that scenario is possible. It's also possible that they had no intention of keeping him, didnt want to exactly "fire" him, and lowballed him because they knew he would reject it and leave
If that's the case then administration has no balls. Again, either you're happy with direction or you change, you don't go looking for a discount. I have no hope that they will make good decision on hire.
My prediction is they will go cheap and hire Masiello or someone of the like, which means they don't give a shit about ever being a top-tier program. Shame
A) Hiring Masiello doesn't necessarily mean going cheap, it could mean that SJU is no longer a highly sought after job and he's the only one that would take it.
B) Hiring Masiello doesn't necessarily mean that this program won't reach the next level. 33% chance the program gets to the next level under Masiello, 33% chance the program goes down a level under Masiello, 33% chance the program stays the same under Masiello.
Masiello and these other guys are hungry. If they come here and fail they are back to square 1 of their coaching career. They do not have the cushy fall back opportunities as our previous coach should they fail. That would lead them to make sure they don't take a recruiting year off
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@AdamZagoria 4m4 minutes ago New York, USA
Other names I've heard at St. John's besides Chris Mullin and Danny Hurley: Richard Pitino, Tim Cluess, Steve Masiello.
Cluess and Masiello would be mistakes.
I'm not a fan of Pitino, either (unless, it's the elder Pitino).
Yeah Minnesota fans not fond of Lil Pitino.
i hope this is not true, but based on the monasch quote it seems likely. don't understand firing lavin without someone better lined up
Completely agree
I am pretty sure that at a min. they hope that they can hire D. Hurley
However due diligence needs to be explored with many other names
We however always have that mom and pop tag attached to us
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All the beat writers now saying the same things that have been posted here for weeks
The biggest Lavin backers on this board knew what went on the last couple of years did not have the look of a program being run by a professional coach. If SJU was a woman she would have asked Steve how come you don't love me any more. Might be he doesn't feel well. If so I hope he will be OK.
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Sampson decommitted. Others likely to follow. If we hire Hurley or Pitino , better take their team too because our recruits are goners.
Others? While Doughty and Thompkins are nice players, I'm sure we can survive if they go elsewhere. We have a TON of playing time to offer any recruit and I'm sure whoever the new coach is will make sure all recruits are well aware of that
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Sampson decommitted. Others likely to follow. If we hire Hurley or Pitino , better take their team too because our recruits are goners.
What others? We have no others.
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So they lowballed Lavin, was that because of Lavin or how they intend to run the program moving forward?
My guess, and it's just a guess, is that the administration was fine with keeping him at a lower salary or just letting him walk if he declined the pay cut. He declined and they decided to move on. They didn't like him enough to meet his demands or dislike him enough to fire him or not offer him some sort of extension
Does that make sense though? Either you feel he's the right person for the job or he's not, regardless of what your paying him. The expectations for the program should be the same.
Does St. John's ever do anything that makes sense? That's why I think that scenario is possible. It's also possible that they had no intention of keeping him, didnt want to exactly "fire" him, and lowballed him because they knew he would reject it and leave
If that's the case then administration has no balls. Again, either you're happy with direction or you change, you don't go looking for a discount. I have no hope that they will make good decision on hire.
My prediction is they will go cheap and hire Masiello or someone of the like, which means they don't give a shit about ever being a top-tier program. Shame
No, this is a perfectly logical position.
If they just fired him they would need to pay him $2mil not to coach next season.
By a mutual parting of the ways, that will be settled for less. That's why you make him an offer, he refuses, and you agree to a settlement. Firing him would have cost more, plain and simple.
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Sampson decommitted. Others likely to follow. If we hire Hurley or Pitino , better take their team too because our recruits are goners.
What others? We have no others.
I am pretty sure you can snag some juco or unsigned 2-3 stars that can replicate what you can get from those 2 next year
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Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille 27s27 seconds ago
Was told new #sjubb coach would be given great opportunity to get involved with top city players Rawle Alkins of Christ the King.
Well, well.....
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Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille 27s27 seconds ago
Was told new #sjubb coach would be given great opportunity to get involved with top city players Rawle Alkins of Christ the King.
Well, well.....
Well what do ya know
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Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille 27s27 seconds ago
Was told new #sjubb coach would be given great opportunity to get involved with top city players Rawle Alkins of Christ the King.
Well, well.....
Quite a statement
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@NYPost_Brazille: Danny Hurley "legitimately interested" in St. John's job, source says. #sjubb
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Sampson decommitted. Others likely to follow. If we hire Hurley or Pitino , better take their team too because our recruits are goners.
How do we know the conversation was not based on " Who do we have locked up for next year? It then could have went to" Why do we have all these guys who can't play a lick in SJU uniforms the last couple of years. I don't know how these talks go, just wondering.
Others? While Doughty and Thompkins are nice players, I'm sure we can survive if they go elsewhere. We have a TON of playing time to offer any recruit and I'm sure whoever the new coach is will make sure all recruits are well aware of that
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Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille 27s27 seconds ago
Was told new #sjubb coach would be given great opportunity to get involved with top city players Rawle Alkins of Christ the King.
Well, well.....
Quite a statement
Nice knock on the guy who just got fired.
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Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille 27s27 seconds ago
Was told new #sjubb coach would be given great opportunity to get involved with top city players Rawle Alkins of Christ the King.
Well, well.....
Quite a statement
Nice knock on the guy who just got fired.
Pretty well established that CTK coach didn't like Lavin.
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Desco....congrats! i feel bad for coach lavin and his guys, but hope the new coach is a real improvement.
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Choz?
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Well done SJU. Now bring in Danny or Bob Hurley or Mullin
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Hurley has all of two years head coaching experience and lost this year to teams such as Akron, Central Michigan, Western Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Toledo, and Ohio. Breathtaking . And even more startling, he owns race horses. Jarvis redoux. Mullin has said no. And some blamed Lavin for accepting what turned out to be a falsified transcript, so we will now consider a coach who falsified his OWN transcript. The incompetence at SJU is so bad it is shocking. And we still have the sun tanned Monasch running the asylum. We are doomed.
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Massielo on with Kay now
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Hurley has all of two years head coaching experience and lost this year to teams such as Akron, Central Michigan, Western Michigan, Eastern Michigan, Toledo, and Ohio. Breathtaking . And even more startling, he owns race horses. Jarvis redoux. Mullin has said no. And some blamed Lavin for accepting what turned out to be a falsified transcript, so we will now consider a coach who falsified his OWN transcript. The incompetence at SJU is so bad it is shocking. And we still have the sun tanned Monasch running the asylum. We are doomed.
agreed monasch should go. if the coach he hired isn't good enough, then how is he?
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So they lowballed Lavin, was that because of Lavin or how they intend to run the program moving forward?
My guess, and it's just a guess, is that the administration was fine with keeping him at a lower salary or just letting him walk if he declined the pay cut. He declined and they decided to move on. They didn't like him enough to meet his demands or dislike him enough to fire him or not offer him some sort of extension
Does that make sense though? Either you feel he's the right person for the job or he's not, regardless of what your paying him. The expectations for the program should be the same.
