6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: Amaseinyourface2 on October 29, 2014, 07:31:28 PM
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C - 6'10 220
F- 6-8 195
F -6'7 205
G- 6'0 175
G - 6'1 175
Thats the starting 5 for last years uconn NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP team. And we are worried that our size up front will limit us from making the dance? Take a step back. We have a legitimate starting center, two really big guards who are fantastic rebounders for their position, a senior SF, and 3 other guys who though may lack experience do not, in the least bit, lack size. Not to mention two more senior guards.
C- 6'10 236
F- 6'6 192
G - 6'4 20
G- 6'2 187
G - 6'4 193
Put in either Jones or Amar at the 4 and we are bigger than what they rolled out.
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Talent wise the same? UCONN has had a track record of success, SJU has not. If we were in be tournament last season or the program under Lavin has stabilized, I would back off from the cliff. As of right now this just seems like more dark clouds coming to SJU basketball. I am hoping to have egg on my face in March and say I overreacted....
There are just too many things that consistently happen to this program, that is drama and weird.
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Talent wise the same? UCONN has had a track record of success, SJU has not. If we were in be tournament last season or the program under Lavin has stabilized, I would back off from the cliff. As of right now this just seems like more dark clouds coming to SJU basketball. I am hoping to have egg on my face in March and say I overreacted....
There are just too many things that consistently happen to this program, that is drama and weird.
Talent is not the issue people are having with the roster. The size up front is.
And besides that, no, I dont think Phil Nolan and Niels GIffey are more talented than Jones and Pointer.
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Talent wise the same? UCONN has had a track record of success, SJU has not. If we were in be tournament last season or the program under Lavin has stabilized, I would back off from the cliff. As of right now this just seems like more dark clouds coming to SJU basketball. I am hoping to have egg on my face in March and say I overreacted....
There are just too many things that consistently happen to this program, that is drama and weird.
Talent is not the issue people are having with the roster. The size up front is.
Talent can make up for size and in a one and done tournament teams UCONN was getting pounded in a 7 game series, the wear and tear is not as bad. Some luck helps too. SJU just continues to be unlucky...
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THe only thing that will change our luck is to bring back Louie. Get him a recliner and sit him next to Keady. We need him in the timeout huddles being as hyper as possible given his age.
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C - 6'10 220
F- 6-8 195
F -6'7 205
G- 6'0 175
G - 6'1 175
Thats the starting 5 for last years uconn NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP team. And we are worried that our size up front will limit us from making the dance? Take a step back. We have a legitimate starting center, two really big guards who are fantastic rebounders for their position, a senior SF, and 3 other guys who though may lack experience do not, in the least bit, lack size. Not to mention two more senior guards.
C- 6'10 236
F- 6'6 192
G - 6'4 20
G- 6'2 187
G - 6'4 193
Put in either Jones or Amar at the 4 and we are bigger than what they rolled out.
Huh? if anything this shows you do need size up front 6'10, 6'8, 6'7 is a big difference from 6'10, 6'6, 6'4.
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C - 6'10 220
F- 6-8 195
F -6'7 205
G- 6'0 175
G - 6'1 175
Thats the starting 5 for last years uconn NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP team. And we are worried that our size up front will limit us from making the dance? Take a step back. We have a legitimate starting center, two really big guards who are fantastic rebounders for their position, a senior SF, and 3 other guys who though may lack experience do not, in the least bit, lack size. Not to mention two more senior guards.
C- 6'10 236
F- 6'6 192
G - 6'4 20
G- 6'2 187
G - 6'4 193
Put in either Jones or Amar at the 4 and we are bigger than what they rolled out.
Huh? if anything this shows you do need size up front 6'10, 6'8, 6'7 is a big difference from 6'10, 6'6, 6'4.
I used the line up if we had pointer at the 4. Not my favorite lineup. If its Jones than we are just as big. Really bigger when you consider, Nolan, Giffey, and Daniels were twigs, plus our guards are much bigger.
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C - 6'10 220
F- 6-8 195
F -6'7 205
G- 6'0 175
G - 6'1 175
Thats the starting 5 for last years uconn NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP team. And we are worried that our size up front will limit us from making the dance? Take a step back. We have a legitimate starting center, two really big guards who are fantastic rebounders for their position, a senior SF, and 3 other guys who though may lack experience do not, in the least bit, lack size. Not to mention two more senior guards.
