6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: hnk on April 03, 2015, 10:48:57 AM
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Jordan, CO, Diallo, Sampson, Williams?
The dominoes are still in play.
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Jordan, CO, Diallo, Sampson, Williams?
The dominoes are still in play.
Waaaay too early. Our roster will be entirely different in a few months.
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Jordan, CO, Diallo, Sampson, Williams?
The dominoes are still in play.
Waaaay too early. Our roster will be entirely different in a few months.
Let's play predict the roster LOL
Fun times for sure are ahead
Really to begin with I want to know who will be left off last years team, I think only AA, Felix, Jordan, and CO. Think Stewart will go, Jones will go. I'm up in the air regarding ADR
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I thought Coach was sending a message with his "fittest" quote.
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I thought Coach was sending a message with his "fittest" quote.
I don't think it was meant for ADR. In fairness to Lavin, those kids played a lot of minutes and were very well conditioned from DAY 1
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I'll give Lavin credit where credit is due. His starters were extremely well conditioned and played their arses off. Had no depth, which is on Lavin.
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what about jay henderson, i think he stays also
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what about jay henderson, i think he stays also
Likely staying
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what about jay henderson, i think he stays also
He is a puzzling walk on, was he promised a ship for this year to come? He is a Div 1 talent at a mid major. Probably was a higher caliber recruit that fellow walk on Myles Stewart. My guess is that Henderson transfers to a mid major in Florida or somewhere down south.
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what about jay henderson, i think he stays also
He is a puzzling walk on, was he promised a ship for this year to come? He is a Div 1 talent at a mid major. Probably was a higher caliber recruit that fellow walk on Myles Stewart. My guess is that Henderson transfers to a mid major in Florida or somewhere down south.
Loves NYC. We'll see
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what about jay henderson, i think he stays also
He is a puzzling walk on, was he promised a ship for this year to come? He is a Div 1 talent at a mid major. Probably was a higher caliber recruit that fellow walk on Myles Stewart. My guess is that Henderson transfers to a mid major in Florida or somewhere down south.
Loves NYC. We'll see
His dad played at Penn State
I feel sorry for Lavin's favorite wlk-on, David Lipscombe. He must feel like he lost his second father.
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what about jay henderson, i think he stays also
Likely staying
If he is a decent shooter, which I think he is, Mullin will probably keep him.
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I can hardly contain the excitement of the idea of a:
Jordan-Sampson-Lee-Diallo-Obekpa lineup
With a couple of JUCO transfers mixed in.
Nevertheless, I have a weird feeling that Jordan is out (no inside info), but I'm hoping for the best.
If we miss out on Jordan, do we really have a backup option for PG other than a freshman like Lovett?
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If Jordan were definitely out, we'd know already.
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gotta think of Lovett as a 2016 option, because he's not going to be elidgible.
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He just tweeted:
blackjesus @____whynot 3m3 minutes ago
Look at life through the windshield, not the rear view mirror.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBrxBoNVEAAnTAg.jpg
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let the psychoanalysis begin..
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He just tweeted:
blackjesus @____whynot 3m3 minutes ago
Look at life through the windshield, not the rear view mirror.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CBrxBoNVEAAnTAg.jpg
Meaning???
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No idea!
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let the psychoanalysis begin..
Ha! No doubt.
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New coach.....or new league?
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Clearly, he is alluding to looking ahead (future), as opposed to behind him (past). However, that comment is awfully ambiguous. On one hand, it could be implying that he is looking forward to Mullin as a new coach, or that he may want to transfer.
As an avid CBB and CFB fan that has followed "the scene" for a loooong time, I will defer to time and allow it to do what it does, because time is undisputed, and will reveal all.
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No idea!
Why can't these kids just say "I'm coming back"? LOL
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Another tweet from him. More encouraging:
blackjesus @____whynot
Im not in no Rush im hungry and humble....#mytimewillcome
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This could be turning from us thinking next year would be a nightmare to a top of the conference type season....
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I agree it looked like we weren't going to be able to field a team aw 5 BE calibre players. Now it seems possible next year could be very good.
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I agree it looked like we weren't going to be able to field a team aw 5 BE calibre players. Now it seems possible next year could be very good.
I expected both Jordan and Obekpa to return. We were always going to be a good team next year. The only thing that has changed from the Mullin's hiring at this point is now we are down Sampson. So essentially we are in worst shape at this point as no one else has actually signed. Hopefully we can get Sampson back on board along with some other nice pieces. I do think we may end up with a better recruiting 15' class under the new staff as I was beginning to question Lavin's recruiting methodology.
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I wanted to bring Lavin back, I also didnt want to lose Sampson. Hope we still get Sampson. Happy we have Mullin. I was very worried. Not anymore.
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if we get Williams & Sampson, and possibly Lee that would be a big boost, just need to have some more depth
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Right now we'd look like this:
Jordan
Barnes-Thompkins
Balamou
Alibegovic
Obekpa
with Doughty, Henderson, Jones and Adonis off the bench.
If we get Williams, Sampson and Diallo/athletic big, and a Lee/another shooter we'd look like this:
Jordan - Doughty
Sampson - Barnes-Thompkins
Lee/Shooter - Balamou
Williams - Alibegovic - Jones
Obekpa - Diallo/Athletic Big - Adonis
I'd like another PG in there but the roster certainly looks good if we can manage something close to that. Maybe Balamou can transfer and we get another point. That would be ideal if we can get this far.
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I think they'd try playing Diallo and Obeckpa together.
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I think they'd try playing Diallo and Obeckpa together.
I think they'd have to. I don't think the MVP of the McDonald's game sits while Brandon Sampson starts.
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What a difference..legit. guys battling for playing time/ starting/starter's minutes.
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CO starting center....Diallo starting PF?
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Right now we'd look like this:
Jordan
Barnes-Thompkins
Balamou
Alibegovic
Obekpa
with Doughty, Henderson, Jones and Adonis off the bench.
If we get Williams, Sampson and Diallo/athletic big, and a Lee/another shooter we'd look like this:
Jordan - Doughty
Sampson - Barnes-Thompkins
Lee/Shooter - Balamou
Williams - Alibegovic - Jones
Obekpa - Diallo/Athletic Big - Adonis
I'd like another PG in there but the roster certainly looks good if we can manage something close to that. Maybe Balamou can transfer and we get another point. That would be ideal if we can get this far.
What a difference Coach Mullin will make on these two possible starting line ups.
Your first lineup is scary.
There is still a world of unknowns concerning most of the names on the potential revised second roster, but you have to be optimistic about our chances with a few of these recruits and CO and RJ, in addition to potential names of recruits not on this list.
As far as Jordan and Sampson, playing under a HOF Shooting Guard at both the college and pro levels, Coach Mullin, can only improve their play significantly. However, you never know with kids!
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I will feel more comfortable predicting lineups when we have at least a commit or two for next season.
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Certainly Diallo will start, but it's more likely we get another athletic big which is why I predicted it like that.
(no inside info, just prediction on what has been said)
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G Jordan (35 mpg)
G Sampson
F Lee (35 MPG)
F Diallo
C Obekpa
6th Man - Williams
7-Alibegovic
8-ADR
9-Balamou
10 Doughty
I see Lee as a bigger recruit in terms of productivity than Diallo, but Diallo as the McDonald's MVP, would be the biggest statement that could be made by Mullin this off-season.
Still holding out hope Cal will head to the NBA and free up Briscoe. I am fairly confident another PG is signed as well and that we'll see a transfer out (Jones?).
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G Jordan (35 mpg)
G Sampson
F Lee (35 MPG)
F Diallo
C Obekpa
6th Man - Williams
7-Alibegovic
8-ADR
9-Balamou
10 Doughty
I see Lee as a bigger recruit in terms of productivity than Diallo, but Diallo as the McDonald's MVP, would be the biggest statement that could be made by Mullin this off-season.
