6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: Marco Baldi on March 19, 2014, 06:04:13 PM
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Hearing this is done deal. Time for both parties to move on. Get Massiello on the phone ASAP
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are you serious Baldi?
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are you serious Baldi?
Yes. That's the word on the street. But I've been given some bad scoop before. This time I hope it's right. Time to go
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are you serious Baldi?
Yes. That's the word on the street. But I've been given some bad scoop before. This time I hope it's right. Time to go
Holy hell! What a scoop if you're right! I gotta think it's Lavin who wants out if he's really gone. If true, he must see next year as a trainwreck.
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Seems like an insane 180.
Baldi - who are you hearing is the catalyst? The University or Lavin?
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are you serious Baldi?
Yes. That's the word on the street. But I've been given some bad scoop before. This time I hope it's right. Time to go
Holy hell! What a scoop if you're right! I gotta think it's Lavin who wants out if he's really gone. If true, he must see next year as a trainwreck.
That's what I think. Resignation
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Baldi, can you promise not to post any more of your scoops if you're wrong on this one? Or at least change sources?
If you're right, would make for a very interesting offseason and I have little to no doubt that the powers that be would make the wrong hire.
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Baldi, can you promise not to post any more of your scoops if you're wrong on this one? Or at least change sources?
If you're right, would make for a very interesting offseason and I have little to no doubt that the powers that be would make the wrong hire.
I post what I hear. If it's wrong, I'll take the heat. I won't sit on scoop til confirmed like others.
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What heat?
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What heat?
The heat from the panel of judges here of course. You know, the guys who bring nothing to the table. But are first to call everyone a troll who post scoop, right or wrong
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Keady taking over
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What heat?
Man are you getting material for April 1!
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PLEASE Indiana go after Mike Woodson and release Crean!
Hopefully Monasch is not too much of a dumbasss to go after him
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Howland? ;)
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False.
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False.
Verifiably so, or because you don't trust Baldi's source, or both?
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False.
Verifiably so, or because you don't trust Baldi's source, or both?
Unless this happened today...both, but mostly the latter.
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All the heat is falling on a terrible former center for this team.
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Interesting.. let's face it, no one will be knocking down Lavin's door for another coaching opportunity, so why would he give up a nice, fat salary he's got coming his way for the rest of his contract?
Of course, the response is a buyout? Who negotiates the buyout for the school? Who is in charge? Monasch? LOL..
Lavin decides he wants out, huh? So he essentially screws all of his hand picked assistants, some long time friends, at the same time, because they would all lose their jobs as well.
Just thinking out loud....and logically.
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A resignation offers a way out with dignity for both, Lavin and the University. Most Coaching changes happen at end of season, with the recruiting of new Coaches beginning as the tourney goes on.
I am speculating that Lavin himself realizes his team has lost whatever confidence they had in him to win. That's a crossroad no Coach can recover from and he's run out of spin.
There are some very good up and coming Coaches who would be good candidates.
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Interesting.. let's face it, no one will be knocking down Lavin's door for another coaching opportunity, so why would he give up a nice, fat salary he's got coming his way for the rest of his contract?
Of course, the response is a buyout? Who negotiates the buyout for the school? Who is in charge? Monasch? LOL..
Lavin decides he wants out, huh? So he essentially screws all of his hand picked assistants, some long time friends, at the same time, because they would all lose their jobs as well.
Just thinking out loud....and logically.
Isn't his current contract already up? Pure speculation, but maybe Monasch said, how about a short extension for now and we'll consider a longer term deal once we see what direction the program is headed? Lavin might have then seen the writing on the wall, and rather than bank on his ability to turn things around, decides to cut bait and go back to TV commentating before he really screws up his reputation and credability?
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I'm pretty sure this wasn't the last year on his contract... He would have been a lame duck all season if that was the case. This was year 4 of a 6 year deal I thought?
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I'm pretty sure this wasn't the last year on his contract... He would have been a lame duck all season if that was the case. This was year 4 of a 6 year deal I thought?
Where the heck is Lavin's agent, hnk? He'd know the status of Lavin's contract. He's been awfully quiet of late. Maybe he's busy negotiating Lavin's new Fox Sports contract? ;-)
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Yeah I really doubt Lavin would leave now, doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Unless he feels that he has completely lost the team, they should be better next year, if he's gonna leave it would be after a successful campaign.
Lord knows the "administration" doesn't have the nuts to make a change.
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The World according to Bluto:
Stephenson, Syl basically every NYC kid Norm didn't get played for ST John's
Norm is still coaching
Lavin is coaching USC
Jordan is at Temple
Iona is a real school and not something he made up
If Iona was a real school they had pretty girls
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Yeah I really doubt Lavin would leave now, doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Unless he feels that he has completely lost the team, they should be better next year, if he's gonna leave it would be after a successful campaign.
Lord knows the "administration" doesn't have the nuts to make a change.
May have nothing to do with nuts, but cash; namely, the cash the school receives from a certain benefactor that is earmarked for the basketball program, among other things.
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The World according to Bluto:
Stephenson, Syl basically every NYC kid Norm didn't get played for ST John's
Norm is still coaching
Lavin is coaching USC
Jordan is at Temple
Iona is a real school and not something he made up
If Iona was a real school they had pretty girls
Can't win them all..... throw enough shit at the wall, eventually something will stick.. Isn't that the saying?
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read the title before seeing who posted. I got mad, thought so one was thanking Lavin for a good season. No way he quits! Cant imagine they fire him
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Again, say what you want. You all should pray I'm right
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Shocking if it is true but it would make sense to leave now.
-Lavin could claim he turned around the program
-his wife is an actress and she wants to go back to LA
-the team has potential to be successful
-there are no big recruits signed or coming in so no loss of scholarship.
-He has lingering health problems and cannot put up the rigors of coaching
-New admin coming in and he does not want to start fresh...
I still am skeptical and have a hard time seeing Lavin would just walk away or the school and Lavin burned bridges and decided to depart ways.
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If he quits he will never get another coaching job again unless it's HS.
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Not happening, it would be devoid of all logic when considering the players involved
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It's obviously not true. There is no way Lavin walks away from his rising seniors after a disappointing season. There is no way he misses the tournament next year even if the team is a huge bust. You think he wants his last game to be an NIT LOSS to Robert Morris. Get it together.
If he were to leave it would be after next season. There is no way h'ed be forced out this early the way he recruits after Norm was here for forty losing seasons.
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It's obviously not true. There is no way Lavin walks away from his rising seniors after a disappointing season. There is no way he misses the tournament next year even if the team is a huge bust. You think he wants his last game to be an NIT LOSS to Robert Morris. Get it together.
If he were to leave it would be after next season. There is no way h'ed be forced out this early the way he recruits after Norm was here for forty losing seasons.
very valid points, I don't see him going. Odder things have happened, and with this program you never know.
He loves his kids, he loves the guys on the team, at least that's what I've gathered from reading the board. He will go to battle/bat for the kids (other than Garrett). I don't see him abandoning them.
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Getting my hopes up to ultimately be disappointed in the end, just like with the team itself
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Putting aside the fact that it is true or not, many of your guys arguments for him not leaving are him giving up money. Lavin has made 5+ mill at st johns already. He is not strapped for cash, im sure he would get paid great to do commentary again. You guys ever think that coaching this team is perhaps just too much for him? Maybe he doesnt want the grind anymore, in fact I think he doesnt.
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Putting aside the fact that it is true or not, many of your guys arguments for him not leaving are him giving up money. Lavin has made 5+ mill at st johns already. He is not strapped for cash, im sure he would get paid great to do commentary again. You guys ever think that coaching this team is perhaps just too much for him? Maybe he doesnt want the grind anymore, in fact I think he doesnt.
He may not be strapped for cash, but that's still leaving a lot of money on the table.
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Hearing this is done deal. Time for both parties to move on. Get Massiello on the phone ASAP
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Putting aside the fact that it is true or not, many of your guys arguments for him not leaving are him giving up money. Lavin has made 5+ mill at st johns already. He is not strapped for cash, im sure he would get paid great to do commentary again. You guys ever think that coaching this team is perhaps just too much for him? Maybe he doesnt want the grind anymore, in fact I think he doesnt.
He may not be strapped for cash, but that's still leaving a lot of money on the table.
I know it is, and I cant put my self in those shoes. But Is he really ever gonna have a financial problem?
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Maybe Mase, but that flies in the face of everything he's said the last two two weeks.. He's been asked directly about whether or not he wants to be here. His answer was clear.
5 mil, before taxes.. cut that in 1/2.. Now you know you have another 2 years a 1.5 each or whatever guaranteed? People don't give that up.. They just don't unless they are uber rich... again, who, in the last 24-48 hours has decided to cut the check so Lavin can ride off into the sunset?
I'm not taking sides, I'm just looking at it from a practical business perspective...
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Putting aside the fact that it is true or not, many of your guys arguments for him not leaving are him giving up money. Lavin has made 5+ mill at st johns already. He is not strapped for cash, im sure he would get paid great to do commentary again. You guys ever think that coaching this team is perhaps just too much for him? Maybe he doesnt want the grind anymore, in fact I think he doesnt.
Lavin's ego will not permit him to walk away from this job now. He'd look like a complete incompetent and a buffoon besides. It would validate everything UCLA fans said about him. Even Dick Vitale would snicker. Next year he'll make the NCAA tournament despite his obvious shortcomings, then he'll walk, having rehabilitated himself.
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Maybe Mase, but that flies in the face of everything he's said the last two two weeks.. He's been asked directly about whether or not he wants to be here. His answer was clear.
5 mil, before taxes.. cut that in 1/2.. Now you know you have another 2 years a 1.5 each or whatever guaranteed? People don't give that up.. They just don't unless they are uber rich... again, who, in the last 24-48 hours has decided to cut the check so Lavin can ride off into the sunset?
I'm not taking sides, I'm just looking at it from a practical business perspective...
What would you expect him to say in those situations boo? Plus, the five mill I used was with the taxes out, saw he made 2 mill+ this year in total comp, so that over 4 years with the taxes out brings it to around 5 mill. But regardless your point is well taken and the only person who can really answer it is Lavin himself. Or baldi of course :p
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Putting aside the fact that it is true or not, many of your guys arguments for him not leaving are him giving up money. Lavin has made 5+ mill at st johns already. He is not strapped for cash, im sure he would get paid great to do commentary again. You guys ever think that coaching this team is perhaps just too much for him? Maybe he doesnt want the grind anymore, in fact I think he doesnt.
Lavin's ego will not permit him to walk away from this job now. He'd look like a complete incompetent and a buffoon besides. It would validate everything UCLA fans said about him. Even Dick Vitale would snicker. Next year he'll make the NCAA tournament despite his obvious shortcomings, then he'll walk, having rehabilitated himself.
Makes much more sense..Especially if he doesn't get extension.
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If he were to resign, which I don't see happening, it would have to have something to do with the extension. Nobody negotiates an extension if they think there might be a chance they just quit. Unless the reason he waited until after this season to get moving on the extension was because he wasn't sure if he wanted to come back. Idk, just doesn't make sense
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The World according to Bluto:
Stephenson, Syl basically every NYC kid Norm didn't get played for ST John's
Norm is still coaching
Lavin is coaching USC
Jordan is at Temple
Iona is a real school and not something he made up
If Iona was a real school they had pretty girls
Exactly!!!!!! He blows more hot air than a balloon! Again, people called him out and he wont even take the high road and take the bet if his sources are that good.
When will you realize he is an IONA homer and nothing but a troll
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Putting aside the fact that it is true or not, many of your guys arguments for him not leaving are him giving up money. Lavin has made 5+ mill at st johns already. He is not strapped for cash, im sure he would get paid great to do commentary again. You guys ever think that coaching this team is perhaps just too much for him? Maybe he doesnt want the grind anymore, in fact I think he doesnt.
Lavin's ego will not permit him to walk away from this job now. He'd look like a complete incompetent and a buffoon besides. It would validate everything UCLA fans said about him. Even Dick Vitale would snicker. Next year he'll make the NCAA tournament despite his obvious shortcomings, then he'll walk, having rehabilitated himself.
This.
Marco Baldi could coach next season's team to the tournament...the poster or the former player. No way in hell does Lavin want to give those UCLA fans the satisfaction of having his last game be a loss to RMU in the NIT.
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Only way is if, god forbid, he was sick again...
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Hearing this is done deal. Time for both parties to move on. Get Massiello on the phone ASAP
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God I love this
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Don't worry boys. Anthony Lee might get us over the hump. Him and the kid who left 5 mins into the Nit game
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Don't worry boys. Anthony Lee might get us over the hump. Him and the kid who left 5 mins into the Nit game
So Anthony Lee is going to commit to a team without a coach? Who left 5 mins into the NIT game?
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Lavin said we were going to do some damage in March. He was right, too bad the damage was to the program. Lavin's team's are supposedly supposed to get better as the season goes along but this is two straight years we collapsed at the end, this year losing 4 of the last 6. I believe his original contract was for 5 years so what I would do is not extend him but make him prove himself next year as right now we don't even know what next years team will look like. I realize this might hurt recruiting in the short term but it is better than being locked in on a coach who make continue to come up short. Besides, off of this years results may be hard to sign the top players early off of these results and players interested in us may want not want to commit in the early signing period but may want to see how next season plays out and sign late.
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Don't worry boys. Anthony Lee might get us over the hump. Him and the kid who left 5 mins into the Nit game
So Anthony Lee is going to commit to a team without a coach? Who left 5 mins into the NIT game?
Christ the King
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Don't worry boys. Anthony Lee might get us over the hump. Him and the kid who left 5 mins into the Nit game
So Anthony Lee is going to commit to a team without a coach? Who left 5 mins into the NIT game?
Christ the King
He didn't leave. Was there whole game. Even got pumped when we cut it to 8. Stop lying
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I'm not lying. Check the posts
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There were extension talks a week/week and a half ago, now this crap? I was hoping firing this season.
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I would love to know how this team will be better next year
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Inside information I would trust from Bluto:
Best happy hour
Best place to get buffalo wings
Best place to meet fat Iona girls
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All false.
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All false.
Probably the first time I've been wrong and everyone is pissed about it
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All false.
All false.
The whole Lavin walking away rumor?
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All false.
Probably the first time I've been wrong and everyone is pissed about it
To your credit you did not beat around the bush. You said you had a source and you did not put the news in a hi cue format. If you are wrong, it is appreciated that you did not drag it out...for your standards :-)
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I'm not wrong just yet
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Regardless I am giving you credit on your improvement about your district of info. We are not all pure haters of you on this board!
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Regardless I am giving you credit on your improvement about your district of info. We are not all pure haters of you on this board!
Thanks my man. I still get lambasted for posting Jordan would be gone. Even though he was asked to leave the team once and then skips Nit
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I'm not lying. Check the posts
I saw him get up from his seat behind the bench with all his stuff and walk into the concourse. I didn't see him relocate but I guess he did. Boothe was sitting behind him and didn't return to his original seat after halftime but he could have just moved with Delarosa.
Word.
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I'm not lying. Check the posts
I saw him get up from his seat behind the bench with all his stuff and walk into the concourse. I didn't see him relocate but I guess he did. Boothe was sitting behind him and didn't return to his original seat after halftime but he could have just moved with Delarosa.
Word.
Boothe was CTK too.
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I'm not lying. Check the posts
I saw him get up from his seat behind the bench with all his stuff and walk into the concourse. I didn't see him relocate but I guess he did. Boothe was sitting behind him and didn't return to his original seat after halftime but he could have just moved with Delarosa.
Word.
Boothe was CTK too.
Yeah I was in the same Class of '07 with him. Great dude. Used to call me "Big Show" because I reminded him of the wrestler.
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Delusional.
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I'm not lying. Check the posts
I saw him get up from his seat behind the bench with all his stuff and walk into the concourse. I didn't see him relocate but I guess he did. Boothe was sitting behind him and didn't return to his original seat after halftime but he could have just moved with Delarosa.
Word.
he moved and sat on the opposite side of the court in the corner. he was there whole game and got into it once it got close.
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I really hope you're right Baldi.
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Thanks my man. I still get lambasted for posting Jordan would be gone. Even though he was asked to leave the team once and then skips Nit
You should. You are nothing but a troll. You want to see Lavin and SJU fail and crack jokes and say Iona is better. What is the need for the other Jordan thread about his sickness? You are not a fan and why come here to troll? Don't you finally have a gf or something to keep you busy?
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I really hope you're right Baldi.
I am.
A lot of things going on.
Replacement search begins
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Thanks my man. I still get lambasted for posting Jordan would be gone. Even though he was asked to leave the team once and then skips Nit
You should. You are nothing but a troll. You want to see Lavin and SJU fail and crack jokes and say Iona is better. What is the need for the other Jordan thread about his sickness? You are not a fan and why come here to troll? Don't you finally have a gf or something to keep you busy?
Connect the dots bro.
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Thanks my man. I still get lambasted for posting Jordan would be gone. Even though he was asked to leave the team once and then skips Nit
You should. You are nothing but a troll. You want to see Lavin and SJU fail and crack jokes and say Iona is better. What is the need for the other Jordan thread about his sickness? You are not a fan and why come here to troll? Don't you finally have a gf or something to keep you busy?
Connect the dots bro.
Just took a stroll in SoHo & saw Tilton, Fratto, Rico and poor Keady carrying out a sofa to moving truck with Lavin on it. Hmm.
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Baldi says Yes
Dave says NO
Who will be right? Inquiring minds want to know.
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I really hope you're right Baldi.
I am.
A lot of things going on.
Replacement search begins
First time for everything. Best of luck.
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I really hope you're right Baldi.
I am.
A lot of things going on.
Replacement search begins
Hopefully the search finds you a job, so you have other things to do besides stir the pot.
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I really hope you're right Baldi.
I am.
A lot of things going on.
Replacement search begins
Hopefully the search finds you a job, so you have other things to do besides stir the pot.
I have a great job. Thanks for caring.
It's funny, ya think some would be happy with this scoop.
Or are we upset at my approach. Either way, it sounds like you've grown accustomed to losing
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I really hope you're right Baldi.
I am.
A lot of things going on.
Replacement search begins
Hopefully the search finds you a job, so you have other things to do besides stir the pot.
I have a great job. Thanks for caring.
It's funny, ya think some would be happy with this scoop.
Or are we upset at my approach. Either way, it sounds like you've grown accustomed to losing
It's not necessarily being happy or not with this "rumored" information. In all honesty, I wouldn't mind a new coach. My problem is more with your agenda (such as the recent Jordan topic). You seem to get some kind of satisfaction with delivering bad news ("hearsay") which never comes to fruition. You are like the boy who cries wolf.
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I really hope you're right Baldi.
I am.
A lot of things going on.
Replacement search begins
Hopefully the search finds you a job, so you have other things to do besides stir the pot.
I have a great job. Thanks for caring.
It's funny, ya think some would be happy with this scoop.
Or are we upset at my approach. Either way, it sounds like you've grown accustomed to losing
It's not necessarily being happy or not with this "rumored" information. In all honesty, I wouldn't mind a new coach. My problem is more with your agenda (such as the recent Jordan topic). You seem to get some kind of satisfaction with delivering bad news ("hearsay") which never comes to fruition. You are like the boy who cries wolf.
No agenda here. I was right on Jordan, and I'm right on this. And how is Lavin getting bought out bad news? This is fabulous news.
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If it weren't so antithetical to the way this university conducts itself, I'd say there's a chance. But they haven't acted like this in the past. And there's no sense of urgency to do anything. Afterall it's not as if Rick Pitino or Billy Donovan is knocking on the door offering their services.
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How were you right about Jordan? You said he was gone. He didn't leave. Maybe you're right about this one, but that would be a first.
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How were you right about Jordan? You said he was gone. He didn't leave. Maybe you're right about this one, but that would be a first.
But he was gone, until he wasn't...get it?
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The World according to Bluto:
Stephenson, Syl basically every NYC kid Norm didn't get played for ST John's
Norm is still coaching
Lavin is coaching USC
Jordan is at Temple
Iona is a real school and not something he made up
If Iona was a real school they had pretty girls
Exactly!!!!!! He blows more hot air than a balloon! Again, people called him out and he wont even take the high road and take the bet if his sources are that good.
When will you realize he is an IONA homer and nothing but a troll
And we should be praying that he's right. I'll save that for the unarmed kids in Crimea getting out of there.
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I really hope you're not pulling our leg on this one Baldi.
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I have a great job. Thanks for caring.
It's funny, ya think some would be happy with this scoop.
Or are we upset at my approach. Either way, it sounds like you've grown accustomed to losing
This is only good news if the new coach is superior to Lavin and knowing the SJU administration, there's no reason to believe they'll do a great job in replacing Lavin.
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Baldi says Yes
Dave says NO
Who will be right? Inquiring minds want to know.
Vegas has Baldi +900000. Lay a hondo and you could be a near millionaire.
Baldi just won the lottery...he is back to mush status for the next 10-15 years. His first run as mush was legendary. He had a lower correct predicton % than Norm Robert's winning % at Queens College.
Somebody put him in the bathroom.
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Vegas has Baldi +900000. Lay a hondo and you could be a near millionaire.
Baldi just won the lottery...he is back to mush status for the next 10-15 years. His first run as mush was legendary. He had a lower correct predicton % than Norm Robert's winning % at Queens College.
Somebody put him in the bathroom.
AHAHAHAHAH, yes.
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I'm going to enjoy this
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I'm going to enjoy this
Either way I'm afraid.
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silly thread. he aint going no where. Think he comes back next year if we make NIT
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I'm not wrong just yet
No man your not wrong you are sad!
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I'm not wrong just yet
No man your not wrong you are sad!
Your?
Nah I'm pretty happy.
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Sure hope you are right Baldi. 4. Years of crappy basketball is enough. Thank God for the tourney we get to see well coached teams and overachievers
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Sure hope you are right Baldi. 4. Years of crappy basketball is enough. Thank God for the tourney we get to see well coached teams and overachievers
3 years *
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Sure hope you are right Baldi. 4. Years of crappy basketball is enough. Thank God for the tourney we get to see well coached teams and overachievers
3 years *
I stand corrected
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Monasch - http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on-college-basketball/24472959/st-johns-confirms-extension-talks-for-head-coach-steve-lavin (http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on-college-basketball/24472959/st-johns-confirms-extension-talks-for-head-coach-steve-lavin)
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Monasch - http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on-college-basketball/24472959/st-johns-confirms-extension-talks-for-head-coach-steve-lavin (http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on-college-basketball/24472959/st-johns-confirms-extension-talks-for-head-coach-steve-lavin)
Another swing and miss by Baldi
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Monasch - http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on-college-basketball/24472959/st-johns-confirms-extension-talks-for-head-coach-steve-lavin (http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on-college-basketball/24472959/st-johns-confirms-extension-talks-for-head-coach-steve-lavin)
Not so fast---this is dated March 8th
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If this does happen what are the chances the administration messes it up by going with somebody other than Masiello?
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I honestly think that would be their first call, but stranger things have happened.
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If this does happen what are the chances the administration messes it up by going with somebody other than Masiello?
Likely
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I really think that most of you guys need to look at reality.
Nobody is coming here better than Lavin. Why? Since Louie how many times have the powers that be brought in a coach that is even decent and can recruit? So they are going to get it right next time? Right....
Let this guy to be the face and have strong assistants. It ain't getting any better than this.
Side Note - Jarvis is available again...Great Hire.
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I really think that most of you guys need to look at reality.
Nobody is coming here better than Lavin. Why? Since Louie how many times have the powers that be brought in a coach that is even decent and can recruit? So they are going to get it right next time? Right....
Let this guy to be the face and have strong assistants. It ain't getting any better than this.
Side Note - Jarvis is available again...Great Hire.
Ridiculous statement. Why can't we find the next Shaka? People seem to think we need an established name to succeed when assistants and smaller conference coaches can, have and will continue to succeed at bigger programs
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That assistant from Kansas who once coached in the CUNY conference sure succeeded.
happyrappy is pretty much on point. Whoever think "the next Shaka" even things about coming here has to be puffing on the world's most potent chronic.
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That assistant from Kansas who once coached in the CUNY conference sure succeeded.
happyrappy is pretty much on point. Whoever think "the next Shaka" even things about coming here has to be puffing on the world's most potent chronic.
Also, canning a Coach coming off a 20 win season and a coach that won 20 games 2 out of 3 or 4 years (depending if you count cancer year or not) isn't the way to attract young coaching talent.
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That assistant from Kansas who once coached in the CUNY conference sure succeeded.
happyrappy is pretty much on point. Whoever think "the next Shaka" even things about coming here has to be puffing on the world's most potent chronic.
Seeing how the actual Shaka is still not coaching in a major conference what makes you think the next Shaka wouldn't come here? Does the next Shaka even know he is the next Shaka? Who's to say Masiello isn't the next great coach. Bread Stevens was an assistant at Butler and Butler chose to hire him instead of searching for a big name. Worked out well for them. Worked out well for Xavier when they went with Chris Mack instead of a bigger name.
You guys do realize pretty much every good great head coach was previously a coach at a small school before they became bigtime right?
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That assistant from Kansas who once coached in the CUNY conference sure succeeded.
happyrappy is pretty much on point. Whoever think "the next Shaka" even things about coming here has to be puffing on the world's most potent chronic.
Also, canning a Coach coming off a 20 win season and a coach that won 20 games 2 out of 3 or 4 years (depending if you count cancer year or not) isn't the way to attract young coaching talent.
Coaches aren't dumb. They see our players and know we should be better. Inheriting this kind of talent would be a PRO to coming to st johns, not a negative bc Lavin was fired (if it happens) for only winning 20.
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That assistant from Kansas who once coached in the CUNY conference sure succeeded.
happyrappy is pretty much on point. Whoever think "the next Shaka" even things about coming here has to be puffing on the world's most potent chronic.
Also, canning a Coach coming off a 20 win season and a coach that won 20 games 2 out of 3 or 4 years (depending if you count cancer year or not) isn't the way to attract young coaching talent.
20 win seasons aren't worth anything anymore. It's all about NCAA tournament appearances and wins these days
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I was speaking to a retired high school coach who confirmed what Baldi is saying. Lavin may, in fact, be on the way out.
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That assistant from Kansas who once coached in the CUNY conference sure succeeded.
happyrappy is pretty much on point. Whoever think "the next Shaka" even things about coming here has to be puffing on the world's most potent chronic.
Also, canning a Coach coming off a 20 win season and a coach that won 20 games 2 out of 3 or 4 years (depending if you count cancer year or not) isn't the way to attract young coaching talent.
