6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => Recruiting Archives => Recruiting => 2014 Class => Topic started by: paultzman on May 01, 2014, 10:13:25 PM
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@JucoRecruiting: Ryan Martin (6'9/F/2014) of South Plains will take an official visit to St. John's this weekend.
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http://www.jucorecruiting.com/south-plains-back-top/ (http://www.jucorecruiting.com/south-plains-back-top/)
http://youtu.be/uINfHyl-8QI (http://youtu.be/uINfHyl-8QI)
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Anything to do with Thomas? Or just another forward because we lost Cunningham?
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Anything to do with Thomas? Or just another forward because we lost Cunningham?
Would be great to get both. We'll see by Monday probably.
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From London, perhaps some eligibility issues ala Sanchez? Kid is certainly an athlete although doesn't look 6'9 in the video. He's got some skill it seems. Some nice dribble moved and some passing ability. I'll leave it to marillac to talk about his lack of form and footwork.
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I like the aggressiveness on both ends
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@NYPost_Brazille: JUCO forward Ryan Martin of South Plains will take official visit to St. John's starting Sat, source said. @JucoRecruiting had first #sjubb
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@NYPost_Brazille: Ryan Martin from London England, attended Bridgton Academy. Averaged 9.8 PPG, 8.6 RPG for South Plains, one of top JUCOs in nation. #sjubb
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Have to hope that sooner or later we will get good news in the recruiting area.
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Kid can dribble, create his own shot and hit it, made some nice passes FWIW, and seems to have a flair for blocking shots. Didn't see much rebounding and no other defensive skills. Do like his energy level, but hard to judge against slower competition. Solid prospect it seems, but are we too late to the table?
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Who better him or Thompson?
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Agree he looks pretty good here. Athletic with long arms and aggressive. I agree that is love to land both Thomas and this kid. We are lean on front court players.
In addition he plays on one of the best JC teams in the country and put up good numbers.
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Kid can dribble, create his own shot and hit it, made some nice passes FWIW, and seems to have a flair for blocking shots. Didn't see much rebounding and no other defensive skills. Do like his energy level, but hard to judge against slower competition. Solid prospect it seems, but are we too late to the table?
Averaged almost nine rebounds per game so has skills in that department. If he averaged 10 and 9 i think we would all be happy.
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Kid can dribble, create his own shot and hit it, made some nice passes FWIW, and seems to have a flair for blocking shots. Didn't see much rebounding and no other defensive skills. Do like his energy level, but hard to judge against slower competition. Solid prospect it seems, but are we too late to the table?
Averaged almost nine rebounds per game so has skills in that department. If he averaged 10 and 9 i think we would all be happy.
Agreed, but the highlight video didn't show him fighting for those tough rebounds (maybe they weren't flashy enough to make the cut).
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Anything to do with Thomas? Or just another forward because we lost Cunningham?
With Thomas leaning toward Fordham, need bodies now
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Anything to do with Thomas? Or just another forward because we lost Cunningham?
With Thomas leaning toward Fordham, need bodies now
Thank you, Baldi. Now I know we're going to get Thomas.
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Anything to do with Thomas? Or just another forward because we lost Cunningham?
With Thomas leaning toward Fordham, need bodies now
Thank you, Baldi. Now I know we're going to get Thomas.
The force is strong with this one
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If he averaged 10 and 9 i think we would all be happy.
Right, this guy no one's heard of before yesterday will come in and average a double double and we'll all be pretty happy.
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http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=5317320 (http://scouthoops.scout.com/a.z?s=75&p=8&c=1&nid=5317320)
3 Star coming out of HS.
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NJIT and Adelphi in the mix as well
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Ryan Martin, a 6’9 forward from South Plains College, will take an official visit to St. John’s this weekend. Martin had a very good showing at the All American Availables Showcase last weekend in Dallas with St. John’s in attendance. He is skilled for his size and has the ability to score the ball in the low post with his back to the basket. Martin has good athletic ability and moves well for his size. He averaged 12 points and 7 rebounds per game at South Plains.
www.jucorecruiting.com/recruiting-roundu...ruiting-news-visits/ (http://www.jucorecruiting.com/recruiting-roundu...ruiting-news-visits/)
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Looks like this kid really plays with a chip on his shoulder. Him and Keith have similar attributes, play with aggression, grit, and are very athletic. If we can add the both of them, we'll suddenly have a frontcourt with an attitude and toughness, something sorely lacking last year.
Don't get me wrong though, Obek plays with a tenacity and is very imposing. He tends to float around the paint and get stuck at the top of they key at times, but with these bodies balancing everything out, hopefully we can play Lav's matchup zone and let our bigs go to work defensively:
PF: CJ/Keith/Ryan
C:Obek/ADR/Joey
That's really a formiddable frontcourt for the Big East or any conference. Add in our loaded backcourt and I think we're in pretty good shape.
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This seems like the kind of recruit that Norm would lose out to in June. And Depaul is the kind of school that beats him. We landed zero transfers, so the 15-16 season could feature Jones, Balamou, DeLaRosa and Jordan. And that's it. Jordan, probably thinks he's NBA ready after two years of college, so that leaves 3 returning players.
I have never heard of Ryan Martin, but it really looks like he's option 6 or 7 at PF so it's hard to get the slightest bit excited about the prospects of him coming here. Why hasn't he been recruited by other high major programs? Probably because he isn't a high major player.
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Looks like this kid really plays with a chip on his shoulder. Him and Keith have similar attributes, play with aggression, grit, and are very athletic. If we can add the both of them, we'll suddenly have a frontcourt with an attitude and toughness, something sorely lacking last year.
Don't get me wrong though, Obek plays with a tenacity and is very imposing. He tends to float around the paint and get stuck at the top of they key at times, but with these bodies balancing everything out, hopefully we can play Lav's matchup zone and let our bigs go to work defensively:
PF: CJ/Keith/Ryan
C:Obek/ADR/Joey
That's really a formiddable frontcourt for the Big East or any conference. Add in our loaded backcourt and I think we're in pretty good shape.
Obekpa floats to the top of the key, because he's coached to do that. It would be great if our coach would stop coaching him to do that.
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Looks like this kid really plays with a chip on his shoulder. Him and Keith have similar attributes, play with aggression, grit, and are very athletic. If we can add the both of them, we'll suddenly have a frontcourt with an attitude and toughness, something sorely lacking last year.