C- 6'10 236
F- 6'6 192
G - 6'4 20
G- 6'2 187
G - 6'4 193
Put in either Jones or Amar at the 4 and we are bigger than what they rolled out.
Huh? if anything this shows you do need size up front 6'10, 6'8, 6'7 is a big difference from 6'10, 6'6, 6'4.
I used the line up if we had pointer at the 4. Not my favorite lineup. If its Jones than we are just as big. Really bigger when you consider, Nolan, Giffey, and Daniels were twigs, plus our guards are much bigger.
Can't measure toughness.
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I still think there's a big difference between 6'10, 6'8, 6'7, 6'0, 6'1 and 6'10, 6'7, 6'4, 6'2, 6'4.
Being 6'7 at the 3 is a big difference than 6'4 and since you're most likely going to see pointer at the 4 anyway it doesn't really matter.
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It would have been nice to have someone to rebound, and it would have been nice to have some frontcourt depth, and pointer is nowhere near the offensive threat of sampson, but I think the starting 5 with pointer at the 4 is fine. With decent coaching I could see it being top 3 in the big east and winning a tournament game. So we'll have to see if the coaching is decent
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Don't panic, don't panic. We just getting started don't panic.
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This year will hinge on the play of Jordan and Obepka, that hasn't changed. We have a great back court, If AA and Jones can provide quality minutes and contribute off the bench we will be fine. We will go as far as the back court and the big man can take us, we aren't much worse off then a few days ago. Let's see how the team plays before we freak out, Thomas never played one Big East game not like we lost an all league player.
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At it's core, this team is terrific. Dee and Sheed are amongst the best 100 players in the country this year, Obekpa will possibly be on the fringe of that season's end. Bottom line, the frontline depth took a hit, but I truly think that this unit can withstand it.
What people are sleeping on is the overall maturity and experience that our guards have. Harrison and Greene are ready to lead, they are going to be the captains by example. They are a cohesive and determined unit. One game wasn't played against an opponent with Keith to measure themselves and truly know what they're missing. The timing of his expulsion is huge for the psyche, if this were to happen in mid-December there would be reason to panic.
These guys have been in the gym working on their games all summer long. Measurable improvement will be seen throughout a roster that produced 20 wins last season, that's exciting. We have added 2 physical 7 footers and 2 redshirts that have been in this program for 3 years to our core.
This week is now in the past, practice has continued, drills and sets are still being designed. The staff still has a generous amount of time for to form an identity, renew chemistry, and amplify intensity before the NIT test. This is still the offseason!
Bring on Minnesota, bring on Gonzaga, I'm ready to go to war with this unit. One week ago, a BE regular season and conference title was the goal at media day. A JUCO PF that hadn't played one D1 game shouldn't change that for these players or anyone else.
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I mean I'm disappointed in both Keith who seemed like a decent kid at the open practice and the staff but I still like our chances this season. I believe in these kids.
I'll allow you all to first guess me.
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At it's core, this team is terrific. Dee and Sheed are amongst the best 100 players in the country this year, Obekpa will possibly be on the fringe of that season's end. Bottom line, the frontline depth took a hit, but I truly think that this unit can withstand it.
What people are sleeping on is the overall maturity and experience that our guards have. Harrison and Greene are ready to lead, they are going to be the captains by example. They are a cohesive and determined unit. One game wasn't played against an opponent with Keith to measure themselves and truly know what they're missing. The timing of his expulsion is huge for the psyche, if this were to happen in mid-December there would be reason to panic.
These guys have been in the gym working on their games all summer long. Measurable improvement will be seen throughout a roster that produced 20 wins last season, that's exciting. We have added 2 physical 7 footers and 2 redshirts that have been in this program for 3 years to our core.
This week is now in the past, practice has continued, drills and sets are still being designed. The staff still has a generous amount of time for to form an identity, renew chemistry, and amplify intensity before the NIT test. This is still the offseason!
Bring on Minnesota, bring on Gonzaga, I'm ready to go to war with this unit. One week ago, a BE regular season and conference title was the goal at media day. A JUCO PF that hadn't played one D1 game shouldn't change that for these players or anyone else.
