6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => Recruiting => 2019 Class => Topic started by: colelatshaw2010 on May 12, 2019, 06:46:46 AM
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https://mobile.twitter.com/NYPost_Brazille/status/1126958395846811656
Braziller is reporting we have serious interest in former Dukie and USC grad transfer Derryck Thornton. Kid was a 5 star top 20 recruit. However, he has bounced around a lot and only averaged 7.7 pts and 4.3 asts for the 16-17 Trojans last year.
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Kid was a bit overrated coming out of HS. He's decent and experienced. Would be a good get for us considering Gonzaga and TT are in on him too.
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Would be a huge addition but Gonzaga cleans up USC transfers.
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Would be a huge addition but Gonzaga cleans up USC transfers.
Anybody know what the pg situation is at Gonzaga, tt, vandy and bc? Gotta think we would be an attractive destination for a pg with one year of eligibility left as we can offer almost unlimited mins.
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This is the exact type of player we need for this year. An experienced pg who will look to get Heron and hopefully LJ shots, and McGriff can play 10-12 min a game but not be forced to carry the load as a freshman. They have to Land a grad transfer pg at the very least. A big wouldn't hurt either.
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Anybody know what the pg situation is at Gonzaga, tt, vandy and bc? Gotta think we would be an attractive destination for a pg with one year of eligibility left as we can offer almost unlimited mins.
Gonzaga doesn't have a true PG on the roster and really only has 2 guards with experience on the roster at this point, one being a grad transfer they just picked up from A&M.
Texas Tech has that Italian kid that can play point but they ran a lot of 2 PG lineups with him and Mooney last year so Thornton will slide into the role that Mooney is vacating over there.
Vanderbilt's starting PG is returning, they don't have much behind him though.
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Kid was a bit overrated coming out of HS. He's decent and experienced. Would be a good get for us considering Gonzaga and TT are in on him too.
Don't think he was overrated. He's really talented and super quick. I think he made bad choices of places to go to school.
It's like Briscoe to Kentucky or Duval to Duke. These guys are talented but these places aren't good fits for guys who need the ball in their hands.
I really don't see him landing here. His dad is big in the music biz out in LA and can imagine him trying to stay close out west. Then again people out there might be tired of his dad and he needs a complete fresh start.
Either way I'd take him out here.
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Gonzaga doesn't have a true PG on the roster and really only has 2 guards with experience on the roster at this point, one being a grad transfer they just picked up from A&M.
Texas Tech has that Italian kid that can play point but they ran a lot of 2 PG lineups with him and Mooney last year so Thornton will slide into the role that Mooney is vacating over there.
Vanderbilt's starting PG is returning, they don't have much behind him though.
Great breakdown goredmen. Much appreciated. Sounds like it might be tough to beat out Gonzaga if they also have the same dire need we do.
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Rothstein reporting he's visiting BC today. Expected to also visit Gonzaga and SJU. Auburn and TT in the mix too.
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Don't think he was overrated
This isn’t even debatable,
Dave. He was the #13 RSCI player four years ago. In his third year in college he played 14 mpg and started just one game. In his fourth year in college he averaged 7.7 and 4.3 for a sub .500 PAC-12 team. He has been a huge bust and wouldn’t even make the top 50 of his class was ranked today.
I’d love to have him here like you, but let’s call a spade a spade.
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Rothstein reporting that Thornton will visit Gonzaga May 28th-30th and will then visit us in June.
According to Braziller Zags are pushing hard for him.
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Rothstein reporting that Thornton will visit Gonzaga May 28th-30th and will then visit us in June.
According to Braziller Zags are pushing hard for him.
If Gonzaga is pushing hard, then he may commit during or shortly after his visit. Hopefully, we get a crack at him.
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I think Gonzaga just landed a grad transfer guard, hopefully it sways his decision to come to NYC. We need a vet pg with this team.
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Is he visiting?????
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Is he visiting?????
He's wrapping up his Gonzaga visit today. All of the talking heads have said that he will be visiting SJU in June. I have not yet seen a date set for us. On Sunday Rothstein said that he plans to set up his SJU visit this week.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1132688310785200128
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I haven't seen anything about him committing to Gonzaga so that's a plus. I really hope we land this kid
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I haven't seen anything about him committing to Gonzaga so that's a plus. I really hope we land this kid
Hopefully no news is good news for the time being
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Yeah I would agree. If we can Land this kid I think we can do some real damage this year.
