6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: TONYD3 on December 18, 2014, 08:49:09 AM
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How do you think the season will end?
What kind of team will we put on the floor next year?
Every week their is a new issue why this guy sucks . Some are true, some half true, and some flat out lies.
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the view from the eternal optimist....Jordan stays and is one of the best PGs in the land.....CO and a less plump ADR form twin towers, CO plays unbelievable D and continues to learn Offense.....ADR, soft hands and shoots FTs, becomes a force underneath. Offense direction changes to point and inside.....others develop to fill roles.....pray we get some quality recruits.....borderline torney team if recruits come and we are lucky....otherwise rebuilding year. Jordan is good enough that if he is under control he can carry the team into the post season.
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How do you think the season will end? What kind of team will we put on the floor next year? Every week their is a new issue why this guy sucks . Some are true, some half true, and some flat out lies.
2nd round loss
Bottom 4 in the Big East
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How do you think the season will end?
Statistically there is a 99.1 percent chance that any particular college basketball season will end with a loss. Historically 95. 3 percent of SJU seasons have ended with a loss. So I will go out on a limb and predict the season ends with a loss.
What kind of team will we put on the floor next year?
The current bench is thin, the recruiting class is thinner, and the coach is a chowderhead. So I will predict that there is a high probability that next year's team will be awful.
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How do you think the season will end? What kind of team will we put on the floor next year? Every week their is a new issue why this guy sucks . Some are true, some half true, and some flat out lies.
This year: I think we'll win one game in the NCAAs, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the guys win the BE tournament. And IMO, for any current BE program, that should be considered a more than successful season.
Next year, as I have, and many others have stated before there is next to nothing returning. We already know that Jordan wants very badly to be a pro, and it doesn't seem like whether he is ready to be a pro will factor into his decision. Obekpa had left the program, and then returned. He's not ready for the league, but he may not care. Obekpa could take his dramatic defensive improvement and his marginal offensive improvement to a pro court somewhere in the world. Now, he'll have a chance to play in Italy, France, Greece or Spain if he simply can't stand being here any longer.
And I find that susappinting. I fully understand the rationale of making as much big money as you can while you're young enough to play, but it really feels like under Lavin, and even before him w Jarvis, our guys will get the hell out ASAP in their minds. There is no passion for St.John's, and that is probably why there is no passion from the fan base.
We 're the 24th ranked team in the nation and MSG is half empty in a local rivalry game. I get why Fordham has no support. That adds up.
In short, a good coach and a good program will work to develop continuity. Tell me QuanMan, who will be on the team next year that has had an ounce of responsibility this year?
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I would have went to fordaham game. Had to work. I am big fan . My friends And family come often with me but I almost think it's rude to ask for that kind of game. Would you pay 100 dollars to see the Yankees or mets play a minor league team. That's what it would cost.
We are St. John's not NYC university .
As far as the rest of your post, I agree with it. But I think this is as good as it gets. I think we can be successful going foward, but 1985 isn't happening again. 1999 a team full of local kids isn't happening either.
This guy will recuit, he seems like he is smarter , and he is keeping is revalant. UCONN won last year . Why not us.
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Tony, you're not making sense buddy.
You say that this may be as good as it gets, and that seasons like 1985 or '99 can't happen anymore. And then in your next sentence you say "UCONN won last year, why not us?".
Well which is it?
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Don't hate Lavin or hardly anyone else for that matter but are beginning to hate holes that label people Lavin haters just because they may not think he is a good college basketball coach and or don't want him to coach their team. However, I will indulge and answer your question. Best case scenario is 2-3 wins in NCAA T and with a big year on the court Lavin is able to salvage a good recruiting class and earns an extension. Worse case we end up on the bubble miss out on T bid and recruiting stays sub par and Lavin moves on either of his own accord, by mutual agreement or is asked to leave. Must admit team is preforming better than I thought they would so I will remain optimistic that we have a good season and make the T. Signing good recruits seems to be like pulling teeth lately but a good season should net us at least a few pretty good recruits so some kind of extension without a huge commitment will probably be in the offing. Does that answer your question slurper? :P :)
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Tony- Stop baiting the so-called " haters". Haven't we read enough on this board about how bad everything is?
I admire your optimism, but i can understand other's trepidation.
Lets worry about next year, next year. Lavin will have some players here. We won't be starting walk-on. Projecting next seasons starting 5 now is a waste of time. No one has a clue. Let it all play out.
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Tony- Stop baiting the so-called " haters". Haven't we read enough on this board about how bad everything is? I admire your optimism, but i can understand other's trepidation. Lets worry about next year, next year. Lavin will have some players here. We won't be starting walk-on. Projecting next seasons starting 5 now is a waste of time. No one has a clue. Let it all play out.
Sensible
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Tony, you're not making sense buddy. You say that this may be as good as it gets, and that seasons like 1985 or '99 can't happen anymore. And then in your next sentence you say "UCONN won last year, why not us?". Well which is it?
