6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: Wods317 on February 05, 2015, 10:34:36 AM
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Not much to say here but wanted to get it started because game is only 2 days away. Must win in every sense of the word, even if not for out fading ncaa chances then just win for some pride. No open 3s! This time around we take it but I don't have much faith in saying it.
SJU 66
Creighton 62
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We win by 20, people jump back on the bus
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Close win by Johnnies. Felix is rewarded for last game & plays 10 minutes. If not David Lipscomb. :)
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Toby all day and night.
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Close win by Johnnies. Felix is rewarded for last game & plays 10 minutes. If not David Lipscomb. :)
Might start at Center
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Close win by Johnnies. Felix is rewarded for last game & plays 10 minutes. If not David Lipscomb. :)
Might start at Center
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Toby all day and night.
I believe he scored a total of two points since torching us. Only SJU can create heros overnight. :)
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Toby all day and night.
I believe he scored a total of two points since torching us. Only SJU can create heros overnight. :)
Obepka locked him up
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Toby all day and night.
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I believe he scored a total of two points since torching us. Only SJU can create heros overnight. :)
Obepka locked him up
locked him up or knocked him out ?
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Creighton hits 33 3 pointers and wins, 99-67
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Toby all day and night.
I believe he scored a total of two points since torching us. Only SJU can create heros overnight. :)
Obepka locked him up
Yeah but this time CO may be locked up.
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Huskers - 62
Buskers - 74
Then we beat Depaul to be 5 and 6. Thereby removing this season from the respirator.
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Toby all day and night.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UVfW_yOn03g/UVHySIUJwWI/AAAAAAAAMI0/RojaeNcDsEE/s320/stick+to+beat.gif)
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Toby all day and night.
They just won, so they're warmed up to give us a fight. But I see a 4 point victory, 76-72
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http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/020715aaa.html
Obekpa not starting & apologized.
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Not surprising. My observations over the years indicate that The SJU priests put running a clean program, in every aspect, above all else. Witness the Pitt scandal, Dlo suspension, Jordan Suspensions etc. Lavin is not going anywhere because he adheres to this point of view and the priests love it. Winning is definitely secondary to them. If all schools thought like this college sports would be changed for the better. Most schools given the Pitt scandal would have said things like, we are following the events closely, there is no solid proof yet or convictions etc....not decimate the team as SJU did.
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St.John's 74, Creighton 60
Obekpa comes off the bench to score 13 points and block 5 shots. Harrison starts to find his form after a few days off (Hopefully) and scores 20 points.
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Not surprising. My observations over the years indicate that The SJU priests put running a clean program, in every aspect, above all else. Witness the Pitt scandal, Dlo suspension, Jordan Suspensions etc. Lavin is not going anywhere because he adheres to this point of view and the priests love it. Winning is definitely secondary to them. If all schools thought like this college sports would be changed for the better. Most schools given the Pitt scandal would have said things like, we are following the events closely, there is no solid proof yet or convictions etc....not decimate the team as SJU did.
I support a priest who feels that way, but under one condition: he has got to be an honest moral example himself. Our last priest wasn't. So who was he to make rules for others to follow?
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Not surprising. My observations over the years indicate that The SJU priests put running a clean program, in every aspect, above all else. Witness the Pitt scandal, Dlo suspension, Jordan Suspensions etc. Lavin is not going anywhere because he adheres to this point of view and the priests love it. Winning is definitely secondary to them. If all schools thought like this college sports would be changed for the better. Most schools given the Pitt scandal would have said things like, we are following the events closely, there is no solid proof yet or convictions etc....not decimate the team as SJU did.
Immediate decimation of the team was a good thing (including throwing a player out on the street-guess he wasn't putting out)? Who says priests get to make the decision?
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Best ball movement we've had in the Lavin era...
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Should be up by more the way we are shooting
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Best ball movement we've had in the Lavin era...
That was a great stretch.
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Close win by Johnnies. Felix is rewarded for last game & plays 10 minutes. If not David Lipscomb. :)
Might start at Center
We are Nostradamus
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Who are these guys in red??!
