6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => Recruiting Archives => Recruiting => 2014 Class => Topic started by: gonzalo on June 20, 2011, 03:04:20 PM
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He appears in the Recruiting page (not forum).
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/high_school/basketball/blossoming_lawrence_shows_bright_bAkYd2CUO3zMQXN1VbePKO (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/high_school/basketball/blossoming_lawrence_shows_bright_bAkYd2CUO3zMQXN1VbePKO)
Lawrence, meanwhile, is just starting to get a feel for the recruiting process. During his sophomore year, he received a few offers, from Louisville, South Florida and Virginia Tech. A few more have popped up recently, from Cincinnati, Hofstra, Florida and Fordham. Since college coaches were allowed to make contact on Wednesday, he has already heard from a number of other schools, such as UCLA, Syracuse, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Iowa, Iowa State, Rutgers and Villanova.
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Coach Chiles is watching him today at Hoop Group according to Nypost twitter. I think this kid is going to blow up.
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http://stjohns.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?sid=1171&script=content.asp&cid=1237714&fid=&tid=&mid= (http://stjohns.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?sid=1171&script=content.asp&cid=1237714&fid=&tid=&mid=)
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It was a Twitter love fest for this kid yesterday. You can call it his official coming out party.
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It was a Twitter love fest for this kid yesterday. You can call it his official coming out party.
That it was. It looks like Syracuse and us are really making him a top priority.
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It was a Twitter love fest for this kid yesterday. You can call it his official coming out party.
That it was. It looks like Syracuse and us are really making him a top priority.
Syracuse could have a bit of an inside track with a former Dozo player in James Southerland. Hopefully all bridges with Naclerio are repaired.
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http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/prospects/_/class/2013/state/ny (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/recruiting/prospects/_/class/2013/state/ny)
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http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/high_school/basketball/hoop_group_elite_session_notebook_E7BAbiJ8jXCnBW3iGqnDwJ (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/high_school/basketball/hoop_group_elite_session_notebook_E7BAbiJ8jXCnBW3iGqnDwJ)
Cardozo’s Lawrence stands out: Even with minimal exposure, Jermaine Lawrence had attracted plenty of high-major Division I interest. That figures to double, if not triple, after this week at Hoop Group Elite Session 1.
The bouncy 6-foot-9 forward, who holds offers from Louisville, Cincinnati, South Florida, Hofstra, Fordham and Virginia Tech and interest from Syracuse, Rutgers, St. John’s, Florida, UCLA, Virginia, Virginia Tech, Iowa State, Iowa and Villanova, has been one of the top performers through two days.
He scored in double figures in all three games on Wednesday and was particularly impressive in front of St. John’s assistant Tony Chiles and Syracuse assistants Mike Hopkins and Adrian Autry. He sank 3-pointers, blocked shots and threw down ferocious dunks as part of the dazzling display.
“I’ve been in an environment like this, but never this big – this is a big deal being here,” he said. “It’s a lot of exposure. I try not to pay too much attention to [the college coaches]. I want to keep my head.”
With two years of high school left, Lawrence will have more opportunities to showcase himself. He has a different goal in mind this week.
“MVP, that’s what I want to get,” the Springfield Gardens, Queens native said. “I just have to play within myself and make good decisions.”
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It was a Twitter love fest for this kid yesterday. You can call it his official coming out party.
That it was. It looks like Syracuse and us are really making him a top priority.
Syracuse could have a bit of an inside track with a former Dozo player in James Southerland. Hopefully all bridges with Naclerio are repaired.
Hey,we had former Cardozo player Ryan Williams as we'll... ;). Wonder if naclerio and slither and are happy with how he's being utilized there?We'll findmout this season. Regardless, my bet is that Lavin will repair any issues with Ron naclerio if there still is any. Ron is still a friend of NYC basketball regardless. Bottom line is he sounds like a player we should be all over and probably are.
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It was a Twitter love fest for this kid yesterday. You can call it his official coming out party.
That it was. It looks like Syracuse and us are really making him a top priority.
Syracuse could have a bit of an inside track with a former Dozo player in James Southerland. Hopefully all bridges with Naclerio are repaired.
Hey,we had former Cardozo player Ryan Williams as we'll... ;). Wonder if naclerio and slither and are happy with how he's being utilized there?We'll findmout this season. Regardless, my bet is that Lavin will repair any issues with Ron naclerio if there still is any. Ron is still a friend of NYC basketball regardless. Bottom line is he sounds like a player we should be all over and probably are.
I'm going out on a limb and saying Marcus is using a smartphone or iPad or something because your spelling lately has been awesome :)
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It was a Twitter love fest for this kid yesterday. You can call it his official coming out party.
That it was. It looks like Syracuse and us are really making him a top priority.
Syracuse could have a bit of an inside track with a former Dozo player in James Southerland. Hopefully all bridges with Naclerio are repaired.
Hey,we had former Cardozo player Ryan Williams as we'll... ;). Wonder if naclerio and slither and are happy with how he's being utilized there?We'll findmout this season. Regardless, my bet is that Lavin will repair any issues with Ron naclerio if there still is any. Ron is still a friend of NYC basketball regardless. Bottom line is he sounds like a player we should be all over and probably are.
I'm going out on a limb and saying Marcus is using a smartphone or iPad or something because your spelling lately has been awesome :)
It's not spelling that is a problem...it's typos. And auto-correct on my iPad. I see it changed southerland to "slither" this time. Last time it changed it to "slugger and". Too lazy to fix typos and just got home from working since 2 pm yesterday.
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It was a Twitter love fest for this kid yesterday. You can call it his official coming out party.
That it was. It looks like Syracuse and us are really making him a top priority.
Syracuse could have a bit of an inside track with a former Dozo player in James Southerland. Hopefully all bridges with Naclerio are repaired.
Hey,we had former Cardozo player Ryan Williams as we'll... ;). Wonder if naclerio and slither and are happy with how he's being utilized there?We'll findmout this season. Regardless, my bet is that Lavin will repair any issues with Ron naclerio if there still is any. Ron is still a friend of NYC basketball regardless. Bottom line is he sounds like a player we should be all over and probably are.
I'm going out on a limb and saying Marcus is using a smartphone or iPad or something because your spelling lately has been awesome :)
It's not spelling that is a problem...it's typos. And auto-correct on my iPad. I see it changed southerland to "slither" this time. Last time it changed it to "slugger and". Too lazy to fix typos and just got home from working since 2 pm yesterday.
As I expected :)
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St. John's should inform Jermaine that last winter the City of Syracuse NY received more than 16 feet of snow.
That fact may make him not want to spend winters in Syracuse.
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Cardozo Forward Jermaine Lawrence Talks Recruiting, New York Basketball at Hoop Group Elite Camp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3qsq-i1tXA#ws)
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According to Coach Naclerio St. John´s has offered a scholarship.
http://twitter.com/# (http://twitter.com/#)!/CoachNaclerio/status/89363947056140289
More offers: Hofstra, Fordham, South Carolina, Rutgers, Georgetown, Cincinnati, Louisville, Virginia Tech.
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http://blog.northstarbball.com/2011/07/07/2013-forward-jermaine-lawrence.aspx (http://blog.northstarbball.com/2011/07/07/2013-forward-jermaine-lawrence.aspx)
Lawrence said that he currently holds scholarship offers from Louisville, Virginia Tech, Cincinnati, Hofstra, and Fordham. In addition, he is garnering interest from Syracuse, West Virginia, Iowa, Iowa State, Villanova, St. John's, Florida, Miami, and others.
"Well, right now Syracuse, Virginia Tech and Louisville," Lawrence said of his favorites at this point.
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According to Rivals he is the 58th best player of 2013 class (May 2011).
http://rivals.yahoo.com/stjohns/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-2752 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/stjohns/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-2752)
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6'8" Jermaine Lawrence who rockin' at Choz Gym has unofficial visit to St. John's on Friday.
http://twitter.com/# (http://twitter.com/#)!/NYCHoops/status/106907480793169920
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From what little I have seen kid looks like a player. Would not mind at all signing him.
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We could use another big. If he is 6"8 now he could be 6"9 + as he enters college.
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Ya know, my UCLA brethern already consider me a traitor for being on these boards (and supporting coach Lavin). But man, if we take ANOTHER Virginia Tech recruit away from the Hokies (Darrick Wood), I'm not even gonna be safe at home here in Blacksburg, VA!
But perhaps rightfully so - unlike competing with UCLA for recruits, I WANT Coach Lavin to win the battles against Seth :)
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Nate Blue on twitter tonight called him a program changer. With Jakarr out of the picture, I would like to see us make Jermaine a priority. We should be all over him.
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Nate Blue on twitter tonight called him a program changer. With Jakarr out of the picture, I would like to see us make Jermaine a priority. We should be all over him.
Hopefully Jakarr is the priority
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Nate Blue on twitter tonight called him a program changer. With Jakarr out of the picture, I would like to see us make Jermaine a priority. We should be all over him.
Hopefully Jakarr is the priority
There comes a point where you have to move on.
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Nate Blue on twitter tonight called him a program changer. With Jakarr out of the picture, I would like to see us make Jermaine a priority. We should be all over him.
Hopefully Jakarr is the priority
There comes a point where you have to move on.
And when is that?
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And when is that?
When rumors of a package deal to Kentucky surface...
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Nate Blue on twitter tonight called him a program changer. With Jakarr out of the picture, I would like to see us make Jermaine a priority. We should be all over him.
I agree.
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And when is that?
When rumors of a package deal to Kentucky surface...
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care to elaborate?
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And when is that?
When rumors of a package deal to Kentucky surface...
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care to elaborate?
Sampson seems to have officially decommitted. I believe a tweet surfaced from Mitch McGary (I could be wrong) mentioning a possibility of he and Jakarr being a package deal to UK.
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And when is that?
When rumors of a package deal to Kentucky surface...
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care to elaborate?
Sampson seems to have officially decommitted. I believe a tweet surfaced from Mitch McGary (I could be wrong) mentioning a possibility of he and Jakarr being a package deal to UK.
And then all the media outlets (Zags, Borzello, etc) picked up on it with quotes from Jason Smith, HC of Brewster confirming the news.
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Its called rumors, just because Mitch tweeted that doesn't imply that they will be going to school together or that Kentucky has interest in Jakarr. We are talking about an elite talent and to give up on him this soon doesn't make sense to me
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Its called rumors, just because Mitch tweeted that doesn't imply that they will be going to school together or that Kentucky has interest in Jakarr. We are talking about an elite talent and to give up on him this soon doesn't make sense to me
Everyone brings up Ledo as someone who backed out then came back. Take aside the fact that it was two different staffs. It is not common for a kid to back out and then re-committ to the same school. And from what others are saying it seems like Jakarr is the one that is far off and requires a whole yr at Brewster. So now your talking about him as 2012 with a whole new set of factors. Maybe he wants to go somewhere where there isn't competition? Maybe he doesnt like the fact that the other kids will have yr under their belt and he's a year behind?
Personally I would move on. He's backed out and in a sense said he wants to re-evaluate things. That is fine he is perfectly within the rules and entitled to do so. I would move on and find someone who is committed to wanting to play for STJ.
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Its called rumors, just because Mitch tweeted that doesn't imply that they will be going to school together or that Kentucky has interest in Jakarr. We are talking about an elite talent and to give up on him this soon doesn't make sense to me
Everyone brings up Ledo as someone who backed out then came back. Take aside the fact that it was two different staffs. It is not common for a kid to back out and then re-committ to the same school. And from what others are saying it seems like Jakarr is the one that is far off and requires a whole yr at Brewster. So now your talking about him as 2012 with a whole new set of factors. Maybe he wants to go somewhere where there isn't competition? Maybe he doesnt like the fact that the other kids will have yr under their belt and he's a year behind?
Personally I would move on. He's backed out and in a sense said he wants to re-evaluate things. That is fine he is perfectly within the rules and entitled to do so. I would move on and find someone who is committed to wanting to play for STJ.
I understand his reasons for wanting to reopen his recruitment, but what do we have to lose by trying to get him to come back for 2012? More specifically, is their any player in 2012 that we are targeting who is better then Jakarr? Its an opinion but I doubt it
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Its called rumors, just because Mitch tweeted that doesn't imply that they will be going to school together or that Kentucky has interest in Jakarr. We are talking about an elite talent and to give up on him this soon doesn't make sense to me
Everyone brings up Ledo as someone who backed out then came back. Take aside the fact that it was two different staffs. It is not common for a kid to back out and then re-committ to the same school. And from what others are saying it seems like Jakarr is the one that is far off and requires a whole yr at Brewster. So now your talking about him as 2012 with a whole new set of factors. Maybe he wants to go somewhere where there isn't competition? Maybe he doesnt like the fact that the other kids will have yr under their belt and he's a year behind?
Personally I would move on. He's backed out and in a sense said he wants to re-evaluate things. That is fine he is perfectly within the rules and entitled to do so. I would move on and find someone who is committed to wanting to play for STJ.
I understand his reasons for wanting to reopen his recruitment, but what do we have to lose by trying to get him to come back for 2012? More specifically, is their any player in 2012 that we are targeting who is better then Jakarr? Its an opinion but I doubt it
Why go down the road with him again if only to be left at the altar possibly? Your right we don't know what 2012 holds for us. My personal opinion is to move on and I'm sure soon enough you will see a direction from STJ on him whether or not they plan to keep pursuing.
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Rational and sensible reply Moose!!
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He de-committed... Move on. Recruit another kid that wants to be here. We have mo and pointer, two excellent SF's. We have gathers coming in and now room to recruit more guys that want to be here and fill those needs. No re-treads. I wouldn't be against him coming back to SJU, but I don't want Lavin waiting for him. I'd rather Lavin look to replace him as of yesterday.
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Ok lets get back to Jermaine Lawrence before Dave and Gumby come looking for us :knuppel2: :tickedoff:
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http://stjohns.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?ReturnTo=&sid=&script=content.asp&cid=1260575&fid=&tid=&mid=&rid= (http://stjohns.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?ReturnTo=&sid=&script=content.asp&cid=1260575&fid=&tid=&mid=&rid=)
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http://stjohns.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?ReturnTo=&sid=&script=content.asp&cid=1260575&fid=&tid=&mid=&rid= (http://stjohns.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?ReturnTo=&sid=&script=content.asp&cid=1260575&fid=&tid=&mid=&rid=)
Its dated 9/4 about his Miami (Fla) offer.
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Per Zach Braziller:
UCLA, UConn, Kentucky and Kansas State have called @CoachNaclerio about junior forward Jermaine Lawrence, who has a host of Big East offers.
http://twitter.com/NYPost_Brazille/status/119120352923238400 (http://twitter.com/NYPost_Brazille/status/119120352923238400)
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Looks like we had and assistant go to check out Jermaine Lawrence today, unless there is someone else on Cordozo that we're targeting.
- Herds of college coaches are expected to attend Cardozo coach Ron Naclerio’s annual showcase in Queens on Wednesday afternoon. Assistants from Syracuse, Kansas State, Villanova, Kentucky, UCONN, St. John’s, and Virginia tech have already confirmed their attendance. The Judges’ prime prospect is 6-foot-9 junior forward Jermaine Lawrence but Naclerio uses the event to also help players in his program land opportunities at the Division two and three level as well as junior college.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/10/04/the-rothstein-files-time-is-now-for-former-st-anthonys-star-tyshawn-taylor/ (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/10/04/the-rothstein-files-time-is-now-for-former-st-anthonys-star-tyshawn-taylor/)
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Nice that Baron Davis keeping Mike Dunlap company at Cardozo :)
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Nice that Baron Davis keeping Mike Dunlap company at Cardozo :)
please expand
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Nice that Baron Davis keeping Mike Dunlap company at Cardozo :)
please expand
Per twitter, Baron Davis was with Mike Dunlap at Cardozo
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gotchya. thanks 89. Cant be a bad thing
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I'll see Jermaine this Sunday
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I'll see Jermaine this Sunday
Tell him I said Hi.
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http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/high_school/football/center_lawrence_attention_high_major_60fvnhuW2Qa33BfyGBEN3K#ixzz1aGayq1zF (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/high_school/football/center_lawrence_attention_high_major_60fvnhuW2Qa33BfyGBEN3K#ixzz1aGayq1zF)
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Ive been out of the scene for awhile, but doesnt Ronnie have a deep resentment against us? I know he was super peturbed when he wasn't considered for a job here when Roberts was hired. Is he going to send one of his kids here, just not sure how he feels toward us.
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Ive been out of the scene for awhile, but doesnt Ronnie D have a deep resentment against us? I know he was super peturbed when he wasn't considered for a job here when Roberts was hired. Is he going to send one of his kids here, just not sure how he feels toward us.
Still comes to many of our games so don't see why he wouldn't want to see one of his former players play and as an alum have a sucessful team. Plus I give the man more credit than to be so petty.
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Jermaine Lawrence (Brooklyn, N.Y./Cardoza)
2013, PF, 6-foot-8, 220 pounds
He is an athletic power forward who has a great motor and is very active blocking shots, rebounding and scoring. Lawrence is the type of player every team would love to have because he does not need the ball to score and his skill set can fit in any scheme. Overall, look for him to be one of the most highly-recruited big men in the 2013 class on the East Coast.
http://insider.espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/basketball/mens/story?id=7088430&_slug_=hoop-group-top-100-new-york-recap&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fcollege-sports%2frecruiting%2fbasketball%2fmens%2fstory%3fid%3d7088430%26_slug_%3dhoop-group-top-100-new-york-recap (http://insider.espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/basketball/mens/story?id=7088430&_slug_=hoop-group-top-100-new-york-recap&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fcollege-sports%2frecruiting%2fbasketball%2fmens%2fstory%3fid%3d7088430%26_slug_%3dhoop-group-top-100-new-york-recap)
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“We had an open gym about a week and a half ago and roughly 60 schools were there,” said Cardozo assistant coach Wendell Jordan. “Florida, Georgetown, Cincinnati, St. John’s, Rutgers, Villanova, Xavier, and many others were there. A lot of schools have been doing their due diligence with Jermaine.”
Jordan continued, “All of the coaches who were at the open gym and have been keeping in contact with our coaching staff every week and no one school has stood out more than another.”
To this point Jordan hasn’t made many unofficial visits, but this past weekend he did go to St. John’s for their midnight madness festivities.
“We all went down to St. John’s for Midnight Madness,” said Jordan. “It was fun we all had a good time. Tony Chiles has been reaching out every chance that he can get and staying in contact.”
http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1119134.html (http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1119134.html)
*He was profiled this week, but make sure to remember the name Jermaine Lawrence. The New York City natives has been drawing rave reviews both for his play at camps and during workouts at his school. Lawrence is also fairly young for his grade, so he has a lot of room for growth potential. Schools such as Florida, Rutgers, St. John’s, Cincinnati, and Xavier have all been up to see him and have made him a priority recruit. St. John’s is especially making a strong push trying to keep him at home.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=75&f=1043&t=8121311 (http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=75&f=1043&t=8121311)
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Was in attendance tonight
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TheRecruitScoop Alex Kline
2013 Cardozo (NY) forward Jermaine Lawrence had 20 points & 14 rebounds in a season opening win tonight.
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It was a blowout they won by 20+. He needs to add 25 pounds or he'll never be effective on the next level
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It was a blowout they won by 20+. He needs to add 25 pounds or he'll never be effective on the next level
Interesting take. Who would you compare him too? Do you think the staff is wrong to make him priority of the 13 class?
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It was a blowout they won by 20+. He needs to add 25 pounds or he'll never be effective on the next level
Interesting take. Who would you compare him too? Do you think the staff is wrong to make him priority of the 13 class?
Him along with Jordan Washington are the best prospects in the area for that class, so from the stand point of trying to keep the ny pipeline running I'm in full agreement. I can't think of a comparison at the moment but he's 6'8.5 about 185 at most with very limited perimeter skills. He's definitely a project. The YouTube subscriber "thebasketballdiary " has updated videos of scrimmages and in one of them jermaine's school plays Christ the king featuring another 2013 kid Isaiah Lewis. Take a look, let me know what you think.
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If you guys wanna keep up with jermaine Lawrence stats and Jordan washington's throughout the season go on psal.org , jermaine goes to Benjamin Cardozo and Jordan goes to Pathways.
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It was a blowout they won by 20+. He needs to add 25 pounds or he'll never be effective on the next level
Interesting take. Who would you compare him too? Do you think the staff is wrong to make him priority of the 13 class?
Him along with Jordan Washington are the best prospects in the area for that class, so from the stand point of trying to keep the ny pipeline running I'm in full agreement. I can't think of a comparison at the moment but he's 6'8.5 about 185 at most with very limited perimeter skills. He's definitely a project. The YouTube subscriber "thebasketballdiary " has updated videos of scrimmages and in one of them jermaine's school plays Christ the king featuring another 2013 kid Isaiah Lewis. Take a look, let me know what you think.
Heard more positive things than I have negative for Jermaine. The opposite is the case with Washington. Can't say I've seen either in person though just yet. Will definitely see them this season at some point.
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Per Alex Kline....
2013 Cardozo (NY) forward Jermaine Lawrence had a triple-double today with 15 points, 15 rebounds & 10 blocks.
http://twitter.com/# (http://twitter.com/#)!/TheRecruitScoop/status/147485511223738369
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Per Alex Kline....
2013 Cardozo (NY) forward Jermaine Lawrence had a triple-double today with 15 points, 15 rebounds & 10 blocks.
http://twitter.com/# (http://twitter.com/#)!/TheRecruitScoop/status/147485511223738369
Those stats are a little juiced, saw the game. You can watch it to if you want it's online
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Per Alex Kline....
2013 Cardozo (NY) forward Jermaine Lawrence had a triple-double today with 15 points, 15 rebounds & 10 blocks.
http://twitter.com/# (http://twitter.com/#)!/TheRecruitScoop/status/147485511223738369
Those stats are a little juiced, saw the game. You can watch it to if you want it's online
Yeah, I would like to take a peek at it. Thanks!
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Any links to watch the game?
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Any links to watch the game?
On YouTube. search "thebasketballdiary" and you can watch the game in sections. Benjamin Cardozo vs bayside
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Any links to watch the game?
On YouTube. search "thebasketballdiary" and you can watch the game in sections. Benjamin Cardozo vs bayside
Thanks man, I'll look into it
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Any links to watch the game?
On YouTube. search "thebasketballdiary" and you can watch the game in sections. Benjamin Cardozo vs bayside
Thanks man, I'll look into it
No doubt
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Four schools are working the hardest on Cardozo junior forward Jermaine Lawrence, head coach Ron Naclerio told SNY.tv.
“Virginia Tech, Rutgers, St. John’s and Xavier are recruiting him the hardest,” Naclerio said Wednesday by phone.
“He’s had numerous schools come by. Providence, UConn and Syracuse called. But those four are working the hardest.”
http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/01/04/four-working-hardest-on-jermaine-lawrence/ (http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/01/04/four-working-hardest-on-jermaine-lawrence/)
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I haven't seen anything posted on Jermaine, so it begs the question from you all in the know: will he still most likely be a '13 recruit or go to prep school? Or is it up in the air to see if he gets his academics in order at Pope John XIII? Does it matter skills development-wise, recruiting-wise, that he now won't be playing for Naclerio? It seemed like he thrived under him. Is that a good thing for SJ's?
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/high_school/basketball/lawrence_leaves_cardozo_for_garden_sjZROR7uI89g1mZCaPC9rN (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/high_school/basketball/lawrence_leaves_cardozo_for_garden_sjZROR7uI89g1mZCaPC9rN)
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post the youtube links here
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http://stjohns.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?sid=1171&script=content.asp&cid=1326576&fid=&tid=&mid= (http://stjohns.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?sid=1171&script=content.asp&cid=1326576&fid=&tid=&mid=)
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http://stjohns.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?sid=1171&script=content.asp&cid=1326576&fid=&tid=&mid= (http://stjohns.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?sid=1171&script=content.asp&cid=1326576&fid=&tid=&mid=)
Hargrove didn't elaborate on why Lawrence decided to transfer but did say that Lawrence was enjoying himself. Although the school does have a basketball team, Hargrove said, "It's just about books and development."
According to Hargrove, the Rivals.com 4-star forward still has twelve solid offers from every major conference but added, "St. John's, Xavier, Virginia Tech, Rutgers and the Gators (Florida) have called the most since his transfer."
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I was at Pope John HS yesterday and it is a LONG way from Queens. This kid has to be living with a coach, guardian or relative because you certainly are not commuting to Sparta, NJ everyday.
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Any chance he reclassifies to 2012? He's got good grades and perhaps that explains the hs transfer.
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I thought that he was not playing with Pope John XXIII.
http://twitter.com/chadbabel/status/170300227817979905 (http://twitter.com/chadbabel/status/170300227817979905)
Jermaine Lawrence recorded a triple double with 24 pts, 19 rebs, 10 blocks, 5 assts in just his 3rd game for Pope John XXIII.
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I thought that he was not playing with Pope John XXIII.
http://twitter.com/chadbabel/status/170300227817979905 (http://twitter.com/chadbabel/status/170300227817979905)
Jermaine Lawrence recorded a triple double with 24 pts, 19 rebs, 10 blocks, 5 assts in just his 3rd game for Pope John XXIII.
One has to wonder about the level of competition there. That said, we are in great shape with his recruitment.
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Blair Academy is up that way, but Sussex County, New Jersey? The coach there used to be on the St Anthony's staff and wants to build up a program. See what kind of schedule they put together for next year.
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@TheRecruitScoop St. John's saw 2013 Pope John XXIII (NJ) forward Jermaine Lawrence drop 21 points, 13 rebounds & 5 blocks tonight.
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Jermaine has got to see himself as Moe's sucessor in two years.
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Must be playing against a school for jockeys.
“@TheRecruitScoop: 2013 forward Jermaine Lawrence had 25 points, 15 rebounds & 15 blocks for Pope John XXIII (NJ) tonight.”
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He'll get his serious run with AAU...but Pope John will get his grades together. They do take academics very seriously. They won't bend either. The principal doesn't play with the integrity of the academic reputation. He would sooner see a D1 athlete leave v compromise the academic integrity.
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He'll get his serious run with AAU...but Pope John will get his grades together. They do take academics very seriously. They won't bend either. The principal doesn't play with the integrity of the academic reputation. He would sooner see a D1 athlete leave v compromise the academic integrity.
He didn't have grade problems though. He was supposedly a very good student as it was.
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He'll get his serious run with AAU...but Pope John will get his grades together. They do take academics very seriously. They won't bend either. The principal doesn't play with the integrity of the academic reputation. He would sooner see a D1 athlete leave v compromise the academic integrity.
He didn't have grade problems though. He was supposedly a very good student as it was.
Maybe he just wanted to get away from Ron Naclerio and figured academics would be a good excuse... ;D
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IMO being away from Naclerio is a good thing for us.
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IMO being away from Naclerio is a good thing for us.
We stood very well with him when he was with Ron.
My worries are now actually that he is out of Queens.
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IMO being away from Naclerio is a good thing for us.
We stood very well with him when he was with Ron.
I believe he is a Gaucho, which is good for us.
My worries are now actually that he is out of Queens.
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IMO being away from Naclerio is a good thing for us.
We stood very well with him when he was with Ron.
I believe he is a Gaucho, which is good for us.
My worries are now actually that he is out of Queens.
He didn't run with any of the big AAU teams last year. There was talk he would run with a big boy this year. I was guessing New Heights.
Also the Gauchos recently lost their Nike sponsorship I heard.
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IMO being away from Naclerio is a good thing for us.
We stood very well with him when he was with Ron.
I believe he is a Gaucho, which is good for us.
My worries are now actually that he is out of Queens.
He didn't run with any of the big AAU teams last year. There was talk he would run with a big boy this year. I was guessing New Heights.
Also the Gauchos recently lost their Nike sponsorship I heard.
So #UnderArmour can step in? Why did they lose it - for PR perception - some problem(s)?
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Lawrence Attracting A Lot of Attention
http://stjohns.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?sid=1171&script=content.asp&cid=1338407&fid=&tid=&mid= (http://stjohns.rivals.com/barrier_noentry.asp?sid=1171&script=content.asp&cid=1338407&fid=&tid=&mid=)
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A 2013 6-foot-9 combo forward from Pope John XXIII in Sparta, New Jersey, Lawrence is considering Louisville, Rutgers, St. John’s, Virginia Tech, Florida, Georgia Tech and many others.
http://www.therecruitscoop.com/jermaine-lawrence-ready-for-the-2012-mary-kline-classic (http://www.therecruitscoop.com/jermaine-lawrence-ready-for-the-2012-mary-kline-classic)
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3 | Benjamin Cardozo High School ( Queens ) Vs Bayside High School ( Queens ) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6df-6sDd98#ws)
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1 | Benjamin Cardozo High School ( Queens ) Vs Beach Channel ( Queens ) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO7EMSMjYBA#ws)
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Anyone know who he's running with this summer?
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Anyone know who he's running with this summer?
NY Rens
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Let's get working!!
“@TheRecruitScoop: Rutgers, Temple, UConn & Cincinnati at Pope John (NJ) for 2013 F Jermaine Lawrence & 2016's Bryce Aiken, Temple Gibbs & Sterling Hewitt.”
UCONN made an offer.
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“@jeffborzello: Watching New Rens. Lots of D-1 talent on the roster. Jermaine Lawrence playing really well right now.”
“@jeffborzello: If only Jermaine Lawrence brought it like this every game... He's being aggressive, finishing everything, hitting mid-range, running floor.”
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All the folks covering his games this weekend note his increased aggression and commitment. Obviously a must get for SJU!
“@NBESports: New Rens 17U bigs Jermaine Lawrence and Kentan Fancey are blocking everything inside. SEBL's Tyrek Coger can't get anything going #HGJamfest”
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This kid could really blow up this summer. Seems like he has way more than top 70 talent. I hope the staff is all over him.
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This kid could really blow up this summer. Seems like he has way more than top 70 talent. I hope the staff is all over him.
Is blowing up g!! Perimiter shooting becoming a real plus!
“@BFlinnFuture150: Jermaine Lawrence with a step back three, this kid is fatastic #HGJamfest”
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Grades good enough to skip senior year?
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On the case!
“@TheRecruitScoop: Kansas & Memphis now recruiting Chris McCullough, a 2014 forward from Team Scan (NY). UConn, St. John's & Villanova saw him this weekend.”
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“@TheHoopGroup: JerME Lawrence @mainestory44 lead for New Rens with 26. He's hearing from Miami, Cincy, Rutgers, VaTech, Pitt & St Johns”
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Have we offered this dude? Lets just get him already
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He is also filling out physically, quite a stud. Agree with you Marco. Am sure staff sees him as the A priority for 2013.
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Lawrence's outside shooting improving as well!
“@AdamZagoria: Hearing @Wiry_J had 26 with 6 3's tonight for the NY Wrens as they won 61-59 in OT”
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Lawrence's outside shooting improving as well!
“@AdamZagoria: Hearing @Wiry_J had 26 with 6 3's tonight for the NY Wrens as they won 61-59 in OT”
Good god
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Lawrence's outside shooting improving as well!
“@AdamZagoria: Hearing @Wiry_J had 26 with 6 3's tonight for the NY Wrens as they won 61-59 in OT”
Good god
Hey moose I might call a stailmate and go Lawrence out right 1 and severe 2. But with 6 3's I wanna see him end up somewhere in the 30's. Still want to see that consistent inside game. That's what I hate so much about this generation of bigs they fall in love with the perimeter way to much instead of just flirting with it from time to time.
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Lawrence's outside shooting improving as well!
“@AdamZagoria: Hearing @Wiry_J had 26 with 6 3's tonight for the NY Wrens as they won 61-59 in OT”
Good god
Hey moose I might call a stailmate and go Lawrence out right 1 and severe 2. But with 6 3's I wanna see him end up somewhere in the 30's. Still want to see that consistent inside game. That's what I hate so much about this generation of bigs they fall in love with the perimeter way to much instead of just flirting with it from time to time.
I hear ya. All the tapes I've seen had him down low. This is new to me hearing about his desire to shoot.
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Lawrence's outside shooting improving as well!
“@AdamZagoria: Hearing @Wiry_J had 26 with 6 3's tonight for the NY Wrens as they won 61-59 in OT”
Good god
Hey moose I might call a stailmate and go Lawrence out right 1 and severe 2. But with 6 3's I wanna see him end up somewhere in the 30's. Still want to see that consistent inside game. That's what I hate so much about this generation of bigs they fall in love with the perimeter way to much instead of just flirting with it from time to time.
I hear ya. All the tapes I've seen had him down low. This is new to me hearing about his desire to shoot.
Don't get me wrong I love the improvement. Would like to see us lock him up early !
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I want Lawrence and Severe in this class
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I want Lawrence and Severe in this class
Right on the money baldi!
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Severe or Terrell I'd be more then pleased with. Or turner for that matter
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I want Lawrence and Severe in this class
Right on the money baldi!
As always Chilleb!
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Severe or Terrell I'd be more then pleased with. Or turner for that matter
Isn't Terrell 14?
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Severe or Terrell I'd be more then pleased with. Or turner for that matter
Isn't Terrell 14?
Yeah but we wouldn't take guards in both years right. Would we?
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Severe or Terrell I'd be more then pleased with. Or turner for that matter
Isn't Terrell 14?
Yeah but we wouldn't take guards in both years right. Would we?
Gotcha I thought you were saying either one in 13
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All signs are pointing to Lawrence as being top priority for 2013...and you KNOW the staff is going to be selling Mo's success to him...
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This should please Chilleb! Personally ability to stroke from deep is great, but agree staff will have to set priorities.
“@DanielJMartin_: Jermaine Lawrence is lighting it up from 3 again today. Really trying to fit into that Kris Joseph mold, working game out toward perimeter.”
“@JonRothstein: No player looks the part of a pro like Jermaine Lawrence. Just oozes potential, has all the attributes of a high major player. Big time.”
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This should please Chilleb! Personally ability to stroke from deep is great, but agree staff will have to set priorities.
“@DanielJMartin_: Jermaine Lawrence is lighting it up from 3 again today. Really trying to fit into that Kris Joseph mold, working game out toward perimeter.”
“@JonRothstein: No player looks the part of a pro like Jermaine Lawrence. Just oozes potential, has all the attributes of a high major player. Big time.”
Let's cut the crap and lock him up already !
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This should please Chilleb! Personally ability to stroke from deep is great, but agree staff will have to set priorities.
“@DanielJMartin_: Jermaine Lawrence is lighting it up from 3 again today. Really trying to fit into that Kris Joseph mold, working game out toward perimeter.”
“@JonRothstein: No player looks the part of a pro like Jermaine Lawrence. Just oozes potential, has all the attributes of a high major player. Big time.”
Let's cut the crap and lock him up already !
Rest assured all of his suitors will tell him he will get time at the wing, knowing his newly acquired affinity for 3s and his probable NBA fantasy. Frankly, to get him, I could say that. Ha!
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Offers: Cincy, St. John's, Rutgers, Cuse, Pitt, UConn, Temple, Nova, Hofstra, Fordham, SHU, Miami & Louisville
http://twitter.com/TheRecruitScoop/status/196282281629986816 (http://twitter.com/TheRecruitScoop/status/196282281629986816)
Interest: Kansas, Iowa State, Georgetown, Marquette, South Florida, UCLA, UVA, WVU, South Carolina & UNC
http://twitter.com/TheRecruitScoop/status/196282702129922048 (http://twitter.com/TheRecruitScoop/status/196282702129922048)
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Lavin doesn't tend to miss on kids he really wants. Jermaine is priority no. 1 for SJU.
http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/04/28/jermaine-lawrence-is-close-to-being-unguardable/#more-72424 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/04/28/jermaine-lawrence-is-close-to-being-unguardable/#more-72424)
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Lavin doesn't tend to miss on kids he really wants. Jermaine is priority no. 1 for SJU.
http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/04/28/jermaine-lawrence-is-close-to-being-unguardable/#more-72424 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/04/28/jermaine-lawrence-is-close-to-being-unguardable/#more-72424)
As well he should be. I don't think Lavin minds going into 2013 with only 1 or 2 ships if he can sign the kids he wants to this year. Right now IMO, Lavin is in the driver's seat where he just has to close out this class with a big guy or two, but shortly after, focus goes to Lawrence and McCullough and a few other guys.
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Is Lawrence 6'10 now?? That's what zags called him in that article.
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Is Lawrence 6'10 now?? That's what zags called him in that article.
Moose doing measurements on all 2013, 2014 and 2015 kids today in the parking lot of Yankee Stadium.
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Is Lawrence 6'10 now?? That's what zags called him in that article.
Moose doing measurements on all 2013, 2014 and 2015 kids today in the parking lot of Yankee Stadium.
LOL
Hopefully Jermaine is influenced by Mo Hark. If Lawrence stays home and puts on for his boro, he will go to the league. How sweet would that be?
Hammer to rock. Lock him up, Lavin!
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Sunday action
“@DanielJMartin_: Jermaine Lawrence three with under a minute left proves to be the game-winner. New RENs moves on, 60-59. #HGJamfest”
“@TheRecruitScoop: UConn, Hofstra, Rutgers & Temple's Fran Dunphy watching 2013 New Rens (NY) forwards Jermaine Lawrence & Kentan Facey play at #HGJamFest”
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Anyone know much about Jason Hasson, Lawrence's new HS coach? He seems to be front and center in his recruitment. Zags noted he coached Tyreke Evans, not sure if that is good or bad. BTW, Self spending a lot of time looking at Jermaine. it would be nice to edge him out again and best the Cuse as well. Obviously, this kid is a huge recruit for us.
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Funny how we no longer quake in our boots when the big names show interest in the guys we are recuiting. God bless Norm... But Hail to Lavin (and staff)!!!
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Anyone know much about Jason Hasson, Lawrence's new HS coach? He seems to be front and center in his recruitment. Zags noted he coached Tyreke Evans, not sure if that is good or bad. BTW, Self spending a lot of time looking at Jermaine. it would be nice to edge him out again and best the Cuse as well. Obviously, this kid is a huge recruit for us.
He's a good dude. Spent a good amount of time with him in New Orleans at the Final Four.
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Lavin doesn't tend to miss on kids he really wants. Jermaine is priority no. 1 for SJU.
http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/04/28/jermaine-lawrence-is-close-to-being-unguardable/#more-72424 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/04/28/jermaine-lawrence-is-close-to-being-unguardable/#more-72424)
As well he should be. I don't think Lavin minds going into 2013 with only 1 or 2 ships if he can sign the kids he wants to this year. Right now IMO, Lavin is in the driver's seat where he just has to close out this class with a big guy or two, but shortly after, focus goes to Lawrence and McCullough and a few other guys.
New toys are always great, but this is basketball, not nintendo. Sophmores really are better than freshmen. Just a fact. I mean, I'm psyched to have Jakarr onboard, but I'd trade him in a heartbeat to have Moe back for his soph season, and worry about replacing Moe (or in another sense, Jakarr) next year with a 2013 prospect.
What I'm saying is if we give out all the rides to kids we WANT this year, the worst case scenario is that we have go play with them all NEXT year when they're a season BETTER than they'll be this year - except for the one sure departure in the eligibility depleted Gift. Extra rides next year would be nice, and some of the kids that might fill those rides look "pretty good". But if we're "stuck" with a roster of 12 Sophs and Juniors with 2 and 3 years in the program for the 2014 season (assuming one of them is that elusive last Big we have yet to sign here in 2012), I've really got no problem with that. They'll be other "pretty good" kids in the 2014 and 2015 recruiting classes. Now, if we were looking at top 10 ranked kids for next year - if a Jabari Parker or a Julius Randle, or an Andrew Harrison were interested, that's a different story - you ALWAYS take a top 10 talent. But we've GOT top 30-100 talent and JC All Americans who are just going to improve with age and experience.
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Now, if we were looking at top 10 ranked kids for next year - if a Jabari Parker or a Julius Randle, or an Andrew Harrison were interested, that's a different story - you ALWAYS take a top 10 talent. But we've GOT top 30-100 talent and JC All Americans who are just going to improve with age and experience.
Someone should correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the thing about Lawrence is that he was underrated by Rivals, etc. to begin with, and eventually will jump to top 10 or close to it when all is said and done.
Plus the fact that he's local is why we all have him as a priority.
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Now, if we were looking at top 10 ranked kids for next year - if a Jabari Parker or a Julius Randle, or an Andrew Harrison were interested, that's a different story - you ALWAYS take a top 10 talent. But we've GOT top 30-100 talent and JC All Americans who are just going to improve with age and experience.
Someone should correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the thing about Lawrence is that he was underrated by Rivals, etc. to begin with, and eventually will jump to top 10 or close to it when all is said and done.
Plus the fact that he's local is why we all have him as a priority.
Sorry, wasn't clear. It was a general lament - not specific to one player only - I was assuming Lawrence gets the open Gift ride.
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Anyone know much about Jason Hasson, Lawrence's new HS coach? He seems to be front and center in his recruitment. Zags noted he coached Tyreke Evans, not sure if that is good or bad. BTW, Self spending a lot of time looking at Jermaine. it would be nice to edge him out again and best the Cuse as well. Obviously, this kid is a huge recruit for us.
He's a good dude. Spent a good amount of time with him in New Orleans at the Final Four.
Thx Dave, good to know. Heard you guys did a great job this weekend!
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Blowing up coast to coast!
“@DanielJMartin_: From @CBTonNBC: After Jermaine Lawrence's big weekend in Philly, word of his potential is spreading westward http://t.co/C5evecJc (http://t.co/C5evecJc)”
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Great summary with references to Lawrence, Whitehead and Facey. Like comment about Whitehead's mom wanting him perhaps to stay local. Tip of hat to Tony Chiles, so valuable!!!
“@AdamZagoria: Philly Hoop Group Jam Fest Recruiting Rundown: Here is a breakdown of the top performers from the event and their ... http://t.co/5m6SLXnB (http://t.co/5m6SLXnB)”
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Great summary with references to Lawrence, Whitehead and Facey. Like comment about Whitehead's mom wanting him perhaps to stay local. Tip of hat to Tony Chiles, so valuable!!!
“@AdamZagoria: Philly Hoop Group Jam Fest Recruiting Rundown: Here is a breakdown of the top performers from the event and their ... http://t.co/5m6SLXnB (http://t.co/5m6SLXnB)”
The Mom is definitely a factor keeping him local.
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Great summary with references to Lawrence, Whitehead and Facey. Like comment about Whitehead's mom wanting him perhaps to stay local. Tip of hat to Tony Chiles, so valuable!!!
“@AdamZagoria: Philly Hoop Group Jam Fest Recruiting Rundown: Here is a breakdown of the top performers from the event and their ... http://t.co/5m6SLXnB (http://t.co/5m6SLXnB)”
Also I never got confirmation on this or anything but is unsigned senior Andre Horne from Delaware related to Paris?
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Great summary with references to Lawrence, Whitehead and Facey. Like comment about Whitehead's mom wanting him perhaps to stay local. Tip of hat to Tony Chiles, so valuable!!!
“@AdamZagoria: Philly Hoop Group Jam Fest Recruiting Rundown: Here is a breakdown of the top performers from the event and their ... http://t.co/5m6SLXnB (http://t.co/5m6SLXnB)”
Also I never got confirmation on this or anything but is unsigned senior Andre Horne from Delaware related to Paris?
Maybe a cousin or something but its not his brother
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Norm on the case!
“@TheRecruitScoop: Kansas & Florida have offered Jermaine Lawrence, a 2013 forward from New Rens (NY), per a source.”
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Wonder what his Rens team will be doing this summer. I don't know much about the Rens, just heard from some other knowledgable posters they were an old program that hit the skids and are now rebounding.
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Wonder what his Rens team will be doing this summer. I don't know much about the Rens, just heard from some other knowledgable posters they were an old program that hit the skids and are now rebounding.
Would love to see them! if you or anyone has info, let me know. Thx!
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Wonder what his Rens team will be doing this summer. I don't know much about the Rens, just heard from some other knowledgable posters they were an old program that hit the skids and are now rebounding.
schedule on web site
http://therens.org/ (http://therens.org/)
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Wonder what his Rens team will be doing this summer. I don't know much about the Rens, just heard from some other knowledgable posters they were an old program that hit the skids and are now rebounding.
schedule on web site
http://therens.org/ (http://therens.org/)
Snazzy site. Good to see they are at the Rumble. I will check them out there.
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Comments on Facey as well. Jermaine's length, as per photo, is rediculous.
“@ECoastBias: #stjbb recruiting update: interest rising in 2013 forwards Kentan Facey, Jermaine Lawrence http://t.co/OE5261bX (http://t.co/OE5261bX)”
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“@jeffborzello: And my cover today ... Spring Forward: 12 players who raised their stock during the April live period: http://t.co/ZdYsxtRD (http://t.co/ZdYsxtRD)”
Jermaine blowing up!
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“@jeffborzello: And my cover today ... Spring Forward: 12 players who raised their stock during the April live period: http://t.co/ZdYsxtRD (http://t.co/ZdYsxtRD)”
Jermaine blowing up!
Yep. all of you knew he would if he plays the whole way. Good for Jermaine - I hope he feels he fits in at St. John's.
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@JonRothstein
Everything is effortless for Jermaine Lawrence. When he decides he wants to score, the ball is going in the basket. Big time talent.
@JonRothstein
Legit. Rutgers and Cincy also strong @gregschneider: STJ chances for Jermaine Lawrence?
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Savino quite a valuable assistant coach at Cinci!
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“@AdamZagoria: Lawrence Wins MVP at Mary Kline, Recruiting Heating Up... http://t.co/whvLCB1z (http://t.co/whvLCB1z) @mainestory44 @Coachhasson”
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Savino quite a valuable assistant coach at Cinci!
Heard tonight that cincy is really really strong with Jermaine .
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Savino quite a valuable assistant coach at Cinci!
Heard tonight that cincy is really really strong with Jermaine .
I can't see Lawrence at Cincy. Once we start winning Lavin will ABC it. Hopefully Moe goes high first round!
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Cincy is seriously starting to piss me off.
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Savino quite a valuable assistant coach at Cinci!
Heard tonight that cincy is really really strong with Jermaine .
I can't see Lawrence at Cincy. Once we start winning Lavin will ABC it. Hopefully Moe goes high first round!
Article notes we "remain in it"Long way to go, but don't underestimate Savino and Cronin IMO.
Lawrence's meteoric rise continues with Mary Kline Classic MVP - NYPOST.com http://nyp.st/JLWSAn (http://nyp.st/JLWSAn) via @newyorkpost
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I do not blame Cronin and company for going after our potential recruits. That is college BB recruitment. We need to offer somethings that Cincy and the others do not have.
We will be underdogs to get Jermaine, as he will be a highly sought after recruit by not only Cincy, but by the top BB schools. We need to have a strong showing this upcoming season. Not only does our team need to win, but they need to be exciting. Recruits look for both qualities.
We had a down year last season due mainly to Coach's illness. He and the team need to demonstrate that we are the place to be. Afterall, we have Coach and his great staff, a good team chemistry, and MSG.
It would also help if Coach pulls in Chris O.
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I do not blame Cronin and company for going after our potential recruits. That is college BB recruitment. We need to offer somethings that Cincy and the others do not have.
We will be underdogs to get Jermaine, as he will be a highly sought after recruit by not only Cincy, but by the top BB schools. We need to have a strong showing this upcoming season. Not only does our team need to win, but they need to be exciting. Recruits look for both qualities.
We had a down year last season due mainly to Coach's illness. He and the team need to demonstrate that we are the place to be. Afterall, we have Coach and his great staff, a good team chemistry, and MSG.
It would also help if Coach pulls in Chris O.
The illness had nothing to do with our down season. We lost our ENTIRE team after NCAA appearance. Even if everyone had qualified, we would still have not made the tournament.
We almost have a full roster, I expect to battling for an NCAA bid.
Trust me when things are going well, Cincinnati despite Cronin and Savino will have nothing on us.
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Savino quite a valuable assistant coach at Cinci!
Not as strong as us.
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Savino quite a valuable assistant coach at Cinci!
Not as strong as us.
Good, let's keep working!!!!
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Does anyone have a sense of if Lawrence is the type of kid who will be easily persuaded by some of the big programs trying to get involved with him? Sometimes a kid who's only visited Rutgers and Cinncinnati can get wowed pretty easily when the UCLAs and Kansases start calling,
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Does anyone have a sense of if Lawrence is the type of kid who will be easily persuaded by some of the big programs trying to get involved with him? Sometimes a kid who's only visited Rutgers and Cinncinnati can get wowed pretty easily when the UCLAs and Kansases start calling,
It looks like everyone is going to want this kid. From all accounts, he is that good. Rothstein was gushing about him. It will basically come down to whether he wants to stay home or go away. He could probably pick any school he wants.
You would probably not be human if you don't get persuaded by the UCLA's and UK's when you compare to Cincy and RU, and STJ, to a certain extent.
Lets hope he wants to play where he's home, plays at MSG, our style of ball, and tons of PT ( he'll get there anywhere though).
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Does anyone have a sense of if Lawrence is the type of kid who will be easily persuaded by some of the big programs trying to get involved with him? Sometimes a kid who's only visited Rutgers and Cinncinnati can get wowed pretty easily when the UCLAs and Kansases start calling,
It looks like everyone is going to want this kid. From all accounts, he is that good. Rothstein was gushing about him. It will basically come down to whether he wants to stay home or go away. He could probably pick any school he wants.
You would probably not be human if you don't get persuaded by the UCLA's and UK's when you compare to Cincy and RU, and STJ, to a certain extent.
Lets hope he wants to play where he's home, plays at MSG, our style of ball, and tons of PT ( he'll get there anywhere though).
NYC takes a backseat to nowhere, imo. MSG is a fantastic home venue. Lavin has already proven that he can recruit with anyone and our staff is second to none.
The only thing lacking is a better fanbase---including the belief that we are as attractive a destination as just about any other school. I can't wait until every game at MSG is a sea of red.
http://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?p=youtube+st+johns+pitt (http://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?p=youtube+st+johns+pitt)
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Like I said... It comes down to whether he wants to stay home or not. The kid is from Long Island. He's probably been to MSG a million times. He knows the deal.
Whether I, as a fan, believe STJ is a top notch destination for a college student, is of zero consequence.
Thankfully we have Lavin. As we witnessed under the last regime, STJ and MSG do not recruit themselves. You need a true salesman. We have that now.
How many STJ students, athletes in particular, spend a ton of time in the city anyway?( I'm truly asking the question, I'm curious as to the answer) Besides playing games at MSG. It's super expensive. Plus, at least when i was 18-20 years old, I couldn't give a rat's ass about culture or museums, and stuff like that. I was looking to get drunk and chase skirt...
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I doubt that Jermaine drinks due to religious beliefs---as well as age. As for chasing tail, all religions forbid it; all fail at preventing it. Jermaine is from Queens, so there is no novelty in playing here but NYC is still a great place to live even if you don't care about museums and culture.
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Like I said... It comes down to whether he wants to stay home or not. The kid is from Long Island. He's probably been to MSG a million times. He knows the deal.
Whether I, as a fan, believe STJ is a top notch destination for a college student, is of zero consequence.
Thankfully we have Lavin. As we witnessed under the last regime, STJ and MSG do not recruit themselves. You need a true salesman. We have that now.
How many STJ students, athletes in particular, spend a ton of time in the city anyway?( I'm truly asking the question, I'm curious as to the answer) Besides playing games at MSG. It's super expensive. Plus, at least when i was 18-20 years old, I couldn't give a rat's ass about culture or museums, and stuff like that. I was looking to get drunk and chase skirt...
Jermaine is not from Long Island.. Once the staff wraps up 2012.. I'm pretty sure he will be priority #1
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How many STJ students, athletes in particular, spend a ton of time in the city anyway?
I've always wondered that myself, since I didn't go to St. John's. In the past I took the subway from West 4th to the closest stop to St. John's and walked awhile to check out some CHSAA playoff games, but do car-less students actually go through the hassle of getting to Manhattan on a regular basis? Or is it more likely that they'd just hop in a car and go to Bell Boulevard? Is that even a happening strip anymore? (I'm many years out of college and on the West Coast now.)
I'd imagine basketball players spend a lot of their time practicing and not much time partying far from campus.
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Alexes Hargrove, a friend of the family helping in Lawrence's recruitment, said he will cut his list to five at some point in August. Lawrence said he has no favorites, but Cincinnati assistant Darren Savino has made a major push.
"Darren has been at every game, almost everywhere Jermaine has been," Hargrove said. "Either him or [head coach] Mick Cronin show up to support Jermaine."
After watching Lawrence in Philadelphia, UNLV told Hargrove they plan to be around a lot in the coming months. Rutgers has been involved with Lawrence since he came of age at Cardozo, with Van Macon consistently checking in, Hargrove said. St. John's was one of the first major Division I programs to offer Lawrence and they remain a factor as well.
Lawrence said location won't play a role in his commitment. He is looking for a team which plays an up-tempo style, can offer his immediate minutes and he feels comfortable at.
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/high_school/basketball/lawrence_meteoric_rise_continued_CcnnZSTbdBSrpSHbcH7EWL?utm_medium=rss&utm_content=Basketball (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/high_school/basketball/lawrence_meteoric_rise_continued_CcnnZSTbdBSrpSHbcH7EWL?utm_medium=rss&utm_content=Basketball)
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Really developing. Quite a nice handle, not to mention deft touch recently. SJU full court press on Durant style player!
“@ECoastBias: Jermaine Lawrence shows the full skill set at Mary Kline Classic. #stjbb http://t.co/lCxotBQg (http://t.co/lCxotBQg)”
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Really developing. Quite a nice handle, not to mention deft touch recently. SJU full court press on Durant style player!
“@ECoastBias: Jermaine Lawrence shows the full skill set at Mary Kline Classic. #stjbb http://t.co/lCxotBQg (http://t.co/lCxotBQg)”
incredible i saw this kid twice this year at cardoza and he didnt look half as good in that 2 minute video. he didnt even look like he was capable to put the ball on the floor that well any time soon for that matter. what a dramatic jump in such a short period of time. now i see what all the buzz is about he has improved tremendously !!! ive been watching this kid since he was playing jv in 9th grade and i must say ive never been more blown away in 2 minutes then i just was. the air must be a lot better up there in jersey. lol
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Really developing. Quite a nice handle, not to mention deft touch recently. SJU full court press on Durant style player!
“@ECoastBias: Jermaine Lawrence shows the full skill set at Mary Kline Classic. #stjbb http://t.co/lCxotBQg (http://t.co/lCxotBQg)”
incredible i saw this kid twice this year at cardoza and he didnt look half as good in that 2 minute video. he didnt even look like he was capable to put the ball on the floor that well any time soon for that matter. what a dramatic jump in such a short period of time. now i see what all the buzz is about he has improved tremendously !!! ive been watching this kid since he was playing jv in 9th grade and i must say ive never been more blown away in 2 minutes then i just was. the air must be a lot better up there in jersey. lol
Chileb... You ain't kidding.. The improvement is amazing.. 3 months ago I was talking to a recruiting guy who used the words soft and not a program changer in reference to Lawrence.. After watching the Kline classic last weekend the only word that came out of his mouth was PRO !! Stunning the turnaround with his game.
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Really developing. Quite a nice handle, not to mention deft touch recently. SJU full court press on Durant style player!
“@ECoastBias: Jermaine Lawrence shows the full skill set at Mary Kline Classic. #stjbb http://t.co/lCxotBQg (http://t.co/lCxotBQg)”
incredible i saw this kid twice this year at cardoza and he didnt look half as good in that 2 minute video. he didnt even look like he was capable to put the ball on the floor that well any time soon for that matter. what a dramatic jump in such a short period of time. now i see what all the buzz is about he has improved tremendously !!! ive been watching this kid since he was playing jv in 9th grade and i must say ive never been more blown away in 2 minutes then i just was. the air must be a lot better up there in jersey. lol
Chileb... You ain't kidding.. The improvement is amazing.. 3 months ago I was talking to a recruiting guy who used the words soft and not a program changer in reference to Lawrence.. After watching the Kline classic last weekend the only word that came out of his mouth was PRO !! Stunning the turnaround with his game.
That's a credit to Lavin.
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“@NYPost_Brazille: have heard sju has fallen behind RT @JonRothstein: Word is Rutgers, St. John's, and Cincinnati are all in strong ... http://t.co/aAx5TBqG (http://t.co/aAx5TBqG)”
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“@NYPost_Brazille: have heard sju has fallen behind RT @JonRothstein: Word is Rutgers, St. John's, and Cincinnati are all in strong ... http://t.co/aAx5TBqG (http://t.co/aAx5TBqG)”
Not good if true, we need to get back on that. No way Cincinnati & Rutgers should be beating us for someone that talented in our own backyard
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If the last two weekends put us behind with his new advisors then it is what it is. We have been all over him for a year and then his new people in NJ don't understand that we were hosting recruits factors into this and puts word on the street that we have fallen behind really disappoints me. I am not sure if any of the competition went to Europe to watch Jermaine like we did . This NJ contingent reminds me of Jason Smith.
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If the last two weekends put us behind with his new advisors then it is what it is. We have been all over him for a year and then his new people in NJ don't understand that we were hosting recruits factors into this and puts word on the street that we have fallen behind really disappoints me. I am not sure if any of the competition went to Europe to watch Jermaine like we did . This NJ contingent reminds me of Jason Smith.
It might be a little early for the Jason Smith stuff but regardless the Mom runs this show and we're in good with the Mom.
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If the last two weekends put us behind with his new advisors then it is what it is. We have been all over him for a year and then his new people in NJ don't understand that we were hosting recruits factors into this and puts word on the street that we have fallen behind really disappoints me. I am not sure if any of the competition went to Europe to watch Jermaine like we did . This NJ contingent reminds me of Jason Smith.
It might be a little early for the Jason Smith stuff but regardless the Mom runs this show and we're in good with the Mom.
Zach of NY Post a good guy and well informed. That said, I think his comment is reflective of street chatter. I believe this will be a dog fight, but am confident staff will prevail. On another note, Savino is really giving Cinci access to NY.
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If the last two weekends put us behind with his new advisors then it is what it is. We have been all over him for a year and then his new people in NJ don't understand that we were hosting recruits factors into this and puts word on the street that we have fallen behind really disappoints me. I am not sure if any of the competition went to Europe to watch Jermaine like we did . This NJ contingent reminds me of Jason Smith.
It might be a little early for the Jason Smith stuff but regardless the Mom runs this show and we're in good with the Mom.
Zach of NY Post a good guy and well informed. That said, I think his comment is reflective of street chatter. I believe this will be a dog fight, but am confident staff will prevail. On another note, Savino is really giving Cinci access to NY.
$avino Who? lol Just Kidding
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If the last two weekends put us behind with his new advisors then it is what it is. We have been all over him for a year and then his new people in NJ don't understand that we were hosting recruits factors into this and puts word on the street that we have fallen behind really disappoints me. I am not sure if any of the competition went to Europe to watch Jermaine like we did . This NJ contingent reminds me of Jason Smith.
It might be a little early for the Jason Smith stuff but regardless the Mom runs this show and we're in good with the Mom.
Zach of NY Post a good guy and well informed. That said, I think his comment is reflective of street chatter. I believe this will be a dog fight, but am confident staff will prevail. On another note, Savino is really giving Cinci access to NY.
Bingo. Lot being made of SJU not participating heavily in the just added two April weekends of live recruiting because SJU was still hosting visits for 2012 recruits.
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“@NYPost_Brazille: have heard sju has fallen behind RT @JonRothstein: Word is Rutgers, St. John's, and Cincinnati are all in strong ... http://t.co/aAx5TBqG (http://t.co/aAx5TBqG)”
Calm down, it's still early and many of the biggies are going to come courting. What I'm hearing is his favorite color is red, just not Rutgers red.
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What I'm hearing is his favorite color is red, just not Rutgers red.
But are we red or black? ;)
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Have heard he is somewhat of a homebody which seems to jive with us or Rutgers.
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Rutgers in fact leading for Lawrence had a long conversation with a top tier source. Lavins health still a lingering issue with recruits. Don't shoot me im just the messenger.
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What I'm hearing is his favorite color is red, just not Rutgers red.
But are we red or black? ;)
Cincy red?
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What I'm hearing is his favorite color is red, just not Rutgers red.
But are we red or black? ;)
Cincy red?
Rutgers leading, news hot off the press
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Rutgers in fact leading for Lawrence had a long conversation with a top tier source. Lavins health still a lingering issue with recruits. Don't shoot me im just the messenger.
0 players from New York in our team doesn´t help.
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Rutgers in fact leading for Lawrence had a long conversation with a top tier source. Lavins health still a lingering issue with recruits. Don't shoot me im just the messenger.
0 players from New York in our team doesn´t help.
Why would it make a difference? Our one NYC kid is getting drafted in the first round of the NBA draft soon. If kids would rather play in the RAC for that nut Rice, I don't know what else to tell them.
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And fwiw, no one player going to break us. We have a great core roster. If it isn't Lermaine Lawrence it will be some other top kid. I for one would looove to land Lawrence and certainly think he should be a huge priority for 2013, but we're not going to be behind the 8-ball any more. Only way for Lavin to quell lingering negative recruiting efforts about his health is to get on the court and coach. I was concerned when Lawrence blindsided Naclerio by leaving Cardozo. That concern was warranted.
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And fwiw, no one player going to break us. We have a great core roster. If it isn't Lermaine Lawrence it will be some other top kid. I for one would looove to land Lawrence and certainly think he should be a huge priority for 2013, but we're not going to be behind the 8-ball any more. Only way for Lavin to quell lingering negative recruiting efforts about his health is to get on the court and coach. I was concerned when Lawrence blindsided Naclerio by leaving Cardozo. That concern was warranted.
Totally agree. We need Steve in the worst way and a solid season. Last year was a wash to me.
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Rutgers in fact leading for Lawrence had a long conversation with a top tier source. Lavins health still a lingering issue with recruits. Don't shoot me im just the messenger.
0 players from New York in our team doesn´t help.
We have Felix Balamou. NY high school bball can go F themselves. They all suck.
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NY high school bball can go F themselves. They all suck.
Sad, but true. You can't really stack a program with NYC players reight now. You have to recruit nationwide, which Lavin is able to do, while trying to keep the occassional NYC gem like Moe or Jermaine. Right now, Chicago is cocsistently producing top notch talent. Carolina, Atlanta, Texas and Cali are all producing more talent than NYC.
Edit: I forgot to mention Jersey.
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NY high school bball can go F themselves. They all suck.
Sad, but true. You can't really stack a program with NYC players reight now. You have to recruit nationwide, which Lavin is able to do, while trying to keep the occassional NYC gem like Moe or Jermaine. Right now, Chicago is cocsistently producing top notch talent. Carolina, Atlanta, Texas and Cali are all producing more talent than NYC.
Edit: I forgot to mention Jersey.
There are plenty of NYC kids but they are not playing in public schools or even catholic league for that matter.
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NY high school bball can go F themselves. They all suck.
Sad, but true. You can't really stack a program with NYC players reight now. You have to recruit nationwide, which Lavin is able to do, while trying to keep the occassional NYC gem like Moe or Jermaine. Right now, Chicago is cocsistently producing top notch talent. Carolina, Atlanta, Texas and Cali are all producing more talent than NYC.
Edit: I forgot to mention Jersey.
California? Polee, Pelle ... No thanks.
Two recent facts:
West Virginia won the 2010 Big East Tournament. The five starters were from NY and NJ.
3 members of the NCAA All-Tournament of this season were from NY and NJ.
We need players from New York and New Jersey.
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NY high school bball can go F themselves. They all suck.
Sad, but true. You can't really stack a program with NYC players reight now. You have to recruit nationwide, which Lavin is able to do, while trying to keep the occassional NYC gem like Moe or Jermaine. Right now, Chicago is cocsistently producing top notch talent. Carolina, Atlanta, Texas and Cali are all producing more talent than NYC.
Edit: I forgot to mention Jersey.
California? Polee, Pelle ... No thanks.
Two recent facts:
West Virginia won the 2010 Big East Tournament. The five starters were from NY and NJ.
3 members of the NCAA All-Tournament of this season were from NY and NJ.
We need players from New York and New Jersey.
We need a few players from ny/NJ and we are/will get them. We need kids that càn play period. I'd take 13 D'Lo's and he's from Texas.
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NY high school bball can go F themselves. They all suck.
Sad, but true. You can't really stack a program with NYC players reight now. You have to recruit nationwide, which Lavin is able to do, while trying to keep the occassional NYC gem like Moe or Jermaine. Right now, Chicago is cocsistently producing top notch talent. Carolina, Atlanta, Texas and Cali are all producing more talent than NYC.
Edit: I forgot to mention Jersey.
California? Polee, Pelle ... No thanks.
Two recent facts:
West Virginia won the 2010 Big East Tournament. The five starters were from NY and NJ.
3 members of the NCAA All-Tournament of this season were from NY and NJ.
We need players from New York and New Jersey.
We need a few players from ny/NJ and we are/will get them. We need kids that càn play period. I'd take 13 D'Lo's and he's from Texas.
Who cares where the players come from.
California has a ton of players, many of them just find NYC too far from home.
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It seems like most kids want to get away from nyc, wheather its prep or college. But i feel we can get kids who want to expierence nyc like Jakarr and D'lo and thats fine with me since it would be hard to find a better player from nyc area at those positions the last 2 yrs ( except for Moe who we landed anyway).
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What I'm hearing is his favorite color is red, just not Rutgers red.
But are we red or black? ;)
Cincy red?
No
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California? Polee, Pelle ... No thanks.
Two recent facts:
West Virginia won the 2010 Big East Tournament. The five starters were from NY and NJ.
3 members of the NCAA All-Tournament of this season were from NY and NJ.
We need players from New York and New Jersey.
Cali puts out many great players. You mention two but ignore the many others. Even the two you selected, one is good and the other was a great HS player who can't get on a college court because of academics.
As for WV, were those NYC players. Ebanks was but the rest were from outside of NYC.
NYc puts out a great HS player every couple of years. There are good players such as Landesberg but how often do we see a Moe, Lance (as he was in HS), or Ebanks? I live in NYc so I just try to follow the buzz about a kid and it doesn't happen often. Kids like Galan and Hall are good players but if you don't follow HS ball, you will never catch wind of their existence.
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Rutgers in fact leading for Lawrence had a long conversation with a top tier source. Lavins health still a lingering issue with recruits. Don't shoot me im just the messenger.
0 players from New York in our team doesn´t help.
Gonzalo?
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When talking about Lawrence yesterday the amount of city staff and players def mattered and favored rutgers
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When talking about Lawrence yesterday the amount of city staff and players def mattered and favored rutgers
Who from the City does rutgers even have on their staff ? Van Macon ? I don't even think they have anyone else.
We have Chiles and Hicks and Chiles has been on Lawrence for a long time
Personally I can't even understand that argument ( I'm not saying you are wrong in what you heard ) I just don't understand the people that are saying that.
As far as city players as was mentioned we had the best nyc player between both the teams and he will be in the nba after 1 year under our staff.
We also have the better talent of the 2 teams. Anyway it is what it is. Lavin is going to be back on the sidelines in just a few months and any more talk about his health will be put to rest ( I thought it already was but I guess people will say anything to recruits )
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Rutgers in fact leading for Lawrence had a long conversation with a top tier source. Lavins health still a lingering issue with recruits. Don't shoot me im just the messenger.
0 players from New York in our team doesn´t help.
Why would number of NY players matter, the kid ran away from NYC to Jersey. We have a good year with Lavin on the sidelines and things will sort themselves out with recruits. I don't worry a lick about Rutgers in a recruiting battle ever.
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"city" people have a very short memory. And because our staff did not see Jermaine during the 2 open period weekends they are now insinuating that we have dropped back and Rutgers who was there leads. That's all I'm really going to say about 'city' people right now.
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Guys I'm just the messenger and I'm in agreement with our side of the argument and i feel that our staff should be aggressive in stating these facts. However this was no fly by night source I spoke with. They have direct daily access to the rutgers camp and these are the things he passed along to me. I'm just bringing it back to the team. Ididnt agree with it either buy the truth is the truth and from the sounds of it mike rice has a nack for promising the world to potential recruits
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Guys I'm just the messenger and I'm in agreement with our side of the argument and i feel that our staff should be aggressive in stating these facts. However this was no fly by night source I spoke with. They have direct daily access to the rutgers camp and these are the things he passed along to me. I'm just bringing it back to the team. Ididnt agree with it either buy the truth is the truth and from the sounds of it mike rice has a nack for promising the world to potential recruits
I know your just the messenger Chille. I don't doubt that city people are saying this stuff. The problem is the 'reason' they are saying things. They have a very short memory and they very much are 'what have you done for me lately'.
Rice might be promising the world to them. However then recruits watch him coach a game and see a psycho.
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And stuff like this is why we should be grateful that we're a national program under Lavin, and not a regional one.
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Rutgers in fact leading for Lawrence had a long conversation with a top tier source. Lavins health still a lingering issue with recruits. Don't shoot me im just the messenger.
0 players from New York in our team doesn´t help.
Gonzalo?
No.
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Guys I'm just the messenger and I'm in agreement with our side of the argument and i feel that our staff should be aggressive in stating these facts. However this was no fly by night source I spoke with. They have direct daily access to the rutgers camp and these are the things he passed along to me. I'm just bringing it back to the team. Ididnt agree with it either buy the truth is the truth and from the sounds of it mike rice has a nack for promising the world to potential recruits
I wasn't trying to attack you. Sorry if it came across that way. I just dont understand the logic behind the people who told you it
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With this kid's improvement, can't we expect getting him to be a challenge? It is my understanding that we have a good relationship with him and his mother. Lavin went to see him in Europe and Childs knows him well. All in all, we are in the hunt. Perhaps Rutgers has gained some momentum, but let's remember Lavin closed the recruitment deal for JaKarr in the face of tough competition, a strange HS coach and rumors about his health. In winning this battle, don't forget the family expressed great faith in Lavin and staff. Something tells me the same interpersonal skills of Coach L.,in conjunction with staff's capacity to develop NBA ready folks, will prevail in the end.
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Wow, what a surprise! The Rutgers people are talking up Rutgers and trying to talk down St. John's...Wow, I've never seen that before...Just like when we hear from Seton Hall people that Seton Hall is awesome and leading for everyone and they also try to talk down St. John's
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Chilleb, I don't doubt that you were told what you relayed to us. However, you indicate that it came from someone close to the Rutgers camp. Also, they indicate that Lavin's health remains an issue.
I don't doubt that Mike Rice would try to use Lavin's health issues---which by all accounts are behind him--- in his recruiting. He (Rice) seems like the type to do that (a bit Gonzo-like). I also don't doubt that the Rutgers people would try to hype up how strong they are with Lawrence, and try to leak that word out.
It doesn't mean that any of it is true.
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Chilleb, I don't doubt that you were told what you relayed to us. However, you indicate that it came from someone close to the Rutgers camp. Also, they indicate that Lavin's health remains an issue.
I don't doubt that Mike Rice would try to use Lavin's health issues---which by all accounts are behind him--- in his recruiting. He (Rice) seems like the type to do that (a bit Gonzo-like). I also don't doubt that the Rutgers people would try to hype up how strong they are with Lawrence, and try to leak that word out.
It doesn't mean that any of it is true.
It's a little early and off base to insinuate that Rice is using dirty recruitment tactics against coach Lavin. They were just at the coaches vs cancer event together and are friendly .
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Chilleb, I don't doubt that you were told what you relayed to us. However, you indicate that it came from someone close to the Rutgers camp. Also, they indicate that Lavin's health remains an issue.
I don't doubt that Mike Rice would try to use Lavin's health issues---which by all accounts are behind him--- in his recruiting. He (Rice) seems like the type to do that (a bit Gonzo-like). I also don't doubt that the Rutgers people would try to hype up how strong they are with Lawrence, and try to leak that word out.
It doesn't mean that any of it is true.
It's a little early and off base to insinuate that Rice is using dirty recruitment tactics against coach Lavin. They were just at the coaches vs cancer event together and are friendly .
Ok. I'll insinuate it in a few months.
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Chilleb, I don't doubt that you were told what you relayed to us. However, you indicate that it came from someone close to the Rutgers camp. Also, they indicate that Lavin's health remains an issue.
I don't doubt that Mike Rice would try to use Lavin's health issues---which by all accounts are behind him--- in his recruiting. He (Rice) seems like the type to do that (a bit Gonzo-like). I also don't doubt that the Rutgers people would try to hype up how strong they are with Lawrence, and try to leak that word out.
It doesn't mean that any of it is true.
It's a little early and off base to insinuate that Rice is using dirty recruitment tactics against coach Lavin. They were just at the coaches vs cancer event together and are friendly .
Ok. I'll insinuate it in a few months.
Based on??
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Chilleb, I don't doubt that you were told what you relayed to us. However, you indicate that it came from someone close to the Rutgers camp. Also, they indicate that Lavin's health remains an issue.
I don't doubt that Mike Rice would try to use Lavin's health issues---which by all accounts are behind him--- in his recruiting. He (Rice) seems like the type to do that (a bit Gonzo-like). I also don't doubt that the Rutgers people would try to hype up how strong they are with Lawrence, and try to leak that word out.
It doesn't mean that any of it is true.
It's a little early and off base to insinuate that Rice is using dirty recruitment tactics against coach Lavin. They were just at the coaches vs cancer event together and are friendly .
Ok. I'll insinuate it in a few months.
He's crazy, but I don't think he's sleazy. That's a Cal/Drew-type move
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Chilleb, I don't doubt that you were told what you relayed to us. However, you indicate that it came from someone close to the Rutgers camp. Also, they indicate that Lavin's health remains an issue.
I don't doubt that Mike Rice would try to use Lavin's health issues---which by all accounts are behind him--- in his recruiting. He (Rice) seems like the type to do that (a bit Gonzo-like). I also don't doubt that the Rutgers people would try to hype up how strong they are with Lawrence, and try to leak that word out.
It doesn't mean that any of it is true.
They never indicated that rice was using Lavins health as leverage. They said that Lawrence himself had reservations. The source just said rice could be hard to recruit against when the potential player is gullable
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As crazy as Rice is perceived to be, his reaction and response to that debacle in last years BE tournament ( Brownlee taking 19 steps and throwing ball into crowd) gave me a new found respect for him.
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As crazy as Rice is perceived to be, his reaction and response to that debacle in last years BE tournament ( Brownlee taking 19 steps and throwing ball into crowd) gave me a new found respect for him.
Agreed.
But then I watched him coach games last year and the psycho returned.
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As crazy as Rice is perceived to be, his reaction and response to that debacle in last years BE tournament ( Brownlee taking 19 steps and throwing ball into crowd) gave me a new found respect for him.
Agreed. I think hes a good coach. It all depends on if the players hes got can handle his attitude.
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Have heard from those who would know that Rice and his crazed sideline routine, and even some antics off the court, are rubbing the admin the wrong way.
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Have heard from those who would know that Rice and his crazed sideline routine, and even some antics off the court, are rubbing the admin the wrong way.
What off the court antics?
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Chilleb, I don't doubt that you were told what you relayed to us. However, you indicate that it came from someone close to the Rutgers camp. Also, they indicate that Lavin's health remains an issue.
I don't doubt that Mike Rice would try to use Lavin's health issues---which by all accounts are behind him--- in his recruiting. He (Rice) seems like the type to do that (a bit Gonzo-like). I also don't doubt that the Rutgers people would try to hype up how strong they are with Lawrence, and try to leak that word out.
It doesn't mean that any of it is true.
It's a little early and off base to insinuate that Rice is using dirty recruitment tactics against coach Lavin. They were just at the coaches vs cancer event together and are friendly .
Ok. I'll insinuate it in a few months.
He's crazy, but I don't think he's sleazy. That's a Cal/Drew-type move
Call me crazy, but I don't think it's a low blow to mention a rival coach's health when recruiting a player. You don't have to have despicable intentions.
It's a fact that SJU isn't the same program without Lavin, just like UCONN is a different place without Calhoun, and Syracuse without Jimmy B. And there's been real doubts about all their futures. Telling a recruit to make sure he's going to the same program he thinks he is, isn't anti-ethical in my opinion at least.
Now, if you are intentionally telling a kid a lie, ... thats different. And I think we can all agree that's a sleazy move.
I think we're on the cusp of getting out of the woods from Lavins health in recruits minds.
Get him on the bench in November and most recruits will be sold he's there to stay.
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As expected, Lawrence moving up in rankings, 5 star!
“@EvanDanielscout: Jermaine Lawrence, Bobby Portis, Sindarius Thornwell and James Young made their debuts in the five-star range this time around.”
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As expected, Lawrence moving up in rankings, 5 star!
“@EvanDanielscout: Jermaine Lawrence, Bobby Portis, Sindarius Thornwell and James Young made their debuts in the five-star range this time around.”
He is the 15th best player. I think that he was not Top 100 in the previous ranking of Scout.
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=4&cfg=bb&pid=88&yr=2013 (http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=4&cfg=bb&pid=88&yr=2013)
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Stating obvious, as Telep often does, calls JL a "must sign recruit" for Lavin. Don't subscribe, so can't add to that.
“@KieranDarcy: ESPN colleague @DaveTelep just posted a great breakdown of Big East teams' recruiting needs/targets in 2013: http://t.co/tRy8prEL (http://t.co/tRy8prEL)”
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looking at the ESPN ratings of the St Johns targets for 2013
http://espn.go.com/colleges/basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/2599/class/2013/page/considering (http://espn.go.com/colleges/basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/2599/class/2013/page/considering)
Did they change their ratings scale?
Players rated as high as lawrence normally rated 93-96, not 89?
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looking at the ESPN ratings of the St Johns targets for 2013
http://espn.go.com/colleges/basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/2599/class/2013/page/considering (http://espn.go.com/colleges/basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/2599/class/2013/page/considering)
Did they change their ratings scale?
Players rated as high as lawrence normally rated 93-96, not 89?
They usually increase their ratings once it's actually their year. I'm sure the next update will have him rated much higher.
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looking at the ESPN ratings of the St Johns targets for 2013
http://espn.go.com/colleges/basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/2599/class/2013/page/considering (http://espn.go.com/colleges/basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/2599/class/2013/page/considering)
Did they change their ratings scale?
Players rated as high as lawrence normally rated 93-96, not 89?
Up until a few weeks ago Telep hadn't even seen Jermaine yet.
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looking at the ESPN ratings of the St Johns targets for 2013
http://espn.go.com/colleges/basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/2599/class/2013/page/considering (http://espn.go.com/colleges/basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/2599/class/2013/page/considering)
Did they change their ratings scale?
Players rated as high as lawrence normally rated 93-96, not 89?
I believe they recently tweaked the ratings a little at ESPN (remember seeing something about it in a Telep chat), and it dropped everyone in terms of their number grade.
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Stating obvious, as Telep often does, calls JL a "must sign recruit" for Lavin. Don't subscribe, so can't add to that.
“@KieranDarcy: ESPN colleague @DaveTelep just posted a great breakdown of Big East teams' recruiting needs/targets in 2013: http://t.co/tRy8prEL (http://t.co/tRy8prEL)”
I think we are past the must sign times, but he would be a very nice piece to the program and could really help put us a step closer to the top.
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Stating obvious, as Telep often does, calls JL a "must sign recruit" for Lavin. Don't subscribe, so can't add to that.
“@KieranDarcy: ESPN colleague @DaveTelep just posted a great breakdown of Big East teams' recruiting needs/targets in 2013: http://t.co/tRy8prEL (http://t.co/tRy8prEL)”
I think we are past the must sign times, but he would be a very nice piece to the program and could really help put us a step closer to the top.
Yeah I agree our program wont fall apart if we dont get him but he is definitely an important piece for our future
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Stating obvious, as Telep often does, calls JL a "must sign recruit" for Lavin. Don't subscribe, so can't add to that.
“@KieranDarcy: ESPN colleague @DaveTelep just posted a great breakdown of Big East teams' recruiting needs/targets in 2013: http://t.co/tRy8prEL (http://t.co/tRy8prEL)”
I think we are past the must sign times, but he would be a very nice piece to the program and could really help put us a step closer to the top.
Yeah I agree our program wont fall apart if we dont get him but he is definitely an important piece for our future
No doubt he would be a great piece and would certainly push up the pecking order in the BE, but the world won't end if we don't land him. Maybe I'll change my tune if Sampson leaves after one year. That said, I would love to land this kid.
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You always wantto land the best local kid every year.
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You always wantto land the best local kid every year.
Exactly
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You always wantto land the best local kid every year.
Hopefully he sees Harkless' success and follows in his footsteps. Although, I'd like to see him stay longer than Moe.
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If Harkless, Sampson, Lawrence and McCullough all came and all went one and done I'd settle for that I think.
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I love how Alex Kline announces that Manhattan has offered Lawrence. Something tells me that he won't end up at Manhattan.
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I love how Alex Kline announces that Manhattan has offered Lawrence. Something tells me that he won't end up at Manhattan.
In other news, Rider has offered Jabari Parker... ;D
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If Harkless, Sampson, Lawrence and McCullough all came and all went one and done I'd settle for that I think.
Without question...
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I love how Alex Kline announces that Manhattan has offered Lawrence. Something tells me that he won't end up at Manhattan.
I know this is going to sound crazy.. But they should be offering everyone. With the addition of Rasheen Davis it has already paid dividends by bringing in Pankey. They should be a team on the rise in the future. I might be in the minority.. But I happen to think Massielo is a very good coach. All in all very good for them to be competitive.
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I love how Alex Kline announces that Manhattan has offered Lawrence. Something tells me that he won't end up at Manhattan.
I know this is going to sound crazy.. But they should be offering everyone. With the addition of Rasheen Davis it has already paid dividends by bringing in Pankey. They should be a team on the rise in the future. I might be in the minority.. But I happen to think Massielo is a very good coach. All in all very good for them to be competitive.
I don't think your in the minority because Masiello is and will be an awesome coach but honestly how many of these Top 50 kids are going to consider a MAAC school seriously. Its just funny to see Kline say it the way he does like its groundbreaking. They shouldn't be wasting time on the Jermaine Lawrence's of the world. Its just not gonna happen.
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I love how Alex Kline announces that Manhattan has offered Lawrence. Something tells me that he won't end up at Manhattan.
I know this is going to sound crazy.. But they should be offering everyone. With the addition of Rasheen Davis it has already paid dividends by bringing in Pankey. They should be a team on the rise in the future. I might be in the minority.. But I happen to think Massielo is a very good coach. All in all very good for them to be competitive.
I don't think your in the minority because Masiello is and will be an awesome coach but honestly how many of these Top 50 kids are going to consider a MAAC school seriously. Its just funny to see Kline say it the way he does like its groundbreaking. They shouldn't be wasting time on the Jermaine Lawrence's of the world. Its just not gonna happen.
You are right.. He won't go there.. But nothing wrong with having the major mentality. They should be thinking big by extending the offers.. It's a different story however if they are following the big fish across the country .
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looking at the ESPN ratings of the St Johns targets for 2013
http://espn.go.com/colleges/basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/2599/class/2013/page/considering (http://espn.go.com/colleges/basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/2599/class/2013/page/considering)
Did they change their ratings scale?
Players rated as high as lawrence normally rated 93-96, not 89?
Up until a few weeks ago Telep hadn't even seen Jermaine yet.
No one saw him until last spring.
John Stovall from ESPN was first to see him at Hoop Group Top 100 in the spring. Adam Finkelstein from ESPN saw him this spring at Hoop Group Jam Fests in Pitt and Philly.
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Jermaine made the top 30 game at Pangos.
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looking at the ESPN ratings of the St Johns targets for 2013
http://espn.go.com/colleges/basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/2599/class/2013/page/considering (http://espn.go.com/colleges/basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/2599/class/2013/page/considering)
Did they change their ratings scale?
Players rated as high as lawrence normally rated 93-96, not 89?
Up until a few weeks ago Telep hadn't even seen Jermaine yet.
No one saw him until last spring.
John Stovall from ESPN was first to see him at Hoop Group Top 100 in the spring. Adam Finkelstein from ESPN saw him this spring at Hoop Group Jam Fests in Pitt and Philly.
There is a subliminal hoop group message in here somewhere. I suddenly have a craving for hoop group cereal
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looking at the ESPN ratings of the St Johns targets for 2013
http://espn.go.com/colleges/basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/2599/class/2013/page/considering (http://espn.go.com/colleges/basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/2599/class/2013/page/considering)
Did they change their ratings scale?
Players rated as high as lawrence normally rated 93-96, not 89?
Up until a few weeks ago Telep hadn't even seen Jermaine yet.
No one saw him until last spring.
John Stovall from ESPN was first to see him at Hoop Group Top 100 in the spring. Adam Finkelstein from ESPN saw him this spring at Hoop Group Jam Fests in Pitt and Philly.
There is a subliminal hoop group message in here somewhere. I suddenly have a craving for hoop group cereal
branding baby!
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“@TheRecruitScoop: Indiana is now expressing interest in Jermaine Lawrence, a 2013 forward from New Rens (NY).”
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This recruitment is going to turn into a free for all..
Still curious as to why he decided to go to Sparta, NJ for high school. If you have ever been to Sparta, it is certainly not Queens...
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This recruitment is going to turn into a free for all..
Still curious as to why he decided to go to Sparta, NJ for high school. If you have ever been to Sparta, it is certainly not Queens...
The fact that it's not Queens is the exact reason he went to Sparta.
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It has been noted that his HS coach, Jason Hasson I believe, is a good guy and coach. Whatever the reason for the move, the kid is thriving!
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This recruitment is going to turn into a free for all..
Still curious as to why he decided to go to Sparta, NJ for high school. If you have ever been to Sparta, it is certainly not Queens...
The fact that it's not Queens is the exact reason he went to Sparta.
Not sure how well that bodes for a certain university located in . . . Queens.
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This recruitment is going to turn into a free for all..
Still curious as to why he decided to go to Sparta, NJ for high school. If you have ever been to Sparta, it is certainly not Queens...
The fact that it's not Queens is the exact reason he went to Sparta.
Not sure how well that bodes for a certain university located in . . . Queens.
Was waiting for someone to say that. Didn't expect it to be you though.
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Big difference between public HS in Queens and St. John's. We are no longer the St. John's of the 80's & the 90's. Campus itself & Campus life is so much better.
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This recruitment is going to turn into a free for all..
Still curious as to why he decided to go to Sparta, NJ for high school. If you have ever been to Sparta, it is certainly not Queens...
The fact that it's not Queens is the exact reason he went to Sparta.
Not sure how well that bodes for a certain university located in . . . Queens.
Was waiting for someone to say that. Didn't expect it to be you though.
I wasn't serious, though.
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This recruitment is going to turn into a free for all..
Still curious as to why he decided to go to Sparta, NJ for high school. If you have ever been to Sparta, it is certainly not Queens...
The fact that it's not Queens is the exact reason he went to Sparta.
Not sure how well that bodes for a certain university located in . . . Queens.
Was waiting for someone to say that. Didn't expect it to be you though.
I wasn't serious, though.
I know. But you gave the inmates ammunition
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This recruitment is going to turn into a free for all..
Still curious as to why he decided to go to Sparta, NJ for high school. If you have ever been to Sparta, it is certainly not Queens...
The fact that it's not Queens is the exact reason he went to Sparta.
Not sure how well that bodes for a certain university located in . . . Queens.
New Jersey might be the reason he comes back to Queens
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This recruitment is going to turn into a free for all..
Still curious as to why he decided to go to Sparta, NJ for high school. If you have ever been to Sparta, it is certainly not Queens...
The fact that it's not Queens is the exact reason he went to Sparta.
Not sure how well that bodes for a certain university located in . . . Queens.
New Jersey might be the reason he comes back to Queens
Can you smell Newark from the campus in Sparta?
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This recruitment is going to turn into a free for all..
Still curious as to why he decided to go to Sparta, NJ for high school. If you have ever been to Sparta, it is certainly not Queens...
Maybe he likes to ski or that awesome outdoor winter pool at Minerals Resort :)
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Dino Trigonis response to my tweet re play of Lawrence last weekend;
“@trigonis30: @rgsaunders1 His potential is scary. Put him in that Top 25-50 range!”
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Dino Trigonis response to my tweet re play of Lawrence last weekend;
“@trigonis30: @rgsaunders1 His potential is scary. Put him in that Top 25-50 range!”
Players in the 25-50 range are not typically scary. If he is really scary he should be ranked higher.
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Dino Trigonis response to my tweet re play of Lawrence last weekend;
“@trigonis30: @rgsaunders1 His potential is scary. Put him in that Top 25-50 range!”
Players in the 25-50 range are not typically scary. If he is really scary he should be ranked higher.
Nitpick away. Point is a very seasoned AAU guy is underscoring how Lawrence has blossomed. Scary potential equates to NBA promise IMO. That says it all. I do not want to waste my time beating this to death. Geez!
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Dino Trigonis response to my tweet re play of Lawrence last weekend;
“@trigonis30: @rgsaunders1 His potential is scary. Put him in that Top 25-50 range!”
Players in the 25-50 range are not typically scary. If he is really scary he should be ranked higher.
Nitpick away. Point is a very seasoned AAU guy is underscoring how Lawrence has blossomed. Scary potential equates to NBA promise IMO. That says it all. I do not want to waste my time beating this to death. Geez!
Take a chill pill-my point was from the sound of things he should probably be ranked higher GEEZ!
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This recruitment is going to turn into a free for all..
Still curious as to why he decided to go to Sparta, NJ for high school. If you have ever been to Sparta, it is certainly not Queens...
Maybe he likes to ski or that awesome outdoor winter pool at Minerals Resort :)
Or maybe that really good bagle shop on rte 15.
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I lived in Sparta for 8 years before retiring to Fla. Also lived and grew up in the city. Given the choice on where to live I'll take Sparta any day. Beautiful country, clean air and little to no crime. Some of you should take a trip outside the borders of NYC to understand what quality of life means. Much better place for a teenager to grow up and if he decides the SJU is the best place to play more power to him. Take off the blinders and get out of NY occasionally before knocking a lovely community.
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P.S. to above post. Troy Murphy lived and played in Sparta and he hasn't had a bad career.
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I lived in Sparta for 8 years before retiring to Fla. Also lived and grew up in the city. Given the choice on where to live I'll take Sparta any day. Beautiful country, clean air and little to no crime. Some of you should take a trip outside the borders of NYC to understand what quality of life means. Much better place for a teenager to grow up and if he decides the SJU is the best place to play more power to him. Take off the blinders and get out of NY occasionally before knocking a lovely community.
The 'burbs blow! If I could afford to live in Manhattan, I would. I lived in Florida for 5 years. Hell on Earth.
You know the old saying: Look to your left, look to your right. One of you is a child molester.
That, my friend, sums up Florida. That's where the dregs go to hide out from society.
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Florida tourism should incorporate that in some way...
Look to the Left, Look to the Right, One of you is a child molester in sunny Florida!
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don't know how we got on this topic...but just to throw my two cents in before returning to basketball. retired down to florida a few years ago. can't beat the winters down here. but in my heart i'll always be a new yorker. when i die, i want to be creamated, and have my ashes scattered across canarsie. go st. johns.
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Here we go again! Go get him Tony and Coach L!
“@JonRothstein: Very good. Rutgers also strong. St. John's in mix @CodyTFox Cincinnati's chances at 2013 stud Jermaine Lawrence?”
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Here we go again! Go get him Tony and Coach L!
“@JonRothstein: Very good. Rutgers also strong. St. John's in mix @CodyTFox Cincinnati's chances at 2013 stud Jermaine Lawrence?”
We have to land Lawrence. Great time for it. He'd have to be crazy myself to want to play for Mike Rice. RU over SJU? C'mon... Lawrence coming in when this team is starting to peak and he's surrounded by talent would be great for him. I think Chiles and Lavs will A, B, C it...
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@MattWhitNBE: Jermaine Lawrence says Rutgers is in his top 3 along with Fla and Cuse.
Ouch.
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@MattWhitNBE: Jermaine Lawrence says Rutgers is in his top 3 along with Fla and Cuse.
Ouch.
Ouch is right. Not only no SJU, no Cincy as well?
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FWIW, told Rutgers and Van Macon have done a great job on this one.
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FWIW, told Rutgers and Van Macon have done a great job on this one.
They have but I was told Savino and Cincy were doing a good job as well. I am not shocked RU is on it but more shocked that Florida and SU are on it as well.
BTW-He told Borzello the same thing although Borzello says "his top 3 right now" implying that perhaps it is subject to change. Either way it is disappointing.
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I have seen some twitter chatter about a female advisor pushing JL to schools of her desire. Theo may have a handle on who that is. I'm not interested in promoting baseless rumors, but just noting two items I read today. One tweet was sent to Borzello, after he disclosed JL's top three.
In any event, it is early and I am sure staff is not putting all its eggs in one basket.
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JR may just be repeating what has been noted in above posts but;
“@JonRothstein: Big news w Jermaine Lawrence trimming his list to Rutgers, Syracuse, + Florida. Cincinnati + St. John's appear to be out.”
