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Title: Butler Game 2
Post by: carmineabbatiello on February 01, 2015, 11:44:15 AM
Having Dom D up Dunham is the key.  3'lo could not get it done in the first one.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: simplyred on February 01, 2015, 11:49:05 AM
Having Dom D up Dunham is the key.  3'lo could not get it done in the first one.

Rysheed has th athleticism and length to guard Dunham but he has a tendency to go below the screen instead of fighting to go above it.  As soon as Dunham gets that bit of separation, he will pull the trigger.  We have to disrupt him enough when he tries to use the screen that he can't get a comfortable shot up.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on February 01, 2015, 12:37:56 PM
Having Dom D up Dunham is the key.  3'lo could not get it done in the first one.

I remember dlo guarding Jones. Thats a good matchup for both of them.  Think we need rysheed to guard dunham to start so Dom can help down low on boards. If it doesn't work then you make the switch.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: jumpinjohnny on February 01, 2015, 12:42:54 PM
Dlo is still not healthy so it will be tough for him to follow Dunham around.  He played him great last year.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: prjohnnies on February 01, 2015, 01:10:22 PM
Make Jones a jump shooter. He is very crafty getting to the rim and can finish with both hands.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: redslope on February 01, 2015, 03:14:00 PM
Jordan missing the first game may have cost us the W.  Hopefully he comes to play and is the difference maker--he owes it to the seniors.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Poison on February 01, 2015, 03:35:17 PM
Jordan missing the first game may have cost us the W.  Hopefully he comes to play and is the difference maker--he owes it to the seniors.

There's no may have. He definitely cost us that game. This is why he isn't a pro. If you're a pro, you come to practice ready and you come to games ready.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Moose on February 01, 2015, 04:00:18 PM
Having Dom D up Dunham is the key.  3'lo could not get it done in the first one.

I remember dlo guarding Jones.

+1
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: STJ11Redmen on February 01, 2015, 04:20:07 PM
Having Dom D up Dunham is the key.  3'lo could not get it done in the first one.

I remember dlo guarding Jones.

+1

I know D'Lo was on Dunham  at the end for the dagger when he slipped and Dunham nailed a 3.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: carmineabbatiello on November 14, 2014, 10:57:12 AM
Having Dom D up Dunham is the key.  3'lo could not get it done in the first one.

I remember dlo guarding Jones.

+1

I was a the game.  3'lo was covering Dunham almost the entire game.  I recall Dom and Octagon on him in man 1 time each.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: carmineabbatiello on November 14, 2014, 11:00:40 AM
Savior could be a good option defending Dunham but it's not something a staff can plan or practice for so I didn't even think of it.

I consider Jordan's availability/playing status to be day to day or half to half.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: we are sju on February 01, 2015, 10:39:51 PM
Savior could be a good option defending Dunham but it's not something a staff can plan or practice for so I didn't even think of it.

I consider Jordan's availability/playing status to be day to day or half to half.

Sad but true
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Moose on February 01, 2015, 10:47:51 PM
Having Dom D up Dunham is the key.  3'lo could not get it done in the first one.

I remember dlo guarding Jones.

+1

I was a the game.  3'lo was covering Dunham almost the entire game.  I recall Dom and Octagon on him in man 1 time each.

You should re watch the game
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: prjohnnies on February 01, 2015, 11:10:01 PM
D-Lo is going to have to cover Jones unless Butler goes small, in which case Dom can take him.  Dom and CO will have to cover Woods and the other big.  I'd start Jordan on Dunham because Phil seems to always get bottled up on screens, but perhaps Phil gets the assignment to start the game to keep Jordan out of foul trouble or if Jordan isn't stepping over ball screens.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: carmineabbatiello on February 01, 2015, 11:59:11 PM
Having Dom D up Dunham is the key.  3'lo could not get it done in the first one.

I remember dlo guarding Jones.

+1

I was a the game.  3'lo was covering Dunham almost the entire game.  I recall Dom and Octagon on him in man 1 time each.

You should re watch the game

I was drinking.  I could be confused.

So who did guard him?  Am I also wrong in thinking we played a lot of man that night?
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Chilleb on February 02, 2015, 12:46:13 AM
butler will be a top 25 team coming into this game, should help us
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Wods317 on February 02, 2015, 10:00:42 AM
I think this game will tell us all we need to know about our tournament chances. This is a tough team and a tough place to play but we lose this game and any chance at an at large bid is basically shot. How bad does everyone want this? We will see tomorrow night. I honestly think we are the better team and this is a game we cannot lose.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: paultzman on February 02, 2015, 10:05:32 AM
Smart well coached teams usually win at home. Butler in a close one.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: mkras99 on February 02, 2015, 10:14:35 AM
We lost to DePaul and Creighton on the road.  Butler will have a field day with us.  Double digit loss. 
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Poison on February 02, 2015, 10:19:05 AM
If unfinished business means anything at all, our run started Saturday.

I'll be hopeful, for now.

Johnnies 74, Butler 65
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: QuanMan on February 02, 2015, 11:29:27 AM
Sheed is the difference in the numbers/matchups game. Old Dee returns. Squad jumps back in the national picture and shakes up the BE standings.

Johnnies 77
Butler 73
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Marco Baldi on February 02, 2015, 11:30:49 AM
Box and 1 on Dunham with Pointer
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: redslope on February 02, 2015, 12:12:05 PM
Dunham had a career game against us.  6/7 from three.  hold him to his season 42% and he hits 3/7.  Dom playing with more confidence offensively than early January.  Sheed (hopefully) plays.  We get some minutes from Ali rather than wasting 9 minutes on no effort Jones.  This is a "February" game which Lavin says will show team hitting their stride.  Time to put up or shut up!
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: carmineabbatiello on February 02, 2015, 12:18:50 PM
Hoosiers - 73
Eddie       - 69
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: 0404 on February 02, 2015, 12:19:24 PM
Hinkle Fieldhouse is a relatively small venue. Will Sheed want to participate?  :angel:
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: paultzman on February 02, 2015, 12:23:35 PM
Hinkle Fieldhouse is a relatively small venue. Will Sheed want to participate?  :angel:

He's in Philly thinking about it.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: pmg911 on February 02, 2015, 12:43:20 PM
SJU - 70
Butler- 58
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: jsk on February 02, 2015, 01:51:47 PM
SJU 72
Butler 60
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on February 02, 2015, 02:04:42 PM
Hinkle Fieldhouse is a relatively small venue. Will Sheed want to participate?  :angel:

He's in Philly thinking about it.



