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Title: Doughty Released
Post by: paultzman on April 24, 2015, 06:42:54 PM
@R_Miller12: St. John's grants 6'5 MCS (PA) G Samir Doughty his release from his NLI. Plenty of schools showing interest per a source.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: Marco Baldi on April 24, 2015, 06:51:20 PM
Wow. Gotta think we get Ellison
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: Dan on April 24, 2015, 06:52:27 PM
“The main reason Samir chose St. John’s is (coach) Steve Lavin,” Jackson said.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/st-john-basketball-lands-highly-recruited-samir-doughty-article-1.2015802

would explain why he was granted his release...judging by that same article, doesn't look like there were any big programs looking at him...Lasalle, George Mason, Seton Hall.

Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: TONYD3 on April 24, 2015, 07:01:13 PM
This is not good news . The kid could score. We could use him.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: queensfinest on April 24, 2015, 07:02:35 PM
I actually started watching a bunch of videos on him the last week and actually really liked what I saw...Oh well, have to believe this means we have Ellison locked up but wonder what turned the staff off of Doughty
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: QuanMan on April 24, 2015, 07:03:02 PM
Can someone explain what's going on with the turnover? This is very disappointing.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: goredmen on April 24, 2015, 07:09:37 PM
Can someone explain what's going on with the turnover? This is very disappointing.

Sure, I'll explain. The new staff has come in and is going to run this program with the players they choose and will kick the detrimental players out of the program. Some players that have committed to the prior staff have decided to go elsewhere, as is what happens at every school when there is a coaching change.

The 15-16 season was always slated to a rebuilding a transitional season and the new staff is making sure they are brining in players that will make this a consistently competitive program
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: KJ_Django on April 24, 2015, 07:14:40 PM
This actually really sucks. Someone please tell me we aren't really going to start the 2015-16 season with FB as our starting 2 guard.  How did we lose our starting and backup 2 in the span of 4 days.

And Samir could also handle the ball. What happens when Rysheed gets in foul trouble/tired...whos our point guard (not saying Sheed is much of one either)

Imperative now we get (2/3) Malik, Lovett, Mussini
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: Marco Baldi on April 24, 2015, 07:19:17 PM
Again, posters on the ledge. relaxxxx
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: wpc77 on April 24, 2015, 07:24:27 PM
Can someone explain what's going on with the turnover? This is very disappointing.

Are you joking? It's a new coach. Happens all the time. Relax
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: paultzman on April 24, 2015, 07:26:26 PM
There's a plan.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: fordham96 on April 24, 2015, 07:27:17 PM
Malik Ellison come on down...
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: Dan on April 24, 2015, 07:27:20 PM
Can someone explain what's going on with the turnover? This is very disappointing.

the new coach wants his own players?  this is pretty normal with a coaching change
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: QuanMan on April 24, 2015, 07:27:21 PM
Fellas, Samir could ball, I'm pissed, that's all I'm saying.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: TONYD3 on April 24, 2015, 07:29:38 PM
Fellas, Samir could ball, I'm pissed, that's all I'm saying.
I agree. I think this kid will be good.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: Marco Baldi on April 24, 2015, 07:33:13 PM
Let's relax a bit. Look who Lavin beat out for this kid


COLLEGE CHOICES
School   Interest   Offer   Visit   Recruited by
St. John's   COMMITTED (11/18/2014)   Offered   11/15/2014   
Bowling Green   None   Offered   None   
George Mason   None   Offered   None   
James Madison   None   Offered   None   
La Salle   None   Offered   None   
Penn St.   None   Offered   None   
Rhode Island   None   Offered   None   
St. Joseph's   None   Offered   None   
Temple   None      None   
Villanova   None      None   
W. Kentucky   None   Offered   None   
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Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: Happy on April 24, 2015, 07:34:14 PM
This has been in the works for awhile.. Kid is going to be good and 100% wanted to be here.  New staff has a plan and hopefully we get ellison to offset this loss .
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: fordham96 on April 24, 2015, 07:37:21 PM
Almost all the turnover quite frankly are non-issues.