Does St. John's ever do anything that makes sense? That's why I think that scenario is possible. It's also possible that they had no intention of keeping him, didnt want to exactly "fire" him, and lowballed him because they knew he would reject it and leave
If that's the case then administration has no balls. Again, either you're happy with direction or you change, you don't go looking for a discount. I have no hope that they will make good decision on hire.
My prediction is they will go cheap and hire Masiello or someone of the like, which means they don't give a shit about ever being a top-tier program. Shame
No, this is a perfectly logical position.
If they just fired him they would need to pay him $2mil not to coach next season.
By a mutual parting of the ways, that will be settled for less. That's why you make him an offer, he refuses, and you agree to a settlement. Firing him would have cost more, plain and simple.
Don't necessarily follow your logic.
What would make you think Lavin would agree to a lesser buyout? He was essentially fired.
They talked about extension, couldn't come to agreement, administration says OK, you're fired then.
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Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille 27s27 seconds ago
Was told new #sjubb coach would be given great opportunity to get involved with top city players Rawle Alkins of Christ the King.
Well, well.....
Well what do ya know
Bazinga!
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Kay just said Pitino St is a candidate
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Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille 27s27 seconds ago
Was told new #sjubb coach would be given great opportunity to get involved with top city players Rawle Alkins of Christ the King.
Well, well.....
Quite a statement
Nice knock on the guy who just got fired.
A guess all the "rumors" of a rift between Lavin and CTK was true and to the point that he would not consider St Johns
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Call Donovan - 1st order of business, Then Pitino.... Mullin, Danny Hurley.... In that order.. Worst case, Danny Hurley is coach..
No to Bobby.. #$%^ no to Massielo.
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So they lowballed Lavin, was that because of Lavin or how they intend to run the program moving forward?
My guess, and it's just a guess, is that the administration was fine with keeping him at a lower salary or just letting him walk if he declined the pay cut. He declined and they decided to move on. They didn't like him enough to meet his demands or dislike him enough to fire him or not offer him some sort of extension
Does that make sense though? Either you feel he's the right person for the job or he's not, regardless of what your paying him. The expectations for the program should be the same.
At St John's ?
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Call Donovan - 1st order of business, Then Pitino.... Mullin, Danny Hurley.... In that order.. Worst case, Danny Hurley is coach..
No to Bobby.. #$%^ no to Massielo.
How much would they even have to offer Donovan? I don't think they can afford him.
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Mas said St Johns a top job in nation
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Mas said St Johns a top job in nation
Top 30-40 imho
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Call Donovan - 1st order of business, Then Pitino.... Mullin, Danny Hurley.... In that order.. Worst case, Danny Hurley is coach..
No to Bobby.. #$%^ no to Massielo.
How much would they even have to offer Donovan? I don't think they can afford him.
I have no idea... I'm still making the call... Again, I think worst case Danny would take the job and he would be a solid choice.. I'm still shooting for the stars 1st. Can't hurt to ask.
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Let's consider Reggie Witherspoon, former Erie Community College head coach who also preceded Hurley at Buffalo, Reggie lead the Bills to several tournaments and season wins totals of 21, 20, 23, and 19, and he has more experience that Hurley. If Hurley's two seasons make him qualified, Reggie is too!
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Call Donovan - 1st order of business, Then Pitino.... Mullin, Danny Hurley.... In that order.. Worst case, Danny Hurley is coach..
No to Bobby.. #$%^ no to Massielo.
How much would they even have to offer Donovan? I don't think they can afford him.
I have no idea... I'm still making the call... Again, I think worst case Danny would take the job and he would be a solid choice.. I'm still shooting for the stars 1st. Can't hurt to ask.
I hear ya on the asking. Takes 5 minutes. If he says no, on to next choice to call.
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Call Donovan - 1st order of business, Then Pitino.... Mullin, Danny Hurley.... In that order.. Worst case, Danny Hurley is coach..
No to Bobby.. #$%^ no to Massielo.
I would say Smart and Miler (understood they are longshots) and then Mullin and D Hurley. I think they know Danny would take the job.
Masiello would crawl over broken glass with no socks or shoes for the SJU job. Are you kdding me? He took the USF job last year before it fell thru. USF is a God Awful job.
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Guys on the CBS board on the outside looking in:
"ktscott01
Whats the deal? From the outside it looks like they were moving in the right direction.
holdin27
Because clearly St. John's can do better based on their reputation 30 years ago.
NJRyan
You just nailed what they think. St. John's still can be good, but the 1970s are not coming back.
NPT Baseball
it was the 80's
g231829
He just forgot that its 2015 now, so 30 years ago is the 80s rather than the 70s.
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Part of me hopes they hire Massiello.
1) he would be good
2) some of your heads would explode.
That said, he's not my first choice.
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desco who iare your first plausible choices>
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@AdamZagoria 4m4 minutes ago New York, USA
Other names I've heard at St. John's besides Chris Mullin and Danny Hurley: Richard Pitino, Tim Cluess, Steve Masiello.
Cluess and Masiello would be mistakes.
I'm not a fan of Pitino, either (unless, it's the elder Pitino).
Danny Hurley seems like the safest bet. Let's see if he would take it. I would take Pitino and pray for the best before I go with Massiello. Jeez, if anyone can't see the sleaze...
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Mas said St Johns a top job in nation
Damn wonder how much he'll lie on his resume to secure this job?
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From Jordan:
http://iconosquare.com/p/950144828027011988_18538679
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from DLo
http://iconosquare.com/p/950131023902045420_489544252
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Mas said St Johns a top job in nation
Damn wonder how much he'll lie on his resume to secure this job?
Harvard Undergrad and Wharton MBA :)
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desco who iare your first plausible choices>
(Assuming no miracles like Donovan or Pitino)
1) I'd reach out to Archie Miller and Shaka Smart. Collectively they are my first options.
2) Mullin; if he is interested, and IF he has a particular recruiter in mind who will come on board.
3) I have a very hard time separating Danny H, Bobby H, and Maisello. If it wasn't for the transcript issue it would be Mas. So I say interview all 3, kick the tires, ask around about them. Have a search firm vet them.
4) Cluess. I don't like him, but he wins at every level. That's hard to ignore.
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Mas said St Johns a top job in nation
Damn wonder how much he'll lie on his resume to secure this job?
I don't think the ticket scalping operation is on it. ;D
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We missed you Choz.
Also, I'm adamant that I would do a thorough search. And not discount candidates like Steve Pikiell or Zach Spiker.
If they have what it takes, don't be scarred off by their current position.
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OMG!!!
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Always been a business. Always be a business. No hard feelings just like 2 years back.
Love ya Lav. And keep ya head up.
Peace out.
You should stick around. Feel bad for the newer posters who may never get a chance to discuss hoops with you.
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desco who iare your first plausible choices>
(Assuming no miracles like Donovan or Pitino)
1) I'd reach out to Archie Miller and Shaka Smart. Collectively they are my first options.
2) Mullin; if he is interested, and IF he has a particular recruiter in mind who will come on board.
3) I have a very hard time separating Danny H, Bobby H, and Maisello. If it wasn't for the transcript issue it would be Mas. So I say interview all 3, kick the tires, ask around about them. Have a search firm vet them.