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Looks like Sheed wants to go pro now. Never seen him shoot this well
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Was that Ben Wallace?
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Where the hell has this been?
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Can we just keep this intensity going the rest of the year?
Thanks in advance.
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First, I love the dom fro look. Why'd it take close to four years? Thats the classic undersized big man hair do. Glad to see him embrace it.
Second, when sheed plays the way he just did he is the best talent in the BE. Problem is it doesnt happen often.
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It's only Creighton, but I think we need to go small moving forward
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It's only Creighton, but I think we need to go small moving forward
Good teams would kill us, but against some teams would work
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They're playing well against Creighton. The intensity is there which is much needed, but its not like this is a quality team. We need to keep this intensity the rest of the year, but saying this team shouldnt beat Creighton easily isn't true.
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Wow! What luck do we have?
Obekpa comes in and immediately injures his ankle.
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Wow! What luck do we have?
Obekpa comes in and immediately injures his ankle.
Wait...are you saying thats bad luck or good luck? Could argue it either way. LOL
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Wow! What luck do we have?
Obekpa comes in and immediately injures his ankle.
There was no reason to put him in
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Jordan is down now. Sheesh!
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Nothing can ever go right for us.
We're cursed, doomed, etc.
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Get de la rosa in there if they want to play physical like that
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Carmine:Greene::0404:Pointer
Love that kid.
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How's the crowd? Stuck at work today.
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Pointer swatting shots left and right.
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Nice tap out by Pointer. Another block by Pointer, too.
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Nice tap out by Pointer. Another block by Pointer, too.
5 blocks
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Time to get Harrison out of there
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Who are the students chanting for?
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how do you go from a 3point loss to an 18 point win? a team of multiple personalities??
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how do you go from a 3point loss to an 18 point win? a team of multiple personalities??
Are you a newbie to sports? That happens a lot in sports.
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how do you go from a 3point loss to an 18 point win? a team of multiple personalities??
Come on, we're inconsistent. This isn't news.
Also, playing a ranked team on the road is very different from facing the last team in your conference at home.
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First, I love the dom fro look. Why'd it take close to four years? Thats the classic undersized big man hair do. Glad to see him embrace it.
Second, when sheed plays the way he just did he is the best talent in the BE. Problem is it doesnt happen often.
Too bad Sheed will probably take the next game off or turn into a turnover machine as the game is at Carnesecca Arena, Sheed's least favorite venue. Maybe we can blindfold him, drive him around and tell him he's playing the game at MSG.
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It's only Creighton, but I think we need to go small moving forward
Good teams would kill us, but against some teams would work
lol Josh Smith would have 30boards
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It's only Creighton, but I think we need to go small moving forward
Good teams would kill us, but against some teams would work
lol Josh Smith would have 30boards
Smith has 2 rebounds in the grown/nova game today. Villanova started 4 guards and Pinkston
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It's only Creighton, but I think we need to go small moving forward
Good teams would kill us, but against some teams would work
lol Josh Smith would have 30boards
He would have 40 boards if the boards were made of brisket, and curly fries.
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Fun game. Another sleepy crowd/late arriving students. Easy game for the home team though, expect a good atmosphere at Carnesecca on Wednesday. Need this game.
Only compliant, and I heard this from a couple of the guys in my section. Lavin keeps the starters in blow outs way too long. Doesn't look to the bench until there is a minute or less left in the game. And then Harrison almost got trampled under the basket.
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Fun game. Another sleepy crowd/late arriving students. Easy game for the home team though, expect a good atmosphere at Carnesecca on Wednesday. Need this game.
Only compliant, and I heard this from a couple of the guys in my section. Lavin keeps the starters in blow outs way too long. Doesn't look to the bench until there is a minute or less left in the game. And then Harrison almost got trampled under the basket.
Don't blame STJ students. Remember, the ad said they're "different". Man, that was spot on.
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It's only Creighton, but I think we need to go small moving forward
Good teams would kill us, but against some teams would work
lol Josh Smith would have 30boards
Smith has 2 rebounds in the grown/nova game today. Villanova started 4 guards and Pinkston
He's lazy. He still doesn't play consistently, either.