I hope your right. But you forgot to mention we lost Sanchez,Gift and Sampson from last year.
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At it's core, this team is terrific. Dee and Sheed are amongst the best 100 players in the country this year, Obekpa will possibly be on the fringe of that season's end. Bottom line, the frontline depth took a hit, but I truly think that this unit can withstand it.
What people are sleeping on is the overall maturity and experience that our guards have. Harrison and Greene are ready to lead, they are going to be the captains by example. They are a cohesive and determined unit. One game wasn't played against an opponent with Keith to measure themselves and truly know what they're missing. The timing of his expulsion is huge for the psyche, if this were to happen in mid-December there would be reason to panic.
These guys have been in the gym working on their games all summer long. Measurable improvement will be seen throughout a roster that produced 20 wins last season, that's exciting. We have added 2 physical 7 footers and 2 redshirts that have been in this program for 3 years to our core.
This week is now in the past, practice has continued, drills and sets are still being designed. The staff still has a generous amount of time for to form an identity, renew chemistry, and amplify intensity before the NIT test. This is still the offseason!
Bring on Minnesota, bring on Gonzaga, I'm ready to go to war with this unit. One week ago, a BE regular season and conference title was the goal at media day. A JUCO PF that hadn't played one D1 game shouldn't change that for these players or anyone else.
You should really write the press releases for this team. Oh wait,... ;)
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What does wagering huge amounts to show on odds-on favorites have to do with Sju basketball?
Good luck in Breeders cup all.
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They are a cohesive and determined unit.
Seven months ago the same core, at present missing an Nba player mind you, was a no show in the BE and NIT tournaments. Now they've miraculously morphed into a "cohesive and determined unit"? That would be something.
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At it's core, this team is terrific. Dee and Sheed are amongst the best 100 players in the country this year, Obekpa will possibly be on the fringe of that season's end. Bottom line, the frontline depth took a hit, but I truly think that this unit can withstand it.
What people are sleeping on is the overall maturity and experience that our guards have. Harrison and Greene are ready to lead, they are going to be the captains by example. They are a cohesive and determined unit. One game wasn't played against an opponent with Keith to measure themselves and truly know what they're missing. The timing of his expulsion is huge for the psyche, if this were to happen in mid-December there would be reason to panic.
These guys have been in the gym working on their games all summer long. Measurable improvement will be seen throughout a roster that produced 20 wins last season, that's exciting. We have added 2 physical 7 footers and 2 redshirts that have been in this program for 3 years to our core.
This week is now in the past, practice has continued, drills and sets are still being designed. The staff still has a generous amount of time for to form an identity, renew chemistry, and amplify intensity before the NIT test. This is still the offseason!
Bring on Minnesota, bring on Gonzaga, I'm ready to go to war with this unit. One week ago, a BE regular season and conference title was the goal at media day. A JUCO PF that hadn't played one D1 game shouldn't change that for these players or anyone else.
I don't think Thomas was going to be Ben Wallace, but St.John's has put this team at noticeable disadvantage before we've even played a game. They can blame it on WCC, Thomas or the coach that fired, but when it keeps happening, it's time to take a look in the mirror.
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Doomed...
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far from doomed. Our backcourt is probably in the top 3 in the country and is incredibly deep. If the frontcourt can rebound effectively, score a little, play good D (which is as much about effort and smarts as talent) we will be fine. I see SJU getting in the torney. There are reasons to be optimistic, torney is usually guard dominated.
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I take these rankings with a grain of salt but we didn't even get 1 vote in the preseason poll. I know that doesn't have any real meaning except for the fact that this team is a complete afterthought around the country. Let see what happens but top three backcourt is a super stretch. They have done nothing to deserve that type of praise. I'm all for optimism but I wouldn't raise with this hand before the flop.
This team needs to work hard and play together as a unit which it has yet to do in the 3 years they've been here. Who is a leader on this team? D'Lo? He has pouted every year. Greene? He is a loose cannon. Rysheed could be but after the RM game I hoped he matured. CO he had a foot out the door.
It was the biggest reason we have disappointed. Talent gets you so far. This team is not a team, Let's see what happens after their first bad loss, Let alone their first losing streak.