Delarosa brothers either hardly played or didn't play at all.  Stewart was a walk-on. 

The recruits are players who hadn't played yet.  Sampson we all know the staff wanted him.  Doughty was solid but Ellison is more than a reasonable replacement.

Bottom lin is the 3 players we all wanted when the coaching change happened with regards to who they inherited were: 1) Jordan return, 2) Obekpa to return and 3) Sampson to stay committed.  #3 stunk but hardly the end of the world.  2 out of 3 is not bad.

Everyone else quite frankly is more than replaceable.  And the recruiting has been solid and can and will get better both this year and next.

Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: TheVig on April 24, 2015, 07:37:49 PM
If the kid is going to be good and wanted to be here why turn him away? Grades?
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: mkras99 on April 24, 2015, 07:47:02 PM
This has been in the works for awhile.. Kid is going to be good and 100% wanted to be here.  New staff has a plan and hopefully we get ellison to offset this loss .

Seems harsh to cut a kid loose who signed an LOI and wanted to be here, but guess that's the business.  Assume the plan has to do with 2016 SG target(s).
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: paultzman on April 24, 2015, 07:47:19 PM
Almost all the turnover quite frankly are non-issues.

Delarosa brothers either hardly played or didn't play at all.  Stewart was a walk-on. 

The recruits are players who hadn't played yet.  Sampson we all know the staff wanted him.  Doughty was solid but Ellison is more than a reasonable replacement.

Bottom lin is the 3 players we all wanted when the coaching change happened with regards to who they inherited were: 1) Jordan return, 2) Obekpa to return and 3) Sampson to stay committed.  #3 stunk but hardly the end of the world.  2 out of 3 is not bad.

Everyone else quite frankly is more than replaceable.  And the recruiting has been solid and can and will get better both this year and next.


Exactly
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: lihoop on April 24, 2015, 07:55:03 PM
we will be fine.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: jumpinjohnny on April 24, 2015, 07:56:13 PM
We also need bodies for this coming year so this is bad news unless we have several pieces of good news coming.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: Happy on April 24, 2015, 07:59:50 PM
This has been in the works for awhile.. Kid is going to be good and 100% wanted to be here.  New staff has a plan and hopefully we get ellison to offset this loss .

Seems harsh to cut a kid loose who signed an LOI and wanted to be here, but guess that's the business.  Assume the plan has to do with 2016 SG target(s).
As much as I liked the kid him being here would not have stopped staff from recruiting Ellison and if we at the very least got one of Alkins / Heron this kid wouldn't play so this was inevitable
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: Marillac on April 24, 2015, 08:00:54 PM
On the recent posts tab on the left, all I saw was "Doughty released by Marco Baldi." Got a good chuckle out of it.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: Marco Baldi on April 24, 2015, 08:01:15 PM
Who would you rather have Ellison or Doughty?  Btw, we do have Jay Henderson
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: valgoth on April 24, 2015, 08:01:36 PM
Again, posters on the ledge. relaxxxx
exactly, what if, just say, what if mussini came in and kicked sheed to the SG position which most of us think he is more suited to anyway.  And what if we get ellison ....get off the ledge till the roster is locked. there are JC and transfers which will balance the roster more.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: Marco Baldi on April 24, 2015, 08:01:49 PM
On the recent posts tab on the left, all I saw was "Doughty released by Marco Baldi." Got a good chuckle out of it.

Baldi the HEAD recruiter
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: TONYD3 on April 24, 2015, 08:07:54 PM
Who would you rather have Ellison or Doughty?  Btw, we do have Jay Henderson
For those who have a good idea, please answer
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: Marco Baldi on April 24, 2015, 08:09:06 PM
Also maybe Jay Henderson is better?