4) Cluess. I don't like him, but he wins at every level. That's hard to ignore.
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Cluess just got extended so he's not an option. Bobby has proven in a shorter time than Mas or anyone else on the list that he's the real deal as a recruiter and in-game coach. I'd go after Bobby hard and see if Mullin or Jackson have any interest too.
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Mullin, Bobby Hurley, or Danny Hurley. Short 3 person list. Let's get this done.
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At worst we should have a hurley as our coach next year. And that is no knock on them.
We didnt fire lavin not to take a run at some bigger fish. Give Archie a call for sure.
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At worst we should have a hurley as our coach next year. And that is no knock on them.
We didnt fire lavin not to take a run at some bigger fish. Give Archie a call for sure.
Agreed. Archie and even Shaka. At some point I have to believe Smart is going to want to explore outside VCU. He may realize he reached his ceiling there.
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At worst we should have a hurley as our coach next year. And that is no knock on them.
We didnt fire lavin not to take a run at some bigger fish. Give Archie a call for sure.
Agreed. Archie and even Shaka. At some point I have to believe Smart is going to want to explore outside VCU. He may realize he reached his ceiling there.
if i'm smart i'm waiting for Cuse
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desco who iare your first plausible choices>
(Assuming no miracles like Donovan or Pitino)
1) I'd reach out to Archie Miller and Shaka Smart. Collectively they are my first options.
2) Mullin; if he is interested, and IF he has a particular recruiter in mind who will come on board.
3) I have a very hard time separating Danny H, Bobby H, and Maisello. If it wasn't for the transcript issue it would be Mas. So I say interview all 3, kick the tires, ask around about them. Have a search firm vet them.
4) Cluess. I don't like him, but he wins at every level. That's hard to ignore.
If your willing to pay Smart, who has his eyes set on another program, why not target Marshall? Think he has peaked at Wichita ST. and may be ready to consider a move. Wouldn't hurt in inquire.
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Let's consider Reggie Witherspoon, former Erie Community College head coach
Let's not.
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I hope it is time to get the checkbooks out to support the school in paying for a big time coach who can make a difference. However, I fear it will be do it on the cheap, a la Norm, and we will be in for dreadful BB but at least I will save money. For all the complaining here, it is time to open up the wallets boys and girls and contribute to a real, high power coach's hiring. Remember you get what you pay for and I will not pay for a low level coach.
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Yeah I mean you put out feelers to Donovan, Miller, Pitino, Marshall, Smart, etc. in case any are interested for a price. But most likely and realistically, we have to quickly move to the next level of candidates.
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I hope it is time to get the checkbooks out to support the school in paying for a big time coach who can make a difference. However, I fear it will be do it on the cheap, a la Norm, and we will be in for dreadful BB but at least I will save money. For all the complaining here, it is time to open up the wallets boys and girls and contribute to a real, high power coach's hiring. Remember you get what you pay for and I will not pay for a low level coach.
People will if they make a good decision, but that's not likely
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It appears that Mullin is the clear cur number 1 choice of those involved.. I'm fine with that. With the right staff, it's home run potential.
If not, I'm going to try and lock up Danny Hurley.
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Always been a business. Always be a business. No hard feelings just like 2 years back.
Love ya Lav. And keep ya head up.
Peace out.
Board's been missing your philosophical zen quotes
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It appears that Mullin is the clear cur number 1 choice of those involved.. I'm fine with that. With the right staff, it's home run potential.
If not, I'm going to try and lock up Danny Hurley.
As Choz would say, "Wisdom"
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Like Mullin as best of the lot by far. He, in concert with a good recruiter, should be able to bring the talented kids in. Remember, he managed at the pro level. As a hall of famer he will impress the recruits. As an alumnus, he will have a personal stake. Xs and Os can be handled by an assistant if needed. 2nd choice, Danny H., a man who has rebuilding credentials and a solid coach and NY area connections and a dad who can help. Need to find the next Al Lobalbo, senior Hurley may be it.
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It appears that Mullin is the clear cur number 1 choice of those involved.. I'm fine with that. With the right staff, it's home run potential.
If not, I'm going to try and lock up Danny Hurley.
Mullin is one of my favorite players of all time. But I just don't see him as a college coach. Think it would be a mistake and a stunt PR move.
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It appears that Mullin is the clear cur number 1 choice of those involved.. I'm fine with that. With the right staff, it's home run potential.
If not, I'm going to try and lock up Danny Hurley.
As Choz would say, "Wisdom"
Does Mullin want to put in all the time required of a head coach? I think the small stuff is what gets some of the greats that try to coach at any level.
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It appears that Mullin is the clear cur number 1 choice of those involved.. I'm fine with that. With the right staff, it's home run potential.
If not, I'm going to try and lock up Danny Hurley.
As Choz would say, "Wisdom"
Does Mullin want to put in all the time required of a head coach? I think the small stuff is what gets some of the greats that try to coach at any level.
Exactly, can you see Mullin hitting the recruiting trail and kissing high school and AAU coaches' ass!!!
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It appears that Mullin is the clear cur number 1 choice of those involved.. I'm fine with that. With the right staff, it's home run potential.
If not, I'm going to try and lock up Danny Hurley.
As Choz would say, "Wisdom"
Does Mullin want to put in all the time required of a head coach? I think the small stuff is what gets some of the greats that try to coach at any level.
This.
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It appears that Mullin is the clear cur number 1 choice of those involved.. I'm fine with that. With the right staff, it's home run potential.
If not, I'm going to try and lock up Danny Hurley.
As Choz would say, "Wisdom"
Does Mullin want to put in all the time required of a head coach? I think the small stuff is what gets some of the greats that try to coach at any level.
Exactly, can you see Mullin hitting the recruiting trail and kissing high school and AAU coaches' ass!!!
That is the reason why you vett potential candidates.. You or I can't answer that. Chris and the guys in charge of the interview process can answer only..
I don't see why he wouldn't be capable of doing... " I can't see it" - this response means nothing... So you can't see it? Alrighty then... Fred Hoiberg seems to do it just fine. Mullin is not too old, he is in good shape.. No reason that, if he wants to do it, he can't.
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It appears that Mullin is the clear cur number 1 choice of those involved.. I'm fine with that. With the right staff, it's home run potential.
If not, I'm going to try and lock up Danny Hurley.
As Choz would say, "Wisdom"
Does Mullin want to put in all the time required of a head coach? I think the small stuff is what gets some of the greats that try to coach at any level.
If Mullin says he's taking the job, no doubt in my mind he gives it 100%.
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Mullin is a PR move and PR is more that 1/2 the battle when recruiting...nothing wrong with that. Lack of coaching experience not a problem, assistants will be hired for whatever is needed. Another possibility, WIll Brown of Albany. No charisma but a great coach with a clean record. Unfortunately, probably would not fly in NYC, need a figurehead.
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Mullin is a PR move and PR is more that 1/2 the battle when recruiting...nothing wrong with that. Lack of coaching experience not a problem, assistants will be hired for whatever is needed. Another possibility, WIll Brown of Albany. No charisma but a great coach with a clean record. Unfortunately, probably would not fly in NYC, need a figurehead.