Joke? Over my head. We need this game haha
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: paultzman on February 02, 2015, 02:12:47 PM
Hinkle Fieldhouse is a relatively small venue. Will Sheed want to participate?  :angel:

He's in Philly thinking about it.



Joke? Over my head. We need this game haha
:)
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: bball purist on February 02, 2015, 04:28:19 PM
Storm 67, Dogs 66
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: carmineabbatiello on February 02, 2015, 05:02:23 PM
Is it a bad sign that the Superbowl hero's name is "Butler"?
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: bball purist on February 02, 2015, 05:06:36 PM
Is it a bad sign that the Superbowl hero's name is "Butler"?
No. Butler used up all its breaks.. they come up empty as we finally play 2 good games in a row.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Wods317 on February 02, 2015, 05:56:02 PM
SJU 71
Butler 63
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Ron Artesticles on February 02, 2015, 06:18:39 PM
I think we come out and absolutely destroy them.

SJU 74
Butler 59
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Marillac on February 02, 2015, 09:35:39 PM
We would have won the first with Jordan.  Different game at Hinkle...we need to steal this one.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: carmineabbatiello on February 02, 2015, 11:26:44 PM
I hope we flew out early.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Moose on February 03, 2015, 09:17:58 AM
I hope we flew out early.

They are sitting in Queens waiting to fly out this morning.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: we are sju on February 03, 2015, 09:23:50 AM
6 point dog
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: paultzman on February 03, 2015, 09:26:57 AM
I hope we flew out early.

They are sitting in Queens waiting to fly out this morning.
Pickup in Philly first. :)
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: redmen4life on February 03, 2015, 10:29:11 AM
I hope we flew out early.

They are sitting in Queens waiting to fly out this morning.
Pickup in Philly first. :)

Did Sheed's twitter confirm they landed?
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: carmineabbatiello on February 03, 2015, 02:10:02 PM
I hope we flew out early.

They are sitting in Queens waiting to fly out this morning.

That's not good.  I'm not bursting with confidence.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Marco Baldi on February 03, 2015, 02:56:58 PM
Jordan starting tonight ?
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: TONYD3 on February 03, 2015, 03:05:42 PM
Jordan starting tonight ?
It would great if all the players were great kids. Some won't be. I don't care if Jordan starts but we need him to win.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: qcredman on February 03, 2015, 04:41:44 PM
73-72 SJU. Won at the line by Chris Obekpa.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: we are sju on February 03, 2015, 04:53:03 PM
Bad matchup they shoot threes, we don't guard the three.
Butler 83-SJU 68
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: apesNapes on February 03, 2015, 05:20:26 PM
I think we need 7 wins to make the tourney (6 and maybe a chance).  Assuming no great BET run, that requires winning at least one of @butler, @xavier, @gtown, or @nova.  Right now I like our chances best at butler, so this is a pretty important game in my mind.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: boo3 on February 03, 2015, 06:51:30 PM
Jordan starting
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: paultzman on February 03, 2015, 07:00:55 PM
@HowieKussoy: Hinkle Fieldhouse is worth the trip, but crowd could be better. Well short of sell out. Ranked 58 and 59 in attendance past 2 years.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Marco Baldi on February 03, 2015, 07:07:03 PM
Woods' knuckles drag when he runs. Some long arms on that boy
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Marco Baldi on February 03, 2015, 07:09:44 PM
Ugly
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: mjdinkins on February 03, 2015, 07:09:48 PM
A rather crappy start.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Marco Baldi on February 03, 2015, 07:12:12 PM
Harrison is a no show thus far
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: boo3 on February 03, 2015, 07:12:16 PM
already switching to the Islanders..  laughable
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: paultzman on February 03, 2015, 07:13:13 PM
Jones killing it. Throwback player!
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on February 03, 2015, 07:13:44 PM
already switching to the Islanders..  laughable

oh god give me a break boo. Youre better than that
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on February 03, 2015, 07:14:07 PM
We cant play this game in the half court. Just like xavier they guard the crap out of our poor pick and rolls.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: goredmen on February 03, 2015, 07:14:48 PM
Branch needs to come in when the offense struggles like this. Get something going out there
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Marco Baldi on February 03, 2015, 07:15:33 PM
Dopey with 2 fouls
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: mjdinkins on February 03, 2015, 07:15:40 PM
We cant play this game in the half court. Just like xavier they guard the crap out of our poor pick and rolls.

They're actually just playing somewhat of a sagging man.  It currently have us off balance.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on February 03, 2015, 07:17:23 PM
2-12 jesus christ
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: boo3 on February 03, 2015, 07:18:10 PM
already switching to the Islanders..  laughable

oh god give me a break boo. Youre better than that

 huh?   sorry to disappoint.   This team, even on good nights, plays unwatchable basketball for the most part..
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: mjdinkins on February 03, 2015, 07:18:45 PM
Unless, we start hitting some shots from outside or manufacture points from our defense, then we're going to lose this game.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: goredmen on February 03, 2015, 07:18:45 PM
We might not score 30 points tonight
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on February 03, 2015, 07:19:49 PM
We cant play this game in the half court. Just like xavier they guard the crap out of our poor pick and rolls.

They're actually just playing somewhat of a sagging man.  It currently have us off balance.

They hedge our ball screens 10 feet from the 3 point line mj.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: paultzman on February 03, 2015, 07:20:22 PM
These droughts make it tough. Early though.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on February 03, 2015, 07:20:28 PM
already switching to the Islanders..  laughable

oh god give me a break boo. Youre better than that

 huh?   sorry to disappoint.   This team, even on good nights, plays unwatchable basketball for the most part..

Im talking about it being laughable 4 minutes into the game
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: we are sju on February 03, 2015, 07:23:36 PM
They are playing scared of the fat kid
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: TONYD3 on February 03, 2015, 07:23:39 PM
worst 10 min. all year
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Marco Baldi on February 03, 2015, 07:24:06 PM
Woods has 6 rebounds already, Obekpa 1
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: boo3 on February 03, 2015, 07:24:29 PM
already switching to the Islanders..  laughable

oh god give me a break boo. Youre better than that

 huh?   sorry to disappoint.   This team, even on good nights, plays unwatchable basketball for the most part..