COLLEGE CHOICES
School   Interest   Offer   Visit   Recruited by
Columbia   Medium   Offered   None   
Dayton   Medium   Offered   None   
Florida St.   Medium   Offered   None   
Mississippi St.   Medium   Offered   None   
Purdue   Medium   Offered   None   
Seton Hall   Medium   Offered   None   
St. Joseph's   Medium   Offered   None   
Stanford   Medium   Offered   None   
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: valgoth on April 24, 2015, 08:13:15 PM
funny as you were answering , i looked up Jay as a senior and ESPN had him ranked as a 3 star and he had alot of pretty good offers. Im glad he's back  and looking forward to seeing him play.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: Marillac on April 24, 2015, 08:16:45 PM
Who would you rather have Ellison or Doughty?  Btw, we do have Jay Henderson
For those who have a good idea, please answer

Ellison. Better size and potential to add an inch or two. Mullin wants 6'5-6'6 SGs and 6'6-6'8 SFs.  He's not going to roll out three 6'3 guys like Lavin. I think Ellison will be a smarter player and easy kid to coach.  Doughty, though, I wi t write off.  Kid can get his.  I hope he finds a good fit and shines.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: jumpinjohnny on April 24, 2015, 08:23:37 PM
Also maybe Jay Henderson is better?

COLLEGE CHOICES
School   Interest   Offer   Visit   Recruited by
Columbia   Medium   Offered   None   
Dayton   Medium   Offered   None   
Florida St.   Medium   Offered   None   
Mississippi St.   Medium   Offered   None   
Purdue   Medium   Offered   None   
Seton Hall   Medium   Offered   None   
St. Joseph's   Medium   Offered   None   
Stanford   Medium   Offered   None   


Are we sure he is coming back? Is he getting a schollie?
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: TONYD3 on April 24, 2015, 08:48:36 PM
Who would you rather have Ellison or Doughty?  Btw, we do have Jay Henderson
For those who have a good idea, please answer

Ellison. Better size and potential to add an inch or two. Mullin wants 6'5-6'6 SGs and 6'6-6'8 SFs.  He's not going to roll out three 6'3 guys like Lavin. I think Ellison will be a smarter player and easy kid to coach.  Doughty, though, I wi t write off.  Kid can get his.  I hope he finds a good fit and shines.
thanks
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: paultzman on April 24, 2015, 08:52:39 PM
For Doughty;
@R_Miller12: ASU, Temple, UConn, Miss St, Eastern Kentucky, JMU, & UT-Chatt. are among some of the schools showing interest in @_BigTicket20

These lists usually don't mean too much initially.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: paultzman on April 24, 2015, 09:00:23 PM
@R_Miller12: Butler is the latest school to show interest for 2015 Math, Civics & Sciences (PA) G Samir Doughty. @_BigTicket20
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: fordham96 on April 24, 2015, 09:04:43 PM
@R_Miller12: Butler is the latest school to show interest for 2015 Math, Civics & Sciences (PA) G Samir Doughty. @_BigTicket20

Really?  They change the BE bylaws on transfer rules (including kids who signed NLI's)?  Maybe when the conference re-formed it adjusted it's bylaws on intra-conference transfer?
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: mkras99 on April 24, 2015, 09:07:19 PM
Or maybe this guy is just blowing smoke out of his arse to prop up his player.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: fordham96 on April 24, 2015, 09:09:35 PM
Or maybe this guy is just blowing smoke out of his arse to prop up his player.

Was that directed at my post?
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: paultzman on April 24, 2015, 09:10:29 PM
Or maybe this guy is just blowing smoke out of his arse to prop up his player.

He was once a coach at Jordan's high school. So you may be right. :)
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: Marco Baldi on April 24, 2015, 09:13:35 PM
Coach K just put a call into Doughtys people
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: mkras99 on April 24, 2015, 09:56:46 PM
Fordham - yes. Can't quote from phone.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: fordham96 on April 24, 2015, 10:08:36 PM
Fordham - yes. Can't quote from phone.

