6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: carmineabbatiello on February 01, 2015, 11:44:15 AM
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Having Dom D up Dunham is the key. 3'lo could not get it done in the first one.
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Having Dom D up Dunham is the key. 3'lo could not get it done in the first one.
Rysheed has th athleticism and length to guard Dunham but he has a tendency to go below the screen instead of fighting to go above it. As soon as Dunham gets that bit of separation, he will pull the trigger. We have to disrupt him enough when he tries to use the screen that he can't get a comfortable shot up.
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Having Dom D up Dunham is the key. 3'lo could not get it done in the first one.
I remember dlo guarding Jones. Thats a good matchup for both of them. Think we need rysheed to guard dunham to start so Dom can help down low on boards. If it doesn't work then you make the switch.
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Dlo is still not healthy so it will be tough for him to follow Dunham around. He played him great last year.
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Make Jones a jump shooter. He is very crafty getting to the rim and can finish with both hands.
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Jordan missing the first game may have cost us the W. Hopefully he comes to play and is the difference maker--he owes it to the seniors.
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Jordan missing the first game may have cost us the W. Hopefully he comes to play and is the difference maker--he owes it to the seniors.
There's no may have. He definitely cost us that game. This is why he isn't a pro. If you're a pro, you come to practice ready and you come to games ready.
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Having Dom D up Dunham is the key. 3'lo could not get it done in the first one.
I remember dlo guarding Jones.
+1
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Having Dom D up Dunham is the key. 3'lo could not get it done in the first one.
I remember dlo guarding Jones.
+1
I know D'Lo was on Dunham at the end for the dagger when he slipped and Dunham nailed a 3.
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Having Dom D up Dunham is the key. 3'lo could not get it done in the first one.
I remember dlo guarding Jones.
+1
I was a the game. 3'lo was covering Dunham almost the entire game. I recall Dom and Octagon on him in man 1 time each.
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Savior could be a good option defending Dunham but it's not something a staff can plan or practice for so I didn't even think of it.
I consider Jordan's availability/playing status to be day to day or half to half.
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Savior could be a good option defending Dunham but it's not something a staff can plan or practice for so I didn't even think of it.
I consider Jordan's availability/playing status to be day to day or half to half.
Sad but true
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Having Dom D up Dunham is the key. 3'lo could not get it done in the first one.
I remember dlo guarding Jones.
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I was a the game. 3'lo was covering Dunham almost the entire game. I recall Dom and Octagon on him in man 1 time each.
You should re watch the game
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D-Lo is going to have to cover Jones unless Butler goes small, in which case Dom can take him. Dom and CO will have to cover Woods and the other big. I'd start Jordan on Dunham because Phil seems to always get bottled up on screens, but perhaps Phil gets the assignment to start the game to keep Jordan out of foul trouble or if Jordan isn't stepping over ball screens.
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Having Dom D up Dunham is the key. 3'lo could not get it done in the first one.
I remember dlo guarding Jones.
+1
I was a the game. 3'lo was covering Dunham almost the entire game. I recall Dom and Octagon on him in man 1 time each.
You should re watch the game
I was drinking. I could be confused.
So who did guard him? Am I also wrong in thinking we played a lot of man that night?
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butler will be a top 25 team coming into this game, should help us
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I think this game will tell us all we need to know about our tournament chances. This is a tough team and a tough place to play but we lose this game and any chance at an at large bid is basically shot. How bad does everyone want this? We will see tomorrow night. I honestly think we are the better team and this is a game we cannot lose.
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Smart well coached teams usually win at home. Butler in a close one.
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We lost to DePaul and Creighton on the road. Butler will have a field day with us. Double digit loss.
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If unfinished business means anything at all, our run started Saturday.
I'll be hopeful, for now.
Johnnies 74, Butler 65
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Sheed is the difference in the numbers/matchups game. Old Dee returns. Squad jumps back in the national picture and shakes up the BE standings.
Johnnies 77
Butler 73
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Box and 1 on Dunham with Pointer
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Dunham had a career game against us. 6/7 from three. hold him to his season 42% and he hits 3/7. Dom playing with more confidence offensively than early January. Sheed (hopefully) plays. We get some minutes from Ali rather than wasting 9 minutes on no effort Jones. This is a "February" game which Lavin says will show team hitting their stride. Time to put up or shut up!
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Hoosiers - 73
Eddie - 69
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Hinkle Fieldhouse is a relatively small venue. Will Sheed want to participate? :angel:
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Hinkle Fieldhouse is a relatively small venue. Will Sheed want to participate? :angel:
He's in Philly thinking about it.