Still holding out hope Cal will head to the NBA and free up Briscoe. I am fairly confident another PG is signed as well and that we'll see a transfer out (Jones?).
I think I want Sammy barns Thompkins to stick with us. Doughty too.
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G Jordan (35 mpg)
G Sampson
F Lee (35 MPG)
F Diallo
C Obekpa
6th Man - Williams
7-Alibegovic
8-ADR
9-Balamou
10 Doughty
I see Lee as a bigger recruit in terms of productivity than Diallo, but Diallo as the McDonald's MVP, would be the biggest statement that could be made by Mullin this off-season.
Still holding out hope Cal will head to the NBA and free up Briscoe. I am fairly confident another PG is signed as well and that we'll see a transfer out (Jones?).
I like it, but with Jones, he'd gain nothing out of it. Just lose a year. I don't think he'd be down with it. Balamou would get a redshirt year out of it at another school. Also agree Lee would offer more to us than Diallo, just based on need and system.
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G Jordan (35 mpg)
G Sampson
F Lee (35 MPG)
F Diallo
C Obekpa
6th Man - Williams
7-Alibegovic
8-ADR
9-Balamou
10 Doughty
I see Lee as a bigger recruit in terms of productivity than Diallo, but Diallo as the McDonald's MVP, would be the biggest statement that could be made by Mullin this off-season.
Still holding out hope Cal will head to the NBA and free up Briscoe. I am fairly confident another PG is signed as well and that we'll see a transfer out (Jones?).
I think I want Sammy barns Thompkins to stick with us. Doughty too.
I really like all three verbals we got. Sampson is a stud, but Doughty and Thompkins are very offensively talented. There is a good chance the one out of the pair that is willing to work the hardest and commit himself to the defensive end can end up being an all-league caliber player in three to four years. You can't have enough firepower. Then again, you don't want to have a 5-6 man freshman class if they all project to be four year guys. ADR counts as a freshman with the redshirt. Sampson probably projects as a three year player. Diallo as a one-and-done.
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35 minutes is a lot for Jordan....foul trouble.....illness etc.
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Another tweet from him. More encouraging:
blackjesus @____whynot
Im not in no Rush im hungry and humble....#mytimewillcome
I think if you put this and the windshield quote together it's pretty clear that he's going out for Easter breakfast and he's buying.
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35 minutes is a lot for Jordan....foul trouble.....illness etc.
He's the only PG on the roster right now and he can play three positions. This can obviously change with more recruits, but right now he's 35+.
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In an dream mock offseason for us we'd look like this:
1. Sign Slice and Pinckney, Pecora as DOBO
Staff: Chris Mullin, Slice, Matt A, Pinckney, Pecora
2. Chris O and Rysheed come back.
3. Sampson, Mussini, Darien Williams, Barnes-Thompkins, Sima, Doughty sign
4. Ike Nwamu (immediately eligible) and Owens transfer in
5. Delarosa leaves
Roster:
Rysheed - Mussini
Nwamu - Barnes-Thompkins - Doughty
Sampson - Balamou
Williams - Amar - Jones
Obekpa - Sima - Owens (redshirt)
Great staff and balanced roster that can compete. Lot's of work that still needs to be done in a little time though.
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In an dream mock offseason for us we'd look like this:
1. Sign Slice and Pinckney, Pecora as DOBO
Staff: Chris Mullin, Slice, Matt A, Pinckney, Pecora
2. Chris O and Rysheed come back.
3. Sampson, Mussini, Darien Williams, Barnes-Thompkins, Sima, Doughty sign
4. Ike Nwamu (immediately eligible) and Owens transfer in
5. Delarosa leaves
Roster:
Rysheed - Mussini
Nwamu - Barnes-Thompkins - Doughty
Sampson - Balamou
Williams - Amar - Jones
Obekpa - Sima - Owens (redshirt)
Great staff and balanced roster that can compete. Lot's of work that still needs to be done in a little time though.
If you're having a dream why doesn't ADLR work out over the summer and come back in the fall looking like Nate Thurmond? That's right, a Nate Thurmond reference, deal with it.
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I'd add Diallo as long as we're dreaming.
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Is lee still in play? I don't know his game but from what I've read it seems like he could make the biggest impact next year
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Foad and hnk, my dreams are semi-realistic. :P
Diallo is somewhat still in play imo, but it's a little far-fetched
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I think we are in the hunt for Diallo and have a real shot as i've outlined other places.....there is no there, there yet.
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Obekpa and sheed, Williams, Sima, Mussini or Sampson, TBD immediately eligible transfer is realistic. That team would be competitive next year and be a nice foundation for the future
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In an dream mock offseason for us we'd look like this:
1. Sign Slice and Pinckney, Pecora as DOBO
Staff: Chris Mullin, Slice, Matt A, Pinckney, Pecora
2. Chris O and Rysheed come back.
3. Sampson, Mussini, Darien Williams, Barnes-Thompkins, Sima, Doughty sign
4. Ike Nwamu (immediately eligible) and Owens transfer in
5. Delarosa leaves
Roster:
Rysheed - Mussini
Nwamu - Barnes-Thompkins - Doughty
Sampson - Balamou
Williams - Amar - Jones
Obekpa - Sima - Owens (redshirt)
Great staff and balanced roster that can compete. Lot's of work that still needs to be done in a little time though.
Might be wrong but I don't see Pecora ready to accept DOBO type job...not a big fan but have to assume he still believes he can coach
Would be interesting to see Maven's comments given fact he loves Mullin but appears to hate Pecora (not sure if Pecora is married...If so, hopefully his wife is not on Twiiter and doesn't follow Maven
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My dream would be this roster
Guards
Jordan Miussini Sampson Barnes-Thompkins Doughty Balamou
Forwards
Obekpa Diallo Amar Williams Owens-RS Sima Jones
I am not about pushing anyone out but I just don't see ADR staying and Jones needs to graduate in order to transfer so I think he stays
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My dream would be this roster
Guards
Jordan Miussini Sampson Barnes-Thompkins Doughty Balamou
Forwards
Obekpa Diallo Amar Williams Owens-RS Sima Jones
I am not about pushing anyone out but I just don't see ADR staying and Jones needs to graduate in order to transfer so I think he stays
Same, but with what Dave has said and his conditioning, it's too much of an uphill battle for me to see him here.
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My dream would be this roster
Guards
Jordan Miussini Sampson Barnes-Thompkins Doughty Balamou
Forwards
Obekpa Diallo Amar Williams Owens-RS Sima Jones
I am not about pushing anyone out but I just don't see ADR staying and Jones needs to graduate in order to transfer so I think he stays
Same, but with what Dave has said and his conditioning, it's too much of an uphill battle for me to see him here.
Jones can't go anywhere this year or he loses a year
I say honor the commitments of Doughty and Sammy if they want to come
I personally like the videos of Sammy- seems like a light Dee
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My dream would be this roster
Guards
Jordan Miussini Sampson Barnes-Thompkins Doughty Balamou
Forwards
Obekpa Diallo Amar Williams Owens-RS Sima Jones
I am not about pushing anyone out but I just don't see ADR staying and Jones needs to graduate in order to transfer so I think he stays
Same, but with what Dave has said and his conditioning, it's too much of an uphill battle for me to see him here.
Jones can't go anywhere this year or he loses a year
I say honor the commitments of Doughty and Sammy if they want to come
I personally like the videos of Sammy- seems like a light Dee
Yeah meant with Delarosa. Although Dave has said Doughty might need to prep I believe.
