6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: ayon25 on April 14, 2015, 07:48:24 PM
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@____whynot: NYC I COMING BACK......😳😁
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@____whynot: NYC I COMING BACK......😳😁
Good. I hope it's true. For his sake. He can clean up his game and polish his skills - improving his chances for professional play down the road. Also gets closer to his degree.
I really liked his demeanor on the court toward the 2nd half of the season.
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Big big big big big. Welcome back Rysheed. A couple of more pieces and we could be talking tournament.
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Smart move...
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Welcome back Sheed. Can only improve your pro stock, smart decision.
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@____whynot: NYC RYSHEED JORDAN WILL BE BACK FOR NEXT SEASON 😁😳👌.....
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Right choice
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Recruiting :)
@____whynot: Let's gooooo @Bsamp0 let's rock the garden...
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If we can land Diallo, we could be better than last year IMO.
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smart choice for both jordan and st john's. if he can escape the drama, he can be the lottery pick if he puts the work in.
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Good choice Rysheed!!
This team is really starting to take shape and could be dangerous with a couple more additions!
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This is amazing! Savior should be a top 3 all-conference scorer!
Oblockpa a lock to lead in blocked shots with Sir with Love gone! ;D
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This is amazing! Savior should be a top 3 all-conference scorer!
Oblockpa a lock to lead in blocked shots with Sir with Love gone! ;D
If he has his head on straight he maybe the most talented and BEST guard in the BE next year.
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If Dunn doesn't come back. I'm confident that he will either buy in or be shown the door. And I think the staff has to be comfortable that he will behave and buy in otherwise not sure if they would take him. Mullin played with and managed a lot of guys who had some baggage.
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The paults avi phenomenon is in full effect. Put up a national championship trophy pronto!
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The paults avi phenomenon is in full effect. Put up a national championship trophy pronto!
No doubt. This was a non consensus call. Impressive run. Keep them coming.
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Good to hear!
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If Dunn doesn't come back. I'm confident that he will either buy in or be shown the door. And I think the staff has to be comfortable that he will behave and buy in otherwise not sure if they would take him. Mullin played with and managed a lot of guys who had some baggage.
No I think Rysheed can be better. He has only been hampered by his psychologically fragile state. Hopefully he matures up and realizes he should be in for the long haul, not the fast money seat. He has all the size, athleticism and ability to be an NBA PG. He just doesn't have it all out together yet. He can be a first rounder in another year or two, and if he had just piped it down the last year or two, NBA teams wouldnt think he was a head case. He probably could've left this year as a solid draft pick.
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This is big because as hard as Lavin tried, he couldn't get rid of the negative karma that killed us since Kennedy got hurt. Remember, it was one smack down after another.
Now we come to these boards expecting good news, not just hoping for it.
Welcome back Jordan. Mullin is going to show you how to make a whole bunch of money.
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Hope this is right. But I have my doubts
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Hope this is right. But I have my doubts
Doubts about what Jordan tweeted? Seems pretty clear, which is surprising given that I don't understand about 95% of his tweets that are posted here.
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Hope this is right. But I have my doubts
I think he would prefer to go to the nba. Just like most of us. He smartly realized that he couldn't go to the NBA like most of us. And he went back to college. He has an amazing opportunity next year. Hoping he realizes it.
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Hope this is right. But I have my doubts
Doubts about what Jordan tweeted? Seems pretty clear, which is surprising given that I don't understand about 95% of his tweets that are posted here.
I'm waiting for announcement from SJU
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Hope this is right. But I have my doubts
Doubts about what Jordan tweeted? Seems pretty clear, which is surprising given that I don't understand about 95% of his tweets that are posted here.
I'm waiting for announcement from SJU
Will they really make an announcement to say a player is returning when the player already announced it? A formal announcement would seem odd.
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Hope this is right. But I have my doubts
are your doubts about Rysheed's commitment or the staff's toward him?
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He is sophomore going into his junior year. What announcement will they make? He says he is coming back. As long as he is in good acdemic standing, he just comes back. No announcement.
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Hope this is right. But I have my doubts
Doubts about what Jordan tweeted? Seems pretty clear, which is surprising given that I don't understand about 95% of his tweets that are posted here.
I'm waiting for announcement from SJU
Will they really make an announcement to say a player is returning when the player already announced it? A formal announcement would seem odd.
Doubt the school would make such an announcement.
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I'm in Baldi's camp. Not expecting a press release from the school but some kind of acknowledgement of his return would signal that Mullin approves.
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Too bad he doesn't wear short shorts....Coach Mullin could send a signal that way as he did with CO!
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Hope this is right. But I have my doubts
Doubts about what Jordan tweeted? Seems pretty clear, which is surprising given that I don't understand about 95% of his tweets that are posted here.
I'm waiting for announcement from SJU
An official announcement from SJU about a player staying who hasnt already declared? Don't hold your breath....best you can do is wait until April 26 and see Sheed doesnt declare.
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Hope this is right. But I have my doubts
Doubts about what Jordan tweeted? Seems pretty clear, which is surprising given that I don't understand about 95% of his tweets that are posted here.
I'm waiting for announcement from SJU
An official announcement from SJU about a player staying who hasnt already declared? Don't hold your breath....best you can do is wait until April 26 and see Sheed doesnt declare.
Once the staff acknowledges his statement, then I will believe it.
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I don't think the staff has any obligation to announce the return of a junior who never declared for draft, announced a transfer, etc.
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wouldn't you think zags checked with staff before he posted?
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wouldn't you think zags checked with staff before he posted?
depends if he considers himself a journalist or a blogger. seems like bloggers these days dont always take the same precautions as true journalists re: sources, etc. Not a knock on zags, I dont know how he does things, just a general statement.
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wouldn't you think zags checked with staff before he posted?
He would've had a quote if he did
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How often do staffs or schools put out press releases when players return to school. Jordan wasn't really an NBA draft pick so there's no point really to do a pomp and circumstance for him coming back. Lets just take it at his word and welcome him back.
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Hope this is right. But I have my doubts
Why because you have had him leaving 1200 times in the last 2 years?
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Hope this is right. But I have my doubts
Why because you have had him leaving 1200 times in the last 2 years?
Baldi has turned a major corner in terms of being right all the time now on inside info and predictions...but apparently Jordan is his kryptonite. The kid tweeting he's staying and Baldi still cant let it go.
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Hope this is right. But I have my doubts
Why because you have had him leaving 1200 times in the last 2 years?
Baldi has turned a major corner in terms of being right all the time now on inside info and predictions...but apparently Jordan is his kryptonite. The kid tweeting he's staying and Baldi still cant let it go.
I am worried about Bluto. He seems to like Mullin, so it will be difficult to turn heel and be Anti Mullin. And if he does choose to go that way, considering how people feel about Mullin I would fear for his safety. Strange times ahead for Bluto.
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If Dunn doesn't come back. I'm confident that he will either buy in or be shown the door. And I think the staff has to be comfortable that he will behave and buy in otherwise not sure if they would take him. Mullin played with and managed a lot of guys who had some baggage.
No I think Rysheed can be better. He has only been hampered by his psychologically fragile state. Hopefully he matures up and realizes he should be in for the long haul, not the fast money seat. He has all the size, athleticism and ability to be an NBA PG. He just doesn't have it all out together yet. He can be a first rounder in another year or two, and if he had just piped it down the last year or two, NBA teams wouldnt think he was a head case. He probably could've left this year as a solid draft pick.
If, by solid draft pick, you mean late second rounder, then he would have a very slight chance. But really, if Jak didn't get drafted, then how could Sheed? Add to that his well documented off court troubles, and he has virtually no chance of going in the draft.
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Hope this is right. But I have my doubts
Why because you have had him leaving 1200 times in the last 2 years?
Baldi has turned a major corner in terms of being right all the time now on inside info and predictions...but apparently Jordan is his kryptonite. The kid tweeting he's staying and Baldi still cant let it go.
I am worried about Bluto. He seems to like Mullin, so it will be difficult to turn heel and be Anti Mullin. And if he does choose to go that way, considering how people feel about Mullin I would fear for his safety. Strange times ahead for Bluto.
Bluto?
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Zach Braziller
@NYPost_Brazille
@Smarty3385 it's not done he's back
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Hope this is right. But I have my doubts
Why because you have had him leaving 1200 times in the last 2 years?
Baldi has turned a major corner in terms of being right all the time now on inside info and predictions...but apparently Jordan is his kryptonite. The kid tweeting he's staying and Baldi still cant let it go.
I am worried about Bluto. He seems to like Mullin, so it will be difficult to turn heel and be Anti Mullin. And if he does choose to go that way, considering how people feel about Mullin I would fear for his safety. Strange times ahead for Bluto.
Bluto?
Baldi
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Hope this is right. But I have my doubts
Why because you have had him leaving 1200 times in the last 2 years?
Baldi has turned a major corner in terms of being right all the time now on inside info and predictions...but apparently Jordan is his kryptonite. The kid tweeting he's staying and Baldi still cant let it go.
You guys are right. Jordan is trustworthy
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To Baldi's credit. Although the dynamic/history between him and Jordan is hilarious, both Braziller and sammy albano are tweeting this isn't done and that its in the staffs hands now
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To Baldi's credit. Although the dynamic/history between him and Jordan is hilarious, both Braziller and sammy albano are tweeting this isn't done and that its in the staffs hands now
I won't believe he is back until I see him play the 1st game.
The issue is Bluto has predicted him leaving 3,732 times by now. Even when he is eventually right he gets no credit for me on that one.
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To Baldi's credit. Although the dynamic/history between him and Jordan is hilarious, both Braziller and sammy albano are tweeting this isn't done and that its in the staffs hands now
Makes sense. I would expect it would be in the staff's hands.
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Zach Braziller
@NYPost_Brazille
@Smarty3385 it's not done he's back
Braziller also said Mullin and slice weren't done deals when everyone else said they were and that Lavin was signing an extension . His "inside information" is not very good.
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Hope this is right. But I have my doubts
Why because you have had him leaving 1200 times in the last 2 years?
Baldi has turned a major corner in terms of being right all the time now on inside info and predictions...but apparently Jordan is his kryptonite. The kid tweeting he's staying and Baldi still cant let it go.
Seriously? ;D
I think the logical conclusion is he wants to come back and staff has to decide what they want to do given his track record and lack of communication.
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Zach Braziller
@NYPost_Brazille
@Smarty3385 it's not done he's back
Braziller also said Mullin and slice weren't done deals when everyone else said they were and that Lavin was signing an extension . His "inside information" is not very good.
Correct.
I don't think it takes any inside info to draw that conclusion re: Jordan.
My guess is that they work it out.
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Zach Braziller
@NYPost_Brazille
@Smarty3385 it's not done he's back
Braziller also said Mullin and slice weren't done deals when everyone else said they were and that Lavin was signing an extension . His "inside information" is not very good.
Andy Katz, the sporting news and a lot more said the same.
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The staff could throw their best player off the team. But not likely.
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Hope this is right. But I have my doubts
Why because you have had him leaving 1200 times in the last 2 years?
Baldi has turned a major corner in terms of being right all the time now on inside info and predictions...but apparently Jordan is his kryptonite. The kid tweeting he's staying and Baldi still cant let it go.
Seriously? ;D
I think the logical conclusion is he wants to come back and staff has to decide what they want to do given his track record and lack of communication.
either way, staff needs to make a decision asap. rysheed isn't going to sit out a year. so it's either sju or draft. and with draft deadline looming, regardless of the past, it's only fair to all parties involved.
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Why would the staff not want him back? Key player next year.
They took Obekpa back, no? Or maybe they didn't?
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The staff could throw their best player off the team. But not likely.
Exactly. Also I am sure they have already expressed to Sheed what they expect of him and he probably in deciding knows he's going to have to do things differently. Perhaps it requires a more formal meeting and outlining of expectations for Sheed to agree to, but would be shocking to not see this done.
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So Mullin is going to turn away a PG as talented and experienced as Jordan in his first year as HC? Please.
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Zach Braziller
@NYPost_Brazille
@Smarty3385 it's not done he's back
Braziller also said Mullin and slice weren't done deals when everyone else said they were and that Lavin was signing an extension . His "inside information" is not very good.
Andy Katz, the sporting news and a lot more said the same.
About Mullin and slice? I don't think so. Braziller has little to no inside information. He has broken literally almost no stories. He gives his opinions on things which is all fine and good but after following his writing for awhile it's clear his inside sources are not very tapped in.
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Is he in school?
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I have heard that books are not the issue with Sheed. The issue is whether he will buy in 100%, because the staff while recognizing his immense talent does not want to deal with all of the nonsense that went on the past two years. If he comes back, as I've said in another post, it is because the staff thinks he has and will buy in all the way. I know he is by far our most talented returning player, but it would not shock me for the staff to part ways if they think Sheed is going to be a problem. Any real success next year will be a pleasant surprise as most accept it will take some time to get where we all want the program to be (though with a motivated Sheed, CO and others, I do think we can be pretty good next year).
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we are going to have way more size....way more depth.....way less experience than last year
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I have heard that books are not the issue with Sheed. The issue is whether he will buy in 100%, because the staff while recognizing his immense talent does not want to deal with all of the nonsense that went on the past two years. If he comes back, as I've said in another post, it is because the staff thinks he has and will buy in all the way. I know he is by far our most talented returning player, but it would not shock me for the staff to part ways if they think Sheed is going to be a problem. Any real success next year will be a pleasant surprise as most accept it will take some time to get where we all want the program to be (though with a motivated Sheed, CO and others, I do think we can be pretty good next year).
If cutting bait with Sheed better have Enrriqo Pallazo kid locked up.
Mullin played with Kevin Williams in college and Sprewell in pros. I am sure he used to dealing with difficult guys. Sheed is too talented to cut loose.
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I agree We Are SjU. Specifically noted earlier in this thread is that Mullin surely knows how to deal with "difficult" players, given his experiences as a player and in management. Which is why I know our staff will make the right call here if Sheed wants to return.
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just got alert on my phone that sheed is coming back, don't know the source, but it wouldn't make sense for staff not to take him back with our back court depth
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Hope he has a drama free season next year. I don't think I could have handled a lot of the stuff he has gone through the last few seasons in regard to his family. If he can focus just on basketball I think he will have a great junior season.
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Hope he has a drama free season next year. I don't think I could have handled a lot of the stuff he has gone through the last few seasons in regard to his family. If he can focus just on basketball I think he will have a great junior season.
What happened in regard to family? Serious question
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Hope he has a drama free season next year. I don't think I could have handled a lot of the stuff he has gone through the last few seasons in regard to his family. If he can focus just on basketball I think he will have a great junior season.
What happened in regard to family? Serious question
He's had a bunch of family issues including his aunt who he was extremely close with apparently who was murdered during the season his freshman year. His mother has also been sick apparently so kids definitely been through a lot but all the more reason to focus on bettering yourself and helping your family by getting an education and improving your draft stock.
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This is amazing! Savior should be a top 3 all-conference scorer!
Oblockpa a lock to lead in blocked shots with Sir with Love gone! ;D
If he has his head on straight he maybe the most talented and BEST guard in the BE next year.
This is amazing! Savior should be a top 3 all-conference scorer!
Oblockpa a lock to lead in blocked shots with Sir with Love gone! ;D
If he has his head on straight he maybe the most talented and BEST guard in the BE next year.
Min fg% 3% ft% Reb Ast Stl to Pts
Player B 2014-15 34.0 .474 .351 .686 5.5 7.5 2.7 4.2 15.6
Player A 2014-15 30.7 .435 .364 .657 3.7 3.1 1.7 3.0 14.1
Player C 2014-15 30.4 .394 .372 .813 1.7 3.6 1.1 1.3 10.1
Played D2014-15 34.4 .421 .387 .861 4.2 3.2 1.6 1.6 16.3
Player E 2014-15 27.8 .367 .346 .746 3.9 3.5 1.4 3.3 12.0
Rysheed (player B) is no lock to be the best guard in the conference. I know you didn't say he was, just that he could be. But many posters are implying he's an elite player in the conference, and I don't know that he's shown that yet. A very good one, but
I think Dunn, Archidiacano, Whitehead, and Smith-Rivera should all be better than him. His shooting has improved, but it's still not on par with the better guards in the conference, and he's still turning the ball over too much and assisting too little.