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JR may just be repeating what has been noted in above posts but;
“@JonRothstein: Big news w Jermaine Lawrence trimming his list to Rutgers, Syracuse, + Florida. Cincinnati + St. John's appear to be out.”
That tweet makes no sense. Who is in and who is out?
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JR may just be repeating what has been noted in above posts but;
“@JonRothstein: Big news w Jermaine Lawrence trimming his list to Rutgers, Syracuse, + Florida. Cincinnati + St. John's appear to be out.”
That tweet makes no sense. Who is in and who is out?
Implying SJU & Cincy out.
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Wow, this sucks. Was really hoping he'd be our guy for the '13 class. Hopefully we find our way back in the race.
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Many tweets coming out now saying cut down list is not true.
Will cut his list down to 10 in August.
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“@JonRothstein: Hard to trust anything you read on twitter in regards to college recruiting. Jermaine Lawrence has NOT cut his list. He prob will in August.”
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Many tweets coming out now saying cut down list is not true.
Will cut his list down to 10 in August.
A couple of things:
1) From the tweets he did not per se cut down his list. In other words he did not say, "These are my final 3." What it sounds like he said was if he was forced to make a decision now it would probably come from one of these 3 schools...RU, SU and UF. Again that is not the same as cutting down his list to 3.
2) I would like to see how he spins this. He was clearly quoted as saying these 3 are his top 3 right now.
This is my point about attacking the messenger. Unless you think Borzello made up what Lawrence said (you remember McCullough telling someone a few months ago UCONN was his dream school and then denying it but does anyone not believe he actually said it?) you can't blame Borzello or anyone else if a few months from now he chooses SJU. Borzello is just reporting on what he heard in this case directly from the horse's mouth so to speak.
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Many tweets coming out now saying cut down list is not true.
Will cut his list down to 10 in August.
A couple of things:
1) From the tweets he did not per se cut down his list. In other words he did not say, "These are my final 3." What it sounds like he said was if he was forced to make a decision now it would probably come from one of these 3 schools...RU, SU and UF. Again that is not the same as cutting down his list to 3.
2) I would like to see how he spins this. He was clearly quoted as saying these 3 are his top 3 right now.
This is my point about attacking the messenger. Unless you think Borzello made up what Lawrence said (you remember McCullough telling someone a few months ago UCONN was his dream school and then denying it but does anyone not believe he actually said it?) you can't blame Borzello or anyone else if a few months from now he chooses SJU. Borzello is just reporting on what he heard in this case directly from the horse's mouth so to speak.
Agree Fordham! I personally find Borzello to be quite reliable.
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As much as I would like JL here next year- its refreshing that the staff
has the roster so strong & balanced that there are no "must gets" from here on
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Tweets from JL alleged advisor;
“@MissHargrove: I must note @NYPost_Brazille would also be a source for the facts when the list gets cut.”
“@MissHargrove: Let's keep it real when the list gets cut in August the first to know will be us and @TheAlexKline @TheRecruitScoop #FACTS #BoysHoops #NYC”
Not looking forward to this process!
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“@JonRothstein: Hard to trust anything you read on twitter in regards to college recruiting. Jermaine Lawrence has NOT cut his list. He prob will in August.”
That's right Jon. So why don't you stop using other tweets as your source altogether and go out and do your own legwork.
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Although i would love JL here, the days of putting all our eggs in one basket are over (even with NYC kids). Lav will have plenty of options and will not disappoint, this is a guy that after a major 7 hr surgery was on the phone with Jakarr's mom if that doesn't speak volumes of how recruits family love him and his commitment to the program i have no idea what will. Trust coach and staff.
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Kline is tweeting the same thing probably the advisor telling him.
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We have one, maybe 2 scholarships to give out in 2013. While I'd love jermaine Lawrence here, there are plenty of others that fit the bill and we have quite a few forwards already with McCullough a distinct possibility for 2014. We are gravy and I have zero doubt we will get our 1 or 2 priority guys even if it's not Jermaine Lawrence.
I'd also add the fact that he blindsided Naclerio and left for new jersey I always saw as a negative thing for us. Back then, we were in the driver's seat for Lawrence. Naclerio was shocked by this move to new jersey and it was then I got a bad feeling about the direction his recruitment might be headed. Not sure if it was a harbinger but when he moved I thought we might lose ground. I'm not saying we won't land him, but I think him leaving NY, at least partially, could be a sign of him not wanting to stay here.
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“@AdamZagoria: As @SNYtv reported at the Mary Kline Classic, Jermaine Lawrence will be at Rutgers next wknd for their Elite Camp”
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“@AdamZagoria: As @SNYtv reported at the Mary Kline Classic, Jermaine Lawrence will be at Rutgers next wknd for their Elite Camp”
Yeah that is old. I am wondering if Jermaine will attend one of the Lavin camps just announced:
http://www.redstormsports.com/camps/10-steve-lavin-camp.html# (http://www.redstormsports.com/camps/10-steve-lavin-camp.html#)
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“@AdamZagoria: As @SNYtv reported at the Mary Kline Classic, Jermaine Lawrence will be at Rutgers next wknd for their Elite Camp”
Yeah that is old. I am wondering if Jermaine will attend one of the Lavin camps just announced:
http://www.redstormsports.com/camps/10-steve-lavin-camp.html# (http://www.redstormsports.com/camps/10-steve-lavin-camp.html#)
I wonder if we will have an "elite" camp
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“@AdamZagoria: As @SNYtv reported at the Mary Kline Classic, Jermaine Lawrence will be at Rutgers next wknd for their Elite Camp”
Yeah that is old. I am wondering if Jermaine will attend one of the Lavin camps just announced:
http://www.redstormsports.com/camps/10-steve-lavin-camp.html# (http://www.redstormsports.com/camps/10-steve-lavin-camp.html#)
I wonder if we will have an "elite" camp
I don't think SJU calls it an elite camp. It is a "Skills Camp." It is just semantics. It is run like any other "Elite Camp."
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FWIW, Zach Braziller of the NY Post told me today that SJU is still right there with JL. We will see!
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FWIW, Zach Braziller of the NY Post told me today that SJU is still right there with JL. We will see!
Here is what I think we know for sure. Jermaine is a terrific talent. And it appears RU at least is in good with him.
We also know there is the whole summer and considering the fact he is looking at August to cut down his list means he is in no hurry to decide. Plus SJU has other options and as we saw with Obekpa Lavin can make up ground in no time.
Moral, until he announces SJU is out, no reason to fret.
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“@marcmaggard: Jermaine Lawrence is playing today after being injured all week.
“@trigonis30: There is not a better post athlete with more potential in the nbpa camp than jermaine lawrence. Scary upside!”
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ESPN Insider article today refers to Jermaine cutting his list to 3 (which we know probably isn't true), but they claim he told Borzello St Johns, Rutgers, Florida. Interesting...
It's not a long article, but here's the important quote:
"Jermaine Lawrence (Springfield Gardens, N.Y./Pope John XXIII) has seen his stock rise of late. He's the No. 25 recruit in the class of 2013, is drawing plenty of interest and recently told Matt Whitfield and Jeff Borzello that three of the schools pursuing him have pulled ahead from the rest of the pack.
Those three schools are (in no particular order) Florida, Rutgers and St. John's. All three would be happy to add the talented big man to their roster but, of that trio, the Gators probably need him the least "
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/features/rumors/_/date/20120616#7682 (http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/features/rumors/_/date/20120616#7682)
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ESPN Insider article today refers to Jermaine cutting his list to 3 (which we know probably isn't true), but they claim he told Borzello St Johns, Rutgers, Florida. Interesting...
It's not a long article, but here's the important quote:
"Jermaine Lawrence (Springfield Gardens, N.Y./Pope John XXIII) has seen his stock rise of late. He's the No. 25 recruit in the class of 2013, is drawing plenty of interest and recently told Matt Whitfield and Jeff Borzello that three of the schools pursuing him have pulled ahead from the rest of the pack.
Those three schools are (in no particular order) Florida, Rutgers and St. John's. All three would be happy to add the talented big man to their roster but, of that trio, the Gators probably need him the least "
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/features/rumors/_/date/20120616#7682 (http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/features/rumors/_/date/20120616#7682)
I bet it is true... Those are the schools I've heard the most. If that is the case, I like Lavin in this one... ;)
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Kentucky will get on Lawrence. Calipari had 2 reasons why he came to Pittsburgh in April. 1. Harrison twins 2. Lawrence. Not sure what he thought of him, I know he played well, but they could be knocking at the door for his services. Additionally Bill Self made it a point to see Lawrence in Philadelphia in April as well. It's very early in the process and Lawrence will get more suitors but St. John's has been there since day 1.
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ESPN Insider article today refers to Jermaine cutting his list to 3 (which we know probably isn't true), but they claim he told Borzello St Johns, Rutgers, Florida. Interesting...
It's not a long article, but here's the important quote:
"Jermaine Lawrence (Springfield Gardens, N.Y./Pope John XXIII) has seen his stock rise of late. He's the No. 25 recruit in the class of 2013, is drawing plenty of interest and recently told Matt Whitfield and Jeff Borzello that three of the schools pursuing him have pulled ahead from the rest of the pack.
Those three schools are (in no particular order) Florida, Rutgers and St. John's. All three would be happy to add the talented big man to their roster but, of that trio, the Gators probably need him the least "
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/features/rumors/_/date/20120616#7682 (http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/features/rumors/_/date/20120616#7682)
I bet it is true... Those are the schools I've heard the most. If that is the case, I like Lavin in this one... ;)
Weird part is the ESPN article in the next paragraph has a link to the Zags story about Jermaine saying Syracuse, Rutgers, Florida.
They usually don't come up with their own info and just link to zags, so it's a little puzzling that they would get their info from zags but change one of the schools.
Regardless, I'm sure Dave is right that there's big programs kicking the tires this summer. And we know Rutgers has put in as much time and effort as we have with Jermaine. But I agree, I think Lavin pulls this one out.
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IF that top three is true, Lav rolls -no doubt in my mind.
LOCK THIS DUDE UP.
Hammer to rock!
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“@jeffborzello: Notebook: Kennedy Meeks getting his body in shape for the summer, Jermaine Lawrence continues to see stock rise: http://t.co/4LLQsphl (http://t.co/4LLQsphl)”
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Jermaine Lawrence is on pace to be highest ranked city player since Lance Stephenson. Of course he goes to school in Jersey now LOL.”
Hoping he won't continue that and go to Rutgers!
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Jermaine Lawrence is on pace to be highest ranked city player since Lance Stephenson. Of course he goes to school in Jersey now LOL.”
Hoping he won't continue that and go to Rutgers!
Unfortunately rutgers is a very strong lean so far
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Jermaine Lawrence is on pace to be highest ranked city player since Lance Stephenson. Of course he goes to school in Jersey now LOL.”
Hoping he won't continue that and go to Rutgers!
Unfortunately rutgers is a very strong lean so far
That's why I said it! Lol
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I cannot see Coach losing out to RU with Jermaine. It is the "big" boys (KU, UK, etc.) I would be more concerned about.
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I cannot see Coach losing out to RU with Jermaine. It is the "big" boys (KU, UK, etc.) I would be more concerned about.
In this case, as it now stands, Rutgers is in great shape. Granted that could change. I personally feel we have a better shot with McCullough in 2014 than Lawrence. We'll see.
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I cannot see Coach losing out to RU with Jermaine. It is the "big" boys (KU, UK, etc.) I would be more concerned about.
In this case, as it now stands, Rutgers is in great shape. Granted that could change. I personally feel we have a better shot with McCullough in 2014 than Lawrence. We'll see.
Same
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Does the advisor that suddenly popped up have a connection to Rutgers?
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He is blowing up big time. He said before he won't sign until next Spring which means I could see as Dave pointed out Calipari getting involved.
Scout just came out with revised top 100 and he checks in at #15. Others include Jarrell Martin at no. 11, Rysheed Jordan at #47, Mike Young at #85.
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=4&cfg=bb&pid=88&yr=2013 (http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=4&cfg=bb&pid=88&yr=2013)
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He is blowing up big time. He said before he won't sign until next Spring which means I could see as Dave pointed out Calipari getting involved.
Scout just came out with revised top 100 and he checks in at #15. Others include Jarrell Martin at no. 11, Rysheed Jordan at #47, Mike Young at #85.
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=4&cfg=bb&pid=88&yr=2013 (http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=4&cfg=bb&pid=88&yr=2013)
I think we'll still make a strong play for him, hopefully after a good season. I'd be just as happy with Jarrell Martin who I get the sense we may be in even better shape with than Lawrence.
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IMHO Nigel Williams-Goss is way underrated at 97. He's a big PG who is as smart as they come and really can do it all. Loved a game since I saw him while scouting Amir's games.
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IMHO Nigel Williams-Goss is way underrated at 97. He's a big PG who is as smart as they come and really can do it all. Loved a game since I saw him while souring Amir's games,
Agreed.
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He is blowing up big time. He said before he won't sign until next Spring which means I could see as Dave pointed out Calipari getting involved.
Scout just came out with revised top 100 and he checks in at #15. Others include Jarrell Martin at no. 11, Rysheed Jordan at #47, Mike Young at #85.
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=4&cfg=bb&pid=88&yr=2013 (http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=4&cfg=bb&pid=88&yr=2013)
I think we'll still make a strong play for him, hopefully after a good season. I'd be just as happy with Jarrell Martin who I get the sense we may be in even better shape with than Lawrence.
FWIW, with Martin also listing UCLA, a west coast guru indicated there may be academic issues with Jarrell that make UCLA an unlikely destination.
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He is blowing up big time. He said before he won't sign until next Spring which means I could see as Dave pointed out Calipari getting involved.
Scout just came out with revised top 100 and he checks in at #15. Others include Jarrell Martin at no. 11, Rysheed Jordan at #47, Mike Young at #85.
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=4&cfg=bb&pid=88&yr=2013 (http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=4&cfg=bb&pid=88&yr=2013)
I think we'll still make a strong play for him, hopefully after a good season. I'd be just as happy with Jarrell Martin who I get the sense we may be in even better shape with than Lawrence.
FWIW, with Martin also listing UCLA, a west coast guru indicated there may be academic issues with Jarrell that make UCLA an unlikely destination.
Or could be the fact that UCLA already has about 9 big forwards like Martin... ;D
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He is blowing up big time. He said before he won't sign until next Spring which means I could see as Dave pointed out Calipari getting involved.
Scout just came out with revised top 100 and he checks in at #15. Others include Jarrell Martin at no. 11, Rysheed Jordan at #47, Mike Young at #85.
http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=4&cfg=bb&pid=88&yr=2013 (http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=9&c=4&cfg=bb&pid=88&yr=2013)
I think we'll still make a strong play for him, hopefully after a good season. I'd be just as happy with Jarrell Martin who I get the sense we may be in even better shape with than Lawrence.
FWIW, with Martin also listing UCLA, a west coast guru indicated there may be academic issues with Jarrell that make UCLA an unlikely destination.
Or could be the fact that UCLA already has about 9 big forwards like Martin... ;D
Could be, but they're actually desparate for a couple post players in the 2013 class. That's why they're "on" Martin, Anya, Marcus Lee, Karviar Sheppard, and Devin Williams. Supposed to be doing very well with Lee and Williams...
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At LBJ Camp
“@ryanmgreene: Also watched #UNLV target Isaac Hamilton. Impressive kid. Fellow target Jermaine Lawrence was on crutches. Rolled his ankle yesterday.”
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At LBJ Camp
“@ryanmgreene: Also watched #UNLV target Isaac Hamilton. Impressive kid. Fellow target Jermaine Lawrence was on crutches. Rolled his ankle yesterday.”
Having a tough summer at the showcases. Didn't he sprain his wrist 2 weeks and have to sit out a weekend?
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At LBJ Camp
“@ryanmgreene: Also watched #UNLV target Isaac Hamilton. Impressive kid. Fellow target Jermaine Lawrence was on crutches. Rolled his ankle yesterday.”
Having a tough summer at the showcases. Didn't he sprain his wrist 2 weeks and have to sit out a weekend?
Yep
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#13 on Borzello's updated list.
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“@DaveTelep: Tar Heels dispatch Roy Williams on day one for Jermaine Lawrence and Austin Nichols among others.”
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“@AdamZagoria: 2013 F Jermaine Lawrence says he will visit UNLV later this month. List includes Kansas, Syracuse, Florida, St. John's, Rutgers & Cincinnati”
“@EvanDanielsFOX: Memphis tossed a scholarship offer out to Jermaine Lawrence after Josh Pastner watched him at Reebok Camp.”
NC looking, but have not offered.
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Zags shares some Jermaine comments about SJU;
http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/07/12/carolina-watches-jermaine-lawrence-but-no-offer-yet/#more-76415 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/07/12/carolina-watches-jermaine-lawrence-but-no-offer-yet/#more-76415)
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Zags shares some Jermaine comments about SJU;
http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/07/12/carolina-watches-jermaine-lawrence-but-no-offer-yet/#more-76415 (http://www.zagsblog.com/2012/07/12/carolina-watches-jermaine-lawrence-but-no-offer-yet/#more-76415)
Good to see we're still in the thick of it.
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Spoke most extensively about St J's. Good sign? :)
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Obviously don't subscribe, but here;
“@BearcatReport: 5-star combo forward Jermaine Lawrence talks St. John's. http://t.co/OLtP5Btw”
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Obviously don't subscribe, but here;
“@BearcatReport: 5-star combo forward Jermaine Lawrence talks St. John's. http://t.co/OLtP5Btw (http://t.co/OLtP5Btw)”
Says he talks to Lavin and likes SJU a lot. Has no favorites and plans to visit UNLV this month as previously reported.
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Obviously don't subscribe, but here;
“@BearcatReport: 5-star combo forward Jermaine Lawrence talks St. John's. http://t.co/OLtP5Btw (http://t.co/OLtP5Btw)”
Says he talks to Lavin and likes SJU a lot. Has no favorites and plans to visit UNLV this month as previously reported.
Thanks Fordham!
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“@LoyalBig12Fans: Still Early in the Process for Jermaine Lawrence: The Shiver » PHILADELPHIA – Class of 2013 big man Je... http://t.co/3FE1Sm1J (http://t.co/3FE1Sm1J) #jayhawks”
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Heard from a good source his decision will come down to SJU, RU or Syracuse.
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Lavs/Chiles vs Boheim/Hopkins.
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i think our chances with Jermaine will ride on how well Jakarr does this year.
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i think our chances with Jermaine will ride on how well Jakarr does this year.
Are you saying Jermaine only comes if Jakarr leaves?
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i think our chances with Jermaine will ride on how well Jakarr does this year.
Are you saying Jermaine only comes if Jakarr leaves?
in my opinion i think that's the likely scenario. if jakarr decides to jump to the nba its obvious that he had a really good season. and in jermaine's eye and lavin's pitch will be he got 2 fwds in 2 consecutive years to the nba. plus that opens up the position just for jermaine.
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i think our chances with Jermaine will ride on how well Jakarr does this year.
Are you saying Jermaine only comes if Jakarr leaves?
in my opinion i think that's the likely scenario. if jakarr decides to jump to the nba its obvious that he had a really good season. and in jermaine's eye and lavin's pitch will be he got 2 fwds in 2 consecutive years to the nba. plus that opens up the position just for jermaine.
I don't think Karr leaves. I think he will not get the chances Maurice had last year. And I would not discount the desire he has to play with Hooper I strongly feel. That being said I don't know if that helps or hurts. With Karr back in 13 we are extremely dangerous team. Would Jermaine want to join that?
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Don't see the connection w JaKarr. To me an important issue is to offer this kid the perimeter time he clearly desires. He is enamored with shooting 3s and utilizing his handle. He probably sees himself as a Durant type guy and will want that opportunity. Our system and Cuse's certainly offer that IMO. That said, I certainly think we should expect and demand he bang the boards as well.
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i think our chances with Jermaine will ride on how well Jakarr does this year.
Are you saying Jermaine only comes if Jakarr leaves?
in my opinion i think that's the likely scenario. if jakarr decides to jump to the nba its obvious that he had a really good season. and in jermaine's eye and lavin's pitch will be he got 2 fwds in 2 consecutive years to the nba. plus that opens up the position just for jermaine.
I think there's merit to what you're saying; Jermaine might not want to go to a program that has a number of returning combo forwards. Don't forget Amir basically plays the same position as well. (and to a lesser extent Dom)
But I gotta think that Jermaine makes a college decision well before next April when Jakarr could be looking to go pro. With that said, I agree with Moose; I don't think Jakarr goes pro after this year. But even if he did... Jermaine isn't going to wait till then to make a college decision.
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i think our chances with Jermaine will ride on how well Jakarr does this year.
Are you saying Jermaine only comes if Jakarr leaves?
in my opinion i think that's the likely scenario. if jakarr decides to jump to the nba its obvious that he had a really good season. and in jermaine's eye and lavin's pitch will be he got 2 fwds in 2 consecutive years to the nba. plus that opens up the position just for jermaine.
I don't think Karr leaves. I think he will not get the chances Maurice had last year. And I would not discount the desire he has to play with Hooper I strongly feel. That being said I don't know if that helps or hurts. With Karr back in 13 we are extremely dangerous team. Would Jermaine want to join that?
At this time last year did you think Moe/Maurice would leave?
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i think our chances with Jermaine will ride on how well Jakarr does this year.
Are you saying Jermaine only comes if Jakarr leaves?
in my opinion i think that's the likely scenario. if jakarr decides to jump to the nba its obvious that he had a really good season. and in jermaine's eye and lavin's pitch will be he got 2 fwds in 2 consecutive years to the nba. plus that opens up the position just for jermaine.
I don't think Karr leaves. I think he will not get the chances Maurice had last year. And I would not discount the desire he has to play with Hooper I strongly feel. That being said I don't know if that helps or hurts. With Karr back in 13 we are extremely dangerous team. Would Jermaine want to join that?
At this time last year did you think Moe/Maurice would leave?
I thought Maurice would stay two years. But no at this time last year I expected Norvel, Jakarr, and Amir to start the season with us. And thought Nuri was a good player. We know how that turned out. Jakarr isn't getting the same touches as Maurice did.
I don't think many players declare for the draft after 1 year averaging 10-13 ppg.
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i think our chances with Jermaine will ride on how well Jakarr does this year.
Are you saying Jermaine only comes if Jakarr leaves?
in my opinion i think that's the likely scenario. if jakarr decides to jump to the nba its obvious that he had a really good season. and in jermaine's eye and lavin's pitch will be he got 2 fwds in 2 consecutive years to the nba. plus that opens up the position just for jermaine.
I don't think Karr leaves. I think he will not get the chances Maurice had last year. And I would not discount the desire he has to play with Hooper I strongly feel. That being said I don't know if that helps or hurts. With Karr back in 13 we are extremely dangerous team. Would Jermaine want to join that?
At this time last year did you think Moe/Maurice would leave?
At this time last year everyone (including scouts and recruiting experts) thought Moe was 6'6. Once he showed up on campus at almost 6'9, the chance of Moe going pro soon became very real. That's an exception.
At the 2k tournament in the beginning of the season I happened to be sitting in the row behind a number of nba scouts. Mitch Kuchak the gm for the Lakers was literally the seat in front of me. And this must have been the first time he saw Moe, because right after the tip, first or second possession, he asked some guy from the Sonics what he had Moe listed at, and the guy said 6'6 to 6'7, and Kupchak said that can't be right "Harkless has inches on Hill", meaning Solomon Hill from Arizona.
I can tell you that for the rest of the game, not only was the whole row commenting on how long Moe looked, and talking about him generally, but they charted his shots and spent 90% of the game with their binders open to Moe's page. Not Turner, or Nick Johnson, or Lindsey (which surprised me at the time).
And that was way before he dropped 30 on Providence, or had his big game against Duke. I really think the reason Moe wasn't talked about as a one and done, or as highly touted before the season was because everyone thought he had average sf size.
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i think our chances with Jermaine will ride on how well Jakarr does this year.
Are you saying Jermaine only comes if Jakarr leaves?
in my opinion i think that's the likely scenario. if jakarr decides to jump to the nba its obvious that he had a really good season. and in jermaine's eye and lavin's pitch will be he got 2 fwds in 2 consecutive years to the nba. plus that opens up the position just for jermaine.
I don't think Karr leaves. I think he will not get the chances Maurice had last year. And I would not discount the desire he has to play with Hooper I strongly feel. That being said I don't know if that helps or hurts. With Karr back in 13 we are extremely dangerous team. Would Jermaine want to join that?
At this time last year did you think Moe/Maurice would leave?
At this time last year everyone (including scouts and recruiting experts) thought Moe was 6'6. Once he showed up on campus at almost 6'9, the chance of Moe going pro soon became very real. That's an exception.
At the 2k tournament in the beginning of the season I happened to be sitting in the row behind a number of nba scouts. Mitch Kuchak the gm for the Lakers was literally the seat in front of me. And this must have been the first time he saw Moe, because right after the tip, first or second possession, he asked some guy from the Sonics what he had Moe listed at, and the guy said 6'6 to 6'7, and Kupchak said that can't be right "Harkless has inches on Hill", meaning Solomon Hill from Arizona.
I can tell you that for the rest of the game, not only was the whole row commenting on how long Moe looked, and talking about him generally, but they charted his shots and spent 90% of the game with their binders open to Moe's page. Not Turner, or Nick Johnson, or Lindsey (which surprised me at the time).
And that was way before he dropped 30 on Providence, or had his big game against Duke. I really think the reason Moe wasn't talked about as a one and done, or as highly touted before the season was because everyone thought he had average sf size.
I agree about Moe blowing up after he grew 2 inches and had some statement games, however, my question was at this time last year did anybody here think Moe was going to turn pro, much less be a first rounder?
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No, we didn't. But I'm saying that's an exception. How many kids grow 2 inches the summer before College?
If Moe was 6'9 a year ago he would've been ranked near Quincy Miller, and we would've heard rumblings about possibly being one and done.
But I do understand your point; things could happen. Jakarr couild blow up and be gone in a year.
But I also think there's a possibility that in a year from now we have a bit of a logjam with combo fowards; especially considering our two biggest recruits over the next two seasons play that position. And Amir and Dom probably aren't going anywhere for 3 years, unless something happens with baseball for Amir. And if Jakarr is here for two or three years; it doesn't make it impossible; but I think it makes it very unlikely we sign both Lawrence and Mccullough back to back.
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Great players find their way on the court regardless of position. I would hope any of these top kids would have the confidence to come in to a team and compete for playing time. Nothing is handed to anyone.
Personally, I want to enjoy this upcoming season and the great nucleus we have before i start worrying about how the staff will handle ships and Pt in the following 2 years. Anyone who has followed along for any period of time knows that nothing is static around here. Kids will leave, transfer, go pro, go home, whatever... The staff will handle it all and the program will be fine.
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The Lavin era is till new to us. Some posters still think that having a good player at a certain position negates our chances of recruiting another good player for the same position. Just look at the top schools, who regularly have a few good players, technically, at the same positions. The coaches at these schools and the players tend to work it out. Otherwise, schools like UK, Duke, KU, etc. would have highs and lows over a period of time.
CR has mentioned, probably a million times, how Coach Lavin and other UCLA coaches had (have) routinely brought in fresh talent each year and made it work.
I am with Boo, I just want to enjoy the coming year. I will let Coach worry about recruiting and playing the best talent in the upcoming years.
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The Lavin era is till new to us. Some posters still think that having a good player at a certain position negates our chances of recruiting another good player for the same position. Just look at the top schools, who regularly have a few good players, technically, at the same positions. The coaches at these schools and the players tend to work it out. Otherwise, schools like UK, Duke, KU, etc. would have highs and lows over a period of time.
CR has mentioned, probably a million times, how Coach Lavin and other UCLA coaches had (have) routinely brought in fresh talent each year and made it work.
I am with Boo, I just want to enjoy the coming year. I will let Coach worry about recruiting and playing the best talent in the upcoming years.
Relax and enjoy the season! What a novel idea! Good suggestion!
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The Lavin era is till new to us. Some posters still think that having a good player at a certain position negates our chances of recruiting another good player for the same position. Just look at the top schools, who regularly have a few good players, technically, at the same positions. The coaches at these schools and the players tend to work it out. Otherwise, schools like UK, Duke, KU, etc. would have highs and lows over a period of time.
CR has mentioned, probably a million times, how Coach Lavin and other UCLA coaches had (have) routinely brought in fresh talent each year and made it work.
I am with Boo, I just want to enjoy the coming year. I will let Coach worry about recruiting and playing the best talent in the upcoming years.
One thing to note on the players Steve Lavin signs. He has historically almost NEVER pursued a "one position" player. Virtually every player he's signed has had the ability to play multiple positions. And, more importantly, Steve has PLAYED them at multiple positions. So concern about not landing a player at the same position in two consectutive recruiting classes due to lack of PT at a position is pretty much moot. Best Examples I can think of off hand - Steves first recruting class had top 100 center Travis Reed (28.8 pts, 14.7 rebs 8.1 assists out of AB Miller High in Fontana, CA), even tho UCLA had forer top 20 rising Junior Center Jelani McCoy. in the next class he landed the #1 Euro player from the Nike Hoop Summit team, Center Jerome Moiso. AND the #1 ranked Center in high school, Dan Gadzuric. In that same class, he brought in top 5 SF Jaron Rush, AND SF Matt Barnes (a top 50 player). And the NEXT class he brought in top 10 SF Jason Kapono.
Of all those players, only Gadzuric played only 1 position for the Bruins (Dan COULD have played PF, but was never needed. As an 18-21 year old, Gadz was the fastest player on the UCLA squad - a soccor and track star in high school). Reed would play C and PF. Moiso C and PF. Rush SF & PF. Barnes SF, PF & C. Kapono played SF, PF, SG AND even a couple games at PG.
If you can play, Steve Lavin will find a way to get you on the floor. Heck, he played one of his players, Toby Bailey, significant minutes at all FIVE positions in his career. When he left UCLA, the 6'6 Toby was the Bruins #4 all time scorer (behind only Don MacLean, Lew Alcindor & Reggie Miller), #16 all time rebounder, #7 all time Assists, #8 All Time steals. and #13 all time Blocked shots. The rebounding and blocks may not seem that impressive, till you realize UCLA has sent 27 centers and 19 PFs to the NBA...
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The Lavin era is till new to us. Some posters still think that having a good player at a certain position negates our chances of recruiting another good player for the same position. Just look at the top schools, who regularly have a few good players, technically, at the same positions. The coaches at these schools and the players tend to work it out. Otherwise, schools like UK, Duke, KU, etc. would have highs and lows over a period of time.
CR has mentioned, probably a million times, how Coach Lavin and other UCLA coaches had (have) routinely brought in fresh talent each year and made it work.
I am with Boo, I just want to enjoy the coming year. I will let Coach worry about recruiting and playing the best talent in the upcoming years.
I dont think Lavin is worried about recruiting in upcoming years. I think he was worried about recruiting this year. So many scholis to fill and other obstacles. IE transfers and rumors of him not coming back.. Fortunately this year worked out nicely,even though it started badly .
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Good to see that SJU is represented in Vegas where among others Jermaine is playing:
Jeff Borzello @jeffborzello
Calhoun (and an assistant), Romar, Cooley, Fisher, Kansas, St. john's and more here for Dream Vision vs. New Heights.
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“@ebosshoops: Doesn't appear Jermaine Lawrence is here at the #Fab48 with the NY Rens. Makes it easier to focus on Kentan Facey.”
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“@ebosshoops: Doesn't appear Jermaine Lawrence is here at the #Fab48 with the NY Rens. Makes it easier to focus on Kentan Facey.”
He isn't, our own Raczok is in Sin City and confirms Coach Lavin is there scouting among others McCullough but Lawrence was a no show.
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“@TheRecruitScoop: Mary Kline Classic alums Jermaine Lawrence, Wayne Selden & Rondae Jefferson selected to the Under Armour Elite 24 - http://t.co/OrYz8q6O (http://t.co/OrYz8q6O)”
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“@mainestory44: On this Flight to LA for @adidasnations”
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“@JoshGershon: Jermaine Lawrence has been all over the glass so far...one offensive board after another. Motor never stops running.”
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“@mainestory44: Everybody tune in to CBS Sports to watch me play in the #adidasnation Championship game at 930 pm today!”
Assume Martin will play as well.
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“@ebosshoops: Doesn't appear Jermaine Lawrence is here at the #Fab48 with the NY Rens. Makes it easier to focus on Kentan Facey.”
He isn't, our own Raczok is in Sin City and confirms Coach Lavin is there scouting among others McCullough but Lawrence was a no show.
Lawrence is strange case. His recruitment is going to shakeout oddly
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“@ebosshoops: Doesn't appear Jermaine Lawrence is here at the #Fab48 with the NY Rens. Makes it easier to focus on Kentan Facey.”
He isn't, our own Raczok is in Sin City and confirms Coach Lavin is there scouting among others McCullough but Lawrence was a no show.
Lawrence is strange case. His recruitment is going to shakeout oddly
Is that a reflection of the involvement of his handler? His HS coach seems to be a decent guy, but not sure how influential he is in this process.
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HS coach used to be an assistant under Coach Hurley at St Anthonys. Hard to say how much influence he personally has on Lawrence.
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Jermaine Lawrence lone NY'er in new Scout top 100, comes in at No. 14. Honestly, I agree with omissions of previous locals ranked #boyshoops”
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Jermaine Lawrence lone NY'er in new Scout top 100, comes in at No. 14. Honestly, I agree with omissions of previous locals ranked #boyshoops”
Shows how we can't rely strictly on the local scene as we did in the past. Thank god for coach Lavin being here.
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“@ebosshoops: Doesn't appear Jermaine Lawrence is here at the #Fab48 with the NY Rens. Makes it easier to focus on Kentan Facey.”
He isn't, our own Raczok is in Sin City and confirms Coach Lavin is there scouting among others McCullough but Lawrence was a no show.
Lawrence is strange case. His recruitment is going to shakeout oddly
Care to elaborate ? There are many elements involved. His mother loves SJU. His father might move to NC. Billy Donovan very involved. Rutgers very involved although they won't beat us out. Syracuse in the picture. He's getting more national exposure which could open his eyes wider. But all in all not very different from what any top kid has to face. So what do you mean by "oddly".
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“@ebosshoops: Doesn't appear Jermaine Lawrence is here at the #Fab48 with the NY Rens. Makes it easier to focus on Kentan Facey.”
He isn't, our own Raczok is in Sin City and confirms Coach Lavin is there scouting among others McCullough but Lawrence was a no show.
Lawrence is strange case. His recruitment is going to shakeout oddly
Care to elaborate ? There are many elements involved. His mother loves SJU. His father might move to NC. Billy Donovan very involved. Rutgers very involved although they won't beat us out. Syracuse in the picture. He's getting more national exposure which could open his eyes wider. But all in all not very different from what any top kid has to face. So what do you mean by "oddly".
He has family, he has his coach(es) and he has a batshit crazy handler.
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Anyone?
“@BSnowScout: Five-star Jermaine Lawrence reflects on his summer and the current state of his recruitment http://t.co/voyTE2cD (http://t.co/voyTE2cD)”
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Anyone?
“@BSnowScout: Five-star Jermaine Lawrence reflects on his summer and the current state of his recruitment http://t.co/voyTE2cD (http://t.co/voyTE2cD)”
Could be just an oversight but it is interesting that he fails to mention Rutgers even though so many people insisted they lead for his services:
“It is alright to have all of the coaches calling me,” said Lawrence. “It is really difficult right now trying to figure out which college will be right for me. It is still a process right now and I am just going with it.”
He continued, “I am hearing from Cincinnati, St. John’s, Syracuse, Florida, UNLV, West Virginia, and a lot of others.”
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Anyone?
“@BSnowScout: Five-star Jermaine Lawrence reflects on his summer and the current state of his recruitment http://t.co/voyTE2cD (http://t.co/voyTE2cD)”
Could be just an oversight but it is interesting that he fails to mention Rutgers even though so many people insisted they lead for his services:
“It is alright to have all of the coaches calling me,” said Lawrence. “It is really difficult right now trying to figure out which college will be right for me. It is still a process right now and I am just going with it.”
He continued, “I am hearing from Cincinnati, St. John’s, Syracuse, Florida, UNLV, West Virginia, and a lot of others.”
Thanks Fordham!
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FWIW, no Rutgers;
“@mainestory44: My Final Top 7 in no specific order
Cincinnati, Kansas, Kentucky,
StJohns, Syracuse, UCLA, UNLV”
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FWIW, no Rutgers;
“@mainestory44: My Final Top 7 in no specific order
Cincinnati, Kansas, Kentucky,
StJohns, Syracuse, UCLA, UNLV”
Again don't kill him because it is not his fault but remember the quote from Borzello just before the July live period started where Jermaine said Rutgers, Syracuse and Florida were his top 3. RU and Florida don't even make his final 7...
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FWIW, no Rutgers;
“@mainestory44: My Final Top 7 in no specific order
Cincinnati, Kansas, Kentucky,
StJohns, Syracuse, UCLA, UNLV”
I absolutely love how our name keeps being mentioned with the "big boys". LOVE IT.
In Lavin We Trust.
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Cincy will be a big player for Lawrence
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Savino connect?
I have no intimate knowledge whatsoever, and Cincy is a good program, but I'd be more concerned about the others on that list. But who knows with this stuff.
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Jermaine seems like he is a NYer at heart. FWIW, I like our chances.
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Just being in play for a top NY talent against the top schools in the country is a sight to behold. If Lavin reels in Lawrence (or McCullough or Whitehead), talk about making a statement.
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Cincy will be a big player for Lawrence
Don't like what I have heard regarding Cincinnati's recruitment of Jermaine. I like our chances against anyone in regards to his recruitment.
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Cincy will be a big player for Lawrence
Don't like what I have heard regarding Cincinnati's recruitment of Jermaine. I like our chances against anyone in regards to his recruitment.
What have you heard?
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FWIW, no Rutgers;
“@mainestory44: My Final Top 7 in no specific order
Cincinnati, Kansas, Kentucky,
StJohns, Syracuse, UCLA, UNLV”
FWIW, Scout's West Coast recruiting guru responded to that quote with "UCLA not seriously involved"....
Also, with the NCAA's ruling on Roscoe Smith having to sit out a transfer year before joining UNLV for the 2014 season, you wonder if that impacts the Running Rebels chances with Lawrence....big difference having Roscoe there for only Jermaine's frosh year, and there both Frosh and Soph...
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Great to hear we are involved. Get Jakarr drafted, then slide in Lawrence.
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Great to hear we are involved. Get Jakarr drafted, then slide in Lawrence.
Jakarr will not be 1 and done.
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Great to hear we are involved. Get Jakarr drafted, then slide in Lawrence.
Jakarr will not be 1 and done.
Agree. But then again, at this time last year, neither was Moe. :)
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Great to hear we are involved. Get Jakarr drafted, then slide in Lawrence.
Jakarr will not be 1 and done.
Agree. But then again, at this time last year, neither was Moe. :)
And this time last year we thought Pelle and Jakarr would be joining Moe. Amir would play a full year. And Nuri wouldnt run when the going got tough.
Karr isn't getting the same touches that Moe got.
Aka extenuating circumstances.
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Great to hear we are involved. Get Jakarr drafted, then slide in Lawrence.
Jakarr will not be 1 and done.
Probably not. But Sanchez may be.
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I think he goes to cincy
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I think he goes to cincy
Well, I don't care to hear both Dave and KOB saying that. Then again, if we can land Jarrell Martin I won't care.
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I think he goes to cincy
Well, I don't care to hear both Dave and KOB saying that. Then again, if we can land Jarrell Martin I won't care.
Personally feel Martin is a tougher get.
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I'd move on from both
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I'd move on from both
Based on comments today about Lawrence, I must agree with you.
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Must add that the absence of some scheduled visits by now is a tad disappointing. No panic, but concerned. 2014 is to me the class that has "must gets". IMO, we can fan on Lawrence and Martin and survive. To not land a couple of blue chip guys we are targeting for 14 would be a problem. We'll see!
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Long way to go and he is unlikely to sign early which means this could stretch into the spring.
Take a deep breath.
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So Lawrence lists us in his top 7 but we're all ready to jump off a cliff because we have no shot at him? Wow!
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So Lawrence lists us in his top 7 but we're all ready to jump off a cliff because we have no shot at him? Wow!
Nobody is ready to jump off a cliff I'd just move on IMO. I would focus on Ndour but haven't heard boo on him since he's a JUCO and therefore not much going on during the summer.
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Truth be told, it's not going to kill us either way. It's still one of those classes that I'd like to see us land 2 legit guys, regardless of whether it is Lawrence. I'm sure we'll be involved with a few more big names before this is all over. Last kid who was a "lock" for Cincy was a kid named Chris Obekpa. It's real early and we only need one or two guys.
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Truth be told, it's not going to kill us either way. It's still one of those classes that I'd like to see us land 2 legit guys, regardless of whether it is Lawrence. I'm sure we'll be involved with a few more big names before this is all over. Last kid who was a "lock" for Cincy was a kid named Chris Obekpa. It's real early and we only need one or two guys.
I agree. I think waiting till spring isn't such a bad thing. Given as good as I think we'll play this year, and the low number of signees we're likely to need, I think Steve is going to be able to cherry-pick a bit from the top remaining talent come spring (including as you note, some guys not really in the discussion at the moment). A nice tourney run will make SJU much more attractive, as will Steve proving he's healthy and able to coach a full season.
Just my personal opinion.
A reminder - Steve landed Jason Kapono for UCLA only AFTER Baron Davis declared for the draft - Kap was heading to Missouri with best bud Josh Kroenke, when Baron's departure opened up 30 minutes of starting PT at UCLA. (And yes, Josh Kroenke is the son of Nuggets owner Stan Kroenke)....it was so late in recruiting that signing day was well past - Kap couldn't sign an LOI - only a grant-in-aid...
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Truth be told, it's not going to kill us either way. It's still one of those classes that I'd like to see us land 2 legit guys, regardless of whether it is Lawrence. I'm sure we'll be involved with a few more big names before this is all over. Last kid who was a "lock" for Cincy was a kid named Chris Obekpa. It's real early and we only need one or two guys.
I agree. I think waiting till spring isn't such a bad thing. Given as good as I think we'll play this year, and the low number of signees we're likely to need, I think Steve is going to be able to cherry-pick a bit from the top remaining talent come spring (including as you note, some guys not really in the discussion at the moment). A nice tourney run will make SJU much more attractive, as will Steve proving he's healthy and able to coach a full season.
Just my personal opinion.
A reminder - Steve landed Jason Kapono for UCLA only AFTER Baron Davis declared for the draft - Kap was heading to Missouri with best bud Josh Kroenke, when Baron's departure opened up 30 minutes of starting PT at UCLA. (And yes, Josh Kroenke is the son of Nuggets owner Stan Kroenke)....it was so late in recruiting that signing day was well past - Kap couldn't sign an LOI - only a grant-in-aid...
Agree
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Guys I don't know him personally. Its just a guest
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UK Rivals site talked to Jermaine. Again he is going to decide next spring.
"Cutting my list to just seven was a stressful process," Lawrence told Cats Illustrated. "There's no real way to know that a college is 100 percent the right fit for you, and it's such an important decision in determining your future, so it really stressed me out at several times.
"At the end of the day I think that those seven schools give me the best chance to be successful and lead me towards the future that I have envisioned for myself."
Via Twitter, Lawrence named Kentucky, UCLA, Kansas, St. Johns, Cincinnati, Syracuse and UNLV as his seven finalists while also mentioning that all seven schools stood on level ground in his mind.
"The schools that I'm still interested in are saying that they're recruiting me as a small forward," said Lawrence, "I think that the three is my best position but I understand if they put me down low as well.
"I'm tall, I'm long I do a lot of things on the floor so I can play either spot. I'd rather be on the court then on the bench complaining about a position."
Lawrence's seven finalists don't have much in common. There are west coast schools, east coast schools, programs from the south and even one team that does not play in a traditional "big six" conference.
With his final decision being held off into the spring, Lawrence is still trying to decide exactly what he is looking for in a school.
"Mainly, I want to be comfortable with the coaching staff," Lawrence said, "I know that I want to play in an up-tempo style because that fits my game and I'd love to play in a historically intense home environment."
http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1401260 (http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1401260)
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If he's committing in the Spring that list will change.
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If he's committing in the Spring that list will change.
Could but my guess is it will simply be cut down not expanded. He sounds pretty set and pretty relieved that he has his final list.
Again UK is a wild card. Obviously Cal as a coach and Kentucky as a program are a very difficult combo right now to beat on the recruiting front.
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In Pitt Cal left Harrison twins game to go see Lawrence. He's definitely on UK radar.
As for Cincy, Lawrence will be their Lance Stephenson. They need that prized recruit more so than anyone and will be there till the very end. Will they get him? Who knows but they will be a big player for him. Lawrence is an odd personality and he'd make one hell of a poker player. When I say odd there is nothing wrong with him but he is reserved and I could see him making a decision completely against the grain.
I know his high school coach and he's a good guy. I don't know his advisor (handler) personally but he is the guy running the show.
If I were to place a bet today I'd say Martin has a better chance coming to St. John's than Lawrence. If Martin comes here you can thank Ricardo Gathers.
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In Pitt Cal left Harrison twins game to go see Lawrence. He's definitely on UK radar.
As for Cincy, Lawrence will be their Lance Stephenson. They need that prized recruit more so than anyone and will be there till the very end. Will they get him? Who knows but they will be a big player for him. Lawrence is an odd personality and he'd make one hell of a poker player. When I say odd there is nothing wrong with him but he is reserved and I could see him making a decision completely against the grain.
I know his high school coach and he's a good guy. I don't know his advisor (handler) personally but he is the guy running the show.
If I were to place a bet today I'd say Martin has a better chance coming to St. John's than Lawrence. If Martin comes here you can thank Ricardo Gathers.
Isn't Lawrence's handler a female or did I just read your sentence wrong.
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In Pitt Cal left Harrison twins game to go see Lawrence. He's definitely on UK radar.
As for Cincy, Lawrence will be their Lance Stephenson. They need that prized recruit more so than anyone and will be there till the very end. Will they get him? Who knows but they will be a big player for him. Lawrence is an odd personality and he'd make one hell of a poker player. When I say odd there is nothing wrong with him but he is reserved and I could see him making a decision completely against the grain.
I know his high school coach and he's a good guy. I don't know his advisor (handler) personally but he is the guy running the show.
If I were to place a bet today I'd say Martin has a better chance coming to St. John's than Lawrence. If Martin comes here you can thank Ricardo Gathers.
Isn't Lawrence's handler a female or did I just read your sentence wrong.
Lawrence will stay close to continue to participate in his church activities. His mother is no joke .
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In Pitt Cal left Harrison twins game to go see Lawrence. He's definitely on UK radar.
As for Cincy, Lawrence will be their Lance Stephenson. They need that prized recruit more so than anyone and will be there till the very end. Will they get him? Who knows but they will be a big player for him. Lawrence is an odd personality and he'd make one hell of a poker player. When I say odd there is nothing wrong with him but he is reserved and I could see him making a decision completely against the grain.
I know his high school coach and he's a good guy. I don't know his advisor (handler) personally but he is the guy running the show.
If I were to place a bet today I'd say Martin has a better chance coming to St. John's than Lawrence. If Martin comes here you can thank Ricardo Gathers.
Isn't Lawrence's handler a female or did I just read your sentence wrong.
Lawrence will stay close to continue to participate in his church activities. His mother is no joke .
If Mom wins out yes. But that damn handler.
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Great to hear we are involved. Get Jakarr drafted, then slide in Lawrence.
If we keep losing our top recruits after one season, we are going to keep winning 14 games per season. Harkless should be the exception, not the rule.
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Great to hear we are involved. Get Jakarr drafted, then slide in Lawrence.
If we keep losing our top recruits after one season, we are going to keep winning 14 games per season. Harkless should be the exception, not the rule.
Um. No
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Great to hear we are involved. Get Jakarr drafted, then slide in Lawrence.
If we keep losing our top recruits after one season, we are going to keep winning 14 games per season. Harkless should be the exception, not the rule.
That's why we go so deep into our bench with top players. How many teams out there have top 70 kids like Sir'Dom Pointer coming in off the bench. If we lose a stud like Harkless it is a win for the kid and a win for SJU. The best programs lose top players all the time but don't lose a step. New studs fill in. It's the direction we're headed. I think this years team will show why that is so. We will be deep with talent.
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Great to hear we are involved. Get Jakarr drafted, then slide in Lawrence.
If we keep losing our top recruits after one season, we are going to keep winning 14 games per season. Harkless should be the exception, not the rule.
Another genius statement. Equating losing a player or two early to completely overturning your entire roster.
Harkless made a distrastrous mistake entering the draft despite later going 15th.
SJU hiring an assistant off of a fractured staff is somehow unprecedented.
Tom Pecora is finished at Fordham after just two years because it is unlikely he will have Fordham in the NCAA's this year.
And now SJU is in deep trouble if they lose a one and done kid.
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As for Cincy, Lawrence will be their Lance Stephenson.
Wouldn't Lance Stephenson have been their Lance Stephenson?
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Great to hear we are involved. Get Jakarr drafted, then slide in Lawrence.
If we keep losing our top recruits after one season, we are going to keep winning 14 games per season. Harkless should be the exception, not the rule.
SJU hiring an assistant off of a fractured staff is somehow unprecedented.
Tom Pecora is finished at Fordham after just two years because it is unlikely he will have Fordham in the NCAA's this year.
And now SJU is in deep trouble if they lose a one and done kid.
Regarding hiring an assistant off of a "fractured" staff, I don't recall what you're talking about. But I applaud your memory, and the sincere devotion you clearly give to my posts.
Yes, Pecora failed at Fordham. It is unlikely he'll have them in any tournament this season. I never said that he failed because he won't have them in the NCAAs. Take that devotion one step further, and read more carefully.
And again, I never said that we are in deep trouble because we're losing one kid. I said that if it becomes a pattern, we are going to win 14 games every year. So, to be more clear, and I'm going to ask you to read this slowly, so it sinks in, I said "Harkless should be the exception, not the rule." Do you understand what means? It means that if a kid goes pro after one year occasionally, it won't hurt us. Actually, it might even help us. That makes it the exception. If several of our top freshman leave after one year, we are in trouble.
Do you still disagree with any of this? If so, have at it super-smart Fordham guy.
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Right. I was way off, I will move on.
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Right. I was way off, I will move on.
You're welcome
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I can't believe people are worried about recruiting, staff just pulled off their second fantastic class. We have 1 (maybe 2) ships to give. We were all over the country for the summer circuit.
I may be in the minority but I think we land one of the two in Lawrence or Martin then pull out another recruit in the mold of a role player (4 year guy)
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Right. I was way off, I will move on.
Your welcome
It's not mine it's yours.
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I can't believe people are worried about recruiting, staff just pulled off their second fantastic class. We have 1 (maybe 2) ships to give. We were all over the country for the summer circuit.
I may be in the minority but I think we land one of the two in Lawrence or Martin then pull out another recruit in the mold of a role player (4 year guy)
That would be perfect Ted. And for the same reasons you mentioned, I'm not worried about recruiting either. With so few scholarships likely to be available, the staff can zero in on one or two recruits. We'll be fine.
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Great to hear we are involved. Get Jakarr drafted, then slide in Lawrence.
If we keep losing our top recruits after one season, we are going to keep winning 14 games per season. Harkless should be the exception, not the rule.
SJU hiring an assistant off of a fractured staff is somehow unprecedented.
Tom Pecora is finished at Fordham after just two years because it is unlikely he will have Fordham in the NCAA's this year.
And now SJU is in deep trouble if they lose a one and done kid.
Regarding hiring an assistant off of a "fractured" staff, I don't recall what you're talking about. But I applaud your memory, and the sincere devotion you clearly give to my posts.
Yes, Pecora failed at Fordham. It is unlikely he'll have them in any tournament this season. I never said that he failed because he won't have them in the NCAAs. Take that devotion one step further, and read more carefully.
And again, I never said that we are in deep trouble because we're losing one kid. I said that if it becomes a pattern, we are going to win 14 games every year. So, to be more clear, and I'm going to ask you to read this slowly, so it sinks in, I said "Harkless should be the exception, not the rule." Do you understand what means? It means that if a kid goes pro after one year occasionally, it won't hurt us. Actually, it might even help us. That makes it the exception. If several of our top freshman leave after one year, we are in trouble.
Do you still disagree with any of this? If so, have at it super-smart Fordham guy.
I would welcome one and done players every single year. I don't understand your logic that continually having one and done players is a bad thing. Kentucky has 2-4 every year. We have a good core group of players already. Jakarr going pro will not be the end of the world (I realize he's far from being NBA ready).
Hypothetically, if Jakarr goes pro, and we get Lawrence, and he's a one and done, making it a pattern, you're saying that this core of players will win 14 games:
Obekpa Jr.
Sir'Dom Sr.
Harrison Sr.
Branch Sr.
Bench:
Greene Sr.
Bourgault
Hooper
Jones
McCullough? Possibly continuing the trend. Plus, whoever else Lavin is able to get, and I can guarantee you he'll get some good ones.
I think we're talking a lot more than 14 wins there
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Jermaine Lawrence (18), Kentan Facey (62), Terrence Samuel (112), Hassan Martin (134) and Jon Severe (150) all in latest Rivals rankings.”
J. Martin #10, Jordan #26
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Guess Lawrence's comment that he would like to play "in a historically intense home environment" is the reason many of you feel like he will be a difficult get. Well maybe our home crowd is not a historically intense environment but maybe the streets of NYC (where you have to duck an almost daily fuselage of bullets both from perps and cops) will suffice. :)
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My man severe finally in the top 150
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Great to hear we are involved. Get Jakarr drafted, then slide in Lawrence.
If we keep losing our top recruits after one season, we are going to keep winning 14 games per season. Harkless should be the exception, not the rule.
SJU hiring an assistant off of a fractured staff is somehow unprecedented.
Tom Pecora is finished at Fordham after just two years because it is unlikely he will have Fordham in the NCAA's this year.
And now SJU is in deep trouble if they lose a one and done kid.
Regarding hiring an assistant off of a "fractured" staff, I don't recall what you're talking about. But I applaud your memory, and the sincere devotion you clearly give to my posts.
Yes, Pecora failed at Fordham. It is unlikely he'll have them in any tournament this season. I never said that he failed because he won't have them in the NCAAs. Take that devotion one step further, and read more carefully.
And again, I never said that we are in deep trouble because we're losing one kid. I said that if it becomes a pattern, we are going to win 14 games every year. So, to be more clear, and I'm going to ask you to read this slowly, so it sinks in, I said "Harkless should be the exception, not the rule." Do you understand what means? It means that if a kid goes pro after one year occasionally, it won't hurt us. Actually, it might even help us. That makes it the exception. If several of our top freshman leave after one year, we are in trouble.
Do you still disagree with any of this? If so, have at it super-smart Fordham guy.
I would welcome one and done players every single year. I don't understand your logic that continually having one and done players is a bad thing. Kentucky has 2-4 every year. We have a good core group of players already. Jakarr going pro will not be the end of the world (I realize he's far from being NBA ready).
Hypothetically, if Jakarr goes pro, and we get Lawrence, and he's a one and done, making it a pattern, you're saying that this core of players will win 14 games:
Obekpa Jr.
Sir'Dom Sr.
Harrison Sr.
Branch Sr.
Bench:
Greene Sr.
Bourgault
Hooper
Jones
McCullough? Possibly continuing the trend. Plus, whoever else Lavin is able to get, and I can guarantee you he'll get some good ones.
I think we're talking a lot more than 14 wins there
If we land 6 McDonald All Americans every year like Kentucky does, I would have absolutely no problem with every kid leaving for the pros every year.
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Great to hear we are involved. Get Jakarr drafted, then slide in Lawrence.
If we keep losing our top recruits after one season, we are going to keep winning 14 games per season. Harkless should be the exception, not the rule.
SJU hiring an assistant off of a fractured staff is somehow unprecedented.
Tom Pecora is finished at Fordham after just two years because it is unlikely he will have Fordham in the NCAA's this year.
And now SJU is in deep trouble if they lose a one and done kid.
Regarding hiring an assistant off of a "fractured" staff, I don't recall what you're talking about. But I applaud your memory, and the sincere devotion you clearly give to my posts.
Yes, Pecora failed at Fordham. It is unlikely he'll have them in any tournament this season. I never said that he failed because he won't have them in the NCAAs. Take that devotion one step further, and read more carefully.
And again, I never said that we are in deep trouble because we're losing one kid. I said that if it becomes a pattern, we are going to win 14 games every year. So, to be more clear, and I'm going to ask you to read this slowly, so it sinks in, I said "Harkless should be the exception, not the rule." Do you understand what means? It means that if a kid goes pro after one year occasionally, it won't hurt us. Actually, it might even help us. That makes it the exception. If several of our top freshman leave after one year, we are in trouble.
Do you still disagree with any of this? If so, have at it super-smart Fordham guy.
I would welcome one and done players every single year. I don't understand your logic that continually having one and done players is a bad thing. Kentucky has 2-4 every year. We have a good core group of players already. Jakarr going pro will not be the end of the world (I realize he's far from being NBA ready).
Hypothetically, if Jakarr goes pro, and we get Lawrence, and he's a one and done, making it a pattern, you're saying that this core of players will win 14 games:
Obekpa Jr.
Sir'Dom Sr.
Harrison Sr.
Branch Sr.
Bench:
Greene Sr.
Bourgault
Hooper
Jones
McCullough? Possibly continuing the trend. Plus, whoever else Lavin is able to get, and I can guarantee you he'll get some good ones.
I think we're talking a lot more than 14 wins there
If we land 6 McDonald All Americans every year like Kentucky does, I would have absolutely no problem with every kid leaving for the pros every year.
I don't see the problem with getting one and done players...even if it's just one per year.
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Great to hear we are involved. Get Jakarr drafted, then slide in Lawrence.
If we keep losing our top recruits after one season, we are going to keep winning 14 games per season. Harkless should be the exception, not the rule.
SJU hiring an assistant off of a fractured staff is somehow unprecedented.
Tom Pecora is finished at Fordham after just two years because it is unlikely he will have Fordham in the NCAA's this year.
And now SJU is in deep trouble if they lose a one and done kid.
Regarding hiring an assistant off of a "fractured" staff, I don't recall what you're talking about. But I applaud your memory, and the sincere devotion you clearly give to my posts.
Yes, Pecora failed at Fordham. It is unlikely he'll have them in any tournament this season. I never said that he failed because he won't have them in the NCAAs. Take that devotion one step further, and read more carefully.
And again, I never said that we are in deep trouble because we're losing one kid. I said that if it becomes a pattern, we are going to win 14 games every year. So, to be more clear, and I'm going to ask you to read this slowly, so it sinks in, I said "Harkless should be the exception, not the rule." Do you understand what means? It means that if a kid goes pro after one year occasionally, it won't hurt us. Actually, it might even help us. That makes it the exception. If several of our top freshman leave after one year, we are in trouble.
Do you still disagree with any of this? If so, have at it super-smart Fordham guy.
I would welcome one and done players every single year. I don't understand your logic that continually having one and done players is a bad thing. Kentucky has 2-4 every year. We have a good core group of players already. Jakarr going pro will not be the end of the world (I realize he's far from being NBA ready).
Hypothetically, if Jakarr goes pro, and we get Lawrence, and he's a one and done, making it a pattern, you're saying that this core of players will win 14 games:
Obekpa Jr.
Sir'Dom Sr.
Harrison Sr.
Branch Sr.
Bench:
Greene Sr.
Bourgault
Hooper
Jones
McCullough? Possibly continuing the trend. Plus, whoever else Lavin is able to get, and I can guarantee you he'll get some good ones.
I think we're talking a lot more than 14 wins there
If we land 6 McDonald All Americans every year like Kentucky does, I would have absolutely no problem with every kid leaving for the pros every year.
I don't see the problem with getting one and done players...even if it's just one per year.
The problem is that you're going to have a lot of trouble with continuity. For programs like Kentucky and Duke, who replace Anthony Davis with Nerlens Noel, you're right it really doesn't matter.
I love Lavin, but I don't think it's ever going to be realistic to expect that kind of recruiting class every year.
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Great to hear we are involved. Get Jakarr drafted, then slide in Lawrence.
If we keep losing our top recruits after one season, we are going to keep winning 14 games per season. Harkless should be the exception, not the rule.
SJU hiring an assistant off of a fractured staff is somehow unprecedented.
Tom Pecora is finished at Fordham after just two years because it is unlikely he will have Fordham in the NCAA's this year.
And now SJU is in deep trouble if they lose a one and done kid.
Regarding hiring an assistant off of a "fractured" staff, I don't recall what you're talking about. But I applaud your memory, and the sincere devotion you clearly give to my posts.
Yes, Pecora failed at Fordham. It is unlikely he'll have them in any tournament this season. I never said that he failed because he won't have them in the NCAAs. Take that devotion one step further, and read more carefully.
And again, I never said that we are in deep trouble because we're losing one kid. I said that if it becomes a pattern, we are going to win 14 games every year. So, to be more clear, and I'm going to ask you to read this slowly, so it sinks in, I said "Harkless should be the exception, not the rule." Do you understand what means? It means that if a kid goes pro after one year occasionally, it won't hurt us. Actually, it might even help us. That makes it the exception. If several of our top freshman leave after one year, we are in trouble.
Do you still disagree with any of this? If so, have at it super-smart Fordham guy.
I would welcome one and done players every single year. I don't understand your logic that continually having one and done players is a bad thing. Kentucky has 2-4 every year. We have a good core group of players already. Jakarr going pro will not be the end of the world (I realize he's far from being NBA ready).
Hypothetically, if Jakarr goes pro, and we get Lawrence, and he's a one and done, making it a pattern, you're saying that this core of players will win 14 games:
Obekpa Jr.
Sir'Dom Sr.
Harrison Sr.
Branch Sr.
Bench:
Greene Sr.
Bourgault
Hooper
Jones
McCullough? Possibly continuing the trend. Plus, whoever else Lavin is able to get, and I can guarantee you he'll get some good ones.
I think we're talking a lot more than 14 wins there
If we land 6 McDonald All Americans every year like Kentucky does, I would have absolutely no problem with every kid leaving for the pros every year.
I don't see the problem with getting one and done players...even if it's just one per year.
The problem is that you're going to have a lot of trouble with continuity. For programs like Kentucky and Duke, who replace Anthony Davis with Nerlens Noel, you're right it really doesn't matter.
I love Lavin, but I don't think it's ever going to be realistic to expect that kind of recruiting class every year.
I agree with you, we're not going to be able to recruit all-americans year in and year out.
But what would you do differently Poison? NOT recruit guys like Lawrence and Mccullough ?
I can't really think of a successful program in this era that doesn't deal with one and dones.
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Great to hear we are involved. Get Jakarr drafted, then slide in Lawrence.
If we keep losing our top recruits after one season, we are going to keep winning 14 games per season. Harkless should be the exception, not the rule.
SJU hiring an assistant off of a fractured staff is somehow unprecedented.
Tom Pecora is finished at Fordham after just two years because it is unlikely he will have Fordham in the NCAA's this year.
And now SJU is in deep trouble if they lose a one and done kid.
Regarding hiring an assistant off of a "fractured" staff, I don't recall what you're talking about. But I applaud your memory, and the sincere devotion you clearly give to my posts.
Yes, Pecora failed at Fordham. It is unlikely he'll have them in any tournament this season. I never said that he failed because he won't have them in the NCAAs. Take that devotion one step further, and read more carefully.
And again, I never said that we are in deep trouble because we're losing one kid. I said that if it becomes a pattern, we are going to win 14 games every year. So, to be more clear, and I'm going to ask you to read this slowly, so it sinks in, I said "Harkless should be the exception, not the rule." Do you understand what means? It means that if a kid goes pro after one year occasionally, it won't hurt us. Actually, it might even help us. That makes it the exception. If several of our top freshman leave after one year, we are in trouble.
Do you still disagree with any of this? If so, have at it super-smart Fordham guy.
I would welcome one and done players every single year. I don't understand your logic that continually having one and done players is a bad thing. Kentucky has 2-4 every year. We have a good core group of players already. Jakarr going pro will not be the end of the world (I realize he's far from being NBA ready).
Hypothetically, if Jakarr goes pro, and we get Lawrence, and he's a one and done, making it a pattern, you're saying that this core of players will win 14 games:
Obekpa Jr.
Sir'Dom Sr.
Harrison Sr.
Branch Sr.
Bench:
Greene Sr.
Bourgault
Hooper
Jones
McCullough? Possibly continuing the trend. Plus, whoever else Lavin is able to get, and I can guarantee you he'll get some good ones.
I think we're talking a lot more than 14 wins there
If we land 6 McDonald All Americans every year like Kentucky does, I would have absolutely no problem with every kid leaving for the pros every year.
I don't see the problem with getting one and done players...even if it's just one per year.
The problem is that you're going to have a lot of trouble with continuity. For programs like Kentucky and Duke, who replace Anthony Davis with Nerlens Noel, you're right it really doesn't matter.
I love Lavin, but I don't think it's ever going to be realistic to expect that kind of recruiting class every year.
I agree with you, we're not going to be able to recruit all-americans year in and year out.
But what would you do differently Poison? NOT recruit guys like Lawrence and Mccullough ?
I can't really think of a successful program in this era that doesn't deal with one and dones.
Hey, I'm happier with Obekpa than I would be with Noel (seen Nerlens only 8 times, but totally UNimpressed each time). But that's just me. :)
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Great to hear we are involved. Get Jakarr drafted, then slide in Lawrence.
If we keep losing our top recruits after one season, we are going to keep winning 14 games per season. Harkless should be the exception, not the rule.
SJU hiring an assistant off of a fractured staff is somehow unprecedented.
Tom Pecora is finished at Fordham after just two years because it is unlikely he will have Fordham in the NCAA's this year.
And now SJU is in deep trouble if they lose a one and done kid.
Regarding hiring an assistant off of a "fractured" staff, I don't recall what you're talking about. But I applaud your memory, and the sincere devotion you clearly give to my posts.
Yes, Pecora failed at Fordham. It is unlikely he'll have them in any tournament this season. I never said that he failed because he won't have them in the NCAAs. Take that devotion one step further, and read more carefully.
And again, I never said that we are in deep trouble because we're losing one kid. I said that if it becomes a pattern, we are going to win 14 games every year. So, to be more clear, and I'm going to ask you to read this slowly, so it sinks in, I said "Harkless should be the exception, not the rule." Do you understand what means? It means that if a kid goes pro after one year occasionally, it won't hurt us. Actually, it might even help us. That makes it the exception. If several of our top freshman leave after one year, we are in trouble.
Do you still disagree with any of this? If so, have at it super-smart Fordham guy.
I would welcome one and done players every single year. I don't understand your logic that continually having one and done players is a bad thing. Kentucky has 2-4 every year. We have a good core group of players already. Jakarr going pro will not be the end of the world (I realize he's far from being NBA ready).
Hypothetically, if Jakarr goes pro, and we get Lawrence, and he's a one and done, making it a pattern, you're saying that this core of players will win 14 games:
Obekpa Jr.
Sir'Dom Sr.
Harrison Sr.
Branch Sr.
Bench:
Greene Sr.
Bourgault
Hooper
Jones
McCullough? Possibly continuing the trend. Plus, whoever else Lavin is able to get, and I can guarantee you he'll get some good ones.
I think we're talking a lot more than 14 wins there
If we land 6 McDonald All Americans every year like Kentucky does, I would have absolutely no problem with every kid leaving for the pros every year.
I don't see the problem with getting one and done players...even if it's just one per year.
The problem is that you're going to have a lot of trouble with continuity. For programs like Kentucky and Duke, who replace Anthony Davis with Nerlens Noel, you're right it really doesn't matter.
I love Lavin, but I don't think it's ever going to be realistic to expect that kind of recruiting class every year.
I agree with you, we're not going to be able to recruit all-americans year in and year out.
But what would you do differently Poison? NOT recruit guys like Lawrence and Mccullough ?
I can't really think of a successful program in this era that doesn't deal with one and dones.
Hey, I'm happier with Obekpa than I would be with Noel (seen Nerlens only 8 times, but totally UNimpressed each time). But that's just me. :)
Really? That overrated huh? Interesting.
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Noel has some nice shotblocking skills,,but I agree he is a bit overrated. He doesn't have much else just yet. Certainly potential there, but there are quite a few big men that are better overall in the class. I think obekpa is probably as good. Steve Adams of Pitt is probably the biggest stud of the group with his size and overall skill set.
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Noel has some nice shotblocking skills,,but I agree he is a bit overrated. He doesn't have much else just yet. Certainly potential there, but there are quite a few big men that are better overall in the class. I think obekpa is probably as good. Steve Adams of Pitt is probably the biggest stud of the group with his size and overall skill set.
Definitely not Anthony Davis and that's what Kentucky fans think they are getting
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What do people here think of Hassan? If we don't lose anyone and the recruitment of Lawrence or Martin doesn't pan out, I actually don't think I'd be angry with a local semi-big that we can develop.
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A little off this topic but Celtics11..
but maybe the streets of NYC (where you have to duck an almost daily fuselage of bullets both from perps and cops) will suffice. :)
The smily face you inserted in there makes me believe you are trying to make a joke in light of the shooting at the Empire State building last week. . not funny at all.. people died..
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Certainly potential there, but there are quite a few big men that are better overall in the class.
So all of the "recruiting experts" that him ranked #1 in 2013, then immediately had right at the top of 2012 when he reclassified are wrong..?
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What do people here think of Hassan? If we don't lose anyone and the recruitment of Lawrence or Martin doesn't pan out, I actually don't think I'd be angry with a local semi-big that we can develop.
I'd focus on Ndour.
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What do people here think of Hassan? If we don't lose anyone and the recruitment of Lawrence or Martin doesn't pan out, I actually don't think I'd be angry with a local semi-big that we can develop.
I'd focus on Ndour.
Ironically Cinci has also offered. Agree he is worth pursuing.
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What do people here think of Hassan? If we don't lose anyone and the recruitment of Lawrence or Martin doesn't pan out, I actually don't think I'd be angry with a local semi-big that we can develop.
Rather go true big or guard (severe) we have enough guys his size who play the perimeter ( pointer, hooper, Amir)
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And as I walk in my barbershop I'm greeted by all 6'8 of jermaine Lawrence
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Do you happen to have an LOI for him to sign?
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Do you happen to have an LOI for him to sign?
Kid has a mean poker face , the st johns questions were brutal but he didn't even flinch he's been coached quite well when it comes to this
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was jim calhoun or kevin ollie in the barbershop.....
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was jim calhoun or kevin ollie in the barbershop.....
we know Ed Cooley wasnt..
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was jim calhoun or kevin ollie in the barbershop.....
we know Ed Cooley wasnt..
'He's a clown bro'
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A little off this topic but Celtics11..
but maybe the streets of NYC (where you have to duck an almost daily fuselage of bullets both from perps and cops) will suffice. :)
The smily face you inserted in there makes me believe you are trying to make a joke in light of the shooting at the Empire State building last week. . not funny at all.. people died..
Bullets have been flying in NYC and everywhere else for hundreds of years-would never make fun of any incident. Smiley face was my making fun of substituting a home hoop crowd with bullets flying as a "historically intense home environment" requirement for Lawrence to pick a school. But thank-you for your attempt to keep me in check as I would hate to run afoul of the politically correct crowd.
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FWIW, local SJU supporter & "Maven of Hoops" told me same thing recently.
“@JonRothstein: Hearing UNLV picking up a lot of steam in the Jermaine Lawrence sweepstakes. Rebels have made Sin City a destination for top tier talent.”
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“@TheRecruitScoop: Syracuse's Jim Boeheim conducted an in-home visit with Tyler Roberson, & watched Malachi Richardson & Jermaine Lawrence workout today.”
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“@AdamZagoria: Hard-working Cincinnati asst & Jersey native Darren Savino watched 2013 F Jermaine Lawrence today at Pope John (NJ)”
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Apparently JL's injured hand has not healed, seeing a specialist shortly.
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No longer doomed!
“@NYPost_Brazille: Jermaine Lawrence will attend St. John's Midnight Madness, per @TheRecruitScoop. #collegehoops”
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Been told Jermaine Lawrence will take officials to St. John's, UNLV and Cincy in November, Kansas also possibility. #collegehoops”
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A local kid taking an official to SJU. First Rysheed coming up the Turnpike and now Jermaine, interesting.
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great to see Jermaine coming to the Midnight Madness
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His oft criticized advisor is front and center.
“@AdamZagoria: Jermaine Lawrence Setting Visits; Brown to SMU http://t.co/J8UTZYxV (http://t.co/J8UTZYxV)”
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“@mainestory: so today was my last day of physical therapy for my ankle. now waiting for my wrist to heal. then ill b back like i never left!”
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Wingate story from Rivals.com:
http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1428202 (http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1428202)
Says he is looking forward to coming back from injury and may cut list further once season starts:
The time off hasn't affected Lawrence's recruiting. Having picked up a plethora of offers, he has since whittled that list down to seven elite schools. "Kentucky, UCLA, UNLV, St. John's Cincinnati, Kansas and Syracuse," he said.
"As you can see, my schools are all around the country so location doesn't matter to me. I just have to be comfortable with the coaches," Lawrence said.
In addition to watching games, Lawrence said he plans to start setting up visits with the first being around thanksgiving. Although, unsure as to which school it would be. "I'm [also] gonna try to set up Cincinnati Kansas and Syracuse," he added.
As far as next steps, Lawrence said that he intends to cut that list "down some more before the season starts."
With his injury fast approaching his rear view mirror. Lawrence said he will return to the court with a vengeance. "It will be as if I never left."
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“@mainestory: Well I got 4 weeks left in this wrist brace then rehab. so hype to get back on the court. Glad the season starts late.”
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According to his twitter he's at our game.
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Twitter reports that he's front and center at SJU game and wearing Red... ;)
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Twitter reports that he's front and center at SJU game and wearing Red... ;)
Jermaine and Rysheed would be a great haul.
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Twitter reports that he's front and center at SJU game and wearing Red... ;)
He was first row behind the scorers table. He was with someone else too. Not sure who.
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Twitter reports that he's front and center at SJU game and wearing Red... ;)
Jermaine and Rysheed would be a great haul.
Optimal haul. Two pros.
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@SammyAlbano: Steve Lavin w/ Jermaine Lawrence+his mom IMMEDIATELY after Johnny exihibition win today! JL decked in red!
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@SammyAlbano: Steve Lavin w/ Jermaine Lawrence+his mom IMMEDIATELY after Johnny exihibition win today! JL decked in red!
Great to hear. Would be a huge pickup!
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@SammyAlbano: Steve Lavin w/ Jermaine Lawrence+his mom IMMEDIATELY after Johnny exihibition win today! JL decked in red!
The Maven lives?
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@SammyAlbano: Steve Lavin w/ Jermaine Lawrence+his mom IMMEDIATELY after Johnny exihibition win today! JL decked in red!
The Maven lives?
Yes sir
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The other kid jermaine was with during the game is former teammate 6'6 Daniel Janel a forward at cordozo Highschool right now. Probably not a d1 prospect
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Sammy Albano @SammyAlbano
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Just a gut but getting the feeling that JL signing early w/SJU. @rgsaunders1 @TheoRabinowitz @PJ_Buckley
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Don't know if he's in the know although his bigeastboards time is well chronicled. Hope he's right though. In my opinion lawerence and McCullough are even. And I would rather have rysheed than whitehead
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Please be true!!! Please!!!!
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Don't know if he's in the know although his bigeastboards time is well chronicled. Hope he's right though. In my opinion lawerence and McCullough are even. And I would rather have rysheed than whitehead
Still in the know.
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If maven is hearing something, it is likely true.
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Either way he mentions it is just a gut
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Another point on McCullough: Could help St. John's with Jermaine Lawrence play the same position, Just my opinion, no facts behind it.”
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Either way he mentions it is just a gut
Maven doesn't just post from his "gut". Not saying he knows for sure, but he's likely heard something for him to post it. He likes to be right.
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Either way he mentions it is just a gut
Maven doesn't just post from his "gut". Not saying he knows for sure, but he's likely heard something for him to post it. He likes to be right.
+1
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It would be really great to see Jermaine sign with St. John's in the early signing period. SJU fans are in dire need of good news on the recruiting front.
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People are overreacting. This year is not like the last 2 years were we had to fill a lot of spots. We only have a couple of scholis to fill and we have a lot of great talent on this team.It is early nov and people are panicking. Lavin didnt sign most of last years recruits untill spring, we had to be concerned last year.
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People are overreacting. This year is not like the last 2 years were we had to fill a lot of spots. We only have a couple of scholis to fill and we have a lot of great talent on this team.It is early nov and people are panicking. Lavin didnt sign most of last years recruits untill spring, we had to be concerned last year.
Very true, but Jermaine Lawrence is a top 20 recruit and makes a big statement, especially after losing McCullough. Both different players, but same height and both going to be pros.
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In both of their respective classes Jermaine and McCullough were ranked in about the same range. Just curious, who do you guys think is the better overall prospect? And also who do you think would have/could fit in better with our current roster and system?
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Maven doesn't just post from his "gut". He likes to be right.
LOL, ya reckon?
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Maven doesn't just post from his "gut". He likes to be right.
LOL, ya reckon?
I'm also hoping he likes to be right immediately before something happens so it's fresh in his worshipers' memories.
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Cincy just got a verbal from a 2013 big man, not sure what their scholly situation looks like:
http://bearcatsnation.com/2012/11/06/center-jamaree-strickland-picks-the-cincinnati-bearcats/ (http://bearcatsnation.com/2012/11/06/center-jamaree-strickland-picks-the-cincinnati-bearcats/)
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Does anyone think that Lawrence knew before hand that these other signings would happen (at cuse and Cincy) which is why people think he is leaning SJU, or is it the case that the other schools knew Lawrence would go to SJU so they had to go another route?
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Does anyone think that Lawrence knew before hand that these other signings would happen (at cuse and Cincy) which is why people think he is leaning SJU, or is it the case that the other schools knew Lawrence would go to SJU so they had to go another route?
Didn't know of them prior. Its just the way dominoes have fallen to date.
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Whos the main comp with him at this point? Cincy? UNLV? Kansas? Cant be Cuse and Kentucky given their commitments, right?
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Whos the main comp with him at this point? Cincy? UNLV? Kansas? Cant be Cuse and Kentucky given their commitments, right?
Thats a good question.
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Hearing as of right now its pretty much St. John's, Cinc, Cuse, and UNLV.
He has a great relationship with Cinc staff.
It's recruiting things always changing but that's last I heard recently.
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Cincy just got a verbal from a 2013 big man, not sure what their scholly situation looks like:
http://bearcatsnation.com/2012/11/06/center-jamaree-strickland-picks-the-cincinnati-bearcats/ (http://bearcatsnation.com/2012/11/06/center-jamaree-strickland-picks-the-cincinnati-bearcats/)
He's from my neck of the woods -- I was actually wondering what had happened to him just the other day. I was actually hoping Lavin would poke around last season, because if he's healthy he's pretty good and his size is legit.
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“@mainestory: My final list is UNLV, St Johns, Syracuse and Cincinnati.
Looking forward to this upcoming season. Still making my decision in the spring.”
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“@Rebel_Net: http://t.co/zXWUgvpq (http://t.co/zXWUgvpq) - Jermaine Lawrence set to visit #UNLV http://t.co/0XFTt7rx (http://t.co/0XFTt7rx) #unlvmbb @mainestory #rivals @Rivals”
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My in-laws just arrived, so I thought I would get a "doomed" out of someone.
“@EvanDanielsFOX: Manhattan had five-star forward Jermaine Lawrence at their game against Hofstra yesterday.”
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My in-laws just arrived, so I thought I would get a "doomed" out of someone.
“@EvanDanielsFOX: Manhattan had five-star forward Jermaine Lawrence at their game against Hofstra yesterday.”
Haha even I won't touch that.
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My in-laws just arrived, so I thought I would get a "doomed" out of someone.
“@EvanDanielsFOX: Manhattan had five-star forward Jermaine Lawrence at their game against Hofstra yesterday.”
Haha even I won't touch that.
So his new list is now SJU, UNLV, Syracuse, Cincinnati and....Manhattan!!!
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My in-laws just arrived, so I thought I would get a "doomed" out of someone.
“@EvanDanielsFOX: Manhattan had five-star forward Jermaine Lawrence at their game against Hofstra yesterday.”
Haha even I won't touch that.
So his new list is now SJU, UNLV, Syracuse, Cincinnati and....Manhattan!!!
Nah, SJU eliminated! Couldn't resist, in laws have not left yet. Come on, the hour is up!
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Zags;
Jermaine Lawrence Visits UNLV, Cincinnati
November 27th, 2012 11:34 am
Not much has been heard on the Jermaine Lawrence recruiting front in recent weeks, but that appears to be changing now.
The 6-foot-10 forward from Pope John in Sparta, N.J., took an official visit to UNLV last weekend and heads on one to Cincinnati this weekend, his coach, Jason Hasson, told SNY.tv.
“He said he liked UNLV a lot,” Hasson said in a brief text message.
Cincinnati hosts Alabama Saturday in the Big East/SEC Challenge.
Lawrence is a New York native and the Bearcats have had a number of New Yorkers in recent years, from Lance Stephenson to Sean Kilpatrick and Jermaine Sanders.
Lawrence recently cut his list to those two schools plus St. John’s and Syracuse and plans on signing in the spring.
“He could be very good but more than anything else, he needs experience, he needs playing time,” New York recruiting expert Tom Konchalski said. “He needs a lot of repetitions on the court in situations. He’s gotta learn to play hard all the time. When he does, he can be really a factor on the boards, especially on the offensive boards. And he changes ends as well as any big man you’ll find. He’s gotta build up his strength, his stamina and learn to play every possession.”
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Now he's 6'10..............
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“@mainestory: Omw home. Got some good news from the surgeon today! Said I could start shooting! So I'm back in the lab! Still can't compete tho. #Progress”
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“@AdamZagoria: Jermaine Lawrence's visit to Cincinnati this weekend has been postponed, his coach tells @SNYtv . Makeup date TBD.”
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“@AdamZagoria: Jermaine Lawrence's visit to Cincinnati this weekend has been postponed, his coach tells @SNYtv . Makeup date TBD.”
Hope he postpones it until we play Cincy next year and he is on our roster. :)
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FWIW ESPN insiders predicted the top unsigned players in 2013 and where they would end up-
http://insider.espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/basketball/mens/story/_/id/8691676/staff-predictions-undecided-espn-100-basketball-recruits (http://insider.espn.go.com/college-sports/recruiting/basketball/mens/story/_/id/8691676/staff-predictions-undecided-espn-100-basketball-recruits)
Jordan-
Biancardi- Temple
Finkelstein- STJ
Francisco- Cuse
LaPlante- STJ
Rankin- Temple
Stovall- Rutgers
Telep- STJ
Lawrence-
Biancardi- STJ
Finkelstein- STJ
Francisco- Cuse
LaPlante- Cuse
Rankin- STJ
Stovall- Cincy
Telep- Cincy
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Do we have 2 scholarships?
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Do we have 2 scholarships?
He must be pretty confident if he's floating them both so aggressively. Predicting scholarships doesnt seem to be simple under Lavin and that's fine by me.
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Whoever posted Rutgers for Jordan should not bellowed to write anymore
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Whoever posted Rutgers for Jordan should not bellowed to write anymore
The Rutgers and Cuse predictions are a bit off IMO. Cuse just has way too much coming and what they have coming in is maybe even better. We might be tight on ships but Jordan is probably better than what we have and also years are spaced out a bit.
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Lets hope Finkelstein is on to something here
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Maybe Rutgers and Cuse picks were made a while ago. Pretty sure Lavin will find room for 2 such highly rated recruits.
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“@AdamZagoria: 6-10 Jermaine Lawrence goes on an official to Cincinnati Friday but is out until early January with a ligament injury in his hand”
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“@AdamZagoria: 6-10 Jermaine Lawrence goes on an official to Cincinnati Friday but is out until early January with a ligament injury in his hand”
It would be nice to get an official with him so we can show him around and have him spend official time with the staff.
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“@AdamZagoria: 6-10 Jermaine Lawrence goes on an official to Cincinnati Friday but is out until early January with a ligament injury in his hand”
It would be nice to get an official with him so we can show him around and have him spend official time with the staff.
I think he's spent enough time to equal a number of officials by this point.
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“@AdamZagoria: 6-10 Jermaine Lawrence goes on an official to Cincinnati Friday but is out until early January with a ligament injury in his hand”
It would be nice to get an official with him so we can show him around and have him spend official time with the staff.
I think he's spent enough time to equal a number of officials by this point.
Yeah but there is value in spending time in the city, going to MSG seeing the locker rooms. having dinner with the staff. hanging out with the players etc.
We do very well after an official
I may be wrong but only kid we didn't land after an official was Gathers and even he was a verbal
Kyle never did an official
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“@AdamZagoria: 6-10 Jermaine Lawrence goes on an official to Cincinnati Friday but is out until early January with a ligament injury in his hand”
It would be nice to get an official with him so we can show him around and have him spend official time with the staff.
I think he's spent enough time to equal a number of officials by this point.
Yeah but there is value in spending time in the city, going to MSG seeing the locker rooms. having dinner with the staff. hanging out with the players etc.
We do very well after an official
I may be wrong but only kid we didn't land after an official was Gathers and even he was a verbal
Kyle never did an official
Most of the kids we landed the first year popped before visiting too.
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Jermaine Lawrence will visit Cincinnati officially Friday and St. John's will be next, I'm told. #stjbb #collegehoops”
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I may be wrong but only kid we didn't land after an official was Gathers and even he was a verbal
Kyle never did an official
Our duffle bag was not big enough..!!
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“@mainestory: Was shooting today, Wrist is feeling alil better. Hopefully I could come back sooner than planned!”
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Jermaine Lawrence will visit Cincinnati officially Friday and St. John's will be next, I'm told. #stjbb #collegehoops”
May be his last visit, I like it.
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“@AirJordan: @adamzagoria Jermaine Lawrence first row at UC game. Students chanting his name. http://t.co/nM7NwrPa (http://t.co/nM7NwrPa)”
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“@mainestory: Got so much love from the fans out here in Cincy #BearcatNation #CincyLove http://t.co/cz9k3R2n (http://t.co/cz9k3R2n)”
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“@mainestory: Got so much love from the fans out here in Cincy #BearcatNation #CincyLove http://t.co/cz9k3R2n (http://t.co/cz9k3R2n)”
Can't wait for him to come to STJ game and nobody knows who the heck he is.
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“@mainestory: Got so much love from the fans out here in Cincy #BearcatNation #CincyLove http://t.co/cz9k3R2n (http://t.co/cz9k3R2n)”
Can't wait for him to come to STJ game and nobody knows who the heck he is.
In support of your point;
“@tdawgcincy: Doing what we can to land Jermaine Lawrence! #Bearcats http://t.co/V279wUYS (http://t.co/V279wUYS)”
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“@mainestory: Got so much love from the fans out here in Cincy #BearcatNation #CincyLove http://t.co/cz9k3R2n (http://t.co/cz9k3R2n)”
Can't wait for him to come to STJ game and nobody knows who the heck he is.
That's just out fan bases way of playing hard to get.
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Student section usually knows these things. Last year they had chants for Gathers, I EVEN TOLD HIM I LOVED HIM. HE BROKE MY HEART. I HATE HIM NOW. </rant>
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Student section usually knows these things. Last year they had chants for Gathers, I EVEN TOLD HIM I LOVED HIM. HE BROKE MY HEART. I HATE HIM NOW. </rant>
Problem is we have a student section of lets say 50 kids thats really into it. I love you guys you bring it all the time. But our 50 vs whatever Cincy or these other schools have is apples to oranges.
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Student section usually knows these things. Last year they had chants for Gathers, I EVEN TOLD HIM I LOVED HIM. HE BROKE MY HEART. I HATE HIM NOW. </rant>
I hope you're female!
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Student section usually knows these things. Last year they had chants for Gathers, I EVEN TOLD HIM I LOVED HIM. HE BROKE MY HEART. I HATE HIM NOW. </rant>
Problem is we have a student section of lets say 50 kids thats really into it. I love you guys you bring it all the time. But our 50 vs whatever Cincy or these other schools have is apples to oranges.
Cincy is on break right now. Doubt they have more than a few thousand fans for this game.
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Student section usually knows these things. Last year they had chants for Gathers, I EVEN TOLD HIM I LOVED HIM. HE BROKE MY HEART. I HATE HIM NOW. </rant>
Problem is we have a student section of lets say 50 kids thats really into it. I love you guys you bring it all the time. But our 50 vs whatever Cincy or these other schools have is apples to oranges.
Cincy is on break right now. Doubt they have more than a few thousand fans for this game.
They had 9200 people.
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Student section usually knows these things. Last year they had chants for Gathers, I EVEN TOLD HIM I LOVED HIM. HE BROKE MY HEART. I HATE HIM NOW. </rant>
Problem is we have a student section of lets say 50 kids thats really into it. I love you guys you bring it all the time. But our 50 vs whatever Cincy or these other schools have is apples to oranges.
Cincy is on break right now. Doubt they have more than a few thousand fans for this game.
They had 9200 people.
Better than I expected. I guess being undefeated and ranked will do that
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Student section usually knows these things. Last year they had chants for Gathers, I EVEN TOLD HIM I LOVED HIM. HE BROKE MY HEART. I HATE HIM NOW. </rant>
I hope you're female!
No shame in loving a fellow male!
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Student section usually knows these things. Last year they had chants for Gathers, I EVEN TOLD HIM I LOVED HIM. HE BROKE MY HEART. I HATE HIM NOW. </rant>
I hope you're female!
No shame in loving a fellow male!
None at all. But if he doesn't share the attraction, it would not help pull him in.
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I don't know...
Might want to think aboout the big picture on this one. Odds are these mens basketball recruits are straight. A 17-18yo kid has guys throwing themselves at him...might be a difference maker vs a ranked team with girls throwing themselves at them.
That being said, we do appreciate your enthusiasm for the program.
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Close the deal Lav!!
MKC is Kline.
“@MKC2K13: 2012 MKC underclassmen co-MVP Jermaine Lawrence is down to Cincinnati, UNLV & St. John's. He will decide soon.”
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I know Im stating the obvious but we really could use him. A 6 10 stud is just what the dr ordered.
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I hope we sign Jermaine tomorrow, but am I the only one who is a little worried about this guy's wrist?
It's his shooting hand and he's pretty much been out of action since June. ... It's January now.
I really do hope all is well with him, and he shows in a few weeks that he's made a full recovery. But I'd be lying if I didn't say it raised some flags in my mind.
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I hope we sign Jermaine tomorrow, but am I the only one who is a little worried about this guy's wrist?
It's his shooting hand and he's pretty much been out of action since June. ... It's January now.
I really do hope all is well with him, and he shows in a few weeks that he's made a full recovery. But I'd be lying if I didn't say it raised some flags in my mind.
You are kidding right?
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I hope we sign Jermaine tomorrow, but am I the only one who is a little worried about this guy's wrist?
It's his shooting hand and he's pretty much been out of action since June. ... It's January now.
I really do hope all is well with him, and he shows in a few weeks that he's made a full recovery. But I'd be lying if I didn't say it raised some flags in my mind.
Well he has plenty of time to recover. I'm not too worried about it.
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Saw this, but obviously don't subscribe. Note in comments section some reference to positive statement by Jermaine about SJU. (Also the usual $ inference by Cincy zealot)
“@BearcatLair: Jermaine Lawrence Recaps Cincinnati Visit http://t.co/41QwCP9s (http://t.co/41QwCP9s) via @247Sports”
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Saw this, but obviously don't subscribe. Note in comments section some reference to positive statement by Jermaine about SJU. (Also the usual $ inference by Cincy zealot)
“@BearcatLair: Jermaine Lawrence Recaps Cincinnati Visit http://t.co/41QwCP9s (http://t.co/41QwCP9s) via @247Sports”
Last line:
“It's tough for me because St John's is basically my home town,” Lawrence said. “With the three schools I have the decision is going to be tough. I'm just looking forward to the upcoming St John's visit.”
Will read now and tell you if anything interesting is on it other then that.
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On Cincinnati: Everything went "nice," liked the love from the fans. Coach Savino (UC assistant?) has been recruiting him since sophomore year and has done a good job. Thinks its good that other NYC guys are comfortable at UC. Sees familiarity with them since theyre from NYC also. Prefers to play the three (SF). Says that they have Titus Rubles who does similar things to him and he can see the fit.
This is from a UC reporter so you expect pro-UC comments, but that last line he added there is very good.
