6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => Recruiting Archives => Recruiting => 2014 Class => Topic started by: TRabinowitz on June 19, 2014, 05:25:26 PM
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RT @GTuckerF150 Oregon transfer Dominic Artis will visit St. John's this weekend, per a source
Artis was allegedly involved in strong-arming and basically locking a woman in a room during an alleged sexual assault: t.co/3GkVj9pvwo
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anyone think this is a good idea, if true?
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http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2014/6/19/5825662/st-johns-transfer-dominic-artis-oregon-rape-allegation (http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/2014/6/19/5825662/st-johns-transfer-dominic-artis-oregon-rape-allegation)
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The incident had some god awful details. Terrible and disgusting stuff if true. One note from it however was that the female did admit to having consensual sex with artis the morning after.
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The incident had some god awful details. Terrible and disgusting stuff if true. One note from it however was that the female did admit to having consensual sex with artis the morning after.
Yes, She also said thought that the previous night Artis strong-armed her to stay in the room in which the rape occurred and basically locked her in.
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Confirmed;
@NYPost_Brazille: St. John's will be hosting Oregon transfer Dominic Artis this weekend, per source. #sjubb @GTuckerF150 first to report.
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The one transfer that we shouldn't be touching with a ten foot pole, we invite to campus.... Great
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If this off season is any measure, he is just here for a trip to the City and will sign somewhere else.
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If this off season is any measure, he is just here for a trip to the City and will sign somewhere else.
And all the Kool Aid drinkers will say its not that HE turned us down, its that Steve Lavin didn't deem him worthy enough of joining our sainthood.
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Lavin trying to give school an excuse to fire him?
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Lavin trying to give school an excuse to fire him?
Either that or he thinks he is the second coming of Jarvis.
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If this off season is any measure, he is just here for a trip to the City and will sign somewhere else.
And all the Kool Aid drinkers will say its not that HE turned us down, its that Steve Lavin didn't deem him worthy enough of joining our sainthood.
Are their any Kool Aid Drinkers left?
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this reeks of desperation..
Might as well throw an offer at Brandon Austin as well...
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Jayson Williams. Ron Artest. Sharif Fordham. Grady Reynolds. Abe Keita. Elijah Ingram, Nurideen Lindsey. We're a program that should shut the F up.
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Jayson Williams. Ron Artest. Sharif Fordham. Grady Reynolds. Abe Keita. Elijah Ingram, Nurideen Lindsey. We're a program that should shut the F up.
Why was Nuri included in this list? I'm just unaware of anything he's done that would cause you to compare him to an alleged rapist.
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Why even talk about players who had issues after the left St. John's..?
The bottom line is that this kid should not be at St. John's.... the risk/reward is just not worth it.
As someone posted above, its reeks of desperation.
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Why even talk about players who had issues after the left St. John's..?
The bottom line is that this kid should not be at St. John's.... the risk/reward is just not worth it.
As someone posted above, its reeks of desperation.
Our incoming class has already signed one player with a record. People make mistakes. In regards to this particular situation, how do we know just involved Artis was? If this was Brandon Austin, I'd be more concerned. That kid has been booted from 2 schools in less than a year. In a way, that's impressive.
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Is he a player any of us can root for? I'm disappointed in Lavin.
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Jayson Williams. Ron Artest. Sharif Fordham. Grady Reynolds. Abe Keita. Elijah Ingram, Nurideen Lindsey. We're a program that should shut the F up.
Why was Nuri included in this list? I'm just unaware of anything he's done that would cause you to compare him to an alleged rapist.
I wasn't trying to compare to him to any one person in particular. Just trying to point out that we've had our share of characters. Nurideen didn't rape anyone as far as we know. True, but he clearly has emotional issues. I brought him up because of his poor character. Point is, we loved him in the first two weeks, then we got to know him a little better.
Let's give Artis a chance. No one knows what he's really guilty of, unless you were there.
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Jayson Williams. Ron Artest. Sharif Fordham. Grady Reynolds. Abe Keita. Elijah Ingram, Nurideen Lindsey. We're a program that should shut the F up.
Why was Nuri included in this list? I'm just unaware of anything he's done that would cause you to compare him to an alleged rapist.
I wasn't trying to compare to him to any one person in particular. Just trying to point out that we've had our share of characters. Nurideen didn't rape anyone as far as we know. True, but he clearly has emotional issues. I brought him up because of his poor character. Point is, we loved him in the first two weeks, then we got to know him a little better.
Let's give Artis a chance. No one knows what he's really guilty of, unless you were there.
We know what he's accused of and we know he's too dirty for Oregon. If someone proves none of that stuff is true, then fine, but why put St. John's students at risk?
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Nurideen didn't rape anyone as far as we know. True, but he clearly has emotional issues.
Good point, because committing sexual assault and suffering psychological trauma are pretty much the same thing.
Let's give Stalin a chance. No one knows what he's really guilty of, unless you were there.
Another well thought out argument.
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Why even talk about players who had issues after the left St. John's..?
The bottom line is that this kid should not be at St. John's.... the risk/reward is just not worth it.
As someone posted above, its reeks of desperation.
Precisely
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two words on this topic--NO WAY
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How many years does he have left?
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and we hired this coach on our staff at one point. so please stop with the high and mighty.
http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2013/04/kimani_young_new_u_of_m_assistant_basketball_coach_was_once_busted_with_96_pounds_of_pot.php
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and we hired this coach on our staff at one point. so please stop with the high and mighty.
http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2013/04/kimani_young_new_u_of_m_assistant_basketball_coach_was_once_busted_with_96_pounds_of_pot.php
Kimani is a really good guy, but that hire too was a desperation move by Norm because he wasn't getting good enough recruits at the time. Norm got fired not long thereafter. That the fate that Lavin wants?
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Why even talk about players who had issues after the left St. John's..?
The bottom line is that this kid should not be at St. John's.... the risk/reward is just not worth it.
As someone posted above, its reeks of desperation.
Our incoming class has already signed one player with a record. People make mistakes. In regards to this particular situation, how do we know just involved Artis was? If this was Brandon Austin, I'd be more concerned. That kid has been booted from 2 schools in less than a year. In a way, that's impressive.
Yes, a player who pegged another teenager in the leg with a bb is about all we can withstand. I personally would not have even wanted a sniff of Artis.
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Jayson Williams. Ron Artest. Sharif Fordham. Grady Reynolds. Abe Keita. Elijah Ingram, Nurideen Lindsey. We're a program that should shut the F up.
Why was Nuri included in this list? I'm just unaware of anything he's done that would cause you to compare him to an alleged rapist.
I wasn't trying to compare to him to any one person in particular. Just trying to point out that we've had our share of characters. Nurideen didn't rape anyone as far as we know. True, but he clearly has emotional issues. I brought him up because of his poor character. Point is, we loved him in the first two weeks, then we got to know him a little better.
Let's give Artis a chance. No one knows what he's really guilty of, unless you were there.