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Braziller tweeted yesterday it he's heard Thornton is unlikely to visit. F***!
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Braziller tweeted yesterday it he's heard Thornton is unlikely to visit. F***!
How is this a surprise to you? We are back to Norm level recruiting. Four years from now Anderson will be fired because he can’t recruit.
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How is this a surprise to you? We are back to Norm level recruiting. Four years from now Anderson will be fired because he can’t recruit.
Dude your shtick is getting old already. You and foad were pretty pumped up when your boy mully recruited a hs defensive end in Earlington.
Anderson is envolved with plenty of quality 4 star 2020 recruits. If he lands two or three every Johnny will be thrilled. This staff will have us back to winning 20 games a season in no time. Which will be a miracle after CM had the program trending in the wrong direction.
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How is this a surprise to you? We are back to Norm level recruiting. Four years from now Anderson will be fired because he can’t recruit.
Dude I get it and Mullin did get unfairly treated and sju fans suck and I see the points you are trying to make but you are going way too over the top and it’s hurting you. Like goredmen has so obviously pointed out, if MA doesn’t land impact recruits capable of leading a BE team in classes moving forward then of course we will and should be concerned. Filling out a team in May and June with obvious needs and slim pickings isn’t enough for me to say it’s abundantly clear he won’t be able to get talent to come here.
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Dude your shtick is getting old already. You and foad were pretty pumped up when your boy mully recruited a hs defensive end in Earlington.
Anderson is envolved with plenty of quality 4 star 2020 recruits. If he lands two or three every Johnny will be thrilled. This staff will have us back to winning 20 games a season in no time. Which will be a miracle after CM had the program trending in the wrong direction.
We won 20 games this past season. We were almost certainly going to win 20 again if Mullin stayed.
This has nothing to do with my preference for one coach or another. My one requirement for supporting a coach is showing the potential to land big time players. That’s all I ask.
Lavin did it. Mullin did it. Neither could coach well though.
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Dude I get it and Mullin did get unfairly treated and sju fans suck and I see the points you are trying to make but you are going way too over the top and it’s hurting you. Like goredmen has so obviously pointed out, if MA doesn’t land impact recruits capable of leading a BE team in classes moving forward then of course we will and should be concerned. Filling out a team in May and June with obvious needs and slim pickings isn’t enough for me to say it’s abundantly clear he won’t be able to get talent to come here.
Why does pointing out a flaw of Anderson mean I am upset about Mullin to everyone? There is no middle ground with St. John’s fans.
I was excited when Mullin got let go and Hurley was rumored to be his replacement. I don’t think Mullin was a good coach overall. He got big players but he didn’t finish of rosters well.
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I think Mullin really dropped the ball by not playing 8-9 man rotation, and not convincing dixon to stay. Roberts should have played 6-8 minutes a game in big East play and more so against the cupcakes. Greg Williams should have been playing a lot more. It's not that we didn't have depth last year, we just didn't play the guys we had. If we keep Dixon, him Keita Williams Trimble and Roberts is not a terrible bench. That's why we finished the season so poorly, because our starters were playing 35+ min a game and were gassed. Also I think people forget that Matty A left before Mullin resigned. Mack would have followed him most likely. Simon probably stays, but who knows. I wish he would have been more successful. I can't speak for anyone else but I hope every St. John's coach is successful, I'm tired of being a below average program compared to the rest of the conference. I think Anderson was a great hire considering the circumstances, but they should have brought in Pitino. We had the best possible coach available lobbying for the job, and we don't hire him. #SJUBB
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Why does pointing out a flaw of Anderson mean I am upset about Mullin to everyone? There is no middle ground with St. John’s fans.
I was excited when Mullin got let go and Hurley was rumored to be his replacement. I don’t think Mullin was a good coach overall. He got big players but he didn’t finish of rosters well.
That post I quoted was middle ground?