Gotcha no problem.  I think the BE conference intra-conference rules still prevent something like this from happening.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: WillieG on April 24, 2015, 10:16:02 PM
Again, posters on the ledge. relaxxxx
Marco, Cluess only lost McFadden when he came to Iona, so it doesn't always happen.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: erickthered on April 24, 2015, 10:23:03 PM
Most coaches don't come in with two top recruiters either, i rather have a blank canvass to work with and let them put together a balanced roster. By position and year
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: Marco Baldi on April 24, 2015, 10:30:11 PM
Again, posters on the ledge. relaxxxx
Marco, Cluess only lost McFadden when he came to Iona, so it doesn't always happen.

Willard left Cluess a nice roster. Not walkons or naked guys fighting in showers
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: WillieG on April 24, 2015, 10:30:55 PM
Most coaches don't come in with two top recruiters either, i rather have a blank canvass to work with and let them put together a balanced roster. By position and year
I'd much rather have Sampson and Doughty on the roster than a blank canvas.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: WillieG on April 24, 2015, 10:32:54 PM
Again, posters on the ledge. relaxxxx
Marco, Cluess only lost McFadden when he came to Iona, so it doesn't always happen.

Willard left Cluess a nice roster. Not walkons or naked guys fighting in showers
Exactly Marco, that's why I am not relaxing.  I wouod much rather have a "nice roster" of players like Cluess had.  This is why I'm not relaxxxing
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: erickthered on April 24, 2015, 10:36:49 PM
Would you rather have Lavin, Sampson and Doughty with the brothers delarosa or Mullin Slice, Matty A, Sima Williams, Owens (16) and mending a relationship with NYC programs like CTK who have a stud we are now back in the game with? And i'll say it again…i liked Lavin and Mullin is probably the only guy (realistically) i would of taken over him returning. Plus the canvass can still have Ellison, Lovett, Mussini, and Diallo most importantly
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: WillieG on April 24, 2015, 11:01:08 PM
Would you rather have Lavin, Sampson and Doughty with the brothers delarosa or Mullin Slice, Matty A, Sima Williams, Owens (16) and mending a relationship with NYC programs like CTK who have a stud we are now back in the game with? And i'll say it again…i liked Lavin and Mullin is probably the only guy (realistically) i would of taken over him returning. Plus the canvass can still have Ellison, Lovett, Mussini, and Diallo most importantly
Are we close with Ellison?  Posters on this board are acting like we are.  I hope so. Also, has Rawlee put us on his list yet in an on camera interview, because in the last one he purposely didn't mention us.  And another question: Is the Obekpa situation the reason why CM went out to see Diallo?  They are both OSNA guys.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: Marco Baldi on April 24, 2015, 11:29:10 PM
Humpy, Dumpty and now Doughty now gone. All replaceable
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: Poison on April 24, 2015, 11:31:04 PM
“The main reason Samir chose St. John’s is (coach) Steve Lavin,” Jackson said.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/st-john-basketball-lands-highly-recruited-samir-doughty-article-1.2015802

would explain why he was granted his release...judging by that same article, doesn't look like there were any big programs looking at him...Lasalle, George Mason, Seton Hall.


Gotta wonder what the basketball reason is for choosing Lavin. What experience are you pointing to that makes you envious?
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: desco80 on April 24, 2015, 11:42:52 PM
“The main reason Samir chose St. John’s is (coach) Steve Lavin,” Jackson said.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/st-john-basketball-lands-highly-recruited-samir-doughty-article-1.2015802

would explain why he was granted his release...judging by that same article, doesn't look like there were any big programs looking at him...Lasalle, George Mason, Seton Hall.


Gotta wonder what the basketball reason is for choosing Lavin. What experience are you pointing to that makes you envious?