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black jesus...
http://iconosquare.com/p/963820289051427052_18538679
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This is amazing! Savior should be a top 3 all-conference scorer!
Oblockpa a lock to lead in blocked shots with Sir with Love gone! ;D
If he has his head on straight he maybe the most talented and BEST guard in the BE next year.
This is amazing! Savior should be a top 3 all-conference scorer!
Oblockpa a lock to lead in blocked shots with Sir with Love gone! ;D
If he has his head on straight he maybe the most talented and BEST guard in the BE next year.
Min fg% 3% ft% Reb Ast Stl to Pts
Player B 2014-15 34.0 .474 .351 .686 5.5 7.5 2.7 4.2 15.6
Player A 2014-15 30.7 .435 .364 .657 3.7 3.1 1.7 3.0 14.1
Player C 2014-15 30.4 .394 .372 .813 1.7 3.6 1.1 1.3 10.1
Played D2014-15 34.4 .421 .387 .861 4.2 3.2 1.6 1.6 16.3
Player E 2014-15 27.8 .367 .346 .746 3.9 3.5 1.4 3.3 12.0
Rysheed (player B) is no lock to be the best guard in the conference. I know you didn't say he was, just that he could be. But many posters are implying he's an elite player in the conference, and I don't know that he's shown that yet. A very good one, but
I think Dunn, Archidiacano, Whitehead, and Smith-Rivera should all be better than him. His shooting has improved, but it's still not on par with the better guards in the conference, and he's still turning the ball over too much and assisting too little.
I liked what I saw towards the end of the season with Jordan. If he returns and stops with the shenanigans, he can be 1st team all big east
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Agreed. And the guys listed in the comparison post are his comp.
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So Mullin is going to turn away a PG as talented and experienced as Jordan in his first year as HC? Please.
When Lavin suspended DLo he was also telling us and everyone else that this is his program. The inmates can't be running the asylum. I wasn't happy about the suspension, but at the time, we had no choice but to wait and see what kind of program Lavin would develop.
As it turns out, over the course of 5 years, it's clear that only program Lavin had control over was Norm's. Mullin can't take Rysheed back or commit to start him or give him any special treatment just because. I'm counting on him having a smarter more productive system than Lavin, but we'll see. None of know what he'll do.
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black jesus...
http://iconosquare.com/p/963820289051427052_18538679
Just put him in a #23 MJ jersey and it's good to go.
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Hope he has a drama free season next year. I don't think I could have handled a lot of the stuff he has gone through the last few seasons in regard to his family. If he can focus just on basketball I think he will have a great junior season.
What happened in regard to family? Serious question
He's had a bunch of family issues including his aunt who he was extremely close with apparently who was murdered during the season his freshman year. His mother has also been sick apparently so kids definitely been through a lot but all the more reason to focus on bettering yourself and helping your family by getting an education and improving your draft stock.
Also didn't his grandmother pass away last year?
One reason I stayed home and went to SJU was because my grandma was sick and I wanted to spend weekends with her as she was fading away.
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Hope this is right. But I have my doubts
Why because you have had him leaving 1200 times in the last 2 years?
Baldi has turned a major corner in terms of being right all the time now on inside info and predictions...but apparently Jordan is his kryptonite. The kid tweeting he's staying and Baldi still cant let it go.
Seriously? ;D
I think the logical conclusion is he wants to come back and staff has to decide what they want to do given his track record and lack of communication.
either way, staff needs to make a decision asap. rysheed isn't going to sit out a year. so it's either sju or draft. and with draft deadline looming, regardless of the past, it's only fair to all parties involved.
It's not the staff who has to make a decision. Kid gloves are off with new staff- If Jordan is good with that then he is in.
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Hope this is right. But I have my doubts
Why because you have had him leaving 1200 times in the last 2 years?
Wise
Baldi has turned a major corner in terms of being right all the time now on inside info and predictions...but apparently Jordan is his kryptonite. The kid tweeting he's staying and Baldi still cant let it go.
Seriously? ;D
I think the logical conclusion is he wants to come back and staff has to decide what they want to do given his track record and lack of communication.
either way, staff needs to make a decision asap. rysheed isn't going to sit out a year. so it's either sju or draft. and with draft deadline looming, regardless of the past, it's only fair to all parties involved.
It's not the staff who has to make a decision. Kid gloves are off with new staff- If Jordan is good with that then he is in.
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So Mullin is going to turn away a PG as talented and experienced as Jordan in his first year as HC? Please.
Agree...perhaps they want to see if his return will impact deciion by one of recruits (i.e. Sampson, Mussini)?
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I can see Mullin being sympathetic with players' problems but unsympathetic with anyone who is reluctant to do what is expected of him.
This is a turning point in Rysheed's career. Either he accepts discipline and prospers or he fails to and squanders his talent.
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It will be interesting to see how Mullin responds to Sheed and Obekpa the first time controversy comes around. History dictates it will again and he doesn't seem like he's going to deal with the crap that Lavin did. If he did accept them back I'm sure it was on a zero tolerance policy.
I'd be thrilled to see both of these guys back in uniform next year (I'll believe it when I see it), but would any of us really be shocked if at least one of them got kicked off the team next year at this point? Obviously I hope I'm dead wrong.
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I don't believe that Mullin will turn Sheed away either. But its interesting that the school hasn't said anything, or leaked anything to the press about him returning to school.
This may not be so cut and dry.
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I don't believe that Mullin will turn Sheed away either. But its interesting that the school hasn't said anything, or leaked anything to the press about him returning to school.
This may not be so cut and dry.
Same as Lavins 5 year extension, wait for the school to acknowledge it. Doesn't matter what is said on Twitter
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I don't believe that Mullin will turn Sheed away either. But its interesting that the school hasn't said anything, or leaked anything to the press about him returning to school.
This may not be so cut and dry.
Wouldn't that be the assumption, and they would only post something if his status changed?
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I don't believe that Mullin will turn Sheed away either. But its interesting that the school hasn't said anything, or leaked anything to the press about him returning to school.
This may not be so cut and dry.
Since Sheed didn't announce that he was going to transfer or go pro, the school wouldn't announce he is coming back.
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I don't believe that Mullin will turn Sheed away either. But its interesting that the school hasn't said anything, or leaked anything to the press about him returning to school.
This may not be so cut and dry.
Since Sheed didn't announce that he was going to transfer or go pro, the school wouldn't announce he is coming back.
Program was left in such disarray that every aspect, every player etc is being reevaluated. Special circumstance. I will wait to hear something from the school
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I don't believe that Mullin will turn Sheed away either. But its interesting that the school hasn't said anything, or leaked anything to the press about him returning to school.
This may not be so cut and dry.
Since Sheed didn't announce that he was going to transfer or go pro, the school wouldn't announce he is coming back.
Program was left in such disarray that every aspect, every player etc is being reevaluated. Special circumstance. I will wait to hear something from the school
I don't think this is a special circumstance nor do I think the program was left in a greater disarray than it was left by Jarvis.
I do believe players are being reevaluated which isn’t that out of the ordinary with a wholesale change in the staff. Given Jordan's track record, certainly makes sense. My guess is they work it out. We’ll see.
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I don't believe that Mullin will turn Sheed away either. But its interesting that the school hasn't said anything, or leaked anything to the press about him returning to school.
This may not be so cut and dry.
Since Sheed didn't announce that he was going to transfer or go pro, the school wouldn't announce he is coming back.
Program was left in such disarray that every aspect, every player etc is being reevaluated. Special circumstance. I will wait to hear something from the school
I don't think this is a special circumstance nor do I think the program was left in a greater disarray than it was left by Jarvis.
I do believe players are being reevaluated which isn’t that out of the ordinary with a wholesale change in the staff. Given Jordan's track record, certainly makes sense. My guess is they work it out. We’ll see.
Not sure what Jarvis has to do with this, but ok
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I don't believe that Mullin will turn Sheed away either. But its interesting that the school hasn't said anything, or leaked anything to the press about him returning to school.
This may not be so cut and dry.
Since Sheed didn't announce that he was going to transfer or go pro, the school wouldn't announce he is coming back.
Program was left in such disarray that every aspect, every player etc is being reevaluated. Special circumstance. I will wait to hear something from the school
That is good and fine but the school won't announce anyone is coming back unless they stated they weren't (like CO last year).
Any type of announcement from the school would be someone not coming back.
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I don't believe that Mullin will turn Sheed away either. But its interesting that the school hasn't said anything, or leaked anything to the press about him returning to school.
This may not be so cut and dry.
Since Sheed didn't announce that he was going to transfer or go pro, the school wouldn't announce he is coming back.
Program was left in such disarray that every aspect, every player etc is being reevaluated. Special circumstance. I will wait to hear something from the school
That is good and fine but the school won't announce anyone is coming back unless they stated they weren't (like CO last year).
Any type of announcement from the school would be someone not coming back.
Like I said, wait for it. Doesn't matter what is said on Twitter unless it's a quote from staff or SJU.
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I don't believe that Mullin will turn Sheed away either. But its interesting that the school hasn't said anything, or leaked anything to the press about him returning to school.
This may not be so cut and dry.
Since Sheed didn't announce that he was going to transfer or go pro, the school wouldn't announce he is coming back.
Program was left in such disarray that every aspect, every player etc is being reevaluated. Special circumstance. I will wait to hear something from the school
I don't think this is a special circumstance nor do I think the program was left in a greater disarray than it was left by Jarvis.
I do believe players are being reevaluated which isn’t that out of the ordinary with a wholesale change in the staff. Given Jordan's track record, certainly makes sense. My guess is they work it out. We’ll see.
Not sure what Jarvis has to do with this, but ok
Disputing “left in such disarray” and “special circumstances” (within the context of a turnover in staff). Using Jarvis as an example to make that point.
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I don't believe that Mullin will turn Sheed away either. But its interesting that the school hasn't said anything, or leaked anything to the press about him returning to school.
This may not be so cut and dry.
Since Sheed didn't announce that he was going to transfer or go pro, the school wouldn't announce he is coming back.
Program was left in such disarray that every aspect, every player etc is being reevaluated. Special circumstance. I will wait to hear something from the school
That is good and fine but the school won't announce anyone is coming back unless they stated they weren't (like CO last year).
Any type of announcement from the school would be someone not coming back.
Like I said, wait for it. Doesn't matter what is said on Twitter unless it's a quote from staff or SJU.
Agree doesn't matter what is said on Twitter. Disagree that school will announce which kids are coming back.
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I don't believe that Mullin will turn Sheed away either. But its interesting that the school hasn't said anything, or leaked anything to the press about him returning to school.
This may not be so cut and dry.
Since Sheed didn't announce that he was going to transfer or go pro, the school wouldn't announce he is coming back.
Program was left in such disarray that every aspect, every player etc is being reevaluated. Special circumstance. I will wait to hear something from the school
I don't think this is a special circumstance nor do I think the program was left in a greater disarray than it was left by Jarvis.
I do believe players are being reevaluated which isn’t that out of the ordinary with a wholesale change in the staff. Given Jordan's track record, certainly makes sense. My guess is they work it out. We’ll see.
Not sure what Jarvis has to do with this, but ok
Disputing “left in such disarray” and “special circumstances” (within the context of a turnover in staff). Using Jarvis as an example to make that point.
I would consider a roster full of walkons and 2 malcontents "disarray"
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I don't believe that Mullin will turn Sheed away either. But its interesting that the school hasn't said anything, or leaked anything to the press about him returning to school.
This may not be so cut and dry.
Since Sheed didn't announce that he was going to transfer or go pro, the school wouldn't announce he is coming back.
Program was left in such disarray that every aspect, every player etc is being reevaluated. Special circumstance. I will wait to hear something from the school
I don't think this is a special circumstance nor do I think the program was left in a greater disarray than it was left by Jarvis.
I do believe players are being reevaluated which isn’t that out of the ordinary with a wholesale change in the staff. Given Jordan's track record, certainly makes sense. My guess is they work it out. We’ll see.
Not sure what Jarvis has to do with this, but ok
Disputing “left in such disarray” and “special circumstances” (within the context of a turnover in staff). Using Jarvis as an example to make that point.
I would consider a roster full of walkons and 2 malcontents "disarray"
Yes, the roster is not ideal. The program does not appear to be in great disarray.
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I don't believe that Mullin will turn Sheed away either. But its interesting that the school hasn't said anything, or leaked anything to the press about him returning to school.
This may not be so cut and dry.
Since Sheed didn't announce that he was going to transfer or go pro, the school wouldn't announce he is coming back.
Program was left in such disarray that every aspect, every player etc is being reevaluated. Special circumstance. I will wait to hear something from the school
I don't think this is a special circumstance nor do I think the program was left in a greater disarray than it was left by Jarvis.
I do believe players are being reevaluated which isn’t that out of the ordinary with a wholesale change in the staff. Given Jordan's track record, certainly makes sense. My guess is they work it out. We’ll see.
Not sure what Jarvis has to do with this, but ok
Disputing “left in such disarray” and “special circumstances” (within the context of a turnover in staff). Using Jarvis as an example to make that point.
I would consider a roster full of walkons and 2 malcontents "disarray"
Yes, the roster is not ideal. The program does not appear to be in great disarray.
Not anymore, yes
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I don't believe that Mullin will turn Sheed away either. But its interesting that the school hasn't said anything, or leaked anything to the press about him returning to school.
This may not be so cut and dry.
Since Sheed didn't announce that he was going to transfer or go pro, the school wouldn't announce he is coming back.
Program was left in such disarray that every aspect, every player etc is being reevaluated. Special circumstance. I will wait to hear something from the school
That is good and fine but the school won't announce anyone is coming back unless they stated they weren't (like CO last year).
Any type of announcement from the school would be someone not coming back.
Like I said, wait for it. Doesn't matter what is said on Twitter unless it's a quote from staff or SJU.
Agree doesn't matter what is said on Twitter. Disagree that school will announce which kids are coming back.
Not an actual "announcement", but one of the assistants will text Zach or Zags and tell them that Rysheed is back, and they'll run a story about how thats more good news for SJU basketball.
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I don't believe that Mullin will turn Sheed away either. But its interesting that the school hasn't said anything, or leaked anything to the press about him returning to school.
This may not be so cut and dry.
Since Sheed didn't announce that he was going to transfer or go pro, the school wouldn't announce he is coming back.
Program was left in such disarray that every aspect, every player etc is being reevaluated. Special circumstance. I will wait to hear something from the school
That is good and fine but the school won't announce anyone is coming back unless they stated they weren't (like CO last year).
Any type of announcement from the school would be someone not coming back.
Like I said, wait for it. Doesn't matter what is said on Twitter unless it's a quote from staff or SJU.
Agree doesn't matter what is said on Twitter. Disagree that school will announce which kids are coming back.
Not an actual "announcement", but one of the assistants will text Zach or Zags and tell them that Rysheed is back, and they'll run a story about how thats more good news for SJU basketball.
Exactly. Wait for a quote from staff. Not from Jordan
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@____whynot
Feel good to be back in NYC !!!!!
https://twitter.com/____whynot/status/588769626185662464
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@____whynot
Feel good to be back in NYC !!!!!
https://twitter.com/____whynot/status/588769626185662464
Doesn't count. Not from staff.
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@____whynot
Feel good to be back in NYC !!!!!
https://twitter.com/____whynot/status/588769626185662464
Doesn't count. Not from staff.
LOL! I believe this picture in on campus.
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@____whynot
Feel good to be back in NYC !!!!!
https://twitter.com/____whynot/status/588769626185662464
Doesn't count. Not from staff.
LOL! I believe this picture in on campus.
Spring break just end?
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@____whynot
Feel good to be back in NYC !!!!!
https://twitter.com/____whynot/status/588769626185662464
Doesn't count. Not from staff.
LOL! I believe this picture in on campus.
Spring break just end?
LOL. was thinking the same thing. maybe when he said "NYC i'm coming back" he meant, coming back this week...
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@____whynot
Feel good to be back in NYC !!!!!
https://twitter.com/____whynot/status/588769626185662464
Doesn't count. Not from staff.
LOL! I believe this picture in on campus.
Spring break just end?
LOL. was thinking the same thing. maybe when he said "NYC i'm coming back" he meant, coming back this week...
He specifically tweeted the following:
NYC RYSHEED JORDAN WILL BE BACK FOR NEXT SEASON
AND he tweeted at Brandon Sampson "let's go let's rock the Garden".