We know what he's accused of and we know he's too dirty for Oregon. If someone proves none of that stuff is true, then fine, but why put St. John's students at risk?
The cherry on the top of the rape cake is that Dotson asked her, intoxicated and all, to pay for the cab they went into after sodomozing her in the bathroom. :uglystupid2:
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Good point, because committing sexual assault and suffering psychological trauma are pretty much the same thing.
Allegedly. Which could also mean he didn't commit the assault.I don't think it would be a good idea to bring in a kid with this type of baggaged, but the evidence wasn't even sufficient enough to press charges. Lets not label the kid a rapist.
Innocent until proven guilty, so they say.
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So syracuse players can gang bang an asst coaches wife, and mr. wonderful jimmy b can stand up for him when he's accused of having inappropirete contact with young kids. Somehow i think a lot of these posters live in a fantasy world, i really don't think most want to admit it but there are probably things that go on in EVERY program that if you dig deep enough would make for headlines.
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Innocent until proven guilty. I'd take what we can get at this point...
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@NYPost_Brazille: I'm told the Dominic Artis visit to St John's began yesterday and is going very well. #sjubb
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@NYPost_Brazille: On Dominic Artis told he will take a few more visits and St John's higher ups would have to sign off on him, which has yet to happen. #sjubb
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Good point, because committing sexual assault and suffering psychological trauma are pretty much the same thing.
Allegedly. Which could also mean he didn't commit the assault.I don't think it would be a good idea to bring in a kid with this type of baggaged, but the evidence wasn't even sufficient enough to press charges. Lets not label the kid a rapist.
Innocent until proven guilty, so they say.
If you think he was the rapist, you didn't read the article. Artis is NOT the accused rapist. His supposed role was that he assisted in strong-arming the woman and keeping her locked in the room as his teammate was assaulting her.
And while the charges were dropped, the evidence and smoke around the case was sufficient enough for Oregon to boot him out of school (and it ain't easy to be kicked out of Oregon) and for him to not be seriously recruited by any other high-major programs despite his talent (Cal has shown interest in him but has not offered to this point). And as mentioned earlier, he has additional history as he was dumb enough to sell his team sneakers on eBay which is an NCAA violation. While I think it should be completely legal by NCAA rules to profit off of your own gear, the fact that he did this publicly is just another hint as to what his decision making skills, or lack thereof, are like.
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Jayson Williams. Ron Artest. Sharif Fordham. Grady Reynolds. Abe Keita. Elijah Ingram, Nurideen Lindsey. We're a program that should shut the F up.
Why was Nuri included in this list? I'm just unaware of anything he's done that would cause you to compare him to an alleged rapist.
I wasn't trying to compare to him to any one person in particular. Just trying to point out that we've had our share of characters. Nurideen didn't rape anyone as far as we know. True, but he clearly has emotional issues. I brought him up because of his poor character. Point is, we loved him in the first two weeks, then we got to know him a little better.
Let's give Artis a chance. No one knows what he's really guilty of, unless you were there.
We know what he's accused of and we know he's too dirty for Oregon. If someone proves none of that stuff is true, then fine, but why put St. John's students at risk?
One reason: Because if he'd been convicted of a crime that serious, he'd be in jail. Kind of like when Jayson Williams shot and killed a man.
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Good point, because committing sexual assault and suffering psychological trauma are pretty much the same thing.
Allegedly. Which could also mean he didn't commit the assault.I don't think it would be a good idea to bring in a kid with this type of baggaged, but the evidence wasn't even sufficient enough to press charges. Lets not label the kid a rapist.
Innocent until proven guilty, so they say.
I didn't say anything about anyone being a rapist. I objected to Nurideen Lindsey being compared to a rapist or to the list of former SJ players who went on to thugs and felons. I didn't comment on Artis at all.
Other than that you make your usual salient points.
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Good point, because committing sexual assault and suffering psychological trauma are pretty much the same thing.
Allegedly. Which could also mean he didn't commit the assault.I don't think it would be a good idea to bring in a kid with this type of baggaged, but the evidence wasn't even sufficient enough to press charges. Lets not label the kid a rapist.
Innocent until proven guilty, so they say.
I didn't say anything about anyone being a rapist. I objected to Nurideen Lindsey being compared to a rapist or to the list of former SJ players who went on to thugs and felons. I didn't comment on Artis at all.
Other than that you make your usual salient points.
Fair enough. A lousy comparison. Noted.
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kid is a stud, sign him up. And for all you posters bashing this young man as if you were there with him in oregon when this "Alleged" incident occurred whats the girls credibility in all this? have you guys read the accounts? even her own friends admits to her being coherent and consensual. i hate gullible, take everything with a grain a salt and investigate on your own before falling prey to the headlines. its not desperation when the kid can actually play.
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Whether or not he committed assault that night is next to irrelevant, his actions that night show very poor judgment and evince questionable character, and this is in addition to his prior incident when he was disciplined for selling team equipment on eBay.
Everyone can stop with the "innocent until proven guilty", this isn't a courtroom You don't need to be guilty beyond a reasonable doubt for a coach to conclude that you don't have the values he's looking for.
I say pass. As much as I criticize him, Lavin is a good enough recruiter to find a player of similar caliber, but who conducts himself more appropriately.
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and we hired this coach on our staff at one point. so please stop with the high and mighty.
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http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2013/04/kimani_young_new_u_of_m_assistant_basketball_coach_was_once_busted_with_96_pounds_of_pot.php (http://blogs.citypages.com/blotter/2013/04/kimani_young_new_u_of_m_assistant_basketball_coach_was_once_busted_with_96_pounds_of_pot.php)
Kimani is a really good guy, but that hire too was a desperation move by Norm because he wasn't getting good enough recruits at the time. Norm got fired not long thereafter. That the fate that Lavin wants?[/quote
Yet he is now at Minn with young Pitino, does that lack desperation? in this life, if you can make a team better no matter what the past history, you sign them up. It is what it is.
AI got into Gtown with his past, right or wrong about it is about winning.
Ray Lewis-killed a man but the best middle linebacker EVER.
stop being all high and mighty folks......
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Jayson Williams. Ron Artest. Sharif Fordham. Grady Reynolds. Abe Keita. Elijah Ingram, Nurideen Lindsey. We're a program that should shut the F up.
Why was Nuri included in this list? I'm just unaware of anything he's done that would cause you to compare him to an alleged rapist.
Why would Williams or Artest be on the list...they did nothing wrong while at SJ
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No question assuming they take him this is risky. If it were me I would probably pass.
I can say this though SJU and Lavin have done and are doing everything in terms of investigating the charges and doing due diligence. Everything. You can bet if he does get admitted to SJU (not definite by any means) SJU would have done everything possible to make sure they were comfortable. Now does that mean everyone is on board or is going to be satisfied? Of course not. That makes it a risk.
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Good point, because committing sexual assault and suffering psychological trauma are pretty much the same thing.