Agree I should have made more sense. I meant selling out the garden for hoilday festivals , old big east rivalries and other things from the past.
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Tony- Stop baiting the so-called " haters". Haven't we read enough on this board about how bad everything is? I admire your optimism, but i can understand other's trepidation. Lets worry about next year, next year. Lavin will have some players here. We won't be starting walk-on. Projecting next seasons starting 5 now is a waste of time. No one has a clue. Let it all play out.
Question is, when does Lavin start worrying about next year?
He always finds a way to start a walk on, so that's nothing new
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Tony- Stop baiting the so-called " haters". Haven't we read enough on this board about how bad everything is? I admire your optimism, but i can understand other's trepidation. Lets worry about next year, next year. Lavin will have some players here. We won't be starting walk-on. Projecting next seasons starting 5 now is a waste of time. No one has a clue. Let it all play out.
Question is, when does Lavin start worrying about next year? He always finds a way to start a walk on, so that's nothing new
Don't know.. Don't care.. If he ignores it ( which he won't), he will be out of job.. win/win, no?
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I think our defense will enable us to wind up in the top three in the Big East and go into the second or third round in the tourney.
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Tony, you're not making sense buddy. You say that this may be as good as it gets, and that seasons like 1985 or '99 can't happen anymore. And then in your next sentence you say "UCONN won last year, why not us?". Well which is it?
Agree I should have made more sense. I meant selling out the garden for hoilday festivals , old big east rivalries and other things from the past.
Fair enough.
In response to your original question, I think we either miss the tournament or lose in the first round. I base this on the fact that I still don't think this team still can't execute well enough in the halfcourt to beat good teams, and they remain far too thin up front.
For next season, I think we'll be extremely weak, and finish with a well below .500 record. I don't think SJU lands Sampson or Diallo. If I had to guess, our recruiting class will look much like this season's:
a JUCO (who admittedly, may not be terrible), a 3* or two that don't belong starting in the BE as freshmen, and a foreign player that isn't BE ready.
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Tony, you're not making sense buddy. You say that this may be as good as it gets, and that seasons like 1985 or '99 can't happen anymore. And then in your next sentence you say "UCONN won last year, why not us?". Well which is it?
Agree I should have made more sense. I meant selling out the garden for hoilday festivals , old big east rivalries and other things from the past.
Fair enough.
In response to your original question, I think we either miss the tournament or lose in the first round. I base this on the fact that I still don't think this team still can't execute well enough in the halfcourt to beat good teams, and they remain far too thin up front.
For next season, I think we'll be extremely weak, and finish with a well below .500 record. I don't think SJU lands Sampson or Diallo. If I had to guess, our recruiting class will look much like this season's:
a JUCO (who admittedly, may not be terrible), a 3* or two that don't belong starting in the BE as freshmen, and a foreign player that isn't BE ready.
Only question I have on Lavins recruiting.
Will we get another recruit before April? I'm not being sarcastic either
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Tony, you're not making sense buddy. You say that this may be as good as it gets, and that seasons like 1985 or '99 can't happen anymore. And then in your next sentence you say "UCONN won last year, why not us?". Well which is it?
Agree I should have made more sense. I meant selling out the garden for hoilday festivals , old big east rivalries and other things from the past.
Fair enough. In response to your original question, I think we either miss the tournament or lose in the first round. I base this on the fact that I still don't think this team still can't execute well enough in the halfcourt to beat good teams, and they remain far too thin up front. For next season, I think we'll be extremely weak, and finish with a well below .500 record. I don't think SJU lands Sampson or Diallo. If I had to guess, our recruiting class will look much like this season's: a JUCO (who admittedly, may not be terrible), a 3* or two that don't belong starting in the BE as freshmen, and a foreign player that isn't BE ready.
Let's not count out Jordan and Obeckpa from next years team just yet.
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Tony, you're not making sense buddy. You say that this may be as good as it gets, and that seasons like 1985 or '99 can't happen anymore. And then in your next sentence you say "UCONN won last year, why not us?". Well which is it?
Agree I should have made more sense. I meant selling out the garden for hoilday festivals , old big east rivalries and other things from the past.
Fair enough. In response to your original question, I think we either miss the tournament or lose in the first round. I base this on the fact that I still don't think this team still can't execute well enough in the halfcourt to beat good teams, and they remain far too thin up front. For next season, I think we'll be extremely weak, and finish with a well below .500 record. I don't think SJU lands Sampson or Diallo. If I had to guess, our recruiting class will look much like this season's: a JUCO (who admittedly, may not be terrible), a 3* or two that don't belong starting in the BE as freshmen, and a foreign player that isn't BE ready.
Let's not count out Jordan and Obeckpa from next years team just yet.
Why? Chris and Rysheed are counting themselves as out for next year. They've been telling family, friends, and anyone who will listen on twitter that they're gone.
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You guys really can't enjoy anything can you?
Need a break from this place again.. Awful.
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You guys really can't enjoy anything can you? Need a break from this place again.. Awful.