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SJU - 70
Butler- 58
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SJU 72
Butler 60
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Hinkle Fieldhouse is a relatively small venue. Will Sheed want to participate? :angel:
He's in Philly thinking about it.
Joke? Over my head. We need this game haha
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Hinkle Fieldhouse is a relatively small venue. Will Sheed want to participate? :angel:
He's in Philly thinking about it.
Joke? Over my head. We need this game haha
:)
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Storm 67, Dogs 66
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Is it a bad sign that the Superbowl hero's name is "Butler"?
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Is it a bad sign that the Superbowl hero's name is "Butler"?
No. Butler used up all its breaks.. they come up empty as we finally play 2 good games in a row.
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SJU 71
Butler 63
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I think we come out and absolutely destroy them.
SJU 74
Butler 59
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We would have won the first with Jordan. Different game at Hinkle...we need to steal this one.
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I hope we flew out early.
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I hope we flew out early.
They are sitting in Queens waiting to fly out this morning.
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6 point dog
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I hope we flew out early.
They are sitting in Queens waiting to fly out this morning.
Pickup in Philly first. :)
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I hope we flew out early.
They are sitting in Queens waiting to fly out this morning.
Pickup in Philly first. :)
Did Sheed's twitter confirm they landed?
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I hope we flew out early.
They are sitting in Queens waiting to fly out this morning.
That's not good. I'm not bursting with confidence.
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Jordan starting tonight ?
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Jordan starting tonight ?
It would great if all the players were great kids. Some won't be. I don't care if Jordan starts but we need him to win.
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73-72 SJU. Won at the line by Chris Obekpa.
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Bad matchup they shoot threes, we don't guard the three.
Butler 83-SJU 68
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I think we need 7 wins to make the tourney (6 and maybe a chance). Assuming no great BET run, that requires winning at least one of @butler, @xavier, @gtown, or @nova. Right now I like our chances best at butler, so this is a pretty important game in my mind.
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Jordan starting
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@HowieKussoy: Hinkle Fieldhouse is worth the trip, but crowd could be better. Well short of sell out. Ranked 58 and 59 in attendance past 2 years.
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Woods' knuckles drag when he runs. Some long arms on that boy
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Ugly
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A rather crappy start.
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Harrison is a no show thus far
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already switching to the Islanders.. laughable
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Jones killing it. Throwback player!
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already switching to the Islanders.. laughable
oh god give me a break boo. Youre better than that
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We cant play this game in the half court. Just like xavier they guard the crap out of our poor pick and rolls.
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Branch needs to come in when the offense struggles like this. Get something going out there
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Dopey with 2 fouls
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We cant play this game in the half court. Just like xavier they guard the crap out of our poor pick and rolls.
They're actually just playing somewhat of a sagging man. It currently have us off balance.
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2-12 jesus christ
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already switching to the Islanders.. laughable
oh god give me a break boo. Youre better than that
huh? sorry to disappoint. This team, even on good nights, plays unwatchable basketball for the most part..
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Unless, we start hitting some shots from outside or manufacture points from our defense, then we're going to lose this game.
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We might not score 30 points tonight
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We cant play this game in the half court. Just like xavier they guard the crap out of our poor pick and rolls.
They're actually just playing somewhat of a sagging man. It currently have us off balance.
They hedge our ball screens 10 feet from the 3 point line mj.
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These droughts make it tough. Early though.
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already switching to the Islanders.. laughable
oh god give me a break boo. Youre better than that
huh? sorry to disappoint. This team, even on good nights, plays unwatchable basketball for the most part..
Im talking about it being laughable 4 minutes into the game
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They are playing scared of the fat kid
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worst 10 min. all year
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Woods has 6 rebounds already, Obekpa 1
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already switching to the Islanders.. laughable
oh god give me a break boo. Youre better than that
huh? sorry to disappoint. This team, even on good nights, plays unwatchable basketball for the most part..
Im talking about it being laughable 4 minutes into the game
It's not?
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obekpa to the NBA is comical
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Greene has to hit those wide open shots.
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I hope Obekpa didn't do something to get him ejected.
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already switching to the Islanders.. laughable
oh god give me a break boo. Youre better than that
huh? sorry to disappoint. This team, even on good nights, plays unwatchable basketball for the most part..
Im talking about it being laughable 4 minutes into the game
It's not?
A bad four minutes of basketball.
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I hope Obekpa didn't do something to get him ejected.
Matter of time he is dirty
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I hope Obekpa didn't do something to get him ejected.
Matter of time he is dirty
Dom cut that stuff out at least
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Oh boy. Obekpa is a nice person
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Eject him. That is not the first time obekpa has acted like a 2nd grader.
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laughing yet?