Im talking about it being laughable 4 minutes into the game

 It's not?
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: TONYD3 on February 03, 2015, 07:25:18 PM
obekpa to the NBA is comical
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: mjdinkins on February 03, 2015, 07:26:22 PM
Greene has to hit those wide open shots.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: mjdinkins on February 03, 2015, 07:27:01 PM
I hope Obekpa didn't do something to get him ejected.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on February 03, 2015, 07:27:20 PM
already switching to the Islanders..  laughable

oh god give me a break boo. Youre better than that

 huh?   sorry to disappoint.   This team, even on good nights, plays unwatchable basketball for the most part..

Im talking about it being laughable 4 minutes into the game

 It's not?

A bad four minutes of basketball.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: we are sju on February 03, 2015, 07:28:13 PM
I hope Obekpa didn't do something to get him ejected.

Matter of time he is dirty
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: we are sju on February 03, 2015, 07:28:45 PM
I hope Obekpa didn't do something to get him ejected.

Matter of time he is dirty

Dom cut that stuff out at least
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Marco Baldi on February 03, 2015, 07:28:51 PM
Oh boy. Obekpa is a nice person
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on February 03, 2015, 07:29:28 PM
Eject him. That is not the first time obekpa has acted like a 2nd grader.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: boo3 on February 03, 2015, 07:30:01 PM
 laughing yet?
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: mjdinkins on February 03, 2015, 07:30:29 PM
We cant play this game in the half court. Just like xavier they guard the crap out of our poor pick and rolls.

They're actually just playing somewhat of a sagging man.  It currently have us off balance.

They hedge our ball screens 10 feet from the 3 point line mj.

Yes, they are, as to push us out and prevent our ball handlers from driving to the basket.   But they are also sagging off our players 'til they drive to the lane.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: paultzman on February 03, 2015, 07:30:36 PM
Not a smart team. Chippy crap. Way To go Chris.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: TONYD3 on February 03, 2015, 07:30:38 PM
dumb shit
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: goredmen on February 03, 2015, 07:30:47 PM
The team should have just stayed in Queens
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Marco Baldi on February 03, 2015, 07:30:52 PM
Good riddance. Can't wait for him to leave school. What fckn idiot
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Mparty7441 on February 03, 2015, 07:31:45 PM
Nice cheap shot by Chris. This game will get ugly fast.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: we are sju on February 03, 2015, 07:32:56 PM
I would retire that defense
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: boo3 on February 03, 2015, 07:33:27 PM
 This team, coach, and program all pretty much suck...  Wake me when it's over.   Embarrassing
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on February 03, 2015, 07:34:11 PM
We cant play this game in the half court. Just like xavier they guard the crap out of our poor pick and rolls.

They're actually just playing somewhat of a sagging man.  It currently have us off balance.

They hedge our ball screens 10 feet from the 3 point line mj.

Yes, they are, as to push us out and prevent our ball handlers from driving to the basket.   But they are also sagging off our players 'til they drive to the lane.

Obviously. Why we can't play with them in a half court game.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: paultzman on February 03, 2015, 07:34:56 PM
No travel fatigue excuses either Coach.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Marco Baldi on February 03, 2015, 07:38:21 PM
Not that it matters, but is that big sht head  suspended for the next game too?
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: mjdinkins on February 03, 2015, 07:39:37 PM
Damn!  That was tough by Jordan.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: TONYD3 on February 03, 2015, 07:39:47 PM
christian jones may get anther oppotunity
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: we are sju on February 03, 2015, 07:40:42 PM
Not that it matters, but is that big sht head  suspended for the next game too?

Probably
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: mjdinkins on February 03, 2015, 07:40:53 PM
Not that it matters, but is that big sht head  suspended for the next game too?

Nah, clown.  You'd like that, too. 

He wasn't ejected for fighting, so he's good to go next game.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on February 03, 2015, 07:41:01 PM
christian jones may get anther oppotunity

And he should, need offense.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on February 03, 2015, 07:42:06 PM
Not that it matters, but is that big sht head  suspended for the next game too?

Nah, clown.  You'd like that, too. 

He wasn't ejected for fighting, so he's good to go next game.

I though it applies to flagrant two fouls. He didnt miss the game after fordham because it was two techs
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on February 03, 2015, 07:42:57 PM
That was a dumb #$%^in elbow Chris. Jesus, feel the room.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Marco Baldi on February 03, 2015, 07:43:35 PM
Not that it matters, but is that big sht head  suspended for the next game too?

Nah, clown.  You'd like that, too. 

He wasn't ejected for fighting, so he's good to go next game.

Clown?

He's good to go next game, oh Thank God.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: mjdinkins on February 03, 2015, 07:45:08 PM
Not that it matters, but is that big sht head  suspended for the next game too?

Nah, clown.  You'd like that, too. 

He wasn't ejected for fighting, so he's good to go next game.

I though it applies to flagrant two fouls. He didnt miss the game after fordham because it was two techs

I still think he's good to go next game.  I believe if you receive two flagrant two fouls, then you're disqualified for the following game.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: we are sju on February 03, 2015, 07:45:54 PM
Not that it matters, but is that big sht head  suspended for the next game too?

Nah, clown.  You'd like that, too. 

He wasn't ejected for fighting, so he's good to go next game.

I though it applies to flagrant two fouls. He didnt miss the game after fordham because it was two techs

Threw an elbow at the guys face for no reason. Bet he gets suspended
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: TONYD3 on February 03, 2015, 07:46:20 PM
I thought the rule was punch and u miss a game
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Marco Baldi on February 03, 2015, 07:46:27 PM
Harrison looks happy
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: mjdinkins on February 03, 2015, 07:47:18 PM
Jordan and Pointer are getting where they wanna go.  Gotta consistently finish.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: mjdinkins on February 03, 2015, 07:48:44 PM
We're making Butler play a bit faster than we wanna play the past few possessions.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Ron Artesticles on February 03, 2015, 07:51:40 PM
We're not out of this.

Obkepa is a dummy, but we don't win with Obekpa, we win with our guards. Time for the seniors to step up in the 2nd.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: mjdinkins on February 03, 2015, 07:51:57 PM
It looked like Pointer was fouled on that last shot.   

Played like crap for half of the first half, and only down by 8.  The game is still within striking range for us.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on February 03, 2015, 07:52:14 PM
SIr dom thinking it was providence again at the half? you had 6 seconds. Team has close to zero idea how to play the closing seconds of a half.

With all that said, being down 8 is not bad. Come out the gate strong and we have a game.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: boo3 on February 03, 2015, 07:55:27 PM
Problem is that this team wears down as the game goes on.. Now they are down an extra guy... Oh yeah, that guy is the key to the defense and the best rebounder on the team.