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Saw this, but obviously don't subscribe. Note in comments section some reference to positive statement by Jermaine about SJU. (Also the usual $ inference by Cincy zealot)
“@BearcatLair: Jermaine Lawrence Recaps Cincinnati Visit http://t.co/41QwCP9s (http://t.co/41QwCP9s) via @247Sports”
Last line:
“It's tough for me because St John's is basically my home town,” Lawrence said. “With the three schools I have the decision is going to be tough. I'm just looking forward to the upcoming St John's visit.”
Will read now and tell you if anything interesting is on it other then that.
Sounds like he wants to go to St. John's, but might need a last bit of convincing. Very happy that Lavin has the last visit with him.
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On Cincinnati: Everything went "nice," liked the love from the fans. Coach Savino (UC assistant?) has been recruiting him since sophomore year and has done a good job. Thinks its good that other NYC guys are comfortable at UC. Sees familiarity with them since theyre from NYC also. Prefers to play the three (SF). Says that they have Titus Rubles who does similar things to him and he can see the fit.
This is from a UC reporter so you expect pro-UC comments, but that last line he added there is very good.
Thx STH!
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On Cincinnati: Everything went "nice," liked the love from the fans. Coach Savino (UC assistant?) has been recruiting him since sophomore year and has done a good job. Thinks its good that other NYC guys are comfortable at UC. Sees familiarity with them since theyre from NYC also. Prefers to play the three (SF). Says that they have Titus Rubles who does similar things to him and he can see the fit.
This is from a UC reporter so you expect pro-UC comments, but that last line he added there is very good.
Thx STH!
NP guys. I have 29 more free trial days left now. ;D
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This would be a GIGANTIC get. Do we know when he's visiting? Personally hoping it's for the Rutgers game even though there may be about 20 people at the Garden.
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Georgetown comes to the garden for a 11 am start on January 12. Maybe then. I hope we get this kid. Harkless..Sampson..lawerence
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Georgetown comes to the garden for a 11 am start on January 12. Maybe then. I hope we get this kid. Harkless..Sampson..lawerence
Oh goodie. Anyone want to guess attendance for a goddamn 11am start?
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I hope we sign Jermaine tomorrow, but am I the only one who is a little worried about this guy's wrist?
It's his shooting hand and he's pretty much been out of action since June. ... It's January now.
I really do hope all is well with him, and he shows in a few weeks that he's made a full recovery. But I'd be lying if I didn't say it raised some flags in my mind.
Inaccurate. He broke his wrist in Oct.
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Georgetown comes to the garden for a 11 am start on January 12. Maybe then. I hope we get this kid. Harkless..Sampson..lawerence
Oh goodie. Anyone want to guess attendance for a goddamn 11am start?
I try to take the train down for one garden game a year. Surprisingly an 11 am start is easier than a noon start due to train times.
7500 realistically. 10000+ hopefully
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I hope we sign Jermaine tomorrow, but am I the only one who is a little worried about this guy's wrist?
It's his shooting hand and he's pretty much been out of action since June. ... It's January now.
I really do hope all is well with him, and he shows in a few weeks that he's made a full recovery. But I'd be lying if I didn't say it raised some flags in my mind.
Inaccurate. He broke his wrist in Oct.
Wasn't he out over the summer? I thought it was his wrist
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His comments are very promising. Would be a great get, especially if we can keep Jakarr here another year. He and Lawrence could be dominant up front with Obekpa.
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Jermaine Lawrence Top 20 Senior - Syracuse, UNLV, St Johns or Cincinnati (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT9A_neFu6c#ws)
The Swingman Diaries vol I Jermaine Lawrence (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bA1Dsy9lRMo#ws)
The Swingman dairies vol 1.5: Jermaine Lawrence (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHrwAImeqrk#noexternalembed-ws)
The Swingman Diaries Vol. 2 Jermaine Lawrence (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5i7gZ323dBA#ws)
He sure would be an upgrade at that 3 spot. From highlights he looks somewhere between Moe and Jakarr.
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Lav is a great recruiter he just has to make better choices with bringing guys in, I know his back was against the wall these last two classes but a mid major guard with a handle woulda helped right now, or mid level post player for that matter. He's aiming in the right direction with carrington and rysheed can only be optimistic for the future, just hope lavins gab will be able to sway the talent regardless of the product on the court. Not sure max hooper is the savior for next year...
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I hope we sign Jermaine tomorrow, but am I the only one who is a little worried about this guy's wrist?
It's his shooting hand and he's pretty much been out of action since June. ... It's January now.
I really do hope all is well with him, and he shows in a few weeks that he's made a full recovery. But I'd be lying if I didn't say it raised some flags in my mind.
Inaccurate. He broke his wrist in Oct.
It's not?
I'm not at these events like you are Dave, but all the reports said he had a bad wrist as far back as the NBAPA Top 100 Camp... that was what? June? He played a little bit through pain.
But then he said himself in September that it never healed and they were going to see a specialist - and then had surgery on the ligaments in his wrist in October.
Am I missing something?
Not sure why you felt the need to say something, unless you know something that hasn't been reported. But what I said are just the facts.
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I'm no workout expert (calling Marillac) but in that last video at the 1 minute mark the wrist exercises with the mini kettlebell's don't look too good for your wrist.
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I'm no workout expert (calling Marillac) but in that last video at the 1 minute mark the wrist exercises with the mini kettlebell's don't look too good for your wrist.
I use kettle bells and his form isn't bad with them. Doesn't look like he'll hurt his wrist with that form, and that weight. Those kettle bells are quite small and not likely to do more than bump your wrist. I usually use 55lb kettlebell and you can really eff yourself up in numerous ways if you don't use em right. Kettlebells take lots of practice to learn to use properly, especially with any real weight. Dare I say though, with the weight he's using he'd probably be better off just using dumbells for clean and presses etc. Fwiw, rehabbing the wrist rarely is using any weight at all. Mostly grip work, bands etc.
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I'm no workout expert (calling Marillac) but in that last video at the 1 minute mark the wrist exercises with the mini kettlebell's don't look too good for your wrist.
Like Marcus said those are little kettle bells. If that is recent Jermaine needs to keep hitting the weights and eating a lot!
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He sure would be an upgrade at that 3 spot. From highlights he looks somewhere between Moe and Jakarr.
I agree that he looks like a Harkless-Sampson hybrid but with better range and 1-2 inches in height
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hes probably got a half inch on karr and might be the same height or a hair shorter than moe. hes incredibly thin though, must improve perimeter skills. not sure how much help on the backboard he can possibly be being that light.
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hes probably got a half inch on karr and might be the same height or a hair shorter than moe. hes incredibly thin though, must improve perimeter skills. not sure how much help on the backboard he can possibly be being that light.
He's thin because he's messing with those ladies kettlebells and fancy workouts instead of mass building. ;D
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Apparently nobody really noticed but Jermaine has presumably dropped Syracuse from his list and is down to 3 at least according to the quote in the article.
His last list was released in a tweet in November and it listed his final 4 of UNLV, Cincy, SJU and Syracuse. Now he is talking about choosing among 3 schools. Again I presume the 3 are the 3 schools he has taken or will take official visits to: UNLV, Cincy and SJU. Thus eliminating Syracuse.
“With the three schools I have the decision is going to be tough. I'm just looking forward to the upcoming St John's visit.”
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Apparently nobody really noticed but Jermaine has presumably dropped Syracuse from his list and is down to 3 at least according to the quote in the article.
His last list was released in a tweet in November and it listed his final 4 of UNLV, Cincy, SJU and Syracuse. Now he is talking about choosing among 3 schools. Again I presume the 3 are the 3 schools he has taken or will take official visits to: UNLV, Cincy and SJU. Thus eliminating Syracuse.
“With the three schools I have the decision is going to be tough. I'm just looking forward to the upcoming St John's visit.”
Think people didn't notice...lol. Cuse just picked their share of forwards already and landed kids they didn't need to wait for. It's good for us. Jermaine's comments are extremely complimentary. I wanna to see Lavin nail it and land this kid.
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Apparently nobody really noticed but Jermaine has presumably dropped Syracuse from his list and is down to 3 at least according to the quote in the article.
His last list was released in a tweet in November and it listed his final 4 of UNLV, Cincy, SJU and Syracuse. Now he is talking about choosing among 3 schools. Again I presume the 3 are the 3 schools he has taken or will take official visits to: UNLV, Cincy and SJU. Thus eliminating Syracuse.
“With the three schools I have the decision is going to be tough. I'm just looking forward to the upcoming St John's visit.”
Think people didn't notice...lol. Cuse just picked their share of forwards already and landed kids they didn't need to wait for. It's good for us. Jermaine's comments are extremely complimentary. I wanna to see Lavin nail it and land this kid.
We do well when kids visit and with him being away from home for a year, perhaps he is the one who wants to come back to the city.
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Where has he been?
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Where has he been?
Obscure school in New Jersey
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Seems like few on this board would be satisfied with just one of Jermaine and Rysheed. Thoughts on the probability that we land both? I am going to completely speculate and say 38% (75% for JL and 50% for Sheed).
I wonder if JL and Sheed are waiting around to see if Jakarr and/or DLo are very likely to leave early.
Would you rather (1) get JL and Sheed but lose Jakarr to the NBA and DLo to wherever or (2) get neither recruit and bring back Jakarr and DLo?
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Source confirms report Jermaine Lawrence is down to St. John's, UCLA and Cincinnati. Will take official to #stjbb sometime in January.”
think he meant UNLV
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“@NYPost_Brazille: My mistake, it's St. John's, UNLV and Cincinnati.”
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“@NYPost_Brazille: My mistake, it's St. John's, UNLV and Cincinnati.”
Yep. UCLA is targeting two Findlay Prep forwards - 6'9 Gavin Schilling and 6'7 Dion Wade.
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“@NYPost_Brazille: My mistake, it's St. John's, UNLV and Cincinnati.”
Yep. UCLA is targeting two Findlay Prep forwards - 6'9 Gavin Schilling and 6'7 Dion Wade.
Sign him up as long as he's not a ball stopper, running the shot clock down to less than 10 seconds after this season is dreadful
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I don't know anything more than I read, but I've got to think we at least land one of Jordan or Lawrence.
Granted it looks like we'll only have one or two scholarships open after the season. But if the staff was concerned we weren't in good position with these two wouldn't they at least be looking at other recruits for '13?
It's early, I know, but since Martin and Wainwright signed; the staff hasn't been on any '13 players other than Jordan and Lawrence.
That has to be a good sign, right?
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I don't know anything more than I read, but I've got to think we at least land one of Jordan or Lawrence.
Granted it looks like we'll only have one or two scholarships open after the season. But if the staff was concerned we weren't in good position with these two wouldn't they at least be looking at other recruits for '13?
It's early, I know, but since Martin and Wainwright signed; the staff hasn't been on any '13 players other than Jordan and Lawrence.
That has to be a good sign, right?
Not to be gloomy about our chances.. But I don't think it's a good sign that we haven't targeted other 13 kids. If we strike out then what? You can't use the limited scholarship excuse for not targeting others because nobody has a clue what the roster will look like next season. Most schools target multiple players per class and we just don't. We have heard before in the past that Coach targets only kids he feels good about.. So what happens if they don't commit? Kinda too late for the 2013 backup plan. That being said I still think we will get one.
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I don't know anything more than I read, but I've got to think we at least land one of Jordan or Lawrence.
Granted it looks like we'll only have one or two scholarships open after the season. But if the staff was concerned we weren't in good position with these two wouldn't they at least be looking at other recruits for '13?
It's early, I know, but since Martin and Wainwright signed; the staff hasn't been on any '13 players other than Jordan and Lawrence.
That has to be a good sign, right?
Not to be gloomy about our chances.. But I don't think it's a good sign that we haven't targeted other 13 kids. If we strike out then what? You can't use the limited scholarship excuse for not targeting others because nobody has a clue what the roster will look like next season. Most schools target multiple players per class and we just don't. We have heard before in the past that Coach targets only kids he feels good about.. So what happens if they don't commit? Kinda too late for the 2013 backup plan. That being said I still think we will get one.
Lavinia doesn't target multiple kids per class?
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I don't know anything more than I read, but I've got to think we at least land one of Jordan or Lawrence.
Granted it looks like we'll only have one or two scholarships open after the season. But if the staff was concerned we weren't in good position with these two wouldn't they at least be looking at other recruits for '13?
It's early, I know, but since Martin and Wainwright signed; the staff hasn't been on any '13 players other than Jordan and Lawrence.
That has to be a good sign, right?
Not to be gloomy about our chances.. But I don't think it's a good sign that we haven't targeted other 13 kids. If we strike out then what? You can't use the limited scholarship excuse for not targeting others because nobody has a clue what the roster will look like next season. Most schools target multiple players per class and we just don't. We have heard before in the past that Coach targets only kids he feels good about.. So what happens if they don't commit? Kinda too late for the 2013 backup plan. That being said I still think we will get one.
Lavinia doesn't target multiple kids per class?
No. Not in relation to other schools. I mean I'm not saying it should be like Rutgers or Providence which offers 12 kids a class.. But 4 kids for 13 and 3 kids for now in 14 is a little skimpy IMO
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I don't know anything more than I read, but I've got to think we at least land one of Jordan or Lawrence.
Granted it looks like we'll only have one or two scholarships open after the season. But if the staff was concerned we weren't in good position with these two wouldn't they at least be looking at other recruits for '13?
It's early, I know, but since Martin and Wainwright signed; the staff hasn't been on any '13 players other than Jordan and Lawrence.
That has to be a good sign, right?
Not to be gloomy about our chances.. But I don't think it's a good sign that we haven't targeted other 13 kids. If we strike out then what? You can't use the limited scholarship excuse for not targeting others because nobody has a clue what the roster will look like next season. Most schools target multiple players per class and we just don't. We have heard before in the past that Coach targets only kids he feels good about.. So what happens if they don't commit? Kinda too late for the 2013 backup plan. That being said I still think we will get one.
Lavinia doesn't target multiple kids per class?
No. Not in relation to other schools. I mean I'm not saying it should be like Rutgers or Providence which offers 12 kids a class.. But 4 kids for 13 and 3 kids for now in 14 is a little skimpy IMO
Happy, is wager we have our eye on more kids than that. I know we see the most prominent ones, but Lavin In the past has done a good job filling ships in the spring, and one or two ships is child's play for him. I think we'll land Lawrence. If we land he and Rysheed it is tremendous. If we need to fill another ship or two, there will be new players coming to the forefront in the spring.
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I don't know anything more than I read, but I've got to think we at least land one of Jordan or Lawrence.
Granted it looks like we'll only have one or two scholarships open after the season. But if the staff was concerned we weren't in good position with these two wouldn't they at least be looking at other recruits for '13?
It's early, I know, but since Martin and Wainwright signed; the staff hasn't been on any '13 players other than Jordan and Lawrence.
That has to be a good sign, right?
Not to be gloomy about our chances.. But I don't think it's a good sign that we haven't targeted other 13 kids. If we strike out then what? You can't use the limited scholarship excuse for not targeting others because nobody has a clue what the roster will look like next season. Most schools target multiple players per class and we just don't. We have heard before in the past that Coach targets only kids he feels good about.. So what happens if they don't commit? Kinda too late for the 2013 backup plan. That being said I still think we will get one.
Lavinia doesn't target multiple kids per class?
No. Not in relation to other schools. I mean I'm not saying it should be like Rutgers or Providence which offers 12 kids a class.. But 4 kids for 13 and 3 kids for now in 14 is a little skimpy IMO
Happy, is wager we have our eye on more kids than that. I know we see the most prominent ones, but Lavin In the past has done a good job filling ships in the spring, and one or two ships is child's play for him. I think we'll land Lawrence. If we land he and Rysheed it is tremendous. If we need to fill another ship or two, there will be new players coming to the forefront in the spring.
Hey if the strategy works out and we get one or both then I suppose it's working. We Aren't looking at other kids right now and the point was to look at more kids early for 13 and not have other kids pop up in the spring. It's pretty hard to get in late with these kids and you know very well that most of these kids reward programs who are in early and loyal.
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I don't know anything more than I read, but I've got to think we at least land one of Jordan or Lawrence.
Granted it looks like we'll only have one or two scholarships open after the season. But if the staff was concerned we weren't in good position with these two wouldn't they at least be looking at other recruits for '13?
It's early, I know, but since Martin and Wainwright signed; the staff hasn't been on any '13 players other than Jordan and Lawrence.
That has to be a good sign, right?
Not to be gloomy about our chances.. But I don't think it's a good sign that we haven't targeted other 13 kids. If we strike out then what? You can't use the limited scholarship excuse for not targeting others because nobody has a clue what the roster will look like next season. Most schools target multiple players per class and we just don't. We have heard before in the past that Coach targets only kids he feels good about.. So what happens if they don't commit? Kinda too late for the 2013 backup plan. That being said I still think we will get one.
Your right the strategy has some holes in it. If we were replacing a number of guys I'd be concerned. But since in reality the only player were going to definitely lose is a guy who hasn't played a minute yet this year I'll take the chances of landing at minimum 1 of the 2. Plus we know Lavin can pull a guy in late. My concern lies in us not being able to dangle immediate PT or minutes to someone in the spring.
The other problem is the two guys were going after we really don't 'need'. We need Jordan if Harrison flies the coop and Lawrence if Karr leaves early. We need another big man but nothing on the radar until '15.
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I don't know anything more than I read, but I've got to think we at least land one of Jordan or Lawrence.
Granted it looks like we'll only have one or two scholarships open after the season. But if the staff was concerned we weren't in good position with these two wouldn't they at least be looking at other recruits for '13?
It's early, I know, but since Martin and Wainwright signed; the staff hasn't been on any '13 players other than Jordan and Lawrence.
That has to be a good sign, right?
Not to be gloomy about our chances.. But I don't think it's a good sign that we haven't targeted other 13 kids. If we strike out then what? You can't use the limited scholarship excuse for not targeting others because nobody has a clue what the roster will look like next season. Most schools target multiple players per class and we just don't. We have heard before in the past that Coach targets only kids he feels good about.. So what happens if they don't commit? Kinda too late for the 2013 backup plan. That being said I still think we will get one.
Your right the strategy has some holes in it. If we were replacing a number of guys I'd be concerned. But since in reality the only player were going to definitely lose is a guy who hasn't played a minute yet this year I'll take the chances of landing at minimum 1 of the 2. Plus we know Lavin can pull a guy in late. My concern lies in us not being able to dangle immediate PT or minutes to someone in the spring.
The other problem is the two guys were going after we really don't 'need'. We need Jordan if Harrison flies the coop and Lawrence if Karr leaves early. We need another big man but nothing on the radar until '15.
I hate to say it Moose, but we NEED another forward who can score and get inside like Jakarr does. Guys like Amir and Dom have not shown that they are close to the same level as Jakarr. Lawrence can complete our front line next to Jakarr and Obekpa if we can keep Jakarr another year. If not, we will be fine as well. Bringing Gift back helps us up front as well. We are sorely missing another dynamic forward up front. Lawrence fits that bill.
Jermaine Lawrence Top 20 Senior - Syracuse, UNLV, St Johns or Cincinnati (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tT9A_neFu6c#ws)
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I'm not one to turn away a Top 30 talent. But the revolving roster door will continue. People who we thought would be great 4th year players might pickup and leave. The Top 30 kids might only stick around 1 or 2 years. Sorry but again the roster makeup is flawed IMO.
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I'm not one to turn away a Top 30 talent. But the revolving roster door will continue. People who we thought would be great 4th year players might pickup and leave. The Top 30 kids might only stick around 1 or 2 years. Sorry but again the roster makeup is flawed IMO.
I agree with you, but how do you correct it at this point? I'd be the first to say this team needs another big man, but the '13 class is very slim on centers, and we didn't get involved with any of them early.
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I'm not one to turn away a Top 30 talent. But the revolving roster door will continue. People who we thought would be great 4th year players might pickup and leave. The Top 30 kids might only stick around 1 or 2 years. Sorry but again the roster makeup is flawed IMO.
I agree with you, but how do you correct it at this point? I'd be the first to say this team needs another big man, but the '13 class is very slim on centers, and we didn't get involved with any of them early.
The only way you can correct it is to have eligibility run its course. Because early defections will lead to throwing ships against a wall and seeing what sticks. Jermaine coming on board would probably render a couple of upperclassmen useless in terms of minutes.
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I love lavIns ability to recruit but with the lack of a true point
In his second season (we will see about branch?) and the possibility
Of losing our best player(fill in the blank) combined with no conference for next year
Makes this program seem more like a launching pad rather than a program.
I love our players but like a tasteless steak something is missing and the uncertainty
Of a realistic coup of top talent breaks my heart.
I hope we win even if we gotta offer some 4 year guys that will run through Walls to play here.
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Peope are nuts. We have s combo of 4-year talent as well as 2 year talent. Both a young but still nobody is happy nor willing to give it time. Anybody who doesn't see kids like Phil Greene, Dom, Amir as 4-year players is nuts. They are jumping through walls here, but are young and still need time. The roster mix is fine. The only mix that isn't good is that we have NO upperclassmen and that will take some time.
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Peope are nuts. We have s combo of 4-year talent as well as 2 year talent. Both a young but still nobody is happy nor willing to give it time. Anybody who doesn't see kids like Phil Greene, Dom, Amir as 4-year players is nuts. They are jumping through walls here, but are young and still need time. The roster mix is fine. The only mix that isn't good is that we have NO upperclassmen and that will take some time.
I'll play this game.
We land Lawrence. No other players leave (besides Sanchez).
Split up the minutes for me.
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Peope are nuts. We have s combo of 4-year talent as well as 2 year talent. Both a young but still nobody is happy nor willing to give it time. Anybody who doesn't see kids like Phil Greene, Dom, Amir as 4-year players is nuts. They are jumping through walls here, but are young and still need time. The roster mix is fine. The only mix that isn't good is that we have NO upperclassmen and that will take some time.
I'll play this game.
We land Lawrence. No other players leave (besides Sanchez).
Split up the minutes for me.
If he's a stud than its easy. He gets quality minutes with our best lineup being Jamal deangelo JaKarr Jermaine and Chris. Phil being the sixth man, GG first big. Pick your poison with Amir Marco or Dom depending on the game/opponent.
If he's not as ready as jakarr and moe were then you work him in slowley and the lineup is similar to this year depending on player development and gift gets minutes up front.
Id call it a good problem.
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Peope are nuts. We have s combo of 4-year talent as well as 2 year talent. Both a young but still nobody is happy nor willing to give it time. Anybody who doesn't see kids like Phil Greene, Dom, Amir as 4-year players is nuts. They are jumping through walls here, but are young and still need time. The roster mix is fine. The only mix that isn't good is that we have NO upperclassmen and that will take some time.
I'll play this game.
We land Lawrence. No other players leave (besides Sanchez).
Split up the minutes for me.
If he's a stud than its easy. He gets quality minutes with our best lineup being Jamal deangelo JaKarr Jermaine and Chris. Phil being the sixth man, GG first big. Pick your poison with Amir Marco or Dom depending on the game/opponent.
If he's not as ready as jakarr and moe were then you work him in slowley and the lineup is similar to this year depending on player development and gift gets minutes up front.
Id call it a good problem.
I agree. But you think some upperclassmen are going to like that after playing so many minutes their first two years?
And notice I mentioned nothing about Jordan.......
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Peope are nuts. We have s combo of 4-year talent as well as 2 year talent. Both a young but still nobody is happy nor willing to give it time. Anybody who doesn't see kids like Phil Greene, Dom, Amir as 4-year players is nuts. They are jumping through walls here, but are young and still need time. The roster mix is fine. The only mix that isn't good is that we have NO upperclassmen and that will take some time.
I'll play this game.
We land Lawrence. No other players leave (besides Sanchez).
Split up the minutes for me.
If he's a stud than its easy. He gets quality minutes with our best lineup being Jamal deangelo JaKarr Jermaine and Chris. Phil being the sixth man, GG first big. Pick your poison with Amir Marco or Dom depending on the game/opponent.
If he's not as ready as jakarr and moe were then you work him in slowley and the lineup is similar to this year depending on player development and gift gets minutes up front.
Id call it a good problem.
I agree. But you think some upperclassmen are going to like that after playing so many minutes their first two years?
And notice I mentioned nothing about Jordan.......
Can't have it both ways. The best players get the most minutes. Players have to make sacrifices for the betterment of the team. Plus GG will be a senior and JaKarr essential one as well. Amir and Dom will get their minutes throughout their career.
And if we get rysheed than no one other than Phil deangelo branch and rysheed see minutes at the 1/2. Plenty of minutes.
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Moose...you want 8 guys on the roster every year?
With a pg like Jordan this team would be much improved. Hopefully Lavin can pull it off
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I don't know anything more than I read, but I've got to think we at least land one of Jordan or Lawrence.
Granted it looks like we'll only have one or two scholarships open after the season. But if the staff was concerned we weren't in good position with these two wouldn't they at least be looking at other recruits for '13?
It's early, I know, but since Martin and Wainwright signed; the staff hasn't been on any '13 players other than Jordan and Lawrence.
That has to be a good sign, right?
Not to be gloomy about our chances.. But I don't think it's a good sign that we haven't targeted other 13 kids. If we strike out then what? You can't use the limited scholarship excuse for not targeting others because nobody has a clue what the roster will look like next season. Most schools target multiple players per class and we just don't. We have heard before in the past that Coach targets only kids he feels good about.. So what happens if they don't commit? Kinda too late for the 2013 backup plan. That being said I still think we will get one.
Well, we're scheduled to have 1) Jr. D'lo, 2) So. Jakarr, 3) So. Obekpa, 4) Jr. Sir Dom, 5) Jr. Amir, 6) Jr. Phil, 7) Jr. Jamal, 8 ) Sr. Marco, 9) So. Christian), 10) So. Felix, 11) Sr. Gift, and 12) So - or is he a Fr? Hooper for 2014. And possibly 13) Sr. Sanchez (Who knows with the NCAA - IF they rule him eligible, it still COULD be for 2 years. The one indisputable fact about him is he's played only 2 years of college ball).
We'll "find" a ride if we get one or more of the targets to commit, but technically, ALL of our rides are already committed for 2014....
All said and done tho, I wish ONE of the kids we were hoping for was something we don't already have (position wise, not skill wise - you ALWAYS take a talented player, no matter the position!) - like a 7' 250 lb guy.
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Moose...you want 8 guys on the roster every year?
With a pg like Jordan this team would be much improved. Hopefully Lavin can pull it off
No. But I'm quoted on this site and Redmen a number of times saying 10 is the magic number. 11 ships at most. I don't see the need to give out more because unless you correctly manage everyone and their roles you will have a revolving door. Having a Marco or Max around is great. They have a role. Same with Gift. By no way do I not want Jermaine here. But I think Dom's minutes will vanish, maybe Amir too. As for Jordan he would be coming to a crowded backcourt so that leads me to think Harrison might not be around.
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I don't know anything more than I read, but I've got to think we at least land one of Jordan or Lawrence.
Granted it looks like we'll only have one or two scholarships open after the season. But if the staff was concerned we weren't in good position with these two wouldn't they at least be looking at other recruits for '13?
It's early, I know, but since Martin and Wainwright signed; the staff hasn't been on any '13 players other than Jordan and Lawrence.
That has to be a good sign, right?
Not to be gloomy about our chances.. But I don't think it's a good sign that we haven't targeted other 13 kids. If we strike out then what? You can't use the limited scholarship excuse for not targeting others because nobody has a clue what the roster will look like next season. Most schools target multiple players per class and we just don't. We have heard before in the past that Coach targets only kids he feels good about.. So what happens if they don't commit? Kinda too late for the 2013 backup plan. That being said I still think we will get one.
Well, we're scheduled to have 1) Jr. D'lo, 2) So. Jakarr, 3) So. Obekpa, 4) Jr. Sir Dom, 5) Jr. Amir, 6) Jr. Phil, 7) Jr. Jamal, 8 ) Sr. Marco, 9) So. Christian), 10) So. Felix, 11) Sr. Gift, and 12) So - or is he a Fr? Hooper for 2014. And possibly 13) Sr. Sanchez (Who knows with the NCAA - IF they rule him eligible, it still COULD be for 2 years. The one indisputable fact about him is he's played only 2 years of college ball).
We'll "find" a ride if we get one or more of the targets to commit, but technically, ALL of our rides are already committed for 2014....
It was said for much of the summer Sanchez would only have 1 yr. That was the chatter. And it was coming from a number of fan bases not sour grapes after the fact. Plus there is no way you redshirt Gift then if you knew he had a possible extra year. You can pretty much use him as the open ship.
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I don't know anything more than I read, but I've got to think we at least land one of Jordan or Lawrence.
Granted it looks like we'll only have one or two scholarships open after the season. But if the staff was concerned we weren't in good position with these two wouldn't they at least be looking at other recruits for '13?
It's early, I know, but since Martin and Wainwright signed; the staff hasn't been on any '13 players other than Jordan and Lawrence.
That has to be a good sign, right?
Not to be gloomy about our chances.. But I don't think it's a good sign that we haven't targeted other 13 kids. If we strike out then what? You can't use the limited scholarship excuse for not targeting others because nobody has a clue what the roster will look like next season. Most schools target multiple players per class and we just don't. We have heard before in the past that Coach targets only kids he feels good about.. So what happens if they don't commit? Kinda too late for the 2013 backup plan. That being said I still think we will get one.
Well, we're scheduled to have 1) Jr. D'lo, 2) So. Jakarr, 3) So. Obekpa, 4) Jr. Sir Dom, 5) Jr. Amir, 6) Jr. Phil, 7) Jr. Jamal, 8 ) Sr. Marco, 9) So. Christian), 10) So. Felix, 11) Sr. Gift, and 12) So - or is he a Fr? Hooper for 2014. And possibly 13) Sr. Sanchez (Who knows with the NCAA - IF they rule him eligible, it still COULD be for 2 years. The one indisputable fact about him is he's played only 2 years of college ball).
We'll "find" a ride if we get one or more of the targets to commit, but technically, ALL of our rides are already committed for 2014....
It was said for much of the summer Sanchez would only have 1 yr. That was the chatter. And it was coming from a number of fan bases not sour grapes after the fact. Plus there is no way you redshirt Gift then if you knew he had a possible extra year. You can pretty much use him as the open ship.
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Unless the NCAA doesn't allow him to play this year but WOULD allow it for next year. Unlikely, yes. But so is everything the NCAA has done with this kid.
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Moose...you want 8 guys on the roster every year?
With a pg like Jordan this team would be much improved. Hopefully Lavin can pull it off
No. But I'm quoted on this site and Redmen a number of times saying 10 is the magic number. 11 ships at most. I don't see the need to give out more because unless you correctly manage everyone and their roles you will have a revolving door. Having a Marco or Max around is great. They have a role. Same with Gift. By no way do I not want Jermaine here. But I think Dom's minutes will vanish, maybe Amir too. As for Jordan he would be coming to a crowded backcourt so that leads me to think Harrison might not be around.
Or we play a 3 guard lineup and Amir or Dom sit the bench.
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I'm with you guys in saying you can't turn a talent like Jermaine down.. But we really need some muscle on the boards... Would love to grab a Juco with some size .
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I'm with you guys in saying you can't turn a talent like Jermaine down.. But we really need some muscle on the boards... Would love to grab a Juco with some size .
I agree with you, but from what I know it seems unlikely to find size in the JUCO ranks. We're more likely to find undersized muscle: think Gift, Sanchez, Brownlee. Anybody 6'10 and above who had any skill at all was offered D1 scholarships out of HS. It's the under the radar and undersized bigs that you find playing jUcO ball more often than not.
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I'm with you guys in saying you can't turn a talent like Jermaine down.. But we really need some muscle on the boards... Would love to grab a Juco with some size .
I agree with you, but from what I know it seems unlikely to find size in the JUCO ranks. We're more likely to find undersized muscle: think Gift, Sanchez, Brownlee. Anybody 6'10 and above who had any skill at all was offered D1 scholarships out of HS. It's the under the radar and undersized bigs that you find playing jUcO ball more often than not.
I don't care how tall the player is.. Just want a kid who wants to go to work and rebound.
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And notice I mentioned nothing about Jordan.......
you don't think he's coming here?
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And notice I mentioned nothing about Jordan.......
you don't think he's coming here?
Your looking too deep into it. Was just starting out with logjam Lawrence would create. Then added Jordan logjam.
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I'm with you guys in saying you can't turn a talent like Jermaine down.. But we really need some muscle on the boards... Would love to grab a Juco with some size .
I agree with you, but from what I know it seems unlikely to find size in the JUCO ranks. We're more likely to find undersized muscle: think Gift, Sanchez, Brownlee. Anybody 6'10 and above who had any skill at all was offered D1 scholarships out of HS. It's the under the radar and undersized bigs that you find playing jUcO ball more often than not.
Titus Robles?
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I'm with you guys in saying you can't turn a talent like Jermaine down.. But we really need some muscle on the boards... Would love to grab a Juco with some size .
I agree with you, but from what I know it seems unlikely to find size in the JUCO ranks. We're more likely to find undersized muscle: think Gift, Sanchez, Brownlee. Anybody 6'10 and above who had any skill at all was offered D1 scholarships out of HS. It's the under the radar and undersized bigs that you find playing jUcO ball more often than not.
Titus Robles?
I haven't watched a lot of Cinnci yet, but from what I've heard.. Yes! Exactly.
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Amir plays on my team over Phil anyday
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Moose...you want 8 guys on the roster every year?
With a pg like Jordan this team would be much improved. Hopefully Lavin can pull it off
No. But I'm quoted on this site and Redmen a number of times saying 10 is the magic number. 11 ships at most. I don't see the need to give out more because unless you correctly manage everyone and their roles you will have a revolving door. Having a Marco or Max around is great. They have a role. Same with Gift. By no way do I not want Jermaine here. But I think Dom's minutes will vanish, maybe Amir too. As for Jordan he would be coming to a crowded backcourt so that leads me to think Harrison might not be around.
10 guys gives you one backup at each position and barely gives you a 5v5 intrasquad scrimmage. What happens when there is an injury or 2. You need to use at least 12 of the schollies. Transfers are a nature of the beast. Only the best survive...let the others transfer if they want. This isn't CYO this is D1 basketball.
I don't understand your statement about a crowded backcourt either. Right now we have two shooting guards and one point guard. Hardly a log jam.
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Moose...you want 8 guys on the roster every year?
With a pg like Jordan this team would be much improved. Hopefully Lavin can pull it off
No. But I'm quoted on this site and Redmen a number of times saying 10 is the magic number. 11 ships at most. I don't see the need to give out more because unless you correctly manage everyone and their roles you will have a revolving door. Having a Marco or Max around is great. They have a role. Same with Gift. By no way do I not want Jermaine here. But I think Dom's minutes will vanish, maybe Amir too. As for Jordan he would be coming to a crowded backcourt so that leads me to think Harrison might not be around.
10 guys gives you one backup at each position and barely gives you a 5v5 intrasquad scrimmage. What happens when there is an injury or 2. You need to use at least 12 of the schollies. Transfers are a nature of the beast. Only the best survive...let the others transfer if they want. This isn't CYO this is D1 basketball.
I don't understand your statement about a crowded backcourt either. Right now we have two shooting guards and one point guard. Hardly a log jam.
Well Dom plays time at 2. Everyone fell in love with Felix during limited time. Others love Marco and his ability to shoot and want to see what he can do with Branch. All see time at 1 and 2.
Transfers do happen but 'can' hurt your APR depending on their academic standing when they leave. I got no problem with these guys coming in. Just wonder what the repercussions might be with the balance of the team. Transfer also mean no continuity. If the guys who logged major minutes 1st and 2nd yr don't stick around till 4th year what does that say for all those who said those minutes would pay off down the road. How many you think from last year's class see 4 yrs of college here?
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Dom and Phil for sure. I think Harrison leaves after his junior year if he continues to improve. Garrett is the wildcard with his baseball situation.
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Not so fast my friend
Do remember Dom's dad was really big on U of M
If he loses more minutes due to overcrowding downlow
I would not wanna see it happen but he could bolt ?
Finish his career back home??
None the less
The biggest problem I see is we are goin after top talent and we
Are not showing any track record! ( this goes beyond lavin )
There has been a decade or more erosion of one if the richest traditional programs
In basketball history. We are still light years from being a NCAA ready team.
We still do not have a legit PG as of the moment. I hope I eat my words (In a year or less)
(But panic fills my heart like when the girl u crazy about let's you down easy after u asked her out
A la back In grade school!)
Time will tell I guess
:-\
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Peope are nuts. We have s combo of 4-year talent as well as 2 year talent. Both a young but still nobody is happy nor willing to give it time. Anybody who doesn't see kids like Phil Greene, Dom, Amir as 4-year players is nuts. They are jumping through walls here, but are young and still need time. The roster mix is fine. The only mix that isn't good is that we have NO upperclassmen and that will take some time.
and we lost Nuri and Harkless, both of whom were being counted on beyond year 1, which may hae made things much better...we need to come to grips that we are simply not at the point where we can thrive in the face of defections...in a few years after a few more recriting cycles, this should not be the case
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"He’s gotta learn to play hard all the time" -Tom Konchalski
This quote scares me. We are talking about adding another player to a team that already has problems playing with intensity for 40 mins. Personally, I think Lavin has to find some under tha radar kids that want to play hard. Kids with a chip on their shoulder. Lawrence seems soft to me. But look, as a program, we are in no position to turn down a top 30 talent. I just hope Lavin can get everything out of these kids because right now we are underachieving.
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"He’s gotta learn to play hard all the time" -Tom Konchalski
This quote scares me. We are talking about adding another player to a team that already has problems playing with intensity for 40 mins. Personally, I think Lavin has to find some under tha radar kids that want to play hard. Kids with a chip on their shoulder. Lawrence seems soft to me. But look, as a program, we are in no position to turn down a top 30 talent. I just hope Lavin can get everything out of these kids because right now we are underachieving.
Guess Cinci and UNLV feel otherwise. Cuse had interest as well. It would be crazy not to pursue him.
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"He’s gotta learn to play hard all the time" -Tom Konchalski
This quote scares me. We are talking about adding another player to a team that already has problems playing with intensity for 40 mins. Personally, I think Lavin has to find some under tha radar kids that want to play hard. Kids with a chip on their shoulder. Lawrence seems soft to me. But look, as a program, we are in no position to turn down a top 30 talent. I just hope Lavin can get everything out of these kids because right now we are underachieving.
Guess Cinci and UNLV feel otherwise. Cuse had interest as well. It would be crazy not to pursue him.
I agree and Konchalski is right ( as usual). Sometimes he seems really disinterested on the court. But I'll tell ya I have seen him at times look unreal. Like one and done unreal. For those reasons you gotta go hard after him. Just wish he was a better rebounder :)
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Do you think that schools like Kansas, Duke, UNC worry about recruiting too much talent?
The question is who goes to create the 2 ships Sanchez and ???
I do not see Dee leaving
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"He’s gotta learn to play hard all the time" -Tom Konchalski
This quote scares me. We are talking about adding another player to a team that already has problems playing with intensity for 40 mins. Personally, I think Lavin has to find some under tha radar kids that want to play hard. Kids with a chip on their shoulder. Lawrence seems soft to me. But look, as a program, we are in no position to turn down a top 30 talent. I just hope Lavin can get everything out of these kids because right now we are underachieving.
Guess Cinci and UNLV feel otherwise. Cuse had interest as well. It would be crazy not to pursue him.
I agree and Konchalski is right ( as usual). Sometimes he seems really disinterested on the court. But I'll tell ya I have seen him at times look unreal. Like one and done unreal. For those reasons you gotta go hard after him. Just wish he was a better rebounder :)
Is he a poor rebounder? Or just not a great one?
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Not so fast my friend
Do remember Dom's dad was really big on U of M
If he loses more minutes due to overcrowding downlow
I would not wanna see it happen but he could bolt ?
Finish his career back home??
None the less
The biggest problem I see is we are goin after top talent and we
Are not showing any track record! ( this goes beyond lavin )
There has been a decade or more erosion of one if the richest traditional programs
In basketball history. We are still light years from being a NCAA ready team.
We still do not have a legit PG as of the moment. I hope I eat my words (In a year or less)
(But panic fills my heart like when the girl u crazy about let's you down easy after u asked her out
A la back In grade school!)
Time will tell I guess
:-\
Branch hasnt played enough to make the statement we dont have a legit PG, hopefully he will pan out.
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"He’s gotta learn to play hard all the time" -Tom Konchalski
This quote scares me. We are talking about adding another player to a team that already has problems playing with intensity for 40 mins. Personally, I think Lavin has to find some under tha radar kids that want to play hard. Kids with a chip on their shoulder. Lawrence seems soft to me. But look, as a program, we are in no position to turn down a top 30 talent. I just hope Lavin can get everything out of these kids because right now we are underachieving.
Guess Cinci and UNLV feel otherwise. Cuse had interest as well. It would be crazy not to pursue him.
I agree and Konchalski is right ( as usual). Sometimes he seems really disinterested on the court. But I'll tell ya I have seen him at times look unreal. Like one and done unreal. For those reasons you gotta go hard after him. Just wish he was a better rebounder :)
Is he a poor rebounder? Or just not a great one?
Not a poor rebounder. But not the bulk to make a rebounding difference at the big east ( or whatever we will be ) level right away.
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I'd like some toughness for next year. If you ask me, that is what we need more than anything. A guy that will come in and be willing to scrap, do the dirty work without worrying about points and touches and being cool.
We've always done well with those type of guys. Whether it's Ty Grant, Billy Singleton, or Lamont Middleton. Team players, not concerned about trying to go pro in a year. Those type of kids are out there and Lavin needs to start incorporating some into the program. Obviously you need the top talent like Jermaine as well, but you can't just build a team without guys willing to accept lesser roles.
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I'd like some toughness for next year. If you ask me, that is what we need more than anything. A guy that will come in and be willing to scrap, do the dirty work without worrying about points and touches and being cool.
We've always done well with those type of guys. Whether it's Ty Grant, Billy Singleton, or Lamont Middleton. Team players, not concerned about trying to go pro in a year. Those type of kids are out there and Lavin needs to start incorporating some into the program. Obviously you need the top talent like Jermaine as well, but you can't just build a team without guys willing to accept lesser roles.
He might have been hoping Christian would be that player. He mentiond him and "bruising" quite a few times. I havnt gave up on Christian. If he learns to be aggressive on the boards and more physical down low he can be a player. He has a good feel offensively.
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"He’s gotta learn to play hard all the time" -Tom Konchalski
This quote scares me. We are talking about adding another player to a team that already has problems playing with intensity for 40 mins. Personally, I think Lavin has to find some under tha radar kids that want to play hard. Kids with a chip on their shoulder. Lawrence seems soft to me. But look, as a program, we are in no position to turn down a top 30 talent. I just hope Lavin can get everything out of these kids because right now we are underachieving.
Guess Cinci and UNLV feel otherwise. Cuse had interest as well. It would be crazy not to pursue him.
I agree and Konchalski is right ( as usual). Sometimes he seems really disinterested on the court. But I'll tell ya I have seen him at times look unreal. Like one and done unreal. For those reasons you gotta go hard after him. Just wish he was a better rebounder :)
Is he a poor rebounder? Or just not a great one?
Not a poor rebounder. But not the bulk to make a rebounding difference at the big east ( or whatever we will be ) level right away.
Thanks. You'd have to think a team with JaKarr at the small forward position would be able to compete rebounding wise.
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Not so fast my friend
Do remember Dom's dad was really big on U of M
If he loses more minutes due to overcrowding downlow
I would not wanna see it happen but he could bolt ?
Finish his career back home??
None the less
The biggest problem I see is we are goin after top talent and we
Are not showing any track record! ( this goes beyond lavin )
There has been a decade or more erosion of one if the richest traditional programs
In basketball history. We are still light years from being a NCAA ready team.
We still do not have a legit PG as of the moment. I hope I eat my words (In a year or less)
(But panic fills my heart like when the girl u crazy about let's you down easy after u asked her out
A la back In grade school!)
Time will tell I guess
:-\
Branch hasnt played enough to make the statement we dont have a legit PG, hopefully he will pan out.
I did also state I hope I eat my words (In a year or less)
:uglystupid2:
and for the record Ras You have just been Scalped! :2funny:
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"He’s gotta learn to play hard all the time" -Tom Konchalski
This quote scares me. We are talking about adding another player to a team that already has problems playing with intensity for 40 mins. Personally, I think Lavin has to find some under tha radar kids that want to play hard. Kids with a chip on their shoulder. Lawrence seems soft to me. But look, as a program, we are in no position to turn down a top 30 talent. I just hope Lavin can get everything out of these kids because right now we are underachieving.
People said the same thing about Harkless. Hopefully as he matures as a basketball player he will learn that he always needs to keep his motor going. But I agree with you, if we miss out on him & Jordan it might not hurt to go find a workhorse type player
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I'd like some toughness for next year. If you ask me, that is what we need more than anything. A guy that will come in and be willing to scrap, do the dirty work without worrying about points and touches and being cool.
We've always done well with those type of guys. Whether it's Ty Grant, Billy Singleton, or Lamont Middleton. Team players, not concerned about trying to go pro in a year. Those type of kids are out there and Lavin needs to start incorporating some into the program. Obviously you need the top talent like Jermaine as well, but you can't just build a team without guys willing to accept lesser roles.
I'd like some toughness as well. Maybe before he announces a BE game, Fran could stop by our locker room and show the team his balls?
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"He’s gotta learn to play hard all the time" -Tom Konchalski
This quote scares me. We are talking about adding another player to a team that already has problems playing with intensity for 40 mins. Personally, I think Lavin has to find some under tha radar kids that want to play hard. Kids with a chip on their shoulder. Lawrence seems soft to me. But look, as a program, we are in no position to turn down a top 30 talent. I just hope Lavin can get everything out of these kids because right now we are underachieving.
Yeah him and the 40 of the other top 50 players suffer from the same syndrome.
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I think it's not common that you find high motor kids out of highschool, a lot of these kids are so over talented at the highschool level they tend to cruise, a lot of guy don't develop that competitive motor till college or even the pro's so where left always critiquing that " they can be better once pushed"
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Moose...you want 8 guys on the roster every year?
With a pg like Jordan this team would be much improved. Hopefully Lavin can pull it off
No. But I'm quoted on this site and Redmen a number of times saying 10 is the magic number. 11 ships at most. I don't see the need to give out more because unless you correctly manage everyone and their roles you will have a revolving door. Having a Marco or Max around is great. They have a role. Same with Gift. By no way do I not want Jermaine here. But I think Dom's minutes will vanish, maybe Amir too. As for Jordan he would be coming to a crowded backcourt so that leads me to think Harrison might not be around.
10 guys gives you one backup at each position and barely gives you a 5v5 intrasquad scrimmage. What happens when there is an injury or 2. You need to use at least 12 of the schollies. Transfers are a nature of the beast. Only the best survive...let the others transfer if they want. This isn't CYO this is D1 basketball.
I don't understand your statement about a crowded backcourt either. Right now we have two shooting guards and one point guard. Hardly a log jam.
I have to agree there are no issues, not to mention our guards would be upper classmen. Elite programs are able to bury talent on the bench.
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Moose...you want 8 guys on the roster every year?
With a pg like Jordan this team would be much improved. Hopefully Lavin can pull it off
No. But I'm quoted on this site and Redmen a number of times saying 10 is the magic number. 11 ships at most. I don't see the need to give out more because unless you correctly manage everyone and their roles you will have a revolving door. Having a Marco or Max around is great. They have a role. Same with Gift. By no way do I not want Jermaine here. But I think Dom's minutes will vanish, maybe Amir too. As for Jordan he would be coming to a crowded backcourt so that leads me to think Harrison might not be around.
10 guys gives you one backup at each position and barely gives you a 5v5 intrasquad scrimmage. What happens when there is an injury or 2. You need to use at least 12 of the schollies. Transfers are a nature of the beast. Only the best survive...let the others transfer if they want. This isn't CYO this is D1 basketball.
I don't understand your statement about a crowded backcourt either. Right now we have two shooting guards and one point guard. Hardly a log jam.
I have to agree there are no issues, not to mention our guards would be upper classmen. Elite programs are able to bury talent on the bench.
I keep hearing how experience wins yet your willing to say the upper classmen will sit gladly on the bench or the hot shot Top 30 freshman will? Which one?
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Dom and Phil for sure. I think Harrison leaves after his junior year if he continues to improve. Garrett is the wildcard with his baseball situation.
Where will Harrison be going? Unless he transfers, which he won't, he is a four year player. Don't be fooled by stats, his game does not translate well on the next level.
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Moose...you want 8 guys on the roster every year?
With a pg like Jordan this team would be much improved. Hopefully Lavin can pull it off
No. But I'm quoted on this site and Redmen a number of times saying 10 is the magic number. 11 ships at most. I don't see the need to give out more because unless you correctly manage everyone and their roles you will have a revolving door. Having a Marco or Max around is great. They have a role. Same with Gift. By no way do I not want Jermaine here. But I think Dom's minutes will vanish, maybe Amir too. As for Jordan he would be coming to a crowded backcourt so that leads me to think Harrison might not be around.
10 guys gives you one backup at each position and barely gives you a 5v5 intrasquad scrimmage. What happens when there is an injury or 2. You need to use at least 12 of the schollies. Transfers are a nature of the beast. Only the best survive...let the others transfer if they want. This isn't CYO this is D1 basketball.
I don't understand your statement about a crowded backcourt either. Right now we have two shooting guards and one point guard. Hardly a log jam.
I have to agree there are no issues, not to mention our guards would be upper classmen. Elite programs are able to bury talent on the bench.
I keep hearing how experience wins yet your willing to say the upper classmen will sit gladly on the bench or the hot shot Top 30 freshman will? Which one?
Whoever deserve to sit, rankings mean nothing. If the upper classmen don't want to lose their minutes to a freshman, then they need to produce. You want the upper classmen to play the bulk of the minutes, then pass the baton when they leave. If that is not the case sure some may not be happy and transfer, so be it, such is life. I think our freshmen will get plenty of minutes because we will continue to bring in better players'. Heck even the upper classmen will under stand if they're getting their ass handed to them in practice by a freshmen then that freshmen is gonna play. Moe wouldn't have been 1 and done if he went to Cuse, he may have played 10-15 minutes a game being the fourth option. He wouldn't have even known if he was ready for the league. That's were we need to get as a program, were your talented freshmen are not a good as the upper classmen and will be willing to sit and learn from better players because at the end of the day their ultimate goal is to play for a program and coach that will get them to the next level.
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Dom and Phil for sure. I think Harrison leaves after his junior year if he continues to improve. Garrett is the wildcard with his baseball situation.
Where will Harrison be going? Unless he transfers, which he won't, he is a four year player. Don't be fooled by stats, his game does not translate well on the next level.
He's going to the NBA after this season along w Sampson and Obekpa.
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Dom and Phil for sure. I think Harrison leaves after his junior year if he continues to improve. Garrett is the wildcard with his baseball situation.
Where will Harrison be going? Unless he transfers, which he won't, he is a four year player. Don't be fooled by stats, his game does not translate well on the next level.
He's going to the NBA after this season along w Sampson and Obekpa.
It's a free country, anyone can declare, the NBA wanting you is another issue. I don't believe Harrison would get drafted. Obekpa second round if he's lucky. At this point outside of Sampson, who still needs alot of work, they are all four year players'.
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Dom and Phil for sure. I think Harrison leaves after his junior year if he continues to improve. Garrett is the wildcard with his baseball situation.
Where will Harrison be going? Unless he transfers, which he won't, he is a four year player. Don't be fooled by stats, his game does not translate well on the next level.
He's going to the NBA after this season along w Sampson and Obekpa.
It's a free country, anyone can declare, the NBA wanting you is another issue. I don't believe Harrison would get drafted. Obekpa second round if he's lucky. At this point outside of Sampson, who still needs alot of work, they are all four year players'.
If you can't rebound at the college level, you can't rebound at the pro level. Yes, it's a free country. Our players have always been free to be as stupid as they like.
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Poison I agree 100% that, from what I have seen thus far, no one from this team should be making the jump. My earlier comments about Harrison are not indicative of my belief that he should leave, and I agree that based on his current skill set, he seems to be a four year guy if he wants to have a shot at the league. From what people say on this board, they seem to think that him staying four years is not likely, even if that means playing in Europe to get paid (I wouldn't agree with that, but I don't walk in his shoes either).
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Poison I agree 100% that, from what I have seen thus far, no one from this team should be making the jump. My earlier comments about Harrison are not indicative of my belief that he should leave, and I agree that based on his current skill set, he seems to be a four year guy if he wants to have a shot at the league. From what people say on this board, they seem to think that him staying four years is not likely, even if that means playing in Europe to get paid (I wouldn't agree with that, but I don't walk in his shoes either).
It's bad enough that the city doesn't care about SJ, but if the players don't care either, things will get very bad fast. It is rare that a college star player will bolt for no reason other than to go to Europe. It happens, but that is not a common occurance. When Jarvis was here we had several players that just couldn't wait to leave. Their reasons may have different, but it really doesn't matter if that is the trend. A freshman going pro has crippled us this year, and if it happens again, there is no reason to assume we'll be looking at anything more than another 5 win BE season. Which is where we are right now.
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Dom and Phil for sure. I think Harrison leaves after his junior year if he continues to improve. Garrett is the wildcard with his baseball situation.
Where will Harrison be going? Unless he transfers, which he won't, he is a four year player. Don't be fooled by stats, his game does not translate well on the next level.
He's going to the NBA after this season along w Sampson and Obekpa.
If that Occurs then dare I say the Lavin regime pushes us back another 2 years?
:'(
Furthermore, someone needs to tell these guys about the Omar Cook's, and Erick Barkley's before these guys; much better players who didn't stand a chance in the NBA.
One more rant!
Hey (Fill in the blank) puttin up 20 a game doesn't count when you are less than tourney worthy (NCAA) and barely a 2 guard (Body wise). :coolsmiley:
I might sound like a hater but it's tough love folks
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Dom and Phil for sure. I think Harrison leaves after his junior year if he continues to improve. Garrett is the wildcard with his baseball situation.
Where will Harrison be going? Unless he transfers, which he won't, he is a four year player. Don't be fooled by stats, his game does not translate well on the next level.
He's going to the NBA after this season along w Sampson and Obekpa.
If that Occurs then dare I say the Lavin regime pushes us back another 2 years?
:'(
Furthermore, someone needs to tell these guys about the Omar Cook's, and Erick Barkley's before these guys; much better players who didn't stand a chance in the NBA.
One more rant!
Hey (Fill in the blank) puttin up 20 a game doesn't count when you are less than tourney worthy (NCAA) and barely a 2 guard (Body wise). :coolsmiley:
I might sound like a hater but it's tough love folks
Spot on.
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Dom and Phil for sure. I think Harrison leaves after his junior year if he continues to improve. Garrett is the wildcard with his baseball situation.
Where will Harrison be going? Unless he transfers, which he won't, he is a four year player. Don't be fooled by stats, his game does not translate well on the next level.
He's going to the NBA after this season along w Sampson and Obekpa.
If that Occurs then dare I say the Lavin regime pushes us back another 2 years?
:'(
Furthermore, someone needs to tell these guys about the Omar Cook's, and Erick Barkley's before these guys; much better players who didn't stand a chance in the NBA.
One more rant!
Hey (Fill in the blank) puttin up 20 a game doesn't count when you are less than tourney worthy (NCAA) and barely a 2 guard (Body wise). :coolsmiley:
I might sound like a hater but it's tough love folks
Can we get back to the topic of the thread. They are not going to the NBA, that's one posters opinion and then strangely enough, he argues against it. Has anyone heard anything about Lawrence visit?
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Dom and Phil for sure. I think Harrison leaves after his junior year if he continues to improve. Garrett is the wildcard with his baseball situation.
Where will Harrison be going? Unless he transfers, which he won't, he is a four year player. Don't be fooled by stats, his game does not translate well on the next level.
He's going to the NBA after this season along w Sampson and Obekpa.
You're kidding right? Harrison doesn't have the size, length, or athleticism for the league. He is an unathletic tweener. He might have a shot at being a second round pick after his senior year. All this talk about Harrison leaving is utter nonsense. The kid is painfully slow. He got physically shown up by the freshman white kid from USF that will never sniff the league. To top it off, Harrison has a very low release on his shot, and that is a big part of why he gets his shot swatted on the perimeter more than anyone you'll ever see.
I think we'll see all of our freshmen back next year, and I would love to add Lawrence to the mix.
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Dom and Phil for sure. I think Harrison leaves after his junior year if he continues to improve. Garrett is the wildcard with his baseball situation.
Where will Harrison be going? Unless he transfers, which he won't, he is a four year player. Don't be fooled by stats, his game does not translate well on the next level.
He's going to the NBA after this season along w Sampson and Obekpa.
You're kidding right? Harrison doesn't have the size, length, or athleticism for the league. He is an unathletic tweener. He might have a shot at being a second round pick after his senior year. All this talk about Harrison leaving is utter nonsense. The kid is painfully slow. He got physically shown up by the freshman white kid from USF that will never sniff the league. To top it off, Harrison has a very low release on his shot, and that is a big part of why he gets his shot swatted on the perimeter more than anyone you'll ever see.
I think we'll see all of our freshmen back next year, and I would love to add Lawrence to the mix.
Pretty sure he is being sarcastic.
It seems to me that people are getting hung up on DLo leaving because he is delusional about his NBA draft status. No one thinks he is a lock for the NBA, probably including D'Angelo himself. It's been mentioned here in the past that he has other priorities that would make a jump to a mid-high level European league a legitimate option as soon as next year. I think we can agree that there's a 6 figure paycheck for him overseas somewhere and, depending on his perception of his NBA chances after his senior year and his appetite for making professional $ right now, DLo could easily leave after this year.
If DLo leaves, Rysheed is a must IMO. If we lose only DLo, and add Jermaine AND Rysheed, I think we make that trade all day. Obekpa - Sampson - Lawrence is an absurd front line
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“@MaximizeBball: “@mainestory: One more week then I'm back on the court!” Congrats! Great for you and PopeJohn! NJ beware, Pope John front runners 4 TOC!”
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Check out highlights of Jermaine Lawrence (#10) from Pope John XXIII's game against Roselle Catholic at the Hoop Group Tip-Off Showcase from last month.
Pope John vs Roselle Catholic Highlights High School Basketball (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysFflr6Xb50#ws)
Other top recruits who played in the game include
Pope John XXIII:
Bryce Aiken (#11) - 5'7" freshman
Roselle Catholic:
Tyler Roberson (#21) - 6'7" senior committed to Syracuse
Malachi Richardson - 6'6" sophomore considering Indiana, Cincinnati, UConn, Maryland
Hakim Santil (#2) - 5'11" senior considering Cincinnati, South Carolina, SMU
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He did not play.
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saw this linked on his twitter. good read.
http://www.ncsasports.org/blog/2012/07/26/pick-wrong-college/ (http://www.ncsasports.org/blog/2012/07/26/pick-wrong-college/)
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Jermaine Lawrence @mainestory
Watchin this Cincy v. St.Johns game
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Jermaine Lawrence @mainestory
Watchin this Cincy v. St.Johns game
Can't hurt that we beat our main competition for him today.
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Jermaine Lawrence @mainestory
Watchin this Cincy v. St.Johns game
Can't hurt that we beat our main competition for him today.
2 years in a row with only freshman and sophomores !!!
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Jermaine Lawrence @mainestory
Watchin this Cincy v. St.Johns game
Can't hurt that we beat our main competition for him today.
2 years in a row with only freshman and sophomores !!!
3 yrs in a row down there.
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Could be Lavin's best win as a sju coach with his own players. We might be looking back in a few months and say "that Cincy win on road, started something great for this season".
Lavin got the most he could out of our bigs, and if Jermaine sees that too, he will want to be part of that.
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JL has good self promotion skills lol. Billy C. Was not a power forward though. I didn't watch anything after that, but look at who he sent this to. I wonder who put this together for him?
“@mainestory: THE ELEMENTS OF MY GAME: Top 10 NBA Power Forwards @JayJayUSATODAY @JordanClassic @ebosshoops @bobbajek @DaveTelep http://t.co/XfLLmIT9 (http://t.co/XfLLmIT9)”
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No Maurice Lucas? When you open the dictionary to "power forward," it has his picture.
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Story up on ESPN Insider today, with quotes from Jermaine.
Here are the relevant parts:
“I’m going to take an official to St. John’s soon,” he said, “Then, after the visit, we’ll take a little time to sit down and see what each school has to offer and then we’ll go from there.
Lawrence said there is plenty to like about each of his options.
UNLV
“I liked their up-tempo style of play and the weather is real nice,” Lawrence said. “Plus, I’d have the opportunity to play with Savon Goodman again, who I played with in AAU.”
Cinn
“Coach Savino has been there throughout my recruitment,” Lawrence said. “He’s been consistent with me and my family, always communicating with me and my mom, and been to a lot of my high school and AAU games.”
"I like that they’re a tough team,” Lawrence said. “And Bearcat Nation showed a lot of support when I was out there.”
SJU
“It’s only a few minutes away from my neighborhood,” Lawrence said, “so my mom and I have been there a bunch.
“Coach (Steve) Lavin is a winning coach and he’s bringing the program to the next level,” Lawrence added. “I know Chris Obekpa and I could see us playing (well) together in the frontcourt.”
http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/ncbrecruiting/national/post?id=5061&refresh=true&refresh=true (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/ncbrecruiting/national/post?id=5061&refresh=true&refresh=true)
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“@SLAMonline: King From Queens: Versatile, silky-smooth swingman Jermaine Lawrence is ready for the next step: http://t.co/JDI0LLO3 (http://t.co/JDI0LLO3) @mainestory”
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Thanks for posting updates guys.
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I love beating Cincy and then having the last visit. Bring Lawrence back home...
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I feel real good about his recruitment at this point.
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I'm just guessing but I think it's Cincinnati or us. Winning the next couple of games would be a nice boast in our sails.
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“@ReggieRankin: St. John's Red Storm hoping for another late recruiting surge - ESPN http://t.co/kHKud07w (http://t.co/kHKud07w)”
Anyone?
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“@ReggieRankin: St. John's Red Storm hoping for another late recruiting surge - ESPN http://t.co/kHKud07w (http://t.co/kHKud07w)”
Anyone?
You’ll have to excuse St. John’s fans if they aren’t worried that Steve Lavin has at least two scholarships to give in the Class of 2013 but still no commitments to his name. Because after the 11th-hour class he pulled off a year ago, this latest challenge seems like nothing.
Thus far in 2013, St. John’s has come out empty-handed in its pursuit of ESPN 100 prospects like Jarrell Martin, Ishmail Wainright, Damian Jones and Kentan Facey, but the Red Storm have made the final cut and top three for both Jermaine Lawrence and Rysheed Jordan.
Last year, Lavin was able to go two-for-two with his top targets in Sampson and Obekpa. If he does so again this year, St. John’s will suddenly have one of the most talented young rosters on the East Coast.
The question this year, as it was a year ago, is where St. John’s will go if it's not able to get its top target. That was an answer we never had to find out a year ago. If Lavin can repeat that success a second time around, he’ll have solidified his status as one of the best second-half recruiters in the game and set St. John's up for several years of prosperity as a result.
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“@ReggieRankin: St. John's Red Storm hoping for another late recruiting surge - ESPN http://t.co/kHKud07w (http://t.co/kHKud07w)”
Anyone?
You’ll have to excuse St. John’s fans if they aren’t worried that Steve Lavin has at least two scholarships to give in the Class of 2013 but still no commitments to his name. Because after the 11th-hour class he pulled off a year ago, this latest challenge seems like nothing.
Thus far in 2013, St. John’s has come out empty-handed in its pursuit of ESPN 100 prospects like Jarrell Martin, Ishmail Wainright, Damian Jones and Kentan Facey, but the Red Storm have made the final cut and top three for both Jermaine Lawrence and Rysheed Jordan.
Last year, Lavin was able to go two-for-two with his top targets in Sampson and Obekpa. If he does so again this year, St. John’s will suddenly have one of the most talented young rosters on the East Coast.
The question this year, as it was a year ago, is where St. John’s will go if it's not able to get its top target. That was an answer we never had to find out a year ago. If Lavin can repeat that success a second time around, he’ll have solidified his status as one of the best second-half recruiters in the game and set St. John's up for several years of prosperity as a result.
Thanks
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Adding both Jordan and Lawrence almost seems too good to be true. Good fortune like that can't happen to us, can it? ;)
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“@ReggieRankin: St. John's Red Storm hoping for another late recruiting surge - ESPN http://t.co/kHKud07w (http://t.co/kHKud07w)”
Anyone?
You’ll have to excuse St. John’s fans if they aren’t worried that Steve Lavin has at least two scholarships to give in the Class of 2013 but still no commitments to his name. Because after the 11th-hour class he pulled off a year ago, this latest challenge seems like nothing.
Thus far in 2013, St. John’s has come out empty-handed in its pursuit of ESPN 100 prospects like Jarrell Martin, Ishmail Wainright, Damian Jones and Kentan Facey, but the Red Storm have made the final cut and top three for both Jermaine Lawrence and Rysheed Jordan.
Last year, Lavin was able to go two-for-two with his top targets in Sampson and Obekpa. If he does so again this year, St. John’s will suddenly have one of the most talented young rosters on the East Coast.
The question this year, as it was a year ago, is where St. John’s will go if it's not able to get its top target. That was an answer we never had to find out a year ago. If Lavin can repeat that success a second time around, he’ll have solidified his status as one of the best second-half recruiters in the game and set St. John's up for several years of prosperity as a result.
thanks moose.
but at least 2 scholarships to give?
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ESPN Insider with further commentary on SJU's chances picking up Lawrence and Jordan. Interestingly, the author makes it seem almost a forgone conclusion that BOTH Sampson and Harrison are gone after this year.
"At this point last year, it did not appear St. John's would land another highly-rated recruiting class. However, the spring brought commitments from JaKarr Sampson and Chris Obekpa, and the Johnnies found themselves with another top 25-ranked group of newcomers.
ESPN's Adam Finkelstein touched on the Red Storm's 2013 recruiting efforts, noting that while Lavin and his staff may have missed on several targets, a list that includes Ish Wainwright and NYC-native Kentan Facey, but Finkelstein also mentions there are two top tier recruits who could end up wearing a SJU uniform in 2013-14. One is Rysheed Jordan, a guard who included the Johnnies in his final three and would help soften the blow if D'Angelo Harrison decides to leave Queens at the end of the season. Harrison has significantly retooled his offense within the arc, converting over 50 percent of his twos (a stark reversal from the 38.3 percent he shot in '12), and scored 15 points in the win against Cincinnati.
The other prospect, Jermaine Lawrence, has been on SJU's radar for some time, and he recently told Finkelstein that he would be comfortable pairing with Obekpa in the frontcourt. It will be interesting if Lavin and Co. manage to land commitments from either -- or both -- prospects. There is a good chance Harrison and potentially Sampson declare for the NBA draft during the spring, a move that would free up two scholarships (it is unclear whether Orlando Sanchez will officially step on the court in '13)."
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Adam Zagoria @AdamZagoria
.@Mainestory is considering #stjbb, Cincinnati and UNLV, with sources telling @SNYtv #stjbb is the leader
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Adam Zagoria @AdamZagoria
.@Mainestory is considering #stjbb, Cincinnati and UNLV, with sources telling @SNYtv #stjbb is the leader
Now we can all start saying how much we believe zags sources :P
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“@AdamZagoria: Lawrence Remains Out as Pope John Hosts Cancer Benefit http://t.co/xmp67fbG (http://t.co/xmp67fbG) @BryceAiken @mainestory @PopeJohnBball”
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Told Jermaine Lawrence will take an unofficial to St. John's at end of month and make a decision shortly afterwards (1)”
“@NYPost_Brazille: Lawrence doesn't need an official b/c he lives so close. Also, will make a decision shortly after, likely in early February. (2)”
“@NYPost_Brazille: Also, sources say, no leader, for Jermaine Lawrence, but St. John's does have an "advantage" because it it so close by.”
“@NYPost_Brazille: Of three schools left -- CIncy, St. John's and UNLV -- St. John's was first school to recruit Lawrence, which means a lot to family. #stjbb”
Looking good.
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Told Jermaine Lawrence will take an unofficial to St. John's at end of month and make a decision shortly afterwards (1)”
“@NYPost_Brazille: Lawrence doesn't need an official b/c he lives so close. Also, will make a decision shortly after, likely in early February. (2)”
“@NYPost_Brazille: Also, sources say, no leader, for Jermaine Lawrence, but St. John's does have an "advantage" because it it so close by.”
“@NYPost_Brazille: Of three schools left -- CIncy, St. John's and UNLV -- St. John's was first school to recruit Lawrence, which means a lot to family. #stjbb”
Looking good.
Sounds good. As always, appreciate the info paultz!
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Told Jermaine Lawrence will take an unofficial to St. John's at end of month and make a decision shortly afterwards (1)”
“@NYPost_Brazille: Lawrence doesn't need an official b/c he lives so close. Also, will make a decision shortly after, likely in early February. (2)”
“@NYPost_Brazille: Also, sources say, no leader, for Jermaine Lawrence, but St. John's does have an "advantage" because it it so close by.”
“@NYPost_Brazille: Of three schools left -- CIncy, St. John's and UNLV -- St. John's was first school to recruit Lawrence, which means a lot to family. #stjbb”
Looking good.
Sounds good. As always, appreciate the info paultz!
My pleasure Mase.
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About time for a thank you Paultzman. Thank you for the information I wouldn't find 1/2 of this in a month of looking!
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About time for a thank you Paultzman. Thank you for the information I wouldn't find 1/2 of this in a month of looking!
+10
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About time for a thank you Paultzman. Thank you for the information I wouldn't find 1/2 of this in a month of looking!
as a guy who's just been mostly reading for the past few years, your updates are on point and much appreciated.
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About time for a thank you Paultzman. Thank you for the information I wouldn't find 1/2 of this in a month of looking!
+1
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About time for a thank you Paultzman. Thank you for the information I wouldn't find 1/2 of this in a month of looking!
as a guy who's just been mostly reading for the past few years, your updates are on point and much appreciated.
This. Def one of my favorite posters. Thank you.
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Thanks guys. As a retired guy, this Board has been fun!
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It would be nice for him to visit officially though so we can roll out the red carpet. I am sure Lavin does a good job when kids visit. Most kids that visit officially commit.
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It would be nice for him to visit officially though so we can roll out the red carpet. I am sure Lavin does a good job when kids visit. Most kids that visit officially commit.
And then don't qualify!!!
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It would be nice for him to visit officially though so we can roll out the red carpet. I am sure Lavin does a good job when kids visit. Most kids that visit officially commit.
And then don't qualify!!!
Ouch !. It is frustrating though
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It would be nice for him to visit officially though so we can roll out the red carpet. I am sure Lavin does a good job when kids visit. Most kids that visit officially commit.
And then don't qualify!!!
Yes every player, all 15 or so that Lavin brought in did not qualify ::)
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Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille
Source says St. John's only recruiting Jermaine Lawrence and Rysheed Jordan for 2013, but Johnnies "right there" for both. #stjbb
Risky move, hope it works out
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“@NYPost_Brazille: #stjbb's Lavin on recruiting: “If we don’t sign anybody, that’s fine. ... Only going to bring in somebody if they fill a need."”
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“@NYPost_Brazille: #stjbb's Lavin on recruiting: “If we don’t sign anybody, that’s fine. ... Only going to bring in somebody if they fill a need."”
Luckily top 20 talent is a need, especially standing 6'9
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Here's a need - another player that can create his own offense.
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“@nypostsports: RECRUITING CONFIDENTIAL: St. John's has no commitments from 2013 prospects http://t.co/RCcjjFIa (http://t.co/RCcjjFIa)”
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“@NYPost_Brazille: #stjbb's Lavin on recruiting: “If we don’t sign anybody, that’s fine. ... Only going to bring in somebody if they fill a need."”
Completely disagree with him
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Not very encouraging! :o
But, He Does have a starting point with a probable 3 players joining the team next year :idiot2:
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“@NYPost_Brazille: #stjbb's Lavin on recruiting: “If we don’t sign anybody, that’s fine. ... Only going to bring in somebody if they fill a need."”
I wonder if he still believes that BS after coaching this game
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“@NYPost_Brazille: #stjbb's Lavin on recruiting: “If we don’t sign anybody, that’s fine. ... Only going to bring in somebody if they fill a need."”
Completely disagree with him
Agreed :-[
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Starting to sound like Jarvis-the hell with recruiting.
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I think the quote simply means that he is going after only Rysheed and Jermaine and if he doesnt get them he would rather bank the scholarships for prospects he feels can help us in 2014 rather than wasting a scholarship on an inferior 2013 player.
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I think the quote simply means that he is going after only Rysheed and Jermaine and if he doesnt get them he would rather bank the scholarships for prospects he feels can help us in 2014 rather than wasting a scholarship on an inferior 2013 player.
Another reason why Gift is redshirted.
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I think the quote simply means that he is going after only Rysheed and Jermaine and if he doesnt get them he would rather bank the scholarships for prospects he feels can help us in 2014 rather than wasting a scholarship on an inferior 2013 player.
Another reason why Gift is redshirted.
Redshirting Gift is without a doubt a gigantic error in judgement. Last year, this team struggled because it had only big man. This year, they are struggling for the same reason. I'm furious w Lavin for being so careless. He got a pass last year, but this season the honeymoon is over.
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I think the quote simply means that he is going after only Rysheed and Jermaine and if he doesnt get them he would rather bank the scholarships for prospects he feels can help us in 2014 rather than wasting a scholarship on an inferior 2013 player.
Another reason why Gift is redshirted.
Redshirting Gift is without a doubt a gigantic error in judgement. Last year, this team struggled because it had only big man. This year, they are struggling for the same reason. I'm furious w Lavin for being so careless. He got a pass last year, but this season the honeymoon is over.
Dude how many losses would be wins with him? 1 maybe 2. Call it an error if you want. I'd rather have him next year than a reach in '13.
I agree the honeymoon is over and all that but this Gift 2nd guessing needs to stop.
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I think the quote simply means that he is going after only Rysheed and Jermaine and if he doesnt get them he would rather bank the scholarships for prospects he feels can help us in 2014 rather than wasting a scholarship on an inferior 2013 player.
Another reason why Gift is redshirted.
Redshirting Gift is without a doubt a gigantic error in judgement. Last year, this team struggled because it had only big man. This year, they are struggling for the same reason. I'm furious w Lavin for being so careless. He got a pass last year, but this season the honeymoon is over.
Dude how many losses would be wins with him? 1 maybe 2. Call it an error if you want. I'd rather have him next year than a reach in '13.
I agree the honeymoon is over and all that but this Gift 2nd guessing needs to stop.
I disagree. Please tell me why he should have redshirted a senior? How many wins will he add next year? Dude, according to you not many. Knowing Lavin has done well with recruits, why not get rid of the scholarship since he is a senior? He started from scratch in March when he was hired with 9 available scholarships, pretty much all of us fans were satisfied. Maybe he should have tried to use a post player this year and recruit one for next year? Are no post players this year better than 1 post player next year? Knowing Lavin recruiting success here, I'd at least try for Gift now and1 next yr.
Currently, Jones doesnt play at all. That means Jakarr and Obekpa are the only big guys, and neither plays with their back to the basket? When one is out Dom, Amir or Felix have to play the 4. No one on this team can play with their back to the basket. No one can rebound either. Gift wasnt great in the post but at least we threw it in the post to him b/c it kept a defense honest and he grabbed a few boards.
Now our offense is what it is, a bunch of crap on the outside, a pick from our 4 or 5, a switch and then hope our man with the ball can take that guy 1-1 with the switch. It usually ends up in a missed jump shot. We threw it in the post last year with gift, that doesnt happen at all this year. He is a senior, if you dont think he's great to add wins that is fine. That means he wont add wins next year. Lavin may not be able to distinguish himself as a coach, but he has shown he can recruit. Instead of redshirting a senior who apparently "wont add many wins" play him now let him leave and try and recruit someone who can.
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I think the quote simply means that he is going after only Rysheed and Jermaine and if he doesnt get them he would rather bank the scholarships for prospects he feels can help us in 2014 rather than wasting a scholarship on an inferior 2013 player.
Another reason why Gift is redshirted.
Redshirting Gift is without a doubt a gigantic error in judgement. Last year, this team struggled because it had only big man. This year, they are struggling for the same reason. I'm furious w Lavin for being so careless. He got a pass last year, but this season the honeymoon is over.
Dude how many losses would be wins with him? 1 maybe 2. Call it an error if you want. I'd rather have him next year than a reach in '13.
I agree the honeymoon is over and all that but this Gift 2nd guessing needs to stop.
I'm sorry, but I completely disagree with you. In no way am I saying that St. John's would be an 11 or 12 win team with GG playing this year. But the fact is he is an experienced big man who could give you valuable minutes. Instead, Lavin has basically opted to go with inexperienced players down low (Sampson and Obekpa) who have been completely outmuscled by older, stronger big men.
Assuming that Zags was right about Lavin knowing in November that Sanchez could be out for the entire season, he handled the GG situation completely wrong. From afar, it almost looks like Lavin knew this was going to be a disaster season and instead of hitting the recruiting trail hard and finding a replacement for GG for 2013-'14, he convinced the kid to sit out a year in hopes for a better opportunity next year.
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1) Lawrence will sign with St Johns
2) Some within the program are trying to convince Lavin to stop recruiting "athletes" and start recruiting basketball players will specific skill sets.
3) If Harrison , Sampson or Obekpa have their sights on the NBA next yr they need to have their head exaimaned.....
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1) Lawrence will sign with St Johns
2) Some within the program are trying to convince Lavin to stop recruiting "athletes" and start recruiting basketball players will specific skill sets.
3) If Harrison , Sampson or Obekpa have their sights on the NBA next yr they need to have their head exaimaned.....
Thanks for update 79. Great news. We need it.
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Things seem to have changed big time with his recruitment since bag gate .. Now he needs to actually play some since he has had a 5 month layoff .
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Bag gate?
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I think the quote simply means that he is going after only Rysheed and Jermaine and if he doesnt get them he would rather bank the scholarships for prospects he feels can help us in 2014 rather than wasting a scholarship on an inferior 2013 player.
Another reason why Gift is redshirted.
Redshirting Gift is without a doubt a gigantic error in judgement. Last year, this team struggled because it had only big man. This year, they are struggling for the same reason. I'm furious w Lavin for being so careless. He got a pass last year, but this season the honeymoon is over.
Dude how many losses would be wins with him? 1 maybe 2. Call it an error if you want. I'd rather have him next year than a reach in '13.
I agree the honeymoon is over and all that but this Gift 2nd guessing needs to stop.
If you are going to be bold enough to do it, you have to have a damn good reason. So far, there isn't one. I wouldn't redshirt gift because he's our only upperclassman. I also wouldn't redshirt DLo because he's our only scorer. When you have one of something, you can't afford to redshirt it. Lavin made a big mistake.
And to answer your question, Gift would have made a difference against Murray State, UNCC, Nova & Rutgers. He's not a world beater, but against shorter teams he was good. He couldn't handle the SU/Gtown/Louisville, and we know that, but this team couldn't afford to redshirt the only upperclassman it had.
It was a horrible mistake on Lavin's part.
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1) Lawrence will sign with St Johns
Terrific news
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1) Lawrence will sign with St Johns
Terrific news
This hasn't happened yet!
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1) Lawrence will sign with St Johns
Terrific news
This hasn't happened yet!
SJU79 usually has good info. It's great news if the indications from him are that Jermaine will sign here.
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1) Lawrence will sign with St Johns
2) Some within the program are trying to convince Lavin to stop recruiting "athletes" and start recruiting basketball players will specific skill sets.
3) If Harrison , Sampson or Obekpa have their sights on the NBA next yr they need to have their head exaimaned.....
Great news '79.
But I guess the question I have is, is Lawrence just another top 50 athlete that needs a lot of developing, or is he a basketball player?
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I think the quote simply means that he is going after only Rysheed and Jermaine and if he doesnt get them he would rather bank the scholarships for prospects he feels can help us in 2014 rather than wasting a scholarship on an inferior 2013 player.
Another reason why Gift is redshirted.
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Redshirting Gift is without a doubt a gigantic error in judgement. Last year, this team struggled because it had only big man. This year, they are struggling for the same reason. I'm furious w Lavin for being so careless. He got a pass last year, but this season the honeymoon is over.
Dude how many losses would be wins with him? 1 maybe 2. Call it an error if you want. I'd rather have him next year than a reach in '13.
I agree the honeymoon is over and all that but this Gift 2nd guessing needs to stop.
I disagree. Please tell me why he should have redshirted a senior? How many wins will he add next year? Dude, according to you not many. Knowing Lavin has done well with recruits, why not get rid of the scholarship since he is a senior? He started from scratch in March when he was hired with 9 available scholarships, pretty much all of us fans were satisfied. Maybe he should have tried to use a post player this year and recruit one for next year? Are no post players this year better than 1 post player next year? Knowing Lavin recruiting success here, I'd at least try for Gift now and1 next yr.
Currently, Jones doesnt play at all. That means Jakarr and Obekpa are the only big guys, and neither plays with their back to the basket? When one is out Dom, Amir or Felix have to play the 4. No one on this team can play with their back to the basket. No one can rebound either. Gift wasnt great in the post but at least we threw it in the post to him b/c it kept a defense honest and he grabbed a few boards.
Now our offense is what it is, a bunch of crap on the outside, a pick from our 4 or 5, a switch and then hope our man with the ball can take that guy 1-1 with the switch. It usually ends up in a missed jump shot. We threw it in the post last year with gift, that doesnt happen at all this year. He is a senior, if you dont think he's great to add wins that is fine. That means he wont add wins next year. Lavin may not be able to distinguish himself as a coach, but he has shown he can recruit. Instead of redshirting a senior who apparently "wont add many wins" play him now let him leave and try and recruit someone who can.
I also think it was a mistake to redshirt Gift,dont understand the reasoning. He would have helped this year,more wins would help the branding of the program. How much PT would he get if Lawrence comes? Would have opened a scholi to fill a need.
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1) Lawrence will sign with St Johns
2) Some within the program are trying to convince Lavin to stop recruiting "athletes" and start recruiting basketball players will specific skill sets.
3) If Harrison , Sampson or Obekpa have their sights on the NBA next yr they need to have their head exaimaned.....
Great news '79.
But I guess the question I have is, is Lawrence just another top 50 athlete that needs a lot of developing, or is he a basketball player?
Or is he eligible?
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1) Lawrence will sign with St Johns
2) Some within the program are trying to convince Lavin to stop recruiting "athletes" and start recruiting basketball players will specific skill sets.
3) If Harrison , Sampson or Obekpa have their sights on the NBA next yr they need to have their head exaimaned.....
Great news '79.
But I guess the question I have is, is Lawrence just another top 50 athlete that needs a lot of developing, or is he a basketball player?
Or is he eligible?
That's a good question too.
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1) Lawrence will sign with St Johns
2) Some within the program are trying to convince Lavin to stop recruiting "athletes" and start recruiting basketball players will specific skill sets.
3) If Harrison , Sampson or Obekpa have their sights on the NBA next yr they need to have their head exaimaned.....
Great news '79.
But I guess the question I have is, is Lawrence just another top 50 athlete that needs a lot of developing, or is he a basketball player?
From everything I've read/heard he is extremely skilled and can shoot very well.
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I think the quote simply means that he is going after only Rysheed and Jermaine and if he doesnt get them he would rather bank the scholarships for prospects he feels can help us in 2014 rather than wasting a scholarship on an inferior 2013 player.
Another reason why Gift is redshirted.
Redshirting Gift is without a doubt a gigantic error in judgement. Last year, this team struggled because it had only big man. This year, they are struggling for the same reason. I'm furious w Lavin for being so careless. He got a pass last year, but this season the honeymoon is over.
Dude how many losses would be wins with him? 1 maybe 2. Call it an error if you want. I'd rather have him next year than a reach in '13.
I agree the honeymoon is over and all that but this Gift 2nd guessing needs to stop.
I disagree. Please tell me why he should have redshirted a senior? How many wins will he add next year? Dude, according to you not many. Knowing Lavin has done well with recruits, why not get rid of the scholarship since he is a senior? He started from scratch in March when he was hired with 9 available scholarships, pretty much all of us fans were satisfied. Maybe he should have tried to use a post player this year and recruit one for next year? Are no post players this year better than 1 post player next year? Knowing Lavin recruiting success here, I'd at least try for Gift now and1 next yr.
Currently, Jones doesnt play at all. That means Jakarr and Obekpa are the only big guys, and neither plays with their back to the basket? When one is out Dom, Amir or Felix have to play the 4. No one on this team can play with their back to the basket. No one can rebound either. Gift wasnt great in the post but at least we threw it in the post to him b/c it kept a defense honest and he grabbed a few boards.
Now our offense is what it is, a bunch of crap on the outside, a pick from our 4 or 5, a switch and then hope our man with the ball can take that guy 1-1 with the switch. It usually ends up in a missed jump shot. We threw it in the post last year with gift, that doesnt happen at all this year. He is a senior, if you dont think he's great to add wins that is fine. That means he wont add wins next year. Lavin may not be able to distinguish himself as a coach, but he has shown he can recruit. Instead of redshirting a senior who apparently "wont add many wins" play him now let him leave and try and recruit someone who can.
I've said it 1000 times now I'll say it a 1001. Gift isn't adding many wins no matter what year. But having a 5th year Sr is light years more valuable than a freshman as we have seen first hand. And if Lavin is targeting next year as "the" year which he has said multiple times. When the 2011 class are upperclassmen. Then its smart to keep Gift around. He doesn't have many targets in '13 because he was playing catchup after scrambling for '11 and '12 classes. So instead of reach and take another 'new' guy why not save Gift.
And for those all angry he did it in light of Sanchez being ruled ineligible in November. We don't know if it was Nov 1 or Nov 30. It would be unfair to Gift to yo yo him and pull the redshirt then. The kid wants his Masters degree as well so it works for all parties.
We are fans who can 2nd guess him till the cows come home. But bottom line he has a better idea of what kids he has a chance with than any of us know. He knows its thin in 13.
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1) Lawrence will sign with St Johns
2) Some within the program are trying to convince Lavin to stop recruiting "athletes" and start recruiting basketball players will specific skill sets.
3) If Harrison , Sampson or Obekpa have their sights on the NBA next yr they need to have their head exaimaned.....
Great news '79.
But I guess the question I have is, is Lawrence just another top 50 athlete that needs a lot of developing, or is he a basketball player?
From everything I've read/heard he is extremely skilled and can shoot very well.
That's good to know. We need scoring and a guy who can come in right away and help.
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2) Some within the program are trying to convince Lavin to stop recruiting "athletes" and start recruiting basketball players will specific skill sets.
i honestly think a pure PG would make a HUGE difference
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I think the quote simply means that he is going after only Rysheed and Jermaine and if he doesnt get them he would rather bank the scholarships for prospects he feels can help us in 2014 rather than wasting a scholarship on an inferior 2013 player.
Another reason why Gift is redshirted.
Redshirting Gift is without a doubt a gigantic error in judgement. Last year, this team struggled because it had only big man. This year, they are struggling for the same reason. I'm furious w Lavin for being so careless. He got a pass last year, but this season the honeymoon is over.
Dude how many losses would be wins with him? 1 maybe 2. Call it an error if you want. I'd rather have him next year than a reach in '13.
I agree the honeymoon is over and all that but this Gift 2nd guessing needs to stop.
I disagree. Please tell me why he should have redshirted a senior? How many wins will he add next year? Dude, according to you not many. Knowing Lavin has done well with recruits, why not get rid of the scholarship since he is a senior? He started from scratch in March when he was hired with 9 available scholarships, pretty much all of us fans were satisfied. Maybe he should have tried to use a post player this year and recruit one for next year? Are no post players this year better than 1 post player next year? Knowing Lavin recruiting success here, I'd at least try for Gift now and1 next yr.
Currently, Jones doesnt play at all. That means Jakarr and Obekpa are the only big guys, and neither plays with their back to the basket? When one is out Dom, Amir or Felix have to play the 4. No one on this team can play with their back to the basket. No one can rebound either. Gift wasnt great in the post but at least we threw it in the post to him b/c it kept a defense honest and he grabbed a few boards.
Now our offense is what it is, a bunch of crap on the outside, a pick from our 4 or 5, a switch and then hope our man with the ball can take that guy 1-1 with the switch. It usually ends up in a missed jump shot. We threw it in the post last year with gift, that doesnt happen at all this year. He is a senior, if you dont think he's great to add wins that is fine. That means he wont add wins next year. Lavin may not be able to distinguish himself as a coach, but he has shown he can recruit. Instead of redshirting a senior who apparently "wont add many wins" play him now let him leave and try and recruit someone who can.
I've said it 1000 times now I'll say it a 1001. Gift isn't adding many wins no matter what year. But having a 5th year Sr is light years more valuable than a freshman as we have seen first hand. And if Lavin is targeting next year as "the" year which he has said multiple times. When the 2011 class are upperclassmen. Then its smart to keep Gift around. He doesn't have many targets in '13 because he was playing catchup after scrambling for '11 and '12 classes. So instead of reach and take another 'new' guy why not save Gift.
And for those all angry he did it in light of Sanchez being ruled ineligible in November. We don't know if it was Nov 1 or Nov 30. It would be unfair to Gift to yo yo him and pull the redshirt then. The kid wants his Masters degree as well so it works for all parties.
We are fans who can 2nd guess him till the cows come home. But bottom line he has a better idea of what kids he has a chance with than any of us know. He knows its thin in 13.
You can say it all you like, a lot of people don't agree, and that's their right. These are Lavin's "Young Johnnies", and this is his fault. He will be held accountable for this dramatic failure. He has put out one of the worst St.John's teams I've ever seem, and I'll say it right now, of he doesn't make adjustments, and improvements, he should be fired.
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I think the quote simply means that he is going after only Rysheed and Jermaine and if he doesnt get them he would rather bank the scholarships for prospects he feels can help us in 2014 rather than wasting a scholarship on an inferior 2013 player.
Another reason why Gift is redshirted.
Redshirting Gift is without a doubt a gigantic error in judgement. Last year, this team struggled because it had only big man. This year, they are struggling for the same reason. I'm furious w Lavin for being so careless. He got a pass last year, but this season the honeymoon is over.
Dude how many losses would be wins with him? 1 maybe 2. Call it an error if you want. I'd rather have him next year than a reach in '13.
I agree the honeymoon is over and all that but this Gift 2nd guessing needs to stop.
I disagree. Please tell me why he should have redshirted a senior? How many wins will he add next year? Dude, according to you not many. Knowing Lavin has done well with recruits, why not get rid of the scholarship since he is a senior? He started from scratch in March when he was hired with 9 available scholarships, pretty much all of us fans were satisfied. Maybe he should have tried to use a post player this year and recruit one for next year? Are no post players this year better than 1 post player next year? Knowing Lavin recruiting success here, I'd at least try for Gift now and1 next yr.
Currently, Jones doesnt play at all. That means Jakarr and Obekpa are the only big guys, and neither plays with their back to the basket? When one is out Dom, Amir or Felix have to play the 4. No one on this team can play with their back to the basket. No one can rebound either. Gift wasnt great in the post but at least we threw it in the post to him b/c it kept a defense honest and he grabbed a few boards.
Now our offense is what it is, a bunch of crap on the outside, a pick from our 4 or 5, a switch and then hope our man with the ball can take that guy 1-1 with the switch. It usually ends up in a missed jump shot. We threw it in the post last year with gift, that doesnt happen at all this year. He is a senior, if you dont think he's great to add wins that is fine. That means he wont add wins next year. Lavin may not be able to distinguish himself as a coach, but he has shown he can recruit. Instead of redshirting a senior who apparently "wont add many wins" play him now let him leave and try and recruit someone who can.
I've said it 1000 times now I'll say it a 1001. Gift isn't adding many wins no matter what year. But having a 5th year Sr is light years more valuable than a freshman as we have seen first hand. And if Lavin is targeting next year as "the" year which he has said multiple times. When the 2011 class are upperclassmen. Then its smart to keep Gift around. He doesn't have many targets in '13 because he was playing catchup after scrambling for '11 and '12 classes. So instead of reach and take another 'new' guy why not save Gift.
And for those all angry he did it in light of Sanchez being ruled ineligible in November. We don't know if it was Nov 1 or Nov 30. It would be unfair to Gift to yo yo him and pull the redshirt then. The kid wants his Masters degree as well so it works for all parties.
We are fans who can 2nd guess him till the cows come home. But bottom line he has a better idea of what kids he has a chance with than any of us know. He knows its thin in 13.
You can say it all you like, a lot of people don't agree, and that's their right. These are Lavin's "Young Johnnies", and this is his fault. He will be held accountable for this dramatic failure. He has put out one of the worst St.John's teams I've ever seem, and I'll say it right now, of he doesn't make adjustments, and improvements, he should be fired.
Whatever floats your boat man.
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Let's see where he stands after next season. Troubled, but I'm trying to be unemotional and fair.