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I think Mullin really dropped the ball by not playing 8-9 man rotation, and not convincing dixon to stay. Roberts should have played 6-8 minutes a game in big East play and more so against the cupcakes. Greg Williams should have been playing a lot more. It's not that we didn't have depth last year, we just didn't play the guys we had. If we keep Dixon, him Keita Williams Trimble and Roberts is not a terrible bench. That's why we finished the season so poorly, because our starters were playing 35+ min a game and were gassed. Also I think people forget that Matty A left before Mullin resigned. Mack would have followed him most likely. Simon probably stays, but who knows. I wish he would have been more successful. I can't speak for anyone else but I hope every St. John's coach is successful, I'm tired of being a below average program compared to the rest of the conference. I think Anderson was a great hire considering the circumstances, but they should have brought in Pitino. We had the best possible coach available lobbying for the job, and we don't hire him. #SJUBB
We should have played Roberts 6-8 minutes a game but because the starters were so uninspired we needed them out there to clean up the mess they made.
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We won 20 games this past season. We were almost certainly going to win 20 again if Mullin stayed.
This has nothing to do with my preference for one coach or another. My one requirement for supporting a coach is showing the potential to land big time players. That’s all I ask.
Lavin did it. Mullin did it. Neither could coach well though.
Brian Mahoney also got “big time” players. It’s time the University and fans realized that winning the press conference isn’t actually winning anything.
Without a coach who is also a strategist, and we need that more than we need a recruiter.
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Those of you who question MA's recruiting should try having a little patience. The man just got the job after an absurd coaching search which definitely hurt SJUs rep and which further increased the debacle that is SJU hoops. The school looks foolish, disorganized and pathetic. We were lucky to get MA to come to a third rate campus in Jamaica. I don't expect any recruits of note until the next recruiting cycle at the earliest. One thing is obvious, he is a good coach who will improve our oncourt performance. With two of our three best players back and additional experience for the rest he may have a good season next year which should help him score some able bodies.
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That post I quoted was middle ground?
My view on Anderson is in the middle. My view on our insane fans is as low as it can be.
I think Bear Grylls is a great survivalist but not if he’s locked in an enclosure with a pride of lions.
Does that make more sense?
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If we would have signed a good big grad man transfer and not signed McGriff there would have been more likely shot at Thornton but Marillac is right. The recruiting momentum negatively impacts guys like this.
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Brian Mahoney also got “big time” players. It’s time the University and fans realized that winning the press conference isn’t actually winning anything.
Without a coach who is also a strategist, and we need that more than we need a recruiter.
DeMeo won a national NJCAA championship and has coached his team to the final four in 2015, 16. 17, 18 and 2019. Maybe he's the strategist.
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If we would have signed a good big grad man transfer and not signed McGriff there would have been more likely shot at Thornton but Marillac is right. The recruiting momentum negatively impacts guys like this.
So a 5th year grad transfer that started his career at Duke then was at USC is scarred off by a true freshman 3 star with no other point guards on the roster?
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So a 5th year grad transfer that started his career at Duke then was at USC is scarred off by a true freshman 3 star with no other point guards on the roster?
Makes zero sense. Whichever grad transfer pg that is brought in will receive the starting minutes and McGriff will come off the bench.
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My view on Anderson is in the middle. My view on our insane fans is as low as it can be.
I think Bear Grylls is a great survivalist but not if he’s locked in an enclosure with a pride of lions.
Does that make more sense?
Personally, I prefer your sports analogies.
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How is this a surprise to you? We are back to Norm level recruiting. Four years from now Anderson will be fired because he can’t recruit.
C'mon Marillac...Norm level of recruiting? CMA got hired even later than Mullin did. He gets a pass for any recruiting this season, and the fact that he was able to keep Heron and LJ is the best recruiting he could have done for us this offseason.
Let's wait to judge his recruiting...if he recruits closer to Mullin/Lavin rather than Norm (which I would assume he would based on his career), and coaches significantly better than every single one of our other coaches, the net will be a huge positive.
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C'mon Marillac...Norm level of recruiting? CMA got hired even later than Mullin did. He gets a pass for any recruiting this season, and the fact that he was able to keep Heron and LJ is the best recruiting he could have done for us this offseason.
Let's wait to judge his recruiting...if he recruits closer to Mullin/Lavin rather than Norm (which I would assume he would based on his career), and coaches significantly better than every single one of our other coaches, the net will be a huge positive.