Butler isn't good, but this is a tall order
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on February 03, 2015, 07:56:27 PM
Problem is that this team wears down as the game goes on.. Now they are down an extra guy... Oh yeah, that guy is the key to the defense and the best rebounder on the team.

Butler isn't good, but this is a tall order

Glad your still watching boo ;)
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: boo3 on February 03, 2015, 07:59:52 PM
intermission.....
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: NYCoffey on February 03, 2015, 08:00:22 PM
Not that it matters, but is that big sht head  suspended for the next game too?

It's not soccer so I hope not
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: redstorm89 on February 03, 2015, 08:02:25 PM
with CO out we really don't lose anything offensively but defensively he provides the size we desperately need.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: goredmen on February 03, 2015, 08:03:45 PM
We're not out of this.

Obkepa is a dummy, but we don't win with Obekpa, we win with our guards. Time for the seniors to step up in the 2nd.

Down 8 at a top 25 team without our only BE caliber big man. Nothing short of a miracle wins us this game
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: jregina22 on February 03, 2015, 08:05:23 PM
Can someone make Jones dribble with his left just one time in second half
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: boo3 on February 03, 2015, 08:05:30 PM
 Harrison needs go off in the second half... The way he has been playing of late, that might be too much to ask
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Johnny23 on February 03, 2015, 08:06:13 PM
I never thought I'd be saying this but we need Pointer to get the ball more in the 2nd half. He's getting to the rim with ease. Harrison needs to break out of his funk pronto.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: we are sju on February 03, 2015, 08:10:16 PM
We're not out of this.

Obkepa is a dummy, but we don't win with Obekpa, we win with our guards. Time for the seniors to step up in the 2nd.

Down 8 at a top 25 team without our only BE caliber big man. Nothing short of a miracle wins us this game

15 to 20 point loss most like;y
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Marco Baldi on February 03, 2015, 08:10:25 PM
Neither a Jordan or a Pointer even look to pass
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: jregina22 on February 03, 2015, 08:10:54 PM
Great team our coach put together, nobody taller than 6'6
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: mjdinkins on February 03, 2015, 08:11:13 PM
Not the start we wanted.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: goredmen on February 03, 2015, 08:11:34 PM
What an embarrassment
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: jregina22 on February 03, 2015, 08:12:41 PM
Good thing Lavin is such a great recruiter or else our program would really be in trouble
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: paultzman on February 03, 2015, 08:12:47 PM
Chris and Zendon Hamiliton working on post moves in hotel lobby.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: we are sju on February 03, 2015, 08:12:55 PM
What an embarrassment

They are top 25 team we are in the bottom of our conference, not embarrassing.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: desco80 on February 03, 2015, 08:13:23 PM
You can't just play your five best players, regardless of position.  This isn't cyo.
At worst, Pointer needs to be paired with another forward. 
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: goredmen on February 03, 2015, 08:15:17 PM
What an embarrassment

They are top 25 team we are in the bottom of our conference, not embarrassing.

I guess that's true. I mean this is still better than the Norm days, right? Right?
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Marco Baldi on February 03, 2015, 08:15:44 PM
Thug life
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: nudginator59 on February 03, 2015, 08:16:26 PM
What an embarrassment

They are top 25 team we are in the bottom of our conference, not embarrassing.
Except a month ago we were ranked and they weren't...It's embarrasing on how far we have fallen and continue to fall...
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Marco Baldi on February 03, 2015, 08:16:29 PM
What an embarrassment

They are top 25 team we are in the bottom of our conference, not embarrassing.

Butler sucks. 1st rpund out
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: we are sju on February 03, 2015, 08:16:31 PM
What an embarrassment

They are top 25 team we are in the bottom of our conference, not embarrassing.

I guess that's true. I mean this is still better than the Norm days, right? Right?

Well we might lose this game by 25 so not that different ;)
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: desco80 on February 03, 2015, 08:17:25 PM
That's the game.  5 point play? It'll be a 20pt lead.  That's all she wrote unfortunately.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: jregina22 on February 03, 2015, 08:17:35 PM
WE SUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Snazzy on February 03, 2015, 08:18:18 PM
Man this team has gotten dumber in the four years I've watched them play. Usually dont say that about seniors, but thats just how dumb they are
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: we are sju on February 03, 2015, 08:18:29 PM
I'd take Harrison out rest him, no sense playing him rest of the game
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: jregina22 on February 03, 2015, 08:19:47 PM
This is more frustrating than the Norm years because we knew the players were no good then. This team just continues to underachieve.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: boo3 on February 03, 2015, 08:19:47 PM
told ya at the 4 min mark....lol.... 
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on February 03, 2015, 08:21:00 PM
Boo now I'm with you
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: desco80 on February 03, 2015, 08:21:46 PM
I'd take Harrison out rest him, no sense playing him rest of the game

But rest him for what?
4 games ago I would've agreed with you, but  with this loss I'm not sure it matters anymore.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: paultzman on February 03, 2015, 08:23:36 PM
"February"
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on February 03, 2015, 08:24:11 PM
So with obekpa gone and jones getting a rebound and a put back he is not even the 2nd guy off the bench in the second half.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on February 03, 2015, 08:26:31 PM
This Butler team is annoying af to play. I can see how the players are getting frustrated. But gotta keep your cool.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Marco Baldi on February 03, 2015, 08:26:45 PM
I'd take Harrison out rest him, no sense playing him rest of the game

But rest him for what?
4 games ago I would've agreed with you, but  with this loss I'm not sure it matters anymore.


Harrison is playing tonight?
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Johnny23 on February 03, 2015, 08:30:34 PM
It really is sad to see the lack of development and chemistry over 4 years. I blame it on coaching and low basketball IQ's.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: we are sju on February 03, 2015, 08:31:31 PM
I'd take Harrison out rest him, no sense playing him rest of the game

But rest him for what?
4 games ago I would've agreed with you, but  with this loss I'm not sure it matters anymore.


Didn't expect them to win this game
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: goredmen on February 03, 2015, 08:32:49 PM
What the heck kind of flop was that?
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Marco Baldi on February 03, 2015, 08:32:57 PM
Pointer worst flop of the century
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Marco Baldi on February 03, 2015, 08:33:53 PM
Thug life
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on February 03, 2015, 08:34:44 PM
I believe the tech was on 0, he went after Pointer after the play. Although who knows the commentators know nothing.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: jregina22 on February 03, 2015, 08:34:56 PM
I hate to say it but we can really look like a bunch of punks some nights
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: we are sju on February 03, 2015, 08:35:08 PM
So with obekpa gone and jones getting a rebound and a put back he is not even the 2nd guy off the bench in the second half.