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We cant play this game in the half court. Just like xavier they guard the crap out of our poor pick and rolls.
They're actually just playing somewhat of a sagging man. It currently have us off balance.
They hedge our ball screens 10 feet from the 3 point line mj.
Yes, they are, as to push us out and prevent our ball handlers from driving to the basket. But they are also sagging off our players 'til they drive to the lane.
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Not a smart team. Chippy crap. Way To go Chris.
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dumb shit
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The team should have just stayed in Queens
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Good riddance. Can't wait for him to leave school. What fckn idiot
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Nice cheap shot by Chris. This game will get ugly fast.
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I would retire that defense
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This team, coach, and program all pretty much suck... Wake me when it's over. Embarrassing
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We cant play this game in the half court. Just like xavier they guard the crap out of our poor pick and rolls.
They're actually just playing somewhat of a sagging man. It currently have us off balance.
They hedge our ball screens 10 feet from the 3 point line mj.
Yes, they are, as to push us out and prevent our ball handlers from driving to the basket. But they are also sagging off our players 'til they drive to the lane.
Obviously. Why we can't play with them in a half court game.
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No travel fatigue excuses either Coach.
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Not that it matters, but is that big sht head suspended for the next game too?
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Damn! That was tough by Jordan.
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christian jones may get anther oppotunity
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Not that it matters, but is that big sht head suspended for the next game too?
Probably
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Not that it matters, but is that big sht head suspended for the next game too?
Nah, clown. You'd like that, too.
He wasn't ejected for fighting, so he's good to go next game.
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christian jones may get anther oppotunity
And he should, need offense.
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Not that it matters, but is that big sht head suspended for the next game too?
Nah, clown. You'd like that, too.
He wasn't ejected for fighting, so he's good to go next game.
I though it applies to flagrant two fouls. He didnt miss the game after fordham because it was two techs
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That was a dumb #$%^in elbow Chris. Jesus, feel the room.
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Not that it matters, but is that big sht head suspended for the next game too?
Nah, clown. You'd like that, too.
He wasn't ejected for fighting, so he's good to go next game.
Clown?
He's good to go next game, oh Thank God.
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Not that it matters, but is that big sht head suspended for the next game too?
Nah, clown. You'd like that, too.
He wasn't ejected for fighting, so he's good to go next game.
I though it applies to flagrant two fouls. He didnt miss the game after fordham because it was two techs
I still think he's good to go next game. I believe if you receive two flagrant two fouls, then you're disqualified for the following game.
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Not that it matters, but is that big sht head suspended for the next game too?
Nah, clown. You'd like that, too.
He wasn't ejected for fighting, so he's good to go next game.
I though it applies to flagrant two fouls. He didnt miss the game after fordham because it was two techs
Threw an elbow at the guys face for no reason. Bet he gets suspended
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I thought the rule was punch and u miss a game
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Harrison looks happy
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Jordan and Pointer are getting where they wanna go. Gotta consistently finish.
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We're making Butler play a bit faster than we wanna play the past few possessions.
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We're not out of this.
Obkepa is a dummy, but we don't win with Obekpa, we win with our guards. Time for the seniors to step up in the 2nd.
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It looked like Pointer was fouled on that last shot.
Played like crap for half of the first half, and only down by 8. The game is still within striking range for us.
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SIr dom thinking it was providence again at the half? you had 6 seconds. Team has close to zero idea how to play the closing seconds of a half.
With all that said, being down 8 is not bad. Come out the gate strong and we have a game.
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Problem is that this team wears down as the game goes on.. Now they are down an extra guy... Oh yeah, that guy is the key to the defense and the best rebounder on the team.
Butler isn't good, but this is a tall order
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Problem is that this team wears down as the game goes on.. Now they are down an extra guy... Oh yeah, that guy is the key to the defense and the best rebounder on the team.
Butler isn't good, but this is a tall order
Glad your still watching boo ;)
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intermission.....
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Not that it matters, but is that big sht head suspended for the next game too?
It's not soccer so I hope not
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with CO out we really don't lose anything offensively but defensively he provides the size we desperately need.
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We're not out of this.
Obkepa is a dummy, but we don't win with Obekpa, we win with our guards. Time for the seniors to step up in the 2nd.
Down 8 at a top 25 team without our only BE caliber big man. Nothing short of a miracle wins us this game
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Can someone make Jones dribble with his left just one time in second half
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Harrison needs go off in the second half... The way he has been playing of late, that might be too much to ask
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I never thought I'd be saying this but we need Pointer to get the ball more in the 2nd half. He's getting to the rim with ease. Harrison needs to break out of his funk pronto.
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We're not out of this.