Boo, what are you talking about? Idk about Baldi, or Mullin, or others... but I'm enjoying this season tremendously. Can't wait for tomorrow night. My friends that don't follow SJU are finally hitting me up for tickets again haha. I don't know that we're bound for greatness this year, but so far so good. It's a lot better than the alternative.
But that doesn't change the fact that we've got nobody lined up for next year, and I think our coach is a doofus.
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You guys really can't enjoy anything can you?
Need a break from this place again.. Awful.
Who started this thread?
I believe a pro lavin supporter.
Then people answer, and it's oh you're a lousy fan, or you're giving me a headache.
So why do Lavin supporters bring it up?
BTW I am enjoying the season, if you read my other posts you'd see that.
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"So why do Lavin supporters bring it up?"
If you read the thread, I asked him the same thing..
This whole notion of "Lavin Supporter" being a big deal.. He's the coach of the college team I've been a fan of since I was 10, of course I support him. They are having success. Why would anyone not be "supporting" him? " Well what about Norm"... yeah, what about him? He was here for 6 years and made little to no improvement. Lavin's teams, like it or not, have improved each year, not counting the Cancer year..
No one has said the guy is a great bench coach, no one... He did a terrible job recruiting last season...agreed. The majority of folks on here actually agree with each other, they just like to argue on the internet.
But seriously, if, at 7-1 with two big OC games and then the BE season on the horizon, all you can talk about on a STJ message board is negatives...well that is a YOU problem.
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"So why do Lavin supporters bring it up?"
If you read the thread, I asked him the same thing..
This whole notion of "Lavin Supporter" being a big deal.. He's the coach of the college team I've been a fan of since I was 10, of course I support him. They are having success. Why would anyone not be "supporting" him? " Well what about Norm"... yeah, what about him? He was here for 6 years and made little to no improvement. Lavin's teams, like it or not, have improved each year, not counting the Cancer year..
No one has said the guy is a great bench coach, no one... He did a terrible job recruiting last season...agreed. The majority of folks on here actually agree with each other, they just like to argue on the internet.
But seriously, if, at 7-1 with two big OC games and then the BE season on the horizon, all you can talk about on a STJ message board is negatives...well that is a YOU problem.
Lavin's teams, like it or not, have improved each year, not counting the Cancer year..
Two years ago they won @ St. Joe's and lost in 2nd rnd @ Va.
Last year in 1st rnd got smoked @ home to RM in the 1st rnd.
That's some improvement.
He did a terrible job recruiting last season...agreed.
And where are the recruits for next year? one 3star kid for next year and it's almost 2015.
Just saying, hope we don't wakit until April to get the majority of the recruits.
Yep, I'm negative because I answered the thread with my opinion.
Shame on me. SHAME SHAME SHAME.
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"So why do Lavin supporters bring it up?" If you read the thread, I asked him the same thing.. This whole notion of "Lavin Supporter" being a big deal.. He's the coach of the college team I've been a fan of since I was 10, of course I support him. They are having success. Why would anyone not be "supporting" him? " Well what about Norm"... yeah, what about him? He was here for 6 years and made little to no improvement. Lavin's teams, like it or not, have improved each year, not counting the Cancer year.. No one has said the guy is a great bench coach, no one... He did a terrible job recruiting last season...agreed. The majority of folks on here actually agree with each other, they just like to argue on the internet. But seriously, if, at 7-1 with two big OC games and then the BE season on the horizon, all you can talk about on a STJ message board is negatives...well that is a YOU problem.
Lavin's teams, like it or not, have improved each year, not counting the Cancer year.. Two years ago they won @ St. Joe's and lost in 2nd rnd @ Va. Last year in 1st rnd got smoked @ home to RM in the 1st rnd. That's some improvement. He did a terrible job recruiting last season...agreed. And where are the recruits for next year? one 3star kid for next year and it's almost 2015. Just saying, hope we don't wakit until April to get the majority of the recruits. Yep, I'm negative because I answered the thread with my opinion. Shame on me. SHAME SHAME SHAME.
Not only are you negative, but you are a dope... So you have that going for you.
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"So why do Lavin supporters bring it up?" If you read the thread, I asked him the same thing.. This whole notion of "Lavin Supporter" being a big deal.. He's the coach of the college team I've been a fan of since I was 10, of course I support him. They are having success. Why would anyone not be "supporting" him? " Well what about Norm"... yeah, what about him? He was here for 6 years and made little to no improvement. Lavin's teams, like it or not, have improved each year, not counting the Cancer year.. No one has said the guy is a great bench coach, no one... He did a terrible job recruiting last season...agreed. The majority of folks on here actually agree with each other, they just like to argue on the internet. But seriously, if, at 7-1 with two big OC games and then the BE season on the horizon, all you can talk about on a STJ message board is negatives...well that is a YOU problem.