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He redshirted GIft because next year is the year we are planning on making the big jump. We will have upper class and Sampson will have another year under his belt. Next year if we stay in the big east we will have an extremely tough schedule, my sources have already confirmed that we will be playing in the legends classic at the barclays center next year and there will be at least two top 10 teams in that field. This year is about developing and next year is really year three where the jump will be made. People on this board have to realize we started from complete scratch last year, this is really like year 2, and if you don't understand what it takes to build a program after 10 years of disaster coaching then you should get your head examined.
-bucknasty
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He redshirted GIft because next year is the year we are planning on making the big jump. We will have upper class and Sampson will have another year under his belt. Next year if we stay in the big east we will have an extremely tough schedule, my sources have already confirmed that we will be playing in the legends classic at the barclays center next year and there will be at least two top 10 teams in that field. This year is about developing and next year is really year three where the jump will be made. People on this board have to realize we started from complete scratch last year, this is really like year 2, and if you don't understand what it takes to build a program after 10 years of disaster coaching then you should get your head examined.
-bucknasty
Lavin told me 12-13 would be the breakout year. Is he a liar?
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He redshirted GIft because next year is the year we are planning on making the big jump. We will have upper class and Sampson will have another year under his belt. Next year if we stay in the big east we will have an extremely tough schedule, my sources have already confirmed that we will be playing in the legends classic at the barclays center next year and there will be at least two top 10 teams in that field. This year is about developing and next year is really year three where the jump will be made. People on this board have to realize we started from complete scratch last year, this is really like year 2, and if you don't understand what it takes to build a program after 10 years of disaster coaching then you should get your head examined.
-bucknasty
Thank you
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He redshirted GIft because next year is the year we are planning on making the big jump. We will have upper class and Sampson will have another year under his belt. Next year if we stay in the big east we will have an extremely tough schedule, my sources have already confirmed that we will be playing in the legends classic at the barclays center next year and there will be at least two top 10 teams in that field. This year is about developing and next year is really year three where the jump will be made. People on this board have to realize we started from complete scratch last year, this is really like year 2, and if you don't understand what it takes to build a program after 10 years of disaster coaching then you should get your head examined.
-bucknasty
Lavin told me 12-13 would be the breakout year. Is he a liar?
Didn't we already establish that?
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Has anyone here seen Jermaine play in person? Just trying to get a feel for his game other than his highlights. His iq and playmaking ability etc..
I'd appreciate any info.
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Has anyone here seen Jermaine play in person? Just trying to get a feel for his game other than his highlights. His iq and playmaking ability etc..
I'd appreciate any info.
Yes. Tremendous athlete and pretty good shooter. He like many others his size thinks he is a guard though. If we are looking for a bruising rebounder.. Then this is not that type of kid.. Alot of people I speak to question his drive for the game.. You can't turn away potential kids like this though.... That being said he completely earned his ranking by having a 2 month hot AAU stretch and I keep saying something isn't right that he hasn't played in 5 months with a wrist injury .
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Has anyone here seen Jermaine play in person? Just trying to get a feel for his game other than his highlights. His iq and playmaking ability etc..
I'd appreciate any info.
Yes. Tremendous athlete and pretty good shooter. He like many others his size thinks he is a guard though. If we are looking for a bruising rebounder.. Then this is not that type of kid.. Alot of people I speak to question his drive for the game.. You can't turn away potential kids like this though.... That being said he completely earned his ranking by having a 2 month hot AAU stretch and I keep saying something isn't right that he hasn't played in 5 months with a wrist injury .
Thanks happy. More of moe Harkless or JaKarr Sampson? And don't cop out and say combination of the two :p
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Has anyone here seen Jermaine play in person? Just trying to get a feel for his game other than his highlights. His iq and playmaking ability etc..
I'd appreciate any info.
Yes. Tremendous athlete and pretty good shooter. He like many others his size thinks he is a guard though. If we are looking for a bruising rebounder.. Then this is not that type of kid.. Alot of people I speak to question his drive for the game.. You can't turn away potential kids like this though.... That being said he completely earned his ranking by having a 2 month hot AAU stretch and I keep saying something isn't right that he hasn't played in 5 months with a wrist injury .
Thanks happy. More of moe Harkless or JaKarr Sampson? And don't cop out and say combination of the two :p
Lol. I can't compare them at all honestly. Lets just say he is a better shooter than Jakarr.. And not as good as a rebounder as Moe. .. He is much more Jakarr then he is Moe. I just wish he weighed like 20 more lbs and wanted to be a mix it up inside type of player.
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Has anyone here seen Jermaine play in person? Just trying to get a feel for his game other than his highlights. His iq and playmaking ability etc..
I'd appreciate any info.
Yes. Tremendous athlete and pretty good shooter. He like many others his size thinks he is a guard though. If we are looking for a bruising rebounder.. Then this is not that type of kid.. Alot of people I speak to question his drive for the game.. You can't turn away potential kids like this though.... That being said he completely earned his ranking by having a 2 month hot AAU stretch and I keep saying something isn't right that he hasn't played in 5 months with a wrist injury .
Thanks happy. More of moe Harkless or JaKarr Sampson? And don't cop out and say combination of the two :p
Lol. I can't compare them at all honestly. Lets just say he is a better shooter than Jakarr.. And not as good as a rebounder as Moe. .. He is much more Jakarr then he is Moe. I just wish he weighed like 20 more lbs and wanted to be a mix it up inside type of player.
Too many of these kids see Durant in themselves
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Has anyone here seen Jermaine play in person? Just trying to get a feel for his game other than his highlights. His iq and playmaking ability etc..
I'd appreciate any info.
Yes. Tremendous athlete and pretty good shooter. He like many others his size thinks he is a guard though. If we are looking for a bruising rebounder.. Then this is not that type of kid.. Alot of people I speak to question his drive for the game.. You can't turn away potential kids like this though.... That being said he completely earned his ranking by having a 2 month hot AAU stretch and I keep saying something isn't right that he hasn't played in 5 months with a wrist injury .
Thanks happy. More of moe Harkless or JaKarr Sampson? And don't cop out and say combination of the two :p
Lol. I can't compare them at all honestly. Lets just say he is a better shooter than Jakarr.. And not as good as a rebounder as Moe. .. He is much more Jakarr then he is Moe. I just wish he weighed like 20 more lbs and wanted to be a mix it up inside type of player.
Too many of these kids see Durant in themselves
In this case for sure.
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Has anyone here seen Jermaine play in person? Just trying to get a feel for his game other than his highlights. His iq and playmaking ability etc..
I'd appreciate any info.
Yes. Tremendous athlete and pretty good shooter. He like many others his size thinks he is a guard though. If we are looking for a bruising rebounder.. Then this is not that type of kid.. Alot of people I speak to question his drive for the game.. You can't turn away potential kids like this though.... That being said he completely earned his ranking by having a 2 month hot AAU stretch and I keep saying something isn't right that he hasn't played in 5 months with a wrist injury .
Thanks happy. More of moe Harkless or JaKarr Sampson? And don't cop out and say combination of the two :p
Lol. I can't compare them at all honestly. Lets just say he is a better shooter than Jakarr.. And not as good as a rebounder as Moe. .. He is much more Jakarr then he is Moe. I just wish he weighed like 20 more lbs and wanted to be a mix it up inside type of player.
Too many of these kids see Durant in themselves
In this case for sure.
Well lets hope he rebounds like Durant did in college
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Has anyone here seen Jermaine play in person? Just trying to get a feel for his game other than his highlights. His iq and playmaking ability etc..
I'd appreciate any info.
Yes. Tremendous athlete and pretty good shooter. He like many others his size thinks he is a guard though. If we are looking for a bruising rebounder.. Then this is not that type of kid.. Alot of people I speak to question his drive for the game.. You can't turn away potential kids like this though.... That being said he completely earned his ranking by having a 2 month hot AAU stretch and I keep saying something isn't right that he hasn't played in 5 months with a wrist injury .
Thanks happy. More of moe Harkless or JaKarr Sampson? And don't cop out and say combination of the two :p
Lol. I can't compare them at all honestly. Lets just say he is a better shooter than Jakarr.. And not as good as a rebounder as Moe. .. He is much more Jakarr then he is Moe. I just wish he weighed like 20 more lbs and wanted to be a mix it up inside type of player.
I hear ya. We need some beef for sure. Lets hope JaKarr and Chris add on some muscle this off season.
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Regardless, we need this kid. Skilled 6'10 kids don't grow on trees. Lawrence next to Jakarr will be very, veery hard to guard in the Big East. Lawrence is frankly far more of a wing than Pointer and Amir and has offensive skills that those kids don't have, which is what we need. We will have an improved Obekpa as well as Gift next year who can score inside better than some might remember.
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Just to get ahead of ourselves...1) Branch, 2) D'Lo, 3) Sampson/Lawrence 4) Sampson/Lawrence 5) Obekpa. Would be pretty nice if all goes as planned. Being as it is St. John's we're talking about, it's not likely to go as planned lol
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Just to get ahead of ourselves...1) Branch, 2) D'Lo, 3) Sampson/Lawrence 4) Sampson/Lawrence 5) Obekpa. Would be pretty nice if all goes as planned. Being as it is St. John's we're talking about, it's not likely to go as planned lol
With that lineup and gift Amir Dom Greene Felix off bench, no more excuses. Dangelo leaving really changes things
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Just to get ahead of ourselves...1) Branch, 2) D'Lo, 3) Sampson/Lawrence 4) Sampson/Lawrence 5) Obekpa. Would be pretty nice if all goes as planned. Being as it is St. John's we're talking about, it's not likely to go as planned lol
With that lineup and gift Amir Dom Greene Felix off bench, no more excuses. Dangelo leaving really changes things
Who rebounds on that team?
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Just to get ahead of ourselves...1) Branch, 2) D'Lo, 3) Sampson/Lawrence 4) Sampson/Lawrence 5) Obekpa. Would be pretty nice if all goes as planned. Being as it is St. John's we're talking about, it's not likely to go as planned lol
With that lineup and gift Amir Dom Greene Felix off bench, no more excuses. Dangelo leaving really changes things
Who rebounds on that team?
What, 4-5 players 6'8" to 6'10" not enough? Our guys have boarded much better since the Nova game. We can board. It's about desire and that is all. Jakarr can board. So can jermaine, Gift and Obekpa is getting there... I don't think boarding will be the biggest issue. Even this season, we could be a lot better on the boards than we are.
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Just to get ahead of ourselves...1) Branch, 2) D'Lo, 3) Sampson/Lawrence 4) Sampson/Lawrence 5) Obekpa. Would be pretty nice if all goes as planned. Being as it is St. John's we're talking about, it's not likely to go as planned lol
With that lineup and gift Amir Dom Greene Felix off bench, no more excuses. Dangelo leaving really changes things
Who rebounds on that team?
Gift plays 20 mpg. Obekpa and jakarr improve in offseason after learning the hard way
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Just to get ahead of ourselves...1) Branch, 2) D'Lo, 3) Sampson/Lawrence 4) Sampson/Lawrence 5) Obekpa. Would be pretty nice if all goes as planned. Being as it is St. John's we're talking about, it's not likely to go as planned lol
With that lineup and gift Amir Dom Greene Felix off bench, no more excuses. Dangelo leaving really changes things
Who rebounds on that team?
What, 4-5 players 6'8" to 6'10" not enough? Our guys have boarded much better since the Nova game. We can board. It's about desire and that is all. Jakarr can board. So can jermaine, Gift and Obekpa is getting there... I don't think boarding will be the biggest issue. Even this season, we could be a lot better on the boards than we are.
Absolutely. It's about being in position and effort. Staff has to stress it
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Just to get ahead of ourselves...1) Branch, 2) D'Lo, 3) Sampson/Lawrence 4) Sampson/Lawrence 5) Obekpa. Would be pretty nice if all goes as planned. Being as it is St. John's we're talking about, it's not likely to go as planned lol
With that lineup and gift Amir Dom Greene Felix off bench, no more excuses. Dangelo leaving really changes things
Who rebounds on that team?
What, 4-5 players 6'8" to 6'10" not enough? Our guys have boarded much better since the Nova game. We can board. It's about desire and that is all. Jakarr can board. So can jermaine, Gift and Obekpa is getting there... I don't think boarding will be the biggest issue. Even this season, we could be a lot better on the boards than we are.
We rebound better? Maybe so but we get slaughtered every game in that department. We had 1 offensive rebound in a half of basketball against Georgetown. Who cares how tall our team is.. Those tall players are all rail thin and the desire to rebound is even worse. Hopefully that changes with a year of weights and better coaching..
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Just to get ahead of ourselves...1) Branch, 2) D'Lo, 3) Sampson/Lawrence 4) Sampson/Lawrence 5) Obekpa. Would be pretty nice if all goes as planned. Being as it is St. John's we're talking about, it's not likely to go as planned lol
With that lineup and gift Amir Dom Greene Felix off bench, no more excuses. Dangelo leaving really changes things
Who rebounds on that team?
What, 4-5 players 6'8" to 6'10" not enough? Our guys have boarded much better since the Nova game. We can board. It's about desire and that is all. Jakarr can board. So can jermaine, Gift and Obekpa is getting there... I don't think boarding will be the biggest issue. Even this season, we could be a lot better on the boards than we are.
We rebound better? Maybe so but we get slaughtered every game in that department. We had 1 offensive rebound in a half of basketball against Georgetown. Who cares how tall our team is.. Those tall players are all rail thin and the desire to rebound is even worse. Hopefully that changes with a year of weights and better coaching..
Jakarr and Lawrence (assuming we get him) need to lift weights and beef up.
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Just to get ahead of ourselves...1) Branch, 2) D'Lo, 3) Sampson/Lawrence 4) Sampson/Lawrence 5) Obekpa. Would be pretty nice if all goes as planned. Being as it is St. John's we're talking about, it's not likely to go as planned lol
With that lineup and gift Amir Dom Greene Felix off bench, no more excuses. Dangelo leaving really changes things
Who rebounds on that team?
Gift plays 20 mpg. Obekpa and jakarr improve in offseason after learning the hard way
Gift isn't playing 20 mpg next year. Seriously, this notion that Gift is a difference maker is absurd. He's a safety net for a team that is expected to be top 20 next season. It'd be a shame to not advance because of an injury or foul trouble up front. That is what Gift was redshirted to prevent. 8-12 solid hard hat-wearing minutes and I am a happy guy.
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Just to get ahead of ourselves...1) Branch, 2) D'Lo, 3) Sampson/Lawrence 4) Sampson/Lawrence 5) Obekpa. Would be pretty nice if all goes as planned. Being as it is St. John's we're talking about, it's not likely to go as planned lol
With that lineup and gift Amir Dom Greene Felix off bench, no more excuses. Dangelo leaving really changes things
Who rebounds on that team?
Gift plays 20 mpg. Obekpa and jakarr improve in offseason after learning the hard way
Gift isn't playing 20 mpg next year. Seriously, this notion that Gift is a difference maker is absurd. He's a safety net for a team that is expected to be top 20 next season. It'd be a shame to not advance because of an injury or foul trouble up front. That is what Gift was redshirted to prevent. 8-12 solid hard hat-wearing minutes and I am a happy guy.
He's a backup big guy who fills an important need on this team especially against certain opponents. Maybe 20 min is too much court time but he will play out of necessity. If he rebounds and plays good post d he will take minutes from Amir and Dom
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Why aren't we throwing a Ship at PF DJ Coleman he's only the 3rd Best player in NY?
Could take Chris Jones minutes????
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Why aren't we throwing a Ship at PF DJ Coleman he's only the 3rd Best player in NY?
Could take Chris Jones minutes????
Who is DJ Coleman ?
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Just to get ahead of ourselves...1) Branch, 2) D'Lo, 3) Sampson/Lawrence 4) Sampson/Lawrence 5) Obekpa. Would be pretty nice if all goes as planned. Being as it is St. John's we're talking about, it's not likely to go as planned lol
With that lineup and gift Amir Dom Greene Felix off bench, no more excuses. Dangelo leaving really changes things
Who rebounds on that team?
Overlooked in our strugggles - Obekpa's first 8 games he averaged 4.5 rebs per game. His last 8 games, he's averaged 8.0. Jakarr started out good at 6.5 rebs per game in his first 7. The last 9 games that's up to 7.8. BOTH are going to be bigger AND stronger as sophs than as frosh. Amir and Gift will both be 5-6 board guys WITHOUT improvement - which likely WILL come. And we WILL add a big in the spring, if Sanchez is truly gone.
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So is Jermaine basically a done deal? There have been times on the board where someone guarantees a player and we don't get them, so I don't want to get my hopes up too high.
While I would be extremely excited to get a player of his caliber, is Jermaine really all that different, playing style wise, than our other players? Also if he is in the fold is he capable of coming in right away, and being a 1b to Harrison's 1a on the offensive end??
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Just to get ahead of ourselves...1) Branch, 2) D'Lo, 3) Sampson/Lawrence 4) Sampson/Lawrence 5) Obekpa. Would be pretty nice if all goes as planned. Being as it is St. John's we're talking about, it's not likely to go as planned lol
With that lineup and gift Amir Dom Greene Felix off bench, no more excuses. Dangelo leaving really changes things
Who rebounds on that team?
Overlooked in our strugggles - Obekpa's first 8 games he averaged 4.5 rebs per game. His last 8 games, he's averaged 8.0. Jakarr started out good at 6.5 rebs per game in his first 7. The last 9 games that's up to 7.8. BOTH are going to be bigger AND stronger as sophs than as frosh. Amir and Gift will both be 5-6 board guys WITHOUT improvement - which likely WILL come. And we WILL add a big in the spring, if Sanchez is truly gone.
Real good stat on the rebounding CR. Obekpa has really done well boarding in BE play, still can block out better on D but the numbers are there. It seems like he's making a concerted effort that wasn't there in the beginning of the year.
Moose...re post earlier i dont want to ruin this Lawrence thread with back and forth so we can agree to disagree. I had no idea you were stating your case for Gift red shirting the whole time. Im on the boards a lot but always skim a lot of posts and the names get lost with their opinions. Plus after going to Sat GT game i guess i wanted to vent.
Great news if true on Lawrence. SJU79 has always been a great source on this board for info. I remember the Sampson and i think Harrison posts before they announced on ESPNU. It's always appreciated on the news, hopefully he doesn't change his mind like Kyle did between August and his announcement (just kidding).
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Great news if it comes to fruition but the kid better 110% be qualified
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So what you guys are saying is that Jermaine will start in place of Garrett, and we'll have Gift on the bench, and those two changes plus the assumed growth of our current players will make this a ranked team next year?
Pretty much the exact same thing was said last year. "oh, we'll have so much depth", "Obekpa and Sampson will make us much stronger on the boards", "we'll finally have a real pg in Branch"
And my personal favorite " all the experience these freshmen are getting will make them that much better as sophs".
I don't see it. We'll experience incremental improvement. Expecting more is unrealistic when we're this bad right now.
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So what you guys are saying is that Jermaine will start in place of Garrett, and we'll have Gift on the bench, and those two changes plus the assumed growth of our current players will make this a ranked team next year?
If he can shoot and score, yes. Could make a world of difference. Plus hes 6'9
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Jermaine Lawrence @mainestory watching St.Johns
Glad he's watching this one...
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Now he's watching Cincy.
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Now he's watching Cincy.
Would have really liked him to be watching from behind the bench. Might have moved him to commit on the spot.
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Now he's watching Cincy.
Would have really liked him to be watching from behind the bench. Might have moved him to commit on the spot.
I think we are going to get him regardless. He can see the direction we are going and how he can help us and himself. We might have Big East ROY two years in a row with Sampson this year. Make it 3 with Lawrence next year?
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Now he's watching Cincy.
Would have really liked him to be watching from behind the bench. Might have moved him to commit on the spot.
I think we are going to get him regardless. He can see the direction we are going and how he can help us and himself. We might have Big East ROY two years in a row with Sampson this year. Make it 3 with Lawrence next year?
From your mouth to Jermaine's ears (and Mom's as well).
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Hopefully Jermaine follows Chris Obekpa's lead and spurns Cincy to suit up for the Johnnies.
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Hopefully Jermaine follows Chris Obekpa's lead and spurns Cincy to suit up for the Johnnies.
How much our freshman and sophs improve over the course of the next month probably will have a lot to do with Lawrence's choice.
We won 5 BE last season. I think we need 8, and BE tourney win to show clear improvement.
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Hopefully Jermaine follows Chris Obekpa's lead and spurns Cincy to suit up for the Johnnies.
How much our freshman and sophs improve over the course of the next month probably will have a lot to do with Lawrence's choice.
We won 5 BE last season. I think we need 8, and BE tourney win to show clear improvement.
Do you think of Harkless going in the first round and Sampson possibly also going if not this year, next year as important? After all the ultimate goal is the NBA for these kids.
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NBA is very important, IMO and a selling point of the staff from what I've read.
Harkless went because of his upside and skill-set. That got him picked in the first round. If the first round was questionable, he would have returned I believe. Jakar does not have the skill-set, IMO, to be drafted at this point.
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NBA is very important, IMO and a selling point of the staff from what I've read.
Harkless went because of his upside and skill-set. That got him picked in the first round. If the first round was questionable, he would have returned I believe. Jakar does not have the skill-set, IMO, to be drafted at this point.
Jakarr might not have the skill set yet, but he has the potential and likely will win rookie of the year in the big east. Recruits will certainly take notice if we have the R.O.Y. Two years in a row. In addition, Lawrence's family apparently loves Lavin and co. and the kid is from the area. I think he will choose us for quite a few reasons. He would do very well here in this system.
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EvanDanielsFOX Jermaine Lawrence is expected to visit St. John's this weekend. Shortly after he'll meet with his family and come to a decision.
Lock him up, Coach!
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I think he will choose us for quite a few reasons. He would do very well here in this system.
Can you please share with us what is the system we are supposedly playing right now..?
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EvanDanielsFOX Jermaine Lawrence is expected to visit St. John's this weekend. Shortly after he'll meet with his family and come to a decision.
Lock him up, Coach!
How is he visiting if we're in Chicago this weekend pplaying DePaul? Regardless,I like how he"'ll announce after a SJU unofficial. Seems like he already knows where he wants to go if he's prepared to announce. Maybe just an unofficial to give us the good news? Hopefully.. A, B, C Lavs...
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EvanDanielsFOX Jermaine Lawrence is expected to visit St. John's this weekend. Shortly after he'll meet with his family and come to a decision.
Lock him up, Coach!
this is so weird given that we're away this weekend. guess it's a saturday evening, sunday thing?
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I think he will choose us for quite a few reasons. He would do very well here in this system.
Can you please share with us what is the system we are supposedly playing right now..?
Fast paced offense. Lots of long, athletic players. Pressure defense. Can showcase his length and athleticism like Moe and Jakkar have here. Motion offense that allows him freedom to create with the ball. Not sure what your point is Pirate fan?
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when was the last time we had a commit from a 5-star recruit?
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when was the last time we had a commit from a 5-star recruit?
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Norvel-Pelle-99419 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Norvel-Pelle-99419)
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when was the last time we had a commit from a 5-star recruit?
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Norvel-Pelle-99419 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Norvel-Pelle-99419)
I just laughed. Look at the page. SOLID VERBAL to Iona
hahahahaha
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Team will get back from DePaul late Saturday afternoon or evening and Lawrence's visit if unofficial so he'll likely be visiting Saturday night into/or Sunday.
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I think he will choose us for quite a few reasons. He would do very well here in this system.
Can you please share with us what is the system we are supposedly playing right now..?
+1
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Team will get back from DePaul late Saturday afternoon or evening and Lawrence's visit if unofficial so he'll likely be visiting Saturday night into/or Sunday.
Agree on the team getting back. Thinking 7pm. But also thought the visit was official.
Monday is MLK day so no classes so he can stretch into Monday.
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Team will get back from DePaul late Saturday afternoon or evening and Lawrence's visit if unofficial so he'll likely be visiting Saturday night into/or Sunday.
Game ends at about 2. No way they get to the airport before 3 what with post game pressers and the like. It's a 2 hour flight so figure they're back on campus by 5 the earliest 6 more likely.
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Sunday makes sense.
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Not based on his season obviously. Happy we are getting him.
“@AdamZagoria: 6-10 @mainestory of @PopeJohnLions has been nominated for the McDonald's All-American Game. Considering #stjbb, cincy and UNLV.”
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maybe it's dinner and a movie saturday night? :-)
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MCNPA - we are not playing anything remotely looking like face paced attack right now. Unless of course you call dribbling around in circles and taking a lot of forced shots a good offensive system.
What you described is what Coach Lavin might like to play but certianly he is not right now.
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Wonder if he will play? injury status?
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Smart money on Johnnies;
“@ReggieRankin:
Springfield Gardens (N.Y.) Pope John XXIII | PF | 6-9/190 | ESPN 60 Rank: No. 19
Last week's BlueChipBattles rank: Unranked
Who wants him? St. John's, Cincinnati and UNLV.
Front-runner: The smart money should be on St. John's as Steve Lavin has been hard to beat for recruits in his backyard recently.
Dark Horse: Cincinnati isn't the hometown choice nor does it have the glitz and glamor of Las Vegas, but it's done a better job recruiting him than anyone in the country.
@FinkelsteinNERR with the buzz: Lawrence confirmed his final three schools while also weighing some of the biggest selling points of each option to ESPN recently. Meanwhile, he is hoping to make his season debut on the court after suffering an injury over the summer.
Best fit: He's a high-level athlete who could find a role in any system but what sets him apart, when healthy, is the improved skill set to score the ball from all three ranges. In order to be best utilized at the next level, he'll work mismatches by posting up, playing off the high post and shooting 3s.
Lawrence on his recruitment: "I'm going to take an official to St. John's soon. Then, after the visit, we'll take a little time to sit down and see what each school has to offer. We'll go from there."
RecruitingNation ranks Lawrence's recruitment as the No. 10 battle in the country. Tweet us your opinion using the hashtag #BlueChipBattles @RecruitingESPN.
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Wonder if he will play? injury status?
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So visits STJ. Baruch is on the way back to NJ from Queens for Monday night 6 pm game..........
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Team will get back from DePaul late Saturday afternoon or evening and Lawrence's visit if unofficial so he'll likely be visiting Saturday night into/or Sunday.
Bingo. Game is at Noon EST on Saturday 11 AM Chicago time. Games gets over around 1 PM local, 2 PM NY time. Catch a flight out late afternoon and meet him Saturday night.
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Team will get back from DePaul late Saturday afternoon or evening and Lawrence's visit if unofficial so he'll likely be visiting Saturday night into/or Sunday.
Agree on the team getting back. Thinking 7pm. But also thought the visit was official.
Monday is MLK day so no classes so he can stretch into Monday.
Another good point. Holiday weekend, 48 hour official can stretch into Monday if necessary.
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Team will get back from DePaul late Saturday afternoon or evening and Lawrence's visit if unofficial so he'll likely be visiting Saturday night into/or Sunday.
Game ends at about 2. No way they get to the airport before 3 what with post game pressers and the like. It's a 2 hour flight so figure they're back on campus by 5 the earliest 6 more likely.
They also gain an hour changing time zones.
That's why when i'm just about to die I want to fly out to the west coast so I gain 3 hrs on my life. Since it is about a 5 1/2 hour flight I figure i'll croak somewhere over Iowa. ???
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Team will get back from DePaul late Saturday afternoon or evening and Lawrence's visit if unofficial so he'll likely be visiting Saturday night into/or Sunday.
Game ends at about 2. No way they get to the airport before 3 what with post game pressers and the like. It's a 2 hour flight so figure they're back on campus by 5 the earliest 6 more likely.
They also gain an hour changing time zones.
That's why when i'm just about to die I want to fly out to the west coast so I gain 3 hrs on my life. Since it is about a 5 1/2 hour flight I figure i'll croak somewhere over Iowa. ???
Over the Rocky's ;)
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Its been said over the past week or two that hes only going to visit us unofficially.
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Its been said over the past week or two that hes only going to visit us unofficially.
Bout 6 posts up.
Lawrence on his recruitment: "I'm going to take an official to St. John's soon. Then, after the visit, we'll take a little time to sit down and see what each school has to offer. We'll go from there."
I think your confusing it. He said he has visited before unofficially a number of times and was looking forward to 'official'. Thats what I recall.
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Its been said over the past week or two that hes only going to visit us unofficially.
Bout 6 posts up.
Lawrence on his recruitment: "I'm going to take an official to St. John's soon. Then, after the visit, we'll take a little time to sit down and see what each school has to offer. We'll go from there."
I think your confusing it. He said he has visited before unofficially a number of times and was looking forward to 'official'. Thats what I recall.
That quote could have been from a while ago. Paultz posted this a couple pages back:
“@NYPost_Brazille: Told Jermaine Lawrence will take an unofficial to St. John's at end of month and make a decision shortly afterwards (1)”
“@NYPost_Brazille: Lawrence doesn't need an official b/c he lives so close. Also, will make a decision shortly after, likely in early February. (2)”
“@NYPost_Brazille: Also, sources say, no leader, for Jermaine Lawrence, but St. John's does have an "advantage" because it it so close by.”
“@NYPost_Brazille: Of three schools left -- CIncy, St. John's and UNLV -- St. John's was first school to recruit Lawrence, which means a lot to family. #stjbb”
Looking good."
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Its been said over the past week or two that hes only going to visit us unofficially.
Bout 6 posts up.
Lawrence on his recruitment: "I'm going to take an official to St. John's soon. Then, after the visit, we'll take a little time to sit down and see what each school has to offer. We'll go from there."
I think your confusing it. He said he has visited before unofficially a number of times and was looking forward to 'official'. Thats what I recall.
That quote could have been from a while ago. Paultz posted this a couple pages back:
“@NYPost_Brazille: Told Jermaine Lawrence will take an unofficial to St. John's at end of month and make a decision shortly afterwards (1)”
“@NYPost_Brazille: Lawrence doesn't need an official b/c he lives so close. Also, will make a decision shortly after, likely in early February. (2)”
“@NYPost_Brazille: Also, sources say, no leader, for Jermaine Lawrence, but St. John's does have an "advantage" because it it so close by.”
“@NYPost_Brazille: Of three schools left -- CIncy, St. John's and UNLV -- St. John's was first school to recruit Lawrence, which means a lot to family. #stjbb”
Looking good."
Yeah I remember those. There was something from Jermaine directly. Maybe Zags story. Oh well. We'll see.
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MCNPA - we are not playing anything remotely looking like face paced attack right now. Unless of course you call dribbling around in circles and taking a lot of forced shots a good offensive system.
What you described is what Coach Lavin might like to play but certianly he is not right now.
We attacked against Notre dame and ran when we had the opportunity. We also had great spacing and passing for shots. You obviously should see that just because we have had times our offense has stalled doesn't mean that it the system we run. Its starting to look better now with Branch at PG.
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A quote from Eric Bossi in the rivals forums when asked if St. John's was in the lead for Lawrence:
"I think the feeling for a while has been that he would end up at St. John's and at least that's what has been out there for some time. Wouldn't be surprised if it is done sooner than later. Like within next 1-2 weeks, if it goes longer than that I'd be surprised."
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Lawrence Expected to Visit St. John’s This Weekend
January 17th, 2013 5:07 pm
Jermaine Lawrence is expected to visit St. John’s this weekend although he is still awaiting confirmation from the staff, sources confirmed to SNY.tv.
The news was first reported by Evan Daniels of Scout com.
St. John’s plays at DePaul at 11 a.m. Saturday, but the Johnnies would be back in New York after that. Monday is a holiday and Lawrence could theoretically stay through part of that day.
The 6-foot-10 Lawrence told SNY.tv last Saturday that he would visit St. John’s sometime soon and then decide soon thereafter.
“St. John’s is close by home, the coaching staff is cool,” he said. “I like their style of play. They get up and down and their power forwards have freedom.”
St. John’s head coach Steve Lavin is a strong closer and he will have the last visit after Lawrence already took officials to Cincinnati and UNLV.
As he does with all recruits, Lavin will emphasize his staff’s ability to get players to the NBA (Moe Harkless); the fact that St. John’s plays games at Madison Square Garden and in New York; and their up-tempo, attacking style of play.
St. John’s has JaKarr Sampson, Chris Obekpa and Christian Jones in the frontcourt, while Orlando Sanchez is not expected to play this season after being ruled ineligible by the NCAA.
Whether or not one of those players leaves after this season, Lawrence could contribute in the paint, in transition and as a perimeter shooter.
On Thursday he was nominated for the McDonald’s All-American Game, but he has yet to play this season because of a hand injury and is not expected to play Monday night when Pope John XXIII plays in the Big Apple Invitational at Baruch College.
“It’s been hard,” Lawrence told SNY.tv Saturday.
“I’ve been sitting out since September. It’s been real nerve-racking not knowing what’s going to happen, but it’s been good to watch my team really compete against highly-rated teams.”
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Just confirmed by a REALLY strong connection what I wrote earlier....Done deal
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Just confirmed by a REALLY strong connection what I wrote earlier....Done deal
Great news. As always thanks for the info '79
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Just confirmed by a REALLY strong connection what I wrote earlier....Done deal
Nice!
And good to see you around '79
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Just confirmed by a REALLY strong connection what I wrote earlier....Done deal
Nice!
And good to see you around '79
Whoo hoo!! Thanks for that terrific news!! I'll take a front line of Jakarr, Obekpa and Lawrence against any big team in the country.
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Great news... ToP 25 kid and possibly Lavin's first McD's AA at SJU. Would make a big splash.
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I trust SJU79! Always brings great information to the table.
Thanks for information! I hope this visit is more a celebration of commiting more than anything.
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Huge news.
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Awesome. Hopefully he commits during his visit
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I think he has a birthday early Feb...........
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Evan Daniels says that he isn't visiting this weekend on Twitter.
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Great news, But like Moose says, when he signs his LOI, is cleared by the NCAA, and is injury free, Ill pop the champagn.
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I think he has a birthday early Feb...........
Bingo!
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Would be a FANTASTIC get!! I don't think he gets the McDonalds nod after sitting out almost the entire year, but we'll see. Hopefully the kid returns strong and in good shape unlike the OTHER Lawrence that came to SJU a few years ago who suffered an injury in HS and was never the same (Omari).
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SJU 79, thanks a lot!
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1) Lawrence will sign with St Johns
2) Some within the program are trying to convince Lavin to stop recruiting "athletes" and start recruiting basketball players will specific skill sets.
3) If Harrison , Sampson or Obekpa have their sights on the NBA next yr they need to have their head exaimaned.....
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“@AdamZagoria: #stjbb still has inside track for @mainestory, sources tell @SNYtv. Queens native cd stay home for school if he chose them over Cincy & UNLV”
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1) Lawrence will sign with St Johns
2) Some within the program are trying to convince Lavin to stop recruiting "athletes" and start recruiting basketball players will specific skill sets.
3) If Harrison , Sampson or Obekpa have their sights on the NBA next yr they need to have their head exaimaned.....
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So does the staff seem to think that all 3 of those guys will be back??
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Bam! Great freakin news.
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I think he has a birthday early Feb...........
Yes. I believe Feb 3 ;)
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Wow if true this is really good news. I'm drooling over the prospect of an Obekpa-Lawerence- Sampson front court. So much athleticism. If he becomes an McDonald's all american that would be cool too. Who was our last all-american?
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Wow if true this is really good news. I'm drooling over the prospect of an Obekpa-Lawerence- Sampson front court. So much athleticism. If he becomes an McDonald's all american that would be cool too. Who was our last all-american?
http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2011/8/10/2355814/elijah-ingram-st-johns-a-reminder-of-darker-days-mcdonalds-all-american (http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2011/8/10/2355814/elijah-ingram-st-johns-a-reminder-of-darker-days-mcdonalds-all-american)
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Wow if true this is really good news. I'm drooling over the prospect of an Obekpa-Lawerence- Sampson front court. So much athleticism. If he becomes an McDonald's all american that would be cool too. Who was our last all-american?
http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2011/8/10/2355814/elijah-ingram-st-johns-a-reminder-of-darker-days-mcdonalds-all-american (http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2011/8/10/2355814/elijah-ingram-st-johns-a-reminder-of-darker-days-mcdonalds-all-american)
Ingram making an all-American team hadda be a favor to coach Hurley. At no time did he look like a BE player. Another thing, a real AA woulda paid the hooker. That says a lot about the guy. Kieta was involved in the Pitt. thing. What a creep he was. Hard to believe he was getting paid. Monty escaped getting thrown out. He was not as involved as the others, and was not a bad kid. Was he our best big man since CO?
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Wow if true this is really good news. I'm drooling over the prospect of an Obekpa-Lawerence- Sampson front court. So much athleticism. If he becomes an McDonald's all american that would be cool too. Who was our last all-american?
http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2011/8/10/2355814/elijah-ingram-st-johns-a-reminder-of-darker-days-mcdonalds-all-american (http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2011/8/10/2355814/elijah-ingram-st-johns-a-reminder-of-darker-days-mcdonalds-all-american)
Ingram making an all-American team hadda be a favor to coach Hurley. At no time did he look like a BE player. Another thing, a real AA woulda paid the hooker. That says a lot about the guy. Kieta was involved in the Pitt. thing. What a creep he was. Hard to believe he was getting paid. Monty escaped getting thrown out. He was not as involved as the others, and was not a bad kid. Was he our best big man since CO?
You don't think Ingram was a BE player? What does that make Phil Greene?
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Wow if true this is really good news. I'm drooling over the prospect of an Obekpa-Lawerence- Sampson front court. So much athleticism. If he becomes an McDonald's all american that would be cool too. Who was our last all-american?
http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2011/8/10/2355814/elijah-ingram-st-jhns-a-reminder-of-darker-days-mcdonalds-all-american (http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2011/8/10/2355814/elijah-ingram-st-johns-a-reminder-of-darker-days-mcdonalds-all-american)
Ingram making an all-American team hadda be a favor to coach Hurley. At no time did he look like a BE player. Another thing, a real AA woulda paid the hooker. That says a lot about the guy. Kieta was involved in the Pitt. thing. What a creep he was. Hard to believe he was getting paid. Monty escaped getting thrown out. He was not as involved as the others, and was not a bad kid. Was he our best big man since CO?
You don't think Ingram was a BE player? What does that make Phil Greene?
I like Phil Greene as a player a lot. I like him better than Ingram. I just think Phil is much better as a combo/SG. He can score and does a lot of things well. Solid player, especially for a soph.
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Wow if true this is really good news. I'm drooling over the prospect of an Obekpa-Lawerence- Sampson front court. So much athleticism. If he becomes an McDonald's all american that would be cool too. Who was our last all-american?
http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2011/8/10/2355814/elijah-ingram-st-johns-a-reminder-of-darker-days-mcdonalds-all-american (http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2011/8/10/2355814/elijah-ingram-st-johns-a-reminder-of-darker-days-mcdonalds-all-american)
Ingram making an all-American team hadda be a favor to coach Hurley. At no time did he look like a BE player. Another thing, a real AA woulda paid the hooker. That says a lot about the guy. Kieta was involved in the Pitt. thing. What a creep he was. Hard to believe he was getting paid. Monty escaped getting thrown out. He was not as involved as the others, and was not a bad kid. Was he our best big man since CO?
You don't think Ingram was a BE player? What does that make Phil Greene?
I think Phil brings more to the team then Ingram. IE did have one game where he brought us back from the dead at Georgetown. I would say had to be one of the hardest loses for them to take ever. We were down almost 20 in the last few minutes and Ingram kept shot putting it up and in from the corner. You can differ then me on the ability of the players, but the idea of IE being an AA was way off.
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I honestly have no idea where Lawrence is going... And I know 79 has solid info all the time ... But gossip going around is that this is not a done deal and a certain website writer is getting some bad info .. What I'm hearing is that he is torn between Cincy and us and that's it. Hope 79 is right and we shall know soon .
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I honestly have no idea where Lawrence is going... And I know 79 has solid info all the time ... But gossip going around is that this is not a done deal and a certain website writer is getting some bad info .. What I'm hearing is that he is torn between Cincy and us and that's it. Hope 79 is right and we shall know soon .
Isn't he visiting this weekend? If we are at DePaul, when does the visit start?
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I honestly have no idea where Lawrence is going... And I know 79 has solid info all the time ... But gossip going around is that this is not a done deal and a certain website writer is getting some bad info .. What I'm hearing is that he is torn between Cincy and us and that's it. Hope 79 is right and we shall know soon .
I can't see why anybody would choose Cincy over SJU at this point, nonetheless a local star like Lawrence. SJU's trajectory is a good one. Cincy loses some key players including an important one in Cashmere Wright and will be playing schools like Tulane, UCD, USF, SMU all the time. Lawrence could be a piece of something special here at home. Hope 79 is right,
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I honestly have no idea where Lawrence is going... And I know 79 has solid info all the time ... But gossip going around is that this is not a done deal and a certain website writer is getting some bad info .. What I'm hearing is that he is torn between Cincy and us and that's it. Hope 79 is right and we shall know soon .
I can't see why anybody would choose Cincy over SJU at this point, nonetheless a local star like Lawrence. SJU's trajectory is a good one. Cincy loses some key players including an important one in Cashmere Wright and will be playing schools like Tulane, UCD, USF, SMU all the time. Lawrence could be a piece of something special here at home. Hope 79 is right,
Something is horribly wrong if a New Yorker is going to Cincinnati. Who would make that choice?
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Great news, But like Moose says, when he signs his LOI, is cleared by the NCAA, and is injury free, Ill pop the champagn.
Do you have to wait until all of this is done before you put the e in champagne? :laugh:
In 79 we trust.
We are going to be a joy to behold next year.
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Fran's mini-me would crawl up the as$ of a rhino, and live there, if it meant signing JL. I do believe Lav beats him(again) for an elite kid.
We can get there, but it's Steve thats the draw, not staying home anymore.
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Fran's mini-me would crawl up the as$ of a rhino, and live there, if it meant signing JL. I do believe Lav beats him(again) for an elite kid.
We can get there, but it's Steve thats the draw, not staying home anymore.
Savino comment made me spit out my drink lol
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Cincinnati is not the same program next year nor is the Cincinnati schedule within 2 years. Don't think Lawrence is a one and done so he would be playing in the new A10. I really don't think this is a battle between STJ and Cincinnati for JL.
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Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille
Told Jermaine Lawrence was cleared by doctors for full contact no restrictions return to court soon He's down to St. John's, Cincy and UNLV.
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Soo.. did he visit this weekend??
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Soo.. did he visit this weekend??
No it was said it was postponed.
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Soo.. did he visit this weekend??
No it was said it was postponed.
Doomed
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Is it true that he won't be playing this season?
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Is it true that he won't be playing this season?
Just heard that, but have not seen anything official.
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Is it true that he won't be playing this season?
Just heard that, but have not seen anything official.
I don't see this as a big deal as long as he can play after high school season just to shake off rust.
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Is it true that he won't be playing this season?
On the last page there was a tweet that he was cleared. Something change in the last 24 hours?
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Is it true that he won't be playing this season?
On the last page there was a tweet that he was cleared. Something change in the last 24 hours?
That's what i saw
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Soo.. did he visit this weekend??
Isnt his team playing tonight at Baruch?
No it was said it was postponed.
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This is a joke
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This is a joke
I am at the age where I don't always get subtle hints, do you mind explaining what you mean kob?
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My biggest fear is that he is not the same player after the injury and is riding his past talent to get himself in a position of power (In terms of recruiting).
If it's NO be upfront!
the Team must move forward as lavin said WE are beating ranked teams and that is more important than some kid with a hurt wrist who cannot see that he was made to be a star here! Not sayin that I don't want him just, we should handle the team we have. :up:
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My biggest fear is that he is not the same player after the injury and is riding his past talent to get himself in a position of power (In terms of recruiting).
If it's NO be upfront!
the Team must move forward as lavin said WE are beating ranked teams and that is more important than some kid with a hurt wrist who cannot see that he was made to be a star here! Not sayin that I don't want him just, we should handle the team we have. :up:
You are so awesome man.
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My biggest fear is that he is not the same player after the injury and is riding his past talent to get himself in a position of power (In terms of recruiting).
If it's NO be upfront!
the Team must move forward as lavin said WE are beating ranked teams and that is more important than some kid with a hurt wrist who cannot see that he was made to be a star here! Not sayin that I don't want him just, we should handle the team we have. :up:
Past talent? Kid only got hurt like 6 months ago? It was a wrist injury.. This is certainly a joke.
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Thought part of the job description was coaching the present team AND recruiting for the future but who knows maybe it is impossible to do both so we will just stick with the guys we have and when their eligibility runs out we will just terminate the men's basketball program. OR NOT! ::)
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“@AdamZagoria: Cincinnati coach Mick Cronin will watch @mainestory work out today in NJ. 6-10 F is considering Cincy, #Stjbb and UNLV”
Our visit?
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“@AdamZagoria: Cincinnati coach Mick Cronin will watch @mainestory work out today in NJ. 6-10 F is considering Cincy, #Stjbb and UNLV”
Our visit?
It doesn't appear we go out recruiting anymore >:(
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Is it true that he won't be playing this season?
Just heard that, but have not seen anything official.
I don't see this as a big deal as long as he can play after high school season just to shake off rust.
Quin Cook didn't play his senior year (or maybe it was very early in season that he got hurt). Doesn't look to have mattered to him as a soph, and did fine as a frosh too (but cant say it did or didnt affect him, but my guess is minimal if any).
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Is it true that he won't be playing this season?
Just heard that, but have not seen anything official.
I don't see this as a big deal as long as he can play after high school season just to shake off rust.
Quin Cook didn't play his senior year (or maybe it was very early in season that he got hurt). Doesn't look to have mattered to him as a soph, and did fine as a frosh too (but cant say it did or didnt affect him, but my guess is minimal if any).
I believe Cook missed entire season year of high school, I believe he got hurt in the Boost Mobile game in Venice CA over the summer. Cook did fine his freshman year in limited time due to the depth chart. A little easier coming back from a hand injury than a knee injury as you can at least condition.
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Correct me if I am wrong but isn't the issue here that he appears to be healthy and is being "advised" not to play for other reasons? Isn't that the concern? If so, what does this mean for our recruitment of him? Is his female adviser back running the show?
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This is a joke
After reading posts from others I think I know what you mean now.
I have heard that certain people around Jermaine don't want him to play this year at this point for fear that is ranking may slip.
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This is a joke
After reading posts from others I think I know what you mean now.
I have heard that certain people around Jermaine don't want him to play this year at this point for fear that is ranking may slip.
If he doesn't play I think his ranking slips, others will impress and move up.
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Thought part of the job description was coaching the present team AND recruiting for the future but who knows maybe it is impossible to do both so we will just stick with the guys we have and when their eligibility runs out we will just terminate the men's basketball program. OR NOT! ::)
Exactly right!
Linda/RF. how does continuing to recruit Jermaine "take away" from our current team in any way? It doesn't. You play tomorrow's game and plan for next year all at the same time. I'm unaware of any jobs were you only have to worry about the present.
I mentioned a few weeks ago I thought it was a little disconcerting that Jermaine hasn't played in so long. But we don't know what his Drs are telling him.
We need to trust coach Lavin and coach Chiles on this one. They know what to look for, and the questions to ask.
As an aside though, Cincy still worries me a lot. I know '79 said it was a done deal- but ...
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Thought part of the job description was coaching the present team AND recruiting for the future but who knows maybe it is impossible to do both so we will just stick with the guys we have and when their eligibility runs out we will just terminate the men's basketball program. OR NOT! ::)
Exactly right!
Linda/RF. how does continuing to recruit Jermaine "take away" from our current team in any way? It doesn't. You play tomorrow's game and plan for next year all at the same time. I'm unaware of any jobs were you only have to worry about the present.
I mentioned a few weeks ago I thought it was a little disconcerting that Jermaine hasn't played in so long. But we don't know what his Drs are telling him.
We need to trust coach Lavin and coach Chiles on this one. They know what to look for, and the questions to ask.
As an aside though, Cincy still worries me a lot. I know '79 said it was a done deal- but ...
Agree on Cincy. Questionable nature of his "handlers" keeps me concerned. Hopefully family opinion prevails.
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Thought part of the job description was coaching the present team AND recruiting for the future but who knows maybe it is impossible to do both so we will just stick with the guys we have and when their eligibility runs out we will just terminate the men's basketball program. OR NOT! ::)
Exactly right!
Linda/RF. how does continuing to recruit Jermaine "take away" from our current team in any way? It doesn't. You play tomorrow's game and plan for next year all at the same time. I'm unaware of any jobs were you only have to worry about the present.
I mentioned a few weeks ago I thought it was a little disconcerting that Jermaine hasn't played in so long. But we don't know what his Drs are telling him.
We need to trust coach Lavin and coach Chiles on this one. They know what to look for, and the questions to ask.
As an aside though, Cincy still worries me a lot. I know '79 said it was a done deal- but ...
Agree on Cincy. Questionable nature of his "handlers" keeps me concerned. Hopefully family opinion prevails.
How does the family not have power over the handler?
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Thought part of the job description was coaching the present team AND recruiting for the future but who knows maybe it is impossible to do both so we will just stick with the guys we have and when their eligibility runs out we will just terminate the men's basketball program. OR NOT! ::)
Exactly right!
Linda/RF. how does continuing to recruit Jermaine "take away" from our current team in any way? It doesn't. You play tomorrow's game and plan for next year all at the same time. I'm unaware of any jobs were you only have to worry about the present.
I mentioned a few weeks ago I thought it was a little disconcerting that Jermaine hasn't played in so long. But we don't know what his Drs are telling him.
We need to trust coach Lavin and coach Chiles on this one. They know what to look for, and the questions to ask.
As an aside though, Cincy still worries me a lot. I know '79 said it was a done deal- but ...
Agree on Cincy. Questionable nature of his "handlers" keeps me concerned. Hopefully family opinion prevails.
How does the family not have power over the handler?
That seemsto be the factor making this recruitment odd. According to most folks, it was the "handlers" who steered him away from Cardoza. I remain cautiously optimistic, but this has been a puzzling recruitment.
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My person is in his family circle....she said done deal. JL does come with some "unique" people around him who might want UC but it would still be shocking if he didnt end up here. FYI I never like to insinuate cash or other illegal benifits are reasons why kids chose schools, I dont think its fair without knowing for sure. That being said best story along those lines I ever heard was from a PROMINATE agent who said by the toime D Rose had finshed HS he had already recieved 630K from an agent....not Cal but an agent.
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My person is in his family circle....she said done deal. JL does come with some "unique" people around him who might want UC but it would still be shocking if he didnt end up here. FYI I never like to insinuate cash or other illegal benifits are reasons why kids chose schools, I dont think its fair without knowing for sure. That being said best story along those lines I ever heard was from a PROMINATE agent who said by the toime D Rose had finshed HS he had already recieved 630K from an agent....not Cal but an agent.
Certainly have faith in your info 79.
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By ADAM ZAGORIA & SEVE COUSINS
NEW YORK — Jermaine Lawrence didn’t play in Pope John XXIII’s 75-62 loss to Brooklyn South Shore Monday night at the Big Apple Invitational at Baruch College.
The 6-foot-10 Lawrence has yet to play in a game this season while recovering from hand surgery, but is expected to announce soon for Cincinnati, St. John’s or UNLV.
Cincinnati coach Mick Cronin is expected to watch him work out today at Pope John.
“He’s been working out in the gym a lot more than he was a few weeks ago,” Pope John coach Jason Hasson told SNY.tv. “He’s cleared to do everything but full contact at this point. I think it’s a matter of time before he’s cleared to do full contact.
“So we’re taking steps in the right direction and he is feeling a lot better than he has in the past so I think it’s only a matter of time.
“But we’re not going to play him before he’s cleared and before he’s fully healthy. We’re not going to risk his future or his career over a high school basketball game.”
Lawrence’s handler refused to allow him to be interviewed following Monday’s game, but in a recent interview he said he was frustrated by the injury.
“It’s been hard,” Lawrence told SNY.tv Jan. 12.
“I’ve been sitting out since September. It’s been real nerve-racking not knowing what’s going to happen, but it’s been good to watch my team really compete against highly-rated teams.”
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My person is in his family circle....she said done deal. JL does come with some "unique" people around him who might want UC but it would still be shocking if he didnt end up here. FYI I never like to insinuate cash or other illegal benifits are reasons why kids chose schools, I dont think its fair without knowing for sure. That being said best story along those lines I ever heard was from a PROMINATE agent who said by the toime D Rose had finshed HS he had already recieved 630K from an agent....not Cal but an agent.
Good stuff '79. Thanks as always.
Hopefully it's true JL ends up here. And, let's hope his wrist is healed soon and he can get back on the court where I imagine he's dying to be.
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Bingo fordham
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Bingo fordham
Thank you.
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My person is in his family circle....she said done deal. JL does come with some "unique" people around him who might want UC but it would still be shocking if he didnt end up here. FYI I never like to insinuate cash or other illegal benifits are reasons why kids chose schools, I dont think its fair without knowing for sure. That being said best story along those lines I ever heard was from a PROMINATE agent who said by the toime D Rose had finshed HS he had already recieved 630K from an agent....not Cal but an agent.
Not usually an "inside" guy, but I have family circle people on this also. They say the handlers and parents are on the same SJU page. The kid is a slight Cincy lean. Believe what you will.
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My person is in his family circle....she said done deal. JL does come with some "unique" people around him who might want UC but it would still be shocking if he didnt end up here. FYI I never like to insinuate cash or other illegal benifits are reasons why kids chose schools, I dont think its fair without knowing for sure. That being said best story along those lines I ever heard was from a PROMINATE agent who said by the toime D Rose had finshed HS he had already recieved 630K from an agent....not Cal but an agent.
Not usually an "inside" guy, but I have family circle people on this also. They say the handlers and parents are on the same SJU page. The kid is a slight Cincy lean. Believe what you will.
Appreciate the info but thats gonna get disputed heavily. Never have I heard the handler being on STJ side.
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Where does one go to school to become a "Handler"?
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Where does one go to school to become a "Handler"?
No school ;)
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My person is in his family circle....she said done deal. JL does come with some "unique" people around him who might want UC but it would still be shocking if he didnt end up here. FYI I never like to insinuate cash or other illegal benifits are reasons why kids chose schools, I dont think its fair without knowing for sure. That being said best story along those lines I ever heard was from a PROMINATE agent who said by the toime D Rose had finshed HS he had already recieved 630K from an agent....not Cal but an agent.
Not usually an "inside" guy, but I have family circle people on this also. They say the handlers and parents are on the same SJU page. The kid is a slight Cincy lean. Believe what you will.
Appreciate the info but thats gonna get disputed heavily. Never have I heard the handler being on STJ side.
Hope I'm wrong or slight leans change every day.
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My person is in his family circle....she said done deal. JL does come with some "unique" people around him who might want UC but it would still be shocking if he didnt end up here. FYI I never like to insinuate cash or other illegal benifits are reasons why kids chose schools, I dont think its fair without knowing for sure. That being said best story along those lines I ever heard was from a PROMINATE agent who said by the toime D Rose had finshed HS he had already recieved 630K from an agent....not Cal but an agent.
Not usually an "inside" guy, but I have family circle people on this also. They say the handlers and parents are on the same SJU page. The kid is a slight Cincy lean. Believe what you will.
How come all the "insiders" are coming out today?
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My person is in his family circle....she said done deal. JL does come with some "unique" people around him who might want UC but it would still be shocking if he didnt end up here. FYI I never like to insinuate cash or other illegal benifits are reasons why kids chose schools, I dont think its fair without knowing for sure. That being said best story along those lines I ever heard was from a PROMINATE agent who said by the toime D Rose had finshed HS he had already recieved 630K from an agent....not Cal but an agent.
Not usually an "inside" guy, but I have family circle people on this also. They say the handlers and parents are on the same SJU page. The kid is a slight Cincy lean. Believe what you will.
How come all the "insiders" are coming out today?
It's too cold out so everyone is inside on their computers
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My person is in his family circle....she said done deal. JL does come with some "unique" people around him who might want UC but it would still be shocking if he didnt end up here. FYI I never like to insinuate cash or other illegal benifits are reasons why kids chose schools, I dont think its fair without knowing for sure. That being said best story along those lines I ever heard was from a PROMINATE agent who said by the toime D Rose had finshed HS he had already recieved 630K from an agent....not Cal but an agent.
Not usually an "inside" guy, but I have family circle people on this also. They say the handlers and parents are on the same SJU page. The kid is a slight Cincy lean. Believe what you will.
How come all the "insiders" are coming out today?
Heard this about a week and a half ago as some members of this board can attest. Didn't post because as I said "slight leans" change every day. Also heard Feb 3 is his birthday and announcement day. Who knows ?
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My person is in his family circle....she said done deal. JL does come with some "unique" people around him who might want UC but it would still be shocking if he didnt end up here. FYI I never like to insinuate cash or other illegal benifits are reasons why kids chose schools, I dont think its fair without knowing for sure. That being said best story along those lines I ever heard was from a PROMINATE agent who said by the toime D Rose had finshed HS he had already recieved 630K from an agent....not Cal but an agent.
Not usually an "inside" guy, but I have family circle people on this also. They say the handlers and parents are on the same SJU page. The kid is a slight Cincy lean. Believe what you will.
How come all the "insiders" are coming out today?
Heard this about a week and a half ago as some members of this board can attest. Didn't post because as I said "slight leans" change every day. Also heard Feb 3 is his birthday and announcement day. Who knows ?
Anyone know if he'll take a visit before then or is that still up in the air?
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My person is in his family circle....she said done deal. JL does come with some "unique" people around him who might want UC but it would still be shocking if he didnt end up here. FYI I never like to insinuate cash or other illegal benifits are reasons why kids chose schools, I dont think its fair without knowing for sure. That being said best story along those lines I ever heard was from a PROMINATE agent who said by the toime D Rose had finshed HS he had already recieved 630K from an agent....not Cal but an agent.
Not usually an "inside" guy, but I have family circle people on this also. They say the handlers and parents are on the same SJU page. The kid is a slight Cincy lean. Believe what you will.
How come all the "insiders" are coming out today?
Heard this about a week and a half ago as some members of this board can attest. Didn't post because as I said "slight leans" change every day. Also heard Feb 3 is his birthday and announcement day. Who knows ?
Anyone know if he'll take a visit before then or is that still up in the air?
For anyone who saw the Montverde/Findlay Prep game yesterday - how does Jermaine compare to Findlay's 6'10 wing Christian Woods, who's already committed to UNLV?
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All this "inside" stuff is such a crapshoot and I'm not disputing what others have posted on here. A month ago I heard Cincinnati was last of the 3 and the one to worry about was UNLV. LOL
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All this "inside" stuff is such a crapshoot and I'm not disputing what others have posted on here. A month ago I heard Cincinnati was last of the 3 and the one to worry about was UNLV. LOL
Let's nail down a visit date and close this out. Lavin's forte, closing!
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“@AdamZagoria: Cincinnati Watches Lawrence Work Out http://t.co/Org1zfRI (http://t.co/Org1zfRI)”
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Thought part of the job description was coaching the present team AND recruiting for the future but who knows maybe it is impossible to do both so we will just stick with the guys we have and when their eligibility runs out we will just terminate the men's basketball program. OR NOT! ::)
Exactly right!
Linda/RF. how does continuing to recruit Jermaine "take away" from our current team in any way? It doesn't. You play tomorrow's game and plan for next year all at the same time. I'm unaware of any jobs were you only have to worry about the present.
I mentioned a few weeks ago I thought it was a little disconcerting that Jermaine hasn't played in so long. But we don't know what his Drs are telling him.
We need to trust coach Lavin and coach Chiles on this one. They know what to look for, and the questions to ask.
As an aside though, Cincy still worries me a lot. I know '79 said it was a done deal- but ...
Agree on Cincy. Questionable nature of his "handlers" keeps me concerned. Hopefully family opinion prevails.
How does the family not have power over the handler?
The family is not very basketball oriented, just comes from a very good home that never thought there son would gravitate to the game of basketball and Become top 25 player in the nation at it
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My biggest fear is that he is not the same player after the injury and is riding his past talent to get himself in a position of power (In terms of recruiting).
If it's NO be upfront!
the Team must move forward as lavin said WE are beating ranked teams and that is more important than some kid with a hurt wrist who cannot see that he was made to be a star here! Not sayin that I don't want him just, we should handle the team we have. :up:
Past talent? Kid only got hurt like 6 months ago? It was a wrist injury.. This is certainly a joke.
He hasn't played a game this season and won't (Due to no contact!).
RED FLAG :o
I am just not trying to live in his pre injury expectation and we end up dealing with a Rob Thomas (part 2)
Yeah I said it! :P
Besides with all this SJU last visit, Now it's postponed! :'(
Cincy dropping by for practice today?
This is Reality! >:(
WE might not get him!
>:(
I am trying to move forward with or without him!
WE ARE.....
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That post looks familiar.
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My biggest fear is that he is not the same player after the injury and is riding his past talent to get himself in a position of power (In terms of recruiting).
If it's NO be upfront!
the Team must move forward as lavin said WE are beating ranked teams and that is more important than some kid with a hurt wrist who cannot see that he was made to be a star here! Not sayin that I don't want him just, we should handle the team we have. :up:
Past talent? Kid only got hurt like 6 months ago? It was a wrist injury.. This is certainly a joke.
He hasn't played a game this season and won't (Due to no contact!).
RED FLAG :o
I am just not trying to live in his pre injury expectation and we end up dealing with a Rob Thomas (part 2)
Yeah I said it! :P
Besides with all this SJU last visit, Now it's postponed! :'(
Cincy dropping by for practice today?
This is Reality! >:(
WE might not get him!
>:(
I am trying to move forward with or without him!
WE ARE.....
I love how you say " we don't end up dealing with another Rob Thomas" like an injured kid is a inconvenience to your life . I agree with Moose .. Your posting style looks rather familiar. Either way you are entertaining the crap out of me :)
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That post looks familiar.
Very familiar LOL
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Forgive me Folks! A lot of Passion involved! I love this team!!! :angel:
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72ish.
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'72, Linda, Realfan, Illa..... someone straighten this mess out for me. So damn confusing.
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'72, Linda, Realfan, Illa..... someone straighten this mess out for me. So damn confusing.
"Sybil"
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My person is in his family circle....she said done deal. JL does come with some "unique" people around him who might want UC but it would still be shocking if he didnt end up here. FYI I never like to insinuate cash or other illegal benifits are reasons why kids chose schools, I dont think its fair without knowing for sure. That being said best story along those lines I ever heard was from a PROMINATE agent who said by the toime D Rose had finshed HS he had already recieved 630K from an agent....not Cal but an agent.
Not usually an "inside" guy, but I have family circle people on this also. They say the handlers and parents are on the same SJU page. The kid is a slight Cincy lean. Believe what you will.
How come all the "insiders" are coming out today?
Heard this about a week and a half ago as some members of this board can attest. Didn't post because as I said "slight leans" change every day. Also heard Feb 3 is his birthday and announcement day. Who knows ?
Little thing called the Super Bowl Feb. 3 so if he wants any pub besides St. John's internet sites he may want to pick another day.
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My person is in his family circle....she said done deal. JL does come with some "unique" people around him who might want UC but it would still be shocking if he didnt end up here. FYI I never like to insinuate cash or other illegal benifits are reasons why kids chose schools, I dont think its fair without knowing for sure. That being said best story along those lines I ever heard was from a PROMINATE agent who said by the toime D Rose had finshed HS he had already recieved 630K from an agent....not Cal but an agent.
Not usually an "inside" guy, but I have family circle people on this also. They say the handlers and parents are on the same SJU page. The kid is a slight Cincy lean. Believe what you will.
How come all the "insiders" are coming out today?
Heard this about a week and a half ago as some members of this board can attest. Didn't post because as I said "slight leans" change every day. Also heard Feb 3 is his birthday and announcement day. Who knows ?
Little thing called the Super Bowl Feb. 3 so if he wants any pub besides St. John's internet sites he may want to pick another day.
Good point.
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Cincy on prowl for Jermaine's sophomore teammate.
“@J3C513: Same high school as Jermaine Lawrence "@AdamZagoria: Cincinnati offered 2015 Pope John F Moustapha Diagne today, per coach Jason Hasson"”
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hope so;
“@EvanDanielsFOX: 2013 five-star forward Jermaine Lawrence is taking his visit to St. John's this coming weekend, a source says.”
“@NYPost_Brazille: Jermaine Lawrence will take an unofficial to St. John's this weekend, per source. Decision between #stjbb, UCLA and Cincy could come shortly”
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Zach corrected, UNLV, not UCLA.
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Big, big weekend for the Johnnies.
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My biggest fear is that he is not the same player after the injury and is riding his past talent to get himself in a position of power (In terms of recruiting).
If it's NO be upfront!
the Team must move forward as lavin said WE are beating ranked teams and that is more important than some kid with a hurt wrist who cannot see that he was made to be a star here! Not sayin that I don't want him just, we should handle the team we have. :up:
Past talent? Kid only got hurt like 6 months ago? It was a wrist injury.. This is certainly a joke.
He hasn't played a game this season and won't (Due to no contact!).
RED FLAG :o
I am just not trying to live in his pre injury expectation and we end up dealing with a Rob Thomas (part 2)
Yeah I said it! :P
Besides with all this SJU last visit, Now it's postponed! :'(
Cincy dropping by for practice today?
This is Reality! >:(
WE might not get him!
>:(
I am trying to move forward with or without him!
WE ARE.....
Welcome back OLD RED!!!
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hope so;
“@EvanDanielsFOX: 2013 five-star forward Jermaine Lawrence is taking his visit to St. John's this coming weekend, a source says.”
“@NYPost_Brazille: Jermaine Lawrence will take an unofficial to St. John's this weekend, per source. Decision between #stjbb, UCLA and Cincy could come shortly”
I like my chances with Lavin closing. Can he go to the MSG game against Seton Hall on an unofficial?
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hope so;
“@EvanDanielsFOX: 2013 five-star forward Jermaine Lawrence is taking his visit to St. John's this coming weekend, a source says.”
“@NYPost_Brazille: Jermaine Lawrence will take an unofficial to St. John's this weekend, per source. Decision between #stjbb, UCLA and Cincy could come shortly”
I like my chances with Lavin closing. Can he go to the MSG game against Seton Hall on an unofficial?
Yes.
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Zach correcte
Which is why I inquired about comparisons to the already committed Christian Woods for UNLV.
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We have not had a good history with guys named Lawrence
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hope so;
“@EvanDanielsFOX: 2013 five-star forward Jermaine Lawrence is taking his visit to St. John's this coming weekend, a source says.”
“@NYPost_Brazille: Jermaine Lawrence will take an unofficial to St. John's this weekend, per source. Decision between #stjbb, UCLA and Cincy could come shortly”
I like my chances with Lavin closing. Can he go to the MSG game against Seton Hall on an unofficial?
I think that is a mistake, it is an official.
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We have not had a good history with guys named Lawrence
Sort of, Eugene although rather bad did play 4 years for us. Omari on the other hand was probably one of Norm's top 3 recruits but saw the writing on the wall regarding his future and bolted.
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We have not had a good history with guys named Lawrence
Sort of, Eugene although rather bad did play 4 years for us. Omari on the other hand was probably one of Norm's top 3 recruits but saw the writing on the wall regarding his future and bolted.
I wonder if got hurt? He was a different player in high school.
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We have not had a good history with guys named Lawrence
Sort of, Eugene although rather bad did play 4 years for us. Omari on the other hand was probably one of Norm's top 3 recruits but saw the writing on the wall regarding his future and bolted.
I wonder if got hurt? He was a different player in high school.
He got out of shape.
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Im telling you if this kid ends up an Cinci I will PERSONALLY call out the handler who steered him there....his mom and he both want SJU
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Why do these handlers / intermediaries seem to have an axe to grind with us? Brewster coach, gathers' brother, Jermaine's lady. For a staff known for recruiting prowess, this happens kind of frequently
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Im telling you if this kid ends up an Cinci I will PERSONALLY call out the handler who steered him there....his mom and he both want SJU
How can they force kid to sign a LOI? If he signs with Cincinnati its because he wanted to.
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First off nobody can force anybody to do anything....what is done ALL the time is shady adults with their own agendas munipulate young men by telling them lies and making prmoses for their own self intererst...been going on FOREVER and will continue forever. Ive seen it, hell I did it in the early 90's to get a kid to St Johns and it ended HORRIABLY for all parties
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I would rather have the point guard personally
Obepka,Sampson, Pointer, Harrison, Branch
Bench
GG, Jones, Garrett, Greene
Definite tourney team next year unless Lavin gives Greene too much to do
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I would rather have the point guard personally
Obepka,Sampson, Pointer, Harrison, Branch
Bench
GG, Jones, Garrett, Greene
Definite tourney team next year unless Lavin gives Greene too much to do
Sadly I don't know if that is a tournament team next year.
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Sadly I don't know if that is a tournament team next year.
WOW! Some on the board had in the sweet 16 THIS YEAR. ;D
If they all come back(transfers,no one is getting drafted)CO and Sampson will be better andd Pointer seems to have "finally gotten it". I think we sneek into NIT this year. NCAA with the above is a must or coach takes a huge hit IMO.
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First off nobody can force anybody to do anything....what is done ALL the time is shady adults with their own agendas munipulate young men by telling them lies and making prmoses for their own self intererst...been going on FOREVER and will continue forever. Ive seen it, hell I did it in the early 90's to get a kid to St Johns and it ended HORRIABLY for all parties
Our campus security should be instructed to taser those people. In a perfect world, that is.
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I would rather have the point guard personally
Obepka,Sampson, Pointer, Harrison, Branch
Bench
GG, Jones, Garrett, Greene
Definite tourney team next year unless Lavin gives Greene too much to do
Not sure what St John's games you have been watching this year. Our # 1 big need is a Big not a point guard.
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Not sure what St John's games you have been watching this year. Our # 1 big need is a Big not a point guard
Really? Phil Greene played the point most of the season and I feel Branch is more of a combo guard. Coach has a guy ranked as 12th best fosh(I don't necessarily agree but whatever)coming off the bench so he could play Pointer and Garrett at the 4. If this kid comes, which it is starting to look like he won't that means Obepka, Pointer, Garrett, everyone's sudden favorite GG and Lavin favorite Greene will be coming off the bench.
Coach seems to like to go small. Easier to run the circle maybe?
So yes considering we will have CO, Sampson and GG up front only Branch at the point I think Point guard is a bigger need!
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Ok enough about the current team. This thread is just about Jermaine Lawrence
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Ok enough about the current team. This thread is just about Jermaine Lawrence
That just makes no sense! We were discussing how he would fit in with the current team. Or would you prefer more "handler" talk?
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Not sure what St John's games you have been watching this year. Our # 1 big need is a Big not a point guard
Really? Phil Greene played the point most of the season and I feel Branch is more of a combo guard. Coach has a guy ranked as 12th best fosh(I don't necessarily agree but whatever)coming off the bench so he could play Pointer and Garrett at the 4. If this kid comes, which it is starting to look like he won't that means Obepka, Pointer, Garrett, everyone's sudden favorite GG and Lavin favorite Greene will be coming off the bench.
Coach seems to like to go small. Easier to run the circle maybe?
So yes considering we will have CO, Sampson and GG up front only Branch at the point I think Point guard is a bigger need!
I think a case could be made for both of them being the "greater need". However I think their both elite level talents and would be more than happy with either of them. I just hope we get one of them.
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I would like a threesome with Scarlett Johanson and Kate Upton. But If I had to settle with one I'd go Upton.
If we only could get one I would prefer coach concentrate on Jordan.
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Jermaine is the more important recruit in my eyes because because based on what everyone says, he's the better scorer.
We need 2nd and 3rd options offensively. A reliable pick and roll, or pick and pop guy, for both Dangelo and Branch to play with.
The fact that he's 6'9 is a bonus.
If we get jermaine Gift will be a non factor next year.
Sometimes we'll play small with Jermaine, Sampson, and Garrett/Pointer
And other times we'll play big with Obekpa, Sampson, Jermaine.
But bottom line, Jermaine is a tall athletic kid who can shoot. Sign him tomorrow and I will be very very happy.
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Also, Jermaine isn't a typical big man. From what I've seen he's skinnier than either Moe or Jakarr. So while I agree we need a big man; that's not a good enough reason by itself to want Jermaine over Rhysheed. Because he's not really that.
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Jermaine is the more important recruit in my eyes because because based on what everyone says, he's the better scorer.
We need 2nd and 3rd options offensively. A reliable pick and roll, or pick and pop guy, for both Dangelo and Branch to play with.
The fact that he's 6'9 is a bonus.
If we get jermaine Gift will be a non factor next year.
Sometimes we'll play small with Jermaine, Sampson, and Garrett/Pointer
And other times we'll play big with Obekpa, Sampson, Jermaine.
But bottom line, Jermaine is a tall athletic kid who can shoot. Sign him tomorrow and I will be very very happy.
And with Phil Greene running the point at times you can Lineup a froncourt of Ewing , Berry and Carmelo Anthony and we would struggle offensively.
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This kid would be a huge get. 6'9" dynamic wing player. We aren't good enough yet to start cherry picking top 20 talent yet.
No reason we can't land both Jermaine and Rysheed. That's the plan. I have total faith that Lavin lands them both.
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Jermaine is the more important recruit in my eyes because because based on what everyone says, he's the better scorer.
We need 2nd and 3rd options offensively. A reliable pick and roll, or pick and pop guy, for both Dangelo and Branch to play with.
The fact that he's 6'9 is a bonus.
If we get jermaine Gift will be a non factor next year.
Sometimes we'll play small with Jermaine, Sampson, and Garrett/Pointer
And other times we'll play big with Obekpa, Sampson, Jermaine.
But bottom line, Jermaine is a tall athletic kid who can shoot. Sign him tomorrow and I will be very very happy.
And with Phil Greene running the point at times you can Lineup a froncourt of Ewing , Berry and Carmelo Anthony and we would struggle offensively.
I agree w you. I think we will get Lawrence. Making the assumption CO and Sampson will be back ,Gift would have helped the team more this year than next. But, there are still ifs w next year.
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Jermaine Lawrence has been cleared by surgeon and could return to court tomorrow for game I'm told. #stjbb on tap for this weekend”
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Jermaine is the more important recruit in my eyes because because based on what everyone says, he's the better scorer.
We need 2nd and 3rd options offensively. A reliable pick and roll, or pick and pop guy, for both Dangelo and Branch to play with.
The fact that he's 6'9 is a bonus.
If we get jermaine Gift will be a non factor next year.
Sometimes we'll play small with Jermaine, Sampson, and Garrett/Pointer
And other times we'll play big with Obekpa, Sampson, Jermaine.
But bottom line, Jermaine is a tall athletic kid who can shoot. Sign him tomorrow and I will be very very happy.
And with Phil Greene running the point at times you can Lineup a froncourt of Ewing , Berry and Carmelo Anthony and we would struggle offensively.
That is true wasju. Definitely true.
Idk, I guess I'm a big believer in Branch, and also the way Lawrence was playing last spring and summer it sounded like he was on the cusp of being really special.
I certainly wouldn't be upset though if we land Jordan.
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Jermaine Lawrence has been cleared by surgeon and could return to court tomorrow for game I'm told. #stjbb on tap for this weekend”
BAM! There's some good news. Thanks as always for finding the good info Paultz.
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Branch is a PG and will be a good one. Just because he can score doesn't disqualify him. It's not either/ or. We are also recruiting Rysheed so it is a moot point. Fantastic news that it looks like we will land Lawrence. Also grest news we get an official this weekend with a decision soon after.
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First off nobody can force anybody to do anything....what is done ALL the time is shady adults with their own agendas munipulate young men by telling them lies and making prmoses for their own self intererst...been going on FOREVER and will continue forever. Ive seen it, hell I did it in the early 90's to get a kid to St Johns and it ended HORRIABLY for all parties
Tom Bayne or Ed Brown??? ;)
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First off nobody can force anybody to do anything....what is done ALL the time is shady adults with their own agendas munipulate young men by telling them lies and making prmoses for their own self intererst...been going on FOREVER and will continue forever. Ive seen it, hell I did it in the early 90's to get a kid to St Johns and it ended HORRIABLY for all parties
Tom Bayne or Ed Brown??? ;)
Roshown Mcleod ?
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“@mainestory: Got my first game tomorrow! #hype”
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“@AdamZagoria: Jermaine Lawrence to Debut Thursday http://t.co/QehOwAqu (http://t.co/QehOwAqu) @mainestory @sevec3”
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First off nobody can force anybody to do anything....what is done ALL the time is shady adults with their own agendas munipulate young men by telling them lies and making prmoses for their own self intererst...been going on FOREVER and will continue forever. Ive seen it, hell I did it in the early 90's to get a kid to St Johns and it ended HORRIABLY for all parties
Tom Bayne or Ed Brown??? ;)
Roshown Mcleod ?
Nothing ended horribly for Roshown. He went to Duke and played in the league. Maybe Derek Brown? Mo Brown? Ed Brown? Lotta Brown here. Let's hope Lawrence isn't the new Brown.
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First off nobody can force anybody to do anything....what is done ALL the time is shady adults with their own agendas munipulate young men by telling them lies and making prmoses for their own self intererst...been going on FOREVER and will continue forever. Ive seen it, hell I did it in the early 90's to get a kid to St Johns and it ended HORRIABLY for all parties
Tom Bayne or Ed Brown??? ;)
Roshown Mcleod ?
Nothing ended horribly for Roshown. He went to Duke and played in the league. Maybe Derek Brown? Mo Brown? Ed Brown? Lotta Brown here. Let's hope Lawrence isn't the new Brown.
what can brown do for you?
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Hope so!
“@AdamZagoria: I wouldn't be surprised to see Steve Lavin at @mainestory 's game tomorrow.”
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Get there Lav! Thats the real benefit of being close by. Cinci probably cant take two trips
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@NYPost_Brazille
Jermaine Lawrence visit to St. John's postponed until mid February per source. #stjbb
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@NYPost_Brazille
Jermaine Lawrence visit to St. John's postponed until mid February per source. #stjbb
Just as long as it happens.
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Hope so!
“@AdamZagoria: I wouldn't be surprised to see Steve Lavin at @mainestory 's game tomorrow.”
It would be fantastic.
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Should we be concerned?
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Braziller says it's just a timing thing...but I'll remain nervous until he ACTUALLY visits. We were Wainright's last visit and we all thought we were in great position for him, but he committed before Lavin got his "scheduled" shot. Anything can happen.
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Braziller says it's just a timing thing...but I'll remain nervous until he ACTUALLY visits. We were Wainright's last visit and we all thought we were in great position for him, but he committed before Lavin got his "scheduled" shot. Anything can happen.
But hasn't he visited the campus numerous times? I'm not worried about when he comes to campus. He needs to focus on the books and now the court.
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Braziller says it's just a timing thing...but I'll remain nervous until he ACTUALLY visits. We were Wainright's last visit and we all thought we were in great position for him, but he committed before Lavin got his "scheduled" shot. Anything can happen.
But hasn't he visited the campus numerous times? I'm not worried about when he comes to campus. He needs to focus on the books and now the court.
Yea, Jermaine has been around St Johns a ton. Games, scrimmages, unofficial visits on campus... all that.
If he picks Cincinnati it won't be because we didn't get a last visit.
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AdamZagoria
#stjbb coach Steve Lavin is expected to watch @mainestory tonight
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AdamZagoria
#stjbb coach Steve Lavin is expected to watch @mainestory tonight
Beginning to sound like Sanchez saga. :) In case smiley face isn't enough for some-just kidding!
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“@AdamZagoria: Per @sevec3 @mainestory has 11, including 2 highlight dunks, as @popejohnbball leads 25-12 at half. #stjbb Tony Chiles is there”
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"@Coast2CoastHoop: St John's had Steve Lavin and Tony Chiles watching Jermaine Lawrence, Moustapha Diagne and Bryce Aiken of Pope John (NJ)."
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Moustapha And Bryce are gonna be very very good
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Any confirmation that Lavin and Chiles were both there? It's important for Lavin to show up on the recruiting trail.
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http://zagsblog.com/articles/with-st-johns-coaches-watching-lawrence-makes-triumphant-return/ (http://zagsblog.com/articles/with-st-johns-coaches-watching-lawrence-makes-triumphant-return/)
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Going head to head with Cincy again and again!
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Going head to head with Cincy again and again!
We have been targeting top NYC talent sparingly under Lavin, but these are the battles we must win much like Harkless before him.
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Going head to head with Cincy again and again!
We have been targeting top NYC talent sparingly under Lavin, but these are the battles we must win much like Harkless before him.
That is spot on. We have to get our fair share of NYC kids, but sweating them and then losing them to a hole of a city like Cincinnati would look really bad for us.
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To be honest there hasn't been all that much NYC talent to recruit
I would like to see the staff have more of a New Jersey presence though.
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Going head to head with Cincy again and again!
We have been targeting top NYC talent sparingly under Lavin, but these are the battles we must win much like Harkless before him.
That is spot on. We have to get our fair share of NYC kids, but sweating them and then losing them to a hole of a city like Cincinnati would look really bad for us.
How many head to hear battles has lavin lost to cincy? This isn't the norm regime anymore. Lavin wins more than his share of battles. I like our chances here but i know nothing
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Going head to head with Cincy again and again!
We have been targeting top NYC talent sparingly under Lavin, but these are the battles we must win much like Harkless before him.
That is spot on. We have to get our fair share of NYC kids, but sweating them and then losing them to a hole of a city like Cincinnati would look really bad for us.
How many head to hear battles has lavin lost to cincy? This isn't the norm regime anymore. Lavin wins more than his share of battles. I like our chances here but i know nothing
That's why this matters, if it matters at all off the court. We need to continue to show everyone that we've made progress.
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"That's why this matters, if it matters at all off the court. We need to continue to show everyone that we've made progress."
We have 6 top 100 players playing major minutes. Norm never got one. I say we've made plenty of progress.
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"That's why this matters, if it matters at all off the court. We need to continue to show everyone that we've made progress."
We have 6 top 100 players playing major minutes. Norm never got one. I say we've made plenty of progress.
I agree, but this is our backyard. We are not going up against Duke or NC for this guy. This is Cincinnati, OH. No NY kid should pick that over us. Gotta protect your turf. All SJ has asked for is their fair share. We can't be losing top 25 kids to midwestern trash bag cities.
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"That's why this matters, if it matters at all off the court. We need to continue to show everyone that we've made progress."
We have 6 top 100 players playing major minutes. Norm never got one. I say we've made plenty of progress.
I agree, but this is our backyard. We are not going up against Duke or NC for this guy. This is Cincinnati, OH. No NY kid should pick that over us. Gotta protect your turf. All SJ has asked for is their fair share. We can't be losing top 25 kids to midwestern trash bag cities.
Steve has delivered the state's best player in back to back years.
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"That's why this matters, if it matters at all off the court. We need to continue to show everyone that we've made progress."
We have 6 top 100 players playing major minutes. Norm never got one. I say we've made plenty of progress.
I agree, but this is our backyard. We are not going up against Duke or NC for this guy. This is Cincinnati, OH. No NY kid should pick that over us. Gotta protect your turf. All SJ has asked for is their fair share. We can't be losing top 25 kids to midwestern trash bag cities.
Steve has delivered the state's best player in back to back years.
He won't in 2014 though
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“@ECoastBias: RT @rumbleSBN: St. John's recruiting: Steve Lavin and Tony Chiles watch Jermaine Lawrence. #stjbb http://t.co/dsQIMcDc (http://t.co/dsQIMcDc)”
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"That's why this matters, if it matters at all off the court. We need to continue to show everyone that we've made progress."
We have 6 top 100 players playing major minutes. Norm never got one. I say we've made plenty of progress.
I agree, but this is our backyard. We are not going up against Duke or NC for this guy. This is Cincinnati, OH. No NY kid should pick that over us. Gotta protect your turf. All SJ has asked for is their fair share. We can't be losing top 25 kids to midwestern trash bag cities.
Steve has delivered the state's best player in back to back years.
He won't in 2014 though
Nope. That was sealed the day Brewster showed up
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"That's why this matters, if it matters at all off the court. We need to continue to show everyone that we've made progress."
We have 6 top 100 players playing major minutes. Norm never got one. I say we've made plenty of progress.
I agree, but this is our backyard. We are not going up against Duke or NC for this guy. This is Cincinnati, OH. No NY kid should pick that over us. Gotta protect your turf. All SJ has asked for is their fair share. We can't be losing top 25 kids to midwestern trash bag cities.
Steve has delivered the state's best player in back to back years.
I understand that, and I'm content w our recruiting but not thrilled.
This particular case IMO is important. This is a kid who grew up watching SJ.
He lived at Alumni Hall. For him to leave after sending so much time here
would be crushing.
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"That's why this matters, if it matters at all off the court. We need to continue to show everyone that we've made progress."
We have 6 top 100 players playing major minutes. Norm never got one. I say we've made plenty of progress.
I agree, but this is our backyard. We are not going up against Duke or NC for this guy. This is Cincinnati, OH. No NY kid should pick that over us. Gotta protect your turf. All SJ has asked for is their fair share. We can't be losing top 25 kids to midwestern trash bag cities.
Steve has delivered the state's best player in back to back years.
I understand that, and I'm content w our recruiting but not thrilled.
This particular case IMO is important. This is a kid who grew up watching SJ.
He lived at Alumni Hall. For him to leave after sending so much time here
would be crushing.
Good thing he's coming then...
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"That's why this matters, if it matters at all off the court. We need to continue to show everyone that we've made progress."
We have 6 top 100 players playing major minutes. Norm never got one. I say we've made plenty of progress.
I agree, but this is our backyard. We are not going up against Duke or NC for this guy. This is Cincinnati, OH. No NY kid should pick that over us. Gotta protect your turf. All SJ has asked for is their fair share. We can't be losing top 25 kids to midwestern trash bag cities.
Steve has delivered the state's best player in back to back years.
I'm content w our recruiting but not thrilled.
This statement shows how much we take for granted Lavin's recruiting ability. "content?" If getting top 50 recruits year in and year out makes you "content" I'm not sure you will ever be thrilled with our recruiting.
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"That's why this matters, if it matters at all off the court. We need to continue to show everyone that we've made progress."
We have 6 top 100 players playing major minutes. Norm never got one. I say we've made plenty of progress.
I agree, but this is our backyard. We are not going up against Duke or NC for this guy. This is Cincinnati, OH. No NY kid should pick that over us. Gotta protect your turf. All SJ has asked for is their fair share. We can't be losing top 25 kids to midwestern trash bag cities.
Steve has delivered the state's best player in back to back years.
He won't in 2014 though
Nope. That was sealed the day Brewster showed up
We won't land the #2 recruit either, and probably not the 3rd to boot.
As everyone knows, I am a huge Lavin homer but to blame Brewster for McCullough is wrong. No one forced us to not show up there once to watch him play in the fall.
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Let's not forget Sampson came from Brewster also.
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"That's why this matters, if it matters at all off the court. We need to continue to show everyone that we've made progress."
We have 6 top 100 players playing major minutes. Norm never got one. I say we've made plenty of progress.
I agree, but this is our backyard. We are not going up against Duke or NC for this guy. This is Cincinnati, OH. No NY kid should pick that over us. Gotta protect your turf. All SJ has asked for is their fair share. We can't be losing top 25 kids to midwestern trash bag cities.
Steve has delivered the state's best player in back to back years.
He won't in 2014 though
Nope. That was sealed the day Brewster showed up
We won't land the #2 recruit either, and probably not the 3rd to boot.
As everyone knows, I am a huge Lavin homer but to blame Brewster for McCullough is wrong. No one forced us to not show up there once to watch him play in the fall.
The difference being we are now just filling spots instead of a whole roster.
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Let's not forget Sampson came from Brewster also.
You don't say?
There's a reason Tony wasn't subletting a place on Lake Winnipesaukee and it wasn't beacuse he didn't save the address in Wolfeboro on his GPS.
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Steve has delivered the state's best player in back to back years.
Mo- definitely
but many might say that the rankings were correct putting Calhoun ahead of Chris O
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Steve has delivered the state's best player in back to back years.
Mo- definitely
but many might say that the rankings were correct putting Calhoun ahead of Chris O
Many wouldn't even count Obekpa. Some would say Long Island. Some would say only been in America for a few years, etc.
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"That's why this matters, if it matters at all off the court. We need to continue to show everyone that we've made progress."
We have 6 top 100 players playing major minutes. Norm never got one. I say we've made plenty of progress.
I agree, but this is our backyard. We are not going up against Duke or NC for this guy. This is Cincinnati, OH. No NY kid should pick that over us. Gotta protect your turf. All SJ has asked for is their fair share. We can't be losing top 25 kids to midwestern trash bag cities.
Steve has delivered the state's best player in back to back years.
I'm content w our recruiting but not thrilled.
This statement shows how much we take for granted Lavin's recruiting ability. "content?" If getting top 50 recruits year in and year out makes you "content" I'm not sure you will ever be thrilled with our recruiting.
It's not just about the ranking of the player coming in. It's about the system that is being built. As far as recruiting goes, I see way to many summer leaguers who can't shoot a three pointer, or hit a free throw. Still, I credit Steve Lavin for picking up the pieces, and putting together 3 straight wins. But at the end of the day, if someone told you that 3 years ago, an NIT bid in year 3 would be something to be content with, I think most fans would take issue.
Norm wasn't far off from the NIT in 06-07. This team is certainly better than that one, but by how much? We'll see.
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Steve has delivered the state's best player in back to back years.
Mo- definitely
but many might say that the rankings were correct putting Calhoun ahead of Chris O
It's comparing two guys who do completely different things. IMO, there are more freshman who can do everything Omar Calhoun can than there are freshman who can do what Obekpa does. Actually no freshman does what Obekpa does.
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Steve has delivered the state's best player in back to back years.
Mo- definitely
but many might say that the rankings were correct putting Calhoun ahead of Chris O
It's comparing two guys who do completely different things. IMO, there are more freshman who can do everything Omar Calhoun can than there are freshman who can do what Obekpa does. Actually no freshman does what Obekpa does.
Maybe one or two other players in the country do what Obekpa does. People who aren't content with Lavin's recruiting are ridiculous. Guy is bringing in straight talent year in and year out. He'll continue to do that. We lose McCullough but land Lawrence. I'm more than fine with that. We will fill roster with the best kids from other states as we have thus far, even when we don't land the top kid from NY. Sure we can we another kid or two that can shoot and I'm sure Lavin knows that as well and will go after some of those kids. This is thus far only Lavin's second recruiting class. In his third he might land Lawrence and/or Rysheed. We're on the right track without doubt.
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Steve has delivered the state's best player in back to back years.
Mo- definitely
but many might say that the rankings were correct putting Calhoun ahead of Chris O
It's comparing two guys who do completely different things. IMO, there are more freshman who can do everything Omar Calhoun can than there are freshman who can do what Obekpa does. Actually no freshman does what Obekpa does.
Maybe one or two other players in the country do what Obekpa does. People who aren't content with Lavin's recruiting are ridiculous. Guy is bringing in straight talent year in and year out. He'll continue to do that. We lose McCullough but land Lawrence. I'm more than fine with that. We will fill roster with the best kids from other states as we have thus far, even when we don't land the top kid from NY. Sure we can we another kid or two that can shoot and I'm sure Lavin knows that as well and will go after some of those kids. This is thus far only Lavin's second recruiting class. In his third he might land Lawrence and/or Rysheed. We're on the right track without doubt.
We have NOT landed Lawrence or Jordan yet!
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sju89tr -- I know Chris M and Isiah are 1 and 2 for 2014 NYC. Who is the third player you are alluding to?
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sju89tr -- I know Chris M and Isiah are 1 and 2 for 2014 NYC. Who is the third player you are alluding to?
Carrington
Uconn lean at this point. Still time to go.
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If Carrington I thought we are on him and in good shape?
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Can anyone elaborate on why the Brewster coach is not a supporter of Lavin/SJU? The prevailing theme from some of these posts is that we lost McCullough to Cuse, who was once a SJU-lock (and has a rel'ship with Hardy, etc), because Lavin & Co. was outrecruited by Cuse. Part of the reason for our lack of visibility, at least some have implied, is because once McCullough went to Brewster we were effectively toast due to the fact that the coach dislikes us. I know that we have gotten a few Brewster kids -- Sampson -- but from what I recall that recruitment went through Jakar's family and not the coach.
I can never fault a kid for picking Cuse -- tremendous program -- but I'm curious as to whether folks think that we lost CM because of Brewster, Cuse putting on the full court press, the reality that Cuse is a better program and that sometimes kids choose the best program, or some combination of the above.
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If Carrington I thought we are on him and in good shape?
We are in good shape, Ollie and UCONN are in better shape
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Can anyone elaborate on why the Brewster coach is not a supporter of Lavin/SJU? The prevailing theme from some of these posts is that we lost McCullough to Cuse, who was once a SJU-lock (and has a rel'ship with Hardy, etc), because Lavin & Co. was outrecruited by Cuse. Part of the reason for our lack of visibility, at least some have implied, is because once McCullough went to Brewster we were effectively toast due to the fact that the coach dislikes us. I know that we have gotten a few Brewster kids -- Sampson -- but from what I recall that recruitment went through Jakar's family and not the coach.