A good salesman can sell ice to an Eskimo.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: MCNPA on April 24, 2015, 11:52:46 PM
I'm fine with moving on if the staff feels its the right thing.  It's early enough in the process and better for the kid in the long run.  Our staff will get the pieces they want, and it will really start to pick up for 16' and 17' classes.  Nothing wrong with parting ways now imo.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: mjmaherjr on April 25, 2015, 12:10:16 AM
Humpy, Dumpty and now Doughty now gone. All replaceable
more like afa and sika apparently the wild delarosans
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: mullin85berry86 on April 25, 2015, 01:47:31 AM
Can someone explain what's going on with the turnover? This is very disappointing.

the new coach wants his own players?  this is pretty normal with a coaching change

lol Exactly, Chris knows exactly who he wants. I guess some on here don't have faith in Chris (a former GM and scout man.)and 2 top recruiters.
Don't worry about it.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: PEEKSKILLREDDEVIL on April 25, 2015, 10:37:35 AM
I liked this kid. Sorry to see him go but I believe Coach Mullin and staff have a plan.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: redslope on April 25, 2015, 11:16:49 AM
Can someone explain what's going on with the turnover? This is very disappointing.

the new coach wants his own players?  this is pretty normal with a coaching change

lol Exactly, Chris knows exactly who he wants. I guess some on here don't have faith in Chris (a former GM and scout man.)and 2 top recruiters.
Don't worry about it.

If Chris et. al. felt he was a priority they would have schmoozed him from day one with a call/visit to reassure him.  They did not contact him for a few weeks which was the hand writing on the wall.   He was not a priority in their strategy for rebuilding the team.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: newsman13 on April 25, 2015, 11:20:37 AM
A bird in hand....

I don't know the strategy...but I'll be pissed if we play five or six guys next season.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: qcredman on April 25, 2015, 11:26:03 AM
Humpy, Dumpty and now Doughty now gone. All replaceable
more like afa and sika apparently the wild delarosans

The Bronx Bombers
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: MCNPA on April 25, 2015, 11:29:29 AM
A bird in hand....

I don't know the strategy...but I'll be pissed if we play five or six guys next season.

We won't.  Will will add more guys, possibly Ellison soon.  We already have guys returning that will play and guys coming in that will play. Giving a kid a scholarship just because, if the staff doesn't feel he's a good fit, is not the right thing.  I'd rather see the staff rebuild this team the way they feel appropriate.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: f0rtycaliber on April 25, 2015, 01:44:12 PM
Some of you guys are making it seem like we just lost Malik Newman or something.

We'll be fine.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: desco80 on April 25, 2015, 03:25:18 PM
A bird in hand....

I don't know the strategy...but I'll be pissed if we play five or six guys next season.

We won't.  Will will add more guys, possibly Ellison soon.  We already have guys returning that will play and guys coming in that will play. Giving a kid a scholarship just because, if the staff doesn't feel he's a good fit, is not the right thing.  I'd rather see the staff rebuild this team the way they feel appropriate.

+1.
It's a combination of the staff wanting their own guys, and recruits wanting coaches they are familiar with. 
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: Marco Baldi on April 25, 2015, 03:28:28 PM
A bird in hand....

I don't know the strategy...but I'll be pissed if we play five or six guys next season.

We won't.  Will will add more guys, possibly Ellison soon.  We already have guys returning that will play and guys coming in that will play. Giving a kid a scholarship just because, if the staff doesn't feel he's a good fit, is not the right thing.  I'd rather see the staff rebuild this team the way they feel appropriate.

+1.
It's a combination of the staff wanting their own guys, and recruits wanting coaches they are familiar with. 

If these kids don't want to work hard, which is what our staff reflects, better look elsewhere.  If you don't want to play for a Hall of Famer with a top staff, we don't want Ya.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: Johnny23 on April 25, 2015, 03:32:32 PM
Not a big loss. Much rather add PG and frontcourt depth. I'd also rather have Heron and Alkins in 2016 if it means losing Doughty.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: Marillac on April 25, 2015, 04:00:01 PM
Most coaches don't come in with two top recruiters either, i rather have a blank canvass to work with and let them put together a balanced roster. By position and year
I'd much rather have Sampson and Doughty on the roster than a blank canvas.
Most coaches don't come in with two top recruiters either, i rather have a blank canvass to work with and let them put together a balanced roster. By position and year
I'd much rather have Sampson and Doughty on the roster than a blank canvas.