I'd give Stewart a shot. Jones stinks
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Marco Baldi on February 03, 2015, 08:36:04 PM
Sam Sealy
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: paultzman on February 03, 2015, 08:36:28 PM
Let this mess end please Another teaching opportunity on the way to revenge game v Robert Morris in March.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Marco Baldi on February 03, 2015, 08:39:07 PM
Surprised Felix isn't shooting the techs
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: we are sju on February 03, 2015, 08:40:42 PM
That was a huge 3 points, missed ft and missed layup
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Marco Baldi on February 03, 2015, 08:41:26 PM
Felixxxxxxxxxxxx
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: boo3 on February 03, 2015, 08:45:37 PM
Miracle at Hinkle?
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on February 03, 2015, 08:46:17 PM
This press is awful.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: TONYD3 on February 03, 2015, 08:46:24 PM
harrison was fouled
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: P1NSTR1PEZ on February 03, 2015, 08:46:31 PM
I'm tired of getting embarrassed by a lack of game plan. I want Lavin fired. Enough.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: jregina22 on February 03, 2015, 08:48:18 PM
Jones all the way with his right hand, what a surprise
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: TONYD3 on February 03, 2015, 08:49:26 PM
Dont know about game plan. we are losing because we missed so many easy shots
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: TONYD3 on February 03, 2015, 08:50:07 PM
game is 8 . just play defense
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Marco Baldi on February 03, 2015, 08:50:34 PM
Felix carrying us
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: goredmen on February 03, 2015, 08:54:21 PM
A) Why the timeout in that situation? B) Harrison is a senior, should know better than to foul there
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: jregina22 on February 03, 2015, 08:54:47 PM
You know you have 4 fouls, let him go. STUPID
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: nudginator59 on February 03, 2015, 08:54:52 PM
Can we finish this game without enough players?
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Marco Baldi on February 03, 2015, 08:55:21 PM
This is the 2nd game where it looked like Harrison wanted to foul out
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: valgoth on February 03, 2015, 08:55:56 PM
This game and every other loss ( almost ) this season ties into one main issue - no quality bench and no recruiting last season. good night sally.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Marco Baldi on February 03, 2015, 08:56:04 PM
Can we finish this game without enough players?

Why not? We started the game that way
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on February 03, 2015, 08:56:18 PM
You know you have 4 fouls, let him go. STUPID

Idk. Every bucket the rest of the way is a dagger. Take a chance on a block.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: TONYD3 on February 03, 2015, 08:56:25 PM
This is the 2nd game where it looked like Harrison wanted to foul out
good point
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: paultzman on February 03, 2015, 08:59:47 PM
"Unfinished Business" 
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: we are sju on February 03, 2015, 09:00:26 PM
That Butler girl with tank top and ski cap is cute
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Marco Baldi on February 03, 2015, 09:00:32 PM
"Unfinished Business" 

Why not
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: boo3 on February 03, 2015, 09:02:27 PM
That Butler girl with tank top and ski cap is cute

 Yes... highlight of the night
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Marco Baldi on February 03, 2015, 09:03:03 PM
That Butler girl with tank top and ski cap is cute

 Yes... highlight of the night

See that grizzly bear next to her Wasju?
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: jregina22 on February 03, 2015, 09:05:13 PM
EMBARRASSING!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Marco Baldi on February 03, 2015, 09:06:02 PM
Pick an roll with de la rosa at the 3 point line? Wtf lol
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: HowCouldUBeSoHarkless on February 03, 2015, 09:07:03 PM
Probably the worst game I've watched.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Marco Baldi on February 03, 2015, 09:07:22 PM
Only team to be down 19 and gets a shot clock violation
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: goredmen on February 03, 2015, 09:07:51 PM
The season started going downhill with the first Butler game and it has just hit rock bottom in the second Butler game
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Mparty7441 on February 03, 2015, 09:12:17 PM
I'm definitely on the fire Lavin bandwagon now. 
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on February 03, 2015, 09:13:21 PM
Probably the worst game I've watched.

You've had it lucky. Not even worst of lavin era. But pretty damn bad.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Snazzy on February 03, 2015, 09:13:40 PM
Wow felix balamou scored....6 points!?!? About the only statement that isn't entirely negative about that game. if Lavin says anything positive after the game he deserves a beheading.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: valgoth on February 03, 2015, 09:15:07 PM
start the spin doctor Lavin- " this loss allowed us to showcase our talent for 2015-16 with felix and ali "
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Marco Baldi on February 03, 2015, 09:15:10 PM
Jordan 6-21 from the field. Probably why Harrison couldn't get to the bench fast enough
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: mjdinkins on February 03, 2015, 09:16:03 PM
Only team to be down 19 and gets a shot clock violation

LOL

Did that actually happen?  I had changed the channel.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Snazzy on February 03, 2015, 09:16:47 PM
Sheed shot 6-21 from the field. But then again he seems to be the only option when you want to go 1 on 4 against a zone defense
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: jregina22 on February 03, 2015, 09:17:13 PM
I'm definitely on the fire Lavin bandwagon now. 

Welcome aboard, what took you so long.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: goredmen on February 03, 2015, 09:17:17 PM
Can't wait for the 'We are still headed in the right direction/We are ready to hit our stride' quotes from Lavin tonight
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: nudginator59 on February 03, 2015, 09:17:34 PM
The season started going downhill with the first Butler game and it has just hit rock bottom in the second Butler game

Sadly, this isn't even close to rock bottom...As this team continues to fall your going to have a bunch of pissed off seniors, a Sophmore who will continue to cause drama, a Junior who will probably stop caring all tougher, and a coach who will look for a CYA exit strategy to give him options....We haven't even seen rock bottom yet, the team is Homer Simpson in middle of falling down Springfield Gorge.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Snazzy on February 03, 2015, 09:18:12 PM
start the spin doctor Lavin- " this loss allowed us to showcase our talent for 2015-16 with felix and ali "

Except Amar played awful all night.
Balamou and Amar will be our top options next year. Can't wait!
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: goredmen on February 03, 2015, 09:19:28 PM
The season started going downhill with the first Butler game and it has just hit rock bottom in the second Butler game

Sadly, this isn't even close to rock bottom...As this team continues to fall your going to have a bunch of pissed off seniors, a Sophmore who will continue to cause drama, a Junior who will probably stop caring all tougher, and a coach who will look for a CYA exit strategy to give him options....We haven't even seen rock bottom yet, the team is Homer Simpson in middle of falling down Springfield Gorge.