Coaches aren't dumb. They see our players and know we should be better. Inheriting this kind of talent would be a PRO to coming to st johns, not a negative bc Lavin was fired (if it happens) for only winning 20.
I agree, coaches aren't dumb. And they know that PRO is for one year though. Then the new coach has to replace just about everyone. Which will probably lead to a losing record followed by more wins the following year, followed by 20+ wins in year 4. Sound familiar?
I just don't see a sure thing knocking down the door to coach St. John's. If the AD's phone is ringing off the hook with good coaches then go ahead and give them a look.
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I was speaking to a retired high school coach who confirmed what Baldi is saying. Lavin may, in fact, be on the way out.
Well, a retired high school would know.
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That assistant from Kansas who once coached in the CUNY conference sure succeeded.
happyrappy is pretty much on point. Whoever think "the next Shaka" even things about coming here has to be puffing on the world's most potent chronic.
Also, canning a Coach coming off a 20 win season and a coach that won 20 games 2 out of 3 or 4 years (depending if you count cancer year or not) isn't the way to attract young coaching talent.
Coaches aren't dumb. They see our players and know we should be better. Inheriting this kind of talent would be a PRO to coming to st johns, not a negative bc Lavin was fired (if it happens) for only winning 20.
Coaches know the value of experience. Who wouldn't be scared to see a coach get canned before seeing his first recruiting class reach its senior season? This isn't UCLA. Our kids are raw and Lavin lost his x's and o's guru and best player to the NBA.
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Lavin leaving is complete nonsense. 0.0 truth in that
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Again, say what you want. You all should pray I'm right
You get the win-win Baldi. Steve ends your nightmares, and Mas begins providing sweet SJ's dreams the next 8 years until he takes over for Ricky P.
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No insider information from me but I think Lavin stays. I think the administration wants him to stay. Monash will advocate for him I think, since if Lavin is regarded as a failure than Monash admits as much. They are tied together.
I am deeply disappointed in how things played out this year but in the 21st century, Steve Lavin is the only source of hope I've had. He has made us relevant in this century, we're always in the national conversation, and the limelight seeks him out. He is fun to watch and listen to. In the Big Apple we need a coach with some star power and he wants to be here. Anyway, I think he wants to stay and the university is happy to have him. He needs to surround himself with good assistants and that is his biggest challenge since another characteristic that defines him I think is his sense of loyalty to friends and colleagues.
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I really think that most of you guys need to look at reality.
Nobody is coming here better than Lavin. Why? Since Louie how many times have the powers that be brought in a coach that is even decent and can recruit? So they are going to get it right next time? Right....
Let this guy to be the face and have strong assistants. It ain't getting any better than this.
Side Note - Jarvis is available again...Great Hire.
Who had a better first 4 years, Jarvis or Lavin?
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I really think that most of you guys need to look at reality.
Nobody is coming here better than Lavin. Why? Since Louie how many times have the powers that be brought in a coach that is even decent and can recruit? So they are going to get it right next time? Right....
Let this guy to be the face and have strong assistants. It ain't getting any better than this.
Side Note - Jarvis is available again...Great Hire.
Who had a better first 4 years, Jarvis or Lavin?
Before or after Jarvis had a bunch of his wins vacated for cheating?
What do you mean by better? Record, recruiting, etc?
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I really think that most of you guys need to look at reality.
Nobody is coming here better than Lavin. Why? Since Louie how many times have the powers that be brought in a coach that is even decent and can recruit? So they are going to get it right next time? Right....
Let this guy to be the face and have strong assistants. It ain't getting any better than this.
Side Note - Jarvis is available again...Great Hire.
Who had a better first 4 years, Jarvis or Lavin?
Jarvis no question. He came a shot from a Final Four and then won the Big East the following year. I don't think Lavin would have been able to take that loaded crew as far as Jarvis did. His teams are too soft--at least at St. John's so far. Under Armour should work in too too on the shorts and replace the hologram of the skyline with a couple of princesses having tea time.
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No insider information from me but I think Lavin stays. I think the administration wants him to stay. Monash will advocate for him I think, since if Lavin is regarded as a failure than Monash admits as much. They are tied together.
I am deeply disappointed in how things played out this year but in the 21st century, Steve Lavin is the only source of hope I've had. He has made us relevant in this century, we're always in the national conversation, and the limelight seeks him out. He is fun to watch and listen to. In the Big Apple we need a coach with some star power and he wants to be here. Anyway, I think he wants to stay and the university is happy to have him. He needs to surround himself with good assistants and that is his biggest challenge since another characteristic that defines him I think is his sense of loyalty to friends and colleagues.
Well put. I believe a full year of Coach W will help the guys move forward. We know some players are severely limited in some skill sets, but there are more ways to compensate with more time.
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I'm glad posters have brought up Jarvis as maybe that name will help us reflect on where we are as a basketball program and more broadly as an institution with Steve Lavin as our coach. He is the highest profile person associated with St. John's University. He is always enthusiastic and positive. Likeable and witty. Always grateful to the institution. Treats the players with respect and isn't afraid to make tough decisions in their best interests. I've always felt proud, even in losses, that he cares about his players and the reputation of the institution. He isn't winning at the level we'd/he'd hoped but I feel like we are moving in the right direction and we're doing things the right way. I care about winning and expect that we will win (and make the NCAAs), but laterally I think having the enigmatic Steve Lavin as our coach provides security to our institution's most valuable brand (basketball) in an uncertain world (think Buzz Williams), and enhances the value of a SJU degree.
The Jarvis era was just a blight to our program. Scandals with the NCAA: first the Barclay thing and later the Keita and other stuff. Probably worst of all from my perspective as a SJU guy I never got the sense that he respected our institution. Always rumors about him leaving for a better job. When he lost his excuse was that we didn't have the facilities to compete. On the flip side, Lavin acts like SJU is possibly the best job in the world, he embraces our history (even the NIT history, making the most out of a disappointing season). Jarvis just radiated negativity in my book.
I understand the shortcomings of Lavin and concede just about all the points made against him as an Xs and Os guy. But I think his style can win with the right assistant coaches around him. I think he is a great recruiter. I won't be disappointed if he continues to take "hammer to rock" at SJU well into the future as think we'll continue to compete and at least be interesting.
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I understand the shortcomings of Lavin and concede just about all the points made against him as an Xs and Os guy. But I think his style can win with the right assistant coaches around him. I think he is a great recruiter. I won't be disappointed if he continues to take "hammer to rock" at SJU well into the future as think we'll continue to compete and at least be interesting.
What is his style exactly?
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Lavin has done a good job in his time (3 or 4 years) at St. John's. Jarvis didn't win with his class or players he got the best from Fraschilla's guys. Lavin's biggest down fall is that he hasn't gotten as much traction in NYC nothing from NJ and he never replaced Dunlap. If I'm coaching I want my staff to be a feeder for other Division I programs. I'm not saying we have crap on the bench but when was the last time we heard glowing remarks about the staff??? Lavin is a recruiter, that is the best asset he has brought to St. John's when he had Dunlap he had someone who was all X's and O's and clearly that is part of what is missing because the team showed a total lack of basketball IQ and that falls on Lavin and his staff...and on the players.
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absolutely agree with everything underdog says. Lavin needs to do more to keep top NY and NJ talent at home. Harkless was a "pied piper" of sorts but not in our area. And I agree about our coaching staff.
What is Lavin's style? Less Xs and Os and more teacher, mentor, leader. He wants to set a tone, foster a culture, and contribute to both the basketball and personal growth of his players. He wants to win too, but I think he sees a big picture of life and basketball and thinks about his legacy. His style in pregame, timeouts, and postgame is always philosophical with urgings of his players to find courage and tap the energy from deep within. That is all good. Lavin calls Keady his "Mr. Mayagi" but really he is projecting something onto Keady that he really strives for himself, to be a zen master coach. The problem with being Mr. Mayagi is that a coach like that needs basketball players around him with great leadership skills and high basketball IQs or a coaching staff that can contribute the Xs and Os. With Dunlap on our bench, it was a better dynamic as he filled that void for us.
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That assistant from Kansas who once coached in the CUNY conference sure succeeded.
happyrappy is pretty much on point. Whoever think "the next Shaka" even things about coming here has to be puffing on the world's most potent chronic.
Also, canning a Coach coming off a 20 win season and a coach that won 20 games 2 out of 3 or 4 years (depending if you count cancer year or not) isn't the way to attract young coaching talent.
That's garbage, the twenty wins are bogus, the competition was weak, the Big East was bogus, as is playing out in the Big Dance. Actually, this team did better last year. If we had to face the same competition the record would have been worse.
For those of you who believe that we can't do any better then Lavin, go root for another team. A real fan of the program aspires to much better then Lavin has given us. If you happy with regular appearances in the NIT then sure Lavin is the right coach for the job but as happened at UCLA with superior talent to our present roster, the cookie will invariably crumble.
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A real fan
A what?
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A real fan
A what?
Masterful post foad.
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A real fan
A what?
One that finally figured out spell check function
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A real fan
A what?
Masterful post foad.
from the real fun
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Lavin has done a good job in his time (3 or 4 years) at St. John's. Jarvis didn't win with his class or players he got the best from Fraschilla's guys. Lavin's biggest down fall is that he hasn't gotten as much traction in NYC nothing from NJ and he never replaced Dunlap. If I'm coaching I want my staff to be a feeder for other Division I programs. I'm not saying we have crap on the bench but when was the last time we heard glowing remarks about the staff??? Lavin is a recruiter, that is the best asset he has brought to St. John's when he had Dunlap he had someone who was all X's and O's and clearly that is part of what is missing because the team showed a total lack of basketball IQ and that falls on Lavin and his staff...and on the players.
Jarvis won the nit and made the NCAAs with his own guys. Lavin won one nit game with his guys. If you want to compare Apples to apples, then actually do it.
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Lavin leave yet?
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jarvis won with frans riverside guys....artist, jessie, barkley etc.
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Hearing this is done deal. Time for both parties to move on. Get Massiello on the phone ASAP
How long does a done deal take?
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Lavin has done a good job in his time (3 or 4 years) at St. John's. Jarvis didn't win with his class or players he got the best from Fraschilla's guys. Lavin's biggest down fall is that he hasn't gotten as much traction in NYC nothing from NJ and he never replaced Dunlap. If I'm coaching I want my staff to be a feeder for other Division I programs. I'm not saying we have crap on the bench but when was the last time we heard glowing remarks about the staff??? Lavin is a recruiter, that is the best asset he has brought to St. John's when he had Dunlap he had someone who was all X's and O's and clearly that is part of what is missing because the team showed a total lack of basketball IQ and that falls on Lavin and his staff...and on the players.
Jarvis won the nit and made the NCAAs with his own guys. Lavin won one nit game with his guys. If you want to compare Apples to apples, then actually do it.
He won nothing, the NIT was vacated...Me running onto the court after the NIT victory was vacated as well...That would would have been my excuse if MSG ever pressed charges. The NCAA has that kind of power making things no longer count right?
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Hearing this is done deal. Time for both parties to move on. Get Massiello on the phone ASAP
How long does a done deal take?
With this school?
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I heard from the guy on the corner that his nephew's friend's father played for the retired HS basketball coach. This may have some legs to it.
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I'm glad posters have brought up Jarvis as maybe that name will help us reflect on where we are as a basketball program and more broadly as an institution with Steve Lavin as our coach. He is the highest profile person associated with St. John's University. He is always enthusiastic and positive. Likeable and witty. Always grateful to the institution. Treats the players with respect and isn't afraid to make tough decisions in their best interests. I've always felt proud, even in losses, that he cares about his players and the reputation of the institution. He isn't winning at the level we'd/he'd hoped but I feel like we are moving in the right direction and we're doing things the right way. I care about winning and expect that we will win (and make the NCAAs), but laterally I think having the enigmatic Steve Lavin as our coach provides security to our institution's most valuable brand (basketball) in an uncertain world (think Buzz Williams), and enhances the value of a SJU degree.
The Jarvis era was just a blight to our program. Scandals with the NCAA: first the Barclay thing and later the Keita and other stuff. Probably worst of all from my perspective as a SJU guy I never got the sense that he respected our institution. Always rumors about him leaving for a better job. When he lost his excuse was that we didn't have the facilities to compete. On the flip side, Lavin acts like SJU is possibly the best job in the world, he embraces our history (even the NIT history, making the most out of a disappointing season). Jarvis just radiated negativity in my book.
I understand the shortcomings of Lavin and concede just about all the points made against him as an Xs and Os guy. But I think his style can win with the right assistant coaches around him. I think he is a great recruiter. I won't be disappointed if he continues to take "hammer to rock" at SJU well into the future as think we'll continue to compete and at least be interesting.
I'm just really back and forth on him. On one hand, I agree with everything you just said. He brings such a positive light to the St. John's brand. He's always speaking to the press and is generally regarded as a good guy in basketball circles. And even though I have no proof to back this up, he seems to do things the right way.
On the other hand, it's really hard to ignore the coaching deficiencies that he does have. In a weak Big East this year, the team flat out underperformed. From the first game of the season on, this team look extremely shaky. Bad lineups, misuse of players, no sense of organized basketball plays, the same mistakes over and over and over, awful use of timeouts. The list goes on. And the fact that over the course of an entire season these issues were not fixed really speaks for itself. But on the other hand, is the grass always greener? I mean, yes there are some good young coaches out there. Masiello and Hurley to name a couple. But despite people's arguments, we've gone down this road before. I remember reading article after article about how Norm Roberts was the right choice for St. John's. Dick Vitale listed him as one of the hot names out there and he was a flat out home run for SJU. And then we all quickly realized that Norm was never meant to be a HC at this level.
Either way, I just want some stability at the HC position. Bring in somebody (or keep somebody) who wants to be here and build around them. If that is Lavin, fine. But make sure he has the proper assistant coaches to take this team to the next level.
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I was speaking to a retired high school coach who confirmed what Baldi is saying. Lavin may, in fact, be on the way out.
I was speaking with retired high school coach who confirmed that Baldi has been planning to post a BS rumor about Lavin leaving.
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But make sure he has the proper assistant coaches to take this team to the next level.
Perhaps we could skip the next level and jump to the one after that.
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In a weak Big East this year, the team flat out underperformed.
I'm still not sure how finishing tied for third when the coaches poll picked us to finish 5th, is considered underperforming. Yes we could have done better but we still finished higher than was predicted. Marquette on the other hand, who has as much top 100 talent on their roster as we do, was picked to finish 1st and a preseason top 25 team, finished 6th in the same weak BE. Does that mean Buzz is a terrible coach? Players need to perform, they need to make plays, make shots. I like the direction the program is heading.
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That assistant from Kansas who once coached in the CUNY conference sure succeeded.
happyrappy is pretty much on point. Whoever think "the next Shaka" even things about coming here has to be puffing on the world's most potent chronic.
Also, canning a Coach coming off a 20 win season and a coach that won 20 games 2 out of 3 or 4 years (depending if you count cancer year or not) isn't the way to attract young coaching talent.
You win 20 each year only because you play shit OOC schedules. Whenever the season is on the line you always choke. You are never a serious post season contender no matter how much the NYC tabloids promote you. You are not even the best team in the City for the past 20 years but you've conned everybody because you never play good local programs. You're a sham of a program and astute followers know that. Keep Lavin and keep buying the excuses you losers.
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That assistant from Kansas who once coached in the CUNY conference sure succeeded.
happyrappy is pretty much on point. Whoever think "the next Shaka" even things about coming here has to be puffing on the world's most potent chronic.
Also, canning a Coach coming off a 20 win season and a coach that won 20 games 2 out of 3 or 4 years (depending if you count cancer year or not) isn't the way to attract young coaching talent.
You win 20 each year only because you play shit OOC schedules. Whenever the season is on the line you always choke. You are never a serious post season contender no matter how much the NYC tabloids promote you. You are not even the best team in the City for the past 20 years but you've conned everybody because you never play good local programs. You're a sham of a program and astute followers know that. Keep Lavin and keep buying the excuses you losers.
Is this another Linda?
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Truth is the truth bro.
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You win 20 each year only because you play shit OOC schedules. Whenever the season is on the line you always choke. You are never a serious post season contender no matter how much the NYC tabloids promote you. You are not even the best team in the City for the past 20 years but you've conned everybody because you never play good local programs. You're a sham of a program and astute followers know that. Keep Lavin and keep buying the excuses you losers.
Must be an Iona fan. Love hearing the haters talk about our program. Keep living in our shadows bro!
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You win 20 each year only because you play shit OOC schedules. Whenever the season is on the line you always choke. You are never a serious post season contender no matter how much the NYC tabloids promote you. You are not even the best team in the City for the past 20 years but you've conned everybody because you never play good local programs. You're a sham of a program and astute followers know that. Keep Lavin and keep buying the excuses you losers.
Must be an Iona fan. Love hearing the haters talk about our program. Keep living in our shadows bro!
We have not exactly been an oak when it comes to casting shadows.
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That assistant from Kansas who once coached in the CUNY conference sure succeeded.
happyrappy is pretty much on point. Whoever think "the next Shaka" even things about coming here has to be puffing on the world's most potent chronic.
Also, canning a Coach coming off a 20 win season and a coach that won 20 games 2 out of 3 or 4 years (depending if you count cancer year or not) isn't the way to attract young coaching talent.
You win 20 each year only because you play shit OOC schedules. Whenever the season is on the line you always choke. You are never a serious post season contender no matter how much the NYC tabloids promote you. You are not even the best team in the City for the past 20 years but you've conned everybody because you never play good local programs. You're a sham of a program and astute followers know that. Keep Lavin and keep buying the excuses you losers.
why so angry?
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You win 20 each year only because you play shit OOC schedules. Whenever the season is on the line you always choke. You are never a serious post season contender no matter how much the NYC tabloids promote you. You are not even the best team in the City for the past 20 years but you've conned everybody because you never play good local programs. You're a sham of a program and astute followers know that. Keep Lavin and keep buying the excuses you losers.
Must be an Iona fan. Love hearing the haters talk about our program. Keep living in our shadows bro!
We have not exactly been an oak when it comes to casting shadows.
Which makes it even more depressing to the piss ants of the world.
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That assistant from Kansas who once coached in the CUNY conference sure succeeded.
happyrappy is pretty much on point. Whoever think "the next Shaka" even things about coming here has to be puffing on the world's most potent chronic.
Also, canning a Coach coming off a 20 win season and a coach that won 20 games 2 out of 3 or 4 years (depending if you count cancer year or not) isn't the way to attract young coaching talent.
You win 20 each year only because you play shit OOC schedules. Whenever the season is on the line you always choke. You are never a serious post season contender no matter how much the NYC tabloids promote you. You are not even the best team in the City for the past 20 years but you've conned everybody because you never play good local programs. You're a sham of a program and astute followers know that. Keep Lavin and keep buying the excuses you losers.
Anyone else find this post/poster to be pathetic? Not necessarily in it's truthfulness, but more the way it was presented. I am sorry you have so much anger in your life. Please get help, and please get better.
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LOL...delusional fans...got blown our by Robert Morris at home with an 80% empty house after being handed a free trip to the NIT semis in MSG...talk about a piss ant program...I could be a fan of Manhattan or Iona or Hofstra or LIU or Seton Hall...any of which were markedly better than you guys on any specific year...I'm not mad just tired of year after of the same Louie cool-aid when the reality is that you are nothing more than a mid-major playing scared of the local competition for years on end...and always choking at some point when the money is on the line...do you play Longwood a return on the road this year?
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That assistant from Kansas who once coached in the CUNY conference sure succeeded.
happyrappy is pretty much on point. Whoever think "the next Shaka" even things about coming here has to be puffing on the world's most potent chronic.
Also, canning a Coach coming off a 20 win season and a coach that won 20 games 2 out of 3 or 4 years (depending if you count cancer year or not) isn't the way to attract young coaching talent.
You win 20 each year only because you play shit OOC schedules. Whenever the season is on the line you always choke. You are never a serious post season contender no matter how much the NYC tabloids promote you. You are not even the best team in the City for the past 20 years but you've conned everybody because you never play good local programs. You're a sham of a program and astute followers know that. Keep Lavin and keep buying the excuses you losers.
Anyone else find this post/poster to be pathetic? Not necessarily in it's truthfulness, but more the way it was presented. I am sorry you have so much anger in your life. Please get help, and please get better.
Happiness is a warm gun.
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LOL...delusional fans...got blown our by Robert Morris at home with an 80% empty house after being handed a free trip to the NIT semis in MSG...talk about a piss ant program...I could be a fan of Manhattan or Iona or Hofstra or LIU or Seton Hall...any of which were markedly better than you guys on any specific year...I'm not mad just tired of year after of the same Louie cool-aid when the reality is that you are nothing more than a mid-major playing scared of the local competition for years on end...and always choking at some point when the money is on the line...do you play Longwood a return on the road this year?
Truth
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LOL...delusional fans...got blown our by Robert Morris at home with an 80% empty house after being handed a free trip to the NIT semis in MSG...talk about a piss ant program...I could be a fan of Manhattan or Iona or Hofstra or LIU or Seton Hall...any of which were markedly better than you guys on any specific year...I'm not mad just tired of year after of the same Louie cool-aid when the reality is that you are nothing more than a mid-major playing scared of the local competition for years on end...and always choking at some point when the money is on the line...do you play Longwood a return on the road this year?
Truth
This is going to be a long offseason. This could go on for months. No one is happy with how this season played out, but u are all out of your minds if u don't think any of these local program's coaches or athletic dir would switch places with sju. This year was a huge disappointment, but sju is still a better brand and most importantly has fox money locked in. Run your mouth all u want about a 10, but the truth is they would all accept a bid to BE even if the revamped version is not the same.
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LOL...delusional fans...got blown our by Robert Morris at home with an 80% empty house after being handed a free trip to the NIT semis in MSG...talk about a piss ant program...I could be a fan of Manhattan or Iona or Hofstra or LIU or Seton Hall...any of which were markedly better than you guys on any specific year...I'm not mad just tired of year after of the same Louie cool-aid when the reality is that you are nothing more than a mid-major playing scared of the local competition for years on end...and always choking at some point when the money is on the line...do you play Longwood a return on the road this year?
You are on a SJU forum what do you expect? St Johns is obviously a relevant enough program for you to come here and complain about not getting the chance to play us
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That assistant from Kansas who once coached in the CUNY conference sure succeeded.
happyrappy is pretty much on point. Whoever think "the next Shaka" even things about coming here has to be puffing on the world's most potent chronic.
Also, canning a Coach coming off a 20 win season and a coach that won 20 games 2 out of 3 or 4 years (depending if you count cancer year or not) isn't the way to attract young coaching talent.
You win 20 each year only because you play shit OOC schedules. Whenever the season is on the line you always choke. You are never a serious post season contender no matter how much the NYC tabloids promote you. You are not even the best team in the City for the past 20 years but you've conned everybody because you never play good local programs. You're a sham of a program and astute followers know that. Keep Lavin and keep buying the excuses you losers.
Anyone else find this post/poster to be pathetic? Not necessarily in it's truthfulness, but more the way it was presented. I am sorry you have so much anger in your life. Please get help, and please get better.
Happiness is a warm gun.
with a scraped off registration #...
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LOL...delusional fans...got blown our by Robert Morris at home with an 80% empty house after being handed a free trip to the NIT semis in MSG...talk about a piss ant program...I could be a fan of Manhattan or Iona or Hofstra or LIU or Seton Hall...any of which were markedly better than you guys on any specific year...I'm not mad just tired of year after of the same Louie cool-aid when the reality is that you are nothing more than a mid-major playing scared of the local competition for years on end...and always choking at some point when the money is on the line...do you play Longwood a return on the road this year?
Truth
Except that it's not. Also, you should accept that it's not. Sadly, this SJU program is still the best NYC has had to offer over the last 20 years.
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LOL...delusional fans...got blown our by Robert Morris at home with an 80% empty house after being handed a free trip to the NIT semis in MSG...talk about a piss ant program...I could be a fan of Manhattan or Iona or Hofstra or LIU or Seton Hall...any of which were markedly better than you guys on any specific year...I'm not mad just tired of year after of the same Louie cool-aid when the reality is that you are nothing more than a mid-major playing scared of the local competition for years on end...and always choking at some point when the money is on the line...do you play Longwood a return on the road this year?
Truth
Except that it's not. Also, you should accept that it's not. Sadly, this SJU program is still the best NYC has had to offer over the last 20 years.
How pathetic is that?
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LOL...delusional fans...got blown our by Robert Morris at home with an 80% empty house after being handed a free trip to the NIT semis in MSG...talk about a piss ant program...I could be a fan of Manhattan or Iona or Hofstra or LIU or Seton Hall...any of which were markedly better than you guys on any specific year...I'm not mad just tired of year after of the same Louie cool-aid when the reality is that you are nothing more than a mid-major playing scared of the local competition for years on end...and always choking at some point when the money is on the line...do you play Longwood a return on the road this year?
Truth
Except that it's not. Also, you should accept that it's not. Sadly, this SJU program is still the best NYC has had to offer over the last 20 years.
LOL ...give me what you are smoking...if you really believe that you are seriously stoned.
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maybe basketball jones is needs to go
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Speaking of going, is Lavin gone yet? Wondering when this Baldi inside info will come to fruition.
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Speaking of going, is Lavin gone yet? Wondering when this Baldi inside info will come to fruition.
When Lance Stephenson plays for SJU.
"The kid is coming"-Bluto, BEB circa 2010 or something
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I'm not the only 1 who heard this. I'm the only one to post it. If my scoop was wrong, so be it. We will be having the same discussion a year from now
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If my scoop was wrong, so be it.
Stick to picking places to eating chicken wings and staring at fat chicks. That is more your wheel house.
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I'm not the only 1 who heard this. I'm the only one to post it. If my scoop was wrong, so be it. We will be having the same discussion a year from now
So you're saying you'll post a Lavin gone rumor three straight years? Last year he was gone to USC, this year he was just gone. What will it be next year?
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I'm not the only 1 who heard this. I'm the only one to post it. If my scoop was wrong, so be it. We will be having the same discussion a year from now
Baldi, with all the incorrect rumors sent out these days, I'm glad to read some scuttlebutt every now and then, even it is more butt than scuttle - lol...
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At this point, I could post pretty much anything and you'll have to believe it. But I don't do that. I post what I heard, would be nice if others did the same
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Getting back to Lav, will he make some staff changes?