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I personally like the videos of Sammy
So, do I. I wanna keep him.
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My dream would be this roster
Guards
Jordan Miussini Sampson Barnes-Thompkins Doughty Balamou
Forwards
Obekpa Diallo Amar Williams Owens-RS Sima Jones
I am not about pushing anyone out but I just don't see ADR staying and Jones needs to graduate in order to transfer so I think he stays
Same, but with what Dave has said and his conditioning, it's too much of an uphill battle for me to see him here.
Jones can't go anywhere this year or he loses a year
I say honor the commitments of Doughty and Sammy if they want to come
I personally like the videos of Sammy- seems like a light Dee
Yeah meant with Delarosa. Although Dave has said Doughty might need to prep I believe.
Public school kids have this issue.
I hope Doughty makes it.
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I personally like the videos of Sammy
So, do I. I wanna keep him.
Maybe he redshirts ?
I am at a loss to consider what happens to Myles Stewart. I really like him.
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I personally like the videos of Sammy
So, do I. I wanna keep him.
Maybe he redshirts ?
That's possible. It all depends on who we bring in.
I am at a loss to consider what happens to Myles Stewart. I really like him.
I like him, as well. Don't forget about Henderson, either.
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I personally like the videos of Sammy
So, do I. I wanna keep him.
Maybe he redshirts ?
That's possible. It all depends on who we bring in.
I am at a loss to consider what happens to Myles Stewart. I really like him.
I like him, as well. Don't forget about Henderson, either.
Both can be scholarship players elsewhere but getting ships at this time at SJU will be hard
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what about jay henderson, i think he stays also
He is a puzzling walk on, was he promised a ship for this year to come? He is a Div 1 talent at a mid major. Probably was a higher caliber recruit that fellow walk on Myles Stewart. My guess is that Henderson transfers to a mid major in Florida or somewhere down south.
Loves NYC. We'll see
His dad played at Penn State
I feel sorry for Lavin's favorite wlk-on, David Lipscombe. He must feel like he lost his second father.
I actually feel bad for David Lipscomb. I know this will sound a bit crazy, but from I saw of him in exhibitions and early games, I think he could have played at a low major program and had a nice career. No reason to pick on him because Lavin liked him. Lavin was right to like him, and to stack the team with walk one that could potentially contribute down the road.
Stewart, from what I've seen is either hot from 3, or completely useless. He didn't do anything other look to get open for a 3, and he wasn't doing that very well in limited time. Henderson didn't get a chance to play. He looked good at the open practice and in exhibitions early, but as we've learned time and again, that doesn't tell you the story of the player.
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Mullin should dump guys if he needs to open spots.
It's not like he'll make a practice out of it, like Lavin did, to an extent, or drive guys away, but since this is Lavin's team & since a lot of guys don't seem to have major conf talent, as was stated above, now would be the time to dump guys & get away with it because you blame it on the previous regime, and you say, "Circumstances change and every player has to do what's best for them, while at the same time we are trying to field the very best team and build something."
I think they should dump almost everyone. Let Mullin conduct workouts but then, if you have guys you know you can get, make the necessary releases.
On another note, was talking to an SJU lifer, & he was telling me Jordan looks bad but Sampson looks pretty good. I was thinking that Sampson may have downgraded us b/c he thought Jordan would be getting his minutes. It does not seem we are destined to get more than 1 of these kids, if that. I really like Jordan, think he's making ugly mistake by leaving school. But Sampson could create a domino effect with other top recruits, and we may end up with a landmark class if that happens.
I'm not that optimistic. But the possibility is there to land Mussini, Sampson, Diallo, +.
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If I had to pick one of the two, it'd be Sampson, just saying. I don't think Mullin tolerates Jordan's coddled, troubled act one bit.
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This is big time basketball. If players deserve scholarships they should get them. If not they have to pay for school like everyone else. I never want to pay to see Christian jones play basketball again.
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This is big time basketball. If players deserve scholarships they should get them. If not they have to pay for school like everyone else. I never want to pay to see Christian jones play basketball again.
It's disappointing, but it's true. He plays like he doesn't care. Maybe he'll surprise us and man up over the summer?
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Mullin should dump guys if he needs to open spots.
It's not like he'll make a practice out of it, like Lavin did, to an extent, or drive guys away, but since this is Lavin's team & since a lot of guys don't seem to have major conf talent, as was stated above, now would be the time to dump guys & get away with it because you blame it on the previous regime, and you say, "Circumstances change and every player has to do what's best for them, while at the same time we are trying to field the very best team and build something."
I think they should dump almost everyone. Let Mullin conduct workouts but then, if you have guys you know you can get, make the necessary releases.
On another note, was talking to an SJU lifer, & he was telling me Jordan looks bad but Sampson looks pretty good. I was thinking that Sampson may have downgraded us b/c he thought Jordan would be getting his minutes. It does not seem we are destined to get more than 1 of these kids, if that. I really like Jordan, think he's making ugly mistake by leaving school. But Sampson could create a domino effect with other top recruits, and we may end up with a landmark class if that happens.
I'm not that optimistic. But the possibility is there to land Mussini, Sampson, Diallo, +.
Who do you anticipate being our PG?
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If we get Diaalo and Sampson, then it's a wrap
Jordan PG, Sampson SG, Williams SF, Diallo PF, Opekpa C. With Sima as the 6th man.
Would just need 2 more to go 8 deep. Then after that Mullin could put in Balamou and whoever else from last years bench.
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If we get Diaalo and Sampson, then it's a wrap
Jordan PG, Sampson SG, Williams SF, Diallo PF, Opekpa C. With Sima as the 6th man.
Would just need 2 more to go 8 deep. Then after that Mullin could put in Balamou and whoever else from last years bench.
Amar will be better and can contribute.
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I really want to see adr and aa be part of the rotation next year with a true pg. excited about the addition yakuba, but also have to be realistic in my expectations of young bigs. I like what I have read about him, but it will take time to develop and until co develops an offensive game, aa and adr are gonna have to contribute down low.
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If we get Diaalo and Sampson, then it's a wrap
Jordan PG, Sampson SG, Williams SF, Diallo PF, Opekpa C. With Sima as the 6th man.
Would just need 2 more to go 8 deep. Then after that Mullin could put in Balamou and whoever else from last years bench.
Amar will be better and can contribute.
Forgot about him
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I really want to see adr and aa be part of the rotation next year with a true pg. excited about the addition yakuba, but also have to be realistic in my expectations of young bigs. I like what I have read about him, but it will take time to develop and until co develops an offensive game, aa and adr are gonna have to contribute down low.
Chris, despite his difficulties, os light years ahead of adr in terms of being a total player. And Amar really plays a completely different position, face - up 4. Neither eats into his playing time at all. And that's assuming adr is even here and elidgible.
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So I have us finishing with Ellison, Mussini and Larrier. Not sure how realistic it is to get Larrier, but he can be an open spot. Hopefully Mussini commits in addition to Ellison though. I did predictions of how we'd do and how we'd rank this past year right under that based on those stats. Anything look unrealistic?
(http://i.imgur.com/bYhemg6.png)
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I would think if we got mussini he would play more then 15 minutes.
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And he's good for at least 2-3 threes a game plus more.
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I would think if we got mussini he would play more then 15 minutes.
I'm not sure. Who's minutes would he take?
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I would think if we got mussini he would play more then 15 minutes.
I'm not sure. Who's minutes would he take?
I don't know as much about these guys as some of you. Is Durand a 30 minute guy? The french guy 20 minute? I don't think Amar plays 12 minutes.
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So I have us finishing with Ellison, Mussini and Larrier. Not sure how realistic it is to get Larrier, but he can be an open spot. Hopefully Mussini commits in addition to Ellison though. I did predictions of how we'd do and how we'd rank this past year right under that based on those stats. Anything look unrealistic?