Don't get me wrong though, Obek plays with a tenacity and is very imposing. He tends to float around the paint and get stuck at the top of they key at times, but with these bodies balancing everything out, hopefully we can play Lav's matchup zone and let our bigs go to work defensively:
PF: CJ/Keith/Ryan
C:Obek/ADR/Joey
That's really a formiddable frontcourt for the Big East or any conference. Add in our loaded backcourt and I think we're in pretty good shape.
It is? Obekpa is the only one of the 6 who's ever done anything at this level before. ADR is a project and Joey should be a walk-on.
Thomas seems like a solid role player, but I don't see how an upside kid like Jones, a good role player, and Obekpa makes this a formiddable frontcourt.
Also, it's pretty telling that it's May and our staff is going to JUCO showcases to look for players.
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PF: CJ/Keith/Ryan
C:Obek/ADR/Joey
That's really a formiddable frontcourt for the Big East or any conference. Add in our loaded backcourt and I think we're in pretty good shape.
maybe, do we really have any idea though? None of these guys are projected by any recruiting services to be impact players. Obekpa is fine, but very one dimensional and only showed flashes of an offensive game. The others seem like a crap shoot. Plus, we can only play two at a time, obekpa with any one of the others doesn't get me too excited, though perhaps thomas could turn out to be pretty good (if we get him)
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@NYPost_Brazille: South Plans JUCO coach Hank Plona on Ryan Martin: "He's a four-man that can certainly help at that level." Visits #subb
Always something! :tickedoff:
@NYPost_Brazille: Issue with Ryan Martin is he may only have one year of eligibility. 22 years old. Would need waiver for second year. #sjubb
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The eligibility issue scared teams off, Ryan Martin's coach said. Pittsburgh, Az. St. involved during year. #sjubb watched him last weekend
From Braziller.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Towson and Houston have called on Ryan Martin this week, his coach said. #sjubb
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We don't need him for more than one year anyway, so it's no problem. We need bodies this season.
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Looks like Martin is in, Thomas to Rose Hill
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If we don't get Thomson, even if he has 1 year of eligibility Lavin will have to put the full court press on him, It's late and our options are dwindling.
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Martin seems likely. Not too many folks are aggressively pursuing him. Hopefully Thomas is still in play.
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Yes, baldi
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If he averaged 10 and 9 i think we would all be happy.
Right, this guy no one's heard of before yesterday will come in and average a double double and we'll all be pretty happy.
Belly laugh...thanks
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Looks like Martin is in, Thomas to Rose Hill
I know this is stating the obvious to everyone who reads these boards…. but, your sources SUCK!!! That is all.
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What sources? It's called making shit up.
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credibility is tough to re-establish once you've been shown a fraud....
:Ancient Chinese Proverb:
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Where did I claim sources? Miserable old farts
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What sources? It's called making shit up.
You haven't been credible since....ever
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@NYPost_Brazille: Told the visit with Ryan Martin went well. Not sure how he feels about Keith Thomas commitment for St. John's. #sjubb
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What sources? It's called making shit up.
Holy shnikees!!! You are just figuring that out now????
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@NYPost_Brazille: Told the visit with Ryan Martin went well. Not sure how he feels about Keith Thomas commitment for St. John's. #sjubb
It's not like we are loaded. We have more than enough room. Remember we have no small forwards either so may have to play with two pf's at times.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Told the visit with Ryan Martin went well. Not sure how he feels about Keith Thomas commitment for St. John's. #sjubb
It's not like we are loaded. We have more than enough room. Remember we have no small forwards either so may have to play with two pf's at times.
Plus he can get plenty of minutes backing up CO at center. We could really use this kid because not only does he look athletic but he looks big too which can make up some if he isn't particularly skilled.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Told the visit with Ryan Martin went well. Not sure how he feels about Keith Thomas commitment for St. John's. #sjubb
It's not like we are loaded. We have more than enough room. Remember we have no small forwards either so may have to play with two pf's at times.
Plus he can get plenty of minutes backing up CO at center. We could really use this kid because not only does he look athletic but he looks big too which can make up some if he isn't particularly skilled.
As I commented on the K Thomas thread, it's not about what we need (ie, more front court depth) it's what Martin needs (ie, a lot of guaranteed PT, especially if he has only one year of eligibility left). Thomas' commitment means more competition for pt. Not too complicated to understand his views.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Told the visit with Ryan Martin went well. Not sure how he feels about Keith Thomas commitment for St. John's. #sjubb
It's not like we are loaded. We have more than enough room. Remember we have no small forwards either so may have to play with two pf's at times.
Plus he can get plenty of minutes backing up CO at center. We could really use this kid because not only does he look athletic but he looks big too which can make up some if he isn't particularly skilled.
As I commented on the K Thomas thread, it's not about what we need (ie, more front court depth) it's what Martin needs (ie, a lot of guaranteed PT, especially if he has only one year of eligibility left). Thomas' commitment means more competition for pt. Not too complicated to understand his views.
I agree, you need to look at things from the recruit's perspective.
But at this stage in the game, how mAny schools have a lot of playing time to offer?
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Kid can dribble, create his own shot and hit it, made some nice passes FWIW, and seems to have a flair for blocking shots. Didn't see much rebounding and no other defensive skills. Do like his energy level, but hard to judge against slower competition. Solid prospect it seems, but are we too late to the table?
Averaged almost nine rebounds per game so has skills in that department. If he averaged 10 and 9 i think we would all be happy.
Agreed, but the highlight video didn't show him fighting for those tough rebounds (maybe they weren't flashy enough to make the cut).
Rebounds nearly never make the cut, they are hard work and everyone, unfortunately, would rather see jams, fancy moves etc. Don't remember K. Malone having many fancy moves
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@NYPost_Brazille: Told the visit with Ryan Martin went well. Not sure how he feels about Keith Thomas commitment for St. John's. #sjubb
It's not like we are loaded. We have more than enough room. Remember we have no small forwards either so may have to play with two pf's at times.
Plus he can get plenty of minutes backing up CO at center. We could really use this kid because not only does he look athletic but he looks big too which can make up some if he isn't particularly skilled.
As I commented on the K Thomas thread, it's not about what we need (ie, more front court depth) it's what Martin needs (ie, a lot of guaranteed PT, especially if he has only one year of eligibility left). Thomas' commitment means more competition for pt. Not too complicated to understand his views.
I agree, you need to look at things from the recruit's perspective.
But at this stage in the game, how mAny schools have a lot of playing time to offer?
Good question Desco. I don't know the answer. But a school in the running for Martin who didn't just sign someone that would directly compete for PT might be perceived by Martin as the better place for pt, regardless of whether it's really true.