Allegedly. Which could also mean he didn't commit the assault.I don't think it would be a good idea to bring in a kid with this type of baggaged, but the evidence wasn't even sufficient enough to press charges. Lets not label the kid a rapist.
Innocent until proven guilty, so they say.
If you think he was the rapist, you didn't read the article. Artis is NOT the accused rapist. His supposed role was that he assisted in strong-arming the woman and keeping her locked in the room as his teammate was assaulting her.
And while the charges were dropped, the evidence and smoke around the case was sufficient enough for Oregon to boot him out of school (and it ain't easy to be kicked out of Oregon) and for him to not be seriously recruited by any other high-major programs despite his talent (Cal has shown interest in him but has not offered to this point). And as mentioned earlier, he has additional history as he was dumb enough to sell his team sneakers on eBay which is an NCAA violation. While I think it should be completely legal by NCAA rules to profit off of your own gear, the fact that he did this publicly is just another hint as to what his decision making skills, or lack thereof, are like.
I guess PAC-12 doesn't preclude transfer intra-conference...
I think if we're being honest, if our recent results were better and recruiting outlook was more positive, this recruit would be questioned by most, if not, all
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"Artis is among a number of guards St. John’s is focusing on for its 2015 class. Others include Brandon Sampson of Baton Rouge, La., and point guard Isaiah Briscoe of Roselle (N.J.) Catholic. A source said landing Artis would preclude St. John’s from landing Briscoe, one of the highest-ranked guards in the country, who is also being recruited by a number of elite programs, such as Syracuse, Louisville and Arizona, in addition to locals Seton Hall and Rutgers."
entire article;
http://nypost.com/2014/06/20/red-storm-giving-a-look-to-oregon-transfer-ousted-in-sex-case/ (http://nypost.com/2014/06/20/red-storm-giving-a-look-to-oregon-transfer-ousted-in-sex-case/)
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Wonder if Zach meant would NOT preclude and forgot to add that word.
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Wonder if Zach meant would NOT preclude and forgot to add that word.
Funny, I just reached out to him on that. Awaiting a response.
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Jayson Williams. Ron Artest. Sharif Fordham. Grady Reynolds. Abe Keita. Elijah Ingram, Nurideen Lindsey. We're a program that should shut the F up.
Why was Nuri included in this list? I'm just unaware of anything he's done that would cause you to compare him to an alleged rapist.
Why would Williams or Artest be on the list...they did nothing wrong while at SJ
Because whether we want to admit it or not, they are two of the highest profile players we've ever had, and they represent the school. What are they most known for?
Seriously, between St.John's and Seton Hall we could fill a prison.
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Zach doesn't make many mistakes so I'm going to assume it's true. Briscoe is going to be very tough to land, and now with Arizona back involved? That's an uphill battle. I have always loved the idea of a transfer stepping in for 2015 but I'm very torn on this.
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Zach doesn't make many mistakes so I'm going to assume it's true. Briscoe is going to be very tough to land, and now with Arizona back involved? That's an uphill battle. I have always loved the idea of a transfer stepping in for 2015 but I'm very torn on this.
I just spoke with Zach & he noted typo in article. He meant to say recruiting Artis "DID NOT" preclude getting Briscoe.
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Zach doesn't make many mistakes so I'm going to assume it's true. Briscoe is going to be very tough to land, and now with Arizona back involved? That's an uphill battle. I have always loved the idea of a transfer stepping in for 2015 but I'm very torn on this.
It was a typo, an editing error. Those happen all the time. A mistake would be saying SJU being involved with a recruit and it turned out to be false. This was a grammatical error period.
SJU is very much involved with Briscoe...hate to disappoint you...LOL
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Jayson Williams. Ron Artest. Sharif Fordham. Grady Reynolds. Abe Keita. Elijah Ingram, Nurideen Lindsey. We're a program that should shut the F up.
Why was Nuri included in this list? I'm just unaware of anything he's done that would cause you to compare him to an alleged rapist.
Why would Williams or Artest be on the list...they did nothing wrong while at SJ
Unless you count Williams throwing a chair into the stands during a game at Providence for which he was charged with a felony.
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That's a tough player description to use for Artis. Jayson Williams has given back to this school. should his name always end with convicted manslaughter? Marcus Hatten or Willie Shaw, marijuana smokers?
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That's a tough player description to use for Artis. Jayson Williams has given back to this school. should his name always end with convicted manslaughter? Marcus Hatten or Willie Shaw, marijuana smokers?
What did Marcus Hatten ever do to anyone? He smoked pot? Who the F cares? If anyone thinks that's a crime he should punished for you should beaten with a baseball bat. That, actually, is a crime.
And yes, Williams will not ever lose the manslaughter thing. People are really hung up on it I guess.
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That's a tough player description to use for Artis. Jayson Williams has given back to this school. should his name always end with convicted manslaughter? Marcus Hatten or Willie Shaw, marijuana smokers?
What did Marcus Hatten ever do to anyone? He smoked pot? Who the F cares? If anyone thinks that's a crime he should punished for you should beaten with a baseball bat. That, actually, is a crime.
Even if bat is for medicinal purposes?
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That's a tough player description to use for Artis. Jayson Williams has given back to this school. should his name always end with convicted manslaughter? Marcus Hatten or Willie Shaw, marijuana smokers?
What did Marcus Hatten ever do to anyone? He smoked pot? Who the F cares? If anyone thinks that's a crime he should punished for you should beaten with a baseball bat. That, actually, is a crime.
Even if bat is for medicinal purposes?
I guess it depends on who you're hitting with it, and if they were asking for it or not.
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That's a tough player description to use for Artis. Jayson Williams has given back to this school. should his name always end with convicted manslaughter? Marcus Hatten or Willie Shaw, marijuana smokers?
What did Marcus Hatten ever do to anyone? He smoked pot? Who the F cares? If anyone thinks that's a crime he should punished for you should beaten with a baseball bat. That, actually, is a crime.
Even if bat is for medicinal purposes?
I guess it depends on who you're hitting with it, and if they were asking for it or not.
HaHa
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Any chance he becomes eligible for next season? Transferring to be close to his ill rape victim?
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Some guys that have been booted from schools have gotten waivers to play right away.
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well enough of this kid's sex life, the real question will become those athletics shoes issued by the u that he sold. Shoes may grow on trees at Oregon but at SJU they cost
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The posts in this thread are pretty good indicators why this recruitment is a sad mistake.
Has Mike Jarvis invaded Lavin's brain?
This is starting to feel like 2003.
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I hope a lot of these posters children walk on water, god forbid they get accused of something, lol this has become a joke. damed if you do damed if you don't
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If, upon his commitment, DA comes out and says something like this, I don't see how the admin says no
"In my time at Oregon, I made some poor decisions which has put college basketball into perspective. Coach Lavin is giving me a second chance, and with his help, I will mature as a man, as a student, and as a basketball player. I am deeply sorry for past transgressions and vow to be a positive contributor to the St. John's community as I pursue my degree in New York."