Will Brown has my respect. No idea if he'd work here, but he gave Oklahoma as good a game as anyone.
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It appears that Mullin is the clear cur number 1 choice of those involved.. I'm fine with that. With the right staff, it's home run potential.
If not, I'm going to try and lock up Danny Hurley.
As Choz would say, "Wisdom"
Does Mullin want to put in all the time required of a head coach? I think the small stuff is what gets some of the greats that try to coach at any level.
Exactly, can you see Mullin hitting the recruiting trail and kissing high school and AAU coaches' ass!!!
That would be the main issue with Mullin. He would have to surround himself with very strong recruiters to make it work, but if it does work it can be great.
Also, our last coach didn't kiss any high school or AAU coaches' asses so not much of a difference there.
One final note, I wouldn't mind going down the Iowa State path with Mullin and going strong after every transfer and JuCo out there. They recruit HS still but they go hard after transfers and JuCos and thats part of why they've been so successful lately
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I don't think Mullin is coming, I'd say it's between Dan Hurley and Masiello. I like both
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I don't think Mullin is coming, I'd say it's between Dan Hurley and Masiello. I like both
Baldi did you like norm or not? I don't see how it's possible that one of norms biggest supporters could ever be OK w massiello. Mas is the kind of hire the real marco baldi would rip St. John's for for years. Maybe that's why you like it. Or maybe because it weakens Manhattan?
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financially, it doesn't make sense getting Mullin either.
you're going to have to pay him big bucks. and on top of that, you're going to have to pay a premium for staff that not only has to "teach" mullin but essentially hold his hand throughout the process.
i'd rather spend money on a coach with history, that understands the grind. understands the politics in recruiting; etc.
Not Mullin; Not Jackson.
Hire Danny.
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I don't think Mullin is coming, I'd say it's between Dan Hurley and Masiello. I like both
Baldi did you like norm or not? I don't see how it's possible that one of norms biggest supporters could ever be OK w massiello. Mas is the kind of hire the real marco baldi would rip St. John's for for years. Maybe that's why you like it. Or maybe because it weakens Manhattan?
Yes I liked Norm, I liked the chAracter of 99% of players he brought in. I only dislike Masiello when Iona is playing against him. I really don't care about the diploma thing, there are worse things in the college basketball world than that. St John's needs a NY or local guy. Both Hurley and Mas are that, and have the personalities that kids want to stay and play for
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Local guy who has been very successful is Tim Cluess. 5 20+ win seasons, 2 NCAA and NIT bids. He's won everywhere he's been, high school, community college, D 2 and now at Iona. He also has ties to Louie with him and all his brothers who played at SJU. Seems to do it the right way and has never had a kid thrown off for any infractions.
What is the attraction to either Hurleys. No SJU ties at all.
Neither has gotten any of their dads players yet either. Cluess should at least get a call
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Hurleys and Cluess=MID Major--not what I want but it will save me money
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Hurleys and Cluess=MID Major--not what I want but it will save me money
Couldn't agree more. Add Masiello to that list as well
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Local guy who has been very successful is Tim Cluess. 5 20+ win seasons, 2 NCAA and NIT bids. He's won everywhere he's been, high school, community college, D 2 and now at Iona. He also has ties to Louie with him and all his brothers who played at SJU. Seems to do it the right way and has never had a kid thrown off for any infractions.
What is the attraction to either Hurleys. No SJU ties at all.
Neither has gotten any of their dads players yet either. Cluess should at least get a call
I like Cluess, but he doesn't stress defense at all. His kids don't move on defense. You can't win with a defensive philosophy of don't bother playing any. Why hire Cluess, when you can hire the guy who has his number?
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Hurleys and Cluess=MID Major--not what I want but it will save me money
Couldn't agree more. Add Masiello to that list as well
Definitely-forgot him because not worth. I do not want SJU to become Fordham which hired the guy (Pecora who a number of people on these sites wanted instead of Lavin and see how that went) with all the local connections and then could not do squat
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Local guy who has been very successful is Tim Cluess. 5 20+ win seasons, 2 NCAA and NIT bids. He's won everywhere he's been, high school, community college, D 2 and now at Iona. He also has ties to Louie with him and all his brothers who played at SJU. Seems to do it the right way and has never had a kid thrown off for any infractions.
What is the attraction to either Hurleys. No SJU ties at all.
Neither has gotten any of their dads players yet either. Cluess should at least get a call
I like Cluess, but he doesn't stress defense at all. His kids don't move on defense. You can't win with a defensive philosophy of don't bother playing any. Why hire Cluess, when you can hire the guy who has his number?
With a NO defense philosophy he would be eaten alive in the BE. Let him stay a lower tier mid major where that works
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It appears that Mullin is the clear cur number 1 choice of those involved.. I'm fine with that. With the right staff, it's home run potential.
If not, I'm going to try and lock up Danny Hurley.
As Choz would say, "Wisdom"
Does Mullin want to put in all the time required of a head coach? I think the small stuff is what gets some of the greats that try to coach at any level.
Exactly, can you see Mullin hitting the recruiting trail and kissing high school and AAU coaches' ass!!!
That would be the main issue with Mullin. He would have to surround himself with very strong recruiters to make it work, but if it does work it can be great.
Also, our last coach didn't kiss any high school or AAU coaches' asses so not much of a difference there.
One final note, I wouldn't mind going down the Iowa State path with Mullin and going strong after every transfer and JuCo out there. They recruit HS still but they go hard after transfers and JuCos and thats part of why they've been so successful lately
Dana Altman has done it too at Oregon. His midwest Juco connections while at Creighton served him well while he built up a 6 scholarship roster that first year.
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these pretend in the know posters should apologize to baldi even though he likely was guessing!
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these pretend in the know posters should apologize to baldi even though he likely was guessing!
So much for the poll saving the job.
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Spend the money and go get Jim Calhoun
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Hurleys and Cluess=MID Major--not what I want but it will save me money
Couldn't agree more. Add Masiello to that list as well
Definitely-forgot him because not worth. I do not want SJU to become Fordham which hired the guy (Pecora who a number of people on these sites wanted instead of Lavin and see how that went) with all the local connections and then could not do squat
for the record I was in the Pecora will make me puke at sju bandwagon :)
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Spend the money and go get Jim Calhoun
Please stop posting this. Jim calhoun has a history of medical issues and is 72 yrs old. Plus he is hated by many sju fans.
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Spend the money and go get Jim Calhoun
Please stop posting this. Jim calhoun has a history of medical issues and is 72 yrs old. Plus he is hated by many sju fans.
Hate him. Lets get him
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Larry brown has a house on Long island
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It won't get past Danny Hurley if Chris says no. Danny will take it in a heartbeat.
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It won't get past Danny Hurley if Chris says no. Danny will take it in a heartbeat.
whoopee!!!
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I would be ok with Hurley, or Maseillo. Lavin had to go, he reached his plataue with the program
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Why did coach Lavin continue to bring in players who did not belong here? It's not like he doesn't' know the difference between a player who belongs, and one who does not.