Oh! He's also still out of shape.
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Who are the students chanting for?
I thought they were chanting "Kyle" which confused me, but it must have been "Myles" which makes slightly more sense.
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Missed it again. Do we have new injuries?
Boxscore says 10,749. That's a great crowd for a 1200 Saturday Creighton game.
Not expecting a great crowd next one at 900 on a Wednesday. Seton Hall will sell out like the Butler game.
57% from the field; 58% from 3 and 85% from the line. There's really no shooting better than that. Everybody shot well but Balawho.
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Creighton thoughts: http://www.bigeastboards.com/
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Crowd was good. Pro St. John's . Creightin fans seemed liked they already died. No way 10, 000
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It's great to win, but lets chill out. Creighton didn't contest one shot all day.
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Missed it again. Do we have new injuries?
Boxscore says 10,749. That's a great crowd for a 1200 Saturday Creighton game.
Not expecting a great crowd next one at 900 on a Wednesday. Seton Hall will sell out like the Butler game.
57% from the field; 58% from 3 and 85% from the line. There's really no shooting better than that. Everybody shot well but Balawho.
Liquor store again?
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Missed it again. Do we have new injuries?
Boxscore says 10,749. That's a great crowd for a 1200 Saturday Creighton game.
Not expecting a great crowd next one at 900 on a Wednesday. Seton Hall will sell out like the Butler game.
57% from the field; 58% from 3 and 85% from the line. There's really no shooting better than that. Everybody shot well but Balawho.
Liquor store again?
Yes. Knob Creek.
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Creighton thoughts: http://www.bigeastboards.com/
Thanks for the shout out, but I am actually pretty concerned that I may have developed the "ability" to think along with Lavin.
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Now I know why Savior took 21 mostly ill-advised shots against Butler. It was clearly to sharpen his shooting for this afternoon. It's too bad he suffered that major knee injury against Creighton in the first one. We might of won it.
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Didn't catch the game but saw Felix, Amar, and Myles all made contributions. How did they play?
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Any word on Obekpa?
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Any word on Obekpa?
He didn't elbow the trainer.
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I must admit, I have to give Lavin credit for this one. To come out with the small lineup was a great move on his part. They totally threw Creighton for a loop. It also gave the team a chance to get Alibegovic, Balamou and some others good minutes and experience.
Lavin better be recruiting bigs immediately. The team will have a glut of 2 guards next year and nothing else.
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I must admit, I have to give Lavin credit for this one. To come out with the small lineup was a great move on his part. They totally threw Creighton for a loop. It also gave the team a chance to get Alibegovic, Balamou and some others good minutes and experience.
Lavin better be recruiting bigs immediately. The team will have a glut of 2 guards next year and nothing else.
Team likely won't have a glut of anything next year TBH
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I must admit, I have to give Lavin credit for this one. To come out with the small lineup was a great move on his part. They totally threw Creighton for a loop. It also gave the team a chance to get Alibegovic, Balamou and some others good minutes and experience.
Lavin better be recruiting bigs immediately. The team will have a glut of 2 guards next year and nothing else.
Team likely won't have a glut of anything next year TBH
If Jordan comes back which he should, that gives them Jordan, the two shooting guard recruits, Balamou and Stewart. That's 5 SG's which is probably too many. Do you not see any of these 5 being on the team next year?
They need size badly and a few PG's.
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I must admit, I have to give Lavin credit for this one. To come out with the small lineup was a great move on his part. They totally threw Creighton for a loop. It also gave the team a chance to get Alibegovic, Balamou and some others good minutes and experience.
Lavin better be recruiting bigs immediately. The team will have a glut of 2 guards next year and nothing else.
Team likely won't have a glut of anything next year TBH
If Jordan comes back which he should, that gives them Jordan, the two shooting guard recruits, Balamou and Stewart. That's 5 SG's which is probably too many. Do you not see any of these 5 being on the team next year?
They need size badly and a few PG's.