But yeah it's probably just about spring break.
Until Chris Mullin sets up his instagram account and posts a picture, on a wednesday, with Rysheed and Louie sharing a cannoli after dinner, I won't believe Rysheed is returning.
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@____whynot
Feel good to be back in NYC !!!!!
https://twitter.com/____whynot/status/588769626185662464
Doesn't count. Not from staff.
LOL! I believe this picture in on campus.
Spring break just end?
LOL. was thinking the same thing. maybe when he said "NYC i'm coming back" he meant, coming back this week...
He specifically tweeted the following:
NYC RYSHEED JORDAN WILL BE BACK FOR NEXT SEASON
AND he tweeted at Brandon Sampson "let's go let's rock the Garden".
But yeah it's probably just about spring break.
Until Chris Mullin sets up his instagram account and posts a picture, on a wednesday, with Rysheed and Louie sharing a cannoli after dinner, I won't believe Rysheed is returning.
At least he appears to want to come back - that was the initial concern. We'll see what happens.
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@____whynot
Feel good to be back in NYC !!!!!
https://twitter.com/____whynot/status/588769626185662464
Doesn't count. Not from staff.
LOL! I believe this picture in on campus.
Spring break just end?
LOL. was thinking the same thing. maybe when he said "NYC i'm coming back" he meant, coming back this week...
He specifically tweeted the following:
NYC RYSHEED JORDAN WILL BE BACK FOR NEXT SEASON
AND he tweeted at Brandon Sampson "let's go let's rock the Garden".
But yeah it's probably just about spring break.
Until Chris Mullin sets up his instagram account and posts a picture, on a wednesday, with Rysheed and Louie sharing a cannoli after dinner, I won't believe Rysheed is returning.
At least he appears to want to come back - that was the initial concern. We'll see what happens.
I just don't think the decision is his solely
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Meaning it's in the hands of hid "handlers, family, circumstances " etc., or that the staff is taking a hard line on his conduct and expectations from him. Don't say both. If so which one percentage wise carries more weight in the decision.
@____whynot
Feel good to be back in NYC !!!!!
https://twitter.com/____whynot/status/588769626185662464
Doesn't count. Not from staff.
LOL! I believe this picture in on campus.
Spring break just end?
LOL. was thinking the same thing. maybe when he said "NYC i'm coming back" he meant, coming back this week...
He specifically tweeted the following:
NYC RYSHEED JORDAN WILL BE BACK FOR NEXT SEASON
AND he tweeted at Brandon Sampson "let's go let's rock the Garden".
But yeah it's probably just about spring break.
Until Chris Mullin sets up his instagram account and posts a picture, on a wednesday, with Rysheed and Louie sharing a cannoli after dinner, I won't believe Rysheed is returning.
At least he appears to want to come back - that was the initial concern. We'll see what happens.
I just don't think the decision is his solely
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@____whynot
Feel good to be back in NYC !!!!!
https://twitter.com/____whynot/status/588769626185662464
Doesn't count. Not from staff.
LOL! I believe this picture in on campus.
Spring break just end?
LOL. was thinking the same thing. maybe when he said "NYC i'm coming back" he meant, coming back this week...
He specifically tweeted the following:
NYC RYSHEED JORDAN WILL BE BACK FOR NEXT SEASON
AND he tweeted at Brandon Sampson "let's go let's rock the Garden".
But yeah it's probably just about spring break.
Until Chris Mullin sets up his instagram account and posts a picture, on a wednesday, with Rysheed and Louie sharing a cannoli after dinner, I won't believe Rysheed is returning.
At least he appears to want to come back - that was the initial concern. We'll see what happens.
I just don't think the decision is his solely
You don't think Rysheed was told what is expected of him if he returns? I seriously doubt it was Rysheed's move to make. I would bet the staff told him, we want you back if you do x, y and z and know that a, b, and c will be expected of you, etc. etc. etc.
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Dude should stay off Twitter
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Dude should stay off Twitter
+1. They all should until they grow up.
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Dude should stay off Twitter
What'd did he do now
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He came back.
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Dude should stay off Twitter
What'd did he do now
Certain hand gestures may give an impression
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Dude should stay off Twitter
What'd did he do now
Certain hand gestures may give an impression
Baldi - did he insult your family or something at some point?
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Dude should stay off Twitter
What'd did he do now
Certain hand gestures may give an impression
Baldi - did he insult your family or something at some point?
Nope. Just my opinion
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Dude should stay off Twitter
+1. They all should until they grow up.
Are there any grownups on twitter?
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Dude should stay off Twitter
What'd did he do now
Certain hand gestures may give an impression
these kids all make hand gestures. did you see pics of our team at the JCole concert? means nothing. i think his, in this instance, is about his crew "why not?"
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Dude should stay off Twitter
What'd did he do now
Certain hand gestures may give an impression
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Baldi is number one!
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Dude should stay off Twitter
What'd did he do now
Certain hand gestures may give an impression
these kids all make hand gestures. did you see pics of our team at the JCole concert? means nothing. i think his, in this instance, is about his crew "why not?"
Crew? And no I did not see concert pics. Good thing
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Dude should stay off Twitter
What'd did he do now
Certain hand gestures may give an impression
these kids all make hand gestures. did you see pics of our team at the JCole concert? means nothing. i think his, in this instance, is about his crew "why not?"
Crew? And no I did not see concert pics. Good thing
Part of your issue may be your age, Baldi. Nowadays kids throw up signs with hands whether they live in the projects in the city, in a mansion in greenwich, ct, or in any of poison's favorite flyover states. Doesn't (necessarily) mean anything. Unless you think the guy below is a hardcore gang member too:
(http://img.bleacherreport.net/img/images/photos/001/750/188/jj-redick-three-hands_crop_north.jpg?w=531&h=354&q=75)
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@RogRubin: Rysheed Jordan was "in the gym today" St. John's coach Chris Mullin said. He and Obekpa will be Johnnies next season. #sjubb
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Good news
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Chris Mullin confirmed Rysheed Jordan will be back at St. John's next season
Howie Kussoy tweet.
Like I said, wait for staff to acknowledge it
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After he wins the POY next year Zach B will tweet that Jordan actually was never recruited by Lavin, he actually anticipated Lavin would be fired in two years and they would hire Mullin and that is why he signed with SJU in 2013!!! LOL!!!
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After he wins the POY next year Zach B will tweet that Jordan actually was never recruited by Lavin, he actually anticipated Lavin would be fired in two years and they would hire Mullin and that is why he signed with SJU in 2013!!! LOL!!!
Talked to Kamal Yard today, Rysheed Jordan's advisor. Said NBA was considered, but decided right move was to return to school. #sjubb
Braziller
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After he wins the POY next year Zach B will tweet that Jordan actually was never recruited by Lavin, he actually anticipated Lavin would be fired in two years and they would hire Mullin and that is why he signed with SJU in 2013!!! LOL!!!
U really have a hard on for Zach
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After he wins the POY next year Zach B will tweet that Jordan actually was never recruited by Lavin, he actually anticipated Lavin would be fired in two years and they would hire Mullin and that is why he signed with SJU in 2013!!! LOL!!!
U really have a hard on for Zach
No but he really can't let go of the previous regime to the point where he essentially has to make excuses for the current staff (not that it was their fault) when they failed to keep Sampson in the fold. It was really pathetic and pretty obvious that the previous staff did not think much of him as a reporter and he is using his position to repay that lack of interest.
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Mullin said he is wiping the slate clean with Obekpa and Jordan. Said both have been "a pleasure to deal with" in workouts
Kussoy tweet
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From his lips to God's ears.
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After he wins the POY next year Zach B will tweet that Jordan actually was never recruited by Lavin, he actually anticipated Lavin would be fired in two years and they would hire Mullin and that is why he signed with SJU in 2013!!! LOL!!!
U really have a hard on for Zach
No but he really can't let go of the previous regime to the point where he essentially has to make excuses for the current staff (not that it was their fault) when they failed to keep Sampson in the fold. It was really pathetic and pretty obvious that the previous staff did not think much of him as a reporter and he is using his position to repay that lack of interest.
fordham and I used to agree on very little until Obama got elected :) but Fordham has been entirely fair and correct in his critique of Zach. I generally like Zach and his coverage of SJU but he has had a hard on for Lavin in his knocks on him and he goes out of his way to not be fair towards him.
He has let his personal feelings about him get in front of the truth. Let it go Zach
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Eh, I'm not impressed. Weren't these same guys tweeting that Lavin was getting an extension this year? I'll believe it when I see the press release from the school.
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Chris Mullin confirmed Rysheed Jordan will be back at St. John's next season
Howie Kussoy tweet.
Like I said, wait for staff to acknowledge it
Arguably we could all say you were the last to know. Rysheed tweeting it and actively recruiting high school seniors was a pretty good sign.
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Chris Mullin confirmed Rysheed Jordan will be back at St. John's next season
Howie Kussoy tweet.
Like I said, wait for staff to acknowledge it
Haaa.
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Chris Mullin confirmed Rysheed Jordan will be back at St. John's next season
Howie Kussoy tweet.
Like I said, wait for staff to acknowledge it
Arguably we could all say you were the last to know. Rysheed tweeting it and actively recruiting high school seniors was a pretty good sign.
Agreed.
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Chris Mullin confirmed Rysheed Jordan will be back at St. John's next season
Howie Kussoy tweet.
Like I said, wait for staff to acknowledge it
Arguably we could all say you were the last to know. Rysheed tweeting it and actively recruiting high school seniors was a pretty good sign.
Agreed.
Then why the tweets today from media? Didn't you guys say earlier in this thread that schools don't announce underclassmen coming back?
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Chris Mullin confirmed Rysheed Jordan will be back at St. John's next season
Howie Kussoy tweet.
Like I said, wait for staff to acknowledge it
Arguably we could all say you were the last to know. Rysheed tweeting it and actively recruiting high school seniors was a pretty good sign.
Agreed.
Then why the tweets today from media? Didn't you guys say earlier in this thread that schools don't announce underclassmen coming back?
He confirmed it. He didn't announce anything.
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Chris Mullin confirmed Rysheed Jordan will be back at St. John's next season
Howie Kussoy tweet.
Like I said, wait for staff to acknowledge it
Arguably we could all say you were the last to know. Rysheed tweeting it and actively recruiting high school seniors was a pretty good sign.
Agreed.
Then why the tweets today from media? Didn't you guys say earlier in this thread that schools don't announce underclassmen coming back?
He confirmed it. He didn't announce anything.
Like I said. Wait for it to be acknowledged by the staff. Because it was their decision
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Chris Mullin confirmed Rysheed Jordan will be back at St. John's next season
Howie Kussoy tweet.
Like I said, wait for staff to acknowledge it
Arguably we could all say you were the last to know. Rysheed tweeting it and actively recruiting high school seniors was a pretty good sign.
Agreed.
Then why the tweets today from media? Didn't you guys say earlier in this thread that schools don't announce underclassmen coming back?
He confirmed it. He didn't announce anything.
Yup, he was specifically asked about it and he answered.
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Chris Mullin confirmed Rysheed Jordan will be back at St. John's next season
Howie Kussoy tweet.
Like I said, wait for staff to acknowledge it
Arguably we could all say you were the last to know. Rysheed tweeting it and actively recruiting high school seniors was a pretty good sign.
Agreed.
Then why the tweets today from media? Didn't you guys say earlier in this thread that schools don't announce underclassmen coming back?
He confirmed it. He didn't announce anything.
Yup, he was specifically asked about it and he answered.
Yup. Glad he's back. I think he, Dunn and Achie can be the top players in Big east
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^Agree Baldi. I hope our guys all come focused for next season.
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After he wins the POY next year Zach B will tweet that Jordan actually was never recruited by Lavin, he actually anticipated Lavin would be fired in two years and they would hire Mullin and that is why he signed with SJU in 2013!!! LOL!!!
Talked to Kamal Yard today, Rysheed Jordan's advisor. Said NBA was considered, but decided right move was to return to school. #sjubb
Braziller
I met that guy once at the times union center for maac finals game. Was kinda weird, we got in an argument about the refs but ended up talking about sean evans and DJ and was a pretty cool dude
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Jordan could be very dangerous this year. He really improved his jump shot and decision making later in the year. If he works hard this offseason and listens to the coaches plus has his head on straight he will be a first round pick I believe with his size and ability. I hope he has matured because kid has all the talent in the world with a basketball in his hands.
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Chris Mullin confirmed Rysheed Jordan will be back at St. John's next season
Howie Kussoy tweet.
Like I said, wait for staff to acknowledge it
Arguably we could all say you were the last to know. Rysheed tweeting it and actively recruiting high school seniors was a pretty good sign.
Agreed.
Then why the tweets today from media? Didn't you guys say earlier in this thread that schools don't announce underclassmen coming back?
They didn't announce it. Don't recall the staff being asked about it before either. Seemed to me once Jordan wanted to come back, most figured they would work it out.
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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/mullin-obekpa-jordan-back-st-john-article-1.2195217?cid=bitly
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Since we have seen Jordan for 2 years, I am looking forward to see if Chris makes some changes in his "style"; such as the neck stretch at the free throw line. Chris always just kept his eyes on the basket when he shot FT's-will be interesting if Sheed changes and his FT %age goes up.
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I'm gonna leave this one alone.
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After he wins the POY next year Zach B will tweet that Jordan actually was never recruited by Lavin, he actually anticipated Lavin would be fired in two years and they would hire Mullin and that is why he signed with SJU in 2013!!! LOL!!!
U really have a hard on for Zach
No but he really can't let go of the previous regime to the point where he essentially has to make excuses for the current staff (not that it was their fault) when they failed to keep Sampson in the fold. It was really pathetic and pretty obvious that the previous staff did not think much of him as a reporter and he is using his position to repay that lack of interest.
fordham and I used to agree on very little until Obama got elected :) but Fordham has been entirely fair and correct in his critique of Zach. I generally like Zach and his coverage of SJU but he has had a hard on for Lavin in his knocks on him and he goes out of his way to not be fair towards him.
He has let his personal feelings about him get in front of the truth. Let it go Zach
You are 100% correct, it was getting really old.
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@____whynot: Broke my finger today 😤
This can't be good.... Then again he's got a while for it to heal.
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@____whynot: Broke my finger today 😤
This can't be good.... Then again he's got a while for it to heal.
can't be too bad if he's still tweeting
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@____whynot: Broke my finger today 😤
This can't be good.... Then again he's got a while for it to heal.
can't be too bad if he's still tweeting
Non-tweeting finger. Status is day-to-day.
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It definitely aint a thumb...
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Braziller seems to think Jordans status academically for next year is in question if you read his latest article about Lovett. Not all that surprising given all the drama that has surrounded him. He also seemed to go home after the season and not come back for quite a while. We have had all good news of late so we don't need this with so much positive momentum.
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Braziller seems to think Jordans status academically for next year is in question if you read his latest article about Lovett. Not all that surprising given all the drama that has surrounded him. He also seemed to go home after the season and not come back for quite a while. We have had all good news of late so we don't need this with so much positive momentum.
No kiddin
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Braziller seems to think Jordans status academically for next year is in question if you read his latest article about Lovett. Not all that surprising given all the drama that has surrounded him. He also seemed to go home after the season and not come back for quite a while. We have had all good news of late so we don't need this with so much positive momentum.
I read that as LoVett's academic status being in question.
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I think he was talking about Lovett ....not Jordan.
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Who was on campus more last year? Lavin or Jordan?
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It would be crazy to pay a coach millions. Then rule ur best player ineligible . If their is a problem. They need to fix it.
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I think he was talking about Lovett ....not Jordan.
He was talking about Jordan 100%. I asked him
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I think he was talking about Lovett ....not Jordan.
He was talking about Jordan 100%. I asked him
Good news then, Jordan is working hard to be eligible and has months to make it so.
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The article reads, verbatim
"At the moment, Jordan’s academic eligibility status is up in the air, which is why LoVett was such an important addition."
not sure why there was debate
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The article reads, verbatim
"At the moment, Jordan’s academic eligibility status is up in the air, which is why LoVett was such an important addition."
not sure why there was debate
Me either lol. Couldn't be much clearer.
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The article reads, verbatim
"At the moment, Jordan’s academic eligibility status is up in the air, which is why LoVett was such an important addition."
not sure why there was debate
Me either lol. Couldn't be much clearer.