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80 minutes available at the 4-5 positions. Thomas, Co and Martin divide up the PT that's 27 minutes apiece and with rest time and foul trouble plenty of time to go around. I know highlight tapes are not much to go on but to me Martin looks like the best of the 3. You the man Ryan, come join the party! :up:
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80 minutes available at the 4-5 positions. Thomas, Co and Martin divide up the PT that's 27 minutes apiece and with rest time and foul trouble plenty of time to go around. I know highlight tapes are not much to go on but to me Martin looks like the best of the 3. You the man Ryan, come join the party! :up:
Jones? Delarosa ? They're going to get some pt. some even think Christian jones starts. It wouldn't surprise me if he did.
Which is why dff6 makes a good point.
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80 minutes available at the 4-5 positions. Thomas, Co and Martin divide up the PT that's 27 minutes apiece and with rest time and foul trouble plenty of time to go around. I know highlight tapes are not much to go on but to me Martin looks like the best of the 3. You the man Ryan, come join the party! :up:
Jones? Delarosa ? They're going to get some pt. some even think Christian jones starts. It wouldn't surprise me if he did.
Which is why dff6 makes a good point.
Good chance Delarosa not ready to help next year and their is another forward position Jones can play. It's not like we have a wing that can shoot so Dom and Jones can fight for PT opposite the PF position along with a 3 g line up when advisable. I like my teams big and powerful like a Kentucky or Kansas. Besides Sheed and Dlo our guards are just average so 3 g line up shouldn't be used much. It's not like we have Isaiah, Dumars and Vinnie Johnson.
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Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille 2m
Source says Ryan Martin of South Plains JUCO will look elsewhere after St John's landed Keith Thomas. #sjubb
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Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille 2m
Source says Ryan Martin of South Plains JUCO will look elsewhere after St John's landed Keith Thomas. #sjubb
Sucks but not surprising.
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Seems like these days the only kids that want to compete for playing are the ones that go to Kentucky...
Let's be honest, it's not like Martin had 3 MCD AA he would be fighting for PT..
Kids today......V
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Seems like these days the only kids that want to compete for playing are the ones that go to Kentucky...
Let's be honest, it's not like Martin had 3 MCD AA he would be fighting for PT..
Kids today......V
It's a function of perceived benefits. Kentucky produces pros, period. Getting any material pt there is a safe bet to making the pros, whereas here, not so much. So a recruit will roll the dice if Coach Cal comes knocking that he will crack the lineup, as opposed to Lavin, who has to sell reasonably assured pt to entice good talent. Compounding matters, we just land Thomas, who will directly compete with him for pt during his last season. Martin would have been nice, but not sure he would have been the difference between making the NCAA tourney vs. NIT or worse.
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Seems like these days the only kids that want to compete for playing are the ones that go to Kentucky...
Let's be honest, it's not like Martin had 3 MCD AA he would be fighting for PT..
Kids today......V
It's a function of perceived benefits. Kentucky produces pros, period. Getting any material pt there is a safe bet to making the pros, whereas here, not so much. So a recruit will roll the dice if Coach Cal comes knocking that he will crack the lineup, as opposed to Lavin, who has to sell reasonably assured pt to entice good talent. Compounding matters, we just land Thomas, who will directly compete with him for pt during his last season. Martin would have been nice, but not sure he would have been the difference between making the NCAA tourney vs. NIT or worse.
+1. You can be a sixth man on UK and still find yourself drafted (see Daniel Orton). And above all else kids care about getting to the league.
Everything else is decoration.
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Seems like these days the only kids that want to compete for playing are the ones that go to Kentucky...
Let's be honest, it's not like Martin had 3 MCD AA he would be fighting for PT..
Kids today......V
It's a function of perceived benefits. Kentucky produces pros, period. Getting any material pt there is a safe bet to making the pros, whereas here, not so much. So a recruit will roll the dice if Coach Cal comes knocking that he will crack the lineup, as opposed to Lavin, who has to sell reasonably assured pt to entice good talent. Compounding matters, we just land Thomas, who will directly compete with him for pt during his last season. Martin would have been nice, but not sure he would have been the difference between making the NCAA tourney vs. NIT or worse.
+1. You can be a sixth man on UK and still find yourself drafted (see Daniel Orton). And above all else kids care about getting to the league.
Everything else is decoration.
The question that I revisit now and then is not simply how many players make it to the NBA from a certain school, but which schools have the most impact players.
When UK fans were getting all cocky about Cal's first good year with Wall, I used to retort that they hadn't had any good pros since Mashburn & Walker (along with citing Ricky's failed UK Celtics teams).
Since then, there a few very promising pros including Wall, but the statistical and visual truth is there haven't been any game changing players out of UK in a long while. If I'm a coach, I'd point to how many very good, all-star caliber pros went to other schools (or none at all). It's one way to strlke down the UK 2 NBA hype machine.
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Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille 2m
Source says Ryan Martin of South Plains JUCO will look elsewhere after St John's landed Keith Thomas. #sjubb
He may have only one year left, it is understandable and we move on.
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Not sure of that logic. We have one returning big that has gotten playing time. Is he going to select a school with no other bigs?
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Not sure of that logic. We have one returning big that has gotten playing time. Is he going to select a school with no other bigs?
We have one big man in Obekpa who lead the nation in shot blocking. He will be our center by default as he started to improve his offensive game last year. In addition, we just brought in a 300lb'er in Delarosa who will command some time. I guess he figured he wouldn't be a center here, and we have Jones and now Thomas at the PF spot to compete with. I don't blame the kid with one year left that he might want to show out a bit more somewhere else. I'd love to have him and the depth, but we have plenty of needs.
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Seems like these days the only kids that want to compete for playing are the ones that go to Kentucky...
Let's be honest, it's not like Martin had 3 MCD AA he would be fighting for PT..
Kids today......V
It's a function of perceived benefits. Kentucky produces pros, period. Getting any material pt there is a safe bet to making the pros, whereas here, not so much. So a recruit will roll the dice if Coach Cal comes knocking that he will crack the lineup, as opposed to Lavin, who has to sell reasonably assured pt to entice good talent. Compounding matters, we just land Thomas, who will directly compete with him for pt during his last season. Martin would have been nice, but not sure he would have been the difference between making the NCAA tourney vs. NIT or worse.
+1. You can be a sixth man on UK and still find yourself drafted (see Daniel Orton). And above all else kids care about getting to the league.
Everything else is decoration.
The question that I revisit now and then is not simply how many players make it to the NBA from a certain school, but which schools have the most impact players.