Obkepa is a dummy, but we don't win with Obekpa, we win with our guards. Time for the seniors to step up in the 2nd.
Down 8 at a top 25 team without our only BE caliber big man. Nothing short of a miracle wins us this game
15 to 20 point loss most like;y
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Neither a Jordan or a Pointer even look to pass
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Great team our coach put together, nobody taller than 6'6
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Not the start we wanted.
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What an embarrassment
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Good thing Lavin is such a great recruiter or else our program would really be in trouble
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Chris and Zendon Hamiliton working on post moves in hotel lobby.
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What an embarrassment
They are top 25 team we are in the bottom of our conference, not embarrassing.
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You can't just play your five best players, regardless of position. This isn't cyo.
At worst, Pointer needs to be paired with another forward.
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What an embarrassment
They are top 25 team we are in the bottom of our conference, not embarrassing.
I guess that's true. I mean this is still better than the Norm days, right? Right?
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Thug life
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What an embarrassment
They are top 25 team we are in the bottom of our conference, not embarrassing.
Except a month ago we were ranked and they weren't...It's embarrasing on how far we have fallen and continue to fall...
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What an embarrassment
They are top 25 team we are in the bottom of our conference, not embarrassing.
Butler sucks. 1st rpund out
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What an embarrassment
They are top 25 team we are in the bottom of our conference, not embarrassing.
I guess that's true. I mean this is still better than the Norm days, right? Right?
Well we might lose this game by 25 so not that different ;)
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That's the game. 5 point play? It'll be a 20pt lead. That's all she wrote unfortunately.
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WE SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Man this team has gotten dumber in the four years I've watched them play. Usually dont say that about seniors, but thats just how dumb they are
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I'd take Harrison out rest him, no sense playing him rest of the game
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This is more frustrating than the Norm years because we knew the players were no good then. This team just continues to underachieve.
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told ya at the 4 min mark....lol....
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Boo now I'm with you
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I'd take Harrison out rest him, no sense playing him rest of the game
But rest him for what?
4 games ago I would've agreed with you, but with this loss I'm not sure it matters anymore.
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"February"
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So with obekpa gone and jones getting a rebound and a put back he is not even the 2nd guy off the bench in the second half.
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This Butler team is annoying af to play. I can see how the players are getting frustrated. But gotta keep your cool.
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I'd take Harrison out rest him, no sense playing him rest of the game
But rest him for what?
4 games ago I would've agreed with you, but with this loss I'm not sure it matters anymore.
Harrison is playing tonight?
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It really is sad to see the lack of development and chemistry over 4 years. I blame it on coaching and low basketball IQ's.
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I'd take Harrison out rest him, no sense playing him rest of the game
But rest him for what?
4 games ago I would've agreed with you, but with this loss I'm not sure it matters anymore.
Didn't expect them to win this game
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What the heck kind of flop was that?
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Pointer worst flop of the century
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Thug life
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I believe the tech was on 0, he went after Pointer after the play. Although who knows the commentators know nothing.
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I hate to say it but we can really look like a bunch of punks some nights
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So with obekpa gone and jones getting a rebound and a put back he is not even the 2nd guy off the bench in the second half.
I'd give Stewart a shot. Jones stinks
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Sam Sealy
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Let this mess end please Another teaching opportunity on the way to revenge game v Robert Morris in March.
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Surprised Felix isn't shooting the techs
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That was a huge 3 points, missed ft and missed layup
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Felixxxxxxxxxxxx
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Miracle at Hinkle?
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This press is awful.
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harrison was fouled
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I'm tired of getting embarrassed by a lack of game plan. I want Lavin fired. Enough.
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Jones all the way with his right hand, what a surprise
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Dont know about game plan. we are losing because we missed so many easy shots
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game is 8 . just play defense
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Felix carrying us
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A) Why the timeout in that situation? B) Harrison is a senior, should know better than to foul there
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You know you have 4 fouls, let him go. STUPID
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Can we finish this game without enough players?
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This is the 2nd game where it looked like Harrison wanted to foul out
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This game and every other loss ( almost ) this season ties into one main issue - no quality bench and no recruiting last season. good night sally.
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Can we finish this game without enough players?
Why not? We started the game that way
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You know you have 4 fouls, let him go. STUPID
Idk. Every bucket the rest of the way is a dagger. Take a chance on a block.
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This is the 2nd game where it looked like Harrison wanted to foul out
good point
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"Unfinished Business"
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That Butler girl with tank top and ski cap is cute
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"Unfinished Business"
Why not
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That Butler girl with tank top and ski cap is cute
Yes... highlight of the night
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That Butler girl with tank top and ski cap is cute
Yes... highlight of the night
See that grizzly bear next to her Wasju?