Your right on the surface. I don't have confidence in some of them returning. Can't help but wonder if a walk-on gets a ship somewhere else maybe. Felix has been jerked around losing a year of eligibility for pure stupidity. I don't know.
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I must admit, I have to give Lavin credit for this one. To come out with the small lineup was a great move on his part. They totally threw Creighton for a loop. It also gave the team a chance to get Alibegovic, Balamou and some others good minutes and experience.
Lavin better be recruiting bigs immediately. The team will have a glut of 2 guards next year and nothing else.
Team likely won't have a glut of anything next year TBH
If Jordan comes back which he should, that gives them Jordan, the two shooting guard recruits, Balamou and Stewart. That's 5 SG's which is probably too many. Do you not see any of these 5 being on the team next year?
They need size badly and a few PG's.
Balamou isn't a shooting guard. He's definitely a 3.
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I must admit, I have to give Lavin credit for this one. To come out with the small lineup was a great move on his part. They totally threw Creighton for a loop. It also gave the team a chance to get Alibegovic, Balamou and some others good minutes and experience.
Lavin better be recruiting bigs immediately. The team will have a glut of 2 guards next year and nothing else.
Team likely won't have a glut of anything next year TBH
If Jordan comes back which he should, that gives them Jordan, the two shooting guard recruits, Balamou and Stewart. That's 5 SG's which is probably too many. Do you not see any of these 5 being on the team next year?
They need size badly and a few PG's.
Jay Henderson?
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I must admit, I have to give Lavin credit for this one. To come out with the small lineup was a great move on his part. They totally threw Creighton for a loop. It also gave the team a chance to get Alibegovic, Balamou and some others good minutes and experience.
Lavin better be recruiting bigs immediately. The team will have a glut of 2 guards next year and nothing else.
Team likely won't have a glut of anything next year TBH
If Jordan comes back which he should, that gives them Jordan, the two shooting guard recruits, Balamou and Stewart. That's 5 SG's which is probably too many. Do you not see any of these 5 being on the team next year?
They need size badly and a few PG's.
Your right on the surface. I don't have confidence in some of them returning. Can't help but wonder if a walk-on gets a ship somewhere else maybe. Felix has been jerked around losing a year of eligibility for pure stupidity. I don't know.
Agreed on Balamou being jerked around. Yeah I can see a few guys leaving maybe. They just need some big bodies to help underneath. A true pg would help the structure of this team so much. Jamal Branch was the closest we had and I was hoping he had another year without Harrison and Greene here.
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Dave - Stewart didn't play until the end when the benches were empty. Amar was not as active on the glass as normal but played relatively smart and didn't force any shots. Felix is better off playing more like this year's version of Pointer and not as a guard. He battled their bigs down low (hence the 4 fouls). Missed some chippies but most of his shots were at the rim or within 12-15 feet.
We won because Jordan came out on fire, and when he is making 3's and playing relatively under control he is difficult to handle for anyone. Throw in D-Lo and Dom playing great all around (and Dom being an absolute terror on D) and Phil doing what Phil does with far less shot attempts. I was just happy we didn't let Baldi's boy Toby go nuts on us again. Creighton missed shots but we made them put the ball on the floor and almost everyone on that team is not really comfortable doing that. It just annoys me that we didn't do that the first time because we would have won if we did that even if Jordan's "injury".
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I must admit, I have to give Lavin credit for this one. To come out with the small lineup was a great move on his part. They totally threw Creighton for a loop. It also gave the team a chance to get Alibegovic, Balamou and some others good minutes and experience.
Lavin better be recruiting bigs immediately. The team will have a glut of 2 guards next year and nothing else.
Team likely won't have a glut of anything next year TBH
If Jordan comes back which he should, that gives them Jordan, the two shooting guard recruits, Balamou and Stewart. That's 5 SG's which is probably too many. Do you not see any of these 5 being on the team next year?
They need size badly and a few PG's.
Balamou isn't a shooting guard. He's definitely a 3.
So he's a wing player. Regardless, the point remains.Too many SG's and a huge dearth of big bodies.
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Also, as a fan base, we might as well just accept the fact now that Jordan is not coming back. The writing is on the wall with that one. I could envision a scenario where Chris returns though.