The debate was over Roger Rubin's comments not Braziller's.
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The article reads, verbatim
"At the moment, Jordan’s academic eligibility status is up in the air, which is why LoVett was such an important addition."
not sure why there was debate
Me either lol. Couldn't be much clearer.
The debate was over Roger Rubin's comments not Braziller's.
Oh okay, I was saying Braziller's were as clear as day.
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All you can do is hope on Jordan IMO.
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Hope this is right. But I have my doubts
This
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Hope this is right. But I have my doubts
This
You were referring to the the fact that the coaches didn't acknowledge they wanted him back. He's confirmed being back on the team but now this is a whole different set of problems with his academics.
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Is he in school?
This
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Have a friend who had class with him and said he attended one class with her all semester so that's immediately a bad sign.
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Have a friend who had class with him and said he attended one class with her all semester so that's immediately a bad sign.
I took classes with Jayson Williams and Marco Baldi, saw them maybe one or two times all semester. Nothing new,
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I have no doubt there may be eligibility issues but sheeds tweets sure make it seem like he expects to be here playing this season. Tweets this week including a day ago. My guess is he has some work to do but nothing summer school can't fix if he applies himself.
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Have a friend who had class with him and said he attended one class with her all semester so that's immediately a bad sign.
I took classes with Jayson Williams and Marco Baldi, saw them maybe one or two times all semester. Nothing new,
Agreed. Generally the basketball players take paper classes and/or classes where professors don't take attendance. There were classes that I only showed up to a few times too and no one was making any special arrangements for me. All depends on class and professor.
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To make things more nerve racking, Lovett eligibility is far from certain. Hoping for the best.
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I'm betting this staff will be more attentive to academic issues then the previous regime...If the same issues start arising constantly, I am sure there will be changes coming. It's May and nothing official has come out. Keeping the positive vibes.
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Have a friend who had class with him and said he attended one class with her all semester so that's immediately a bad sign.
I took classes with Jayson Williams and Marco Baldi, saw them maybe one or two times all semester. Nothing new,
I don't necessarily agree. I graduated same year as Dj, Justin, Paris, etc. Had a lot of classes with those guys and unless they were away of somethin they went to class quite a bit. Going to one class all semester is a concern. If he went once a week or something u would say hey he's an athlete so you understand but one class in 4 months is absurd.
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Have a friend who had class with him and said he attended one class with her all semester so that's immediately a bad sign.
I took classes with Jayson Williams and Marco Baldi, saw them maybe one or two times all semester. Nothing new,
I don't necessarily agree. I graduated same year as Dj, Justin, Paris, etc. Had a lot of classes with those guys and unless they were away of somethin they went to class quite a bit. Going to one class all semester is a concern. If he went once a week or something u would say hey he's an athlete so you understand but one class in 4 months is absurd.
Have a friend who had class with him and said he attended one class with her all semester so that's immediately a bad sign.
I took classes with Jayson Williams and Marco Baldi, saw them maybe one or two times all semester. Nothing new,
I don't necessarily agree. I graduated same year as Dj, Justin, Paris, etc. Had a lot of classes with those guys and unless they were away of somethin they went to class quite a bit. Going to one class all semester is a concern. If he went once a week or something u would say hey he's an athlete so you understand but one class in 4 months is absurd.
Have a friend who had class with him and said he attended one class with her all semester so that's immediately a bad sign.
I took classes with Jayson Williams and Marco Baldi, saw them maybe one or two times all semester. Nothing new,
I don't necessarily agree. I graduated same year as Dj, Justin, Paris, etc. Had a lot of classes with those guys and unless they were away of somethin they went to class quite a bit. Going to one class all semester is a concern. If he went once a week or something u would say hey he's an athlete so you understand but one class in 4 months is absurd.
Have a friend who had class with him and said he attended one class with her all semester so that's immediately a bad sign.
I took classes with Jayson Williams and Marco Baldi, saw them maybe one or two times all semester. Nothing new,
I don't necessarily agree. I graduated same year as Dj, Justin, Paris, etc. Had a lot of classes with those guys and unless they were away of somethin they went to class quite a bit. Going to one class all semester is a concern. If he went once a week or something u would say hey he's an athlete so you understand but one class in 4 months is absurd.
. I agree. There is no excuse. Fortunately there is summer school.
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In theory if he received no credits, is it even possible for him to be eligible? Does summer school count? My guess is he's suspended for the fall semester or some crap like that which would be a killer with Maui.
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Let's be careful with comments. Next thing u know theo will be running to our friend Zach again.
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@TheoRabinowitz 10m10 minutes ago
:( #sjubb
Anyone know if this is about Jordan?
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Some problems can't be resolved. Get Mussini & move on. Oh those shoes!
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This is not where I wanted the extra ship to come from.. Hope I am misreading both for Jordan's sake and ours.
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blackjesus
@____whynot
@Marcus_LoVett welcome see you soon.🏀
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let's say he doesn't academically qualify. can he make it up during the summer? or is he out until next spring semester?
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Some problems can't be resolved. Get Mussini & move on. Oh those shoes!
Yup. Doesn't look good
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Some problems can't be resolved. Get Mussini & move on. Oh those shoes!
Yup. Doesn't look good
And the curse continues....
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Doomed
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Sick of this dude and his drama. I'll be happy to rid the stench of Lavin from the program. Looking forward to watching the new jacks
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Someone might want to break the news to Jordan that he's not going to be eligible next season.
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Someone might want to break the news to Jordan that he's not going to be eligible next season.
Fed ex envelope to Philly?
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My guess is this is is the scenario. Lavin reeled Jordan in enough last season so that he could put his all out effort on the court to finish the season, and he did. Jordan, likely hell bent on being an NBA superstar, probably just stopped going to class to get ready for His NBA career. Failed classes then realized he was ridiculous to think he was NBA draftable at that time. Decides to come back but now is short classes.
Result is that we are in limbo with Jordan it seems. This kid not smart enough to help himself, that's his problem. Hopefully he gets his ducks in a row, but I'm more than ready to usher in Lovett and Mussini if Jordan can't. This kid is screwing up his own career. This staff won't let him bring the SJu ship down. I'm not worried.
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I'm gonna wait till something definitive comes up with Jordan. He has been dragged through the mud too much here.
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We've been wrong on this kid several times in the last two years. Speculating at this point is pointless. Let's just wish him luck in getting his stuff in order and coming back a more mature student, player, and person. If it doesn't work out, we picked up a fantastic young freshman with a skill set more suitable for PG. Losing Jordan probably puts us on the wrong side of the bubble, but we'll still compete.
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I'm gonna wait till something definitive comes up with Jordan. He has been dragged through the mud too much here.
Thank you
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We've been wrong on this kid several times in the last two years. Speculating at this point is pointless. Let's just wish him luck in getting his stuff in order and coming back a more mature student, player, and person. If it doesn't work out, we picked up a fantastic young freshman with a skill set more suitable for PG. Losing Jordan probably puts us on the wrong side of the bubble, but we'll still compete.
So true. A handful of people shit all over this kid, and all he managed to do was show great improvement and turn in a really solid sophomore season while playing basketball for a school that some of us attended and really care about when he could have taken his talents elsewhere. I have no idea if he's going to play next year either, but if he doesn't I'm not going to trash talk him on a message board like a socially awkward loser. It's pretty funny to think of how I would feel if I was still in college, and I knew some tools on a message board were dumping on me for (possibly) not attending class. For now, I look forward to seeing him progress on the court and hope he plays next year. If he doesn't, then I will root for the next kid to step up instead.
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My guess is this is is the scenario. Lavin reeled Jordan in enough last season so that he could put his all out effort on the court to finish the season, and he did. Jordan, likely hell bent on being an NBA superstar, probably just stopped going to class to get ready for His NBA career. Failed classes then realized he was ridiculous to think he was NBA draftable at that time. Decides to come back but now is short classes.
Result is that we are in limbo with Jordan it seems. This kid not smart enough to help himself, that's his problem. Hopefully he gets his ducks in a row, but I'm more than ready to usher in Lovett and Mussini if Jordan can't. This kid is screwing up his own career. This staff won't let him bring the SJu ship down. I'm not worried.
Exactly MCN!
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I'm waiting to watch Sheed pull a rabbit out of the hat with summer classes. He's smart enough to get it done when motivated.
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I'm waiting to watch Sheed pull a rabbit out of the hat with summer classes. He's smart enough to get it done when motivated.
to catch up i imagined he'd have to be in school for both summer sessions...
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I'm waiting to watch Sheed pull a rabbit out of the hat with summer classes. He's smart enough to get it done when motivated.
to catch up i imagined he'd have to be in school for both summer sessions...
Someone confirm that? I'm going to guess you're correct. Usually classes are one month each, with at least two sessions, correct? I'm not sure if he could squeeze in 9 credits if need be. Or is 6 max?
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here's what i found
http://www.ncaa.org/remaining-eligible-academics
In Division I, student-athletes must complete 40 percent of the coursework required for a degree by the end of their second year. They must complete 60 percent by the end of their third year and 80 percent by the end of their fourth year. Student-athletes are allowed five years to graduate while receiving athletically related financial aid. All Division I student-athletes must earn at least six credit hours each term to be eligible for the following term and must meet minimum grade-point average requirements that are related to an institution’s own GPA standards for graduation.
my question is: when is the "end of their second year" considered? end of may or end of august? If august, i imagine he has time to catch up. otherwise, he could be done.
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here's what i found
http://www.ncaa.org/remaining-eligible-academics (http://www.ncaa.org/remaining-eligible-academics)
In Division I, student-athletes must complete 40 percent of the coursework required for a degree by the end of their second year. They must complete 60 percent by the end of their third year and 80 percent by the end of their fourth year. Student-athletes are allowed five years to graduate while receiving athletically related financial aid. All Division I student-athletes must earn at least six credit hours each term to be eligible for the following term and must meet minimum grade-point average requirements that are related to an institution’s own GPA standards for graduation.
my question is: when is the "end of their second year" considered? end of may or end of august? If august, i imagine he has time to catch up. otherwise, he could be done.
The other wrinkly might be if there were incompletes for a grade or two, or straight up failures. Incompletes - depend on circumstances, but IIRC they have drop dead dates too.
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Good Point MCNPA. Other regimes would have bent over backwards for the kid. This regime really doesn't owe him anything, and our coaching staff has been around the block. They are prepared for the fact that kids come and go.
From what I heard, he stopped going to class during the season, Spring semester. Usually these kids take 9-12 credits and then play catch up in the Summer. He could make up 12 credits in the Summer. The questions is will he be available October-December? Or could he be available January going forward?
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so i guess not making him available to media so "he could concentrate on school" was just more BS.... lOL
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i really don't want to dislike Lavin, but how do you let this happen? did he just stop caring? did he know he was done? all the BS he spewed to the media about life and discipline, it's apparent is just a bunch of BS. where were the academic advisers? where were the tutors? where were his teammates? the assistants? obviously nobody really gave a f*ck.
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We've been wrong on this kid several times in the last two years. Speculating at this point is pointless. Let's just wish him luck in getting his stuff in order and coming back a more mature student, player, and person. If it doesn't work out, we picked up a fantastic young freshman with a skill set more suitable for PG. Losing Jordan probably puts us on the wrong side of the bubble, but we'll still compete.
It was in the tea leaves and no, we haven't been wrong. He has shown no maturity at all. He's dragged this crap along as far as he has been able to and none of it has been for "team". Don't confuse this kid with D'Angelo Harrison because he too went astray. Difference is that D'Angelo has the heart of a lion on and off the court. He's an assasin and wanted to win more than anybody. Rysheed hasn't bought into that. He's all about Rysheed.
We haven't been wrong at all he's talented, but thinks he's bigger than the team. If he's trying to get his grades in order it's only because he dug a hole and wants to dig himself out so he can be a pro. I understand that. He isn't about the team until proven otherwise.
I don't think this is denigrating the kid. He has quit on us several times. Over two seasons and seasons and now as a rising junior. These are the facts. I think he can be a great player and easy NBA player, but he's making Lenny Cooke-type decisions since he got here. At least he had a very understanding guy in Lavin here, and Mullin also let bygones be bygones. Other places he would have been dropped imo.
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He may very well be finished. The above article states that there are also GPA requirements in addition to the required number of completed credits. So if he stopped going to class and received F's in all those courses, he may have pulled his GPA down so low that he might need A's in all four classes over the summer. It may be to tall an order for Rysheed to qualify.
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If he doesn't qualify we need to move forward without him. While on paper Lovett and Sheed in the same backcourt sounds nice...I have my reservations that they would play well together / get along.
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I'm waiting to watch Sheed pull a rabbit out of the hat with summer classes. He's smart enough to get it done when motivated.
to catch up i imagined he'd have to be in school for both summer sessions...
Someone better call Mark Harmon
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He may very well be finished. The above article states that there are also GPA requirements in addition to the required number of completed credits. So if he stopped going to class and received F's in all those courses, he may have pulled his GPA down so low that he might need A's in all four classes over the summer. It may be to tall an order for Rysheed to qualify.
Don't forget - maybe incompletes that got made up...
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Not that any of this is good or right, but Univ. of No Clue made up grades for 18 years....18 years....
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This is all complete non sense. I don't want to hear that he stopped going to class. Who gives a shit, that means nothing. Tell me what his grades were. Jordan isn't being quite about his thoughts on returning. If we are going to speculate, everything I heard Jordan say suggests he believes he will be back.
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If he has in completes the school will give him a chance to a make up the class. If he needs 4 A's He will get 4 A's. If he did so bad last semester this story would have out then. I expect to see him the first game.
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I think pretty much everyone is right on this thread. I think if Jordan applies himself and stays in queens all summer and works his ass off in the classroom the grades will work themselves out.
I'm also guessing that the guys that are skeptical that we will see Jordan return know that thus far it doesn't seem like he's committing to do all that and then we won't see him.
Gotta think it's all in his hands. He made the right decision to stay in school...let's hope he makes the right decision and does what's nexessay to get eligible.
Maybe someone who graduated from the undergrad can enlighten. The schedule says pre-session is May 18-28, then session 1 is June 1. This all started coming out around May 18 so seems like he didn't show up for pre session. What is pre session? Is it additional classes or what? My guess is June 1 or shortly thereafter we find out more.
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Pre-session is a week long class before Summer sessions start.
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Pre-session is a week long class before Summer sessions start.
Well that would be bad to miss I inagine if you needed a bunch of credits...
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It's all speculation at this point what he needs. My gut feeling is that if it was a longshot for him to be eligible he would have entered the draft. I don't think this staff will put up with any BS. He in my opinion will take the necessary classes this summer to be eligible.
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This is all complete non sense. I don't want to hear that he stopped going to class. Who gives a shit, that means nothing. Tell me what his grades were. Jordan isn't being quite about his thoughts on returning. If we are going to speculate, everything I heard Jordan say suggests he believes he will be back.
There's not correlation between going to class once and your grades? That is obviously a big part of why he may possibly be in trouble
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This is all complete non sense. I don't want to hear that he stopped going to class. Who gives a shit, that means nothing. Tell me what his grades were. Jordan isn't being quite about his thoughts on returning. If we are going to speculate, everything I heard Jordan say suggests he believes he will be back.
There's not correlation between going to class once and your grades? That is obviously a big part of why he may possibly be in trouble
How could never going to class not correlate with having bad grades. This isn't UNC. You have to go to class except with a very few special classes for Seniors and honor students.
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This is all complete non sense. I don't want to hear that he stopped going to class. Who gives a shit, that means nothing. Tell me what his grades were. Jordan isn't being quite about his thoughts on returning. If we are going to speculate, everything I heard Jordan say suggests he believes he will be back.
There's not correlation between going to class once and your grades? That is obviously a big part of why he may possibly be in trouble
How could never going to class not correlate with having bad grades. This isn't UNC. You have to go to class except with a very few special classes for Seniors and honor students.
Eh, I took classes with ballplayers while at sju (as I'm sure many of us did), and some of them rarely went and it apparently didn't matter. They have totally different obligations and priorities than the average student, especially when you are talking the flagship program at the school -- I would hope the professors and admin would understand that (as they seemed to do when I was there).
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I once was in a class with a Norm Roberts era player. An assistant coach would peek in the window twice a week to make sure he was there. He decided to skip class the day of our midterm and Norm himself stopped by to check on the player that day. I laughed to myself and forgot about it. That weekend I was watching the game on TV and mysteriously absent from the game was the player because he had been suspended for that game.