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At this point, I could post pretty much anything and you'll have to believe it. But I don't do that. I post what I heard, would be nice if others did the same
At this point, I could post pretty much anything and you'll have to believe it. But I don't do that. I post what I heard, would be nice if others did the same
If you hear it, share it ... great motto.
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Getting back to Lav, will he make some staff changes?
I hope so.
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Should Lavin return. Maybe he should actually interview the asst coaches this time
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I get as frustrated as anyone by Baldi when he trolls, but this wasn't one of those posts. He's not the type that claims he hears inside info all the time. If Baldi hears something I'm happy he posts it, whether the rumor ends up being right or wrong.
If Lavin is returning I really hope it comes w new assistant coach or two.
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Getting back to Lav, will he make some staff changes?
I dont see it. Chiles has done a great job recruiting, Whitesell just joined and he is very close with Hines
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Getting back to Lav, will he make some staff changes?
I would think Chiles or Hines are gone.
How do you justify keeping them if you let Lavin stay?
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Getting back to Lav, will he make some staff changes?
I would think Chiles or Hines are gone.
How do you justify keeping them if you let Lavin stay?
If Hines' forte is supposed to be player development, I think he should be held accountable. No loss in my opinion.
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btw Cleanthony Early went to juco upstate - why werent we all over him from day one? Baylor, Alabama Missouri and Wichita State recruited him - why didnt we?
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Getting back to Lav, will he make some staff changes?
I would think Chiles or Hines are gone.
How do you justify keeping them if you let Lavin stay?
If Hines' forte is supposed to be player development, I think he should be held accountable. No loss in my opinion.
I agree - the staff should be held accountable just like the kids are. Having Keady around makes us look like even more of a circus act....Hines and Chiles are as incompetent as the head coach. The jury is out on Whitesell.
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Getting back to Lav, will he make some staff changes?
I would think Chiles or Hines are gone.
How do you justify keeping them if you let Lavin stay?
If Hines' forte is supposed to be player development, I think he should be held accountable. No loss in my opinion.
Regardless of whether an asst coach is an excellent, great or good recruiter, I have seen from viewing the Terps inside that all the assts are expected to develop the players. Considering how Rico was raved about from the beginning on how he can prepare players for professional play, I am dismayed to read many posts stating the players are not developing. What's the underlying truth?
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What I never understood with Lavin is that he wanted to install a zone defense and could have hired Tim O'Toole. Made no sense.
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Should Lavin return. Maybe he should actually interview the asst coaches this time
Wait I thought this was a done deal?
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Should Lavin return. Maybe he should actually interview the asst coaches this time
Wait I thought this was a done deal?
I never believe Baldi about anything, but if Jordan or Obekpa leave too it makes sense for him to skedaddle.
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Pointer and Obekpa are the 2 guys in my opinion that are wildcards. When they play well we win and when they struggle St. John's struggles. I thought Rico was brought in with a reputation of being able to develop? I felt Pointer at the end of the his soph season was ready to take a step forward offensively. His junior season was a disappointment. Talk about a guy with physical tools but can't put it together. Obekpa showed glimpses of his potential - soft touch, jump hook, ability to pass the ball. He also showed why he for the 2nd yr in a row was a 4 PPG, 5 RPG player. I thought he was integral in our winning streak. He opens the court up when he gets touches and is a classic doesn't need to score to impact the game guy. The guards may be at fault for not feeding him the ball when he gets position but I expected more from him. IF in fact the staff is getting a makeover then we need coaches who are strong recruiters, strong coaches and can develop.
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I'm not the only 1 who heard this. I'm the only one to post it. If my scoop was wrong, so be it. We will be having the same discussion a year from now
You have a pretty empty life. Did you enjoy making prank calls as a kid?
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Getting back to Lav, will he make some staff changes?
I would think Chiles or Hines are gone.
How do you justify keeping them if you let Lavin stay?
If Hines' forte is supposed to be player development, I think he should be held accountable. No loss in my opinion.
We're all disappointed but this is harsh man. I guess from a distance we can say just about anything.
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I don't get the negativity towards Chiles. We have recruited well, and by all accounts he is the second most instrumental person at that, behind the head coach, who always has to seal the deal IMO.
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wow!
Jay @JayOn_1
Sources.: Lavin may go from gettin extension to get to getting bought out of contact soon #Sjubb
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wow!
Jay @JayOn_1
Sources.: Lavin may go from gettin extension to get to getting bought out of contact soon #Sjubb
Please dont tease. i hope this is true.
If true, the full court press needs to be put on Gregg Marshall asap. That guy would hang multiple Nat Championship banners in Carneseca before he retired. Something he will never do at Witchita St with mid major talent. This should in fact be the main point of the pitch to him. He's wasting his life & career in Wichita where he has a ceiling but at a major conf school with major conf talent he can be a hall of famer
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wow!
Jay @JayOn_1
Sources.: Lavin may go from gettin extension to get to getting bought out of contact soon #Sjubb
I hope this guy defines soon. The sooner the better
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wow!
Jay @JayOn_1
Sources.: Lavin may go from gettin extension to get to getting bought out of contact soon #Sjubb
Please dont tease. i hope this is true.
If true, the full court press needs to be put on Gregg Marshall asap. That guy would hang multiple Nat Championship banners in Carneseca before he retired. Something he will never do at Witchita St with mid major talent. This should in fact be the main point of the pitch to him. He's wasting his life & career in Wichita where he has a ceiling but at a major conf school with major conf talent he can be a hall of famer
I guarantee you Marshall would not come here unless we make him the highest paid coach in college hoops. And we obviously won't do that
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sucks that Mas is damaged goods now....
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sucks that Mas is damaged goods now....
Or perfect time for redemption...It's the Vicintian way. It depends on what exactly he lied about...He is just a few credit short from graduating. Very embarrassing, but not a killer yet...As long as this is it.
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sucks that Mas is damaged goods now....
Or perfect time for redemption...It's the Vicintian way. It depends on what exactly he lied about...He is just a few credit short from graduating. Very embarrassing, but not a killer yet...As long as this is it.
Rutgers didn't seem to mind Eddie Jordan didn't graduate, why should we?
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interesting jayon_1 is saying that seeing they won't buy out last 2 years, coach may still leave and they would put rico in charge for a season ( kids really like him). Porbably just speculation but its funny how within a week we are going from extension to buyout.
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It bothers me that Lavin is out in LA right now doing TV with Fox Sports. Does he really think now is a good time to be away from campus?
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Won't be long now
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interesting jayon_1 is saying that seeing they won't buy out last 2 years, coach may still leave and they would put rico in charge for a season ( kids really like him). Porbably just speculation but its funny how within a week we are going from extension to buyout.
If Lavin were to leave, I can't see any way possible that Rico is the HC next season
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interesting jayon_1 is saying that seeing they won't buy out last 2 years, coach may still leave and they would put rico in charge for a season ( kids really like him). Porbably just speculation but its funny how within a week we are going from extension to buyout.
If Lavin were to leave, I can't see any way possible that Rico is the HC next season
Seriously, that would be ridiculous. Go after Archie!
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interesting jayon_1 is saying that seeing they won't buy out last 2 years, coach may still leave and they would put rico in charge for a season ( kids really like him). Porbably just speculation but its funny how within a week we are going from extension to buyout.
If Lavin were to leave, I can't see any way possible that Rico is the HC next season
While your at it might as well ask Keady to be head coach LOL
If Lavin leaves, the staff would be blown up but perhaps Whitesall (as an outsider per se) could hold down the fort.
Tony worked his ass off but he couldn't do it.
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How would Danny Hurley be perceived?
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How would Danny Hurley be perceived?
I don't think the bad feelings between St Johns and his father would be an issue but Hurley is unproven as a coach at this point. I personally would not have any issues with him should the job open
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How would Danny Hurley be perceived?
I don't think the bad feelings between St Johns and his father would be an issue but Hurley is unproven as a coach at this point. I personally would not have any issues with him should the job open
I am intrigued by Danny Hurley too, but I dont know if he won enough at URI this year though.
I know this may not be popular, but if Lavin left, i say put the full court press on Jim Calhoun.
After Calhoun, go after Pitino's son. Here is his current contract structure at Minnesota:
http://deadspin.com/heres-richard-pitinos-minnesota-contract-complete-wi-470877141/all (http://deadspin.com/heres-richard-pitinos-minnesota-contract-complete-wi-470877141/all)
IMO this contract can be matched - since we dont have big time football and hockey just give him seasons tickets to the Giants and Rangers (or Knicks if he wants that).
You can argue that Minnesota is in the Big 10 but it is also in Minnesota. NYC is a better destination than Minnesota.
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sucks that Mas is damaged goods now....
Or perfect time for redemption...It's the Vicintian way. It depends on what exactly he lied about...He is just a few credit short from graduating. Very embarrassing, but not a killer yet...As long as this is it.
If Harrington left without paying for his crimes, which involved stealing, STJ has no right to point a finger at Mass
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How would Danny Hurley be perceived?
I don't think the bad feelings between St Johns and his father would be an issue but Hurley is unproven as a coach at this point. I personally would not have any issues with him should the job open
I am intrigued by Danny Hurley too, but I dont know if he won enough at URI this year though.
I know this may not be popular, but if Lavin left, i say put the full court press on Jim Calhoun.
After Calhoun, go after Pitino's son. Here is his current contract structure at Minnesota:
http://deadspin.com/heres-richard-pitinos-minnesota-contract-complete-wi-470877141/all (http://deadspin.com/heres-richard-pitinos-minnesota-contract-complete-wi-470877141/all)
IMO this contract can be matched - since we dont have big time football and hockey just give him seasons tickets to the Giants and Rangers (or Knicks if he wants that).
You can argue that Minnesota is in the Big 10 but it is also in Minnesota. NYC is a better destination than Minnesota.
Pitino's kid is not leaving Minnesota for St John's. Keep dreaming. And Calhoun won't come either but if he would you'd have to find a competent coach in waiting to add to the staff with him a la Larry Brown and SMU
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How would Danny Hurley be perceived?
I don't think the bad feelings between St Johns and his father would be an issue but Hurley is unproven as a coach at this point. I personally would not have any issues with him should the job open
I am intrigued by Danny Hurley too, but I dont know if he won enough at URI this year though.
I know this may not be popular, but if Lavin left, i say put the full court press on Jim Calhoun.
After Calhoun, go after Pitino's son. Here is his current contract structure at Minnesota:
http://deadspin.com/heres-richard-pitinos-minnesota-contract-complete-wi-470877141/all (http://deadspin.com/heres-richard-pitinos-minnesota-contract-complete-wi-470877141/all)
IMO this contract can be matched - since we dont have big time football and hockey just give him seasons tickets to the Giants and Rangers (or Knicks if he wants that).
You can argue that Minnesota is in the Big 10 but it is also in Minnesota. NYC is a better destination than Minnesota.
Pitino's kid is not leaving Minnesota for St John's. Keep dreaming. And Calhoun won't come either but if he would you'd have to find a competent coach in waiting to add to the staff with him a la Larry Brown and SMU
I think Pitino would jump at a chance to come to New York
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sucks that Mas is damaged goods now....
Or perfect time for redemption...It's the Vicintian way. It depends on what exactly he lied about...He is just a few credit short from graduating. Very embarrassing, but not a killer yet...As long as this is it.
Rutgers didn't seem to mind Eddie Jordan didn't graduate, why should we?
The issue with MAS I believe wasn't just that he lied, but a HR issue. I believe USF made an official posting indicating that the job required a Bachelor's. Once it became clear he didn't have one, they had no choice. Nothing prohibits team from hiring MAS, although I would rather go after Marshall.
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Calhoun? At St John's? Not a chance. Huge dirtbag and cheater. Never would happen.
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sucks that Mas is damaged goods now....
Or perfect time for redemption...It's the Vicintian way. It depends on what exactly he lied about...He is just a few credit short from graduating. Very embarrassing, but not a killer yet...As long as this is it.
Rutgers didn't seem to mind Eddie Jordan didn't graduate, why should we?
The issue with MAS I believe wasn't just that he lied, but a HR issue. I believe USF made an official posting indicating that the job required a Bachelor's. Once it became clear he didn't have one, they had no choice. Nothing prohibits team from hiring MAS, although I would rather go after Marshall.
Any athletic director with a chance to land Marshall but doesn't go after him should be fired on the spot. With that being said, Marshall would laugh at Monasch if he called
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Why in the world would we need an interim coach to hold down the fort. This is the time of year to hire new coaches why set the program back at least a year and hurt maybe 2 recruiting classes.
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How would Danny Hurley be perceived?
I don't think the bad feelings between St Johns and his father would be an issue but Hurley is unproven as a coach at this point. I personally would not have any issues with him should the job open
I am intrigued by Danny Hurley too, but I dont know if he won enough at URI this year though.
I know this may not be popular, but if Lavin left, i say put the full court press on Jim Calhoun.
After Calhoun, go after Pitino's son. Here is his current contract structure at Minnesota:
http://deadspin.com/heres-richard-pitinos-minnesota-contract-complete-wi-470877141/all (http://deadspin.com/heres-richard-pitinos-minnesota-contract-complete-wi-470877141/all)
IMO this contract can be matched - since we dont have big time football and hockey just give him seasons tickets to the Giants and Rangers (or Knicks if he wants that).
You can argue that Minnesota is in the Big 10 but it is also in Minnesota. NYC is a better destination than Minnesota.
Pitino's kid is not leaving Minnesota for St John's. Keep dreaming. And Calhoun won't come either but if he would you'd have to find a competent coach in waiting to add to the staff with him a la Larry Brown and SMU
If this were hypothetically a real scenario, they'd take the first flight to Queens. Not even a debate. Additionally Richard Pitino would be my clear cut #1 choice.
However nothing is going to happen and everything is status quo.
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How would Danny Hurley be perceived?
I don't think the bad feelings between St Johns and his father would be an issue but Hurley is unproven as a coach at this point. I personally would not have any issues with him should the job open
I am intrigued by Danny Hurley too, but I dont know if he won enough at URI this year though.
I know this may not be popular, but if Lavin left, i say put the full court press on Jim Calhoun.
After Calhoun, go after Pitino's son. Here is his current contract structure at Minnesota:
http://deadspin.com/heres-richard-pitinos-minnesota-contract-complete-wi-470877141/all (http://deadspin.com/heres-richard-pitinos-minnesota-contract-complete-wi-470877141/all)
IMO this contract can be matched - since we dont have big time football and hockey just give him seasons tickets to the Giants and Rangers (or Knicks if he wants that).
You can argue that Minnesota is in the Big 10 but it is also in Minnesota. NYC is a better destination than Minnesota.
Pitino's kid is not leaving Minnesota for St John's. Keep dreaming. And Calhoun won't come either but if he would you'd have to find a competent coach in waiting to add to the staff with him a la Larry Brown and SMU
You make it seem like Minnesota is like Kentucky or North Carolina. FYI, it's not! Look at his contract - he isnt making 5 million dollars a year. The compensation package can be matched by SJU.
NYC or Minnesota?...Considering Pitino's NY roots and Big East roots (he attended Providence), why wouldnt he come here?
Minnesota is a middle of the pack Big 10 program and he wont be there for the long term anyway.
Once the new president is in place and Monasch gets the axe, the full court press needs to be put on Pitino.
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How would Danny Hurley be perceived?
I don't think the bad feelings between St Johns and his father would be an issue but Hurley is unproven as a coach at this point. I personally would not have any issues with him should the job open
I am intrigued by Danny Hurley too, but I dont know if he won enough at URI this year though.
I know this may not be popular, but if Lavin left, i say put the full court press on Jim Calhoun.
After Calhoun, go after Pitino's son. Here is his current contract structure at Minnesota:
http://deadspin.com/heres-richard-pitinos-minnesota-contract-complete-wi-470877141/all (http://deadspin.com/heres-richard-pitinos-minnesota-contract-complete-wi-470877141/all)
IMO this contract can be matched - since we dont have big time football and hockey just give him seasons tickets to the Giants and Rangers (or Knicks if he wants that).
You can argue that Minnesota is in the Big 10 but it is also in Minnesota. NYC is a better destination than Minnesota.
Pitino's kid is not leaving Minnesota for St John's. Keep dreaming. And Calhoun won't come either but if he would you'd have to find a competent coach in waiting to add to the staff with him a la Larry Brown and SMU
If this were hypothetically a real scenario, they'd take the first flight to Queens. Not even a debate. Additionally Richard Pitino would be my clear cut #1 choice.
However nothing is going to happen and everything is status quo.
Dave, just curious why you are so adamant that there wont be a coaching change?
I understand that we do not have a president in place and we have a lame duck AD, but i do know that there are a lot of people who are very unhappy with the efforts of the current coach and the (lack of) results with the program.
To me, once SJU gets their act together with a president and AD, then this is not really far-fetched to me. I would prefer it to happen within the next month but if I knew it would be this time next year I would sign up for that as well.
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How would Danny Hurley be perceived?
I don't think the bad feelings between St Johns and his father would be an issue but Hurley is unproven as a coach at this point. I personally would not have any issues with him should the job open
I am intrigued by Danny Hurley too, but I dont know if he won enough at URI this year though.
I know this may not be popular, but if Lavin left, i say put the full court press on Jim Calhoun.
After Calhoun, go after Pitino's son. Here is his current contract structure at Minnesota:
http://deadspin.com/heres-richard-pitinos-minnesota-contract-complete-wi-470877141/all (http://deadspin.com/heres-richard-pitinos-minnesota-contract-complete-wi-470877141/all)
IMO this contract can be matched - since we dont have big time football and hockey just give him seasons tickets to the Giants and Rangers (or Knicks if he wants that).
You can argue that Minnesota is in the Big 10 but it is also in Minnesota. NYC is a better destination than Minnesota.
Pitino's kid is not leaving Minnesota for St John's. Keep dreaming. And Calhoun won't come either but if he would you'd have to find a competent coach in waiting to add to the staff with him a la Larry Brown and SMU
If this were hypothetically a real scenario, they'd take the first flight to Queens. Not even a debate. Additionally Richard Pitino would be my clear cut #1 choice.
However nothing is going to happen and everything is status quo.
Dave, just curious why you are so adamant that there wont be a coaching change?
I understand that we do not have a president in place and we have a lame duck AD, but i do know that there are a lot of people who are very unhappy with the efforts of the current coach and the (lack of) results with the program.
To me, once SJU gets their act together with a president and AD, then this is not really far-fetched to me. I would prefer it to happen within the next month but if I knew it would be this time next year I would sign up for that as well.
Are the people unhappy people who matter? Is the AD unhappy?
Besides the chatter on these boards coming from the same small group of people over and over again I have not read one media story since the NY Post article in January. During this month there were several credible stories with credible sources stating that Lavin's contract was being extended.
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How would Danny Hurley be perceived?
I don't think the bad feelings between St Johns and his father would be an issue but Hurley is unproven as a coach at this point. I personally would not have any issues with him should the job open
I am intrigued by Danny Hurley too, but I dont know if he won enough at URI this year though.
I know this may not be popular, but if Lavin left, i say put the full court press on Jim Calhoun.
After Calhoun, go after Pitino's son. Here is his current contract structure at Minnesota:
http://deadspin.com/heres-richard-pitinos-minnesota-contract-complete-wi-470877141/all (http://deadspin.com/heres-richard-pitinos-minnesota-contract-complete-wi-470877141/all)
IMO this contract can be matched - since we dont have big time football and hockey just give him seasons tickets to the Giants and Rangers (or Knicks if he wants that).
You can argue that Minnesota is in the Big 10 but it is also in Minnesota. NYC is a better destination than Minnesota.
Pitino's kid is not leaving Minnesota for St John's. Keep dreaming. And Calhoun won't come either but if he would you'd have to find a competent coach in waiting to add to the staff with him a la Larry Brown and SMU
If this were hypothetically a real scenario, they'd take the first flight to Queens. Not even a debate. Additionally Richard Pitino would be my clear cut #1 choice.
However nothing is going to happen and everything is status quo.
Dave, just curious why you are so adamant that there wont be a coaching change?
I understand that we do not have a president in place and we have a lame duck AD, but i do know that there are a lot of people who are very unhappy with the efforts of the current coach and the (lack of) results with the program.
To me, once SJU gets their act together with a president and AD, then this is not really far-fetched to me. I would prefer it to happen within the next month but if I knew it would be this time next year I would sign up for that as well.
While some fans may be upset at the results of the season, it isn't an accurate statement saying a lot of people are unhappy. Especially if you're implying that decision making people are.
I wouldn't call myself adamant about it but just being realistic. Lav does have some good traction in '15 class too. I would be very excited if players of target land here. Chances of that happening are strong too.
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How would Danny Hurley be perceived?
I don't think the bad feelings between St Johns and his father would be an issue but Hurley is unproven as a coach at this point. I personally would not have any issues with him should the job open
I am intrigued by Danny Hurley too, but I dont know if he won enough at URI this year though.
I know this may not be popular, but if Lavin left, i say put the full court press on Jim Calhoun.
After Calhoun, go after Pitino's son. Here is his current contract structure at Minnesota:
http://deadspin.com/heres-richard-pitinos-minnesota-contract-complete-wi-470877141/all (http://deadspin.com/heres-richard-pitinos-minnesota-contract-complete-wi-470877141/all)
IMO this contract can be matched - since we dont have big time football and hockey just give him seasons tickets to the Giants and Rangers (or Knicks if he wants that).
You can argue that Minnesota is in the Big 10 but it is also in Minnesota. NYC is a better destination than Minnesota.
Pitino's kid is not leaving Minnesota for St John's. Keep dreaming. And Calhoun won't come either but if he would you'd have to find a competent coach in waiting to add to the staff with him a la Larry Brown and SMU
If this were hypothetically a real scenario, they'd take the first flight to Queens. Not even a debate. Additionally Richard Pitino would be my clear cut #1 choice.
However nothing is going to happen and everything is status quo.
Dave, just curious why you are so adamant that there wont be a coaching change?
I understand that we do not have a president in place and we have a lame duck AD, but i do know that there are a lot of people who are very unhappy with the efforts of the current coach and the (lack of) results with the program.
To me, once SJU gets their act together with a president and AD, then this is not really far-fetched to me. I would prefer it to happen within the next month but if I knew it would be this time next year I would sign up for that as well.
Are the people unhappy people who matter? Is the AD unhappy?
Besides the chatter on these boards coming from the same small group of people over and over again I have not read one media story since the NY Post article in January. During this month there were several credible stories with credible sources stating that Lavin's contract was being extended.
You can believe what you want, but there is tension in this equation. Contract extension discussions will be interesting.
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How would Danny Hurley be perceived?
I don't think the bad feelings between St Johns and his father would be an issue but Hurley is unproven as a coach at this point. I personally would not have any issues with him should the job open
I am intrigued by Danny Hurley too, but I dont know if he won enough at URI this year though.
I know this may not be popular, but if Lavin left, i say put the full court press on Jim Calhoun.
After Calhoun, go after Pitino's son. Here is his current contract structure at Minnesota:
http://deadspin.com/heres-richard-pitinos-minnesota-contract-complete-wi-470877141/all (http://deadspin.com/heres-richard-pitinos-minnesota-contract-complete-wi-470877141/all)
IMO this contract can be matched - since we dont have big time football and hockey just give him seasons tickets to the Giants and Rangers (or Knicks if he wants that).
You can argue that Minnesota is in the Big 10 but it is also in Minnesota. NYC is a better destination than Minnesota.
Pitino's kid is not leaving Minnesota for St John's. Keep dreaming. And Calhoun won't come either but if he would you'd have to find a competent coach in waiting to add to the staff with him a la Larry Brown and SMU
You make it seem like Minnesota is like Kentucky or North Carolina. FYI, it's not! Look at his contract - he isnt making 5 million dollars a year. The compensation package can be matched by SJU.
NYC or Minnesota?...Considering Pitino's NY roots and Big East roots (he attended Providence), why wouldnt he come here?
Minnesota is a middle of the pack Big 10 program and he wont be there for the long term anyway.
Once the new president is in place and Monasch gets the axe, the full court press needs to be put on Pitino.
I think Pitino would be a dream candidate. He is still very young and could be the kind of long term guy who could do for St. Johns what Boeheim and Coach K did for their respective programs.
But I wonder if he would b hesitant to bolt from a B-10 school after just one year. Maybe he thinks it would look bad and/or feels he would owe them a bit more loyalty.
If only he had stayed at FIU for just one more season it would be much easier.
i like Gregg Marshall alot also. Absolutely believe that he would take an offer from SJU very seriously.
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I don't think there will be any changes this year, especially if we have a good chance with the 2015 guys. I mean thats what we have been hearing wait for 2015. However, if there is no chance then they need to re-think things. I've been a big supporter of Lavin but somethings going on if Phil is thinking about transferring, unless Henderson or someone better is coming in and he knows his time will be cut even more. People don't like Phil as a player but we need him for depth next year.
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I don't think there will be any changes this year, especially if we have a good chance with the 2015 guys. I mean thats what we have been hearing wait for 2015. However, if there is no chance then they need to re-think things. I've been a big supporter of Lavin but somethings going on if Phil is thinking about transferring, unless Henderson or someone better is coming in and he knows his time will be cut even more. People don't like Phil as a player but we need him for depth next year.
Phil should return. Where else would he get so much PT? Something personal must be going on with him. Hopefully he returns from Chicago soon committed to SJU. Obekpa indicating he is not leaving is even more important to me.
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Phil is a role player. Not a star. If he's used as a reserve scoring guard, as a senior, he's an asset. It's when we have him running the offense that he's playing a position he's unable to play. And again, we return to our coach, bec he put Greene in this position.
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How would Danny Hurley be perceived?
I don't think the bad feelings between St Johns and his father would be an issue but Hurley is unproven as a coach at this point. I personally would not have any issues with him should the job open
I am intrigued by Danny Hurley too, but I dont know if he won enough at URI this year though.
I know this may not be popular, but if Lavin left, i say put the full court press on Jim Calhoun.
After Calhoun, go after Pitino's son. Here is his current contract structure at Minnesota:
http://deadspin.com/heres-richard-pitinos-minnesota-contract-complete-wi-470877141/all (http://deadspin.com/heres-richard-pitinos-minnesota-contract-complete-wi-470877141/all)
IMO this contract can be matched - since we dont have big time football and hockey just give him seasons tickets to the Giants and Rangers (or Knicks if he wants that).
You can argue that Minnesota is in the Big 10 but it is also in Minnesota. NYC is a better destination than Minnesota.