I can never fault a kid for picking Cuse -- tremendous program -- but I'm curious as to whether folks think that we lost CM because of Brewster, Cuse putting on the full court press, the reality that Cuse is a better program and that sometimes kids choose the best program, or some combination of the above.
I can't say that that Jason Smith dislikes St Johns but I think from his point of view is that programs like Kansas and Syracuse for his top talent looks a lot better than us.
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Can anyone elaborate on why the Brewster coach is not a supporter of Lavin/SJU? The prevailing theme from some of these posts is that we lost McCullough to Cuse, who was once a SJU-lock (and has a rel'ship with Hardy, etc), because Lavin & Co. was outrecruited by Cuse. Part of the reason for our lack of visibility, at least some have implied, is because once McCullough went to Brewster we were effectively toast due to the fact that the coach dislikes us. I know that we have gotten a few Brewster kids -- Sampson -- but from what I recall that recruitment went through Jakar's family and not the coach.
I can never fault a kid for picking Cuse -- tremendous program -- but I'm curious as to whether folks think that we lost CM because of Brewster, Cuse putting on the full court press, the reality that Cuse is a better program and that sometimes kids choose the best program, or some combination of the above.
You can always fault a kid for leaving NY. Especially to go to that cesspool.
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Can anyone elaborate on why the Brewster coach is not a supporter of Lavin/SJU? The prevailing theme from some of these posts is that we lost McCullough to Cuse, who was once a SJU-lock (and has a rel'ship with Hardy, etc), because Lavin & Co. was outrecruited by Cuse. Part of the reason for our lack of visibility, at least some have implied, is because once McCullough went to Brewster we were effectively toast due to the fact that the coach dislikes us. I know that we have gotten a few Brewster kids -- Sampson -- but from what I recall that recruitment went through Jakar's family and not the coach.
I can never fault a kid for picking Cuse -- tremendous program -- but I'm curious as to whether folks think that we lost CM because of Brewster, Cuse putting on the full court press, the reality that Cuse is a better program and that sometimes kids choose the best program, or some combination of the above.
You can always fault a kid for leaving NY. Especially to go to that cesspool.
Can't fault a kid for going to a Top 5 program. If your goal is the NBA, it's an honor to go to a prominent program. Hopefully one day we can offer that too.
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If Carrington I thought we are on him and in good shape?
We are in good shape, Ollie and UCONN are in better shape
If another school is in better shape than we (or any other school) cannot be considered to be in "good" shape. Good shape connotates having a good chance to get someone and if he is more likely to go to another school...
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Not sure if this was posted but according to cincy boards this writer wouldn't put this out there if he didn't "know something".
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130125/SPT0101/301250204/Bearcats-among-finalists-star-forward (http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130125/SPT0101/301250204/Bearcats-among-finalists-star-forward)
Maven also indicated on twitter that handler is pushing cincy.
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Not sure if this was posted but according to cincy boards this writer wouldn't put this out there if he didn't "know something".
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130125/SPT0101/301250204/Bearcats-among-finalists-star-forward (http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130125/SPT0101/301250204/Bearcats-among-finalists-star-forward)
Maven also indicated on twitter that handler is pushing cincy.
Telep says 3 year starter maybe more. As 21st rated recruit if he lives up to ranking doubt he will be around for 3-4 years. Is Telep trapped in a time warp? ::)
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Not sure if this was posted but according to cincy boards this writer wouldn't put this out there if he didn't "know something".
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130125/SPT0101/301250204/Bearcats-among-finalists-star-forward (http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130125/SPT0101/301250204/Bearcats-among-finalists-star-forward)
Maven also indicated on twitter that handler is pushing cincy.
Telep says 3 year starter maybe more. As 21st rated recruit if he lives up to ranking doubt he will be around for 3-4 years. Is Telep trapped in a time warp? ::)
Telep projected Lawrence to stj a few weeks ago.
Anyone know if jermaine has an Adidas affiliation and if that might be the driving force to cincy ?
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Not sure if this was posted but according to cincy boards this writer wouldn't put this out there if he didn't "know something".
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130125/SPT0101/301250204/Bearcats-among-finalists-star-forward (http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130125/SPT0101/301250204/Bearcats-among-finalists-star-forward)
Maven also indicated on twitter that handler is pushing cincy.
Telep says 3 year starter maybe more. As 21st rated recruit if he lives up to ranking doubt he will be around for 3-4 years. Is Telep trapped in a time warp? ::)
Telep projected Lawrence to stj a few weeks ago.
Anyone know if jermaine has an Adidas affiliation and if that might be the driving force to cincy ?
Better stated, what is the handler's affiliation or preference?
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Not sure if this was posted but according to cincy boards this writer wouldn't put this out there if he didn't "know something".
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130125/SPT0101/301250204/Bearcats-among-finalists-star-forward (http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130125/SPT0101/301250204/Bearcats-among-finalists-star-forward)
Maven also indicated on twitter that handler is pushing cincy.
Telep says 3 year starter maybe more. As 21st rated recruit if he lives up to ranking doubt he will be around for 3-4 years. Is Telep trapped in a time warp? ::)
Telep projected Lawrence to stj a few weeks ago.
Anyone know if jermaine has an Adidas affiliation and if that might be the driving force to cincy ?
Better stated, what is the handler's affiliation or preference?
Handler allegedly forced transfer to pope John hs in nj, an Adidas school. I'm worried
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Not sure if this was posted but according to cincy boards this writer wouldn't put this out there if he didn't "know something".
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130125/SPT0101/301250204/Bearcats-among-finalists-star-forward (http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20130125/SPT0101/301250204/Bearcats-among-finalists-star-forward)
Maven also indicated on twitter that handler is pushing cincy.
Telep says 3 year starter maybe more. As 21st rated recruit if he lives up to ranking doubt he will be around for 3-4 years. Is Telep trapped in a time warp? ::)
Telep projected Lawrence to stj a few weeks ago.
Anyone know if jermaine has an Adidas affiliation and if that might be the driving force to cincy ?
Better stated, what is the handler's affiliation or preference?
Handler allegedly forced transfer to pope John hs in nj, an Adidas school. I'm worried
If handler trumps family, we lose IMO. We'll see.
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Why would any parent even remotely involved in his/her kid's life let a handler anywhere near him? Especially one who seems even remotely shady?
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Why would any parent even remotely involved in his/her kid's life let a handler anywhere near him? Especially one who seems even remotely shady?
What do the handlers get out of these relationships
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The longer it goes the better. Last year things seemed sour with Karr all HS basketball season. I and a few others said just wait until he doesnt need Jason Smith anymore. Season ends and Karr recommitts. I expect something similar.
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The longer it goes the better. Last year things seemed sour with Karr all HS basketball season. I and a few others said just wait until he doesnt need Jason Smith anymore. Season ends and Karr recommitts. I expect something similar.
Hope so. Kid needs to wear SJU red. Lawrence and Jakarr up front would be obscene, not to mention the rest of our cast.
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Per Zags regarding today's game vs. Seton Hall:
Pope John coach Jason Hasson attended the game with sophomore forward Moustapha Diagne and freshman point guard Bryce Aiken. Senior forward Jermaine Lawrence, who is considering St. John’s, Cincinnati and UNLV, did not attend with them.
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Per Zags regarding today's game vs. Seton Hall:
Pope John coach Jason Hasson attended the game with sophomore forward Moustapha Diagne and freshman point guard Bryce Aiken. Senior forward Jermaine Lawrence, who is considering St. John’s, Cincinnati and UNLV, did not attend with them.
Not a good sign.
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How so? Do you have any direct knowledge?
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How could him NOT attending with his teammates and coach be anything but a bad sign (at first glance)?
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Per Zags regarding today's game vs. Seton Hall:
Pope John coach Jason Hasson attended the game with sophomore forward Moustapha Diagne and freshman point guard Bryce Aiken. Senior forward Jermaine Lawrence, who is considering St. John’s, Cincinnati and UNLV, did not attend with them.
Not a good sign.
Yea
Lets panic
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It may be a bad sign, but also he may of had prior commitment. he postponed his official this weekend so something else might have been up. If he cancels his official all together then I think it would be a real bad sign.
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How could him NOT attending with his teammates and coach be anything but a bad sign (at first glance)?
Would not read anything negative into the situation. Even if he favored cincy over us right now why wouldn't he just want to hang with his buds and coach at a hoop game at the garden (with a team he at minimum has interest in)?
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Apparently he has been to plenty of practices and games. Maybe he had something to do? Until I hear otherwise I see no need to panic.
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Per Zags regarding today's game vs. Seton Hall:
Pope John coach Jason Hasson attended the game with sophomore forward Moustapha Diagne and freshman point guard Bryce Aiken. Senior forward Jermaine Lawrence, who is considering St. John’s, Cincinnati and UNLV, did not attend with them.
Not a good sign.
Yea
Lets panic
No one's panicking, Moose. Just don't think it's a good sign. Yes, maybe he had another commitment, or wasnt' feeling well, or whatever, but coming on the heels of two cancellations for a visit, it's not irrational -- or panicky -- to think maybe he'd feel uncomfortable around Lavin and the team knowing he's leaning toward Cincinnati. Hope I'm wrong, but that doesn't mean I'm not feeling uneasy about his not being at the game.
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Per Zags regarding today's game vs. Seton Hall:
Pope John coach Jason Hasson attended the game with sophomore forward Moustapha Diagne and freshman point guard Bryce Aiken. Senior forward Jermaine Lawrence, who is considering St. John’s, Cincinnati and UNLV, did not attend with them.
Not a good sign.
Yea
Lets panic
No one's panicking, Moose. Just don't think it's a good sign. Yes, maybe he had another commitment, or wasnt' feeling well, or whateer, but coming on the heels of two cancellations for a visit, it's not irrational -- or panicky -- to think maybe he'd feel uncomfortable around Lavin and the team knowing he's leaning toward Cincinnati. Hope I'm worng, but that doesn't mean I'm not feeling good about his not being at the game.
What have his last actual quotes been about STJ? Nothing but positive. They are within last 2 weeks. Also when he suited up for the first time who was there? Lavin and Chiles.
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Per Zags regarding today's game vs. Seton Hall:
Pope John coach Jason Hasson attended the game with sophomore forward Moustapha Diagne and freshman point guard Bryce Aiken. Senior forward Jermaine Lawrence, who is considering St. John’s, Cincinnati and UNLV, did not attend with them.
Not a good sign.
Yea
Lets panic
No one's panicking, Moose. Just don't think it's a good sign. Yes, maybe he had another commitment, or wasnt' feeling well, or whateer, but coming on the heels of two cancellations for a visit, it's not irrational -- or panicky -- to think maybe he'd feel uncomfortable around Lavin and the team knowing he's leaning toward Cincinnati. Hope I'm worng, but that doesn't mean I'm not feeling good about his not being at the game.
What have his last actual quotes been about STJ? Nothing but positive. They are within last 2 weeks. Also when he suited up for the first time who was there? Lavin and Chiles.
Hope you're right ... and I wish I had your confidence, but I would feel better if, in his absence from the game, he tweeted that his was watching us on TV, great win, and so on (as he's done before) ... instead of the sounds of silence.
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Maybe he had too much schoolwork.
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I believe he cancelled this weekend due to another engagement. Wouldn't it make sense that he would not make the game if he couldn't make an official this weekend? Cmon fellas.
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I believe he cancelled this weekend due to another engagement. Wouldn't it make sense that he would not make the game if he couldn't make an official this weekend? Cmon fellas.
Sky is falling is more fun though.
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I believe he cancelled this weekend due to another engagement. Wouldn't it make sense that he would not make the game if he couldn't make an official this weekend? Cmon fellas.
Sky is falling is more fun though.
Fun?!!!! You call this fun, watching my blood pressure readings go off the charts? It's not fun; it's a curse.
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Everyone needs to relax. Things look good w/ Lawrence but if by chance we don't get him it's far from the end of the world.
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“@EvanDanielsFOX: Updated 2013 Top 100 ... http://t.co/gOL3UFrf (http://t.co/gOL3UFrf)”
Scout, Lawrence at 19 and Jordan at 53. Brandon Austin, Jordan's Philly rival is really blowing up. The Providence signee is #38.
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“@EvanDanielsFOX: Updated 2013 Top 100 ... http://t.co/gOL3UFrf (http://t.co/gOL3UFrf)”
Scout, Lawrence at 19 and Jordan at 53. Brandon Austin, Jordan's Philly rival is really blowing up. The Providence signee is #38.
SHU commit Aquile Carr dropped almost out of the top 100 to 98 (as been discussed unlikely to ever qualify anyway) and UNC's Nate Britt dropped out of top 100. So much for the inflated ratings when you sign with a Blue Blood.
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Ok. So I heard it was Lavin who asked the kid to postpone the visit. Don't know why. Don't know about the game.
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Is lavin using Jedi mind tricks :)
Gene Keady is like Yoda! ;D
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Is lavin using Jedi mind tricks :)
Gene Keady is like Yoda! ;D
Commit he will, Afraid no more you will be
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Ok. So I heard it was Lavin who asked the kid to postpone the visit. Don't know why. Don't know about the game.
And your source was?
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Ok. So I heard it was Lavin who asked the kid to postpone the visit. Don't know why. Don't know about the game.
And your source was?
Why ask him for his source?
If he could share it I would think he would have said so and so told me.........
Besides most people with information don't say who their source is because the source most likely won't get or give information if they are outed.
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I heard Jermaine is committing in 2 weeks.
Moose told me. lol
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I heard Jermaine is committing in 2 weeks.
Moose told me. lol
Maher being Maher
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Ok. So I heard it was Lavin who asked the kid to postpone the visit. Don't know why. Don't know about the game.
And your source was?
Why ask him for his source?
If he could share it I would think he would have said so and so told me.........
Besides most people with information don't say who their source is because the source most likely won't get or give information if they are outed.
Just think that "I heard" leaves room for doubt. As die-hard, information-hungry fans, we've all "heard" things; question is who have we heard them from? Don't need to have specifics or betray confidences, but it would be nice to validate the veracity of one's sources without revealing them. Nothing more, nothing less.
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Ok. So I heard it was Lavin who asked the kid to postpone the visit. Don't know why. Don't know about the game.
And your source was?
Why ask him for his source?
If he could share it I would think he would have said so and so told me.........
Besides most people with information don't say who their source is because the source most likely won't get or give information if they are outed.
Just think that "I heard" leaves room for doubt. As die-hard, information-hungry fans, we've all "heard" things; question is who have we heard them from?
No doubt. Lot of ppl blow smoke too. Gotta take it all in stride.
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Fwiw
“@EvanDanielsFOX: Seem to be in good shape for Lawrence RT @craiglaurasam: does he choose St John's?”
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FWIW, Maven again tweeting today, Jermaine to Cincy. Seems to be implying commitment on his birthday this Sunday. Hope he is off course.
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FWIW, Maven again tweeting today, Jermaine to Cincy. Seems to be implying commitment on his birthday this Sunday. Hope he is off course.
I hope so too. Would not be happy to see that.
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FWIW, Maven again tweeting today, Jermaine to Cincy. Seems to be implying commitment on his birthday this Sunday. Hope he is off course.
I hope so too. Would not be happy to see that.
Me either! Nice moves like these would go well with our nucleus;
“@mainestory: THROWBACK THURSDAY: @CLHTV Jermaine Lawrence Top 20 Senior - Syracuse, UNLV, St Johns or Cincinnati http://t.co/obMxcV0w (http://t.co/obMxcV0w)”
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FWIW, Maven again tweeting today, Jermaine to Cincy. Seems to be implying commitment on his birthday this Sunday. Hope he is off course.
I hope so too. Would not be happy to see that.
Doomed©
copyright of Moose
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Who is Maven?
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FWIW, Maven again tweeting today, Jermaine to Cincy. Seems to be implying commitment on his birthday this Sunday. Hope he is off course.
Hope hes wrong, at least wait for another visit Jermaine.
Didn't maven predict a Lawrence commitment to us earlier in the season?
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Maven's tweet implies the handlers got their way, and that's why he's choosing cincy.
Who to believe?
People in the know have now claimed that he's def signing with us, and def signing with Cincy.
It would be hilarious if Jermaine ends up picking UNLV or Syracuse.
But I don't see that happening.
Handlers gotta learn, STJ= a direct path to the NBA. Was true for Moe, will be true for Jakarr after next season probably.
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Maven's tweet implies the handlers got their way, and that's why he's choosing cincy.
Who to believe?
People in the know have now claimed that he's def signing with us, and def signing with Cincy.
It would be hilarious if Jermaine ends up picking UNLV or Syracuse.
But I don't see that happening.
Handlers gotta learn, STJ= a direct path to the NBA. Was true for Moe, will be true for Jakarr after next season probably.
Good points Desco. I could use a reassuring post from SJU79 right about now.
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Maven's tweet implies the handlers got their way, and that's why he's choosing cincy.
Who to believe?
People in the know have now claimed that he's def signing with us, and def signing with Cincy.
It would be hilarious if Jermaine ends up picking UNLV or Syracuse.
But I don't see that happening.
Handlers gotta learn, STJ= a direct path to the NBA. Was true for Moe, will be true for Jakarr after next season probably.
I have asked before with no answer...what do handlers get out of these relationships? And who are they normally?
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Maven's tweet implies the handlers got their way, and that's why he's choosing cincy.
Who to believe?
People in the know have now claimed that he's def signing with us, and def signing with Cincy.
It would be hilarious if Jermaine ends up picking UNLV or Syracuse.
But I don't see that happening.
Handlers gotta learn, STJ= a direct path to the NBA. Was true for Moe, will be true for Jakarr after next season probably.
I have asked before with no answer...what do handlers get out of these relationships? And who are they normally?
Normally they are not female.
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Maybe I'm crazy
But forget the rankings
We need bigs who can rebound and finish inside
Not to mention CAN shoot free throws!
We need guys who will contribute and make the team better
Not another one and done.
I hope there are some JC guys or sleepers that fit the bill
If he has to follow advisors over his own Mom
:crazy2:
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With him canceling the visit last weekend, and now this news it all makes sense. I will be really disappointed if we lose this kid. If Lavin wants to take this program to the next level you have got to land top talent like this in your own backyard. Does anyone have any info (79) that could dispute this new info? :'(
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The main issue is that we don't seem to have a bevy of other options. We really could use another PF who can score inside. If we lose Lawrence and Jordan, I'll certainly be concerned with no other real options on board. I hope this report is not correct or some wrong info. We'll find out.
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Zach B of Post feels JL will still visit SJU.
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Maven's tweet implies the handlers got their way, and that's why he's choosing cincy.
Who to believe?
People in the know have now claimed that he's def signing with us, and def signing with Cincy.
It would be hilarious if Jermaine ends up picking UNLV or Syracuse.
But I don't see that happening.
Handlers gotta learn, STJ= a direct path to the NBA. Was true for Moe, will be true for Jakarr after next season probably.
I have asked before with no answer...what do handlers get out of these relationships? And who are they normally?
So this is kind've sensitive territory, and every person's relationships are unique, but I've always understood them to be like middlemen between the family and people that want to talk to the family/kid.
Lot of people want to get near a kid with a promising career, they kind of provide that buffer. AAU coaches want him to play with their program... talk to Larry. All Star Game organizer wants the kid to play in his event.... talk to Larry. Prep School coaches trying to lure the kid... talk to Larry. And when an assistant coach from Alaska St wants to gauge the kids interest, schedule an unofficial visit, or whatever, he can only call the kid directly so many times and for a certain period, so... he calls Larry.
Maybe Larry is someone from the neighborhood who went through the process when his brother was being recruited, maybe he's a former summer league coach.. everybody's situation is different, but the bottom line is some families have a family friend that helps them through the process. In some ways I can see how that's helpful, and in other respects you could say it's clearly leaching off a young man.
What does the adviser get out of it? That's a trickier question.. the cynics will say maybe an assistant coaching job down the road, money under the table, or he becomes the kid's 'manager' two years later when he's drafted. Maybe nothing in some cases.
Let me be clear, I'm not accusing ANYONE of anything. Just saying that's a summary. There are others on the board who could tell you more and give you specifics, but it's probably in everyone's best interest if they don't.
Feel free to add to what I said - I don't portend to know everything, or even a lot.
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Maven and Naclerio = best buds. There is a reason he is doing this and yes he is still scheduled to visit .
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Maven and Naclerio = best buds. There is a reason he is doing this and yes he is still scheduled to visit .
Thanks Happy. That makes more sense.
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Btw, who announces on Super Bowl Sunday? Even if it is your birthday, that's still a little strange.
And Lavin doesn't seem to be worrying, so I'll trust his judgement. Remember, he came right out and said a few weeks ago that we may not sign anyone. Either he thinks we'll land Jermaine/Rhyseed, or he's not worried about filling that last scholarship.
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Maven and Naclerio = best buds. There is a reason he is doing this and yes he is still scheduled to visit .
Thanks Happy. That makes more sense.
Who is Naclerio?
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This whole recruiting saga is strange. Prevailing theory seems to be family desire (SJU) v. handler's (Who knows?)
I would not be surprised either way, just my opinion.
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Maven and Naclerio = best buds. There is a reason he is doing this and yes he is still scheduled to visit .
Thanks Happy. That makes more sense.
Who is Naclerio?
Jermaine's old coach at Cardozo .. Who has done us no favors IMO
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Maven and Naclerio = best buds. There is a reason he is doing this and yes he is still scheduled to visit .
Thanks Happy. That makes more sense.
Who is Naclerio?
Jermaine's old coach at Cardozo .. Who has done us no favors IMO
Agree with that Happy!
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Maven and Naclerio = best buds. There is a reason he is doing this and yes he is still scheduled to visit .
Thanks Happy. That makes more sense.
Who is Naclerio?
Jermaine's old coach at Cardozo .. Who has done us no favors IMO
Agree with that Happy!
Is he an STJ grad? or am I making that up
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Maven and Naclerio = best buds. There is a reason he is doing this and yes he is still scheduled to visit .
Thanks Happy. That makes more sense.
Who is Naclerio?
Jermaine's old coach at Cardozo .. Who has done us no favors IMO
Agree with that Happy!
Is he an STJ grad? or am I making that up
Yes, played baseball.
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Maven and Naclerio = best buds. There is a reason he is doing this and yes he is still scheduled to visit .
Thanks Happy. That makes more sense.
Who is Naclerio?
Jermaine's old coach at Cardozo .. Who has done us no favors IMO
Agree with that Happy!
Is he an STJ grad? or am I making that up
Yes. He's always thought he deserves a place on the staff and when Norm didn't hire him what was a tenuous relationship with the school got even worse or at least that's what those posters connected to the NY basketball scene have implied.
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Maven and Naclerio = best buds. There is a reason he is doing this and yes he is still scheduled to visit .
Thanks Happy. That makes more sense.
Who is Naclerio?
Jermaine's old coach at Cardozo .. Who has done us no favors IMO
Agree with that Happy!
Is he an STJ grad? or am I making that up
Yes. He's always thought he deserves a place on the staff and when Norm didn't hire him what was a tenuous relationship with the school got even worse or at least that's what those posters connected to the NY basketball scene have implied.
We learned right away just how dumb Norm was when he ignored the chance to add a prominent NYC high school coach to the staff. He should have been blackballed from coaching for that alone.
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Maven still posts "exclusives"?
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Who is Maven?
I think he is that old hockey analyst on MSG. The guy with the beard.
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Maven's tweet implies the handlers got their way, and that's why he's choosing cincy.
Who to believe?
People in the know have now claimed that he's def signing with us, and def signing with Cincy.
It would be hilarious if Jermaine ends up picking UNLV or Syracuse.
But I don't see that happening.
Handlers gotta learn, STJ= a direct path to the NBA. Was true for Moe, will be true for Jakarr after next season probably.
I have asked before with no answer...what do handlers get out of these relationships? And who are they normally?
Hopefully good seats in an NBA arena. Maybe even next to Spike Lee.
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Btw, who announces on Super Bowl Sunday? Even if it is your birthday, that's still a little strange.
And Lavin doesn't seem to be worrying, so I'll trust his judgement. Remember, he came right out and said a few weeks ago that we may not sign anyone. Either he thinks we'll land Jermaine/Rhyseed, or he's not worried about filling that last scholarship.
Why should he be worried? He's got Sir Dom for two more years. Jordan or Lawrence are nuts not to sign up to play on the same team with Sir Dom.
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I know Maven usually has good information, and his connection to Mini-me Fran Savino, among others, means that he probably had legit knowledge to go public with this tweet. But we heard what SJU79 said on this board. Let's all remember the back and forth stuff we heard about Jakar last year before he popped for us. Let's just wait and see how it plays out.
If Lawrence doesn't come, I'd love to see the staff grab a JUCO big man. We should be fine at the guard and forward spots, because I think everyone is coming back.
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I haven't heard anything and this is something I'd normally hear about. I wouldn't be shocked if it were true but after doing some digging today, everyone that I reached out to didn't hear anything about this and was surprised when I brought it up so I wouldn't get too worked up.
Recruiting is funny because sometimes things change quicker than the weather in Florida.
I'd expect Lawrence to announce near Spring signing period not now.
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I haven't heard anything and this is something I'd normally hear about. I wouldn't be shocked if it were true but after doing some digging today, everyone that I reached out to didn't hear anything about this and was surprised when I brought it up so I wouldn't get too worked up.
Recruiting is funny because sometimes things change quicker than the weather in Florida.
I'd expect Lawrence to announce near Spring signing period not now.
Thanks Dave, good to hear.
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Naclerio is a snake-oil salesman who I wouldn't want within a 1,000 yards of this program. We can knock Norm for a lot of his choices, but not bringing Naclerio was not one of them.
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Naclerio is a snake-oil salesman who I wouldn't want within a 1,000 yards of this program. We can knock Norm for a lot of his choices, but not bringing Naclerio was not one of them.
Norm brought in no one
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Should we not land Jermaine and Jordan, next year's recruiting, stating the obvious, is huge. Assuming we keep everyone here for next year, we will have a contending squad IMO, but our vulnerability going forward will be considerable. Who would be shocked if CO, JS, and D'Lo left after next season? Filling that void,with even solid freshmen, would still put us in yet another transitional year. I have great confidence in staff. That said, I look forward to the day we have a more manageable recruiting scheme to ensure we are consistently competitive on a national basis. No "doomed" responses desired! Ha! Let's get Lawrence and I won't be the Board's "Nervous Nellie"!
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think he is that old hockey analyst on MSG. The guy with the beard.
He used to post on Redmen and BEB. Very combative poster(I met him and liked him and his son for what it is worth)he was connected to HS and college basketball. I haven't seen him in a few years, but he was usually correct on his "predictions" or "exclusives" as he used to call them. If I was laying money I say Lawrence is going to Cincy.
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Should we not land Jermaine and Jordan, next year's recruiting, stating the obvious, is huge. Assuming we keep everyone here for next year, we will have a contending squad IMO, but our vulnerability going forward will be considerable. Who would be shocked if CO, JS, and D'Lo left after next season? Filling that void,with even solid freshmen, would still put us in yet another transitional year. I have great confidence in staff. That said, I look forward to the day we have a more manageable recruiting scheme to ensure we are consistently competitive on a national basis. No "doomed" responses desired! Ha! Let's get Lawrence and I won't be the Board's "Nervous Nellie"!
It's definitely a tough situation, got to land Lawrence and Jordan would be gravy. If you have ships for Sanchez, Marco, Gift, Dee, Sampson, and possibly Obekpa for 2014 we are in big trouble considering how we have recruited the 2014 class and with Branch, Greene, Pointer, and Garrett the following year that is 10 ships to give for 2014 and 2015.
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Should we not land Jermaine and Jordan, next year's recruiting, stating the obvious, is huge. Assuming we keep everyone here for next year, we will have a contending squad IMO, but our vulnerability going forward will be considerable. Who would be shocked if CO, JS, and D'Lo left after next season? Filling that void,with even solid freshmen, would still put us in yet another transitional year. I have great confidence in staff. That said, I look forward to the day we have a more manageable recruiting scheme to ensure we are consistently competitive on a national basis. No "doomed" responses desired! Ha! Let's get Lawrence and I won't be the Board's "Nervous Nellie"!
at this point, im expecting to land neither jermaine nor jordan. but actually do not think that's a horrible outcome. if we brought in either or both, id assume that we'd see a meaningful departure (Amir? Phil?). i also want to see felix get more minutes next year - he appears to have tremendous upside. plus gift is back.
reverse jinx complete.
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Should we not land Jermaine and Jordan, next year's recruiting, stating the obvious, is huge. Assuming we keep everyone here for next year, we will have a contending squad IMO, but our vulnerability going forward will be considerable. Who would be shocked if CO, JS, and D'Lo left after next season? Filling that void,with even solid freshmen, would still put us in yet another transitional year. I have great confidence in staff. That said, I look forward to the day we have a more manageable recruiting scheme to ensure we are consistently competitive on a national basis. No "doomed" responses desired! Ha! Let's get Lawrence and I won't be the Board's "Nervous Nellie"!
at this point, im expecting to land neither jermaine nor jordan. but actually do not think that's a horrible outcome. if we brought in either or both, id assume that we'd see a meaningful departure (Amir? Phil?). i also want to see felix get more minutes next year - he appears to have tremendous upside. plus gift is back.
reverse jinx complete.
I don't see a transfer of one of our rotation guys for next year. I can see Marco or Jones leaving. Felix I believe is happy at St Johns playing with Obekpa so he won't leave.
I would be pretty upset if Amir left as I believe his best basketball will come as a junior and senior.
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Also Naclerio has nothing to do with Lawrence's recruitment. Good, bad, or otherwise he holds zero weight.
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but where do amir and phil stand if we bring in jermaine and jordan?
my point was, for next season, amir + phil are arguably more valuable than jermaine and jordan assuming everyone else stays. so losing out on these recruits actually is not that bad provided the staff takes care of 2014 and beyond
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I'll summarize what I've heard from a source to a family member. I posted a week or so ago. This still holds.
JL has a slight lean toward Cincy
Family and handlers are pushing us
JL LOVED Vegas but mom squashed that real quick.
Lavin postponed this recent visit.
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Btw, who announces on Super Bowl Sunday? Even if it is your birthday, that's still a little strange.
And Lavin doesn't seem to be worrying, so I'll trust his judgement. Remember, he came right out and said a few weeks ago that we may not sign anyone. Either he thinks we'll land Jermaine/Rhyseed, or he's not worried about filling that last scholarship.
Why should he be worried? He's got Sir Dom for two more years. Jordan or Lawrence are nuts not to sign up to play on the same team with Sir Dom.
May have sounded silly over the summer, but your right. The kid jumps in the ditch and digs all day. An elite athlete who is willing to defend, rebound and fight. A scorers dream teammate
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Also Naclerio has nothing to do with Lawrence's recruitment. Good, bad, or otherwise he holds zero weight.
That's been obvious for some time. A couple of months ago RN told me he had not spoken to JL since he left Cardoza.
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Ok. So I heard it was Lavin who asked the kid to postpone the visit. Don't know why. Don't know about the game.
And your source was?
Why ask him for his source?
If he could share it I would think he would have said so and so told me.........
Besides most people with information don't say who their source is because the source most likely won't get or give information if they are outed.
who needs bad information? without the source, the information has proven more often than not to be worthless.
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I'll summarize what I've heard from a source to a family member. I posted a week or so ago. This still holds.
JL has a slight lean toward Cincy
Family and handlers are pushing us
JL LOVED Vegas but mom squashed that real quick.
Lavin postponed this recent visit.
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No doubt what you heard is accurate, but it conflicts with what others have said about JL/his family wanting St. John's, and the handlers pushing Cincy.
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Also I still believe that D-Lo will be here 4 years refining his game, as it gives him the best shot at making the league IMO. And unless Obekpa improves massively on his low post defense and overall offensive game, he isn't going anywhere after the 2014 season either.
If this staff has shown anything, it is that they know how to recruit. I think that we'll be fine re: the 2014 class at the end of the day (maybe its a mix of JUCO's and frosh, and don't forget transfers).
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SJU79 - any further observations on the situation?
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Ok. So I heard it was Lavin who asked the kid to postpone the visit. Don't know why. Don't know about the game.
And your source was?
Why ask him for his source?
If he could share it I would think he would have said so and so told me.........
Besides most people with information don't say who their source is because the source most likely won't get or give information if they are outed.
who needs bad information? without the source, the information has proven more often than not to be worthless.
You worked in news. We've been thru this a number of times. The internet and message boards are NOT the news your familiar with. You had to tell you editor your source right? Just so they knew and were comfortable. You didn't publish who it was but still needed to vet it. Thats not the case here. and thats all I'm saying. If I posted who told me stuff I would never get information again.
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No doubt what you heard is accurate, but it conflicts with what others have said about JL/his family wanting St. John's, and the handlers pushing Cincy.
Correct. The handlers are NOT pushing STJ by any means. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong.
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What I heard last night
1) Mom wants SJU....period
2) This kid is all kinds if confused and he himself has no clue what to do
3) Dont know who started this Feb 3rd thing and it might happen but havent heard ANYTHING about it from people that would know
4) Coaches want this kid but dont feel hes the MUST get that Jakkar and Chris were for whatever reason
By all accounts hes a good kid and sort of a symbol of todays recruiting world with everybody having there own agenda with him. I wish him piece of mind where ever he ends up.
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I'll summarize what I've heard from a source to a family member. I posted a week or so ago. This still holds.
JL has a slight lean toward Cincy
Family and handlers are pushing us
JL LOVED Vegas but mom squashed that real quick.
Lavin postponed this recent visit.
Cincinnati would make me raise an eyebrow. There's money if he's going there.
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does anyone think that maybe, just maybe, Maven is trying to stir the pot just to get attention? i don't know the guy personally but have followed his posts for years. seems like the type of guy who just needs the attention.
and with his recent tweet, we've all fallen into his trap...
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does anyone think that maybe, just maybe, Maven is trying to stir the pot just to get attention? i don't know the guy personally but have followed his posts for years. seems like the type of guy who just needs the attention.
and with his recent tweet, we've all fallen into his trap...
I under no circumstance think he posted that to get attention. He posted what someone told him. He has many sources and friends. Whether what was told him is accurate is another story. I wouldn't be shocked if he is right. I hope he is wrong on this one but I have always trusted what he has shared with posters at redmen.com and now on twitter.
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I under no circumstance think he posted that to get attention. He posted what someone told him. He has many sources and friends. Whether what was told him is accurate is another story. I wouldn't be shocked if he is right. I hope he is wrong on this one but I have always trusted what he has shared with posters at redmen.com and now on twitter.
What he said
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I under no circumstance think he posted that to get attention. He posted what someone told him. He has many sources and friends. Whether what was told him is accurate is another story. I wouldn't be shocked if he is right. I hope he is wrong on this one but I have always trusted what he has shared with posters at redmen.com and now on twitter.
What he said
Like Ted said he's not stirring the pot.
But there is a definite history between him and the handler so that might be played against him and what he's hearing.
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The Maven could very well be right as of today but wrong as of tomorrow.
In many cases these situations change from day to day.
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The Maven could very well be right as of today but wrong as of tomorrow.
In many cases these situations change from day to day.
ie Chris Obekpa
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Maven and Naclerio = best buds. There is a reason he is doing this and yes he is still scheduled to visit .
Thanks Happy. That makes more sense.
Who is Naclerio?
Jermaine's old coach at Cardozo .. Who has done us no favors IMO
Agree with that Happy!
Is he an STJ grad? or am I making that up
Yes. He's always thought he deserves a place on the staff and when Norm didn't hire him what was a tenuous relationship with the school got even worse or at least that's what those posters connected to the NY basketball scene have implied.
We learned right away just how dumb Norm was when he ignored the chance to add a prominent NYC high school coach to the staff. He should have been blackballed from coaching for that alone.
naclerio dresses like a homeless guy...but his reputation is that he improves his players. this is exactly what norm needed. instead, he chose to hire personal friends who did little to help the program...or save his job.
he may be steering his players away. i asked him about james southerland.. he told me syracuse was always his dream school.
nba players still work out with naclerio. he's respected. we should have brought him on board instead of hicks. i'm not sure what he's doing at sju. he was supposed to be a pipeline.
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Ok. So I heard it was Lavin who asked the kid to postpone the visit. Don't know why. Don't know about the game.
And your source was?
Why ask him for his source?
If he could share it I would think he would have said so and so told me.........
Besides most people with information don't say who their source is because the source most likely won't get or give information if they are outed.
who needs bad information? without the source, the information has proven more often than not to be worthless.
You worked in news. We've been thru this a number of times. The internet and message boards are NOT the news your familiar with. You had to tell you editor your source right? Just so they knew and were comfortable. You didn't publish who it was but still needed to vet it. Thats not the case here. and thats all I'm saying. If I posted who told me stuff I would never get information again.
i completely agree. admit, though, you'd be more comfortable if someone wrote...as derk did...a source close to the family...or a friend at carnesecca arena...or an assistant coach. there's so much bad information, that no one believes anything, anymore.
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Ok. So I heard it was Lavin who asked the kid to postpone the visit. Don't know why. Don't know about the game.
And your source was?
Why ask him for his source?
If he could share it I would think he would have said so and so told me.........
Besides most people with information don't say who their source is because the source most likely won't get or give information if they are outed.
who needs bad information? without the source, the information has proven more often than not to be worthless.
You worked in news. We've been thru this a number of times. The internet and message boards are NOT the news your familiar with. You had to tell you editor your source right? Just so they knew and were comfortable. You didn't publish who it was but still needed to vet it. Thats not the case here. and thats all I'm saying. If I posted who told me stuff I would never get information again.
i completely agree. admit, though, you'd be more comfortable if someone wrote...as derk did...a source close to the family...or a friend at carnesecca arena...or an assistant coach. there's so much bad information, that no one believes anything, anymore.
Well if thats all you want I think thats fine. A source close to STJ. A source close to the family. A source close to the handler. That stuff is fine.
I have a pretty good grasp on who tells me what. I don't get too high or too low. I have seen how crazy recruitments have been.
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LAWRENCE STILL IN LIMBO
Jermaine Lawrence has returned to the court at Sparta (N.J.) Pope John XXIII after missing the first half of the season with a hand injury.
His birthday is Sunday but he is not expected to announce then.
“He’s not announcing Sunday as far as I know,” Pope John coach Jason Hasson told SNY.tv.
The Queens native is considering St. John’s, Cincinnati and UNLV and is expected to visit St. John’s one more time before announcing.
http://zagsblog.com/recruiting/recruiting-rundown-keith-frazier-visiting-smu-julius-randle-on-n-c-state-jermaine-lawrence-still-undecided/ (http://zagsblog.com/recruiting/recruiting-rundown-keith-frazier-visiting-smu-julius-randle-on-n-c-state-jermaine-lawrence-still-undecided/)
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Maven and Naclerio = best buds. There is a reason he is doing this and yes he is still scheduled to visit .
Thanks Happy. That makes more sense.
Who is Naclerio?
Jermaine's old coach at Cardozo .. Who has done us no favors IMO
Agree with that Happy!
Is he an STJ grad? or am I making that up
Yes. He's always thought he deserves a place on the staff and when Norm didn't hire him what was a tenuous relationship with the school got even worse or at least that's what those posters connected to the NY basketball scene have implied.
We learned right away just how dumb Norm was when he ignored the chance to add a prominent NYC high school coach to the staff. He should have been blackballed from coaching for that alone.
naclerio dresses like a homeless guy...but his reputation is that he improves his players. this is exactly what norm needed. instead, he chose to hire personal friends who did little to help the program...or save his job.
he may be steering his players away. i asked him about james southerland.. he told me syracuse was always his dream school.
nba players still work out with naclerio. he's respected. we should have brought him on board instead of hicks. i'm not sure what he's doing at sju. he was supposed to be a pipeline.
It's not passing on Naclerio that did Norm in, it was passing on everyone. At the time, NYC may not have been producing a dozen lottery picks, but Norm lost a lot of players from the city that we needed. Just about everyone. The only one he landed was Hardy, and Norm didn't even know what he had.
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does anyone think that maybe, just maybe, Maven is trying to stir the pot just to get attention? i don't know the guy personally but have followed his posts for years. seems like the type of guy who just needs the attention.
and with his recent tweet, we've all fallen into his trap...
I under no circumstance think he posted that to get attention. He posted what someone told him. He has many sources and friends. Whether what was told him is accurate is another story. I wouldn't be shocked if he is right. I hope he is wrong on this one but I have always trusted what he has shared with posters at redmen.com and now on twitter.
From personal contact, totally agree Ted.
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I'm sticking with SJU '79. He told us already what he knows. No need for him to come back and say same thing again.
If anything changes, I'm sure he will let us know.
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What I can gather, both SJU79 and Maven are reliable sources. Kids change their mind all the time. Well just have to wait it out. Id love to get Lawrence, but if nobody jumps to the pros well be in good shape next year regardless.
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What I can gather, both SJU79 and Maven are reliable sources. Kids change their mind all the time. Well just have to wait it out. Id love to get Lawrence, but if nobody jumps to the pros well be in good shape next year regardless.
Agreed, but if we don't land anyone from 2013 class, the pressure is on to score some major 2014 recruits, or else we will be in the same boat that Norm left us in: needing to fill a lot of spots in 2 years with freshman and JUCOs.
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It's not passing on Naclerio that did Norm in, it was passing on everyone. At the time, NYC may not have been producing a dozen lottery picks, but Norm lost a lot of players from the city that we needed. Just about everyone. The only one he landed was Hardy, and Norm didn't even know what he had.
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Not to defend Norm, but Burrell was a good get (and would have been better with a different staff for four years), and from what everyone says Rob Thomas pre-injury was a legitimate top recruit. Omari also got recruited by some big boys but apparently got out of shape and was never the player everyone thought he might be. The problem with Norm was not only did he not get enough of the good NYC players (or the top ones, as we have done recently with Harkless and Obekpa), but he didn't compensate that loss by getting highly ranked guys from outside NYC.
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Also Naclerio has nothing to do with Lawrence's recruitment. Good, bad, or otherwise he holds zero weight.
I initially mentioned Naclerio as a starting point to Mavens hostility towards Jermaine's handler and yes he has no input . He couldn't even keep Jermaine on his team.
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Also Naclerio has nothing to do with Lawrence's recruitment. Good, bad, or otherwise he holds zero weight.
I initially mentioned Naclerio as a starting point to Mavens hostility towards Jermaine's handler and yes he has no input . He couldn't even keep Jermaine on his team.
Yeah a lot of kids that are friends with jermaine said the pub to him once he left cardoza was over whelming to him, he held it against naclerio that none of tha Stuff was happening while at dozo but suddenly happened once he left.
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It's not passing on Naclerio that did Norm in, it was passing on everyone. At the time, NYC may not have been producing a dozen lottery picks, but Norm lost a lot of players from the city that we needed. Just about everyone. The only one he landed was Hardy, and Norm didn't even know what he had.
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Not to defend Norm, but Burrell was a good get (and would have been better with a different staff for four years), and from what everyone says Rob Thomas pre-injury was a legitimate top recruit. Omari also got recruited by some big boys but apparently got out of shape and was never the player everyone thought he might be. The problem with Norm was not only did he not get enough of the good NYC players (or the top ones, as we have done recently with Harkless and Obekpa), but he didn't compensate that loss by getting highly ranked guys from outside NYC.
In their high school rankings yes, but Norm's eye for talent and judgement overall was horrible. Yes, Hardy, Burrell, DJ and Brownlee all went out on a positive note, but they were basically 6 years in. Ricky Torres was a fringe top 100 prospect. He was barely a D1 player. As was Ryan Williams.
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think he is that old hockey analyst on MSG. The guy with the beard.
He used to post on Redmen and BEB. Very combative poster(I met him and liked him and his son for what it is worth)he was connected to HS and college basketball. I haven't seen him in a few years, but he was usually correct on his "predictions" or "exclusives" as he used to call them. If I was laying money I say Lawrence is going to Cincy.
Safe to assume you are referring to Maven. I saw him at CA for the Depaul game. He seems to be well connected and has had good information in the past. Who knows what he knows about JL---or whether there is a bias toward Savino.
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Where is Maven posting now? Kind of miss his imputs!
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From what I heard after Hardy came in from JUCO, Norm had been interested in him out of HS but he didn't have the grades. Fortunately, he came back.
As for Naclerio, if you've never seen him on the sidelines, the guy is nuts. A few years back, the father of one of his players actually deck him in the face. No excuse for violence but that's the kind of reaction Naclerio's antics could elicit. I don't see him being the dutiful assistant on anyone's bench (unless he's mellowed in the last few years). Good, not great, HS coach. Not worth the headache.
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Where is Maven posting now? Kind of miss his imputs!
Nowhere. Follow him on Twitter.
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From what I heard after Hardy came in from JUCO, Norm had been interested in him out of HS but he didn't have the grades. Fortunately, he came back.
As for Naclerio, if you've never seen him on the sidelines, the guy is nuts. A few years back, the father of one of his players actually deck him in the face. No excuse for violence but that's the kind of reaction Naclerio's antics could elicit. I don't see him being the dutiful assistant on anyone's bench (unless he's mellowed in the last few years). Good, not great, HS coach. Not worth the headache.
If Norm landed harded out of HS the board would have killed Norm. Hardy wasn't ranked anywhere coming out of HS.
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It's not passing on Naclerio that did Norm in, it was passing on everyone. At the time, NYC may not have been producing a dozen lottery picks, but Norm lost a lot of players from the city that we needed. Just about everyone. The only one he landed was Hardy, and Norm didn't even know what he had.
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Not to defend Norm, but Burrell was a good get (and would have been better with a different staff for four years), and from what everyone says Rob Thomas pre-injury was a legitimate top recruit. Omari also got recruited by some big boys but apparently got out of shape and was never the player everyone thought he might be. The problem with Norm was not only did he not get enough of the good NYC players (or the top ones, as we have done recently with Harkless and Obekpa), but he didn't compensate that loss by getting highly ranked guys from outside NYC.
In their high school rankings yes, but Norm's eye for talent and judgement overall was horrible. Yes, Hardy, Burrell, DJ and Brownlee all went out on a positive note, but they were basically 6 years in. Ricky Torres was a fringe top 100 prospect. He was barely a D1 player. As was Ryan Williams.
Norms biggest downfall was not recruiting Charles Jenkins every basketball circle around the area says it till this day, if he would have did that norm might still have a job at SJU.... I mean to say he did recruit Charles but didn't pursue him strong enough and instead put all his eggs in the Malcolm grant basket. And we see how that turned out.
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It's not passing on Naclerio that did Norm in, it was passing on everyone. At the time, NYC may not have been producing a dozen lottery picks, but Norm lost a lot of players from the city that we needed. Just about everyone. The only one he landed was Hardy, and Norm didn't even know what he had.
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Not to defend Norm, but Burrell was a good get (and would have been better with a different staff for four years), and from what everyone says Rob Thomas pre-injury was a legitimate top recruit. Omari also got recruited by some big boys but apparently got out of shape and was never the player everyone thought he might be. The problem with Norm was not only did he not get enough of the good NYC players (or the top ones, as we have done recently with Harkless and Obekpa), but he didn't compensate that loss by getting highly ranked guys from outside NYC.
In their high school rankings yes, but Norm's eye for talent and judgement overall was horrible. Yes, Hardy, Burrell, DJ and Brownlee all went out on a positive note, but they were basically 6 years in. Ricky Torres was a fringe top 100 prospect. He was barely a D1 player. As was Ryan Williams.
Norms biggest downfall was not recruiting Charles Jenkins every basketball circle around the area says it till this day, if he would have did that norm might still have a job at SJU.... I mean to say he did recruit Charles but didn't pursue him strong enough and instead put all his eggs in the Malcolm grant basket. And we see how that turned out.
Wasn't it Larry Wright over him too?
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It's not passing on Naclerio that did Norm in, it was passing on everyone. At the time, NYC may not have been producing a dozen lottery picks, but Norm lost a lot of players from the city that we needed. Just about everyone. The only one he landed was Hardy, and Norm didn't even know what he had.
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Not to defend Norm, but Burrell was a good get (and would have been better with a different staff for four years), and from what everyone says Rob Thomas pre-injury was a legitimate top recruit. Omari also got recruited by some big boys but apparently got out of shape and was never the player everyone thought he might be. The problem with Norm was not only did he not get enough of the good NYC players (or the top ones, as we have done recently with Harkless and Obekpa), but he didn't compensate that loss by getting highly ranked guys from outside NYC.
In their high school rankings yes, but Norm's eye for talent and judgement overall was horrible. Yes, Hardy, Burrell, DJ and Brownlee all went out on a positive note, but they were basically 6 years in. Ricky Torres was a fringe top 100 prospect. He was barely a D1 player. As was Ryan Williams.
Norms biggest downfall was not recruiting Charles Jenkins every basketball circle around the area says it till this day, if he would have did that norm might still have a job at SJU.... I mean to say he did recruit Charles but didn't pursue him strong enough and instead put all his eggs in the Malcolm grant basket. And we see how that turned out.
Wasn't it Larry Wright over him too?
Yup good ole Norm, at his best
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norm had many downfalls...like turning his back on kilpatrick after he verballed to us...did poorly on the sat and reopened his recruiting...then apologized and said st john's was always his dream school.
both are in good places...norm at self's side in a major program and kilpatrick lighting up the big east at cincinnati.
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norm had many downfalls...like turning his back on kilpatrick after he verballed to us...did poorly on the sat and reopened his recruiting...then apologized and said st john's was always his dream school.
both are in good places...norm at self's side in a major program and kilpatrick lighting up the big east at cincinnati.
But I think we got Hardy after Sean couldnt make it. Things worked out there I think.
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From what I heard after Hardy came in from JUCO, Norm had been interested in him out of HS but he didn't have the grades. Fortunately, he came back.
As for Naclerio, if you've never seen him on the sidelines, the guy is nuts. A few years back, the father of one of his players actually deck him in the face. No excuse for violence but that's the kind of reaction Naclerio's antics could elicit. I don't see him being the dutiful assistant on anyone's bench (unless he's mellowed in the last few years). Good, not great, HS coach. Not worth the headache.
If Norm landed harded out of HS the board would have killed Norm. Hardy wasn't ranked anywhere coming out of HS.
He averaged 37 pts. as a Sr. I wouldn't have complained. But then, I drank the kool aid until almost the bitter end.
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From what I heard after Hardy came in from JUCO, Norm had been interested in him out of HS but he didn't have the grades. Fortunately, he came back.
As for Naclerio, if you've never seen him on the sidelines, the guy is nuts. A few years back, the father of one of his players actually deck him in the face. No excuse for violence but that's the kind of reaction Naclerio's antics could elicit. I don't see him being the dutiful assistant on anyone's bench (unless he's mellowed in the last few years). Good, not great, HS coach. Not worth the headache.
If Norm landed harded out of HS the board would have killed Norm. Hardy wasn't ranked anywhere coming out of HS.
He averaged 37 pts. as a Sr. I wouldn't have complained. But then, I drank the kool aid until almost the bitter end.
37 ppg in the PSAL though? I'll be honest those Norm years are a blur and thank god they are but I don't recall him being mentioned in recruiting circles at all. Might have been grades were so bad nobody bothered to rank him and such. But then again you have people like Lenny Cooke ranked to the very end.
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From what I heard after Hardy came in from JUCO, Norm had been interested in him out of HS but he didn't have the grades. Fortunately, he came back.
As for Naclerio, if you've never seen him on the sidelines, the guy is nuts. A few years back, the father of one of his players actually deck him in the face. No excuse for violence but that's the kind of reaction Naclerio's antics could elicit. I don't see him being the dutiful assistant on anyone's bench (unless he's mellowed in the last few years). Good, not great, HS coach. Not worth the headache.
If Norm landed harded out of HS the board would have killed Norm. Hardy wasn't ranked anywhere coming out of HS.
He averaged 37 pts. as a Sr. I wouldn't have complained. But then, I drank the kool aid until almost the bitter end.
Norm was on Hardy coming out of HS (as per Dwight's coach) but it took a prep year and JC to get the academics in order.
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It's not passing on Naclerio that did Norm in, it was passing on everyone. At the time, NYC may not have been producing a dozen lottery picks, but Norm lost a lot of players from the city that we needed. Just about everyone. The only one he landed was Hardy, and Norm didn't even know what he had.
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Not to defend Norm, but Burrell was a good get (and would have been better with a different staff for four years), and from what everyone says Rob Thomas pre-injury was a legitimate top recruit. Omari also got recruited by some big boys but apparently got out of shape and was never the player everyone thought he might be. The problem with Norm was not only did he not get enough of the good NYC players (or the top ones, as we have done recently with Harkless and Obekpa), but he didn't compensate that loss by getting highly ranked guys from outside NYC.
In their high school rankings yes, but Norm's eye for talent and judgement overall was horrible. Yes, Hardy, Burrell, DJ and Brownlee all went out on a positive note, but they were basically 6 years in. Ricky Torres was a fringe top 100 prospect. He was barely a D1 player. As was Ryan Williams.
Norms biggest downfall was not recruiting Charles Jenkins every basketball circle around the area says it till this day, if he would have did that norm might still have a job at SJU.... I mean to say he did recruit Charles but didn't pursue him strong enough and instead put all his eggs in the Malcolm grant basket. And we see how that turned out.
Charles Jenkins, Michael Glover, Darryl Bryant, Scott Machado.
He probably could have had all of those guys. Imagine a starting 5 of Machado, Hardy, Jenkins, Glover and DJ.
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It's time to let go of Norm, and Maven's info is wrong.
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It's not passing on Naclerio that did Norm in, it was passing on everyone. At the time, NYC may not have been producing a dozen lottery picks, but Norm lost a lot of players from the city that we needed. Just about everyone. The only one he landed was Hardy, and Norm didn't even know what he had.
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Not to defend Norm, but Burrell was a good get (and would have been better with a different staff for four years), and from what everyone says Rob Thomas pre-injury was a legitimate top recruit. Omari also got recruited by some big boys but apparently got out of shape and was never the player everyone thought he might be. The problem with Norm was not only did he not get enough of the good NYC players (or the top ones, as we have done recently with Harkless and Obekpa), but he didn't compensate that loss by getting highly ranked guys from outside NYC.
In their high school rankings yes, but Norm's eye for talent and judgement overall was horrible. Yes, Hardy, Burrell, DJ and Brownlee all went out on a positive note, but they were basically 6 years in. Ricky Torres was a fringe top 100 prospect. He was barely a D1 player. As was Ryan Williams.
Norms biggest downfall was not recruiting Charles Jenkins every basketball circle around the area says it till this day, if he would have did that norm might still have a job at SJU.... I mean to say he did recruit Charles but didn't pursue him strong enough and instead put all his eggs in the Malcolm grant basket. And we see how that turned out.
Charles Jenkins, Michael Glover, Darryl Bryant, Scott Machado.
He probably could have had all of those guys. Imagine a starting 5 of Machado, Hardy, Jenkins, Glover and DJ.
Don't ever recall Glover or Machado as part of any STJ convo. Then again Machado wasn't really highly ranked again the natives probably would have revolted.
Lets try to keep the threads on topic though please.
I don't know but start a recruiting miss thread maybe in the main forum.
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It's not passing on Naclerio that did Norm in, it was passing on everyone. At the time, NYC may not have been producing a dozen lottery picks, but Norm lost a lot of players from the city that we needed. Just about everyone. The only one he landed was Hardy, and Norm didn't even know what he had.
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Not to defend Norm, but Burrell was a good get (and would have been better with a different staff for four years), and from what everyone says Rob Thomas pre-injury was a legitimate top recruit. Omari also got recruited by some big boys but apparently got out of shape and was never the player everyone thought he might be. The problem with Norm was not only did he not get enough of the good NYC players (or the top ones, as we have done recently with Harkless and Obekpa), but he didn't compensate that loss by getting highly ranked guys from outside NYC.
In their high school rankings yes, but Norm's eye for talent and judgement overall was horrible. Yes, Hardy, Burrell, DJ and Brownlee all went out on a positive note, but they were basically 6 years in. Ricky Torres was a fringe top 100 prospect. He was barely a D1 player. As was Ryan Williams.
Norms biggest downfall was not recruiting Charles Jenkins every basketball circle around the area says it till this day, if he would have did that norm might still have a job at SJU.... I mean to say he did recruit Charles but didn't pursue him strong enough and instead put all his eggs in the Malcolm grant basket. And we see how that turned out.
Charles Jenkins, Michael Glover, Darryl Bryant, Scott Machado.
He probably could have had all of those guys. Imagine a starting 5 of Machado, Hardy, Jenkins, Glover and DJ.
Don't ever recall Glover or Machado as part of any STJ convo. Then again Machado wasn't really highly ranked again the natives probably would have revolted.
Lets try to keep the threads on topic though please.
I don't know but start a recruiting miss thread maybe in the main forum.
The point is that Norm couldn't land top talent, and almost all of the time he found his sleeper, the guy never woke up. A good staff lands top ranked kids, and finds the projects worth developing. Norm couldn't do either.
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but where do amir and phil stand if we bring in jermaine and jordan?
my point was, for next season, amir + phil are arguably more valuable than jermaine and jordan assuming everyone else stays. so losing out on these recruits actually is not that bad provided the staff takes care of 2014 and beyond
So with that theory Syracuse shouldn't have signed Michael Carter-Williams because they had Dion Waiters?
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On side note Glen Braica was who pushed hard for Hardy.
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On side note Glen Braica was who pushed hard for Hardy.
That makes sense.
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Michael Glover went to SHU and never qualified how would he have ever qualified for SJU? They both belong to the same NCAA and Big East.
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but where do amir and phil stand if we bring in jermaine and jordan?
my point was, for next season, amir + phil are arguably more valuable than jermaine and jordan assuming everyone else stays. so losing out on these recruits actually is not that bad provided the staff takes care of 2014 and beyond
So with that theory Syracuse shouldn't have signed Michael Carter-Williams because they had Dion Waiters?
Part of Boeheim's genius is the ability to stash top recruits for a year or two while his upperclassmen lead the team, finding ways to weave the young guys in over time. There are not more than a handful of programs that can consistently pull this feat off and we are not one of them at this point. Also Waiters and MCW have different games (and play different positions).
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but where do amir and phil stand if we bring in jermaine and jordan?
my point was, for next season, amir + phil are arguably more valuable than jermaine and jordan assuming everyone else stays. so losing out on these recruits actually is not that bad provided the staff takes care of 2014 and beyond
So with that theory Syracuse shouldn't have signed Michael Carter-Williams because they had Dion Waiters?
Part of Boeheim's genius is the ability to stash top recruits for a year or two while his upperclassmen lead the team, finding ways to weave the young guys in over time. There are not more than a handful of programs that can consistently pull this feat off and we are not one of them at this point. Also Waiters and MCW have different games (and play different positions).
They also had Scoop Jardine and he still came.
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but where do amir and phil stand if we bring in jermaine and jordan?
my point was, for next season, amir + phil are arguably more valuable than jermaine and jordan assuming everyone else stays. so losing out on these recruits actually is not that bad provided the staff takes care of 2014 and beyond
So with that theory Syracuse shouldn't have signed Michael Carter-Williams because they had Dion Waiters?
Part of Boeheim's genius is the ability to stash top recruits for a year or two while his upperclassmen lead the team, finding ways to weave the young guys in over time. There are not more than a handful of programs that can consistently pull this feat off and we are not one of them at this point. Also Waiters and MCW have different games (and play different positions).
They also had Scoop Jardine and he still came.
There should be no debate that Cuse is on a different level than all but maybe 6 or 7 programs in this respect.
Also I never said that they'd transfer - just that they might be sort of "left out." there are not enough minutes to go around.
My original point was that losing out our '13 targets might not be that huge of a deal in the short run because amir + phil >= jermaine + sheed for next season.
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my buddy's son goes to pope john, jl been wearing a cincy sweatshirt all week.
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my buddy's son goes to pope john, jl been wearing a cincy sweatshirt all week.
bengals I hope
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my buddy's son goes to pope john, jl been wearing a cincy sweatshirt all week.
I was also with Chris McCullough for a week and he wore American University shorts 4 days in a row.
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my buddy's son goes to pope john, jl been wearing a cincy sweatshirt all week.
That ends it for me... We shouldn't want a kid who doesn't do laundry .
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my buddy's son goes to pope john, jl been wearing a cincy sweatshirt all week.
That ends it for me... We shouldn't want a kid who doesn't do laundry .
;D
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my buddy's son goes to pope john, jl been wearing a cincy sweatshirt all week.
That ends it for me... We shouldn't want a kid who doesn't do laundry .
I would expect that from Maher.
Nice work.
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my buddy's son goes to pope john, jl been wearing a cincy sweatshirt all week.
That ends it for me... We shouldn't want a kid who doesn't do laundry .
I would expect that from Maher.
Nice work.
I'm allowed a Maher zinger every now and then!
We are not out on either kid..So severe is the Jordan backup plan.. Who is the backup for Lawrence? Truck Fludd? :)
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my buddy's son goes to pope john, jl been wearing a cincy sweatshirt all week.
my buddy's son goes to pope john, jl been wearing a cincy sweatshirt all week.
Not what I'm wanting to hear. (It's unlikely, but I'm hoping the Hall kicks Cincy's butt this weekend.)
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If this kid goes to Cincy, he's getting paid.
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If this kid goes to Cincy, he's getting paid.
So anytime a kid doesn't pick St. John's it's because he is getting paid???
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Still planning to visit soon:
Hearing that @mainestory will take a visit to St. John's in the next week or 2 and then decide. Sounds like Cincinnati or St. John's.
https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamZagoria/tweets
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If this kid goes to Cincy, he's getting paid.
So anytime a kid doesn't pick St. John's it's because he is getting paid???
Is that what I said?
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Still planning to visit soon:
Hearing that @mainestory will take a visit to St. John's in the next week or 2 and then decide. Sounds like Cincinnati or St. John's.
https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamZagoria/tweets
Good to hear.
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my buddy's son goes to pope john, jl been wearing a cincy sweatshirt all week.
That ends it for me... We shouldn't want a kid who doesn't do laundry .
I would expect that from Maher.
Nice work.
I'm allowed a Maher zinger every now and then!
We are not out on either kid..So severe is the Jordan backup plan.. Who is the backup for Lawrence? Truck Fludd? :)
The laundry joke cracked me up ( helpful since Nathalie and I were in the middle of watching Les Miserables )
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If this kid goes to Cincy, he's getting paid.
So anytime a kid doesn't pick St. John's it's because he is getting paid???
Is that what I said?
Sounds exactly like the disgruntled Cincy fans about Obekpa's decision to go to St. John's ... that it was all about money.
fixed quote
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No one in their right mind chooses to go to a disgusting fly over state, instead of NYC. Does that mean that Lance Stephenson was getting paid? Think!
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It always struck me as odd at the time that Lance chose Cincy over us. As I recall, Cincy didn't make the tourney, nor where they projected as a tournament team. Neither where we, but Lance would have had ample opportunity to play meaningful minutes and get his offense at St. John's. Not saying he got paid, but was this one of those sponsorship type situations we have heard before (Cincy being an Adidas, or Under Armour school, or something like that?)
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Two factors: 1. Lance needed to get out of NYC. 2. They didn't have any faith in Norm's coaching staff to develop him.
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I agree with #2, but Cincy doesn't exactly have a pipeline to the NBA .... Why did he need to get out of NYC so bad?
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my buddy's son goes to pope john, jl been wearing a cincy sweatshirt all week.
It was Lefty Garrett's Reds jersey ;D
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I agree with #2, but Cincy doesn't exactly have a pipeline to the NBA .... Why did he need to get out of NYC so bad?
All the hype, distractions of friends and family. Getting away from his rough neighborhood. The bad press from his criminal case; etc.
I'm not sure there were many choices besides SJU and Cinci because of Lance's baggage.
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Two factors: 1. Lance needed to get out of NYC. 2. They didn't have any faith in Norm's coaching staff to develop him.
Hmmmm ... you may be on to something.
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It's time to let go of Norm, and Maven's info is wrong.
Not that I ever have any inside info myself anymore but from reading all the St. John's boards for years, the so called Maven has been wrongo many, many times.
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Just to clarify, you guys are talking about Stan Fischler a.k.a the Maven? What's his twitter handle, because his public one seems to be hockey related only?
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Just to clarify, you guys are talking about Stan Fischler a.k.a the Maven? What's his twitter handle, because his public one seems to be hockey related only?
Not sure if you were joking or not, but not Stan Fischler
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Stan Fischler is an accomplished man.
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Stan Fischler is an accomplished man.
The true Maven.
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We lost him to Cincy
“@mainestory: http://t.co/UOhmQBpi (http://t.co/UOhmQBpi) @NYPost_Brazille @TheAlexKline @Quick60 @EvanDanielsFOX @DaveTelep”
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I’m blessed to celebrate a milestone birthday!
My family and I would like to thank all the schools that showed interest. I’m humble to have had the experience of being recruited.
After a long discussion with my parents, I’ve decided I’ll be attending the University of Cincinnati!!!!!
I’m excited to be apart of #BearcatNation
I appreciate and thank those in New York who have supported me. It was a tough decision, however I do believe UC is a better fit for me.
God Bless,
Jermaine Lawrence @MaineStory
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Playing mmqb here but i guess Lavin shouldnt have pushed back that visit.
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Damn. Didn't even get that visit.
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we focus on ONE kid this class in our own BACKYARD and we still can't land him? that's very disappointing and troubling
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@AdamZagoria The best part about Jermaine Lawrence's commitment is that no media or coaches will have to deal w/ his rude & incompetent handler anymore.
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Big loss for us. Still think Rysheed wouldve been the best get for us out of those mentioned, but this guy was a very nice player in the city.
Seems like he didn't have the best handler though:
Adam Zagoria @AdamZagoria
If you're going to be somebody's "mentor," at least know how to deal with the media & college coaches. Everyone in NYC knows she didn't.
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so it came down to nike vs adidas and we lost.
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Ouch. HUGE miss.
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Lavins gotta start hitting the recruiting trail hard. Jorden is iffy and we have some pieces we have to fill.
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Maybe he thought with D'lo, Jakarr and Dom he wouldn't get enough touches, who knows what these kids think. Anyway good luck in cincy, heck even Jakarr wanted out of ohio lol
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Im telling you if this kid ends up an Cinci I will PERSONALLY call out the handler who steered him there....his mom and he both want SJU
Let's hear it.
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Don't think Jordan is gonna come here for same reasons, D'lo, Phil, Jamal and Dom.
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Lets see, recent must gets from Metro area. Syl, Lance, Moe, Kyle hmmmmmmm
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Im telling you if this kid ends up an Cinci I will PERSONALLY call out the handler who steered him there....his mom and he both want SJU
Let's hear it.
Her name is pretty much out there. Alexis something I think. Her and Maven battled it out on Twitter awhile back.
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This one hurts, two years in a row were gonna miss out on 5 star players in our own backyard. Its a shame these guys dont take pride in playing for there city but so be it. If NYC kids dont wanna come then lets keep going national
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Realize she dragged him from Cardoza to the boonies. Not surprising she steered this as well. BTW, Maven was on the money and, contrary to some board opinion, I guess some guys do commit on SB Sunday.
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I just hope it is an indication that the current group is returning. They want to be the man right away.
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“@AdamZagoria: As for #stjbb, they will focus on Rysheed Jordan and then the 2014s and '15s. More to come later.”
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Ouch this one hurt
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Realize she dragged him from Cardoza to the boonies. Not surprising she steered this as well. BTW, Maven was on the money and, contrary to some board opinion, I guess some guys do commit on SB Sunday.
The staff dug a major hole for themselves. Let's see how they dig out of this. It's going to be a whiff in 2014 too sooner than later. Very concerned !
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“@AdamZagoria: As for #stjbb, they will focus on Rysheed Jordan and then the 2014s and '15s. More to come later.”
Bad idea. How about finding a JUCO big or something.
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Realize she dragged him from Cardoza to the boonies. Not surprising she steered this as well. BTW, Maven was on the money and, contrary to some board opinion, I guess some guys do commit on SB Sunday.
The staff dug a major hole for themselves. Let's see how they dig out of this. It's going to be a whiff in 2014 too sooner than later. Very concerned !
Agree. Wonder if they regret not having a Plan B, if indeed they don't.
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“@AdamZagoria: As for #stjbb, they will focus on Rysheed Jordan and then the 2014s and '15s. More to come later.”
Bad idea. How about finding a JUCO big or something.
I have no faith in Juco this late in the game. We have hit the Juco ranks 2x, Gift is an adequate rotation guy and we never saw Orlando play.
At this point we are looking at this same frontcourt plus 15 min a game from Gift or adding another kid to the mix like Christian Jones (then we will have two of them)
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“@AdamZagoria: As for #stjbb, they will focus on Rysheed Jordan and then the 2014s and '15s. More to come later.”
Bad idea. How about finding a JUCO big or something.
I have no faith in Juco this late in the game. We have hit the Juco ranks 2x, Gift is an adequate rotation guy and we never saw Orlando play.
At this point we are looking at this same frontcourt plus 15 min a game from Gift or adding another kid to the mix like Christian Jones (then we will have two of them)
2 years in a row with subpar frontcourt rebounding? Sorry but there is no excuse for that.
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Rebounding deficit is glaring and won't be solved by adding Gift. Scour the earth for a wide body staff.
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“@AdamZagoria: As for #stjbb, they will focus on Rysheed Jordan and then the 2014s and '15s. More to come later.”
Bad idea. How about finding a JUCO big or something.
And be right back at .500 next year too. I thought were were supposed to be upper echelon by next year. This wouldn't hurt as much if we had a plan b, c and d but this guy lav seems to have put all his eggs in two baskets next thing you kno were gonna start being mentioned with the parga's, and carlos Morris 's of the world
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Something smells
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If either dlo or sampson leave were gonna be back around .500 or below next year. If we strick out on Jordan also its gonna be another 2 years til we can talk about the dance again. Luckily class '14 and '15 seem stacked and Lavin knows those years are gonna make it or break it for him.
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You guys need to relax. Why so negative? So what, we lost him. This team will be better next year no matter what, based on the kids improving that are already here. Are we not a better team than last season? Without Moe?
Chill... the sky is not falling.
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How do you guys know this staff does not have a plan B? They are capable recruiters and are building a solid program here.
Last year most on these boards were projecting Sampson to go elsewhere and no one had CO signing here. Wrong on both counts.
Keep the faith.
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You guys need to relax. Why so negative? So what, we lost him. This team will be better next year no matter what, based on the kids improving that are already here. Are we not a better team than last season? Without Moe?
Chill... the sky is not falling.
Sky not falling, but do you think we have a solid enough front court to compete with the big teams? Garrett playing so much PF is unfair to him and ineffective. Just saying.
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And it is a bigger loss for Lawrence. He is absolutely nuts to not want to play on the same team with Sir Dom.
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Paultz- If no one improves and Gift gets double red-shirted . No we won't be able to compete. However, I think a whole summer and training with the staff will lead to big improvement in both Sampson and Obekpa, to round out their games to be more complete big men. Gift will be back for whatever that is worth....and, like Tiz said, we don't know what is coming down the pike.
Let's see how it plays out before we pick up our bouncy ball and cry in a corner.
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Guys I don't try to act like I know much but in the long run this isn't that bad. There is a reason lav cancelled the visit. Some of y'all have to use your head and look at the fine print. Look what I have said about the kid or what Fordham said or what Dave said or just recently what zags said.
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King, your last post just picked me up a little thnx
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You guys need to relax. Why so negative? So what, we lost him. This team will be better next year no matter what, based on the kids improving that are already here. Are we not a better team than last season? Without Moe?
Chill... the sky is not falling.
what he said!
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Guys I don't try to act like I know much but in the long run this isn't that bad. There is a reason lav cancelled the visit. Some of y'all have to use your head and look at the fine print. Look what I have said about the kid or what Fordham said or what Dave said or just recently what zags said.
I was told a few days ago, we walked. I respect that, but hope the void for a solid big is filled this year.
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Zags and braziller is going at it on twitter right now
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Guys I don't try to act like I know much but in the long run this isn't that bad. There is a reason lav cancelled the visit. Some of y'all have to use your head and look at the fine print. Look what I have said about the kid or what Fordham said or what Dave said or just recently what zags said.
Good stuff Kob. Sounds like the kid was pushed towards Cincy, and there may be some "issues" down the line anyway. Things happen for a reason. Good luck to him. They might play uglier basketball than we do.
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Zags and braziller is going at it on twitter right now
“@AdamZagoria: Nobody's sniping at kids, just the mentor. Unless you're just too dumb to know the difference. When is Orlando Sanchez suiting up anyway?”
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Guys I don't try to act like I know much but in the long run this isn't that bad. There is a reason lav cancelled the visit. Some of y'all have to use your head and look at the fine print. Look what I have said about the kid or what Fordham said or what Dave said or just recently what zags said.
This.
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kob, thanks for the words of wisdom.
As for Lavin, he went all out for those kids last year and they came on board. They look like they enjoy playing for him and they are developing well.
Lubick was a top 50 HS kid who has progressed nicely under Thompson tripling his scoring output as a frosh to become a difference maker in a big game as a junior. Lavin complimented him after the game. Lavin knows what he has to do here to beat teams with Mooses like him (no pun at our Moose)
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How do you guys know this staff does not have a plan B? They are capable recruiters and are building a solid program here.
Last year most on these boards were projecting Sampson to go elsewhere and no one had CO signing here. Wrong on both counts.
Keep the faith.
On the contrary most of this board was saying Karr was coming regardless of what the experts outside were saying.
CO had too many twists and turns.
As for why the talk of no plan B? Well Lavin was quoted as saying he had 2 and on 2 targets for 13. We know who those targets are. Well we know who the 1 is now.
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How do you guys know this staff does not have a plan B? They are capable recruiters and are building a solid program here.
Last year most on these boards were projecting Sampson to go elsewhere and no one had CO signing here. Wrong on both counts.
Keep the faith.
On the contrary most of this board was saying Karr was coming regardless of what the experts outside were saying.
CO had too many twists and turns.
As for why the talk of no plan B? Well Lavin was quoted as saying he had 2 and on 2 targets for 13. We know who those targets are. Well we know who the 1 is now.
Lavin also indicated a few weeks ago that he may not use any ships...
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Disappointing to say the least. We need a PF who can score and play in the post in the worst way. Gift is nice, but he's not that guy. Not sure where we go with this. There are guys out there. Uconn found them every year when Calhoun was at the helm. Staff needs to make up time I think. Will be hard to improve our record significantly next season without adding a post scorer of some type.
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How do you guys know this staff does not have a plan B? They are capable recruiters and are building a solid program here.
Last year most on these boards were projecting Sampson to go elsewhere and no one had CO signing here. Wrong on both counts.
Keep the faith.
On the contrary most of this board was saying Karr was coming regardless of what the experts outside were saying.
CO had too many twists and turns.
As for why the talk of no plan B? Well Lavin was quoted as saying he had 2 and on 2 targets for 13. We know who those targets are. Well we know who the 1 is now.
Lavin also indicated a few weeks ago that he may not use any ships...
Then he needs to look at the roster because Dom and Amir ain't hitting a 4 inch growth spurt anytime soon.
And please lets not genuflect waiting for Gift to return to provide us all that rebounding. Check out his rebounding numbers as the season wore on last year. He had some great games. In blowouts. And we saw in the other thread your thoughts on stats accumulated in blowouts.
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You guys need to relax. Why so negative? So what, we lost him. This team will be better next year no matter what, based on the kids improving that are already here. Are we not a better team than last season? Without Moe?
Chill... the sky is not falling.
This is a big loss. This is a kid who went to all of our games.
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The loss of first Wainwright and now Lawrence is troubling, especially with both committing elsewhere before visiting. Sure. However, it sounds like we've been spoiled. We were down to the wire with a top 20 recruit who we had no business talking to before Lavin came in. We are by no means a perennial tournament team YET. Lavin's brought us this far with recruiting, I trust he has a lot left in the tank. We take the loss and move on.
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How do you guys know this staff does not have a plan B? They are capable recruiters and are building a solid program here.
Last year most on these boards were projecting Sampson to go elsewhere and no one had CO signing here. Wrong on both counts.
Keep the faith.
On the contrary most of this board was saying Karr was coming regardless of what the experts outside were saying.
CO had too many twists and turns.
As for why the talk of no plan B? Well Lavin was quoted as saying he had 2 and on 2 targets for 13. We know who those targets are. Well we know who the 1 is now.
Lavin also indicated a few weeks ago that he may not use any ships...
Then he needs to look at the roster because Dom and Amir ain't hitting a 4 inch growth spurt anytime soon.
And please lets not genuflect waiting for Gift to return to provide us all that rebounding. Check out his rebounding numbers as the season wore on last year. He had some great games. In blowouts. And we saw in the other thread your thoughts on stats accumulated in blowouts.
Exactly.
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You guys need to relax. Why so negative? So what, we lost him. This team will be better next year no matter what, based on the kids improving that are already here. Are we not a better team than last season? Without Moe?
Chill... the sky is not falling.
This is a big loss. This is a kid who went to all of our games.
So what he went to all of our games. He lives nearby. Should we turn him down and say he's only allowed to come if he verbals?
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Any chance Orlando clears for next year or is that out of the realm of possibility?
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I'm sorry poison I disagree I don't think he is a big loss. I could be wrong but I doubt it
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Zags continues dissing Post and throws some more Sanchez stuff in mix.
“@AdamZagoria: Some sources are as reliable as the New York Post on Momo Jones or Orlando Sanchez. &being the pet of a bad adviser is nothing to brag about”
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It's a huge loss, but we'll be fine. We'll probably get at least 17 wins this season. And we have everyone returning plus Gift. Looks like a 20+ win season is on the horizon even without Lawrence.
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How do you guys know this staff does not have a plan B? They are capable recruiters and are building a solid program here.
Last year most on these boards were projecting Sampson to go elsewhere and no one had CO signing here. Wrong on both counts.
Keep the faith.
On the contrary most of this board was saying Karr was coming regardless of what the experts outside were saying.
CO had too many twists and turns.
As for why the talk of no plan B? Well Lavin was quoted as saying he had 2 and on 2 targets for 13. We know who those targets are. Well we know who the 1 is now.
Lavin also indicated a few weeks ago that he may not use any ships...
Then he needs to look at the roster because Dom and Amir ain't hitting a 4 inch growth spurt anytime soon.
And please lets not genuflect waiting for Gift to return to provide us all that rebounding. Check out his rebounding numbers as the season wore on last year. He had some great games. In blowouts. And we saw in the other thread your thoughts on stats accumulated in blowouts.
my quote on Gift - "Gift will be back for whatever that is worth."
Clearly genuflecting at the altar of Gift....
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“@franfraschilla: Eastern AD's: Cincinnati's Darren Savino helps lock up Jermaine Lawrence for 'Cats. He's ready for head coaching gig! Great pedigree.”
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How do you guys know this staff does not have a plan B? They are capable recruiters and are building a solid program here.
Last year most on these boards were projecting Sampson to go elsewhere and no one had CO signing here. Wrong on both counts.
Keep the faith.
On the contrary most of this board was saying Karr was coming regardless of what the experts outside were saying.
CO had too many twists and turns.
As for why the talk of no plan B? Well Lavin was quoted as saying he had 2 and on 2 targets for 13. We know who those targets are. Well we know who the 1 is now.
Lavin also indicated a few weeks ago that he may not use any ships...
Then he needs to look at the roster because Dom and Amir ain't hitting a 4 inch growth spurt anytime soon.
And please lets not genuflect waiting for Gift to return to provide us all that rebounding. Check out his rebounding numbers as the season wore on last year. He had some great games. In blowouts. And we saw in the other thread your thoughts on stats accumulated in blowouts.
my quote on Gift - "Gift will be back for whatever that is worth."
Clearly genuflecting at the altar of Gift....
Your right. My 2nd line was more for those who hang his redshirt on every one of our losses this year.
My apologies for not being clear.
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The loss of first Wainwright and now Lawrence is troubling, especially with both committing elsewhere before visiting. Sure. However, it sounds like we've been spoiled. We were down to the wire with a top 20 recruit who we had no business talking to before Lavin came in. We are by no means a perennial tournament team YET. Lavin's brought us this far with recruiting, I trust he has a lot left in the tank. We take the loss and move on.
I didn't mind too much Wainright committing else where. It is more striking out on the two local kids (McCollough and Lawrence). It also doesn't appear we have a legitimate back-up plan.
It is one thing to strike out with this class, but we can't afford to also strike out with the 2014 class.
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I believe the advisor's name is Alexes Hargrove.
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The loss of first Wainwright and now Lawrence is troubling, especially with both committing elsewhere before visiting. Sure. However, it sounds like we've been spoiled. We were down to the wire with a top 20 recruit who we had no business talking to before Lavin came in. We are by no means a perennial tournament team YET. Lavin's brought us this far with recruiting, I trust he has a lot left in the tank. We take the loss and move on.
I didn't mind too much Wainright committing else where. It is more striking out on the two local kids (McCollough and Lawrence). It also doesn't appear we have a legitimate back-up plan.
It is one thing to strike out with this class, but we can't afford to also strike out with the 2014 class.
Your right. Never would have thought we missed on both Jermaine and Chris.
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Agreed to Redmen and Moose. I wish there was solid information on what happened to both those losses.
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I'm sorry poison I disagree I don't think he is a big loss. I could be wrong but I doubt it
You don't have to get every NYC high school star, but you need to get your share. Don't get me wrong, I think 99% of these NYC are entitled overrated punks, not all of them. When you focus on a Queens kid, and he bolts for Cincinnati, you have either dropped the ball recruiting, or someone(s) is cheating.
For Cincinnati to land any coveted New Yorker, something fishy must be going on.
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I'm sorry poison I disagree I don't think he is a big loss. I could be wrong but I doubt it
You don't have to get every NYC high school star, but you need to get your share. Don't get me wrong, I think 99% of these NYC are entitled overrated punks, not all of them. When you focus on a Queens kid, and he bolts for Cincinnati, you have either dropped the ball recruiting, or someone(s) is cheating.
For Cincinnati to land any coveted New Yorker, something fishy must be going on.
I want the best NYC kid. I don't want just a kid to fill a quota.
That being said though many of these kids just probably want to get away. KOB and Choz are closer to the game and maybe I'm wrong but if they asked kids I'm sure a good number will want to get away.
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Agreed to Redmen and Moose. I wish there was solid information on what happened to both those losses.
Would it make a difference in terms of who they chose?
For the record Wainright is the one that surprised me.
Look at the SJU roster: Detroit, Texas, Chicago, Los Angeles, Akron etc.
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Agreed to Redmen and Moose. I wish there was solid information on what happened to both those losses.
From a far, it seems like the coaching staff doesn't have the same sense or urgency, with regards to recruiting, as they displayed during their first two seasons. I would love to get perspective from other people who are tied into the recruiting scene.
I am really concerned about our 2014 recruiting. We missed on Chris and it looks like we are really behind the 8 ball with Whitehead. I know we are going hard after Carrington (sp?) but I' ve seen a couple of reports that we trail Yukon.
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Agreed to Redmen and Moose. I wish there was solid information on what happened to both those losses.
At face value this stings but I'll listen to Kob here as I have zero inside info. Reading between the lines it seems like for whatever reason either we didn't want him (who knows why). Let's just relax a bit and see how this all plays out. Same folks on this board who say this is horrendous and the sky is falling will be the same folks jumping right back on the bandwagon shortly.
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Agreed to Redmen and Moose. I wish there was solid information on what happened to both those losses.
Would it make a difference in terms of who they chose?
For the record Wainright is the one that surprised me.
Look at the SJU roster: Detroit, Texas, Chicago, Los Angeles, Akron etc.
Technically we have 2 NY'ers in Obekpa and Felix. Me personally I don't even really consider them NY'ers but that was the NY part of the 2012 class. We had the best player in NYC in 2011. As for 2013 the best player has chosen Cincy. And the best player in '14 has chosen NY's Upstate team.
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I'm sorry poison I disagree I don't think he is a big loss. I could be wrong but I doubt it
You don't have to get every NYC high school star, but you need to get your share. Don't get me wrong, I think 99% of these NYC are entitled overrated punks, not all of them. When you focus on a Queens kid, and he bolts for Cincinnati, you have either dropped the ball recruiting, or someone(s) is cheating.
For Cincinnati to land any coveted New Yorker, something fishy must be going on.
I want the best NYC kid. I don't want just a kid to fill a quota.
That being said though many of these kids just probably want to get away. KOB and Choz are closer to the game and maybe I'm wrong but if they asked kids I'm sure a good number will want to get away.
I can certainly understand wanting to get away. Wanting to get away to a disgusting fly over state makes me believe w out a shadow of doubt that Cinci is cheating. There is no reason to go to Cincinnati for anything at all, let alone basketball.
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Agreed to Redmen and Moose. I wish there was solid information on what happened to both those losses.
At face value this stings but I'll listen to Kob here as I have zero inside info. Reading between the lines it seems like for whatever reason either we didn't want him (who knows why). Let's just relax a bit and see how this all plays out. Same folks on this board who say this is horrendous and the sky is falling will be the same folks jumping right back on the bandwagon shortly.
Jermaine by all accounts had a handler who was not in love with STJ and loved Cincy. You pick your spots with who you want to deal with. Yes maybe its a good thing we didn't get involved.
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Agreed to Redmen and Moose. I wish there was solid information on what happened to both those losses.
At face value this stings but I'll listen to Kob here as I have zero inside info. Reading between the lines it seems like for whatever reason either we didn't want him (who knows why). Let's just relax a bit and see how this all plays out. Same folks on this board who say this is horrendous and the sky is falling will be the same folks jumping right back on the bandwagon shortly.
Jermaine by all accounts had a handler who was not in love with STJ and loved Cincy. You pick your spots with who you want to deal with. Yes maybe its a good thing we didn't get involved.
No I know and Harkless last year. But part of getting Lavin is his ability to recruit nationally.
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Agreed to Redmen and Moose. I wish there was solid information on what happened to both those losses.
At face value this stings but I'll listen to Kob here as I have zero inside info. Reading between the lines it seems like for whatever reason either we didn't want him (who knows why). Let's just relax a bit and see how this all plays out. Same folks on this board who say this is horrendous and the sky is falling will be the same folks jumping right back on the bandwagon shortly.
Jermaine by all accounts had a handler who was not in love with STJ and loved Cincy. You pick your spots with who you want to deal with. Yes maybe its a good thing we didn't get involved.
No I know and Harkless last year. But part of getting Lavin is his ability to recruit nationally.
Any "national" recruits out there that can help us replace losing Lawrence? ;)
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I'm sorry poison I disagree I don't think he is a big loss. I could be wrong but I doubt it
You don't have to get every NYC high school star, but you need to get your share. Don't get me wrong, I think 99% of these NYC are entitled overrated punks, not all of them. When you focus on a Queens kid, and he bolts for Cincinnati, you have either dropped the ball recruiting, or someone(s) is cheating.
For Cincinnati to land any coveted New Yorker, something fishy must be going on.
I want the best NYC kid. I don't want just a kid to fill a quota.
That being said though many of these kids just probably want to get away. KOB and Choz are closer to the game and maybe I'm wrong but if they asked kids I'm sure a good number will want to get away.
I can certainly understand wanting to get away. Wanting to get away to a disgusting fly over state makes me believe w out a shadow of doubt that Cinci is cheating. There is no reason to go to Cincinnati for anything at all, let alone basketball.
Ironclad innuendo.
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Lawerence made his decision good or bad and its done. But I just hope he realizes that if the C7 somehow leave after this yr, he will be playing for a team and conference that no one will care about at all.
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I'm sorry poison I disagree I don't think he is a big loss. I could be wrong but I doubt it
You don't have to get every NYC high school star, but you need to get your share. Don't get me wrong, I think 99% of these NYC are entitled overrated punks, not all of them. When you focus on a Queens kid, and he bolts for Cincinnati, you have either dropped the ball recruiting, or someone(s) is cheating.
For Cincinnati to land any coveted New Yorker, something fishy must be going on.
I want the best NYC kid. I don't want just a kid to fill a quota.
That being said though many of these kids just probably want to get away. KOB and Choz are closer to the game and maybe I'm wrong but if they asked kids I'm sure a good number will want to get away.
But then you have your share of kids who want to be the king of there city and I think that's where rysheed is leaning towards. Stj is still looked at as a bottom feeder among New York kids, none of thee kids follow the history and aren't that in depth how we all are they just see the big names and they bolt. NYC kids have no idea of what it means to play basketball in the Mecca and that's partly because there handlers will sell there souls for some out of town connects , no loyalty in the city anymore.
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Agreed to Redmen and Moose. I wish there was solid information on what happened to both those losses.
At face value this stings but I'll listen to Kob here as I have zero inside info. Reading between the lines it seems like for whatever reason either we didn't want him (who knows why). Let's just relax a bit and see how this all plays out. Same folks on this board who say this is horrendous and the sky is falling will be the same folks jumping right back on the bandwagon shortly.
Jermaine by all accounts had a handler who was not in love with STJ and loved Cincy. You pick your spots with who you want to deal with. Yes maybe its a good thing we didn't get involved.
No I know and Harkless last year. But part of getting Lavin is his ability to recruit nationally.
Any "national" recruits out there that can help us replace losing Lawrence? ;)
Rivals 2013 ranked their Top 20 Centers. Only Demitrius Henry has not chosen a school
http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Demetrius-Henry-108668;_ylt=AtcP1bc9CH_PxI7PBXCqyLbVO5B4 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Demetrius-Henry-108668;_ylt=AtcP1bc9CH_PxI7PBXCqyLbVO5B4)
Rivals 2013 ranked their Top 30 PF's. Outside of Julius Randle who I won't bother wasting breath on. There are only 2 players who have yet to commit. Junior Etou and Jordan Washington ranked 28 and 29. Etou supposedly has big time age issues so stay away. And Jordan Washington well is Jordan Washington haha
http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Junior-Etou-126262;_ylt=AtT6cKflDJHLWprTWRGhSerVO5B4 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Junior-Etou-126262;_ylt=AtT6cKflDJHLWprTWRGhSerVO5B4)
http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Jordan-Washington-117160;_ylt=Ao7wkrz863V_S6FypC55E0PVO5B4 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Jordan-Washington-117160;_ylt=Ao7wkrz863V_S6FypC55E0PVO5B4)
Pickings be slim.
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I'm sorry poison I disagree I don't think he is a big loss. I could be wrong but I doubt it
You don't have to get every NYC high school star, but you need to get your share. Don't get me wrong, I think 99% of these NYC are entitled overrated punks, not all of them. When you focus on a Queens kid, and he bolts for Cincinnati, you have either dropped the ball recruiting, or someone(s) is cheating.
For Cincinnati to land any coveted New Yorker, something fishy must be going on.
I want the best NYC kid. I don't want just a kid to fill a quota.
That being said though many of these kids just probably want to get away. KOB and Choz are closer to the game and maybe I'm wrong but if they asked kids I'm sure a good number will want to get away.
But then you have your share of kids who want to be the king of there city and I think that's where rysheed is leaning towards. Stj is still looked at as a bottom feeder among New York kids, none of thee kids follow the history and aren't that in depth how we all are they just see the big names and they bolt. NYC kids have no idea of what it means to play basketball in the Mecca and that's partly because there handlers will sell there souls for some out of town connects , no loyalty in the city anymore.
Your right.
I always used the analogy that if NYC had 10 top D1 caliber players each year 7 most likely will want to get away. Need to make sure you get some from those other 3.
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Hopefully some coaches get fired and their recruits open up at the end of the year
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Hopefully some coaches get fired and their recruits open up at the end of the year
Yeah I was looking at USC. Their big priority is a PG who supposedly is getting calls from schools. They had a big man from Arlington Country Day. Nikola Jovanovic
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Nikola-Jovanovic-145054;_ylt=AunFPPGkqWhsxvy7KK.ZYk7XO5B4 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Nikola-Jovanovic-145054;_ylt=AunFPPGkqWhsxvy7KK.ZYk7XO5B4)
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Hopefully some coaches get fired and their recruits open up at the end of the year
I agree but it's a shame this is what stjbb has Been reduced too, I'm almost embarrassed.
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Agreed to Redmen and Moose. I wish there was solid information on what happened to both those losses.
At face value this stings but I'll listen to Kob here as I have zero inside info. Reading between the lines it seems like for whatever reason either we didn't want him (who knows why). Let's just relax a bit and see how this all plays out. Same folks on this board who say this is horrendous and the sky is falling will be the same folks jumping right back on the bandwagon shortly.
Jermaine by all accounts had a handler who was not in love with STJ and loved Cincy. You pick your spots with who you want to deal with. Yes maybe its a good thing we didn't get involved.
No I know and Harkless last year. But part of getting Lavin is his ability to recruit nationally.