This one is tricky but he would be a great fit in my opinion. I hope it works out
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I hope a lot of these posters children walk on water, god forbid they get accused of something, lol this has become a joke. damed if you do damed if you don't
Erick, it has nothing to do with our children.
It's has everything to do with the bad press - well deserved or not - that comes along with it. St John's sits in a city that has sports writers who don't look the other way. In fact, they look to write about this side of college sports.
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That's a tough player description to use for Artis. Jayson Williams has given back to this school. should his name always end with convicted manslaughter? Marcus Hatten or Willie Shaw, marijuana smokers?
What did Marcus Hatten ever do to anyone? He smoked pot? Who the F cares? If anyone thinks that's a crime he should punished for you should beaten with a baseball bat. That, actually, is a crime.
And yes, Williams will not ever lose the manslaughter thing. People are really hung up on it I guess.
**A little off topic...
Last I checked Jayson Williams was not convicted of manslaughter or even attempted manslaughter.
He was convicted of trying to cover up an accidently shooting, of which he was guilty.
Listen - Jayson has had his problems and dealt with more in life then most should have to in some respects but anyone who has known him or had true interaction with him knows he is good, generous man who is paying dearly for the mistake he made in life.
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**A little off topic...
Last I checked Jayson Williams was not convicted of manslaughter or even attempted manslaughter.
He was convicted of trying to cover up an accidently shooting, of which he was guilty.
He pled guilty to aggravated assault.
Listen - Jayson has had his problems and dealt with more in life then most should have to in some respects but anyone who has known him or had true interaction with him knows he is good, generous man who is paying dearly for the mistake he made in life.
No one more than me appreciates your obsequiousness in the face of anyone famous who's ever shaken your hand or nodded to you in a hallway, but it's mistakes plural Williams has made: assaults, gun charges, DWI. The guy shot his own dog. At best he's mentally ill and at worst he's a menace to society.
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That's a tough player description to use for Artis. Jayson Williams has given back to this school. should his name always end with convicted manslaughter? Marcus Hatten or Willie Shaw, marijuana smokers?
What did Marcus Hatten ever do to anyone? He smoked pot? Who the F cares? If anyone thinks that's a crime he should punished for you should beaten with a baseball bat. That, actually, is a crime.
And yes, Williams will not ever lose the manslaughter thing. People are really hung up on it I guess.
**A little off topic...
Last I checked Jayson Williams was not convicted of manslaughter or even attempted manslaughter.
He was convicted of trying to cover up an accidently shooting, of which he was guilty.
Listen - Jayson has had his problems and dealt with more in life then most should have to in some respects but anyone who has known him or had true interaction with him knows he is good, generous man who is paying dearly for the mistake he made in life.
I like Jayson too. And I'm well aware of everything he's been through. But as tragic as all of that is, don't you think it's still out of line and unbelievably hypocritical for any STJ to condemn Artis for being associated w a sexual assault?
He wasn't even guilty. As far I am concerned, he's welcome here. I'm sure there are plenty of STJ students who have done much worse. Heck, we've had faculty that have done much worse.
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Jayson Williams killed someone and then tried to cover it up. It is an absolute abomination that he isn't in jail for decades, especially when he has a record and St. John's should distance themselves as much as possible from him. I don't care how personable he is when he has drinks with alumni and boosters.
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So, fill me in here, This Artis kid was never charged with anything, correct?
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Back to the topic...
St. John's should stay far far away from this kid.
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I think they will check him out very thoroughly . If we take him . I don't expect a problem. We don't want any issues . The school absolutely doesn't want any issues
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"The University of Oregon has found Dominic Artis, Brandon Austin and Damyean Dotson responsible for sexual misconduct and all three players will be removed from campus for up to 10 years, according to a report from The Huffington Post."
http://wp.me/p1aWjM-265s (http://wp.me/p1aWjM-265s)
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"The University of Oregon has found Dominic Artis, Brandon Austin and Damyean Dotson responsible for sexual misconduct and all three players will be removed from campus for up to 10 years, according to a report from The Huffington Post."
http://wp.me/p1aWjM-265s (http://wp.me/p1aWjM-265s)
Wonder what would happen if the school he goes to has an away game at Oregon in 15-16 or 16-17
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"The University of Oregon has found Dominic Artis, Brandon Austin and Damyean Dotson responsible for sexual misconduct and all three players will be removed from campus for up to 10 years, according to a report from The Huffington Post."
http://wp.me/p1aWjM-265s (http://wp.me/p1aWjM-265s)
Look if these kids are guilty then they should be hung up by their you know whats. But this report from Oregon is a joke, it is purely self serving and allows them to "punish" kids who are never going to that school or will ever be on campus anyway.
It is a joke. If Oregon wanted to do something real they could have done something months ago. Oregon and the administration handled this in a disastrous way and now they are trying to save face.
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"The University of Oregon has found Dominic Artis, Brandon Austin and Damyean Dotson responsible for sexual misconduct and all three players will be removed from campus for up to 10 years, according to a report from The Huffington Post."
http://wp.me/p1aWjM-265s (http://wp.me/p1aWjM-265s)
Look if these kids are guilty then they should be hung up by their you know whats. But this report from Oregon is a joke, it is purely self serving and allows them to "punish" kids who are never going to that school or will ever be on campus anyway.
It is a joke. If Oregon wanted to do something real they could have done something months ago. Oregon and the administration handled this in a disastrous way and now they are trying to save face.
No doubt Oregon handled this disgracefully.
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Altman should be fired for the way he handled this mess.
Jury is still out on how I feel about us involved with Artis. I read the police report back when it first was dropped, due to being a pac-12 dude by locale, and also due to the Oregon recruiting i witnessed Brandon Austin dropping on Sheed.
Artis was the least involved as the other two, in that it seemed form the report the girl always wanted Artis, the other two just kind of "got in where they fit in" for lack of a better word.
Case remains the same, of all the transfers, i find it interesting Lavin got his name in on this one.
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Altman should be fired for the way he handled this mess.
Jury is still out on how I feel about us involved with Artis. I read the police report back when it first was dropped, due to being a pac-12 dude by locale, and also due to the Oregon recruiting i witnessed Brandon Austin dropping on Sheed.
Artis was the least involved as the other two, in that it seemed form the report the girl always wanted Artis, the other two just kind of "got in where they fit in" for lack of a better word.
Case remains the same, of all the transfers, i find it interesting Lavin got his name in on this one.
you know you just can't wait to change your handle to Dominik Artisticles
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http://nypost.com/2014/06/23/ex-school-finds-st-johns-target-guilty-of-sexual-misconduct-report/ (http://nypost.com/2014/06/23/ex-school-finds-st-johns-target-guilty-of-sexual-misconduct-report/)
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Whatever St. John's decides, I'll support.. They are obviously doing their due diligence and are investigating the case , and know far more than anyone here... Let's take it easy with the moral high-ground here... He wasn't charged with anything.. This banning from Oregon campus thing is a way of that school trying to act like they care.....way after the fact..