Right now Granderson has the least strikeouts in the league. Preseason is the best time of year.
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far from doomed. Our backcourt is probably in the top 3 in the country and is incredibly deep. If the frontcourt can rebound effectively, score a little, play good D (which is as much about effort and smarts as talent) we will be fine. I see SJU getting in the torney. There are reasons to be optimistic, torney is usually guard dominated.
Top 3 in the country?
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Sure....Dlo is a great scorer, shooter, FT machine...knows how to draw fouls. (maturity re keeping his temper...head on straight...is only issue) Sheed has all the tools, strength, passing ability, goes strong to hoop....only question is the jumper but he showed great improvement last year. Both have good size and can play some D. (I am the eternal optimist)
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far from doomed. Our backcourt is probably in the top 3 in the country and is incredibly deep. If the frontcourt can rebound effectively, score a little, play good D (which is as much about effort and smarts as talent) we will be fine. I see SJU getting in the torney. There are reasons to be optimistic, torney is usually guard dominated.
We had that exact same backcourt last season, only now our front court is weaker. How does that equal more success?
And fwiw our backcourt isn't top 3. Kentucky alone has 2 pairs of guards better than ours, plus Duke, plus Villanova, Gonzaga etc
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A 5-0 November is attainable, let's just start off here.
NJIT/Franklin Pierce-Locks
LIU-BK is now very young. The core that went to 3 consecutive NCAAs graduated.
Minnesota-Ricky Jr. will be humbled.
Gonzaga-Big test, I think that we'll protect our home court with a bang and start the season off with it's first trophy. 2011 revenge.
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What
They are a cohesive and determined unit.
Seven months ago the same core, at present missing an Nba player mind you, was a no show in the BE and NIT tournaments. Now they've miraculously morphed into a "cohesive and determined unit"? That would be something.
What Nba player did we lose?
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WhatThey are a cohesive and determined unit.
Seven months ago the same core, at present missing an Nba player mind you, was a no show in the BE and NIT tournaments. Now they've miraculously morphed into a "cohesive and determined unit"? That would be something.
What Nba player did we lose?
Sampson
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far from doomed. Our backcourt is probably in the top 3 in the country and is incredibly deep. If the frontcourt can rebound effectively, score a little, play good D (which is as much about effort and smarts as talent) we will be fine. I see SJU getting in the torney. There are reasons to be optimistic, torney is usually guard dominated.
We had that exact same backcourt last season, only now our front court is weaker. How does that equal more success?
And fwiw our backcourt isn't top 3. Kentucky alone has 2 pairs of guards better than ours, plus Duke, plus Villanova, Gonzaga etc
If Jordan has matured from last year, then the backcourt will be better.
No way near top 3 though. A top 3 backcourt would make the Elite 8 with me, Desco and Marillic playing in the front court.
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far from doomed. Our backcourt is probably in the top 3 in the country and is incredibly deep. If the frontcourt can rebound effectively, score a little, play good D (which is as much about effort and smarts as talent) we will be fine. I see SJU getting in the torney. There are reasons to be optimistic, torney is usually guard dominated.
We had that exact same backcourt last season, only now our front court is weaker. How does that equal more success?
And fwiw our backcourt isn't top 3. Kentucky alone has 2 pairs of guards better than ours, plus Duke, plus Villanova, Gonzaga etc
If Jordan has matured from last year, then the backcourt will be better.
No way near top 3 though. A top 3 backcourt would make the Elite 8 with me, Desco and Marillic playing in the front court.
A senior Harrison, soph Jordan, and seniors Branch and Greene coming off the bench has to be up there with the best in the country. Maybe top 3 is a stretch, but I would say definitely top 10.
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Greene? He is a loose cannon.
He shot 40% from three; had an assist/turnover ratio in the upper stratosphere; he's never had any known behavioral issues or violated a team rule; not one physical altercation nor even looked funny at an official in 3 years running.
What makes him a "loose cannon"???
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far from doomed. Our backcourt is probably in the top 3 in the country and is incredibly deep. If the frontcourt can rebound effectively, score a little, play good D (which is as much about effort and smarts as talent) we will be fine. I see SJU getting in the torney. There are reasons to be optimistic, torney is usually guard dominated.
We had that exact same backcourt last season, only now our front court is weaker. How does that equal more success?
And fwiw our backcourt isn't top 3. Kentucky alone has 2 pairs of guards better than ours, plus Duke, plus Villanova, Gonzaga etc
If Jordan has matured from last year, then the backcourt will be better.
No way near top 3 though. A top 3 backcourt would make the Elite 8 with me, Desco and Marillic playing in the front court.
A senior Harrison, soph Jordan, and seniors Branch and Greene coming off the bench has to be up there with the best in the country. Maybe top 3 is a stretch, but I would say definitely top 10.
If you've followed this team, you know that Jordan is coming off the bench before Greene is.
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Will Lavin recognize that this team is best pressing for a good part of the game. The 4 guards are all very quick as is Pointer. WIll Lavin be smart enough to press early, not only when the game is slipping out of reach??? I don't think so, but this is the obvious ay to utilize a skilled, quick backcourt and to put less pressure on the inexperienced, less talented, big men.
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Will Lavin recognize that this team is best pressing for a good part of the game. The 4 guards are all very quick as is Pointer. WIll Lavin be smart enough to press early, not only when the game is slipping out of reach??? I don't think so, but this is the obvious ay to utilize a skilled, quick backcourt and to put less pressure on the inexperienced, less talented, big men.
Really? The way to take pressure off the big men is by pressing?
When you press, if you don't stop the ball or force help, you end up with odd man rushes against your big man who is pin-balled back and forth having to guard against two people coming at him.
It may sound counter-intuitive, but the strategic truth is you can hide bigmen by playing a 2-3 and packing it in. Then, you're big is never left alone guarding someone in isolaction where he can draw fouls or be abused.
In theory our athleticism makes you think we'd be a good trapping and pressing team, but over the last three seasons the opposite is true. When we press we just create fast breaks for the other team.
I actually wouldn't change the ddefense at all. Since we abandoned the quick sand, match up zone, our defense has been just fine.
Our defensive efficiency rating was top 40 in the country last season.
Ken pom's preseason ratings predicts us to be top 15 this season .
Don't touch the defense lol. Stick to simple half court man and zone schemes depending on the situation, and let the players' instincts do the rest.
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Agree with Desco on this one. All for using our athleticism and quickness by playing aggressive man to man defense in the half court, with CO acting as a rim protector. Not pressing except on occasion. When we played man last year, as Desco noted, our defense was very good. And as the year progressed, you heard other coaches/commentators (i.e., Jay Wright) specifically cite our half court ball pressure as being very good.
Of course on offense we want to get out and run where possible. That covers our half court struggles, which I think we will have again unless Jordan improves his outside shooting a lot and/or CO gives us some sort of post presence.
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far from doomed. Our backcourt is probably in the top 3 in the country and is incredibly deep. If the frontcourt can rebound effectively, score a little, play good D (which is as much about effort and smarts as talent) we will be fine. I see SJU getting in the torney. There are reasons to be optimistic, torney is usually guard dominated.
We had that exact same backcourt last season, only now our front court is weaker. How does that equal more success?
And fwiw our backcourt isn't top 3. Kentucky alone has 2 pairs of guards better than ours, plus Duke, plus Villanova, Gonzaga etc
If Jordan has matured from last year, then the backcourt will be better.
No way near top 3 though. A top 3 backcourt would make the Elite 8 with me, Desco and Marillic playing in the front court.
A senior Harrison, soph Jordan, and seniors Branch and Greene coming off the bench has to be up there with the best in the country. Maybe top 3 is a stretch, but I would say definitely top 10.
That's fair. The backcourt is clearly our strength, and should be one of the better units around.
But Johnnie 75 is right. Duke for example has Quinn cook and Sulaman returning and are bringing in the #1g in the country in Tyus Jones and another top 20 player in Grayson allen. That's an embarrassment of riches for a team that lost parker and hood lol.
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Will Lavin recognize that this team is best pressing for a good part of the game. The 4 guards are all very quick as is Pointer. WIll Lavin be smart enough to press early, not only when the game is slipping out of reach??? I don't think so, but this is the obvious ay to utilize a skilled, quick backcourt and to put less pressure on the inexperienced, less talented, big men.
That is what he told us he wanted to do. Whether he does it, or not, we'll see. I would be content if we never played a zone of any kind ever again. There is no use in continuing to do what always fails.
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far from doomed. Our backcourt is probably in the top 3 in the country and is incredibly deep. If the frontcourt can rebound effectively, score a little, play good D (which is as much about effort and smarts as talent) we will be fine. I see SJU getting in the torney. There are reasons to be optimistic, torney is usually guard dominated.
We had that exact same backcourt last season, only now our front court is weaker. How does that equal more success?
And fwiw our backcourt isn't top 3. Kentucky alone has 2 pairs of guards better than ours, plus Duke, plus Villanova, Gonzaga etc
If Jordan has matured from last year, then the backcourt will be better.
No way near top 3 though. A top 3 backcourt would make the Elite 8 with me, Desco and Marillic playing in the front court.
A senior Harrison, soph Jordan, and seniors Branch and Greene coming off the bench has to be up there with the best in the country. Maybe top 3 is a stretch, but I would say definitely top 10.
That's fair. The backcourt is clearly our strength, and should be one of the better units around.
But Johnnie 75 is right. Duke for example has Quinn cook and Sulaman returning and are bringing in the #1g in the country in Tyus Jones and another top 20 player in Grayson allen. That's an embarrassment of riches for a team that lost parker and hood lol.
Duke is not a world beater. They can be beaten, but I don't think it will come down to talent. We have enough talent. The team, as a whole, has to get tougher. Stop avoiding contact and start playing like New Yorkers.
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far from doomed. Our backcourt is probably in the top 3 in the country and is incredibly deep. If the frontcourt can rebound effectively, score a little, play good D (which is as much about effort and smarts as talent) we will be fine. I see SJU getting in the torney. There are reasons to be optimistic, torney is usually guard dominated.
We had that exact same backcourt last season, only now our front court is weaker. How does that equal more success?
And fwiw our backcourt isn't top 3. Kentucky alone has 2 pairs of guards better than ours, plus Duke, plus Villanova, Gonzaga etc
If Jordan has matured from last year, then the backcourt will be better.
No way near top 3 though. A top 3 backcourt would make the Elite 8 with me, Desco and Marillic playing in the front court.
A senior Harrison, soph Jordan, and seniors Branch and Greene coming off the bench has to be up there with the best in the country. Maybe top 3 is a stretch, but I would say definitely top 10.
That's fair. The backcourt is clearly our strength, and should be one of the better units around.
But Johnnie 75 is right. Duke for example has Quinn cook and Sulaman returning and are bringing in the #1g in the country in Tyus Jones and another top 20 player in Grayson allen. That's an embarrassment of riches for a team that lost parker and hood lol.
I would not for a second trade harrison and Jordan for cook and Sulaimon.
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far from doomed. Our backcourt is probably in the top 3 in the country and is incredibly deep. If the frontcourt can rebound effectively, score a little, play good D (which is as much about effort and smarts as talent) we will be fine. I see SJU getting in the torney. There are reasons to be optimistic, torney is usually guard dominated.
We had that exact same backcourt last season, only now our front court is weaker. How does that equal more success?
And fwiw our backcourt isn't top 3. Kentucky alone has 2 pairs of guards better than ours, plus Duke, plus Villanova, Gonzaga etc
Desco come on man, our back court is not exactly the same when three of them now become seniors and the other one ( the best of the group) is no longer a freshmen.
Ullis and Booker over Harrison and Rysheed?
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Will Lavin recognize that this team is best pressing for a good part of the game. The 4 guards are all very quick as is Pointer. WIll Lavin be smart enough to press early, not only when the game is slipping out of reach??? I don't think so, but this is the obvious ay to utilize a skilled, quick backcourt and to put less pressure on the inexperienced, less talented, big men.
Really? The way to take pressure off the big men is by pressing?
When you press, if you don't stop the ball or force help, you end up with odd man rushes against your big man who is pin-balled back and forth having to guard against two people coming at him.
It may sound counter-intuitive, but the strategic truth is you can hide bigmen by playing a 2-3 and packing it in. Then, you're big is never left alone guarding someone in isolaction where he can draw fouls or be abused.
In theory our athleticism makes you think we'd be a good trapping and pressing team, but over the last three seasons the opposite is true. When we press we just create fast breaks for the other team.
I actually wouldn't change the ddefense at all. Since we abandoned the quick sand, match up zone, our defense has been just fine.
Our defensive efficiency rating was top 40 in the country last season.
Ken pom's preseason ratings predicts us to be top 15 this season .
Don't touch the defense lol. Stick to simple half court man and zone schemes depending on the situation, and let the players' instincts do the rest.
If we play tough man defense we win the big east. If we play any match up, zone, quick sand or gimmick defense we finish under .500 in conference.
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far from doomed. Our backcourt is probably in the top 3 in the country and is incredibly deep. If the frontcourt can rebound effectively, score a little, play good D (which is as much about effort and smarts as talent) we will be fine. I see SJU getting in the torney. There are reasons to be optimistic, torney is usually guard dominated.
We had that exact same backcourt last season, only now our front court is weaker. How does that equal more success?
And fwiw our backcourt isn't top 3. Kentucky alone has 2 pairs of guards better than ours, plus Duke, plus Villanova, Gonzaga etc
Desco come on man, our back court is not exactly the same when three of them now become seniors and the other one ( the best of the group) is no longer a freshmen.
Ullis and Booker over Harrison and Rysheed?
Nobody on here is saying that the Johnnies backcourt is bad. It's clearly one of, if not the best in the Big East conference. All I'm saying is that they are not even close to top 3 backcourt in the country. Harrison is a hot and cold player and Jordan is a fringe NBA prospect at this point. There are teams out there right now that have 2 projected first round picks in their backcourt.
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Will Lavin recognize that this team is best pressing for a good part of the game. The 4 guards are all very quick as is Pointer. WIll Lavin be smart enough to press early, not only when the game is slipping out of reach??? I don't think so, but this is the obvious ay to utilize a skilled, quick backcourt and to put less pressure on the inexperienced, less talented, big men.
Really? The way to take pressure off the big men is by pressing?
When you press, if you don't stop the ball or force help, you end up with odd man rushes against your big man who is pin-balled back and forth having to guard against two people coming at him.
It may sound counter-intuitive, but the strategic truth is you can hide bigmen by playing a 2-3 and packing it in. Then, you're big is never left alone guarding someone in isolaction where he can draw fouls or be abused.
In theory our athleticism makes you think we'd be a good trapping and pressing team, but over the last three seasons the opposite is true. When we press we just create fast breaks for the other team.
I actually wouldn't change the ddefense at all. Since we abandoned the quick sand, match up zone, our defense has been just fine.
Our defensive efficiency rating was top 40 in the country last season.
Ken pom's preseason ratings predicts us to be top 15 this season .
Don't touch the defense lol. Stick to simple half court man and zone schemes depending on the situation, and let the players' instincts do the rest.
If we play tough man defense we win the big east. If we play any match up, zone, quick sand or gimmick defense we finish under .500 in conference.
Can someone please remind me - did we get rid of the match-up zone defense last year? I thought we had.
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far from doomed. Our backcourt is probably in the top 3 in the country and is incredibly deep. If the frontcourt can rebound effectively, score a little, play good D (which is as much about effort and smarts as talent) we will be fine. I see SJU getting in the torney. There are reasons to be optimistic, torney is usually guard dominated.
We had that exact same backcourt last season, only now our front court is weaker. How does that equal more success?
And fwiw our backcourt isn't top 3. Kentucky alone has 2 pairs of guards better than ours, plus Duke, plus Villanova, Gonzaga etc
Desco come on man, our back court is not exactly the same when three of them now become seniors and the other one ( the best of the group) is no longer a freshmen.
Ullis and Booker over Harrison and Rysheed?
Nobody on here is saying that the Johnnies backcourt is bad. It's clearly one of, if not the best in the Big East conference. All I'm saying is that they are not even close to top 3 backcourt in the country. Harrison is a hot and cold player and Jordan is a fringe NBA prospect at this point. There are teams out there right now that have 2 projected first round picks in their backcourt.
Not sayin top 3, but pretty damn good. Would you take either of the two pairs over ours? I wouldnt
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far from doomed. Our backcourt is probably in the top 3 in the country and is incredibly deep. If the frontcourt can rebound effectively, score a little, play good D (which is as much about effort and smarts as talent) we will be fine. I see SJU getting in the torney. There are reasons to be optimistic, torney is usually guard dominated.