Any "national" recruits out there that can help us replace losing Lawrence? ;)
Rivals 2013 ranked their Top 20 Centers. Only Demitrius Henry has not chosen a school
http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Demetrius-Henry-108668;_ylt=AtcP1bc9CH_PxI7PBXCqyLbVO5B4 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Demetrius-Henry-108668;_ylt=AtcP1bc9CH_PxI7PBXCqyLbVO5B4)
Rivals 2013 ranked their Top 30 PF's. Outside of Julius Randle who I won't bother wasting breath on. There are only 2 players who have yet to commit. Junior Etou and Jordan Washington ranked 28 and 29. Etou supposedly has big time age issues so stay away. And Jordan Washington well is Jordan Washington haha
http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Junior-Etou-126262;_ylt=AtT6cKflDJHLWprTWRGhSerVO5B4 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Junior-Etou-126262;_ylt=AtT6cKflDJHLWprTWRGhSerVO5B4)
http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Jordan-Washington-117160;_ylt=Ao7wkrz863V_S6FypC55E0PVO5B4 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Jordan-Washington-117160;_ylt=Ao7wkrz863V_S6FypC55E0PVO5B4)
Pickings be slim.
An as for Jordan's age. August of 1993 I'll let you guys do the math
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Lavin on a few occasions recently mentioned looking abroad as well. Don't know if that means anything or is just idle chatter. May not be a bad idea.
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ESPN RecruitingNation | February 3, 2013
The Cincinnati Bearcats received a commitment on Sunday from their No. 1 recruiting target, ESPN 100 power forward Jermaine Lawrence of Springfield Gardens, N.Y.
Ranked the No. 19 overall prospect in the Class of 2013 by ESPN, Lawrence pledged to Mick Cronin's team over St. John's and will move the Bearcats to No. 24 in the ESPN class rankings. UNLV was also in the mix for Lawrence.
From the start of last year's spring recruiting period, Lawrence had been the top target overall for the Bearcats. Despite being sidelined with a wrist injury that would later require surgery, Cronin and his staff remained committed to Lawrence. They realized it was an all-or-nothing situation with the power forward and that the backup plans were not plentiful.
Lawrence saw exactly what Cincinnati thought of him.
"When they started coming to my school, they made me feel like they really wanted me," Lawrence said. "I was definitely their guy."
In late July last summer, it became apparent Lawrence's injury was more serious than previously thought. At the Elite 24 showcase in August, Lawrence attended but did not play. He would later have surgery on his right wrist and didn't return to action for Pope John XXIII High School until last month.
During his recovery process, Lawrence continued to debate the merits of St. John's, Cincinnati and UNLV. The Rebels had former AAU teammate Savon Goodman on the roster and were factor. But in the end, it was down to Cronin's Bearcats against Steve Lavin's Red Storm.
"It was back and forth," Lawrence said. "It was hard to make a decision. St. John's is my hometown school."
Regardless, Cincinnati has done well with NYC talent. Former Bearcats players Kenny Satterfield and Lance Stephenson, both McDonald's All-Americans, were from New York.
"New York City players have gone there and then been comfortable," Lawrence said. "I started thinking, Why can't I be comfortable there?"
Lawrence becomes the top-rated recruit in a Cincinnati 2013 recruiting class that also features point guard Kevin Johnson (Cincinnati/Summit Country Day), shooting guard Troy Caupain (Midlothian, Va./Cosby), small forward DeShaun Morman (Washington, D.C./Faith Baptist Christian) and center Jamaree Strickland (Oakland, Calif./Queen City Prep).
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Lavin on a few occasions recently mentioned looking abroad as well. Don't know if that means anything or is just idle chatter. May not be a bad idea.
Not after what we just went thru with Orlando.
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Hopefully some coaches get fired and their recruits open up at the end of the year
I agree but it's a shame this is what stjbb has Been reduced too, I'm almost embarrassed.
Reduced to? Have you followed this program longer than 2 years? If anything that shows how Lavin has raised our profile to be able to get those guys at the end of the year
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Agreed to Redmen and Moose. I wish there was solid information on what happened to both those losses.
At face value this stings but I'll listen to Kob here as I have zero inside info. Reading between the lines it seems like for whatever reason either we didn't want him (who knows why). Let's just relax a bit and see how this all plays out. Same folks on this board who say this is horrendous and the sky is falling will be the same folks jumping right back on the bandwagon shortly.
Jermaine by all accounts had a handler who was not in love with STJ and loved Cincy. You pick your spots with who you want to deal with. Yes maybe its a good thing we didn't get involved.
No I know and Harkless last year. But part of getting Lavin is his ability to recruit nationally.
Any "national" recruits out there that can help us replace losing Lawrence? ;)
Rivals 2013 ranked their Top 20 Centers. Only Demitrius Henry has not chosen a school
http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Demetrius-Henry-108668;_ylt=AtcP1bc9CH_PxI7PBXCqyLbVO5B4 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Demetrius-Henry-108668;_ylt=AtcP1bc9CH_PxI7PBXCqyLbVO5B4)
Rivals 2013 ranked their Top 30 PF's. Outside of Julius Randle who I won't bother wasting breath on. There are only 2 players who have yet to commit. Junior Etou and Jordan Washington ranked 28 and 29. Etou supposedly has big time age issues so stay away. And Jordan Washington well is Jordan Washington haha
http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Junior-Etou-126262;_ylt=AtT6cKflDJHLWprTWRGhSerVO5B4 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Junior-Etou-126262;_ylt=AtT6cKflDJHLWprTWRGhSerVO5B4)
http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Jordan-Washington-117160;_ylt=Ao7wkrz863V_S6FypC55E0PVO5B4 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Jordan-Washington-117160;_ylt=Ao7wkrz863V_S6FypC55E0PVO5B4)
Pickings be slim.
An as for Jordan's age. August of 1993 I'll let you guys do the math
Really don't care about his age as he's not a foreigner where your dealing with crazy transcripts and such.
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Hopefully some coaches get fired and their recruits open up at the end of the year
I agree but it's a shame this is what stjbb has Been reduced too, I'm almost embarrassed.
Reduced to? Have you followed this program longer than 2 years? If anything that shows how Lavin has raised our profile to be able to get those guys at the end of the year
To answer your first question yes, born and raised in queens and norm Roberts and Ryan Williams are family friends so it's been a while now, and secondly is that your way of praising the collection of players and personal we have now? Yes there's been some what of a boost but is it nearly the boost that we all anticipated and hoped for ? That goes for on and off the court. Between the rotation and lineup an eligibility issues idk take your pick.
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Agreed to Redmen and Moose. I wish there was solid information on what happened to both those losses.
At face value this stings but I'll listen to Kob here as I have zero inside info. Reading between the lines it seems like for whatever reason either we didn't want him (who knows why). Let's just relax a bit and see how this all plays out. Same folks on this board who say this is horrendous and the sky is falling will be the same folks jumping right back on the bandwagon shortly.
Jermaine by all accounts had a handler who was not in love with STJ and loved Cincy. You pick your spots with who you want to deal with. Yes maybe its a good thing we didn't get involved.
No I know and Harkless last year. But part of getting Lavin is his ability to recruit nationally.
Any "national" recruits out there that can help us replace losing Lawrence? ;)
Rivals 2013 ranked their Top 20 Centers. Only Demitrius Henry has not chosen a school
http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Demetrius-Henry-108668;_ylt=AtcP1bc9CH_PxI7PBXCqyLbVO5B4 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Demetrius-Henry-108668;_ylt=AtcP1bc9CH_PxI7PBXCqyLbVO5B4)
Rivals 2013 ranked their Top 30 PF's. Outside of Julius Randle who I won't bother wasting breath on. There are only 2 players who have yet to commit. Junior Etou and Jordan Washington ranked 28 and 29. Etou supposedly has big time age issues so stay away. And Jordan Washington well is Jordan Washington haha
http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Junior-Etou-126262;_ylt=AtT6cKflDJHLWprTWRGhSerVO5B4 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Junior-Etou-126262;_ylt=AtT6cKflDJHLWprTWRGhSerVO5B4)
http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Jordan-Washington-117160;_ylt=Ao7wkrz863V_S6FypC55E0PVO5B4 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Jordan-Washington-117160;_ylt=Ao7wkrz863V_S6FypC55E0PVO5B4)
Pickings be slim.
An as for Jordan's age. August of 1993 I'll let you guys do the math
Really don't care about his age as he's not a foreigner where your dealing with crazy transcripts and such.
So then why the concern for the other recruits age?
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Really don't care about his age as he's not a foreigner where your dealing with crazy transcripts and such.
Erick Barkley was 35 when he was a freshman
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Agreed to Redmen and Moose. I wish there was solid information on what happened to both those losses.
At face value this stings but I'll listen to Kob here as I have zero inside info. Reading between the lines it seems like for whatever reason either we didn't want him (who knows why). Let's just relax a bit and see how this all plays out. Same folks on this board who say this is horrendous and the sky is falling will be the same folks jumping right back on the bandwagon shortly.
Jermaine by all accounts had a handler who was not in love with STJ and loved Cincy. You pick your spots with who you want to deal with. Yes maybe its a good thing we didn't get involved.
No I know and Harkless last year. But part of getting Lavin is his ability to recruit nationally.
Any "national" recruits out there that can help us replace losing Lawrence? ;)
Rivals 2013 ranked their Top 20 Centers. Only Demitrius Henry has not chosen a school
http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Demetrius-Henry-108668;_ylt=AtcP1bc9CH_PxI7PBXCqyLbVO5B4 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Demetrius-Henry-108668;_ylt=AtcP1bc9CH_PxI7PBXCqyLbVO5B4)
Rivals 2013 ranked their Top 30 PF's. Outside of Julius Randle who I won't bother wasting breath on. There are only 2 players who have yet to commit. Junior Etou and Jordan Washington ranked 28 and 29. Etou supposedly has big time age issues so stay away. And Jordan Washington well is Jordan Washington haha
http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Junior-Etou-126262;_ylt=AtT6cKflDJHLWprTWRGhSerVO5B4 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Junior-Etou-126262;_ylt=AtT6cKflDJHLWprTWRGhSerVO5B4)
http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Jordan-Washington-117160;_ylt=Ao7wkrz863V_S6FypC55E0PVO5B4 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Jordan-Washington-117160;_ylt=Ao7wkrz863V_S6FypC55E0PVO5B4)
Pickings be slim.
An as for Jordan's age. August of 1993 I'll let you guys do the math
Really don't care about his age as he's not a foreigner where your dealing with crazy transcripts and such.
So then why the concern for the other recruits age?
Because Junior Etou is from overseas and we know the issues with foreign recruits and their age and how it starts the dogs from Indy sniffing. Etou was subject of big article in Washington about how he played in his native country and now is in the US claiming to be a different age.
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Hopefully some coaches get fired and their recruits open up at the end of the year
I agree but it's a shame this is what stjbb has Been reduced too, I'm almost embarrassed.
Did you follow STJ bball during Norm's tenure? If this is your thought process now I can't imagine what it was then. I was pissed off when Gathers chose Baylor over us, but if he came here it's unlikely Jakarr would've come. Let's all just take a step back and breathe.
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Really don't care about his age as he's not a foreigner where your dealing with crazy transcripts and such.
Erick Barkley was 35 when he was a freshman
Funny
Again re-read my posts. It has to do with foreign players and their ages. I don't want or need Orlando Sanchez part 2.
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Agreed to Redmen and Moose. I wish there was solid information on what happened to both those losses.
At face value this stings but I'll listen to Kob here as I have zero inside info. Reading between the lines it seems like for whatever reason either we didn't want him (who knows why). Let's just relax a bit and see how this all plays out. Same folks on this board who say this is horrendous and the sky is falling will be the same folks jumping right back on the bandwagon shortly.
Jermaine by all accounts had a handler who was not in love with STJ and loved Cincy. You pick your spots with who you want to deal with. Yes maybe its a good thing we didn't get involved.
No I know and Harkless last year. But part of getting Lavin is his ability to recruit nationally.
Any "national" recruits out there that can help us replace losing Lawrence? ;)
Rivals 2013 ranked their Top 20 Centers. Only Demitrius Henry has not chosen a school
http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Demetrius-Henry-108668;_ylt=AtcP1bc9CH_PxI7PBXCqyLbVO5B4 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Demetrius-Henry-108668;_ylt=AtcP1bc9CH_PxI7PBXCqyLbVO5B4)
Rivals 2013 ranked their Top 30 PF's. Outside of Julius Randle who I won't bother wasting breath on. There are only 2 players who have yet to commit. Junior Etou and Jordan Washington ranked 28 and 29. Etou supposedly has big time age issues so stay away. And Jordan Washington well is Jordan Washington haha
http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Junior-Etou-126262;_ylt=AtT6cKflDJHLWprTWRGhSerVO5B4 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Junior-Etou-126262;_ylt=AtT6cKflDJHLWprTWRGhSerVO5B4)
http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Jordan-Washington-117160;_ylt=Ao7wkrz863V_S6FypC55E0PVO5B4 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Jordan-Washington-117160;_ylt=Ao7wkrz863V_S6FypC55E0PVO5B4)
Pickings be slim.
An as for Jordan's age. August of 1993 I'll let you guys do the math
Really don't care about his age as he's not a foreigner where your dealing with crazy transcripts and such.
So then why the concern for the other recruits age?
Because Junior Etou is from overseas and we know the issues with foreign recruits and their age and how it starts the dogs from Indy sniffing. Etou was subject of big article in Washington about how he played in his native country and now is in the US claiming to be a different age.
Ok I see, gotcha
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Sorry to say it, but the recruitment of kids like Lawrence is the rule, not the exception and has really soured me o chasing NYC kids. This is an all too common theme. Not saying it doesn't happen with kids from other places as well, but happens a ton to SJU.
Frankly though, I'm more disturbed about us not having other options than I am losing Lawrence per se.
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notice his t-shirt
http://mainestoryhoops.tumblr.com/ (http://mainestoryhoops.tumblr.com/)
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I just want someone who can hit an open jumper. I want someone who can grab a rebound. Those are my two desires, lol.
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Lavin on a few occasions recently mentioned looking abroad as well. Don't know if that means anything or is just idle chatter. May not be a bad idea.
Not after what we just went thru with Orlando.
Australian kids have clean transcripts, but it's a pain in the ass to travel there from NY.
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Guys I don't try to act like I know much but in the long run this isn't that bad. There is a reason lav cancelled the visit. Some of y'all have to use your head and look at the fine print. Look what I have said about the kid or what Fordham said or what Dave said or just recently what zags said.
I was told a few days ago, we walked. I respect that, but hope the void for a solid big is filled this year.
Paultzman...Walked because he (or his handler) told us we weren't getting him or because he wasn't worth baggage that some folks seem to be alluding to?
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Sorry to say it, but the recruitment of kids like Lawrence is the rule, not the exception and has really soured me o chasing NYC kids. This is an all too common theme. Not saying it doesn't happen with kids from other places as well, but happens a ton to SJU.
Frankly though, I'm more disturbed about us not having other options than I am losing Lawrence per se.
For kids who grow up in the concrete jungle, the spector of something different has allure...that said, Cinci is not exactly what I meant by alluring (although it is nice little town)...NYC kids are a tough get
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Guys I don't try to act like I know much but in the long run this isn't that bad. There is a reason lav cancelled the visit. Some of y'all have to use your head and look at the fine print. Look what I have said about the kid or what Fordham said or what Dave said or just recently what zags said.
I was told a few days ago, we walked. I respect that, but hope the void for a solid big is filled this year.
Paultzman...Walked because he (or his handler) told us we weren't getting him or because he wasn't worth baggage that some folks seem to be alluding to?
Too much nonsense is what I was told fwiw.
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Please elaborate. It is rather obvious when Lavin stops recruiting a kid. I would love to know the details of why he backed off.
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Please elaborate. It is rather obvious when Lavin stops recruiting a kid. I would love to know the details of why he backed off.
Told you what I heard. Don't have any details.
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In a year when the recruitment of a four or five player was a priority to the staff, Lavin and staff struck out on every player they recruited. Actually this is no different then Mahoney, Jarvis or Frannie who all had big recruited classes to start. It usually happens when a new staff comes in and creates a buzz and recruits all buy into the hype. However, the real recruiters do it in years 4,5 or 6 after all the fanfare has worn off.
To deny by any true fan that coach Lavins efforts in recruiting this season seem dismal at best is to believe that we are a final 4 team. The book is still out on ouch Lavins recruiting ability at ths school. Forget the UCLA recruiting as the schools name alone brought in the recruits.
No matter which way you slice it, losing a kid from Louisiana is one thing but losing a kid in your own back yard when you profess to be a national program is not good for business, and he's not the only one. Kudos to Maven for the info which on here and other sites is usually not quite accurate. Was it not just a few weeks ago that another poster on here stated that Lawrence was a done deal for St. johns?
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notice his t-shirt
http://mainestoryhoops.tumblr.com/ (http://mainestoryhoops.tumblr.com/)
Funny. People sitting next to him dont seem to be as happy.
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notice his t-shirt
http://mainestoryhoops.tumblr.com/ (http://mainestoryhoops.tumblr.com/)
Funny. People sitting next to him dont seem to be as happy.
It's a pretty crappy thing to do to your family. I hope the money was worth it. But who knows of the kid will ever see any of it. Handler may get the first check, or bag of money.
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In a year when the recruitment of a four or five player was a priority to the staff, Lavin and staff struck out on every player they recruited. Actually this is no different then Mahoney, Jarvis or Frannie who all had big recruited classes to start. It usually happens when a new staff comes in and creates a buzz and recruits all buy into the hype. However, the real recruiters do it in years 4,5 or 6 after all the fanfare has worn off.
To deny by any true fan that coach Lavins efforts in recruiting this season seem dismal at best is to believe that we are a final 4 team. The book is still out on ouch Lavins recruiting ability at ths school. Forget the UCLA recruiting as the schools name alone brought in the recruits.
No matter which way you slice it, losing a kid from Louisiana is one thing but losing a kid in your own back yard when you profess to be a national program is not good for business, and he's not the only one. Kudos to Maven for the info which on here and other sites is usually not quite accurate. Was it not just a few weeks ago that another poster on here stated that Lawrence was a done deal for St. johns?
All of them...To the Gallows! Coaches and Posters!
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Writing was on the wall when Lavin started saying that SJU might not get any 2013 recruits. Just puts more pressure on Lavin to score a big haul from 2014 class. Plus Lavin probably knows he's getting everyone back next year, so the pressure is off. Still hurts that Lawrence spurns his home town team, but other than Moe and arguably Obekpa, he's not shown a strong ability to recruit our local HS stars.
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Lavin got Moe and CO; lost Jermaine and McCullough. 2 for 4. We didn't pursue Omar Calhoun and I strongly suspect that we are not really after Whitehead. Frankly, other than the few I mentioned, I can't think of any local players that were worth chasing. Let's see how we do in 2014 and beyond before we say he can't recruit NY.
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Writing was on the wall when Lavin started saying that SJU might not get any 2013 recruits. Just puts more pressure on Lavin to score a big haul from 2014 class. Plus Lavin probably knows he's getting everyone back next year, so the pressure is off. Still hurts that Lawrence spurns his home town team, but other than Moe and arguably Obekpa, he's not shown a strong ability to recruit our local HS stars.
I dont think Lavin knows at all if Dlo or Sampson will be back, so the pressure is not off. I have faith Lavin will pick up at least one maybe two decent recruits this year even if we miss out on Jordan, but if Dlo and/or Sampson leave were gonna be middle of road big east team.
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Continue to be amazed by our fans.
Lavin whiffing left and right. People point to one or two kids and ignore an entire career history.
Ask guys like Kob what he hears about LAv on the recruiting trail.
Moe was top NYC player, no? Year 1 . Harrison , pretty good, no?
Year 2 best player in Ohio. Obekpa, top what? 30?
You people need to open your eyes. So Lawrence went to Cincy. So what? Now he can't recruit anymore?
This shit gets funnier by the day.
Btw- we are better this year than any experts predicted so far. Enjoy the season for crying out loud.
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Writing was on the wall when Lavin started saying that SJU might not get any 2013 recruits. Just puts more pressure on Lavin to score a big haul from 2014 class. Plus Lavin probably knows he's getting everyone back next year, so the pressure is off. Still hurts that Lawrence spurns his home town team, but other than Moe and arguably Obekpa, he's not shown a strong ability to recruit our local HS stars.
I dont think Lavin knows at all if Dlo or Sampson will be back, so the pressure is not off. I have faith Lavin will pick up at least one maybe two decent recruits this year even if we miss out on Jordan, but if Dlo and/or Sampson leave were gonna be middle of road big east team.
DLo and Sampson would be out of the f'n minds to leave. Both are not ready for the NBA, or the NBDL.
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Check out draftexpress.net. I can't see why either Sampson or Dlo would leave. This isn't Harkless Part II, where his stock was shooting up like a meteor last year.
Last, I trust KOB to provide real info, rather than posters who show up with agendas after disappearing during a 5 game winning street. We got the top NYC recruit in 2011, and top in 2012 IMO because I value Obekpa and his skill set/ upside more than Calhoun. The criticisms thus far about 2014 are fair and I'm with you guys on that.
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Obviously Poison. But every year in college hoops there are kids that make laughable decisions. Just need to hope STj isn't on the list.
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Continue to be amazed by our fans.
Lavin whiffing left and right. People point to one or two kids and ignore an entire career history.
Ask guys like Kob what he hears about LAv on the recruiting trail.
Moe was top NYC player, no? Year 1 . Harrison , pretty good, no?
Year 2 best player in Ohio. Obekpa, top what? 30?
You people need to open your eyes. So Lawrence went to Cincy. So what? Now he can't recruit anymore?
This shit gets funnier by the day.
Btw- we are better this year than any experts predicted so far. Enjoy the season for crying out loud.
Good post. It's amazing how some of our fans survived the Norm years.
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Continue to be amazed by our fans.
Lavin whiffing left and right. People point to one or two kids and ignore an entire career history.
Ask guys like Kob what he hears about LAv on the recruiting trail.
Moe was top NYC player, no? Year 1 . Harrison , pretty good, no?
Year 2 best player in Ohio. Obekpa, top what? 30?
You people need to open your eyes. So Lawrence went to Cincy. So what? Now he can't recruit anymore?
This shit gets funnier by the day.
Btw- we are better this year than any experts predicted so far. Enjoy the season for crying out loud.
You cant expect St Johns fans to use logic
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Continue to be amazed by our fans.
Lavin whiffing left and right. People point to one or two kids and ignore an entire career history.
Ask guys like Kob what he hears about LAv on the recruiting trail.
Moe was top NYC player, no? Year 1 . Harrison , pretty good, no?
Year 2 best player in Ohio. Obekpa, top what? 30?
You people need to open your eyes. So Lawrence went to Cincy. So what? Now he can't recruit anymore?
This shit gets funnier by the day.
Btw- we are better this year than any experts predicted so far. Enjoy the season for crying out loud.
It's not just losing Lawrence that is the issue, it's losing 4 or 5 other players we were in hot pursuit of when we desperately need inside players. If Sampson or Obekpa sustain an injury, we are in big trouble. With coach Lavins style of play, it is obvious that he needs top level talent to run his one on one offense. So if that talent is not comming, he will be limited in his offensive strategy. Career history? That was established at a school, UCLA whose name alone brings in recruits.
I am not saying that Lavin can't recruit but at this point, the book is still out on his recruiting prowess.
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Continue to be amazed by our fans.
Lavin whiffing left and right. People point to one or two kids and ignore an entire career history.
Ask guys like Kob what he hears about LAv on the recruiting trail.
Moe was top NYC player, no? Year 1 . Harrison , pretty good, no?
Year 2 best player in Ohio. Obekpa, top what? 30?
You people need to open your eyes. So Lawrence went to Cincy. So what? Now he can't recruit anymore?
This shit gets funnier by the day.
Btw- we are better this year than any experts predicted so far. Enjoy the season for crying out loud.
It's not just losing Lawrence that is the issue, it's losing 4 or 5 other players we were in hot pursuit of when we desperately need inside players. If Sampson or Obekpa sustain an injury, we are in big trouble. With coach Lavins style of play, it is obvious that he needs top level talent to run his one on one offense. So if that talent is not comming, he will be limited in his offensive strategy. Career history? That was established at a school, UCLA whose name alone brings in recruits.
I am not saying that Lavin can't recruit but at this point, the book is still out on his recruiting prowess.
While I agree that the lack of incoming bodies and poor positioning for 2014 is a concern, lavin has recruited at a level that st johns fans couldn't dream of five years ago. Next years team might RETURN 6 top 100 kids.
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Continue to be amazed by our fans.
Lavin whiffing left and right. People point to one or two kids and ignore an entire career history.
Ask guys like Kob what he hears about LAv on the recruiting trail.
Moe was top NYC player, no? Year 1 . Harrison , pretty good, no?
Year 2 best player in Ohio. Obekpa, top what? 30?
You people need to open your eyes. So Lawrence went to Cincy. So what? Now he can't recruit anymore?
This shit gets funnier by the day.
Btw- we are better this year than any experts predicted so far. Enjoy the season for crying out loud.
It's not just losing Lawrence that is the issue, it's losing 4 or 5 other players we were in hot pursuit of when we desperately need inside players. If Sampson or Obekpa sustain an injury, we are in big trouble. With coach Lavins style of play, it is obvious that he needs top level talent to run his one on one offense. So if that talent is not comming, he will be limited in his offensive strategy. Career history? That was established at a school, UCLA whose name alone brings in recruits.
I am not saying that Lavin can't recruit but at this point, the book is still out on his recruiting prowess.
While I agree that the lack of incoming bodies and poor positioning for 2014 is a concern, lavin has recruited at a level that st johns fans couldn't dream of five years ago. Next years team might RETURN 6 top 100 kids.
Brian Mahoneys first recruited class was rated higher...... Two top ten players in Lopez and Hamilton and another top 20 recruit, Roshown McCloud. Again I believe when any new coach hits a program ( except or Norm Roberts) the hype surrounding the new hire always brings in a few great recruits.
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Continue to be amazed by our fans.
Lavin whiffing left and right. People point to one or two kids and ignore an entire career history.
Ask guys like Kob what he hears about LAv on the recruiting trail.
Moe was top NYC player, no? Year 1 . Harrison , pretty good, no?
Year 2 best player in Ohio. Obekpa, top what? 30?
You people need to open your eyes. So Lawrence went to Cincy. So what? Now he can't recruit anymore?
This shit gets funnier by the day.
Btw- we are better this year than any experts predicted so far. Enjoy the season for crying out loud.
It's not just losing Lawrence that is the issue, it's losing 4 or 5 other players we were in hot pursuit of when we desperately need inside players. If Sampson or Obekpa sustain an injury, we are in big trouble. With coach Lavins style of play, it is obvious that he needs top level talent to run his one on one offense. So if that talent is not comming, he will be limited in his offensive strategy. Career history? That was established at a school, UCLA whose name alone brings in recruits.
I am not saying that Lavin can't recruit but at this point, the book is still out on his recruiting prowess.
While I agree that the lack of incoming bodies and poor positioning for 2014 is a concern, lavin has recruited at a level that st johns fans couldn't dream of five years ago. Next years team might RETURN 6 top 100 kids.
Brian Mahoneys first recruited class was rated higher...... Two top ten players in Lopez and Hamilton and another top 20 recruit, Roshown McCloud. Again I believe when any new coach hits a program ( except or Norm Roberts) the hype surrounding the new hire always brings in a few great recruits.
Not McCloud that year, Tarik Turner
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Check out draftexpress.net. I can't see why either Sampson or Dlo would leave. This isn't Harkless Part II, where his stock was shooting up like a meteor last year.
Last, I trust KOB to provide real info, rather than posters who show up with agendas after disappearing during a 5 game winning street. We got the top NYC recruit in 2011, and top in 2012 IMO because I value Obekpa and his skill set/ upside more than Calhoun. The criticisms thus far about 2014 are fair and I'm with you guys on that.
Amen.
The guys getting panicky over this need to look at who is agreeing with them. And she must have gotten healthy real quick with the crappy news.
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Obviously Poison. But every year in college hoops there are kids that make laughable decisions. Just need to hope STj isn't on the list.
Yes, there are. Perhaps we need another stupid player to make a stupid decision so that everyone will be reminded that the NBA doesn't care about a 6'1 shooting guard who can be shut down by an unranked team, or a 160 lb PF with no back to the basket game, and awful defensive habits.
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It's a loss for St. John's on sheer talent. There is no doubt that Lawrence would have been a nice compliment player in the front court. One thing Lavin said when he was hired was that he doesn't chase recruits and there were definitely some things that steered him away.
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You guys aren't understanding. Lavin will not chase a recruit plain and simple. Get down or lay down
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Kob - you think that's a good or bad thing?
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Definition of chase? Give in to ridiculous demands?
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My personal opinion I think it's cool. But u better have a backup plan or be one hell of a coach
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As Dave and kob said Coach does not chase recruits. He does that for 2 big reasons:
1) Ultimately it is a waste of time since the kid obviously wants to go somewhere else so why put in the energy (Some coaches do it to try to placate a fan base even though they know the kid isn't coming).
2) He is confident enough in his ability to find alternate kids somewhere else including other parts of the country.
Also keep this in mind when you think about other targets for this year besides Rysheed. Kids decommit/ask out of their NLI all the time in the Spring when the coaching carousel begins. In other words the unknown scenarios that no one knows until they occur.
Relax. Jermaine is a terrific talent and it would have been a nice get. But he is not the be all end all by any stretch.
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Obi-Wan: That boy is our last hope.
Yoda: No. There is another.
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Obi-Wan: That boy is our last hope.
Yoda: No. There is another.
^^ I love this guy..
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Obi-Wan: That boy is our last hope.
Yoda: No. There is another.
Cryptic, but I like... 8)
If Lavin really does have another ace up his sleeve, I'm impressed.
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Steve Lavin on recruiting:
Steve Lavin on Recruiting (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0nDFdFQGqs#)
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Obi-Wan: That boy is our last hope.
Yoda: No. There is another.
I hear ya !
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It's a mystery recruit. Great.
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Guys I don't try to act like I know much but in the long run this isn't that bad. There is a reason lav cancelled the visit. Some of y'all have to use your head and look at the fine print. Look what I have said about the kid or what Fordham said or what Dave said or just recently what zags said.
I was told a few days ago, we walked. I respect that, but hope the void for a solid big is filled this year.
Paultzman...Walked because he (or his handler) told us we weren't getting him or because he wasn't worth baggage that some folks seem to be alluding to?
Too much nonsense is what I was told fwiw.
Interesting...sounds like A-Rod's recruitment by Mets
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It's a mystery recruit. Great.
Really no plan B guys right now. Transfers/Jucos are tough too due to roster imbalance.
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I'm not too upset with this. I'd rather have Sampson with two prep years in the best league in the country and a season of 30 mpg in the Big East than a similarly skilled 18 year old frosh with a half of a senior season in a weak league in northwest NJ.
He's a highly ranked and highly skilled kid, but he's rail thin and not a banger or a center. He would have been the third big behind JS and CO.
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Big deal, so we lost a recruit, so what! Aren't you guys satisfied with all the national championships we have won lately? Oh, that's right, we haven't won any.
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It's been a tough week. If you adhere to the old " bad news comes in threes" proverb, then we are due for good news after losing to G Town, losing Branch and losing Lawrence. Could Rysheed be a tester of intent away?
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at least when thing's don't work out and he transfers after first semester next year he won't have to sit out two years....
here's hopin' someone in his family get's "sick" so he can get a waiver :buck2:
also - if Jakarr one and done's does Jermaine spur Cincy and sign with SJU?
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Well we could do an Iona. Find some big local kid playing out of town. Have a vet certify the family cat is sick. And apply for wavier from the NCCA ::)
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This hurts us because he would have made us so much bigger playing up front with JaKarr and Chris. We would have went from 6'3 to 6'9 at the 3 spot. Gift and Obekpa can't play on the court together.
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at least when thing's don't work out and he transfers after first semester next year he won't have to sit out two years....
here's hopin' someone in his family get's "sick" so he can get a waiver :buck2:
also - if Jakarr one and done's does Jermaine spur Cincy and sign with SJU?
Who would draft a guy w no position? He can't play the 3 in the NBA, and he can barely play the 4 in college.
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Cronin runs a nice program at Cincinnati, Lawrence is going nowhere unless he gets homesick.
With that said, Cincinnati has never featured a front court player during Cronin's tenure.
Lawrence likes playing on the perimeter so I guess that will be his role.
Time to move on.
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Cronin runs a nice program at Cincinnati, Lawrence is going nowhere unless he gets homesick.
With that said, Cincinnati has never featured a front court player during Cronin's tenure.
Lawrence likes playing on the perimeter so I guess that will be his role.
Time to move on.
Cronin featured Yancy Gates. A former top 20 recruit who is probably tearing it up in some penal system league.
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You guys aren't understanding. Lavin will not chase a recruit plain and simple. Get down or lay down-KOB
I don't really get involved in commenting on recruiting for the simple reason that I do not follow HS basketball. I do have a question though. Some of you are applauding coach for not "chasing" recruits. Now I do not have a problem with that either, but didn't some of you kill Jarvis for same approach? What is the difference?
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To everyone pressing the panic button, just remember back to last year at this time.
We had no one and everyone was panicking. Lavin ended up getting Jakarr and Obekpa to sign on the line. I'm not saying that guys like that are out there, but let's at least wait and see what happens through the spring signing period before calling recruiting efforts a failure.
Fans have short memories when it comes to positives, long memories when it comes to negatives.
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To everyone pressing the panic button, just remember back to last year at this time.
We had no one and everyone was panicking. Lavin ended up getting Jakarr and Obekpa to sign on the line. I'm not saying that guys like that are out there, but let's at least wait and see what happens through the spring signing period before calling recruiting efforts a failure.
Fans have short memories when it comes to positives, long memories when it comes to negatives.
True. I don't want to sound negative on this glorious Monday but also he wasn't coaching last year and could focus on recruiting more. And there were more guys still not committed.
We will see. Honestly I don't care much about Jordan. I know our need is down low and would rather focus on that and hope some new targets pop up.
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To everyone pressing the panic button, just remember back to last year at this time.
We had no one and everyone was panicking. Lavin ended up getting Jakarr and Obekpa to sign on the line. I'm not saying that guys like that are out there, but let's at least wait and see what happens through the spring signing period before calling recruiting efforts a failure.
Fans have short memories when it comes to positives, long memories when it comes to negatives.
Agreed. Plus there is a good probability of having 11 scholarship players next year, all of whom have college experience, 6 of them being top 100 recruits out of HS.
The bigger question, to me, is can we turn it up on the recruiting trail for 2014 so the program isn't forced into another rebuild in 2015? I haven't seen any of the 2014-15-16 kids but it seems like the metro area is flush with high major talent.
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To everyone pressing the panic button, just remember back to last year at this time.
We had no one and everyone was panicking. Lavin ended up getting Jakarr and Obekpa to sign on the line. I'm not saying that guys like that are out there, but let's at least wait and see what happens through the spring signing period before calling recruiting efforts a failure.
Fans have short memories when it comes to positives, long memories when it comes to negatives.
True. I don't want to sound negative on this glorious Monday but also he wasn't coaching last year and could focus on recruiting more. And there were more guys still not committed.
We will see. Honestly I don't care much about Jordan. I know our need is down low and would rather focus on that and hope some new targets pop up.
IMO Jordan is very important because he is a very good at penetrating and getting to the hoop. Something we don't have. Jordan can be a dominant guard and different than what we have. Our two biggest needs are a guard who can penetrate and a post banger/scorer. We can focus on both because I still think we will bring 2 in if the right guys are available.
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To everyone pressing the panic button, just remember back to last year at this time.
We had no one and everyone was panicking. Lavin ended up getting Jakarr and Obekpa to sign on the line. I'm not saying that guys like that are out there, but let's at least wait and see what happens through the spring signing period before calling recruiting efforts a failure.
Fans have short memories when it comes to positives, long memories when it comes to negatives.
True. I don't want to sound negative on this glorious Monday but also he wasn't coaching last year and could focus on recruiting more. And there were more guys still not committed.
We will see. Honestly I don't care much about Jordan. I know our need is down low and would rather focus on that and hope some new targets pop up.
IMO Jordan is very important because he is a very good at penetrating and getting to the hoop. Something we don't have. Jordan can be a dominant guard and different than what we have. Our two biggest needs are a guard who can penetrate and a post banger/scorer. We can focus on both because I still think we will bring 2 in if the right guys are available.
I'd feel the same if we didn't have 3 guards already dominating minutes.
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Guys I don't try to act like I know much but in the long run this isn't that bad. There is a reason lav cancelled the visit. Some of y'all have to use your head and look at the fine print. Look what I have said about the kid or what Fordham said or what Dave said or just recently what zags said.
I was told a few days ago, we walked. I respect that, but hope the void for a solid big is filled this year.
Paultzman...Walked because he (or his handler) told us we weren't getting him or because he wasn't worth baggage that some folks seem to be alluding to?
Too much nonsense is what I was told fwiw.
Obviously there was a lot of talk out there. I posted several times that he was a Cincy lean and that Lavin postponed the visit. Unfortunately turned out to be true.
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Guys I don't try to act like I know much but in the long run this isn't that bad. There is a reason lav cancelled the visit. Some of y'all have to use your head and look at the fine print. Look what I have said about the kid or what Fordham said or what Dave said or just recently what zags said.
I was told a few days ago, we walked. I respect that, but hope the void for a solid big is filled this year.
Paultzman...Walked because he (or his handler) told us we weren't getting him or because he wasn't worth baggage that some folks seem to be alluding to?
Too much nonsense is what I was told fwiw.
Obviously there was a lot of talk out there. I posted several times that he was a Cincy lean and that Lavin postponed the visit. Unfortunately turned out to be true.
You were on the money.
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What I don't get is lavin recruited this kid for however long and all of a sudden something pops up he didn't like and walked away. What changed? Sounds like lavs wasted a lot of his time that could have gone into another recruit.
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Yesterday was the first time I heard the name Alexes Hargrove, so I Google her. Seems she was doing a documentary on Naclerio.
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/high_school/basketball/reality_ron_sny_set_coach_televise_AgSIapvm7egkYzl8IENPTN (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/high_school/basketball/reality_ron_sny_set_coach_televise_AgSIapvm7egkYzl8IENPTN)
I'm guessing that's how she hooked up with Jermaine and his family. I'm also surmising, from what I'm reading, that she steered Jermaine to Pope John in NJ, as well as to Cinci. Now it seems that, as far as the handler, it was a done deal. Just had to convince the kid and his family that she knows what's best for Jermaine.
From the NY Post:
Alexes Hargrove, a friend of the family helping in Lawrence's recruitment, said he will cut his list to five at some point in August. Lawrence said he has no favorites, but Cincinnati assistant Darren Savino has made a major push.
"Darren has been at every game, almost everywhere Jermaine has been," Hargrove said. "Either him or [head coach] Mick Cronin show up to support Jermaine."
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/high_school/basketball/lawrence_meteoric_rise_continued_CcnnZSTbdBSrpSHbcH7EWL (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/high_school/basketball/lawrence_meteoric_rise_continued_CcnnZSTbdBSrpSHbcH7EWL)
Oh well. Seems that a filmmaker and "Hollywood" Lavin would have been a perfect fit. :)
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It's time to let go of Norm, and Maven's info is wrong.
Not that I ever have any inside info myself anymore but from reading all the St. John's boards for years, the so called Maven has been wrongo many, many times.
now you know the maven!
please...no sour grapes. this is a big loss.
i like lavin's track record. we'll live.
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You guys aren't understanding. Lavin will not chase a recruit plain and simple. Get down or lay down-KOB
I don't really get involved in commenting on recruiting for the simple reason that I do not follow HS basketball. I do have a question though. Some of you are applauding coach for not "chasing" recruits. Now I do not have a problem with that either, but didn't some of you kill Jarvis for same approach? What is the difference?
Jarvis sat idle and expected recruits to come to him. Lavin is more calculated in his approach of targeting recruits.
-If Lav has no shot at a recruit he's not going to go after him
-If a recruit becomes to high maintenance he's distancing himself
-If a recruit has too many outside influences that become problematic he's distancing himself
Lawrence handler had a lot of demands. I don't want to say too much but one example is his handler is already fishing for TV deals for a reality show on Jermaine going to the draft. Ironically Cincy has some experience with this kind of thing.
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You guys aren't understanding. Lavin will not chase a recruit plain and simple. Get down or lay down-KOB
I don't really get involved in commenting on recruiting for the simple reason that I do not follow HS basketball. I do have a question though. Some of you are applauding coach for not "chasing" recruits. Now I do not have a problem with that either, but didn't some of you kill Jarvis for same approach? What is the difference?
Jarvis sat idle and expected recruits to come to him. Lavin is more calculated in his approach of targeting recruits.
-If Lav has no shot at a recruit he's not going to go after him
-If a recruit becomes to high maintenance he's distancing himself
-If a recruit has too many outside influences that become problematic he's distancing himself
Lawrence handler had a lot of demands. I don't want to say too much but one example is his handler is already fishing for TV deals for a reality show on Jermaine going to the draft. Ironically Cincy has some experience with this kind of thing.
Lance
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Yes I was wrong but man a lot of posters here have some really ggod insight as to what occured and how it went down. I am sorry for getting your hopes up and feeding what turned out to be bad info. Yes I was going to name Alexes Hargrove as the handler by name but its already out there. Also as I have posted previously me and Mr Zagoria have had differences before but on this one hes dead on. This women munipulated this kid beyond belief...Cinci is a good program and in my limited exposure to their staff they are good accoutable men but this kid and his family wanted SJU. As for LAvin backing away the last few weeks as some posters have mentioned I didnt know that but im sure they are right, again my bad. This is a really bad situation and a really bad indication of whats going on out there with these kids and at times in the past ive been as quilty as anyone but this one and this women ia one for the record books. Lav iand Tony are good men and like Dave said know the reality of recruiting and I can tell you they are working as hard as anybody.....Again sorry, no excuses but when a family memeber tells me SJU I believed her...more will come out about her in the coming weeks.....
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Yes I was wrong but man a lot of posters here have some really ggod insight as to what occured and how it went down. I am sorry for getting your hopes up and feeding what turned out to be bad info. Yes I was going to name Alexes Hargrove as the handler by name but its already out there. Also as I have posted previously me and Mr Zagoria have had differences before but on this one hes dead on. This women munipulated this kid beyond belief...Cinci is a good program and in my limited exposure to their staff they are good accoutable men but this kid and his family wanted SJU. As for LAvin backing away the last few weeks as some posters have mentioned I didnt know that but im sure they are right, again my bad. This is a really bad situation and a really bad indication of whats going on out there with these kids and at times in the past ive been as quilty as anyone but this one and this women ia one for the record books. Lav iand Tony are good men and like Dave said know the reality of recruiting and I can tell you they are working as hard as anybody.....Again sorry, no excuses but when a family memeber tells me SJU I believed her...more will come out about her in the coming weeks.....
All good 79. I think a lot of the in the know posters hoped and felt family would win out.
Any idea of Plan B's?
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Yes I was wrong but man a lot of posters here have some really ggod insight as to what occured and how it went down. I am sorry for getting your hopes up and feeding what turned out to be bad info. Yes I was going to name Alexes Hargrove as the handler by name but its already out there. Also as I have posted previously me and Mr Zagoria have had differences before but on this one hes dead on. This women munipulated this kid beyond belief...Cinci is a good program and in my limited exposure to their staff they are good accoutable men but this kid and his family wanted SJU. As for LAvin backing away the last few weeks as some posters have mentioned I didnt know that but im sure they are right, again my bad. This is a really bad situation and a really bad indication of whats going on out there with these kids and at times in the past ive been as quilty as anyone but this one and this women ia one for the record books. Lav iand Tony are good men and like Dave said know the reality of recruiting and I can tell you they are working as hard as anybody.....Again sorry, no excuses but when a family memeber tells me SJU I believed her...more will come out about her in the coming weeks.....
Hey 79, thanks for all your past info. I value your insight. No sweat on this fiasco! This is one for the ages.
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the name of Hargrove's production company is Tenth & Fifth Films. All her projects are basketball related.
https://twitter.com/10thn5thFilms (https://twitter.com/10thn5thFilms)
http://vimeo.com/tnffs (http://vimeo.com/tnffs)
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=5006708 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=5006708)
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Yes I was wrong but man a lot of posters here have some really ggod insight as to what occured and how it went down. I am sorry for getting your hopes up and feeding what turned out to be bad info. Yes I was going to name Alexes Hargrove as the handler by name but its already out there. Also as I have posted previously me and Mr Zagoria have had differences before but on this one hes dead on. This women munipulated this kid beyond belief...Cinci is a good program and in my limited exposure to their staff they are good accoutable men but this kid and his family wanted SJU. As for LAvin backing away the last few weeks as some posters have mentioned I didnt know that but im sure they are right, again my bad. This is a really bad situation and a really bad indication of whats going on out there with these kids and at times in the past ive been as quilty as anyone but this one and this women ia one for the record books. Lav iand Tony are good men and like Dave said know the reality of recruiting and I can tell you they are working as hard as anybody.....Again sorry, no excuses but when a family memeber tells me SJU I believed her...more will come out about her in the coming weeks.....
Thanks for the info.
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The loss of first Wainwright and now Lawrence is troubling, especially with both committing elsewhere before visiting. Sure. However, it sounds like we've been spoiled. We were down to the wire with a top 20 recruit who we had no business talking to before Lavin came in. We are by no means a perennial tournament team YET. Lavin's brought us this far with recruiting, I trust he has a lot left in the tank. We take the loss and move on.
I didn't mind too much Wainright committing else where. It is more striking out on the two local kids (McCollough and Lawrence). It also doesn't appear we have a legitimate back-up plan.
It is one thing to strike out with this class, but we can't afford to also strike out with the 2014 class.
Your right. Never would have thought we missed on both Jermaine and Chris.
Exactly, I was a lot less concerned about signing Jermaine 6 months ago when I thought we had a bigger better version of him in our back pocket, set to come a year later.
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I'm sorry poison I disagree I don't think he is a big loss. I could be wrong but I doubt it
You don't have to get every NYC high school star, but you need to get your share. Don't get me wrong, I think 99% of these NYC are entitled overrated punks, not all of them. When you focus on a Queens kid, and he bolts for Cincinnati, you have either dropped the ball recruiting, or someone(s) is cheating.
For Cincinnati to land any coveted New Yorker, something fishy must be going on.
Jermaine probably thinks he's one and done material, and he might be.
It looks like we'll have returning; a potential 1st/2nd team all conference forward in Jakarr who scored 15ppg as a frosh, a vastly improved Dom Pointer, and an experienced role player in Garrett. Plus, Obekpa who's a qausi- power forward. And, assuming nothing ridiculous happens, we'll have a junior shooting guard who avgs 20ppg, and takes 15+ shots a night.
At forward Cincy returns Rubles and Justin Jackson who are 5pt/5reb guys, and Shaq Thomas who barely plays.
Plus their 2nd and 3rd leading scorers Cashmere Wright and Parker are set to graduate. And, it's not out of the question Kilpatrick goes into the draf this year..
It's not ridiculous to think Jermaine gets more touches and to showcase himself more at Cincinnatti next year. Would he play meaningful minutes for us? Of course. But there are only so many shots and minutes to go around. Moe and Jakarr both came here and got all the minutes and shots they could handle... and it helped them look like studs. JL probably wants to do the same.
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I'm sorry poison I disagree I don't think he is a big loss. I could be wrong but I doubt it
You don't have to get every NYC high school star, but you need to get your share. Don't get me wrong, I think 99% of these NYC are entitled overrated punks, not all of them. When you focus on a Queens kid, and he bolts for Cincinnati, you have either dropped the ball recruiting, or someone(s) is cheating.
For Cincinnati to land any coveted New Yorker, something fishy must be going on.
Jermaine probably thinks he's one and done material, and he might be.
It looks like we'll have returning; a potential 1st/2nd team all conference forward in Jakarr who scored 15ppg as a frosh, a vastly improved Dom Pointer, and an experienced role player in Garrett. Plus, Obekpa who's a qausi- power forward. And, assuming nothing ridiculous happens, we'll have a junior shooting guard who avgs 20ppg, and takes 15+ shots a night.
At forward Cincy returns Rubles and Justin Jackson who are 5pt/5reb guys, and Shaq Thomas who barely plays.
Plus their 2nd and 3rd leading scorers Cashmere Wright and Parker are set to graduate. And, it's not out of the question Kilpatrick goes into the draf this year..
It's not ridiculous to think Jermaine gets more touches and to showcase himself more at Cincinnatti next year. Would he play meaningful minutes for us? Of course. But there are only so many shots and minutes to go around. Moe and Jakarr both came here and got all the minutes and shots they could handle... and it helped them look like studs. JL probably wants to do the same.
JL and family are definitely looking at one and done. While he would have plenty of starters minutes with us, it's very possible he'd be 2nd or 3rd option at best.
Also, doesn't the Cincy arena have the same name as that film company.[/
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-If a recruit becomes to high maintenance he's distancing himself
-If a recruit has too many outside influences that become problematic he's distancing himself
These things are just not true....
We recruited kids out of Brewster, QEI & OSNA - there are not three programs inthe country that come with more "outsides influences" to deal with. The coaches there practically hold the kids transcripts hostage and if you want a kid from their school, you MUST deal with them.
Obekpa & Sampson were as high maintenance recruits as there were, we wanted them badly so the program dealt with them.
Coach Lavin will deal with what he feels ok dealing with. Sadly today, too many of these kids come with BS surrounding them and its gotten out of control.
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I'm sorry poison I disagree I don't think he is a big loss. I could be wrong but I doubt it
You don't have to get every NYC high school star, but you need to get your share. Don't get me wrong, I think 99% of these NYC are entitled overrated punks, not all of them. When you focus on a Queens kid, and he bolts for Cincinnati, you have either dropped the ball recruiting, or someone(s) is cheating.
For Cincinnati to land any coveted New Yorker, something fishy must be going on.
Jermaine probably thinks he's one and done material, and he might be.
It looks like we'll have returning; a potential 1st/2nd team all conference forward in Jakarr who scored 15ppg as a frosh, a vastly improved Dom Pointer, and an experienced role player in Garrett. Plus, Obekpa who's a qausi- power forward. And, assuming nothing ridiculous happens, we'll have a junior shooting guard who avgs 20ppg, and takes 15+ shots a night.
At forward Cincy returns Rubles and Justin Jackson who are 5pt/5reb guys, and Shaq Thomas who barely plays.
Plus their 2nd and 3rd leading scorers Cashmere Wright and Parker are set to graduate. And, it's not out of the question Kilpatrick goes into the draf this year..
It's not ridiculous to think Jermaine gets more touches and to showcase himself more at Cincinnatti next year. Would he play meaningful minutes for us? Of course. But there are only so many shots and minutes to go around. Moe and Jakarr both came here and got all the minutes and shots they could handle... and it helped them look like studs. JL probably wants to do the same.
I agree with your assessment on PT. The handler as a documentary maker was probably looking for a "guaranteed" one and done situation as that makes for a better documentary that someone getting 10/15 minutes per game as a frosh playing behind an experienced Jakarr and Chris and Gift and, who knows, Orlando.
Even as a parent who was looking for the kid to get to the next level ASAP, I would have considered the PT available at Cin to be easier to come by rather than think long term.
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The biggest blow about losing Jermain is his height. 7 more inches on the back line is a big deal. Now we have to hope that both Jakarr and Chris come back 10 pounds stronger next year and can man the 4-5 for 30 minutes a piece. Dom continues to improve and Amir can refine his game so he can play more 3.
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the name of Hargrove's production company is Tenth & Fifth Films. All her projects are basketball related.
https://twitter.com/10thn5thFilms (https://twitter.com/10thn5thFilms)
http://vimeo.com/tnffs (http://vimeo.com/tnffs)
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=5006708 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=5006708)
Googling turns up some crazy things-
http://www.rfcexpress.com/lawsuits/copyright-lawsuits/new-york-eastern-district-court/68200/alexes-hargrove-et-al-v-adam-scigliano-et-al/summary/ (http://www.rfcexpress.com/lawsuits/copyright-lawsuits/new-york-eastern-district-court/68200/alexes-hargrove-et-al-v-adam-scigliano-et-al/summary/)
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Old Alex Evans and
In recent years, Scigliano has developed content and a creative model for several shows and events including the award winning Red Storm Report, EBC Live at Rucker Park, Inside The Big East, and Stomping on the Yard. He has also directed Streetball: The And 1 Mixtape Tour, which was broadcast on ESPN for eight years.
Animosity for SJU anyone?
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Yeah, I saw that lawsuit thing too. I don't know how it is relevent to basketball. That's just a natural part of doing business.
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Yeah, I saw that lawsuit thing too. I don't know how it is relevent to basketball. That's just a natural part of doing business.
Well Alex Evans used to work at STJ
And Adam used to be a team manager at STJ under Jarvis.
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I see. Didn't pick up on that.
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Yeah, I saw that lawsuit thing too. I don't know how it is relevent to basketball. That's just a natural part of doing business.
Well Alex Evans used to work at STJ
And Adam used to be a team manager at STJ under Jarvis.
and Adam went to Cordoza.
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Her lawyer, Joe Giamo is, I believe, an STJ grad (not sure if law or undergrad or both) and used to own Joe O's across from the garden.
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Regarding a plan "B"..
“If we don’t sign anybody, that’s fine,” Lavin said. “If we have this group back next year, great. We’re only going to bring someone in if we feel they add value or they fill a need.”
“We have our priorities and our kids targeted and if we get them, we take them, but if we don’t and we lose out on them, we already have that next class we’re locked in on and focused on,” Lavin said.
- January 11th, 2013
Could be coach-speak, but he pretty much said they identified Rhysheed and Jermaine, and that's going to be it.
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Regarding a plan "B"..
“If we don’t sign anybody, that’s fine,” Lavin said. “If we have this group back next year, great. We’re only going to bring someone in if we feel they add value or they fill a need.”
“We have our priorities and our kids targeted and if we get them, we take them, but if we don’t and we lose out on them, we already have that next class we’re locked in on and focused on,” Lavin said.
- January 11th, 2013
Could be coach-speak, but he pretty much said they identified Rhysheed and Jermaine, and that's going to be it.
True. However, If Jordan decides Temple, I think they bring in a Jc or a transfer, big man to help out down low. He pretty much has to.
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Regarding a plan "B"..
“If we don’t sign anybody, that’s fine,” Lavin said. “If we have this group back next year, great. We’re only going to bring someone in if we feel they add value or they fill a need.”
“We have our priorities and our kids targeted and if we get them, we take them, but if we don’t and we lose out on them, we already have that next class we’re locked in on and focused on,” Lavin said.
- January 11th, 2013
Could be coach-speak, but he pretty much said they identified Rhysheed and Jermaine, and that's going to be it.
True. However, If Jordan decides Temple, I think they bring in a Jc or a transfer, big man to help out down low. He pretty much has to.
I would agree, that's something we could use.
And those kinda guys do exist.. look at our Big East brethren. What I don't think we'll find is that 6'10- 7'0 true center. If they have any talent, those guys are scooped up quick. Plus I don't know that Lavin wants that.
But this, we can find...
Eugene Teague SHU, 6'9 290lbs - transfer
Victor Rudd USF 6'9 235lbs - transfer
Wally Judge RUT 6'9 250lbs - transfer
Titus Rubles CIN 6'7 210 - JUCO
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Regarding a plan "B"..
“If we don’t sign anybody, that’s fine,” Lavin said. “If we have this group back next year, great. We’re only going to bring someone in if we feel they add value or they fill a need.”
“We have our priorities and our kids targeted and if we get them, we take them, but if we don’t and we lose out on them, we already have that next class we’re locked in on and focused on,” Lavin said.
- January 11th, 2013
Could be coach-speak, but he pretty much said they identified Rhysheed and Jermaine, and that's going to be it.
True. However, If Jordan decides Temple, I think they bring in a Jc or a transfer, big man to help out down low. He pretty much has to.
I would agree, that's something we could use.
And those kinda guys do exist.. look at our Big East brethren. What I don't think we'll find is that 6'10- 7'0 true center. If they have any talent, those guys are scooped up quick. Plus I don't know that Lavin wants that.
But this, we can find...
Eugene Teague SHU, 6'9 290lbs - transfer
Victor Rudd USF 6'9 235lbs - transfer
Wally Judge RUT 6'9 250lbs - transfer
Titus Rubles CIN 6'7 210 - JUCO
You brought up Rudd and I didn't realize he transferred to USF. So I pulled up his bio
?????? I don't ever recall his name.
http://www.gousfbulls.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=7700&ATCLID=204993532 (http://www.gousfbulls.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=7700&ATCLID=204993532)
Chose USF over offers from Marquette, St. John's, Miami and San Diego State.
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the name of Hargrove's production company is Tenth & Fifth Films. All her projects are basketball related.
https://twitter.com/10thn5thFilms (https://twitter.com/10thn5thFilms)
http://vimeo.com/tnffs (http://vimeo.com/tnffs)
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=5006708 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=5006708)
Googling turns up some crazy things-
http://www.rfcexpress.com/lawsuits/copyright-lawsuits/new-york-eastern-district-court/68200/alexes-hargrove-et-al-v-adam-scigliano-et-al/summary/ (http://www.rfcexpress.com/lawsuits/copyright-lawsuits/new-york-eastern-district-court/68200/alexes-hargrove-et-al-v-adam-scigliano-et-al/summary/)
Moose, is the Alex Evans listed as the second defendant the same person who achieved notoriety in the Abe Keita fiasco?
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Cronin runs a nice program at Cincinnati, Lawrence is going nowhere unless he gets homesick.
With that said, Cincinnati has never featured a front court player during Cronin's tenure.
Lawrence likes playing on the perimeter so I guess that will be his role.
Time to move on.
Cronin was supportive of the C7 and does do a good job...rather Lawrence go there than any of the others...
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the name of Hargrove's production company is Tenth & Fifth Films. All her projects are basketball related.
https://twitter.com/10thn5thFilms (https://twitter.com/10thn5thFilms)
http://vimeo.com/tnffs (http://vimeo.com/tnffs)
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=5006708 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=5006708)
Googling turns up some crazy things-
http://www.rfcexpress.com/lawsuits/copyright-lawsuits/new-york-eastern-district-court/68200/alexes-hargrove-et-al-v-adam-scigliano-et-al/summary/ (http://www.rfcexpress.com/lawsuits/copyright-lawsuits/new-york-eastern-district-court/68200/alexes-hargrove-et-al-v-adam-scigliano-et-al/summary/)
Moose, is the Alex Evans listed as the second defendant the same person who achieved notoriety in the Abe Keita fiasco?
Pretty sure.
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Regarding a plan "B"..
“If we don’t sign anybody, that’s fine,” Lavin said. “If we have this group back next year, great. We’re only going to bring someone in if we feel they add value or they fill a need.”
“We have our priorities and our kids targeted and if we get them, we take them, but if we don’t and we lose out on them, we already have that next class we’re locked in on and focused on,” Lavin said.
- January 11th, 2013
Could be coach-speak, but he pretty much said they identified Rhysheed and Jermaine, and that's going to be it.
True. However, If Jordan decides Temple, I think they bring in a Jc or a transfer, big man to help out down low. He pretty much has to.
I would agree, that's something we could use.
And those kinda guys do exist.. look at our Big East brethren. What I don't think we'll find is that 6'10- 7'0 true center. If they have any talent, those guys are scooped up quick. Plus I don't know that Lavin wants that.
But this, we can find...
Eugene Teague SHU, 6'9 290lbs - transfer
Victor Rudd USF 6'9 235lbs - transfer
Wally Judge RUT 6'9 250lbs - transfer
Titus Rubles CIN 6'7 210 - JUCO
You brought up Rudd and I didn't realize he transferred to USF. So I pulled up his bio
?????? I don't ever recall his name.
http://www.gousfbulls.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=7700&ATCLID=204993532 (http://www.gousfbulls.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=7700&ATCLID=204993532)
Chose USF over offers from Marquette, St. John's, Miami and San Diego State.
Really? It says he's from CA... and we were recruiting him? don't remember that at all.
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Regarding a plan "B"..
“If we don’t sign anybody, that’s fine,” Lavin said. “If we have this group back next year, great. We’re only going to bring someone in if we feel they add value or they fill a need.”
“We have our priorities and our kids targeted and if we get them, we take them, but if we don’t and we lose out on them, we already have that next class we’re locked in on and focused on,” Lavin said.
- January 11th, 2013
Could be coach-speak, but he pretty much said they identified Rhysheed and Jermaine, and that's going to be it.
True. However, If Jordan decides Temple, I think they bring in a Jc or a transfer, big man to help out down low. He pretty much has to.
I would agree, that's something we could use.
And those kinda guys do exist.. look at our Big East brethren. What I don't think we'll find is that 6'10- 7'0 true center. If they have any talent, those guys are scooped up quick. Plus I don't know that Lavin wants that.
But this, we can find...
Eugene Teague SHU, 6'9 290lbs - transfer
Victor Rudd USF 6'9 235lbs - transfer
Wally Judge RUT 6'9 250lbs - transfer
Titus Rubles CIN 6'7 210 - JUCO
You brought up Rudd and I didn't realize he transferred to USF. So I pulled up his bio
?????? I don't ever recall his name.
http://www.gousfbulls.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=7700&ATCLID=204993532 (http://www.gousfbulls.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=7700&ATCLID=204993532)
Chose USF over offers from Marquette, St. John's, Miami and San Diego State.
Really? It says he's from CA... and we were recruiting him? don't remember that at all.
I never recall his name at all. Anyone?
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pretty interesting/surprising that STJ twitter guy addressed a recruiting question:
@Squidman708 There's a spring signing period. Plus we have zero to one scholarships available right now. #stjbb
leads me to believe staff and admin are getting a lot of heat and trying to control press.
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pretty interesting/surprising that STJ twitter guy addressed a recruiting question:
@Squidman708 There's a spring signing period. Plus we have zero to one scholarships available right now. #stjbb
leads me to believe staff and admin are getting a lot of heat and trying to control press.
Don't think there's any heat. Personally think the twitter guy shouldn't respond to stuff like this though.
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You guys aren't understanding. Lavin will not chase a recruit plain and simple. Get down or lay down-KOB
I don't really get involved in commenting on recruiting for the simple reason that I do not follow HS basketball. I do have a question though. Some of you are applauding coach for not "chasing" recruits. Now I do not have a problem with that either, but didn't some of you kill Jarvis for same approach? What is the difference?
Jarvis sat idle and expected recruits to come to him. Lavin is more calculated in his approach of targeting recruits.
-If Lav has no shot at a recruit he's not going to go after him
-If a recruit becomes to high maintenance he's distancing himself
-If a recruit has too many outside influences that become problematic he's distancing himself
Lawrence handler had a lot of demands. I don't want to say too much but one example is his handler is already fishing for TV deals for a reality show on Jermaine going to the draft. Ironically Cincy has some experience with this kind of thing.
Said this earler...sounds like A-Rod's negotiation with the Mets...If the example cited above is just the tip of the iceberg, can't say I blame Lavin...too bad he didnt realize this before we got too far down the road...
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Yes I was wrong but man a lot of posters here have some really ggod insight as to what occured and how it went down. I am sorry for getting your hopes up and feeding what turned out to be bad info. Yes I was going to name Alexes Hargrove as the handler by name but its already out there. Also as I have posted previously me and Mr Zagoria have had differences before but on this one hes dead on. This women munipulated this kid beyond belief...Cinci is a good program and in my limited exposure to their staff they are good accoutable men but this kid and his family wanted SJU. As for LAvin backing away the last few weeks as some posters have mentioned I didnt know that but im sure they are right, again my bad. This is a really bad situation and a really bad indication of whats going on out there with these kids and at times in the past ive been as quilty as anyone but this one and this women ia one for the record books. Lav iand Tony are good men and like Dave said know the reality of recruiting and I can tell you they are working as hard as anybody.....Again sorry, no excuses but when a family memeber tells me SJU I believed her...more will come out about her in the coming weeks.....
79...I am sure your info was good at the time...these things are a snapshot in time...who would think that a 3rd party would have this much impact on a kid and his parents...
based on my daughter's college selection process, kids dream school seems to change from moment to moment
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the name of Hargrove's production company is Tenth & Fifth Films. All her projects are basketball related.
https://twitter.com/10thn5thFilms (https://twitter.com/10thn5thFilms)
http://vimeo.com/tnffs (http://vimeo.com/tnffs)
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=5006708 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/news/story?id=5006708)
Googling turns up some crazy things-
http://www.rfcexpress.com/lawsuits/copyright-lawsuits/new-york-eastern-district-court/68200/alexes-hargrove-et-al-v-adam-scigliano-et-al/summary/ (http://www.rfcexpress.com/lawsuits/copyright-lawsuits/new-york-eastern-district-court/68200/alexes-hargrove-et-al-v-adam-scigliano-et-al/summary/)
Moose, is the Alex Evans listed as the second defendant the same person who achieved notoriety in the Abe Keita fiasco?
Pretty sure.
It's him. Was always nice to me years ago and was very tight with kids here in the city as you'd expect from his pedigree. A few on this board know him pretty well.
Mistake "working" with Alexes on some reality project focusing on Ron&Cardozo.
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pretty interesting/surprising that STJ twitter guy addressed a recruiting question:
@Squidman708 There's a spring signing period. Plus we have zero to one scholarships available right now. #stjbb
leads me to believe staff and admin are getting a lot of heat and trying to control press.
Don't think there's any heat. Personally think the twitter guy shouldn't respond to stuff like this though.
He shouldn't.
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To everyone pressing the panic button, just remember back to last year at this time.
We had no one and everyone was panicking. Lavin ended up getting Jakarr and Obekpa to sign on the line. I'm not saying that guys like that are out there, but let's at least wait and see what happens through the spring signing period before calling recruiting efforts a failure.
Fans have short memories when it comes to positives, long memories when it comes to negatives.
It is a very fair point Boo. We're all prone to overreacting.
But at the same time, it's foolish not to acknowledge things that go poorly.
We started the year with a recruiting list that looked like this:
Jermaine Lawrence
Ishmail Wainwright
Jerrell Martin
Rhysheed Jordan
even the Jones kid from LA
and we were after both McCullough and Whitehead for '14
We struck out on all of them except Jordan, who we still don't know about. (assuming Whitehead is out of the picture too, and that looks to be true)
Time to panic ? No, we're better off than where we were 4 years ago.
But it's not exactly good news when you go 0-6 on your biggest priorities.
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To everyone pressing the panic button, just remember back to last year at this time.
We had no one and everyone was panicking. Lavin ended up getting Jakarr and Obekpa to sign on the line. I'm not saying that guys like that are out there, but let's at least wait and see what happens through the spring signing period before calling recruiting efforts a failure.
Fans have short memories when it comes to positives, long memories when it comes to negatives.
It is a very fair point Boo. We're all prone to overreacting.
But at the same time, it's foolish not to acknowledge things that go poorly.
We started the year with a recruiting list that looked like this:
Jermaine Lawrence
Ishmail Wainwright
Jerrell Martin
Rhysheed Jordan
even the Jones kid from LA
and we were after both McCullough and Whitehead for '14
We struck out on all of them except Jordan, who we still don't know about. (assuming Whitehead is out of the picture too, and that looks to be true)
Time to panic ? No, we're better off than where we were 4 years ago.
But it's not exactly good news when you go 0-6 on your biggest priorities.
We only have 1 ship to give out next year. All we know is that it won't be Lawrence. Lavin also stated that if the right player isn't available he won't use it. He's willing to hold out for the following year, where from all accounts, there is a bunch of talent available.
I just don't get too worked up about recruiting for a few reasons: 1) I don't know the HS basketball circles, meaning i don't know who is really good or not. 2) recruiting is Lavin's strength, let him do is job. 3) Its only Feb 4th, lets see who is available ( transfer, JUCO)
Recruiting is an inexact science. A kid is going to go where he wants top go. You can do everything right and still fail. It's part of the game. Steve is one of the best. I trust him moving forward. Have there been missteps? Of course. But in 2 1/2 years we have built a pretty good, young foundation of kids. Now we need to plug as few holes. More importantly, top 20 kids are considering STJ again. A few years ago they would laugh if they got a call.
I think next years team, barring any defections from our two best players, has a chance to do some things. Kids improve don't forget. So lets not assume that if we bring the same group back, we get the same results. it doesn't work like that.
Sorry for the long rant. Just trying to stay positive. The negativity ( not you Desco) around here is bringing me down. I like this place because I love STJ hoops, but it has become painful to read everyday. I mean, how many Phil Greene dribbling jokes can one man endure...? ;)
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2 years ago and last year we had a ridiculous amount of scholarships and playing time to offer. Now we don't, so players aren't going to commit as easily as they have. Seems pretty obvious to me. O for 6 sucks but its understandable. 2014 and 2015 is when schollies and playing time opens up. This is when Lavin will do well.
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2 years ago and last year we had a ridiculous amount of scholarships and playing time to offer. Now we don't, so players aren't going to commit as easily as they have. Seems pretty obvious to me. O for 6 sucks but its understandable. 2014 and 2015 is when schollies and playing time opens up. This is when Lavin will do well.
Agree--this is different level of player than Norm went after (and Jarvis twiddles his fingers until they kissed his ring). The players are at a top level and they are top dogs on their top level HS/AAU teams so PT is what counts first; not a long term learning/growth position. With Coach's predecessors, the level of recruit was a stretch major level, thankful for the chance to be in the BE and around for the 4 years. Kentucky would not be able to recruit like they do if players were not one and done with plenty of PT for incoming freshmen to show their stuff and leave.
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O for 6 sucks but its understandable
Yep, that's how I see it too.
Hang in there Boo, being a fan here is no different than any other team, it's just so easy as a fan to get too high when we win and too low when we lose. It reminds me of Jerome calling wfan to fire Girardi or Torre after a 2 game losing streak in April. :D
Think of it as a good sign that we're so close. When you're 1-7 there's no difference of opinion - you stink, and the players and coach should both probably go. But when you're a game or two away from being a contender everybody has an opinion on what to do to get over the hump
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Haha.. Having a board full of Jerome from Manhattans is not a good thing... Or Joe D from Brooklyn... trust me on that one.. ;)
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2 years ago and last year we had a ridiculous amount of scholarships and playing time to offer. Now we don't, so players aren't going to commit as easily as they have. Seems pretty obvious to me. O for 6 sucks but its understandable. 2014 and 2015 is when schollies and playing time opens up. This is when Lavin will do well.
And if Moe came back it would have been 0-7. These kids want a lot of minutes from the start.
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Haha.. Having a board full of Jerome from Manhattans is not a good thing... Or Joe D from Brooklyn... trust me on that one.. ;)
Correction...Its now Joe D from Staten Island..he announced it to the Schmooze a few weeks back.... :)
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You guys aren't understanding. Lavin will not chase a recruit plain and simple. Get down or lay down-KOB
I don't really get involved in commenting on recruiting for the simple reason that I do not follow HS basketball. I do have a question though. Some of you are applauding coach for not "chasing" recruits. Now I do not have a problem with that either, but didn't some of you kill Jarvis for same approach? What is the difference?
Jarvis sat idle and expected recruits to come to him. Lavin is more calculated in his approach of targeting recruits.
-If Lav has no shot at a recruit he's not going to go after him
-If a recruit becomes to high maintenance he's distancing himself
-If a recruit has too many outside influences that become problematic he's distancing himself
Lawrence handler had a lot of demands. I don't want to say too much but one example is his handler is already fishing for TV deals for a reality show on Jermaine going to the draft. Ironically Cincy has some experience with this kind of thing.
it's a matter of style. jarvis brought in mcdonald's aa's...plus many of the best local players. lavin goes after espn 100's...but doesn't touch the five star players.
jarvis' problem is the players usually regressed because he didn't have the coaches who could make them improve. maybe it was money, i don't know. lavin's players get better. maybe not at the free throw or three point lines...but they get better.
btw, where's hicks in all this? i thought he was here to close deals.
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You guys aren't understanding. Lavin will not chase a recruit plain and simple. Get down or lay down-KOB
I don't really get involved in commenting on recruiting for the simple reason that I do not follow HS basketball. I do have a question though. Some of you are applauding coach for not "chasing" recruits. Now I do not have a problem with that either, but didn't some of you kill Jarvis for same approach? What is the difference?
Jarvis sat idle and expected recruits to come to him. Lavin is more calculated in his approach of targeting recruits.
-If Lav has no shot at a recruit he's not going to go after him
-If a recruit becomes to high maintenance he's distancing himself
-If a recruit has too many outside influences that become problematic he's distancing himself
Lawrence handler had a lot of demands. I don't want to say too much but one example is his handler is already fishing for TV deals for a reality show on Jermaine going to the draft. Ironically Cincy has some experience with this kind of thing.
it's a matter of style. jarvis brought in mcdonald's aa's...plus many of the best local players. lavin goes after espn 100's...but doesn't touch the five star players.
jarvis' problem is the players usually regressed because he didn't have the coaches who could make them improve. maybe it was money, i don't know. lavin's players get better. maybe not at the free throw or three point lines...but they get better.
btw, where's hicks in all this? i thought he was here to close deals.
Jarvis recruited AN McDonald's AA.
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You guys aren't understanding. Lavin will not chase a recruit plain and simple. Get down or lay down-KOB
I don't really get involved in commenting on recruiting for the simple reason that I do not follow HS basketball. I do have a question though. Some of you are applauding coach for not "chasing" recruits. Now I do not have a problem with that either, but didn't some of you kill Jarvis for same approach? What is the difference?
Jarvis sat idle and expected recruits to come to him. Lavin is more calculated in his approach of targeting recruits.
-If Lav has no shot at a recruit he's not going to go after him
-If a recruit becomes to high maintenance he's distancing himself
-If a recruit has too many outside influences that become problematic he's distancing himself
Lawrence handler had a lot of demands. I don't want to say too much but one example is his handler is already fishing for TV deals for a reality show on Jermaine going to the draft. Ironically Cincy has some experience with this kind of thing.
it's a matter of style. jarvis brought in mcdonald's aa's...plus many of the best local players. lavin goes after espn 100's...but doesn't touch the five star players.
jarvis' problem is the players usually regressed because he didn't have the coaches who could make them improve. maybe it was money, i don't know. lavin's players get better. maybe not at the free throw or three point lines...but they get better.
btw, where's hicks in all this? i thought he was here to close deals.
Jarvis recruited AN McDonald's AA.
Ingram was right?
Were Cook and Miles? Not that Miles means anything really.
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Oh yea, Ingram.
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You guys aren't understanding. Lavin will not chase a recruit plain and simple. Get down or lay down-KOB
I don't really get involved in commenting on recruiting for the simple reason that I do not follow HS basketball. I do have a question though. Some of you are applauding coach for not "chasing" recruits. Now I do not have a problem with that either, but didn't some of you kill Jarvis for same approach? What is the difference?
Jarvis sat idle and expected recruits to come to him. Lavin is more calculated in his approach of targeting recruits.
-If Lav has no shot at a recruit he's not going to go after him
-If a recruit becomes to high maintenance he's distancing himself
-If a recruit has too many outside influences that become problematic he's distancing himself
Lawrence handler had a lot of demands. I don't want to say too much but one example is his handler is already fishing for TV deals for a reality show on Jermaine going to the draft. Ironically Cincy has some experience with this kind of thing.
it's a matter of style. jarvis brought in mcdonald's aa's...plus many of the best local players. lavin goes after espn 100's...but doesn't touch the five star players.
jarvis' problem is the players usually regressed because he didn't have the coaches who could make them improve. maybe it was money, i don't know. lavin's players get better. maybe not at the free throw or three point lines...but they get better.
btw, where's hicks in all this? i thought he was here to close deals.
Jarvis recruited AN McDonald's AA.
Ingram was right?
Were Cook and Miles? Not that Miles means anything really.
Cook yes
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Confirmed Miles was too.
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Confirmed Miles was too.
Amazing three PGs from NYC on Cook's team.
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I really never thought of Miles as a Johnnie only because we all knew from DAY 1 that he would never play for us
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I really never thought of Miles as a Johnnie only because we all knew from DAY 1 that he would never play for us
Ture. I do remember being so excited though with the possibility of Cook -> Miles for a year or two. In retrospect, can't fault Miles. He went 3rd that draft, i think. Injuries derailed his career. I thought he was the next Kevin Garnett.
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2 years ago and last year we had a ridiculous amount of scholarships and playing time to offer. Now we don't, so players aren't going to commit as easily as they have. Seems pretty obvious to me. O for 6 sucks but its understandable. 2014 and 2015 is when schollies and playing time opens up. This is when Lavin will do well.
2015 will be a ridiculous recruiting class for us. Lavin's first couple of classes was get the best he could. 2015 class he will have recruited kids for 3-4 years and have playing time to give, he's gonna land some gems. That's when our program goes to a new level. As much as I would like to see them succeed now, building a program that all it had going for it was reputation was going to take some time. When you consider Lavin wasn't on the recruiting trails when he took over the program, it was going to take some time. Look how long it took for Crean to turn around Indiana and he wasn't MIA for 7 years.
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2 years ago and last year we had a ridiculous amount of scholarships and playing time to offer. Now we don't, so players aren't going to commit as easily as they have. Seems pretty obvious to me. O for 6 sucks but its understandable. 2014 and 2015 is when schollies and playing time opens up. This is when Lavin will do well.
2015 will be a ridiculous recruiting class for us. Lavin's first couple of classes was get the best he could. 2015 class he will have recruited kids for 3-4 years and have playing time to give, he's gonna land some gems. That's when our program goes to a new level. As much as I would like to see them succeed now, building a program that all it had going for it was reputation was going to take some time. When you consider Lavin wasn't on the recruiting trails when he took over the program, it was going to take some time. Look how long it took for Crean to turn around Indiana and he wasn't MIA for 7 years.
15 has the potential to be huge.
But please lets stop with the Crean comparisons. Two totally different situations and Lavin's was easier than Crean's.
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2 years ago and last year we had a ridiculous amount of scholarships and playing time to offer. Now we don't, so players aren't going to commit as easily as they have. Seems pretty obvious to me. O for 6 sucks but its understandable. 2014 and 2015 is when schollies and playing time opens up. This is when Lavin will do well.
2015 will be a ridiculous recruiting class for us. Lavin's first couple of classes was get the best he could. 2015 class he will have recruited kids for 3-4 years and have playing time to give, he's gonna land some gems. That's when our program goes to a new level. As much as I would like to see them succeed now, building a program that all it had going for it was reputation was going to take some time. When you consider Lavin wasn't on the recruiting trails when he took over the program, it was going to take some time. Look how long it took for Crean to turn around Indiana and he wasn't MIA for 7 years.
15 has the potential to be huge.
But please lets stop with the Crean comparisons. Two totally different situations and Lavin's was easier than Crean's.
It appears we are positioned well for 15, but would not assume anything. In the past certain assumptions about players being near locks for SJU, like Chris McCullough and Corey Fisher, have not come to fruition. That said, from feedback from KOB and others, I sense we could fare well if staff continues to work their tails off. All of those allowed to recruit must be out there constantly to bring home stellar 14 & 15 players.
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2 years ago and last year we had a ridiculous amount of scholarships and playing time to offer. Now we don't, so players aren't going to commit as easily as they have. Seems pretty obvious to me. O for 6 sucks but its understandable. 2014 and 2015 is when schollies and playing time opens up. This is when Lavin will do well.
2015 will be a ridiculous recruiting class for us. Lavin's first couple of classes was get the best he could. 2015 class he will have recruited kids for 3-4 years and have playing time to give, he's gonna land some gems. That's when our program goes to a new level. As much as I would like to see them succeed now, building a program that all it had going for it was reputation was going to take some time. When you consider Lavin wasn't on the recruiting trails when he took over the program, it was going to take some time. Look how long it took for Crean to turn around Indiana and he wasn't MIA for 7 years.
15 has the potential to be huge.
But please lets stop with the Crean comparisons. Two totally different situations and Lavin's was easier than Crean's.
Disagree Lavin's was easier. Lavin had to fill 9-10 ships while being away from the recruiting trail for 7 years. Every coach and their momma had better relationships with recruits then Lavin including Crean. Now once Lavin filled those spots, that situation doesn't leave much room for the next couple of years as we have seen. Indiana was a national program when Crean took over, regardless of there issues. When you have a coach with the reputation Crean has, recruits, and their handlers, over look those issues when your a national brand, which Indiana is. We have history, but our programs footprint is more regional, which will change under Lavin.
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2 years ago and last year we had a ridiculous amount of scholarships and playing time to offer. Now we don't, so players aren't going to commit as easily as they have. Seems pretty obvious to me. O for 6 sucks but its understandable. 2014 and 2015 is when schollies and playing time opens up. This is when Lavin will do well.
2015 will be a ridiculous recruiting class for us. Lavin's first couple of classes was get the best he could. 2015 class he will have recruited kids for 3-4 years and have playing time to give, he's gonna land some gems. That's when our program goes to a new level. As much as I would like to see them succeed now, building a program that all it had going for it was reputation was going to take some time. When you consider Lavin wasn't on the recruiting trails when he took over the program, it was going to take some time. Look how long it took for Crean to turn around Indiana and he wasn't MIA for 7 years.
15 has the potential to be huge.
But please lets stop with the Crean comparisons. Two totally different situations and Lavin's was easier than Crean's.
Was lavins really easier?
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I know beggars can't be choosers and all, but not having players in 2013, kind of keeps the team in that uneven scholarship situation, where you have to reload with a bunch of freshmen. In an ideal world, wouldn't you want more balance from class to class? When you bring in so many freshmen, unless you are Kentucky or UNC, you are guaranteeing yourself another mediocre (or even worse), year. If you want to sustain a successful program, you need players in every class.
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I agree with STJFAN. Crean had a much easier product to sell.
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How was it easier when Lavin had a Top 5 class before even playing a regular season game. He was pitching STJ, MSG, BE, NYC all that jazz. Crean had a historic program on probation with nobody coming back. In addition Lavin then took the team he had and took them the to the NCAA's paving the way for excitement with the group coming in even higher.
Sorry but take a step back and look at what job you would have rather had. Crean walking into a minefield, or STJ with a clean slate of schollies you can fill at your disposal.
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How was it easier when Lavin had a Top 5 class before even playing a regular season game. He was pitching STJ, MSG, BE, NYC all that jazz. Crean had a historic program on probation with nobody coming back. In addition Lavin then took the team he had and took them the to the NCAA's paving the way for excitement with the group coming in even higher.
Sorry but take a step back and look at what job you would have rather had. Crean walking into a minefield, or STJ with a clean slate of schollies you can fill at your disposal.
I think Lavin walked into a good situation for instant success his first year, but Crean had the better program from which to build, IMO. Plus, filling 10 spots at once is not a place that any head coach wants to find himself in year 2 of his tenure.
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How was it easier when Lavin had a Top 5 class before even playing a regular season game. He was pitching STJ, MSG, BE, NYC all that jazz. Crean had a historic program on probation with nobody coming back. In addition Lavin then took the team he had and took them the to the NCAA's paving the way for excitement with the group coming in even higher.
Sorry but take a step back and look at what job you would have rather had. Crean walking into a minefield, or STJ with a clean slate of schollies you can fill at your disposal.
I think Lavin walked into a good situation for instant success his first year, but Crean had the better program from which to build, IMO. Plus, filling 10 spots at once is not a place that any head coach wants to find himself in year 2 of his tenure.
On the contrary I think most coaches would love that chance. Its a chance to make the team on their own and not deal with the previous regime's players hanging around.
Only thing you can look back on is what a few said last year. Instead of going for all the heavy hitters maybe some role players and safer options so you didn't have 3 ppl not make it to start and another fly the coop mid season.
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How was it easier when Lavin had a Top 5 class before even playing a regular season game. He was pitching STJ, MSG, BE, NYC all that jazz. Crean had a historic program on probation with nobody coming back. In addition Lavin then took the team he had and took them the to the NCAA's paving the way for excitement with the group coming in even higher.
Sorry but take a step back and look at what job you would have rather had. Crean walking into a minefield, or STJ with a clean slate of schollies you can fill at your disposal.
I think Lavin walked into a good situation for instant success his first year, but Crean had the better program from which to build, IMO. Plus, filling 10 spots at once is not a place that any head coach wants to find himself in year 2 of his tenure.
On the contrary I think most coaches would love that chance. Its a chance to make the team on their own and not deal with the previous regime's players hanging around.
Only thing you can look back on is what a few said last year. Instead of going for all the heavy hitters maybe some role players and safer options so you didn't have 3 ppl not make it to start and another fly the coop mid season.
I'll defer to your view on this Moose, but I don't recall Lavin talking about having to fill 10 spots in one year as a great position to be in. He described it more as a challenge that would take some time before the fruit of his labors of "filling the arc" would materialize. Maybe he was just exercising good expectation management skills.
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How was it easier when Lavin had a Top 5 class before even playing a regular season game. He was pitching STJ, MSG, BE, NYC all that jazz. Crean had a historic program on probation with nobody coming back. In addition Lavin then took the team he had and took them the to the NCAA's paving the way for excitement with the group coming in even higher.
Sorry but take a step back and look at what job you would have rather had. Crean walking into a minefield, or STJ with a clean slate of schollies you can fill at your disposal.
I think Lavin walked into a good situation for instant success his first year, but Crean had the better program from which to build, IMO. Plus, filling 10 spots at once is not a place that any head coach wants to find himself in year 2 of his tenure.
On the contrary I think most coaches would love that chance. Its a chance to make the team on their own and not deal with the previous regime's players hanging around.
Only thing you can look back on is what a few said last year. Instead of going for all the heavy hitters maybe some role players and safer options so you didn't have 3 ppl not make it to start and another fly the coop mid season.
I'll defer to your view on this Moose, but I don't recall Lavin talking about having to fill 10 spots in one year as a great position to be in. He described it more as a challenge that would take some time before the fruit of his labors of "filling the arc" would materialize. Maybe he was just exercising good expectation management skills.
I don't think its something a coach would publicly say is great. Because then its a knock on the previous coach/players.
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Crean may have had a tougher road. Bottom line is that until last year, every season he had 20+ loses at Indiana.
My point in originally bringing up the comparison was to try to preach patience in the process. Imagine Lavin's first 3 seasons were like Crean's? Would love to read the boards then. I'm sure the IU boards were ripping him to shreds.
Of course the situations aren't identical, no two situations are, but I think some perspective can be gained looking at both.
It is certainly possible that 2 seasons from now we could be looking at a top 10 team. Why not?
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When you've hired the person that you believe is right for the job---especially when he has a successful track record---then you have to be patient and give him time to rebuild. If there is no progress then, eventually, you have to move on. But as long as things are moving in the right direction (as it is with St. John's) then you can't overreact to each little negative.
I love that Lavin is not so desperate to get any one recruit that he will sell his soul. He knows that he can get the players he needs to make us successful.
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I know beggars can't be choosers and all, but not having players in 2013, kind of keeps the team in that uneven scholarship situation, where you have to reload with a bunch of freshmen. In an ideal world, wouldn't you want more balance from class to class? When you bring in so many freshmen, unless you are Kentucky or UNC, you are guaranteeing yourself another mediocre (or even worse), year. If you want to sustain a successful program, you need players in every class.
Agree, agree, agree. Right on the money. If you dont bring in a few players in every class, this leads to a large haul in one class and the "forever young" excuse goes on and on.
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I love that Lavin is not so desperate to get any one recruit that he will sell his soul. He knows that he can get the players he needs to make us successful.
As others have pointed out Lavin played the game to get Obekpa and Sampson. To claim he's taking the high road here because he didn't want to deal with Jermaine's lady-handler ... that smacks a bit hypocritical.
From what everyone says, including our own in the know posters... Obekpa's recruitment was as shady as it gets, Jakarr had people around him too, and even Moe had Nate. So let's not act like coach is the only coach in america willing to stand up to handlers. This year we just happen to have 11 players returning, so the need isn't as pressing.
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I love that Lavin is not so desperate to get any one recruit that he will sell his soul. He knows that he can get the players he needs to make us successful.
As others have pointed out Lavin played the game to get Obekpa and Sampson. To claim he's taking the high road here because he didn't want to deal with Jermaine's lady-handler ... that smacks a bit hypocritical.
From what everyone says, including our own in the know posters... Obekpa's recruitment was as shady as it gets, Jakarr had people around him too, and even Moe had Nate. So let's not act like coach is the only coach in america willing to stand up to handlers. This year we just happen to have 11 players returning, so the need isn't as pressing.
You pick your spots.
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How was it easier when Lavin had a Top 5 class before even playing a regular season game. He was pitching STJ, MSG, BE, NYC all that jazz. Crean had a historic program on probation with nobody coming back. In addition Lavin then took the team he had and took them the to the NCAA's paving the way for excitement with the group coming in even higher.
Sorry but take a step back and look at what job you would have rather had. Crean walking into a minefield, or STJ with a clean slate of schollies you can fill at your disposal.
I think Lavin walked into a good situation for instant success his first year, but Crean had the better program from which to build, IMO. Plus, filling 10 spots at once is not a place that any head coach wants to find himself in year 2 of his tenure.
On the contrary I think most coaches would love that chance. Its a chance to make the team on their own and not deal with the previous regime's players hanging around.
Only thing you can look back on is what a few said last year. Instead of going for all the heavy hitters maybe some role players and safer options so you didn't have 3 ppl not make it to start and another fly the coop mid season.
I'll defer to your view on this Moose, but I don't recall Lavin talking about having to fill 10 spots in one year as a great position to be in. He described it more as a challenge that would take some time before the fruit of his labors of "filling the arc" would materialize. Maybe he was just exercising good expectation management skills.
I don't think its something a coach would publicly say is great. Because then its a knock on the previous coach/players.
When you consider that Lavin was away from the game for so long to come into a situation where he has to fill 10 spots is not an ideal position to be in. Its not a great situation because you want your freshmen to learn from the upperclassmen both on and off the court, how to balance school, practice, working out, etc.. Heavy hitters or not, he's still locked in and won't have many ships available until 2015. Crean didn't have worry about that, his ships were already staggered. The fact that he brought in a top 10 class his first year is more of a testament on Lavin's ability rather than the situation, IMO. This program wasn't relevant! National programs bounce back from sanctions. Baylor had a murder on there hands! it didn't impact their recruiting success.
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When you've hired the person that you believe is right for the job---especially when he has a successful track record---then you have to be patient and give him time to rebuild. If there is no progress then, eventually, you have to move on. But as long as things are moving in the right direction (as it is with St. John's) then you can't overreact to each little negative.
I love that Lavin is not so desperate to get any one recruit that he will sell his soul. He knows that he can get the players he needs to make us successful.
Little negative?? Losing McCullough and now Lawrence, in back to back recruiting classes and who are both 5 star recruits and potential future NBA front line players is not a little negative. It changes the whole scheme of things, the whole direction of the program. Anyone who underestimates the impact that those two players would have had on the program is quite delusional.
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How was it easier when Lavin had a Top 5 class before even playing a regular season game. He was pitching STJ, MSG, BE, NYC all that jazz. Crean had a historic program on probation with nobody coming back. In addition Lavin then took the team he had and took them the to the NCAA's paving the way for excitement with the group coming in even higher.
Sorry but take a step back and look at what job you would have rather had. Crean walking into a minefield, or STJ with a clean slate of schollies you can fill at your disposal.
I think Lavin walked into a good situation for instant success his first year, but Crean had the better program from which to build, IMO. Plus, filling 10 spots at once is not a place that any head coach wants to find himself in year 2 of his tenure.
On the contrary I think most coaches would love that chance. Its a chance to make the team on their own and not deal with the previous regime's players hanging around.
Only thing you can look back on is what a few said last year. Instead of going for all the heavy hitters maybe some role players and safer options so you didn't have 3 ppl not make it to start and another fly the coop mid season.
I'll defer to your view on this Moose, but I don't recall Lavin talking about having to fill 10 spots in one year as a great position to be in. He described it more as a challenge that would take some time before the fruit of his labors of "filling the arc" would materialize. Maybe he was just exercising good expectation management skills.
I don't think its something a coach would publicly say is great. Because then its a knock on the previous coach/players.
When you consider that Lavin was away from the game for so long to come into a situation where he has to fill 10 spots is not an ideal position to be in. Its not a great situation because you want your freshmen to learn from the upperclassmen both on and off the court, how to balance school, practice, working out, etc.. Heavy hitters or not, he's still locked in and won't have many ships available until 2015. Crean didn't have worry about that, his ships were already staggered. The fact that he brought in a top 10 class his first year is more of a testament on Lavin's ability rather than the situation, IMO. This program wasn't relevant! National programs bounce back from sanctions. Baylor had a murder on there hands! it didn't impact their recruiting success.
I don't know enough about Crean's teams but he had to field a team so he took walkons I guess or gave some walkons schollies. Not sure how many were taken away. I just remember the teams were bad and he didn't have many guys. Otherwise he would have had a massive class.