Then you, my friend, don't understand how huge it is that we have Slice.  Everyone that has ever met Slice, loves him.  Add to that one of the most creative and hardest working recruiters in the country in Matt A.  Sampson was a tough loss because he fit into what Mullin is trying to build, but Doughty will  be replaced in a few days by a prospect that is better suited for the new St. John's program.  Plus, Heron and the talented 2016 class will be amazing. 

Let's have some faith people.

Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: jumpinjohnny on April 25, 2015, 04:01:46 PM
We currently have 1 guard on the roster.  People are worried about putting bodies on the court next year.  If we fall completely flat next year it could hurt recruiting momentum.  I'm not expecting miracles for next year but if Doughty really wanted to be here I'm surprised we let him go.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: francois arouet on April 25, 2015, 04:11:03 PM
We currently have 1 guard on the roster.  People are worried about putting bodies on the court next year.  If we fall completely flat next year it could hurt recruiting momentum.  I'm not expecting miracles for next year but if Doughty really wanted to be here I'm surprised we let him go.


So little faith, jumpinjohnny?
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: jumpinjohnny on April 25, 2015, 04:18:27 PM
We currently have 1 guard on the roster.  People are worried about putting bodies on the court next year.  If we fall completely flat next year it could hurt recruiting momentum.  I'm not expecting miracles for next year but if Doughty really wanted to be here I'm surprised we let him go.


So little faith, jumpinjohnny?

Just a lot of roster uncertainty
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: Marillac on April 25, 2015, 04:25:12 PM
We currently have 1 guard on the roster.  People are worried about putting bodies on the court next year.  If we fall completely flat next year it could hurt recruiting momentum.  I'm not expecting miracles for next year but if Doughty really wanted to be here I'm surprised we let him go.

Why don't you trust the staff?  Do you really think they'd let a quality player walk if they didn't feel good about what was coming up this week?

Also, what is this one guard nonsense?  Jordan, a former 5* PG, is entering his junior season and will be playing around 32 mpg.  We just signed M'Vouika, a 6'5 2/3 that grew up playing PG, who has four years and a prep season at prestigious Huntington prep under his belt.  Balamou, while probably better suited for the three offensively (at least under Lavin), can play the two at 6'4 and can defend the one or two spots effectively.  There is also Henderson, with a year under his belt.  I know he carries the dreaded walk on label, but he held several offers and had interest from some big programs.  We'll have  Ellison by Wednesday.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: KJ_Django on April 25, 2015, 05:23:49 PM
I don't think anyone is expecting a top 10 season next year but it would absolutely behoove us to be competitive next year. Maybe an NIT season.

Why? Because right now the stigma is Mullin has never coached. If we fall flat on our face next year what's the #1 thing that's gonna hurt recruiting for 2016 and beyond? Players being told by others "don't go to sju, mullin can't coach they won 10 games last year"

Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: Marillac on April 25, 2015, 06:02:35 PM
I don't think anyone is expecting a top 10 season next year but it would absolutely behoove us to be competitive next year. Maybe an NIT season.

Why? Because right now the stigma is Mullin has never coached. If we fall flat on our face next year what's the #1 thing that's gonna hurt recruiting for 2016 and beyond? Players being told by others "don't go to sju, mullin can't coach they won 10 games last year"



Completely agree, DJ.  We can end those fears/knocks really quickly like Hoiberg did.  I don't think Doughty was (nor will Ellison be) the answer for that.  To be competitive next year, we need at least one more immediately eligible transfer.  I don't trust freshman.  Diallo is a little different than the typical freshman, but he won't be Batman or even Robin. 
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: jumpinjohnny on April 25, 2015, 07:15:00 PM
I don't think anyone is expecting a top 10 season next year but it would absolutely behoove us to be competitive next year. Maybe an NIT season.