When UK fans were getting all cocky about Cal's first good year with Wall, I used to retort that they hadn't had any good pros since Mashburn & Walker (along with citing Ricky's failed UK Celtics teams).
Since then, there a few very promising pros including Wall, but the statistical and visual truth is there haven't been any game changing players out of UK in a long while. If I'm a coach, I'd point to how many very good, all-star caliber pros went to other schools (or none at all). It's one way to strlke down the UK 2 NBA hype machine.
Game changing players are pretty hard to come by. Which school were you citing that had multiple in the NBA right now? Only Texas and Kentucky had more than 1 player on this year's all star game rosters. Anthony Davis averaged 20/10 this year. By my accounts that's extremely productive, if not game changing. It's no coincidence that the only team to win the title for Cal featured AD who was the biggest force of nature in the game his one year there. Also while talking Cal's recruits you can also count D Rose, so he has 3 all stars in the league right now. Who else does?
But kids gotta realize that just getting a contract is, if managed correctly, gonna set you up for life. No one has gotten kids more contracts the past 5 years than Cal.
And I don't even like him.
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Seems like these days the only kids that want to compete for playing are the ones that go to Kentucky...
Let's be honest, it's not like Martin had 3 MCD AA he would be fighting for PT..
Kids today......V
It's a function of perceived benefits. Kentucky produces pros, period. Getting any material pt there is a safe bet to making the pros, whereas here, not so much. So a recruit will roll the dice if Coach Cal comes knocking that he will crack the lineup, as opposed to Lavin, who has to sell reasonably assured pt to entice good talent. Compounding matters, we just land Thomas, who will directly compete with him for pt during his last season. Martin would have been nice, but not sure he would have been the difference between making the NCAA tourney vs. NIT or worse.
+1. You can be a sixth man on UK and still find yourself drafted (see Daniel Orton). And above all else kids care about getting to the league.
Everything else is decoration.
The question that I revisit now and then is not simply how many players make it to the NBA from a certain school, but which schools have the most impact players.
When UK fans were getting all cocky about Cal's first good year with Wall, I used to retort that they hadn't had any good pros since Mashburn & Walker (along with citing Ricky's failed UK Celtics teams).
Since then, there a few very promising pros including Wall, but the statistical and visual truth is there haven't been any game changing players out of UK in a long while. If I'm a coach, I'd point to how many very good, all-star caliber pros went to other schools (or none at all). It's one way to strlke down the UK 2 NBA hype machine.
Rajon Rondo?
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Seems like these days the only kids that want to compete for playing are the ones that go to Kentucky...
Let's be honest, it's not like Martin had 3 MCD AA he would be fighting for PT..
Kids today......V
It's a function of perceived benefits. Kentucky produces pros, period. Getting any material pt there is a safe bet to making the pros, whereas here, not so much. So a recruit will roll the dice if Coach Cal comes knocking that he will crack the lineup, as opposed to Lavin, who has to sell reasonably assured pt to entice good talent. Compounding matters, we just land Thomas, who will directly compete with him for pt during his last season. Martin would have been nice, but not sure he would have been the difference between making the NCAA tourney vs. NIT or worse.
+1. You can be a sixth man on UK and still find yourself drafted (see Daniel Orton). And above all else kids care about getting to the league.
Everything else is decoration.
The question that I revisit now and then is not simply how many players make it to the NBA from a certain school, but which schools have the most impact players.
When UK fans were getting all cocky about Cal's first good year with Wall, I used to retort that they hadn't had any good pros since Mashburn & Walker (along with citing Ricky's failed UK Celtics teams).
Since then, there a few very promising pros including Wall, but the statistical and visual truth is there haven't been any game changing players out of UK in a long while. If I'm a coach, I'd point to how many very good, all-star caliber pros went to other schools (or none at all). It's one way to strlke down the UK 2 NBA hype machine.
Game changing players are pretty hard to come by. Which school were you citing that had multiple in the NBA right now? Only Texas and Kentucky had more than 1 player on this year's all star game rosters. Anthony Davis averaged 20/10 this year. By my accounts that's extremely productive, if not game changing. It's no coincidence that the only team to win the title for Cal featured AD who was the biggest force of nature in the game his one year there. Also while talking Cal's recruits you can also count D Rose, so he has 3 all stars in the league right now. Who else does?
But kids gotta realize that just getting a contract is, if managed correctly, gonna set you up for life. No one has gotten kids more contracts the past 5 years than Cal.
And I don't even like him.
More players would be set up for life if one of us were managing their money... I wasn't critiquing Cal, but UK. Cal is pulling in a higher number of more highly rated players, so the odds are in his favor right now. But Rose is Memphis (although yes Rondo) and you're right. No one school really has a bevy of all-stars. That would be part of my rationale in selling my school. I would point that out for sure.
But for 1st round draft picks getting some guaranteed contracts, Cal is leading. And most student athletes don't give an S about their lackluster academics, so it doesn't matter. But their students are getting good grades, and that is all its about - the APR baby...
Every single top rated player that is offered UK goes there. And Lexington is merely an ok city. Take away the derby, and it's a 93% blahsville...
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Every single top rated player that is offered UK goes there. And Lexington is merely an ok city. Take away the derby, and it's a 93% blahsville...
http://espn.go.com/colleges/basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/96/class/2014/page/offers (http://espn.go.com/colleges/basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/96/class/2014/page/offers)
ESPN's been tracking this stuff for just a few years and yes, they've got a great hit rate but 4 for 12 for 2014 is hardly every single player. Similar in 2012. 2013 when the went 8 for 12 was an aberration. Cal does nave to work a little.
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Seems like these days the only kids that want to compete for playing are the ones that go to Kentucky...
Let's be honest, it's not like Martin had 3 MCD AA he would be fighting for PT..
Kids today......V
It's a function of perceived benefits. Kentucky produces pros, period. Getting any material pt there is a safe bet to making the pros, whereas here, not so much. So a recruit will roll the dice if Coach Cal comes knocking that he will crack the lineup, as opposed to Lavin, who has to sell reasonably assured pt to entice good talent. Compounding matters, we just land Thomas, who will directly compete with him for pt during his last season. Martin would have been nice, but not sure he would have been the difference between making the NCAA tourney vs. NIT or worse.
+1. You can be a sixth man on UK and still find yourself drafted (see Daniel Orton). And above all else kids care about getting to the league.
Everything else is decoration.
The question that I revisit now and then is not simply how many players make it to the NBA from a certain school, but which schools have the most impact players.