Lavin's teams, like it or not, have improved each year, not counting the Cancer year.. Two years ago they won @ St. Joe's and lost in 2nd rnd @ Va. Last year in 1st rnd got smoked @ home to RM in the 1st rnd. That's some improvement. He did a terrible job recruiting last season...agreed. And where are the recruits for next year? one 3star kid for next year and it's almost 2015. Just saying, hope we don't wakit until April to get the majority of the recruits. Yep, I'm negative because I answered the thread with my opinion. Shame on me. SHAME SHAME SHAME.
Not only are you negative, but you are a dope... So you have that going for you.
Coming from you thats a compliment so thanks.
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"So why do Lavin supporters bring it up?" If you read the thread, I asked him the same thing.. This whole notion of "Lavin Supporter" being a big deal.. He's the coach of the college team I've been a fan of since I was 10, of course I support him. They are having success. Why would anyone not be "supporting" him? " Well what about Norm"... yeah, what about him? He was here for 6 years and made little to no improvement. Lavin's teams, like it or not, have improved each year, not counting the Cancer year.. No one has said the guy is a great bench coach, no one... He did a terrible job recruiting last season...agreed. The majority of folks on here actually agree with each other, they just like to argue on the internet. But seriously, if, at 7-1 with two big OC games and then the BE season on the horizon, all you can talk about on a STJ message board is negatives...well that is a YOU problem.
Lavin's teams, like it or not, have improved each year, not counting the Cancer year.. Two years ago they won @ St. Joe's and lost in 2nd rnd @ Va. Last year in 1st rnd got smoked @ home to RM in the 1st rnd. That's some improvement. He did a terrible job recruiting last season...agreed. And where are the recruits for next year? one 3star kid for next year and it's almost 2015. Just saying, hope we don't wakit until April to get the majority of the recruits. Yep, I'm negative because I answered the thread with my opinion. Shame on me. SHAME SHAME SHAME.
Ouch
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I do apologize for inflaming the board. I should have phrased the question better. I really did want to hear opinions that are clearly different then mine. I thank those who responded to my orginal question. As for being a Lavin supporter, I agree to a point. I don't love the guy and I don't have blind faith in him. I think the team is playing hard and smart for him. As for being an optimist, the better St. John's is the more college basketball I watch. The more I watch the better I think our team is. I do believe most of you guys agree with that.
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I think the team is playing hard and smart for him. As for being an optimist, the better St. John's is the more college basketball I watch. The more I watch the better I think our team is. I do believe most of you guys agree with that.
Yes, they are playing hard for him. I think they are playing harder for themselves and their temmates.
The seniors know that this is their last shot at making the NCAA tournament, and they want no regrets. Don't let anyone or anything stand in the way.
This year is starting to remind me of 2011. Only difference? That team didn't start playing really well until January.
I believe this year the turning point is the Syracuse game on December 6th.
Struggled somewhat vs. Niagara, since the Cuse game? 20+pnt wins vs. FDU and Fordham. Yeah, I know those two are nobody's, but that's what a real good team supposed to do to nobody's.
Yes Tony, I agree with that.
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I think the team is playing hard and smart for him. As for being an optimist, the better St. John's is the more college basketball I watch. The more I watch the better I think our team is. I do believe most of you guys agree with that.
Yes, they are playing hard for him. I think they are playing harder for themselves and their temmates. The seniors know that this is their last shot at making the NCAA tournament, and they want no regrets. Don't let anyone or anything stand in the way. This year is starting to remind me of 2011. Only difference? That team didn't start playing really well until January. I believe this year the turning point is the Syracuse game on December 6th. Struggled somewhat vs. Niagara, since the Cuse game? 20+pnt wins vs. FDU and Fordham. Yeah, I know those two are nobody's, but that's what a real good team supposed to do to nobody's. Yes Tony, I agree with that.
My question would be why didn't they play for each other the last 3 years then? Maybe if they did they wouldn't have had to worry about this being there last shot. As players they should ALWAYS play for each other.
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I think the team is playing hard and smart for him. As for being an optimist, the better St. John's is the more college basketball I watch. The more I watch the better I think our team is. I do believe most of you guys agree with that.
Yes, they are playing hard for him. I think they are playing harder for themselves and their temmates. The seniors know that this is their last shot at making the NCAA tournament, and they want no regrets. Don't let anyone or anything stand in the way. This year is starting to remind me of 2011. Only difference? That team didn't start playing really well until January. I believe this year the turning point is the Syracuse game on December 6th. Struggled somewhat vs. Niagara, since the Cuse game? 20+pnt wins vs. FDU and Fordham. Yeah, I know those two are nobody's, but that's what a real good team supposed to do to nobody's. Yes Tony, I agree with that.
My question would be why didn't they play for each other the last 3 years then? Maybe if they did they wouldn't have had to worry about this being there last shot. As players they should ALWAYS play for each other.
I don't know, but that's the past and there's no going back now. All they can control is the now.
Forget the past. why didn't why do this or that, You'll make yourself crazy.
The whole season is unfinished business until selection sunday.
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I think the team is playing hard and smart for him. As for being an optimist, the better St. John's is the more college basketball I watch. The more I watch the better I think our team is. I do believe most of you guys agree with that.
Yes, they are playing hard for him. I think they are playing harder for themselves and their temmates. The seniors know that this is their last shot at making the NCAA tournament, and they want no regrets. Don't let anyone or anything stand in the way. This year is starting to remind me of 2011. Only difference? That team didn't start playing really well until January. I believe this year the turning point is the Syracuse game on December 6th. Struggled somewhat vs. Niagara, since the Cuse game? 20+pnt wins vs. FDU and Fordham. Yeah, I know those two are nobody's, but that's what a real good team supposed to do to nobody's. Yes Tony, I agree with that.
My question would be why didn't they play for each other the last 3 years then? Maybe if they did they wouldn't have had to worry about this being there last shot. As players they should ALWAYS play for each other.
I don't know, but that's the past and there's no going back now. All they can control is the now.
Forget the past. why didn't why do this or that, You'll make yourself crazy.
The whole season is unfinished business until selection sunday.
The past is prologue.
If they did it once, then you must guard against reverting to that type of play. You can't dismiss so easily what we saw from this group on a regular basis for 3 years.
I hope we've turned a corner, but it's a mistake to say we're nothing like the teams of '11 '12 or '13. Same staff, and by and large the same players too.
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They may be the same people but they got better as players . Phil greene still plays around the same minutes but he is better then he was 2 years ago. Not only are our players better then they were the teams we are playing are much worse.
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:uglystupid2: Some things never change. I come to this forum when the team is losing, I feel and hear hatred for the coach, and people want him gone. I come to the forum when the team is winning, I feel and hear hatred for the coach, and people want him gone. I have a feeling that if I am ever lucky enough to live long enough (almost 65) to see St. John's win the tournament, and become national champions, I'll come here and experience more hatred for the coach, and some will want him gone. :knuppel2:
When I used to live in Manhattan & Brooklyn, I was a big St. John's fan of course, but also followed Seton Hall as well. When PJ Carlesimo was the coach. I used to listen sometimes to their radio station during their losing years. I heard a lot of complaints about the losing and the players, but I don't recall all of this hate for the coach. :knuppel2: And this was way before his team made to the 1989 Championship game.
I have long since come to the conclusion that the best way to enjoy St. John's basketball, is to not listen to most of their fans, if I did, I would never follow the team again. :'(
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I think the team is playing hard and smart for him. As for being an optimist, the better St. John's is the more college basketball I watch. The more I watch the better I think our team is. I do believe most of you guys agree with that.
Yes, they are playing hard for him. I think they are playing harder for themselves and their temmates. The seniors know that this is their last shot at making the NCAA tournament, and they want no regrets. Don't let anyone or anything stand in the way. This year is starting to remind me of 2011. Only difference? That team didn't start playing really well until January. I believe this year the turning point is the Syracuse game on December 6th. Struggled somewhat vs. Niagara, since the Cuse game? 20+pnt wins vs. FDU and Fordham. Yeah, I know those two are nobody's, but that's what a real good team supposed to do to nobody's. Yes Tony, I agree with that.
My question would be why didn't they play for each other the last 3 years then? Maybe if they did they wouldn't have had to worry about this being there last shot. As players they should ALWAYS play for each other.
I think the players are and have always been playing hard, but they haven't always been playing smart. This year, the team is playing smarter basketball. The past 3 years is on the staff whether you point to the roster, the depth or the system.
Personally, I think it's our system. Last year, we had a roster of experienced players who played like freshman. they could't run the break. They didn't move the ball like a team that had been together for years. That is ALL coaching. Now, the guys are so experienced, that they are more comfortable passing, even if it's not part of the system that coach teaches. Harrison, Greene and Jordan can all get their own shot this season. Most of the time when they excel it's because they've been getting their own shots. Mix in better passing, and some of our opponents have down years, and you've got a better St.John's team.
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I think the team is playing hard and smart for him. As for being an optimist, the better St. John's is the more college basketball I watch. The more I watch the better I think our team is. I do believe most of you guys agree with that.
Yes, they are playing hard for him. I think they are playing harder for themselves and their temmates. The seniors know that this is their last shot at making the NCAA tournament, and they want no regrets. Don't let anyone or anything stand in the way. This year is starting to remind me of 2011. Only difference? That team didn't start playing really well until January. I believe this year the turning point is the Syracuse game on December 6th. Struggled somewhat vs. Niagara, since the Cuse game? 20+pnt wins vs. FDU and Fordham. Yeah, I know those two are nobody's, but that's what a real good team supposed to do to nobody's. Yes Tony, I agree with that.
My question would be why didn't they play for each other the last 3 years then? Maybe if they did they wouldn't have had to worry about this being there last shot. As players they should ALWAYS play for each other.
The talent level has not been there the last 3 years. These kids coming in with no upper class leadership just were not good enough to get it done. Those early recruits were not Duke or Kentucky type players. If one or two were joining an established team, their talent level might have come on earlier. Lets hope this years team can over come the lack of depth and height. Unless coach Steve finds some transfers and JC players it going to be some rough going. For right now, Go Storm.
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:uglystupid2: Some things never change. I come to this forum when the team is losing, I feel and hear hatred for the coach, and people want him gone. I come to the forum when the team is winning, I feel and hear hatred for the coach, and people want him gone. I have a feeling that if I am ever lucky enough to live long enough (almost 65) to see St. John's win the tournament, and become national champions, I'll come here and experience more hatred for the coach, and some will want him gone. :knuppel2: When I used to live in Manhattan & Brooklyn, I was a big St. John's fan of course, but also followed Seton Hall as well. When PJ Carlesimo was the coach. I used to listen sometimes to their radio station during their losing years. I heard a lot of complaints about the losing and the players, but I don't recall all of this hate for the coach. :knuppel2: And this was way before his team made to the 1989 Championship game. I have long since come to the conclusion that the best way to enjoy St. John's basketball, is to not listen to most of their fans, if I did, I would never follow the team again. :'(
Did it ever dawn on you that maybe the hatred for the coach is warranted? And that's why you hear it whether the team is winning or losing?
Wouldn't it be hypocritical if I only talked about Lavin's faults when we lose?
And for the record, PJ is a pretty bright basketball guy, maybe that's why SH fans didn't bash him? Just a guess.
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I think the team is playing hard and smart for him. As for being an optimist, the better St. John's is the more college basketball I watch. The more I watch the better I think our team is. I do believe most of you guys agree with that.
Yes, they are playing hard for him. I think they are playing harder for themselves and their temmates. The seniors know that this is their last shot at making the NCAA tournament, and they want no regrets. Don't let anyone or anything stand in the way. This year is starting to remind me of 2011. Only difference? That team didn't start playing really well until January. I believe this year the turning point is the Syracuse game on December 6th. Struggled somewhat vs. Niagara, since the Cuse game? 20+pnt wins vs. FDU and Fordham. Yeah, I know those two are nobody's, but that's what a real good team supposed to do to nobody's. Yes Tony, I agree with that.
My question would be why didn't they play for each other the last 3 years then? Maybe if they did they wouldn't have had to worry about this being there last shot. As players they should ALWAYS play for each other.
The talent level has not been there the last 3 years. These kids coming in with no upper class leadership just were not good enough to get it done. Those early recruits were not Duke or Kentucky type players. If one or two were joining an established team, their talent level might have come on earlier. Lets hope this years team can over come the lack of depth and height. Unless coach Steve finds some transfers and JC players it going to be some rough going. For right now, Go Storm.
That's nonsense.
Last year's team had sweet 16-type talent.
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I think the team is playing hard and smart for him. As for being an optimist, the better St. John's is the more college basketball I watch. The more I watch the better I think our team is. I do believe most of you guys agree with that.
Yes, they are playing hard for him. I think they are playing harder for themselves and their temmates. The seniors know that this is their last shot at making the NCAA tournament, and they want no regrets. Don't let anyone or anything stand in the way. This year is starting to remind me of 2011. Only difference? That team didn't start playing really well until January. I believe this year the turning point is the Syracuse game on December 6th. Struggled somewhat vs. Niagara, since the Cuse game? 20+pnt wins vs. FDU and Fordham. Yeah, I know those two are nobody's, but that's what a real good team supposed to do to nobody's. Yes Tony, I agree with that.
My question would be why didn't they play for each other the last 3 years then? Maybe if they did they wouldn't have had to worry about this being there last shot. As players they should ALWAYS play for each other.
The talent level has not been there the last 3 years. These kids coming in with no upper class leadership just were not good enough to get it done. Those early recruits were not Duke or Kentucky type players. If one or two were joining an established team, their talent level might have come on earlier. Lets hope this years team can over come the lack of depth and height. Unless coach Steve finds some transfers and JC players it going to be some rough going. For right now, Go Storm.
That's nonsense. Last year's team had sweet 16-type talent.
They had talent but never played as a team from what I could see.
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I think the team is playing hard and smart for him. As for being an optimist, the better St. John's is the more college basketball I watch. The more I watch the better I think our team is. I do believe most of you guys agree with that.
Yes, they are playing hard for him. I think they are playing harder for themselves and their temmates. The seniors know that this is their last shot at making the NCAA tournament, and they want no regrets. Don't let anyone or anything stand in the way. This year is starting to remind me of 2011. Only difference? That team didn't start playing really well until January. I believe this year the turning point is the Syracuse game on December 6th. Struggled somewhat vs. Niagara, since the Cuse game? 20+pnt wins vs. FDU and Fordham. Yeah, I know those two are nobody's, but that's what a real good team supposed to do to nobody's. Yes Tony, I agree with that.
My question would be why didn't they play for each other the last 3 years then? Maybe if they did they wouldn't have had to worry about this being there last shot. As players they should ALWAYS play for each other.
The talent level has not been there the last 3 years. These kids coming in with no upper class leadership just were not good enough to get it done. Those early recruits were not Duke or Kentucky type players. If one or two were joining an established team, their talent level might have come on earlier. Lets hope this years team can over come the lack of depth and height. Unless coach Steve finds some transfers and JC players it going to be some rough going. For right now, Go Storm.
That's nonsense. Last year's team had sweet 16-type talent.
I agree, last year they thought they were better than than were, unfortunately their opponents weren't buying into it. They never seemed to get out of that funk, which made it frustrating to watch. Because left such a bad taste, it worries that they may fall back into believing their hype this year. Hopefully maturity and frustration will drive them this year. Let's enjoy it, because I suspect even when they lose they will go down with a fight.
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Hatrid for Lavin is just tottally unwarranted. Criticize, when justified, but hatred? It's irrational. There is even one post above that argues the staff should get no credit for the way the team is playing , because the quality of play can simply be attributed to the team being more experienced. Some of this stuff is just nuts.
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Hatrid for Lavin is just tottally unwarranted. Criticize, when justified, but hatred? It's irrational. There is even one post above that argues the staff should get no credit for the way the team is playing , because the quality of play can simply be attributed to the team being more experienced. Some of this stuff is just nuts.
I don't think anyone hates Lavin. Norm I hated, but not Lavin.
The coach is getting credit for the way the team is playing. It doesn't matter if 10 fans don't think he deserves it. But since you're so adamant about Lavin getting his due, I'm curious to know if you actually specifically see the difference in his coaching that wasn't here last year?
Or was last year just the fault of the players?
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I think the team is playing hard and smart for him. As for being an optimist, the better St. John's is the more college basketball I watch. The more I watch the better I think our team is. I do believe most of you guys agree with that.
Yes, they are playing hard for him. I think they are playing harder for themselves and their temmates. The seniors know that this is their last shot at making the NCAA tournament, and they want no regrets. Don't let anyone or anything stand in the way. This year is starting to remind me of 2011. Only difference? That team didn't start playing really well until January. I believe this year the turning point is the Syracuse game on December 6th. Struggled somewhat vs. Niagara, since the Cuse game? 20+pnt wins vs. FDU and Fordham. Yeah, I know those two are nobody's, but that's what a real good team supposed to do to nobody's. Yes Tony, I agree with that.
My question would be why didn't they play for each other the last 3 years then? Maybe if they did they wouldn't have had to worry about this being there last shot. As players they should ALWAYS play for each other.
I don't know, but that's the past and there's no going back now. All they can control is the now.
Forget the past. why didn't why do this or that, You'll make yourself crazy.
The whole season is unfinished business until selection sunday.
The past is prologue.
If they did it once, then you must guard against reverting to that type of play. You can't dismiss so easily what we saw from this group on a regular basis for 3 years.
I hope we've turned a corner, but it's a mistake to say we're nothing like the teams of '11 '12 or '13. Same staff, and by and large the same players too.
Yeah, they're the same players. Now here's the difference, after three years of frustration they are finally having the success that they always thought they'd have. Now that they have that and it feels so damn good to them, did you see late in the Fordham game DLo, Green , and someone else (i forget who), were having a great time on the bench. They are a top 20 team, getting the attention that they deserve.
Desco, I really doubt that they want it to come to an end. So yeah, I am damn confident that they'll continue this success.
UNFINISHED BUSINESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Hatrid for Lavin is just tottally unwarranted. Criticize, when justified, but hatred? It's irrational. There is even one post above that argues the staff should get no credit for the way the team is playing , because the quality of play can simply be attributed to the team being more experienced. Some of this stuff is just nuts.
I don't think anyone hates Lavin. Norm I hated, but not Lavin. The coach is getting credit for the way the team is playing. It doesn't matter if 10 fans don't think he deserves it. But since you're so adamant about Lavin getting his due, I'm curious to know if you actually specifically see the difference in his coaching that wasn't here last year? Or was last year just the fault of the players?
Why do you hate Norm? He left the team in better shape than he got here. Jarvis is the man to blame.
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Hatrid for Lavin is just tottally unwarranted. Criticize, when justified, but hatred? It's irrational. There is even one post above that argues the staff should get no credit for the way the team is playing , because the quality of play can simply be attributed to the team being more experienced. Some of this stuff is just nuts.
I don't think anyone hates Lavin. Norm I hated, but not Lavin. The coach is getting credit for the way the team is playing. It doesn't matter if 10 fans don't think he deserves it. But since you're so adamant about Lavin getting his due, I'm curious to know if you actually specifically see the difference in his coaching that wasn't here last year? Or was last year just the fault of the players?
Why do you hate Norm? He left the team in better shape than he got here. Jarvis is the man to blame.
lol Blame Mike for 6 years of garbage basketball under Norm.
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Hatrid for Lavin is just tottally unwarranted. Criticize, when justified, but hatred? It's irrational. There is even one post above that argues the staff should get no credit for the way the team is playing , because the quality of play can simply be attributed to the team being more experienced. Some of this stuff is just nuts.
I don't think anyone hates Lavin. Norm I hated, but not Lavin. The coach is getting credit for the way the team is playing. It doesn't matter if 10 fans don't think he deserves it. But since you're so adamant about Lavin getting his due, I'm curious to know if you actually specifically see the difference in his coaching that wasn't here last year? Or was last year just the fault of the players?
Why do you hate Norm? He left the team in better shape than he got here. Jarvis is the man to blame.
lol Blame Mike for 6 years of garbage basketball under Norm.
Same as we blame 6 years of garbage on norm
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If we make the tourney and then Lavin walks off into the sunset, even if Balamou is the best player on next year's 8-24 team, the Lavin era was a success! Can't spin it any other way.
Is Lavin a great college basketball coach? NO. But that is not an earth shattering comment. We heard this coming in.
Is Lavin full of crap? Yup, but so are 99% of college coaches. Succesful ones anyway.
The only thing seperating Lavin UCLA coach from Lavin SJU coach is even for an excellent rcruiter it is not as easy to recruit kids to Queens as it is to Cali.
Take away the posters with an agenda, most of us just question some of things Lavin does. Does not make us haters just not stepford fans. Perfectly understandable to question a coach on a fan forum. To me the Lavin apostles are just as annoying as the haters!
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A success? Do tell
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Hatrid for Lavin is just tottally unwarranted. Criticize, when justified, but hatred? It's irrational. There is even one post above that argues the staff should get no credit for the way the team is playing , because the quality of play can simply be attributed to the team being more experienced. Some of this stuff is just nuts.
I don't think anyone hates Lavin. Norm I hated, but not Lavin. The coach is getting credit for the way the team is playing. It doesn't matter if 10 fans don't think he deserves it. But since you're so adamant about Lavin getting his due, I'm curious to know if you actually specifically see the difference in his coaching that wasn't here last year? Or was last year just the fault of the players?
Why do you hate Norm? He left the team in better shape than he got here. Jarvis is the man to blame.
lol Blame Mike for 6 years of garbage basketball under Norm. [/quote]
Jarvis was the catalyst, the admin response the direct cause. Norm did what Norm was expected to do, actual success on the floor would have been gravy for the admin. Not a great time to be a Redmen fan. But when Jarvis says he left the program in better shape than he found it I want to throw up. If Norm said it it would only garner a meh. Of course most know I blame Hatten for taking a piss poor 15-13 team and carrying them on his back to the 2003 NIT championship. If they had lost first round NIT Jarvis would have been fired at the appropriate time, rather than 6 games into the next season, Pittsburgh wouldn't have happened and who knows who would have been hired as coach. As long as it wasn't Doh, it would have had to have been better.
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Hatrid for Lavin is just tottally unwarranted. Criticize, when justified, but hatred? It's irrational. There is even one post above that argues the staff should get no credit for the way the team is playing , because the quality of play can simply be attributed to the team being more experienced. Some of this stuff is just nuts.
I don't think anyone hates Lavin. Norm I hated, but not Lavin. The coach is getting credit for the way the team is playing. It doesn't matter if 10 fans don't think he deserves it. But since you're so adamant about Lavin getting his due, I'm curious to know if you actually specifically see the difference in his coaching that wasn't here last year? Or was last year just the fault of the players?
OK, let me add to loughlinguy's response. Hatred for any basketball coach is irrational. Won't stop some from going on like 14 year girls, but that doesn't mean it's not nuts. Same way some folks don't understand the difference between opinions and facts and it's pointless to try and teach them..
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If we make the tourney and then Lavin walks off into the sunset, even if Balamou is the best player on next year's 8-24 team, the Lavin era was a success! Can't spin it any other way. Is Lavin a great college basketball coach? NO. But that is not an earth shattering comment. We heard this coming in. Is Lavin full of crap? Yup, but so are 99% of college coaches. Succesful ones anyway. The only thing seperating Lavin UCLA coach from Lavin SJU coach is even for an excellent rcruiter it is not as easy to recruit kids to Queens as it is to Cali. Take away the posters with an agenda, most of us just question some of things Lavin does. Does not make us haters just not stepford fans. Perfectly understandable to question a coach on a fan forum. To me the Lavin apostles are just as annoying as the haters!
Haha, if that's considered a successful tenure then you are quite accepting of mediocrity
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Two tourney's and Two NIT's in four years is almost Louiesque!
Norm beat out of me any notions that my favorite college basketball program is elite
After the first year was followed up with that first recruiting class did I have delusions of grandeur? Sure. But really if he could just eliminate some of the drama, I am basically satisfied. Assuming of course we make tourney this year.
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While I get your point WASJU, Louie went to 10 NCAA's in his last 11 years (the one year he didn't, NIT Champions), 15 in his last 17. The fact that he got out of the second round only 4 of those 15 times, that's another discussion altogether.
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I did say almost ;)
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I'm smarter than the coach and I'm gonna prove it on these message boards!