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EMBARRASSING!!!!!!!!
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Pick an roll with de la rosa at the 3 point line? Wtf lol
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Probably the worst game I've watched.
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Only team to be down 19 and gets a shot clock violation
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The season started going downhill with the first Butler game and it has just hit rock bottom in the second Butler game
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I'm definitely on the fire Lavin bandwagon now.
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Probably the worst game I've watched.
You've had it lucky. Not even worst of lavin era. But pretty damn bad.
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Wow felix balamou scored....6 points!?!? About the only statement that isn't entirely negative about that game. if Lavin says anything positive after the game he deserves a beheading.
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start the spin doctor Lavin- " this loss allowed us to showcase our talent for 2015-16 with felix and ali "
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Jordan 6-21 from the field. Probably why Harrison couldn't get to the bench fast enough
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Only team to be down 19 and gets a shot clock violation
LOL
Did that actually happen? I had changed the channel.
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Sheed shot 6-21 from the field. But then again he seems to be the only option when you want to go 1 on 4 against a zone defense
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I'm definitely on the fire Lavin bandwagon now.
Welcome aboard, what took you so long.
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Can't wait for the 'We are still headed in the right direction/We are ready to hit our stride' quotes from Lavin tonight
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The season started going downhill with the first Butler game and it has just hit rock bottom in the second Butler game
Sadly, this isn't even close to rock bottom...As this team continues to fall your going to have a bunch of pissed off seniors, a Sophmore who will continue to cause drama, a Junior who will probably stop caring all tougher, and a coach who will look for a CYA exit strategy to give him options....We haven't even seen rock bottom yet, the team is Homer Simpson in middle of falling down Springfield Gorge.
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start the spin doctor Lavin- " this loss allowed us to showcase our talent for 2015-16 with felix and ali "
Except Amar played awful all night.
Balamou and Amar will be our top options next year. Can't wait!
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The season started going downhill with the first Butler game and it has just hit rock bottom in the second Butler game
Sadly, this isn't even close to rock bottom...As this team continues to fall your going to have a bunch of pissed off seniors, a Sophmore who will continue to cause drama, a Junior who will probably stop caring all tougher, and a coach who will look for a CYA exit strategy to give him options....We haven't even seen rock bottom yet, the team is Homer Simpson in middle of falling down Springfield Gorge.
Unfortunately you are probably right
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I've stayed away from these boards while the team has been blowing its season because it has really pissed me off that this group of seniors, who started out with so much promise in their freshmen year, will likely end up as the biggest collective disappointment we've seen here in a long time. They deserved better than this. Whether Lavin is totally to blame or not, I don't care. I just want him gone so we can start over. Oh yeah, this game sucked.
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The season started going downhill with the first Butler game and it has just hit rock bottom in the second Butler game
Sadly, this isn't even close to rock bottom...As this team continues to fall your going to have a bunch of pissed off seniors, a Sophmore who will continue to cause drama, a Junior who will probably stop caring all tougher, and a coach who will look for a CYA exit strategy to give him options....We haven't even seen rock bottom yet, the team is Homer Simpson in middle of falling down Springfield Gorge.
Tremendous post... and likely spot on
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Has anyone seen any post game quotes from Lavin?
I'm curious to see if he starts to show some frustration or remains upbeat and deflects any criticism.
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Has anyone seen any post game quotes from Lavin?
I'm curious to see if he starts to show some frustration or remains upbeat and deflects any criticism.
He usually posts on Twitter his main comments after each game
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In addition to the four straight years w/o a tourney appearance the awful recruiting last year, all the ineligibility issues-I think the worst indictment might be the following:
That he felt he had to suspend his best player and tried to recruit over the top of him.
Had a player openly refuse to renter at least one game and maybe two depending on whatever the heck went on with Jordan against Creighton
The Jordan SHENAGIANS-always wanted to use shenanigans in a post
Throw in the often chippy play and it looks like he has lost control of team.
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@MikeVacc: This is as horrific a performance as St. John's has had in quite a while. Disgraceful. Lavin has to answer for this. #sjubb
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Just can't believe we are not going to make the tournament again. Thought this year was going to be a lock. But I was dumb enough to think we were going to make it last year also.
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In addition to the four straight years w/o a tourney appearance the awful recruiting last year, all the ineligibility issues-I think the worst indictment might be the following:
That he felt he had to suspend his best player and tried to recruit over the top of him.
Had a player openly refuse to renter at least one game and maybe two depending on whatever the heck went on with Jordan against Creighton
The Jordan SHENAGIANS-always wanted to use shenanigans in a post
Throw in the often chippy play and it looks like he has lost control of team.