Unfortunately you are probably right
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: DFF6 on February 03, 2015, 09:44:43 PM
I've stayed away from these boards while the team has been blowing its season because it has really pissed me off that this group of seniors, who started out with so much promise in their freshmen year, will likely end up as the biggest collective disappointment we've seen here in a long time.  They deserved better than this.  Whether Lavin is totally to blame or not, I don't care. I just want him gone so we can start over. Oh yeah, this game sucked. 
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: boo3 on February 03, 2015, 09:56:00 PM
The season started going downhill with the first Butler game and it has just hit rock bottom in the second Butler game

Sadly, this isn't even close to rock bottom...As this team continues to fall your going to have a bunch of pissed off seniors, a Sophmore who will continue to cause drama, a Junior who will probably stop caring all tougher, and a coach who will look for a CYA exit strategy to give him options....We haven't even seen rock bottom yet, the team is Homer Simpson in middle of falling down Springfield Gorge.

 Tremendous post... and likely spot on
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: desco80 on February 03, 2015, 09:57:55 PM
Has anyone seen any post game quotes from Lavin?
I'm curious to see if he starts to show some frustration or remains upbeat and deflects any criticism.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: goredmen on February 03, 2015, 10:03:55 PM
Has anyone seen any post game quotes from Lavin?
I'm curious to see if he starts to show some frustration or remains upbeat and deflects any criticism.

He usually posts on Twitter his main comments after each game
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: we are sju on February 03, 2015, 10:10:30 PM
In addition to the four straight years w/o a tourney appearance the awful recruiting last year, all the ineligibility issues-I think the worst indictment might be the following:
That he felt he had to suspend his best player and tried to recruit over the top of him.
Had a player openly refuse to renter at least one game and maybe two depending on whatever the heck went on with Jordan against Creighton
The Jordan SHENAGIANS-always wanted to use shenanigans in a post
Throw in the often chippy play and it looks like he has lost control of team.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: paultzman on February 03, 2015, 10:12:48 PM
@MikeVacc: This is as horrific a performance as St. John's has had in quite a while.  Disgraceful.   Lavin has to answer for this.  #sjubb
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: jregina22 on February 03, 2015, 10:14:51 PM
Just can't believe we are not going to make the tournament again. Thought this year was going to be a lock. But I was dumb enough to think we were going to make it last year also.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Amaseinyourface2 on February 03, 2015, 10:15:39 PM
In addition to the four straight years w/o a tourney appearance the awful recruiting last year, all the ineligibility issues-I think the worst indictment might be the following:
That he felt he had to suspend his best player and tried to recruit over the top of him.
Had a player openly refuse to renter at least one game and maybe two depending on whatever the heck went on with Jordan against Creighton
The Jordan SHENAGIANS-always wanted to use shenanigans in a post
Throw in the often chippy play and it looks like he has lost control of team.

Tried to recruit over top of him? What do you mean
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: cjfish on February 03, 2015, 10:22:29 PM
May need to start following Women's golf or, God forbid, soccer.  Horrible season to date.  The scary thing is I think they will continue to play every 2nd game well to tease us, win a couple in the BE and then finish off with a poor effort in the NIT.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: desco80 on February 03, 2015, 10:34:40 PM
We've been a chippy (or dirty team, depending how you look at it) for 3-4 seasons now.  This is nothing new for guys like Obekpa and Pointer. 
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: prjohnnies on February 03, 2015, 10:36:31 PM
Hope Vacarro and company keep up the pressure in the media.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Marillac on February 03, 2015, 10:44:53 PM
We lost to a quality team (top 15 RPI) tournament team on the road.  The game was over the moment CO got ejected.  It was a dumb, ridiculous, and selfish play.  They were a better team and we would have have to steal this one with a near perfect game.  Let's try not to get too down about it. 

We have two wins coming up and I think we win six of the next eight heading into the Nova game.  CO is a young kid...he can learn from this.  He really hurt his team and cost them any chance at a W on the road. 

Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: buckeyestorm on February 03, 2015, 10:49:30 PM
Marlliac
Save the lavin talk. ;)
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: goredmen on February 03, 2015, 10:52:32 PM
We lost to a quality team (top 15 RPI) tournament team on the road.  The game was over the moment CO got ejected.  It was a dumb, ridiculous, and selfish play.  They were a better team and we would have have to steal this one with a near perfect game.  Let's try not to get too down about it. 

We have two wins coming up and I think we win six of the next eight heading into the Nova game.  CO is a young kid...he can learn from this.  He really hurt his team and cost them any chance at a W on the road. 



He's a Junior. If he doesn't know better by now he never will. This wasn't the heat of the battle type thing after a hard foul or anything. He just elbowed a dude in the back of the head for absolutely no reason at all.

Not sure you can count the next two as wins just yet. Nothing is close to a guarantee with this team
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: we are sju on February 03, 2015, 11:10:08 PM
In addition to the four straight years w/o a tourney appearance the awful recruiting last year, all the ineligibility issues-I think the worst indictment might be the following:
That he felt he had to suspend his best player and tried to recruit over the top of him.
Had a player openly refuse to renter at least one game and maybe two depending on whatever the heck went on with Jordan against Creighton
The Jordan SHENAGIANS-always wanted to use shenanigans in a post
Throw in the often chippy play and it looks like he has lost control of team.

Tried to recruit over top of him? What do you mean

I forget who it was but they lost out on someone the year he was suspended and if they got him they were going to tell Harrison to transfer. That was what I was told anyway. I think Dave had heard that too. Dave?
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: we are sju on February 03, 2015, 11:12:26 PM
We lost to a quality team (top 15 RPI) tournament team on the road.  The game was over the moment CO got ejected.  It was a dumb, ridiculous, and selfish play.  They were a better team and we would have have to steal this one with a near perfect game.  Let's try not to get too down about it. 

We have two wins coming up and I think we win six of the next eight heading into the Nova game.  CO is a young kid...he can learn from this.  He really hurt his team and cost them any chance at a W on the road. 