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Stewart,
Felix
Sampson
Amar
Obekpa
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I hope not Baldi. If that is the lineup your prediction about us having a new coach next year will be spot on
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Stewart,
Felix
Sampson
Amar
Obekpa
Funny thing is, if Cluess could start that lineup next year, Baldi would take out his 7th mortgage just to grab a whiff of Cluess' nuts.
#broke
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Stewart,
Felix
Sampson
Amar
Obekpa
Funny thing is, if Cluess could start that lineup next year, Baldi would take out his 7th mortgage just to grab a whiff of Cluess' nuts.
#broke
Getting old.
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Once again another fine outing from Phil Greene IV. Returned to his automatic double digit scoring ways with 13. This time on a beyond efficient 60% from the floor and 50% from three. Made many very difficult shots look easy in this outing. Also had one of our way less than usual 3 steals and another infinity Assist/turnover ratio as he had 3 assists and 0 turnovers.
Continues to rank among the leaders in conference play as he's 10th in the league in scoring at 13.6 ppg; 15th in field goal percentage at 46%; 15th in steals at 1.1 per game; 9th in 3 point field percentage at 42%; and 10th in # of three pointers at 20.
To date he has put together quite an impressive senior campaign.
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At some point, before the end of the season, can this infantile Phil Greene is great ( carmine), Phil Greene stinks ( 80% of the board) just end?
Better yet, just give him his own thread, like Baldi has for Cluess... That way people can choose to read the thread or not..
He is what he is... An average, but limited guard. end of story
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At some point, before the end of the season, can this infantile Phil Greene is great ( carmine), Phil Greene stinks ( 80% of the board) just end?
Better yet, just give him his own thread, like Baldi has for Cluess... That way people can choose to read the thread or not..
He is what he is... An average, but limited guard. end of story
Thank you Boo.
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Amar is going to be good. He should have played way more during the earlier part of the season to get ready for Big East, that's on Lavin.
Also anything know anything on Baby Delarosa?
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Amar is going to be good. He should have played way more during the earlier part of the season to get ready for Big East, that's on Lavin.
Also anything know anything on Baby Delarosa?
Is he good though? I think he seems like he's a big guy who has a nice stroke but really limited athleticism (quickness). Haven't seen much other than he is very willing to set a ball screen.
I didn't see this game though so I could be missing something.
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Amar is going to be good. He should have played way more during the earlier part of the season to get ready for Big East, that's on Lavin.
Also anything know anything on Baby Delarosa?
Is he good though? I think he seems like he's a big guy who has a nice stroke but really limited athleticism (quickness). Haven't seen much other than he is very willing to set a ball screen.
I didn't see this game though so I could be missing something.
I think he's proven to be at the very least a serviceable Big East 4. And he still has room to grow.
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Amar is going to be good. He should have played way more during the earlier part of the season to get ready for Big East, that's on Lavin.
Also anything know anything on Baby Delarosa?
Is he good though? I think he seems like he's a big guy who has a nice stroke but really limited athleticism (quickness). Haven't seen much other than he is very willing to set a ball screen.
I didn't see this game though so I could be missing something.
I think he has plenty of athleticism to go along plenty of size. The fact that he looks comfortable shooting the deep ball just makes him easier to be hopeful about.
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I'd be happy with a big body that can set screens and play pick and roll... Particularly if he can pick and pop. Maybe see more of that next year?
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I'd be happy with a big body that can set screens and play pick and roll... Particularly if he can pick and pop. Maybe see more of that next year?
Sure hope so
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Agree Dave that Amar is slow for this level right now, and his lack of athleticism impairs his ability to score around the hoop. But he has a nice stroke, is not afraid to throw his body around and has shown at least some rebounding ability. I think with development he can be at worst a serviceable rotation 4-man at the college level.
Good post Boo re: Greene, although I think he is somewhere between average and above average at this stage.