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I once was in a class with a Norm Roberts era player. An assistant coach would peek in the window twice a week to make sure he was there. He decided to skip class the day of our midterm and Norm himself stopped by to check on the player that day. I laughed to myself and forgot about it. That weekend I was watching the game on TV and mysteriously absent from the game was the player because he had been suspended for that game.
His kids went to class and graduated. They sucked under him, but he did what Harrington wanted him too. Gee, I wonder if he's doing that at Kansas?
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This is all complete non sense. I don't want to hear that he stopped going to class. Who gives a shit, that means nothing. Tell me what his grades were. Jordan isn't being quite about his thoughts on returning. If we are going to speculate, everything I heard Jordan say suggests he believes he will be back.
There's not correlation between going to class once and your grades? That is obviously a big part of why he may possibly be in trouble
How could never going to class not correlate with having bad grades. This isn't UNC. You have to go to class except with a very few special classes for Seniors and honor students.
Eh, I took classes with ballplayers while at sju (as I'm sure many of us did), and some of them rarely went and it apparently didn't matter. They have totally different obligations and priorities than the average student, especially when you are talking the flagship program at the school -- I would hope the professors and admin would understand that (as they seemed to do when I was there).
There's a differen between missing some classes or assignments because of games or events and attending one class the whole semester. Whatever you want to say this is still college and the players should have to show at least a little interest in school. Attending one class in 4 months show a total lack of interest.
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Paris Horne was always in class had 730 am class with him. Was my partner on a project good dude.
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St. John's' Jordan out for fall semester, season in doubt
http://m.nydailynews.com/sports/college/st-john-g-rysheed-jordan-not-play-red-storm-article-1.2233566?cid=bitly&utm_content=buffercf95b&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=NYDNSports+Twitter
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Yup. Let's move on, get Mussini & long term SJU will be fine. Next season will be challenging, but not a disaster IMO. This staff, in my opinion, is getting the program on the right track. We will experience a few bumps next year, but SJU Hoops is headed in right direction.
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This sucks. Hope he still tries to come back for the second half of the season though. Mussini becomes so much more important.
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Any shot with J. Murray? Seems to want the spotlight MSG and a playing time + Mullin connects make the play staff! Canada is not too far away
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Sad to see a kid ruin his own future like this.
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Talented player but he just cant get out of his own way. Definitely hurts us for next year but I think the new crop of players will do the job for next season. Jordan had missed multiple games every year I was basically just hoping he would make it to November. Better to have clarity on the situation now then in September when nothing can be done. Does Eli Carter become an option now? Not a huge fan but if we miss out on Mussini he would be one of the impact players we could bring in.
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Yup. Let's move on, get Mussini & long term SJU will be fine. Next season will be challenging, but not a disaster IMO. This staff, in my opinion, is getting the program on the right track. We will experience a few bumps next year, but SJU Hoops is headed in right direction.
I agree 100%, for those of you expecting a big season from Jordan, I don't agree. He is talented but immature and hasn't shown any signs of growing up. He may have had a very tough upbringing, but at some point everyone has to take control of their life. I hope he does soon, before it is too late. Additionally while he would have supplied talent and scoring, do you really think he would have provided leadership to all the new players? Very doubtful there.
Let Chris go with who wants to be there and it is only one year of hopefully many.
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Carter dragging his feet in his transfer decision makes sense now with Jordan. Not a huge fan but we badly need backcourt scoring and he fills the need for a year.
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Disappointing but not surprising..hopefully we can get Mussini
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Well said MCN.
We haven't been wrong about him, his prior mishaps have just been minimized or overcome in someway. But the underlying issues have never been resolved.
RJ never turned the corner.
I hope he does. But at some point he needs to be responsible for himself.
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Felix becomes that much more important at this point. Lovett and Mussini will be overmatched defensively. That is why Jordan s length was so invaluable.
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Cant make this shit up.
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Where is he going to go? No NBA, can't transfer. He has 3 options in my opinion. D-League, Europe or work hard and get eligible for second semester. Let's be honest, he's not going to Europe. He needs to listen to whatever Mullin has to say, work his ass off and help this program. Come back in December, help during Big East play and move on. This shouldn't be a surprise to Mullin and staff as he wasn't around at all since they've been hired.
Imagine Lavin stayed? I can't even imagine what our roster would look like. What a lazy, piece of crap.
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I think he goes D League .
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Let's hope he pulls a Dlo, works his ass off, and comes back in the spring. Not likely, but we'll see.
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Just went from tourney team to bottom half of big east.
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If he comes back and gets eligible for the second semester, you can call him Lazarus and Chris will truly be the second coming.
The best thing he can do for the team is to free up a scholarship and hang with his friends in Philly.
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Why wasn't this being monitored by Lavin and Co?
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Why wasn't this being monitored by Lavin and Co?
I dont think they did much monitoring of what Rysheed was doing the whole time he was here it sounds like. In the end its the old staff and Jordans fault. At some point you have grow up and be 20-21 year old man and be responsible for yourself also.
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The scariest part to me honestly is that it seems as though Jordan thought there would be no repercussions of him failing classes. He seemed to think he was all ready to go for this season.
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Why wasn't this being monitored by Lavin and Co?
I dont think they did much monitoring of what Rysheed was doing the whole time he was here it sounds like. In the end its the old staff and Jordans fault. At some point you have grow up and be 20-21 year old man and be responsible for yourself also.
This sums it up perfectly
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This might be news to us. But Mullin had to have known even before he was hired. How do u know Lavin didn't and staff didn't know ? I wouldn't have been happy with a suspension . The guy has been given many chances and he is going to get another one. Hoping for the best .
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Why wasn't this being monitored by Lavin and Co?
I dont think they did much monitoring of what Rysheed was doing the whole time he was here it sounds like. In the end its the old staff and Jordans fault. At some point you have grow up and be 20-21 year old man and be responsible for yourself also.
This sums it up perfectly
So the recent senior class ALL graduated in 4 years, and Lavin took it easy on Jordan. Maybe true we need someone to blame. At the end of the day this is all about Jordan. People waste more time trying to motivate the unmotivated, which rarely works.
Let's get on to another subject, this is over finally.
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i don't want him back. stay in philly.
that said, if he's not in nyc on june 1st, he's not coming back.
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Why wasn't this being monitored by Lavin and Co?
I dont think they did much monitoring of what Rysheed was doing the whole time he was here it sounds like. In the end its the old staff and Jordans fault. At some point you have grow up and be 20-21 year old man and be responsible for yourself also.
This sums it up perfectly
So the recent senior class ALL graduated in 4 years, and Lavin took it easy on Jordan. Maybe true we need someone to blame. At the end of the day this is all about Jordan. People waste more time trying to motivate the unmotivated, which rarely works.
Let's get on to another subject, this is over finally.
Exactly right. This isn't Lavin's fault anymore than Pittsburgh was Jarvis' fault.
Go to class. Take your life seriously and this wouldn't even be a discussion. Jordan's grades are on Jordan. No one else. This isn't Georgetown. It's not like a St.John's academic schedule is too much for him anyone who is literate.
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Jordan is hands down my least favorite St John 's player of all time...and I go back to when Lapchick was coaching.
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Jordan is hands down my least favorite St John 's player of all time...and I go back to when Lapchick was coaching.
What about Abe Keita? I know a lot of people who considered shooting him.
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Jordan is hands down my least favorite St John 's player of all time...and I go back to when Lapchick was coaching.
I dont go back nearly as long but I have to agree with you. You love that kids who don't have the best natural ability but work there ass off. Rysheed is the exact opposite that, all the talent in the world but no work ethic. Such a waste of talent that so many would kill to have.
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Nothing ive seen from this guy makes me think he will put in the work to get eligible 2nd semester. He will go overseas, which might be too far a commute from his boys in Philly. What a waste
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I know he's a 20yo kid...but I've seen a lot of other 20 +/- somethings and they have it figured out....
If he put in half the effort into academics as he does the "whynot cook out", he could have had a college degree from a great institution for FREE and set himself up nicely for an NBA career.
Wish him well...but he wasted a great opportunity!
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Try Grady reynolds for least favorite player
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Jordan is hands down my least favorite St John 's player of all time...and I go back to when Lapchick was coaching.
This is crazy, Newsman. We have a guy that murdered someone. Grady Reynolds sexually assualted someone. Abe Keita put us on probation and made us vacate wins out of pure spite.
Jordan is a good kid that is lazy and spent the last six weeks of his semester without the type of supervision every program in the country has to provide to ensure academic success. Making sure kids do their hw and show up for class is a full-time job. Alex Evans used to run around like a chicken with his head cut off trying to keep everyone eligible.
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Jordan is hands down my least favorite St John 's player of all time...and I go back to when Lapchick was coaching.
This is crazy, Newsman. We have a guy that murdered someone. Grady Reynolds sexually assualted someone. Abe Keita put us on probation and made us vacate wins out of pure spite.
Jordan is a good kid that is lazy and spent the last six weeks of his semester without the type of supervision every program in the country has to provide to ensure academic success. Making sure kids do their hw and show up for class is a full-time job. Alex Evans used to run around like a chicken with his head cut off trying to keep everyone eligible.
If my memory serves me right Grady assaulted not sexually.
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Jordan is hands down my least favorite St John 's player of all time...and I go back to when Lapchick was coaching.
This is crazy, Newsman. We have a guy that murdered someone. Grady Reynolds sexually assualted someone. Abe Keita put us on probation and made us vacate wins out of pure spite.
Jordan is a good kid that is lazy and spent the last six weeks of his semester without the type of supervision every program in the country has to provide to ensure academic success. Making sure kids do their hw and show up for class is a full-time job. Alex Evans used to run around like a chicken with his head cut off trying to keep everyone eligible.
If my memory serves me right Grady assaulted not sexually.
I'm just glad you're okay.
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Jordan is hands down my least favorite St John 's player of all time...and I go back to when Lapchick was coaching.
This is crazy, Newsman. We have a guy that murdered someone. Grady Reynolds sexually assualted someone. Abe Keita put us on probation and made us vacate wins out of pure spite.
Jordan is a good kid that is lazy and spent the last six weeks of his semester without the type of supervision every program in the country has to provide to ensure academic success. Making sure kids do their hw and show up for class is a full-time job. Alex Evans used to run around like a chicken with his head cut off trying to keep everyone eligible.
If my memory serves me right Grady assaulted not sexually.
I'm just glad you're okay.
That was almost funny. Try harder next time, idiot.
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Jordan is hands down my least favorite St John 's player of all time...and I go back to when Lapchick was coaching.
This is crazy, Newsman. We have a guy that murdered someone. Grady Reynolds sexually assualted someone. Abe Keita put us on probation and made us vacate wins out of pure spite.
Jordan is a good kid that is lazy and spent the last six weeks of his semester without the type of supervision every program in the country has to provide to ensure academic success. Making sure kids do their hw and show up for class is a full-time job. Alex Evans used to run around like a chicken with his head cut off trying to keep everyone eligible.
If my memory serves me right Grady assaulted not sexually.
I'm just glad you're okay.
That was almost funny. Try harder next time, idiot.
You know I will :)
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One thing I agree with is that Lovett and Mussini will be overmatched defensively. They'll be like Swiss cheese. Both are very talented offensive players, but from what I've seen, both terrible defenders. Doesn't mean they can't get good, but that usually takes at least a season or so. Be prepared for Iona defense in our backcourt, lol... Not worried bout offense..
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I know he's a 20yo kid...but I've seen a lot of other 20 +/- somethings and they have it figured out....
If he put in half the effort into academics as he does the "whynot cook out", he could have had a college degree from a great institution for FREE and set himself up nicely for an NBA career.
Wish him well...but he wasted a great opportunity!
No reason not to wish any STJ well. (I kid, of course there is) But this kid has blown an endless supply of chances, and it seems that it's because he expected to be in the league by now. He's not a point guard, but he thinks he's a point guard.
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Agree Poison. Think everyone is long tired of the drama. Think the minority of fans just want Jordan gone, even if it means we are worse next year (which we will be), because he is the best returning player and probably would have been pre-sesaon first team all conference (at worst, in the next batch). Majority of fans still want him back if he can get eligible, I think, simply because it gives us a better chance to be pretty good next year. But among those fans I don't think anyone is excusing all the Jordan nonsense. I know the kid has been through a lot in his life, but wasted talent is wasted talent, and it's sad for that reason.
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Looks like my gut feeling on the scenario wasn't wrong. I'm ready to move on. Have no problem with it, even if we are worse. We need Mussini though, to make it work. I'd like to usher in the new. Don't want any of the Rysheed roller coaster. I thought he had bought in. It seems he never did.
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I think one of the downsides of losing Jordan to me is losing some momentum possibly. I felt like with the team we could be an NCAA team. I think something like making the NCAA year one would give Mullin a huge boost on the recruiting trail. I feel like a 16-16 season might slow the mometum a bit. The staff is obviously great at what they do but positive vibes count for something. Kids want to play for a proven winner and I think we could have been that this year now it's up in the air
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Nothing ive seen from this guy makes me think he will put in the work to get eligible 2nd semester. He will go overseas, which might be too far a commute from his boys in Philly. What a waste
I think he thought ST John's was overseas.
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@Sam_Vecenie: I updated my Rysheed Jordan post from earlier regarding his options, which do not include the NBA: http://t.co/hHyIxz9hsS
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I think some on this board are overstating the potential loss of Jordan. Sure he's a talented offensive player. However, I never thought of him as a team oriented guy and he seemed more concerned about getting his than playing 5 man ball.
I actually think without him that there will be more team chemistry next year because there won't be that one "me" guy on the team. Take him or leave him, I think this Johnnies program is focused on much bigger things over the coming years.
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I think some on this board are overstating the potential loss of Jordan. Sure he's a talented offensive player. However, I never thought of him as a team oriented guy and he seemed more concerned about getting his than playing 5 man ball.
I actually think without him that there will be more team chemistry next year because there won't be that one "me" guy on the team. Take him or leave him, I think this Johnnies program is focused on much bigger things over the coming years.
I agree with this. But to have a decent year he was (is) needed.
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I think some on this board are overstating the potential loss of Jordan. Sure he's a talented offensive player. However, I never thought of him as a team oriented guy and he seemed more concerned about getting his than playing 5 man ball.
I actually think without him that there will be more team chemistry next year because there won't be that one "me" guy on the team. Take him or leave him, I think this Johnnies program is focused on much bigger things over the coming years.
He would have been an all big east player and our leading scorer.
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Only thing worse than starting a freshman point guard, is having a starting freshman point guard with a freshman back up. Jordan was good defensively, but was not a pure point guard. We will have issues at the point, can only hope the front court w CO and Sima came make up for back court defensive weaknesses.
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I think some on this board are overstating the potential loss of Jordan. Sure he's a talented offensive player. However, I never thought of him as a team oriented guy and he seemed more concerned about getting his than playing 5 man ball.
I actually think without him that there will be more team chemistry next year because there won't be that one "me" guy on the team. Take him or leave him, I think this Johnnies program is focused on much bigger things over the coming years.
He would have been an all big east player and our leading scorer.
Leading scorer, sure. Yet that doesn't necessarily translate to more wins if he doesn't make the guys around him better.
All big east player? That's far from a lock given the other guards in the conference.
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Only thing worse than starting a freshman point guard, is having a starting freshman point guard with a freshman back up. Jordan was good defensively, but was not a pure point guard. We will have issues at the point, can only hope the front court w CO and Sima came make up for back court defensive weaknesses.
Doesn't the kid from Missouri State play the point? Or some point?
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One thing I agree with is that Lovett and Mussini will be overmatched defensively. They'll be like Swiss cheese. Both are very talented offensive players, but from what I've seen, both terrible defenders. Doesn't mean they can't get good, but that usually takes at least a season or so. Be prepared for Iona defense in our backcourt, lol... Not worried bout offense..
Mullin's going to run Westhead's system. Just need one ferocious rebounder and a helluvalot 3 point shooters with no fear. AND in tremendous shape - let's roll - ;D
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I think some on this board are overstating the potential loss of Jordan. Sure he's a talented offensive player. However, I never thought of him as a team oriented guy and he seemed more concerned about getting his than playing 5 man ball.