Pitino's kid is not leaving Minnesota for St John's. Keep dreaming. And Calhoun won't come either but if he would you'd have to find a competent coach in waiting to add to the staff with him a la Larry Brown and SMU
You make it seem like Minnesota is like Kentucky or North Carolina. FYI, it's not! Look at his contract - he isnt making 5 million dollars a year. The compensation package can be matched by SJU.
NYC or Minnesota?...Considering Pitino's NY roots and Big East roots (he attended Providence), why wouldnt he come here?
Minnesota is a middle of the pack Big 10 program and he wont be there for the long term anyway.
Once the new president is in place and Monasch gets the axe, the full court press needs to be put on Pitino.
I think Pitino would be a dream candidate. He is still very young and could be the kind of long term guy who could do for St. Johns what Boeheim and Coach K did for their respective programs.
But I wonder if he would b hesitant to bolt from a B-10 school after just one year. Maybe he thinks it would look bad and/or feels he would owe them a bit more loyalty.
If only he had stayed at FIU for just one more season it would be much easier.
i like Gregg Marshall alot also. Absolutely believe that he would take an offer from SJU very seriously.
I don't think Pitino leaves a B10 program that has enjoyed some success recently to go to a tier 2 conference and a program that hasn't enjoyed any success recently.
Gregg Marshall would take our offer about as seriously as he would take an offer from St. Francis. He's declined much better jobs and is looking for a HUGE payday, something we can't give him
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Here's what I don't understand: in the last go round we got turned down by Paul Hewitt and Seth Greenberg but now all of a sudden we would be able to lure little Pitino or Marshall or Shaka or some other big coach to come here? The program isn't in that better of shape than it was 4 years ago and the administration won't pony up the cash that these guys would be looking for. Makes 0 sense. We need to accept where this program is in the college basketball landscape
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How would Danny Hurley be perceived?
I don't think the bad feelings between St Johns and his father would be an issue but Hurley is unproven as a coach at this point. I personally would not have any issues with him should the job open
I am intrigued by Danny Hurley too, but I dont know if he won enough at URI this year though.
I know this may not be popular, but if Lavin left, i say put the full court press on Jim Calhoun.
After Calhoun, go after Pitino's son. Here is his current contract structure at Minnesota:
http://deadspin.com/heres-richard-pitinos-minnesota-contract-complete-wi-470877141/all (http://deadspin.com/heres-richard-pitinos-minnesota-contract-complete-wi-470877141/all)
IMO this contract can be matched - since we dont have big time football and hockey just give him seasons tickets to the Giants and Rangers (or Knicks if he wants that).
You can argue that Minnesota is in the Big 10 but it is also in Minnesota. NYC is a better destination than Minnesota.
Pitino's kid is not leaving Minnesota for St John's. Keep dreaming. And Calhoun won't come either but if he would you'd have to find a competent coach in waiting to add to the staff with him a la Larry Brown and SMU
If this were hypothetically a real scenario, they'd take the first flight to Queens. Not even a debate. Additionally Richard Pitino would be my clear cut #1 choice.
However nothing is going to happen and everything is status quo.
Dave, just curious why you are so adamant that there wont be a coaching change?
I understand that we do not have a president in place and we have a lame duck AD, but i do know that there are a lot of people who are very unhappy with the efforts of the current coach and the (lack of) results with the program.
To me, once SJU gets their act together with a president and AD, then this is not really far-fetched to me. I would prefer it to happen within the next month but if I knew it would be this time next year I would sign up for that as well.
Are the people unhappy people who matter? Is the AD unhappy?
Besides the chatter on these boards coming from the same small group of people over and over again I have not read one media story since the NY Post article in January. During this month there were several credible stories with credible sources stating that Lavin's contract was being extended.
You can believe what you want, but there is tension in this equation. Contract extension discussions will be interesting.
Monasch is done at SJU.
The main guy responsible for paying Lavin's salary is so disgusted with him he wants Lavin out and a former player hired.
Once a new president and a new AD are in place it will be interesting to see what happens like paultz said.
It may not be this season but if we are having this conversation next year at this time and we are looking for a new coach i would not be shocked at all.
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How would Danny Hurley be perceived?
I don't think the bad feelings between St Johns and his father would be an issue but Hurley is unproven as a coach at this point. I personally would not have any issues with him should the job open
I am intrigued by Danny Hurley too, but I dont know if he won enough at URI this year though.
I know this may not be popular, but if Lavin left, i say put the full court press on Jim Calhoun.
After Calhoun, go after Pitino's son. Here is his current contract structure at Minnesota:
http://deadspin.com/heres-richard-pitinos-minnesota-contract-complete-wi-470877141/all (http://deadspin.com/heres-richard-pitinos-minnesota-contract-complete-wi-470877141/all)
IMO this contract can be matched - since we dont have big time football and hockey just give him seasons tickets to the Giants and Rangers (or Knicks if he wants that).
You can argue that Minnesota is in the Big 10 but it is also in Minnesota. NYC is a better destination than Minnesota.
Pitino's kid is not leaving Minnesota for St John's. Keep dreaming. And Calhoun won't come either but if he would you'd have to find a competent coach in waiting to add to the staff with him a la Larry Brown and SMU
If this were hypothetically a real scenario, they'd take the first flight to Queens. Not even a debate. Additionally Richard Pitino would be my clear cut #1 choice.
However nothing is going to happen and everything is status quo.
Dave, just curious why you are so adamant that there wont be a coaching change?
I understand that we do not have a president in place and we have a lame duck AD, but i do know that there are a lot of people who are very unhappy with the efforts of the current coach and the (lack of) results with the program.
To me, once SJU gets their act together with a president and AD, then this is not really far-fetched to me. I would prefer it to happen within the next month but if I knew it would be this time next year I would sign up for that as well.
Are the people unhappy people who matter? Is the AD unhappy?
Besides the chatter on these boards coming from the same small group of people over and over again I have not read one media story since the NY Post article in January. During this month there were several credible stories with credible sources stating that Lavin's contract was being extended.
You can believe what you want, but there is tension in this equation. Contract extension discussions will be interesting.
Monasch is done at SJU.
The main guy responsible for paying Lavin's salary is so disgusted with him he wants Lavin out and a former player hired.
Once a new president and a new AD are in place it will be interesting to see what happens like paultz said.
It may not be this season but if we are having this conversation next year at this time and we are looking for a new coach i would not be shocked at all.
Curious is that your opinion that the AD should be gone or you have heard rumors that he will leave once a new President is in? Losing a coach and AD so close to together along with all the other fires that need to be put out at SJU seems a lot for a new President...We are hoping that the President takes the BBall team serious once again which can be a big assumption....
The school has not had a full time President in almost a year which is concerning to me...I am really hoping that the search committee is taking their time and it's not candidates that are turning down the job.
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Here's what I don't understand: in the last go round we got turned down by Paul Hewitt and Seth Greenberg but now all of a sudden we would be able to lure little Pitino or Marshall or Shaka or some other big coach to come here? The program isn't in that better of shape than it was 4 years ago and the administration won't pony up the cash that these guys would be looking for. Makes 0 sense. We need to accept where this program is in the college basketball landscape
We didn't get turned down by Hewitt...turned down by his wife and we were very fortunate...
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Here's what I don't understand: in the last go round we got turned down by Paul Hewitt and Seth Greenberg but now all of a sudden we would be able to lure little Pitino or Marshall or Shaka or some other big coach to come here? The program isn't in that better of shape than it was 4 years ago and the administration won't pony up the cash that these guys would be looking for. Makes 0 sense. We need to accept where this program is in the college basketball landscape
We didn't get turned down by Hewitt...turned down by his wife and we were very fortunate...
I agree he wouldn't have been the best option but hard to imagine the program being in worse shape than it is now if he got the job instead of Lavin.
Point is we are a mediocre team in a mediocre conference. We don't pay that well. The NYC draw is a fraction of what it used to be. We aren't in a position to steal the hot coach from the strong conference or the superhot coach that has already turned down programs better than ours
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Here's what I don't understand: in the last go round we got turned down by Paul Hewitt and Seth Greenberg but now all of a sudden we would be able to lure little Pitino or Marshall or Shaka or some other big coach to come here? The program isn't in that better of shape than it was 4 years ago and the administration won't pony up the cash that these guys would be looking for. Makes 0 sense. We need to accept where this program is in the college basketball landscape
We didn't get turned down by Hewitt...turned down by his wife and we were very fortunate...
I agree he wouldn't have been the best option but hard to imagine the program being in worse shape than it is now if he got the job instead of Lavin.
Point is we are a mediocre team in a mediocre conference. We don't pay that well. The NYC draw is a fraction of what it used to be. We aren't in a position to steal the hot coach from the strong conference or the superhot coach that has already turned down programs better than ours
100% agree. Which is why you look for the guy who is going to be the next big thing, before he's in high demand. Archie miller and Shaka aren't available to us anymore.
My main man OA, is. As is damaged goods Maisello, and Hurley. If we wait till Lavins contract expires these guys will be at big programs.
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Here's what I don't understand: in the last go round we got turned down by Paul Hewitt and Seth Greenberg but now all of a sudden we would be able to lure little Pitino or Marshall or Shaka or some other big coach to come here? The program isn't in that better of shape than it was 4 years ago and the administration won't pony up the cash that these guys would be looking for. Makes 0 sense. We need to accept where this program is in the college basketball landscape
We didn't get turned down by Hewitt...turned down by his wife and we were very fortunate...
I agree he wouldn't have been the best option but hard to imagine the program being in worse shape than it is now if he got the job instead of Lavin.
Point is we are a mediocre team in a mediocre conference. We don't pay that well. The NYC draw is a fraction of what it used to be. We aren't in a position to steal the hot coach from the strong conference or the superhot coach that has already turned down programs better than ours
100% agree. Which is why you look for the guy who is going to be the next big thing, before he's in high demand. Archie miller and Shaka aren't available to us anymore.
My main man OA, is. As is damaged goods Maisello, and Hurley. If we wait till Lavins contract expires these guys will be at big programs.
Bingo. There seems to be a belief by this fanbase that only a big name will be able to win here. Really good coaches don't just start out at bigtime programs. Beilein was at Canisius and Richmond before going bigtime. Bo Ryan was in D2 and then UW Milwaukee before Wisc. Billy Donovan was at Marshall and the list goes on and on. I don't think we are a destination school anymore. Nothing wrong with us going after the up and coming young coach from the MAAC or A10 and hoping he gives us some sustained success before moving on to bigger and better
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Here's what I don't understand: in the last go round we got turned down by Paul Hewitt and Seth Greenberg but now all of a sudden we would be able to lure little Pitino or Marshall or Shaka or some other big coach to come here? The program isn't in that better of shape than it was 4 years ago and the administration won't pony up the cash that these guys would be looking for. Makes 0 sense. We need to accept where this program is in the college basketball landscape
We didn't get turned down by Hewitt...turned down by his wife and we were very fortunate...
I agree he wouldn't have been the best option but hard to imagine the program being in worse shape than it is now if he got the job instead of Lavin.
Point is we are a mediocre team in a mediocre conference. We don't pay that well. The NYC draw is a fraction of what it used to be. We aren't in a position to steal the hot coach from the strong conference or the superhot coach that has already turned down programs better than ours
100% agree. Which is why you look for the guy who is going to be the next big thing, before he's in high demand. Archie miller and Shaka aren't available to us anymore.
My main man OA, is. As is damaged goods Maisello, and Hurley. If we wait till Lavins contract expires these guys will be at big programs.
Bingo. There seems to be a belief by this fanbase that only a big name will be able to win here. Really good coaches don't just start out at bigtime programs. Beilein was at Canisius and Richmond before going bigtime. Bo Ryan was in D2 and then UW Milwaukee before Wisc. Billy Donovan was at Marshall and the list goes on and on. I don't think we are a destination school anymore. Nothing wrong with us going after the up and coming young coach from the MAAC or A10 and hoping he gives us some sustained success before moving on to bigger and better
Absolutely right.
But I've heard posters say we can't take that risk. Why? We're exactly the kind of program that can afford to take the risk - we have nothing to lose. Marquette, shouldn't take a risk. They could really drop off from the level of success they've had. We, we have nothing to lose.
we need an AD who has an eye for talent. Go interview these young coaches and find the one you fall in love with. The young hungry guy who knocks your socks off.
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Here's what I don't understand: in the last go round we got turned down by Paul Hewitt and Seth Greenberg but now all of a sudden we would be able to lure little Pitino or Marshall or Shaka or some other big coach to come here? The program isn't in that better of shape than it was 4 years ago and the administration won't pony up the cash that these guys would be looking for. Makes 0 sense. We need to accept where this program is in the college basketball landscape
We didn't get turned down by Hewitt...turned down by his wife and we were very fortunate...
I agree he wouldn't have been the best option but hard to imagine the program being in worse shape than it is now if he got the job instead of Lavin.
Point is we are a mediocre team in a mediocre conference. We don't pay that well. The NYC draw is a fraction of what it used to be. We aren't in a position to steal the hot coach from the strong conference or the superhot coach that has already turned down programs better than ours
Can we stop with this? Things could be far worse. Did we forget the last decade? People are acting as though we finished last in conference.
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How would Danny Hurley be perceived?
I don't think the bad feelings between St Johns and his father would be an issue but Hurley is unproven as a coach at this point. I personally would not have any issues with him should the job open
I am intrigued by Danny Hurley too, but I dont know if he won enough at URI this year though.
I know this may not be popular, but if Lavin left, i say put the full court press on Jim Calhoun.
After Calhoun, go after Pitino's son. Here is his current contract structure at Minnesota:
http://deadspin.com/heres-richard-pitinos-minnesota-contract-complete-wi-470877141/all (http://deadspin.com/heres-richard-pitinos-minnesota-contract-complete-wi-470877141/all)
IMO this contract can be matched - since we dont have big time football and hockey just give him seasons tickets to the Giants and Rangers (or Knicks if he wants that).
You can argue that Minnesota is in the Big 10 but it is also in Minnesota. NYC is a better destination than Minnesota.
Pitino's kid is not leaving Minnesota for St John's. Keep dreaming. And Calhoun won't come either but if he would you'd have to find a competent coach in waiting to add to the staff with him a la Larry Brown and SMU
I think Pitino would jump at a chance to come to New York
Not if his father has anything to say about it.
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Here's what I don't understand: in the last go round we got turned down by Paul Hewitt and Seth Greenberg but now all of a sudden we would be able to lure little Pitino or Marshall or Shaka or some other big coach to come here? The program isn't in that better of shape than it was 4 years ago and the administration won't pony up the cash that these guys would be looking for. Makes 0 sense. We need to accept where this program is in the college basketball landscape
We didn't get turned down by Hewitt...turned down by his wife and we were very fortunate...
I agree he wouldn't have been the best option but hard to imagine the program being in worse shape than it is now if he got the job instead of Lavin.
Point is we are a mediocre team in a mediocre conference. We don't pay that well. The NYC draw is a fraction of what it used to be. We aren't in a position to steal the hot coach from the strong conference or the superhot coach that has already turned down programs better than ours
Can we stop with this? Things could be far worse. Did we forget the last decade? People are acting as though we finished last in conference.
Again, why is finishing tied for 3rd in a mediocre conference some sort of accomplishment? We won 20 games against the Longwoods, Columbias and Seton Halls of the world. whoody doo. We went 2-9 against teams that made the tournament. And things are looking down, not up. So yeah, hard to imagine things would be any worse under a guy like Hewitt.
Forgot to mention that Christian Jones is the only guy on the current roster that will still be on the team for the 15-16 season. Think about that and tell me it could be worse
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The last good coach SJU contemplated was Jack Curran when Louie went t the Nets. Too bad, probably would have been great but Curran wanted no part of it. Louie was a good, not great, coach: good recruiter, awful record in the torneys. Future looks bleak, this job is the kiss of death. I hate to say it but Lavin may be as good as it gets.
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Go interview these young coaches and find the one you fall in love with. The young hungry guy who knocks your socks off.
Exactly. We need a home run interview like Norm Roberts.
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Go interview these young coaches and find the one you fall in love with. The young hungry guy who knocks your socks off.
Exactly. We need a home run interview like Norm Roberts.
I knew there was a reason I liked you...LOL!!!
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We would have been in fantastic shape right now had we hired Bob McKillop any of the last three times he interviewed. Next time around, I hope we go after the next Mckillop ie. somebody that can both coach well and builds a team that is smart and cohesive.
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We would have been in fantastic shape right now had we hired Bob McKillop any of the last three times he interviewed. Next time around, I hope we go after the next Mckillop ie. somebody that can both coach well and builds a team that is smart and cohesive.
I wouldn't mind McKillop. He's a solid coach that knows how to build a program. He's at the stage in his career where he has one go-round with a bigger conference program in him. If he's successful he'd stay until it was time to retire rather than leave for a better program
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Not if his father has anything to say about it.
He's 31. Time to cut the umbilical cord if there still is one.
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How would Danny Hurley be perceived?
I don't think the bad feelings between St Johns and his father would be an issue but Hurley is unproven as a coach at this point. I personally would not have any issues with him should the job open
I am intrigued by Danny Hurley too, but I dont know if he won enough at URI this year though.
I know this may not be popular, but if Lavin left, i say put the full court press on Jim Calhoun.
After Calhoun, go after Pitino's son. Here is his current contract structure at Minnesota:
http://deadspin.com/heres-richard-pitinos-minnesota-contract-complete-wi-470877141/all (http://deadspin.com/heres-richard-pitinos-minnesota-contract-complete-wi-470877141/all)
IMO this contract can be matched - since we dont have big time football and hockey just give him seasons tickets to the Giants and Rangers (or Knicks if he wants that).
You can argue that Minnesota is in the Big 10 but it is also in Minnesota. NYC is a better destination than Minnesota.
Pitino's kid is not leaving Minnesota for St John's. Keep dreaming. And Calhoun won't come either but if he would you'd have to find a competent coach in waiting to add to the staff with him a la Larry Brown and SMU
If this were hypothetically a real scenario, they'd take the first flight to Queens. Not even a debate. Additionally Richard Pitino would be my clear cut #1 choice.
However nothing is going to happen and everything is status quo.
Dave, just curious why you are so adamant that there wont be a coaching change?
I understand that we do not have a president in place and we have a lame duck AD, but i do know that there are a lot of people who are very unhappy with the efforts of the current coach and the (lack of) results with the program.
To me, once SJU gets their act together with a president and AD, then this is not really far-fetched to me. I would prefer it to happen within the next month but if I knew it would be this time next year I would sign up for that as well.
Are the people unhappy people who matter? Is the AD unhappy?
Besides the chatter on these boards coming from the same small group of people over and over again I have not read one media story since the NY Post article in January. During this month there were several credible stories with credible sources stating that Lavin's contract was being extended.
You can believe what you want, but there is tension in this equation. Contract extension discussions will be interesting.
Monasch is done at SJU.
The main guy responsible for paying Lavin's salary is so disgusted with him he wants Lavin out and a former player hired.
Once a new president and a new AD are in place it will be interesting to see what happens like paultz said.
It may not be this season but if we are having this conversation next year at this time and we are looking for a new coach i would not be shocked at all.
If the new president is like the old president he or she may not even know we have a basketball team. Thanks for the response. We'll see how things continue to develop over the coming weeks. College hoops is anything but stable - across all programs.
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Probably just chatter, but from twitter site two days ago;
@CoachingChanges: Steve Lavin is snooping
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I am a supporter of Lav but if a change is going to be made right now is the absolute best time. We have no recruits signed so nothing to worry about in terms of losing commitments, we would have a new coach and stability for '15 and'16 recruits. Also, if we get a current head coach with signed commits there is a chance we get those guys to come over for this year.
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Probably just chatter, but from twitter site two days ago;
@CoachingChanges: Steve Lavin is snooping
This isn't all that surprising.
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I'm sure Lavin is interested but I would be shocked if Cal gave him the job.
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Here's what I don't understand: in the last go round we got turned down by Paul Hewitt and Seth Greenberg but now all of a sudden we would be able to lure little Pitino or Marshall or Shaka or some other big coach to come here? The program isn't in that better of shape than it was 4 years ago and the administration won't pony up the cash that these guys would be looking for. Makes 0 sense. We need to accept where this program is in the college basketball landscape
We didn't get turned down by Hewitt...turned down by his wife and we were very fortunate...
I agree he wouldn't have been the best option but hard to imagine the program being in worse shape than it is now if he got the job instead of Lavin.
Point is we are a mediocre team in a mediocre conference. We don't pay that well. The NYC draw is a fraction of what it used to be. We aren't in a position to steal the hot coach from the strong conference or the superhot coach that has already turned down programs better than ours
Can we stop with this? Things could be far worse. Did we forget the last decade? People are acting as though we finished last in conference.
Plus, as kob, chudney and boo plus others have mentioned recently, if the staff gets Chieck/Briscoe on board for '15, that'll put all this talk in a different direction.
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Here's what I don't understand: in the last go round we got turned down by Paul Hewitt and Seth Greenberg but now all of a sudden we would be able to lure little Pitino or Marshall or Shaka or some other big coach to come here? The program isn't in that better of shape than it was 4 years ago and the administration won't pony up the cash that these guys would be looking for. Makes 0 sense. We need to accept where this program is in the college basketball landscape
We didn't get turned down by Hewitt...turned down by his wife and we were very fortunate...
I agree he wouldn't have been the best option but hard to imagine the program being in worse shape than it is now if he got the job instead of Lavin.
Point is we are a mediocre team in a mediocre conference. We don't pay that well. The NYC draw is a fraction of what it used to be. We aren't in a position to steal the hot coach from the strong conference or the superhot coach that has already turned down programs better than ours
Can we stop with this? Things could be far worse. Did we forget the last decade? People are acting as though we finished last in conference.
Plus, as kob, chudney and boo plus others have mentioned recently, if the staff gets Chieck/Briscoe on board for '15, that'll put all this talk in a different direction.
15??? Check out next years roster. Jones at 6'7 will be our tallest, next would be Pointer at 6'5.
At this point I doubt ADR would want to join a sinking ship
And here`s this: @JayOn_1: 2 more players could leave the program also as a result of CO leaving
Is one Jordan? Next year we could be back to where we were during Lavins second year.
This is really sad and disgusting. He needs to go NOW.
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@MikeVacc: St. John's is crazy if it's still pondering that 6-year extension with Steve Lavin. The program is in disarray and that's on him. #sjubb
@MikeVacc: @BrandonTierney Might help if the coach knew the name or phone number of even one NYC high school coach ...
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Is Lavin's real Miyagi, Mike Jarvis? :-\
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I haven't been this pissed off about our program in a really long time.
FIRE THIS MAN NOW. WE NEED TO RUN HIM OUT OF TOWN.
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I haven't been this pissed off about our program in a really long time.
FIRE THIS MAN NOW. WE NEED TO RUN HIM OUT OF TOWN.
This is the same thing with every coach it seems.
We get a new coach, give him time.
By year 4 or 5 we`re pissed off and need a new coach. New coach same old crap.
One suggestion too, if a coach calls and says he`s available, TURN HIM DOWN.
Remember Jarvis called us and what happened with him? Now this crap with Lavin.
I really envy those schools that win with the same coach year after year. We need the right coach next, please.
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I haven't been this pissed off about our program in a really long time.
FIRE THIS MAN NOW. WE NEED TO RUN HIM OUT OF TOWN.
This is the same thing with every coach it seems.
We get a new coach, give him time.
By year 4 or 5 we`re pissed off and need a new coach. New coach same old crap.
I really envy those schools that win with the same coach year after year. We need the right coach next, please.
Since most coaches receive 5-6 deals in their first contract, let's look at how many DI Major Conf coaches are with the same school more than 8 years - only 18 out of approx. 80 (longest tenure first):
Boeheim
K
Izzo
Donovan
Barnes
Stallings
Brey
Pitino
Wright
Ryan
Hamilton
Romar
Drew
Self
Roy
Dixon
JTIII
Matta
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wow, this is crazy. Is this almost a repeat of the Jarvis years? I've never seen coaches lose interest in their jobs or a program as these 2 did.
The lack of effort is astounding!!! You really have to look at the administration as the ones at fault. There is something inherently wrong for this to have happened multiple times now.
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This is an absolute disaster. We go from the most talented team in the Big East to the least. How Lavin didn't prepare a 14' recruiting class to at least blunt the threat of transfers/defections is beyond me. Now we are looking at kids from Westchester Community college to replace a guy like Jakarr Sampson?
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Imo, go hire a guy for half the price that knows how to coach and spends his life sitting in gyms looking for talent. Like I said, Mckillop wasn't the sexy name in the last several hires, but we'd have been thriving now. We don't need a big name. We need somebody who has fire and knows basketbsll. This roster turnover is absurd.
Gimme a guy like Ed Cooley who is tireless, loves his city and who wants to build a program the right way.
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Imo, go hire a guy for half the price that knows how to coach and spends his life sitting in gyms looking for talent. Like I said, Mckillop wasn't the sexy name in the last several hires, but we'd have been thriving now. We don't need a big name. We need somebody who has fire and knows basketbsll. This roster turnover is absurd.
Gimme a guy like Ed Cooley who is tireless, loves his city and who wants to build a program the right way.
Cooley was underestimated by many, and has pushed on despite some set backs he experienced in recruiting and with his squad.
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I have actually stuck up for this guy lately. He needs to go!
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Imo, go hire a guy for half the price that knows how to coach and spends his life sitting in gyms looking for talent. Like I said, Mckillop wasn't the sexy name in the last several hires, but we'd have been thriving now. We don't need a big name. We need somebody who has fire and knows basketbsll. This roster turnover is absurd.
Gimme a guy like Ed Cooley who is tireless, loves his city and who wants to build a program the right way.
+10000
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Imo, go hire a guy for half the price that knows how to coach and spends his life sitting in gyms looking for talent. Like I said, Mckillop wasn't the sexy name in the last several hires, but we'd have been thriving now. We don't need a big name. We need somebody who has fire and knows basketbsll. This roster turnover is absurd.
Gimme a guy like Ed Cooley who is tireless, loves his city and who wants to build a program the right way.
Cooley was underestimated by many, and has pushed on despite some set backs he experienced in recruiting and with his squad.
I'd rather hire the underestimated guy who builds this the right way. They tried it with Norm, but problem was the the couldn't coach. There are guys out there that can. We haven't hired a good coach since Louie was here, and that's the problem.
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@MikeVacc: @BrandonTierney Might help if the coach knew the name or phone number of even one NYC high school coach ...