Tried to recruit over top of him? What do you mean
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May need to start following Women's golf or, God forbid, soccer. Horrible season to date. The scary thing is I think they will continue to play every 2nd game well to tease us, win a couple in the BE and then finish off with a poor effort in the NIT.
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We've been a chippy (or dirty team, depending how you look at it) for 3-4 seasons now. This is nothing new for guys like Obekpa and Pointer.
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Hope Vacarro and company keep up the pressure in the media.
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We lost to a quality team (top 15 RPI) tournament team on the road. The game was over the moment CO got ejected. It was a dumb, ridiculous, and selfish play. They were a better team and we would have have to steal this one with a near perfect game. Let's try not to get too down about it.
We have two wins coming up and I think we win six of the next eight heading into the Nova game. CO is a young kid...he can learn from this. He really hurt his team and cost them any chance at a W on the road.
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Marlliac
Save the lavin talk. ;)
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We lost to a quality team (top 15 RPI) tournament team on the road. The game was over the moment CO got ejected. It was a dumb, ridiculous, and selfish play. They were a better team and we would have have to steal this one with a near perfect game. Let's try not to get too down about it.
We have two wins coming up and I think we win six of the next eight heading into the Nova game. CO is a young kid...he can learn from this. He really hurt his team and cost them any chance at a W on the road.
He's a Junior. If he doesn't know better by now he never will. This wasn't the heat of the battle type thing after a hard foul or anything. He just elbowed a dude in the back of the head for absolutely no reason at all.
Not sure you can count the next two as wins just yet. Nothing is close to a guarantee with this team
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In addition to the four straight years w/o a tourney appearance the awful recruiting last year, all the ineligibility issues-I think the worst indictment might be the following:
That he felt he had to suspend his best player and tried to recruit over the top of him.
Had a player openly refuse to renter at least one game and maybe two depending on whatever the heck went on with Jordan against Creighton
The Jordan SHENAGIANS-always wanted to use shenanigans in a post
Throw in the often chippy play and it looks like he has lost control of team.
Tried to recruit over top of him? What do you mean
I forget who it was but they lost out on someone the year he was suspended and if they got him they were going to tell Harrison to transfer. That was what I was told anyway. I think Dave had heard that too. Dave?
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We lost to a quality team (top 15 RPI) tournament team on the road. The game was over the moment CO got ejected. It was a dumb, ridiculous, and selfish play. They were a better team and we would have have to steal this one with a near perfect game. Let's try not to get too down about it.
We have two wins coming up and I think we win six of the next eight heading into the Nova game. CO is a young kid...he can learn from this. He really hurt his team and cost them any chance at a W on the road.
I agree they are better than us, but at this point isn't that sort of ridiculous? Butler is better than a senior laden team that is Lavin's 5th team. Brings back my argument that we might as well get a solid game coach and embrace being a mid major type.
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We lost to a quality team (top 15 RPI) tournament team on the road. The game was over the moment CO got ejected. It was a dumb, ridiculous, and selfish play. They were a better team and we would have have to steal this one with a near perfect game. Let's try not to get too down about it.
We have two wins coming up and I think we win six of the next eight heading into the Nova game. CO is a young kid...he can learn from this. He really hurt his team and cost them any chance at a W on the road.
I agree they are better than us, but at this point isn't that sort of ridiculous? Butler is better than a senior laden team that is Lavin's 5th team. Brings back my argument that we might as well get a solid game coach and embrace being a mid major type.
I don't think it's ridiculous at all. Butler made two national title games just a few years ago and had a starter from one of those teams start last season. Their seniors came into an environment of guys who have won and know what it takes.
I said before the season Butler would be the most improved team in the country and would be a tournament team. With Jones back, they have four (Jones, Dunham, Barlow, Woods) out of seven guys back from a rotation that came a shot away form the Sweet 16 two years ago. He is the engine that makes them run. They've also added a transfer from Indiana and their three highest ranked recruiting classes in the history of their program the last three years.
They are tough to beat at Hinkle...10-1 this season.
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the issue that has plagued SJU has been there coaching, ever since Louie left there has been major or weird coaching issues. They have been discussed multiple times on this board. I disagree with lets just try to be a mid major team because as Lavin has shown is that quality players will come to SJU...Hell you can argue Norm brought in quality players and if DJ didn't blow out his knee who knows what could of happend.
The key is finding the right coach that fits the school and wants to be here...How the hell did the SJU WBB do it so successfully and they don't even at at MSG!! Except for his first year he has had some kind of coaching issue (I count recruiting as a coaching issues) and he has not been able raise this program above NIT level...Which is an accomplishment and sad...The key is SJU administration engagement and finding a Sid coach to right this ship. I would guess that the SJU President is pretty embarrassed about tonight and ever since he arrived last Summer on all the weird shanigans.