I actually think without him that there will be more team chemistry next year because there won't be that one "me" guy on the team. Take him or leave him, I think this Johnnies program is focused on much bigger things over the coming years.
He would have been an all big east player and our leading scorer.
And willing to distribute the ball as a solid passer. I'm not sure what everyone else is looking at, unless it's the jilted gf effect :tickedoff:
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No STJ's fan can tell me this is good news. It's really disappointing news, and there's no way around it. Even if LoVett turns out to be the goods, and Mussini commits and contributes, this team has no upperclasmen returnees in the backcourt. We need a sleeper from 4 positions. That's nothing short of a miracle.
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Huge loss. Baldi was correct when he said we just went from tourney team to bottom half of BE. Oh well.
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Huge loss. Baldi was correct when he said we just went from tourney team to bottom half of BE. Oh well.
I think we don't know enough about our roster to say where we will finish. We have what one returning player now we played major minutes. We haven't really seen any of the new guys play before. Odds are as younger players they may struggle a bit like most freshman do. Jordan's scoring will be sorely missed for sure and could see it being the difference in an NCAA year and NIT year.
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Huge loss. Baldi was correct when he said we just went from tourney team to bottom half of BE. Oh well.
There is a lot of room for error in where many of us were predicting this team to finish. It's not like we were thinking we'd be a #1 seed with a very small margin of error. We were talking about losing ten games or so anyway.
Let's wait a little before we write his SJU obituary. Baldi has been wrong on this kid for three years. Jordan really has no other option than getting his academics in order and coming back mid-December.
Jordan has played like a freshman for two years. I think Lovett will be come in with better decision-making from day one. He's a pure pg. He doesn't have to do anything more than he's done his entire life. Guards are typically ready pretty early.
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D-League is a very solid option, I believe 3 kids in 2 years were drafted from the D-League. I would prefer he leaves in good academic standing just in case he wanted to come back and finish up his degree. However the D-League is an excellent option for someone who is not partial to doing school work in a weak 2016 PG draft.
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D-League is a very solid option, I believe 3 kids in 2 years were drafted from the D-League. I would prefer he leaves in good academic standing just in case he wanted to come back and finish up his degree. However the D-League is an excellent option for someone who is not partial to doing school work in a weak 2016 PG draft.
I can't see this kid coming back to finish his degree after he wasn't going to class while on scholarship
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D-League is a very solid option, I believe 3 kids in 2 years were drafted from the D-League. I would prefer he leaves in good academic standing just in case he wanted to come back and finish up his degree. However the D-League is an excellent option for someone who is not partial to doing school work in a weak 2016 PG draft.
So, you're saying there's a chance?
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D-League is a very solid option, I believe 3 kids in 2 years were drafted from the D-League. I would prefer he leaves in good academic standing just in case he wanted to come back and finish up his degree. However the D-League is an excellent option for someone who is not partial to doing school work in a weak 2016 PG draft.
So, you're saying there's a chance?
After what J. Sampson did I think anything is possible! Jordan put on the uniform he is like family I am rooting for him, small chance but it is new York where miracles happen 🙌
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Huge loss. Baldi was correct when he said we just went from tourney team to bottom half of BE. Oh well.
There is a lot of room for error in where many of us were predicting this team to finish. It's not like we were thinking we'd be a #1 seed with a very small margin of error. We were talking about losing ten games or so anyway.
Let's wait a little before we write his SJU obituary. Baldi has been wrong on this kid for three years. Jordan really has no other option than getting his academics in order and coming back mid-December.
Jordan has played like a freshman for two years. I think Lovett will be come in with better decision-making from day one. He's a pure pg. He doesn't have to do anything more than he's done his entire life. Guards are typically ready pretty early.
I've been wrong on Jordan for 3 years? How so?
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Huge loss. Baldi was correct when he said we just went from tourney team to bottom half of BE. Oh well.
There is a lot of room for error in where many of us were predicting this team to finish. It's not like we were thinking we'd be a #1 seed with a very small margin of error. We were talking about losing ten games or so anyway.
Let's wait a little before we write his SJU obituary. Baldi has been wrong on this kid for three years. Jordan really has no other option than getting his academics in order and coming back mid-December.
Jordan has played like a freshman for two years. I think Lovett will be come in with better decision-making from day one. He's a pure pg. He doesn't have to do anything more than he's done his entire life. Guards are typically ready pretty early.
I've been wrong on Jordan for 3 years? How so?
You've claimed he wouldn't be coming back at least four separate times. Each time he came back and was better than when he left.
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D-League is a very solid option, I believe 3 kids in 2 years were drafted from the D-League. I would prefer he leaves in good academic standing just in case he wanted to come back and finish up his degree. However the D-League is an excellent option for someone who is not partial to doing school work in a weak 2016 PG draft.
So, you're saying there's a chance?
After what J. Sampson did I think anything is possible! Jordan put on the uniform he is like family I am rooting for him, small chance but it is new York where miracles happen 🙌
Sampson is one of the nicest people alive. Jordan has red flags everywhere off the court.
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Jordan is hands down my least favorite St John 's player of all time...and I go back to when Lapchick was coaching.
This is crazy, Newsman. We have a guy that murdered someone. Grady Reynolds sexually assualted someone. Abe Keita put us on probation and made us vacate wins out of pure spite.
Jordan is a good kid that is lazy and spent the last six weeks of his semester without the type of supervision every program in the country has to provide to ensure academic success. Making sure kids do their hw and show up for class is a full-time job. Alex Evans used to run around like a chicken with his head cut off trying to keep everyone eligible.
refresh my memory...who murdered someone? Grady is no favorite, for sure. Jordan was a problem from the beginning with one drama after another. He's one of the reasons I jumped off the Lavin bandwagon. Now he needs someone to check his homework? We've had players flunk out...Billy Lawrence who was a budding star was one...Porter was another. Neither of them gave the team, coaches and fans as much drama. Keita had his stuff tossed from his room because he hooked up...God forbid...with a woman in Pittsburgh. Obekpa had to have his reefer at the most inopportune time. The delaRosas?...I could go on. Jordan was the worst.
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Jordan is hands down my least favorite St John 's player of all time...and I go back to when Lapchick was coaching.
This is crazy, Newsman. We have a guy that murdered someone. Grady Reynolds sexually assualted someone. Abe Keita put us on probation and made us vacate wins out of pure spite.
Jordan is a good kid that is lazy and spent the last six weeks of his semester without the type of supervision every program in the country has to provide to ensure academic success. Making sure kids do their hw and show up for class is a full-time job. Alex Evans used to run around like a chicken with his head cut off trying to keep everyone eligible.
refresh my memory...who murdered someone? Grady is no favorite, for sure. Jordan was a problem from the beginning with one drama after another. He's one of the reasons I jumped off the Lavin bandwagon. Now he needs someone to check his homework? We've had players flunk out...Billy Lawrence who was a budding star was one...Porter was another. Neither of them gave the team, coaches and fans as much drama. Keita had his stuff tossed from his room because he hooked up...God forbid...with a woman in Pittsburgh. Obekpa had to have his reefer at the most inopportune time. The delaRosas?...I could go on. Jordan was the worst.
Shareef Fordham ?
Man this isn't s thread that I would want s recruit to read...
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Jordan is hands down my least favorite St John 's player of all time...and I go back to when Lapchick was coaching.
This is crazy, Newsman. We have a guy that murdered someone. Grady Reynolds sexually assualted someone. Abe Keita put us on probation and made us vacate wins out of pure spite.
Jordan is a good kid that is lazy and spent the last six weeks of his semester without the type of supervision every program in the country has to provide to ensure academic success. Making sure kids do their hw and show up for class is a full-time job. Alex Evans used to run around like a chicken with his head cut off trying to keep everyone eligible.
refresh my memory...who murdered someone? Grady is no favorite, for sure. Jordan was a problem from the beginning with one drama after another. He's one of the reasons I jumped off the Lavin bandwagon. Now he needs someone to check his homework? We've had players flunk out...Billy Lawrence who was a budding star was one...Porter was another. Neither of them gave the team, coaches and fans as much drama. Keita had his stuff tossed from his room because he hooked up...God forbid...with a woman in Pittsburgh. Obekpa had to have his reefer at the most inopportune time. The delaRosas?...I could go on. Jordan was the worst.
Jayson Williams killed someone
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Huge loss. Baldi was correct when he said we just went from tourney team to bottom half of BE. Oh well.
There is a lot of room for error in where many of us were predicting this team to finish. It's not like we were thinking we'd be a #1 seed with a very small margin of error. We were talking about losing ten games or so anyway.
Let's wait a little before we write his SJU obituary. Baldi has been wrong on this kid for three years. Jordan really has no other option than getting his academics in order and coming back mid-December.
Jordan has played like a freshman for two years. I think Lovett will be come in with better decision-making from day one. He's a pure pg. He doesn't have to do anything more than he's done his entire life. Guards are typically ready pretty early.
I've been wrong on Jordan for 3 years? How so?
You've claimed he wouldn't be coming back at least four separate times. Each time he came back and was better than when he left.
You're right. He left more than 4 times and came back. My bad
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Shareef Fordham ?
Please to not be slandering Sharif Fordham, merely a crack dealer who learned skills for life from the Mike Jarvae. If nothing else the best on ball defender in SJU history.
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Jordan is hands down my least favorite St John 's player of all time...and I go back to when Lapchick was coaching.
This is crazy, Newsman. We have a guy that murdered someone. Grady Reynolds sexually assualted someone. Abe Keita put us on probation and made us vacate wins out of pure spite.
Jordan is a good kid that is lazy and spent the last six weeks of his semester without the type of supervision every program in the country has to provide to ensure academic success. Making sure kids do their hw and show up for class is a full-time job. Alex Evans used to run around like a chicken with his head cut off trying to keep everyone eligible.
refresh my memory...who murdered someone? Grady is no favorite, for sure. Jordan was a problem from the beginning with one drama after another. He's one of the reasons I jumped off the Lavin bandwagon. Now he needs someone to check his homework? We've had players flunk out...Billy Lawrence who was a budding star was one...Porter was another. Neither of them gave the team, coaches and fans as much drama. Keita had his stuff tossed from his room because he hooked up...God forbid...with a woman in Pittsburgh. Obekpa had to have his reefer at the most inopportune time. The delaRosas?...I could go on. Jordan was the worst.
Jayson Williams killed someone
But he said he was sorry. It's a time for healing.
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D-League is a very solid option, I believe 3 kids in 2 years were drafted from the D-League. I would prefer he leaves in good academic standing just in case he wanted to come back and finish up his degree. However the D-League is an excellent option for someone who is not partial to doing school work in a weak 2016 PG draft.
. Once he leaves he's not finishing any degree. And I can't blame him., school isn't for everyone. I'd like to see him return 2nd semester. But he ll probably take a shot at the DLeague or making good coin in Europe and he ll get paid more than the average SJU graduate.
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Shareef Fordham ?
Please to not be slandering Sharif Fordham, merely a crack dealer who learned skills for life from the Mike Jarvae. If nothing else the best on ball defender in SJU history.
Best eight ball defender too
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D-League is a very solid option, I believe 3 kids in 2 years were drafted from the D-League. I would prefer he leaves in good academic standing just in case he wanted to come back and finish up his degree. However the D-League is an excellent option for someone who is not partial to doing school work in a weak 2016 PG draft.
. Once he leaves he's not finishing any degree. And I can't blame him., school isn't for everyone. I'd like to see him return 2nd semester. But he ll probably take a shot at the DLeague or making good coin in Europe and he ll get paid more than the average SJU graduate.
St. John's is an international school. Rysheed can easily finish his degree online. :smiley6600:
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Jordan is not my least favorite, he's my most disappointing. with so much talent and with so many chances having been given to him, it's just incredibly disappointing.
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Hope someone explains to Rysheed when he's being paid to play ball in Spain, that he can't just take off back home to Philly for a night or two. You thought he had growing pains being a 2-3 hr car ride home?
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Marillac, why do you keep pushing the buck?
We're supposed to believe RJ was in Pennsylvania for weeks because there was no longer an academic advisor to the bball program? As if he wasn't sure what city his classes were being held in? Bs
Lots of college guys make mistakes of this sort, but when you're a pampered athlete people make excuses for you. Everything Jordan has done since he's been here was swept under the rug by the old staff. He was never held accountable for himself
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Jordan is hands down my least favorite St John 's player of all time...and I go back to when Lapchick was coaching.
This is crazy, Newsman. We have a guy that murdered someone. Grady Reynolds sexually assualted someone. Abe Keita put us on probation and made us vacate wins out of pure spite.
Jordan is a good kid that is lazy and spent the last six weeks of his semester without the type of supervision every program in the country has to provide to ensure academic success. Making sure kids do their hw and show up for class is a full-time job. Alex Evans used to run around like a chicken with his head cut off trying to keep everyone eligible.
refresh my memory...who murdered someone? Grady is no favorite, for sure. Jordan was a problem from the beginning with one drama after another. He's one of the reasons I jumped off the Lavin bandwagon. Now he needs someone to check his homework? We've had players flunk out...Billy Lawrence who was a budding star was one...Porter was another. Neither of them gave the team, coaches and fans as much drama. Keita had his stuff tossed from his room because he hooked up...God forbid...with a woman in Pittsburgh. Obekpa had to have his reefer at the most inopportune time. The delaRosas?...I could go on. Jordan was the worst.
Jayson Williams killed someone
Jordan is hands down my least favorite St John 's player of all time...and I go back to when Lapchick was coaching.
This is crazy, Newsman. We have a guy that murdered someone. Grady Reynolds sexually assualted someone. Abe Keita put us on probation and made us vacate wins out of pure spite.
Jordan is a good kid that is lazy and spent the last six weeks of his semester without the type of supervision every program in the country has to provide to ensure academic success. Making sure kids do their hw and show up for class is a full-time job. Alex Evans used to run around like a chicken with his head cut off trying to keep everyone eligible.
refresh my memory...who murdered someone? Grady is no favorite, for sure. Jordan was a problem from the beginning with one drama after another. He's one of the reasons I jumped off the Lavin bandwagon. Now he needs someone to check his homework? We've had players flunk out...Billy Lawrence who was a budding star was one...Porter was another. Neither of them gave the team, coaches and fans as much drama. Keita had his stuff tossed from his room because he hooked up...God forbid...with a woman in Pittsburgh. Obekpa had to have his reefer at the most inopportune time. The delaRosas?...I could go on. Jordan was the worst.
Jayson Williams killed someone
But he said he was sorry. It's a time for healing.
Williams was playing stupid and the gun went off. That's not the definition of murder. He served time. He lost millions. He paid for his crime. I'd like to see him invited back to help the program.
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paid for his crime.
That's debatable. A person is dead.
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Jordan is hands down my least favorite St John 's player of all time...and I go back to when Lapchick was coaching.
This is crazy, Newsman. We have a guy that murdered someone. Grady Reynolds sexually assualted someone. Abe Keita put us on probation and made us vacate wins out of pure spite.
Jordan is a good kid that is lazy and spent the last six weeks of his semester without the type of supervision every program in the country has to provide to ensure academic success. Making sure kids do their hw and show up for class is a full-time job. Alex Evans used to run around like a chicken with his head cut off trying to keep everyone eligible.
refresh my memory...who murdered someone? Grady is no favorite, for sure. Jordan was a problem from the beginning with one drama after another. He's one of the reasons I jumped off the Lavin bandwagon. Now he needs someone to check his homework? We've had players flunk out...Billy Lawrence who was a budding star was one...Porter was another. Neither of them gave the team, coaches and fans as much drama. Keita had his stuff tossed from his room because he hooked up...God forbid...with a woman in Pittsburgh. Obekpa had to have his reefer at the most inopportune time. The delaRosas?...I could go on. Jordan was the worst.
Jayson Williams killed someone
Jordan is hands down my least favorite St John 's player of all time...and I go back to when Lapchick was coaching.
This is crazy, Newsman. We have a guy that murdered someone. Grady Reynolds sexually assualted someone. Abe Keita put us on probation and made us vacate wins out of pure spite.