(http://i.imgur.com/bYhemg6.png)
I think this is spot on for the most part. I'd drop Jordan 2-3 mpg if we have a second point like Mussini. I'd drop Obekpa from 32 mph to 28-29 just based on foul trouble and injuries. Give those extra minutes to AA.
Durand will be a 30 mpg guy. Maybe drop Ellison down to 15 or so.
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I don't know as much about these guys as some of you. Is Durand a 30 minute guy? The french guy 20 minute? I don't think Amar plays 12 minutes.
Durand is probably our second best scorer in our lineup right now. Some who've watched Pitt practices last year, say he was their best scorer. We need that. He's played 20 minutes before and I think he can make the bump.
Ron M and Mussini would give us similar things next year, but Ron is bigger, stronger and rebounds better. Mussini is a little too small right now. Vet units win (unless you have a ton of one and done studs), so that explains most of my minute decisions.
For all of the stat predictions, I used either their own stats, divided by old minutes multiplied by new, with some of the guys seeing slight increases in play due to a bigger role. I took Mussini's stats in Italy and basically translated them straight to NCAA. Ron and Darien, I downgraded production and some efficiency. Amar I gave modest NCAA bench guy stats and Sima, I basically copied and pasted Phillip Nolan from UConn's line.
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Did I miss something?
Terry Larrier? Is there some buzz about him transferring to us?
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Did I miss something?
Terry Larrier? Is there some buzz about him transferring to us?
No, just a wish on that one. For that spot, I'd like a good transfer player who needs to redshirt, but that was 100% wishing and dreaming on him.
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Did I miss something?
Terry Larrier? Is there some buzz about him transferring to us?
No, just a wish on that one. For that spot, I'd like a good transfer player who needs to redshirt, but that was 100% wishing and dreaming on him.
Hahaha Would be nice.
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Marcus Lovett
Rysheed Jordan
Durand Johnson
Darien Williams
Chris Obekpa
Off the bench
Ron Mvouika
Malik Ellison
Amar Amarillac
Yankuba Sima
Felix Balamou
Jay Henderson
This is at worst a bubble team imo.
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As of right now
Jordan Ellison Johnson Williams Obekpa
Off Bench M'Voulka Amar Sima Felix Jones in that order
Hopefully a point guard like Mussini or Lovett comes in and sends Ellison to bench as the 6th or 7th man
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As of right now
Jordan Ellison Johnson Williams Obekpa
Off Bench M'Voulka Amar Sima Felix Jones in that order
Hopefully a point guard like Mussini or Lovett comes in and sends Ellison to bench as the 6th or 7th man
I don't see Mussini a starter just yet
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Marcus Lovett
Rysheed Jordan
Durand Johnson
Darien Williams
Chris Obekpa
Off the bench
Ron Mvouika
Malik Ellison
Amar Amarillac
Yankuba Sima
Felix Balamou
Jay Henderson
This is at worst a bubble team imo.
Exactly how I see it if we can get Lovett in here. Hopefully Larrier sits a year with our final ship.
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As of right now
Jordan Ellison Johnson Williams Obekpa
Off Bench M'Voulka Amar Sima Felix Jones in that order
Hopefully a point guard like Mussini or Lovett comes in and sends Ellison to bench as the 6th or 7th man
I don't see Mussini a starter just yet
I personally don't either as his frame needs work
Lovett is more built to start
I just worry about Jordan not being clean with the ball as a full time PG
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Have the best juco PG's signed yet? Are we looking at any other PGs?
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I have no problem with Jordan starting as pg. We need another pg on the roster obviously, but Rysheed will be fine as the starter playing with 2 wings.
That's not a concern for me. I'd like to see us add a little more scoring punch. Lovett could help with that in the sense that he can score a little and would enable Jordan to play off the ball.
But if we end up with Jordan playing PG and Durrand J off the ball, that's fine, as long as we add a SF or another SG capable of starting.
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I have no problem with Jordan starting as pg. We need another pg on the roster obviously, but Rysheed will be fine as the starter playing with 2 wings.
That's not a concern for me. I'd like to see us add a little more scoring punch. Lovett could help with that in the sense that he can score a little and would enable Jordan to play off the ball.
But if we end up with Jordan playing PG and Durrand J off the ball, that's fine, as long as we add a SF or another SG capable of starting.
Exactly, Sheed can be our starting pg and flourish at it IMO, we just need a backup on the roster.
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Marcus Lovett
Rysheed Jordan
Durand Johnson
Darien Williams
Chris Obekpa
Off the bench
Ron Mvouika
Malik Ellison
Amar Amarillac
Yankuba Sima
Felix Balamou
Jay Henderson
This is at worst a bubble team imo.
Amar Amarillac - just saw this - hysterical
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I have no problem with Jordan starting as pg. We need another pg on the roster obviously, but Rysheed will be fine as the starter playing with 2 wings.
That's not a concern for me. I'd like to see us add a little more scoring punch. Lovett could help with that in the sense that he can score a little and would enable Jordan to play off the ball.
But if we end up with Jordan playing PG and Durrand J off the ball, that's fine, as long as we add a SF or another SG capable of starting.
Exactly, Sheed can be our starting pg and flourish at it IMO, we just need a backup on the roster.
I agree he has all the skills to flourish as our pg. On the other hand, he looked really good last year when playing off the ball, and I think he could be even better next year at the 2 with a point guard that could get him the ball in a better position to score (which I think is jordan's strongest asset). I think his shooting %s go way up if he plays off the ball. A lot really depends on what the other option is (i.e. who will be the other sg or pg), which seems up in the air right now.
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Marcus Lovett
Rysheed Jordan
Durand Johnson
Darien Williams
Chris Obekpa
Off the bench
Ron Mvouika
Malik Ellison
Amar Amarillac
Yankuba Sima
Felix Balamou
Jay Henderson
This is at worst a bubble team imo.
Amar Amarillac - just saw this - hysterical
LOL
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As of right now
Jordan Ellison Johnson Williams Obekpa
Off Bench M'Voulka Amar Sima Felix Jones in that order
Hopefully a point guard like Mussini or Lovett comes in and sends Ellison to bench as the 6th or 7th man
I don't see Mussini a starter just yet
I personally don't either as his frame needs work
Lovett is more built to start
I just worry about Jordan not being clean with the ball as a full time PG
Intending this to be illustrative, and not predictive, but Stephen Curry didnt even reach 6 feet until some point during his freshman year, and I can't imagine he was more than 165ish pounds at that point. Thus, build alone is no reason to doubt Mussini as a freshman....however, he also doesnt have an NBA pedigree which couldnt have hurt Steph.
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I have no problem with Jordan starting as pg. We need another pg on the roster obviously, but Rysheed will be fine as the starter playing with 2 wings.
That's not a concern for me. I'd like to see us add a little more scoring punch. Lovett could help with that in the sense that he can score a little and would enable Jordan to play off the ball.
But if we end up with Jordan playing PG and Durrand J off the ball, that's fine, as long as we add a SF or another SG capable of starting.
Exactly, Sheed can be our starting pg and flourish at it IMO, we just need a backup on the roster.
I agree he has all the skills to flourish as our pg. On the other hand, he looked really good last year when playing off the ball, and I think he could be even better next year at the 2 with a point guard that could get him the ball in a better position to score (which I think is jordan's strongest asset). I think his shooting %s go way up if he plays off the ball. A lot really depends on what the other option is (i.e. who will be the other sg or pg), which seems up in the air right now.
I think he just looked really good late last year playing on and off the ball. His whole game came together. But your point is well taken and I am all for Sheed playing off the ball plenty, just disagree with the notion that we cant win big with him at the point.