I wanted Lavin to be succesful and wanted his contract extended all the way up to the last couple of weeks....Hopefully he can salvage this season and leave on a high note, or maybe even earn that extension but I honestly just see this season getting worse.
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I missed the game. What happened? I can gather that Oblockpa getting himself booted in the first half of a close one cost us the game. But why weren't 3'lo and Mr. Greenejeans shooting (12 shots combined) while savior was chucking up 21 shots?
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the issue that has plagued SJU has been there coaching, ever since Louie left there has been major or weird coaching issues. They have been discussed multiple times on this board. I disagree with lets just try to be a mid major team because as Lavin has shown is that quality players will come to SJU...Hell you can argue Norm brought in quality players and if DJ didn't blow out his knee who knows what could of happend.
The key is finding the right coach that fits the school and wants to be here...How the hell did the SJU WBB do it so successfully and they don't even at at MSG!! Except for his first year he has had some kind of coaching issue (I count recruiting as a coaching issues) and he has not been able raise this program above NIT level...Which is an accomplishment and sad...The key is SJU administration engagement and finding a Sid coach to right this ship. I would guess that the SJU President is pretty embarrassed about tonight and ever since he arrived last Summer on all the weird shanigans.
I wanted Lavin to be succesful and wanted his contract extended all the way up to the last couple of weeks....Hopefully he can salvage this season and leave on a high note, or maybe even earn that extension but I honestly just see this season getting worse.
There is still one type of coach that St.John's has avoided. I can't understand why, but they not looked for a coach as much as they've looked for what would get them positive media attention. The coach we hire to replace Steve Lavin should a strategist first and a recruiter second.
A coach should have a clear plan for each game, but he should also have a strong understanding of why he teaches a particular type of defense or runs a particular offense. Be it a match up zone or a havoc-like press + man to man, I want the coach to know what he believes in and to recruit for that belief system like Jim Boeheim and Shaka Smart do.
A kid should come here for our coach and that kid should know what type of basketball we play. I still don't know what type of basketball we play now.
Bobby Hurley knows man to man defense. He's my choice to bring some basketball IQ and local
credibility back to St.John's. Get his dad to join us for two or three seasons as an assistant and we're golden.
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If hobby hurleys name was bobby smith, jones or Jackson no one would want him. When we don't have foul trouble we play very good man defense.
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I missed the game. What happened? I can gather that Oblockpa getting himself booted in the first half of a close one cost us the game. But why weren't 3'lo and Mr. Greenejeans shooting (12 shots combined) while savior was chucking up 21 shots?
Wasn't that close when he got throwWe lost to a quality team (top 15 RPI) tournament team on the road. The game was over the moment CO got ejected. It was a dumb, ridiculous, and selfish play. They were a better team and we would have have to steal this one with a near perfect game. Let's try not to get too down about it.
We have two wins coming up and I think we win six of the next eight heading into the Nova game. CO is a young kid...he can learn from this. He really hurt his team and cost them any chance at a W on the road.
I agree they are better than us, but at this point isn't that sort of ridiculous? Butler is better than a senior laden team that is Lavin's 5th team. Brings back my argument that we might as well get a solid game coach and embrace being a mid major type.
I don't think it's ridiculous at all. Butler made two national title games just a few years ago and had a starter from one of those teams start last season. Their seniors came into an environment of guys who have won and know what it takes.
I said before the season Butler would be the most improved team in the country and would be a tournament team. With Jones back, they have four (Jones, Dunham, Barlow, Woods) out of seven guys back from a rotation that came a shot away form the Sweet 16 two years ago. He is the engine that makes them run. They've also added a transfer from Indiana and their three highest ranked recruiting classes in the history of their program the last three years.
They are tough to beat at Hinkle...10-1 this season.
25 points better?
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Butler recap: http://www.bigeastboards.com
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start the spin doctor Lavin- " this loss allowed us to showcase our talent for 2015-16 with felix and ali "
Except Amar played awful all night.
Balamou and Amar will be our top options next year. Can't wait!
What makes you think either will be here :)
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Bobby Hurley knows man to man defense. He's my choice to bring some basketball IQ and local
credibility back to St.John's. Get his dad to join us for two or three seasons as an assistant and we're golden.
(http://www.shallownation.com/images/ricardo_montalban_1947_fantasy_island.jpg)
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I missed the game. What happened? I can gather that Oblockpa getting himself booted in the first half of a close one cost us the game. But why weren't 3'lo and Mr. Greenejeans shooting (12 shots combined) while savior was chucking up 21 shots?