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Why did coach Lavin continue to bring in players who did not belong here? It's not like he doesn't' know the difference between a player who belongs, and one who does not.
A question we'd all like answered, may never get answered, and Lavin couldn't answer.
What's he gonna say? I worked hard for Jordan, and then, I figured guys like Jakarr would still be here, and I could worry about the 15/16 class.
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Why did coach Lavin continue to bring in players who did not belong here? It's not like he doesn't' know the difference between a player who belongs, and one who does not.
Didn't belong here, what are you talking about?
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@AdamZagoria 4m4 minutes ago New York, USA
Other names I've heard at St. John's besides Chris Mullin and Danny Hurley: Richard Pitino, Tim Cluess, Steve Masiello.
Cluess and Masiello would be mistakes.
I'm not a fan of Pitino, either (unless, it's the elder Pitino).
Danny Hurley seems like the safest bet. Let's see if he would take it. I would take Pitino and pray for the best before I go with Massiello. Jeez, if anyone can't see the sleaze...
Totally agree about Massiello. Our AD said "We are seeking someone who embraces the St. John's mission". Lying about your diploma is not a good fit.
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@AdamZagoria 4m4 minutes ago New York, USA
Other names I've heard at St. John's besides Chris Mullin and Danny Hurley: Richard Pitino, Tim Cluess, Steve Masiello.
Cluess and Masiello would be mistakes.
I'm not a fan of Pitino, either (unless, it's the elder Pitino).
Danny Hurley seems like the safest bet. Let's see if he would take it. I would take Pitino and pray for the best before I go with Massiello. Jeez, if anyone can't see the sleaze...
Totally agree about Massiello. Our AD said "We are seeking someone who embraces the St. John's mission". Lying about your diploma is not a good fit.
The St.John's mission? So Norm Roberts then?
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@AdamZagoria 4m4 minutes ago New York, USA
Other names I've heard at St. John's besides Chris Mullin and Danny Hurley: Richard Pitino, Tim Cluess, Steve Masiello.
Cluess and Masiello would be mistakes.
I'm not a fan of Pitino, either (unless, it's the elder Pitino).
Danny Hurley seems like the safest bet. Let's see if he would take it. I would take Pitino and pray for the best before I go with Massiello. Jeez, if anyone can't see the sleaze...
Totally agree about Massiello. Our AD said "We are seeking someone who embraces the St. John's mission". Lying about your diploma is not a good fit.
I'm hardly an expert on the SJU mission but isn't 2nd chances a big thing in Catholicism?
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I have to think the powers that be at MSG, The Big East or Fox Sports1 are not going to be happy with Hurley(s), or Masiello, or any other tier 2 coach. They will be whispering in SJU's ears to think big, think "name." So they can fill seats, get TV ratings, and keep pace with other BB power conferences. Remember, the BE needs a strong NYC/Redmen presence; can't risk another experiment (see NR)
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Call Donovan - 1st order of business, Then Pitino.... Mullin, Danny Hurley.... In that order.. Worst case, Danny Hurley is coach..
No to Bobby.. #$%^ no to Massielo.
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Why did coach Lavin continue to bring in players who did not belong here? It's not like he doesn't' know the difference between a player who belongs, and one who does not.
Didn't belong here, what are you talking about?
Had he brought in players who did belong we would have had a solid 8 man rotation. Early on there were 6 players. Then CO, then Jordan. That's 8, who else. Hooper,Borgo, Keith, ADR, JDR, AA, the walk ons. Who helped the core players this year? Steve started ok and then just stopped and guys started playing 40. Sorry I'm a broken record, but I was asked to elaborate. Look at the list of players who were brought in and those who could really play. Fine to think I'm seeing it wrong. I never thought I had any of the answers. I thought Steve did and sorry he did not hold down the job.
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Why did coach Lavin continue to bring in players who did not belong here? It's not like he doesn't' know the difference between a player who belongs, and one who does not.
Didn't belong here, what are you talking about?
Had he brought in players who did belong we would have had a solid 8 man rotation. Early on there were 6 players. Then CO, then Jordan. That's 8, who else. Hooper,Borgo, Keith, ADR, JDR, AA, the walk ons. Who helped the core players this year? Steve started ok and then just stopped and guys started playing 40. Sorry I'm a broken record, but I was asked to elaborate. Look at the list of players who were brought in and those who could really play. Fine to think I'm seeing it wrong. I never thought I had any of the answers. I thought Steve did and sorry he did not hold down the job.
That is bogus. If you think that the next coach is going to have 13 Big East caliber players EVERY year on the roster you better get ready to complain now. Completely bogus expectation and criticism. Lavin was at fault of failing to land his top targets for 2014, no doubt. But this other stuff is convenient misinformation.
And go look at all the transfers, low level recruits and non-qualifiers since Ed Cooley took over at Providence. Seriously. Go look and count them all.
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I have to think the powers that be at MSG, The Big East or Fox Sports1 are not going to be happy with Hurley(s), or Masiello, or any other tier 2 coach. They will be whispering in SJU's ears to think big, think "name." So they can fill seats, get TV ratings, and keep pace with other BB power conferences. Remember, the BE needs a strong NYC/Redmen presence; can't risk another experiment (see NR)
The BE and FS1 just want St. John's to be good. They'd rather have them be good with a no-name coach than bad with a big name coach. Since we aren't hiring Coach K, Izzo or Pitino, anybody we hire will have some risk associated with him. Continuing the Lavin experiment was just as much if not more of a risk
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I have to think the powers that be at MSG, The Big East or Fox Sports1 are not going to be happy with Hurley(s), or Masiello, or any other tier 2 coach. They will be whispering in SJU's ears to think big, think "name." So they can fill seats, get TV ratings, and keep pace with other BB power conferences. Remember, the BE needs a strong NYC/Redmen presence; can't risk another experiment (see NR)
TV networks do not decide or influence these matters.
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As boeheim said once in a private moment, "It's all about the money". That is why Syracuse is in the ACC and why every major conference cares about TV and the media.
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Why did coach Lavin continue to bring in players who did not belong here? It's not like he doesn't' know the difference between a player who belongs, and one who does not.
Didn't belong here, what are you talking about?
Had he brought in players who did belong we would have had a solid 8 man rotation. Early on there were 6 players. Then CO, then Jordan. That's 8, who else. Hooper,Borgo, Keith, ADR, JDR, AA, the walk ons. Who helped the core players this year? Steve started ok and then just stopped and guys started playing 40. Sorry I'm a broken record, but I was asked to elaborate. Look at the list of players who were brought in and those who could really play. Fine to think I'm seeing it wrong. I never thought I had any of the answers. I thought Steve did and sorry he did not hold down the job.
That is bogus. If you think that the next coach is going to have 13 Big East caliber players EVERY year on the roster you better get ready to complain now. Completely bogus expectation and criticism. Lavin was at fault of failing to land his top targets for 2014, no doubt. But this other stuff is convenient misinformation.
And go look at all the transfers, low level recruits and non-qualifiers since Ed Cooley took over at Providence. Seriously. Go look and count them all.