Duke lacrosse anyone?
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Whatever St. John's decides, I'll support.. They are obviously doing their due diligence and are investigating the case , and know far more than anyone here... Let's take it easy with the moral high-ground here... He wasn't charged with anything.. This banning from Oregon campus thing is a way of that school trying to act like they care.....way after the fact..
Duke lacrosse anyone?
Boo, he doesn't have to be guilty for it to be misconduct and the kind of bad judgment you don't want on your team. Getting a scholarship to play basketball here is a privilege, it should go to guys who deserve it.
And, as someone on RM pointed out, there is a 20pg investigation available online, plus an analysis by the prosecutor explaining why charges weren't filed. There is plenty of information available to us.
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I read the majority of the investigation online..While it is quite disturbing , there are a ton of holes in the story and the "Survivor"...If there wasn't, these kids would be in a lot more trouble than being banned from Eugene for 4 years.. I'm not defending the actions, I'm just saying, If the school ( STJ) decides to let him in, I won't throw my hands in the air and feign outrage...
I knew a couple of the families involved in the Duke Lacrosse scandal and know how a rush to judgement is bad.. Did you read that police report? Pretty scathing also..
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Harrison gets suspended for eye rolling, Obepka get a pass for refusing to enter a game and now we are recruiting Darren Sharper. Bit of a mixed message going on with this program. Personally I say bring him on just to see the names he gets called on here the first time he shoots 0-5.
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Most schools that have a conscious, rarely make the tournament. If this kid makes this a better team, go get him. Let's not pretend College basketball is righteous
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Most schools that have a conscious, rarely make the tournament. If this kid makes this a better team, go get him. Let's not pretend College basketball is righteous
Let him play for the Gaels.
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Most schools that have a conscious, rarely make the tournament. If this kid makes this a better team, go get him. Let's not pretend College basketball is righteous
Oh it is you don't worry he'll probably windup at Iona
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Most schools that have a conscious, rarely make the tournament. If this kid makes this a better team, go get him. Let's not pretend College basketball is righteous
Oh it is you don't worry he'll probably windup at Iona
And you can watch him play in March
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Most schools that have a conscious, rarely make the tournament. If this kid makes this a better team, go get him. Let's not pretend College basketball is righteous
Oh it is you don't worry he'll probably windup at Iona
And you can watch him play in March
ouch
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Not sure what the big deal here is with this kid. So, he's accused of sexual misconduct. So what? The Catholic Church has long since overlooked such transgressions. Heck, the pastor of my former church was accused of sexual misconduct (and he probably did everything he was accused of), and all he got was a transfer to another parish. So, in keeping with the tradition of the Catholic Church, let's give this young man another chance to serve the community (at least the SJU community). :angel:
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I was just contacted by Monasch who indicated SJU is no longer recruiting Artis.
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@AdamZagoria: St. John’s Pulls Out of Dominic Artis Recruitment http://t.co/pFp5pDBTeG (http://t.co/pFp5pDBTeG)
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@AdamZagoria: St. John’s Pulls Out of Dominic Artis Recruitment http://t.co/pFp5pDBTeG (http://t.co/pFp5pDBTeG)
Couldn't AZ have been a little more sensitive and used a different descriptive phrase than "pulls out"? :-\
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I don't understand why Lavin invited DA to an official before getting getting the okay by admin to offer this kid. This ultimately cost the school money and resulted in some unnecessary bad press. Poor planning.
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Most schools that have a conscious, rarely make the tournament. If this kid makes this a better team, go get him. Let's not pretend College basketball is righteous
That is too broad of a statement to apply here. Many schools have "scandals", but there is a big difference between a team where a player doesn't make the grades, a player who gets caught smoking weed in his dorm, and a program actively recruiting a player the whole country knows gangbanged a drunk chick with his teammates.
Not every school recruits guys like this.
This was an ill advised adventure on many levels. Optics, team chemistry, fan support, religious values etc.
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I don't understand why Lavin invited DA to an official before getting getting the okay by admin to offer this kid. This ultimately cost the school money and resulted in some unnecessary bad press. Poor planning.
I know, it's almost as if he's throwing shit against the wall this summer trying to land any transfer he can....
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Most schools that have a conscious, rarely make the tournament. If this kid makes this a better team, go get him. Let's not pretend College basketball is righteous
That is too broad of a statement to apply here. Many schools have "scandals", but there is a big difference between a team where a player doesn't make the grades, a player who gets caught smoking weed in his dorm, and a program actively recruiting a player the whole country knows gangbanged a drunk chick with his teammates.
Not every school recruits guys like this.
This was an ill advised adventure on many levels. Optics, team chemistry, fan support, religious values etc.
Why you suppose religious values didn't get Grady Reynolds expelled for assualt? STJ backed off this kid, but let's not kid ourselves, our program is far more known for producing thugs than stand up people.
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I don't understand why Lavin invited DA to an official before getting getting the okay by admin to offer this kid. This ultimately cost the school money and resulted in some unnecessary bad press. Poor planning.
Huh? I assume they wanted to meet the kid first and talk to him.. No one was going to say it's ok to offer before bringing him in, that's crazy... Bad press? What bad press? The school ultimately decided against it.. Not following this line of thinking.. Sounds like more of the " everything Lavin does sucks" mentality.
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Most schools that have a conscious, rarely make the tournament. If this kid makes this a better team, go get him. Let's not pretend College basketball is righteous
That is too broad of a statement to apply here. Many schools have "scandals", but there is a big difference between a team where a player doesn't make the grades, a player who gets caught smoking weed in his dorm, and a program actively recruiting a player the whole country knows gangbanged a drunk chick with his teammates.
Not every school recruits guys like this.
This was an ill advised adventure on many levels. Optics, team chemistry, fan support, religious values etc.
Why you suppose religious values didn't get Grady Reynolds expelled for assualt? STJ backed off this kid, but let's not kid ourselves, our program is far more known for producing thugs than stand up people.
It's true, but it doesn't mean it has to be that way forever. Moments like this are where you either stand by your values or toss them aside.
I'm glad SJU is looking elsewhere for a pg.
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Most schools that have a conscious, rarely make the tournament. If this kid makes this a better team, go get him. Let's not pretend College basketball is righteous
That is too broad of a statement to apply here. Many schools have "scandals", but there is a big difference between a team where a player doesn't make the grades, a player who gets caught smoking weed in his dorm, and a program actively recruiting a player the whole country knows gangbanged a drunk chick with his teammates.
Not every school recruits guys like this.
This was an ill advised adventure on many levels. Optics, team chemistry, fan support, religious values etc.
Why you suppose religious values didn't get Grady Reynolds expelled for assualt? STJ backed off this kid, but let's not kid ourselves, our program is far more known for producing thugs than stand up people.
It's true, but it doesn't mean it has to be that way forever. Moments like this are where you either stand by your values or toss them aside.