Jordan is a good kid that is lazy and spent the last six weeks of his semester without the type of supervision every program in the country has to provide to ensure academic success. Making sure kids do their hw and show up for class is a full-time job. Alex Evans used to run around like a chicken with his head cut off trying to keep everyone eligible.
refresh my memory...who murdered someone? Grady is no favorite, for sure. Jordan was a problem from the beginning with one drama after another. He's one of the reasons I jumped off the Lavin bandwagon. Now he needs someone to check his homework? We've had players flunk out...Billy Lawrence who was a budding star was one...Porter was another. Neither of them gave the team, coaches and fans as much drama. Keita had his stuff tossed from his room because he hooked up...God forbid...with a woman in Pittsburgh. Obekpa had to have his reefer at the most inopportune time. The delaRosas?...I could go on. Jordan was the worst.
Jayson Williams killed someone
But he said he was sorry. It's a time for healing.
Williams was playing stupid and the gun went off. That's not the definition of murder. He served time. He lost millions. He paid for his crime. I'd like to see him invited back to help the program.
Um, no. You want to be one of those mother f'kers who thinks he should own a gun, that comes with responsibility. And ignoring that responsibility cost an innocent man his life. That's a kid w no father because Jayson Williams is a bad-ass. F him. He's f'ing disgrace.
Yea, it's great that he's nice to people now. He should be locked up in a cell.
If you knew or were related to the person that he killed you'd be singing a different tune. But this NRA loving dumb-ass Republican way of life BS has an actual price. We're not 17th in the world in education for nothing. We need people like Jayson to keep bringing us down to that level.
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I don't own a gun because I have a volatile personality...and I might use it on jerkoffs who piss me off...and there are many out there. Unlike Williams, I never thought they were toys.
I do believe people without issues should have the right to own guns. The Bloombergs of the world fight to keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens...while surrounding themselves with bodyguards.
You don't need a gun to kill someone. My grandfather was murdered.
As far as a "kid with no father", it happens, but not in this case. Williams' victim was 55...and eight of his child bearing years were spent in prison. To his great credit, he turned his life around which makes his death all the sadder. Hopefully, Williams life has also turned around. I hope Jordan also turns his life around. It happens.
I don't know how education made it into the argument...but Williams donated one million dollars to St John's...much more than any other player. There are two sides to every person.
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I don't own a gun because I have a volatile personality...and I might use it on jerkoffs who piss me off...and there are many out there. Unlike Williams, I never thought they were toys.
I do believe people without issues should have the right to own guns. The Bloombergs of the world fight to keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens...while surrounding themselves with bodyguards.
You don't need a gun to kill someone. My grandfather was murdered.
As far as a "kid with no father", it happens, but not in this case. Williams' victim was 55...and eight of his child bearing years were spent in prison. To his great credit, he turned his life around which makes his death all the sadder. Hopefully, Williams life has also turned around. I hope Jordan also turns his life around. It happens.
I don't know how education made it into the argument...but Williams donated one million dollars to St John's...much more than any other player. There are two sides to every person.
How long would he have gone to jail for if he wasn't Jayson Williams the baller?
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I don't own a gun because I have a volatile personality...and I might use it on jerkoffs who piss me off...and there are many out there. Unlike Williams, I never thought they were toys.
I do believe people without issues should have the right to own guns. The Bloombergs of the world fight to keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens...while surrounding themselves with bodyguards.
You don't need a gun to kill someone. My grandfather was murdered.
As far as a "kid with no father", it happens, but not in this case. Williams' victim was 55...and eight of his child bearing years were spent in prison. To his great credit, he turned his life around which makes his death all the sadder. Hopefully, Williams life has also turned around. I hope Jordan also turns his life around. It happens.
I don't know how education made it into the argument...but Williams donated one million dollars to St John's...much more than any other player. There are two sides to every person.
How long would he have gone to jail for if he wasn't Jayson Williams the baller?
Being a baller per se probably didn't matter since his career ended five years before the shooting. Maybe a prosecutor was trying to make a name for himself by keeping the case going, so it works both ways.
On the other hand, having monopoly money to pay for superstar lawyers is what helped him to make the plea deal that convicted him for aggravated assault. If it was one of us, we'd still be dropping the soap in the Rahway showers.
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I don't own a gun because I have a volatile personality...and I might use it on jerkoffs who piss me off...and there are many out there. Unlike Williams, I never thought they were toys.
I do believe people without issues should have the right to own guns. The Bloombergs of the world fight to keep guns out of the hands of law abiding citizens...while surrounding themselves with bodyguards.
You don't need a gun to kill someone. My grandfather was murdered.
As far as a "kid with no father", it happens, but not in this case. Williams' victim was 55...and eight of his child bearing years were spent in prison. To his great credit, he turned his life around which makes his death all the sadder. Hopefully, Williams life has also turned around. I hope Jordan also turns his life around. It happens.
I don't know how education made it into the argument...but Williams donated one million dollars to St John's...much more than any other player. There are two sides to every person.
How long would he have gone to jail for if he wasn't Jayson Williams the baller?
Being a baller per se probably didn't matter since his career ended five years before the shooting. Maybe a prosecutor was trying to make a name for himself by keeping the case going, so it works both ways.
On the other hand, having monopoly money to pay for superstar lawyers is what helped him to make the plea deal that convicted him for aggravated assault. If it was one of us, we'd still be dropping the soap in the Rahway showers.
Agreed. Getting back to the point of the thread, I think STJ knows full well what kind of person they want coming back to the University. It's a shame that they are holding some kind of grudge against guys like Marcus Hatten who never hurt anyone but himself. (And really not that much)
Hopefully this is the beginning of a new kind of STJ baller. One that comes to college as a mature freshman. We found Lavor Postell in Georgia. Maybe we should start looking there again?
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Huge loss. Baldi was correct when he said we just went from tourney team to bottom half of BE. Oh well.
There is a lot of room for error in where many of us were predicting this team to finish. It's not like we were thinking we'd be a #1 seed with a very small margin of error. We were talking about losing ten games or so anyway.
Let's wait a little before we write his SJU obituary. Baldi has been wrong on this kid for three years. Jordan really has no other option than getting his academics in order and coming back mid-December.
Jordan has played like a freshman for two years. I think Lovett will be come in with better decision-making from day one. He's a pure pg. He doesn't have to do anything more than he's done his entire life. Guards are typically ready pretty early.
I've been wrong on Jordan for 3 years? How so?
You've claimed he wouldn't be coming back at least four separate times. Each time he came back and was better than when he left.
Liked watching him play, was looking forward to him and LoVett and I think he would have benefited from playing for Mullin and with him we had as hot at tourney. W/O him no shot.
With that all being said, I hope he doesn't come back. Something else will just come up and last time I looked ST John's does not have a Philly campus, so the fact that they got almost two years out of him is pretty amazing.
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Marillac, why do you keep pushing the buck?
We're supposed to believe RJ was in Pennsylvania for weeks because there was no longer an academic advisor to the bball program? As if he wasn't sure what city his classes were being held in? Bs
Lots of college guys make mistakes of this sort, but when you're a pampered athlete people make excuses for you. Everything Jordan has done since he's been here was swept under the rug by the old staff. He was never held accountable for himself
Why do you try to blame Lavin for everything? Lavin went his entire tenure without an academic incident that occurred at St. John's...graduated all of the guys that stayed four years. That's saying a lot in this age. Jordan is a diva and immature and he needed his hand held. I don't care about assessing blame like you and several others are so obsessed with. It wasn't Lavin's fault and it wasn't Mullin's fault. It was Jordan's fault pure and simple. I do not think it would have happened had there been a full staff in place. Keeping track of players is the most tiring and awful part of coaching mens athletics. Some kids just don't belong in college.
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Marillac, why do you keep pushing the buck?
We're supposed to believe RJ was in Pennsylvania for weeks because there was no longer an academic advisor to the bball program? As if he wasn't sure what city his classes were being held in? Bs
Lots of college guys make mistakes of this sort, but when you're a pampered athlete people make excuses for you. Everything Jordan has done since he's been here was swept under the rug by the old staff. He was never held accountable for himself
Why do you try to blame Lavin for everything? Lavin went his entire tenure without an academic incident that occurred at St. John's...graduated all of the guys that stayed four years. That's saying a lot in this age. Jordan is a diva and immature and he needed his hand held. I don't care about assessing blame like you and several others are so obsessed with. It wasn't Lavin's fault and it wasn't Mullin's fault. It was Jordan's fault pure and simple. I do not think it would have happened had there been a full staff in place. Keeping track of players is the most tiring and awful part of coaching mens athletics. Some kids just don't belong in college.
As I said before Rysheed is 100% to blame he is a 20-21 man not a 12 year old. Should someone have been monitoring him more closely? Yea maybe but at this point in your life you need to take responsibility for your own life. Passing classes for an athlete isn't that difficult all you need to do is show up and he couldnt do that.
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Lavin went his entire tenure without an academic incident
Jordan not being eligible is an academic incident, hello?
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Marillac, why do you keep pushing the buck?
We're supposed to believe RJ was in Pennsylvania for weeks because there was no longer an academic advisor to the bball program? As if he wasn't sure what city his classes were being held in? Bs
Lots of college guys make mistakes of this sort, but when you're a pampered athlete people make excuses for you. Everything Jordan has done since he's been here was swept under the rug by the old staff. He was never held accountable for himself
Why do you try to blame Lavin for everything? Lavin went his entire tenure without an academic incident that occurred at St. John's...graduated all of the guys that stayed four years. That's saying a lot in this age. Jordan is a diva and immature and he needed his hand held. I don't care about assessing blame like you and several others are so obsessed with. It wasn't Lavin's fault and it wasn't Mullin's fault. It was Jordan's fault pure and simple. I do not think it would have happened had there been a full staff in place. Keeping track of players is the most tiring and awful part of coaching mens athletics. Some kids just don't belong in college.
As I said before Rysheed is 100% to blame he is a 20-21 man not a 12 year old. Should someone have been monitoring him more closely? Yea maybe but at this point in your life you need to take responsibility for your own life. Passing classes for an athlete isn't that difficult all you need to do is show up and he couldnt do that
How come Lavin gets credit for his four seniors graduating and he doesn't get blame for his star recruit flunking out?
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Jordan is hands down my least favorite St John 's player of all time...and I go back to when Lapchick was coaching.
This is crazy, Newsman. We have a guy that murdered someone. Grady Reynolds sexually assualted someone. Abe Keita put us on probation and made us vacate wins out of pure spite.
Jordan is a good kid that is lazy and spent the last six weeks of his semester without the type of supervision every program in the country has to provide to ensure academic success. Making sure kids do their hw and show up for class is a full-time job. Alex Evans used to run around like a chicken with his head cut off trying to keep everyone eligible.
refresh my memory...who murdered someone? Grady is no favorite, for sure. Jordan was a problem from the beginning with one drama after another. He's one of the reasons I jumped off the Lavin bandwagon. Now he needs someone to check his homework? We've had players flunk out...Billy Lawrence who was a budding star was one...Porter was another. Neither of them gave the team, coaches and fans as much drama. Keita had his stuff tossed from his room because he hooked up...God forbid...with a woman in Pittsburgh. Obekpa had to have his reefer at the most inopportune time. The delaRosas?...I could go on. Jordan was the worst.
Jayson Williams killed someone
Jordan is hands down my least favorite St John 's player of all time...and I go back to when Lapchick was coaching.
This is crazy, Newsman. We have a guy that murdered someone. Grady Reynolds sexually assualted someone. Abe Keita put us on probation and made us vacate wins out of pure spite.
Jordan is a good kid that is lazy and spent the last six weeks of his semester without the type of supervision every program in the country has to provide to ensure academic success. Making sure kids do their hw and show up for class is a full-time job. Alex Evans used to run around like a chicken with his head cut off trying to keep everyone eligible.
refresh my memory...who murdered someone? Grady is no favorite, for sure. Jordan was a problem from the beginning with one drama after another. He's one of the reasons I jumped off the Lavin bandwagon. Now he needs someone to check his homework? We've had players flunk out...Billy Lawrence who was a budding star was one...Porter was another. Neither of them gave the team, coaches and fans as much drama. Keita had his stuff tossed from his room because he hooked up...God forbid...with a woman in Pittsburgh. Obekpa had to have his reefer at the most inopportune time. The delaRosas?...I could go on. Jordan was the worst.
Jayson Williams killed someone
But he said he was sorry. It's a time for healing.
Williams was playing stupid and the gun went off. That's not the definition of murder. He served time. He lost millions. He paid for his crime. I'd like to see him invited back to help the program.
Um, no. You want to be one of those mother f'kers who thinks he should own a gun, that comes with responsibility. And ignoring that responsibility cost an innocent man his life. That's a kid w no father because Jayson Williams is a bad-ass. F him. He's f'ing disgrace.
Yea, it's great that he's nice to people now. He should be locked up in a cell.
If you knew or were related to the person that he killed you'd be singing a different tune. But this NRA loving dumb-ass Republican way of life BS has an actual price. We're not 17th in the world in education for nothing. We need people like Jayson to keep bringing us down to that level.
You want to say that serving time doesn't fully compensate for the loss of life, no argument...But, stop there. Basing it on politics -- with one of the worst leaders of all time in office -- is not your best argument.
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just like Jordan checking out of classes, it seems the staff knowing they were checking out of their positions really didn't keep tabs on the kids knowing they wouldnt be here anymore.
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Jordan is hands down my least favorite St John 's player of all time...and I go back to when Lapchick was coaching.
This is crazy, Newsman. We have a guy that murdered someone. Grady Reynolds sexually assualted someone. Abe Keita put us on probation and made us vacate wins out of pure spite.
Jordan is a good kid that is lazy and spent the last six weeks of his semester without the type of supervision every program in the country has to provide to ensure academic success. Making sure kids do their hw and show up for class is a full-time job. Alex Evans used to run around like a chicken with his head cut off trying to keep everyone eligible.
refresh my memory...who murdered someone? Grady is no favorite, for sure. Jordan was a problem from the beginning with one drama after another. He's one of the reasons I jumped off the Lavin bandwagon. Now he needs someone to check his homework? We've had players flunk out...Billy Lawrence who was a budding star was one...Porter was another. Neither of them gave the team, coaches and fans as much drama. Keita had his stuff tossed from his room because he hooked up...God forbid...with a woman in Pittsburgh. Obekpa had to have his reefer at the most inopportune time. The delaRosas?...I could go on. Jordan was the worst.
Jayson Williams killed someone
Jordan is hands down my least favorite St John 's player of all time...and I go back to when Lapchick was coaching.
This is crazy, Newsman. We have a guy that murdered someone. Grady Reynolds sexually assualted someone. Abe Keita put us on probation and made us vacate wins out of pure spite.
Jordan is a good kid that is lazy and spent the last six weeks of his semester without the type of supervision every program in the country has to provide to ensure academic success. Making sure kids do their hw and show up for class is a full-time job. Alex Evans used to run around like a chicken with his head cut off trying to keep everyone eligible.
refresh my memory...who murdered someone? Grady is no favorite, for sure. Jordan was a problem from the beginning with one drama after another. He's one of the reasons I jumped off the Lavin bandwagon. Now he needs someone to check his homework? We've had players flunk out...Billy Lawrence who was a budding star was one...Porter was another. Neither of them gave the team, coaches and fans as much drama. Keita had his stuff tossed from his room because he hooked up...God forbid...with a woman in Pittsburgh. Obekpa had to have his reefer at the most inopportune time. The delaRosas?...I could go on. Jordan was the worst.
Jayson Williams killed someone
But he said he was sorry. It's a time for healing.
Williams was playing stupid and the gun went off. That's not the definition of murder. He served time. He lost millions. He paid for his crime. I'd like to see him invited back to help the program.
Um, no. You want to be one of those mother f'kers who thinks he should own a gun, that comes with responsibility. And ignoring that responsibility cost an innocent man his life. That's a kid w no father because Jayson Williams is a bad-ass. F him. He's f'ing disgrace.
Yea, it's great that he's nice to people now. He should be locked up in a cell.
If you knew or were related to the person that he killed you'd be singing a different tune. But this NRA loving dumb-ass Republican way of life BS has an actual price. We're not 17th in the world in education for nothing. We need people like Jayson to keep bringing us down to that level.
You want to say that serving time doesn't fully compensate for the loss of life, no argument...But, stop there. Basing it on politics -- with one of the worst leaders of all time in office -- is not your best argument.
Jayson Williams wasn't intelligent enough to own a gun. He proved that. You should need more than a pulse.