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I have no problem with Jordan starting as pg. We need another pg on the roster obviously, but Rysheed will be fine as the starter playing with 2 wings.
That's not a concern for me. I'd like to see us add a little more scoring punch. Lovett could help with that in the sense that he can score a little and would enable Jordan to play off the ball.
But if we end up with Jordan playing PG and Durrand J off the ball, that's fine, as long as we add a SF or another SG capable of starting.
Exactly, Sheed can be our starting pg and flourish at it IMO, we just need a backup on the roster.
I agree he has all the skills to flourish as our pg. On the other hand, he looked really good last year when playing off the ball, and I think he could be even better next year at the 2 with a point guard that could get him the ball in a better position to score (which I think is jordan's strongest asset). I think his shooting %s go way up if he plays off the ball. A lot really depends on what the other option is (i.e. who will be the other sg or pg), which seems up in the air right now.
I think he just looked really good late last year playing on and off the ball. His whole game came together. But your point is well taken and I am all for Sheed playing off the ball plenty, just disagree with the notion that we cant win big with him at the point.
I agree with you guys completely. I think, in general, Sheed was great in the second half of the season.
I also see a good argument for why he may be better suited playing off the ball. There's some good rationale for that.
And a lot depends on who else we add. But if Sheed is the starting point guard, that's not going to be a weakness.
The key is finding another piece in the backcourt, if it's a pg great, if it's a combo or shooter .. that's fine too.
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As of right now
Jordan Ellison Johnson Williams Obekpa
Off Bench M'Voulka Amar Sima Felix Jones in that order
Hopefully a point guard like Mussini or Lovett comes in and sends Ellison to bench as the 6th or 7th man
I don't see Mussini a starter just yet
I personally don't either as his frame needs work
Lovett is more built to start
I just worry about Jordan not being clean with the ball as a full time PG
Intending this to be illustrative, and not predictive, but Stephen Curry didnt even reach 6 feet until some point during his freshman year, and I can't imagine he was more than 165ish pounds at that point. Thus, build alone is no reason to doubt Mussini as a freshman....however, he also doesnt have an NBA pedigree which couldnt have hurt Steph.
LoVett isn't that much bigger than Mussini.
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As of right now
Jordan Ellison Johnson Williams Obekpa
Off Bench M'Voulka Amar Sima Felix Jones in that order
Hopefully a point guard like Mussini or Lovett comes in and sends Ellison to bench as the 6th or 7th man
I don't see Mussini a starter just yet
I personally don't either as his frame needs work
Lovett is more built to start
I just worry about Jordan not being clean with the ball as a full time PG
Intending this to be illustrative, and not predictive, but Stephen Curry didnt even reach 6 feet until some point during his freshman year, and I can't imagine he was more than 165ish pounds at that point. Thus, build alone is no reason to doubt Mussini as a freshman....however, he also doesnt have an NBA pedigree which couldnt have hurt Steph.
LoVett isn't that much bigger than Mussini.
He looks like a stronger body
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As of right now
Jordan Ellison Johnson Williams Obekpa
Off Bench M'Voulka Amar Sima Felix Jones in that order
Hopefully a point guard like Mussini or Lovett comes in and sends Ellison to bench as the 6th or 7th man
I don't see Mussini a starter just yet
I personally don't either as his frame needs work
Lovett is more built to start
I just worry about Jordan not being clean with the ball as a full time PG
Intending this to be illustrative, and not predictive, but Stephen Curry didnt even reach 6 feet until some point during his freshman year, and I can't imagine he was more than 165ish pounds at that point. Thus, build alone is no reason to doubt Mussini as a freshman....however, he also doesnt have an NBA pedigree which couldnt have hurt Steph.
LoVett isn't that much bigger than Mussini.
He looks like a stronger body
He does, but I've seen LoVett listed at 5-11,6-0 and 165 lbs. I think either would be a great get.
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Aside from his 3-point prowess, I'm not that impressed with Mussini.
I'm taking Lovett nine times out of ten. Obviously he has some eligibility concerns, but his ball handling is exceptional. Can't recall the last time we had a PG who can break down defenses off the dribble and can dish like he can.
Give me Lovett..
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Mussini was playing against the best guards in the country in the all star game. I think he did alright considering. His defensive match-up would be easier in the big east.
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Mussini was playing against the best guards in the country in the all star game. I think he did alright considering. His defensive match-up would be easier in the big east.
His defensive matchup would be easier in the big east? How so?
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He would play the weakest guy. Marquette, Creighton, and Butler don't have all americans.
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Mussini was playing against the best guards in the country in the all star game. I think he did alright considering. His defensive match-up would be easier in the big east.
His defensive matchup would be easier in the big east? How so?
Think he is saying he wouldn't be going up against top 10-20 talent at the pg position every game.
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Mussini was playing against the best guards in the country in the all star game. I think he did alright considering. His defensive match-up would be easier in the big east.
His defensive matchup would be easier in the big east? How so?
Think he is saying he wouldn't be going up against top 10-20 talent at the pg position every game.
Big East isn't High School
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Mussini was playing against the best guards in the country in the all star game. I think he did alright considering. His defensive match-up would be easier in the big east.
His defensive matchup would be easier in the big east? How so?
Think he is saying he wouldn't be going up against top 10-20 talent at the pg position every game.
Big East isn't High School
Correct. It isn't an All-Star game either.
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Mussini will get bigger and stronger also. I only saw a few minutes of the game. From what I saw he competed and held his own
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Mussini was playing against the best guards in the country in the all star game. I think he did alright considering. His defensive match-up would be easier in the big east.
His defensive matchup would be easier in the big east? How so?
Think he is saying he wouldn't be going up against top 10-20 talent at the pg position every game.
Big East isn't High School
Correct. It isn't an All-Star game either.
It's not an all star game, but it is significantly more difficult to play against a defense that has prepared for months than one made up of children who in just about every case, don't even understand what it means to play defense.
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Mussini will get bigger and stronger also. I only saw a few minutes of the game. From what I saw he competed and held his own
If this kid is considering going pro and he's not even close to being an nba draft pick, isn't it entirely possible that he's Marco Bourgault? In Europe, that guy is a pro.
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Mussini was playing against the best guards in the country in the all star game. I think he did alright considering. His defensive match-up would be easier in the big east.
His defensive matchup would be easier in the big east? How so?
Think he is saying he wouldn't be going up against top 10-20 talent at the pg position every game.
Big East isn't High School
Correct. It isn't an All-Star game either.
But let's be honest, other than Brunson the Big East doesn't have that type of talent heading in. Look at the last few drafts and the projected drafts the next few years...ugly. Dunn is the one saving grace and he committed when the old Big East was intact. The past tournament and watching Nova get so badly outdone by a superior athletic team left no doubt in my mind that the Big East needs to really raise the level of physical talent in the conference. Forget Kentucky, freaking LSU has more NBA talent on their team this season that our entire conference combined.
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I only watched about 20 minutes of that game. I was in an airport . But those USA guards were very good. They were big, strong, and fast.
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Mussini's handlers/family are not dumb. They know he could get exposed on defense against bigger more athletic guards. If he's at Zaga or Davidson, he gets more time to develop over the years because the in-conference opponents will be less challenging athletically. That's definitely a factor.
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Mussini's handlers/family are not dumb. They know he could get exposed on defense against bigger more athletic guards. If he's at Zaga or Davidson, he gets more time to develop over the years because the in-conference opponents will be less challenging athletically. That's definitely a factor.
That works both ways because those players that play at those conferences rarely get drafted and get NBA contracts because they don't play against high level talent. Exceptions being guys like Curry but they demonstrated in deep NCAA runs that he could play against the best.