I'm glad SJU is looking elsewhere for a pg.
What values? Every coach we've had has recruited thugs. Truth is, look around the BE, we're not alone. Judging a player on what may or may not have happened elsewhere is a pretty gray area IMO. Lavin had had a rep here for bringing in talented players that have attitudes problems.
Norm's rep was the he was squeaky clean, but he still took Aaron Spears, and he was still willing to let Derwin Kitchen into school. 3 years later, he needed players to save his job, and not only was Lance Stephenson recruited hard, his past was ignored entirely.
The game is too competitive for STJ to be so high and mighty. I'm just puzzled as to why they're starting with this kid? If he was such a risk, why even bring him onto your campus?
Just an irresponsible and obscenely wild guess, but it sounds to me like Coach asked mom and dad, and they said no.
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I don't understand why Lavin invited DA to an official before getting getting the okay by admin to offer this kid. This ultimately cost the school money and resulted in some unnecessary bad press. Poor planning.
Huh? I assume they wanted to meet the kid first and talk to him.. No one was going to say it's ok to offer before bringing him in, that's crazy... Bad press? What bad press? The school ultimately decided against it.. Not following this line of thinking.. Sounds like more of the " everything Lavin does sucks" mentality.
Not at all, I'm actually a big Lavin fan. I love the caliber of recruits he's brought in so far and I think the program is generally heading in the right direction. This was just one move that had me shaking my head in curiosity. You think the school admin was going to legitimately consider offering this kid a scholarship but then met him and changed their mind? I have a hard time believing that. I think the two nypost stories highlighting his past history of sexual assault along with the detailed report of the incident itself, Oregon banning him from campus, and the St John's fan base's predominantly pessimistic attitude abt bringing him here (as evidenced on this site) was enough for the admin to say no thank you. I think they should have had the foresight to see that coming.
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I don't understand why Lavin invited DA to an official before getting getting the okay by admin to offer this kid. This ultimately cost the school money and resulted in some unnecessary bad press. Poor planning.
Huh? I assume they wanted to meet the kid first and talk to him.. No one was going to say it's ok to offer before bringing him in, that's crazy... Bad press? What bad press? The school ultimately decided against it.. Not following this line of thinking.. Sounds like more of the " everything Lavin does sucks" mentality.
Not at all, I'm actually a big Lavin fan. I love the caliber of recruits he's brought in so far and I think the program is generally heading in the right direction. This was just one move that had me shaking my head in curiosity. You think the school admin was going to legitimately consider offering this kid a scholarship but then met him and changed their mind? I have a hard time believing that. I think the two nypost stories highlighting his past history of sexual assault along with the detailed report of the incident itself, Oregon banning him from campus, and the St John's fan base's predominantly pessimistic attitude abt bringing him here (as evidenced on this site) was enough for the admin to say no thank you. I think they should have had the foresight to see that coming.
I agree with everything you said.. I just don't think any harm was done by bringing him in, talking to him..etc... I support the decision that was ultimately made.. They did their due diligence and decided it wouldn't be a good move.. Part of that is meeting the kid again.. That was all.
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No inside info but Lavin could've been doing a favor for whoever Artis's recruiting handler is out west.
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I think there was some harm done here.
Because I think the staff brought a kid in for a visit and then found out from the AD and/or prez that they couldn't continue to recruit him.
When the school has to put out an announcement that they're not recruiting someone any longer, it's already too big of a story. Not to mention it shows a staff disconnected from the rest of the university.
4 of our players transferred, left, or considered transferring after the season.
With five open scholarships we brought in one out-of-shape (and possibly ineligible) local big man, and a juco with an assault record. Plus walkons.
The staff threw an offer to practically every transfer available this year, from skinny combo forwards to point guards to reserve centers, from fifth year seniors to sophomores, and from every corner of the country to queens products coming home. We landed none.
Now the staff entertains a kid wrapped up in rape allegations and who admittedly sold equipment online - and seemingly has the rug pulled out from under them by the school's higherups, who want no part of this recruit.
Then the staff apparently engages in a pissing fight w a fan close to the program, because they're worried for their jobs and he brought attention to the questionable recruit they were pursuing.
Does any of this sound like an off season going according to plan?
This isn't a regurgitation of the "I hate lavin" platform, these are new developments that have nothing to do with how we opened conference play, Hooper taking inbounds passes, or the RMU disaster.
We are all trying to put last season behind us, but let's be honest - this isn't the off season we were looking for. When is it fair to question this program's leadership? If we open with losses in the nit? If Briscoe and diallo pop for Arizona and kentucky?
The Lavin supporters said he's entitled to more time, and that things would move in the right direction, well as time passes I just see more questionable decisions.
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Maybe I missed it, but what are you talking about re: the staff getting in a pissing match with a fan close to the program?
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Desco- you are re-hashing the same stuff. I understand.. You want a change...
No matter how you spin it, I can't see how any harm was done by looking into the Artis situation.. Sorry.. I just don't.
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When does the season start? This off season stuff needs to end soon.
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Desco- you are re-hashing the same stuff. I understand.. You want a change...
No matter how you spin it, I can't see how any harm was done by looking into the Artis situation.. Sorry.. I just don't.
You're right, I do want a change, and you don't think it's necessary. We all know that.
But objectively, these are new items.
You can agree or disagree that they are indicative of a problem, but did I mention in - game strategy? Player development? Starting lineups? No. And that's what has been argued ad naseum.
The Artis thing is new. The staff yelling at maven is new. How they were rejected by every possible transfer is new. And, the 2014 class we've signed is a new issue because most of us said let's wait and see what it ends up looking like.
So Boo, you might not like what I'm saying, but I'm not repeating the same old posts.
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Maybe I missed it, but what are you talking about re: the staff getting in a pissing match with a fan close to the program?
Maven was pretty aggressive on twitter saying it was a bad idea for sju to pursue Artis. Based on what he's been tweeting, it looks like the staff reached out to him and complained that he was making tthem look bad and endangering their jobs.
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Maybe I missed it, but what are you talking about re: the staff getting in a pissing match with a fan close to the program?
Maven was pretty aggressive on twitter saying it was a bad idea for sju to pursue Artis. Based on what he's been tweeting, it looks like the staff reached out to him and complained that he was making tthem look bad and endangering their jobs.
Desco, I'm with you on almost everything you said in your first post, but Maven is a complete clown and coward who wouldn't even include #sjubb or @SJUCoachLavin in any of his twitter rant. That is the very definition of being too much of a bitch/coward to say anything to someones face, OVER THE INTERNET. It's not even like saying it to someones face, it's like writing it in a letter and he was still too much of a bitch to do that, so he signed it anonymously. I don't really know if you could find a better definition of a bitch.
I could give a shit less what that little bitch says. He is hiding behind his keyboard, slinging mud at people's backs, absolutely pathetic.