Cooley is a great example. Last year, he lost Ledo and Dunn. Both of his 5 star point guards. Yet, he still wins the BE tournament. That's a coach who instead of excuses, made do with he had. Lavin was throwing out names like Amir Garret after he lost to SDSU.
Enough of this clown. He belongs in California where his BS will fit right in.
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@AdamZagoria 4m4 minutes ago New York, USA
Other names I've heard at St. John's besides Chris Mullin and Danny Hurley: Richard Pitino, Tim Cluess, Steve Masiello.
Cluess and Masiello would be mistakes.
I'm not a fan of Pitino, either (unless, it's the elder Pitino).
Danny Hurley seems like the safest bet. Let's see if he would take it. I would take Pitino and pray for the best before I go with Massiello. Jeez, if anyone can't see the sleaze...
Totally agree about Massiello. Our AD said "We are seeking someone who embraces the St. John's mission". Lying about your diploma is not a good fit.
I'm hardly an expert on the SJU mission but isn't 2nd chances a big thing in Catholicism?
No one knows less about the St.John's mission than St.John's. It costs 58k to go to that shit school. That's 58k per year. Not for the entire education. It's not even worth it for most students to pay 58k for all four years.
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@AdamZagoria 4m4 minutes ago New York, USA
Other names I've heard at St. John's besides Chris Mullin and Danny Hurley: Richard Pitino, Tim Cluess, Steve Masiello.
Cluess and Masiello would be mistakes.
I'm not a fan of Pitino, either (unless, it's the elder Pitino).
Danny Hurley seems like the safest bet. Let's see if he would take it. I would take Pitino and pray for the best before I go with Massiello. Jeez, if anyone can't see the sleaze...
Totally agree about Massiello. Our AD said "We are seeking someone who embraces the St. John's mission". Lying about your diploma is not a good fit.
I'm hardly an expert on the SJU mission but isn't 2nd chances a big thing in Catholicism?
Only if you're a child molesting priest.
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Question for those who would know: Doesn't Danny Hurley have some serious Mike Rice in him?
I'm not talking about intensity or getting T'd up in games...I mean like an abusive, foul mouthed screamer in practice. I know he wouldnt be the only coach in America to do that, I'm just wondering if it would fly at SJU. Is he over the line or just on the other side of it?
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Question for those who would know: Doesn't Danny Hurley have some serious Mike Rice in him?
I'm not talking about intensity or getting T'd up in games...I mean like an abusive, foul mouthed screamer in practice. I know he wouldnt be the only coach in America to do that, I'm just wondering if it would fly at SJU. Is he over the line or just on the other side of it?
I watched two uri games this year. He's a whiney bitch on the sidelines. If he gets hired people will get tired of his act very quickly. It was annoying to watch on tv with no rooting interest in the game.
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Question for those who would know: Doesn't Danny Hurley have some serious Mike Rice in him?
I'm not talking about intensity or getting T'd up in games...I mean like an abusive, foul mouthed screamer in practice. I know he wouldnt be the only coach in America to do that, I'm just wondering if it would fly at SJU. Is he over the line or just on the other side of it?
I watched two uri games this year. He's a whiney bitch on the sidelines. If he gets hired people will get tired of his act very quickly. It was annoying to watch on tv with no rooting interest in the game.
is it as bad as Jay Wright? i can live with that...
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Won't get tired of Hurley's act if we win.
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Question for those who would know: Doesn't Danny Hurley have some serious Mike Rice in him?
I'm not talking about intensity or getting T'd up in games...I mean like an abusive, foul mouthed screamer in practice. I know he wouldnt be the only coach in America to do that, I'm just wondering if it would fly at SJU. Is he over the line or just on the other side of it?
I watched two uri games this year. He's a whiney bitch on the sidelines. If he gets hired people will get tired of his act very quickly. It was annoying to watch on tv with no rooting interest in the game.
I watched one URI game. Hurley complained a bit to the refs because of a couple of iffy foul calls, but nothing out of the ordinary.
Do you just not like him?
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I know a URI fan who is praying that Hurley doesn't leave, so their fans love him. I don't care how a guy acts or what a guy wears on the sidelines. If he wins I'll love him and if he doesn't I won't
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Question for those who would know: Doesn't Danny Hurley have some serious Mike Rice in him?
I'm not talking about intensity or getting T'd up in games...I mean like an abusive, foul mouthed screamer in practice. I know he wouldnt be the only coach in America to do that, I'm just wondering if it would fly at SJU. Is he over the line or just on the other side of it?
I watched two uri games this year. He's a whiney bitch on the sidelines. If he gets hired people will get tired of his act very quickly. It was annoying to watch on tv with no rooting interest in the game.
He's a pageant mom on the sidelines. But, I bet he'll win consistently here.
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Question for those who would know: Doesn't Danny Hurley have some serious Mike Rice in him?
I'm not talking about intensity or getting T'd up in games...I mean like an abusive, foul mouthed screamer in practice. I know he wouldnt be the only coach in America to do that, I'm just wondering if it would fly at SJU. Is he over the line or just on the other side of it?
I watched two uri games this year. He's a whiney bitch on the sidelines. If he gets hired people will get tired of his act very quickly. It was annoying to watch on tv with no rooting interest in the game.
I watched one URI game. Hurley complained a bit to the refs because of a couple of iffy foul calls, but nothing out of the ordinary.
Do you just not like him?
I don't really know anything about him as a coach except for the two games I watched. I don't think he's been in the tournament and uri isn't on tv much -- that's all I've seen so can't make a real judgment. To the question above, he was much worse than jay wright. Even the announcers couldn't stop talking about it in one game. Like a child throwing a temper tantrum. Before anyone asks, I don't remember whether he was wearing a suit or not.
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Question for those who would know: Doesn't Danny Hurley have some serious Mike Rice in him?
I'm not talking about intensity or getting T'd up in games...I mean like an abusive, foul mouthed screamer in practice. I know he wouldnt be the only coach in America to do that, I'm just wondering if it would fly at SJU. Is he over the line or just on the other side of it?
I watched two uri games this year. He's a whiney bitch on the sidelines. If he gets hired people will get tired of his act very quickly. It was annoying to watch on tv with no rooting interest in the game.
I'd rather that than Lavin putting his hand on his chin and starring into space contemplating the works of Plato and Aristotle, and what fine wine he's going to have at dinner the whole game.
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Question for those who would know: Doesn't Danny Hurley have some serious Mike Rice in him?
I'm not talking about intensity or getting T'd up in games...I mean like an abusive, foul mouthed screamer in practice. I know he wouldnt be the only coach in America to do that, I'm just wondering if it would fly at SJU. Is he over the line or just on the other side of it?
I watched two uri games this year. He's a whiney bitch on the sidelines. If he gets hired people will get tired of his act very quickly. It was annoying to watch on tv with no rooting interest in the game.
I watched one URI game. Hurley complained a bit to the refs because of a couple of iffy foul calls, but nothing out of the ordinary.
Do you just not like him?