When UK fans were getting all cocky about Cal's first good year with Wall, I used to retort that they hadn't had any good pros since Mashburn & Walker (along with citing Ricky's failed UK Celtics teams).
Since then, there a few very promising pros including Wall, but the statistical and visual truth is there haven't been any game changing players out of UK in a long while. If I'm a coach, I'd point to how many very good, all-star caliber pros went to other schools (or none at all). It's one way to strlke down the UK 2 NBA hype machine.
Game changing players are pretty hard to come by. Which school were you citing that had multiple in the NBA right now? Only Texas and Kentucky had more than 1 player on this year's all star game rosters. Anthony Davis averaged 20/10 this year. By my accounts that's extremely productive, if not game changing. It's no coincidence that the only team to win the title for Cal featured AD who was the biggest force of nature in the game his one year there. Also while talking Cal's recruits you can also count D Rose, so he has 3 all stars in the league right now. Who else does?
But kids gotta realize that just getting a contract is, if managed correctly, gonna set you up for life. No one has gotten kids more contracts the past 5 years than Cal.
And I don't even like him.
More players would be set up for life if one of us were managing their money... I wasn't critiquing Cal, but UK. Cal is pulling in a higher number of more highly rated players, so the odds are in his favor right now. But Rose is Memphis (although yes Rondo) and you're right. No one school really has a bevy of all-stars. That would be part of my rationale in selling my school. I would point that out for sure.
But for 1st round draft picks getting some guaranteed contracts, Cal is leading. And most student athletes don't give an S about their lackluster academics, so it doesn't matter. But their students are getting good grades, and that is all its about - the APR baby...
Every single top rated player that is offered UK goes there. And Lexington is merely an ok city. Take away the derby, and it's a 93% blahsville...
It's a nice small city, nice suburbs, affordable, has their share of bad areas. There are far worse places to be. The big thing is these kids are treated like celebs there and Kentucky(Rupp) is a great place to play.
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Seems like these days the only kids that want to compete for playing are the ones that go to Kentucky...
Let's be honest, it's not like Martin had 3 MCD AA he would be fighting for PT..
Kids today......V
It's a function of perceived benefits. Kentucky produces pros, period. Getting any material pt there is a safe bet to making the pros, whereas here, not so much. So a recruit will roll the dice if Coach Cal comes knocking that he will crack the lineup, as opposed to Lavin, who has to sell reasonably assured pt to entice good talent. Compounding matters, we just land Thomas, who will directly compete with him for pt during his last season. Martin would have been nice, but not sure he would have been the difference between making the NCAA tourney vs. NIT or worse.
+1. You can be a sixth man on UK and still find yourself drafted (see Daniel Orton). And above all else kids care about getting to the league.
Everything else is decoration.
The question that I revisit now and then is not simply how many players make it to the NBA from a certain school, but which schools have the most impact players.
When UK fans were getting all cocky about Cal's first good year with Wall, I used to retort that they hadn't had any good pros since Mashburn & Walker (along with citing Ricky's failed UK Celtics teams).
Since then, there a few very promising pros including Wall, but the statistical and visual truth is there haven't been any game changing players out of UK in a long while. If I'm a coach, I'd point to how many very good, all-star caliber pros went to other schools (or none at all). It's one way to strlke down the UK 2 NBA hype machine.
Game changing players are pretty hard to come by. Which school were you citing that had multiple in the NBA right now? Only Texas and Kentucky had more than 1 player on this year's all star game rosters. Anthony Davis averaged 20/10 this year. By my accounts that's extremely productive, if not game changing. It's no coincidence that the only team to win the title for Cal featured AD who was the biggest force of nature in the game his one year there. Also while talking Cal's recruits you can also count D Rose, so he has 3 all stars in the league right now. Who else does?
But kids gotta realize that just getting a contract is, if managed correctly, gonna set you up for life. No one has gotten kids more contracts the past 5 years than Cal.
And I don't even like him.
More players would be set up for life if one of us were managing their money... I wasn't critiquing Cal, but UK. Cal is pulling in a higher number of more highly rated players, so the odds are in his favor right now. But Rose is Memphis (although yes Rondo) and you're right. No one school really has a bevy of all-stars. That would be part of my rationale in selling my school. I would point that out for sure.
But for 1st round draft picks getting some guaranteed contracts, Cal is leading. And most student athletes don't give an S about their lackluster academics, so it doesn't matter. But their students are getting good grades, and that is all its about - the APR baby...
Every single top rated player that is offered UK goes there. And Lexington is merely an ok city. Take away the derby, and it's a 93% blahsville...
It's a nice small city, nice suburbs, affordable, has their share of bad areas. There are far worse places to be. The big thing is these kids are treated like celebs there and Kentucky(Rupp) is a great place to play.
and the opportunity to go to the kentucky bourbon ale factory and then go walk over and bring beer to the occupy lexington kids and drink with them is something everyone should do once in their lifetime :)
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Seems like these days the only kids that want to compete for playing are the ones that go to Kentucky...
Let's be honest, it's not like Martin had 3 MCD AA he would be fighting for PT..
Kids today......V
It's a function of perceived benefits. Kentucky produces pros, period. Getting any material pt there is a safe bet to making the pros, whereas here, not so much. So a recruit will roll the dice if Coach Cal comes knocking that he will crack the lineup, as opposed to Lavin, who has to sell reasonably assured pt to entice good talent. Compounding matters, we just land Thomas, who will directly compete with him for pt during his last season. Martin would have been nice, but not sure he would have been the difference between making the NCAA tourney vs. NIT or worse.
+1. You can be a sixth man on UK and still find yourself drafted (see Daniel Orton). And above all else kids care about getting to the league.
Everything else is decoration.
The question that I revisit now and then is not simply how many players make it to the NBA from a certain school, but which schools have the most impact players.
When UK fans were getting all cocky about Cal's first good year with Wall, I used to retort that they hadn't had any good pros since Mashburn & Walker (along with citing Ricky's failed UK Celtics teams).
Since then, there a few very promising pros including Wall, but the statistical and visual truth is there haven't been any game changing players out of UK in a long while. If I'm a coach, I'd point to how many very good, all-star caliber pros went to other schools (or none at all). It's one way to strlke down the UK 2 NBA hype machine.
Game changing players are pretty hard to come by. Which school were you citing that had multiple in the NBA right now? Only Texas and Kentucky had more than 1 player on this year's all star game rosters. Anthony Davis averaged 20/10 this year. By my accounts that's extremely productive, if not game changing. It's no coincidence that the only team to win the title for Cal featured AD who was the biggest force of nature in the game his one year there. Also while talking Cal's recruits you can also count D Rose, so he has 3 all stars in the league right now. Who else does?