As for Baylor it did impact their recruiting.
8-21
9-19
4-13
15-16
21-11
Those were Scott Drew's first 5 yrs at Baylor (after the murder)
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I love that Lavin is not so desperate to get any one recruit that he will sell his soul. He knows that he can get the players he needs to make us successful.
As others have pointed out Lavin played the game to get Obekpa and Sampson. To claim he's taking the high road here because he didn't want to deal with Jermaine's lady-handler ... that smacks a bit hypocritical.
From what everyone says, including our own in the know posters... Obekpa's recruitment was as shady as it gets, Jakarr had people around him too, and even Moe had Nate. So let's not act like coach is the only coach in america willing to stand up to handlers. This year we just happen to have 11 players returning, so the need isn't as pressing.
You pick your spots.
No doubt, Moose. And maybe this time it wasn't worth it. I'll trust coach on that.
But let's not act like we don't play the recruiting games... everybody does. It's a fact of life.
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When you've hired the person that you believe is right for the job---especially when he has a successful track record---then you have to be patient and give him time to rebuild. If there is no progress then, eventually, you have to move on. But as long as things are moving in the right direction (as it is with St. John's) then you can't overreact to each little negative.
I love that Lavin is not so desperate to get any one recruit that he will sell his soul. He knows that he can get the players he needs to make us successful.
Little negative?? Losing McCullough and now Lawrence, in back to back recruiting classes and who are both 5 star recruits and potential future NBA front line players is not a little negative. It changes the whole scheme of things, the whole direction of the program. Anyone who underestimates the impact that those two players would have had on the program is quite delusional.
No one is saying losing out on those recruits is a good thing. Of course they would have made a huge impact on the program. However, it's also not the end of the world either. As long as we are moving in the right direction as a program, getting better year over year, then we shouldn't overreact to the fact we lost out on another 5 star recruit. It's not the first, nor the last 5 star recruit we will lose. Progress is being made, regardless of which 5 star recruit we don't happen to sign.
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When you've hired the person that you believe is right for the job---especially when he has a successful track record---then you have to be patient and give him time to rebuild. If there is no progress then, eventually, you have to move on. But as long as things are moving in the right direction (as it is with St. John's) then you can't overreact to each little negative.
I love that Lavin is not so desperate to get any one recruit that he will sell his soul. He knows that he can get the players he needs to make us successful.
Little negative?? Losing McCullough and now Lawrence, in back to back recruiting classes and who are both 5 star recruits and potential future NBA front line players is not a little negative. It changes the whole scheme of things, the whole direction of the program. Anyone who underestimates the impact that those two players would have had on the program is quite delusional.
No one is saying losing out on those recruits is a good thing. Of course they would have made a huge impact on the program. However, it's also not the end of the world either. As long as we are moving in the right direction as a program, getting better year over year, then we shouldn't overreact to the fact we lost out on another 5 star recruit. It's not the first, nor the last 5 star recruit we will lose. Progress is being made, regardless of which 5 star recruit we don't happen to sign.
Come on.. We are doomed. ;) Don't be delusional. ::)
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When you've hired the person that you believe is right for the job---especially when he has a successful track record---then you have to be patient and give him time to rebuild. If there is no progress then, eventually, you have to move on. But as long as things are moving in the right direction (as it is with St. John's) then you can't overreact to each little negative.
I love that Lavin is not so desperate to get any one recruit that he will sell his soul. He knows that he can get the players he needs to make us successful.
Little negative?? Losing McCullough and now Lawrence, in back to back recruiting classes and who are both 5 star recruits and potential future NBA front line players is not a little negative. It changes the whole scheme of things, the whole direction of the program. Anyone who underestimates the impact that those two players would have had on the program is quite delusional.
No one is saying losing out on those recruits is a good thing. Of course they would have made a huge impact on the program. However, it's also not the end of the world either. As long as we are moving in the right direction as a program, getting better year over year, then we shouldn't overreact to the fact we lost out on another 5 star recruit. It's not the first, nor the last 5 star recruit we will lose. Progress is being made, regardless of which 5 star recruit we don't happen to sign.
Come on.. We are doomed. ;) Don't be delusional. ::)
Its Doomed (TM)
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When you've hired the person that you believe is right for the job---especially when he has a successful track record---then you have to be patient and give him time to rebuild. If there is no progress then, eventually, you have to move on. But as long as things are moving in the right direction (as it is with St. John's) then you can't overreact to each little negative.
I love that Lavin is not so desperate to get any one recruit that he will sell his soul. He knows that he can get the players he needs to make us successful.
Little negative?? Losing McCullough and now Lawrence, in back to back recruiting classes and who are both 5 star recruits and potential future NBA front line players is not a little negative. It changes the whole scheme of things, the whole direction of the program. Anyone who underestimates the impact that those two players would have had on the program is quite delusional.
I'm not thrilled about it either Linda, but the sky truly is not falling.
http://zagsblog.com/articles/st-johns-among-those-pursuing-mudiay/ (http://zagsblog.com/articles/st-johns-among-those-pursuing-mudiay/)
Could be the best player in the '14 class. Not in NY, in the whole class.
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IMO Crean had a much easier task than Lavin had simply because it was the Indiana job. That is one of the few jobs that recruits for itself. Crean had an established reputation and no hiatus. Doesn't matter what the roster looked like when Crean took over. Once he did, he was in the conversation with loads of top kids.
Lavin was out of bball as a broadcaster after being fired and run out of town at UCLA. He came to bottom dweller SJU that people had forgotten about for a decade or two and had to replace double-digit scholarships in one season.
Right now we are on a great track, but we still don't and won't have the pull of an Indiana. We're getting back though, with real talent and moving up quickly. No doubt in my mind Lavin had the tougher rebuild IMO.
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IMO Crean had a much easier task than Lavin had simply because it was the Indiana job. That is one of the few jobs that recruits for itself. Crean had an established reputation and no hiatus. Doesn't matter what the roster looked like when Crean took over. Once he did, he was in the conversation with loads of top kids.
Lavin was out of bball as a broadcaster after being fired and run out of town at UCLA. He came to bottom dweller SJU that people had forgotten about for a decade or two and had to replace double-digit scholarships in one season.
Right now we are on a great track, but we still don't and won't have the pull of an Indiana. We're getting back though, with real talent and moving up quickly. No doubt in my mind Lavin had the tougher rebuild IMO.
Please look at Crean's classes Marcus.
Lavin brought in Top 5 class before the ball was even tipped with him coaching a game. Guess that hiatus meant nothing.
Little objectivity here. If your going to compare Crean's start to an STJ period try Norm's first couple of years. However thats where it stops as Norm couldnt hold Crean's jock.
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How was it easier when Lavin had a Top 5 class before even playing a regular season game. He was pitching STJ, MSG, BE, NYC all that jazz. Crean had a historic program on probation with nobody coming back. In addition Lavin then took the team he had and took them the to the NCAA's paving the way for excitement with the group coming in even higher.
Sorry but take a step back and look at what job you would have rather had. Crean walking into a minefield, or STJ with a clean slate of schollies you can fill at your disposal.
I think Lavin walked into a good situation for instant success his first year, but Crean had the better program from which to build, IMO. Plus, filling 10 spots at once is not a place that any head coach wants to find himself in year 2 of his tenure.
On the contrary I think most coaches would love that chance. Its a chance to make the team on their own and not deal with the previous regime's players hanging around.
Only thing you can look back on is what a few said last year. Instead of going for all the heavy hitters maybe some role players and safer options so you didn't have 3 ppl not make it to start and another fly the coop mid season.
I'll defer to your view on this Moose, but I don't recall Lavin talking about having to fill 10 spots in one year as a great position to be in. He described it more as a challenge that would take some time before the fruit of his labors of "filling the arc" would materialize. Maybe he was just exercising good expectation management skills.
I don't think its something a coach would publicly say is great. Because then its a knock on the previous coach/players.
When you consider that Lavin was away from the game for so long to come into a situation where he has to fill 10 spots is not an ideal position to be in. Its not a great situation because you want your freshmen to learn from the upperclassmen both on and off the court, how to balance school, practice, working out, etc.. Heavy hitters or not, he's still locked in and won't have many ships available until 2015. Crean didn't have worry about that, his ships were already staggered. The fact that he brought in a top 10 class his first year is more of a testament on Lavin's ability rather than the situation, IMO. This program wasn't relevant! National programs bounce back from sanctions. Baylor had a murder on there hands! it didn't impact their recruiting success.
I don't know enough about Crean's teams but he had to field a team so he took walkons I guess or gave some walkons schollies. Not sure how many were taken away. I just remember the teams were bad and he didn't have many guys. Otherwise he would have had a massive class.
As for Baylor it did impact their recruiting.
8-21
9-19
4-13
15-16
21-11
Those were Scott Drew's first 5 yrs at Baylor (after the murder)
I look at it from the standpoint of the long term impact on recruiting. Most coaches spend years developing relationships with kids before they commit. It takes time. 3-4 years is what I would expect for a quality coach to turn around any program. You make contact with a kid freshman year of HS and some even sooner to land them, so maybe initially, the murder or sanctions may have affected the program, but long term, the program survives. Baylor was involved in a murder cover up not to long ago, and yet they are in on all the top talent and landing them. Although Indiana had sanctions, they were still considered a better program than us, which is why IMO, Lavin had a tougher job since he has to resurrect our program.
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When you've hired the person that you believe is right for the job---especially when he has a successful track record---then you have to be patient and give him time to rebuild. If there is no progress then, eventually, you have to move on. But as long as things are moving in the right direction (as it is with St. John's) then you can't overreact to each little negative.
I love that Lavin is not so desperate to get any one recruit that he will sell his soul. He knows that he can get the players he needs to make us successful.
Little negative?? Losing McCullough and now Lawrence, in back to back recruiting classes and who are both 5 star recruits and potential future NBA front line players is not a little negative. It changes the whole scheme of things, the whole direction of the program. Anyone who underestimates the impact that those two players would have had on the program is quite delusional.
No one is saying losing out on those recruits is a good thing. Of course they would have made a huge impact on the program. However, it's also not the end of the world either. As long as we are moving in the right direction as a program, getting better year over year, then we shouldn't overreact to the fact we lost out on another 5 star recruit. It's not the first, nor the last 5 star recruit we will lose. Progress is being made, regardless of which 5 star recruit we don't happen to sign.
Come on.. We are doomed. ;) Don't be delusional. ::)
Its Doomed (TM)
Actually, you want Doomed©, unless you're coming out with a clothing line or other merchandise featuring "Doomed" as the logo, then adding TM works too. ;)
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How was it easier when Lavin had a Top 5 class before even playing a regular season game. He was pitching STJ, MSG, BE, NYC all that jazz. Crean had a historic program on probation with nobody coming back. In addition Lavin then took the team he had and took them the to the NCAA's paving the way for excitement with the group coming in even higher.
Sorry but take a step back and look at what job you would have rather had. Crean walking into a minefield, or STJ with a clean slate of schollies you can fill at your disposal.
I think Lavin walked into a good situation for instant success his first year, but Crean had the better program from which to build, IMO. Plus, filling 10 spots at once is not a place that any head coach wants to find himself in year 2 of his tenure.
On the contrary I think most coaches would love that chance. Its a chance to make the team on their own and not deal with the previous regime's players hanging around.
Only thing you can look back on is what a few said last year. Instead of going for all the heavy hitters maybe some role players and safer options so you didn't have 3 ppl not make it to start and another fly the coop mid season.
I'll defer to your view on this Moose, but I don't recall Lavin talking about having to fill 10 spots in one year as a great position to be in. He described it more as a challenge that would take some time before the fruit of his labors of "filling the arc" would materialize. Maybe he was just exercising good expectation management skills.
I don't think its something a coach would publicly say is great. Because then its a knock on the previous coach/players.
When you consider that Lavin was away from the game for so long to come into a situation where he has to fill 10 spots is not an ideal position to be in. Its not a great situation because you want your freshmen to learn from the upperclassmen both on and off the court, how to balance school, practice, working out, etc.. Heavy hitters or not, he's still locked in and won't have many ships available until 2015. Crean didn't have worry about that, his ships were already staggered. The fact that he brought in a top 10 class his first year is more of a testament on Lavin's ability rather than the situation, IMO. This program wasn't relevant! National programs bounce back from sanctions. Baylor had a murder on there hands! it didn't impact their recruiting success.
I don't know enough about Crean's teams but he had to field a team so he took walkons I guess or gave some walkons schollies. Not sure how many were taken away. I just remember the teams were bad and he didn't have many guys. Otherwise he would have had a massive class.
As for Baylor it did impact their recruiting.
8-21
9-19
4-13
15-16
21-11
Those were Scott Drew's first 5 yrs at Baylor (after the murder)
I look at it from the standpoint of the long term impact on recruiting. Most coaches spend years developing relationships with kids before they commit. It takes time. 3-4 years is what I would expect for a quality coach to turn around any program. You make contact with a kid freshman year of HS and some even sooner to land them, so maybe initially, the murder or sanctions may have affected the program, but long term, the program survives. Baylor was involved in a murder cover up not to long ago, and yet they are in on all the top talent and landing them. Although Indiana had sanctions, they were still considered a better program than us, which is why IMO, Lavin had a tougher job since he has to resurrect our program.
The difference is Baylor sucked before the murder issue. I'm just not following the thinking here. Lavin pulled in a Top 5 class before ever coaching a game. So much for him laying groundwork years in advance. Combine that with the fact he didnt have to coach a team of walkons thru NCAA violations and he did not have a tougher job than Crean.
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When you've hired the person that you believe is right for the job---especially when he has a successful track record---then you have to be patient and give him time to rebuild. If there is no progress then, eventually, you have to move on. But as long as things are moving in the right direction (as it is with St. John's) then you can't overreact to each little negative.
I love that Lavin is not so desperate to get any one recruit that he will sell his soul. He knows that he can get the players he needs to make us successful.
Little negative?? Losing McCullough and now Lawrence, in back to back recruiting classes and who are both 5 star recruits and potential future NBA front line players is not a little negative. It changes the whole scheme of things, the whole direction of the program. Anyone who underestimates the impact that those two players would have had on the program is quite delusional.
No one is saying losing out on those recruits is a good thing. Of course they would have made a huge impact on the program. However, it's also not the end of the world either. As long as we are moving in the right direction as a program, getting better year over year, then we shouldn't overreact to the fact we lost out on another 5 star recruit. It's not the first, nor the last 5 star recruit we will lose. Progress is being made, regardless of which 5 star recruit we don't happen to sign.
Come on.. We are doomed. ;) Don't be delusional. ::)
Its Doomed (TM)
Actually, you want Doomed©, unless you're coming out with a clothing line or other merchandise featuring "Doomed" as the logo, then adding TM works too. ;)
I'm in the industry so your damn right I'm gonna be making apparel ;)
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When you've hired the person that you believe is right for the job---especially when he has a successful track record---then you have to be patient and give him time to rebuild. If there is no progress then, eventually, you have to move on. But as long as things are moving in the right direction (as it is with St. John's) then you can't overreact to each little negative.
I love that Lavin is not so desperate to get any one recruit that he will sell his soul. He knows that he can get the players he needs to make us successful.
Little negative?? Losing McCullough and now Lawrence, in back to back recruiting classes and who are both 5 star recruits and potential future NBA front line players is not a little negative. It changes the whole scheme of things, the whole direction of the program. Anyone who underestimates the impact that those two players would have had on the program is quite delusional.
No one is saying losing out on those recruits is a good thing. Of course they would have made a huge impact on the program. However, it's also not the end of the world either. As long as we are moving in the right direction as a program, getting better year over year, then we shouldn't overreact to the fact we lost out on another 5 star recruit. It's not the first, nor the last 5 star recruit we will lose. Progress is being made, regardless of which 5 star recruit we don't happen to sign.
Come on.. We are doomed. ;) Don't be delusional. ::)
Its Doomed (TM)
Actually, you want Doomed©, unless you're coming out with a clothing line or other merchandise featuring "Doomed" as the logo, then adding TM works too. ;)
I'm in the industry so your damn right I'm gonna be making apparel ;)
LoL! I'd buy a shirt with the logo "We're Doomed". Get on that!
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When you've hired the person that you believe is right for the job---especially when he has a successful track record---then you have to be patient and give him time to rebuild. If there is no progress then, eventually, you have to move on. But as long as things are moving in the right direction (as it is with St. John's) then you can't overreact to each little negative.
I love that Lavin is not so desperate to get any one recruit that he will sell his soul. He knows that he can get the players he needs to make us successful.
Little negative?? Losing McCullough and now Lawrence, in back to back recruiting classes and who are both 5 star recruits and potential future NBA front line players is not a little negative. It changes the whole scheme of things, the whole direction of the program. Anyone who underestimates the impact that those two players would have had on the program is quite delusional.
I'm not thrilled about it either Linda, but the sky truly is not falling.
http://zagsblog.com/articles/st-johns-among-those-pursuing-mudiay/ (http://zagsblog.com/articles/st-johns-among-those-pursuing-mudiay/)
Could be the best player in the '14 class. Not in NY, in the whole class.
I love the dopy responses from the cheerleaders for whom the staff can do no wrong. I never said we were doomed or otherwise but to just blow off losing two high impact players that were in our own back yard ( wasn't Hicks supposed to help with that) is just ridiculous. I am sure that if posters such as boo boo were around when we lost Alcinder to UCLA, he would have been the first to say, " no big deal", and we all know how that went.
In terms of Mudiay, he is also listed with a multitude of schools and we are not even his dream school as we were Macs and Jermains to some extent. But I'm sure if we don't get Mudiay, the cheerleaders will once again state" no big deal".
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Who dis?
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IMO Crean had a much easier task than Lavin had simply because it was the Indiana job. That is one of the few jobs that recruits for itself. Crean had an established reputation and no hiatus. Doesn't matter what the roster looked like when Crean took over. Once he did, he was in the conversation with loads of top kids.
Lavin was out of bball as a broadcaster after being fired and run out of town at UCLA. He came to bottom dweller SJU that people had forgotten about for a decade or two and had to replace double-digit scholarships in one season.
Right now we are on a great track, but we still don't and won't have the pull of an Indiana. We're getting back though, with real talent and moving up quickly. No doubt in my mind Lavin had the tougher rebuild IMO.
Please look at Crean's classes Marcus.
Lavin brought in Top 5 class before the ball was even tipped with him coaching a game. Guess that hiatus meant nothing.
Little objectivity here. If your going to compare Crean's start to an STJ period try Norm's first couple of years. However thats where it stops as Norm couldnt hold Crean's jock.
I'm being totally objective Moose. Lavin's recruiting success here at SJU has nothing to do with the difficulty of the job. Taking over at Indiana which is a top 5 job, for a coach like Crean coming off a bunch of success at Marquette is a much, much easier and enviable position. No comparison. It has nothing to do with the classes they brought in at the time. Lavin did amazing things here considering the circumstances.
Lavin came in and we were a bottom 4 Big East team when Norm left and had a team full of seniors, leaving Lavin an entire team to recruit. Norm's first few years here have absolutely nothing in common with a coach of Crean's stature taking over at a top 5 program like Indiana.
Just because I don't agree doesn't mean I'm not being objective. I don't care whether Indiana had a few poor years under Davis. Stepping in there is easier than taking over a SJU team that stunk for several coaches tenures prior to Lavin coming on board.
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Who dis?
Just a girl keep it real....ya know.
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Unless you point out every single negative and harp on it, you're a cheerleader.
So be it. I couldn't care less.
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Unless you point out every single negative and harp on it, you're a cheerleader.
So be it. I couldn't care less.
No, he'll call him/herself a "realist"... ;)
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How was it easier when Lavin had a Top 5 class before even playing a regular season game. He was pitching STJ, MSG, BE, NYC all that jazz. Crean had a historic program on probation with nobody coming back. In addition Lavin then took the team he had and took them the to the NCAA's paving the way for excitement with the group coming in even higher.
Sorry but take a step back and look at what job you would have rather had. Crean walking into a minefield, or STJ with a clean slate of schollies you can fill at your disposal.
I think Lavin walked into a good situation for instant success his first year, but Crean had the better program from which to build, IMO. Plus, filling 10 spots at once is not a place that any head coach wants to find himself in year 2 of his tenure.
On the contrary I think most coaches would love that chance. Its a chance to make the team on their own and not deal with the previous regime's players hanging around.
Only thing you can look back on is what a few said last year. Instead of going for all the heavy hitters maybe some role players and safer options so you didn't have 3 ppl not make it to start and another fly the coop mid season.
I'll defer to your view on this Moose, but I don't recall Lavin talking about having to fill 10 spots in one year as a great position to be in. He described it more as a challenge that would take some time before the fruit of his labors of "filling the arc" would materialize. Maybe he was just exercising good expectation management skills.
I don't think its something a coach would publicly say is great. Because then its a knock on the previous coach/players.
When you consider that Lavin was away from the game for so long to come into a situation where he has to fill 10 spots is not an ideal position to be in. Its not a great situation because you want your freshmen to learn from the upperclassmen both on and off the court, how to balance school, practice, working out, etc.. Heavy hitters or not, he's still locked in and won't have many ships available until 2015. Crean didn't have worry about that, his ships were already staggered. The fact that he brought in a top 10 class his first year is more of a testament on Lavin's ability rather than the situation, IMO. This program wasn't relevant! National programs bounce back from sanctions. Baylor had a murder on there hands! it didn't impact their recruiting success.
I don't know enough about Crean's teams but he had to field a team so he took walkons I guess or gave some walkons schollies. Not sure how many were taken away. I just remember the teams were bad and he didn't have many guys. Otherwise he would have had a massive class.
As for Baylor it did impact their recruiting.
8-21
9-19
4-13
15-16
21-11
Those were Scott Drew's first 5 yrs at Baylor (after the murder)
I look at it from the standpoint of the long term impact on recruiting. Most coaches spend years developing relationships with kids before they commit. It takes time. 3-4 years is what I would expect for a quality coach to turn around any program. You make contact with a kid freshman year of HS and some even sooner to land them, so maybe initially, the murder or sanctions may have affected the program, but long term, the program survives. Baylor was involved in a murder cover up not to long ago, and yet they are in on all the top talent and landing them. Although Indiana had sanctions, they were still considered a better program than us, which is why IMO, Lavin had a tougher job since he has to resurrect our program.
The difference is Baylor sucked before the murder issue. I'm just not following the thinking here. Lavin pulled in a Top 5 class before ever coaching a game. So much for him laying groundwork years in advance. Combine that with the fact he didnt have to coach a team of walkons thru NCAA violations and he did not have a tougher job than Crean.
My point about Baylor was to show another example that issues surrounding a program that may smear a program isn't something good coaches can't over come. So your point about Indiana being worst off because of their violations I don't agree with. Lavin's ability to pull in a top class is because of Lavin, not STJ, and is not indicative of Lavs being in a better situation but it does speak volumes of what he will be capable of doing given the time.
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When you've hired the person that you believe is right for the job---especially when he has a successful track record---then you have to be patient and give him time to rebuild. If there is no progress then, eventually, you have to move on. But as long as things are moving in the right direction (as it is with St. John's) then you can't overreact to each little negative.
I love that Lavin is not so desperate to get any one recruit that he will sell his soul. He knows that he can get the players he needs to make us successful.
Little negative?? Losing McCullough and now Lawrence, in back to back recruiting classes and who are both 5 star recruits and potential future NBA front line players is not a little negative. It changes the whole scheme of things, the whole direction of the program. Anyone who underestimates the impact that those two players would have had on the program is quite delusional.
I'm not thrilled about it either Linda, but the sky truly is not falling.
http://zagsblog.com/articles/st-johns-among-those-pursuing-mudiay/ (http://zagsblog.com/articles/st-johns-among-those-pursuing-mudiay/)
Could be the best player in the '14 class. Not in NY, in the whole class.
I love the dopy responses from the cheerleaders for whom the staff can do no wrong. I never said we were doomed or otherwise but to just blow off losing two high impact players that were in our own back yard ( wasn't Hicks supposed to help with that) is just ridiculous. I am sure that if posters such as boo boo were around when we lost Alcinder to UCLA, he would have been the first to say, " no big deal", and we all know how that went.
In terms of Mudiay, he is also listed with a multitude of schools and we are not even his dream school as we were Macs and Jermains to some extent. But I'm sure if we don't get Mudiay, the cheerleaders will once again state" no big deal".
If you want to call me a Lavin cheerleader that's fine. I'm in his corner, I want him to do well. I even criticize some of the things he does. But if you look at our situation with a little bit of perspective instead of nitpicking everything he does or does not do, he's done a damn good job in a short period of time. In the grand scheme of things, losing McCollough and Lawrence could end up being "no big deal." You are not going to get every recruit. The fact that we were in the running for them in the first place is a huge accomplishment. We are spoiled right now because we are used to Lavin's recruiting ability. Sure it sucks we missed out on them, but I have confidence there will be someone else to fill out our roster.
If the day we hired Lavin, you told me in 2 years we'd have 7 top 100 recruits on the team and in year 3 (year 2 of recruiting), we would be sitting at 14-8 (6-4) I would definitely sign up for that. I assume all of you would have too. But for some reason we seem to have quite a few disgruntled fans. I don't understand it.
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Unless you point out every single negative and harp on it, you're a cheerleader.
So be it. I couldn't care less.
Sadly, that's what it's come to around here.
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When you've hired the person that you believe is right for the job---especially when he has a successful track record---then you have to be patient and give him time to rebuild. If there is no progress then, eventually, you have to move on. But as long as things are moving in the right direction (as it is with St. John's) then you can't overreact to each little negative.
I love that Lavin is not so desperate to get any one recruit that he will sell his soul. He knows that he can get the players he needs to make us successful.
Little negative?? Losing McCullough and now Lawrence, in back to back recruiting classes and who are both 5 star recruits and potential future NBA front line players is not a little negative. It changes the whole scheme of things, the whole direction of the program. Anyone who underestimates the impact that those two players would have had on the program is quite delusional.
I'm not thrilled about it either Linda, but the sky truly is not falling.
http://zagsblog.com/articles/st-johns-among-those-pursuing-mudiay/ (http://zagsblog.com/articles/st-johns-among-those-pursuing-mudiay/)
Could be the best player in the '14 class. Not in NY, in the whole class.
I love the dopy responses from the cheerleaders for whom the staff can do no wrong.
Ahhh you got me! :D Yup, I'm definitely a cheerleader.
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IMO Crean had a much easier task than Lavin had simply because it was the Indiana job. That is one of the few jobs that recruits for itself. Crean had an established reputation and no hiatus. Doesn't matter what the roster looked like when Crean took over. Once he did, he was in the conversation with loads of top kids.
Lavin was out of bball as a broadcaster after being fired and run out of town at UCLA. He came to bottom dweller SJU that people had forgotten about for a decade or two and had to replace double-digit scholarships in one season.
Right now we are on a great track, but we still don't and won't have the pull of an Indiana. We're getting back though, with real talent and moving up quickly. No doubt in my mind Lavin had the tougher rebuild IMO.
Please look at Crean's classes Marcus.
Lavin brought in Top 5 class before the ball was even tipped with him coaching a game. Guess that hiatus meant nothing.
Little objectivity here. If your going to compare Crean's start to an STJ period try Norm's first couple of years. However thats where it stops as Norm couldnt hold Crean's jock.
I'm being totally objective Moose. Lavin's recruiting success here at SJU has nothing to do with the difficulty of the job. Taking over at Indiana which is a top 5 job, for a coach like Crean coming off a bunch of success at Marquette is a much, much easier and enviable position. No comparison. It has nothing to do with the classes they brought in at the time. Lavin did amazing things here considering the circumstances.
Lavin came in and we were a bottom 4 Big East team when Norm left and had a team full of seniors, leaving Lavin an entire team to recruit. Norm's first few years here have absolutely nothing in common with a coach of Crean's stature taking over at a top 5 program like Indiana.
Just because I don't agree doesn't mean I'm not being objective. I don't care whether Indiana had a few poor years under Davis. Stepping in there is easier than taking over a SJU team that stunk for several coaches tenures prior to Lavin coming on board.
First of all Crean replaced Sampson not Davis.
Second of all 7 yrs off didnt seem to affect his recruiting.
If its Top 5 job and it was so much easier how come he didn't rebound quicker then? Answer is NCAA violations. Anyone who tries to say a job chalk full of violations is easier than what Lavin had is totally wrong.
Didn't we make the NIT the year before Lavin?
Norm is more similar to Creans situation. What team did he take over again? Take all your history stuff aside. Two barren programs.
I mean this is pretty cut and dry.
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How was it easier when Lavin had a Top 5 class before even playing a regular season game. He was pitching STJ, MSG, BE, NYC all that jazz. Crean had a historic program on probation with nobody coming back. In addition Lavin then took the team he had and took them the to the NCAA's paving the way for excitement with the group coming in even higher.
Sorry but take a step back and look at what job you would have rather had. Crean walking into a minefield, or STJ with a clean slate of schollies you can fill at your disposal.
I think Lavin walked into a good situation for instant success his first year, but Crean had the better program from which to build, IMO. Plus, filling 10 spots at once is not a place that any head coach wants to find himself in year 2 of his tenure.
On the contrary I think most coaches would love that chance. Its a chance to make the team on their own and not deal with the previous regime's players hanging around.
Only thing you can look back on is what a few said last year. Instead of going for all the heavy hitters maybe some role players and safer options so you didn't have 3 ppl not make it to start and another fly the coop mid season.
I'll defer to your view on this Moose, but I don't recall Lavin talking about having to fill 10 spots in one year as a great position to be in. He described it more as a challenge that would take some time before the fruit of his labors of "filling the arc" would materialize. Maybe he was just exercising good expectation management skills.
I don't think its something a coach would publicly say is great. Because then its a knock on the previous coach/players.
When you consider that Lavin was away from the game for so long to come into a situation where he has to fill 10 spots is not an ideal position to be in. Its not a great situation because you want your freshmen to learn from the upperclassmen both on and off the court, how to balance school, practice, working out, etc.. Heavy hitters or not, he's still locked in and won't have many ships available until 2015. Crean didn't have worry about that, his ships were already staggered. The fact that he brought in a top 10 class his first year is more of a testament on Lavin's ability rather than the situation, IMO. This program wasn't relevant! National programs bounce back from sanctions. Baylor had a murder on there hands! it didn't impact their recruiting success.
I don't know enough about Crean's teams but he had to field a team so he took walkons I guess or gave some walkons schollies. Not sure how many were taken away. I just remember the teams were bad and he didn't have many guys. Otherwise he would have had a massive class.
As for Baylor it did impact their recruiting.
8-21
9-19
4-13
15-16
21-11
Those were Scott Drew's first 5 yrs at Baylor (after the murder)
I look at it from the standpoint of the long term impact on recruiting. Most coaches spend years developing relationships with kids before they commit. It takes time. 3-4 years is what I would expect for a quality coach to turn around any program. You make contact with a kid freshman year of HS and some even sooner to land them, so maybe initially, the murder or sanctions may have affected the program, but long term, the program survives. Baylor was involved in a murder cover up not to long ago, and yet they are in on all the top talent and landing them. Although Indiana had sanctions, they were still considered a better program than us, which is why IMO, Lavin had a tougher job since he has to resurrect our program.
The difference is Baylor sucked before the murder issue. I'm just not following the thinking here. Lavin pulled in a Top 5 class before ever coaching a game. So much for him laying groundwork years in advance. Combine that with the fact he didnt have to coach a team of walkons thru NCAA violations and he did not have a tougher job than Crean.
My point about Baylor was to show another example that issues surrounding a program that may smear a program isn't something good coaches can't over come. So your point about Indiana being worst off because of their violations I don't agree with. Lavin's ability to pull in a top class is because of Lavin, not STJ, and is not indicative of Lavs being in a better situation but it does speak volumes of what he will be capable of doing given the time.
Dealing in generalities like that we will have to just agree to disagree. So your saying Lavin > Crean. Which even I won't say. Because if Indiana was worse off as you and Marcus feel than Lavin would have had them playing better than Crean quicker. The only reason Crean could not get them back sooner was kids don't want to go to programs on probation for the most part. What changed then? Zeller committed to a losing program still but the veil was lifted.
I'm just surprised people really think we were in worse shape than IND.
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1. Kentucky
2. Kansas
3. North Carolina
4. Indiana
In my opinion, these are the top programs/best jobs in basketball. There are others that are elite due to their current coaches. I would probably put UCLA at #5. The problem is that they are waiting for another John Wooden to come in. Tough to say where Duke and Syracuse will be when their current HOF coaches retire.
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Guys, let's just put an asterisk next to Baylor when we talk about great rebuilding efforts.
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The "Curse of Linda Mirabella"
“@AdamZagoria: .@mainestory fouls out w/ 5 pts and 5 rebs in 1st game since committing to Cincy”
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Also we can probably split this convo up. Not that the Jermaine thread would be getting much action anyway since he popped for Cincy. But I won't hammer my point home anymore. I strongly feel that Lav had it easier than Crean. That's my two cents.
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The "Curse of Linda Mirabella"
“@AdamZagoria: .@mainestory fouls out w/ 5 pts and 5 rebs in 1st game since committing to Cincy”
Tough night for Alcindor
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Completely off topic but did you guys know Crean is married to the Harbaugh brothers' sister?
Tough week for that family, his two brothers-in-law just played against each other in the Super Bowl, and his team is ranked #1 again in college basketball.
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Also we can probably split this convo up. Not that the Jermaine thread would be getting much action anyway since he popped for Cincy. But I won't hammer my point home anymore. I strongly feel that Lav had it easier than Crean. That's my two cents.
I can see both sides to this one. On the one hand, Crean inherited 2 walkons, that's it. And all the defections/transfers were well after recruiting season had ended. Lavin had a team of seniors coming back, and a year and half to recruit the next year's class. In that sense, I think Moose is right - it was a pretty awful situation in '07-'08 in Indiana.
But, with that said; when Indiana missed the tourny those last two years of the Mike Davis era, '04 and '05... that was the first time they hadn't gone dancing since 1985. Think about that. Plus as bad as they were in the post-Knight era, Davis did take them to a championship game in '02. Throw in the facilities they have, or have built recently, and it's pretty easy to get an Indiana program back on it's feet. It's more of a challenge at SJU.
Crean inherited a worse situation initially, but he had resources that made a quick return to prominence much easier I think.
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No need to beat this thing to death.
If you see zero parallels between the Indiana situation w/ Crean and ours w/ Lavin, so be it.
Initial point was: 2 historic programs in the dumper, both hire a big time coach to revitalize.
Crean struggles first 3 years ( 20 + losses each season), now, 5 years in has No.1 team in country.
Lavin- now 2 1/2 years in. Because things aren't perfect now, doesn't mean that it won't work ( see Crean above). BTW, things are much better here than they were at IU 2 1/2 years in...
Patience Patience Patience. If you don't have patience...well, that sucks for you.
If you want to not be a cheerleader and focus on everything that is wrong, that is your deal. Enjoy. I'll continue to be positive because I think the future is bright.
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Well said.
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I was at the game mike young played well
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I was at the game mike young played well
Good player in the typical Pitt big man mold
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The "Curse of Linda Mirabella"
“@AdamZagoria: .@mainestory fouls out w/ 5 pts and 5 rebs in 1st game since committing to Cincy”
Curse? Oh you mean cause it was the kids first game back after a significant injury? Or is it that since he didn't sign with Lavin the kid sucks?
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Unless you point out every single negative and harp on it, you're a cheerleader.
So be it. I couldn't care less.
Sadly, that's what it's come to around here.
We all want Lavin to do well, my post was more about the "no big deal" response from posters when coach has lost every recruit he has gone after this year. At this point, if and when he does bring in a recruit it will be a fall back option. Yet I am sure that whoever it is, the cheerleaders will once again tout them as the greatest thing since sliced bread. ( remember C. Johnes?) How can you look at this team, with our lack of front court bulk and the possibility of losing Sampson and not be concerned about next years personnel? As a true fan, shouldnt you be?
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Next year's team will be better than this year's team.
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True fan or did you mean real fan :)
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True fan or did you mean real fan :)
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What? Are you a real fan?
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True fan or did you mean real fan :)
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What? Are you a real fan?
Shots Fired :angel:
But I digress
Yeah u can look it up I posted prior to the news we don't need JL we need a rebounder who can hit free throws!!!!!!!
P.S. a highly skilled guard! :knuppel2:
Bring it home lavin
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Know some posters had concerns about wrist injury;
“@NYPost_Brazille: Cincinnati commit Jermaine Lawrence will sit out the rest if the season per his physician. He injured his wrist on Saturday ...”
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Know some posters had concerns about wrist injury;
“@NYPost_Brazille: Cincinnati commit Jermaine Lawrence will sit out the rest if the season per his physician. He injured his wrist on Saturday ...”
That's too bad. He can use some of that Bearcat cash to buy himself a present. Maybe that would cheer him up?
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Maybe Mick Cronin can get him some deer antler extract. Should also be available in hunting stores in Sussex County.
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That's too bad. He can use some of that Bearcat cash to buy himself a present.
I am curious - why is it that a kid signs with another program and he is on the take..? I am not saying you are wrong here but are the fans of the other programs wrong when they say tyhe same exact thing about St. John's when they sign a player.
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That's too bad. He can use some of that Bearcat cash to buy himself a present.
I am curious - why is it that a kid signs with another program and he is on the take..? I am not saying you are wrong here but are the fans of the other programs wrong when they say tyhe same exact thing about St. John's when they sign a player.
It's part of the recruiting game, you win some and lose some. Cincinnati was due after we landed Gift and Obekpa. We all know that Lawrence recruitment was strange, it is what it is. I personally am not throwing stones.
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I am curious - why is it that a kid signs with another program and he is on the take..? I am not saying you are wrong here but are the fans of the other programs wrong when they say tyhe same exact thing about St. John's when they sign a player.
I could be wrong and apologies if I am but didn't you say similar things re: Kyle and UCLA?
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That's too bad. He can use some of that Bearcat cash to buy himself a present.
I am curious - why is it that a kid signs with another program and he is on the take..? I am not saying you are wrong here but are the fans of the other programs wrong when they say tyhe same exact thing about St. John's when they sign a player.
It's part of the recruiting game, you win some and lose some. Cincinnati was due after we landed Gift and Obekpa. We all know that Lawrence recruitment was strange, it is what it is. I personally am not throwing stones.
The recruitment that really bothered me was Gathers. Then Wainright after that. I don't trust Drew. He's known to be the dirtiest recruiter in the game. Jermaine's was strange as well. His "handler" was apparentlynvy influential and not in a good way. I can see how people don't trust his recruitment either, but I'm ok with it.
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I am curious - why is it that a kid signs with another program and he is on the take..? I am not saying you are wrong here but are the fans of the other programs wrong when they say tyhe same exact thing about St. John's when they sign a player.
I could be wrong and apologies if I am but didn't you say similar things re: Kyle and UCLA?
Stealing Kyle from SJU is one thing. Stealing him from Seton Hall was just waaay too much for him to take... :2funny:
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I could be wrong and apologies if I am but didn't you say similar things re: Kyle and UCLA?
You are right and I did say it, I will still stick by it on that case because its true...
Two things, I was just asking a question... and KA picked UCLA over SHU, not SJU.
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I could be wrong and apologies if I am but didn't you say similar things re: Kyle and UCLA?
You are right and I did say it, I will still stick by it on that case because its true...
Two things, I was just asking a question... and KA picked UCLA over SHU, not SJU.
Who really cares? Neither landed him. He gave props to his hometown team that he milked for free basketball games, just like Fisher did to us, and Jordan may do to Temple.
The only way it really matters is if Kyle transfers from UCLA and goes to Seton Hall, thus admitting he went to the wrong place.
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That's too bad. He can use some of that Bearcat cash to buy himself a present.
I am curious - why is it that a kid signs with another program and he is on the take..? I am not saying you are wrong here but are the fans of the other programs wrong when they say tyhe same exact thing about St. John's when they sign a player.
A New Yorker goes to Cincinnati over staying home and being a star, something is up. What is in Cincinnati? If he picks Georgetown, I'm disappointed, but I get it. Duke, UCLA, NC etc, but Cimcinnati? Something smells.
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That's too bad. He can use some of that Bearcat cash to buy himself a present.
I am curious - why is it that a kid signs with another program and he is on the take..? I am not saying you are wrong here but are the fans of the other programs wrong when they say tyhe same exact thing about St. John's when they sign a player.
A New Yorker goes to Cincinnati over staying home and being a star, something is up. What is in Cincinnati? If he picks Georgetown, I'm disappointed, but I get it. Duke, UCLA, NC etc, but Cimcinnati? Something smells.
You feel the same about Lance Stevenson?
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I am curious - why is it that a kid signs with another program and he is on the take..? I am not saying you are wrong here but are the fans of the other programs wrong when they say tyhe same exact thing about St. John's when they sign a player.
I could be wrong and apologies if I am but didn't you say similar things re: Kyle and UCLA?
UCLA is awesome. Awesome school. Awesome history and program and it's in a great location. Who wouldn't want to go there?
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That's too bad. He can use some of that Bearcat cash to buy himself a present.
I am curious - why is it that a kid signs with another program and he is on the take..? I am not saying you are wrong here but are the fans of the other programs wrong when they say tyhe same exact thing about St. John's when they sign a player.
A New Yorker goes to Cincinnati over staying home and being a star, something is up. What is in Cincinnati? If he picks Georgetown, I'm disappointed, but I get it. Duke, UCLA, NC etc, but Cimcinnati? Something smells.
You feel the same about Lance Stevenson?
Of course. It's a beautiful country. You have your pick a flyover state? Why? Because of Cronin's track record w getting guys to the league? Um, no. Then why?
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That's too bad. He can use some of that Bearcat cash to buy himself a present.
I am curious - why is it that a kid signs with another program and he is on the take..? I am not saying you are wrong here but are the fans of the other programs wrong when they say tyhe same exact thing about St. John's when they sign a player.
A New Yorker goes to Cincinnati over staying home and being a star, something is up. What is in Cincinnati? If he picks Georgetown, I'm disappointed, but I get it. Duke, UCLA, NC etc, but Cimcinnati? Something smells.
You feel the same about Lance Stevenson?
Of course. It's a beautiful country. You have your pick a flyover state? Why? Because of Cronin's track record w getting guys to the league? Um, no. Then why?
I agree with you but it's just how the recruiting game is played.
Does anyone really want to live 4 years in Syracuse? Or Kansas?
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A New Yorker goes to Cincinnati over staying home and being a star, something is up. What is in Cincinnati? If he picks Georgetown, I'm disappointed, but I get it. Duke, UCLA, NC etc, but Cimcinnati? Something smells.
In the last 25 years, how many Top 50 kids from NYC have stayed home and been stars in college..? How many have gone away to school and accomplished great things.?
Ones I can think of off the top of my head that stayed home - Malik Sealy, Ron Artest, Eric Barkley, Felipe Lopez
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That's too bad. He can use some of that Bearcat cash to buy himself a present.
I am curious - why is it that a kid signs with another program and he is on the take..? I am not saying you are wrong here but are the fans of the other programs wrong when they say tyhe same exact thing about St. John's when they sign a player.
A New Yorker goes to Cincinnati over staying home and being a star, something is up. What is in Cincinnati? If he picks Georgetown, I'm disappointed, but I get it. Duke, UCLA, NC etc, but Cimcinnati? Something smells.
Maybe he likes the city of Cincinnati, maybe he felt more comfortable with the coaches/team, maybe he wanted to get out of NY, maybe he thought it was a better fit for him. It could be anything and its not absurd to think that another school can beat us for a player just by hard work. Bottom line, he is not coming and we will move on
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Maybe the choice came down to PT and starting. Mick could have told him he was starting as there is no competition for him in their front line. Lavin could not guarantee that for him; rather he would have to earn it. Is JaKarr coming back; will Orlando be eleigible and what about Chris and GG.
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That's too bad. He can use some of that Bearcat cash to buy himself a present.
I am curious - why is it that a kid signs with another program and he is on the take..? I am not saying you are wrong here but are the fans of the other programs wrong when they say tyhe same exact thing about St. John's when they sign a player.
A New Yorker goes to Cincinnati over staying home and being a star, something is up. What is in Cincinnati? If he picks Georgetown, I'm disappointed, but I get it. Duke, UCLA, NC etc, but Cimcinnati? Something smells.
You feel the same about Lance Stevenson?
Of course. It's a beautiful country. You have your pick a flyover state? Why? Because of Cronin's track record w getting guys to the league? Um, no. Then why?
I agree with you but it's just how the recruiting game is played.
Does anyone really want to live 4 years in Syracuse? Or Kansas?
The coaches at SU and Kansas, whether we like it or not have a HOF pedigree. Cincinnati's does not.
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A New Yorker goes to Cincinnati over staying home and being a star, something is up. What is in Cincinnati? If he picks Georgetown, I'm disappointed, but I get it. Duke, UCLA, NC etc, but Cimcinnati? Something smells.
In the last 25 years, how many Top 50 kids from NYC have stayed home and been stars in college..? How many have gone away to school and accomplished great things.?
Ones I can think of off the top of my head that stayed home - Malik Sealy, Ron Artest, Eric Barkley, Felipe Lopez
Kids were running away as fast as they could from Jarvis and Roberts. It's not like we have always lost out on local talent.
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That's too bad. He can use some of that Bearcat cash to buy himself a present.
I am curious - why is it that a kid signs with another program and he is on the take..? I am not saying you are wrong here but are the fans of the other programs wrong when they say tyhe same exact thing about St. John's when they sign a player.
A New Yorker goes to Cincinnati over staying home and being a star, something is up. What is in Cincinnati? If he picks Georgetown, I'm disappointed, but I get it. Duke, UCLA, NC etc, but Cimcinnati? Something smells.
Maybe he likes the city of Cincinnati, maybe he felt more comfortable with the coaches/team, maybe he wanted to get out of NY, maybe he thought it was a better fit for him. It could be anything and its not absurd to think that another school can beat us for a player just by hard work. Bottom line, he is not coming and we will move on
Maybe he likes the city of Cincinnati? Come on now.
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What city outside of NYC do you like?
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What city outside of NYC do you like?
Moscow in spring.
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What city outside of NYC do you like?
San Francisco, LA, Miami, Chicago, Washington. That's it. Rest is shit.
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What city outside of NYC do you like?
San Francisco, LA, Miami, Chicago, Washington. That's it. Rest is shit.
LA is the worst city in America.
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That's too bad. He can use some of that Bearcat cash to buy himself a present.
I am curious - why is it that a kid signs with another program and he is on the take..? I am not saying you are wrong here but are the fans of the other programs wrong when they say tyhe same exact thing about St. John's when they sign a player.
A New Yorker goes to Cincinnati over staying home and being a star, something is up. What is in Cincinnati? If he picks Georgetown, I'm disappointed, but I get it. Duke, UCLA, NC etc, but Cimcinnati? Something smells.
Maybe he likes the city of Cincinnati, maybe he felt more comfortable with the coaches/team, maybe he wanted to get out of NY, maybe he thought it was a better fit for him. It could be anything and its not absurd to think that another school can beat us for a player just by hard work. Bottom line, he is not coming and we will move on
Maybe he likes the city of Cincinnati? Come on now.
Haha I've never been but i'm sure there are people who like it
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What city outside of NYC do you like?
San Francisco, LA, Miami, Chicago, Washington. That's it. Rest is shit.
LA is the worst city in America.
Uh huh
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That's too bad. He can use some of that Bearcat cash to buy himself a present.
I am curious - why is it that a kid signs with another program and he is on the take..? I am not saying you are wrong here but are the fans of the other programs wrong when they say tyhe same exact thing about St. John's when they sign a player.
A New Yorker goes to Cincinnati over staying home and being a star, something is up. What is in Cincinnati? If he picks Georgetown, I'm disappointed, but I get it. Duke, UCLA, NC etc, but Cimcinnati? Something smells.
Maybe he likes the city of Cincinnati, maybe he felt more comfortable with the coaches/team, maybe he wanted to get out of NY, maybe he thought it was a better fit for him. It could be anything and its not absurd to think that another school can beat us for a player just by hard work. Bottom line, he is not coming and we will move on
Maybe he likes the city of Cincinnati? Come on now.
Haha I've never been but i'm sure there are people who like it
You mean, you haven't vacationed there?
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Downtown Cincy is really nice, clean and right near the river but on the drive from downtown to campus you go through some pretty rough areas. The campus itself is beautiful and big but the area around it is disgusting.
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You guys act like St. John's is some gorgeous place to spend 2 years of college ball before you go pro. UVA it is not.
Funny stuff.
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Downtown Cincy is really nice, clean and right near the river but on the drive from downtown to campus you go through some pretty rough areas. The campus itself is beautiful and big but the area around it is disgusting.
What on earth where you doing in Cincinnati?
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What city outside of NYC do you like?
San Francisco, LA, Miami, Chicago, Washington. That's it. Rest is shit.
San Francisco has great food, but the city is filthy. And try not to get murdered there because the SFPD will never solve the crime and will lie to your family about it.
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What city outside of NYC do you like?
San Francisco, LA, Miami, Chicago, Washington. That's it. Rest is shit.
San Francisco has great food, but the city is filthy. And try not to get murdered there because the SFPD will never solve the crime and will lie to your family about it.
The city is filthy? Well then, forget it!
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Downtown Cincy is really nice, clean and right near the river but on the drive from downtown to campus you go through some pretty rough areas. The campus itself is beautiful and big but the area around it is disgusting.
What on earth where you doing in Cincinnati?
Family member had a football game against Cincy. I stayed downtown and I was shocked at how clean it was. You could eat dinner off the downtown Cincy streets. Then when I drove north to campus for the game I saw the real Cincinnati and it was not pretty at all.
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What city outside of NYC do you like?
San Francisco, LA, Miami, Chicago, Washington. That's it. Rest is shit.
LA is the worst city in America.
Uh huh
It's always been my opinion, before and after moving here, that LA is an AWFUL place to visit, even more so if you're looking for a cultural, urban experience you'd expect from a big city. But didn't take long to realize it's a pretty great place to live.
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What city outside of NYC do you like?
San Francisco, LA, Miami, Chicago, Washington. That's it. Rest is shit.
To visit I'd add Boston, Nawluns, Charleston, and Seattle. I actually like me some Baltimore but that's probably because I have very good friends there, some in the restaurant industry who keep me well fed. Want to get to Portland OR and see what's going on there. Again, have friends and love the show. ;)
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What city outside of NYC do you like?
San Francisco, LA, Miami, Chicago, Washington. That's it. Rest is shit.
To visit I'd add Boston, Nawluns, Charleston, and Seattle. I actually like me some Baltimore but that's probably because I have very good friends there, some in the restaurant industry who keep me well fed. Want to get to Portland OR and see what's going on there. Again, have friends and love the show. ;)
Portland is a pretty sweet city. Interesting perspective on LA above. Love Charleston as well.
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What city outside of NYC do you like?
San Francisco, LA, Miami, Chicago, Washington. That's it. Rest is shit.
To visit I'd add Boston, Nawluns, Charleston, and Seattle. I actually like me some Baltimore but that's probably because I have very good friends there, some in the restaurant industry who keep me well fed. Want to get to Portland OR and see what's going on there. Again, have friends and love the show. ;)
Portland is a pretty sweet city. Interesting perspective on LA above. Love Charleston as well.
Remember not every school is big city. Y'all are welcome in Blacksburg any time! Gateway to the big city of Roanoke, VA (pop. 96,000!). :D
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Seattle didn't do it for me the whopping one time I was there, but I will say that I thought it was the most physically fit city I've been to. I love Santa Fe, and if were are allowing for Canadian cities in the list, I think Vancouver blows a lot of U.S. cities away.
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Seattle didn't do it for me the whopping one time I was there, but I will say that I thought it was the most physically fit city I've been to. I love Santa Fe, and if were are allowing for Canadian cities in the list, I think Vancouver blows a lot of U.S. cities away.
Vancouver is pretty much a US city. Most of Canada doesn't consider them part :)
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Obi-Wan: That boy is our last hope.
Yoda: No. There is another.
Like I say......
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Obi-Wan: That boy is our last hope.
Yoda: No. There is another.
Like I say......
Haha classic choz!
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What city outside of NYC do you like?
San Francisco, LA, Miami, Chicago, Washington. That's it. Rest is shit.
To visit I'd add Boston, Nawluns, Charleston, and Seattle. I actually like me some Baltimore but that's probably because I have very good friends there, some in the restaurant industry who keep me well fed. Want to get to Portland OR and see what's going on there. Again, have friends and love the show. ;)
Portland is a pretty sweet city. Interesting perspective on LA above. Love Charleston as well.
Remember not every school is big city. Y'all are welcome in Blacksburg any time! Gateway to the big city of Roanoke, VA (pop. 96,000!). :D
I live in Lynchburg, and have been to Blacksburg a bunch of times. Booming metropolis that it is.
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FWIW, Maven tweeting not to be surprised if Lawrence preps another year.
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FWIW, Maven tweeting not to be surprised if Lawrence preps another year.
I could have sworn the NCAA was getting much stricter with kids being allowed to do post grad years to become eligible.
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FWIW, Maven tweeting not to be surprised if Lawrence preps another year.
I could have sworn the NCAA was getting much stricter with kids being allowed to do post grad years to become eligible.
I don't think this past year was prep year for him though?
And I think 2014 was the first class it would apply to.
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I forget, what are the buzzards doing to the kids in 2014?
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FWIW, Maven tweeting not to be surprised if Lawrence preps another year.
I could have sworn the NCAA was getting much stricter with kids being allowed to do post grad years to become eligible.
I don't think this past year was prep year for him though?
And I think 2014 was the first class it would apply to.
Yeah the new rules weren't just for multiple prep years.
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Does this have to do with grades or is he just seeing how things play out(if he does do an extra year)? Cincinnati is in a state of limbo so if he does take a prep year he might just be waiting to see where the program ends up. Because its probably not going to be where they are now.
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Does this have to do with grades or is he just seeing how things play out(if he does do an extra year)? Cincinnati is in a state of limbo so if he does take a prep year he might just be waiting to see where the program ends up. Because its probably not going to be where they are now.
First of all, this is only Internet chatter.
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Definitely only web chatter. I am as out of the loop as anybody. Was just curious is all. Putting myself in his shoes I might want to give myself some extra time to see how things pan out.
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Maven was the one with inside info about him committing to Cinci in the first place. Maybe he does know something.
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Maven was the one with inside info about him committing to Cinci in the first place. Maybe he does know something.
He often does.
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If that is indeed the case, his recruitment was a big waste of time and we got Orlando next year anyway. If maven is suggesting it, good chance it has legs.
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Fwiw;
“@NYPost_Brazille: Hearing Queens product Jermaine Lawrence has looked good in workouts with Cincinnati and will see time as a role player.”
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Fwiw;
“@NYPost_Brazille: Hearing Queens product Jermaine Lawrence has looked good in workouts with Cincinnati and will see time as a role player.”
Fwiw;
“@NYPost_Brazille: Hearing Queens product Jermaine Lawrence has looked good in workouts with Cincinnati and will see time as a role player.”
Fwiw;
“@NYPost_Brazille: Hearing Queens product Jermaine Lawrence has looked good in workouts with Cincinnati and will see time as a role player.”
If I was a Cinci fan, I'd actually be disappointed reading that.
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I thought the same thing.. Role player? I thought this kid was legit?
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I thought the same thing.. Role player? I thought this kid was legit?
Yeah, hope he's more than a role player for them. Sad because he could really have stepped into our roster after this season seamlessly.
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There's only one New Yorker I care about on that roster, and it's not JL.
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There's only one New Yorker I care about on that roster, and it's not JL.
Really? Who is it?
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There's only one New Yorker I care about on that roster, and it's not JL.
Really? Who is it?
Kilpatrick?
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There's only one New Yorker I care about on that roster, and it's not JL.
Really? Who is it?
Kilpatrick?
Always liked him. Had the feeling he was going to be really good in college after his really good senior year in high school. Wish we landed him.
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There's only one New Yorker I care about on that roster, and it's not JL.
Really? Who is it?
Kilpatrick?
Always liked him. Had the feeling he was going to be really good in college after his really good senior year in high school. Wish we landed him.
He is a Senior and will be 24 years old in January, bit of a joke that he is even still in college..
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I thought the same thing.. Role player? I thought this kid was legit?
He's a freshman, nothing wrong with working your way into a starting spot. Doesn't make him any less legit, imo. If he's still a role player as an upper classmen, then that's a different story.
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He is a Senior and will be 24 years old in January, bit of a joke that he is even still in college..
I never said I'd hire him to tutor my daughters. ;D
How was he eligible in high school if he is so old?
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A year ago we were screaming to get this kid...but he seems to have disappeared. For a projected 'one and done' kid, he's only getting about 16 minutes a game. What happened?
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A year ago we were screaming to get this kid...but he seems to have disappeared. For a projected 'one and done' kid, he's only getting about 16 minutes a game. What happened?
Injured, still adapting to much more physical game & rumored to be a bit homesick. It is clear he is a small forward who will take time to develop.
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And he is playing on a good team, competing with veterans for minutes. I wonder how is "handler" who apparently caused us and others to back off is dealing with that lol.
If it was between him and Sheed, I think we ended up better off. Premature to say who ends up being the better player, but I think we needed Sheed at the point much more.
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A year ago we were screaming to get this kid...but he seems to have disappeared. For a projected 'one and done' kid, he's only getting about 16 minutes a game. What happened?
You really have to consider who is making the projections. Most of these kids need time to develop.
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A year ago we were screaming to get this kid...but he seems to have disappeared. For a projected 'one and done' kid, he's only getting about 16 minutes a game. What happened?
Injured, still adapting to much more physical game & rumored to be a bit homesick. It is clear he is a small forward who will take time to develop.
Hmmmm
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Bring him home. He can work on his game while sitting out.
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It would work. He could sit next year, then slip into Jakarr's slot the year after that.
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Then Lavin could tell us all he's the best player in practice and we can get all excited, and then super pissed when he only averages 9 a game as an rs soph. ;D
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LOL, he got stuck in that shit hole city of Cincinatti, and is now homesick. Well, those are the breaks. If he can somehow find his way back to the 7-1-8, and suit up for us, my stance changes on the strength of pure homerism.
Until then, not a single you know what is given.
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LOL, he got stuck in that shit hole city of Cincinatti, and is now homesick. Well, those are the breaks. If he can somehow find his way back to the 7-1-8, and suit up for us, my stance changes on the strength of pure homerism.
Until then, not a single you know what is given.
The operative word is "rumor".
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(914)
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(914)
Westchester Community?
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If he went to the MAAC he'd average like 40 a game as a junior/senior.
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(914)
Westchester Community?
Pace, Pleasantville Campus?
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If he went to the MAAC he'd average like 40 a game as a junior/senior.
Like Ashton Pankey is?
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Ha good point. Don't think Pankey was a top 25-30 recruit though. In Cluess' system I think Lawrence would put up crazy numbers when it was all said and done.
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Ha good point. Don't think Pankey was a top 25-30 recruit though. In Cluess' system I think Lawrence would put up crazy numbers when it was all said and done.
Plus no need to play defense.
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Ha good point. Don't think Pankey was a top 25-30 recruit though. In Cluess' system I think Lawrence would put up crazy numbers when it was all said and done.
If he wants to shoot and run, that's the place for him. Cluess has made that his staple. Come home and light it up
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Ha good point. Don't think Pankey was a top 25-30 recruit though. In Cluess' system I think Lawrence would put up crazy numbers when it was all said and done.
If he wants to shoot and run, that's the place for him. Cluess has made that his staple. Come home and light it up
You don't think SJU refined offensive approach is more appealing? ;)
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Or he can come here and go the Mo Harkless route -- except stay a few more years and win a bunch more games : )
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Isn't Jermaine Lawrence a really old freshman? Can he afford to transfer, sit out a year and then start building his reputation as a really old junior? I suppose he have an ill relative that requires his support.
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Ha good point. Don't think Pankey was a top 25-30 recruit though. In Cluess' system I think Lawrence would put up crazy numbers when it was all said and done.
If he wants to shoot and run, that's the place for him. Cluess has made that his staple. Come home and light it up
I still want Cluess to go all Paul Westhead with a bit more talent and go all Marymount on everyone running the system.
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Evan Daniels (@EvanDaniels)
5/9/14, 9:14 AM
Jermaine Lawrence asked Cincinnati for a release, per a source.
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Evan Daniels (@EvanDaniels)
5/9/14, 9:14 AM
Jermaine Lawrence asked Cincinnati for a release, per a source.
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Worth another shot? Sick neighbor?
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Evan Daniels (@EvanDaniels)
5/9/14, 9:14 AM
Jermaine Lawrence asked Cincinnati for a release, per a source.
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We should lock that kid up asap. He lived in Alumni Hall for years.
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His leaving has been kicked around a bit, now that it is happening let's get on him!
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Did the relationship with the staff deteriorate beyond repair at the end of his recruitment? Is the handler still steering the ship here?
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What Poison said. This kid was ready to be a Johnny for a long time. From a 20,000 feet in the sky perspective, he seemed to be unconfident at Cincy, perhaps due to coaches not having him ready or homesickness - maybe both. Let's go bring him home.
EDIT - just speculation, but given the late transfer date, this could tie to 2 things: 1) final exam results and 2) Octavious Ellis, a JC power forward who was dismissed from Cincy in 2012, just committed to rejoin the program yesterday.
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His leaving has been kicked around a bit, now that it is happening let's get on him!
Wow, picking up Lawrence for 2015 would make up for a lot. Can you imagine Diallo and Lawrence in the front court?? Get him Lavin!
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Long forward that should have come here to begin with. Too bad we can grab him for this year. Gimme Lawrence, Faust and a nice 2015 class and rebuilding won't be as daunting. I agree, definitely got to go after him. I think his best basketball is still ahead of him.
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Long forward that should have come here to begin with. Too bad we can grab him for this year. Gimme Lawrence, Faust and a nice 2015 class and rebuilding won't be as daunting. I agree, definitely got to go after him. I think his best basketball is still ahead of him.
Agreed. But he also comes with a certain handler who I know Lavs was not crazy about and that would need to be addressed if he came aboard.
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Lavin may not be coaching for his job quite yet, but he is coaching for credibility.
He needs to put petty differences aside with handlers and bring Lawrence in.
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Considering PT available in 15 & being near his family it seems to position us well. That said Fordham's point about his handler is a good one. I feel optimistic about this one, but we'll see.
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Lavin may not be coaching for his job quite yet, but he is coaching for credibility.
He needs to put petty differences aside with handlers and bring Lawrence in.
This isn't just petty differences and you don't sacrifice your integrity for anyone or anything. He could've hired Tiny too
Besides next year is just as big and Jermaine is not going to be eligible until the following year.
Let's see how this plays out.
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Fwiw, local basketball guy just told me watch out for Manhattan. Not looking to start a rumor, just sharing thoughts of a very credible person.
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Lavin may not be coaching for his job quite yet, but he is coaching for credibility.
He needs to put petty differences aside with handlers and bring Lawrence in.
Petty difference like who the hell runs the program!
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Long forward that should have come here to begin with. Too bad we can grab him for this year. Gimme Lawrence, Faust and a nice 2015 class and rebuilding won't be as daunting. I agree, definitely got to go after him. I think his best basketball is still ahead of him.
We'll grab Faust and then the board will be complaining about him in two years.
Here's a good overview written by Josh Stirn to get the board up to speed on whats been happening 4 hours to the south:
Excerpt:
"Over the past week, Faust has gotten some of the blame. He was, after all, the longest tenured player on the team and yet his position on the team was never set in stone. Throughout his years at Maryland, there were constant rumors of him potentially transferring. He had to be talked into staying. It was an uphill struggle keeping Faust in the fold.
Faust ultimately transferred to Oregon State for a chance at a bigger role, despite averaging 28 minutes per game this past season. The previous year, Pe’Shon Howard transferred to USC, perhaps paving a path to the West.
Like Faust, Howard was a veteran on the team – the longest tenured player on the 2012-13 team besides James Padgett. And like Faust, Howard’s maturity and team-first attitude were questioned. By the end of Howard’s final year at Maryland, his confidence was gone and he was in Turgeon's doghouse for on and off-court shortcomings.
Where does the head coach of the basketball team fall into this? According to reports, Faust and Pe’Shon Howard had been in Allen’s ear about transferring. The reason? They had told Allen that the lack of freedom Turgeon allows eventually destroys his players’ confidence."
http://maryland.247sports.com/Article/Transfers-Could-Help-Fix-Terps-Culture-28445318 (http://maryland.247sports.com/Article/Transfers-Could-Help-Fix-Terps-Culture-28445318)
Nick might be fine if he matures a bit and thinks team first in a year and a half, but what staff is willing to risk it? Lawrence's history with SJ's and backdrop make him a seemingly better fit.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Two locals now on transfer market in Kamari Murphy and Jermaine Lawrence. Could help a number of locals programs.
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We have three ships still to give (two if you think JDR gets a ship) Lawrence and Faust need to be recruited hard and Murphy would be great too. That would give you a major jump start on the 15 class and these kids would have already practiced in the system for a year.
You would still have as many as six ships to give in 15 with Greene Dee Branch Pointer and likely Jordan and Obekpa going pro.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Two locals now on transfer market in Kamari Murphy and Jermaine Lawrence. Could help a number of locals programs.
Zach is telling twitter followers that he does not believe Jermaine lands at SJU.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Two locals now on transfer market in Kamari Murphy and Jermaine Lawrence. Could help a number of locals programs.
Zach is telling twitter followers that he does not believe Jermaine lands at SJU.
Zach is well informed locally but I think it's premature to predict where he will go.
If he chooses Manhattan and Massielo there is a chancve he never even plays for him as Mass may take off at the first opportunity.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Two locals now on transfer market in Kamari Murphy and Jermaine Lawrence. Could help a number of locals programs.
Zach is telling twitter followers that he does not believe Jermaine lands at SJU.
Zach is well informed locally but I think it's premature to predict where he will go.
If he chooses Manhattan and Massielo there is a chancve he never even plays for him as Mass may take off at the first opportunity.
I haven't read about a formal agreement, but do you believe there is a gentleman's agreement that Mas isn't going anywhere for 2-3 years? There had to be some deal cut....
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@NYPost_Brazille: Two locals now on transfer market in Kamari Murphy and Jermaine Lawrence. Could help a number of locals programs.
Zach is telling twitter followers that he does not believe Jermaine lands at SJU.
Zach is well informed locally but I think it's premature to predict where he will go.
If he chooses Manhattan and Massielo there is a chancve he never even plays for him as Mass may take off at the first opportunity.
Look I don’t have inside knowledge on this but Zach seems to be speaking with a lot of certainty. In other words like he is sure because he has talked to certain people.
Also we are all jumping the gun since Cincy has not granted him a release yet.
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Spoke to two coaches this morning who told me they would be astonished if Lawrence does not end up at SJU
That said though, do the Big East rules on transfer apply since Cincy was Big East when he signed there...
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Spoke to two coaches this morning who told me they would be astonished if Lawrence does not end up at SJU
That said though, do the Big East rules on transfer apply since Cincy was Big East when he signed there...
Re your second point, I don't think so. Think there was an example this past year but can't remember who exactly.
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This would be a good start for the 2015 class and add some balance class year-wise. Hopefully it works out
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Spoke to two coaches this morning who told me they would be astonished if Lawrence does not end up at SJU
That said though, do the Big East rules on transfer apply since Cincy was Big East when he signed there...
Re your second point, I don't think so. Think there was an example this past year but can't remember who exactly.
Spoke to two coaches this morning who told me they would be astonished if Lawrence does not end up at SJU
That said though, do the Big East rules on transfer apply since Cincy was Big East when he signed there...
There was no rule about transfers from new conf to new big east
SEveral kids I think visited schools in new big east last year
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Not saying he isn't good or won't be good but he was a top 20 HS recruit who barely got off the bench for Cincy this year so he may not be as good as we all though he was a year ago. Not saying he wouldn't help but he just doesn't seem to be the must get he felt like a year ago. Do agree that rather than rely on all freshman for 15 it would be nice to have a player 2 years out of HS.
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@SammyAlbano: Hearing mutual intrst btween @mainestory & @StJohnsBBall. Kid saying family illness reason 4 transfer & will seek 4 immediate eligibility
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@SammyAlbano: Hearing mutual intrst btween @mainestory & @StJohnsBBall. Kid saying family illness reason 4 transfer & will seek 4 immediate eligibility
Would be absolutely huge for us.
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Lawrence struggled to find his way as a freshman. A top 25 recruit coming out of high school, Lawrence averaged only 2.8 points and 2.9 rebounds this past season. He missed eight games due to a turf toe injury that slowed his development and had a difficult time staying out of foul trouble."
"You lose five weeks of conditioning in the middle of the season and it just destroys your season," UC head coach Mick Cronin said after the season. "He just needs minutes so he can get comfortable on how to attack the defense and how to use his skills."
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/university-of-cincinnati/2014/05/09/report-ucs-jermaine-lawrence-transferring-says-source/8892401/ (http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/university-of-cincinnati/2014/05/09/report-ucs-jermaine-lawrence-transferring-says-source/8892401/)
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Getting this kid available this season wuod be phenomenal and game changing. Would make a huge difference in our frontcourt adding a 6'9" SF with 3 years eligibility.
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Not sure how much of a small forward he really is but would love to have him.
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Not sure how much of a small forward he really is but would love to have him.
Doesn't need to be a SF. We will run a 3 guard lineup. A prototypical SF is not necessary.
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Not sure how much of a small forward he really is but would love to have him.
Doesn't need to be a SF. We will run a 3 guard lineup. A prototypical SF is not necessary.
I know it's not necessary. Would be nice to have one though. Was just commenting on those who said he would fill the sf void. Wonder how my man C J would feel if he came on board.
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He's a SF and we don't need a PF. He's got nice dribbling skills for a guy his size and the SF spot is wide open. I'd rather play with 6'9" Lawrence at the SF spot than 6'2" Harrison. I'm not a fan of the 3-guard stuff. Lawrence is mobile, has a good handle and is a 3/4 who has lots of potential. He isn't a gunner from the outside, but can hit them if given the chance. Big uograde over what we have there. Lawrence and Pointer at the SF spot and I think we have salvaged our roster imo. We'd have legit forwards and centers up front and a fantastic backcourt. Ready to roll...
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Not sure how much of a small forward he really is but would love to have him.
Doesn't need to be a SF. We will run a 3 guard lineup. A prototypical SF is not necessary.
I know it's not necessary. Would be nice to have one though. Was just commenting on those who said he would fill the sf void. Wonder how my man C J would feel if he came on board.
Competition is good, makes players better. One's who work the hardest and play the best will play the most.
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He's a SF and we don't need a PF. He's got nice dribbling skills for a guy his size and the SF spot is wide open. I'd rather play with 6'9" Lawrence at the SF spot than 6'2" Harrison. I'm not a fan of the 3-guard stuff. Lawrence is mobile, has a good handle and is a 3/4 who has lots of potential. He isn't a gunner from the outside, but can hit them if given the chance. Big uograde over what we have there. Lawrence and Pointer at the SF spot and I think we have salvaged our roster imo. We'd have legit forwards and centers up front and a fantastic backcourt. Ready to roll...
Lawrence is more of a 4/3 where Harkless was more of a 3/4.
Also Manhattan recruited Lawrence hard. Was a bigger player in his recruitment than people know. I might have said it at one point in the thread.
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He's a SF and we don't need a PF. He's got nice dribbling skills for a guy his size and the SF spot is wide open. I'd rather play with 6'9" Lawrence at the SF spot than 6'2" Harrison. I'm not a fan of the 3-guard stuff. Lawrence is mobile, has a good handle and is a 3/4 who has lots of potential. He isn't a gunner from the outside, but can hit them if given the chance. Big uograde over what we have there. Lawrence and Pointer at the SF spot and I think we have salvaged our roster imo. We'd have legit forwards and centers up front and a fantastic backcourt. Ready to roll...
Definitely more a big man than a SF. But, again, we don't need a SF. Dom is enough at that position.
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I believe if "she" is not a big factor in this decision then I think it will be SJU.
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Not sure how much of a small forward he really is but would love to have him.
Doesn't need to be a SF. We will run a 3 guard lineup. A prototypical SF is not necessary.
I know it's not necessary. Would be nice to have one though. Was just commenting on those who said he would fill the sf void. Wonder how my man C J would feel if he came on board.
Competition is good, makes players better. One's who work the hardest and play the best will play the most.
Agree 100%. Unfortunately, as seen by the transfer thread, college players don't always have that mindset.
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He's a SF and we don't need a PF. He's got nice dribbling skills for a guy his size and the SF spot is wide open. I'd rather play with 6'9" Lawrence at the SF spot than 6'2" Harrison. I'm not a fan of the 3-guard stuff. Lawrence is mobile, has a good handle and is a 3/4 who has lots of potential. He isn't a gunner from the outside, but can hit them if given the chance. Big uograde over what we have there. Lawrence and Pointer at the SF spot and I think we have salvaged our roster imo. We'd have legit forwards and centers up front and a fantastic backcourt. Ready to roll...
Definitely more a big man than a SF. But, again, we don't need a SF. Dom is enough at that position.
Don't get me started. That's ridiculous. Dom isn't nearly enough at the SF spot. He can't score at all. Lawrence is almost 5 inches taller and will be a better scorer than Dom. I love Sir'Dom but he hasn't proven his ability to be neither a defensive stopper and he has little ability to impact on offense.
I understand Dave's point that he's maybe more of a 4/3 than a 3/4 but he's got a good handle and can do a better job at the 3 than anyone we have by far. I hope his handler isn't a big part of this any more. If she isn't, I think its SJU in a landslide. He's a better player than Manhattan caliber, and we have a ton of room for him to earn the SF spot outright.
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I know Massiello can recruit but is this kid really going to transfer to the MAAC without really ever getting a legit chance to prove himself at a higher level? With that being said, clearly he didn't assert himself last year and you have to say there are questions surrounding him. When I did watch Cincy last year I didn't see much out of him besides being a screener but based on lack of minutes the potential is there.
I would love to add a transfer and being home with a year off to work on his game and mature could be mutually beneficial. If Lav likes the vibe then go for it.
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@SammyAlbano: Hearing mutual intrst btween @mainestory & @StJohnsBBall. Kid saying family illness reason 4 transfer & will seek 4 immediate eligibility
Perfecto! That means 'perfect', translated into English... for those of you wondering.
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Not sure how much of a small forward he really is but would love to have him.
Doesn't need to be a SF. We will run a 3 guard lineup. A prototypical SF is not necessary.
But would be nice to not have to run the 3 guard offense which I believe has been driven more by limited offensive skills in the front line than having 3 very good guards...If we had a good frontline, I'd prefer to go 2 guard...
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Not sure how much of a small forward he really is but would love to have him.
Doesn't need to be a SF. We will run a 3 guard lineup. A prototypical SF is not necessary.
But would be nice to not have to run the 3 guard offense which I believe has been driven more by limited offensive skills in the front line than having 3 very good guards...If we had a good frontline, I'd prefer to go 2 guard...
Bingo. Lawrence akin to Deandre Daniels his first season. First year, Daniels looked like a bust. He is also more of a 4/3. I think Lawrence can have similar improvement.
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Not sure how much of a small forward he really is but would love to have him.
Doesn't need to be a SF. We will run a 3 guard lineup. A prototypical SF is not necessary.
But would be nice to not have to run the 3 guard offense which I believe has been driven more by limited offensive skills in the front line than having 3 very good guards...If we had a good frontline, I'd prefer to go 2 guard...
Many college teams go 3 guard. You don't need a prototypical SF in college ball like you do in the NBA. We have three, possibly even 4 above average guards on our roster. Dlo, Jordan, Branch, and Greene (Cue the Greene is not above average posts). Not to mention, I could see Balamou getting PT this season.
If we had a stud SF I would agree with you and say we should run a 2 guard lineup, but we don't, and Lawrence is a PF. If we get him, I don't think there will ever be a time he's playing at the 3. We simply don't have enough big men.
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Not sure how much of a small forward he really is but would love to have him.
Doesn't need to be a SF. We will run a 3 guard lineup. A prototypical SF is not necessary.
But would be nice to not have to run the 3 guard offense which I believe has been driven more by limited offensive skills in the front line than having 3 very good guards...If we had a good frontline, I'd prefer to go 2 guard...
Many college teams go 3 guard. You don't need a prototypical SF in college ball like you do in the NBA. We have three, possibly even 4 above average guards on our roster. Dlo, Jordan, Branch, and Greene (Cue the Greene is not above average posts). Not to mention, I could see Balamou getting PT this season.
If we had a stud SF I would agree with you and say we should run a 2 guard lineup, but we don't, and Lawrence is a PF. If we get him, I don't think there will ever be a time he's playing at the 3. We simply don't have enough big men.
Even without Lawrence, we have 5 guys for the 4/5 spots with Delarosa X2, Obekpa, Thomas and Jones. I believe most of Lawrence's time would come at the 3 spot. He's the closest thing to s 3 we'd have on the roster. We do have enough big men. What we don't have is any wing play. We can and certainly go 3-guards at times, but I certainly can see times when we could go with Jordan, Harrison, Lawrence, Thomas and Obekpa. We'd be super long.
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The irony is we had a plethora of long wings w Lavins first recruiting class and we had Pollee aboard. Now that is our thinnest position.
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Not sure how much of a small forward he really is but would love to have him.
Doesn't need to be a SF. We will run a 3 guard lineup. A prototypical SF is not necessary.
But would be nice to not have to run the 3 guard offense which I believe has been driven more by limited offensive skills in the front line than having 3 very good guards...If we had a good frontline, I'd prefer to go 2 guard...
Many college teams go 3 guard. You don't need a prototypical SF in college ball like you do in the NBA. We have three, possibly even 4 above average guards on our roster. Dlo, Jordan, Branch, and Greene (Cue the Greene is not above average posts). Not to mention, I could see Balamou getting PT this season.
If we had a stud SF I would agree with you and say we should run a 2 guard lineup, but we don't, and Lawrence is a PF. If we get him, I don't think there will ever be a time he's playing at the 3. We simply don't have enough big men.
Even without Lawrence, we have 5 guys for the 4/5 spots with Delarosa X2, Obekpa, Thomas and Jones. I believe most of Lawrence's time would come at the 3 spot. He's the closest thing to s 3 we'd have on the roster. We do have enough big men. What we don't have is any wing play. We can and certainly go 3-guards at times, but I certainly can see times when we could go with Jordan, Harrison, Lawrence, Thomas and Obekpa. We'd be super long.
Actually you are both wrong, at least partially, IMHO. 212-Lawrence fancies himself a 3 wanting to take 3s at least that was the write up out of HS, and MCN my friend you count 5 bigs but just because a player is on the roster doesn't mean he can or will play. Are you really counting on anything from Joey D who avg 1 pt in a low D1 school as a JR, Adonis who may not be ready to contribute anything positive right away and CJ who on his first go round proved allergic to rebounding. I do agree with MCN that Lawrence should play the 3 if we get him.
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Not sure how much of a small forward he really is but would love to have him.
Doesn't need to be a SF. We will run a 3 guard lineup. A prototypical SF is not necessary.
But would be nice to not have to run the 3 guard offense which I believe has been driven more by limited offensive skills in the front line than having 3 very good guards...If we had a good frontline, I'd prefer to go 2 guard...
Many college teams go 3 guard. You don't need a prototypical SF in college ball like you do in the NBA. We have three, possibly even 4 above average guards on our roster. Dlo, Jordan, Branch, and Greene (Cue the Greene is not above average posts). Not to mention, I could see Balamou getting PT this season.
If we had a stud SF I would agree with you and say we should run a 2 guard lineup, but we don't, and Lawrence is a PF. If we get him, I don't think there will ever be a time he's playing at the 3. We simply don't have enough big men.
Even without Lawrence, we have 5 guys for the 4/5 spots with Delarosa X2, Obekpa, Thomas and Jones. I believe most of Lawrence's time would come at the 3 spot. He's the closest thing to s 3 we'd have on the roster. We do have enough big men. What we don't have is any wing play. We can and certainly go 3-guards at times, but I certainly can see times when we could go with Jordan, Harrison, Lawrence, Thomas and Obekpa. We'd be super long.
Actually you are both wrong, at least partially, IMHO. 212-Lawrence fancies himself a 3 wanting to take 3s at least that was the write up out of HS, and MCN my friend you count 5 bigs but just because a player is on the roster doesn't mean he can or will play. Are you really counting on anything from Joey D who avg 1 pt in a low D1 school as a JR, Adonis who may not be ready to contribute anything positive right away and CJ who on his first go round proved allergic to rebounding. I do agree with MCN that Lawrence should play the 3 if we get him.
I don't really care if he "fancies himself a 3" or not. He's 6'9'' on a team with barely any big men who can score. Jakarr and Moe probably both fancied themselves 3's while they were here as well. I'm not disputing the fact that he could potentially play the three, just not on the team we will have next season. We don't have much choice but to go small. I'd much rather see a Obekpa/Lawrence/Dlo/Jordan/Branch lineup than any other.
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If Lawrence is added, perhaps A De La Rosa becomes a redshirt which would be the best possible scenario for him, Joey can take his token minutes in the second half of the year. Obekpa, Thomas, and Jones can man about 65 minutes a game between the three of them.
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Lawrence looked lost at times this year for Cincy. The Johnnies need him and his size and skill level but he definitely needs to take a step up from how he played last year or he'll just be a role player which is fine. Now Kimari Murphy, I saw him quite a few times on TV for OSU and he would be a legit pickup. He's about 6'7-6'8 but played very good strong post defense and athletic finisher in the best conference in the country this past season. He'd be an instant contributor.
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Lawrence looked lost at times this year for Cincy. The Johnnies need him and his size and skill level but he definitely needs to take a step up from how he played last year or he'll just be a role player which is fine. Now Kimari Murphy, I saw him quite a few times on TV for OSU and he would be a legit pickup. He's about 6'7-6'8 but played very good strong post defense and athletic finisher in the best conference in the country this past season. He'd be an instant contributor.
I agree. There's no guarantee that adding Lawrence will produce the top 25 recruit he once was. Dom was a top 25 recruit too. Sometimes the rankings are just plain wrong.
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@NYPost_Brazille: For those who have asked about Jermaine Lawrence, nothing to report. Has yet to receive release. Schools not allowed to contact him yet.
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@NYPost_Brazille: For those who have asked about Jermaine Lawrence, nothing to report. Has yet to receive release. Schools not allowed to contact him yet.
Zach is treating us to the merely obvious as opposed to the painfully obvious.
BTW-That has not stopped coaches from contacting his former high school coaches.
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@NYPost_Brazille: For those who have asked about Jermaine Lawrence, nothing to report. Has yet to receive release. Schools not allowed to contact him yet.
Wasn't Brazille saying that he was pretty sure Lawrence wasn't coming here, and now it's no one knows anything?
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I don't want a 6'9 PF that fancies himself as a three. I'm tired of that crap. Look where it got us last year. We won 20 games in spite of Sampson not because of him.
Give me Spider Mitchell at the three any day. Give me Thomas at the four over Lawrence, Sampson, Sanchez, and any other super athlete (and better basketball player) that doesn't understand what position he can make the biggest impact for his team.
Everyone wants to be Kevin Durant these days. What is so wrong with being a four? It's not like in football where the big guys get no stats and no recognition.
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I don't want a 6'9 PF that fancies himself as a three. I'm tired of that crap. Look where it got us last year. We won 20 games in spite of Sampson not because of him.
Give me Spider Mitchell at the three any day. Give me Thomas at the four over Lawrence, Sampson, Sanchez, and any other super athlete (and better basketball player) that doesn't understand what position he can make the biggest impact for his team.
Everyone wants to be Kevin Durant these days. What is so wrong with being a four? It's not like in football where the big guys get no stats and no recognition.
Mitchell is 2015. I wouldn't turn this kid down, but i agree with your premise. Help your team win.
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I don't want a 6'9 PF that fancies himself as a three. I'm tired of that crap. Look where it got us last year. We won 20 games in spite of Sampson not because of him.
Give me Spider Mitchell at the three any day. Give me Thomas at the four over Lawrence, Sampson, Sanchez, and any other super athlete (and better basketball player) that doesn't understand what position he can make the biggest impact for his team.
Everyone wants to be Kevin Durant these days. What is so wrong with being a four? It's not like in football where the big guys get no stats and no recognition.
Because it's all about the next level and getting paid. Most of these high D1 kids don;t give a rat's arse about college ball.
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I don't want a 6'9 PF that fancies himself as a three. I'm tired of that crap. Look where it got us last year. We won 20 games in spite of Sampson not because of him.
Give me Spider Mitchell at the three any day. Give me Thomas at the four over Lawrence, Sampson, Sanchez, and any other super athlete (and better basketball player) that doesn't understand what position he can make the biggest impact for his team.
Everyone wants to be Kevin Durant these days. What is so wrong with being a four? It's not like in football where the big guys get no stats and no recognition.
I agree with what you are saying, but Lawrence is a very talented local ball player. St. John's would be lucky to have him.
With Harrison, Greene IV, Pointer, and Branch graduating after next year, this team needs all the talent it can get. Even if Lavin was able to land a combination of Diallo, Briscoe, Sampson, and/or Govan (which is probably unlikely), this team needs players that can come in and log major minutes from day one.
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we just got a power forward who will have 2 maybe 3 years of eligibility so I'm totally fine with him wanting to play the 3 and the reality of it is that he will get time at the 4 also. So maybe he isn't a 4-3 but he can be a 3-4 and he should want that because the more versatility the better for him
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If he can dribble, shoot and defend the 3 spot then he's a 3, doesn't matter what his height is. Nothing wrong with a kid wanting to work on his game to get him to the next level. The whole purpose of any student attending college is to make it to the next level, athletes included.
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Definite interest on the part of SJU and Lawrence. Again "she" is a concern.
Father has cancer and that will be the justification if he applies for a waiver.
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Definite interest on the part of SJU and Lawrence. Again "she" is a concern.
Father has cancer and that will be the justification if he applies for a waiver.
If that's the case I can't imagine him not getting a waiver. All the best to his dad
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Imagine the "Sky is falling , non class of 2014" ends up being DeLaRosa, Thomas, and Jermaine Lawrence? LOL..
Why , personally, I never get too worked up about recruiting early on in the season.. Way too many variables..
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Imagine the "Sky is falling , non class of 2014" ends up being DeLaRosa, Thomas, and Jermaine Lawrence? LOL..
Why , personally, I never get too worked up about recruiting early on in the season.. Way too many variables..
That would shut quite a few posters up who were complaining about recruiting.
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No, it won't. Nothing will.
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No, it won't. Nothing will.
I don't have a problem with the on the court criticism's. It's the posters actually saying Lavin's recruiting ability should be questioned. We will always get recruits under Lavin. That is not the problem.
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No, it won't. Nothing will.
I don't have a problem with the on the court criticism's. It's the posters actually saying Lavin's recruiting ability should be questioned. We will always get recruits under Lavin. That is not the problem.
where the hell are the Mc D AA! He joins Norm in an inability to secure one
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He's a SF and we don't need a PF. He's got nice dribbling skills for a guy his size and the SF spot is wide open. I'd rather play with 6'9" Lawrence at the SF spot than 6'2" Harrison. I'm not a fan of the 3-guard stuff. Lawrence is mobile, has a good handle and is a 3/4 who has lots of potential. He isn't a gunner from the outside, but can hit them if given the chance. Big uograde over what we have there. Lawrence and Pointer at the SF spot and I think we have salvaged our roster imo. We'd have legit forwards and centers up front and a fantastic backcourt. Ready to roll...
Lawrence is more of a 4/3 where Harkless was more of a 3/4.
Also Manhattan recruited Lawrence hard. Was a bigger player in his recruitment than people know. I might have said it at one point in the thread.
Mot disagreeing but Manhattan is doubtful to be a factor here. Steve Mass on the sidelines will getting his class work finished and Matt Grady ( who I think is GREAT assistant) is not the guy that is going to close this deal for Manhattan. If the timing had been different, it might have gotten interesting with them.
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Definite interest on the part of SJU and Lawrence. Again "she" is a concern.
Father has cancer and that will be the justification if he applies for a waiver.
I believe this is the last year the NCAA will grant "hardship waivers" so kids/schools are going to do everything they can to get them pushed through.
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Definite interest on the part of SJU and Lawrence. Again "she" is a concern.
Father has cancer and that will be the justification if he applies for a waiver.
I believe this is the last year the NCAA will grant "hardship waivers" so kids/schools are going to do everything they can to get them pushed through.
Get er' done!
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Story on Lawrence beiong granted release:
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/university-of-cincinnati/2014/05/13/jermaine-lawrence-granted-release-from-uc/9034929/ (http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/university-of-cincinnati/2014/05/13/jermaine-lawrence-granted-release-from-uc/9034929/)
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No, it won't. Nothing will.
I don't have a problem with the on the court criticism's. It's the posters actually saying Lavin's recruiting ability should be questioned. We will always get recruits under Lavin. That is not the problem.
I see our recruiting for the 2014 class as a problem so far. But Jermaine Lawrence presents a unique oppertunity.
So far though, this is Lavin's worst recruiting class since he's been a head coach.
If he signs Diallo and Briscoe, then it will look like a small bump on an otherwise solid recruiting history. If we strike out on those two, it's time for concern.
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This Cincinnati blog thinks that it's all about JL wanting to play SF, and Cronin and staff telling him he's a power forward.
"The nub of the issue would appear to be about the position that Lawrence was playing for the Bearcats. In his heart of hearts it seems that Lawrence views himself as a small forward, and wants to play as a small forward. The staff sees him as a power forward and wants him to develop in that direction. It would appear that Jermaine is convinced that he is the next Kevin Durant, and will do his best to go somewhere that will let him try to be the next KD. That's ultimately what this is about."
http://www.downthedrive.com/2014/5/9/5701628/a-different-take-on-the-jermaine-lawrence-transfer (http://www.downthedrive.com/2014/5/9/5701628/a-different-take-on-the-jermaine-lawrence-transfer)
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The official statement from Cincinnati and Lawrence:
Lawrence to Leave UC
Rising sophomore Jermaine Lawrence has decided to leave UC and the men's basketball program.
Men's Basketball | May 13, 2014
Lawrence Game-By-Game Statistics
Rising sophomore forward Jermaine Lawrence (Springfield Gardens, N.Y./Pope John XXIII High School [N.J.]) has decided to leave the University of Cincinnati and the men's basketball program Bearcats head coach Mick Cronin has announced.
"I'm leaving UC because my father is ill," Lawrence said. "I want to be closer to him as well as be close enough where I can have him and my mom attend my games. We appreciate everyone's support."
Lawrence played in 26 games without a start, averaging 2.8 points and 2.9 rebounds in 15.1 minutes. He scored a season-high nine points against Kennesaw State on Nov. 29 and grabbed a season-best eight rebounds against NC State on Nov. 12. Lawrence missed eight games from Jan. 7 through Feb. 2 due to a toe injury.
"We have been praying for Jermaine's father and understand the situation," Cronin said. "We wish Jermaine all the best."
http://www.gobearcats.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/051314aad.html (http://www.gobearcats.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/051314aad.html)
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The official statement from Cincinnati and Lawrence:
Lawrence to Leave UC
Rising sophomore Jermaine Lawrence has decided to leave UC and the men's basketball program.
Men's Basketball | May 13, 2014
Lawrence Game-By-Game Statistics
Rising sophomore forward Jermaine Lawrence (Springfield Gardens, N.Y./Pope John XXIII High School [N.J.]) has decided to leave the University of Cincinnati and the men's basketball program Bearcats head coach Mick Cronin has announced.
"I'm leaving UC because my father is ill," Lawrence said. "I want to be closer to him as well as be close enough where I can have him and my mom attend my games. We appreciate everyone's support."
Lawrence played in 26 games without a start, averaging 2.8 points and 2.9 rebounds in 15.1 minutes. He scored a season-high nine points against Kennesaw State on Nov. 29 and grabbed a season-best eight rebounds against NC State on Nov. 12. Lawrence missed eight games from Jan. 7 through Feb. 2 due to a toe injury.
"We have been praying for Jermaine's father and understand the situation," Cronin said. "We wish Jermaine all the best."
http://www.gobearcats.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/051314aad.html (http://www.gobearcats.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/051314aad.html)
I would think we would have to be the favorites to land him at this point no?
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The official statement from Cincinnati and Lawrence:
Lawrence to Leave UC
Rising sophomore Jermaine Lawrence has decided to leave UC and the men's basketball program.
Men's Basketball | May 13, 2014
Lawrence Game-By-Game Statistics
Rising sophomore forward Jermaine Lawrence (Springfield Gardens, N.Y./Pope John XXIII High School [N.J.]) has decided to leave the University of Cincinnati and the men's basketball program Bearcats head coach Mick Cronin has announced.
"I'm leaving UC because my father is ill," Lawrence said. "I want to be closer to him as well as be close enough where I can have him and my mom attend my games. We appreciate everyone's support."