Are you FN kidding me?!?!?!?! Jarvea part duex. Can't make this stuff up. To hear that is more disappointing than anything.
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This looks like a repeat of 2011 we can barely field a team. Inexcusable at this time. Maybe you can't blame Lavin for COs departure, but you certainly can blame him for 0 recruits and the discontent of the players.
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What are all you guys kevetching about? Even after our last scholarship player deserts the program Lavin is sure to field the greatest all walkon team ever. We will win over 20 games and make a deep run in the NCAA T. Even now Lavs is scouring the intermural games and Marillac cafeteria for players. There, have I finally got this right now?
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What are all you guys kevetching about? Even after our last scholarship player deserts the program Lavin is sure to field the greatest all walkon team ever. We will win over 20 games and make a deep run in the NCAA T. Even now Lavs is scouring the intermural games and Marillac cafeteria for players. There, have I finally got this right now?
What are all you guys kevetching about? Even after our last scholarship player deserts the program Lavin is sure to field the greatest all walkon team ever. We will win over 20 games and make a deep run in the NCAA T. Even now Lavs is scouring the intermural games and Marillac cafeteria for players. There, have I finally got this right now?
What are all you guys kevetching about? Even after our last scholarship player deserts the program Lavin is sure to field the greatest all walkon team ever. We will win over 20 games and make a deep run in the NCAA T. Even now Lavs is scouring the intermural games and Marillac cafeteria for players. There, have I finally got this right now?
Is there an NCAA rule that prohibits woman from playing. If not we could always raid the woman's team.LOl
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The sad thing is we could have had Dunlap.
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Imo, go hire a guy for half the price that knows how to coach and spends his life sitting in gyms looking for talent. Like I said, Mckillop wasn't the sexy name in the last several hires, but we'd have been thriving now. We don't need a big name. We need somebody who has fire and knows basketbsll. This roster turnover is absurd.
Gimme a guy like Ed Cooley who is tireless, loves his city and who wants to build a program the right way.
Cooley was underestimated by many, and has pushed on despite some set backs he experienced in recruiting and with his squad.
Boy did he get beat up on this site.
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Imo, go hire a guy for half the price that knows how to coach and spends his life sitting in gyms looking for talent. Like I said, Mckillop wasn't the sexy name in the last several hires, but we'd have been thriving now. We don't need a big name. We need somebody who has fire and knows basketbsll. This roster turnover is absurd.
Gimme a guy like Ed Cooley who is tireless, loves his city and who wants to build a program the right way.
Cooley was underestimated by many, and has pushed on despite some set backs he experienced in recruiting and with his squad.
Boy did he get beat up on this site.
Yeah, I owe him an apology myself. Cooley is no-nonsense and can coach too. He isn't going to make excuses nor take recruiting seasons off.
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Imo, go hire a guy for half the price that knows how to coach and spends his life sitting in gyms looking for talent. Like I said, Mckillop wasn't the sexy name in the last several hires, but we'd have been thriving now. We don't need a big name. We need somebody who has fire and knows basketbsll. This roster turnover is absurd.
Gimme a guy like Ed Cooley who is tireless, loves his city and who wants to build a program the right way.
Cooley was underestimated by many, and has pushed on despite some set backs he experienced in recruiting and with his squad.
Boy did he get beat up on this site.
Yeah, I owe him an apology myself. Cooley is no-nonsense and can coach too. He isn't going to make excuses nor take recruiting seasons off.
shurinaCheese got beat up to, are you going to apologize to him too? :)
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Blood in the water;
http://nypost.com/2014/04/03/note-to-st-johns-lavin-hasnt-earned-an-extension-yet/ (http://nypost.com/2014/04/03/note-to-st-johns-lavin-hasnt-earned-an-extension-yet/)
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Blood in the water;
http://nypost.com/2014/04/03/note-to-st-johns-lavin-hasnt-earned-an-extension-yet/ (http://nypost.com/2014/04/03/note-to-st-johns-lavin-hasnt-earned-an-extension-yet/)
Blood in the water? Powderpuff in the water:
"Dabbling with prosperity .... Nobody is clamoring for his exile ... Lavin’s first four years certainly have earned him two more."
Can'r blame Vaccaro for not knowing what's going on, SJ is irrelevant. He has no reason to pay attention.
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So now we have 2 years on pins and needles waiting to see:
1. If anyone else transfers.
2. We can field a full team for 14-15 that is not filled with walkons.
3. If admin buys out a negotiated contract.
4. We somehow sign the right coach.
5. We don't blow the 14-15 recruiting class.
This place is freaking unbelievable !
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What are all you guys kevetching about? Even after our last scholarship player deserts the program Lavin is sure to field the greatest all walkon team ever. We will win over 20 games and make a deep run in the NCAA T. Even now Lavs is scouring the intermural games and Marillac cafeteria for players. There, have I finally got this right now?
What are all you guys kevetching about? Even after our last scholarship player deserts the program Lavin is sure to field the greatest all walkon team ever. We will win over 20 games and make a deep run in the NCAA T. Even now Lavs is scouring the intermural games and Marillac cafeteria for players. There, have I finally got this right now?
What are all you guys kevetching about? Even after our last scholarship player deserts the program Lavin is sure to field the greatest all walkon team ever. We will win over 20 games and make a deep run in the NCAA T. Even now Lavs is scouring the intermural games and Marillac cafeteria for players. There, have I finally got this right now?
Is there an NCAA rule that prohibits woman from playing. If not we could always raid the woman's team.LOl
Obviously no such rule...did you watch them rebound last year?
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@CoachMikeDunlap: When excuses become your reason for losing then it is time to find the nearest mirror.
Quite relevant. Step up Coach L. & turn this around.
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@CoachMikeDunlap: When excuses become your reason for losing then it is time to find the nearest mirror.
Quite relevant. Step up Coach L. & turn this around.
I'm pretty sure Lavin already spends a lot of time looking in the mirror.
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@CoachMikeDunlap: When excuses become your reason for losing then it is time to find the nearest mirror.
Quite relevant. Step up Coach L. & turn this around.
I'm pretty sure Lavin already spends a lot of time looking in the mirror.
Lavin has better hair and metaphors than Brian Mahoney, but outside of that, that's who he looks like.
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Rex chapman stealing baldis material calling cal to the lakers a lock.
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Brian was Louie's frontman in Recruiting and did a good job.. And, he did, along with Rutledge, got Felipe, Zendon, etc TO PLAY HERE..
The problem was widely known, that Brian had failed badly at Coaching Manhattan and really wasn't up to Louie's job. It showed when he did nothing with a team loaded with MCD All Americans.. from a talent standpoint..
Fran did a little better with Felipe's team but, not up to the expectations heralded in their freshman year.
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@CoachMikeDunlap: When excuses become your reason for losing then it is time to find the nearest mirror.
Quite relevant. Step up Coach L. & turn this around.
I'm pretty sure Lavin already spends a lot of time looking in the mirror.
Lavin has better hair and metaphors than Brian Mahoney, but outside of that, that's who he looks like.
Lavin is looking a little rough these days:
(http://cdn.cnwimg.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/danny-koker-net-worth.jpg)
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Saw on some of the Cats boards that fans don't believe it... and you'll never guess why:
Because they don't believe the AD and Cal would've let Antigua leave if Cal was really going to step down. They presume he's the heir to the throne.
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I know Antigua has some supporters on this board, but I find it ludicrous that he's viewed as anything greater than seventh in line for the throne. There's only a handful of guys who wouldn't bother to hear what Kentucky had to say if approached by them.
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Still waiting for baldis statement of fact to come true. Done deal
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Still waiting for baldis statement of fact to come true. Done deal
Need to hire a president first. r. Inept from top to bottom
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Still waiting for baldis statement of fact to come true. Done deal
Need to hire a president first. r. Inept from top to bottom
You used the words done deal. Do you know the definition of done deal? Now you are back tracking. Stop posting in absolutes and I won't have issues with your posts.
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Still waiting for baldis statement of fact to come true. Done deal
Need to hire a president first. r. Inept from top to bottom
You used the words done deal. Do you know the definition of done deal? Now you are back tracking. Stop posting in absolutes and I won't have issues with your posts.
Give him a minute, he needs to look up "absolutes."
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Still waiting for baldis statement of fact to come true. Done deal
Need to hire a president first. r. Inept from top to bottom
You used the words done deal. Do you know the definition of done deal? Now you are back tracking. Stop posting in absolutes and I won't have issues with your posts.
Give him a minute, he needs to look up "absolutes."
Right after I look up idontgivearatsarse
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Still waiting for baldis statement of fact to come true. Done deal
Need to hire a president first. r. Inept from top to bottom
You used the words done deal. Do you know the definition of done deal? Now you are back tracking. Stop posting in absolutes and I won't have issues with your posts.
Give him a minute, he needs to look up "absolutes."
Right after I look up idontgivearatsarse
OK it took you 39 minutes. Sue me.
The People At Iona...
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Still waiting for baldis statement of fact to come true. Done deal
Need to hire a president first. r. Inept from top to bottom
You used the words done deal. Do you know the definition of done deal? Now you are back tracking. Stop posting in absolutes and I won't have issues with your posts.
Give him a minute, he needs to look up "absolutes."
Right after I look up idontgivearatsarse
OK it took you 39 minutes. Sue me.
The People At Iona...
Was dropping a deuce
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Still waiting for baldis statement of fact to come true. Done deal
Need to hire a president first. r. Inept from top to bottom
You used the words done deal. Do you know the definition of done deal? Now you are back tracking. Stop posting in absolutes and I won't have issues with your posts.
Give him a minute, he needs to look up "absolutes."
Right after I look up idontgivearatsarse
OK it took you 39 minutes. Sue me.
The People At Iona...
Was dropping a deuce
OK so that accounts for 20 minutes, the other 19 minutes was in front of google.
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Still waiting for baldis statement of fact to come true. Done deal
Need to hire a president first. r. Inept from top to bottom
You used the words done deal. Do you know the definition of done deal? Now you are back tracking. Stop posting in absolutes and I won't have issues with your posts.
Give him a minute, he needs to look up "absolutes."
Right after I look up idontgivearatsarse
OK it took you 39 minutes. Sue me.
The People At Iona...
Was dropping a deuce
OK so that accounts for 20 minutes, the other 19 minutes was in front of google.
Porn and some candy crush
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Cal looking at 3 finalists for the job: current assistant Travis DeCuire, UC Irvine Coach Russell Turner and Arizona Assistant Joe Pasternack.
http://www.californiagoldenblogs.com/2014/4/9/5598154/joe-pasternack-arizona-wildcats-basketball (http://www.californiagoldenblogs.com/2014/4/9/5598154/joe-pasternack-arizona-wildcats-basketball)
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Still waiting for baldis statement of fact to come true. Done deal
Need to hire a president first. r. Inept from top to bottom
You used the words done deal. Do you know the definition of done deal? Now you are back tracking. Stop posting in absolutes and I won't have issues with your posts.
Give him a minute, he needs to look up "absolutes."
Right after I look up idontgivearatsarse
OK it took you 39 minutes. Sue me.
The People At Iona...
Was dropping a deuce
OK so that accounts for 20 minutes, the other 19 minutes was in front of google.
Porn and some candy crush
Now we know where you get your rumors from.
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Still waiting for baldis statement of fact to come true. Done deal
Need to hire a president first. r. Inept from top to bottom
You used the words done deal. Do you know the definition of done deal? Now you are back tracking. Stop posting in absolutes and I won't have issues with your posts.
Give him a minute, he needs to look up "absolutes."
Right after I look up idontgivearatsarse
OK it took you 39 minutes. Sue me.
The People At Iona...
Was dropping a deuce
OK so that accounts for 20 minutes, the other 19 minutes was in front of google.
Porn and some candy crush
Now we know where you get your rumors from.
Shots fired!
Baldi, don't get bullied.
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Still waiting for baldis statement of fact to come true. Done deal
Need to hire a president first. r. Inept from top to bottom
You used the words done deal. Do you know the definition of done deal? Now you are back tracking. Stop posting in absolutes and I won't have issues with your posts.
Give him a minute, he needs to look up "absolutes."
Right after I look up idontgivearatsarse
OK it took you 39 minutes. Sue me.
The People At Iona...
Was dropping a deuce
OK so that accounts for 20 minutes, the other 19 minutes was in front of google.
Porn and some candy crush
that was pretty funny Baldi. lol
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Cal looking at 3 finalists for the job: current assistant Travis DeCuire, UC Irvine Coach Russell Turner and Arizona Assistant Joe Pasternack.
http://www.californiagoldenblogs.com/2014/4/9/5598154/joe-pasternack-arizona-wildcats-basketball (http://www.californiagoldenblogs.com/2014/4/9/5598154/joe-pasternack-arizona-wildcats-basketball)
That sucks... I was hoping our luck would turn.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Roselle Catholic coaches clinic tomorrow to feature Steve Lavin, Kevin Ollie, Larry Brown. Great list of coaches put together by Dave Boff.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Roselle Catholic coaches clinic tomorrow to feature Steve Lavin, Kevin Ollie, Larry Brown. Great list of coaches put together by Dave Boff.
Let's hope Lavin pays attention. It's never to late to learn.
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Hey man, Lavin got star billing in the clinic!
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@NYPost_Brazille: Roselle Catholic coaches clinic tomorrow to feature Steve Lavin, Kevin Ollie, Larry Brown. Great list of coaches put together by Dave Boff.
Let's hope Lavin pays attention. It's never to late to learn.
+1
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Hey man, Lavin got star billing in the clinic!
He is got to build up his resume at this point.
He is set to lose his job in the next week or so and getting his name out there (like being on Fox during the Final Four) and make people believe he is recruiting and going to Roselle will help him land another job.
Trust me, I know what I am talking about.
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Hey man, Lavin got star billing in the clinic!
He is got to build up his resume at this point.
He is set to lose his job in the next week or so and getting his name out there (like being on Fox during the Final Four) and make people believe he is recruiting and going to Roselle will help him land another job.
Trust me, I know what I am talking about.
I'm sorry, I can't read 15 pages of banter about porn and dropping deuces and the coach that got away. Is it me, or are two posters here seriously claiming Lavin is about to be fired/resign?
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Hey man, Lavin got star billing in the clinic!
He is got to build up his resume at this point.
He is set to lose his job in the next week or so and getting his name out there (like being on Fox during the Final Four) and make people believe he is recruiting and going to Roselle will help him land another job.
Trust me, I know what I am talking about.
Fordham, ( not that the kid is going to be Kareem ) but after bringing in this kid and supposedly a top rebounder etc, do you really think they will fire him ?. Just asking . And who the hell do they think they're going to hire. Lavin fell in their lap. They'd tell Wooden to go take a crap.
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We really need to add a sarcasm emoticon
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@NYPost_Brazille: Roselle Catholic coaches clinic tomorrow to feature Steve Lavin, Kevin Ollie, Larry Brown. Great list of coaches put together by Dave Boff.
Lavin there to give a tutorial on how to take recruiting seasons off.
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We really need to add a sarcasm emoticon
Or someone with less subtle sarcasm when doing a Baldi impersonation.
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Back from a self -imposed exile from this place....
So.... who is the new coach?
Where did Phil, Obekpa, D-lo, and Jordan transfer off to?
Where did the sky land when it was falling?
I figured this place had all the answers?
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Look inside the Crystal Baldi
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Potential positive news coming... Baldina's posts decrease exponentially.
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Saliva tests for anyone who took this thread seriously and extended it out for 15 pages.
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Truth be told the ship did appear that it was sinking. But, I gotta give Lavin credit. he seems to be working his tail off. And what appeared a couple weeks ago ,that we barely would be able to field a team ,now looks like we might be able to put a nice product on the floor next year, when all is said and done.
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Saliva tests for anyone who took this thread seriously and extended it out for 15 pages.
Guess that would include you. ;D
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Saliva tests for anyone who took this thread seriously and extended it out for 15 pages.
Guess that would include you. ;D
"Took this thread seriously"
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Saliva tests for anyone who took this thread seriously and extended it out for 15 pages.
Guess that would include you. ;D
I'm scared to think what we'd find in his saliva.
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Saliva tests for anyone who took this thread seriously and extended it out for 15 pages.
Guess that would include you. ;D
"Took this thread seriously"
If you post in it than YES you took it seriously! Motion denied counselor and I would admonish you not to interrupt these proceedings again! Gavel to rock! :)
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Potential positive news coming... Baldina's posts decrease exponentially.
Probably not. I'm not crying and leaving like some do here
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Nah, just got boring reading same regurgitated drivel .
One thing I did notice from taking a step back was how obvious the frauds are around here.
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Nah, just got boring reading same regurgitated drivel .
One thing I did notice from taking a step back was how obvious the frauds are around here.
Agreed
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Nah, just got boring reading same regurgitated drivel .
One thing I did notice from taking a step back was how obvious the frauds are around here.
Agreed
So teller of truth Baldi, you ever going to admit you were wrong and are the biggest fraud here? =)
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Nah, just got boring reading same regurgitated drivel .
One thing I did notice from taking a step back was how obvious the frauds are around here.
Agreed
So teller of truth Baldi, you ever going to admit you were wrong and are the biggest fraud here? =)
Where was I wrong? I posted what was told to me by someone a lot closer to the program than most of us, and I will continue to do so. I know for a fact, some posters here, who are respected more than me have heard the exact same. I post what I hear, be grateful that I do
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Nah, just got boring reading same regurgitated drivel .
One thing I did notice from taking a step back was how obvious the frauds are around here.
Agreed
So teller of truth Baldi, you ever going to admit you were wrong and are the biggest fraud here? =)
Where was I wrong? I posted what was told to me by someone a lot closer to the program than most of us, and I will continue to do so. I know for a fact, some posters here, who are respected more than me have heard the exact same. I post what I hear, be grateful that I do
Baldi also knows like cubs fans that SJU fans just wait for the next show to drop regarding bad news, suspension, strip bars and lunch money to recruits :)
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Hearing this is done deal. Time for both parties to move on. Get Massiello on the phone ASAP
What a gem of a post.
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Nah, just got boring reading same regurgitated drivel .
One thing I did notice from taking a step back was how obvious the frauds are around here.
Agreed
So teller of truth Baldi, you ever going to admit you were wrong and are the biggest fraud here? =)
Where was I wrong? I posted what was told to me by someone a lot closer to the program than most of us, and I will continue to do so. I know for a fact, some posters here, who are respected more than me have heard the exact same. I post what I hear, be grateful that I do
Um, the title of your thread is "Thanks Coach Lavin, good luck." That is pretty much saying he's gone. That's where you were wrong. You also used the words "done deal."
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No worries ladies. We can revisit this threAd after next season
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No worries ladies. We can revisit this threAd after next season
weaksauce Baldi...even for you. Time for a new inside source perhaps?
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Nah, just got boring reading same regurgitated drivel .
One thing I did notice from taking a step back was how obvious the frauds are around here.
Agreed
So teller of truth Baldi, you ever going to admit you were wrong and are the biggest fraud here? =)
Where was I wrong? I posted what was told to me by someone a lot closer to the program than most of us, and I will continue to do so. I know for a fact, some posters here, who are respected more than me have heard the exact same. I post what I hear, be grateful that I do
Would some of the "posters here" please step-up and confirm what Baldi had been hearing? That might put this to back and forth nonsense to rest. Thanks
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No worries ladies. We can revisit this threAd after next season
LOL can we just remember this thread the next time Baldi posts his rumors? Also he was positive Dlo was transferring. Wasn't Jordan transferring a "done deal" as well? I'm sure there are others I'm missing. This is the 3rd consecutive season Baldi's predicted Lavin's departure.
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All coaches eventually get fired, so , one day, he will show you all! Damnit!
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Hearing this is done deal. Time for both parties to move on. Get Massiello on the phone ASAP
What a gem of a post.
That post is about 3-4 years off - lol. Stranger things have happened...
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leave bluto alone, he keeps the boards interesting and everyone else posting and bickering.
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leave bluto alone, he keeps the boards interesting and everyone else posting and bickering.
Baldi = good lightning rod
Linda = malicious lightning rod
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leave bluto alone, he keeps the boards interesting and everyone else posting and bickering.
Disagree.
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Nah, just got boring reading same regurgitated drivel .
One thing I did notice from taking a step back was how obvious the frauds are around here.
Agreed
So teller of truth Baldi, you ever going to admit you were wrong and are the biggest fraud here? =)
Where was I wrong? I posted what was told to me by someone a lot closer to the program than most of us, and I will continue to do so. I know for a fact, some posters here, who are respected more than me have heard the exact same. I post what I hear, be grateful that I do
See, when Baldi says his sources are from guys a lot closer to the program than most of us, he means that literally. It was a guy on the train in Queens in a St. John's hat. Most of us don't live in Queens and therefore are further from the program.
Don't let these guys get you down, Baldi. You are my favorite debbie downer...at least you are funny.
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Wait, people still wear St. John's hats on trains!? :-)
Glad things are finally looking positive and here's to keeping those positive vibes going!
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I actually want Baldi to predict more guys leaving. He is a mush and always wrong! Winning the lottery sealed his fate. Hearing anything about Harrison, Baldi? Maybe Jordan is reconsidering?
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I actually want Baldi to predict more guys leaving. He is a mush and always wrong! Winning the lottery sealed his fate. Hearing anything about Harrison, Baldi? Maybe Jordan is reconsidering?
Does anyone know where tony Chiles was on Saturday? Serious question
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I actually want Baldi to predict more guys leaving. He is a mush and always wrong! Winning the lottery sealed his fate. Hearing anything about Harrison, Baldi? Maybe Jordan is reconsidering?
Does anyone know where tony Chiles was on Saturday? Serious question
40/40
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Nah, just got boring reading same regurgitated drivel .
One thing I did notice from taking a step back was how obvious the frauds are around here.
Agreed
So teller of truth Baldi, you ever going to admit you were wrong and are the biggest fraud here? =)
Where was I wrong? I posted what was told to me by someone a lot closer to the program than most of us, and I will continue to do so. I know for a fact, some posters here, who are respected more than me have heard the exact same. I post what I hear, be grateful that I do
Would some of the "posters here" please step-up and confirm what Baldi had been hearing? That might put this to back and forth nonsense to rest. Thanks
Baldi, sorry to burst all of your bubbles, was not blowing smoke. Lavin wasn't in LA for the reasons that were reported. He ended up staying, which is probably why he got off his butt and started recruiting again. Doesn't it seem odd to all of you that a week ago we had no recruits and we lost, what, 7 players? Try deductive reasoning instead of killing the messenger.
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I actually want Baldi to predict more guys leaving. He is a mush and always wrong! Winning the lottery sealed his fate. Hearing anything about Harrison, Baldi? Maybe Jordan is reconsidering?
Does anyone know where tony Chiles was on Saturday? Serious question
40/40
Ok thanks. During the day?
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I actually want Baldi to predict more guys leaving. He is a mush and always wrong! Winning the lottery sealed his fate. Hearing anything about Harrison, Baldi? Maybe Jordan is reconsidering?
Does anyone know where tony Chiles was on Saturday? Serious question
40/40
Ok thanks. During the day?
Idk, tell us
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leave bluto alone, he keeps the boards interesting and everyone else posting and bickering.
Baldi = good lightning rod
Linda = malicious lightning rod
Baldi feeds off the negative paranoia of st johns fans and loves screwing with you guys. It almost turns him into some sort of superhero of flamethrowing.
A successful SJU year ( not sure if we will ever see one again at this rate ) is like kryptonite and turns Baldi into a mere mortal like the rest of us
Baldi used to drive me crazy many years ago but it's all good now because having met him years ago now a lot of the time I can literally picture him behind the computer laughing his ass off for having pissed so many people off and I kind of think it's pretty funny myself.
And the guy has some pretty funny comebacks sometimes which really cracks me up
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I actually want Baldi to predict more guys leaving. He is a mush and always wrong! Winning the lottery sealed his fate. Hearing anything about Harrison, Baldi? Maybe Jordan is reconsidering?
Does anyone know where tony Chiles was on Saturday? Serious question
In Houston helping D'Lo unpack.
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leave bluto alone, he keeps the boards interesting and everyone else posting and bickering.
Baldi = good lightning rod
Linda = malicious lightning rod
Baldi feeds off the negative paranoia of st johns fans and loves screwing with you guys. It almost turns him into some sort of superhero of flamethrowing.
A successful SJU year ( not sure if we will ever see one again at this rate ) is like kryptonite and turns Baldi into a mere mortal like the rest of us
Baldi used to drive me crazy many years ago but it's all good now because having met him years ago now a lot of the time I can literally picture him behind the computer laughing his ass off for having pissed so many people off and I kind of think it's pretty funny myself.
And the guy has some pretty funny comebacks sometimes which really cracks me up
For future reference though.... to be a disher of dubious news, you need to be right once or so.. Loses it's luster when you are consistently wrong... Like the little girl that cried wolf..
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I actually want Baldi to predict more guys leaving. He is a mush and always wrong! Winning the lottery sealed his fate. Hearing anything about Harrison, Baldi? Maybe Jordan is reconsidering?
Does anyone know where tony Chiles was on Saturday? Serious question
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Ok thanks. During the day?
Idk, tell us
Not positive, but I'm pretty sure he was sitting next to me with 2 other guys at a pub in Mineola. This guy had had St Johns gear from head to toe and was speaking an awful lot on the Obekpa situation. From the refusal to re-enter the game, to what Lavin did at halftime, and to what Obekpa thought about Lavin in general. 1 of the guys was calling him Tony. Looked a lot like Chiles. Could be wrong, but he looked a lot like the asst coach. LI Lightning play right down the road
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leave bluto alone, he keeps the boards interesting and everyone else posting and bickering.
Baldi = good lightning rod
Linda = malicious lightning rod
Baldi feeds off the negative paranoia of st johns fans and loves screwing with you guys. It almost turns him into some sort of superhero of flamethrowing.
A successful SJU year ( not sure if we will ever see one again at this rate ) is like kryptonite and turns Baldi into a mere mortal like the rest of us
Baldi used to drive me crazy many years ago but it's all good now because having met him years ago now a lot of the time I can literally picture him behind the computer laughing his ass off for having pissed so many people off and I kind of think it's pretty funny myself.
And the guy has some pretty funny comebacks sometimes which really cracks me up
I'm not a years-long poster like some others on this site, but I feel like I have enough stripes on my arm to speak up here.
He's not funny. Whether he's a debbie downer or he gets some kind sadistic pleasure out of riling up others, he isn't fun for vast majority of readers here. Let me re-phrase; I know it isn't fun for me; and I assume it isn't fun for most others.
Frankly, it's tiring and annoying - and possible even bad for the program for posters to seemingly be making stuff up and spamming out there on the internet. And while I'd love to be able to ignore him - it's hard to; because his posts are all over.
I'm sure you are right - that he's a nice guy, but really, in retrospect his posts are way off base. It'd be nice if it stopped.
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leave bluto alone, he keeps the boards interesting and everyone else posting and bickering.
Baldi = good lightning rod
Linda = malicious lightning rod
Baldi feeds off the negative paranoia of st johns fans and loves screwing with you guys. It almost turns him into some sort of superhero of flamethrowing.
A successful SJU year ( not sure if we will ever see one again at this rate ) is like kryptonite and turns Baldi into a mere mortal like the rest of us
Baldi used to drive me crazy many years ago but it's all good now because having met him years ago now a lot of the time I can literally picture him behind the computer laughing his ass off for having pissed so many people off and I kind of think it's pretty funny myself.
And the guy has some pretty funny comebacks sometimes which really cracks me up
For future reference though.... to be a disher of dubious news, you need to be right once or so.. Loses it's luster when you are consistently wrong... Like the little girl that cried wolf..
nah see that's the beauty of it. leave bluto alone, he keeps the boards interesting and everyone else posting and bickering.
Baldi = good lightning rod
Linda = malicious lightning rod
Baldi feeds off the negative paranoia of st johns fans and loves screwing with you guys. It almost turns him into some sort of superhero of flamethrowing.
A successful SJU year ( not sure if we will ever see one again at this rate ) is like kryptonite and turns Baldi into a mere mortal like the rest of us
Baldi used to drive me crazy many years ago but it's all good now because having met him years ago now a lot of the time I can literally picture him behind the computer laughing his ass off for having pissed so many people off and I kind of think it's pretty funny myself.
And the guy has some pretty funny comebacks sometimes which really cracks me up
For future reference though.... to be a disher of dubious news, you need to be right once or so.. Loses it's luster when you are consistently wrong... Like the little girl that cried wolf..
Nah see that beauty of it. He's virtually been wrong in every prediction. Yet he is so masterful everyone has in the back of their mind ( maybe this time he isn't fu$king with us ) and they fall for it again and again. It's like the girl in Charlie Brown who pulls the football away every single time.
Who else with Baldi's track record could get us worked up again and again and again. Baldi has a better chance of winning power ball than he does of being right on a Lavin prediction regardless of what he hears. Literally he does. He;s already gotten 5 numbers right on the power baldi but is o'fer on his lavin predictions
'm telling you. Bet on Baldi's power ball numbers because with that he can make us all rich
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And for the record, I never made any of this up. It was told to me. Wrong or not, I posted it. I'm not here looking for anyone's approval
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And for the record, I never made any of this up. It was told to me. Wrong or not, I posted it. I'm not here looking for anyone's approval
Weird that you never share any positive news.
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And for the record, I never made any of this up. It was told to me. Wrong or not, I posted it. I'm not here looking for anyone's approval
Weird that you never share any positive news.
And for the record, I never made any of this up. It was told to me. Wrong or not, I posted it. I'm not here looking for anyone's approval
Weird that you never share any positive news.
What's even weirder is that I never get any good news. Stay tuned. Btw, wasn't Lavin being gone good news?
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It's my experience that there's usually a grain of truth behind what Baldi says. But you need to ignore his final conclusion.
Ex: Baldi says Harrison is leaving last summer, more respected posters admit several months later that he flirted with OK State.
Ex: he says Lavin is gone, and it's a done deal. Other sources then point out that Lav put out feelers for the Cal job and no extension has been discussed in a long time.
He might say its a done deal or it's going to happen on x date ...and that is almost always wrong. But a vast majority of the time, I look at the substance behind his claim, because it's usually true - he (or his source) just jumps to conclusions. If he says a player is transferring tomorrow, I take that to mean that that player is unhappy or is in coach's doghouse.
If you look at it that way, he's almost always right.
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It's my experience that there's usually a grain of truth behind what Baldi says. But you need to ignore his final conclusion.
Ex: Baldi says Harrison is leaving last summer, more respected posters admit several months later that he flirted with OK State.
Ex: he says Lavin is gone, and it's a done deal. Other sources then point out that Lav put out feelers for the Cal job and no extension has been discussed in a long time.
He might say its a done deal or it's going to happen on x date ...and that is almost always wrong. But a vast majority of the time, I look at the substance behind his claim, because it's usually true - he (or his source) just jumps to conclusions. If he says a player is transferring tomorrow, I take that to mean that that player is unhappy or is in coach's doghouse.
If you look at it that way, he's almost always right.
That does seem like a good way to deal with it. I'll give it a shot, maybe looking at it that way will make him appear like less of an ass.
*still wish the initial rumor would be posted as such, rather than with such certainty.
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It's my experience that there's usually a grain of truth behind what Baldi says. But you need to ignore his final conclusion.
Ex: Baldi says Harrison is leaving last summer, more respected posters admit several months later that he flirted with OK State.
Ex: he says Lavin is gone, and it's a done deal. Other sources then point out that Lav put out feelers for the Cal job and no extension has been discussed in a long time.
He might say its a done deal or it's going to happen on x date ...and that is almost always wrong. But a vast majority of the time, I look at the substance behind his claim, because it's usually true - he (or his source) just jumps to conclusions. If he says a player is transferring tomorrow, I take that to mean that that player is unhappy or is in coach's doghouse.
If you look at it that way, he's almost always right.
I feel the same way in regard to his posts. I'm a bit surprised that thick skinned New Yorkers get so worked up over his posts.
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Baldi was the first poster to give it straight about Sheed. I believe he did have 1 foot out the door.
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Baldi said Lavin would be out the entire season during his second year. No one wanted to hear it, and everyone gave him shit for it. We know how that turned out.
After watching Lavin ruin the last two seasons, I don't think it's unreasonable to come down on him w the mess he's made. I've been told similar things regarding Lavin's interest in leaving. Does it mean they are guaranteed to be 100% accurate? No one gets guaranteed info. I'm not hanging around Tafner Fieldhouse waiting for info.
I don't need it. It's St.John's, and I know how this movie ends. All of you should, too.
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Baldi was the first poster to give it straight about Sheed. I believe he did have 1 foot out the door.
But why wasn't he the first poster to say his foot is back in the door? If his source is as close to the program as he states, why does he never mention when the situation changes when its for the better? Its always quite on that front.
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Baldi was the first poster to give it straight about Sheed. I believe he did have 1 foot out the door.
Baldi was the first poster to give it straight about Sheed. I believe he did have 1 foot out the door.
But does it really matter if his info may have been right about one rumor (which he still ultimately got wrong) when he's spewing crap in all directions hoping it sticks?
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Baldi said Lavin would be out the entire season during his second year. No one wanted to hear it, and everyone gave him shit for it. We know how that turned out.
After watching Lavin ruin the last two seasons, I don't think it's unreasonable to come down on him w the mess he's made. I've been told similar things regarding Lavin's interest in leaving. Does it mean they are guaranteed to be 100% accurate?
The scary thing is a friend of mine from work gets st johns info from a friend of his. Turns out his friend gets it from these boards. lol
So I guarantee when some of us hear info it's from people who get the info from friends of theirs who get their info from these boards. Not saying that's the case for you but it definitely happens for some of us sometimes. :)
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Baldi said Lavin would be out the entire season during his second year. No one wanted to hear it, and everyone gave him shit for it. We know how that turned out.
He said he was leaving the program. How did that turn out? Where is the post that stated he wasn't going to leave? Where was the post that stated Jordan wasn't going to leave anymore? Have to question his motive.
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Baldi said Lavin would be out the entire season during his second year. No one wanted to hear it, and everyone gave him shit for it. We know how that turned out.
After watching Lavin ruin the last two seasons, I don't think it's unreasonable to come down on him w the mess he's made. I've been told similar things regarding Lavin's interest in leaving. Does it mean they are guaranteed to be 100% accurate?
The scary thing is a friend of mine from work gets st johns info from a friend of his. Turns out his friend gets it from these boards. lol
This is the funniest thing I've ever read on these boards!!!!! LOL
I bet this happens all the time. Some guys are so authoritative with news it's hard to not believe them. I bet there have been dozens of hunches that were "confirmed" by people sharing the news back to the original poster they learned by reading the post without anyone ever knowing.
Baldi, if you are wrong this much and you swear you get it from someone else every time, at what point are you going to stop believing it? Hahahaha This guy you talk to probably gets his info from Realfan!!! "Fred, we need to have a talk about this inside info you keep giving me...it's always friggin wrong."
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Baldi said Lavin would be out the entire season during his second year. No one wanted to hear it, and everyone gave him shit for it. We know how that turned out.
After watching Lavin ruin the last two seasons, I don't think it's unreasonable to come down on him w the mess he's made. I've been told similar things regarding Lavin's interest in leaving. Does it mean they are guaranteed to be 100% accurate?
The scary thing is a friend of mine from work gets st johns info from a friend of his. Turns out his friend gets it from these boards. lol
So I guarantee when some of us hear info it's from people who get the info from friends of theirs who get their info from these boards. Not saying that's the case for you but it definitely happens for some of us sometimes. :)
I can't speak to where other people get their info from, but the info I've posted, albeit rarely, doesn't come from a message board or a Twitter account. But truth be told, those are the places that usually encourage me to ask in the first place, because I don't do it often.
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Baldi said Lavin would be out the entire season during his second year. No one wanted to hear it, and everyone gave him shit for it. We know how that turned out.
After watching Lavin ruin the last two seasons, I don't think it's unreasonable to come down on him w the mess he's made. I've been told similar things regarding Lavin's interest in leaving. Does it mean they are guaranteed to be 100% accurate?
The scary thing is a friend of mine from work gets st johns info from a friend of his. Turns out his friend gets it from these boards. lol
This is the funniest thing I've ever read on these boards!!!!! LOL
I bet this happens all the time. Some guys are so authoritative with news it's hard to not believe them. I bet there have been dozens of hunches that were "confirmed" by people sharing the news back to the original poster they learned by reading the post without anyone ever knowing.
Baldi, if you are wrong this much and you swear you get it from someone else every time, at what point are you going to stop believing it? Hahahaha This guy you talk to probably gets his info from Realfan!!! "Fred, we need to have a talk about this inside info you keep giving me...it's always friggin wrong."
You're going to really laugh at this one because when I got back from vacation last week I was speaking to another friend and was asking him if he heard any st johns news about recruiting ( and this is a friend who isn't a member here and is much older than me but he used to be good friends with a former staff member from many years ago ) and he said he heard we were recruiting Anthony Mason's son. Unfreaking real. Wonder where the person that told him that got that info. lol
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Baldi said Lavin would be out the entire season during his second year. No one wanted to hear it, and everyone gave him shit for it. We know how that turned out.
After watching Lavin ruin the last two seasons, I don't think it's unreasonable to come down on him w the mess he's made. I've been told similar things regarding Lavin's interest in leaving. Does it mean they are guaranteed to be 100% accurate?
The scary thing is a friend of mine from work gets st johns info from a friend of his. Turns out his friend gets it from these boards. lol
This is the funniest thing I've ever read on these boards!!!!! LOL
I bet this happens all the time. Some guys are so authoritative with news it's hard to not believe them. I bet there have been dozens of hunches that were "confirmed" by people sharing the news back to the original poster they learned by reading the post without anyone ever knowing.
Baldi, if you are wrong this much and you swear you get it from someone else every time, at what point are you going to stop believing it? Hahahaha This guy you talk to probably gets his info from Realfan!!! "Fred, we need to have a talk about this inside info you keep giving me...it's always friggin wrong."
You're going to really laugh at this one because when I got back from vacation last week I was speaking to another friend and was asking him if he heard any st johns news about recruiting ( and this is a friend who isn't a member here and is much older than me but he used to be good friends with a former staff member from many years ago ) and he said he heard we were recruiting Anthony Mason's son. Unfreaking real. Wonder where the person that told him that got that info. lol
My plan is working!
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Curious Baldi as to what you heard about halftime of the Prov game/Obekpa and his views on Lavin in general. I think you are dead on that Obekpa refused to enter the game -- I was sitting behind the St. John's bench and, based on what I saw, believe that is exactly the case. Been corroborated by a bunch of other folks too.
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Curious Baldi as to what you heard about halftime of the Prov game/Obekpa and his views on Lavin in general. I think you are dead on that Obekpa refused to enter the game -- I was sitting behind the St. John's bench and, based on what I saw, believe that is exactly the case. Been corroborated by a bunch of other folks too.
Long story short. Lavin was a no show in the lockerroom for the Providence and NIT games. Players complained to staff that they had no directions. Staff responded with "do what you do". And they did
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And for the record, I never made any of this up. It was told to me. Wrong or not, I posted it. I'm not here looking for anyone's approval
Weird that you never share any positive news.
Weird that you're such a pollyanna.
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Team has made the tourney once in like 20 years, hasn't won an NCAA tourney game since Jimmy Carter was President, our 3 rd best player has declared for the NBDL draft and Bluto is what you guys are complaining about ???
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Curious Baldi as to what you heard about halftime of the Prov game/Obekpa and his views on Lavin in general. I think you are dead on that Obekpa refused to enter the game -- I was sitting behind the St. John's bench and, based on what I saw, believe that is exactly the case. Been corroborated by a bunch of other folks too.
Long story short. Lavin was a no show in the lockerroom for the Providence and NIT games. Players complained to staff that they had no directions. Staff responded with "do what you do". And they did
in all seriousness, if he wasnt there , where the hell was he ? Doing his hair for FS1 ?
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Team has made the tourney once in like 20 years, hasn't won an NCAA tourney game since Jimmy Carter was President, our 3 rd best player has declared for the NBDL draft and Bluto is what you guys are complaining about ???
And now Lavin is out on the recruiting trail picking up scraps and some fans are getting excited over this. Falling right back into that PR abyss
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I actually want Baldi to predict more guys leaving. He is a mush and always wrong! Winning the lottery sealed his fate. Hearing anything about Harrison, Baldi? Maybe Jordan is reconsidering?
Does anyone know where tony Chiles was on Saturday? Serious question
40/40
Ok thanks. During the day?
Idk, tell us
Not positive, but I'm pretty sure he was sitting next to me with 2 other guys at a pub in Mineola. This guy had had St Johns gear from head to toe and was speaking an awful lot on the Obekpa situation. From the refusal to re-enter the game, to what Lavin did at halftime, and to what Obekpa thought about Lavin in general. 1 of the guys was calling him Tony. Looked a lot like Chiles. Could be wrong, but he looked a lot like the asst coach. LI Lightning play right down the road
Which Pub that's my hood, I've frequented a few?
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@ Mullun. The St. James
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@ Mullun. The St. James
Nice place, good food and drink.
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@ Mullun. The St. James
Nice place, good food and drink.
Yes sir. A lot of local coaches hang out there
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Yes they do.
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That would seem nuts to me that the guy wasn't in the locker room providing instruction during halftime of our biggest game of the year.
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That would seem nuts to me that the guy wasn't in the locker room providing instruction during halftime of our biggest game of the year.
It does, but didn't Baron Davis once say that he played on the only team to make the NCAA tournament's Sweet Sixteen w out a coach?
After grabbing a rebound, seeing guys like Sampson, Pointer and Sanchez routinely bring it up and try to make a play was maddening, and indicative of a system without structure. Lavin's system seemed like there wasn't a system. Quite frankly, we saw that with Sean Evans, who often thought that he was a point guard.
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Quite frankly, we saw that with Sean Evans, who often thought that he was a point guard.
You saw that with Evan when Norm Roberts was the coach.... didn't happen when Lavin took over because Dunlap put an end to it. It took 3/4 of the year for Evans to embrace his correct role and he played well down the stretch that season.
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Quite frankly, we saw that with Sean Evans, who often thought that he was a point guard.
You saw that with Evan when Norm Roberts was the coach.... didn't happen when Lavin took over because Dunlap put an end to it. It took 3/4 of the year for Evans to embrace his correct role and he played well down the stretch that season.
Right, Lavin has no structure in place. Players choose what position they want to play, and what kind of defense they want to play. Lavin would rurally be at his best if he operated as a GM, and not as a coach.
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Curious Baldi as to what you heard about halftime of the Prov game/Obekpa and his views on Lavin in general. I think you are dead on that Obekpa refused to enter the game -- I was sitting behind the St. John's bench and, based on what I saw, believe that is exactly the case. Been corroborated by a bunch of other folks too.
Long story short. Lavin was a no show in the lockerroom for the Providence and NIT games. Players complained to staff that they had no directions. Staff responded with "do what you do". And they did
I find that hard to believe. If true, show Lavin the door.
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Baldi, do you mean literally didn't show up in the locker room? Or he showed up as an empty suit with no meaningful advice?
I tend to think it's the latter. Physically he must've been there, but maybe he wasn't there the whole time.
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Baldi, do younger mean literally didn't show up in the locker room? Or he showed up as an empty suit with no meaningful advice?
I tend to think it's the latter. Physically he must've been there, but maybe he wasn't there the whole time.
The 3 guys were talking about Laving being a "no show" in the lockerrom at halftime. The team was looking for guidance etc.. The staff told them "to do what you do". That's exactly what I heard. I guess it can be interpreted either way.
Lavin asked Obekpa if he was ready to go in and then told him he doesn't look ready
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Baldi, do younger mean literally didn't show up in the locker room? Or he showed up as an empty suit with no meaningful advice?
I tend to think it's the latter. Physically he must've been there, but maybe he wasn't there the whole time.
The 3 guys were talking about Laving being a "no show" in the lockerrom at halftime. The team was looking for guidance etc.. The staff told them "to do what you do". That's exactly what I heard. I guess it can be interpreted either way.
Lavin asked Obekpa if he was ready to go in and then told him he doesn't look ready
This is such BS. Pay this crap no mind.
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You can ignore my posts and go continue to talk about the backup center Lavin signed who averaged 12 points against 6'1 kids at St Francis Prep
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You can ignore my posts and go continue to talk about the backup center Lavin signed who averaged 12 points against 6'1 kids at St Francis Prep
Actually I think your posts are amusing, bias and full of conjecture, but amusing. Others need to understand that as well and take what you say with a grain of salt.
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I have heard of coaches being so pissed at their teams that they didn't talk to them at halftime...We will never know what really went down...I don't even care anymore.. Last year is in the process of being erased from my memory.
Lavin is such a lousy in game coach, what's the difference? Right?
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I agree boo. The players seem to run around and do what they do all season anyway
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Even If Baldis story was true, then Whitesell sp? would tell the players what to do , unless the program was in such a state of disarray nobody cared.
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Even If Baldis story was true, then Whitesell sp? would tell the players what to do , unless the program was in such a state of disarray nobody cared.
That is exact. If Lavin was not there, there are other competent coaches on the staff that would provide the team some direction. That's not even a question, that happens. There not just going to sit there twiddling their thumps.
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"Do what you do"
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You can ignore my posts and go continue to talk about the backup center Lavin signed who averaged 12 points against 6'1 kids at St Francis Prep
Yea, but he's the best rebounder Lavin has ever recruited at this stage of his career. So, there's that.
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"Do what you do"
Let's not forget that your, "not positive" and "could be wrong".
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Baldi, do younger mean literally didn't show up in the locker room? Or he showed up as an empty suit with no meaningful advice?
I tend to think it's the latter. Physically he must've been there, but maybe he wasn't there the whole time.
The 3 guys were talking about Laving being a "no show" in the lockerrom at halftime. The team was looking for guidance etc.. The staff told them "to do what you do". That's exactly what I heard. I guess it can be interpreted either way.
Lavin asked Obekpa if he was ready to go in and then told him he doesn't look ready
If true then wtf did Lav go? To a bar at msg and talk it up with the fans, then 15 later run back to the sidelines?
If that`s true, then he needs to go. Oh that`s right he has two years lefts and they wouldn`t dare buy him out for two years right? It must be great being a coach at SJU. Do as you want and don`t have to worry about being fired.
But is Baldi`s story true? No idea.
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Baldi, do younger mean literally didn't show up in the locker room? Or he showed up as an empty suit with no meaningful advice?
I tend to think it's the latter. Physically he must've been there, but maybe he wasn't there the whole time.
The 3 guys were talking about Laving being a "no show" in the lockerrom at halftime. The team was looking for guidance etc.. The staff told them "to do what you do". That's exactly what I heard. I guess it can be interpreted either way.
Lavin asked Obekpa if he was ready to go in and then told him he doesn't look ready
If true then wtf did Lav go? To a bar at msg and talk it up with the fans, then 15 later run back to the sidelines?
If that`s true, then he needs to go. Oh that`s right he has two years lefts and they wouldn`t dare buy him out for two years right? It must be great being a coach at SJU. Do as you want and don`t have to worry about being fired.
But is Baldi`s story true? No idea.
" To a bar at msg and talk it up with the fans, then 15 later run back to the sidelines?If that`s true, then he needs to go."
If you actually believe the blind, preposterous speculation you tossed around, you should be permanently "wait listed." It is one thing to have a statement that was supposedly made, but to extrapolate it out to your hyperbole is irresponsible.
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Staying positive: Whitesell will have a full year and the beginning of a season to out his system in place. I will remain optimistic.
-Delarosa may not be a super star but he is a big body that can grab rebounds and be trouble for some teams.
-In general are two key scorers will be back and hopefully Jordan will not have to deal with as many personal issues as he did last year and that will make him better faster.
-"The scraps" that Lavin is picking up seem line good role players hitch seems like we need more now then another super star at this point, and if we be good supporting blocks for next years big class.
-It looks like these players will have more of defined roles because they are less versatile and want to play within their role.
-We made the tournament in a tougher conference and less talent so there is always hope.
-We now have a president in place (who has been getting rave reviews) so extension, wait and hold, or moving on talks can start in earnest...When they will start who knows.
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Baldi, do younger mean literally didn't show up in the locker room? Or he showed up as an empty suit with no meaningful advice?
I tend to think it's the latter. Physically he must've been there, but maybe he wasn't there the whole time.
The 3 guys were talking about Laving being a "no show" in the lockerrom at halftime. The team was looking for guidance etc.. The staff told them "to do what you do". That's exactly what I heard. I guess it can be interpreted either way.
Lavin asked Obekpa if he was ready to go in and then told him he doesn't look ready
If true then wtf did Lav go? To a bar at msg and talk it up with the fans, then 15 later run back to the sidelines?
If that`s true, then he needs to go. Oh that`s right he has two years lefts and they wouldn`t dare buy him out for two years right? It must be great being a coach at SJU. Do as you want and don`t have to worry about being fired.
But is Baldi`s story true? No idea.
" To a bar at msg and talk it up with the fans, then 15 later run back to the sidelines?If that`s true, then he needs to go."
If you actually believe the blind, preposterous speculation you tossed around, you should be permanently "wait listed." It is one thing to have a statement that was supposedly made, but to extrapolate it out to your hyperbole is irresponsible.
Well if he wasn`t in the locker room, if it`s true.
Then where was he?
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@StJohnsBBall: #SJUBB visits @WFAN660 on Thursday. Here's @SJUCoachLavin with #MikeFrancesa. @BMonzoWFAN http://t.co/ScDkNiCCuR (http://t.co/ScDkNiCCuR)
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Lavin said he wants to shore up the frontcourt. Thinks we still need another big man. Maybe a wing as well. Lawrence is visiting this weekend, and so is another kid from Texas. IDK the kid's name. Maybe someone else does?
Other recruits are coming. Class isn't finished yet. Kid from Georgia Tech is visiting soon. That's all I got.
Forgot that he also said Thomas is great rebounder, and that he's going to make us tougher.
No promises, but he seemed incredibly upbeat about our recruiting.
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Lavin he wants to shore up the frontcourt. Thinks we still need another big man. Maybe a wing as well. Lawrence is visiting this weekend, and so is another kid from Texas. IDK the kid's name. Maybe someone else does?
Other recruits are coming. Class isn't finished yet. Kid from Georgia Tech is visiting soon. That's all I got.
Lavin said all this?
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Lavin he wants to shore up the frontcourt. Thinks we still need another big man. Maybe a wing as well. Lawrence is visiting this weekend, and so is another kid from Texas. IDK the kid's name. Maybe someone else does?
Other recruits are coming. Class isn't finished yet. Kid from Georgia Tech is visiting soon. That's all I got.
Lavin said all this?
Yes he did
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Lavin he wants to shore up the frontcourt. Thinks we still need another big man. Maybe a wing as well. Lawrence is visiting this weekend, and so is another kid from Texas. IDK the kid's name. Maybe someone else does?
Other recruits are coming. Class isn't finished yet. Kid from Georgia Tech is visiting soon. That's all I got.
Lavin said all this?
Yes he did
thanks, I didnt think he could say such specific things.
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thanks, I didnt think he could say such specific things.
LOL!
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Any way to get archive of interview?
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Lavin said he wants to shore up the frontcourt. Thinks we still need another big man. Maybe a wing as well. Lawrence is visiting this weekend, and so is another kid from Texas. IDK the kid's name. Maybe someone else does?
Other recruits are coming. Class isn't finished yet. Kid from Georgia Tech is visiting soon. That's all I got.
Forgot that he also said Thomas is great rebounder, and that he's going to make us tougher.
No promises, but he seemed incredibly upbeat about our recruiting.
Wow, had no clue we were a player for Robert Carter. Put up some good numbers. Not sure who the Texas kid is though...
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/61607/robert-carter-jr (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/61607/robert-carter-jr)
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/97355/robert-carter (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/97355/robert-carter)
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Any way to get archive of interview?
look up WFAN's website podcasts for Francesa.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/audio-on-demand/mike-francesa-1/ (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/audio-on-demand/mike-francesa-1/)
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I'm confused, how are we involved with all these recruits if Lavin took the recruiting year off?
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We're getting played.
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Lavin he wants to shore up the frontcourt. Thinks we still need another big man. Maybe a wing as well. Lawrence is visiting this weekend, and so is another kid from Texas. IDK the kid's name. Maybe someone else does?
Other recruits are coming. Class isn't finished yet. Kid from Georgia Tech is visiting soon. That's all I got.
Lavin said all this?
Yes he did
Come on Poison are you joking? If you are joking I don't get the joke.
If you are not joking then I assume Coach alluded to the names since he would not be able to talk directly about a recruit or transfer who is not yet signed with SJU.
Also where is the podcast?
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Lavin he wants to shore up the frontcourt. Thinks we still need another big man. Maybe a wing as well. Lawrence is visiting this weekend, and so is another kid from Texas. IDK the kid's name. Maybe someone else does?
Other recruits are coming. Class isn't finished yet. Kid from Georgia Tech is visiting soon. That's all I got.
Lavin said all this?
Yes he did
Come on Poison are you joking? If you are joking I don't get the joke.
If you are not joking then I assume Coach alluded to the names since he would not be able to talk directly about a recruit or transfer who is not yet signed with SJU.
Also where is the podcast?
WFAN will post pieces of today's broadcast as the evening goes along. There might be 4-5 segments. Lavs might be in one of the segments - not sure how FAN does it. Link is in my previous post
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Lavin he wants to shore up the frontcourt. Thinks we still need another big man. Maybe a wing as well. Lawrence is visiting this weekend, and so is another kid from Texas. IDK the kid's name. Maybe someone else does?
Other recruits are coming. Class isn't finished yet. Kid from Georgia Tech is visiting soon. That's all I got.
Lavin said all this?
Yes he did
Come on Poison are you joking? If you are joking I don't get the joke.
If you are not joking then I assume Coach alluded to the names since he would not be able to talk directly about a recruit or transfer who is not yet signed with SJU.
Also where is the podcast?
WFAN will post pieces of today's broadcast as the evening goes along. There might be 4-5 segments. Lavs might be in one of the segments - not sure how FAN does it. Link is in my previous post
bball did you hear it yourself?
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Lavin he wants to shore up the frontcourt. Thinks we still need another big man. Maybe a wing as well. Lawrence is visiting this weekend, and so is another kid from Texas. IDK the kid's name. Maybe someone else does?
Other recruits are coming. Class isn't finished yet. Kid from Georgia Tech is visiting soon. That's all I got.
Lavin said all this?
Yes he did
Come on Poison are you joking? If you are joking I don't get the joke.
If you are not joking then I assume Coach alluded to the names since he would not be able to talk directly about a recruit or transfer who is not yet signed with SJU.
Also where is the podcast?
When I tell a joke, it's a good joke.
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Lavin he wants to shore up the frontcourt. Thinks we still need another big man. Maybe a wing as well. Lawrence is visiting this weekend, and so is another kid from Texas. IDK the kid's name. Maybe someone else does?
Other recruits are coming. Class isn't finished yet. Kid from Georgia Tech is visiting soon. That's all I got.
Lavin said all this?
Yes he did
Come on Poison are you joking? If you are joking I don't get the joke.
If you are not joking then I assume Coach alluded to the names since he would not be able to talk directly about a recruit or transfer who is not yet signed with SJU.
Also where is the podcast?
When I tell a joke, it's a good joke.
Did you hear about the latest Pirate movie?
It was rated RRRRRRRRRR!!!! Hey O!
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I'm confused, how are we involved with all these recruits if Lavin took the recruiting year off?
1) they are leftovers
2) we're getting played. Lavin is trying to make himself look good by being "involved" with numerous recruits. In reality, our program is toxic at the moment.
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I'm confused, how are we involved with all these recruits if Lavin took the recruiting year off?
1) they are leftovers
2) we're getting played. Lavin is trying to make himself look good by being "involved" with numerous recruits. In reality, our program is toxic at the moment.
According to you.
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I'm confused, how are we involved with all these recruits if Lavin took the recruiting year off?
1) they are leftovers
2) we're getting played. Lavin is trying to make himself look good by being "involved" with numerous recruits. In reality, our program is toxic at the moment.
According to you.
No. According to the product on the court
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I'm confused, how are we involved with all these recruits if Lavin took the recruiting year off?
1) they are leftovers
2) we're getting played. Lavin is trying to make himself look good by being "involved" with numerous recruits. In reality, our program is toxic at the moment.
According to you.
According to the rankings, they are not top players. According to other division one basketball coaches, they are leftovers, otherwise they would have been signed by now.
And look a few posts up to paultz's comment. I might fly off the handle on occasion, he's a lot more rationale and he's saying we're being played too.
I might be exaggerating by saying the program is toxic. But things aren't going well when your team under-performs and then your coach has his worst recruiting season in his coaching history.
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I'm confused, how are we involved with all these recruits if Lavin took the recruiting year off?
1) they are leftovers
2) we're getting played. Lavin is trying to make himself look good by being "involved" with numerous recruits. In reality, our program is toxic at the moment.
According to you.
According to the rankings, they are not top players. According to other division one basketball coaches, they are leftovers, otherwise they would have been signed by now.
And look a few posts up to paultz's comment. I might fly off the handle on occasion, he's a lot more rationale and he's saying we're being played too.
I might be exaggerating by saying the program is toxic. But things aren't going well when your team under-performs and then your coach has his worst recruiting season in his coaching history.
Just to be clear, I meant "being played" in context of Poison's tweet about Lav sharing info about additional recruits. I hope there is truth to it, but I didn't believe Lav would say such things. Sorry if I should have been clearer.
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I'm confused, how are we involved with all these recruits if Lavin took the recruiting year off?
1) they are leftovers
2) we're getting played. Lavin is trying to make himself look good by being "involved" with numerous recruits. In reality, our program is toxic at the moment.
According to you.
According to the rankings, they are not top players. According to other division one basketball coaches, they are leftovers, otherwise they would have been signed by now.
And look a few posts up to paultz's comment. I might fly off the handle on occasion, he's a lot more rationale and he's saying we're being played too.
I might be exaggerating by saying the program is toxic. But things aren't going well when your team under-performs and then your coach has his worst recruiting season in his coaching history.
Just to be clear, I meant "being played" in context of Poison's tweet about Lav sharing info about additional recruits. I hope there is truth to it, but I didn't believe Lav would say such things. Sorry if I should have been clearer.
fair enough then. Sorry to drag you into it Paultz.
I'm a little frustrated, and I don't understand why more fans aren't. How long is Lavin's rope supposed to be? Do we give him 6 years? 8?
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I'm confused, how are we involved with all these recruits if Lavin took the recruiting year off?
1) they are leftovers
2) we're getting played. Lavin is trying to make himself look good by being "involved" with numerous recruits. In reality, our program is toxic at the moment.
According to you.
According to the rankings, they are not top players. According to other division one basketball coaches, they are leftovers, otherwise they would have been signed by now.
And look a few posts up to paultz's comment. I might fly off the handle on occasion, he's a lot more rationale and he's saying we're being played too.
I might be exaggerating by saying the program is toxic. But things aren't going well when your team under-performs and then your coach has his worst recruiting season in his coaching history.
Just to be clear, I meant "being played" in context of Poison's tweet about Lav sharing info about additional recruits. I hope there is truth to it, but I didn't believe Lav would say such things. Sorry if I should have been clearer.
fair enough then. Sorry to drag you into it Paultz.
I'm a little frustrated, and I don't understand why more fans aren't. How long is Lavin's rope supposed to be? Do we give him 6 years? 8?
Let's see if he can get this squad to NCAA Tourney, balance roster & land a great 15 class. Those goals seem fair. I'll leave contract extension terms to administration. Hopefully someone there will have clear expectations in mind.
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I'm confused, how are we involved with all these recruits if Lavin took the recruiting year off?
1) they are leftovers
2) we're getting played. Lavin is trying to make himself look good by being "involved" with numerous recruits. In reality, our program is toxic at the moment.
According to you.
According to the rankings, they are not top players. According to other division one basketball coaches, they are leftovers, otherwise they would have been signed by now.
And look a few posts up to paultz's comment. I might fly off the handle on occasion, he's a lot more rationale and he's saying we're being played too.
I might be exaggerating by saying the program is toxic. But things aren't going well when your team under-performs and then your coach has his worst recruiting season in his coaching history.
Just to be clear, I meant "being played" in context of Poison's tweet about Lav sharing info about additional recruits. I hope there is truth to it, but I didn't believe Lav would say such things. Sorry if I should have been clearer.
fair enough then. Sorry to drag you into it Paultz.
I'm a little frustrated, and I don't understand why more fans aren't. How long is Lavin's rope supposed to be? Do we give him 6 years? 8?
How short is it supposed to be? This is the only year you can say was a dissapointmenet base on expectations and recruiting.
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I'm confused, how are we involved with all these recruits if Lavin took the recruiting year off?
1) they are leftovers
2) we're getting played. Lavin is trying to make himself look good by being "involved" with numerous recruits. In reality, our program is toxic at the moment.
According to you.
According to the rankings, they are not top players. According to other division one basketball coaches, they are leftovers, otherwise they would have been signed by now.
And look a few posts up to paultz's comment. I might fly off the handle on occasion, he's a lot more rationale and he's saying we're being played too.
I might be exaggerating by saying the program is toxic. But things aren't going well when your team under-performs and then your coach has his worst recruiting season in his coaching history.
Just to be clear, I meant "being played" in context of Poison's tweet about Lav sharing info about additional recruits. I hope there is truth to it, but I didn't believe Lav would say such things. Sorry if I should have been clearer.
fair enough then. Sorry to drag you into it Paultz.
I'm a little frustrated, and I don't understand why more fans aren't. How long is Lavin's rope supposed to be? Do we give him 6 years? 8?
Why are we even talking about a rope? You seem to be under the misapprehension that we won 10 games last season. You don't talk about a coaches rope after a 20 win season in which he improved the team from the previous season. Only the Kentuckys of the world can do that. You also seem to be under the misapprehension that because of one mediocre recruiting season which doesn't even appear to be over yet, that obviously means he will never get highly rated recruits ever again. Lavin has overall been a moderate disappointment thus far in his tenure at St. John's. Not close to being fired, not close to be getting a long extension. I expected a tourney bid last season, we just missed. That does not mean the program is "toxic." That means we had a moderately disappointing season. If we won 10 games I'd agree with you. But we didn't.
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I'm confused, how are we involved with all these recruits if Lavin took the recruiting year off?
1) they are leftovers
2) we're getting played. Lavin is trying to make himself look good by being "involved" with numerous recruits. In reality, our program is toxic at the moment.
According to you.
According to the rankings, they are not top players. According to other division one basketball coaches, they are leftovers, otherwise they would have been signed by now.
And look a few posts up to paultz's comment. I might fly off the handle on occasion, he's a lot more rationale and he's saying we're being played too.
I might be exaggerating by saying the program is toxic. But things aren't going well when your team under-performs and then your coach has his worst recruiting season in his coaching history.
Just to be clear, I meant "being played" in context of Poison's tweet about Lav sharing info about additional recruits. I hope there is truth to it, but I didn't believe Lav would say such things. Sorry if I should have been clearer.
fair enough then. Sorry to drag you into it Paultz.
I'm a little frustrated, and I don't understand why more fans aren't. How long is Lavin's rope supposed to be? Do we give him 6 years? 8?
Why are we even talking about a rope? You seem to be under the misapprehension that we won 10 games last season. You don't talk about a coaches rope after a 20 win season in which he improved the team from the previous season. Only the Kentuckys of the world can do that. You also seem to be under the misapprehension that because of one mediocre recruiting season which doesn't even appear to be over yet, that obviously means he will never get highly rated recruits ever again. Lavin has overall been a moderate disappointment thus far in his tenure at St. John's. Not close to being fired, not close to be getting a long extension. I expected a tourney bid last season, we just missed. That does not mean the program is "toxic." That means we had a moderately disappointing season. If we won 10 games I'd agree with you. But we didn't.
20 wins is not an accomplishment anymore especially when only 2 of those 20 wins were against decent teams. For a team that had the talent to make the big boy tournament to only make the NIT makes the season a failure no matter how many crappy teams they beat up on. If 20 wins makes a season successful despite not making the tourney why don't we just leave the Big East, go independent and just schedule any MAAC/NEC/Big South/SWAC/SOCON teams that will play us so we can have a 30 win season?
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He has a contract. Let him finish it. Next year is make or break.
Norm got 6 years that were dreadful. SL deserves at least same.
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I'm confused, how are we involved with all these recruits if Lavin took the recruiting year off?
1) they are leftovers
2) we're getting played. Lavin is trying to make himself look good by being "involved" with numerous recruits. In reality, our program is toxic at the moment.
According to you.
According to the rankings, they are not top players. According to other division one basketball coaches, they are leftovers, otherwise they would have been signed by now.
And look a few posts up to paultz's comment. I might fly off the handle on occasion, he's a lot more rationale and he's saying we're being played too.
I might be exaggerating by saying the program is toxic. But things aren't going well when your team under-performs and then your coach has his worst recruiting season in his coaching history.
Just to be clear, I meant "being played" in context of Poison's tweet about Lav sharing info about additional recruits. I hope there is truth to it, but I didn't believe Lav would say such things. Sorry if I should have been clearer.
fair enough then. Sorry to drag you into it Paultz.
I'm a little frustrated, and I don't understand why more fans aren't. How long is Lavin's rope supposed to be? Do we give him 6 years? 8?
Why are we even talking about a rope? You seem to be under the misapprehension that we won 10 games last season. You don't talk about a coaches rope after a 20 win season in which he improved the team from the previous season. Only the Kentuckys of the world can do that. You also seem to be under the misapprehension that because of one mediocre recruiting season which doesn't even appear to be over yet, that obviously means he will never get highly rated recruits ever again. Lavin has overall been a moderate disappointment thus far in his tenure at St. John's. Not close to being fired, not close to be getting a long extension. I expected a tourney bid last season, we just missed. That does not mean the program is "toxic." That means we had a moderately disappointing season. If we won 10 games I'd agree with you. But we didn't.
20 wins is not an accomplishment anymore especially when only 2 of those 20 wins were against decent teams. For a team that had the talent to make the big boy tournament to only make the NIT makes the season a failure no matter how many crappy teams they beat up on. If 20 wins makes a season successful despite not making the tourney why don't we just leave the Big East, go independent and just schedule any MAAC/NEC/Big South/SWAC/SOCON teams that will play us so we can have a 30 win season?
Please highlight in my post where I said 20 wins was an accomplishment or successful. I believe the phrase I used was "moderate disappointment."
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Lavin he wants to shore up the frontcourt. Thinks we still need another big man. Maybe a wing as well. Lawrence is visiting this weekend, and so is another kid from Texas. IDK the kid's name. Maybe someone else does?
Other recruits are coming. Class isn't finished yet. Kid from Georgia Tech is visiting soon. That's all I got.
Lavin said all this?
Yes he did
thanks, I didnt think he could say such specific things.
Just to be clear, Lavin, Masur, Tilton, etc were at WFAN to drop off gear, not to do interviews. Photos, captions below indicate that;
@StJohnsBBall: #SJUBB PHOTO GALLERY: @SJUCoachLavin and @DaveMasur visit @WFAN660 on Thursday: http://t.co/Xu4oVZ0otx (http://t.co/Xu4oVZ0otx) #SJUMSOC
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Lavin he wants to shore up the frontcourt. Thinks we still need another big man. Maybe a wing as well. Lawrence is visiting this weekend, and so is another kid from Texas. IDK the kid's name. Maybe someone else does?
Other recruits are coming. Class isn't finished yet. Kid from Georgia Tech is visiting soon. That's all I got.
Lavin said all this?
Yes he did
thanks, I didnt think he could say such specific things.
Just to be clear, Lavin, Masur, Tilton, etc were at WFAN to drop off gear, not to do interviews. Photos, captions below indicate that;
@StJohnsBBall: #SJUBB PHOTO GALLERY: @SJUCoachLavin and @DaveMasur visit @WFAN660 on Thursday: http://t.co/Xu4oVZ0otx (http://t.co/Xu4oVZ0otx) #SJUMSOC
Dropping off gear to a guy notorious for having alligator arms towards his school? smh
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I'm confused, how are we involved with all these recruits if Lavin took the recruiting year off?
1) they are leftovers
2) we're getting played. Lavin is trying to make himself look good by being "involved" with numerous recruits. In reality, our program is toxic at the moment.
According to you.
According to the rankings, they are not top players. According to other division one basketball coaches, they are leftovers, otherwise they would have been signed by now.
And look a few posts up to paultz's comment. I might fly off the handle on occasion, he's a lot more rationale and he's saying we're being played too.
I might be exaggerating by saying the program is toxic. But things aren't going well when your team under-performs and then your coach has his worst recruiting season in his coaching history.
Just to be clear, I meant "being played" in context of Poison's tweet about Lav sharing info about additional recruits. I hope there is truth to it, but I didn't believe Lav would say such things. Sorry if I should have been clearer.
fair enough then. Sorry to drag you into it Paultz.
I'm a little frustrated, and I don't understand why more fans aren't. How long is Lavin's rope supposed to be? Do we give him 6 years? 8?
Desco, Your posts indicate that you are bit more than frustrated. I think all fans were frustrated with the way the season ended. Do you still admit to hating this coach?
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Hearing this is done deal. Time for both parties to move on. Get Massiello on the phone ASAP
Dave, it is very clear that this was a BS attempt to bust the balls of St John's fans. Is it time to change the BS title of this thread? It damages the program to let this tool get away with his BS.
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I'm confused, how are we involved with all these recruits if Lavin took the recruiting year off?
1) they are leftovers
2) we're getting played. Lavin is trying to make himself look good by being "involved" with numerous recruits. In reality, our program is toxic at the moment.
According to you.
According to the rankings, they are not top players. According to other division one basketball coaches, they are leftovers, otherwise they would have been signed by now.
And look a few posts up to paultz's comment. I might fly off the handle on occasion, he's a lot more rationale and he's saying we're being played too.
I might be exaggerating by saying the program is toxic. But things aren't going well when your team under-performs and then your coach has his worst recruiting season in his coaching history.
Just to be clear, I meant "being played" in context of Poison's tweet about Lav sharing info about additional recruits. I hope there is truth to it, but I didn't believe Lav would say such things. Sorry if I should have been clearer.
fair enough then. Sorry to drag you into it Paultz.
I'm a little frustrated, and I don't understand why more fans aren't. How long is Lavin's rope supposed to be? Do we give him 6 years? 8?
I think most fans are disappointed with the '14 recruiting class. From afar, it seems Lavin clearly dropped the ball. But as of right now, St. John's has a pretty solid team headed into next season. They have a very nice starting backcourt (Harrison, Jordan) with depth players as well (PG IV, Branch, Balamou). Despite the drama, Obekpa is a very good defensive player who contributed on the offensive end for a stretch last season. If players like Pointer, Thomas, Jones, and/or ADR step up, the team will probably be pretty good. Am I happy with pretty good at the five year mark? Not really, but it's better than past years.
I'm hoping the upcoming season is a good one and Lavin strikes it rich with the '15 recruiting class. Getting a transfer like Robert Carter from G'Tech would be a nice start to that. Hopefully we get a few commits over the next few months and bring some positive news to the program.
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How short is it supposed to be? This is the only year you can say was a dissapointmenet base on expectations and recruiting.
I can't speak for everyone else, but his second year, when 3 guys couldn't make it to campus, and his starting PG transferred early in the season ... whether he was the active HC or not ... I was disappointed.
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http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/052014aaa.html (http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/052014aaa.html)
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http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/052014aaa.html (http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/052014aaa.html)
BTIG is a great place, I worked for the guy Coach Lavin is pictured with 8 years.. best on Wall Street..!!
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Lavin is really good at getting into the cool guy grips, all be has to do is win and things will be good.
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I don't know if this was posted elsewhere, but ESPN has an insider article with a list of coaches on the proverbial Hot Seat..
(by Jeff Goodman fwiw)
Coaches who need to make a run
Steve Lavin, St. John’s Red Storm
He led the Red Storm to the NCAA tournament in his first season, primarily with Norm Roberts’ players, and there was so much optimism. Lavin then dealt with health issues but has bounced back well and done a terrific job recruiting. However, there have been two consecutive NIT appearances with a roster that many felt should have been a lock to go to the NCAAs. Lavin has only two years left on his six-year deal and could be out if this season's team underachieves.
http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/jeff-goodman/post?id=3644 (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/jeff-goodman/post?id=3644)
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I concur, he should start feeling the heat now.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Steve Lavin has talked a lot about putting together a big 2015 class. He's positioned himself nicely here. #sjubb
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Here's a fun hypothetical.
Let's say we land Briscoe and Diallo, but fail to make NCAA. Does Lavin get another year?
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yup
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Ummm yes.
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Let's hope we get the two kids first - which would amount to one of the best recruiting classes we've ever had -- and figure it out from there LOL.
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Others here would know better, but I get the sense it's Briscoe and Mitchel/Sampson that are the clear priorities now.
I'm not sure how realistic dialo is anymore. Still hanging around, but I haven't heard anyone say they like our odds.
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Others here would know better, but I get the sense it's Briscoe and Mitchel/Sampson that are the clear priorities now.
I'm not sure how realistic dialo is anymore. Still hanging around, but I haven't heard anyone say they like our odds.
I don't think Diallo is a Kentucky player. Im not sure where he will go, but if it isnt Kentucky, i don't hate our chances.
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Roster has two Africans that may give him a feeling of belonging. Didn't both of those guy attend same high school that he did.
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Roster has two Africans that may give him a feeling of belonging. Didn't both of those guy attend same high school that he did.
Yes, supposedly Felix and him are real tight.
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If Lavin gets Briscoe and Diallo he 100% stays even if he goes winless in the BE this season!
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And this rumor is back...
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??
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I don't even think a sweet 16 run save his job this time
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Even with top class? Repole seen enough?
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Even with top class? Repole seen enough?
Top class? He already had that and couldn't do anything with it. Maybe they think it's time to cut their losses and that huge staff that doesn't produce.
Fwiw, I did see Monasch watching the 1st half of the Iona game. But his arse has to go too
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The overreactions game by game are just absurd. We beat one team and we are looking at bracketology and what seed we could be then we lose and its we need to fire Lavin. Let the season play out guys and then we worry about it after the season. If we don't make the ncaa this year he should be shown the door. Let's pick this up in a march anything before that with Lavin is nonsense.
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Going to need to win 8-10 more games. Then make a run in BET. That's a tall order with 5 players, 1 of which has a calf and shoulder injury
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Who is the early favorite to replace him?
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The overreactions game by game are just absurd. We beat one team and we are looking at bracketology and what seed we could be then we lose and its we need to fire Lavin. Let the season play out guys and then we worry about it after the season. If we don't make the ncaa this year he should be shown the door. Let's pick this up in a march anything before that with Lavin is nonsense.
If we sneak in the tourney as a 10 or 11 seed and get bounced in the 1st round, does he deserve to be back?
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The overreactions game by game are just absurd. We beat one team and we are looking at bracketology and what seed we could be then we lose and its we need to fire Lavin. Let the season play out guys and then we worry about it after the season. If we don't make the ncaa this year he should be shown the door. Let's pick this up in a march anything before that with Lavin is nonsense.
If we sneak in the tourney as a 10 or 11 seed and get bounced in the 1st round, does he deserve to be back?
Come back to the "we are a young team" excuse for the next 3 tourny less years? Again? Time to go
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Says who? You or your source?
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Says who? You or your source?
Just me expanding on the situation
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Who is the early favorite to replace him?
Why do you think Monasch was watching the Iona game?
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Who is the early favorite to replace him?
Why do you think Monasch was watching the Iona game?
Wants to bring Chris Casey back?
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The overreactions game by game are just absurd. We beat one team and we are looking at bracketology and what seed we could be then we lose and its we need to fire Lavin. Let the season play out guys and then we worry about it after the season. If we don't make the ncaa this year he should be shown the door. Let's pick this up in a march anything before that with Lavin is nonsense.
If we sneak in the tourney as a 10 or 11 seed and get bounced in the 1st round, does he deserve to be back?
Come back to the "we are a young team" excuse for the next 3 tourny less years? Again? Time to go
I complete agree. Just want to know if some posters believe that he can save his job or deserves another year by just getting into the tourney this year
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fyi I heard this past weekend they're ironing out an extension. Longer years, less per year.
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fyi I heard this past weekend they're ironing out an extension. Longer years, less per year.
Can't be true. Baldi says he is gone.
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fyi I heard this past weekend they're ironing out an extension. Longer years, less per year.
Good news for me as Iona fan/ awful news for me as St Johns fan.
Must be nice getting an extension, with little pressure to succeed
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"Overall, big picture, if you’ve followed our team over these past three weeks you can see we’re making progress."
That says it all. 2-5 since dec 31st. But we are making progress
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"Overall, big picture, if you’ve followed our team over these past three weeks you can see we’re making progress."
That says it all. 2-5 since dec 31st. But we are making progress
But Baldi this is a young team. This is the time to take our lumps. It will help these guys be really good in a couple years. Oh wait....
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Lavin deserves an extension. Period. End of story.
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Lavin deserves an extension. Period. End of story.
I thought SJUFAN was Lavin's agent as that's the only person that could logically come to that conclusion
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Each year he has coached us we were on the bubble of a NCAA bid going into the final stretch of games. We want to be better than that and set the expectations higher, but realistically, its far better than what we were doing before Lavin. We were not a staple in post season play prior to his arrival. Outside of the 2014 class, which to me is inexcusable, he is bringing more higher caliber players into the program. I would just like for him to stay away from the question marks.
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fyi I heard this past weekend they're ironing out an extension. Longer years, less per year.
big picture, this is a good move. we need stability.
i said this before. i hope lavin has learned his lesson by not going hard in recruiting this past year. he can't rely on just selling playing time to get recruits. we need at least two qualified BE caliber players every year.
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fyi I heard this past weekend they're ironing out an extension. Longer years, less per year.
big picture, this is a good move. we need stability.
i said this before. i hope lavin has learned his lesson by not going hard in recruiting this past year. he can't rely on just selling playing time to get recruits. we need at least two qualified BE caliber players every year.
"Recruiting is the least of my concerns."
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fyi I heard this past weekend they're ironing out an extension. Longer years, less per year.
big picture, this is a good move. we need stability.
i said this before. i hope lavin has learned his lesson by not going hard in recruiting this past year. he can't rely on just selling playing time to get recruits. we need at least two qualified BE caliber players every year.
Learned his lesson by getting an extension?
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The extension rumors are from Lavin and his people. 7 weeks and he is gone
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I would be trilled to hear that Coach Lavin has received an extension.
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The extension rumors are from Lavin and his people. 7 weeks and he is gone
Really? Even if he makes a late run in the NCAA's tourney?
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The extension rumors are from Lavin and his people. 7 weeks and he is gone
Really? Even if he makes a late run in the NCAA's tourney?