But kids gotta realize that just getting a contract is, if managed correctly, gonna set you up for life. No one has gotten kids more contracts the past 5 years than Cal.
And I don't even like him.
More players would be set up for life if one of us were managing their money... I wasn't critiquing Cal, but UK. Cal is pulling in a higher number of more highly rated players, so the odds are in his favor right now. But Rose is Memphis (although yes Rondo) and you're right. No one school really has a bevy of all-stars. That would be part of my rationale in selling my school. I would point that out for sure.
But for 1st round draft picks getting some guaranteed contracts, Cal is leading. And most student athletes don't give an S about their lackluster academics, so it doesn't matter. But their students are getting good grades, and that is all its about - the APR baby...
Every single top rated player that is offered UK goes there. And Lexington is merely an ok city. Take away the derby, and it's a 93% blahsville...
It's a nice small city, nice suburbs, affordable, has their share of bad areas. There are far worse places to be. The big thing is these kids are treated like celebs there and Kentucky(Rupp) is a great place to play.
and the opportunity to go to the kentucky bourbon ale factory and then go walk over and bring beer to the occupy lexington kids and drink with them is something everyone should do once in their lifetime :)
now you're getting into compelling reasons to attend. That slightly beats out free keg Wednesdays at the Pinewood (Manhattan College) back in the day - :buck2:
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Seems like these days the only kids that want to compete for playing are the ones that go to Kentucky...
Let's be honest, it's not like Martin had 3 MCD AA he would be fighting for PT..
Kids today......V
It's a function of perceived benefits. Kentucky produces pros, period. Getting any material pt there is a safe bet to making the pros, whereas here, not so much. So a recruit will roll the dice if Coach Cal comes knocking that he will crack the lineup, as opposed to Lavin, who has to sell reasonably assured pt to entice good talent. Compounding matters, we just land Thomas, who will directly compete with him for pt during his last season. Martin would have been nice, but not sure he would have been the difference between making the NCAA tourney vs. NIT or worse.
+1. You can be a sixth man on UK and still find yourself drafted (see Daniel Orton). And above all else kids care about getting to the league.
Everything else is decoration.
The question that I revisit now and then is not simply how many players make it to the NBA from a certain school, but which schools have the most impact players.
When UK fans were getting all cocky about Cal's first good year with Wall, I used to retort that they hadn't had any good pros since Mashburn & Walker (along with citing Ricky's failed UK Celtics teams).
Since then, there a few very promising pros including Wall, but the statistical and visual truth is there haven't been any game changing players out of UK in a long while. If I'm a coach, I'd point to how many very good, all-star caliber pros went to other schools (or none at all). It's one way to strlke down the UK 2 NBA hype machine.
Game changing players are pretty hard to come by. Which school were you citing that had multiple in the NBA right now? Only Texas and Kentucky had more than 1 player on this year's all star game rosters. Anthony Davis averaged 20/10 this year. By my accounts that's extremely productive, if not game changing. It's no coincidence that the only team to win the title for Cal featured AD who was the biggest force of nature in the game his one year there. Also while talking Cal's recruits you can also count D Rose, so he has 3 all stars in the league right now. Who else does?
But kids gotta realize that just getting a contract is, if managed correctly, gonna set you up for life. No one has gotten kids more contracts the past 5 years than Cal.
And I don't even like him.
More players would be set up for life if one of us were managing their money... I wasn't critiquing Cal, but UK. Cal is pulling in a higher number of more highly rated players, so the odds are in his favor right now. But Rose is Memphis (although yes Rondo) and you're right. No one school really has a bevy of all-stars. That would be part of my rationale in selling my school. I would point that out for sure.
But for 1st round draft picks getting some guaranteed contracts, Cal is leading. And most student athletes don't give an S about their lackluster academics, so it doesn't matter. But their students are getting good grades, and that is all its about - the APR baby...
Every single top rated player that is offered UK goes there. And Lexington is merely an ok city. Take away the derby, and it's a 93% blahsville...
It's a nice small city, nice suburbs, affordable, has their share of bad areas. There are far worse places to be. The big thing is these kids are treated like celebs there and Kentucky(Rupp) is a great place to play.
and the opportunity to go to the kentucky bourbon ale factory and then go walk over and bring beer to the occupy lexington kids and drink with them is something everyone should do once in their lifetime :)
That was a fun day even though someone had a fall at Malone's LOL
Occupy Lexington LMFAO
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Not sure of that logic. We have one returning big that has gotten playing time. Is he going to select a school with no other bigs?
I think the staff made it clear it would be one or the other. Also, I probably wouldn't feel too good about following a kid the same size who doubled my rebound and scoring totals at the same level. He's got one year to prove himself.
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Seems like these days the only kids that want to compete for playing are the ones that go to Kentucky...
Let's be honest, it's not like Martin had 3 MCD AA he would be fighting for PT..
Kids today......V
It's a function of perceived benefits. Kentucky produces pros, period. Getting any material pt there is a safe bet to making the pros, whereas here, not so much. So a recruit will roll the dice if Coach Cal comes knocking that he will crack the lineup, as opposed to Lavin, who has to sell reasonably assured pt to entice good talent. Compounding matters, we just land Thomas, who will directly compete with him for pt during his last season. Martin would have been nice, but not sure he would have been the difference between making the NCAA tourney vs. NIT or worse.
+1. You can be a sixth man on UK and still find yourself drafted (see Daniel Orton). And above all else kids care about getting to the league.
Everything else is decoration.
The question that I revisit now and then is not simply how many players make it to the NBA from a certain school, but which schools have the most impact players.
When UK fans were getting all cocky about Cal's first good year with Wall, I used to retort that they hadn't had any good pros since Mashburn & Walker (along with citing Ricky's failed UK Celtics teams).
Since then, there a few very promising pros including Wall, but the statistical and visual truth is there haven't been any game changing players out of UK in a long while. If I'm a coach, I'd point to how many very good, all-star caliber pros went to other schools (or none at all). It's one way to strlke down the UK 2 NBA hype machine.
Game changing players are pretty hard to come by. Which school were you citing that had multiple in the NBA right now? Only Texas and Kentucky had more than 1 player on this year's all star game rosters. Anthony Davis averaged 20/10 this year. By my accounts that's extremely productive, if not game changing. It's no coincidence that the only team to win the title for Cal featured AD who was the biggest force of nature in the game his one year there. Also while talking Cal's recruits you can also count D Rose, so he has 3 all stars in the league right now. Who else does?