Christian Jones is an enigma. In my view he has regressed big time from what we saw glimpses of as a freshman. Total lack of court awareness and seems to have no idea how to use his body/athleticism. He should be a guy who at this point can rebound and score some around the basket and in the high post area. The fact that we are resorting to Balamou starting over him, and that Amar and JDR have basically stolen his minutes, speaks volumes.
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At some point, before the end of the season, can this infantile Phil Greene is great ( carmine), Phil Greene stinks ( 80% of the board) just end?
Yes. I will cease and desist on my end. This will be my very last post on the topic. I will however take the liberty to detail the Triangle's passing of additional SJU luminaries as he continues his ascent on the all-time St. John's University scoring list as that is historic and important.
He is what he is... An average, but limited guard. end of story
If 1000 point scorers were average...than there would be more of them. How many players have ever worn the red and white on Union Turnpike? 500? 1000? He will probably finish his career around the 30th highest scorer we've ever had. By definition it's way better than average. He's passing some very special players that I have fond memories of. He's scored a heck lot of points for us and has put together a fine career here in which he's improved every season. His accomplishments deserves mad respect, not ridicule.
The End
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At some point, before the end of the season, can this infantile Phil Greene is great ( carmine), Phil Greene stinks ( 80% of the board) just end?
Yes. I will cease and desist on my end. This will be my very last post on the topic. I will however take the liberty to detail the Triangle's passing of additional SJU luminaries as he continues his ascent on the all-time St. John's University scoring list as that is historic and important.
He is what he is... An average, but limited guard. end of story
If 1000 point scorers were average...than there would be more of them. How many players have ever worn the red and white on Union Turnpike? 500? 1000? He will probably finish his career around the 30th highest scorer we've ever had. By definition it's way better than average. He's passing some very special players that I have fond memories of. He's scored a heck lot of points for us and has put together a fine career here in which he's improved every season. His accomplishments deserves mad respect, not ridicule.
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Carmine- Not knocking Phil... I've been a fan and defended him on here.. However both you and those that take the other-side, both do so to the extreme.. He's not nearly as good as you say nor as bad as your counterparts think.. 1,000 pts is great.. He's played a lot of games, a lot of minutes and taken a ton of shots to get there.
In your opinion, Is he better than Anthony Mason Jr? I would rated AMjr as a slightly better than average college basketball player..
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At some point, before the end of the season, can this infantile Phil Greene is great ( carmine), Phil Greene stinks ( 80% of the board) just end?
Yes. I will cease and desist on my end. This will be my very last post on the topic. I will however take the liberty to detail the Triangle's passing of additional SJU luminaries as he continues his ascent on the all-time St. John's University scoring list as that is historic and important.
He is what he is... An average, but limited guard. end of story
If 1000 point scorers were average...than there would be more of them. How many players have ever worn the red and white on Union Turnpike? 500? 1000? He will probably finish his career around the 30th highest scorer we've ever had. By definition it's way better than average. He's passing some very special players that I have fond memories of. He's scored a heck lot of points for us and has put together a fine career here in which he's improved every season. His accomplishments deserves mad respect, not ridicule.
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Carmine- Not knocking Phil... I've been a fan and defended him on here.. However both you and those that take the other-side, both do so to the extreme.. He's not nearly as good as you say nor as bad as your counterparts think.. 1,000 pts is great.. He's played a lot of games, a lot of minutes and taken a ton of shots to get there.
In your opinion, Is he better than Anthony Mason Jr? I would rated AMjr as a slightly better than average college basketball player..
I'm sorry Boo, but I'm unable to answer your question as my post that preceded yours was my last one ever on the topic.
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Amar is going to be good. He should have played way more during the earlier part of the season to get ready for Big East, that's on Lavin.
Also anything know anything on Baby Delarosa?
Is he good though? I think he seems like he's a big guy who has a nice stroke but really limited athleticism (quickness). Haven't seen much other than he is very willing to set a ball screen.
I didn't see this game though so I could be missing something.
I think he has plenty of athleticism to go along plenty of size. The fact that he looks comfortable shooting the deep ball just makes him easier to be hopeful about.
Yup, it's all hopefulness but I think he can get to where he is a good player for us that can be depended on.