So they are aware of both. If you go to a level that you think you can excel at but is below top level then you will need to cover a lot more ground if you ever think you can get drafted.
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Mussini's handlers/family are not dumb. They know he could get exposed on defense against bigger more athletic guards. If he's at Zaga or Davidson, he gets more time to develop over the years because the in-conference opponents will be less challenging athletically. That's definitely a factor.
That works both ways because those players that play at those conferences rarely get drafted and get NBA contracts because they don't play against high level talent. Exceptions being guys like Curry but they demonstrated in deep NCAA runs that he could play against the best.
So they are aware of both. If you go to a level that you think you can excel at but is below top level then you will need to cover a lot more ground if you ever think you can get drafted.
List of Zaga players in the NBA:
Kelly Olynyk (1st round)
Robert Sacre (2nd round)
Austin Daye (1st round)
David Stockton (undrafted)
List of SJU players in NBA players:
Mo Harkless (1st round)
Jakar Sampson (undrafted)
Zaga has had 8 players drafted since 2002. SJU has had one.
I agree with your general comment about schools on that "mid level" tier, but our main competition of Mussini, Zaga, has an excellent coach that regularly places kids in the NBA. Mussini can get the benefit of the lower compeition level, which will give him room to grow, with perhaps a strong chance to get in the pros.
All that said, the factors in SJU's favor are the style of play that Mullin wants to run (which I hazard to guess, as did Baldi, will be similar to Brey this past year at ND, which favors smart, sharp-shooting 1s, 2s and 3s) and Mullin's NBA background.
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Mussini was playing against the best guards in the country in the all star game. I think he did alright considering. His defensive match-up would be easier in the big east.
His defensive matchup would be easier in the big east? How so?
Think he is saying he wouldn't be going up against top 10-20 talent at the pg position every game.
Big East isn't High School
Correct. It isn't an All-Star game either.
But let's be honest, other than Brunson the Big East doesn't have that type of talent heading in. Look at the last few drafts and the projected drafts the next few years...ugly. Dunn is the one saving grace and he committed when the old Big East was intact. The past tournament and watching Nova get so badly outdone by a superior athletic team left no doubt in my mind that the Big East needs to really raise the level of physical talent in the conference. Forget Kentucky, freaking LSU has more NBA talent on their team this season that our entire conference combined.
My only point was that I wouldn't judge Mussini watching one game especially when that game involved some of the best guards entering college next year. If the staff think they can work with him, that's good enough for me. He would probably be the best shooter on next years team.
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Sam Vecenie of CBS was raving about him on Twitter while watching the practices leading up to that game. When asked, he said he would rate him in the 30-60 range for the 2015 class.
If he winds up somewhere in between that assessment and Fran's take, he is a solid addition for a team needing both a PG and perimeter offense.
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The other factor in our favor is that it is a much shorter and cheaper trip home to Italy when you start in NYC., and not the west coast.
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Mussini's handlers/family are not dumb. They know he could get exposed on defense against bigger more athletic guards. If he's at Zaga or Davidson, he gets more time to develop over the years because the in-conference opponents will be less challenging athletically. That's definitely a factor.
That works both ways because those players that play at those conferences rarely get drafted and get NBA contracts because they don't play against high level talent. Exceptions being guys like Curry but they demonstrated in deep NCAA runs that he could play against the best.
So they are aware of both. If you go to a level that you think you can excel at but is below top level then you will need to cover a lot more ground if you ever think you can get drafted.
List of Zaga players in the NBA:
Kelly Olynyk (1st round)
Robert Sacre (2nd round)
Austin Daye (1st round)
David Stockton (undrafted)
List of SJU players in NBA players:
Mo Harkless (1st round)
Jakar Sampson (undrafted)
Zaga has had 8 players drafted since 2002. SJU has had one.
I agree with your general comment about schools on that "mid level" tier, but our main competition of Mussini, Zaga, has an excellent coach that regularly places kids in the NBA. Mussini can get the benefit of the lower compeition level, which will give him room to grow, with perhaps a strong chance to get in the pros.
All that said, the factors in SJU's favor are the style of play that Mullin wants to run (which I hazard to guess, as did Baldi, will be similar to Brey this past year at ND, which favors smart, sharp-shooting 1s, 2s and 3s) and Mullin's NBA background.
Duh and Gonzaga plays a NATIONAL schedule including Arizona and UCLA the type of teams that would expose low level players...or is he going to sit out those games. In addition they play in the NCAA's every year. They are an outlier.
Do you really think he goes to Gonzaga because they play San Francisco? He goes to Gonzaga because despite the lack of depth in their conference they play a NATIONAL big time schedule. You don't get a #2 seed by just beating San Francisco every year.
Nobody in that conference plays the type of non-conference teams that Gonzaga does. That's because Gonzaga is identified more for the power of that program then what conference they play in.
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Mussini's handlers/family are not dumb. They know he could get exposed on defense against bigger more athletic guards. If he's at Zaga or Davidson, he gets more time to develop over the years because the in-conference opponents will be less challenging athletically. That's definitely a factor.
That works both ways because those players that play at those conferences rarely get drafted and get NBA contracts because they don't play against high level talent. Exceptions being guys like Curry but they demonstrated in deep NCAA runs that he could play against the best.
So they are aware of both. If you go to a level that you think you can excel at but is below top level then you will need to cover a lot more ground if you ever think you can get drafted.
List of Zaga players in the NBA:
Kelly Olynyk (1st round)
Robert Sacre (2nd round)
Austin Daye (1st round)
David Stockton (undrafted)
List of SJU players in NBA players:
Mo Harkless (1st round)
Jakar Sampson (undrafted)
Zaga has had 8 players drafted since 2002. SJU has had one.
I agree with your general comment about schools on that "mid level" tier, but our main competition of Mussini, Zaga, has an excellent coach that regularly places kids in the NBA. Mussini can get the benefit of the lower compeition level, which will give him room to grow, with perhaps a strong chance to get in the pros.
All that said, the factors in SJU's favor are the style of play that Mullin wants to run (which I hazard to guess, as did Baldi, will be similar to Brey this past year at ND, which favors smart, sharp-shooting 1s, 2s and 3s) and Mullin's NBA background.
Duh and Gonzaga plays a NATIONAL schedule including Arizona and UCLA the type of teams that would expose low level players...or is he going to sit out those games. In addition they play in the NCAA's every year. They are an outlier.
Do you really think he goes to Gonzaga because they play San Francisco? He goes to Gonzaga because despite the lack of depth in their conference they play a NATIONAL big time schedule. You don't get a #2 seed by just beating San Francisco every year.
Nobody in that conference plays the type of non-conference teams that Gonzaga does. That's because Gonzaga is identified more for the power of that program then what conference they play in.
Fordham have you ever once in your life admitted that you didn't consider all angles before commenting? It's always been zaga or Davidson or johnnies. Your post Definitely implied you were referring to both zaga and Davidson. If you meant just Davidson, a mere correction that you should have been more clear would have sufficed rather than an obnoxious post attemptig to belittle another poster.
You often provide great insight and posts. The belittling of others gets old especially in this exciting time of St. John's bball.
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Mussini's handlers/family are not dumb. They know he could get exposed on defense against bigger more athletic guards. If he's at Zaga or Davidson, he gets more time to develop over the years because the in-conference opponents will be less challenging athletically. That's definitely a factor.
That works both ways because those players that play at those conferences rarely get drafted and get NBA contracts because they don't play against high level talent. Exceptions being guys like Curry but they demonstrated in deep NCAA runs that he could play against the best.
So they are aware of both. If you go to a level that you think you can excel at but is below top level then you will need to cover a lot more ground if you ever think you can get drafted.