Wasn't that close when he got throw
We were down 6 in the 1st half?
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I was driving around aimlessly and couldn't find the game on the radio. All sorts of games were on AM but not us. Is this possible?
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Congratulations to Deangelo "3'lo" "D'lo" Harrison for passing the 2000 point mark and solidifying your spot in 3rd place on the St. John's University all-time scoring list behind Chris Mullin and Malik Sealy. You will now reside with the immortals for evermore.
Thank You!
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I was driving around aimlessly and couldn't find the game on the radio. All sorts of games were on AM but not us. Is this possible?
DVR?
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I was driving around aimlessly and couldn't find the game on the radio. All sorts of games were on AM but not us. Is this possible?
DVR?
Don't have it. But why weren't we on the radio?
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I was driving around aimlessly and couldn't find the game on the radio. All sorts of games were on AM but not us. Is this possible?
DVR?
Don't have it. But why weren't we on the radio?
I believe we are either on WMCA 570 or 970 A.M.
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970 am, i saw Minko sitting courtside. The game was on the radio.
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970 am, i saw Minko sitting courtside. The game was on the radio.
Mink is a Butler alum....
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FWIW.....My brother also said the Butler game was not on the radio. He tried 970 and 570. Nada.
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FWIW.....My brother also said the Butler game was not on the radio. He tried 970 and 570. Nada.
Same here.
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I was driving around aimlessly and couldn't find the game on the radio. All sorts of games were on AM but not us. Is this possible?
DVR?
Don't have it. But why weren't we on the radio?
You were in the car for the entire 2 hours of the game?
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I was driving around aimlessly and couldn't find the game on the radio. All sorts of games were on AM but not us. Is this possible?
DVR?
Don't have it. But why weren't we on the radio?
You were in the car for the entire 2 hours of the game?
Curtains on windows & a fridge? :)
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I was driving around aimlessly and couldn't find the game on the radio. All sorts of games were on AM but not us. Is this possible?
DVR?
Don't have it. But why weren't we on the radio?
You were in the car for the entire 2 hours of the game?
He wanted to give Avery Patterson some fresh air
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I was driving around aimlessly and couldn't find the game on the radio. All sorts of games were on AM but not us. Is this possible?
DVR?
Don't have it. But why weren't we on the radio?
You were in the car for the entire 2 hours of the game?
No. I made stops at the liquor store, methadone clinic and Wendy's..
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I was driving around aimlessly and couldn't find the game on the radio. All sorts of games were on AM but not us. Is this possible?
DVR?
Don't have it. But why weren't we on the radio?
You were in the car for the entire 2 hours of the game?
No. I made stops at the liquor store, methadone clinic and Wendy's..
"Just a spoonful of chili helps the methadone go down, the methadone go down..."
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I was driving around aimlessly and couldn't find the game on the radio. All sorts of games were on AM but not us. Is this possible?
DVR?
Don't have it. But why weren't we on the radio?
You were in the car for the entire 2 hours of the game?
No. I made stops at the liquor store, methadone clinic and Wendy's..
Wendy's is unhealthy...
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I was driving around aimlessly and couldn't find the game on the radio. All sorts of games were on AM but not us. Is this possible?
DVR?
Don't have it. But why weren't we on the radio?
You were in the car for the entire 2 hours of the game?
No. I made stops at the liquor store, methadone clinic and Wendy's..
What did you buy at the liquor store?
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I was driving around aimlessly and couldn't find the game on the radio. All sorts of games were on AM but not us. Is this possible?
DVR?
Don't have it. But why weren't we on the radio?
You were in the car for the entire 2 hours of the game?
No. I made stops at the liquor store, methadone clinic and Wendy's..
What did you buy at the liquor store?
Thunderbird
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Really, what happened in this game offensively and what did Butler do defensively? Did they take the reins off the Savior and he just ran buck wild? How did he shoot 21 times, and only make six, while Greene and Harrison only shoot 12 shots combined? Mr. Greenejeans was 2 for 3, 67%, from downtown while the rest of the team combined was 1 for 15, 7%. Couldn't he have taken some more three's?
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I've stayed away from these boards while the team has been blowing its season because it has really pissed me off that this group of seniors, who started out with so much promise in their freshmen year, will likely end up as the biggest collective disappointment we've seen here in a long time. They deserved better than this. Whether Lavin is totally to blame or not, I don't care. I just want him gone so we can start over. Oh yeah, this game sucked.
Thing is can you think of anyone else that can be blamed? Just not enough good players for the level of competition. We could still have some fun with a win @ X-men.