I don't really know anything about him as a coach except for the two games I watched. I don't think he's been in the tournament and uri isn't on tv much -- that's all I've seen so can't make a real judgment. To the question above, he was much worse than jay wright. Even the announcers couldn't stop talking about it in one game. Like a child throwing a temper tantrum. Before anyone asks, I don't remember whether he was wearing a suit or not.
Here's a guy who was wearing a track suit that sounded solid to me:
http://www.wdtv.com/wdtv.cfm?func=view§ion=WVU&item=Buffalo-Head-Coach-Bobby-Hurley-Pregame-Press-Conference-21970 (http://www.wdtv.com/wdtv.cfm?func=view§ion=WVU&item=Buffalo-Head-Coach-Bobby-Hurley-Pregame-Press-Conference-21970)
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Don't care what our future coach does on the sidelines, so long as we win.
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Won't get tired of Hurley's act if we win.
Hurley has an act?
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Question for those who would know: Doesn't Danny Hurley have some serious Mike Rice in him?
I'm not talking about intensity or getting T'd up in games...I mean like an abusive, foul mouthed screamer in practice. I know he wouldnt be the only coach in America to do that, I'm just wondering if it would fly at SJU. Is he over the line or just on the other side of it?
I watched two uri games this year. He's a whiney bitch on the sidelines. If he gets hired people will get tired of his act very quickly. It was annoying to watch on tv with no rooting interest in the game.
He's a pageant mom on the sidelines. But, I bet he'll win consistently here.
Who isn't? That describes every college coach I've ever seen.
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Won't get tired of Hurley's act if we win.
Hurley has an act?
Watch the pregame with Bobby and tell me that's not a guy you want as your coach.
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Hurley went crazy during the game vs us when he coached at wagner. His team played us close if I remember right.
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Sainted Louie was a foulmouthed crazy man on the sidelines and everybody loved him and his act. I would know I had fourth row seats behind the bench.
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Why did coach Lavin continue to bring in players who did not belong here? It's not like he doesn't' know the difference between a player who belongs, and one who does not.
Didn't belong here, what are you talking about?
Had he brought in players who did belong we would have had a solid 8 man rotation. Early on there were 6 players. Then CO, then Jordan. That's 8, who else. Hooper,Borgo, Keith, ADR, JDR, AA, the walk ons. Who helped the core players this year? Steve started ok and then just stopped and guys started playing 40. Sorry I'm a broken record, but I was asked to elaborate. Look at the list of players who were brought in and those who could really play. Fine to think I'm seeing it wrong. I never thought I had any of the answers. I thought Steve did and sorry he did not hold down the job.
That is bogus. If you think that the next coach is going to have 13 Big East caliber players EVERY year on the roster you better get ready to complain now. Completely bogus expectation and criticism. Lavin was at fault of failing to land his top targets for 2014, no doubt. But this other stuff is convenient misinformation.
And go look at all the transfers, low level recruits and non-qualifiers since Ed Cooley took over at Providence. Seriously. Go look and count them all.
I'm not talking about 13 real BE players on one roster. I'm talking who has been brought in since he's been here. If I'm wrong with the #8 ok, please advise. Count Sanchez if you like. I did not. Branch made 6, then came CO and Jordan. And then? Who was here to help this years core 6? I backed Coach Steve for 4 years. I thought this years team started to shoe the symptoms of neglect. I'm still stuck on 8. I handle being wrong. No, Polee does not count. ADR did not help. Keith did not help. Amir not this year, maybe someday. Nuri does not count. Gift counts, I missed him. I don't think I posted what was convenient to make my point. I wish he was still the coach and had the chance to finish up this years class. Starting over sure doesn't help me out.
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Hurley is 45-49 in 3 years at URI, a losing record. In conference, he is 21-29, a losing record. What am I missing? Talk about low expectations. If he is the best we can do, the program is officially a graveyard.
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Hurley is 45-49 in 3 years at URI, a losing record. In conference, he is 21-29, a losing record. What am I missing? Talk about low expectations. If he is the best we can do, the program is officially a graveyard.
He took over a team that went 7-24 and they won 20 games with no impact seniors this year just 3 years later. Did the same thing at Wagner.
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Don't care what our future coach does on the sidelines, so long as we win.
Exactly! He can scratch his arse and smell his finger each and every game. As, long as he's not particularly embarrassing the school, then all that matters is we're winning.
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Don't care what our future coach does on the sidelines, so long as we win.
Exactly! He can scratch his arse and smell his finger each and every game. As, long as he's not particularly embarrassing the school, then all that matters is we're winning.
Smelling his finger - not that embarrassing - "Smells like ... Victory"
Hell, I'd take Duvall as coach if he can be as bad ass ...
https://youtu.be/sBksHaTQCbU (https://youtu.be/sBksHaTQCbU)
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Question for those who would know: Doesn't Danny Hurley have some serious Mike Rice in him?
I'm not talking about intensity or getting T'd up in games...I mean like an abusive, foul mouthed screamer in practice. I know he wouldnt be the only coach in America to do that, I'm just wondering if it would fly at SJU. Is he over the line or just on the other side of it?
I watched two uri games this year. He's a whiney bitch on the sidelines. If he gets hired and doesn't win consistently people will get tired of his act very quickly. It was annoying to watch on tv with no rooting interest in the game.
I've corrected your statement above. Winning makes everything else unimportant to the fanbase.
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Watching Sean Miller and Bo Ryan , cbs showed videos of them at practice earlier in the week...
Can you imagine how embarassing it would be if they ever taped Lavin during one of his practices? Thank goodness a new day is dawning
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Went to the MSG open practice. Lav put on a decent show. He'd be fine
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Went to the MSG open practice. Lav put on a decent show. He'd be fine
Ok. I'm probably not being fair, since I didn't go.
Just rubbing it in I guess.
But he was involved in practice Chud? Instructing?
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Went to the MSG open practice. Lav put on a decent show. He'd be fine
Ok. I'm probably not being fair, since I didn't go.
Just rubbing it in I guess.
But he was involved in practice Chud? Instructing?
Yeah he was. Obviously no game planning, which I'm guessing is what would have worried you most.
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Watching Sean Miller and Bo Ryan , cbs showed videos of them at practice earlier in the week...
Can you imagine how embarassing it would be if they ever taped Lavin during one of his practices? Thank goodness a new day is dawning
I'm also sure you think Masiello's practices make Miller's and Ryan's seem like elementary school gym stuff.
Funny how you compare Lavin to two of the games best coaches but want to replace him with some guy who's proven absolutely nothing!!!
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http://nypost.com/2015/03/28/why-high-school-coaches-arent-sad-to-see-steve-lavin-go/
Stayed Mang times on this board but the local HS are not Sorryvthat he is leaving.
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Watching Sean Miller and Bo Ryan , cbs showed videos of them at practice earlier in the week...
Can you imagine how embarassing it would be if they ever taped Lavin during one of his practices? Thank goodness a new day is dawning
I'm also sure you think Masiello's practices make Miller's and Ryan's seem like elementary school gym stuff.
Funny how you compare Lavin to two of the games best coaches but want to replace him with some guy who's proven absolutely nothing!!!
Who do you want to be hired?
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Watching Sean Miller and Bo Ryan , cbs showed videos of them at practice earlier in the week...
