6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: paultzman on April 24, 2015, 06:42:54 PM
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@R_Miller12: St. John's grants 6'5 MCS (PA) G Samir Doughty his release from his NLI. Plenty of schools showing interest per a source.
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Wow. Gotta think we get Ellison
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“The main reason Samir chose St. John’s is (coach) Steve Lavin,” Jackson said.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/st-john-basketball-lands-highly-recruited-samir-doughty-article-1.2015802
would explain why he was granted his release...judging by that same article, doesn't look like there were any big programs looking at him...Lasalle, George Mason, Seton Hall.
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This is not good news . The kid could score. We could use him.
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I actually started watching a bunch of videos on him the last week and actually really liked what I saw...Oh well, have to believe this means we have Ellison locked up but wonder what turned the staff off of Doughty
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Can someone explain what's going on with the turnover? This is very disappointing.
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Can someone explain what's going on with the turnover? This is very disappointing.
Sure, I'll explain. The new staff has come in and is going to run this program with the players they choose and will kick the detrimental players out of the program. Some players that have committed to the prior staff have decided to go elsewhere, as is what happens at every school when there is a coaching change.
The 15-16 season was always slated to a rebuilding a transitional season and the new staff is making sure they are brining in players that will make this a consistently competitive program
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This actually really sucks. Someone please tell me we aren't really going to start the 2015-16 season with FB as our starting 2 guard. How did we lose our starting and backup 2 in the span of 4 days.
And Samir could also handle the ball. What happens when Rysheed gets in foul trouble/tired...whos our point guard (not saying Sheed is much of one either)
Imperative now we get (2/3) Malik, Lovett, Mussini
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Again, posters on the ledge. relaxxxx
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Can someone explain what's going on with the turnover? This is very disappointing.
Are you joking? It's a new coach. Happens all the time. Relax
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There's a plan.
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Malik Ellison come on down...
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Can someone explain what's going on with the turnover? This is very disappointing.
the new coach wants his own players? this is pretty normal with a coaching change
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Fellas, Samir could ball, I'm pissed, that's all I'm saying.
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Fellas, Samir could ball, I'm pissed, that's all I'm saying.
I agree. I think this kid will be good.
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Let's relax a bit. Look who Lavin beat out for this kid
COLLEGE CHOICES
School Interest Offer Visit Recruited by
St. John's COMMITTED (11/18/2014) Offered 11/15/2014
Bowling Green None Offered None
George Mason None Offered None
James Madison None Offered None
La Salle None Offered None
Penn St. None Offered None
Rhode Island None Offered None
St. Joseph's None Offered None
Temple None None
Villanova None None
W. Kentucky None Offered None
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This has been in the works for awhile.. Kid is going to be good and 100% wanted to be here. New staff has a plan and hopefully we get ellison to offset this loss .
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Almost all the turnover quite frankly are non-issues.
Delarosa brothers either hardly played or didn't play at all. Stewart was a walk-on.
The recruits are players who hadn't played yet. Sampson we all know the staff wanted him. Doughty was solid but Ellison is more than a reasonable replacement.
Bottom lin is the 3 players we all wanted when the coaching change happened with regards to who they inherited were: 1) Jordan return, 2) Obekpa to return and 3) Sampson to stay committed. #3 stunk but hardly the end of the world. 2 out of 3 is not bad.
Everyone else quite frankly is more than replaceable. And the recruiting has been solid and can and will get better both this year and next.
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If the kid is going to be good and wanted to be here why turn him away? Grades?
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This has been in the works for awhile.. Kid is going to be good and 100% wanted to be here. New staff has a plan and hopefully we get ellison to offset this loss .
Seems harsh to cut a kid loose who signed an LOI and wanted to be here, but guess that's the business. Assume the plan has to do with 2016 SG target(s).
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Almost all the turnover quite frankly are non-issues.
Delarosa brothers either hardly played or didn't play at all. Stewart was a walk-on.
The recruits are players who hadn't played yet. Sampson we all know the staff wanted him. Doughty was solid but Ellison is more than a reasonable replacement.
Bottom lin is the 3 players we all wanted when the coaching change happened with regards to who they inherited were: 1) Jordan return, 2) Obekpa to return and 3) Sampson to stay committed. #3 stunk but hardly the end of the world. 2 out of 3 is not bad.
Everyone else quite frankly is more than replaceable. And the recruiting has been solid and can and will get better both this year and next.
Exactly
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we will be fine.
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We also need bodies for this coming year so this is bad news unless we have several pieces of good news coming.
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This has been in the works for awhile.. Kid is going to be good and 100% wanted to be here. New staff has a plan and hopefully we get ellison to offset this loss .
Seems harsh to cut a kid loose who signed an LOI and wanted to be here, but guess that's the business. Assume the plan has to do with 2016 SG target(s).
As much as I liked the kid him being here would not have stopped staff from recruiting Ellison and if we at the very least got one of Alkins / Heron this kid wouldn't play so this was inevitable
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On the recent posts tab on the left, all I saw was "Doughty released by Marco Baldi." Got a good chuckle out of it.
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Who would you rather have Ellison or Doughty? Btw, we do have Jay Henderson
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Again, posters on the ledge. relaxxxx
exactly, what if, just say, what if mussini came in and kicked sheed to the SG position which most of us think he is more suited to anyway. And what if we get ellison ....get off the ledge till the roster is locked. there are JC and transfers which will balance the roster more.
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On the recent posts tab on the left, all I saw was "Doughty released by Marco Baldi." Got a good chuckle out of it.
Baldi the HEAD recruiter
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Who would you rather have Ellison or Doughty? Btw, we do have Jay Henderson
For those who have a good idea, please answer
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Also maybe Jay Henderson is better?
COLLEGE CHOICES
School Interest Offer Visit Recruited by
Columbia Medium Offered None
Dayton Medium Offered None
Florida St. Medium Offered None
Mississippi St. Medium Offered None
Purdue Medium Offered None
Seton Hall Medium Offered None
St. Joseph's Medium Offered None
Stanford Medium Offered None
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funny as you were answering , i looked up Jay as a senior and ESPN had him ranked as a 3 star and he had alot of pretty good offers. Im glad he's back and looking forward to seeing him play.
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Who would you rather have Ellison or Doughty? Btw, we do have Jay Henderson
For those who have a good idea, please answer
Ellison. Better size and potential to add an inch or two. Mullin wants 6'5-6'6 SGs and 6'6-6'8 SFs. He's not going to roll out three 6'3 guys like Lavin. I think Ellison will be a smarter player and easy kid to coach. Doughty, though, I wi t write off. Kid can get his. I hope he finds a good fit and shines.
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Also maybe Jay Henderson is better?
COLLEGE CHOICES
School Interest Offer Visit Recruited by
Columbia Medium Offered None
Dayton Medium Offered None
Florida St. Medium Offered None
Mississippi St. Medium Offered None
Purdue Medium Offered None
Seton Hall Medium Offered None
St. Joseph's Medium Offered None
Stanford Medium Offered None
Are we sure he is coming back? Is he getting a schollie?
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Who would you rather have Ellison or Doughty? Btw, we do have Jay Henderson
For those who have a good idea, please answer
Ellison. Better size and potential to add an inch or two. Mullin wants 6'5-6'6 SGs and 6'6-6'8 SFs. He's not going to roll out three 6'3 guys like Lavin. I think Ellison will be a smarter player and easy kid to coach. Doughty, though, I wi t write off. Kid can get his. I hope he finds a good fit and shines.
thanks
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For Doughty;
@R_Miller12: ASU, Temple, UConn, Miss St, Eastern Kentucky, JMU, & UT-Chatt. are among some of the schools showing interest in @_BigTicket20
These lists usually don't mean too much initially.
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@R_Miller12: Butler is the latest school to show interest for 2015 Math, Civics & Sciences (PA) G Samir Doughty. @_BigTicket20
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@R_Miller12: Butler is the latest school to show interest for 2015 Math, Civics & Sciences (PA) G Samir Doughty. @_BigTicket20
Really? They change the BE bylaws on transfer rules (including kids who signed NLI's)? Maybe when the conference re-formed it adjusted it's bylaws on intra-conference transfer?
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Or maybe this guy is just blowing smoke out of his arse to prop up his player.
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Or maybe this guy is just blowing smoke out of his arse to prop up his player.
Was that directed at my post?
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Or maybe this guy is just blowing smoke out of his arse to prop up his player.
He was once a coach at Jordan's high school. So you may be right. :)
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Coach K just put a call into Doughtys people
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Fordham - yes. Can't quote from phone.
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Fordham - yes. Can't quote from phone.
Gotcha no problem. I think the BE conference intra-conference rules still prevent something like this from happening.
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Again, posters on the ledge. relaxxxx
Marco, Cluess only lost McFadden when he came to Iona, so it doesn't always happen.
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Most coaches don't come in with two top recruiters either, i rather have a blank canvass to work with and let them put together a balanced roster. By position and year
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Again, posters on the ledge. relaxxxx
Marco, Cluess only lost McFadden when he came to Iona, so it doesn't always happen.
Willard left Cluess a nice roster. Not walkons or naked guys fighting in showers
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Most coaches don't come in with two top recruiters either, i rather have a blank canvass to work with and let them put together a balanced roster. By position and year
I'd much rather have Sampson and Doughty on the roster than a blank canvas.
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Again, posters on the ledge. relaxxxx
Marco, Cluess only lost McFadden when he came to Iona, so it doesn't always happen.
Willard left Cluess a nice roster. Not walkons or naked guys fighting in showers
Exactly Marco, that's why I am not relaxing. I wouod much rather have a "nice roster" of players like Cluess had. This is why I'm not relaxxxing
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Would you rather have Lavin, Sampson and Doughty with the brothers delarosa or Mullin Slice, Matty A, Sima Williams, Owens (16) and mending a relationship with NYC programs like CTK who have a stud we are now back in the game with? And i'll say it again…i liked Lavin and Mullin is probably the only guy (realistically) i would of taken over him returning. Plus the canvass can still have Ellison, Lovett, Mussini, and Diallo most importantly
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Would you rather have Lavin, Sampson and Doughty with the brothers delarosa or Mullin Slice, Matty A, Sima Williams, Owens (16) and mending a relationship with NYC programs like CTK who have a stud we are now back in the game with? And i'll say it again…i liked Lavin and Mullin is probably the only guy (realistically) i would of taken over him returning. Plus the canvass can still have Ellison, Lovett, Mussini, and Diallo most importantly
Are we close with Ellison? Posters on this board are acting like we are. I hope so. Also, has Rawlee put us on his list yet in an on camera interview, because in the last one he purposely didn't mention us. And another question: Is the Obekpa situation the reason why CM went out to see Diallo? They are both OSNA guys.
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Humpy, Dumpty and now Doughty now gone. All replaceable
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“The main reason Samir chose St. John’s is (coach) Steve Lavin,” Jackson said.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/st-john-basketball-lands-highly-recruited-samir-doughty-article-1.2015802
would explain why he was granted his release...judging by that same article, doesn't look like there were any big programs looking at him...Lasalle, George Mason, Seton Hall.
Gotta wonder what the basketball reason is for choosing Lavin. What experience are you pointing to that makes you envious?
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“The main reason Samir chose St. John’s is (coach) Steve Lavin,” Jackson said.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/st-john-basketball-lands-highly-recruited-samir-doughty-article-1.2015802
would explain why he was granted his release...judging by that same article, doesn't look like there were any big programs looking at him...Lasalle, George Mason, Seton Hall.
Gotta wonder what the basketball reason is for choosing Lavin. What experience are you pointing to that makes you envious?
A good salesman can sell ice to an Eskimo.
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I'm fine with moving on if the staff feels its the right thing. It's early enough in the process and better for the kid in the long run. Our staff will get the pieces they want, and it will really start to pick up for 16' and 17' classes. Nothing wrong with parting ways now imo.
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Humpy, Dumpty and now Doughty now gone. All replaceable
more like afa and sika apparently the wild delarosans
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Can someone explain what's going on with the turnover? This is very disappointing.
the new coach wants his own players? this is pretty normal with a coaching change
lol Exactly, Chris knows exactly who he wants. I guess some on here don't have faith in Chris (a former GM and scout man.)and 2 top recruiters.
Don't worry about it.
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I liked this kid. Sorry to see him go but I believe Coach Mullin and staff have a plan.
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Can someone explain what's going on with the turnover? This is very disappointing.
the new coach wants his own players? this is pretty normal with a coaching change
lol Exactly, Chris knows exactly who he wants. I guess some on here don't have faith in Chris (a former GM and scout man.)and 2 top recruiters.
Don't worry about it.
If Chris et. al. felt he was a priority they would have schmoozed him from day one with a call/visit to reassure him. They did not contact him for a few weeks which was the hand writing on the wall. He was not a priority in their strategy for rebuilding the team.
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A bird in hand....
I don't know the strategy...but I'll be pissed if we play five or six guys next season.
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Humpy, Dumpty and now Doughty now gone. All replaceable
more like afa and sika apparently the wild delarosans
The Bronx Bombers
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A bird in hand....
I don't know the strategy...but I'll be pissed if we play five or six guys next season.
We won't. Will will add more guys, possibly Ellison soon. We already have guys returning that will play and guys coming in that will play. Giving a kid a scholarship just because, if the staff doesn't feel he's a good fit, is not the right thing. I'd rather see the staff rebuild this team the way they feel appropriate.
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Some of you guys are making it seem like we just lost Malik Newman or something.
We'll be fine.
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A bird in hand....
I don't know the strategy...but I'll be pissed if we play five or six guys next season.
We won't. Will will add more guys, possibly Ellison soon. We already have guys returning that will play and guys coming in that will play. Giving a kid a scholarship just because, if the staff doesn't feel he's a good fit, is not the right thing. I'd rather see the staff rebuild this team the way they feel appropriate.
+1.
It's a combination of the staff wanting their own guys, and recruits wanting coaches they are familiar with.
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A bird in hand....
I don't know the strategy...but I'll be pissed if we play five or six guys next season.
We won't. Will will add more guys, possibly Ellison soon. We already have guys returning that will play and guys coming in that will play. Giving a kid a scholarship just because, if the staff doesn't feel he's a good fit, is not the right thing. I'd rather see the staff rebuild this team the way they feel appropriate.
+1.
It's a combination of the staff wanting their own guys, and recruits wanting coaches they are familiar with.
If these kids don't want to work hard, which is what our staff reflects, better look elsewhere. If you don't want to play for a Hall of Famer with a top staff, we don't want Ya.
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Not a big loss. Much rather add PG and frontcourt depth. I'd also rather have Heron and Alkins in 2016 if it means losing Doughty.
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Most coaches don't come in with two top recruiters either, i rather have a blank canvass to work with and let them put together a balanced roster. By position and year
I'd much rather have Sampson and Doughty on the roster than a blank canvas.
Most coaches don't come in with two top recruiters either, i rather have a blank canvass to work with and let them put together a balanced roster. By position and year
I'd much rather have Sampson and Doughty on the roster than a blank canvas.
Then you, my friend, don't understand how huge it is that we have Slice. Everyone that has ever met Slice, loves him. Add to that one of the most creative and hardest working recruiters in the country in Matt A. Sampson was a tough loss because he fit into what Mullin is trying to build, but Doughty will be replaced in a few days by a prospect that is better suited for the new St. John's program. Plus, Heron and the talented 2016 class will be amazing.
Let's have some faith people.
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We currently have 1 guard on the roster. People are worried about putting bodies on the court next year. If we fall completely flat next year it could hurt recruiting momentum. I'm not expecting miracles for next year but if Doughty really wanted to be here I'm surprised we let him go.
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We currently have 1 guard on the roster. People are worried about putting bodies on the court next year. If we fall completely flat next year it could hurt recruiting momentum. I'm not expecting miracles for next year but if Doughty really wanted to be here I'm surprised we let him go.
So little faith, jumpinjohnny?
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We currently have 1 guard on the roster. People are worried about putting bodies on the court next year. If we fall completely flat next year it could hurt recruiting momentum. I'm not expecting miracles for next year but if Doughty really wanted to be here I'm surprised we let him go.
So little faith, jumpinjohnny?
Just a lot of roster uncertainty
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We currently have 1 guard on the roster. People are worried about putting bodies on the court next year. If we fall completely flat next year it could hurt recruiting momentum. I'm not expecting miracles for next year but if Doughty really wanted to be here I'm surprised we let him go.
Why don't you trust the staff? Do you really think they'd let a quality player walk if they didn't feel good about what was coming up this week?
Also, what is this one guard nonsense? Jordan, a former 5* PG, is entering his junior season and will be playing around 32 mpg. We just signed M'Vouika, a 6'5 2/3 that grew up playing PG, who has four years and a prep season at prestigious Huntington prep under his belt. Balamou, while probably better suited for the three offensively (at least under Lavin), can play the two at 6'4 and can defend the one or two spots effectively. There is also Henderson, with a year under his belt. I know he carries the dreaded walk on label, but he held several offers and had interest from some big programs. We'll have Ellison by Wednesday.
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I don't think anyone is expecting a top 10 season next year but it would absolutely behoove us to be competitive next year. Maybe an NIT season.
Why? Because right now the stigma is Mullin has never coached. If we fall flat on our face next year what's the #1 thing that's gonna hurt recruiting for 2016 and beyond? Players being told by others "don't go to sju, mullin can't coach they won 10 games last year"
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I don't think anyone is expecting a top 10 season next year but it would absolutely behoove us to be competitive next year. Maybe an NIT season.
Why? Because right now the stigma is Mullin has never coached. If we fall flat on our face next year what's the #1 thing that's gonna hurt recruiting for 2016 and beyond? Players being told by others "don't go to sju, mullin can't coach they won 10 games last year"
Completely agree, DJ. We can end those fears/knocks really quickly like Hoiberg did. I don't think Doughty was (nor will Ellison be) the answer for that. To be competitive next year, we need at least one more immediately eligible transfer. I don't trust freshman. Diallo is a little different than the typical freshman, but he won't be Batman or even Robin.
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I don't think anyone is expecting a top 10 season next year but it would absolutely behoove us to be competitive next year. Maybe an NIT season.
Why? Because right now the stigma is Mullin has never coached. If we fall flat on our face next year what's the #1 thing that's gonna hurt recruiting for 2016 and beyond? Players being told by others "don't go to sju, mullin can't coach they won 10 games last year"
Agree...not sure why everyone is so defensive
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I don't think anyone is expecting a top 10 season next year but it would absolutely behoove us to be competitive next year. Maybe an NIT season.
Why? Because right now the stigma is Mullin has never coached. If we fall flat on our face next year what's the #1 thing that's gonna hurt recruiting for 2016 and beyond? Players being told by others "don't go to sju, mullin can't coach they won 10 games last year"
Agree...not sure why everyone is so defensive
Nobody argues what KJ posted. We are all aware that opposing coaches will be spewing that nonsense to recruits until Mullin proves them wrong by winning. If we're all being honest, I'm sure every poster has a little of that fear personally. But to post that you are worried that we won't have enough bodies to put on the floor is way past that. We have Slice and Matt recruiting for a legend. We'll have the bodies. If we feel that we can't replace Samir Doughty, a three-star player with eligibility concerns, than we should have switched staffs to begin win.
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I don't think anyone is expecting a top 10 season next year but it would absolutely behoove us to be competitive next year. Maybe an NIT season.
Why? Because right now the stigma is Mullin has never coached. If we fall flat on our face next year what's the #1 thing that's gonna hurt recruiting for 2016 and beyond? Players being told by others "don't go to sju, mullin can't coach they won 10 games last year"
Agree...not sure why everyone is so defensive
Nobody argues what KJ posted. We are all aware that opposing coaches will be spewing that nonsense to recruits until Mullin proves them wrong by winning. If we're all being honest, I'm sure every poster has a little of that fear personally. But to post that you are worried that we won't have enough bodies to put on the floor is way past that. We have Slice and Matt recruiting for a legend. We'll have the bodies. If we feel that we can't replace Samir Doughty, a three-star player with eligibility concerns, than we should have switched staffs to begin win.
Rysheed Jordan is the only true backcourt player committed to play here next year. I like Henderson's potential but he's more of a 3...M'vouika, Balamou, and Ellison (who is not even committed yet) look like small forwards as well. Can they take spot time at the 2...sure. But I see no problem wondering what the coaches' strategy is...Like I said before hopefully Doughty's release means the staff is confident someone else is coming on board. Hopefully a few somebodies.
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M'Vouika is a 2 guard. And everyone agrees SJU is not done on recruiting.
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M'Vouika is a 2 guard. And everyone agrees SJU is not done on recruiting.
He's listed in the recruiting chart as a 3. That may be part of the confusion.
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I think we go to the final 4 if we kept Doughty
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I stand corrected...all is well
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I think we go to the final 4 if we kept Doughty
Damn. Wish he stayed then.
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@AdamZagoria: Sounds like former SJU commit Samir Doughty will prep next year.
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@AdamZagoria: Sounds like former SJU commit Samir Doughty will prep next year.
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Maybe it is a grades issue.
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A fuzzy pix becomes clear.
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Maybe it is a grades issue.
Looks like from a family member:
@Shellshockit: @AdamZagoria @CerasolisGhost He is completely eligible
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So much ado about nothing.