Why? Because right now the stigma is Mullin has never coached. If we fall flat on our face next year what's the #1 thing that's gonna hurt recruiting for 2016 and beyond? Players being told by others "don't go to sju, mullin can't coach they won 10 games last year"



Agree...not sure why everyone is so defensive
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: Marillac on April 25, 2015, 07:28:58 PM
I don't think anyone is expecting a top 10 season next year but it would absolutely behoove us to be competitive next year. Maybe an NIT season.

Why? Because right now the stigma is Mullin has never coached. If we fall flat on our face next year what's the #1 thing that's gonna hurt recruiting for 2016 and beyond? Players being told by others "don't go to sju, mullin can't coach they won 10 games last year"



Agree...not sure why everyone is so defensive

Nobody argues what KJ posted.  We are all aware that opposing coaches will be spewing that nonsense to recruits until Mullin proves them wrong by winning.  If we're all being honest, I'm sure every poster has a little of that fear personally.  But to post that you are worried that we won't have enough bodies to put on the floor is way past that.  We have Slice and Matt recruiting for a legend.  We'll have the bodies. If we feel that we can't replace Samir Doughty, a three-star player with eligibility concerns, than we should have switched staffs to begin win. 
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: jumpinjohnny on April 25, 2015, 10:37:50 PM
I don't think anyone is expecting a top 10 season next year but it would absolutely behoove us to be competitive next year. Maybe an NIT season.

Why? Because right now the stigma is Mullin has never coached. If we fall flat on our face next year what's the #1 thing that's gonna hurt recruiting for 2016 and beyond? Players being told by others "don't go to sju, mullin can't coach they won 10 games last year"



Agree...not sure why everyone is so defensive

Nobody argues what KJ posted.  We are all aware that opposing coaches will be spewing that nonsense to recruits until Mullin proves them wrong by winning.  If we're all being honest, I'm sure every poster has a little of that fear personally.  But to post that you are worried that we won't have enough bodies to put on the floor is way past that.  We have Slice and Matt recruiting for a legend.  We'll have the bodies. If we feel that we can't replace Samir Doughty, a three-star player with eligibility concerns, than we should have switched staffs to begin win. 

Rysheed Jordan is the only true backcourt player committed to play here next year.  I like Henderson's potential but he's more of a 3...M'vouika, Balamou, and Ellison (who is not even committed yet) look like small forwards as well.  Can they take spot time at the 2...sure.  But I see no problem wondering what the coaches' strategy is...Like I said before hopefully Doughty's release means the staff is confident someone else is coming on board.  Hopefully a few somebodies.



Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: fordham96 on April 25, 2015, 10:49:25 PM
M'Vouika is a 2 guard.  And everyone agrees SJU is not done on recruiting.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: simplyred on April 25, 2015, 10:57:13 PM
M'Vouika is a 2 guard.  And everyone agrees SJU is not done on recruiting.

He's listed in the recruiting chart as a 3.  That may be part of the confusion.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: Marco Baldi on April 25, 2015, 11:00:36 PM
I think we go to the final 4 if we kept Doughty
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: jumpinjohnny on April 25, 2015, 11:03:41 PM
I stand corrected...all is well
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: stjohnnie75 on April 25, 2015, 11:21:16 PM
I think we go to the final 4 if we kept Doughty

Damn. Wish he stayed then.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: stjohnnie75 on April 27, 2015, 12:38:00 PM
@AdamZagoria: Sounds like former SJU commit Samir Doughty will prep next year.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: paultzman on April 27, 2015, 12:38:05 PM
@AdamZagoria: Sounds like former SJU commit Samir Doughty will prep next year.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: MCNPA on April 27, 2015, 12:39:24 PM
Maybe it is a grades issue.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: hnk on April 27, 2015, 12:39:49 PM
A fuzzy pix becomes clear.
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: stjohnnie75 on April 27, 2015, 12:50:04 PM
Maybe it is a grades issue.

Looks like from a family member:

@Shellshockit: @AdamZagoria @CerasolisGhost  He is completely eligible
Title: Re: Doughty Released
Post by: Moose on April 27, 2015, 12:50:07 PM
So much ado about nothing.