Can you imagine how embarassing it would be if they ever taped Lavin during one of his practices? Thank goodness a new day is dawning
I'm also sure you think Masiello's practices make Miller's and Ryan's seem like elementary school gym stuff.
Funny how you compare Lavin to two of the games best coaches but want to replace him with some guy who's proven absolutely nothing!!!
Who do you want to be hired?
Did you see the list of who Texas is going after? Those guys
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Watching Sean Miller and Bo Ryan , cbs showed videos of them at practice earlier in the week...
Can you imagine how embarassing it would be if they ever taped Lavin during one of his practices? Thank goodness a new day is dawning
I'm also sure you think Masiello's practices make Miller's and Ryan's seem like elementary school gym stuff.
Funny how you compare Lavin to two of the games best coaches but want to replace him with some guy who's proven absolutely nothing!!!
Who do you want to be hired?
Did you see the list of who Texas is going after? Those guys
Add a couple of 0's to your donation check
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Watching Sean Miller and Bo Ryan , cbs showed videos of them at practice earlier in the week...
Can you imagine how embarassing it would be if they ever taped Lavin during one of his practices? Thank goodness a new day is dawning
I'm also sure you think Masiello's practices make Miller's and Ryan's seem like elementary school gym stuff.
Funny how you compare Lavin to two of the games best coaches but want to replace him with some guy who's proven absolutely nothing!!!
Wow I'm sure Zach needed to be dragged kicking and screaming to write that column.
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Watching Sean Miller and Bo Ryan , cbs showed videos of them at practice earlier in the week...
Can you imagine how embarassing it would be if they ever taped Lavin during one of his practices? Thank goodness a new day is dawning
I'm also sure you think Masiello's practices make Miller's and Ryan's seem like elementary school gym stuff.
Funny how you compare Lavin to two of the games best coaches but want to replace him with some guy who's proven absolutely nothing!!!
Who do you want to be hired?
Did you see the list of who Texas is going after? Those guys
Add a couple of 0's to your donation check
It's only a money issue?
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Watching Sean Miller and Bo Ryan , cbs showed videos of them at practice earlier in the week...
Can you imagine how embarassing it would be if they ever taped Lavin during one of his practices? Thank goodness a new day is dawning
I'm also sure you think Masiello's practices make Miller's and Ryan's seem like elementary school gym stuff.
Funny how you compare Lavin to two of the games best coaches but want to replace him with some guy who's proven absolutely nothing!!!
Who do you want to be hired?
Did you see the list of who Texas is going after? Those guys
Haha yeah. Texas has their own cable network. When the Red Storm Network is available to a giant region of the country maybe we'll be able to get those guys. Until then, you may want to join us here on planet Earth
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Watching Sean Miller and Bo Ryan , cbs showed videos of them at practice earlier in the week...
Can you imagine how embarassing it would be if they ever taped Lavin during one of his practices? Thank goodness a new day is dawning
I'm also sure you think Masiello's practices make Miller's and Ryan's seem like elementary school gym stuff.
Funny how you compare Lavin to two of the games best coaches but want to replace him with some guy who's proven absolutely nothing!!!
Wow I'm sure Zach needed to be dragged kicking and screaming to write that column.
Every time a SJU coach gets fired the same article comes out... hmmm, is it the coaches or the scene???
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Watching Sean Miller and Bo Ryan , cbs showed videos of them at practice earlier in the week...
Can you imagine how embarassing it would be if they ever taped Lavin during one of his practices? Thank goodness a new day is dawning
I'm also sure you think Masiello's practices make Miller's and Ryan's seem like elementary school gym stuff.
Funny how you compare Lavin to two of the games best coaches but want to replace him with some guy who's proven absolutely nothing!!!
Who do you want to be hired?
Did you see the list of who Texas is going after? Those guys
Add a couple of 0's to your donation check
It's only a money issue?
Part of it
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Watching Sean Miller and Bo Ryan , cbs showed videos of them at practice earlier in the week...
Can you imagine how embarassing it would be if they ever taped Lavin during one of his practices? Thank goodness a new day is dawning
I'm also sure you think Masiello's practices make Miller's and Ryan's seem like elementary school gym stuff.
Funny how you compare Lavin to two of the games best coaches but want to replace him with some guy who's proven absolutely nothing!!!
Who do you want to be hired?
Did you see the list of who Texas is going after? Those guys
Add a couple of 0's to your donation check
It's only a money issue?
Part of it
Marshall for no less than 3.5Mil.
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Watching Sean Miller and Bo Ryan , cbs showed videos of them at practice earlier in the week...
Can you imagine how embarassing it would be if they ever taped Lavin during one of his practices? Thank goodness a new day is dawning
I'm also sure you think Masiello's practices make Miller's and Ryan's seem like elementary school gym stuff.
Funny how you compare Lavin to two of the games best coaches but want to replace him with some guy who's proven absolutely nothing!!!
Who do you want to be hired?
Did you see the list of who Texas is going after? Those guys
Add a couple of 0's to your donation check
It's only a money issue?
Part of it
What did we offer Donovan last go around? Didn't seem like money was an issue then
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Watching Sean Miller and Bo Ryan , cbs showed videos of them at practice earlier in the week...
Can you imagine how embarassing it would be if they ever taped Lavin during one of his practices? Thank goodness a new day is dawning
I'm also sure you think Masiello's practices make Miller's and Ryan's seem like elementary school gym stuff.
Funny how you compare Lavin to two of the games best coaches but want to replace him with some guy who's proven absolutely nothing!!!
Wow I'm sure Zach needed to be dragged kicking and screaming to write that column.
Every time a SJU coach gets fired the same article comes out... hmmm, is it the coaches or the scene???
If it was the scene, and the coaches were good coaches, they'd be still be coaching. Are they?
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Because of Alabama, they're speculating on 4-5Mil!
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Zach "flip flop" Brazilier - has yet to have an original thought or scoop. His best sources are Johhny Jungle and Redmen.com. Never fails to take a shot at Lavin since he (along with all other reporters) was denied access to Sheed. His HS quote is likely coming from Naclareio (sp?), if anybody.
Flip flop made another bold prediction today all future children will be boys or girls.
This guy is an amateur with a self invented ax to grind.
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has anyone else been "defriended" by Lav's wife on FB? LOL. i just noticed.
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has anyone else been "defriended" by Lav's wife on FB? LOL. i just noticed.
No, just you.
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has anyone else been "defriended" by Lav's wife on FB? LOL. i just noticed.
No, just you.
nice.
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has anyone else been "defriended" by Lav's wife on FB? LOL. i just noticed.
No, just you.
nice.
I forget if I ever friended her. I don't think so. Guess spring cleaning was in order
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has anyone else been "defriended" by Lav's wife on FB? LOL. i just noticed.
No, just you.
nice.
You are not the only one.
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has anyone else been "defriended" by Lav's wife on FB? LOL. i just noticed.
No, just you.
nice.
You are not the only one.
probably got upset i kept posting Mullin news! LOL
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Do you guys know her or just creeps? ;)
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Was that your training to never ask a question which you don't know the correct answer :knuppel2: