6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: LoganK on February 20, 2015, 07:08:01 PM
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I'm going to try and make daily posts on this thread, highlighting all the potential "bubble games" on a given day. For those of you obsessed with this time of year like I am, should hopefully provide an easy way to keep track of such things.
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2/20/15
Very light schedule. These games are reaches to be defined as "bubble games."
Green Bay (21-6) hosts Cleveland St. (16-11)
GB likely has no shot at an at-large, but they have an almost respectable profile, but with a 46 RPI and a 65 BPI (and more importantly, no important games tonight) I figured I'd include them.
Iona (21-6) visits Marist (5-21)
Just throwing you a bone Baldi, this will likely be the only time Iona appears on this thread :) RPI of 46, but a BPI in the 80s with no top 100 RPI wins.
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2/20/15
Very light schedule. These games are reaches to be defined as "bubble games."
Green Bay (21-6) hosts Cleveland St. (16-11)
GB likely has no shot at an at-large, but they have an almost respectable profile, but with a 46 RPI and a 65 BPI (and more importantly, no important games tonight) I figured I'd include them.
Iona (21-6) visits Marist (5-21)
Just throwing you a bone Baldi, this will likely be the only time Iona appears on this thread :) RPI of 46, but a BPI in the 80s with no top 100 RPI wins.
Great thread!
Should Iona win out,, RPI will be in the low 30s.
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I'm going to try and make daily posts on this thread, highlighting all the potential "bubble games" on a given day. For those of you obsessed with this time of year like I am, should hopefully provide an easy way to keep track of such things.
Great idea...thanks
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Green Bay loses in OT to Cleveland St. 66-61. If it wasn't official before, it is now. Automatic bid or bust.
Iona squeaked one out against Marist 72-68. While the RPI number doesn't/won't look bad, Iona is 0-3 against the top 100 RPI. Automatic bid or bust (sorry Baldi, although, I think you already knew this)
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2/21/15 - Next Saturday shouldn't be as long, as some of this will sort itself out
AAC:
Cincinatti (17-9) visits Houston. A win does nothing, but a loss could be detrimental.
A 10:
UMass (16-10) @ VCU. VCU has a bid locked up, UMass has work to do, this is a big opportunity for them.
Dayton (20-5) @ Duquesne. Much like Cinci, a loss would be terrible, but a win does nothing.
Rhode Island (18-6) @ George Mason. Common theme today, loss = bad, win = nothing.
GW (17-9) @ Richmond. GW may already need a conference tournament title to make it
Davidson (18-6) hosts Fordham: This is getting repetitive. Davidson can't lose this game if they want to dance.
ACC:
Pitt (17-10) @ Syracuse. Pitt has an interesting profile. Tough schedule, but not a lot to show for it plus 2 bad losses. Will need to win out the reg season.
Miami (17-9) @ Louisville. Big chance for Miami to get another high quality road win. Will likely need to win either this game or the home game vs. UNC.
Virginia Tech @ NC State (15-11). With several high quality wins and one bad loss (@WF), the profile looks good. The only problem is the record. NC State needs this game.
Big 12:
Iowa State @ Texas (17-9). Texas has one top 50 win. This is one of four remaining chances to add to that tally. Their worst loss is a home loss to #53 Stanford, but at some point they must show they can win some of these tough games. This will be an interesting team to watch down the stretch.
Big East:
Seton Hall (15-11) @ SJU (17-9). Believe it or not, SHU is still alive, but might need to win out. A win here doesn't help SJU as much as a loss would hurt.
Butler (19-7) @ Xavier (17-10). Butler is likely in. Xavier is in a similar position to SJU, and likely must win 3 more games (b/w regular season and BET)
Depaul @ Georgetown (17-8). A loss wouldn't eliminate Gtown, but a win likely locks up a bid as this is their last chance for a bad loss...something they don't have (worst loss is home to Xavier)
Big Ten: (thanks for having no bubble games today)
Pac 12:
Cal @ Stanford (16-9). While 6-1 vs 51-100, Stanford is 1-5 against the top 50. Their only chance to add to that is the finale against Arizona, which might be a must win depending on how the conference tourney plays out.
UCLA (16-11) @ Arizona. UCLA has one top 50 win, a home victory over #9 Utah. They are 6-10 vs. the top 100, and this is their last chance to make a statement. Might be a must win.
SEC:
Texas A&M (18-7) @ South Carolina. While they would survive a loss at SC, they would do well by themselves not to risk it.
Florida @ LSU (18-8). LSU, despite a few bad losses, is 4-3 vs top 50 and 9-5 vs top 100. Two, possibly three more wins (and not losing to Auburn) would likely mean they are in, despite an iffy RPI of 50.
Tennessee @ Ole Miss (18-8). Ole Miss is another interesting one. Two top 50 wins, three bad losses. Luckilly they have no real land mines from here out, but winning 3 of their last 5 would be recommended.
Georgia @ Alabama. Alabama would likely have to win out, Georgia has a decent but not spectacular resume.
Other:
Gonzaga at St. Mary's (19-6). St. Mary's has three games remaining. This one, and two stinkers. Win all three, and they have an outside shot for an at-large. RPI is iffy at 54, but more important is the one top 100 win vs BYU to go with two bad losses. Likely must win conference tourney.
Louisana Tech @ ODU (19-6). ODU is another interesting one. Three really bad losses, a neutral court win against LSU, and a big home win over VCU. I don't think it'll be enough, and the AQ might be their only chance.
*If I missed something, feel free to let me know via PM and I will edit the post.
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I didn't understand why some were rooting for Xavier to beat Cincy the other night. Cincy seems to be in, while we are on that some bubble as Xavier.
In the smaller conferences, we need the favorites to win their conference tourneys
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I didn't understand why some were rooting for Xavier to beat Cincy the other night. Cincy seems to be in, while we are on that some bubble as Xavier.
In the smaller conferences, we need the favorites to win their conference tourneys
For me, the answer is two-fold. One, I have a hard time rooting against the BE. Especially the way the conference has been disrespected since realignment. In addition, every non-conference win bolsters the resumes of every conference team. With Xavier winning that game, it affected the 2 times they played every other BE team, improving all of our profiles.
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Looking around conferences, I think VCU winning the A10 would be crucial for our bubble. Maybe just them and Dayton get in. Should teams like UMass or Rhode Island run the table, a spot we are fighting for gets taken
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2/21/15 - Next Saturday shouldn't be as long, as some of this will sort itself out
AAC:
Cincinatti (17-9) visits Houston. A win does nothing, but a loss could be detrimental.
A 10:
UMass (16-10) @ VCU. VCU has a bid locked up, UMass has work to do, this is a big opportunity for them.
Dayton (20-5) @ Duquesne. Much like Cinci, a loss would be terrible, but a win does nothing.
Rhode Island (18-6) @ George Mason. Common theme today, loss = bad, win = nothing.
GW (17-9) @ Richmond. GW may already need a conference tournament title to make it
Davidson (18-6) hosts Fordham: This is getting repetitive. Davidson can't lose this game if they want to dance.
ACC:
Pitt (17-10) @ Syracuse. Pitt has an interesting profile. Tough schedule, but not a lot to show for it plus 2 bad losses. Will need to win out the reg season.
Miami (17-9) @ Louisville. Big chance for Miami to get another high quality road win. Will likely need to win either this game or the home game vs. UNC.
Virginia Tech @ NC State (15-11). With several high quality wins and one bad loss (@WF), the profile looks good. The only problem is the record. NC State needs this game.
Big 12:
Iowa State @ Texas (17-9). Texas has one top 50 win. This is one of four remaining chances to add to that tally. Their worst loss is a home loss to #53 Stanford, but at some point they must show they can win some of these tough games. This will be an interesting team to watch down the stretch.
Big East:
Seton Hall (15-11) @ SJU (17-9). Believe it or not, SHU is still alive, but might need to win out. A win here doesn't help SJU as much as a loss would hurt.
Butler (19-7) @ Xavier (17-10). Butler is likely in. Xavier is in a similar position to SJU, and likely must win 3 more games (b/w regular season and BET)
Depaul @ Georgetown (17-8). A loss wouldn't eliminate Gtown, but a win likely locks up a bid as this is their last chance for a bad loss...something they don't have (worst loss is home to Xavier)
Big Ten: (thanks for having no bubble games today)
Pac 12:
Cal @ Stanford (16-9). While 6-1 vs 51-100, Stanford is 1-5 against the top 50. Their only chance to add to that is the finale against Arizona, which might be a must win depending on how the conference tourney plays out.
UCLA (16-11) @ Arizona. UCLA has one top 50 win, a home victory over #9 Utah. They are 6-10 vs. the top 100, and this is their last chance to make a statement. Might be a must win.
SEC:
Texas A&M (18-7) @ South Carolina. While they would survive(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png) a loss at SC, they would do well by themselves not to risk it.
Florida @ LSU (18-8). LSU, despite a few bad losses, is 4-3 vs top 50 and 9-5 vs top 100. Two, possibly three more wins (and not losing to Auburn) would likely mean they are in, despite an iffy RPI of 50.
Tennessee @ Ole Miss (18-8). Ole Miss is another interesting one. Two top 50 wins, three bad losses. Luckilly they have no real land mines from here out, but winning 3 of their last 5 would be recommended.
Georgia @ Alabama. Alabama would likely have to win out, Georgia has a decent but not spectacular resume.
Other:
Gonzaga at St. Mary's (19-6). St. Mary's has three games remaining. This one, and two stinkers. Win all three, and they have an outside shot for an at-large. RPI is iffy at 54, but more important is the one top 100 win vs BYU to go with two bad losses. Likely must win conference tourney.
Louisana Tech @ ODU (19-6). ODU is another interesting one. Three really bad losses, a neutral court win against LSU, and a big home win over VCU. I don't think it'll be enough, and the AQ might be their only chance.
*If I missed something, feel free to let me know via PM and I will edit the post.
Well done Logan. An extra element - I bolded all teams currently in Lunardi's tourney bracket, underlined last four in, italicized first four out.
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Well done Logan. An extra element - I bolded all teams currently in Lunardi's tourney bracket, underlined last four in, italicized first four out.
Awesome, i'll be sure to add that element (or something to that effect) from here out. Thanks.
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Scores from 2/21 (will be updated)
AAC:
Cincinatti (17-9) @ Houston - Cinci 63 Hou 53
A 10:
UMass (16-10) @ VCU - VCU 78 UMass72
Dayton (20-5) @ Duquesne - Duquesne 83 Dayton 73
Rhode Island (18-6) @ George Mason - URI 71 GM 56
GW (17-9) @ Richmond - Richmond 56 GW 48
Davidson (18-6) hosts Fordham - Davidson 76 Fordham 57
ACC:
Pitt (17-10) @ Syracuse - Pitt 65 Syracuse 61
Miami (17-9) @ Louisville - Louisville 55 Miami 53
Virginia Tech @ NC State (15-11) - NC State 69 VT 53
Big 12:
Iowa State @ Texas (17-9) - Iowa State 85 Texas 77
West Virginia @ Ok St (17-10) - WVU 73 Ok St 63
Big East:
Seton Hall (15-11) @ SJU (17-9) - SJU 85 SHU 72
Butler (19-7) @ Xavier (17-10) - Xavier 73 Butler 56
Depaul @ Georgetown (17-8) - G'town 68 Depaul 63
Pac 12:
Cal @ Stanford (16-9) - Stanford 72 Cal 61
UCLA (16-11) @ Arizona - Ari 57 UCLA 47
SEC:
Texas A&M (18-7) @ South Carolina - A&M 62 SC 52
Florida @ LSU (18-8) - LSU 70 Florida 60
Tennessee @ Ole Miss (18-8) - Ole Miss 59 Tenn 57
Georgia (16-9) @ Alabama (16-10) - Georgia 66 Alabama 65 OT
Other:
Gonzaga at St. Mary's (19-6) - Gonzaga 70 St Mary's 70
LOUISIANA TECH @ ODU (19-6) - ODU 72 La Tech 53
*Teams projected as in are in bold. Teams part of the last four in are also underlined. Teams part of the first four out are italicized. Any team with a record posted is on the bubble.
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Those other Gaels taking it to Gonzaga!
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2/22/15
Ohio State (19-7) @ Michigan - OSU will probably be a lock after these next two games. @Michigan (#91) and home for Nebraska (109).
Utah @ Oregon (19-8) - Oregon is 0-3 vs top 25, 2-2 vs 25-50, 5-2 vs 51-100. One bad loss. Only other chance for a good win is @Stanford (50). This would be the signature win their profile lacks.
Iowa (16-10) @ Nebraska - Iowa has a strong profile despite the record. Road win at UNC, swept Ohio state, plus a home win vs. Maryland. Two more wins should get them in, although they might need three to avoid having 14 losses (rare for a 14 loss team to make the tourney).
Indiana (18-9) @ Rutgers - One more win should get Indiana in. Win either here or the next game @NW. A loss in one of those would be their first bad loss of the season with 6 top 50 wins.
Temple (19-8) @ Tulsa (18-6) - Temple has a win over the #1 RPI team vs. Kansas. They have 5 more top 100 wins. Their most recent loss @SMU was their first loss with their full lineup intact. Will be interesting to see how the committee treats them. I haven't understood Tulsa's proximity to the field. I think they still have to finish 4-1 and win a game or two. They still have Cinci and @SMU on the schedule. I don't think they get it done.
Michigan St. (18-8) @ Illinois (17-9) - Winner would likely just need to avoid bad losses from here on out. I think both need another top 50 win before the year is over, but they both have multiple chances to do so.
*Teams projected as in are in bold. Teams part of the last four in are also underlined. Teams part of the first four out are italicized. Any team with a record posted is on the bubble.
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Lunadi has us at the top of the bubble
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2/22/15
Ohio State (19-7) @ Michigan - Michigan 64 OSU 57
Utah @ Oregon (19-8) - Oregon 69 Utah 58
Iowa (16-10) @ Nebraska - Iowa 74 Nebraska 46
Indiana (18-9) @ Rutgers - Indiana 84 Rutgers 54
Temple (19-8) @ Tulsa (18-6) - Tulsa 55 Temple 39
Michigan St. (18-8) @ Illinois (17-9) - Michigan St. 60 Illinois 53
*Teams projected as in are in bold. Teams part of the last four in are also underlined. Teams part of the first four out are italicized. Any team with a record posted is on the bubble.
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2/22/15
Ohio State (19-7) @ Michigan - Michigan 64 OSU 57
Utah @ Oregon (19-8) - Oregon 69 Utah 58
Iowa (16-10) @ Nebraska - Iowa 74 Nebraska 46
Indiana (18-9) @ Rutgers - Indiana 84 Rutgers 54
Temple (19-8) @ Tulsa (18-6) - Tulsa 55 Temple 39
Michigan St. (18-8) @ Illinois (17-9) - Michigan St. 60 Illinois 53
*Teams projected as in are in bold. Teams part of the last four in are also underlined. Teams part of the first four out are italicized. Any team with a record posted is on the bubble.
Oregon snaking its way in to bubble talk. I wonder if Tulsa can get there.
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2/22/15
Ohio State (19-7) @ Michigan - Michigan 64 OSU 57
Utah @ Oregon (19-8) - Oregon 69 Utah 58
Iowa (16-10) @ Nebraska - Iowa 74 Nebraska 46
Indiana (18-9) @ Rutgers - Indiana 84 Rutgers 54
Temple (19-8) @ Tulsa (18-6) - Tulsa 55 Temple 39
Michigan St. (18-8) @ Illinois (17-9) - Michigan St. 60 Illinois 53
*Teams projected as in are in bold. Teams part of the last four in are also underlined. Teams part of the first four out are italicized. Any team with a record posted is on the bubble.
Oregon snaking its way in to bubble talk. I wonder if Tulsa can get there.
Tulsa's resume is garbage. Lost to Oral Roberts and a D2 team.
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Only bubble game on 2/23 was us. If you didn't know....we won. Both teams in pretty good shape to dance.
2/24/15
Texas (17-10) @ WVU - Texas is 1-9 vs the top 50. 4-10 vs the top 100. Their worst loss is to Stanford (51). They've lost 6 of 9. I think that all puts them firmly on the bubble. It's great to play tough teams, but you need to win some of the games.
LSU (19-8) @ Auburn - LSU is one of the last four byes according to Lunardi. When you're one of the last four byes you don't want to lose @Auburn (130). Would be their 4th bad loss, and another reason to keep them out despite being 4-4 vs the top 50, 9-5 top 100.
NC State (16-11) @ UNC - A loss @UNC isn't a resume killer for NC State, but this is a big chance to move themselves off the bubble. Would still need to avoid a loss in their next game @BC either way.
Boston College @ Pitt (18-10) - Pitt likely has to win out the regular season to have a chance. They face one top 100 opponent the rest of the way (Miami #66)
New Mexico @ Boise State (20-7) - I don't see Boise State making it without winning out. That includes @San Diego State and three teams worse than 150 in the RPI.
*Teams projected as in are in bold. Teams part of the last four in are also underlined. Teams part of the first four out are italicized. Any team with a record posted is on the bubble.
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A Cuse win over ND tonight will help out.
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Texas down 13 right now late 2nd half @ WVU. This would be their 3rd loss in a row and they have @Kansas / Baylor / Kansas St left. We should move ahead of them if they lose to WVU.
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A Cuse win over ND tonight will help out.
Slipping away from them. I like Johnson from cuse. Some ladontae henton in his game.
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2/24/15 - results and reaction
Texas (17-10) @ WVU - WVU 71 Texas 64 I think Texas now has to beat Kansas or Baylor, beat KState in the finale, and then get another top 50 win in the Big 12 tourney to have a chance. We'll see what happens.
LSU (19-8) @ Auburn - LSU 84 Auburn 61 LSU only has one more "bad loss" potential game on the schedule, home to Tennesee (88). One or two more wins between now and the NCAA tourney and they should be in.
NC State (16-11) @ UNC - NC State 58 UNC 46 Wow. NC State may have just punched their ticket as long as they don't do something stupid and lose their next game @BC. Home win vs Duke, Road wins at UNC and Louisville. One bad loss @WF
Boston College @ Pitt (18-10) - Pitt 71 BC 65 Nothing changes here. Pitt still needs to keep winning
New Mexico @ Boise State (20-7) - Boise State 76 New Mexico 65 Same thing, Boise must keep winning.
*Teams projected as in are in bold. Teams part of the last four in are also underlined. Teams part of the first four out are italicized. Any team with a record posted is on the bubble.
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2/25/15
George Mason @ Dayton (20-6) - Dayton is more of an 11 seed than the 9 Lunardi has them at, IMO. Either way, a loss to George Mason (222) would put them squarely on the bubble.
Davidson (19-6) @ Rhode Island (19-6) - This might be a play-out game. Davidson might be able to recover from a loss, but URI might be done if they lose.
Indiana (19-9) @ Northwestern - Indiana is in unless they lose out. Win this game and it locks them up.
UCF @ Cincinnati (18-9) - Cinci was inching towards a lock before a three game losing streak. Now they must have two potential land mines starting with UCF.
Tulane @ Tulsa (19-7) - A loss here all but ends Tulsa's chances.
Florida St @ Miami (17-10) - Miami just about needs to win out.
San Jose State @ Colorado State ( 23-5) - Over their final three games, Colorado St faces RPI teams 335, 292, and 148. Potential losses a bubble team cannot afford.
Illinois (17-10) @ Iowa (17-10) - Both have pretty good wins with only one bad loss. Both would like another good win. Illinois needs this more than Iowa.
Georgia (17-9) @ Ole Miss (19-8) - Unless they plan on beating Kentucky, Georgia needs this game IMO. Ole Miss would likely survive a loss.
Washington @ UCLA (16-12) - UCLA has two top 50 wins (both home games). One bad loss. This game vs 89, followed by two more home games vs 140 and 185. Must win out to survive IMO.
Oregon (20-8) @ Cal - Oregon has Two top 50 wins (both home games). One bad loss. Three games vs top 100 remain. Would be smart to win them all.
*Teams projected as in are in bold. Teams part of the last four in are also underlined. Teams part of the first four out are italicized. Any team with a record posted is on the bubble.
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Good analysis Logan. I sure agree that UCLA and Oregon better keep winning because other teams will be nipping at their heels. NC State helped themselves a lot last night.
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Thanks. I just don't see them having quality wins - especially quality road wins - much like Texas only with easier schedules. It's great to play tough opponents, but you must win a few of them to prove you can win a game in the tourney.
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Thanks. I just don't see them having quality wins - especially quality road wins - much like Texas only with easier schedules. It's great to play tough opponents, but you must win a(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png) few of them to prove you can win a game in the tourney.
True - having a great SoS with 14 losses doesn't look good - I think Texas might wind up with 14 with this finish.
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Nice work Logan. Appreciate it.
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Not that they are on the bubble, but I think Arkansas will give Kentucky a run for their money
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Looks like Lunardi is listening...Texas now among the last four in along with Illinois, Oregon, and UCLA. Dayton down to a 10.
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Indiana with a bad loss to Northwestern.
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2/25/15 - results and reaction
George Mason @ Dayton (20-6) - Dayton 76 GMU 63 Dayton avoids the bad loss
Davidson (19-6) @ Rhode Island (19-6) - Davidson 60 URI 59 It would seem URI is done barring winning out and a run to the finals.
Indiana (19-9) @ Northwestern - NW 72 Indiana 65 Even with this loss Indiana might still be a lock
UCF @ Cincinnati (18-9) - Cinci 83 UCF 60 Cinci survived land mine #1. Next up @Tulane
Tulane @ Tulsa (19-7) - Tulsa 76 Tulane 55 Tulsa still needs to win 2 of 3 to have a chance, possibly all three
Florida St @ Miami (17-10) - Miami 81 FSU 77 Xavier Rathan-Mayes, a freshman for FSU scored 30 pts over the final 4:38 to make this a game. He put up 26 consecutive FSU points without missing a shot. Almost shot Miami out of the tournament....
San Jose State @ Colorado State ( 23-5) - Colorado St 72 San Jose St 56
Illinois (17-10) @ Iowa (17-10) - Iowa 68 Illinois 60 Not looking good for Illinois. They will need to win out and help to get in it seems.
Georgia (17-9) @ Ole Miss (19-8) - Georgia 76 Ole Miss 72 Georgie might still need more. Three mid 30s RPI wins, four bad losses (thanks to SC sliding outside the top 100). Only other opportunity pre tourney time for a good win? Kentucky.
Washington @ UCLA (16-12) - UCLA 88 Washington 66 UCLA stays alive but still needs to do more. Two land mines to finish the season, will likely need a top 50 win in conference tourney, currently 2-7 vs top 50.
Oregon (20-8) @ Cal - Oregon 80 Cal 69 Slightly better shape than UCLA due to better record and better games to finish the season. Still might need another top 50 win.
*Teams projected as in are in bold. Teams part of the last four in are also underlined. Teams part of the first four out are italicized. Any team with a record posted is on the bubble.
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2/26/15 - I might've missed a game today...
Houston @ Temple (19-9) - Potential bad loss.
Minnesota @ Michigan St. (19-8) - MSU has two top 50 home wins. One bad loss. Two big opportunities left after this game. The 7 seed they are holding is based off the name on their jersey and the name of their coach.
Nebraska @ Ohio St (19-8) - OSU not in as good of shape as I thought. Only two top 50 wins, though no bad losses. Would be smart not to add a bad loss to the profile.
Rutgers @ Purdue (18-9) - What a climb by Purdue. Avoid this bad loss and win one (possibly two) more and it looks like they'll be dancing.
Stanford (17-9) @ Oregon St. - Stanford has one top 50 win, @Texas (which isn't looking like such a great win anymore). Next best win is Wofford. Three bad losses. Need to finish at least 3-1 IMO.
*Teams projected as in are in bold. Teams part of the last four in are also underlined. Teams part of the first four out are italicized. Any team with a record posted is on the bubble.
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Logan: great job with the thread and daily updateds.
I just went through the teams that are below us (Last 8 in and first 8 out) on Lunardi's bracketology and checked out their remaining schedules. So I figured I'd post it, for those looking a little further ahead. I see a lot of potential losses on this list, but also some chances for some teams to get some good wins. Also several of the teams on this list play each other.
Dayton: @VCU / URI / @LaSalle
Temple: Houston / @ECU / UCONN
Cinci: @Tulane / @Tulsa / Memphis
Oregon: @Stanford / @Oregon St
Purdue: Rutgers / @Ohio St / @Mich St
Texas: @Kansas / Baylor / Kansas St
Davidson: GW / VCU / Duq
UCLA: Wash St / USC
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Stanford: Oregon St / Oregon / @ Arizona St
Illinois: NW / Nebraska / @Purdue
Tulsa: @Memphis / Cinci / @SMU
Boise St: @SD St / @San Jose St / Fresno St
PITT: @Wake / Miami / @FSU
Miami: UNC / @PITT / @Va Tech
BYU: @Portland / @Gonzaga
Rhode Island: @LaSalle / @Dayton / St Joes
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Logan: great job with the thread and daily updateds.
I just went through the teams that are below us (Last 8 in and first 8 out) on Lunardi's bracketology and checked out their remaining schedules. So I figured I'd post it, for those looking a little further ahead. I see a lot of potential losses on this list, but also some chances for some teams to get some good wins. Also several of the teams on this list play each other.
Dayton: @VCU / URI / @LaSalle
Temple: Houston / @ECU / UCONN
Cinci: @Tulane / @Tulsa / Memphis
Oregon: @Stanford / @Oregon St
Purdue: Rutgers / @Ohio St / @Mich St
Texas: @Kansas / Baylor / Kansas St
Davidson: GW / VCU / Duq
UCLA: Wash St / USC
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Stanford: Oregon St / Oregon / @ Arizona St
Illinois: NW / Nebraska / @Purdue
Tulsa: @Memphis / Cinci / @SMU
Boise St: @SD St / @San Jose St / Fresno St
PITT: @Wake / Miami / @FSU
Miami: UNC / @PITT / @Va Tech
BYU: @Portland / @Gonzaga
Rhode Island: @LaSalle / @Dayton / St Joes
Great job --- based on Lunardi's "bracket math" we are actually also ahead of Colorado State and LSU - the #1 ranked "bubble team" (he claims the top 36 are "solid" bets since their odds are 80% or better to make tourney.
"The bubble (21 teams for 11 spots)
• IN (11, in S-curve order): 37-St. John's, 38-Colorado State, 39-LSU, 40-Dayton, 41-Temple, 42-Cincinnati, 43-Oregon
Last four in: 44-Purdue, 45-Texas, 46-Davidson, 47-UCLA
First four out: 69-Stanford, 70-Illinois, 71-Tulsa, 72-Boise State
Next four out: 73-Pittsburgh, 74-Miami (Fla.), 75-BYU, 76-Rhode Island"
http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/12386448/latest-update-joe-lunardi-bracket-math-college-basketball
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Rhode Island getting in?
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Logan: great job with the thread and daily updateds.
I just went through the teams that are below us (Last 8 in and first 8 out) on Lunardi's bracketology and checked out their remaining schedules. So I figured I'd post it, for those looking a little further ahead. I see a lot of potential losses on this list, but also some chances for some teams to get some good wins. Also several of the teams on this list play each other.
Dayton: @VCU / URI / @LaSalle
Temple: Houston / @ECU / UCONN
Cinci: @Tulane / @Tulsa / Memphis
Oregon: @Stanford / @Oregon St
Purdue: Rutgers / @Ohio St / @Mich St
Texas: @Kansas / Baylor / Kansas St
Davidson: GW / VCU / Duq
UCLA: Wash St / USC
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Stanford: Oregon St / Oregon / @ Arizona St
Illinois: NW / Nebraska / @Purdue
Tulsa: @Memphis / Cinci / @SMU
Boise St: @SD St / @San Jose St / Fresno St
PITT: @Wake / Miami / @FSU
Miami: UNC / @PITT / @Va Tech
BYU: @Portland / @Gonzaga
Rhode Island: @LaSalle / @Dayton / St Joes
Great job --- based on Lunardi's "bracket math" we are actually also ahead of Colorado State and LSU - the #1 ranked "bubble team" (he claims the top 36 are "solid" bets since their odds are 80% or better to make tourney.
"The bubble (21 teams for 11 spots)
• IN (11, in S-curve order): 37-St. John's, 38-Colorado State, 39-LSU, 40-Dayton, 41-Temple, 42-Cincinnati, 43-Oregon
Last four in: 44-Purdue, 45-Texas, 46-Davidson, 47-UCLA
First four out: 69-Stanford, 70-Illinois, 71-Tulsa, 72-Boise State
Next four out: 73-Pittsburgh, 74-Miami (Fla.), 75-BYU, 76-Rhode Island"
http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/12386448/latest-update-joe-lunardi-bracket-math-college-basketball
Nice...we're in a good spot. Ultimately all that matters is we need to keep winning games. But we do have a margin for error if Lunardi is right (he usually is).
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Rhode Island getting in?
Not without winning the A10 tourney, or somehow playing Dayton, VCU and Davidson leading up to a finals loss (after also beating lasalle, dayton, and st. joe's to end the season). 0-4 vs top 50. 251 non-conf SOS.
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Logan: great job with the thread and daily updateds.
I just went through the teams that are below us (Last 8 in and first 8 out) on Lunardi's bracketology and checked out their remaining schedules. So I figured I'd post it, for those looking a little further ahead. I see a lot of potential losses on this list, but also some chances for some teams to get some good wins. Also several of the teams on this list play each other.
Great addition, love it, and thank you. I would rather be using a bracketology by someone who is actually good at them (Lunardi is 44th of 76 bracketologists who have been doing it for at least three years - bracketmatrix.com), but Lunardi seems to update his the most often and I'm too lazy to search through the higher rated ones for one that updates more than once a week .
If I get the motivation I'm going to make my own bracket this year; see how it stacks up to his and also the more accurate ones.
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I thought Lunardi has gotten every team correct every year except for last year where he just missed with SMU.
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Heard Lunardi say the other day he has missed 5 teams in 5 years
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Lunardi is a beast when it comes to picking the teams that actually make the tournament. And that's all I'm worried about for this team.
The reason he is ranked so low on Bracket Matrix is because they award points for seeding teams correctly. Lunardi apparently isn't as good as others when it comes to predicting seeds.
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I thought Lunardi has gotten every team correct every year except for last year where he just missed with SMU.
He gets nearly all of the teams (sometimes all), but his seeding is generally off. I'm not saying he's terrible at it. Just that there are lots of others that have been better, though over a small sample size.
Total teams correctly selected:
2006-2010 (65 teams) 63, 63, 65, 64, 64
2011-2014 (68 teams) 65, 67, 68, 67
It seems impressive. Consider that by the time selection sunday comes - removing AQ's and locks from the equation - you're left with about 10 spots and about 15 teams. By default you're guaranteed to get 5 of those correct. Assuming you get two or three of the remaining 5 correct, you end up at about 65, 66.
Overall, Lunardi is slightly above average at what he does. (out of a possible 408, he is 1.39 pts higher per year than the average bracket in bracketmatrix)
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2/26/15 - I might've missed a game today...
Houston @ Temple (19-9) - Temple 66 Houston 54 Bad loss avoided.
Minnesota @ Michigan St. (19-8) - Minnesota 96 Michigan St. 90 OT When MSU misses out on the tourney, or sneaks in as a 12, remember that you heard it here first ;)
Nebraska @ Ohio St (19-8) - Ohio St 81 Nebraska 57 Bad loss avoided. Should win two of their last three to feel good. Might need more after that.
Rutgers @ Purdue (18-9) - Purdue 92 Rutgers 85 Bad loss avoided. Purdue has a very bubbly resume. Might need to steal one of their next two road games at Ohio State and Michigan State.
Stanford (17-9) @ Oregon St. - Stanford 75 Oregon St 48 Questionable loss avoided, probably still need to beat Oregon and/or Arizona.
*Teams projected as in are in bold. Teams part of the last four in are also underlined. Teams part of the first four out are italicized. Any team with a record posted is on the bubble.
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2/28/15
Cincinnati (19-9) @ Tulane -
Tulsa (20-7) @ Memphis -
Dayton (21-6) @ VCU -
George Washington @ Davidson (20-6) -
NC State (17-11) @ Boston College -
North Carolina @ Miami (18-10) -
Oklahoma St (17-10) @ Texas Tech -
Texas (17-11) @ Kansas -
Georgetown (18-8) @ St. John's (19-9) -
Villanova @ Xavier (18-11) -
Iowa (18-10) @ Penn State -
Northwestern @ Illinois (17-11) -
Old Dominion (21-6) @ North Texas -
Missouri @ Georgia (18-9) -
Ole Miss (19-9) @ LSU (20-8) -
Auburn @ Texas A&M (19-8) -
*Teams projected as in are in bold. Teams part of the last four in are also underlined. Teams part of the first four out are italicized. Any team with a record posted is on the bubble.
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Big win for Dayton over VCU.
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BYU just beat Gonzaga in Spokane.
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BYU just beat Gonzaga in Spokane.
Gotta help Nova
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2/28/15 results
Cincinnati (19-9) @ Tulane - Cincinnati 63 Tulane 47
Tulsa (20-7) @ Memphis - Tulsa 74 Memphis 72
Dayton (21-6) @ VCU - Dayton 59 VCU 55 Dayton is in that "should be in" range with this win.
George Washington @ Davidson (20-6) - Davidson 77 GW 66
NC State (17-11) @ Boston College - BC 79 NC State 63 Really, NC State? You win @Louisville and UNC but lose in BC? Would've locked em up too...
North Carolina @ Miami (18-10) - UNC 73 Miami 64
Oklahoma St (17-10) @ Texas Tech - Texas Tech 63 Ok St 62 Ok St is trying to pull a Texas...
Texas (17-11) @ Kansas - Kansas 69 Texas 64 Pop....pop....pop....
Georgetown (18-8) @ St. John's (19-9) - SJU 81 G'town 70
Villanova @ Xavier (18-11) - Villanova 78 Xavier 66
Iowa (18-10) @ Penn State - Iowa 81 Penn St 77
Northwestern @ Illinois (17-11) - Illinois 86 NW 60
Old Dominion (21-6) @ North Texas - ODU 70 North Texas 57
Missouri @ Georgia (18-9) - Georgia 68 Missouri 44
Ole Miss (19-9) @ LSU (20-8) - LSU 73 Ole Miss 63
Auburn @ Texas A&M (19-8) - Texas A&M 80 Auburn 55
BYU (22-8) @ Gonzaga - BYU 73 Gonzaga 72
Boise State (22-7) @ San Diego St - Boise State 56 SD St 46
*Teams projected as in are in bold. Teams part of the last four in are also underlined. Teams part of the first four out are italicized. Any team with a record posted is on the bubble.
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3/1/15
Marquette @ Providence (19-9) - Providence is probably in, but they shouldn't risk a 4th bad loss. Win this and they become a lock.
Michigan State (19-9) @ Wisconsin - A loss doesn't hurt. But they need to win at least one of the last two to feel safe IMO (Purdue, @Indiana)
Pittsburgh (19-10) @ Wake Forest - Pitt can't afford another bad loss.
Oregon (21-8) @ Stanford (18-9) - Stanford needs it more, but Oregon also needs it. Stanford still has another opportunity @Arizona in the finale
Purdue (19-9) @ Ohio State (20-8) - Purdue with a much better top 50 record, but two bad losses to Ohio State's none.
Washington St @ UCLA (17-12) - UCLA has to win it's next two. This one, and home for USC.
*Teams projected as in are in bold. Teams part of the last four in are also underlined. Teams part of the first four out are italicized. Any team with a record posted is on the bubble.
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Great job as always Logan!
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UConn beats Memphis and Temple, they on the bubble?
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UConn beats Memphis and Temple, they on the bubble?
Doubt it, but I think they could win the AAC tourney.
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UConn beats Memphis and Temple, they on the bubble?
Doubt it, but I think they could win the AAC tourney.
I honestly expect them to win that tournament on their home court with very few fans from other AAC teams in attendance.
That's a 2 bid conference IMO; more than 3 is criminal. It's second best team would be 7th in the BE
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Wake beat Pitt. Bubble go pop
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3/1/15 - results and reaction
Marquette @ Providence (19-9) - Prov 77 Marq 66 That should do it for Providence.
Michigan State (19-9) @ Wisconsin - Wisc 68 MSU 61 Losing @Wisc will not harm your bubble standing.
Pittsburgh (19-10) @ Wake Forest - WF 69 Pitt 66 Bye for now Pitt. See you if you make a run in the ACC tourney.
Oregon (21-8) @ Stanford (18-9) - Oregon 73 Stanford 70 Stanford needs to win @Ari in the finale to have a chance
Purdue (19-9) @ Ohio State (20-8) - OSU 65 Purdue 61 Not a bad loss for Purdue. More of a missed opportunity to cement a spot. OSU locks up a bid with a win @Penn St (might be a lock anyway)
Washington St @ UCLA (17-12) - UCLA 72 WSU 67 Keeps the bubble from bursting on UCLA entirely, though I still don't think it looks good.
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3/2/15
Only one bubble game today:
Baylor @ Texas (17-12) - Texas needs this game. Without it they finish the regular season 2-12 against the top 50.
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Brawl (using the term loosely) in the Baylor Texas game. 4 players from Texas and 3 from Baylor ejected. Tied game with a minute to go in OT.
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Brawl (using the term loosely) in the Baylor Texas game. 4 players from Texas and 3 from Baylor ejected. Tied game with a minute to go in OT.
Punches thrown?
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Baylor had to be escorted off the floor.
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Started with an accidental forearm to the head of a Texas player in a hustle play. Texas player threw Baylor player off of him. Teams charged at each other, some shoving ensued. A few players left each bench. Didn't see any punches, so shouldn't be any suspensions from that. Not sure if there's a suspension rule for leaving the bench or if it's just the auto ejection.
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Texas wins by 2. Big win for profile, but they still need more. Lucky for them, conference tourney should provide opportunities.
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Texas wins by 2. Big win for profile, but they still need more. Lucky for them, conference tourney should provide opportunities.
That kid Isiah Taylor is a nice person, talking smack after the game at this point in the season
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Texas wins by 2. Big win for profile, but they still need more. Lucky for them, conference tourney should provide opportunities.
That kid Isiah Taylor is a nice person, talking smack after the game at this point in the season
I had stopped watching already, anything come of it?
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Texas wins by 2. Big win for profile, but they still need more. Lucky for them, conference tourney should provide opportunities.
That kid Isiah Taylor is a nice person, talking smack after the game at this point in the season
I had stopped watching already, anything come of it?
baylor had to be escorted into tunnel while he continued to jaw away
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3/3/15
Rhode Island (20-7) @ Dayton - Without a top 50 win and only two in the top 70, Rhode Island might be on the outside looking in. Winning @Dayton would be a step in the right direction, but they would still need more in the conference tourney.
Ole Miss (19-10) @ Alabama - Four top 50 wins and three bad losses will land you on the bubble. 7-7 vs the top 100, two more top 100 games. Will winning one be enough?
NC State (17-12) @ Clemson - Remember when all they had to do was beat BC? I would imagine they only need one more, but that would leave them potentially finishing the season at 18-14. Not sure how the committee would feel about a record like that.
Kentucky @ Georgia (19-9) - This game is not really important. Georgia looks good, but should avoid a loss in the finale @Auburn
Texas A&M (20-8) @ Florida - A&M only has two top 50 wins, having swept LSU (45), and are 6-8 vs the top 100. They have avoided bad losses. Do they need more? They might, but will have to wait for the conference tourney to get it.
*"Bubble" teams not included from today's games because my omnipotent self has declared them locks include: Georgetown, Iowa, Indiana. The wise one, Lundardi, has Indiana in his last four byes column. He is wrong. They have better/more top 50 wins and less bad losses than his 7 seed Michigan St. With two top 50 opponents left, Indiana is safely in the tournament.
*Teams projected as in are in bold. Teams part of the last four in are also underlined. Teams part of the first four out are italicized. Any team with a record posted is on the bubble.
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Blind resumes:
Team A:
RPI: 30 SOS: 22
Top 25: 0-5
Top 50: 3-6
Top 100: 6-8
Top 150: 13-10
Sub 150: 6-0
Road/Neutral W-L: 8-6. One top 50 road win, two more top 100 road wins.
Two bad losses (139, @124)
Team B:
RPI: 44 SOS: 33
Top 25: 3-4
Top 50: 5-6
Top 100: 8-9
Top 150: 11-10
Sub 150: 8-0
Road/Neutral W-L: 4-8 One neutral top 25 win, one road top 100 win.
One bad loss (@113)
Which one of these teams is three seed lines higher than the other according to Lunardi?
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Logan
I can understand you suggesting these teams are similar but it's obvious lunardi is using RPI pretty strictly to put team a above team b. Which isn't that crazy. Clearly the top 50 road win and 3 total top 100 road wins are worth a lot combined w better SOS than the one singular top 100 road win for team b.
You also leave out that team a is ahead of team b in conf standings.
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Lunardi's strength is predicting who's in the tournament, but his seeding is usually lackluster.
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Blind resumes:
Team A:
RPI: 30 SOS: 22
Top 25: 0-5
Top 50: 3-6
Top 100: 6-8
Top 150: 13-10
Sub 150: 6-0
Road/Neutral W-L: 8-6. One top 50 road win, two more top 100 road wins.
Two bad losses (139, @124)
Team B:
RPI: 44 SOS: 33
Top 25: 3-4
Top 50: 5-6
Top 100: 8-9
Top 150: 11-10
Sub 150: 8-0
Road/Neutral W-L: 4-8 One neutral top 25 win, one road top 100 win.
One bad loss (@113)
Which one of these teams is three seed lines higher than the other according to Lunardi?
I like team B better. RPI's are off this year to me. 3 top 25 wins compared to 0.
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Logan
I can understand you suggesting these teams are similar but it's obvious lunardi is using RPI pretty strictly to put team a above team b. Which isn't that crazy. Clearly the top 50 road win and 3 total top 100 road wins are worth a lot combined w better SOS than the one singular top 100 road win for team b.
You also leave out that team a is ahead of team b in conf standings.
I like team B better. RPI's are off this year to me. 3 top 25 wins compared to 0.
I've been on MSU for a while now (like I was with Texas until bracketologists caught on), in stating that they are being very over seeded across the board. Same feeling I had about SMU last year (would've looked like a genius if I had made a stink about it prior to selection sunday :P). Would have to imagine a neutral win over #23 is better than a road win over #48 in the committee's eyes. Don't forget, NCAA tournament games are played on neutral courts. The other two road wins were against 69 and 70. Certainly not easy games, but also not something to prompt a 7 seed. Indiana also has the road win against #60, so it's not like they have nothing else to compare. Like Mase said, I'll take three top 25 wins over 0 every day of the week when all other things are relatively equal. Plus, only one of the two teams lost at home to Texas Southern. I didn't necessarily leave out the conference records, just figured they weren't relevant, especially in a conference with unbalanced schedules.
In case some of you haven't figured it out, Team A is Michigan State and Team B is Indiana.
In MSU's favor: higher RPI, higher non-conf SOS, one game up in conference standings, better road/neutral record vs top 100 (3-5 vs 2-7)
In Indiana's favor: three wins that are better than any of MSU's, better top 25/50/100 record, better sub 100 record
Despite the tougher schedule, MSU still doesn't have the wins that Indiana has. I think that says a lot. The main point was myself and others feel Indiana has a stronger profile. Even if we are the minority, MSU being 3 seed lines higher is a joke IMO.
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I think the Big Ten and the Pac-12 bubble teams will present a lot of interesting cases for the committee. Pac-12 especially are loaded with wins in the 50-100 range (see Oregon and Stanford), but have little in the top 50 (only three conference teams currently in top 50). Big Ten will be tough to separate in terms of seeding overall, because the profiles are so similar. Should be fun to watch.
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3/3/15 - results
Rhode Island (20-7) @ Dayton - Dayton 75 URI 59 Good luck winning the conference tourney Rhode Island.
Ole Miss (19-10) @ Alabama - Ole Miss 82 Alabama 74 Beat Vanderbilt and I would imagine they are locked. Those three home losses though...
NC State (17-12) @ Clemson - NC State 66 Clemson 61 Three top 15 wins. 5-6 vs top 50, 8-10 vs top 100. Two bad losses. 9-8 in conference. Have a chance to get in even if they finish 18-14.
Kentucky @ Georgia (19-9) - Kentucky 72 Georgia 64 Slightly inflated computer numbers thanks to two games against Kentucky. Swept Ole miss and won @Texas A&M. 9-7 top 100. Two bad losses. 10-7 in conference.
Texas A&M (20-8) @ Florida - Florida 66 Texas A&M 62 They're 11-6 in the SEC but their only two top 50 wins are a sweep of #45 LSU. 6-8 vs top 100. No bad losses.
*Indiana is apparently going to test my theory that they could lose to Iowa and MSU and still make the tourney.
*Teams projected as in are in bold. Teams part of the last four in are also underlined. Teams part of the first four out are italicized. Any team with a record posted is on the bubble.Modify message
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3/4/15
Tennessee @ LSU (21-8) - Beat Tennessee and they should be in. 4 top 50 wins, three bad losses.
Miami (18-11) @ Pitt (19-11) - Play out game. Winner still has work to do, loser is done.
Purdue (19-10) @ Michigan State (19-10) - As long as MSU wins this one or the finale against Indiana they should be fine. Purdue is in the same boat IMO, win this or against Illinois.
TCU @ Oklahoma St. (17-11) - 6 good wins, one and a half bad losses. Will most likely get in, only issue is the overall record. Beat TCU and they are a lock.
Cincinnati (20-9) @ Tulsa (21-7) - I think Cinci is in decent shape despite a couple of very bad losses. Could really use this win to sure it up. Tulsa needs this, and possibly the finale against SMU. At least one of the two...
USC @ UCLA (18-12) - Two pretty bad losses (but not horrible), two good wins, a lot of meh in-between. UCLA needs to make noise in the conference tourney, this game can only hurt them.
Colorado State (24-5) @ Nevada - Even with a win that top 30 RPI will drop. Win this and the finale and they should be fine.
Nebraska @ Illinois (18-11) - 5-10 vs top 100. One bad loss (to Nebraska). Win this and beat Purdue and they are a lock. Lose one and they will remain on the bubble heading into conference tourney.
Boise State (22-7) @ San Jose State - 3-3 vs top 50, 6-4 vs top 100, a few questionable losses. That's bubble material, just not sure which side they land on. Lose here or in the finale against Fresno St. and it will make the decision easier.
San Diego State (22-7) @ UNLV - They would probably still get in with three losses to end the season, but they would be on the bubble, and stranger things have happened.
Oregon (22-8) @ Oregon State - One top 50 win (Utah), but 8 in the 50-100 range. Beat Oregon St. and they should be in.
*Teams I project as in are in bold. Teams who are in but can fall out are also underlined. Teams who are out but can creep in are italicized.
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Logan great job with this. Much appreciated!
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Logan great job with this. Much appreciated!
Thanks! My pleasure
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3/4/15
Tennessee @ LSU (21-8) - Beat Tennessee and they should be in. 4 top 50 wins, three bad losses.
Miami (18-11) @ Pitt (19-11) - Play out game. Winner still has work to do, loser is done.
Purdue (19-10) @ Michigan State (19-10) - As long as MSU wins this one or the finale against Indiana they should be fine. Purdue is in the same boat IMO, win this or against Illinois.
TCU @ Oklahoma St. (17-11) - 6 good wins, one and a half bad losses. Will most likely get in, only issue is the overall record. Beat TCU and they are a lock.
Cincinnati (20-9) @ Tulsa (21-7) - I think Cinci is in decent shape despite a couple of very bad losses. Could really use this win to sure it up. Tulsa needs this, and possibly the finale against SMU. At least one of the two...
USC @ UCLA (18-12) - Two pretty bad losses (but not horrible), two good wins, a lot of meh in-between. UCLA needs to make noise in the conference tourney, this game can only hurt them.
Colorado State (24-5) @ Nevada - Even with a win that top 30 RPI will drop. Win this and the finale and they should be fine.
Nebraska @ Illinois (18-11) - 5-10 vs top 100. One bad loss (to Nebraska). Win this and beat Purdue and they are a lock. Lose one and they will remain on the bubble heading into conference tourney.
Boise State (22-7) @ San Jose State - 3-3 vs top 50, 6-4 vs top 100, a few questionable losses. That's bubble material, just not sure which side they land on. Lose here or in the finale against Fresno St. and it will make the decision easier.
San Diego State (22-7) @ UNLV - They would probably still get in with three losses to end the season, but they would be on the bubble, and stranger things have happened.
Oregon (22-8) @ Oregon State - One top 50 win (Utah), but 8 in the 50-100 range. Beat Oregon St. and they should be in.
*Teams I project as in are in bold. Teams who are in but can fall out are also underlined. Teams who are out but can creep in are italicized.
I've been totally hooked with the ongoing schedule/comments - keep it coming.
The over-arching question is - will the committee gravitate to the mid-majors on this bubble, or give the nod to crazy teams like Texas and others who I feel don't deserve to be in with 8-10 conference records. They're all not going anywhere for too long, so why bother with the struggling power 5 schools.
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The problem is there aren't many mid-majors competing for spots this year, at least compared to recent years (from my memory, which is shite). Excluding the power 5 + AAC and A10, you have teams like BYU, Boise State, Colorado State, San Diego State (kinda, like I said, they're probably in), Old Dominion (barely). I may have left one or two out but that's pretty much it. As for locks, there's Northern Iowa, Wichita St., Gonzaga....that's about it. That's 4 conferences (if ODU is actually an at-large team, 3 if not). What this means is that there won't be that many "bid thieves" this year, leaving more spots for power conference teams. It will come down to what the majority of the committee prefers; be it big wins, no bad losses, good computer numbers, etc. Should be interesting to see how it plays out.
If Texas makes the tournament, it will be based off of their perceived potential. I, like you, don't see their resume as being worthy.
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Anyone know who is on the selection committee this year? Anyone from Big East or the region? too lazy to look it up.
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Why is Indiana firmly in?
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Creighton AD is on committee and so is Northeastern's.....
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How come we were an 8 yesterday and a 9 today. We also had our arrow going down. This was from Lunardi's bracket on espn
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How come we were an 8 yesterday and a 9 today. We also had our arrow going down. This was from Lunardi's bracket on espn
Dayton and Ole Miss won last night, which in Lunardi's mind put them ahead of us.
The arrows just mean the direction the team went from his previous bracket, not necessarily the way the team is trending.
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How come we were an 8 yesterday and a 9 today. We also had our arrow going down. This was from Lunardi's bracket on espn
Dayton and Ole Miss won last night, which in Lunardi's mind put them ahead of us.
thanks, makes sense
The arrows just mean the direction the team went from his previous bracket, not necessarily the way the team is trending.
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Why is Indiana firmly in?
5-7 vs top 50, only "bad" loss is @Northwestern (110). I felt they were essentially locked once they beat Rutgers. I stated as such, and the are trying to make me look stupid by losing out. With a loss to MSU they would still have 5 top 50 wins - more than most other bubble teams, with only one somewhat bad loss -fewer than most other bubble teams. Worst possible record is 19-13. This might depend on who their first round opponent is in the conference tourney. I just don't see them missing out.
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3/4/15 - results, reaction, and the meaning of life
Tennessee @ LSU (21-8) - Tennessee 78 LSU 63 They're still 11-6 against the top 100, 4-4 top 50. I may have undervalued their profile. Computer numbers aren't great.
Miami (18-11) @ Pitt (19-11) - Miami 67 Pitt 63 Having more bad losses than top 50 wins isn't a good thing. Pitt could theoretically make it if they end up playing and beating duke, virginia, and UNC in the ACC tourney. In other words, they're out. Miami still needs to make a run in the ACC tournament. 2-6 top 50, 7-7 top 100, 4 bad losses. I know I said this was a play out game, but I don't see either team making it.
Purdue (19-10) @ Michigan State (19-10) - Michigan State 72 Purdue 66 This should lock MSU in, but I'll still complain about the seed they're going to get but haven't earned :) I think Purdue is still in pretty good shape, but this will leave them bubbly barring a late Big Ten tourney run.
TCU @ Oklahoma St. (17-11) - OK State 82 TCU 70 Ok State is just playing for seeding when they take on West Virginia in the finale.
Cincinnati (20-9) @ Tulsa (21-7) - Cinci 56 Tulsa 47 Cinci is 6-4 vs top 50 with one somewhat bad loss and two horrible losses. Their profile is bubbly, but still stronger than most of the other bubble teams. I think they're in. Tulsa needs to beat SMU and then take it a game at a time in the AAC tourney.
USC @ UCLA (18-12) - UCLA 85 USC 74 Bad loss avoided. Still need to do something in conference tourney.
Colorado State (24-5) @ Nevada - Colorado St 78 Nevada 62 "Even with a win that top 30 RPI will drop." Foiled again, RPI held steady. Next speed bump is @Utah State (135). Bubbly profile, but the RPI is strong, will have 25+ wins...I think they're in.
Nebraska @ Illinois (18-11) - Illinois 69 Nebraska 57 Part one complete. Now they need to beat Purdue. I may have lied about winning this and the Purdue game locking them in, they'll still just be 6-10 vs the top 100. Might have to see how things shake out.
Boise State (22-7) @ San Jose State - Boise State 68 San Jose State 51 Avoided the bad loss. Would be wise to beat Fresno St in the finale.
San Diego State (22-7) @ UNLV - San Diego State 60 UNLV 58 I'm still afraid to lock them in, even though they might survive a loss to Nevada in the finale. It's just that, Nevada is REALLY bad. But they should be fine.
Oregon (22-8) @ Oregon State - Oregon 65 Oregon State 62 Oregon is playing for seeding in the PAC-12 tourney.
*Teams I project as in are in bold. Teams who are in but can fall out are also underlined. Teams who are out but can creep in are italicized.
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3/5/15 - games and results (sorry, forgot to post them earlier)
Temple (21-9) @ East Carolina - Temple 70 East Carolina 56 Avoided the second land mine. Will remain on the bubble for now.
Marshall @ Old Dominion (22-6) - ODU 67 Marshal 50 Such a weird profile....5-2 vs the top 100 including a win over VCU. But four bad losses. This bubble may come down to personal taste...
VCU @ Davidson (21-6) - Davidson 82 VCU 55 I still wouldn't quite lock them in as they have a potential really bad loss in the finale, but I don't see them missing out at this point.
Memphis @ UConn (17-11) - Memphis 54 UConn 53 Still not the worst profile in the world with only one bad loss and 4-7 vs top 50...but 5-11 vs top 100 and the top 150 (weird, no games vs 101-150)
Stanford (18-10) @ Arizona State - Arizona State 67 Stanford 62
*Teams I project as in are in bold. Teams who are in but can fall out are also underlined. Teams who are out but can creep in are italicized.
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Davidson spanking VCU.
UConn tied with Memphis, both at half
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LoganK > Lunardi.
It feels good to not have to worry about the bubble with a game left. It feels almost as good to actually expect to do some damage in the B.E.T..
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UConn loses, they need to win their tourny.
I would think Davidson is a lock now
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UConn loses, they need to win their tourny.
I would think Davidson is a lock now
Awesome to see them lose. I agree, they will likely have to win their conference tournament, but that is not a tall task with that garbage league.
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is VCU such a lock anymore? lets say they loose there first game of there tourney..
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VCU is ranked in top 20 of rpi. They're a lock.
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VCU is ranked in top 20 of rpi. They're a lock.
there situation is unique , do you think the fact they are 4-6 over there past 10 and lost arguably there mvp should be taken into account? there obviously a different team then there record or rpi indicates
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VCU is ranked in top 20 of rpi. They're a lock.
there situation is unique , do you think the fact they are 4-6 over there past 10 and lost arguably there mvp should be taken into account? there obviously a different team then there record or rpi indicates
I don't think the loss of a player should be taken into account, but ncaa does. They did it to us. If they are a different team without a certain player, then I get it. It makes sense. It's unfair, but this the NCAA. You know, the gestapo.
Best thing to do if possible is announce an injury after the seeding is over.
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LoganK > Lunardi.
It feels good to not have to worry about the bubble with a game left. It feels almost as good to actually expect to do some damage in the B.E.T..
I think we're in, but I'm still not able to totally relax. We need to atone for last season's terrible effort in the BE tournanent.
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LoganK > Lunardi.
It feels good to not have to worry about the bubble with a game left. It feels almost as good to actually expect to do some damage in the B.E.T..
I think we're in, but I'm still not able to totally relax. We need to atone for last season's terrible effort in the BE tournanent.
We lost to the eventual big east champ. It wasn't as terrible as it felt at the time but we definitely didn't step up.
We need at least one win in the BET just to continue feeling really good about ourselves (unless we beat nova at nova then it doesn't matter). Don't want to go into ncaas on 2 game losing streak.
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Re: VCU's lock status. VCU could lose out and be a lock. They will be judged off of how they performed at full strength. Injuries allegedly effect seeding, but not inclusion. They're 11-6 vs the top 100 including top 50 wins over Northern Iowa and Davidson, @Cinci, and neutral over Oregon. Two not so great losses. Land mine in the finale against George Mason. They'll be fine.
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From espn bubble watch:
"We've got to admit: We did not see St. John's coming. If you'd told us a month ago that we'd be locking up the Red Storm at any point before Selection Sunday, we would have politely informed you that the Bubble Watch doesn't cover the NIT. From Dec. 31 to Feb. 3, the Red Storm went 3-7, lost to DePaul, Creighton and (pre-collapse) Seton Hall, let a home game against Duke slip through their fingers, and generally looked like the kind of talented but disjointed outfit that costs coaches with just one year left on their contracts -- in this case, Steve Lavin -- their jobs. Since then, the Johnnies are 7-1, including a convincing win at Marquette Wednesday that eliminated any and all bad-loss potential from the regular-season schedule. On Saturday, the Red Storm go to Villanova, where a win would be insane and a loss doesn't matter. They've swept Providence and Xavier, beat Georgetown handily on Feb. 28, and are playing their best basketball at the best possible time. Believe it or not, the Johnnies are a lock."
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From espn bubble watch:
"We've got to admit: We did not see St. John's coming. If you'd told us a month ago that we'd be locking up the Red Storm at any point before Selection Sunday, we would have politely informed you that the Bubble Watch doesn't cover the NIT. From Dec. 31 to Feb. 3, the Red Storm went 3-7, lost to DePaul, Creighton and (pre-collapse) Seton Hall, let a home game against Duke slip through their fingers, and generally looked like the kind of talented but disjointed outfit that costs coaches with just one year left on their contracts -- in this case, Steve Lavin -- their jobs. Since then, the Johnnies are 7-1, including a convincing win at Marquette Wednesday that eliminated any and all bad-loss potential from the regular-season schedule. On Saturday, the Red Storm go to Villanova, where a win would be insane and a loss doesn't matter. They've swept Providence and Xavier, beat Georgetown handily on Feb. 28, and are playing their best basketball at the best possible time. Believe it or not, the Johnnies are a lock."
Thanks for sharing that. It's an enjoyable read, especially since most of us thought the season was over after the Creighton loss. Lou once told me that over the course of every season, for the most part, you'll lose some games that you shouldn't, but you'll also win some that didn't deserve to win, because by and large most BE have a lot in common. He was talking about the old BE, but all things considered, the BE is pretty deep this year. There is a lot of parity.
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Never wanted the old big east to end. But I am very happy it did. We now have a fair shot even a better shot then most other schools in conference.
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Why are we so far Butler, Providence, and georgetown on most brackets? They are all 6 seeds we are an 8?
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I assume it is because of their respective RPI. Providence is 20, G'town is 22, and Butler is 26 according to ESPN. We are 33. That would seem to account for the seed difference.
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Why are we so far Butler, Providence, and georgetown on most brackets? They are all 6 seeds we are an 8?
Tony, I think when your on the way up there is a bit of a delay the way your perceived. The teams you mentioned are all tied for second, while we are a fifth place team. If we don't make the semi's we are not getting much of a seed. It could be 2 or 3 lines lower then the teams now in second. I'm guessing, but winning the 4-5 game might be worth 2 lines in the tourny. I'm wired about making it to Friday night. It's efen MSG, and SJU should be part of that double header. I've been a broken record on that point. Sorry. It also gives a a better chance of knocking off Nova then Sat. does.
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Why are we so far Butler, Providence, and georgetown on most brackets? They are all 6 seeds we are an 8?
IMO...Lunardi has us too low in his latest update. I think we are a 7 seed right now if the brackets were announced today. VCU (a 7 seed) getting destroyed last night helps.
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Why are we so far Butler, Providence, and georgetown on most brackets? They are all 6 seeds we are an 8?
IMO...Lunardi has us too low in his latest update. I think we are a 7 seed right now if the brackets were announced today. VCU (a 7 seed) getting destroyed last night helps.
bracket matrix has us as a 7, and butler/gtwon/pc all as sixes. that seems about right.
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Why are we so far Butler, Providence, and georgetown on most brackets? They are all 6 seeds we are an 8?
Simply put, their resumes are better (though not by much).
Butler: 5-7 top 50, 7-9 top 100, no bad losses. (and their top win is better than ours)
Georgetown: 4-9 top 50, 7-9 top 100, no bad losses. (and their top win is better than ours)
Providence: 5-6 top 50, 11-6 top 100, two bad losses, one horrible loss.
St. John's: 5-6 top 50, 9-7 top 100, two bad losses.
I have Butler and G'town as 5/6 seeds, and Prov as a 6/7, SJU as an 8. Providence is the only one I thought might have an argument to be moved behind us with their three bad losses, but they're 11-6 vs the top 100 which is pretty darned impressive.
There is not much of a difference between profiles in the 5-9 range outside of personal taste for the most part, that's what makes it difficult to seed them correctly. For what it's worth, when I run through a bracketology, I don't use the eye test at all. The only team I know well enough to judge how well they play is SJU, so I assume that every team's season is strictly a function of their profile, regardless of how they actually play.
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Completely hypothetical of course, but if we ran the table until Selection Sunday, what's our ceiling for seed?
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Completely hypothetical of course, but if we ran the table until Selection Sunday, what's our ceiling for seed?
I've been thinking about this for a while. Obviously it depends who we play, but I'd say we could end up as a protected 4 seed.
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If it meant two more wins against Nova, and two wins against G'town/Prov/Butler/Xavier
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Completely hypothetical of course, but if we ran the table until Selection Sunday, what's our ceiling for seed?
Wins over Nova, Butler, Nova, and Providence, for example. That's 2 additional top 10 wins, and 2 more top 25ish wins, ending us at 25-9 for the season. I'd say that gets us a 4 seed, maybe a small chance at a 3.
But I'll defer to our resident expert, LoganK, of course. Just taking a shot at it.
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Completely hypothetical of course, but if we ran the table until Selection Sunday, what's our ceiling for seed?
Wins over Nova, Butler, Nova, and Providence, for example. That's 2 additional top 10 wins, and 2 more top 25ish wins, ending us at 25-9 for the season. I'd say that gets us a 4 seed, maybe a small chance at a 3.
But I'll defer to our resident expert, LoganK, of course. Just taking a shot at it.
FIRST! :P I'm certainly no expert (although I do spend way too much time looking at this stuff), but what you said is dead on IMO. Also depends what other teams do...
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I want to avoid Kentucky, Arizona , and Wisconsin as long as possible. Don't really care about seed. Don't want to play them.
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3/6/15 - No bubble games on tonight. Thank god. I get a break :P
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From espn bubble watch:
"We've got to admit: We did not see St. John's coming. If you'd told us a month ago that we'd be locking up the Red Storm at any point before Selection Sunday, we would have politely informed you that the Bubble Watch doesn't cover the NIT. From Dec. 31 to Feb. 3, the Red Storm went 3-7, lost to DePaul, Creighton and (pre-collapse) Seton Hall, let a home game against Duke slip through their fingers, and generally looked like the kind of talented but disjointed outfit that costs coaches with just one year left on their contracts -- in this case, Steve Lavin -- their jobs. Since then, the Johnnies are 7-1, including a convincing win at Marquette Wednesday that eliminated any and all bad-loss potential from the regular-season schedule. On Saturday, the Red Storm go to Villanova, where a win would be insane and a loss doesn't matter. They've swept Providence and Xavier, beat Georgetown handily on Feb. 28, and are playing their best basketball at the best possible time. Believe it or not, the Johnnies are a lock."
This is one of the most spot-on pieces I've read on SJU in quite some time.
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If we win out rpi forecast expects an rpi of 15 so we would be 4 seed most likely
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Completely hypothetical of course, but if we ran the table until Selection Sunday, what's our ceiling for seed?
Ceiling is a 4 if we beat Nova twice on our way to a BE championship.
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3/7/15
Stanford (18-11) @ Arizona - This might be a must win barring a run to the conference tourney final.
Miami (19-11) @ Virginia Tech - This profile can't handle another bad loss. Must win.
Michigan State @ Indiana (19-11) - I'm only putting them on here because they're being annoying, and doing everything possible to make me look bad. I think they're in regardless, fairly easily. Some pundits seem to disagree.
UConn @ Temple (21-9) - The more I look at Temple's profile the less I like it. I'm not sure what that means, but they should really win this game...
Alabama @ Texas A&M (20-9) - They've beaten LSU twice. They don't have any bad losses. That's all the good things I can say about their profile. I'm hoping the committee doesn't just include them based on their (potential) 12-6 conference record.
Kansas St @ Texas (18-12) - While they could handle a loss to K State (assuming at least one win in Big 12 tourney), it would (obviously) be better to win. Not the best time to be playing K state...
Georgia (19-10) @ Auburn - After looking at their profile, I can't believe I have them as a 9 seed. Either I'm forgetting how soft the bubble is, or I have them overvalued. Don't lose to Auburn...again.
Fresno State @ Boise State (21-7) - Boise State is looking pretty good, but a home loss to Fresno St could change that.
Vanderbilt @ Ole Miss (20-10) - They can probably afford a loss here, but why risk it.
Davidson (22-6) @ Duquesne - Similar to Boise State, don't lose to a crappy team in the last game of the regular season.
Syracuse @ NC State (18-12) - Win this and it's a lock. Lose this, and they might need to win 2 in the ACC tourney.
Xavier (18-12) @ Creighton - Xavier has a very nice profile....except for those 4 bad losses. Avoid bad loss #5 and they lock up a bid.
Illinois (19-11) @ Purdue (19-11) - If Illinois wins, I think they will both be in my projected field. A Purdue win will make it difficult for Illinois to climb back in.
Western Kentucky @ Old Dominion (23-6) - Already a longshot, ODU needs to win. Then win some more.
*Bold means in. Bold with an underline means in, but can fall out. Italics means out.
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It's nice to be off the bubble for the right reason!
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3/7/15
Stanford (18-11) @ Arizona - Arizona 91 Stanford 69 Essentially, pop.
Miami (19-11) @ Virginia Tech - Miami 82 VT 61 Bad loss avoided
Michigan State @ Indiana (19-11) - Michigan State 74 Indiana 72 I hate you Indiana. If you lose your first B1G tournament game, I will project you as out purely out of spite (although I still think they're in)
UConn @ Temple (21-9) - Temple 75 UConn 63 Good work. Now go get a top 50 win in the conference tourney.
Alabama @ Texas A&M (20-9) - Alabama 61 Texas A&M 60 I don't think they make it without a run to the SEC finals.
Kansas St @ Texas (18-12) - Texas 62 Kansas St 49 Texas will be in good shape as long as they beat Texas Tech in the first round.
Georgia (19-10) @ Auburn - Georgia 64 Auburn 61 They are in. But I still don't like their resume.
Fresno State @ Boise State (21-7) - Boise State 71 Fresno State 52
Vanderbilt @ Ole Miss (20-10) - Vanderbilt 86 Ole Miss 77 I think they'll be fine, but, not the way to make a statement.
Davidson (22-6) @ Duquesne - Davidson 107 Duquesne 78 Davidson earns the #1 seed in the A-10 tourney.
Syracuse @ NC State (18-12) - NC State 71 Syr 57 Lock.
Xavier (18-12) @ Creighton - Xaver 74 Creighton 73 Lock...but only because they're playing Butler, and a loss won't hurt.
Illinois (19-11) @ Purdue (19-11) - Purdue 63 Illinois 58 Purdue = Lock. Illinois = Pop without a run to the finals.
Western Kentucky @ Old Dominion (23-6) - ODU 75 WKU 52 If ODU loses in their tournament final, bubble teams everywhere will very anxious...
*Bold means in. Bold with an underline means in, but can fall out. Italics means out.
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Illinois State looking to steal a bid in the MVC
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Yesterday, SMU defeated Tulsa and Northern Iowa fought off Illinois St. Tulsa will need a run in the American Tournament, Northern Iowa saved a bubble team from elimination.
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3/9/15
Championship games:
CAA - Northeastern (22-11) @ William & Mary (20-11)
SoCon - Furman (11-21) @ Wofford (27-6)
MAAC - Manhattan (18-13) @ Iona (26-7)
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How many bids normally get stolen? Any stolen so far this year? Are we 100% in?
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We are a lock.
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3/9/15
Championship games:
CAA - Northeastern (22-11) @ William & Mary (20-11)
SoCon - Furman (11-21) @ Wofford (27-6)
MAAC - Manhattan (18-13) @ Iona (26-7)
Does Iona have any shot at a bid if they lose?
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3/9/15
Championship games:
CAA - Northeastern (22-11) @ William & Mary (20-11)
SoCon - Furman (11-21) @ Wofford (27-6)
MAAC - Manhattan (18-13) @ Iona (26-7)
Its a shame at 27 and 26 wins, teams have to win the conference tourney to get in
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3/9/15
Championship games:
CAA - Northeastern (22-11) @ William & Mary (20-11)
SoCon - Furman (11-21) @ Wofford (27-6)
MAAC - Manhattan (18-13) @ Iona (26-7)
Does Iona have any shot at a bid if they lose?
Its a shame at 27 and 26 wins, teams have to win the conference tourney to get in
No shot. Wofford would be much closer though (NC State, Iona, 1-2 top 50, 3-4 top 100, not as many bad losses). Iona is nowhere near the at-large field with 4 sub 150 losses and no top 100 wins.
If we played 25 sub 150 opponents like Iona did we'd have 30+ wins.
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How many bids normally get stolen? Any stolen so far this year? Are we 100% in?
I think there was an ESPN article on this recently, and if I remember correctly it's roughly 1-3 bids stolen each year.
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3/9/15
Championship games:
CAA - Northeastern (22-11) @ William & Mary (20-11)
SoCon - Furman (11-21) @ Wofford (27-6)
MAAC - Manhattan (18-13) @ Iona (26-7)
Does Iona have any shot at a bid if they lose?
Its a shame at 27 and 26 wins, teams have to win the conference tourney to get in
No shot. Wofford would be much closer though (NC State, Iona, 1-2 top 50, 3-4 top 100, not as many bad losses). Iona is nowhere near the at-large field with 4 sub 150 losses and no top 100 wins.
If we played 25 sub 150 opponents like Iona did we'd have 30+ wins.
Regular season means nothing. Shame.
MAAC sucked this year, more than usual.
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Baldi I'd love to see Iona do well, but their best win was @ Wake Forest. They had two chances for a top 50 win and lost by a combined 30 points. 26 wins is something...except that, like I said, 21 of them were against sub 150 teams (Error in my previous post. They had 21 sub 150 wins, not 25). You can make the argument all you want that no big time schools will play them, but there are plenty of mid-majors for them to schedule that they chose not to. Cluess made the mistake of a bad non-con schedule, and even worse, they didn't take advantage of any of their limited opportunities. They also lost to 4 shite teams. I will reiterate, Iona is not even close to an at-large.
Wofford at least beat a couple of good teams, and scheduled tough (18 non-con SOS). They did lose to Citadel, one of the worst teams in D1. They will be in my final bracketology, somewhere around the next four out (unless they beat Furman to win their tourney). Had they beaten Citadel, they might have ended up as an at-large, depending on who you asked.
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So like I said regular season doesn't matter
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So like I said regular season doesn't matter
For bad conferences it doesn't...part of the magic of march madness though...anyone can make it
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Take care of business and they're in...if they don't they don't deserve to be in.
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So like I said regular season doesn't matter
It does if your coach schedules well. Obviously it's easier for major conference teams, but it's certainly possible for low-mid majors. Only one to blame for Iona's lack of a profile is Cluess and his players. He should take a page out of Long Beach St.'s book and play a bunch of high majors in the non-con. Win some of them, and run through your league, and you'll have no problems getting in. The players should've won the opportunities they had (or at least a couple of them) and should not have lost to so many bad teams. Bottom line is, Iona just isn't good enough.
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So like I said regular season doesn't matter
For bad conferences it doesn't...part of the magic of march madness though...anyone can make it
I think regular season winners should get a bid. Not Just NIT. Instead a team who finishes 6th in their league gets a bid?
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So like I said regular season doesn't matter
For bad conferences it doesn't...part of the magic of march madness though...anyone can make it
I think regular season winners should get a bid. Not Just NIT. Instead a team who finishes 6th in their league gets a bid?
I think the idea had been tossed around. One of the reasons the conference tournaments are so important is that they are the closest comparison to the NCAA tournament. If a team can't beat the likes of Sienna, Manhattan, et al in a tournament setting, why should the committee think they can beat Duke, Kentucky, Iowa, Oklahoma, Northern Iowa, etc?
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This is why they will eventually ruin the Tourney by expanding it to 100+ teams.. A matter of time, IMO..
Someone is always going to feel left off no matter what. Don't have a conference tourney if regular season champ gets a bid. Can't have 2 automatic bids for shit conferences..
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God I hope not....
I think Boeheim was a proponent of adding teams. I hope his say won't carry as much weight any more...
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But like it was said earlier, this is a good chance for smaller schools to beat the big schools who normally don't play. What good is it putting teams like Xavier, Indiana, NC state etc in when they don't even finish top 5 in their conference.?
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if the win, like they should you'll have nothing to complain about if they don't win, they shouldn't get in.
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It's just IONA....not I own a bid.
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if the win, like they should you'll have nothing to complain about if they don't win, they shouldn't get in.
Agreed. But I just don't see how teams who can't even finish top 5 in their conference deserve bids.
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One could also argue that conference winner of grossly inferior conferences shouldn't receive bids either.
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if the win, like they should you'll have nothing to complain about if they don't win, they shouldn't get in.
Agreed. But I just don't see how teams who can't even finish top 5 in their conference deserve bids.
Because those teams are playing Top 50 teams just about every game.
Like I said earlier if Iona does not win their tournament like they should they need to take a look at the big picture and maybe replace TC with a head coach that can win the MAAC Tournament. He has the most talent in the league but it don't mean crap if they can't win the MAAC Tournament.
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Baldi I think the caliber of play is improved when legit teams that finish outside the top 5 of the conference still get to dance because their overall resume supports inclusion. The tournament is better this year with Indiana, NC St. or Xavier than it is with Manhattan. I know there have been years where a lesser conference gets screwed, and there will always be exceptions, but I don't think leaving out a Murray St. in lieu of one of these larger conference teams is a bad thing at all.
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if the win, like they should you'll have nothing to complain about if they don't win, they shouldn't get in.
Agreed. But I just don't see how teams who can't even finish top 5 in their conference deserve bids.
Because they are better basketball teams. Do you want the best 68 or the best 48 and 20 scrubs?
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And the regular season is not totally meaningless as a smaller conference if your schedule the right way. What the poster said about Long Beach State is spot on - go on the road and play a murderous schedule. You pull of a W or two and all of a sudden winning the league doesn't become a necessity if you dominate but get upset in the conference tourney.
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if the win, like they should you'll have nothing to complain about if they don't win, they shouldn't get in.
Agreed. But I just don't see how teams who can't even finish top 5 in their conference deserve bids.
Xavier would steamrolled through the MAAC.
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Also, pretend my previous comment was written in proper English...
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Bottom line is win or go home and that will be true for every one next week.
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if the win, like they should you'll have nothing to complain about if they don't win, they shouldn't get in.
Agreed. But I just don't see how teams who can't even finish top 5 in their conference deserve bids.
Because those teams are playing Top 50 teams just about every game.
Like I said earlier if Iona does not win their tournament like they should they need to take a look at the big picture and maybe replace TC with a head coach that can win the MAAC Tournament. He has the most talent in the league but it don't mean crap if they can't win the MAAC Tournament.
Fire Cluess? That's absurd. He has won the MAAC tournament. But on any given day, any team can be beat.
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if the win, like they should you'll have nothing to complain about if they don't win, they shouldn't get in.
Agreed. But I just don't see how teams who can't even finish top 5 in their conference deserve bids.
Because those teams are playing Top 50 teams just about every game.
Like I said earlier if Iona does not win their tournament like they should they need to take a look at the big picture and maybe replace TC with a head coach that can win the MAAC Tournament. He has the most talent in the league but it don't mean crap if they can't win the MAAC Tournament.
Fire Cluess? That's absurd. He has won the MAAC tournament. But on any given day, any team can be beat.
If they lose this year, that would be 2 years in a row where he had more talent and didn't get it done. Big picture is as you stated win the MAAC Tournament.
I think they will win and I hope so because I think they can win a game or two in the NCAA depending on the match up.
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They should have saved a few of those made three point shots for the Championship.
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So like I said regular season doesn't matter
It does if your coach schedules well. Obviously it's easier for major conference teams, but it's certainly possible for low-mid majors. Only one to blame for Iona's lack of a profile is Cluess and his players. He should take a page out of Long Beach St.'s book and play a bunch of high majors in the non-con. Win some of them, and run through your league, and you'll have no problems getting in. The players should've won the opportunities they had (or at least a couple of them) and should not have lost to so many bad teams. Bottom line is, Iona just isn't good enough.
Long Beach St is 16-16
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if the win, like they should you'll have nothing to complain about if they don't win, they shouldn't get in.
Agreed. But I just don't see how teams who can't even finish top 5 in their conference deserve bids.
Xavier would steamrolled through the MAAC.
Xavier lost to teams like Auburn, Long Beach St, DePaul and has 19 wins. They still have work to do
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Fire Cluess? Would you guys stop trolling Baldi. Not only does it derail these threads, but it is getting old.
Cluess is the best thing to happen to Iona since Jimmy V. Yes, his team is much better this year, and if he loses he should take a hit. But everyone loses and he has done a tremendous job overall (and I think Manhattan was just as good as Iona last year in terms of talent).
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Just my opinion, but those 11 and 12 seed play in games should be reserved for mid majors. Lunardi has Temple vs Texas and Indiana vs BYU. Put 4 mid majors and make them a 14 seed or so
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Just my opinion, but those 11 and 12 seed play in games should be reserved for mid majors. Lunardi has Temple vs Texas and Indiana vs BYU. Put 4 mid majors and make them a 14 seed or so
I want to see the best teams in. Don't care if its MId Major or not.
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I Just my opinion, but those 11 and 12 seed play in games should be reserved for mid majors. Lunardi has Temple vs Texas and Indiana vs BYU. Put 4 mid majors and make them a 14 seed or so
I want to see the best teams in. Don't care if its MId Major or not.
I agree Tony
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Fire Cluess? Would you guys stop trolling Baldi. Not only does it derail these threads, but it is getting old.
Cluess is the best thing to happen to Iona since Jimmy V. Yes, his team is much better this year, and if he loses he should take a hit. But everyone loses and he has done a tremendous job overall (and I think Manhattan was just as good as Iona last year in terms of talent).
Not trolling.
It's probably a non issue as I don't see Iona losing to Manhattan this year but if they do lose, this will be 3 out of 4 years in which Iona finished first during the regular season just to lose in their tournament. The only time they won their tournament was when they finished 4th during the regular season. In a league where winning your tournament is super important if Iona doesn't win it the season has to be looked at as a failure.
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I just hope Iona beats Manhattan and gets Virginia. That would be a great game of contrasting styles. It would be like LMU vs. Princeton with a shot clock.
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Regular season champs need to get the automatic bids to the NCAA tourney. Reward the best team & get best representative from the conf.
Jay Williams tweet
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Regular season champs need to get the automatic bids to the NCAA tourney. Reward the best team & get best representative from the conf.
Jay Williams tweet
He works for ESPN. They are making millions this week. Not going to happen.
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Regular season champs need to get the automatic bids to the NCAA tourney. Reward the best team & get best representative from the conf.
Jay Williams tweet
He works for ESPN. They are making millions this week. Not going to happen.
So does Jay Bilas
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In a way I like that a lot because I feel teams should be rewarded for going through a full schedule and winning their leagues. Makes the regular season that much more important. Granted a lot of leagues are not as tough to say the least, but would also make the bubble teams have to have a stronger resume to get in NCaa's
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Jay Williams battling it out on ESPN with Greenberg on this very. Topic
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if the win, like they should you'll have nothing to complain about if they don't win, they shouldn't get in.
Agreed. But I just don't see how teams who can't even finish top 5 in their conference deserve bids.
Xavier would steamroll through the MAAC.
Xavier lost to teams like Auburn, Long Beach St, DePaul and has 19 wins. They still have work to do
Long Beach St is 16-16
Xavier is in, barring an insane amount of bid thieves.
I made no mention of their record, just the way they schedule. Although, using your point, at 14-16 in D1, they are 103 in the RPI because they had a beastly non-con schedule, as they have the past few years. BYU, Xavier, Stephen F Austin, San Diego St, Texas, St. John's, Louisville, and Xavier again (neutral win) were road top 50 opponents. Also tried to get others in K state, UCLA, Syracuse, Washington, and Nevada (although K State was a home game).
Obviously they're the extreme, but if Iona scheduled 6/7 big time opponents and won 3, they'd be in great shape headed into the conference season. Like I said, no one to blame but themselves for not being in the at-large picture.
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3/9/15 - results
Championship games:
CAA - Northeastern (22-11) @ William & Mary (20-11): Congratulations to Northeastern on their first NCAA birth since 1991.
SoCon - Furman (11-21) @ Wofford (27-6): Wofford removes itself from bubble "contention" by earning the SoCon auto bid.
MAAC - Manhattan (18-13) @ Iona (26-7): Sorry Baldi...
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Fwiw. Lunardi has Iona "next 4 out"
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massiello did a great job in executing game plan, but lets not get away from basketball principle, its just very hard to beat a team 3 times. a good team at that, and i think iona was more of a victim of that then manhattan tonight. they took the same shots tonight they have taken all year.. just didnt fall as much tonight
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Team A: 25-5 (2-0 vs DII)
RPI: 70 SOS: 256 BPI: 71 KP: 77
Top 25: 0-0
Top 50: 0-1
Top 100: 1-2
Top 150: 4-4
Sub 150: 21-1
Road: 11-1
Neutral: 2-3
Team B: 19-12
RPI: 37 SOS: 22 BPI: 30 KP: 27
Top 25: 4-4
Top 50: 6-6
Top 100: 9-8
Top 150: 13-10
Sub 150: 6-2
Road: 5-7
Neutral: 1-2
Team C: 22-9
RPI: 34 SOS: 68 BPI: 65 KP: 52
Top 25: 1-4
Top 50: 2-7
Top 100: 7-8
Top 150: 8-8
Sub 150: 14-1
Road: 7-5
Neutral: 1-2
Team D 26-8
RPI: 51 SOS: 230 BPI: 95 KP: 106
Top 25: 0-1
Top 50: 0-2
Top 100: 0-3
Top 150: 5-3
Sub 150: 21-5
Road: 10-7
Neutral: 3-0
*Relative to where they are attempting to be ranked. The bubble comprises 11 and 12 seeds. That would be the 44th-48th best teams. I allow for +- 4 of these numbers to be considered neutral. Good is bold, bad is Italics, terrible is underlined.
RPI, BPI, SOS, and KP do not account for tonight's games.
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Team B does not have 20 regular seasons wins. How can they be rewarded ?
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Big picture. Why pick an arbitrary number of wins? Only rule regarding record is they must be above .500 for at-large consideration (That might even just be NIT, but imagine it is so for NCAA too)
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Rewarding a team for 26 Sub 150 games is exactly what the NCAA does not want to do. They want teams to schedule tough opponents. Not to mention, going 21-5 in those games is terrible in comparison to other teams on the bubble.
Sorry to pick on Iona for the comparison, but it's a great example of piling up meaningless wins.
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Rewarding a team for 26 Sub 150 games is exactly what the NCAA does not want to do. They want teams to schedule tough opponents. Not to mention, going 21-5 in those games is terrible in comparison to other teams on the bubble.
Sorry to pick on Iona for the comparison, but it's a great example of piling up meaningless wins.
Every team in the bracket has meaningless wins. Some even D2 wins
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Rewarding a team for 26 Sub 150 games is exactly what the NCAA does not want to do. They want teams to schedule tough opponents. Not to mention, going 21-5 in those games is terrible in comparison to other teams on the bubble.
Sorry to pick on Iona for the comparison, but it's a great example of piling up meaningless wins.
I guess it's right to award teams who finish 6th or 7th in their conference rather than teams dominate their conference?
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Rewarding a team for 26 Sub 150 games is exactly what the NCAA does not want to do. They want teams to schedule tough opponents. Not to mention, going 21-5 in those games is terrible in comparison to other teams on the bubble.
Sorry to pick on Iona for the comparison, but it's a great example of piling up meaningless wins.
I guess it's right to award teams who finish 6th or 7th in their conference rather than teams dominate their conference?
6th or 7th place team in the B10 ACC B12 goes undefeated in the MAAC and wins the conference tournament without sweating so why leave the better team out just because they are in a better conference
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Rewarding a team for 26 Sub 150 games is exactly what the NCAA does not want to do. They want teams to schedule tough opponents. Not to mention, going 21-5 in those games is terrible in comparison to other teams on the bubble.
Sorry to pick on Iona for the comparison, but it's a great example of piling up meaningless wins.
Every team in the bracket has meaningless wins. Some even D2 wins
That's true, but a D2 win doesn't hurt you in the eyes of the NCAA if you didn't schedule that game yourself. If you did, then yes, you should be penalized. In regards to Iona, they played a great MAAC season, but when they challenged themselves in Nov/Dec, they lost to Arkansas, which is fine, but then to George Mason and UMass.
If your best wins are Wake Forest, Indiana State and FGCU, you have very little to wave in front of the committee. Now, the point that I have not seen anyone bring up is that programs like Iona, and more so, Wichita State for example are avoided by many high majors, so I think that should be taken Into consideration.
St.John's and Seton Hall want nothing to do with Iona, and it's pretty obvious as to why.
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Rewarding a team for 26 Sub 150 games is exactly what the NCAA does not want to do. They want teams to schedule tough opponents. Not to mention, going 21-5 in those games is terrible in comparison to other teams on the bubble.
Sorry to pick on Iona for the comparison, but it's a great example of piling up meaningless wins.
Every team in the bracket has meaningless wins. Some even D2 wins
No at large team in the bracket will have anywhere close to 21 of them.
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Rewarding a team for 26 Sub 150 games is exactly what the NCAA does not want to do. They want teams to schedule tough opponents. Not to mention, going 21-5 in those games is terrible in comparison to other teams on the bubble.
Sorry to pick on Iona for the comparison, but it's a great example of piling up meaningless wins.
I guess it's right to award teams who finish 6th or 7th in their conference rather than teams dominate their conference?
6th or 7th place team in the B10 ACC B12 goes undefeated in the MAAC and wins the conference tournament without sweating so why leave the better team out just because they are in a better conference
Why bother having any mid major teams in if the regular season means nothing? Just make it the big east, ACC and big 12 tourny. Really excited to see Xavier vs Miami
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Rewarding a team for 26 Sub 150 games is exactly what the NCAA does not want to do. They want teams to schedule tough opponents. Not to mention, going 21-5 in those games is terrible in comparison to other teams on the bubble.
Sorry to pick on Iona for the comparison, but it's a great example of piling up meaningless wins.
Every team in the bracket has meaningless wins. Some even D2 wins
That's true, but a D2 win doesn't hurt you in the eyes of the NCAA if you didn't schedule that game yourself. If you did, then yes, you should be penalized. In regards to Iona, they played a great MAAC season, but when they challenged themselves in Nov/Dec, they lost to Arkansas, which is fine, but then to George Mason and UMass.
If your best wins are Wake Forest, Indiana State and FGCU, you have very little to wave in front of the committee. Now, the point that I have not seen anyone bring up is that programs like Iona, and more so, Wichita State for example are avoided by many high majors, so I think that should be taken Into consideration.
St.John's and Seton Hall want nothing to do with Iona, and it's pretty obvious as to why.
ACC will probably stop answering the phone now too. So mid majors will get stuck scheduling bums like North Texas again. NCAA should just Take over the scheduling
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You're right. Why base the selections on merit when we can base them on participation? May as well catch up with everything else in this country where nothing needs to be earned anymore....
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Baldi
Totally understand why you are pissed and I'm sorry Iona missed the dance.
That said they didn't play the type of schedule to get an at large with as many bad losses as they had. Gotta win the couple big games they have. Sucks but way it is. They could improve their scheduling within mid major out of conference too...
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They should stop ducking StJ.
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Baldi... I understand what your saying but it's part of the magic of march madness. Starting in March whether you are 0-30 or 30-0...every team has a chance to win the whole thing except Ivy league. I don't want that taken away and 68 teams is already too much. Wish they would go back to 64.
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Rewarding a team for 26 Sub 150 games is exactly what the NCAA does not want to do. They want teams to schedule tough opponents. Not to mention, going 21-5 in those games is terrible in comparison to other teams on the bubble.
Sorry to pick on Iona for the comparison, but it's a great example of piling up meaningless wins.
I guess it's right to award teams who finish 6th or 7th in their conference rather than teams dominate their conference?
6th or 7th place team in the B10 ACC B12 goes undefeated in the MAAC and wins the conference tournament without sweating so why leave the better team out just because they are in a better conference
Why bother having any mid major teams in if the regular season means nothing? Just make it the big east, ACC and big 12 tourny. Really excited to see Xavier vs Miami
You are an Iona fan so of course you would rather see Iona play Xavier instead of Miami or Iona play Miami instead of Xavier. But with that said Miami and Xavier fans would rather see their team play instead of Iona.
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Rewarding a team for 26 Sub 150 games is exactly what the NCAA does not want to do. They want teams to schedule tough opponents. Not to mention, going 21-5 in those games is terrible in comparison to other teams on the bubble.
Sorry to pick on Iona for the comparison, but it's a great example of piling up meaningless wins.
I guess it's right to award teams who finish 6th or 7th in their conference rather than teams dominate their conference?
6th or 7th place team in the B10 ACC B12 goes undefeated in the MAAC and wins the conference tournament without sweating so why leave the better team out just because they are in a better conference
Why bother having any mid major teams in if the regular season means nothing? Just make it the big east, ACC and big 12 tourny. Really excited to see Xavier vs Miami
You are an Iona fan so of course you would rather see Iona play Xavier instead of Miami or Iona play Miami instead of Xavier. But with that said Miami and Xavier fans would rather see their team play instead of Iona.
Why would we want to see Iona get thrashed by Xavier? Iona hasnt beaten a top 100 team all year. A team with that resume has no business in the big dance unless they win their conf. tourney, I'm sorry.
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They should stop ducking StJ.
LOL
IMO, St. John's would've rocked Iona this season.
As, others have said, Iona should improve their non-conference schedule.
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I woukd rather play Iona and Manhattan the long beach st. And Tulane
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Rewarding a team for 26 Sub 150 games is exactly what the NCAA does not want to do. They want teams to schedule tough opponents. Not to mention, going 21-5 in those games is terrible in comparison to other teams on the bubble.
Sorry to pick on Iona for the comparison, but it's a great example of piling up meaningless wins(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png).
I guess it's right to award(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png) teams who finish 6th or 7th in their conference rather than teams dominate their conference?
6th or 7th place team in the B10 ACC B12 goes undefeated in the MAAC and wins the conference tournament without sweating so why leave the better team out just because they are in a better conference
Why bother having any mid major teams in if the regular season means nothing? Just make it the big east, ACC and big 12 tourny. Really excited to see Xavier vs Miami
I'm 100% with you Baldi. teams like Texas, finishing 8th out of 10 teams in conference, have no business being in the tourney. The committee originally was saying they wanted to reward the good mid-majors that play solid OOC games, so let them stick to that.
The reality is those power conference teams that are 8 seeds or higher have no shot to win it all. the days of Villanova are long gone. i'd rather have some teams I never see trying to pull off a legitimate upset out of the 11-16 seeds.
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I was not talking about Iona or any particular mid major. But a team like Murray St wins 25 games in a row and they get no bid?
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I was not talking about Iona or any particular mid major. But a team like Murray St wins(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png) 25 games in a row and they get no bid?
Exactly. That's what put Jay Williams on tilt.
For these power conference teams, it's survival of the fittest. 7th, 8th place finishes in conference scream NIT. Racers should get an at-large in my book
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Rewarding a team for 26 Sub 150 games is exactly what the NCAA does not want to do. They want teams to schedule tough opponents. Not to mention, going 21-5 in those games is terrible in comparison to other teams on the bubble.
Sorry to pick on Iona for the comparison, but it's a great example of piling up meaningless wins.
I guess it's right to award teams who finish 6th or 7th in their conference rather than teams dominate their conference?
6th or 7th place team in the B10 ACC B12 goes undefeated in the MAAC and wins the conference tournament without sweating so why leave the better team out just because they are in a better conference
Why bother having any mid major teams in if the regular season means nothing? Just make it the big east, ACC and big 12 tourny. Really excited to see Xavier vs Miami
You are an Iona fan so of course you would rather see Iona play Xavier instead of Miami or Iona play Miami instead of Xavier. But with that said Miami and Xavier fans would rather see their team play instead of Iona.
Why would we want to see Iona get thrashed by Xavier? Iona hasnt beaten a top 100 team all year. A team with that resume has no business in the big dance unless they win their conf. tourney, I'm sorry.
Agree 100%.
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I was not talking about Iona or any particular mid major. But a team like Murray St wins(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png) 25 games in a row and they get no bid?
Exactly. That's what put Jay Williams on tilt.
For these power conference teams, it's survival of the fittest. 7th, 8th place finishes in conference scream NIT. Racers should get an at-large in my book
I agree, the Racers should be in the tournament. I still could see them receiving a bid, as a 12 seed.
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I was not talking about Iona or any particular mid major. But a team like Murray St wins(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png) 25 games in a row and they get no bid?
Exactly. That's what put Jay Williams on tilt.
For these power conference teams, it's survival of the fittest. 7th, 8th place finishes in conference scream NIT. Racers should get an at-large in my book
I agree, the Racers should be in the tournament. I still could see them receiving a bid, as a 12 seed.
It sucks that they missed the tournament due to a 1 pt loss but they really didn't beat anyone this year.
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I like Iona, but this isn't their best team in recent years. And in this particular season, I would rather see Murray State, Texas, Xavier, or an Indiana in the tournament because I think any of those teams could win 2+ games under the right conditions. Under no condition do I see the Gaels being able to beat anyone in the tournament this year.
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3/10/15
Championship/bubble games:
NEC: Robert Morris (18-14) @ St. Francis (23-10)-
Horizon: Green Bay (24-7) @ Valparaiso (27-5) -
Summit: North Dakota St. (22-9) @ South Dakota St (23-9) -
WCC/bubble: BYU (25-8) @ Gonzaga (31-2) - I think the committee might give a bid to BYU even with a loss. They've rewarded teams for finals losses before, and BYU is right on that cut line. Experts keep saying this team is better than their profile. If they win, this paragraph will be moot.
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ON THE BUBBLE
Last Four Byes
LSU
Ole Miss
Oklahoma State
Purdue
Last Four In
BYU
Temple
Texas
Indiana
First Four Out
Miami (FL)
Old Dominion
Tulsa
Texas A&M
Next Four Out
UCLA
Illinois
Murray State
Iona
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3/10/15
Championship/bubble games:
NEC: Robert Morris (18-14) @ St. Francis (23-10)- Robert Morris heads to the dance
Horizon: Green Bay (24-7) @ Valparaiso (27-5) - Valparaiso takes the Horizon league, looking like a 13 seed or so.
Summit: North Dakota St. (22-9) @ South Dakota St (23-9) - The Bison stampede the Jackrabbits to take the Summit (sorry, just wanted to write jack rabbit)
WCC/bubble: BYU (25-8) @ Gonzaga (31-2) - Should be interesting to see what happens to BYU. Gonzaga shocks the world and makes the tournament :P
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so bummed about St. Francis losing last night...
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3/10/15
Championship/bubble games:
NEC: Robert Morris (18-14) @ St. Francis (23-10)- Robert Morris heads to the dance
Horizon: Green Bay (24-7) @ Valparaiso (27-5) - Valparaiso takes the Horizon league, looking like a 13 seed or so.
Summit: North Dakota St. (22-9) @ South Dakota St (23-9) - The Bison stampede the Jackrabbits to take the Summit (sorry, just wanted to write jack rabbit)
WCC/bubble: BYU (25-8) @ Gonzaga (31-2) - Should be interesting to see what happens to BYU. Gonzaga shocks the world and makes the tournament :P
Absurd if BYU doesn't get in
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so bummed about St. Francis losing last night...
Free throws killed them. Not just the last 3. Shame
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Iona and St. Francis losing hurts Seton Hall's NIT chances. Because both are guaranteed NIT spots because of the conference champion rule.
If they had won they would be NCAA bound and the losers of those games Manhattan and RMU would NOT be under consideration for NIT bids because of their weak RPI's.
So by IONA and SFU losing in a perverse way helps their conferences. It thus guarantees 2 spots (1 each in the NCAA and NIT) in the two most high profile post season tourneys.
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3/10/15
Championship/bubble games:
NEC: Robert Morris (18-14) @ St. Francis (23-10)- Robert Morris heads to the dance
Horizon: Green Bay (24-7) @ Valparaiso (27-5) - Valparaiso takes the Horizon league, looking like a 13 seed or so.
Summit: North Dakota St. (22-9) @ South Dakota St (23-9) - The Bison stampede the Jackrabbits to take the Summit (sorry, just wanted to write jack rabbit)
WCC/bubble: BYU (25-8) @ Gonzaga (31-2) - Should be interesting to see what happens to BYU. Gonzaga shocks the world and makes the tournament :P
i can't be the only one excited about valpo being a 13 again, can I?
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3/11/15 Bubble and Championship games:
Championship:
Patriot League: American U (17-15) @ Lafayette (19-12) - Is it un-American to root for Lafayette? These two might be battling it out for the right to battle it out for the right to play Kentucky. What a reward.
Bubble:
Washington @ Stanford (18-12) - Stanford needs some wins and some help.
Texas Tech @ Texas (19-12) - A loss will likely be the end for Texas.
Virginia Tech @ Miami (20-11)- Wave bye bye with a loss. Need at least a couple of wins.
Pitt (19-13) @ NC State (19-12) - NC State probably safe either way, but an extra win never hurt. Pitt needs this and then some....and then some.
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3/11/15 Bubble and Championship games:
Championship:
Patriot League: American U (17-15) @ Lafayette (19-12) - Is it un-American to root for Lafayette? These two might be battling it out for the right to battle it out for the right to play Kentucky. What a reward.
Bubble:
Washington @ Stanford (18-12) - Stanford needs some wins and some help.
Texas Tech @ Texas (19-12) - A loss will likely be the end for Texas.
Virginia Tech @ Miami (20-11)- Wave bye bye with a loss. Need at least a couple of wins.
Pitt (19-13) @ NC State (19-12) - NC State probably safe either way, but an extra win never hurt. Pitt needs this and then some....and then some.
So I guess the only team who deserves a bid is the winner of the Patriot
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Huh?
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Huh?
Rest don't deserve a bid, unless they win their tournament of course
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Not when compared to Iona ;)
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Not when compared to Iona ;)
Stanford finished 5th, Miami and Texas 6th, NC State 7th.
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Not when compared to Iona ;)
Stanford finished 5th, Miami and Texas 6th, NC State 7th.
In leagues loaded with talent.
I agree with you about the play-in games featuring midmajors. And maybe more conferences should give their bid to the regular season champ.
But I would take texas or NC State over Iona. They can give good teams a run for their money. I dont think Iona can win a game in the ncaas.
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Texas finished 8-10 in conference. So did Pitt, Fla St, Clemson, Oklahoma st, Michigan, Oregon St. Kansas St. All in leagues loaded with talent. I guess they all deserve a bid
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Texas finished 8-10 in conference. So did Pitt, Fla St, Clemson, Oklahoma st, Michigan, Oregon St. Kansas St. All in leagues loaded with talent. I guess they all deserve a bid
Not all. Just enough to get to 68 teams.
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Texas finished 8-10 in conference. So did Pitt, Fla St, Clemson, Oklahoma st, Michigan, Oregon St. Kansas St. All in leagues loaded with talent. I guess they all deserve a bid
Not every win is equal. Not every loss is equal. Not every conference record is equal. Texas played 5 top 20 teams twice each in conference. Their "easy" conference games were OK State (RPI 45, BPI 30), K State (RPI 83, BPI 76), TCU (RPI 126, BPI 62, 13-0 non-conference), and Texas Tech (RPI 172, BPI 142). Texas Tech would give the top of the MAAC and the OVC a run for their money. So would TCU. They won a combined 7 games in the Big 12. Texas would have won every game by 10+ in the MAAC, and they are barely hanging on because they played in the Big 12 and lost 10 games in conference.
The NCAA committee has to pick the best 36 at-large teams they can. Not the 30 best teams and 6 teams that would make the best underdogs.
Bottom line is Texas, OK State, Miami, NC State, Indiana, Xavier, etc., are better than most of the smaller conference teams with 20+ wins (or whatever arbitrary number).
Ask a Vegas oddsmaker who would have better odds to win the tourney, Kansas State or Iona, then remember that K State finished 8th in the Big 12.
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Stop crying Baldi.. You guys spit the bit and lost to Manhattan. You played no one all season and have zero quality wins ( outside of Manhattan, in committee's eyes)...
NIT will be fun and better competition for you guys.
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Texas finished 8-10 in conference. So did Pitt, Fla St, Clemson, Oklahoma st, Michigan, Oregon St. Kansas St. All in leagues loaded with talent. I guess they all deserve a bid
Not every win is equal. Not every loss is equal. Not every conference record is equal. Texas played 5 top 20 teams twice each in conference. Their "easy" conference games were OK State (RPI 45, BPI 30), K State (RPI 83, BPI 76), TCU (RPI 126, BPI 62, 13-0 non-conference), and Texas Tech (RPI 172, BPI 142). Texas Tech would give the top of the MAAC and the OVC a run for their money. So would TCU. They won a combined 7 games in the Big 12. Texas would have won every game by 10+ in the MAAC, and they are barely hanging on because they played in the Big 12 and lost 10 games in conference.
The NCAA committee has to pick the best 36 at-large teams they can. Not the 30 best teams and 6 teams that would make the best underdogs.
Bottom line is Texas, OK State, Miami, NC State, Indiana, Xavier, etc., are better than most of the smaller conference teams with 20+ wins (or whatever arbitrary number).
Ask a Vegas oddsmaker who would have better odds to win the tourney, Kansas State or Iona, then remember that K State finished 8th in the Big 12.
So regular season only matters for big conferences. NCAA should just take teams from big conferences. Seems to be leaning that way.
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Stop crying Baldi.. You guys spit the bit and lost to Manhattan. You played no one all season and have zero quality wins ( outside of Manhattan, in committee's eyes)...
NIT will be fun and better competition for you guys.
I'm not even talking about Iona. You guys keep bringing it up. Murray St. Old D, La tech, BYU should be in no matter what
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Texas finished 8-10 in conference. So did Pitt, Fla St, Clemson, Oklahoma st, Michigan, Oregon St. Kansas St. All in leagues loaded with talent. I guess they all deserve a bid
Not every win is equal. Not every loss is equal. Not every conference record is equal. Texas played 5 top 20 teams twice each in conference. Their "easy" conference games were OK State (RPI 45, BPI 30), K State (RPI 83, BPI 76), TCU (RPI 126, BPI 62, 13-0 non-conference), and Texas Tech (RPI 172, BPI 142). Texas Tech would give the top of the MAAC and the OVC a run for their money. So would TCU. They won a combined 7 games in the Big 12. Texas would have won every game by 10+ in the MAAC, and they are barely hanging on because they played in the Big 12 and lost 10 games in conference.
The NCAA committee has to pick the best 36 at-large teams they can. Not the 30 best teams and 6 teams that would make the best underdogs.
Bottom line is Texas, OK State, Miami, NC State, Indiana, Xavier, etc., are better than most of the smaller conference teams with 20+ wins (or whatever arbitrary number).
Ask a Vegas oddsmaker who would have better odds to win the tourney, Kansas State or Iona, then remember that K State finished 8th in the Big 12.
So regular season only matters for big conferences. NCAA should just take teams from big conferences. Seems to be leaning that way.
Those teams each have 3+ wins against ranked teams baldi.
NC state has beaten Duke, UNC and Louisville. You do that and win approx 20 games, you deserve to dance. A team like that can string together some wins ND reach the sweet 16 if things go right.
Iona wouldn't get out of the first round even if they played perfectly.
your guys needed to win their tourny, or schedule tougher non conference opponents.
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So regular season only matters for big conferences. NCAA should just take teams from big conferences. Seems to be leaning that way.
Not true. Regular season matters for Iona and Murray St. in that they should've scheduled a somewhat competitive non-conf schedule. The NCAA has not made that a secret. They want teams to at least attempt to schedule tough games.
With the rest of their conferences being as bad as they are this year, the only thing the conference schedule was good for was avoiding bad losses. Murray St would've been in if they'd beaten Xavier IMO. Heck, if the committee ignores the SOS, the lack of quality wins, and all the computer numbers, they might still get in. The committee might look past the one horrific loss. Iona is a different story with 5 horrible losses.
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So regular season only matters for big conferences. NCAA should just take teams from big conferences. Seems to be leaning that way.
Not true. Regular season matters for Iona and Murray St. in that they should've scheduled a somewhat competitive non-conf schedule. The NCAA has not made that a secret. They want teams to at least attempt to schedule tough games.
With the rest of their conferences being as bad as they are this year, the only thing the conference schedule was good for was avoiding bad losses. Murray St would've been in if they'd beaten Xavier IMO. Heck, if the committee ignores the SOS, the lack of quality wins, and all the computer numbers, they might still get in. The committee might look past the one horrific loss. Iona is a different story with 5 horrible losses.
Again, I'm not talking Iona. I'm talking mid majors. I think the NCAA should step in and have a say in scheduling
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If you're referring to just the conference regular season games - the way the system is set up, when your conference is terrible, they matter only to determine seeding in your tournament (and the avoiding bad losses thing). That's not Texas' fault; that's the MAAC and OVC's fault for giving their bid to the conference tourney winner rather than the regular season champion.
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So regular season only matters for big conferences. NCAA should just take teams from big conferences. Seems to be leaning that way.
Not true. Regular season matters for Iona and Murray St. in that they should've scheduled a somewhat competitive non-conf schedule. The NCAA has not made that a secret. They want teams to at least attempt to schedule tough games.
With the rest of their conferences being as bad as they are this year, the only thing the conference schedule was good for was avoiding bad losses. Murray St would've been in if they'd beaten Xavier IMO. Heck, if the committee ignores the SOS, the lack of quality wins, and all the computer numbers, they might still get in. The committee might look past the one horrific loss. Iona is a different story with 5 horrible losses.
Again, I'm not talking Iona. I'm talking mid majors. I think the NCAA should step in and have a say in scheduling
I included Murray State, not just Iona.
Mid-majors tend to make the dance if they have 25+ wins. You're talking low-majors.
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If you're referring to just the conference regular season games - the way the system is set up, when your conference is terrible, they matter only to determine seeding in your tournament (and the avoiding bad losses thing). That's not Texas' fault; that's the MAAC and OVC's fault for giving their bid to the conference tourney winner rather than the regular season champion.
But it is Texas' fault that they are 8-10 in their league. Why is that rewarded?
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So regular season only matters for big conferences. NCAA should just take teams from big conferences. Seems to be leaning that way.
Not true. Regular season matters for Iona and Murray St. in that they should've scheduled a somewhat competitive non-conf schedule. The NCAA has not made that a secret. They want teams to at least attempt to schedule tough games.
With the rest of their conferences being as bad as they are this year, the only thing the conference schedule was good for was avoiding bad losses. Murray St would've been in if they'd beaten Xavier IMO. Heck, if the committee ignores the SOS, the lack of quality wins, and all the computer numbers, they might still get in. The committee might look past the one horrific loss. Iona is a different story with 5 horrible losses.
Again, I'm not talking Iona. I'm talking mid majors. I think the NCAA should step in and have a say in scheduling
I included Murray State, not just Iona.
Mid-majors tend to make the dance if they have 25+ wins. You're talking low-majors.
Murray st has 27 wins, Iona 26. But I guess they are low majors.
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So regular season only matters for big conferences. NCAA should just take teams from big conferences. Seems to be leaning that way.
Not true. Regular season matters for Iona and Murray St. in that they should've scheduled a somewhat competitive non-conf schedule. The NCAA has not made that a secret. They want teams to at least attempt to schedule tough games.
With the rest of their conferences being as bad as they are this year, the only thing the conference schedule was good for was avoiding bad losses. Murray St would've been in if they'd beaten Xavier IMO. Heck, if the committee ignores the SOS, the lack of quality wins, and all the computer numbers, they might still get in. The committee might look past the one horrific loss. Iona is a different story with 5 horrible losses.
Again, I'm not talking Iona. I'm talking mid majors. I think the NCAA should step in and have a say in scheduling
I included Murray State, not just Iona.
Mid-majors tend to make the dance if they have 25+ wins. You're talking low-majors.
Murray st has 27 wins, Iona 26. But I guess they are low majors.
And if they are low mid majors, how come they have trouble scheduling games with the bigger conferences?
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3/11/15 Bubble and Championship games:
Championship:
Patriot League: American U (17-15) @ Lafayette (19-12) - Congratulations to Lafayette (fun note, this was the third meeting of the teams this year. American won the first two.)
Bubble:
Washington @ Stanford (18-12) - Stanford 71 Washington 69 Stanford survives, for now
Texas Tech @ Texas (19-12) - Texas 65 Texas Tech 53 Will it be enough?
Virginia Tech @ Miami (20-11)- Miami 59 VT 49 Miami stays alive
Pitt (19-13) @ NC State (19-12) - NC State 81 Pitt 70 NIT for Pitt
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I don't like those 16 seed play in games either. Lunardi has Manhattan playing Robert Morris for a 16 seed.
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But it is Texas' fault that they are 8-10 in their league. Why is that rewarded?
5 top 20 teams in their league.
Murray st has 27 wins, Iona 26. But I guess they are low majors.
Low major refers to the conference. So yes, they are low majors.
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I don't like those 16 seed play in games either. Lunardi has Manhattan playing Robert Morris for a 16 seed.
This is something we agree on. I think if you win your tournament for the auto bid, you shouldn't then have to play to get into the real tourney. Though I think they get paid the same for the first four games, so it works out monetarily. But for the kids sake...
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Was there the "bracket-buster" games this year? Those were always solid match ups for some of the non major programs.
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They got rid of bracket busters, I think two years ago was the last one.
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Was there the "bracket-buster" games this year? Those were always solid match ups for some of the non major programs.
They did away with the whole bracketbuster thing. No idea why. I thought it was a good measuring point and a chance to get a good win
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3/12/15 Bubble and Championship games
Championship:
None
Bubble:
Michigan @ Illinois (19-12) - Illinois needs a couple of wins
Air Force @ Boise State (24-7) - Avoid the bad loss and they'll have a chance. (though I don't know who they'd play if they win).
Auburn @ Texas A&M (20-10) - A loss means pop.
Middle Tennessee @ ODU (24-6) - Some think they need the championship, but they definitely need this one.
USC @ UCLA (19-12) - UCLA needs more than this
Northwestern @ Indiana (19-12) - Seriously, Indiana, just win a bleeping game.
Texas (20-12) @ Iowa State - A win should lock it up. A loss means a very anxious few days.
Colorado @ Oregon (23-8) - Might already be good, but should avoid the bad loss
South Carolina @ Ole Miss (20-11) - They have a few bad losses, a few good wins, do they need more?
Miami (21-11) @ Notre Dame - I think they need at least this win, if not more.
Fresno State @ Colorado St (26-5) - Might be able to afford a 2nd bad loss, but why risk it.
Stanford (19-12) @ Utah - For Stanford, their season rests on this game. Lose, and I don't think they've done enough. Win, and I think they're in...or at least really close, which counts for....nothing.
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Would love to see Indiana, Miami, Illinois and UCLA all lose
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Illinois, Texas A&M, Iowa & Old Diminion all lost this afternoon.
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So regular season only matters for big conferences. NCAA should just take teams from big conferences. Seems to be leaning that way.
Not true. Regular season matters for Iona and Murray St. in that they should've scheduled a somewhat competitive non-conf schedule. The NCAA has not made that a secret. They want teams to at least attempt to schedule tough games.
With the rest of their conferences being as bad as they are this year, the only thing the conference schedule was good for was avoiding bad losses. Murray St would've been in if they'd beaten Xavier IMO. Heck, if the committee ignores the SOS, the lack of quality wins, and all the computer numbers, they might still get in. The committee might look past the one horrific loss. Iona is a different story with 5 horrible losses.
Again, I'm not talking Iona. I'm talking mid majors. I think the NCAA should step in and have a say in scheduling
I agree!
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So regular season only matters for big conferences. NCAA should just take teams from big conferences. Seems to be leaning that way.
Not true. Regular season matters for Iona and Murray St. in that they should've scheduled a somewhat competitive non-conf schedule. The NCAA has not made that a secret. They want teams to at least attempt to schedule tough games.
With the rest of their conferences being as bad as they are this year, the only thing the conference schedule was good for was avoiding bad losses. Murray St would've been in if they'd beaten Xavier IMO. Heck, if the committee ignores the SOS, the lack of quality wins, and all the computer numbers, they might still get in. The committee might look past the one horrific loss. Iona is a different story with 5 horrible losses.
Again, I'm not talking Iona. I'm talking mid majors. I think the NCAA should step in and have a say in scheduling
What's next, they have a say in recruiting too? :-/
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Bubble
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Bubble
I hate underperforming, middling power conf. teams. I could care less about a couple of top 50 wins when a team loses 8 others.
I'd rather put in Conf. Regular season winners that have good season records. Usually those teams have a better shot of advancing. Look at those middling power conf. 10 or higher seeds. Never beyond sweet 16. Dayton, VCU, Mason - did it.
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We are not on the bubble. This seems like a weak bottom of the field this year, we are safely in.
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We are not on the bubble. This seems like a weak bottom of the field this year, we are safely in.
Think he was talking about Iona?
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We are not on the bubble. This seems like a weak bottom of the field this year, we are safely in.
Good wins?
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We are not on the bubble. This seems like a weak bottom of the field this year, we are safely in.
Good wins?
LOL
Troll on, troll on.
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We are not on the bubble. This seems like a weak bottom of the field this year, we are safely in.
Good wins?
LOL
Troll on, troll on.
Providence and Georetown?
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The play in is a complete joke that should be done away with. No way in hell Texas and Illinois should be in the tourney.
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NIT. Bring it Iona
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Why so quiet here
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You are just trying to push buttons obviously. We are in the tournament, not sure what else needs to be said that hasn't already
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You are just trying to push buttons obviously. We are in the tournament, not sure what else needs to be said that hasn't already
Just got pummeled
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Baldi, you are clearly just trolling. I understand you're upset because your Gaels lost, but there's no need to try and take it out on us just because we lost a game. We will still be dancing. I wish Iona luck in their opening round road game in the NIT.
Anyway, some bubbles popping as the day goes on. Illinois and Texas A&M appear to be finished. I'm not so sure about ODU. They have several bad losses, like Iona, but they also have some good wins. There is a slight chance they squeak in, especially if the bubble continues to collapse.
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No one is taking Baldi bait? You cats are finally learning. Or maybe Hnk passed out drunk after a few wine coolers post game.
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Baldi, you are clearly just trolling. I understand you're upset because your Gaels lost, but there's no need to try and take it out on us just because we lost a game. We will still be dancing. I wish Iona luck in their opening round road game in the NIT.
Anyway, some bubbles popping as the day goes on. Illinois and Texas A&M appear to be finished. I'm not so sure about ODU. They have several bad losses, like Iona, but they also have some good wins. There is a slight chance they squeak in, especially if the bubble continues to collapse.
So St. John's biubbles doesn't pop?
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No one is taking Baldi bait? You cats are finally learning. Or maybe Hnk passed out drunk after a few wine coolers post game.
Great wins against providence and Zgtown. Who else?
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Lol. What are you arguing about? Are you saying, SJU , your team, doesn't deserve to be in the tournament? When just about every expert has us securely dancing?
You should be happy we were in , right?
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No one is taking Baldi bait? You cats are finally learning. Or maybe Hnk passed out drunk after a few wine coolers post game.
Great wins against providence and Zgtown. Who else?
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Syracuse, St.Mary's and Xavier twice. Those matter. The SU win is like a win over a tournament team. With Chris McCullough, SU in the Carrier Dome is a big W.
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Why are you making the tourney case to Baldi?
It's already been made . He can look it up. Things like rpi, SOS , all that good stuff.
That Lunardi fella he quoted as gospel when we were 1st Four Out... Now he doesn't know squat?
Please.
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No one is taking Baldi bait? You cats are finally learning. Or maybe Hnk passed out drunk after a few wine coolers post game.
Great line Boo.
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Ya cause getting your balls beat usually helps your situation
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Ya cause getting your balls beat usually helps your situation
Again, what is your point here? I don't get it. They got trounced today. We all saw it.
Probably doesn't make a bit of difference. Maybe we are a 10 seed instead of 8? Ok.
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Ya cause getting your balls beat usually helps your situation
Again, what is your point here? I don't get it. They got trounced today. We all saw it.
Probably doesn't make a bit of difference. Maybe we are a 10 seed instead of 8? Ok.
Ya maybe
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Are you even a SJU fan you? Baldi is butturt SJU is making the tourney!!! hahahahahha And he is bored, he has no sh*tty MAAC games to watch.
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Are you even a SJU fan you? Baldi is butturt SJU is making the tourney!!! hahahahahha And he is bored, he has no sh*tty MAAC games to watch.
After getting pummeled I'm not sure SJU is in
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Have to agree Baldi. we got our asses kicked & blew an opportunity to get a better seed. The last thing I would do is bust your balls about Iona loss & not getting to Big Dance. I know it hurts, so maybe you can give me a break for an hour or so man. :)
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Have to agree Baldi. we got our asses kicked & blew an opportunity to get a better seed. The last thing I would do is bust your balls about Iona loss & not getting to Big Dance. I know it hurts, so maybe you can give me a break for an hour or so man. :)
Will do my man ,sorry
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Have to agree Baldi. we got our asses kicked & blew an opportunity to get a better seed. The last thing I would do is bust your balls about Iona loss & not getting to Big Dance. I know it hurts, so maybe you can give me a break for an hour or so man. :)
Will do my man ,sorry
Should have asked for a few days. :) Good luck in NIT man!
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Have to agree Baldi. we got our asses kicked & blew an opportunity to get a better seed. The last thing I would do is bust your balls about Iona loss & not getting to Big Dance. I know it hurts, so maybe you can give me a break for an hour or so man. :)
Will do my man ,sorry
Should have asked for a few days. :) Good luck in NIT man!
Thanks. See you there
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Would be a dream come true for Baldi.
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Would be a dream come true for Baldi.
Not at all. Just ironic. St. John's is getting in
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Humor me. Why is it ironic? You don't think 21-11 should get in?
Why should they be left out? Because they got blown out their last two games?
You've been condoning that Iona should be in for a few days but as of today St Johns , with a far superior résumé shouldn't go? Which is it?
You should probably take paultz's advice and just stop.
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Humor me. Why is it ironic? You don't think 21-11 should get in?
Why should they be left out? Because they got blown out their last two games?
You've been condoning that Iona should be in for a few days but as of today St Johns , with a far superior résumé shouldn't go? Which is it?
You should probably take paultz's advice and just stop.
Please show me where I said Iona should be in.
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"Creighton is going to have to win the Big east tournamentto get in"
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Again you fail to answer the question, are you can sju fan. You are not. You like to see them lose so you can come here and flame. You never ever flame Iona.
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Again you fail to answer the question, are you can sju fan. You are not. You like to see them lose so you can come here and flame. You never ever flame Iona.
I am a SJU fan
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Again you fail to answer the question, are you can sju fan. You are not. You like to see them lose so you can come here and flame. You never ever flame Iona.
I am a SJU fan
Seriously then, why would come on here and pick apart their NCAA resume ? Don't you want them in? I can't think of another person that would come here and do that? Makes no sense.
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Again you fail to answer the question, are you can sju fan. You are not. You like to see them lose so you can come here and flame. You never ever flame Iona.
I am a SJU fan
Seriously then, why would come on here and pick apart their NCAA resume ? Don't you want them in? I can't think of another person that would come here and do that? Makes no sense.
Time for a new coach
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Irrelevant at the moment. You didn't answer the question of course.
There is no rational answer . You don't troll the fans of the same team you are a fan of saying they don't deserve to make the big dance, especially when they are already in.
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Irrelevant at the moment. You didn't answer the question of course.
There is no rational answer . You don't troll the fans of the same team you are a fan of saying they don't deserve to make the big dance, especially when they are already in.
Irrelevant but there is no rational answer? Cmon man.
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I don't think it's trolling by questioning that SJU is a lock vs bubble.
While I think they are a lock stranger things have happened. Bottom line is SJU didn't do what it needed to do to remove all doubt.
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What scares me is UConn and UNLV possibly stealing bids by winning their conference tournaments.
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So our season sweep of Prov just lost a lot of luster and our coach is telling the press he is not a good tourney coach. Yeah, I'd say that's reason for concern heading into selection Sunday.
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So our season sweep of Prov just lost a lot of luster and our coach is telling the press he is not a good tourney coach. Yeah, I'd say that's reason for concern heading into selection Sunday.
Regular season doesn't matter, so I was told anyway
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So our season sweep of Prov just lost a lot of luster and our coach is telling the press he is not a good tourney coach. Yeah, I'd say that's reason for concern heading into selection Sunday.
Regular season doesn't matter, so I was told anyway
I was about to comment until I saw your edited response. Lol.
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I don't think it's trolling by questioning that SJU is a lock vs bubble.
While I think they are a lock stranger things have happened. Bottom line is SJU didn't do what it needed to do to remove all doubt.
They did by beating gtown then marquette
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We could get the play in game.
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What scares me is UConn and UNLV possibly stealing bids by winning their conference tournaments.
Why in the world would that scare St. johns fans??? We have a profile better than nearly every bubble team. Lowest we will be is a 10. Even if these teams get in the tournament, they will be 12/13 seeds. It doesnt matter to St. johns seeding if they win. If teams in the 8-10 range win, then we may fall, but we are IN so stop this trivial banter.....
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I don't think it's trolling by questioning that SJU is a lock vs bubble.
Get real! That's BS and you know it.
You're simply placating Baldi's trolling, IMO.
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We could get the play in game.
Please!
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Rooting for butler and Notre dame just in case.
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Goodbyes Texas
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Look at the numbers. We are in. If Gtown win didn't seal it Marquette was the cherry on top. I'm extremely disappointed with how we ended the year, but we are good.
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Goodbyes Texas
Got excited for a minute-thought you posted goodbye Taxes.
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Look at the numbers. We are in. If Gtown win didn't seal it Marquette was the cherry on top. I'm extremely disappointed with how we ended the year, but we are good.
We got blown out on home court. I don't see how it helps
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Look at the numbers. We are in. If Gtown win didn't seal it Marquette was the cherry on top. I'm extremely disappointed with how we ended the year, but we are good.
We got blown out on home court. I don't see how it helps
Did not need help to get in. No need to invent a problem here
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Look at the numbers. We are in. If Gtown win didn't seal it Marquette was the cherry on top. I'm extremely disappointed with how we ended the year, but we are good.
We got blown out on home court. I don't see how it helps
Did not need help to get in. No need to invent a problem here
You're right. They did that on their own
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We could get the play in game.
Please!
Why is that crazy? We have 11 losses, and we just shat the bed in the BE tourney.
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Ole Miss, Miami both lose.
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We could get the play in game.
Please!
Why is that crazy? We have 11 losses, and we just shat the bed in the BE tourney.
The play-in game is relegated to teams who barely got into the tournament. St. John's isn't gonna "barely" get into the tournament.
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We could get the play in game.
Please!
Why is that crazy? We have 11 losses, and we just shat the bed in the BE tourney.
The play-in game is relegated to teams who barely got into the tournament. St. John's isn't gonna "barely" get into the tournament.
We went 10-8 in the BE, and got killed in the first round of our conference tournament. We have 11 losses. Take a look at our record vs the top 25 and tell me there's no doubt we're in.
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Who else is playing tonight that we need to go down? Saw Miami and UNLV lost.
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We could get the play in game.
Please!
Why is that crazy? We have 11 losses, and we just shat the bed in the BE tourney.
The play-in game is relegated to teams who barely got into the tournament. St. John's isn't gonna "barely" get into the tournament.
We went 10-8 in the BE, and got killed in the first round of our conference tournament. We have 11 losses. Take a look at our record vs the top 25 and tell me there's no doubt we're in.
We are not gonna barely make the tournament with our resume', RPI ranking, and the conferences RPI rating. That's not gonna happen!
Some of you either don't understand or simply can't get it through your thick skulls.
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Who else is playing tonight that we need to go down? Saw Miami and UNLV lost.
Xavier
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We could get the play in game.
Please!
Why is that crazy? We have 11 losses, and we just shat the bed in the BE tourney.
The play-in game is relegated to teams who barely got into the tournament. St. John's isn't gonna "barely" get into the tournament.
We went 10-8 in the BE, and got killed in the first round of our conference tournament. We have 11 losses. Take a look at our record vs the top 25 and tell me there's no doubt we're in.
We are not gonna barely make the tournament with our resume', RPI ranking, and the conferences RPI rating. That's not gonna happen!
Some of you either don't understand or simply can't get it through your thick skulls.
Xavier isn't even on the bubble and they have 12 losses.
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We could get the play in game.
Please!
Why is that crazy? We have 11 losses, and we just shat the bed in the BE tourney.
The play-in game is relegated to teams who barely got into the tournament. St. John's isn't gonna "barely" get into the tournament.
We went 10-8 in the BE, and got killed in the first round of our conference tournament. We have 11 losses. Take a look at our record vs the top 25 and tell me there's no doubt we're in.
We are not gonna barely make the tournament with our resume', RPI ranking, and the conferences RPI rating. That's not gonna happen!
Some of you either don't understand or simply can't get it through your thick skulls.
Xavier isn't even on the bubble and they have 12 losses.
I happened to change the channel to ESPN, and ironically, they were scrawling the Big East teams who are "IN" the tournament.
The scrawl read.... "Villanova, Georgetown, Butler, Providence, St. John's, Xavier."
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We could get the play in game.
Please!
Why is that crazy? We have 11 losses, and we just shat the bed in the BE tourney.
The play-in game is relegated to teams who barely got into the tournament. St. John's isn't gonna "barely" get into the tournament.
We went 10-8 in the BE, and got killed in the first round of our conference tournament. We have 11 losses. Take a look at our record vs the top 25 and tell me there's no doubt we're in.
We are not gonna barely make the tournament with our resume', RPI ranking, and the conferences RPI rating. That's not gonna happen!
Some of you either don't understand or simply can't get it through your thick skulls.
This team is a hair better than they were last year, but believe whatever makes you happy.
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We could get the play in game.
Please!
Why is that crazy? We have 11 losses, and we just shat the bed in the BE tourney.
The play-in game is relegated to teams who barely got into the tournament. St. John's isn't gonna "barely" get into the tournament.
We went 10-8 in the BE, and got killed in the first round of our conference tournament. We have 11 losses. Take a look at our record vs the top 25 and tell me there's no doubt we're in.
We are not gonna barely make the tournament with our resume', RPI ranking, and the conferences RPI rating. That's not gonna happen!
Some of you either don't understand or simply can't get it through your thick skulls.
This team is a hair better than they were last year, but believe whatever makes you happy.
Let me give you some facts. Maybe, this will help you out since you can't pick up.
Their RPI is much better than it was last season. Their RPI is what killed them a season ago, as it was around #60 or #61. This year it's in the high 30's. Not to mention, the conference RPI is #2 at the moment.
It doesn't have anything to do with making me "happy." It's about common sense and being aware how the system works.
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We could get the play in game.
Please!
Why is that crazy? We have 11 losses, and we just shat the bed in the BE tourney.
The play-in game is relegated to teams who barely got into the tournament. St. John's isn't gonna "barely" get into the tournament.
We went 10-8 in the BE, and got killed in the first round of our conference tournament. We have 11 losses. Take a look at our record vs the top 25 and tell me there's no doubt we're in.
We are not gonna barely make the tournament with our resume', RPI ranking, and the conferences RPI rating. That's not gonna happen!
Some of you either don't understand or simply can't get it through your thick skulls.
This team is a hair better than they were last year, but believe whatever makes you happy.
Let me give you some facts. Maybe, this will help you out since you can't pick up.
Their RPI is much better than it was last season. Their RPI is what killed them a season ago, as it was around #60 or #61. This year it's in the high 30's. Not to mention, the conference RPI is #2 at the moment.
It doesn't have anything to do with making me "happy." It's about common sense and being aware how the system works.
Has Lavin ever won a big east game with his own players?
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We could get the play in game.
Please!
Why is that crazy? We have 11 losses, and we just shat the bed in the BE tourney.
The play-in game is relegated to teams who barely got into the tournament. St. John's isn't gonna "barely" get into the tournament.
We went 10-8 in the BE, and got killed in the first round of our conference tournament. We have 11 losses. Take a look at our record vs the top 25 and tell me there's no doubt we're in.
We are not gonna barely make the tournament with our resume', RPI ranking, and the conferences RPI rating. That's not gonna happen!
Some of you either don't understand or simply can't get it through your thick skulls.
This team is a hair better than they were last year, but believe whatever makes you happy.
Let me give you some facts. Maybe, this will help you out since you can't pick up.
Their RPI is much better than it was last season. Their RPI is what killed them a season ago, as it was around #60 or #61. This year it's in the high 30's. Not to mention, the conference RPI is #2 at the moment.
It doesn't have anything to do with making me "happy." It's about common sense and being aware how the system works.
Has Lavin ever won a big east game with his own players?
Irrelevant, and nor do I give a eff. So, STFU.
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We could get the play in game.
Please!
Why is that crazy? We have 11 losses, and we just shat the bed in the BE tourney.
The play-in game is relegated to teams who barely got into the tournament. St. John's isn't gonna "barely" get into the tournament.
We went 10-8 in the BE, and got killed in the first round of our conference tournament. We have 11 losses. Take a look at our record vs the top 25 and tell me there's no doubt we're in.
We are not gonna barely make the tournament with our resume', RPI ranking, and the conferences RPI rating. That's not gonna happen!
Some of you either don't understand or simply can't get it through your thick skulls.
This team is a hair better than they were last year, but believe whatever makes you happy.
Let me give you some facts. Maybe, this will help you out since you can't pick up.
Their RPI is much better than it was last season. Their RPI is what killed them a season ago, as it was around #60 or #61. This year it's in the high 30's. Not to mention, the conference RPI is #2 at the moment.
It doesn't have anything to do with making me "happy." It's about common sense and being aware how the system works.
Has Lavin ever won a big east game with his own players?
Go to bed Baldi . Good lord
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We could get the play in game.
Please!
Why is that crazy? We have 11 losses, and we just shat the bed in the BE tourney.
The play-in game is relegated to teams who barely got into the tournament. St. John's isn't gonna "barely" get into the tournament.
We went 10-8 in the BE, and got killed in the first round of our conference tournament. We have 11 losses. Take a look at our record vs the top 25 and tell me there's no doubt we're in.
We are not gonna barely make the tournament with our resume', RPI ranking, and the conferences RPI rating. That's not gonna happen!
Some of you either don't understand or simply can't get it through your thick skulls.
This team is a hair better than they were last year, but believe whatever makes you happy.
Let me give you some facts. Maybe, this will help you out since you can't pick up.
Their RPI is much better than it was last season. Their RPI is what killed them a season ago, as it was around #60 or #61. This year it's in the high 30's. Not to mention, the conference RPI is #2 at the moment.
It doesn't have anything to do with making me "happy." It's about common sense and being aware how the system works.
Has Lavin ever won a big east game with his own players?
Go to bed Baldi . Good lord
That might be best for him.
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We could get the play in game.
Please!
Why is that crazy? We have 11 losses, and we just shat the bed in the BE tourney.
The play-in game is relegated to teams who barely got into the tournament. St. John's isn't gonna "barely" get into the tournament.
We went 10-8 in the BE, and got killed in the first round of our conference tournament. We have 11 losses. Take a look at our record vs the top 25 and tell me there's no doubt we're in.
We are not gonna barely make the tournament with our resume', RPI ranking, and the conferences RPI rating. That's not gonna happen!
Some of you either don't understand or simply can't get it through your thick skulls.
This team is a hair better than they were last year, but believe whatever makes you happy.
Let me give you some facts. Maybe, this will help you out since you can't pick up.
Their RPI is much better than it was last season. Their RPI is what killed them a season ago, as it was around #60 or #61. This year it's in the high 30's. Not to mention, the conference RPI is #2 at the moment.
It doesn't have anything to do with making me "happy." It's about common sense and being aware how the system works.
Has Lavin ever won a big east game with his own players?
Irrelevant, and nor do I give a eff. So, STFU.
Please. Going to have to to better than that
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We could get the play in game.
Please!
Why is that crazy? We have 11 losses, and we just shat the bed in the BE tourney.
The play-in game is relegated to teams who barely got into the tournament. St. John's isn't gonna "barely" get into the tournament.
We went 10-8 in the BE, and got killed in the first round of our conference tournament. We have 11 losses. Take a look at our record vs the top 25 and tell me there's no doubt we're in.
We are not gonna barely make the tournament with our resume', RPI ranking, and the conferences RPI rating. That's not gonna happen!
Some of you either don't understand or simply can't get it through your thick skulls.
This team is a hair better than they were last year, but believe whatever makes you happy.
Let me give you some facts. Maybe, this will help you out since you can't pick up.
Their RPI is much better than it was last season. Their RPI is what killed them a season ago, as it was around #60 or #61. This year it's in the high 30's. Not to mention, the conference RPI is #2 at the moment.
It doesn't have anything to do with making me "happy." It's about common sense and being aware how the system works.
Has Lavin ever won a big east game with his own players?
Irrelevant, and nor do I give a eff. So, STFU.
Please. Going to have to to better than that
I can.
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We could get the play in game.
Please!
Why is that crazy? We have 11 losses, and we just shat the bed in the BE tourney.
The play-in game is relegated to teams who barely got into the tournament. St. John's isn't gonna "barely" get into the tournament.
We went 10-8 in the BE, and got killed in the first round of our conference tournament. We have 11 losses. Take a look at our record vs the top 25 and tell me there's no doubt we're in.
We are not gonna barely make the tournament with our resume', RPI ranking, and the conferences RPI rating. That's not gonna happen!
Some of you either don't understand or simply can't get it through your thick skulls.
This team is a hair better than they were last year, but believe whatever makes you happy.
Let me give you some facts. Maybe, this will help you out since you can't pick up.
Their RPI is much better than it was last season. Their RPI is what killed them a season ago, as it was around #60 or #61. This year it's in the high 30's. Not to mention, the conference RPI is #2 at the moment.
It doesn't have anything to do with making me "happy." It's about common sense and being aware how the system works.
Has Lavin ever won a big east game with his own players?
Irrelevant, and nor do I give a eff. So, STFU.
Please. Going to have to to better than that
I can.
Zzz tough guy act is boring bro. Get better
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I see I missed a lot today...
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I see I missed a lot today...
have no fear it will play again today
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3/12/15 Bubble and Championship games
Championship:
None
Bubble:
Michigan @ Illinois (19-12) - Michigan 73 Illinois 55
Air Force @ Boise State (24-7) - Boise State 80 Air Force 68
Auburn @ Texas A&M (20-10) - Auburn 66 Texas A&M 59
Middle Tennessee @ ODU (24-6) - Middle Tennessee 59 ODU 52
USC @ UCLA (19-12) - UCLA 96 USC 70
Northwestern @ Indiana (19-12) - Indiana 71 Northwestern 56
Texas (20-12) @ Iowa State - Iowa State 69 Texas 67
Colorado @ Oregon (23-8) - Oregon 93 Colorado 85
South Carolina @ Ole Miss (20-11) - South Carolina 60 Ole Miss 58
Miami (21-11) @ Notre Dame - Notre Dame 70 Miami 63
Fresno State @ Colorado St (26-5) - Colorado State 71 Fresno St 59
Stanford (19-12) @ Utah - Utah 80 Stanford 56
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Yet another thread ruined by trolls; though this one I take personally because I spent a lot of time on this thread. To anyone who has been writing about SJU missing the tournament - assuming none of you hate SJU - there are two possible explanations. You are either trolling or you simply lack an understanding of how the NCAA tournament works. The way things played out, we may not have even dropped a seed line. A lot of teams around us lost. We should still be somewhere in the 7-9 range (I'll know more certainly once I actually go through my "bracketology" again, hopefully tonight).
Re: the actual bubble - you know, what this thread was supposed to be about - nobody seems to want to make the tournament. Of the true bubble teams, only Indiana and Boise State won. This means teams that I thought would be out with a loss, still have a chance. There will be a few teams that played poorly down the stretch that will get in by default. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
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3/13/15 Championship and Bubble Games:
Championships:
None
Bubble games:
Wyoming @ Boise State (25-7) - pretty sure Boise is in already, but I figure better to be safe than sorry.
UCLA (20-12) @ Arizona - I think UCLA needs this game. They are 2-7 vs the top 50, and 5-9 vs the top 100 with three not so great losses. The only thing going for them is just about everyone around them lost already.
Georgia (20-10) @ South Carolina - Weird profile. No top 50 wins (0-5), but 10 wins in the 51-100 range making them 10-8 vs the top 100 to go along with two pretty bad losses. Are they in already? Probably depends who you ask. To those who have them out, a win here likely doesn't change that.
George Washington (21-11) @ Rhode Island (21-8) - Both were assumed to be dead, but I think if either one makes it to the finals, they might sneak in.
Houston @ Tulsa (21-9) - Tulsa is one of those teams loving what they are seeing, but they still need to take care of business, starting with Houston.
Indiana (20-12) @ Maryland - If you ignore the way they ended the season and just look at the overall profile, Indiana should be in. A win here locks it up for sure.
Stephen F Austin (24-4) @ Northwestern St - SFA has a few top 100 wins and one bad loss. A loss in their tournament would be a second bad loss. Their per possession numbers are very solid (KP = 41), as are their RPI and BPI (42, 56). Will the committee keep them in the field with a loss? It's possible, but they should play it safe and win their tourney to avoid being in Murray State's shoes.
Richmond (19-12) @ VCU - The A10 teams that were at the bottom or off the bubble have suddenly found themselves back on. A run to the finals might get Richmond in.
Memphis @ Temple (22-9)- Temple's profile looks a little better with La Tech moving into the top 50. Still have that bad loss @ St. Joe's (bad on paper, any committee members familiar with the rivalry will realize a two point loss @ St. Joe's isn't as bad as it looks). A win against Memphis will put them above .500 against the top 100, which is always a good place to start.
La Salle @ Davidson (23-6) - I don't see the committee leaving out the regular season A-10 champion, especially with two top 50 wins and being 8-4 vs the top 100. But, let's put em on the page anyway.
*Bold means in. Bold with underline or Italics means near the bubble (underlined meaning probably on the right side of the bubble)
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We could get the play in game.
Please!
Why is that crazy? We have 11 losses, and we just shat the bed in the BE tourney.
The play-in game is relegated to teams who barely got into the tournament. St. John's isn't gonna "barely" get into the tournament.
We went 10-8 in the BE, and got killed in the first round of our conference tournament. We have 11 losses. Take a look at our record vs the top 25 and tell me there's no doubt we're in.
We are not gonna barely make the tournament with our resume', RPI ranking, and the conferences RPI rating. That's not gonna happen!
Some of you either don't understand or simply can't get it through your thick skulls.
This team is a hair better than they were last year, but believe whatever makes you happy.
Let me give you some facts. Maybe, this will help you out since you can't pick up.
Their RPI is much better than it was last season. Their RPI is what killed them a season ago, as it was around #60 or #61. This year it's in the high 30's. Not to mention, the conference RPI is #2 at the moment.
It doesn't have anything to do with making me "happy." It's about common sense and being aware how the system works.
Let me give you some facts.
St.John's is a f*cking disgrace, and if you don't see that you don't know a damn thing about basketball, and you might have blurred vision. They lost their last two by a combined score of over 50 points.
The committee looks at RPI, and do you know what they also look at? How a team is playing right now, and they should be just as disgusted as I am, and as you should be, too.
If I'm on the committee, I give us the play in game. We don't deserve any better than that, and even that is generous.
This entire conference has every right to point to us at the #1 reason why the BE isn't what it was. Not Uconn. Not Syracuse. Not Pittsburgh. Not Louisville. But, St.John's. We do not pull our weight. Not ever.
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Baldi there is a reason you bitch about Iona not getting in with a f Ing terrible resume and then you try to create board chaos by acting like the johnnies don't deserve to and will not get in with a good resume.
You keep saying your a johnnies fan but I have never met someone who demonstrates their fanship like you but demonstrates it significantly differently about the other team he roots for. Did Lavin take a dump in your coffee one day or something? Are you a johnnies fan but hate lavin so much you want us to miss out so we get a new coach and the ends justify the means (which personally is what I feel like you think as I know deep down you are a johnnies fan...but that exact kind of behavior and thinking you deemed despicable just five years ago when people were rooting against norm).
Cluess can't win the important ones either...but let me guess you like him?
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CBS bracketology updated today has us as a 7. Yes a 7. Should we trust baldi and poison that we are an 11/12 at best and firmly on bubble or someone who gets paid to f ing do this. I'll go with the latter.
I still expect 8/9 but that's not bubble either.
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CBS bracketology updated today has us as a 7. Yes a 7. Should we trust baldi and poison that we are an 11/12 at best and firmly on bubble or someone who gets paid to f ing do this. I'll go with the latter.
I still expect 8/9 but that's not bubble either.
You should not trust me that we are an 11/12 at best because that's not what I said. I think we deserve the play in game the committee has every right to ask the REAl St.John's team to stand up. I think we could go anywhere from a play in game to an 8 seed, but consider this:
In 1998, a St.John's team that had a better conference record than this one, and a good showing in the BE tourney was given a 7 seed. Has this team played as well that one?
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Can't really compare teams from 20 years ago. It was a different conference and different people on the committee. The bubble is also extremely soft this year, almost no team who was on the bubble yesterday did anything to help there case.
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CBS bracketology updated today has us as a 7. Yes a 7. Should we trust baldi and poison that we are an 11/12 at best and firmly on bubble or someone who gets paid to f ing do this. I'll go with the latter.
I still expect 8/9 but that's not bubble either.
You should not trust me that we are an 11/12 at best because that's not what I said. I think we deserve the play in game the committee has every right to ask the REAl St.John's team to stand up. I think we could go anywhere from a play in game to an 8 seed, but consider this:
In 1998, a St.John's team that had a better conference record than this one, and a good showing in the BE tourney was given a 7 seed. Has this team played as well that one?
1) the selection process has evolved significantly since then
2) impossible to compare seasons - this appears to be a year where there is an extremely weak if not basically non existent mid major at large field. Thus lots of mediocre big conf teams appear likely to get bids.
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Openly rooting against the team because of his dislike for the coach ... pathetic.
As they say with fans like these who needs enemies!!!!
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Openly rooting against the team because of his dislike for the coach ... pathetic.
As they say with fans like these who needs enemies!!!!
You should have been here for the end of the Roberts Era. It was the majority position.
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9 seed in Virginia's bracket
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even lunardi left us at the 7. looks like the 7 seed might still be possible
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Let me give you some facts.
St.John's is a f*cking disgrace, and if you don't see that you don't know a damn thing about basketball, and you might have blurred vision. They lost their last two by a combined score of over 50 points.
The committee looks at RPI, and do you know what they also look at? How a team is playing right now, and they should be just as disgusted as I am, and as you should be, too.
If I'm on the committee, I give us the play in game. We don't deserve any better than that, and even that is generous.
This entire conference has every right to point to us at the #1 reason why the BE isn't what it was. Not Uconn. Not Syracuse. Not Pittsburgh. Not Louisville. But, St.John's. We do not pull our weight. Not ever.
Bold = fact Italics = opinion Underlined = false
For a post that started with "Let me give you some facts," you didn't use many...
As I said, anyone who thinks SJU is (or even should be, really, though I guess that's an opinion) on the bubble is either trolling, or does not know how any of this works.
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Openly rooting against the team because of his dislike for the coach ... pathetic.
As they say with fans like these who needs enemies!!!!
You should have been here for the end of the Roberts Era. It was the majority position.
The glory days.
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Openly rooting against the team because of his dislike for the coach ... pathetic.
As they say with fans like these who needs enemies!!!!
You should have been here for the end of the Roberts Era. It was the majority position.
The glory days.
Thought for the day: If everybody was hating or "trolling" Roberts to be fired, does that make everyone trolls or just normal? If hating on Roberts was considered normal, does that mean everyone rooting for him would be considered a troll because they want something positive to happen to him?
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Openly rooting against the team because of his dislike for the coach ... pathetic.
As they say with fans like these who needs enemies!!!!
You should have been here for the end of the Roberts Era. It was the majority position.
The glory days.
Thought for the day: If everybody was hating or "trolling" Roberts to be fired, does that make everyone trolls or just normal? If hating on Roberts was considered normal, does that mean everyone rooting for him would be considered a troll because they want something positive to happen to him?
Way too deep for this board!
With all of the Roberts teams, we NEVER had a shot at a tourney bid. So those who were "rooting" for us to lose (I was not one of them), I think they just felt that they'd prefer be 8-24 and make the decision to get rid of him so blatantly obvious, rather than 18-14 and make the NIT and allow some idiots to convince themselves to bring him back despite no real success.
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Openly rooting against the team because of his dislike for the coach ... pathetic.
As they say with fans like these who needs enemies!!!!
You should have been here for the end of the Roberts Era. It was the majority position.
The glory days.
Thought for the day: If everybody was hating or "trolling" Roberts to be fired, does that make everyone trolls or just normal? If hating on Roberts was considered normal, does that mean everyone rooting for him would be considered a troll because they want something positive to happen to him?
It doesn't make someone a troll to have an opinion one way or the other. It is trolling when there are baseless, repetitive postings, or, more specifically, posts strictly made to get a reaction out of other people.
Troll
/trōl/
verb
gerund or present participle: trolling
1.informal
make a deliberately offensive or provocative online posting with the aim of upsetting someone or eliciting an angry response from them.
"if people are obviously trolling then I'll delete your posts and do my best to ban you"
But yea, as Kid said, we're SJU fans, not philosophizers; don't hurt our brains :P
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I doubt we get a 7. Would not be worst thing to fall to 10
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I doubt we get a 7. Would not be worst thing to fall to 10
IMO only way we get a 7 is if they try to avoid second round matchups with teams we played already. Hoping we fall to a 10.
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LSU just lost to AUBURN. Drop out of Top 50 RPI, have five sub-100 losses.
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LSU just lost to AUBURN. Drop out of Top 50 RPI, have five sub-100 losses.
Pop.
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Lunardi has 5 from the SEC getting in. I only see 2 deserved
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Lunardi has 5 from the SEC getting in. I only see 2 deserved
While I don't think Georgia is good, they have a solid profile. RPI 39, SOS 38. Kentucky and Arkansas are locks. Ole Miss and LSU are bubble teams, and at least one should not get a bid.
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Lunardi has 5 from the SEC getting in. I only see 2 deserved
While I don't think Georgia is good, they have a solid profile. RPI 39, SOS 38. Kentucky and Arkansas are locks. Ole Miss and LSU are bubble teams, and at least one should not get a bid.
Georgia 0 wins vs top 50
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Lunardi has 5 from the SEC getting in. I only see 2 deserved
While I don't think Georgia is good, they have a solid profile. RPI 39, SOS 38. Kentucky and Arkansas are locks. Ole Miss and LSU are bubble teams, and at least one should not get a bid.
Georgia 0 wins vs top 50
Great call. They are bubble too.
Given these relatively inferior resumes, why do you think St John's is in a play in game?
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Lunardi has 5 from the SEC getting in. I only see 2 deserved
While I don't think Georgia is good, they have a solid profile. RPI 39, SOS 38. Kentucky and Arkansas are locks. Ole Miss and LSU are bubble teams, and at least one should not get a bid.
Georgia 0 wins vs top 50
Great call. They are bubble too.
Given these relatively inferior resumes, why do you think St John's is in a play in game?
Pooped the bed down the stretch
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Lunardi has now removed Richmond and replaced them with Buffalo. Iona remains in the 3rd position of the next 4 out.