Most coaches have a player or two in their pocket to bring with them wherever they wind up whether they were fired or took another job. The fact he didn't have any is somewhat of a fail.
The immediate transfer market was the largest ever and we didn't get anyone to pay immediate dividends.
It's fair to criticize.
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C'mon Marillac...Norm level of recruiting? CMA got hired even later than Mullin did. He gets a pass for any recruiting this season, and the fact that he was able to keep Heron and LJ is the best recruiting he could have done for us this offseason.
Let's wait to judge his recruiting...if he recruits closer to Mullin/Lavin rather than Norm (which I would assume he would based on his career), and coaches significantly better than every single one of our other coaches, the net will be a huge positive.
I’m not passing final judgment. I am simply expressing my concerns over the quality of kids we have been involved with and the inability to get even a decent grad transfer in a market that has an embrassment of riches.
Mullin’s staff was able to get Justin Simon and Marvin Clark when the team was awful—and Owens even earlier. Why are we dealing with the likes of Monmouth backups?
Anyone who isn’t concerned isn’t paying attention.
I’d m or a Durand Johnson quality player at PG. Is that too much to ask?
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I’m not passing final judgment. I am simply expressing my concerns over the quality of kids we have been involved with and the inability to get even a decent grad transfer in a market that has an embrassment of riches.
Mullin’s staff was able to get Justin Simon and Marvin Clark when the team was awful—and Owens even earlier. Why are we dealing with the likes of Monmouth backups?
Anyone who isn’t concerned isn’t paying attention.
I’d m or a Durand Johnson quality player at PG. Is that too much to ask?
You mentioned players Mullin did get. How about the ones he didn't like needing a grad transfer big for 2 straight years and he couldn't even bring in a beanpole or a golem.
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I’m not passing final judgment. I am simply expressing my concerns over the quality of kids we have been involved with and the inability to get even a decent grad transfer in a market that has an embrassment of riches.
Mullin’s staff was able to get Justin Simon and Marvin Clark when the team was awful—and Owens even earlier. Why are we dealing with the likes of Monmouth backups?
Anyone who isn’t concerned isn’t paying attention.
I’d m or a Durand Johnson quality player at PG. Is that too much to ask?
Not just trying to antagonize with this post. Marvin Clarke was a mistake. He wasn’t good enough to play short handed for a year.
I am not sure Simon was worth it it either. And I think he is really good. Dixon certainly wasn’t worth 2 years. I am assuming Eli Cain and charaher aren’t either.
The Monmouth kid probably isn’t great or even good. We need a PG. maybe he is Malik boothe good. Only 1 year commitment.
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Mullin had every opportunity to bring in a sorely needed big man last year and that was a monumental fail. That big that he did not get could've saved his job.
It's silly to talk about what Anderson has done in recruiting so far without seeing him coach a game.
I have no idea what happened with Yakwe. He wasn’t great. Mullin should have not thrown him in the garbage. Yakwe has plenty of flaws. But he could have helped out the last 2 years.
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I have no idea what happened with Yakwe. He wasn’t great. Mullin should have not thrown him in the garbage. Yakwe has plenty of flaws. But he could have helped out the last 2 years.
Even without Yakwe there were so many guys out there who could've given this team a much needed inside presence this past season.
Femi automatically comes to mind and he looked like Charles Barkley against us this season. I said we would regret not signing him and it played out exactly as such. LI kid, small school and chooses DePaul over SJU. Inexcusable.
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Mullin should have not thrown him in the garbage.
Good grief sling blade. Thanks to Mullin's masterful tutelage Yakwe graduated early and then went on to get a graduate degree at UConn - where under the great Danny Hurley he had about the worst year of his career. Mmm Mmm. I consider a young man from Mali who's availed the opportunity to earn several college degrees a success story, as opposed to garbage, but then you are a public school teacher, so there's that.
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Marvin Clark wasn’t worth and it and neither was justin Simon. Ok. Guys that have never played also not worth it just because I said so. Ok.
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I’m not passing final judgment. I am simply expressing my concerns over the quality of kids we have been involved with and the inability to get even a decent grad transfer in a market that has an embrassment of riches.
Mullin’s staff was able to get Justin Simon and Marvin Clark when the team was awful—and Owens even earlier. Why are we dealing with the likes of Monmouth backups?
Anyone who isn’t concerned isn’t paying attention.
I’d m or a Durand Johnson quality player at PG. Is that too much to ask?
Clark and Simon didn’t sign until after Mullins first year. All were saying is to give MA at least a season before we judge his capabilities as a recruiter here.
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Clark and Simon didn’t sign until after Mullins first year. All were saying is to give MA at least a season before we judge his capabilities as a recruiter here.
I think everyone is overreacting to anyone having strong opinions one way or another.
It’s fair to criticize or be concerned with recruiting so far and moving forward.
It doesn’t mean you don’t think Anderson can’t recruit or won’t but taking two steps back to take one forward isn’t a winning formula either.
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I think everyone is overreacting to anyone having strong opinions one way or another.
It’s fair to criticize or be concerned with recruiting so far and moving forward.
It doesn’t mean you don’t think Anderson can’t recruit or won’t but taking two steps back to take one forward isn’t a winning formula either.
You have doubts CMA will land higher rated recruits? Landed plenty while at Arkansas. He’ll build relationships locally and it will translate into landing good local talent. Trust the process.
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Simon, the DPOY wasn't worth it? Ok guy!
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Simon, the DPOY wasn't worth it? Ok guy!
Simon plus Clarke CERTAINLY wasn’t worth it. In 3 years they finished in 8th, 9th and 7th. Those teams absolutely could have used more depth. The sit out transfer idea was ridiculous.
Simon was my favorite player of the mullin debacle. I am not sure getting only 2 years out of him was a smart move. He can do anything with life he wants. So if he chooses to go pro, good for him Bad for us. I have no idea if the staff knew he wanted to leave early when they recruited him. As much as I am a fan of his, he wasn’t great. The fact that he is a terrible offensive player contributed to plenty of losses.
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Simon plus Clarke CERTAINLY wasn’t worth it. In 3 years they finished in 8th, 9th and 7th. Those teams absolutely could have used more depth. The sit out transfer idea was ridiculous.
Simon was my favorite player of the mullin debacle. I am not sure getting only 2 years out of him was a smart move. He can do anything with life he wants. So if he chooses to go pro, good for him Bad for us. I have no idea if the staff knew he wanted to leave early when they recruited him. As much as I am a fan of his, he wasn’t great. The fact that he is a terrible offensive player contributed to plenty of losses.
What does having those two guys have to do with lack of depth?
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Simon and Clark were definitely worth it. Clark wasn’t a 5. Him like Heron were forced to play out of position,which didn’t help. Dixon was a waste of 1 1/2 years of scholarships . The problem ,as everyone knows, was we needed at least another big plus depth, a pure pg would also have been nice.
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does anyone know if Thornton committed anywhere..?
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does anyone know if Thornton committed anywhere..?
Boston College, just a few minutes ago
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Boston College, just a few minutes ago
What an odd choice. BC's coach has gotten one kid into the NBA during 5 years there, and has a record of 62-100 (.383) there, with a 14-17 record last season. Thought for sure he would be at Zaga to maximize opportunity to get into the NBA or a high level Euro league.
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What an odd choice. BC's coach has gotten one kid into the NBA during 5 years there, and has a record of 62-100 (.383) there, with a 14-17 record last season. Thought for sure he would be at Zaga to maximize opportunity to get into the NBA or a high level Euro league.
Other than Bobby Portis Coach Third Choice at Arkansas has had three players play 13 NBA games. Not exactly awe-inspiring. And Zaga's NBA players are mostly bigs. Compare that to the favorable press ACC players get and maybe he made the right decision.
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Other than Bobby Portis Coach Third Choice at Arkansas has had three players play 13 NBA games. Not exactly awe-inspiring. And Zaga's NBA players are mostly bigs. Compare that to the favorable press ACC players get and maybe he made the right decision.
Boston College is the DePaul of the ACC. How much favorable press do DePaul players get? Wonder if he will feel he made the right decision when BC gets pounded by Duke, UNC, Virginia and the other top 25 teams he will play every night. Gonzaga was the smart choice, St Johns was the better choice, but he chose BC. Good luck.
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Boston College is the DePaul of the ACC. How much favorable press do DePaul players get?
How many Depaul games are on ESPN?
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How many Depaul games are on ESPN?