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If he doesn't become a well paid athlete somewhere, he's going to really regret not taking advantage of the free education and diploma when he had the chance. I'd like to see him get his act together and be a productive member of the team and have a future in bball. But I'm ok moving on if he isn't going to take the student part of his responsibility more seriously. Millions would kill for the chance he has now. Hopefully he realizes the value of the education he's being given.
Someone said it before and I completely agree, he's a man now. Not a child anymore. It's his responsibility to make or break.
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just like Jordan checking out of classes, it seems the staff knowing they were checking out of their positions really didn't keep tabs on the kids knowing they wouldnt be here anymore.
Yeah, that's why everyone else is fine academically and all the seniors graduated. Some of you guys will stop at nothing to lay blame on Lavin. It's like firing a babysitter in the middle of the job and then blaming the babysitter for the kid getting hurt after they left. I remember there was a day when a kid didn't do his schoolwork the blame went nowhere but to the kid.
If Lavin did one thing well while he was here it was making sure his players took care of their academics.
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just like Jordan checking out of classes, it seems the staff knowing they were checking out of their positions really didn't keep tabs on the kids knowing they wouldnt be here anymore.
Yeah, that's why everyone else is fine academically and all the seniors graduated. Some of you guys will stop at nothing to lay blame on Lavin. It's like firing a babysitter in the middle of the job and then blaming the babysitter for the kid getting hurt after they left. I remember there was a day when a kid didn't do his schoolwork the blame went nowhere but to the kid.
If Lavin did one thing well while he was here it was making sure his players took care of their academics.
the guys that graduated were done in december. so no need to "babysit" spring semester. so while he gets credit for them, he should also get credit for Jordan.
personal accountability is always the biggest driver, but it's pretty obvious that when Jordan came back from that mysterious disappearance in december, agreements were made. and frankly, i would say that Lavin made major concessions in that phone call he had with Rysheed to have him come back. The quote from DLo at a press conference when Jordan came back will always stick in my mind: Thankfully, Lavin was able to convince him to come back and help the team.
You think that conversation was about books or just 3 more months before you go pro?
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just like Jordan checking out of classes, it seems the staff knowing they were checking out of their positions really didn't keep tabs on the kids knowing they wouldnt be here anymore.
Yeah, that's why everyone else is fine academically and all the seniors graduated. Some of you guys will stop at nothing to lay blame on Lavin. It's like firing a babysitter in the middle of the job and then blaming the babysitter for the kid getting hurt after they left. I remember there was a day when a kid didn't do his schoolwork the blame went nowhere but to the kid.
If Lavin did one thing well while he was here it was making sure his players took care of their academics.
the guys that graduated were done in december. so no need to "babysit" spring semester. so while he gets credit for them, he should also get credit for Jordan.
personal accountability is always the biggest driver, but it's pretty obvious that when Jordan came back from that mysterious disappearance in december, agreements were made. and frankly, i would say that Lavin made major concessions in that phone call he had with Rysheed to have him come back. The quote from DLo at a press conference when Jordan came back will always stick in my mind: Thankfully, Lavin was able to convince him to come back and help the team.
You think that conversation was about books or just 3 more months before you go pro?
Not all the guys graduated in December. It's comical that you are trying to use kids graduating early as some type of negative mark for Lavin. Just give it a f*cking rest already. Lavin exceeded any realistic expectations for overseeing his players' academics. Just drop it. The fault is Jordan's alone.
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just like Jordan checking out of classes, it seems the staff knowing they were checking out of their positions really didn't keep tabs on the kids knowing they wouldnt be here anymore.
Yeah, that's why everyone else is fine academically and all the seniors graduated. Some of you guys will stop at nothing to lay blame on Lavin. It's like firing a babysitter in the middle of the job and then blaming the babysitter for the kid getting hurt after they left. I remember there was a day when a kid didn't do his schoolwork the blame went nowhere but to the kid.
If Lavin did one thing well while he was here it was making sure his players took care of their academics.
the guys that graduated were done in december. so no need to "babysit" spring semester. so while he gets credit for them, he should also get credit for Jordan.
personal accountability is always the biggest driver, but it's pretty obvious that when Jordan came back from that mysterious disappearance in december, agreements were made. and frankly, i would say that Lavin made major concessions in that phone call he had with Rysheed to have him come back. The quote from DLo at a press conference when Jordan came back will always stick in my mind: Thankfully, Lavin was able to convince him to come back and help the team.
You think that conversation was about books or just 3 more months before you go pro?
Not all the guys graduated in December. It's comical that you are trying to use kids graduating early as some type of negative mark for Lavin. Just give it a f*cking rest already. Lavin exceeded any realistic expectations for overseeing his players' academics. Just drop it. The fault is Jordan's alone.
When you drive by Lavin's apartment late at night are the lights ever on or is he out somewhere with someone else.
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just like Jordan checking out of classes, it seems the staff knowing they were checking out of their positions really didn't keep tabs on the kids knowing they wouldnt be here anymore.
Yeah, that's why everyone else is fine academically and all the seniors graduated. Some of you guys will stop at nothing to lay blame on Lavin. It's like firing a babysitter in the middle of the job and then blaming the babysitter for the kid getting hurt after they left. I remember there was a day when a kid didn't do his schoolwork the blame went nowhere but to the kid.
If Lavin did one thing well while he was here it was making sure his players took care of their academics.
the guys that graduated were done in december. so no need to "babysit" spring semester. so while he gets credit for them, he should also get credit for Jordan.
personal accountability is always the biggest driver, but it's pretty obvious that when Jordan came back from that mysterious disappearance in december, agreements were made. and frankly, i would say that Lavin made major concessions in that phone call he had with Rysheed to have him come back. The quote from DLo at a press conference when Jordan came back will always stick in my mind: Thankfully, Lavin was able to convince him to come back and help the team.
You think that conversation was about books or just 3 more months before you go pro?
Not all the guys graduated in December. It's comical that you are trying to use kids graduating early as some type of negative mark for Lavin. Just give it a f*cking rest already. Lavin exceeded any realistic expectations for overseeing his players' academics. Just drop it. The fault is Jordan's alone.
When you drive by Lavin's apartment late at night are the lights ever on or is he out somewhere with someone else.
I can't answer that without violating my restraining order.
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Chris M. doesn't know his grades yet or his eligibility status, but all you guys do?
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Chris M. doesn't know his grades yet or his eligibility status, but all you guys do?
Chris Mullin is not confident about it. If that is the case, pretty sure the fans shouldn't be either. And as the interview with Mullin on zags seems to display, mullin isn't concerned one way or another. He's just going to be business as usual and make his assessments on the court and work to sign the best players.
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Chris M. doesn't know his grades yet or his eligibility status, but all you guys do?
Chris Mullin is not confident about it. If that is the case, pretty sure the fans shouldn't be either. And as the interview with Mullin on zags seems to display, mullin isn't concerned one way or another. He's just going to be business as usual and make his assessments on the court and work to sign the best players.
If graduation was two weeks ago, then the semester ended two weeks ago. If that is the case, the grades are in (were in) already, thus, the "rumor" about his academic standing.
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Sorry if this was posted elsewhere.
http://nypost.com/2015/05/27/chris-mullin-has-no-idea-whatll-happen-with-rysheed-jordan/
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Respect other opinions on this, but I welcome cutting bait with Jordan very soon, getting commitment from Mussini & taking a shot at "Big Papa". It is all about long term success.
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Respect other opinions on this, but I welcome cutting bait with Jordan very soon, getting commitment from Mussini & taking a shot at "Big Papa". It is all about long term success.
This one is tough for me. I think the Jordan-Mussini delta is 3 or 4 wins for next year, which could be the difference between being in the mix for the dance or being in the CBI. But long term, ripping the band aid off is probably the best approach.
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"Delta" love it gray! Must be a fellow math/science guy haha
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"Delta" love it gray! Must be a fellow math/science guy haha
It's all about managing Vega.
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Respect other opinions on this, but I welcome cutting bait with Jordan very soon, getting commitment from Mussini & taking a shot at "Big Papa". It is all about long term success.
This one is tough for me. I think the Jordan-Mussini delta is 3 or 4 wins for next year, which could be the difference between being in the mix for the dance or being in the CBI. But long term, ripping the band aid off is probably the best approach.
Both are gone after next year, assuming Mussini comes in the first place. Considering no one on these boards ever saw Mussini play, maybe the best bet would be Jordan.
Of course, it's not up to us.
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Respect other opinions on this, but I welcome cutting bait with Jordan very soon, getting commitment from Mussini & taking a shot at "Big Papa". It is all about long term success.
This one is tough for me. I think the Jordan-Mussini delta is 3 or 4 wins for next year, which could be the difference between being in the mix for the dance or being in the CBI. But long term, ripping the band aid off is probably the best approach.
Both are gone after next year, assuming Mussini comes in the first place. Considering no one on these boards ever saw Mussini play, maybe the best bet would be Jordan.
Of course, it's not up to us.
Actually, I've watched him on ESPN as recently as two months ago. But I agree with Jordan equating to more wins next year.
Why is the assumption that Mussini is only here for a year?
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Respect other opinions on this, but I welcome cutting bait with Jordan very soon, getting commitment from Mussini & taking a shot at "Big Papa". It is all about long term success.
This one is tough for me. I think the Jordan-Mussini delta is 3 or 4 wins for next year, which could be the difference between being in the mix for the dance or being in the CBI. But long term, ripping the band aid off is probably the best approach.
Both are gone after next year, assuming Mussini comes in the first place. Considering no one on these boards ever saw Mussini play, maybe the best bet would be Jordan.
Of course, it's not up to us.
Actually, I've watched him on ESPN as recently as two months ago. But I agree with Jordan equating to more wins next year.
Why is the assumption that Mussini is only here for a year?
He has already been offered pro money.
He says he wants to learn the USA game in order to be a more complete player. He can do that in one year.
I sense it would be easier to pull the trigger coming here if he felt he could return to Italy sooner rather than later.
He apparently won't come unless Jordan's gone...meaning he thinks sitting would be counterproductive to a short stay.
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Respect other opinions on this, but I welcome cutting bait with Jordan very soon, getting commitment from Mussini & taking a shot at "Big Papa". It is all about long term success.
This one is tough for me. I think the Jordan-Mussini delta is 3 or 4 wins for next year, which could be the difference between being in the mix for the dance or being in the CBI. But long term, ripping the band aid off is probably the best approach.
Both are gone after next year, assuming Mussini comes in the first place. Considering no one on these boards ever saw Mussini play, maybe the best bet would be Jordan.
Of course, it's not up to us.
Actually, I've watched him on ESPN as recently as two months ago. But I agree with Jordan equating to more wins next year.
Why is the assumption that Mussini is only here for a year?
He has already been offered pro money.
He says he wants to learn the USA game in order to be a more complete player. He can do that in one year.
I sense it would be easier to pull the trigger coming here if he felt he could return to Italy sooner rather than later.
He apparently won't come unless Jordan's gone...meaning he thinks sitting would be counterproductive to a short stay.
He is not coming here to go back to Europe. He is coming here to take a shot at being an nba player.
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I don't understand his reluctance to come here. Somebody better clue him that the NBA plays in the US.
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I don't understand his reluctance to come here. Somebody better clue him that the NBA plays in the US.
He's not a one and done, and I don't believe he thinks he is. He knows he's coming to a US college to develop for several seasons. (if he comes)
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Respect other opinions on this, but I welcome cutting bait with Jordan very soon, getting commitment from Mussini & taking a shot at "Big Papa". It is all about long term success.
This one is tough for me. I think the Jordan-Mussini delta is 3 or 4 wins for next year, which could be the difference between being in the mix for the dance or being in the CBI. But long term, ripping the band aid off is probably the best approach.
Both are gone after next year, assuming Mussini comes in the first place. Considering no one on these boards ever saw Mussini play, maybe the best bet would be Jordan.
Of course, it's not up to us.
Actually, I've watched him on ESPN as recently as two months ago. But I agree with Jordan equating to more wins next year.
Why is the assumption that Mussini is only here for a year?
He has already been offered pro money.
He says he wants to learn the USA game in order to be a more complete player. He can do that in one year.
I sense it would be easier to pull the trigger coming here if he felt he could return to Italy sooner rather than later.
He apparently won't come unless Jordan's gone...meaning he thinks sitting would be counterproductive to a short stay.
He is not coming here to go back to Europe. He is coming here to take a shot at being an nba player.
Agreed. I think that is fairly obvious too. The only way he leaves after one season if he realizes he just can't match up physically and doesn't want to hurt his stock. He's coming here because it's his only path to the NBA. As an Italian citizen, Italy will always be there for him.
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If Lavin did one thing well while he was here it was making sure his players took care of their academics.
Another thing he did well was win basketball games. 2 for 5 bids directly off of a 9 year drought.
Also, one ill-timed Hooper freeze or one Jakarr defensive brain fart and one 3'lo suspension from a 4 for 5 record.
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Disappointed if he won't come here because of the competition. Even if Jordan comes back it's probably only for one year. If Mussini feels he can't compete with Lovett for minutes then I don't think he is NBA material. Would like to see more confidence by the kid and come here to develop his skills. The staff seems to want him so if he has the goods he'll get a fair shot.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Speaking before charity softball event, Chris Mullin said nothing new on Rysheed Jordan, but expects resolution "soon." #sjubb
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@NYPost_Brazille: Speaking before charity softball event, Chris Mullin said nothing new on Rysheed Jordan, but expects resolution "soon." #sjubb
Replace CM with SL and you have the same answer...Was is it with the NCAA dragging their feet with making decisions on SJU players....am I just overreacting?
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@NYPost_Brazille: Speaking before charity softball event, Chris Mullin said nothing new on Rysheed Jordan, but expects resolution "soon." #sjubb
Replace CM with SL and you have the same answer...Was is it with the NCAA dragging their feet with making decisions on SJU players....am I just overreacting?
Nudg, I don't think this is an issue before any NCAA body at this time. My understanding is that it's a matter of determining if enough classes can be made up for Rysheed to be eligible even if just for 2nd semester, and then secondly do both parties want to continue the relationship.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Speaking before charity softball event, Chris Mullin said nothing new on Rysheed Jordan, but expects resolution "soon." #sjubb
Replace CM with SL and you have the same answer...Was is it with the NCAA dragging their feet with making decisions on SJU players....am I just overreacting?
There's no doubt in my mind they know what going on with Rysheed. I don't think a fundraiser for fallen cops is the right place to make a statement about him.
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I've asked five different people who know who he is and who are on campus all day, and nobody has seen him. Plus nobody on the boards has seen him or heard anything about what he is doing either. Does not bode well. It seems he is not on campus. It appears he is no longer a student and will hope to spend some time earning decent dough playing hoops abroad. I sincerely hope he has good saving and investing skills.
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They're probably going to wrap up all their announcements about class signings and Jordan's situation into one formal announcement. I agree with Wods; CM is not going to say Jordan's done at a charity event. In fact it probably isn't even legal for him to do so yet because of student privacy laws.
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Jordan got picked with the 5th pick in the D-League draft by the 76ers affiliate. I think that was the best possible place for him to land. If he can show off his skills in the d-league Philadelphia could call him up especially since they're tanking, and Isiah Cannan is their starting PG this year. He could also be reunited with Jakarr.
Edit: He actually isn't eligible to be called up until next season.
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He can't play in the NBA this season.
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He can't play in the NBA this season.
Why is that a rule?
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He can't play in the NBA this season.
Why is that a rule?
I think because he did not enter the draft
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Branch was taken by the Lakers
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He can't play in the NBA this season.
Why is that a rule?
I think because he did not enter the draft
Correct, because he didn't declare for the real NBA draft in time.
Also, HELL YEAH BRANCH!
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He can't play in the NBA this season.
Why is that a rule?
I think because he did not enter the draft
Correct, because he didn't declare for the real NBA draft in time.
Also, HELL YEAH BRANCH!
Seems like a dumb rule.
He's out of college he can't go back. Why restrict his earning potential.
Not saying he will ever make it but still
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He can't play in the NBA this season.
Why is that a rule?
I think because he did not enter the draft
Correct, because he didn't declare for the real NBA draft in time.
Also, HELL YEAH BRANCH!
Seems like a dumb rule.
He's out of college he can't go back. Why restrict his earning potential.
Not saying he will ever make it but still
Eh it is what it is.
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NFL has a supplemental draft for situations like this and as I doubt an NBA team would use a first or second rounder on him he would become a free agent if NBA had similar rule.