We had that exact same backcourt last season, only now our front court is weaker. How does that equal more success?
And fwiw our backcourt isn't top 3. Kentucky alone has 2 pairs of guards better than ours, plus Duke, plus Villanova, Gonzaga etc
Desco come on man, our back court is not exactly the same when three of them now become seniors and the other one ( the best of the group) is no longer a freshmen.
Ullis and Booker over Harrison and Rysheed?
Nobody on here is saying that the Johnnies backcourt is bad. It's clearly one of, if not the best in the Big East conference. All I'm saying is that they are not even close to top 3 backcourt in the country. Harrison is a hot and cold player and Jordan is a fringe NBA prospect at this point. There are teams out there right now that have 2 projected first round picks in their backcourt.
Not sayin top 3, but pretty damn good. Would you take either of the two pairs over ours? I wouldnt
Depends on Jordan's development. He could go for 17 and 7 with 3.5 steals per game for all we know.
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Will Lavin recognize that this team is best pressing for a good part of the game. The 4 guards are all very quick as is Pointer. WIll Lavin be smart enough to press early, not only when the game is slipping out of reach??? I don't think so, but this is the obvious ay to utilize a skilled, quick backcourt and to put less pressure on the inexperienced, less talented, big men.
Really? The way to take pressure off the big men is by pressing?
When you press, if you don't stop the ball or force help, you end up with odd man rushes against your big man who is pin-balled back and forth having to guard against two people coming at him.
It may sound counter-intuitive, but the strategic truth is you can hide bigmen by playing a 2-3 and packing it in. Then, you're big is never left alone guarding someone in isolaction where he can draw fouls or be abused.
In theory our athleticism makes you think we'd be a good trapping and pressing team, but over the last three seasons the opposite is true. When we press we just create fast breaks for the other team.
I actually wouldn't change the ddefense at all. Since we abandoned the quick sand, match up zone, our defense has been just fine.
Our defensive efficiency rating was top 40 in the country last season.
Ken pom's preseason ratings predicts us to be top 15 this season .
Don't touch the defense lol. Stick to simple half court man and zone schemes depending on the situation, and let the players' instincts do the rest.
If we play tough man defense we win the big east. If we play any match up, zone, quick sand or gimmick defense we finish under .500 in conference.
It is true that when you beat the press big men are exposed. Remember, although we are weak on the front line generally, hopefully for most of the game we will have a more experienced Obekpa back there for the opposition to think about. When a press is not beaten it gives the big men more time to adjust to the defensive end, shortens effective offensive possessions and, of course, leads to easy buckets off turnovers. We have 5 really quick guys in the first 8, lets use them to mess with the other team. Last year our desperation last 10 minute presses were effective. If the press is a routine tool, practiced and used often, it will be even more effective
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far from doomed. Our backcourt is probably in the top 3 in the country and is incredibly deep. If the frontcourt can rebound effectively, score a little, play good D (which is as much about effort and smarts as talent) we will be fine. I see SJU getting in the torney. There are reasons to be optimistic, torney is usually guard dominated.
We had that exact same backcourt last season, only now our front court is weaker. How does that equal more success?
And fwiw our backcourt isn't top 3. Kentucky alone has 2 pairs of guards better than ours, plus Duke, plus Villanova, Gonzaga etc
Desco come on man, our back court is not exactly the same when three of them now become seniors and the other one ( the best of the group) is no longer a freshmen.
Ullis and Booker over Harrison and Rysheed?
Nobody on here is saying that the Johnnies backcourt is bad. It's clearly one of, if not the best in the Big East conference. All I'm saying is that they are not even close to top 3 backcourt in the country. Harrison is a hot and cold player and Jordan is a fringe NBA prospect at this point. There are teams out there right now that have 2 projected first round picks in their backcourt.
Not sayin top 3, but pretty damn good. Would you take either of the two pairs over ours? I wouldnt
Depends on Jordan's development. He could go for 17 and 7 with 3.5 steals per game for all we know.
Always worry about him losing time as well to suspension, "virus", injury, alien abduction, etc. ☺️ Hopefully he has an interruption free year. Without him the backcourt would be quite ordinary.