I agree they are better than us, but at this point isn't that sort of  ridiculous? Butler is better than a senior laden team that is Lavin's 5th team. Brings back my argument that we might as well get a solid game coach and embrace being a mid major type.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Marillac on February 03, 2015, 11:28:53 PM
We lost to a quality team (top 15 RPI) tournament team on the road.  The game was over the moment CO got ejected.  It was a dumb, ridiculous, and selfish play.  They were a better team and we would have have to steal this one with a near perfect game.  Let's try not to get too down about it. 

We have two wins coming up and I think we win six of the next eight heading into the Nova game.  CO is a young kid...he can learn from this.  He really hurt his team and cost them any chance at a W on the road. 



I agree they are better than us, but at this point isn't that sort of  ridiculous? Butler is better than a senior laden team that is Lavin's 5th team. Brings back my argument that we might as well get a solid game coach and embrace being a mid major type.

I don't think it's ridiculous at all.  Butler made two national title games just a few years ago and had a starter from one of those teams start last season.  Their seniors came into an environment of guys who have won and know what it takes.

I said before the season Butler would be the most improved team in the country and would be a tournament team.  With Jones back, they have four (Jones, Dunham, Barlow, Woods) out of seven guys back from a rotation that came a shot away form the Sweet 16 two years ago.  He is the engine that makes them run.  They've also added a transfer from Indiana and their three highest ranked recruiting classes in the history of their program the last three years. 

They are tough to beat at Hinkle...10-1 this season.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: nudginator59 on February 03, 2015, 11:31:15 PM
the issue that has plagued SJU has been there coaching, ever since Louie left there has been major or weird coaching issues. They have been discussed multiple times on this board. I disagree with lets just try to be a mid major team because as Lavin has shown is that quality players will come to SJU...Hell you can argue Norm brought in quality players and if DJ didn't blow out his knee who knows what could of happend.

The key is finding the right coach that fits the school and wants to be here...How the hell did the SJU WBB do it so successfully and they don't even at at MSG!! Except for his first year he has had some kind of coaching issue (I count recruiting as a coaching issues) and he has not been able raise this program above NIT level...Which is an accomplishment and sad...The key is SJU administration engagement and finding a Sid coach to right this ship. I would guess that the SJU President is pretty embarrassed about tonight and ever since he arrived last Summer on all the weird shanigans.

I wanted Lavin to be succesful and wanted his contract extended all the way up to the last couple of weeks....Hopefully he can salvage this season and leave on a high note, or maybe even earn that extension but I honestly just see this season getting worse.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: carmineabbatiello on February 04, 2015, 01:30:41 AM
I missed the game.  What happened?  I can gather that Oblockpa getting himself booted in the first half of a close one cost us the game.  But why weren't 3'lo and Mr. Greenejeans shooting  (12 shots combined) while savior was chucking up 21 shots?
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Poison on February 04, 2015, 01:45:33 AM
the issue that has plagued SJU has been there coaching, ever since Louie left there has been major or weird coaching issues. They have been discussed multiple times on this board. I disagree with lets just try to be a mid major team because as Lavin has shown is that quality players will come to SJU...Hell you can argue Norm brought in quality players and if DJ didn't blow out his knee who knows what could of happend.

The key is finding the right coach that fits the school and wants to be here...How the hell did the SJU WBB do it so successfully and they don't even at at MSG!! Except for his first year he has had some kind of coaching issue (I count recruiting as a coaching issues) and he has not been able raise this program above NIT level...Which is an accomplishment and sad...The key is SJU administration engagement and finding a Sid coach to right this ship. I would guess that the SJU President is pretty embarrassed about tonight and ever since he arrived last Summer on all the weird shanigans.

I wanted Lavin to be succesful and wanted his contract extended all the way up to the last couple of weeks....Hopefully he can salvage this season and leave on a high note, or maybe even earn that extension but I honestly just see this season getting worse.

There is still one type of coach that St.John's has avoided. I can't understand why, but they not looked for a coach as much as they've looked for what would get them positive media attention. The coach we hire to replace Steve Lavin should a strategist first and a recruiter second.

A coach should have a clear plan for each game, but he should also have a strong understanding of why he teaches a particular type of defense or runs a particular offense. Be it a match up zone or a havoc-like press + man to man, I want the coach to know what he believes in and to recruit for that belief system like Jim Boeheim and Shaka Smart do.

A kid should come here for our coach and that kid should know what type of basketball we play. I still don't know what type of basketball we play now.

Bobby Hurley knows man to man defense. He's my choice to bring some basketball IQ and local
credibility back to St.John's. Get his dad to join us for two or three seasons as an assistant and we're golden.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: TONYD3 on February 04, 2015, 09:01:36 AM
If hobby hurleys name was bobby smith, jones or Jackson no one would want him. When we don't have foul trouble we play very good man defense.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: we are sju on February 04, 2015, 09:39:29 AM
I missed the game.  What happened?  I can gather that Oblockpa getting himself booted in the first half of a close one cost us the game.  But why weren't 3'lo and Mr. Greenejeans shooting  (12 shots combined) while savior was chucking up 21 shots?


Wasn't that close when he got throw
We lost to a quality team (top 15 RPI) tournament team on the road.  The game was over the moment CO got ejected.  It was a dumb, ridiculous, and selfish play.  They were a better team and we would have have to steal this one with a near perfect game.  Let's try not to get too down about it. 

We have two wins coming up and I think we win six of the next eight heading into the Nova game.  CO is a young kid...he can learn from this.  He really hurt his team and cost them any chance at a W on the road. 



I agree they are better than us, but at this point isn't that sort of  ridiculous? Butler is better than a senior laden team that is Lavin's 5th team. Brings back my argument that we might as well get a solid game coach and embrace being a mid major type.

I don't think it's ridiculous at all.  Butler made two national title games just a few years ago and had a starter from one of those teams start last season.  Their seniors came into an environment of guys who have won and know what it takes.

I said before the season Butler would be the most improved team in the country and would be a tournament team.  With Jones back, they have four (Jones, Dunham, Barlow, Woods) out of seven guys back from a rotation that came a shot away form the Sweet 16 two years ago.  He is the engine that makes them run.  They've also added a transfer from Indiana and their three highest ranked recruiting classes in the history of their program the last three years. 

They are tough to beat at Hinkle...10-1 this season.


25 points better?
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Foad on February 04, 2015, 09:40:54 AM
Butler recap: http://www.bigeastboards.com
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Moose on February 04, 2015, 10:46:22 AM
start the spin doctor Lavin- " this loss allowed us to showcase our talent for 2015-16 with felix and ali "

Except Amar played awful all night.
Balamou and Amar will be our top options next year. Can't wait!