List of Zaga players in the NBA:
Kelly Olynyk (1st round)
Robert Sacre (2nd round)
Austin Daye (1st round)
David Stockton (undrafted)
List of SJU players in NBA players:
Mo Harkless (1st round)
Jakar Sampson (undrafted)
Zaga has had 8 players drafted since 2002. SJU has had one.
I agree with your general comment about schools on that "mid level" tier, but our main competition of Mussini, Zaga, has an excellent coach that regularly places kids in the NBA. Mussini can get the benefit of the lower compeition level, which will give him room to grow, with perhaps a strong chance to get in the pros.
All that said, the factors in SJU's favor are the style of play that Mullin wants to run (which I hazard to guess, as did Baldi, will be similar to Brey this past year at ND, which favors smart, sharp-shooting 1s, 2s and 3s) and Mullin's NBA background.
Duh and Gonzaga plays a NATIONAL schedule including Arizona and UCLA the type of teams that would expose low level players...or is he going to sit out those games. In addition they play in the NCAA's every year. They are an outlier.
Do you really think he goes to Gonzaga because they play San Francisco? He goes to Gonzaga because despite the lack of depth in their conference they play a NATIONAL big time schedule. You don't get a #2 seed by just beating San Francisco every year.
Nobody in that conference plays the type of non-conference teams that Gonzaga does. That's because Gonzaga is identified more for the power of that program then what conference they play in.
I made a valid arguement as part of a discussion on the topic, in response to valid points that you have as well. If you graduated Fordham in 1996, that implies you are likely 41, which is astounding given your level of discourse. Please try toning it down
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also take into account Few has been there since 1999, and has build a sustained winning program. Last staff was here a small amount of time and probably will have Mo, Sampson, ( dlo and dom probably drafted ) in this draft. We can hope to attain the success Few has had at Zags. Lavin started the roll, train got off track and now Mullin will be like Choo Choo Charlies and drive the train.
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also take into account Few has been there since 1999, and has build a sustained winning program. Last staff was here a small amount of time and probably will have Mo, Sampson, ( dlo and dom probably drafted ) in this draft. We can hope to attain the success Few has had at Zags. Lavin started the roll, train got off track and now Mullin will be like Choo Choo Charlies and drive the train.
Unfortunately, there is no way any of this year's seniors will be drafted. Not even in round two. It's a shame, because I really liked those kids.
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also take into account Few has been there since 1999, and has build a sustained winning program. Last staff was here a small amount of time and probably will have Mo, Sampson, ( dlo and dom probably drafted ) in this draft. We can hope to attain the success Few has had at Zags. Lavin started the roll, train got off track and now Mullin will be like Choo Choo Charlies and drive the train.
Unfortunately, there is no way any of this year's seniors will be drafted. Not even in round two. It's a shame, because I really liked those kids.
Dom has a remote chance to be drafted, but honestly being undrafted like Jakarr and picking the best situation for him may be better.
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I loved the seniors also. I don't think any of them ever play on this continent again. Hoping they see the world and make some money.
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better off going undrafted rather than be a second round pick in my opinion
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i wonder if without Dlo's ankle sprain he would have been drafted higher or at all, He was playing lights out until that injury.
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Wasn't it muscle/strain soreness in calf, thigh? He played hurt the entire last third or so of the season.
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i think he had both at some time during the year, you are right about the calf i remember that also.
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Unfortunately, I don't see Harrison getting drafted. NBA is all about athleticism.
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Shot-making too though. Can he be an Eddie House type? Or Patty mills? I think he has a shot at catching on, and I think Dom does too.
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Shot-making too though. Can he be an Eddie House type? Or Patty mills? I think he has a shot at catching on, and I think Dom does too.
D'lo is a scorer, not a shooter. He will struggle to score at the next level.
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D'lo won't have a position in the NBA. Too small and slow to be a 2 and doesn't have the ballhandling and playmaking to be a PG. That's why he's going to end up undrafted but he will have a long career in Europe
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D'lo won't have a position in the NBA. Too small and slow to be a 2 and doesn't have the ballhandling and playmaking to be a PG. That's why he's going to end up undrafted but he will have a long career in Europe
DLo wasn't even as efficient scorer in college and he wouldnt be anything close to that in the NBA, throw in his size and lack of great athleticism and he has next to no shot of getting drafted. Dom has the athleticism but a 6-6 guard with no outside shot I am not sure he has much of a shot. Great college players but fringe NBA players on there best days I think. Love these two guys btw so not a knock on them just as unbiased a review as I can give.
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D'lo won't have a position in the NBA. Too small and slow to be a 2 and doesn't have the ballhandling and playmaking to be a PG. That's why he's going to end up undrafted but he will have a long career in Europe
DLo wasn't even as efficient scorer in college and he wouldnt be anything close to that in the NBA, throw in his size and lack of great athleticism and he has next to no shot of getting drafted. Dom has the athleticism but a 6-6 guard with no outside shot I am not sure he has much of a shot. Great college players but fringe NBA players on there best days I think. Love these two guys btw so not a knock on them just as unbiased a review as I can give.
I hear you, but I am not sure what separates Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, a likely late first round pick, from Dom, except for one inch in height.
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D'lo won't have a position in the NBA. Too small and slow to be a 2 and doesn't have the ballhandling and playmaking to be a PG. That's why he's going to end up undrafted but he will have a long career in Europe
DLo wasn't even as efficient scorer in college and he wouldnt be anything close to that in the NBA, throw in his size and lack of great athleticism and he has next to no shot of getting drafted. Dom has the athleticism but a 6-6 guard with no outside shot I am not sure he has much of a shot. Great college players but fringe NBA players on there best days I think. Love these two guys btw so not a knock on them just as unbiased a review as I can give.
I hear you, but I am not sure what separates Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, a likely late first round pick, from Dom, except for one inch in height.
Exposure
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D'lo won't have a position in the NBA. Too small and slow to be a 2 and doesn't have the ballhandling and playmaking to be a PG. That's why he's going to end up undrafted but he will have a long career in Europe
DLo wasn't even as efficient scorer in college and he wouldnt be anything close to that in the NBA, throw in his size and lack of great athleticism and he has next to no shot of getting drafted. Dom has the athleticism but a 6-6 guard with no outside shot I am not sure he has much of a shot. Great college players but fringe NBA players on there best days I think. Love these two guys btw so not a knock on them just as unbiased a review as I can give.
I hear you, but I am not sure what separates Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, a likely late first round pick, from Dom, except for one inch in height.
Your not wrong honestly Jefferson is like two inches taller which means something to scouts but he is also 3 year younger with a higher ceiling. NBA draft is all about potential now, 15 years ago I think Dom had a place in the NBA now they don't draft hard nosed hustle guys as much.
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Dom is going to kill it in the Summer League.
I hope Harrison and Greene are able to get into the Summer League too but unfortunately I doubt it. Harrison could be a Langston Galloway if he goes the DLeague route. Galloway is like 6'1.
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Dom is going to kill it in the Summer League.
I hope Harrison and Greene are able to get into the Summer League too but unfortunately I doubt it. Harrison could be a Langston Galloway if he goes the DLeague route. Galloway is like 6'1.
I would think Harrison gets a spot in the d league.
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Dom is going to kill it in the Summer League.
I hope Harrison and Greene are able to get into the Summer League too but unfortunately I doubt it. Harrison could be a Langston Galloway if he goes the DLeague route. Galloway is like 6'1.
I would think Harrison gets a spot in the d league.
He shouldn't want one. He'll never be an NBA player. He'll make way more money in Europe than in the D league
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Dom is going to kill it in the Summer League.
I hope Harrison and Greene are able to get into the Summer League too but unfortunately I doubt it. Harrison could be a Langston Galloway if he goes the DLeague route. Galloway is like 6'1.