Lawrence played in 26 games without a start, averaging 2.8 points and 2.9 rebounds in 15.1 minutes. He scored a season-high nine points against Kennesaw State on Nov. 29 and grabbed a season-best eight rebounds against NC State on Nov. 12. Lawrence missed eight games from Jan. 7 through Feb. 2 due to a toe injury.
"We have been praying for Jermaine's father and understand the situation," Cronin said. "We wish Jermaine all the best."
http://www.gobearcats.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/051314aad.html (http://www.gobearcats.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/051314aad.html)
Glad it's official, now Lav can go get him!
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Fwiw;
@TheBBallDiary: Manhattan College is a potential landing spot for Jermaine Lawrence.
Still like our chances.
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Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille 1m
Steve Lavin and Hofstra's Speedy Claxton have reached out to Jermaine Lawrence camp per source, no visits set yet.
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No, it won't. Nothing will.
I don't have a problem with the on the court criticism's. It's the posters actually saying Lavin's recruiting ability should be questioned. We will always get recruits under Lavin. That is not the problem.
I see our recruiting for the 2014 class as a problem so far. But Jermaine Lawrence presents a unique oppertunity.
So far though, this is Lavin's worst recruiting class since he's been a head coach.
If he signs Diallo and Briscoe, then it will look like a small bump on an otherwise solid recruiting history. If we strike out on those two, it's time for concern.
Some reason I think staff new of this possibility (Lawrence transferring) for a while and may have contributed to their recruiting approach for the 2014 class. This Cincinnati blog thinks that it's all about JL wanting to play SF, and Cronin and staff telling him he's a power forward.
"The nub of the issue would appear to be about the position that Lawrence was playing for the Bearcats. In his heart of hearts it seems that Lawrence views himself as a small forward, and wants to play as a small forward. The staff sees him as a power forward and wants him to develop in that direction. It would appear that Jermaine is convinced that he is the next Kevin Durant, and will do his best to go somewhere that will let him try to be the next KD. That's ultimately what this is about."
http://www.downthedrive.com/2014/5/9/5701628/a-different-take-on-the-jermaine-lawrence-transfer (http://www.downthedrive.com/2014/5/9/5701628/a-different-take-on-the-jermaine-lawrence-transfer)
Good for the kid. If he's wants to develop the skills to play the 3 then he needs to play at a program that will allow that. He may be better suited for the 4 spot in college but his dream is to play at the next level and he needs to develop that skill set. We have plenty of minutes at the 3 spot. Sometimes these coaches are only looking out for their own interests. Didn't Mack Brown want Johnny football to play safty? It would be different if he didn't have the ability to play the position, but he clearly does.
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Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille 1m
Steve Lavin and Hofstra's Speedy Claxton have reached out to Jermaine Lawrence camp per source, no visits set yet.
Big fan of Speedy's, but NFW should we lose out to Hofstra.
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Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille 1m
Steve Lavin and Hofstra's Speedy Claxton have reached out to Jermaine Lawrence camp per source, no visits set yet.
LOL
Big fan of Speedy's, but NFW should we lose out to Hofstra.
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If he stays local, I don't think we lose him. If we don't get him, it is because we back off due to the same issues with the handler that apparently surfaced last time. I didn't fault coach for that last go-round, and won't do it again if this plays out that way.
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Watch out for Iona. ( hurts me to say it)
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Watch out for Iona. ( hurts me to say it)
Too late...Baldi already knocked him for being linked to St. John's. The basketball gods will never allow for such a reversal.
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Watch out for Iona. ( hurts me to say it)
Too late...Baldi already knocked him for being linked to St. John's. The basketball gods will never allow for such a reversal.
If the kid wants the rock, light it up, run like a mofo... He knows where it's at. Grasso is on him
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The thing I always wondered about in 13 was we had 0 scholis. Garrett left the team to make room for Jorden. If Lawrence would have popped for us then where was the extra scholi coming from? We don't have that problem now we have plenty. I can't understand why a 5 star recruit would want to play for a mid major. I think we get him.c
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The thing I always wondered about in 13 was we had 0 scholis. Garrett left the team to make room for Jorden. If Lawrence would have popped for us then where was the extra scholi coming from? We don't have that problem now we have plenty. I can't understand why a 5 star recruit would want to play for a mid major. I think we get him.c
Lawrence popped in the Fall of 2012. By the time Jordan committed in the spring of 2013 Lawrence was long gone.
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Watch out for Iona. ( hurts me to say it)
Too late...Baldi already knocked him for being linked to St. John's. The basketball gods will never allow for such a reversal.
If the kid wants the rock, light it up, run like a mofo... He knows where it's at. Grasso is on him
Fortunately for SJU, he wants to play for a program where he can be seen.
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Watch out for Iona. ( hurts me to say it)
They are all set. They just landed a transfer from powerhouse Longwood.
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FYI-Zach B has changed his tune a bit on Jermaine to SJU. Before it was seemingly a "no way" now he is saying:
Joseph @jcoggs17 · 26m
@NYPost_Brazille is sju going to get j lawerence
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille · 24m
@jcoggs17 maybe
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Moose just pointed out to me that Claxton at Hofstra is a "Special Assistant" not an AC. Thus he should not be reaching out to anyone. Probably bad info. Still feeling good about getting JL.
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Moose just pointed out to me that Claxton at Hofstra is a "Special Assistant" not an AC. Thus he should not be reaching out to anyone. Probably bad info. Still feeling good about getting JL.
Hey Paultz, are you Moose's spokesperson now? Is he living in Henry Hill's old house in the witness protection program these days?
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Moose just pointed out to me that Claxton at Hofstra is a "Special Assistant" not an AC. Thus he should not be reaching out to anyone. Probably bad info. Still feeling good about getting JL.
Hey Paultz, are you Moose's spokesperson now? Is he living in Henry Hill's old house in the witness protection program these days?
living in Silicon Valley after initiating hugely successful tech start up, "Doomed Enterprises".
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Watch out for Iona. ( hurts me to say it)
If he can play right away due to family illness, there is 0 % chance he chooses Iona or Manhattan. It wouldnt make sense. There isnt any other reason a 5 star top 30 guy chooses that level. If he is allowed to play immediately then no MAAC team has a shot. Minus that scenario Its really between SJU and SH. And i think the Johnnies would be the clear favorite between the two..........after all there are only so many coaches Willard can hire.
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Moose just pointed out to me that Claxton at Hofstra is a "Special Assistant" not an AC. Thus he should not be reaching out to anyone. Probably bad info. Still feeling good about getting JL.
I think Speedy probably has been at least temporarily "deputized" as a full time assistant considering Hofstra currently only has 2 full time assistants because they never replaced Kyle Neptune who left for Villanova shortly after following Mihalich from Niagara to Hofstra.
That is my guess. It is a common practice for recruiting purposes IF you are missing a "full time" assistant.
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Moose just pointed out to me that Claxton at Hofstra is a "Special Assistant" not an AC. Thus he should not be reaching out to anyone. Probably bad info. Still feeling good about getting JL.
I think Speedy probably has been at least temporarily "deputized" as a full time assistant considering Hofstra currently only has 2 full time assistants because they never replaced Kyle Neptune who left for Villanova shortly after following Mihalich from Niagara to Hofstra.
That is my guess. It is a common practice for recruiting purposes IF you are missing a "full time" assistant.
Makes sense.
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Watch out for Iona. ( hurts me to say it)
If he can play right away due to family illness, there is 0 % chance he chooses Iona or Manhattan. It wouldnt make sense. There isnt any other reason a 5 star top 30 guy chooses that level.
maybe it's another factor. If he like Big ugly girls then Iona might be a lock
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The problem with Iona or Manhattan is that he can put up sick numbers and they get discounted at the next level because of the level of comp. But if Mas or Cluess don't care about the whole handler issue everyone talks about, and he wants to be home, then who knows.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Cincinnati transfer Jermaine Lawrence of Queens will visit Hofstra Wednesday, per source. Assistant Speedy Claxton reached out today.
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The thing I always wondered about in 13 was we had 0 scholis. Garrett left the team to make room for Jorden. If Lawrence would have popped for us then where was the extra scholi coming from? We don't have that problem now we have plenty. I can't understand why a 5 star recruit would want to play for a mid major. I think we get him.c
Lawrence popped in the Fall of 2012. By the time Jordan committed in the spring of 2013 Lawrence was long gone.
Was closer to March when he commited to cincy
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Baldi stop trolling....there I said it.
Everyone else stop feeding the troll
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The thing I always wondered about in 13 was we had 0 scholis. Garrett left the team to make room for Jorden. If Lawrence would have popped for us then where was the extra scholi coming from? We don't have that problem now we have plenty. I can't understand why a 5 star recruit would want to play for a mid major. I think we get him.c
Lawrence popped in the Fall of 2012. By the time Jordan committed in the spring of 2013 Lawrence was long gone.
Was closer to March when he commited to cincy
Stand corrected it was February.
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Insiders, any idea of when he's going to be on campus?
While with Naclerio, I used to see Jermaine in Carnesecca more than most season ticket holders.
If we can pair him with Dom, we'd be 2 deep at every position. Much like last year, only this year's team will have a greater sense of passion, tenacity, and urgency. Especially out the gate, I wouldn't expect any Bucknell or Monmouth nail biters with this roster.
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The thing I always wondered about in 13 was we had 0 scholis. Garrett left the team to make room for Jorden. If Lawrence would have popped for us then where was the extra scholi coming from? We don't have that problem now we have plenty. I can't understand why a 5 star recruit would want to play for a mid major. I think we get him.c
Lawrence popped in the Fall of 2012. By the time Jordan committed in the spring of 2013 Lawrence was long gone.
Was closer to March when he commited to cincy
Stand corrected it was February.
. I was wandering if Lavin knew he had Jorden locked up and the scholi situation caused us to back off. Nevertheless, I think he becomes a Johnny.
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Insiders, any idea of when he's going to be on campus?
While with Naclerio, I used to see Jermaine in Carnesecca more than most season ticket holders.
If we can pair him with Dom, we'd be 2 deep at every position. Much like last year, only this year's team will have a greater sense of passion, tenacity, and urgency. Especially out the gate, I wouldn't expect any Bucknell or Monmouth nail biters with this roster.
Rawdognyc on sju said a family member told him it's sju and should be done within 2 weeks. Let's hope he is right.
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He's visiting Hofstra? Maybe he's a lot closer to the 2 point per game guy we saw last year than the top 25 kid out of Cardozo?
Not everyone can be Duane Causewell.
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He's visiting Hofstra? Maybe he's a lot closer to the 2 point per game guy we saw last year than the top 25 kid out of Cardozo?
Not everyone can be Duane Causewell.
Lawrence IMO is not a power player, but may get stronger. He wants to play SF. If you recall, in his last AAU season, he was taking a ton of threes. Not saying too much of that is a good thing, but having a decent shooter at small forward with his length is potentially a positive. He just needs to get more aggressive, stronger & work hard.
I personally believe his advisor will take her time & visit some local schools over next few weeks. She seems to be a control freak & enjoys spotlight. At the end of the day I think we obviously offer much better exposure for JL, but expect her to leverage situation for maximum benefit. The advisor will be a pain to deal with in all probability, but I would still gladly take JL.
Btw, Lavin's positive relationship with the Lawrence family can't hurt either.
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Maven not a huge fan of the handler either..
Adam Zagoria @AdamZagoria 55m
Jermaine Lawrence to Receive Release from Cincinnati http://zagsblog.com/articles/jermaine-lawrence-to-receive-release-from-cincinnati/ (http://zagsblog.com/articles/jermaine-lawrence-to-receive-release-from-cincinnati/) …
Sammy Albano @SammyAlbano Protected Tweets 36m
@AdamZagoria -@mainestory should receive release from his #kissofdeath, round in the middle lady, novice handler #VanessaHar-grave,erHargrove
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Anyone know how this woman has such an influence over him - appears to be stronger than the kids family
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Moose just pointed out to me that Claxton at Hofstra is a "Special Assistant" not an AC. Thus he should not be reaching out to anyone. Probably bad info. Still feeling good about getting JL.
I think Speedy probably has been at least temporarily "deputized" as a full time assistant considering Hofstra currently only has 2 full time assistants because they never replaced Kyle Neptune who left for Villanova shortly after following Mihalich from Niagara to Hofstra.
That is my guess. It is a common practice for recruiting purposes IF you are missing a "full time" assistant.
Can you do that anymore..?
I know you now have to take a "recruiting test" from the NCAA to go out on the road. It's is nothing super difficult but you still have to go through some training and pass the exam.
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Moose just pointed out to me that Claxton at Hofstra is a "Special Assistant" not an AC. Thus he should not be reaching out to anyone. Probably bad info. Still feeling good about getting JL.
I think Speedy probably has been at least temporarily "deputized" as a full time assistant considering Hofstra currently only has 2 full time assistants because they never replaced Kyle Neptune who left for Villanova shortly after following Mihalich from Niagara to Hofstra.
That is my guess. It is a common practice for recruiting purposes IF you are missing a "full time" assistant.
Can you do that anymore..?
I know you now have to take a "recruiting test" from the NCAA to go out on the road. It's is nothing super difficult but you still have to go through some training and pass the exam.
It’s a compliance test. Again you can only do it as a “replacement.”
As far as I know they can do it.
Also perhaps Speedy is the 3rd full assistant they just have not formally announced it and updated the website.
That could be the case as well.
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Moose just pointed out to me that Claxton at Hofstra is a "Special Assistant" not an AC. Thus he should not be reaching out to anyone. Probably bad info. Still feeling good about getting JL.
I think Speedy probably has been at least temporarily "deputized" as a full time assistant considering Hofstra currently only has 2 full time assistants because they never replaced Kyle Neptune who left for Villanova shortly after following Mihalich from Niagara to Hofstra.
That is my guess. It is a common practice for recruiting purposes IF you are missing a "full time" assistant.
Can you do that anymore..?
I know you now have to take a "recruiting test" from the NCAA to go out on the road. It's is nothing super difficult but you still have to go through some training and pass the exam.
It’s a compliance test. Again you can only do it as a “replacement.”
As far as I know they can do it.
Also perhaps Speedy is the 3rd full assistant they just have not formally announced it and updated the website.
That could be the case as well.
Lets not forget Wrobel was out on the road two summers ago after Dunlap left
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Moose just pointed out to me that Claxton at Hofstra is a "Special Assistant" not an AC. Thus he should not be reaching out to anyone. Probably bad info. Still feeling good about getting JL.
I think Speedy probably has been at least temporarily "deputized" as a full time assistant considering Hofstra currently only has 2 full time assistants because they never replaced Kyle Neptune who left for Villanova shortly after following Mihalich from Niagara to Hofstra.
That is my guess. It is a common practice for recruiting purposes IF you are missing a "full time" assistant.
Can you do that anymore..?
I know you now have to take a "recruiting test" from the NCAA to go out on the road. It's is nothing super difficult but you still have to go through some training and pass the exam.
It’s a compliance test. Again you can only do it as a “replacement.”
As far as I know they can do it.
Also perhaps Speedy is the 3rd full assistant they just have not formally announced it and updated the website.
That could be the case as well.
Lets not forget Wrobel was out on the road two summers ago after Dunlap left
Correct and Boeheim two years ago decided to not go out for the July period. So he made his DOBO a temporary 4th assistant.
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If Lawrence were to sign with SJU, and I realize that isn't an absolute given yet, but if he did, what do you think the starting lineup would look like?
Jordan, Harrison, Lawrence, Thomas, Obekpa ?
I think that would be my choice. But I never underestimate Lav's love for Phil. Plus, if Christian Jones is as ready to breakout as some think, then I could see him finding a way into the starting lineup as well.
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If Lawrence were to sign with SJU, and I realize that isn't an absolute given yet, but if he did, what do you think the starting lineup would look like?
Jordan, Harrison, Lawrence, Thomas, Obekpa ?
I think that would be my choice. But I never underestimate Lav's love for Phil. Plus, if Christian Jones is as ready to breakout as some think, then I could see him finding a way into the starting lineup as well.
I'm not sure he would start ahead of dom. I think it comes down who wins the battle at practice.
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If Lawrence were to sign with SJU, and I realize that isn't an absolute given yet, but if he did, what do you think the starting lineup would look like?
Jordan, Harrison, Lawrence, Thomas, Obekpa ?
I think that would be my choice. But I never underestimate Lav's love for Phil. Plus, if Christian Jones is as ready to breakout as some think, then I could see him finding a way into the starting lineup as well.
You’re assuming he is going to get the waiver. Never assume.
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If Lawrence were to sign with SJU, and I realize that isn't an absolute given yet, but if he did, what do you think the starting lineup would look like?
Jordan, Harrison, Lawrence, Thomas, Obekpa ?
I think that would be my choice. But I never underestimate Lav's love for Phil. Plus, if Christian Jones is as ready to breakout as some think, then I could see him finding a way into the starting lineup as well.
It would be an interesting question. So many variables, Lav loves phil, does JL get promised a spot at the 3?. Does Jones deserve it for redshirting? Maybe Obekpa wants to come off the bench again?
I would say Rysheed, Dlo, Lawerence, Jones, Obekpa.
That leaves a big bench though with Branch, Phil, Dom, Felix, Thomas, Delarosa. Like some have said I wouldn't be surprised if we red-shirted someone. Delerosa would be an obvious option, any of the other guards off the bench perhaps? Me and you might be the two biggest branch supporters desco, and I want him to receive big minutes next year. But with that roster and lavin it wouldn't seem likely. I wouldn't hate him staying on an extra year and running the show as a 5th year senior, hopefully with briscoe as his running mate. The big negative would be we wouldnt have a backup pg this year.
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Branch, Jordan,Harrison, Lawrence, Obekpa would be my 5
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If Lawrence were to sign with SJU, and I realize that isn't an absolute given yet, but if he did, what do you think the starting lineup would look like?
Jordan, Harrison, Lawrence, Thomas, Obekpa ?
I think that would be my choice. But I never underestimate Lav's love for Phil. Plus, if Christian Jones is as ready to breakout as some think, then I could see him finding a way into the starting lineup as well.
You’re assuming he is going to get the waiver. Never assume.
Fair enough. I'm making two assumptions; that we land Lawrence, and he's immediately eligible.
I don't know what to expect from Thomas. It may be presumptuous to assume he's a starter.
And Gman is right, Dom is a senior. He'll be in play for a starting role.
And I agree with Mase and Baldi, I'd love to see Branch start, but Lavin has never had that much faith in him it seems.
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Branch, Jordan,Harrison, Lawrence, Obekpa would be my 5
How could Lawrence be in our lineup if hes going to Iona? LOL
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I think Dom will be redshirted.
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Any inside info on if he's coming here?
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I think Dom will be redshirted.
Really? I think ADR is more likely.
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I think Dom will be redshirted.
You think he will or you want him to be?
I think it will be most beneficial to the program if he redshirted, but I don't think he will.
He's been playing big minutes since he was a freshman. He's not going to all of a sudden redshirt his senior year, unless he's hurt.
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Adam Zagoria @AdamZagoria · 41m
Seton Hall will not pursue Cincinnati transfer @mainestory , source tells @SNYtv . He's visiting Hofstra today.
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Any inside info on if he's coming here?
As I wrote a few pages pages back, two coaches who know the kid told me they will be astonished if he doesn't end up at St. john's.
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I don't care what position he plays as long as he can rebound.
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He needs to prove he can stay healthy as well. I believe he's missed significant time in 2 straight seasons (Sr. yr in HS/Frosh in college). That means his junior year was his last healthy year. Hopefully he can do that this year. Is he more of a 3 or 4?
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If Lawrence were to sign with SJU, and I realize that isn't an absolute given yet, but if he did, what do you think the starting lineup would look like?
Jordan, Harrison, Lawrence, Thomas, Obekpa ?
I think that would be my choice. But I never underestimate Lav's love for Phil. Plus, if Christian Jones is as ready to breakout as some think, then I could see him finding a way into the starting lineup as well.
I'm not sure he would start ahead of dom. I think it comes down who wins the battle at practice.
Skillwise, If he couldn't beat out Dom, we don't need him. I realize Coach likes to play with lineups and can be loyal to a fault, but Sir Dom should not be a starter on this team, even if we go to a 3 guard lineup. For once let's put out a big boy lineup of players who sizewise and skillwise actually fit their positions :
6'4"
6'3"
6"9"
6'8"
6'9"
Doesn't that look good.
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Branch, Jordan,Harrison, Lawrence, Obekpa would be my 5
How could Lawrence be in our lineup if hes going to Iona? LOL
The question was, should Lawrence go to St Johns. Try to follow along. Its not rocket science
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Branch, Jordan,Harrison, Lawrence, Obekpa would be my 5
How could Lawrence be in our lineup if hes going to Iona? LOL
The question was, should Lawrence go to St Johns. Try to follow along. Its not rocket science
It's a no-brainer he should go to St. John's. Its where he should have gone from the start. He can play the 3 here until he proves he can't or we land somebody more capable which I don't see until at least 2 years until he's at least a junior or senior here. Big East competition still quite a bit better than MAAC and the kid already has a good relationship with staff. Now need to get it done.
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(http://i.imgur.com/1HbV6GB.png)
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Starting Five...
Jordan
D'Lo
Thomas
JLaw
Green/Branch/Dom. The only walk-on even considered is Stewart. Lavin will play with this position. You need Thomas to sweep the boards. Also off the bench are Obekpa, Jones and the DLR brothers.
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Jordan, Harrison, Lawrence, Thomas, Obekpa ?
I think that would be my choice. But I never underestimate Lav's love for Phil. Plus, if Christian Jones is as ready to breakout as some think, then I could see him finding a way into the starting lineup as well.
Not sure Lavin is that in love with Phil. Phil wasn't starting at the begining of the season. Phil earned it by default.
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(http://i.imgur.com/1HbV6GB.png)
Wingate repeats the same thing:
Lawrence took a visit to Hofstra University on Wednesday. According to reliable sources, Lawrence plans to visit three other local frontrunners which include St. John's, Iona and Manhattan before making a final decision on which school he will transfer too.
https://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1641275#
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Marco the Lol means I'm kidding. Try to follow along it's not rocket science. However I can't see us loosing out to Iona,Manhattan or Hofstra. But stranger things have happened.
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Jordan, Harrison, Lawrence, Thomas, Obekpa ?
I think that would be my choice. But I never underestimate Lav's love for Phil. Plus, if Christian Jones is as ready to breakout as some think, then I could see him finding a way into the starting lineup as well.
Not sure Lavin is that in love with Phil. Phil wasn't starting at the begining of the season. Phil earned it by default.
Phil was the starter from day 1. He started the Wisconsin game.
Lavin loves him. Branch shouldve been given that opportunity. He was brought in to be the starting pg, but was never put in that role.
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Starting Five...
Jordan
D'Lo
Thomas
JLaw
Green/Branch/Dom. The only walk-on even considered is Stewart. Lavin will play with this position. You need Thomas to sweep the boards. Also off the bench are Obekpa, Jones and the DLR brothers.
1) no walkon starters. We saw enough of that.
2) I imagine Obekpa will be on the next flight to France or signing a contract with the Erie Bayhawks if coach goes with that lineup.
Also, our best lineup includes him at center. I'd be shocked if he didn't start.
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Being honest, I'm nervous about our chances with Lawrence. Why is Hofstra the first stop? Why are 2 MAC schools and only one BE school on his short list? He was a top 25 ranked recruit this time last year. Maybe his time at Cincy rattled his confidence and he's looking to play lesser competition to to showcase his talents? Just saying, something doesn't feel right about this. Really hope I'm wrong.
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Jordan, Harrison, Lawrence, Thomas, Obekpa ?
I think that would be my choice. But I never underestimate Lav's love for Phil. Plus, if Christian Jones is as ready to breakout as some think, then I could see him finding a way into the starting lineup as well.
Not sure Lavin is that in love with Phil. Phil wasn't starting at the begining of the season. Phil earned it by default.
Phil was the starter from day 1. He started the Wisconsin game.
Lavin loves him. Branch shouldve been given that opportunity. He was brought in to be the starting pg, but was never put in that role.
Lavin loves Phil, but Branch was the starter for the opener. He didnt play great against Wisconsin and lavin gave up on him.
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Being honest, I'm nervous about our chances with Lawrence. Why is Hofstra the first stop? Why are 2 MAC schools and only one BE school on his short list? He was a top 25 ranked recruit this time last year. Maybe his time at Cincy rattled his confidence and he's looking to play lesser competition to to showcase his talents? Just saying, something doesn't feel right about this. Really hope I'm wrong.
Those schools have something in common geographically.
"I'm leaving UC because my father is ill," Lawrence said in a UC release. "I want to be closer to him as well as be close enough where I can have him and my mom attend my games. We appreciate everyone's support."
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/university-of-cincinnati/2014/05/13/jermaine-lawrence-granted-release-from-uc/9034929/ (http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/university-of-cincinnati/2014/05/13/jermaine-lawrence-granted-release-from-uc/9034929/)
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Being honest, I'm nervous about our chances with Lawrence. Why is Hofstra the first stop? Why are 2 MAC schools and only one BE school on his short list? He was a top 25 ranked recruit this time last year. Maybe his time at Cincy rattled his confidence and he's looking to play lesser competition to to showcase his talents? Just saying, something doesn't feel right about this. Really hope I'm wrong.
As was pointed out, he made clear he wants to transfer back to the NY area to be close to his ailing father plus there is no way he would get a waiver if he transferred anywhere else but the area. Right off the bat that eliminates 99% of D-1 colleges in the country.
So then take it from that point. You have 3 BE/Big 10 schools in the area. Rutgers has done absolutely NOTHING for about 2 decades and will be permanently stuck at the bottom of the Big 10 for the next 3-4 years at least. SHU has a nice class but they have gone now 8 straight years with missing the NCAA's and are mostly irrelevant. We know about SJU. Manhattan and Iona are the best mid-major/small major programs in the area BY A COUNTRY MILE. They will dominate the MAAC for the next decade together assuming they keep the good coaches. Throw Hofstra in as they have potential to be good soon.
Again if you are going to transfer to the NY area and you want to be part of a winner at a decent to high level take a look, there are not that many choices if much at all???
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Being honest, I'm nervous about our chances with Lawrence. Why is Hofstra the first stop? Why are 2 MAC schools and only one BE school on his short list? He was a top 25 ranked recruit this time last year. Maybe his time at Cincy rattled his confidence and he's looking to play lesser competition to to showcase his talents? Just saying, something doesn't feel right about this. Really hope I'm wrong.
Those schools have something in common geographically.
"I'm leaving UC because my father is ill," Lawrence said in a UC release. "I want to be closer to him as well as be close enough where I can have him and my mom attend my games. We appreciate everyone's support."
http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/university-of-cincinnati/2014/05/13/jermaine-lawrence-granted-release-from-uc/9034929/ (http://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/university-of-cincinnati/2014/05/13/jermaine-lawrence-granted-release-from-uc/9034929/)
I get that, but so does LIU, St. Francis, and a bunch of other schools that most of us would say are not worthy of a kid with Lawrence's potential. Yet, he is entertaining the idea of playing at schools he probably never considered last year as a stud recruit.
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Manhattan and Iona are light years better then those programs. Plus Manhattan and Iona have a recent history of getting local high major kids to transfer back to the area. Pankey, Momo Jones etc.
It is actually pretty obvious what schools he would end up considering.
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Jordan, Harrison, Lawrence, Thomas, Obekpa ?
I think that would be my choice. But I never underestimate Lav's love for Phil. Plus, if Christian Jones is as ready to breakout as some think, then I could see him finding a way into the starting lineup as well.
Not sure Lavin is that in love with Phil. Phil wasn't starting at the begining of the season. Phil earned it by default.
Phil was the starter from day 1. He started the Wisconsin game.
Lavin loves him. Branch shouldve been given that opportunity. He was brought in to be the starting pg, but was never put in that role.
Lavin loves Phil, but Branch was the starter for the opener. He didnt play great against Wisconsin and lavin gave up on him.
Braintrust, I apologize. You're both correct.
I was looking at the espn box score to refresh my memory, and it says Greene started, but that's wrong. He didn't.
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Jordan, Harrison, Lawrence, Thomas, Obekpa ?
I think that would be my choice. But I never underestimate Lav's love for Phil. Plus, if Christian Jones is as ready to breakout as some think, then I could see him finding a way into the starting lineup as well.
Not sure Lavin is that in love with Phil. Phil wasn't starting at the begining of the season. Phil earned it by default.
Phil was the starter from day 1. He started the Wisconsin game.
Lavin loves him. Branch shouldve been given that opportunity. He was brought in to be the starting pg, but was never put in that role.
Branch was given the opportunity and he ended up on the bench. He played badly early on. IDK why. Makes zero sense.
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Manhattan and Iona are light years better then those programs. Plus Manhattan and Iona have a recent history of getting local high major kids to transfer back to the area. Pankey, Momo Jones etc.
It is actually pretty obvious what schools he would end up considering.
Manhattan and Iona aren't light years ahead of an LIU team that had played in March more than either team has recently. Next year, is a different story. We'll see.
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Back around 1980-81 SJU and iona were in a battle for a very highly rated local recruit, 6'8 F Gary Springer. Remember being shocked when he picked Iona. Let's hope history doesn't repeat itself and we can land JL who could turn out to be exactly what we need.
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Manhattan doesn't have a scholarship available, but I'm sure they would find 1. Hofstra sucks altogether. That leaves St. Johns and Iona.
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If I were Lavs I would simply show him each team's schedule next year.
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Manhattan and Iona are light years better then those programs. Plus Manhattan and Iona have a recent history of getting local high major kids to transfer back to the area. Pankey, Momo Jones etc.
It is actually pretty obvious what schools he would end up considering.
Manhattan and Iona aren't light years ahead of an LIU team that had played in March more than either team has recently. Next year, is a different story. We'll see.
Rasheen Davis, AC of Manhattan, is never to be disregarded in my opinion. Still confident we get him though.
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Manhattan and Iona are light years better then those programs. Plus Manhattan and Iona have a recent history of getting local high major kids to transfer back to the area. Pankey, Momo Jones etc.
It is actually pretty obvious what schools he would end up considering.
Manhattan and Iona aren't light years ahead of an LIU team that had played in March more than either team has recently. Next year, is a different story. We'll see.
Right now they are especially with buzz in the coaching. Cluess and Masiello are considered real comers.
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Manhattan and Iona are light years better then those programs. Plus Manhattan and Iona have a recent history of getting local high major kids to transfer back to the area. Pankey, Momo Jones etc.
It is actually pretty obvious what schools he would end up considering.
Good points. However, Momo wanted to be here but couldn't because of Hicks' presence.
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Lets face it, the only way Lawrence is not here is if this so-called handler becomes unbearable again.
Hope the kid has matured a bit and this time around does what is best for himself, which we all know would be playing small forward for St. John's alongside Obekpa and Thomas
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Manhattan and Iona are light years better then those programs. Plus Manhattan and Iona have a recent history of getting local high major kids to transfer back to the area. Pankey, Momo Jones etc.
It is actually pretty obvious what schools he would end up considering.
Good points. However, Momo wanted to be here but couldn't because of Hicks' presence.
Agreed but he could have gone to Seton Hall (he visited there before he chose Iona). Yet he still chose Iona.
Again my overall point (not necessarily to Poison but to many who are questioning why SJU is recruiting against the likes of Manhattan, Iona and Hofstra) is after SJU it is real slim pickings in terms of high majors in the NY area worth transferring to especially when you have expectations to play on the next level like Lawrence does. So Iona and Manhattan become at least on the surface reasonable options after SJU considering where they are now and what they project to be in the immediate future and considering their recent success with high major transfers. But considering SJU’s relationship with Lawrence already and what they are poised to do in the next few years I think SJU becomes a logical choice.
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Zags reporting he is set to visit this weekend. So my guess is Iona today, Manhattan tomorrow and SJU this weekend and then a decision.
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Manhattan and Iona are light years better then those programs. Plus Manhattan and Iona have a recent history of getting local high major kids to transfer back to the area. Pankey, Momo Jones etc.
It is actually pretty obvious what schools he would end up considering.
Good points. However, Momo wanted to be here but couldn't because of Hicks' presence.
Agreed but he could have gone to Seton Hall (he visited there before he chose Iona). Yet he still chose Iona.
Again my overall point (not necessarily to Poison but to many who are questioning why SJU is recruiting against the likes of Manhattan, Iona and Hofstra) is after SJU it is real slim pickings in terms of high majors in the NY area worth transferring to especially when you have expectations to play on the next level like Lawrence does. So Iona and Manhattan become at least on the surface reasonable options after SJU considering where they are now and what they project to be in the immediate future and considering their recent success with high major transfers. But considering SJU’s relationship with Lawrence already and what they are poised to do in the next few years I think SJU becomes a logical choice.
Agree
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@NYPost_Brazille: Cincinnati transfer Jermaine Lawrence at Iona at the moment for second visit. Nothing set as of yet with St. John's and Manhattan.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Cincinnati transfer Jermaine Lawrence at Iona at the moment for second visit. Nothing set as of yet with St. John's and Manhattan.
Well, given that it is illogical for Lawerence to go anywhere but SJU, he must be just visiting a friend who goes there....
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Zags now reporting that he will visit SJU just not certain of the date, this weekend or next.
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Manhattan and Iona are light years better then those programs. Plus Manhattan and Iona have a recent history of getting local high major kids to transfer back to the area. Pankey, Momo Jones etc.
It is actually pretty obvious what schools he would end up considering.
Good points. However, Momo wanted to be here but couldn't because of Hicks' presence.
Agreed but he could have gone to Seton Hall (he visited there before he chose Iona). Yet he still chose Iona.
SHU passed on Momo - lets just say they were not willing to give on certain requests from the young man
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Manhattan and Iona are light years better then those programs. Plus Manhattan and Iona have a recent history of getting local high major kids to transfer back to the area. Pankey, Momo Jones etc.
It is actually pretty obvious what schools he would end up considering.
Good points. However, Momo wanted to be here but couldn't because of Hicks' presence.
Agreed but he could have gone to Seton Hall (he visited there before he chose Iona). Yet he still chose Iona.
SHU passed on Momo - lets just say they were not willing to give on certain requests from the young man
That’s not what I heard. Mr. Player was not going to have him go there.
And anyone who takes Tiny in exchange for a player’s services is willing to do just about anything to get a player.
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Manhattan and Iona are light years better then those programs. Plus Manhattan and Iona have a recent history of getting local high major kids to transfer back to the area. Pankey, Momo Jones etc.
It is actually pretty obvious what schools he would end up considering.
Good points. However, Momo wanted to be here but couldn't because of Hicks' presence.
Momo was a tough loss, we would have been much better w him. We needed a pg and more players ,he was very good and experienced.
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Manhattan and Iona are light years better then those programs. Plus Manhattan and Iona have a recent history of getting local high major kids to transfer back to the area. Pankey, Momo Jones etc.
It is actually pretty obvious what schools he would end up considering.
Good points. However, Momo wanted to be here but couldn't because of Hicks' presence.
Agreed but he could have gone to Seton Hall (he visited there before he chose Iona). Yet he still chose Iona.
SHU passed on Momo - lets just say they were not willing to give on certain requests from the young man
He would have been best player on the team. So a tiny MAAC school granted his requests?
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Manhattan and Iona are light years better then those programs. Plus Manhattan and Iona have a recent history of getting local high major kids to transfer back to the area. Pankey, Momo Jones etc.
It is actually pretty obvious what schools he would end up considering.
Good points. However, Momo wanted to be here but couldn't because of Hicks' presence.
Agreed but he could have gone to Seton Hall (he visited there before he chose Iona). Yet he still chose Iona.
SHU passed on Momo - lets just say they were not willing to give on certain requests from the young man
He would have been best player on the team. So a tiny MAAC school granted his requests?
Yes, the tiny low mid-major won out in a David v. Goliath battle. :coolsmiley:
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@NYPost_Brazille: Cincinnati transfer Jermaine Lawrence down to Iona, Hofstra and Manhattan. St. John's is out, per source. #sjubb
Oh well
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@NYPost_Brazille: Cincinnati transfer Jermaine Lawrence down to Iona, Hofstra and Manhattan. St. John's is out, per source. #sjubb
Oh well
stunned
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WOW!
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I guess Baldi doing body shots was enough for him to knock us out.
Damn whichever of those schools that gets him kudos to them.
#$%^ing Wow
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Wow. Looks like we didn't want to play ball. Not sure anything else makes sense at this point.
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Wow. Looks like we didn't want to play ball. Not sure anything else makes sense at this point.
that's the only thing I can think of since he isn't even visiting campus. Something must have happened
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Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille 15m
Both sides agreed it wasn't the right fit, between Jermaine Lawrence and St. John's. #sjubb
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Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille 15m
Both sides agreed it wasn't the right fit, between Jermaine Lawrence and St. John's. #sjubb
then that definitely sounds like the advisor
Well he can get plenty of exposure on the cable vision bronx 12 channel I guess
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Unreal
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I imagine a certain Mr. Albano will have some pointed tweets.
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I imagine a certain Mr. Albano will have some pointed tweets.
Oh he will have a field day.
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Not all that shocked. Never bought into it was a lock, nor did I think he was a must get.
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Maybe he just wanted to play in the NCAA tournament which is something St. John's hasn't done in how many years?
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Imagine the "Sky is falling , non class of 2014" ends up being DeLaRosa, Thomas, and Jermaine Lawrence? LOL..
Why , personally, I never get too worked up about recruiting early on in the season.. Way too many variables..
That would shut quite a few posters up who were complaining about recruiting.
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Maybe he just wanted to play in the NCAA tournament which is something St. John's hasn't done in how many years?
Then how is Hofstra on the list still? That was not it.
I applaud the staff for passing on potential culture problems (tiny included), but we are absolutely banking on 2-3 huge recruits in '15. Not where this program should be right now
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Imagine the "Sky is falling , non class of 2014" ends up being DeLaRosa, Thomas, and Jermaine Lawrence? LOL..
Why , personally, I never get too worked up about recruiting early on in the season.. Way too many variables..
That would shut quite a few posters up who were complaining about recruiting.
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"Would"
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I think its unreal that this kids handler would steer him this way.
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Being honest, I'm nervous about our chances with Lawrence. Why is Hofstra the first stop? Why are 2 MAC schools and only one BE school on his short list? He was a top 25 ranked recruit this time last year. Maybe his time at Cincy rattled his confidence and he's looking to play lesser competition to to showcase his talents? Just saying, something doesn't feel right about this. Really hope I'm wrong.
Crap. SJU was the logical choice. Too bad Lawrence didn't take logic while at Cincy.
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Imagine the "Sky is falling , non class of 2014" ends up being DeLaRosa, Thomas, and Jermaine Lawrence? LOL..
Why , personally, I never get too worked up about recruiting early on in the season.. Way too many variables..
That would shut quite a few posters up who were complaining about recruiting.
+ fun
"Would"
Right, would. If everything would have turned out like the hallucinatory visions you see through your rose colored 3d Lavin specs, that would have shut quite a few people up, because they would have been wrong in wondering why we have such a lousy recruiting class coming in, and you would have been right, and no doubt you would have been gloating about being so. Except it turns out that the ones wondering were wondering for good reason, because your recruiting class savior who would have shut quite a few people up would rather play in the MAAC than in Lavinwould. Who will this turn of events shut up I wonder.
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Imagine the "Sky is falling , non class of 2014" ends up being DeLaRosa, Thomas, and Jermaine Lawrence? LOL..
Why , personally, I never get too worked up about recruiting early on in the season.. Way too many variables..
That would shut quite a few posters up who were complaining about recruiting.
+ fun
"Would"
Right, would. If everything would have turned out like the hallucinatory visions you see through your rose colored 3d Lavin specs, that would have shut quite a few people up, because they would have been wrong in wondering why we have such a lousy recruiting class coming in, and you would have been right, and no doubt you would have been gloating about being so. Except it turns out that the ones wondering were wondering for good reason, because your recruiting class savior who would have shut quite a few people up would rather play in the MAAC than in Lavinwould. Who will this turn of events shut up I wonder.
I don't think this class is done. But even if it is, I think next year should be fun. Getting Lawrence was irrelevant to proving my point about Lavin's recruiting because he's proven his skills in that area time and again. It just "would" have been funny if after all this complaining he ended up with a top 25 recruit.
Must suck to wear sh*t colored glasses all day.
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Say what you will about Lavin but it appears one thing is for sure, he will not compromise the integrity of the program for a kid. Got to admire that. It also shows that he is not going to panic and has supreme confidence in his ability to bring in other talented players.
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Say what you will about Lavin but it appears one thing is for sure, he will not compromise the integrity of the program for a kid. Got to admire that. It also shows that he is not going to panic and has supreme confidence in his ability to bring in other talented players.
+1 ill give him credit for that. Its not easy.
I didnt feel confident in this kid coming here regardless.
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Manhattan and Iona are light years better then those programs. Plus Manhattan and Iona have a recent history of getting local high major kids to transfer back to the area. Pankey, Momo Jones etc.
It is actually pretty obvious what schools he would end up considering.
Good points. However, Momo wanted to be here but couldn't because of Hicks' presence.
Agreed but he could have gone to Seton Hall (he visited there before he chose Iona). Yet he still chose Iona.
SHU passed on Momo - lets just say they were not willing to give on certain requests from the young man
I did not know that Seton Hall was strict regarding players who ask for special treatment.
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It's his "handler" I'm sure.. Disappointed that kids let these leeches do this stuff but somehow they breed trust. The kid is brain dead IMO for even considering a move like this. MAAC or bust lol
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Perhaps others can confirm, but I was told that $10,000 was the asking price to have a sitdown with his team. And that was just the beginning. Glad we passed if that's the case.
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Getting Lawrence was irrelevant to proving my point about Lavin's recruiting because he's proven his skills in that area time and again. It just "would" have been funny if after all this complaining he ended up with a top 25 recruit.
I see. So when you said "that" - seemingly a direct reference to a direct reference to JL enrolling at SJ - would shut people up, you weren't referring to Jermaine Lawrence at all, but to a larger unmentioned point. And, it turns out, you were right anyway, because even though the thing to which you referred as proof was false, the thing you allege to be true is true because it is true.
Must suck to wear sh*t colored glasses all day.
Things are what they are. Stupidity and willful blindness don't change facts and neither do delusions. I'm happy to be able to recognize shit for what it is when I step in it, lest like a mindless pollyanna I'm tempted to put it in an ice cream cone with sprinkles and pronounce it delicious.
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Perhaps others can confirm, but I was told that $10,000 was the asking price to have a sitdown with his team. And that was just the beginning. Glad we passed if that's the case.
Yeah, I heard about the same thing, but it was a half million for the sit down and then another half million if they wanted to have coffee and dessert afterwards. Thank goodness Lavin told him to get lost. Besides his low character and academic problems (that's what I heard anyway) he's a pussy and a cancer. And he's not 6'9" either, he's only like 5'8". Addition by subtraction. We're better off without him..
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Manhattan and Iona are light years better then those programs. Plus Manhattan and Iona have a recent history of getting local high major kids to transfer back to the area. Pankey, Momo Jones etc.
It is actually pretty obvious what schools he would end up considering.
Good points. However, Momo wanted to be here but couldn't because of Hicks' presence.
Agreed but he could have gone to Seton Hall (he visited there before he chose Iona). Yet he still chose Iona.
SHU passed on Momo - lets just say they were not willing to give on certain requests from the young man
I did not know that Seton Hall was strict regarding players who ask for special treatment.
Lots of things change in the coaching world, especially when a Coach might think he is on the hot seat...
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@NYPost_Brazille: Cincinnati transfer Jermaine Lawrence down to Iona, Hofstra and Manhattan. St. John's is out, per source. #sjubb
Oh well
How is Manhattan recruiting the kid when their head coach can't have any contact with recruits currently..?
Let's see if his visit is really cancelled.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Cincinnati transfer Jermaine Lawrence down to Iona, Hofstra and Manhattan. St. John's is out, per source. #sjubb
Oh well
How is Manhattan recruiting the kid when their head coach can't have any contact with recruits currently..?
Let's see if his visit is really cancelled.
Rasheen Davis
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I think things will change. It ain't over yet.
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Imagine the "Sky is falling , non class of 2014" ends up being DeLaRosa, Thomas, and Jermaine Lawrence? LOL..
Why , personally, I never get too worked up about recruiting early on in the season.. Way too many variables..
That would shut quite a few posters up who were complaining about recruiting.
+ fun
"Would"
Right, would. If everything would have turned out like the hallucinatory visions you see through your rose colored 3d Lavin specs, that would have shut quite a few people up, because they would have been wrong in wondering why we have such a lousy recruiting class coming in, and you would have been right, and no doubt you would have been gloating about being so. Except it turns out that the ones wondering were wondering for good reason, because your recruiting class savior who would have shut quite a few people up would rather play in the MAAC than in Lavinwould. Who will this turn of events shut up I wonder.
you forgot he only wants to play the 3 and be the next Durand and is always injured, LolPerhaps others can confirm, but I was told that $10,000 was the asking price to have a sitdown with his team. And that was just the beginning. Glad we passed if that's the case.
Yeah, I heard about the same thing, but it was a half million for the sit down and then another half million if they wanted to have coffee and dessert afterwards. Thank goodness Lavin told him to get lost. Besides his low character and academic problems (that's what I heard anyway) he's a pussy and a cancer. And he's not 6'9" either, he's only like 5'8". Addition by subtraction. We're better off without him..
You forgot that he will only play the 3 and is demanding 35 min. a game., wants to be the next Durand and is always injured. We dodged a bullet. LOL
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Jermaine has always seemed like a good kid. Apparently, his family really trusts this adviser, who appears to have achieved some level of success on other fronts and has probably convinced them that she knows what's best for Jermaine. That's unfortunate. I was disappointed when we didn't get him the first time, and I'm disappointed again this time. Hopefully, this turns out like the Obekpa transfer---what appears to be, really isn't. Maybe he and St. John's can see eye to eye.
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Imagine the "Sky is falling , non class of 2014" ends up being DeLaRosa, Thomas, and Jermaine Lawrence? LOL..
Why , personally, I never get too worked up about recruiting early on in the season.. Way too many variables..
That would shut quite a few posters up who were complaining about recruiting.
+ fun
"Would"
Right, would. If everything would have turned out like the hallucinatory visions you see through your rose colored 3d Lavin specs, that would have shut quite a few people up, because they would have been wrong in wondering why we have such a lousy recruiting class coming in, and you would have been right, and no doubt you would have been gloating about being so. Except it turns out that the ones wondering were wondering for good reason, because your recruiting class savior who would have shut quite a few people up would rather play in the MAAC than in Lavinwould. Who will this turn of events shut up I wonder.
you forgot he only wants to play the 3 and be the next Durand and is always injured, LolPerhaps others can confirm, but I was told that $10,000 was the asking price to have a sitdown with his team. And that was just the beginning. Glad we passed if that's the case.
Yeah, I heard about the same thing, but it was a half million for the sit down and then another half million if they wanted to have coffee and dessert afterwards. Thank goodness Lavin told him to get lost. Besides his low character and academic problems (that's what I heard anyway) he's a pussy and a cancer. And he's not 6'9" either, he's only like 5'8". Addition by subtraction. We're better off without him..
You forgot that he will only play the 3 and is demanding 35 min. a game., wants to be the next Durand and is always injured. We dodged a bullet. LOL
I never heard of Jermaine Lawrence until three days ago, LOL! Learn to read, LOL!
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Say what you will about Lavin but it appears one thing is for sure, he will not compromise the integrity of the program for a kid. Got to admire that. It also shows that he is not going to panic and has supreme confidence in his ability to bring in other talented players.
+1 ill give him credit for that. Its not easy.
I didnt feel confident in this kid coming here regardless.
I thought we would definitely get him given the other schools. It's clear he had a list of demands and Lavin was not willing to compromise his team for a very talented red flag. Good for him. I don't necessarily even like Lawrence as a player, and I would have had trboule turning down such a highly regarded prospect based on the "what if" he gets it together. Cincy was loaded with combos so the lack of stats didn't worry me that much. The shooting % s did, though, and the fact thtahe wanted to play the three scared me to death. As I said several times throughout this...give me a lesser talented kid like Keith Thomas who knows his role any day over a 6'9 wannabe wing. I think Baldi would be able to drop 30 on him from the perimeter...he has no shot of defending anyone out there, but he could be a beast from the FT line in if he accepted that role.
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Getting Lawrence was irrelevant to proving my point about Lavin's recruiting because he's proven his skills in that area time and again. It just "would" have been funny if after all this complaining he ended up with a top 25 recruit.
I see. So when you said "that" - seemingly a direct reference to a direct reference to JL enrolling at SJ - would shut people up, you weren't referring to Jermaine Lawrence at all, but to a larger unmentioned point. And, it turns out, you were right anyway, because even though the thing to which you referred as proof was false, the thing you allege to be true is true because it is true.
Must suck to wear sh*t colored glasses all day.
Things are what they are. Stupidity and willful blindness don't change facts and neither do delusions. I'm happy to be able to recognize shit for what it is when I step in it, lest like a mindless pollyanna I'm tempted to put it in an ice cream cone with sprinkles and pronounce it delicious.
Nowhere in my above posts am I talking about the program as a whole, or the teams performance under Lavin, which I concede has been far from successful. I'm talking about Lavin's perceived recruiting ability, which seems to be questioned on this board, which I think is ridiculous. His recruiting ability will still be great whether we get JL or not, that was my point. But carry on quoting my posts and pretending I said things I didn't if it makes you feel good.
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Say what you will about Lavin but it appears one thing is for sure, he will not compromise the integrity of the program for a kid. Got to admire that. It also shows that he is not going to panic and has supreme confidence in his ability to bring in other talented players.
+1 ill give him credit for that. Its not easy.
I didnt feel confident in this kid coming here regardless.
I thought we would definitely get him given the other schools. It's clear he had a list of demands and Lavin was not willing to compromise his team for a very talented red flag. Good for him. I don't necessarily even like Lawrence as a player, and I would have had trboule turning down such a highly regarded prospect based on the "what if" he gets it together. Cincy was loaded with combos so the lack of stats didn't worry me that much. The shooting % s did, though, and the fact thtahe wanted to play the three scared me to death. As I said several times throughout this...give me a lesser talented kid like Keith Thomas who knows his role any day over a 6'9 wannabe wing. I think Baldi would be able to drop 30 on him from the perimeter...he has no shot of defending anyone out there, but he could be a beast from the FT line in if he accepted that role.
No defense, you know what that means.
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Let me get this straight on St John's fans and Jermaine Lawrence: Yesterday he was coming they were thrilled and now he's a primadonna?
Braziller tweet
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Let me get this straight on St John's fans and Jermaine Lawrence: Yesterday he was coming they were thrilled and now he's a primadonna?
Braziller tweet
Not all of us, just a few.
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Let me get this straight on St John's fans and Jermaine Lawrence: Yesterday he was coming they were thrilled and now he's a primadonna?
Braziller tweet
Not all of us, just a few.
I have not seen anything substantial stating JL's recruitment has behind the scenes dealings, academic problems, PT demand problems, "head" issues, physical issues, handler issues, confidence issues, "I don't like SJ's" issues....
What is real, what is sour grapes, what is made up?
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Let me get this straight on St John's fans and Jermaine Lawrence: Yesterday he was coming they were thrilled and now he's a primadonna?
Braziller tweet
No one here was "thrilled", we just reasonably thought it would be a good pickup of a guy with a perceived high ceiling.
Not a hugh loss. Same as Whitehead was not a huge loss. These guys may be program changers for the mid major schools they went to/are going to, but for SJU they would have been just good potential pieces and were not seen as more than that by most fans.
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Imagine the "Sky is falling , non class of 2014" ends up being DeLaRosa, Thomas, and Jermaine Lawrence? LOL..
Why , personally, I never get too worked up about recruiting early on in the season.. Way too many variables..
That would shut quite a few posters up who were complaining about recruiting.
+ fun
"Would"
" imagine"
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No one here was "thrilled", .
"Would be absolutely huge for us."
"Getting this kid available this season would be phenomenal and game changing."
"Wow, picking up Lawrence for 2015 would make up for a lot"
"would love to have him."
"St. John's would be lucky to have him."
"no MAAC team has a shot" -- uwsfan
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Trolls be trollin'!
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I think Lawrence could have been an awesome pick up. Outside of pure speculation (which is always fun, don't get me wrong), I don't get how some posters have concluded that Lawrence isn't coming because Lavin wouldn't give in to his "handler's" demands. I realize this might be hard to swallow for some, but rather than assigning blame to this "handler", maybe Lawrence just doesn't want to play here. He's had ample opportunity to do so, and seems to be on the verge of rejecting us yet again.
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Let me get this straight on St John's fans and Jermaine Lawrence: Yesterday he was coming they were thrilled and now he's a primadonna?
Braziller tweet
Oh please call up the Iona payroll office!
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Say what you will about Lavin but it appears one thing is for sure, he will not compromise the integrity of the program for a kid. Got to admire that. It also shows that he is not going to panic and has supreme confidence in his ability to bring in other talented players.
Hahaha
You realize Chris Obekpa is apart of this program right? Lavin recruited him twice under the shadiest of circumstances.
Lavin would gladly throw the integrity of the program under a bus if it got him the player he needed. And he has.
They've coddled Jordan too, both in the recruiting process and since he's been here.
Let's not act like he's taking some moral high road by not going after Lawrence.
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Let me get this straight on St John's fans and Jermaine Lawrence: Yesterday he was coming they were thrilled and now he's a primadonna?
Braziller tweet
No one here was "thrilled", we just reasonably thought it would be a good pickup of a guy with a perceived high ceiling.
Not a hugh loss. Same as Whitehead was not a huge loss. These guys may be program changers for the mid major schools they went to/are going to, but for SJU they would have been just good potential pieces and were not seen as more than that by most fans.
We can't freaking score. Whitehead would have been an enormous pickup for us. McDonalds All-Americans are a big pickup for any school. Lets stop being ridiculous.
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Let me get this straight on St John's fans and Jermaine Lawrence: Yesterday he was coming they were thrilled and now he's a primadonna?
Braziller tweet
No one here was "thrilled", we just reasonably thought it would be a good pickup of a guy with a perceived high ceiling.
Not a hugh loss. Same as Whitehead was not a huge loss. These guys may be program changers for the mid major schools they went to/are going to, but for SJU they would have been just good potential pieces and were not seen as more than that by most fans.
We can't freaking score. Whitehead would have been an enormous pickup for us. McDonalds All-Americans are a big pickup for any school. Lets stop being ridiculous.
Whitehead could have eventually developed into a solid #2 scoring option. But he is simply not a #1 guy on any highly ranked squad that could advance in the tourney, which is what St. johns aspires to be. He is certainly not the caliber of guy who can demand to be the go to guy as a true frosh for a quality program. SH is going to suffer this coming season with that freshman trying to dominate the ball and for having predetermined that no one else can emerge organically as the #1.
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Say what you will about Lavin but it appears one thing is for sure, he will not compromise the integrity of the program for a kid. Got to admire that. It also shows that he is not going to panic and has supreme confidence in his ability to bring in other talented players.
Hahaha
You realize Chris Obekpa is apart of this program right? Lavin recruited him twice under the shadiest of circumstances.
Lavin would gladly throw the integrity of the program under a bus if it got him the player he needed. And he has.
They've coddled Jordan too, both in the recruiting process and since he's been here.
Let's not act like he's taking some moral high road by not going after Lawrence.
Well, we know with high confidence SPECIFICALLY what the shady issues were with Lawrence and Whitehead.
What SPECIFICALLY are the "shady" tactics that allowed Opeka to come here that you allude to?
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Refresh my memory about Obekpa's shady recruiting ordeal... I don't remember
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Refresh my memory about Obekpa's shady recruiting ordeal... I don't remember
And why isn't Tiny on our staff?
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Refresh my memory about Obekpa's shady recruiting ordeal... I don't remember
And why isn't Tiny on our staff?
The next comment will be that they "misremembered" the shady details
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CBS asked 100 division 1 coaches what was the dirtiest recruitment in the past decade...
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/19865011/critical-coaches-which-player-had-the-dirtiest-recruitment (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/19865011/critical-coaches-which-player-had-the-dirtiest-recruitment)
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CBS asked 100 division 1 coaches what was the dirtiest recruitment in the past decade...
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/19865011/critical-coaches-which-player-had-the-dirtiest-recruitment (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/19865011/critical-coaches-which-player-had-the-dirtiest-recruitment)
Don't use facts, it only confuses them.
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Let me get this straight on St John's fans and Jermaine Lawrence: Yesterday he was coming they were thrilled and now he's a primadonna?
Braziller tweet
No one here was "thrilled", we just reasonably thought it would be a good pickup of a guy with a perceived high ceiling.
Not a hugh loss. Same as Whitehead was not a huge loss. These guys may be program changers for the mid major schools they went to/are going to, but for SJU they would have been just good potential pieces and were not seen as more than that by most fans.
We can't freaking score. Whitehead would have been an enormous pickup for us. McDonalds All-Americans are a big pickup for any school. Lets stop being ridiculous.
Whitehead could have eventually developed into a solid #2 scoring option. But he is simply not a #1 guy on any highly ranked squad that could advance in the tourney, which is what St. johns aspires to be. He is certainly not the caliber of guy who can demand to be the go to guy as a true frosh for a quality program. SH is going to suffer this coming season with that freshman trying to dominate the ball and for having predetermined that no one else can emerge organically as the #1.
Personally, I think SH will struggle because they had 3 starters graduate, and not because they're bringing in one of the top guards in the country.
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A lot of Calipari guys on that list
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3 coaches out of 100? Wow... Filthy.....Let me guess, the 3 coaches that lost out on him...
Anyway, I don't care about that stuff anyway...Cheat away...just win, and don't get caught.
I will sacrifice integrity for a Title..not my school.... ;)
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CBS asked 100 division 1 coaches what was the dirtiest recruitment in the past decade...
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/19865011/critical-coaches-which-player-had-the-dirtiest-recruitment (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/19865011/critical-coaches-which-player-had-the-dirtiest-recruitment)
Also receiving votes were Pelle, Sampson and Jevon Thomson.
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This next school will be Jermaine's fourth in four years.
Jr. HS: Cardozo
Sr. HS: Pope John
Fr Col.: Cincinnati
So Col: ?
Not exactly the poster child for sticking with a program. Almost like Lamar Odom going to Rhode Island. Just needs to prove he can stay healthy, a big issue, and he'll be done. Europe, NBA, whoever is paying. And that's fine. More minutes for Thomas and frontline role players up front.
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Let me get this straight on St John's fans and Jermaine Lawrence: Yesterday he was coming they were thrilled and now he's a primadonna?
Braziller tweet
No one here was "thrilled", we just reasonably thought it would be a good pickup of a guy with a perceived high ceiling.
Not a hugh loss. Same as Whitehead was not a huge loss. These guys may be program changers for the mid major schools they went to/are going to, but for SJU they would have been just good potential pieces and were not seen as more than that by most fans.
This coming from a #1 NIT seed with a free ride to the semis @ MSG that lost to - wasn't even competitive with - an NEC team before a pitifully small crowd at Carneseca. No balls whatsoever.
Big time program. Been hearing it for years but not seeing it on the court. A "good potential piece". Totally pretentious. What have you guys actually ACCOMPLISHED lately? Lavin maybe a great recruiter but he hasn 't won anything with all of the talent.
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Let me get this straight on St John's fans and Jermaine Lawrence: Yesterday he was coming they were thrilled and now he's a primadonna?
Braziller tweet
No one here was "thrilled", we just reasonably thought it would be a good pickup of a guy with a perceived high ceiling.
Not a hugh loss. Same as Whitehead was not a huge loss. These guys may be program changers for the mid major schools they went to/are going to, but for SJU they would have been just good potential pieces and were not seen as more than that by most fans.
Big time program. Been hearing it for years but not seeing it on the court. A "good potential piece". Totally pretentious. What have you guys actually ACCOMPLISHED lately? Lavin maybe a great recruiter but he hasn 't won anything with all of the talent.
you aren't a st johns fan ?
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Not really. I do think you guys are over rated and I think a number of fans this board are somewhat delusional regarding their perception of where St. John's exists in the real college basketball universe.
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Not really. I do think you guys are over rated and I think a number of fans this board are somewhat delusional regarding their perception of where St. John's exists in the real college basketball universe.
Great. Go away then
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Not really. I do think you guys are over rated and I think a number of fans this board are somewhat delusional regarding their perception of where St. John's exists in the real college basketball universe.
Great. Go away then
Add in Spade's: "Buh-Bye"
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Not really. I do think you guys are over rated and I think a number of fans this board are somewhat delusional regarding their perception of where St. John's exists in the real college basketball universe.
Which local program should be given more credit, if we are overrated?
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I thought he would have been a good pickup for us. Just disappointed with all this "handler" nonsense, but it is what it is. I hope we land Carter.
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Not really. I do think you guys are over rated and I think a number of fans this board are somewhat delusional regarding their perception of where St. John's exists in the real college basketball universe.
Which local program should be given more credit, if we are overrated?
All are irrelevant on a national scale. Do you think St. John's is relevant nationally?
Another thing. There are 85 pages in this Lawrence recruit thread, but now the kid can't cut it.
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Not really. I do think you guys are over rated and I think a number of fans this board are somewhat delusional regarding their perception of where St. John's exists in the real college basketball universe.
Which local program should be given more credit, if we are overrated?
All are irrelevant on a national scale. Do you think St. John's is relevant nationally?
Another thing. There are 85 pages in this Lawrence recruit thread, but now the kid can't cut it.
I don't think we are close to a national power but how could we be irrelevant nationally and land recruits out of the nyc area ?
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Supposedly now Manhattan is out of the picture
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Iona...like I said
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He wants the freedom to shoot the ball 25 times a night...only one place to do that
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Zach's newest blurb makes it seem Hofstra is in the driver seat.
"Hofstra, in particular, impressed him."
http://nypost.com/2014/05/16/queens-native-lawrence-bolts-cincy-for-family-will-play-in-ny/ (http://nypost.com/2014/05/16/queens-native-lawrence-bolts-cincy-for-family-will-play-in-ny/)
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Not really. I do think you guys are over rated and I think a number of fans this board are somewhat delusional regarding their perception of where St. John's exists in the real college basketball universe.
Plus fun. Saint John's is the most over rated franchise in the history of sports. Saint Louis Brown fans are more realistic.
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He wants the freedom to shoot the ball 25 times a night...only one place to do that
If he is going to go anywhere not sju then I'm rooting for Hofstra.
That would be crazy for them.
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He wants the freedom to shoot the ball 25 times a night...only one place to do that
If he is going to go anywhere not sju then I'm rooting for Hofstra.
That would be crazy for them.
Hofstra will have a nice squad next year. I think he goes there, better facilities
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He will go to Hofstra as that women believes it is academically superior. And just a bit of anti-catholic
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He is a Jehova's Witness and may not wish to paticipate in some of the religious functions that SJU athletes attend. I would think that accomodations could be made for that but, who knows.
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He wants the freedom to shoot the ball 25 times a night...only one place to do that
If he is going to go anywhere not sju then I'm rooting for Hofstra.
That would be crazy for them.
Hofstra will have a nice squad next year. I think he goes there, better facilities
Who on Hofstra is good? I can't think of one player.
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He wants the freedom to shoot the ball 25 times a night...only one place to do that
If he is going to go anywhere not sju then I'm rooting for Hofstra.
That would be crazy for them.
Hofstra will have a nice squad next year. I think he goes there, better facilities
Who on Hofstra is good? I can't think of one player.
Juanya Green, Brian Bernardi, returning bigs and another Niagara transfer. Jucos
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Not really. I do think you guys are over rated and I think a number of fans this board are somewhat delusional regarding their perception of where St. John's exists in the real college basketball universe.
Which local program should be given more credit, if we are overrated?
All are irrelevant on a national scale. Do you think St. John's is relevant nationally?
Another thing. There are 85 pages in this Lawrence recruit thread, but now the kid can't cut it.
Personally, I don't give a shit what anyone outside of NY thinks regarding basketball. Or anything. The rest of the country is urban sprawl. As far as being relevant nationally, like it or not, we are. Are we an elite program? No, not right now, but we're closer to being one than any other program in the area.
This kid went to Cinci on his own free will. I'm not surprised his bad judgement is effecting his career again. A career that's put up 2 points and 2 rebounds per game isn't a loss you lose sleep over.
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He wants the freedom to shoot the ball 25 times a night...only one place to do that
If he is going to go anywhere not sju then I'm rooting for Hofstra.
That would be crazy for them.
Hofstra will have a nice squad next year. I think he goes there, better facilities
Who on Hofstra is good? I can't think of one player.
Juanya Green, Brian Bernardi, returning bigs and another Niagara transfer. Jucos
I think even with Lawrence Hofstra will be lucky to finish above last place in the CAA.
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if we are so relevant nationally why are we constantly being confused with St Joes?
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Not really. I do think you guys are over rated and I think a number of fans this board are somewhat delusional regarding their perception of where St. John's exists in the real college basketball universe.
Which local program should be given more credit, if we are overrated?
All are irrelevant on a national scale. Do you think St. John's is relevant nationally?
Another thing. There are 85 pages in this Lawrence recruit thread, but now the kid can't cut it.
I don't think we are close to a national power but how could we be irrelevant nationally and land recruits out of the nyc area ?
Not saying Lavon can't recruit. Obviously he can. But also he obviously can't develop the talent he recruits.
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He wants the freedom to shoot the ball 25 times a night...only one place to do that
If he is going to go anywhere not sju then I'm rooting for Hofstra.
That would be crazy for them.
Hofstra will have a nice squad next year. I think he goes there, better facilities
Who on Hofstra is good? I can't think of one player.
Juanya Green, Brian Bernardi, returning bigs and another Niagara transfer. Jucos
I think even with Lawrence Hofstra will be lucky to finish above last place in the CAA.
The kid or kids that came from his previous school are supposed to be real good. And they did well recruiting this year.
I think that the way they re going if they land Lawrence they can be one of the top tier teams in the CAA in the next 2 years
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Fordham in the mix now. Eric Paschal can't be happy
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Personally, I don't give a shit what anyone outside of NY thinks regarding basketball. Or anything. The rest of the country is urban sprawl.
One of the more ignorant thing's i've ever seen posted on this board.
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At least at Fordham he would play against better comp and some guys that are going to get looks or even play at the next level.
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At least at Fordham he would play against better comp and some guys that are going to get looks or even play at the next level.
And never make a tournament. And never touch the rock, unless its off a Severe miss
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Personally, I don't give a shit what anyone outside of NY thinks regarding basketball. Or anything. The rest of the country is urban sprawl.
One of the more ignorant thing's i've ever seen posted on this board.
Firstly, there's no apostrophe in "things".
For the record, baseball fans across the country hate the Yankees because they spend so much money. I'm not reaching for my violin.
Do not feel badly because you don't live in NY. You're real estate was significantly cheaper, and you probably have less rush hour traffic. BUT, should you decide to visit, and come to a basketball game in our beautiful city, please watch this important video first, before deplaning:
Johnny T's NYC Tourist Tips (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LmPBPWHJu4#ws)
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At least at Fordham he would play against better comp and some guys that are going to get looks or even play at the next level.
And never make a tournament. And never touch the rock, unless its off a Severe miss
Forget THE tournament. They don't make ANY tournament.
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Not really. I do think you guys are over rated and I think a number of fans this board are somewhat delusional regarding their perception of where St. John's exists in the real college basketball universe.
Which local program should be given more credit, if we are overrated?
All are irrelevant on a national scale. Do you think St. John's is relevant nationally?
Another thing. There are 85 pages in this Lawrence recruit thread, but now the kid can't cut it.
I don't think we are close to a national power but how could we be irrelevant nationally and land recruits out of the nyc area ?
Not saying Lavon can't recruit. Obviously he can. But also he obviously can't develop the talent he recruits.
That's not a fair assessment. Jordan started off scoring 2 points, picking up charges and stupid fouls. By mid season, he was one of the best guards in the conference. Maybe you didn't like that they didn't make the dance, and that's fine. No one did, but if you think no one improves here, that's BS. Team went from 7-9 to 10-6. It wasn't the leap we expected, but even if we're the tallest dwarf in NYC, we're still the best team.
It seems like you're not watching carefully. If you are, feel free to explain your POV.
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He is a Jehova's Witness and may not wish to paticipate in some of the religious functions that SJU athletes attend. I would think that accomodations could be made for that but, who knows.
STJ isn't pushing religion on a player that isn't interested. That's not why he isn't coming. We're not BYU.
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"Firstly, there's no apostrophe in "things"."
"You're real estate was significantly cheaper, and you probably have less rush hour traffic."
I have no dog in the fight re: your argument, I just found this pretty entertaining...
If you're going to correct someone else's grammar, please ensure your own typing is grammatically correct, at least for the length of the post. "You are real estate" doesn't seem to be what you were going for there...
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If you're going to correct someone else's grammar, please ensure your own typing is grammatically correct, at least for the length of the post. "You are real estate" doesn't seem to be what you were going for there...
Skitt's Law: Any post correcting an error in another post will contain at least one error itself.
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I've lived in the Ny/Nj area my whole life and personally think it sucks.
Counting the days until I'm out.
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He is a Jehova's Witness and may not wish to paticipate in some of the religious functions that SJU athletes attend. I would think that accomodations could be made for that but, who knows.
STJ isn't pushing religion on a player that isn't interested. That's not why he isn't coming. We're not BYU.
I'm not suggesting that St. John's is "pushing" religion on anyone. People of many faiths attend without a problem. I did date a Jehova's Witness in the past, and they are pretty strict in the things that they will not do. Some of their beliefs may be compromised if they attend a non-secular school. I have no idea if that played any role in his decision. Strictly speculation.
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"Firstly, there's no apostrophe in "things"."
"You're real estate was significantly cheaper, and you probably have less rush hour traffic."
I have no dog in the fight re: your argument, I just found this pretty entertaining...
If you're going to correct someone else's grammar, please ensure your own typing is grammatically correct, at least for the length of the post. "You are real estate" doesn't seem to be what you were going for there...
Oh, there are probably other errors, too.
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I did date a Jehova's Witness in the past, and they are pretty strict in the things that they will not do
Maybe she just wouldn't do them with you.
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He is a Jehova's Witness and may not wish to paticipate in some of the religious functions that SJU athletes attend. I would think that accomodations could be made for that but, who knows.
STJ isn't pushing religion on a player that isn't interested. That's not why he isn't coming. We're not BYU.
I'm not suggesting that St. John's is "pushing" religion on anyone. People of many faiths attend without a problem. I did date a Jehova's Witness in the past, and they are pretty strict in the things that they will not do. Some of their beliefs may be compromised if they attend a non-secular school. I have no idea if that played any role in his decision. Strictly speculation.
Well, did you read the pamphlet she handed you, first?
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I did date a Jehova's Witness in the past, and they are pretty strict in the things that they will not do
Maybe she just wouldn't do them with you.
Lol. I wasn't even thinking about sexual things but, now that you mention it...
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She's actually the only person I've dated since my divorce that I could imagine being married to. Wonderful person but I would have had to convert for things to get too serious.
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Was she always knocking on your door at the worst possible times?
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Not really. I do think you guys are over rated and I think a number of fans this board are somewhat delusional regarding their perception of where St. John's exists in the real college basketball universe.
Which local program should be given more credit, if we are overrated?
All are irrelevant on a national scale. Do you think St. John's is relevant nationally?
Another thing. There are 85 pages in this Lawrence recruit thread, but now the kid can't cut it.
I don't think we are close to a national power but how could we be irrelevant nationally and land recruits out of the nyc area ?
Not saying Lavon can't recruit. Obviously he can. But also he obviously can't develop the talent he recruits.
That's not a fair assessment. Jordan started off scoring 2 points, picking up charges and stupid fouls. By mid season, he was one of the best guards in the conference. Maybe you didn't like that they didn't make the dance, and that's fine. No one did, but if you think no one improves here, that's BS. Team went from 7-9 to 10-6. It wasn't the leap we expected, but even if we're the tallest dwarf in NYC, we're still the best team.
It seems like you're not watching carefully. If you are, feel free to explain your POV.
We were never 7-9.
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I've lived in the Ny/Nj area my whole life and personally think it sucks.
Counting the days until I'm out.
Amen!
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As for the religious thing, I didn't see anyone mention that Zendon is a seventh-day adventist. He seemed happy enough here.
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CBS asked 100 division 1 coaches what was the dirtiest recruitment in the past decade...
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/19865011/critical-coaches-which-player-had-the-dirtiest-recruitment (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/19865011/critical-coaches-which-player-had-the-dirtiest-recruitment)
Shabazz Muhammad's recruitment must have been really dirty if his recruitment was more than twice as dirty as Anderson's.
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As for the religious thing, I didn't see anyone mention that Zendon is a seventh-day adventist. He seemed happy enough here.
I hate to turn this into a religion thread but... I have also know Seventh Day Adventist women and they are much less restricted in their "activities" than Jehova's Witnesses.
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I've lived in the Ny/Nj area my whole life and personally think it sucks.
Counting the days until I'm out.
You retiring boo, or just planning a new location?
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I've lived in the Ny/Nj area my whole life and personally think it sucks.
Counting the days until I'm out.
You retiring boo, or just planning a new location?
Lol@ retiring...Would love to relocate.. Spent some time in Austin Texas recently and loved it...What a great city. People are actually, you know, nice there....
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Love this...
Evan Daniels @EvanDaniels 27m
Tired of dudes that check in at 6-8, 220-pounds wanting to be perimeter guys. Get in the paint. There's only one Kevin Durant.
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I've lived in the Ny/Nj area my whole life and personally think it sucks.
Counting the days until I'm out.
You retiring boo, or just planning a new location?
Lol@ retiring...Would love to relocate.. Spent some time in Austin Texas recently and loved it...What a great city. People are actually, you know, nice there....
I have a co-worker from Houston. We were just chatting about Austin recently, and he told me it's been growing so fast that the infrastructure cannot support it (almost 3 MIL people in city+metro area). He told me not enough interstates and other highways to lead into the major cities. If you do go, don't move too far out if you need to commute into Austin, or it might be an hour plus commute and you'll be in NYC mode soon enough without subways/trains - lol
I'm just going to keep moving further south - NY to DMV to NC/SC, maybe then GA to St. Simon's/Jekyl Island area
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Not really. I do think you guys are over rated and I think a number of fans this board are somewhat delusional regarding their perception of where St. John's exists in the real college basketball universe.
Which local program should be given more credit, if we are overrated?
All are irrelevant on a national scale. Do you think St. John's is relevant nationally?
Another thing. There are 85 pages in this Lawrence recruit thread, but now the kid can't cut it.
I don't think we are close to a national power but how could we be irrelevant nationally and land recruits out of the nyc area ?
Not saying Lavon can't recruit. Obviously he can. But also he obviously can't develop the talent he recruits.
That's not a fair assessment. Jordan started off scoring 2 points, picking up charges and stupid fouls. By mid season, he was one of the best guards in the conference. Maybe you didn't like that they didn't make the dance, and that's fine. No one did, but if you think no one improves here, that's BS. Team went from 7-9 to 10-6. It wasn't the leap we expected, but even if we're the tallest dwarf in NYC, we're still the best team.
It seems like you're not watching carefully. If you are, feel free to explain your POV.
We were never 7-9.
Last year, what was our conference record?
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I've lived in the Ny/Nj area my whole life and personally think it sucks.
Counting the days until I'm out.
I've never heard anyone say that New Jersey sucks.
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I first said it 48 years ago on my way to California
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I first said it 48 years ago on my way to California
Hope you're in the North. I hope you've hummed some songs to mason Jennings excellent song writing
http://youtu.be/VoO2f1BbhO4 (http://youtu.be/VoO2f1BbhO4)
http://youtu.be/s8B89fI_wNs (http://youtu.be/s8B89fI_wNs)
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As for the religious thing, I didn't see anyone mention that Zendon is a seventh-day adventist. He seemed happy enough here.
I hate to turn this into a religion thread but... I have also know Seventh Day Adventist women and they are much less restricted in their "activities" than Jehova's Witnesses.
that sounds like a lot more sex from seventh day adventist women :)
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I've lived in the Ny/Nj area my whole life and personally think it sucks.
Counting the days until I'm out.
I've never heard anyone say that New Jersey sucks.
[/quoteI've lived in the Ny/Nj area my whole life and personally think it sucks.
Counting the days until I'm out.
I've never heard anyone say that New Jersey sucks.
I've lived in the Ny/Nj area my whole life and personally think it sucks.
Counting the days until I'm out.
I've never heard anyone say that New Jersey sucks.
After living 1/2 my life in suburbs of Ny and the other 1/2 in Jersey I can assure you, there is very little difference.
NYC is great, to visit ... It's the people more than anything. NYers are bonafide a rear of a donkeys.
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SpI've lived in the Ny/Nj area my whole life and personally think it sucks.
Counting the days until I'm out.
I've never heard anyone say that New Jersey sucks.
[/quoteI've lived in the Ny/Nj area my whole life and personally think it sucks.
Counting the days until I'm out.
I've never heard anyone say that New Jersey sucks.
I've lived in the Ny/Nj area my whole life and personally think it sucks.
Counting the days until I'm out.
I've never heard anyone say that New Jersey sucks.
After living 1/2 my life in suburbs of Ny and the other 1/2 in Jersey I can assure you, there is very little difference.
NYC is great, to visit ... It's the people more than anything. NYers are bonafide a rear of a donkeys.
Whenever we travel whether it be in the states or overseas it never ceases to amaze me how friendly other people are wherever we are visiting. Every place we go we end up with a couple of new friends although while we were just in Cartagena we ended up becoming friends with another couple who were ironically from NYC.
I think the friendliest people we have come across in the US is when we travel to New Orleans and overseas it has to be Ireland. And usually when we travel people are surprised we are from NY because their ideas of New Yorkers are we arent too nice. Heck we met someone in turkey last year who never even met an american. I didnt even know how that was possible
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SpI've lived in the Ny/Nj area my whole life and personally think it sucks.
Counting the days until I'm out.
I've never heard anyone say that New Jersey sucks.
[/quoteI've lived in the Ny/Nj area my whole life and personally think it sucks.
Counting the days until I'm out.
I've never heard anyone say that New Jersey sucks.
I've lived in the Ny/Nj area my whole life and personally think it sucks.
Counting the days until I'm out.
I've never heard anyone say that New Jersey sucks.
After living 1/2 my life in suburbs of Ny and the other 1/2 in Jersey I can assure you, there is very little difference.
NYC is great, to visit ... It's the people more than anything. NYers are bonafide a rear of a donkeys.
Whenever we travel whether it be in the states or overseas it never ceases to amaze me how friendly other people are wherever we are visiting. Every place we go we end up with a couple of new friends although while we were just in Cartagena we ended up becoming friends with another couple who were ironically from NYC.
I think the friendliest people we have come across in the US is when we travel to New Orleans and overseas it has to be Ireland. And usually when we travel people are surprised we are from NY because their ideas of New Yorkers are we arent too nice. Heck we met someone in turkey last year who never even met an american. I didnt even know how that was possible
It's like the old joke when people say doctors and lawyers are real jackasses except for their doctor and their lawyer.
Overall, I find most NYers to be just as good, if not better than some of the people I've encountered in the DC area these past 20 years. My general observation is that when you get away from NY, you realize people are all the same, just a bit trickier to read. Some are not so direct, and will be sneaky about expressing how they feel in certain instances. That being said, a slower paced environment tends to help people be a bit more relaxed in their approach to life. It's easier to hang with people not stressed over exorbitant taxes - lol
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I first said it 48 years ago on my way to California
Hope you're in the North. I hope you've hummed some songs to mason Jennings excellent song writing
http://youtu.be/VoO2f1BbhO4 (http://youtu.be/VoO2f1BbhO4)
http://youtu.be/s8B89fI_wNs (http://youtu.be/s8B89fI_wNs)
I first said it 48 years ago on my way to California
Hope you're in the North. I hope you've hummed some songs to mason Jennings excellent song writing
http://youtu.be/VoO2f1BbhO4 (http://youtu.be/VoO2f1BbhO4)
http://youtu.be/s8B89fI_wNs (http://youtu.be/s8B89fI_wNs)
Still after all these years Jefferson Airplane and the Dead
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I've lived in the Ny/Nj area my whole life and personally think it sucks.
Counting the days until I'm out.
You retiring boo, or just planning a new location?
Lol@ retiring...Would love to relocate.. Spent some time in Austin Texas recently and loved it...What a great city. People are actually, you know, nice there....
I have a co-worker from Houston. We were just chatting about Austin recently, and he told me it's been growing so fast that the infrastructure cannot support it (almost 3 MIL people in city+metro area). He told me not enough interstates and other highways to lead into the major cities. If you do go, don't move too far out if you need to commute into Austin, or it might be an hour plus commute and you'll be in NYC mode soon enough without subways/trains - lol
I'm just going to keep moving further south - NY to DMV to NC/SC, maybe then GA to St. Simon's/Jekyl Island area
I've been there a number of times and love the place--great music/bar scene. Agree on infrastructure comment. Also some locals will tell you that the "old" Austin scene has been ruined by the California interlopers who have driven the rise of multi story condos that have caused the closing of some classic Austin DIVE BARS. One negative is the continuing drought--water is going to be a major problem for Texas.
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I've lived in the Ny/Nj area my whole life and personally think it sucks.
Counting the days until I'm out.
You retiring boo, or just planning a new location?
Lol@ retiring...Would love to relocate.. Spent some time in Austin Texas recently and loved it...What a great city. People are actually, you know, nice there....
I have a co-worker from Houston. We were just chatting about Austin recently, and he told me it's been growing so fast that the infrastructure cannot support it (almost 3 MIL people in city+metro area). He told me not enough interstates and other highways to lead into the major cities. If you do go, don't move too far out if you need to commute into Austin, or it might be an hour plus commute and you'll be in NYC mode soon enough without subways/trains - lol
I'm just going to keep moving further south - NY to DMV to NC/SC, maybe then GA to St. Simon's/Jekyl Island area
I've been there a number of times and love the place--great music/bar scene. Agree on infrastructure comment. Also some locals will tell you that the "old" Austin scene has been ruined by the California interlopers who have driven the rise of multi story condos that have caused the closing of some classic Austin DIVE BARS. One negative is the continuing drought--water is going to be a major problem for Texas.
True about the drought. I'm not sure who will have it worse - the desert states fighting over the Colorado, or the midwest states looking at a deleted aquifer in about 25-50 years. dust bowl cities...
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Good points about the flocking to Austin and the H2O issue.. I would be surprised if everyone wasn't affected by a water crises in the future..( longer term)
I know tons of people that have made the move already... to places like Austin, Denver, etc... My sister just recently decided to sell her house in Rockville Centre and move down to Charleston, SC with her family..
There is something to be said for a slowed down pace in life and to live somewhere that people treat each other as humans.. It's not NY, that I know.
Probably get an extra 7-10 years out of life as well.. LOl.
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Lawrence decision on Wednesday
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Good points about the flocking to Austin and the H2O issue.. I would be surprised if everyone wasn't affected by a water crises in the future..( longer term)
I know tons of people that have made the move already... to places like Austin, Denver, etc... My sister just recently decided to sell her house in Rockville Centre and move down to Charleston, SC with her family..
There is something to be said for a slowed down pace in life and to live somewhere that people treat each other as humans.. It's not NY, that I know.
Probably get an extra 7-10 years out of life as well.. LOl.
we have friends that live in denver and some that are moving there. They rave about the place and they don't even smoke pot.
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I first said it 48 years ago on my way to California
Hope you're in the North. I hope you've hummed some songs to mason Jennings excellent song writing
http://youtu.be/VoO2f1BbhO4 (http://youtu.be/VoO2f1BbhO4)
http://youtu.be/s8B89fI_wNs (http://youtu.be/s8B89fI_wNs)
I first said it 48 years ago on my way to California
Hope you're in the North. I hope you've hummed some songs to mason Jennings excellent song writing
http://youtu.be/VoO2f1BbhO4 (http://youtu.be/VoO2f1BbhO4)
http://youtu.be/s8B89fI_wNs (http://youtu.be/s8B89fI_wNs)
Still after all these years Jefferson Airplane and the Dead
Bob Weir and Ratdog playing in manhattan at new pier stage in august, just sayin
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Not really. I do think you guys are over rated and I think a number of fans this board are somewhat delusional regarding their perception of where St. John's exists in the real college basketball universe.
Which local program should be given more credit, if we are overrated?
All are irrelevant on a national scale. Do you think St. John's is relevant nationally?
Another thing. There are 85 pages in this Lawrence recruit thread, but now the kid can't cut it.
I don't think we are close to a national power but how could we be irrelevant nationally and land recruits out of the nyc area ?
Not saying Lavon can't recruit. Obviously he can. But also he obviously can't develop the talent he recruits.
That's not a fair assessment. Jordan started off scoring 2 points, picking up charges and stupid fouls. By mid season, he was one of the best guards in the conference. Maybe you didn't like that they didn't make the dance, and that's fine. No one did, but if you think no one improves here, that's BS. Team went from 7-9 to 10-6. It wasn't the leap we expected, but even if we're the tallest dwarf in NYC, we're still the best team.
It seems like you're not watching carefully. If you are, feel free to explain your POV.
We were never 7-9.
Last year, what was our conference record?
8-10
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I love living in NY. Hate having to commute 3 hours back and forth to work when I live 19 miles away.
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Good points about the flocking to Austin and the H2O issue.. I would be surprised if everyone wasn't affected by a water crises in the future..( longer term)
I know tons of people that have made the move already... to places like Austin, Denver, etc... My sister just recently decided to sell her house in Rockville Centre and move down to Charleston, SC with her family..
There is something to be said for a slowed down pace in life and to live somewhere that people treat each other as humans.. It's not NY, that I know.
Probably get an extra 7-10 years out of life as well.. LOl.
I would extol the virtues of Charleston, but I don't want all us board members flocking down there....lol
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Good points about the flocking to Austin and the H2O issue.. I would be surprised if everyone wasn't affected by a water crises in the future..( longer term)
I know tons of people that have made the move already... to places like Austin, Denver, etc... My sister just recently decided to sell her house in Rockville Centre and move down to Charleston, SC with her family..
There is something to be said for a slowed down pace in life and to live somewhere that people treat each other as humans.. It's not NY, that I know.
Probably get an extra 7-10 years out of life as well.. LOl.
I would extol the virtues of Charleston, but I don't want all us board members flocking down there....lol
did you meet any of the members when we played down there ?
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we have friends that live in denver and some that are moving there. They rave about the place and they don't even smoke pot.
I really liked Denver the few times I've been there.
As for New Yorkers, I think the whole unfriendly thing is a total myth. The biggest jerks by far are the hipsters who invaded from other states. And New Yorkers are far nicer than San Franciscans, who are total D-bags -- D-bags who drive like crap.
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Lawrence decision on Wednesday
Please keep your posts on topic. Thank-you.
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we have friends that live in denver and some that are moving there. They rave about the place and they don't even smoke pot.
I really liked Denver the few times I've been there.
As for New Yorkers, I think the whole unfriendly thing is a total myth. The biggest jerks by far are the hipsters who invaded from other states. And New Yorkers are far nicer than San Franciscans, who are total D-bags -- D-bags who drive like crap.
lol on the San Franciscans. We became friends with a couple at our B&B in turkey who live there who are cool but they aren't from there originally.
Pretty sure we are gonna trip out to denver maybe in the late summer-fall. Uhh maybe trip out isn't the best terminology. lol
Want to go to a baseball game there or football. Don't smoke but maybe I'd try a cookie if Nat isn't looking :)
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Lawrence decision on Wednesday
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille 5m
Confirmed Cincinnati transfer Jermaine Lawrence visits for Wednesday. Fordham in the morning, Manhattan after. Decision by end of week.
..close...
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Can the title of this thread be changed to "The Low IQ dolt whos Handler ruined his career"
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How come Seton Hall isn't a player in this recruitment? Willard sold his soul anyway with Tiny, etc, so why not go full bore.
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Jaspers appear likely. Rasheen Davis is such a plus for Manhattan.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Cincinnati transfer Jermaine Lawrence will not visit Fordham Wednesday, but will be at Manhattan, per source. Fordham is out.
@NYPost_Brazille: There was scheduling conflict but Lawrence only considering Iona, Manhattan, Hofstra Jaspers will get last visit Decision expected this week
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What's the consensus here, despite your hate for Baldi? I think Hofstra
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What's the consensus here, despite your hate for Baldi? I think Hofstra
Manhattan
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Iona
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LIU
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WhogivesacrapU.
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This is what comes to my mind when I imagine a top 20 kid playing at a school like Hofstra
Kramer Dominates the Dojo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t8xwpW8gJQ#)
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It would be an incredible feat for a school to recruit a talent seemingly out of its league with its head coach out of commission after taking another job and being punished by taking a leave of abense to take classes. I hope it happens. The reality show would be dramatic.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Told Cincy transfer Jermaine Lawrence visit to Manhattan went "great." Decision coming in next few days. Manhattan, Iona or Hofstra.
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Hofstra out. Down to Manhattan and Iona. Wow
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What's the consensus here, despite your hate for Baldi? I think Hofstra
Mush :)
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What's the consensus here, despite your hate for Baldi? I think Hofstra
Mush :)
Method to my madness
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Manhattan board saying he signed today
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I have about 20 friend who went to Manhattan and are sports fans, and have never heard of a Manhattan board before lol
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Manhattan board saying he signed today
Makes sense. Manhattan is the best team left on his list.
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Manhattan board saying he signed today
Makes sense. Manhattan is the best team left on his list.
Manhattan lost their 3 best players to graduation. IDK what they have coming in, but I don't see how they can sniff what they did last year. We'll see.
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As expected,
@NYPost_Brazille: Jermaine Lawrence is transferring to Manhattan per source. Picked Jaspers over Iona and Hofstra. Huge get.
@NYPost_Brazille: Jermaine Lawrence to Manhattan is a major get for assistant Rasheen Davis. With Steve Masiello on leave he not only took point but closed.
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If they can get the waiver for him it would be huge...
Lawrence goes from one Pitino protege to another....
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As expected,
@NYPost_Brazille: Jermaine Lawrence is transferring to Manhattan per source. Picked Jaspers over Iona and Hofstra. Huge get.
@NYPost_Brazille: Jermaine Lawrence to Manhattan is a major get for assistant Rasheen Davis. With Steve Masiello on leave he not only took point but closed.
This was always Manhattan/SJU. If things could not be worked out with SJU then Lawrence was going to Manhattan. Period.
Maybe he can take classes with Masiello??? LOL!!!
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As expected,
@NYPost_Brazille: Jermaine Lawrence is transferring to Manhattan per source. Picked Jaspers over Iona and Hofstra. Huge get.
@NYPost_Brazille: Jermaine Lawrence to Manhattan is a major get for assistant Rasheen Davis. With Steve Masiello on leave he not only took point but closed.
This was always Manhattan/SJU. If things could not be worked out with SJU then Lawrence was going to Manhattan. Period.
What??? SJU was knocked out first, if it was ever even on his/her list. Hofstra was getting a better look than us.
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Manhattan board saying he signed today
Makes sense. Manhattan is the best team left on his list.
Manhattan lost their 3 best players to graduation. IDK what they have coming in, but I don't see how they can sniff what they did last year. We'll see.
May not sniff it, but will be in top 1/4 of league. Still have enough talent with 3 solid starters. Then make the splash 2 years from now.
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Whether or not it will work in the long run remains to be seen, but the one thing Lavin has made clear, is that this is his program. He didn't like Harrison's attitude, that was it. Obekpa, Jordan etc. Same thing. Lavin is in charge. We saw what happened when Felipe Lopez, NYC high school basketball sensation took over the program, and our program became a side show.
If Lawrence wants special treatment, then I'm fine with him going to Manhattan. He'll fit right in with Massiello, who knows all about special treatment.
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Whether or not it will work in the long run remains to be seen, but the one thing Lavin has made clear, is that this is his program. He didn't like Harrison's attitude, that was it. Obekpa, Jordan etc. Same thing. Lavin is in charge. We saw what happened when Felipe Lopez, NYC high school basketball sensation took over the program, and our program became a side show.
If Lawrence wants special treatment, then I'm fine with him going to Manhattan. He'll fit right in with Massiello, who knows all about special treatment.
+1. Not worth the headache. Especially with Carter coming.
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Whether or not it will work in the long run remains to be seen, but the one thing Lavin has made clear, is that this is his program. He didn't like Harrison's attitude, that was it. Obekpa, Jordan etc. Same thing. Lavin is in charge. We saw what happened when Felipe Lopez, NYC high school basketball sensation took over the program, and our program became a side show.
If Lawrence wants special treatment, then I'm fine with him going to Manhattan. He'll fit right in with Massiello, who knows all about special treatment.
+1. Not worth the headache. Especially with Carter coming.
Carter's coming?
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Dave is confident, so I am.