But kids gotta realize that just getting a contract is, if managed correctly, gonna set you up for life. No one has gotten kids more contracts the past 5 years than Cal.
And I don't even like him.
More players would be set up for life if one of us were managing their money... I wasn't critiquing Cal, but UK. Cal is pulling in a higher number of more highly rated players, so the odds are in his favor right now. But Rose is Memphis (although yes Rondo) and you're right. No one school really has a bevy of all-stars. That would be part of my rationale in selling my school. I would point that out for sure.
But for 1st round draft picks getting some guaranteed contracts, Cal is leading. And most student athletes don't give an S about their lackluster academics, so it doesn't matter. But their students are getting good grades, and that is all its about - the APR baby...
Every single top rated player that is offered UK goes there. And Lexington is merely an ok city. Take away the derby, and it's a 93% blahsville...
The Derby is in Louisville. Lexington is absolutely gorgeous. It is the epitome of a college town. I know I'm a bit defensive of Kentucky since my friends and family razz me nonstop about buying a farm there, but it really is beautiful. The crisp, clean white fences that line the horse fields for miles are just amazing to look at. There is some serious money down there....oil, cattle, horses.
It can't hurt to play home games in front of 20,000+ and have celebrities like Clooney (from Lexington) , Ashley Judd (season tickets) and Drake frequent games.
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Not sure of that logic. We have one returning big that has gotten playing time. Is he going to select a school with no other bigs?
I think the staff made it clear it would be one or the other. Also, I probably wouldn't feel too good about following a kid the same size who doubled my rebound and scoring totals at the same level. He's got one year to prove himself.
Just based on his video highlights (which is all I have to go on with Thomas and ADR) and based on the things I saw him do on the court IMHO he would have been our best front court player next year. What I don't like about him is his seeming lack of confidence because his attitude should have been I'll go into practice and bust everybody's behind and earn all the PT I want.
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Seems like these days the only kids that want to compete for playing are the ones that go to Kentucky...
Let's be honest, it's not like Martin had 3 MCD AA he would be fighting for PT..
Kids today......V
It's a function of perceived benefits. Kentucky produces pros, period. Getting any material pt there is a safe bet to making the pros, whereas here, not so much. So a recruit will roll the dice if Coach Cal comes knocking that he will crack the lineup, as opposed to Lavin, who has to sell reasonably assured pt to entice good talent. Compounding matters, we just land Thomas, who will directly compete with him for pt during his last season. Martin would have been nice, but not sure he would have been the difference between making the NCAA tourney vs. NIT or worse.
+1. You can be a sixth man on UK and still find yourself drafted (see Daniel Orton). And above all else kids care about getting to the league.
Everything else is decoration.
The question that I revisit now and then is not simply how many players make it to the NBA from a certain school, but which schools have the most impact players.
When UK fans were getting all cocky about Cal's first good year with Wall, I used to retort that they hadn't had any good pros since Mashburn & Walker (along with citing Ricky's failed UK Celtics teams).
Since then, there a few very promising pros including Wall, but the statistical and visual truth is there haven't been any game changing players out of UK in a long while. If I'm a coach, I'd point to how many very good, all-star caliber pros went to other schools (or none at all). It's one way to strlke down the UK 2 NBA hype machine.
Game changing players are pretty hard to come by. Which school were you citing that had multiple in the NBA right now? Only Texas and Kentucky had more than 1 player on this year's all star game rosters. Anthony Davis averaged 20/10 this year. By my accounts that's extremely productive, if not game changing. It's no coincidence that the only team to win the title for Cal featured AD who was the biggest force of nature in the game his one year there. Also while talking Cal's recruits you can also count D Rose, so he has 3 all stars in the league right now. Who else does?
But kids gotta realize that just getting a contract is, if managed correctly, gonna set you up for life. No one has gotten kids more contracts the past 5 years than Cal.
And I don't even like him.
More players would be set up for life if one of us were managing their money... I wasn't critiquing Cal, but UK. Cal is pulling in a higher number of more highly rated players, so the odds are in his favor right now. But Rose is Memphis (although yes Rondo) and you're right. No one school really has a bevy of all-stars. That would be part of my rationale in selling my school. I would point that out for sure.
But for 1st round draft picks getting some guaranteed contracts, Cal is leading. And most student athletes don't give an S about their lackluster academics, so it doesn't matter. But their students are getting good grades, and that is all its about - the APR baby...
Every single top rated player that is offered UK goes there. And Lexington is merely an ok city. Take away the derby, and it's a 93% blahsville...
The Derby is in Louisville. Lexington is absolutely gorgeous. It is the epitome of a college town. I know I'm a bit defensive of Kentucky since my friends and family razz me nonstop about buying a farm there, but it really is beautiful. The crisp, clean white fences that line the horse fields for miles are just amazing to look at. There is some serious money down there....oil, cattle, horses.
It can't hurt to play home games in front of 20,000+ and have celebrities like Clooney (from Lexington) , Ashley Judd (season tickets) and Drake frequent games.
It's still Kentucky. If the visuals a farms presents are the reason to go there, you can find that in upstate NY. For a NYer to go there as a college kid, I'm opposed to it, but I get it. For an adult, you have to be crazy.
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Seems like these days the only kids that want to compete for playing are the ones that go to Kentucky...
Let's be honest, it's not like Martin had 3 MCD AA he would be fighting for PT..
Kids today......V
It's a function of perceived benefits. Kentucky produces pros, period. Getting any material pt there is a safe bet to making the pros, whereas here, not so much. So a recruit will roll the dice if Coach Cal comes knocking that he will crack the lineup, as opposed to Lavin, who has to sell reasonably assured pt to entice good talent. Compounding matters, we just land Thomas, who will directly compete with him for pt during his last season. Martin would have been nice, but not sure he would have been the difference between making the NCAA tourney vs. NIT or worse.
+1. You can be a sixth man on UK and still find yourself drafted (see Daniel Orton). And above all else kids care about getting to the league.
Everything else is decoration.
The question that I revisit now and then is not simply how many players make it to the NBA from a certain school, but which schools have the most impact players.
When UK fans were getting all cocky about Cal's first good year with Wall, I used to retort that they hadn't had any good pros since Mashburn & Walker (along with citing Ricky's failed UK Celtics teams).