BC had one last year. DePaul zero
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Simon plus Clarke CERTAINLY wasn’t worth it. In 3 years they finished in 8th, 9th and 7th. Those teams absolutely could have used more depth. The sit out transfer idea was ridiculous.
Simon was my favorite player of the mullin debacle. I am not sure getting only 2 years out of him was a smart move. He can do anything with life he wants. So if he chooses to go pro, good for him Bad for us. I have no idea if the staff knew he wanted to leave early when they recruited him. As much as I am a fan of his, he wasn’t great. The fact that he is a terrible offensive player contributed to plenty of losses.
Simon left because Mullin left. This isn’t ancient history it happened 2 months ago.
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Simon left because Mullin left. This isn’t ancient history it happened 2 months ago.
How do you know that?
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How do you know that?
It’s been discussed on this site and it beat writers tweets with the source being, I believe, Simon’s father.
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It’s been discussed on this site and it beat writers tweets with the source being, I believe, Simon’s father.
Not what I read from any beat writer.
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Not what I read from any beat writer.
Learn to read better slingblade
"Justin Simon's father Ken said his son was going to test waters initially, but with Chris Mullin gone, made decision to go pro easy. Could've seen him coming back if Mullin was here. #sjubb"
Braziller.
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1115763968923054081
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BC had one last year. DePaul zero
So infinity more times then.
Maybe he cares about academics? Duke (#8) --> USC (22) --> BC (38) vs SJU (152)
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It’s been discussed on this site and it beat writers tweets with the source being, I believe, Simon’s father.
I see. So Simon’s decision to go pro is apparently because Mike Anderson, (369-200) and not Chris Mullin (59-73) is now the head coach.
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So infinity more times then.
Maybe he cares about academics? Duke (#8) --> USC (22) --> BC (38) vs SJU (152)
If that were so, he would have gone to ND, who approached him and were told no thanks.
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If that were so, he would have gone to ND, who approached him and were told no thanks.
Maybe he cares about academics and quality of life. Maybe he's a Bruins fan. Maybe he likes baked bean and chowdah. Maybe he holds a grudge against dook and so doesn't want to play for Brey. You seem to know a lot about this. Do you think he made a completely irrational decision? Because that seems to be what we're left with.
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Maybe he cares about academics and quality of life. Maybe he's a Bruins fan. Maybe he likes baked bean and chowdah. Maybe he holds a grudge against dook and so doesn't want to play for Brey. You seem to know a lot about this. Do you think he made a completely irrational decision? Because that seems to be what we're left with.
people don't make mistakes? some posters here make a mistake every time they get out of bed in the morning and log on
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BC is not so odd a choice when one considers he is heir apparent to Ky Bowman who is a likely to be drafted by an NBA team this week.
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BC is not so odd a choice when one considers he is heir apparent to Ky Bowman who is a likely to be drafted by an NBA team this week.
Perhaps likely isn't the right word. For example, Shamorie is listed by ESPN as the 46th best overall and 4th best point guard in the draft, while Bowman 70th and 11th, respectively. Meaning that if Thornton had come to St John's, he would be an heir apparent to a player who is likely to be drafted, as opposed to Bowman, who is unlikely to be drafted.
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I see. So Simon’s decision to go pro is apparently because Mike Anderson, (369-200) and not Chris Mullin (59-73) is now the head coach.
Don't understand why that's hard to figure out? Players commit to coaching staffs and systems. You think if LJ or Mustapha didn't have to sit out a year they would be here?
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people don't make mistakes? some posters here make a mistake every time they get out of bed in the morning and log on
Everyone makes mistakes, even me. It seems premature though to brand this decision one and maybe even presumptuous. Any one of a number of factors - some having nothing to do with basketball - could have influenced him. Boston's a great city. The ACC is a great league. BC is a superior academic school. I certainly don't blame him for deciding that St John's - to the extent SJ was a consideration, it being an irrelevant program with a first year head coach - might not be the best fit.
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Don't understand why that's hard to figure out? Players commit to coaching staffs and systems. You think if LJ or Mustapha didn't have to sit out a year they would be here?
Players want to win also. DJ, Paris and the other 8 seniors might not have been thrilled when Norm was let go. They looked plenty happy after they won some games.