Other than you giving him any credit, great post, and I agree with just about everything you said. You spun the transfer thing a little hard, when we had one player declare and another transfer (are you really disappointed we lost Hooper??????) and they happened to be best friends and roommates., but other than that, spot on.
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I think there was some harm done here.
The only harm done was creating 6 wasted pages of posts for the 25 fans on this board.
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I was just referring to the Artis situation. Looking into it did no harm. I stick by that.
I know nothing about this Maven guy, nor do I care. I've had my own run ins with stjbb and Lavin, big deal.
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I agree with everything you said.. I just don't think any harm was done by bringing him in, talking to him..etc... I support the decision that was ultimately made.. They did their due diligence and decided it wouldn't be a good move.. Part of that is meeting the kid again.. That was all.
They didn't decide anything, Lavin would have taken the kid if he could have.
The school made it very clear that this kid was not coming to SJU
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I don't think there was harm done to Lavin's rep in basketball circles -- he never got too far along in the process with Artis to have done that. And he can tell the Soldiers that he tried; if anything, any relationship with them has been enhanced.
I think the harm comes internally -- the administration thinking lavin is an idiot who doesn't care about women's safety. But that's really only a problem if you are a Lavin lover. If you hate him, be happy. Because if there was any noose at all around his neck, it just got tighter.
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Guess he can be moved to 15;
@JucoRecruiting: St. John's (Lavin) was in last week to watch Dominic Artis (sitting out at Diablo Valley CC). St. Mary's and San Fran have also been in
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“@NYPost_Brazille: @TheoRabinowitz @RedStormHoopsFa @SammyAlbano let's see how it plays out haven't heard they are recruiting kid may have dropped in to say hi”
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JucoRecruiting/status/539887058819751937 (https://mobile.twitter.com/JucoRecruiting/status/539887058819751937)
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JucoRecruiting/status/539887058819751937 (https://mobile.twitter.com/JucoRecruiting/status/539887058819751937)
Been hearing this for a while , posted it in another thread for a couple weeks back. He's ours if administration will pardon him.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JucoRecruiting/status/539887058819751937 (https://mobile.twitter.com/JucoRecruiting/status/539887058819751937)
Been hearing this for a while , posted it in another thread for a couple weeks back. He's ours if administration will pardon him.
would he live in lavin's apt?
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https://mobile.twitter.com/JucoRecruiting/status/539887058819751937 (https://mobile.twitter.com/JucoRecruiting/status/539887058819751937)
Been hearing this for a while , posted it in another thread for a couple weeks back. He's ours if administration will pardon him.
would he live in lavin's apt?
Where would Marillac live then?
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I think we should sign him. Everyone deserves a 2nd chance.
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I think we should sign him. Everyone deserves a 2nd chance.
Not arguing either way on this, but I wonder what SJU President's position is on that.
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This one is tough. I'm in favor of second chances. From what I've read about the case , DA , while not completely without fault, was not the real perpetrator / violent criminal here.
I understands both sides and wouldn't kill the school for either decision.
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Artis should publicly apologize for past transgressions and talk about the measures he has taken to become a better person. If he's genuine, public perception will be different. Apologize, say you'll be a valued member of the St John's community, and thank the university for giving you a second chance. I know I'd feel better about his recruitment that way.
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Artis should publicly apologize for past transgressions and talk about the measures he has taken to become a better person. If he's genuine, public perception will be different. Apologize, say you'll be a valued member of the St John's community, and thank the university for giving you a second chance. I know I'd feel better about his recruitment that way.
In general I agree, but the issue is that artis's "past transgression" puts current students [potentially] at risk. This isn't the same as if he shoplifted before and if he shoplifts again then just cut him, no harm no foul.
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Artis should publicly apologize for past transgressions and talk about the measures he has taken to become a better person. If he's genuine, public perception will be different. Apologize, say you'll be a valued member of the St John's community, and thank the university for giving you a second chance. I know I'd feel better about his recruitment that way.
In general I agree, but the issue is that artis's "past transgression" puts current students [potentially] at risk. This isn't the same as if he shoplifted before and if he shoplifts again then just cut him, no harm no foul.
Completely reasonable point. Tough situation. all things considered, I'd continue to explore ways to make it work.
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John Lucas
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What did he do? Never was aressted . never charged , why shouldn't he play? Heisman trophy qb is playing for his second chpinship .
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What did he do? Never was aressted . never charged , why shouldn't he play? Heisman trophy qb is playing for his second chpinship .
http://media.oregonlive.com/ducks_impact/other/14-04131.pdf
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I'd have no problem with bringing him in.
Would help balance classes as well.
Sign him up!
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I guess Lavins last hope is to bring in Mr.Marcus at the point.
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What did he do? Never was aressted . never charged , why shouldn't he play? Heisman trophy qb is playing for his second chpinship .
http://media.oregonlive.com/ducks_impact/other/14-04131.pdf
How could anyone want this kid on campus after reading that report.?
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That report is really bad. If true he should be in jail. But what if its not true?
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That report is really bad. If true he should be in jail. But what if its not true?
It seems logical to assume our new Pres. will take the "err on the side of caution" approach.
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What did he do? Never was aressted . never charged , why shouldn't he play? Heisman trophy qb is playing for his second chpinship .
http://media.oregonlive.com/ducks_impact/other/14-04131.pdf
How could anyone want this kid on campus after reading that report.?
St.John's has had much worse—and people they've celebrated, too. Does this kid have a history of situations like this? If he doesn't, I'd give him a sec one chance.
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That report is really bad. If true he should be in jail. But what if its not true?
St.John's isn't the judicial system. It is the height of hypocrisy when they attempt to be.
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The DA would have had a hard time to get a conviction with a jury after what I read especially with her getting together with Joe Young the following day.
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What did he do? Never was aressted . never charged , why shouldn't he play? Heisman trophy qb is playing for his second chpinship .
http://media.oregonlive.com/ducks_impact/other/14-04131.pdf
How could anyone want this kid on campus after reading that report.?
St.John's has had much worse—and people they've celebrated, too. Does this kid have a history of situations like this? If he doesn't, I'd give him a sec one chance.
Please do tell what St. John's basketball player has done "much worse" and been celebrated...?
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What did he do? Never was aressted . never charged , why shouldn't he play? Heisman trophy qb is playing for his second chpinship .
http://media.oregonlive.com/ducks_impact/other/14-04131.pdf
How could anyone want this kid on campus after reading that report.?
St.John's has had much worse—and people they've celebrated, too. Does this kid have a history of situations like this? If he doesn't, I'd give him a sec one chance.
Please do tell what St. John's basketball player has done "much worse" and been celebrated...?
Don't ask him, ask Gus Christofi.
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What did he do? Never was aressted . never charged , why shouldn't he play? Heisman trophy qb is playing for his second chpinship .
http://media.oregonlive.com/ducks_impact/other/14-04131.pdf
How could anyone want this kid on campus after reading that report.?
St.John's has had much worse—and people they've celebrated, too. Does this kid have a history of situations like this? If he doesn't, I'd give him a sec one chance.