Since then, there a few very promising pros including Wall, but the statistical and visual truth is there haven't been any game changing players out of UK in a long while. If I'm a coach, I'd point to how many very good, all-star caliber pros went to other schools (or none at all). It's one way to strlke down the UK 2 NBA hype machine.
I don't know if I agree with that.
UK has plenty of promising nba stars.
Anthony Davis and Wall are future MVP candidates.
Demarcus Cousins and Blesdsoe are all star caliber
And the Brandon knight, Terrence jones, Kidd-gilchrist, and Patterson crew are all full time starters getting 25+mins a night.
And this doesn't even take into consideration Noel, who hasn't played a game yet but was a #1 pick, or Enes Kanter who is essentially a UK one and done. Both those guys are possibly future all-stars.
UK is getting kids to the league and producing stars. There's really no way around that. No other school can point to two youngs stars as good as Davis and Wall alone, forget about everybody else.
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Kids go to different schools for different reasons. Depends on what interests they have. We wont land everyone we covet. Saw Jamal Branch in the green room at tonight's NFL draft. Great to see that he is taking advantage of his time at SJU. There is a lot SJU has to offer and with the right coach we will be a quality program. Not many programs can land top 10-20 players on a regular basis. If we should land Diallo that would be 2 in three years. I think Lavin has us on the right track.
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Seems like these days the only kids that want to compete for playing are the ones that go to Kentucky...
Let's be honest, it's not like Martin had 3 MCD AA he would be fighting for PT..
Kids today......V
It's a function of perceived benefits. Kentucky produces pros, period. Getting any material pt there is a safe bet to making the pros, whereas here, not so much. So a recruit will roll the dice if Coach Cal comes knocking that he will crack the lineup, as opposed to Lavin, who has to sell reasonably assured pt to entice good talent. Compounding matters, we just land Thomas, who will directly compete with him for pt during his last season. Martin would have been nice, but not sure he would have been the difference between making the NCAA tourney vs. NIT or worse.
+1. You can be a sixth man on UK and still find yourself drafted (see Daniel Orton). And above all else kids care about getting to the league.
Everything else is decoration.
The question that I revisit now and then is not simply how many players make it to the NBA from a certain school, but which schools have the most impact players.
When UK fans were getting all cocky about Cal's first good year with Wall, I used to retort that they hadn't had any good pros since Mashburn & Walker (along with citing Ricky's failed UK Celtics teams).
Since then, there a few very promising pros including Wall, but the statistical and visual truth is there haven't been any game changing players out of UK in a long while. If I'm a coach, I'd point to how many very good, all-star caliber pros went to other schools (or none at all). It's one way to strlke down the UK 2 NBA hype machine.
I don't know if I agree with that.
UK has plenty of promising nba stars.
Anthony Davis and Wall are future MVP candidates.
Demarcus Cousins and Blesdsoe are all star caliber
And the Brandon knight, Terrence jones, Kidd-gilchrist, and Patterson crew are all full time starters getting 25+mins a night.
And this doesn't even take into consideration Noel, who hasn't played a game yet but was a #1 pick, or Enes Kanter who is essentially a UK one and done. Both those guys are possibly future all-stars.
UK is getting kids to the league and producing stars. There's really no way around that. No other school can point to two youngs stars as good as Davis and Wall alone, forget about everybody else.
I think Uconn can raise their hand and say that they are a better program than UK. Maybe not in the lottery pick category at this very moment, but they're better, because they're better than everyone. I think guys like Davis and Noel will spend their entire careers hurt, but we'll see. They could get lucky. It's been my experience that if you're getting banged up in your 20s, it's not going to improve as you get older.
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Seems like these days the only kids that want to compete for playing are the ones that go to Kentucky...
Let's be honest, it's not like Martin had 3 MCD AA he would be fighting for PT..
Kids today......V
It's a function of perceived benefits. Kentucky produces pros, period. Getting any material pt there is a safe bet to making the pros, whereas here, not so much. So a recruit will roll the dice if Coach Cal comes knocking that he will crack the lineup, as opposed to Lavin, who has to sell reasonably assured pt to entice good talent. Compounding matters, we just land Thomas, who will directly compete with him for pt during his last season. Martin would have been nice, but not sure he would have been the difference between making the NCAA tourney vs. NIT or worse.
+1. You can be a sixth man on UK and still find yourself drafted (see Daniel Orton). And above all else kids care about getting to the league.
Everything else is decoration.
The question that I revisit now and then is not simply how many players make it to the NBA from a certain school, but which schools have the most impact players.
When UK fans were getting all cocky about Cal's first good year with Wall, I used to retort that they hadn't had any good pros since Mashburn & Walker (along with citing Ricky's failed UK Celtics teams).
Since then, there a few very promising pros including Wall, but the statistical and visual truth is there haven't been any game changing players out of UK in a long while. If I'm a coach, I'd point to how many very good, all-star caliber pros went to other schools (or none at all). It's one way to strlke down the UK 2 NBA hype machine.
I don't know if I agree with that.
UK has plenty of promising nba stars.
Anthony Davis and Wall are future MVP candidates.
Demarcus Cousins and Blesdsoe are all star caliber
And the Brandon knight, Terrence jones, Kidd-gilchrist, and Patterson crew are all full time starters getting 25+mins a night.
And this doesn't even take into consideration Noel, who hasn't played a game yet but was a #1 pick, or Enes Kanter who is essentially a UK one and done. Both those guys are possibly future all-stars.
UK is getting kids to the league and producing stars. There's really no way around that. No other school can point to two youngs stars as good as Davis and Wall alone, forget about everybody else.
I think Uconn can raise their hand and say that they are a better program than UK. Maybe not in the lottery pick category at this very moment, but they're better, because they're better than everyone. I think guys like Davis and Noel will spend their entire careers hurt, but we'll see. They could get lucky. It's been my experience that if you're getting banged up in your 20s, it's not going to improve as you get older.
Noel I might agree with you on, but Davis is a stud.
And honestly Cousins might be the most underrated player in the nba.
If he was in any team other than the kings he'd be an all star. I'd say he's the third best center in basketball after Howard and Noah (assuming Duncan is a pf). Right about the same level as a Marc Gasol.
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Kids go to different schools for different reasons. Depends on what interests they have. We wont land everyone we covet. Saw Jamal Branch in the green room at tonight's NFL draft. Great to see that he is taking advantage of his time at SJU. There is a lot SJU has to offer and with the right coach we will be a quality program. Not many programs can land top 10-20 players on a regular basis. If we should land Diallo that would be 2 in three years. I think Lavin has us on the right track.
I thought that was him, but wasn't positive. Pretty nice hook up.