I would think Harrison gets a spot in the d league.
He shouldn't want one. He'll never be an NBA player. He'll make way more money in Europe than in the D league
If his dream is to play in the NBA and he wants to give it a go in the D-League for a year or two to see if he has a chance, then he should go for it.
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Harrison doesn't have the size or athletic ability to play in the NBA. He had very a very tough time against guys that could match him physically, as that was his only way to create space. He'll be guarded by guys 3 inches taller with much more length that are more athletic.
He's one of my favorite Johnnies ever....it's just not in the cards for him despite all of his skill. Dom probably stands a better chance as Sampson proved to us this year. He doesn't have Harrison's skill, bu there is nothing holding him back physically.
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Harrison doesn't have the size or athletic ability to play in the NBA. He had very a very tough time against guys that could match him physically, as that was his only way to create space. He'll be guarded by guys 3 inches taller with much more length that are more athletic.
He's one of my favorite Johnnies ever....it's just not in the cards for him despite all of his skill. Dom probably stands a better chance as Sampson proved to us this year. He doesn't have Harrison's skill, bu there is nothing holding him back physically.
Sir'Dom will make it imo. He not only has the physical ability but also can handle the ball at that level. He needs to make his jumper more reliable, but he's versatile, relentless and can be a guy that takes the ball up the court at times. It gives him a bit of an edge with his versatility. I've learned not to write Dom off.
As far as Harrison goes, I think he certainly should try basketbsll for a while at the pro level. Make some money whether it's here or Europe. I do feel though, with his fire and love for the game, his best bet is looking into coaching down the line, at the college level. He has matured a ton, has court smarts, and knows the game quite well. I see him possibly ascending as a coach down the line.
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Harrison has all the offensive tools, long and mid-range shots ,quick and tricky moves to the hoop, 80+ FTs. Borderline athleticism and strength but the former Will make him a decent pro somewhere, very possibly NBA
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Harrison has all the offensive tools, long and mid-range shots ,quick and tricky moves to the hoop, 80+ FTs. Borderline athleticism and strength but the former Will make him a decent pro somewhere, very possibly NBA
If you think he will be anything more than the last guy on an NBA bench you are fooling yourself. However, I said the same thing about JaKarr last year
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Dom is going to kill it in the Summer League.
I hope Harrison and Greene are able to get into the Summer League too but unfortunately I doubt it. Harrison could be a Langston Galloway if he goes the DLeague route. Galloway is like 6'1.
I would think Harrison gets a spot in the d league.
He shouldn't want one. He'll never be an NBA player. He'll make way more money in Europe than in the D league
He shouldnt want an invite to play in front of NBA execs against NBA players? Thats probably only been his dream for the last 21 years.
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Harrison has all the offensive tools, long and mid-range shots ,quick and tricky moves to the hoop, 80+ FTs. Borderline athleticism and strength but the former Will make him a decent pro somewhere, very possibly NBA
No doubt he has all the moves. If Dom had his skill, he'd be the #1 overall pick. The problem is that his athleticism is not borderline...it's very far off. That can be hidden in college to a degree, but there is no hiding it in the NBA. He got his shot blocked A TON in college. He won't be able to get any space in the NBA. I really hope I'm wrong and he makes it. He wouldn't be the first guy to make the NBA with a ton of skill and subpar athleticism. I just don't see it happening.
MCN, I think you may be overstating Dom's handle. He had a below average handle in college for three IMO. He'll have a below average handle in the NBA as well to start. He's going to have to hang his hat on his defense, rebounding, and athletic ability and hope that his shot and handle can develop to the point of making him respectable in those area. Honestly, he just needs some luck. I'm sure there will be some team like Philly that wants to lose with cheap, exciting players. Dom is Mr. SportsCenter Top Ten.
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Don't think any of the seniors are making the NBA . Still they are going to have some amazing life experiences and make a lot of money.
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Dom is going to kill it in the Summer League.
I hope Harrison and Greene are able to get into the Summer League too but unfortunately I doubt it. Harrison could be a Langston Galloway if he goes the DLeague route. Galloway is like 6'1.
I would think Harrison gets a spot in the d league.
He shouldn't want one. He'll never be an NBA player. He'll make way more money in Europe than in the D league
He shouldnt want an invite to play in front of NBA execs against NBA players? Thats probably only been his dream for the last 21 years.
And he could do that in the summer league when he wouldn't lose out on money to played in Europe. If he chooses the D league he's passing on the Europe money
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Dom is going to kill it in the Summer League.
I hope Harrison and Greene are able to get into the Summer League too but unfortunately I doubt it. Harrison could be a Langston Galloway if he goes the DLeague route. Galloway is like 6'1.
I would think Harrison gets a spot in the d league.
He shouldn't want one. He'll never be an NBA player. He'll make way more money in Europe than in the D league
He shouldnt want an invite to play in front of NBA execs against NBA players? Thats probably only been his dream for the last 21 years.
And he could do that in the summer league when he wouldn't lose out on money to played in Europe. If he chooses the D league he's passing on the Europe money
Goredmen, my mistake my original response was supposed to say he should get a spot in the summer league, not the d league.
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Harrison has all the offensive tools, long and mid-range shots ,quick and tricky moves to the hoop, 80+ FTs. Borderline athleticism and strength but the former Will make him a decent pro somewhere, very possibly NBA
If you think he will be anything more than the last guy on an NBA bench you are fooling yourself. However, I said the same thing about JaKarr last year
Didn't you learn your lesson yet? lol Maybe the Costanza "opposite" in effect? ;D
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Don't think any of the seniors are making the NBA . Still they are going to have some amazing life experiences and make a lot of money.
None will play even 1 game in the NBA? Wow
I foresee Dom or D'Lo getting at least one 10 day contract.
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Dom is going to kill it in the Summer League.
I hope Harrison and Greene are able to get into the Summer League too but unfortunately I doubt it. Harrison could be a Langston Galloway if he goes the DLeague route. Galloway is like 6'1.
I would think Harrison gets a spot in the d league.
He shouldn't want one. He'll never be an NBA player. He'll make way more money in Europe than in the D league
He shouldnt want an invite to play in front of NBA execs against NBA players? Thats probably only been his dream for the last 21 years.
And he could do that in the summer league when he wouldn't lose out on money to played in Europe. If he chooses the D league he's passing on the Europe money
Goredmen, my mistake my original response was supposed to say he should get a spot in the summer league, not the d league.
I think Harrison knows his future is in Europe. Seen him communicating with Hardy on twitter.
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Give it a shot, try to latch on with an NBA summer league team. And then assess your options after the summer.
Dom and Dangelo have to at least give it a shot. Theyve come this far.
If the road eventually leads to Europe... so be it.
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I can't see D'Lo in the league at all.
I think Dom has a great chance. If he spends the entire summer shooting 3's from the corner and manages to improve, he could be a starter someday. He has the size/athleticism/motor/defensive prowess of an above average 2/3.
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I know 3pters are super important now a days but Dom could be a better version of Tony Allen. Dom at least has a decent mid ranger jumper.
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I know 3pters are super important now a days but Dom could be a better version of Tony Allen. Dom at least has a decent mid ranger jumper.
Tony allen was a much much better shooter in college than dom was
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I know 3pters are super important now a days but Dom could be a better version of Tony Allen. Dom at least has a decent mid ranger jumper.
Tony allen was a much much better shooter in college than dom was
Much better ball handler and on the ball defender than Dom.
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I think Dom will find a niche in the NBA. He has rare talents.
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love DOM, unfortunately he can not shoot the ball
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I'd think Carter would be replace Jordan IF he were to leave. Makes too much sense.