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Would like to see Arizona and Maryland take care of business today
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Lunardi has 5 from the SEC getting in. I only see 2 deserved
While I don't think Georgia is good, they have a solid profile. RPI 39, SOS 38. Kentucky and Arkansas are locks. Ole Miss and LSU are bubble teams, and at least one should not get a bid.
Georgia 0 wins vs top 50
Great call. They are bubble too.
Given these relatively inferior resumes, why do you think St John's is in a play in game?
Pooped the bed down the stretch
That doesn't seem terribly objective. I doubt the committee will view it that way. Losing @ Nova (RPI 3) and to PC in the BET (RPI 21, SOS 5. beat them twice already) after ripping through February is not that bad.
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Lunardi has 5 from the SEC getting in. I only see 2 deserved
While I don't think Georgia is good, they have a solid profile. RPI 39, SOS 38. Kentucky and Arkansas are locks. Ole Miss and LSU are bubble teams, and at least one should not get a bid.
Georgia 0 wins vs top 50
Great call. They are bubble too.
Given these relatively inferior resumes, why do you think St John's is in a play in game?
Pooped the bed down the stretch
That doesn't seem terribly objective. I doubt the committee will view it that way. Losing @ Nova (RPI 3) and to PC in the BET (RPI 21, SOS 5. beat them twice already) after ripping through February is not that bad.
Just my opinion, but I think the committee appreciates good play to finish the year. Not thumpings.
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Lunardi has 5 from the SEC getting in. I only see 2 deserved
While I don't think Georgia is good, they have a solid profile. RPI 39, SOS 38. Kentucky and Arkansas are locks. Ole Miss and LSU are bubble teams, and at least one should not get a bid.
Georgia 0 wins vs top 50
Great call. They are bubble too.
Given these relatively inferior resumes, why do you think St John's is in a play in game?
Pooped the bed down the stretch
That doesn't seem terribly objective. I doubt the committee will view it that way. Losing @ Nova (RPI 3) and to PC in the BET (RPI 21, SOS 5. beat them twice already) after ripping through February is not that bad.
Just my opinion, but I think the committee appreciates good play to finish the year. Not thumpings.
So are you saying that two losses to top 21 teams, including a road loss to a likely 1 seed, to close the season will put a team like Georgia higher on the S-Curve than SJU? I understand your perspective but it really is not logical given bottom end of the at large contenders.
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Lunardi has 5 from the SEC getting in. I only see 2 deserved
While I don't think Georgia is good, they have a solid profile. RPI 39, SOS 38. Kentucky and Arkansas are locks. Ole Miss and LSU are bubble teams, and at least one should not get a bid.
Georgia 0 wins vs top 50
Great call. They are bubble too.
Given these relatively inferior resumes, why do you think St John's is in a play in game?
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Lunardi has 5 from the SEC getting in. I only see 2 deserved
While I don't think Georgia is good, they have a solid profile. RPI 39, SOS 38. Kentucky and Arkansas are locks. Ole Miss and LSU are bubble teams, and at least one should not get a bid.
Georgia 0 wins vs top 50
Great call. They are bubble too.
Given these relatively inferior resumes, why do you think St John's is in a play in game?
Pooped the bed down the stretch
That doesn't seem terribly objective. I doubt the committee will view it that way. Losing @ Nova (RPI 3) and to PC in the BET (RPI 21, SOS 5. beat them twice already) after ripping through February is not that bad.
Just my opinion, but I think the committee appreciates good play to finish the year. Not thumpings.
So are you saying that two losses to top 21 teams, including a road loss to a likely 1 seed, to close the season will put a team like Georgia higher on the S-Curve than SJU? I understand your perspective but it really is not logical given bottom end of the at large contenders.
I don't think Georgia deserves a bid. As for the 2 losses, it wasn't even close, poor showing. Again, just my opinion
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Lunardi has 5 from the SEC getting in. I only see 2 deserved
While I don't think Georgia is good, they have a solid profile. RPI 39, SOS 38. Kentucky and Arkansas are locks. Ole Miss and LSU are bubble teams, and at least one should not get a bid.
Georgia 0 wins vs top 50
Great call. They are bubble too.
Given these relatively inferior resumes, why do you think St John's is in a play in game?
Pooped the bed down the stretch
That doesn't seem terribly objective. I doubt the committee will view it that way. Losing @ Nova (RPI 3) and to PC in the BET (RPI 21, SOS 5. beat them twice already) after ripping through February is not that bad.
Just my opinion, but I think the committee appreciates good play to finish the year. Not thumpings.
So are you saying that two losses to top 21 teams, including a road loss to a likely 1 seed, to close the season will put a team like Georgia higher on the S-Curve than SJU? I understand your perspective but it really is not logical given bottom end of the at large contenders.
I don't think Georgia deserves a bid. As for the 2 losses, it wasn't even close, poor showing. Again, just my opinion
Of this group of 21 teams fighting for ~15 at large bids, who do you think deserves to dance:
St. John's, Oregon, NC State, Dayton, LSU, Georgia, Colorado State, OK State, Boise State, Texas, Purdue, Temple, Ole Miss, Indiana, BYU, UCLA, Texas A&M, Old Dominion, Miami, Tulsa, Richmond
By the numbers (RPI, SOS, KenPom, top 50/100 wins), SJU has at worst a top 10 resume in this group.
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SJU, Dayton,Purdue, BYU, Temple,Ok st should be in. Rest have work to do I would think
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Down goes Indiana
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La Tech just lost to UAB. Lunardi had them a 13
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Baldi I ain't defending how we played the last two games but based on the numbers and what the experts are saying we are probably a 7, at worst 8-10.
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Baldi I ain't defending how we played the last two games but based on the numbers and what the experts are saying we are probably a 7, at worst 8-10.
I think more like 11
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Baldi I ain't defending how we played the last two games but based on the numbers and what the experts are saying we are probably a 7, at worst 8-10.
I think more like 11
That's where you think we'll end up? Or that's where you'd put us?
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3/13/15 Championship and Bubble Games:
Championships:
None
Bubble games:
Wyoming @ Boise State (25-7) - Wyoming 71 Boise State 66
UCLA (20-12) @ Arizona - Arizona 70 UCLA 64
Georgia (20-10) @ South Carolina - Georgia 74 South Carolina 62
George Washington (21-11) @ Rhode Island (21-8) - Rhode Island 71 GW 58
Houston @ Tulsa (21-9) - Tulsa 59 Houston 51
Indiana (20-12) @ Maryland - Maryland 75 Indiana 69
Stephen F Austin (24-4) @ Northwestern St - SFA 91 Northwestern St 79
Richmond (19-12) @ VCU - VCU 70 Richmond 67
Memphis @ Temple (22-9)- Temple 80 Memphis 75
La Salle @ Davidson (23-6) - Davidson 67 Lasalle 66
*Bold means in. Bold with underline or Italics means near the bubble (underlined meaning probably on the right side of the bubble)
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Baldi I ain't defending how we played the last two games but based on the numbers and what the experts are saying we are probably a 7, at worst 8-10.
I think more like 11
That's where you think we'll end up? Or that's where you'd put us?
Both
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I mean if that's where you'd put us, that's fine, you're entitled to your opinion. But I assure you our profiles are easily ahead of the 10 and 11 seeded teams. I can't see our true seed being lower than a 9 (could get dropped to a 10 for geography purposes and whatnot). I think 8 is most likely. I guess we'll find out soon enough!
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Massielo just schooled Jesse Kramer on the Twitter. Kramer made a comment on scheduling
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Boise St just lost. I think they steal Bid anyway
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Nova going to be the 2nd 1 seed and get east bracket? With both Duke and Virginia losses
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Boise St just lost. I think they steal Bid anyway
I would give them a 4 seed. In the NIT. Lost respect for anyone that voted them into the top 25. They have no place there, yet.
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Palm has us as a 7 seed playing Purdue, then, possibly Gonzaga with a win...
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Palm has us as a 7 seed playing Purdue, then, possibly Gonzaga with a win...
I'd sign up for that.
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Connecticut is gonna win the American.
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SJU, Dayton,Purdue, BYU, Temple,Ok st should be in. Rest have work to do I would think
NC State is a lock with wins over Duke, Lou, and NC
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What happens if X beatsNova tonite? Are we still in?
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What happens if X beatsNova tonite? Are we still in?
Definitely still in. I think that might be a good thing for the johnnies. That win might put Xavier's rpi into the top 25. Then the johnnies would have 5 top 25 wins (assuming gtown and pc both stay in the top 25 with their losses).
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Nova going to be the 2nd 1 seed and get east bracket? With both Duke and Virginia losses
I was thinking that. Some people already had them there. Might still go to Virginia. All three of their losses were to top 20 teams.
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3/14/15 - Championship and Bubble Games
Championships:
America East: Stony Brook @ Albany -
MEAC: Hampton @ Delaware State -
C-USA: Middle Tennessee @ UAB -
Ivy playoff: Harvard @ Yale -
Big 12: Iowa State @ Kansas -
MWC: Wyoming @ SD State -
MAC: Buffalo @ Central Michigan -
Big East: Xavier @ Villanova -
ACC: UNC @ Notre Dame -
Big Sky: E Washington @ Montana -
Southland: Sam Houston @ Stephen F Austin -
PAC 12: Oregon @ Arizona -
WAC: Seattle U @ New Mexico St -
Big West: Hawaii @ UC Irvinge -
Potential Bid Thieves: Wyoming, possibly Sam Houston
Bubble games:
Georgia (21-10) @ Arkansas - I think Georgia is in, but, I'll put em here just in case
Rhode Island (22-8) @ Dayton - I erroneously left them off my bracketology, but a win here and they might be in.
UConn (19-13) @ Tulsa (22-9) - I think I'm starting to hate the AAC more than the ACC. Is that weird?
Sam Houston @ Stephen F Austin (28-4) - I think the committee might put em in with a loss...all bubble teams should be rooting hard for SFA
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Turns out the SWAC final is meaningless. Southern is on probation, so Texas Southern has already earned the bid, regardless of the outcome. Congratulations to Texas Southern (they're the ones who beat Michigan State at MSU).
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Palm has us as a 7 seed playing Purdue, then, possibly Gonzaga with a win...
7-10 is a crapshoot and trying to figure out how we might play against anyone could make you dizzy but doesn't Purdue play two 7 foot guys? That could be a....bit of a problem for us
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What happens if X beatsNova tonite? Are we still in?
Definitely still in. I think that might be a good thing for the johnnies. That win might put Xavier's rpi into the top 25. Then the johnnies would have 5 top 25 wins (assuming gtown and pc both stay in the top 25 with their losses).
Not so sure, that would mean BE gets six bids. X closes on a hot streak and we get blown out in our last two, committee looks at that. I'll be more comfortable if Nova kills tonite.
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What happens if X beatsNova tonite? Are we still in?
Definitely still in. I think that might be a good thing for the johnnies. That win might put Xavier's rpi into the top 25. Then the johnnies would have 5 top 25 wins (assuming gtown and pc both stay in the top 25 with their losses).
Not so sure, that would mean BE gets six bids. X closes on a hot streak and we get blown out in our last two, committee looks at that. I'll be more comfortable if Nova kills tonite.
I understand the last two St.Johns games were bad...but you have to look at their whole resume and compare it to other teams in the 8 - 12 seed talk. They are in, it's just a matter of seeding.
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I think the committee used to look at end of year trend, but now the policy is a win is a win...early or late.
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NCAA GRUDGE MATCH.. St John's vs................. Robert MORRIS..
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http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/do-conference-tournament-surprises-carry-over-into-the-ncaa-bracket/
Nate Silver and team basically conclude that there isn't a strong correlation between conference tournament momentum and success in the NCAA tournament.
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What happens if X beatsNova tonite? Are we still in?
We're in. Relax. It's all about seeding now.
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What happens if X beatsNova tonite? Are we still in?
We're in. Relax. It's all about seeding now.
Been looking at all the experts brackets. Most have us 7-9. Absolute worst case scenario is a 10. We can relax. If we were to not get in it would be the biggest selection sunday surprise in my lifetime.
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Baldi if you don't think that beating 3 other tourney teams 5 out of 7 times means anything, than you must think 3/4 of the field doesn't belong or is on the bubble.
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If UConn wins their tourny, what seed do they get?
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No idea. Don't know what their overall numbers look like, except that on balance the conference is not good and has a low RPI I believe.
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So now it doesn't matter how you play in the conference tourny, it only matters regular season? Which is it?
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So now it doesn't matter how you play in the conference tourny, it only matters regular season? Which is it?
It's both, Baldi. Body of work.
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Of course. Why Providence was an 11 last year despite running the table in the conf tourney. League was weaker overall as was their resume.
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If UConn wins their tourny, what seed do they get?
I would assume similar to Providence's 11 seed last year.
Also Xavier was in before they made their run to the BET Finals.
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Of course. Why Providence was an 11 last year despite running the table in the conf tourney. League was weaker overall as was their resume.
That's a good point. The BE had a strong showing in the pre season this year. Last year, they didn't.
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The conference is viewed in a much, much better light this year. And that is showing in how the various teams are being projected. Last year 21 might not have gotten us in (or we would have been one of the last 4). The Lunardi's of the world said we were lock city once we beat Gtown two Saturday's ago, forget about adding the extra win with Marquette. Those who are questioning this are either being paranoid because of the last two showings (understandable) or simply stirring the pot to get reactions (which I don't, and never will, understand).
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Stiring the pot is way to nice. He is intentionally trying to annoy people.
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If UConn wins their tourny, what seed do they get?
Probably a 12. If they win the conf tournament they wind up with an RPI in the low 60s with a SOS in the 50s. That's likely a worse resume than the first four out.
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VCU wins the A10 tomorrow, any guesses on their seed?
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VCU wins the A10 tomorrow, any guesses on their seed?
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If UConn wins their tourny, what seed do they get?
I'm thinking 12/13ish
VCU wins the A10 tomorrow, any guesses on their seed?
6ish? computer numbers are great, so possibly a 5? Just as easily a 7. The more I think about these things the more I'm leaning towards answering everything with either "I don't know" or "Somewhere between 1 and 16." :P
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What happens if X beatsNova tonite? Are we still in?
We beat X-men twice. Moves us up to a 6 seed. Call it a reverse Baldi.
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So now it doesn't matter how you play in the conference tourny, it only matters regular season? Which is it?
I heard the a guy on the committee say a conference tourny game figures in the same as a regular season game. Only difference is Providence would be a BE neutral court loss. We went 10-9 in conference. They just lump all games together and look at whatever it is they call bad loses , top 50 wins, top 100 loses and make whatever mess of it they want. Yes we finished up with 2 loses but also went 7-4 or 3-2 down the stretch which kinda takes the stink off. We had a bunch of top 50 wins, and I can only think of 2 bad loses and 3 if you wanna count the Hall, all on the road. Butler maybe the worst home loss. I might have messed something up, but I don't think record looks to bad.
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VCU wins the A10 tomorrow, any guesses on their seed?
I'd give them a 10 seed.
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Wyoming beats San Diego State and just like that the bubble shrinks...
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I hate Uconn
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3/14/15 - Championship and Bubble Games
Championships:
America East: Stony Brook @ Albany - Albany 51 Stony Brook 50
MEAC: Hampton @ Delaware State - Hampton 82 Delaware St 61
C-USA: Middle Tennessee @ UAB - UAB 73 Middle Tennessee 60
Ivy playoff: Harvard @ Yale - Harvard 53 Yale 51
Big 12: Iowa State @ Kansas - Iowa State 70 Kansas 66
MWC: Wyoming @ SD State - Wyoming 45 San Diego St 43
MAC: Buffalo @ Central Michigan - Buffalo 89 Central Michigan 84
Big East: Xavier @ Villanova - Villanova 69 Xavier 52
ACC: UNC @ Notre Dame - Notre Dame 90 UNC 82
Big Sky: E Washington @ Montana - E Washington 69 Montana 65
Southland: Sam Houston @ Stephen F Austin - SFA 83 Sam Houston 70
PAC 12: Oregon @ Arizona - Arizona 80 Oregon 52
WAC: Seattle U @ New Mexico St - New Mexico St 80 Seattle 61
Big West: Hawaii @ UC Irvinge - UC Irvine 67 Hawaii 58
Successful Bid Thieves: Wyoming
Bubble games:
Georgia (21-10) @ Arkansas - Arkansas 60 Georgia 49
Rhode Island (22-8) @ Dayton - Dayton 56 URI 52
UConn (19-13) @ Tulsa (22-9) - Connecticut 47 Tulsa 42
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My Final Bubble Predicitons:
The Last Four Byes will be: Ohio State, Colorado State, Temple, Purdue
The Last Four In will be: Georgia, UConn, LSU, Boise St. (UCONN moves up and Purdue slides down with a UConn win)
The First Four Out will be: Ole Miss, Tulsa, Miami, and BYU (They will be your 1 seeds in the NIT)
The Next Four Out: Illinois, Texas A&M, Richmond, UCLA
*obviously this will all be wrong, and I will have wasted many hours of my life.
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My Final Bubble Predicitons:
The Last Four Byes will be: Ohio State, Colorado State, Temple, Purdue
The Last Four In will be: Georgia, UConn, LSU, Boise St. (UCONN moves up and Purdue slides down with a UConn win)
The First Four Out will be: Ole Miss, Tulsa, Miami, and BYU (They will be your 1 seeds in the NIT)
The Next Four Out: Illinois, Texas A&M, Richmond, UCLA
*obviously this will all be wrong, and I will have wasted many hours of my life.
Great work the last few weeks Logan, much appreciated
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http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
I don't know if it's jsut on my browser but there's no St. John's in this update. Obviously just an oversight but I was like wtf
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Lunardi has Indiana out (I have them as a 9). He has BYU as a 10 (I have them out). He has UConn as next four out (I have them as an 11). The other difference is I have Ole miss as my first team out, he has them as his last team in (pretty darn close on that one).
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http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
I don't know if it's jsut on my browser but there's no St. John's in this update. Obviously just an oversight but I was like wtf
He has St. Francis instead of St. John's as a 9 seed, lol. I saw that too. Clearly a typo...or he's listening to Baldi :P
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Yes that is supposed to be St John's against VCU. If you read the accompanying article it has the 6 BE teams all comfortably in.
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Yes that is supposed to be St John's against VCU. If you read the accompanying article it has the 6 BE teams all comfortably in.
As I've posted before, I want no part of VCU. They will cause all sorts of problems for our guards
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Yes that is supposed to be St John's against VCU. If you read the accompanying article it has the 6 BE teams all comfortably in.
As I've posted before, I want no part of VCU. They will cause all sorts of problems for our guards
But you would give SJU the coaching edge I assume. :)
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Yes that is supposed to be St John's against VCU. If you read the accompanying article it has the 6 BE teams all comfortably in.
As I've posted before, I want no part of VCU. They will cause all sorts of problems for our guards
But you would give SJU the coaching edge I assume. :)
. That's a 1 vs a 16 there
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I agree re: the coaching comment. Not sure how that would play out Baldi. On a good day our guards can play well with spacing and room to work. An up and down game would benefit guys like Pointer and Branch who struggle more against man to man in the half court, and I don't think VCU has much of a low post/interior scoring presence (they have a big guy who gets boards/blocks shots, but isn't really a post and score guy).
It's funny because in the past teams would zone us to control our quickness/athleticism. This year, we went through a stretch where teams zoning us played in our favor because Phil/D-lo/Sheed were all hitting 3's at a good slip and Dom did well at the high post.
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“@Barnett_3: @ESPNLunardi what's Murray States realistic chance?” Close to zero.
2:25pm - 15 Mar 15
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Logan-lunardi has a class at st. Joes on brackettology . I think it's one credtit. You don't have to be a st. Joes student to take it. I think you would really like it. I saw him at the St. John's villinova game 4 years ago. He is a very nice guy. He spent 10 minutes talking to me.
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Wow with Obepka gone do we even get in now. Andy Katz tweeted this will effect us with the committee
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Wow with Obepka gone do we even get in now. Andy Katz tweeted this will effect us with the committee
Seth Davis said it wouldn't. Folks, it's late in the process room. I doubt it changes much of anything.
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We are still in. On a larger scale, this is more of an indictment of the Lavin era, as it is part for the course post 2011. And it also darkens what was supposed to be a fun day for all of us, because as flawed as this team is, we could talk ourselves into winning a game or two with the right matchups, the guards playing well, Pointer and Obeka causing havoc against teams with lesser interior players, etc, etc. We will all still watch and of course root, but this hurts. And it casts even more doubt on whether the right guy is leading this ship.
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I jut herd its Dayton for sure. Book those flights now
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Wow with Obepka gone do we even get in now. Andy Katz tweeted this will effect us with the committee
Seth Davis said it wouldn't. Folks, it's late in the process room. I doubt it changes much of anything.
Then you are just disregarding history
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I jut herd its Dayton for sure. Book those flights now
You know its bad when I believe Baldi 100%
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Have reached the "Who cares anymore" phase of my SJU rooting life. Black cloud! :)
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Have reached the "Who cares anymore" phase of my SJU rooting life. Black cloud! :)
I hit that phase 15 years ago.
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Last Four Byes: Indiana, Colorado St, Georgia, Temple
Last Four In: Purdue, LSU, UConn, Boise St
First Four Out: Ole Miss, BYU, Miami, Tulsa
Next Four Out: A&M, UCLA, Richmond, Illinois
Also Considered: ODU, URI, Murray State
These are my real final bubble predictions, ignore the previous ones. I'm pretty sure I'll be wrong on BYU.