What makes you think either will be here :)
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: mjdinkins on February 04, 2015, 12:41:25 PM
Bobby Hurley knows man to man defense. He's my choice to bring some basketball IQ and local
credibility back to St.John's. Get his dad to join us for two or three seasons as an assistant and we're golden.

(http://www.shallownation.com/images/ricardo_montalban_1947_fantasy_island.jpg)
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: carmineabbatiello on February 04, 2015, 01:07:10 PM
I missed the game.  What happened?  I can gather that Oblockpa getting himself booted in the first half of a close one cost us the game.  But why weren't 3'lo and Mr. Greenejeans shooting  (12 shots combined) while savior was chucking up 21 shots?


Wasn't that close when he got throw

We were down 6 in the 1st half?
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: carmineabbatiello on February 04, 2015, 01:17:55 PM
I was driving around aimlessly and couldn't find the game on the radio.  All sorts of games were on AM but not us.  Is this possible?
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: carmineabbatiello on February 04, 2015, 01:22:03 PM
Congratulations to Deangelo "3'lo" "D'lo" Harrison for passing the 2000 point mark and solidifying your spot in 3rd place on the St. John's University all-time scoring list behind Chris Mullin and Malik Sealy.  You will now reside with the immortals for evermore.

Thank You!
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Moose on February 04, 2015, 01:48:29 PM
I was driving around aimlessly and couldn't find the game on the radio.  All sorts of games were on AM but not us.  Is this possible?

DVR?
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: carmineabbatiello on February 05, 2015, 12:27:54 AM
I was driving around aimlessly and couldn't find the game on the radio.  All sorts of games were on AM but not us.  Is this possible?

DVR?

Don't have it. But why weren't we on the radio?
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: derk on February 05, 2015, 09:01:42 AM
I was driving around aimlessly and couldn't find the game on the radio.  All sorts of games were on AM but not us.  Is this possible?

DVR?

Don't have it. But why weren't we on the radio?

I believe we are either on WMCA 570 or 970 A.M.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: CC on February 05, 2015, 10:58:08 AM
970 am, i saw Minko sitting courtside. The game was on the radio.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: boo3 on February 05, 2015, 03:20:45 PM
970 am, i saw Minko sitting courtside. The game was on the radio.

  Mink is a Butler alum....
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Mparty7441 on February 05, 2015, 03:25:54 PM
FWIW.....My brother also said the Butler game was not on the radio. He tried 970 and 570. Nada.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: carmineabbatiello on February 05, 2015, 11:43:09 PM
FWIW.....My brother also said the Butler game was not on the radio. He tried 970 and 570. Nada.

Same here.
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Moose on February 06, 2015, 12:37:48 PM
I was driving around aimlessly and couldn't find the game on the radio.  All sorts of games were on AM but not us.  Is this possible?

DVR?

Don't have it. But why weren't we on the radio?

You were in the car for the entire 2 hours of the game?
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: paultzman on February 06, 2015, 12:40:58 PM
I was driving around aimlessly and couldn't find the game on the radio.  All sorts of games were on AM but not us.  Is this possible?

DVR?

Don't have it. But why weren't we on the radio?

You were in the car for the entire 2 hours of the game?
Curtains on windows & a fridge? :)
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: we are sju on February 06, 2015, 03:16:49 PM
I was driving around aimlessly and couldn't find the game on the radio.  All sorts of games were on AM but not us.  Is this possible?

DVR?

Don't have it. But why weren't we on the radio?

You were in the car for the entire 2 hours of the game?

He wanted to give Avery Patterson some fresh air
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: carmineabbatiello on February 06, 2015, 04:27:37 PM
I was driving around aimlessly and couldn't find the game on the radio.  All sorts of games were on AM but not us.  Is this possible?

DVR?

Don't have it. But why weren't we on the radio?

You were in the car for the entire 2 hours of the game?

No.  I made stops at the liquor store, methadone clinic and Wendy's..
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: bball purist on February 06, 2015, 05:28:20 PM
I was driving around aimlessly and couldn't find the game on the radio.  All sorts of games were on AM but not us.  Is this possible?

DVR?

Don't have it. But why weren't we on the radio?

You were in the car for the entire 2 hours of the game?

No.  I made stops at the liquor store, methadone clinic and Wendy's..
"Just a spoonful of chili helps the methadone go down, the methadone go down..."
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: LoganK on February 06, 2015, 05:29:13 PM
I was driving around aimlessly and couldn't find the game on the radio.  All sorts of games were on AM but not us.  Is this possible?

DVR?

Don't have it. But why weren't we on the radio?

You were in the car for the entire 2 hours of the game?

No.  I made stops at the liquor store, methadone clinic and Wendy's..

Wendy's is unhealthy...
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: Moose on February 06, 2015, 08:26:00 PM
I was driving around aimlessly and couldn't find the game on the radio.  All sorts of games were on AM but not us.  Is this possible?

DVR?

Don't have it. But why weren't we on the radio?

You were in the car for the entire 2 hours of the game?

No.  I made stops at the liquor store, methadone clinic and Wendy's..

What did you buy at the liquor store?
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: carmineabbatiello on February 06, 2015, 11:59:07 PM
I was driving around aimlessly and couldn't find the game on the radio.  All sorts of games were on AM but not us.  Is this possible?

DVR?

Don't have it. But why weren't we on the radio?

You were in the car for the entire 2 hours of the game?

No.  I made stops at the liquor store, methadone clinic and Wendy's..

What did you buy at the liquor store?

Thunderbird
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: carmineabbatiello on February 07, 2015, 12:09:57 AM
Really, what happened in this game offensively and what did Butler do defensively?  Did they take the reins off the Savior and he just ran buck wild?  How did he shoot 21 times, and only make six,  while Greene and Harrison only shoot 12 shots combined?  Mr. Greenejeans was 2 for 3, 67%, from downtown while the rest of the team combined was 1 for 15, 7%.  Couldn't he have taken some more three's?
Title: Re: Butler Game 2
Post by: jr49 on February 09, 2015, 02:08:05 PM
I've stayed away from these boards while the team has been blowing its season because it has really pissed me off that this group of seniors, who started out with so much promise in their freshmen year, will likely end up as the biggest collective disappointment we've seen here in a long time.  They deserved better than this.  Whether Lavin is totally to blame or not, I don't care. I just want him gone so we can start over. Oh yeah, this game sucked. 
Thing is can you think of anyone else that can be blamed? Just not enough good players for the level of competition.  We could still have some fun with a win @ X-men.