Please do tell what St. John's basketball player has done "much worse" and been celebrated...?
Don't ask him, ask Gus Christofi.
Yeah Jayson Williams did sooooo much wrong while he was at St. John's.
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What did he do? Never was aressted . never charged , why shouldn't he play? Heisman trophy qb is playing for his second chpinship .
http://media.oregonlive.com/ducks_impact/other/14-04131.pdf
How could anyone want this kid on campus after reading that report.?
St.John's has had much worse—and people they've celebrated, too. Does this kid have a history of situations like this? If he doesn't, I'd give him a sec one chance.
Please do tell what St. John's basketball player has done "much worse" and been celebrated...?
Don't ask him, ask Gus Christofi.
Yeah Jayson Williams did sooooo much wrong while he was at St. John's.
Good point, he only assaulted a fan with a chair while at Saint John's. He didn't murder anyone until he graduated. In any event, that wasn't the question. Good try though.
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Let's use our best judgement and think before hitting 'post' here.
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What did he do? Never was aressted . never charged , why shouldn't he play? Heisman trophy qb is playing for his second chpinship .
http://media.oregonlive.com/ducks_impact/other/14-04131.pdf
How could anyone want this kid on campus after reading that report.?
St.John's has had much worse—and people they've celebrated, too. Does this kid have a history of situations like this? If he doesn't, I'd give him a sec one chance.
Please do tell what St. John's basketball player has done "much worse" and been celebrated...?
I didn't say anything about a basketball player.
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St. John's should be ashamed of itself for bringing out and propping up Jayson Williams at fundraising events (photographed with our new President and Lavin early this fall).
As for Artis, all I'll say is that Lavin's decision to recruit him (and continue to recruit him) has turned a number of important decision-makers and money people at SJU against him and his staff. If he misses the tournament and is ultimately let go or pressured to leave, this could play a decently large factor.
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While every one is entitled to their opinion on Jayson; I believe in the story of the prodigal Son. He has been doing good things without self promoting them. If JC could preach that one should give a sinner another chance, who are we to argue. If Jayson can stay away from the booze, he will make something out of the chaos that was his life.
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While every one is entitled to their opinion on Jayson; I believe in the story of the prodigal Son. He has been doing good things without self promoting them. If JC could preach that one should give a sinner another chance, who are we to argue. If Jayson can stay away from the booze, he will make something out of the chaos that was his life.
The prodigal son didn't shoot his dog.
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While every one is entitled to their opinion on Jayson; I believe in the story of the prodigal Son. He has been doing good things without self promoting them. If JC could preach that one should give a sinner another chance, who are we to argue. If Jayson can stay away from the booze, he will make something out of the chaos that was his life.
How many another chances should he get before society becomes the idiot?
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While every one is entitled to their opinion on Jayson; I believe in the story of the prodigal Son. He has been doing good things without self promoting them. If JC could preach that one should give a sinner another chance, who are we to argue. If Jayson can stay away from the booze, he will make something out of the chaos that was his life.
Calipari actually talked about sinning?
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I guess some people are perfect and have never done anything wrong--congratulations to you. To those who are human and do err, payment for the crime deserves a second chance. Jayson did the time and paid the civil costs. Let him get on with his life. He is trying to find redemption through good works. If that is not enough for you then you have missed something that the Vincentians were teaching.
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I guess some people are perfect and have never done anything wrong--congratulations to you. To those who are human and do err, payment for the crime deserves a second chance. Jayson did the time and paid the civil costs. Let him get on with his life. He is trying to find redemption through good works. If that is not enough for you then you have missed something that the Vincentians were teaching.
LOL. Thanks for that.
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Sign him. The best PG this team would have in years
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I guess some people are perfect and have never done anything wrong--congratulations to you. To those who are human and do err, payment for the crime deserves a second chance. Jayson did the time and paid the civil costs.,...
He actually DIDNT do the time. And he's made the same "mistake" several times. He may deserve to live but St Johns shouldn't be propping him up as one of theirs at University-sponsored events.
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I have met Jayson a couple of times and was always nice to me, that being said doesn't change fact he killed someone and then jumped in the pool right afterwards. He is also lucky he did not spend a lenghty time in prison
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Jayson DID serve time--26 months for the manslaughter and drunk driving charges out of 6 year sentence. He was released early and that only happens for good behavior. since he has gotten out, he has been "quiet" and is keeping sober one day at a time. You don't have to for get the bad times but maybe it is time to forgive the sinner.
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. He was released early and that only happens for good behavior.
No. Sentences are routinely reduced for time served by about a third. They are reduced for not bad behavior, which is not at all the same thing as good behavior.
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@CESPN1: Oregon and HC Dana Altman sued by the alleged victim of the 2014 sexual assault involving 3 ex-Ducks.
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Sued for what? I read the police report. It was really bad, but what was the school or coaches fault?
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I hope this doesn't get in the way of Artis coming to play here next season.
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I hope this doesn't get in the way of Artis coming to play here next season.
+1
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If Lavin is staying bring him in we know he can play
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If Lavin is staying bring him in we know he can play
How good is he?
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What did he do? Never was aressted . never charged , why shouldn't he play? Heisman trophy qb is playing for his second chpinship .
http://media.oregonlive.com/ducks_impact/other/14-04131.pdf
How could anyone want this kid on campus after reading that report.?
St.John's has had much worse—and people they've celebrated, too. Does this kid have a history of situations like this? If he doesn't, I'd give him a sec one chance.
Please do tell what St. John's basketball player has done "much worse" and been celebrated...?
Don't ask him, ask Gus Christofi.
Yeah Jayson Williams did sooooo much wrong while he was at St. John's.
Good point, he only assaulted a fan with a chair while at Saint John's. He didn't murder anyone until he graduated. In any event, that wasn't the question. Good try though.
To my recollection the fan got in the way of the chair by not ducking
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how many years left would he have?
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Sued for what? I read the police report. It was really bad, but what was the school or coaches fault?
Probably something to do with the fact that Austin was accused of doing the same thing at providence and school/coach knew about it (ie same thing if sju brings in artis). Lawsuit might also have something to do with hindering/failing to investigate a la fsu, but that's just a blind guess -- I don't know any of the facts of what happened afterward.
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Common view is SJU administration will not entertain adding Artis, but here is article on civil suit. Brandon Austin's presence at Oregon seems focal point of the litigation.
http://registerguard.com/rg/news/local/32631929-75/story.csp
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Common view is SJU administration will not entertain adding Artis, but here is article on civil suit. Brandon Austin's presence at Oregon seems focal point of the litigation.
http://registerguard.com/rg/news/local/32631929-75/story.csp
You can say this for Brandon Austin, he's consistent.
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The police report reads horribly. Artis has had other problems there but, not on this level. If Lavin is still coach next year I say get him because he is talented and can play the point better than Black Jesus. Artis was a focal contributor in their run to the Sweet 16.