What happens next year? I'll tell you what, last place in big east. Last place in year 6...there is no one left to blame. Wave goodbye to Monasch too
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Baldi scoop, ten months in the making.
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The extension rumors are from Lavin and his people. 7 weeks and he is gone
Really? Even if he makes a late run in the NCAA's tourney?
Did you mean late run TO the tourney. To make a run IN the tourney, I am pretty sure you have to make the tourney and we need a late run to get in
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Baldi scoop, ten months in the making.
He will be right someday but not in 7 weeks.
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The overreactions game by game are just absurd. We beat one team and we are looking at bracketology and what seed we could be then we lose and its we need to fire Lavin. Let the season play out guys and then we worry about it after the season. If we don't make the ncaa this year he should be shown the door. Let's pick this up in a march anything before that with Lavin is nonsense.
If we sneak in the tourney as a 10 or 11 seed and get bounced in the 1st round, does he deserve to be back?
When did I ever say that. I said if he missed the tournament he should be gone. Otherwise obviously if we did make it would depend on how we play restof the season and in the Big East and NCAA whether he should be back. Also depends on the class he brings.
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There is a large percentage of fans who understand Lavin took over a program in shambles, and had to start from scratch, and Rome was not built in a day. Respect has to be earned. We are relevant again, after ten plus years of failure. Just because the same few posters keep banging the fire Lavin drum does not mean that that is the consensus among the larger fan base.
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There is a large percentage of fans who understand Lavin took over a program in shambles, and had to start from scratch, and Rome was not built in a day. Respect has to be earned. We are relevant again, after ten plus years of failure. Just because the same few posters keep banging the fire Lavin drum does not mean that that is the consensus among the larger fan base.
He was left an NCAA team and had plenty of scholarships to get his own players, which he did.
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Will take 6 more years of Lavin over 1 with Norm.
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Will take 6 more years of Lavin over 1 with Norm.
100 x improvement over Norm, but I have to say def expected more than 1 tourney appearance. Didn't everyone?
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I cannot believe how low the bar has been set by some fans. Who cares about about being freaking relevant. Anything but making the tournament should be considered a failure.
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I would be trilled to hear that Coach Lavin has received an extension.
You don't give a crap if we make the ncaa or not, just keep Lavin.
Pretty pathetic. I mean what the hell has he done.
Oh yeah keep the guy for making and getting smoked in the nit.
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There is a large percentage of fans who understand Lavin took over a program in shambles, and had to start from scratch, and Rome was not built in a day. Respect has to be earned. We are relevant again, after ten plus years of failure. Just because the same few posters keep banging the fire Lavin drum does not mean that that is the consensus among the larger fan base.
Excuse me, but this is his 5th year, not his first or second year. That is enough time to restore order, so dont give us the norm excuse.
So, if no ncaa tournament this year, it's not a failure? The last 4 years wtf has he done.
HNe doesn't deserve the right for an extension.
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Will take 6 more years of Lavin over 1 with Norm.
100 x improvement over Norm, but I have to say def expected more than 1 tourney appearance. Didn't everyone?
I'm pretty sure I've said this before, but going into it, I would say I would have hoped for 2 tourney appearances in his first 5 years (I would have expected the appearances to be last year and this year, but I can't fault the guy for taking Norm's squad to the tourney). So if he makes it this year, then I wouldn't have expected any more. I would also have expected a win or two in the tourney by this year, so I think if he does anything less than make the tourney and win a game or two, then he will have been a disappointment overall -- in my view.
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I cannot believe how low the bar has been set by some fans. Who cares about about being freaking relevant. Anything but making the tournament should be considered a failure.
TY, maybe most sju fans don't give a shit about getting to the ncaa or not. Oh Lavin is such a nice guy, so keep him.
sad sad sad
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There is a large percentage of fans who understand Lavin took over a program in shambles, and had to start from scratch, and Rome was not built in a day. Respect has to be earned. We are relevant again, after ten plus years of failure. Just because the same few posters keep banging the fire Lavin drum does not mean that that is the consensus among the larger fan base.
Excuse me, but this is his 5th year, not his first or second year. That is enough time to restore order, so dont give us the norm excuse.
So, if no ncaa tournament this year, it's not a failure? The last 4 years wtf has he done.
HNe doesn't deserve the right for an extension.
Is this the psuedo-reincarnation (pun intended) since you were supposedly done posting here about a month or so ago?
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Baldi I agree with a lot of what you say on the staff but they didn't "inherit a NCAA team". No one predicted our success in 2010-2011 with any degree of seriousness. The last 2 years have been a bitter disappointment in terms of recruiting and particularly on the court results.
Also I don't get your comment on how retaining Lavin is bad for you as a SJU fan but good for you as a Gaels fan??
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Baldi I agree with a lot of what you say on the staff but they didn't "inherit a NCAA team". No one predicted our success in 2010-2011 with any degree of seriousness. The last 2 years have been a bitter disappointment in terms of recruiting and particularly on the court results.
Also I don't get your comment on how retaining Lavin is bad for you as a SJU fan but good for you as a Gaels fan??
Gaels keep Cluess
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Obviously the recruiting buzz as of late has gotten some excited, we've seen this spiel before. Remember 2011 when we had the #3 recruiting class?? Pelle and Jakarr were ineligible, Lindsey transferred 2 weeks into the season, and Gathers decommitted... Why are people thinking this recruiting class will be different form that one for the better?! If Lavin doesn't make the tournament this year he should be fired, end of story. Odds are at least 2 recruits he will bring if he gets re-signed in will be ineligible. Fire is ass unless we WIN a tourney game. I feel better with a coach who recruits a system, not 5 guys going 1 on 1 in a crowded lane and complaining about a foul every damn time. I honestly feel whoever we bring in as coach Sampson will stay, because all he seems to care about is playing time.
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Gotcha. Not sure that we would target him though. I always thought Mass as the logical guy, but with what happened with him last year after the season and Manhattan's record this year (they are not good in a terrible conference) I have no idea who we would target.
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Geez the expectations of some fans are really really really low
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I am so tired of losing. After I left the garden Sunday in didn't want to fire Lavin I wanted to physically chase him out of town. I have calmed down . Rome wasn't built in A day. I get that. But he better start building . We can debate if he deserves an extension all day. But we need him to get extension . I want to keep Sampson and doughty . I won't believe that Jordan and obekpa leave, because it is to crazy of a thought. I also think he brings in some more players.
He better win vs crighton . They stink .
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I am so tired of losing. After I left the garden Sunday in didn't want to fire Lavin I wanted to physically chase him out of town. I have calmed down . Rome wasn't built in A day. I get that. But he better start building . We can debate if he deserves an extension all day. But we need him to get extension . I want to keep Sampson and doughty . I won't believe that Jordan and obekpa leave, because it is to crazy of a thought. I also think he brings in some more players.
He better win vs crighton . They stink .
Sampson will stay no matter who the coach is. He'll get a ton of playing time and that was the factor in him choosing St. John's.
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I am so tired of losing. After I left the garden Sunday in didn't want to fire Lavin I wanted to physically chase him out of town. I have calmed down . Rome wasn't built in A day. I get that. But he better start building . We can debate if he deserves an extension all day. But we need him to get extension . I want to keep Sampson and doughty . I won't believe that Jordan and obekpa leave, because it is to crazy of a thought. I also think he brings in some more players.
He better win vs crighton . They stink .
Keeping the recruits won't be an issue for the new coach. We will have tons of PT.
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There is a large percentage of fans who understand Lavin took over a program in shambles, and had to start from scratch, and Rome was not built in a day. Respect has to be earned. We are relevant again, after ten plus years of failure. Just because the same few posters keep banging the fire Lavin drum does not mean that that is the consensus among the larger fan base.
Excuse me, but this is his 5th year, not his first or second year. That is enough time to restore order, so dont give us the norm excuse.
So, if no ncaa tournament this year, it's not a failure? The last 4 years wtf has he done.
HNe doesn't deserve the right for an extension.
Is this the psuedo-reincarnation (pun intended) since you were supposedly done posting here about a month or so ago?
Oh well, I guess I changed my mind, to bad.
Keep your Lavin pom poms in your hands Dinkins.
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I am so tired of losing. After I left the garden Sunday in didn't want to fire Lavin I wanted to physically chase him out of town. I have calmed down . Rome wasn't built in A day. I get that. But he better start building . We can debate if he deserves an extension all day. But we need him to get extension . I want to keep Sampson and doughty . I won't believe that Jordan and obekpa leave, because it is to crazy of a thought. I also think he brings in some more players.
He better win vs crighton . They stink .
Sampson will stay no matter who the coach is. He'll get a ton of playing time and that was the factor in him choosing St. John's.
Fact or opinion? Have you spoken to Sampson about why he chose SJU? I read more about his relationship with the staff than I did about him wanting playing time.
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I am so tired of losing. After I left the garden Sunday in didn't want to fire Lavin I wanted to physically chase him out of town. I have calmed down . Rome wasn't built in A day. I get that. But he better start building . We can debate if he deserves an extension all day. But we need him to get extension . I want to keep Sampson and doughty . I won't believe that Jordan and obekpa leave, because it is to crazy of a thought. I also think he brings in some more players.
He better win vs crighton . They stink .
Sampson will stay no matter who the coach is. He'll get a ton of playing time and that was the factor in him choosing St. John's.
Fact or opinion? Have you spoken to Sampson about why he chose SJU? I read more about his relationship with the staff than I did about him wanting playing time.
Both were talked about extensively.
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I have no inside knowledge. I think we lose both recruits if he is fired plus anyone we are still recruiting. Brandon Sampson isn't leaving his Lousianna to play for Tim Clueless. That is not a knock on Clueless either.
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Can the season be over first before we have to hear all this bullshit again? Jesus Christ.
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I have no inside knowledge. I think we lose both recruits if he is fired plus anyone we are still recruiting. Brandon Sampson isn't leaving his Lousianna to play for Tim Clueless. That is not a knock on Clueless either.
Clueless won't be the next coach of SJU so no need to worry about that. He would not be a good hire anyway.
If Diallo commits elsewhere in the next few weeks, is Sampson good enough for Lav to keep his job if they are indeed unhappy with him? I'd say not even close
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I have no inside knowledge. I think we lose both recruits if he is fired plus anyone we are still recruiting. Brandon Sampson isn't leaving his Lousianna to play for Tim Clueless. That is not a knock on Clueless either.
Clueless won't be the next coach of SJU so no need to worry about that. He would not be a good hire anyway.
If Diallo commits elsewhere in the next few weeks, is Sampson good enough for Lav to keep his job if they are indeed unhappy with him? I'd say not even close
One solo top recruit is is good enough, hell no.
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Just want to know if some posters believe that he can save his job or deserves another year by just getting into the tourney this year
Some posters, with an ounce of common sense, believe that it is ridiculous to evaluate the performance of a head coach and determine whether or not he "deserves another year" mid-season. Some have learned this by following the lead of sage Giant owners, Tisch and Mara.
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Usually I lean more on the side of defending Baldi but in this case he's really stirring the pot hard. Just unwarranted attention.
As for Sampson, Lavin played an instrumental role in developing that relationship. Chiles on the ground started the digging the roots in Louisiana which will be more fruitful. They have A LOT of great young kids (2017-2019) that will certainly be giving SJU a look.
I think Lavin and staff have had their faults, string of bad luck, but ultimately as of right now the grass will not be any greener without them. Best to stick by them and hope that continuity will help the program rise to another level.
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Usually I lean more on the side of defending Baldi but in this case he's really stirring the pot hard. Just unwarranted attention.
As for Sampson, Lavin played an instrumental role in developing that relationship. Chiles on the ground started the digging the roots in Louisiana which will be more fruitful. They have A LOT of great young kids (2017-2019) that will certainly be giving SJU a look.
I think Lavin and staff have had their faults, string of bad luck, but ultimately as of right now the grass will not be any greener without them. Best to stick by them and hope that continuity will help the program rise to another level.
Your last paragraph neither you or I know for a fact.
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Usually I lean more on the side of defending Baldi but in this case he's really stirring the pot hard. Just unwarranted attention.
As for Sampson, Lavin played an instrumental role in developing that relationship. Chiles on the ground started the digging the roots in Louisiana which will be more fruitful. They have A LOT of great young kids (2017-2019) that will certainly be giving SJU a look.
I think Lavin and staff have had their faults, string of bad luck, but ultimately as of right now the grass will not be any greener without them. Best to stick by them and hope that continuity will help the program rise to another level.
Continuity of what Dave, the NIT? I thought when he came here, he was gonna bring us to the promise land?
Yeah, ok I gave him a pass for the first two years of his own recruits, but what happened last year? and this year doesn't look to good for making the NCAA appearance.
Want to keep him so we can keep his recruits? well ok, but give him a one year extension. That give him 2 years, plus short term extensions will force him to keep recruiting, and not take a year off like he and staff did last year.
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Hopefully we will not be having this same conversation next year
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Dave do you think we need to bring in a X's and O's guy to replace Whitesell? I'm not close enough (or qualified enough) to make that determination, but even with Whitesell for 2 years we are still seeing issues with roster management, guys playing their roles, player development etc. I don't speak to educated basketball folks within knowledge of the program's inner-workings, so have no baselines to compare except that with Dunlap and lesser ranked players, the team had its best year by far under Lavin.
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Give him a two year contract . I am confident he will get us players. If we suck next year. Send him packing. Firing him now would be mistake . Brandon Sampson isn't good enough to keep him , but the 3/5 other players he will bring in are good enough to keep him. Gotta sweep this week.
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Give him a two year contract . I am confident he will get us players. If we suck next year. Send him packing. Firing him now would be mistake . Brandon Sampson isn't good enough to keep him , but the 3/5 other players he will bring in are good enough to keep him. Gotta sweep this week.
Where do you see this team finishing next year?
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Give him a two year contract . I am confident he will get us players. If we suck next year. Send him packing. Firing him now would be mistake . Brandon Sampson isn't good enough to keep him , but the 3/5 other players he will bring in are good enough to keep him. Gotta sweep this week.
Where do you see this team finishing next year?
If he can land a top 10 class, i think we can be top 5 in BE. i think our next class will be more talented, more well-rounded than his first.
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Give him a two year contract . I am confident he will get us players. If we suck next year. Send him packing. Firing him now would be mistake . Brandon Sampson isn't good enough to keep him , but the 3/5 other players he will bring in are good enough to keep him. Gotta sweep this week.
Where do you see this team finishing next year?
If he can land a top 10 class, i think we can be top 5 in BE. i think our next class will be more talented, more well-rounded than his first.
Finish top 5 with brand new starting 5.? Or you have Obekpa and Rysheed back?
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Give him a two year contract . I am confident he will get us players. If we suck next year. Send him packing. Firing him now would be mistake . Brandon Sampson isn't good enough to keep him , but the 3/5 other players he will bring in are good enough to keep him. Gotta sweep this week.
If you give him a two year extension then that's three all together. They won't two years on his contract. That then is atleast two more years with him. I say give him a one year extension.
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Give him a two year contract . I am confident he will get us players. If we suck next year. Send him packing. Firing him now would be mistake . Brandon Sampson isn't good enough to keep him , but the 3/5 other players he will bring in are good enough to keep him. Gotta sweep this week.
Where do you see this team finishing next year?
If he can land a top 10 class, i think we can be top 5 in BE. i think our next class will be more talented, more well-rounded than his first.
Finish top 5 with brand new starting 5.? Or you have Obekpa and Rysheed back?
I think Sheed comes back.
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Usually I lean more on the side of defending Baldi but in this case he's really stirring the pot hard. Just unwarranted attention.
As for Sampson, Lavin played an instrumental role in developing that relationship. Chiles on the ground started the digging the roots in Louisiana which will be more fruitful. They have A LOT of great young kids (2017-2019) that will certainly be giving SJU a look.
I think Lavin and staff have had their faults, string of bad luck, but ultimately as of right now the grass will not be any greener without them. Best to stick by them and hope that continuity will help the program rise to another level.
Your last paragraph neither you or I know for a fact.
Probably why he started it with "I think."
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The argument the pro-Lavin posters make about him being able to bring in good players is a ridiculous one. Yes, he can get 4 and 5 star guys. The problem is he doesn't win with them. What good are highly-rated recruits if they don't win? Give me a guy that will get 3 and 4 star guys that will stay 4 years, develop each season and know how to win over a coach like Lavin any day of the week.
Lavin has pulled in GREAT recruiting classes for SJU, but he has still proven he can't win here. Why would we keep a guy like that around? Unless he gets Diallo to come we won't be a tournament team next year, so unless he gets Diallo to come here he should be sent back to ESPN
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The argument the pro-Lavin posters make about him being able to bring in good players is a ridiculous one. Yes, he can get 4 and 5 star guys. The problem is he doesn't win with them. What good are highly-rated recruits if they don't win? Give me a guy that will get 3 and 4 star guys that will stay 4 years, develop each season and know how to win over a coach like Lavin any day of the week.
Lavin has pulled in GREAT recruiting classes for SJU, but he has still proven he can't win here. Why would we keep a guy like that around? Unless he gets Diallo to come we won't be a tournament team next year, so unless he gets Diallo to come here he should be sent back to ESPN
Please excuse my derisive tone. It is purely unintentional. However, you start off by saying that Lavin can't win with the 4 and 5 star guys he recruits. Then you say unless he brings in 5 star recruit Diallo, he should be fired. I'm confused.
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Also, keeping a coach for stability? What the heck does that mean? Unless you want to be an NIT every year then I guess that's a good idea
How come we didn't keep Norm for stability? Not sure how he differs from Lavin in that regard. How come Virginia didn't keep Dave Leitao for stability? Shouldn't Kentucky have kept Billy Gillespie for stability? Countless examples that show how ridiculous that argument is too
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i thought his contract was up. My apologies . I give him nothing. He has earned nothing extra . Hopefully he earns a contract . If not let him go. Guy has a year and half to prove himself.I should have known his contract situation since I have been commenting on it. But I have read that his contract is hindering recruiting so I assumed it was up.
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The argument the pro-Lavin posters make about him being able to bring in good players is a ridiculous one. Yes, he can get 4 and 5 star guys. The problem is he doesn't win with them. What good are highly-rated recruits if they don't win? Give me a guy that will get 3 and 4 star guys that will stay 4 years, develop each season and know how to win over a coach like Lavin any day of the week.
Lavin has pulled in GREAT recruiting classes for SJU, but he has still proven he can't win here. Why would we keep a guy like that around? Unless he gets Diallo to come we won't be a tournament team next year, so unless he gets Diallo to come here he should be sent back to ESPN
Please excuse my derisive tone. It is purely unintentional. However, you start off by saying that Lavin can't win with the 4 and 5 star guys he recruits. Then you say unless he brings in 5 star recruit Diallo, he should be fired. I'm confused.
Diallo is probably the one talent that would lead us to the tournament despite of Lavin's complete and utter incompetence. But even if he does come, how often will Lavin be in the mix for a top 5, program changing player?
In my mind, getting Diallo would earn Lavin one extra year to actually win and get some momentum going. If we don't get Diallo we are in the midst of yet another rebuild heading into Lavin's 6th season
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i thought his contract was up. My apologies . I give him nothing. He has earned nothing extra . Hopefully he earns a contract . If not let him go. Guy has a year and half to prove himself.I should have known his contract situation since I have been commenting on it. But I have read that his contract is hindering recruiting so I assumed it was up.
People say he's a lame duck coach, and recruits won't come here for Lavins last year on the contract.
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Usually I lean more on the side of defending Baldi but in this case he's really stirring the pot hard. Just unwarranted attention.
As for Sampson, Lavin played an instrumental role in developing that relationship. Chiles on the ground started the digging the roots in Louisiana which will be more fruitful. They have A LOT of great young kids (2017-2019) that will certainly be giving SJU a look.
I think Lavin and staff have had their faults, string of bad luck, but ultimately as of right now the grass will not be any greener without them. Best to stick by them and hope that continuity will help the program rise to another level.
Your last paragraph neither you or I know for a fact.
There are no names that I can realistically think of that would be better. This includes Mullin.
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There are plenty of good young coaches that would love the opportunity. We don't need a celebrity.
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There are plenty of good young coaches that would love the opportunity. We don't need a celebrity.
Finally some sense. Could you imagine if we had plucked Archie Miller before he went Dayton? No chance he comes here now but we probably could have had him not so long ago. Fran Mccaffery was in our backyard for a while and we have been excellent hire that nobody outside of hardcore college basketball fans knew about. There are other guys out there now just like this guys. Makes no sense to keep this guy that has proven he will be nothing more than mediocre when there are potentially great up and coming coaches out there.
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if we played either Dayton or Iowa we would beat them more then we would lose. Are either better? Both of these guys are more comparable then significantly better
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if we played either Dayton or Iowa we would beat them more then we would lose. Are either better? Both of these guys are more comparable then significantly better
We just lost to freakin DePaul and had Marquette give us a scare at home and you're telling me we would beat Dayton and Iowa more than we would lose? We might split with Dayton in a 10 game series, we lose to Iowa 8 out of 10 times. I don't know what world people live in sometimes. I really don't
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if we played either Dayton or Iowa we would beat them more then we would lose. Are either better? Both of these guys are more comparable then significantly better
We just lost to freakin DePaul and had Marquette give us a scare at home and you're telling me we would beat Dayton and Iowa more than we would lose? We might split with Dayton in a 10 game series, we lose to Iowa 8 out of 10 times. I don't know what world people live in sometimes. I really don't
Go ahead and look at Iowa's record under Fran. You would want him gone. And I'm a big Fran fan.
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if we played either Dayton or Iowa we would beat them more then we would lose. Are either better? Both of these guys are more comparable then significantly better
We just lost to freakin DePaul and had Marquette give us a scare at home and you're telling me we would beat Dayton and Iowa more than we would lose? We might split with Dayton in a 10 game series, we lose to Iowa 8 out of 10 times. I don't know what world people live in sometimes. I really don't
Go ahead and look at Iowa's record under Fran. You would want him gone. And I'm a big Fran fan.
This will be 2nd year in a row he makes the tournament with his recruits. Something Lavin hasn't done here
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if we played either Dayton or Iowa we would beat them more then we would lose. Are either better? Both of these guys are more comparable then significantly better
We just lost to freakin DePaul and had Marquette give us a scare at home and you're telling me we would beat Dayton and Iowa more than we would lose? We might split with Dayton in a 10 game series, we lose to Iowa 8 out of 10 times. I don't know what world people live in sometimes. I really don't
We beat Syracuse. Iowa lost to them. We beat Minnesota by 9 they won by 2. Only same opponents. Sorry you lost your argument. Maybe Fran is a better coach but its not a slam dunk. What world do you live in? By the way Dayton is only playing 5/6 guys coach must be an idiot.
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if we played either Dayton or Iowa we would beat them more then we would lose. Are either better? Both of these guys are more comparable then significantly better
We just lost to freakin DePaul and had Marquette give us a scare at home and you're telling me we would beat Dayton and Iowa more than we would lose? We might split with Dayton in a 10 game series, we lose to Iowa 8 out of 10 times. I don't know what world people live in sometimes. I really don't
We beat Syracuse. Iowa lost to them. We beat Minnesota by 9 they won by 2. Only same opponents. Sorry you lost your argument. Maybe Fran is a better coach but its not a slam dunk. What world do you live in? By the way Dayton is only playing 5/6 guys coach must be an idiot.
Iowa also beat UNC at the Dean Dome and swept Ohio State this season. Give Lavin an NBA team and he wouldn't do that.
Archie took Dayton to an elite 8. Let me repeat. Archie Miller took Dayton to an elite 8. And unlike Lavin, Archie knows how to coach a team that is down to 5-6 guys and is beating the teams they are supposed to beat.
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if we played either Dayton or Iowa we would beat them more then we would lose. Are either better? Both of these guys are more comparable then significantly better
We just lost to freakin DePaul and had Marquette give us a scare at home and you're telling me we would beat Dayton and Iowa more than we would lose? We might split with Dayton in a 10 game series, we lose to Iowa 8 out of 10 times. I don't know what world people live in sometimes. I really don't
We beat Syracuse. Iowa lost to them. We beat Minnesota by 9 they won by 2. Only same opponents. Sorry you lost your argument. Maybe Fran is a better coach but its not a slam dunk. What world do you live in? By the way Dayton is only playing 5/6 guys coach must be an idiot.
Iowa also beat UNC at the Dean Dome and swept Ohio State this season. Give Lavin an NBA team and he wouldn't do that.
Archie took Dayton to an elite 8. Let me repeat. Archie Miller took Dayton to an elite 8. And unlike Lavin, Archie knows how to coach a team that is down to 5-6 guys and is beating the teams they are supposed to beat.
Which up and coming coach do you think would come to St. John's?
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I have no inside knowledge. I think we lose both recruits if he is fired plus anyone we are still recruiting. Brandon Sampson isn't leaving his Lousianna to play for Tim Clueless. That is not a knock on Clueless either.
i kmow Dinkins mentioned it but didnt you swear off this message board. You were pretty addament about it and we were all real upeset and all. But you did make a promise not to come back amd here you are.
Clueless won't be the next coach of SJU so no need to worry about that. He would not be a good hire anyway.
If Diallo commits elsewhere in the next few weeks, is Sampson good enough for Lav to keep his job if they are indeed unhappy with him? I'd say not even close
One solo top recruit is is good enough, hell no.
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if we played either Dayton or Iowa we would beat them more then we would lose. Are either better? Both of these guys are more comparable then significantly better
We just lost to freakin DePaul and had Marquette give us a scare at home and you're telling me we would beat Dayton and Iowa more than we would lose? We might split with Dayton in a 10 game series, we lose to Iowa 8 out of 10 times. I don't know what world people live in sometimes. I really don't
We beat Syracuse. Iowa lost to them. We beat Minnesota by 9 they won by 2. Only same opponents. Sorry you lost your argument. Maybe Fran is a better coach but its not a slam dunk. What world do you live in? By the way Dayton is only playing 5/6 guys coach must be an idiot.
Iowa also beat UNC at the Dean Dome and swept Ohio State this season. Give Lavin an NBA team and he wouldn't do that.
Archie took Dayton to an elite 8. Let me repeat. Archie Miller took Dayton to an elite 8. And unlike Lavin, Archie knows how to coach a team that is down to 5-6 guys and is beating the teams they are supposed to beat.
Which up and coming coach do you think would come to St. John's?
I'd try first take a run at the Hurleys. If they balk, turn to Masiello and Pikiell just to name a few.
Even though I'd want an NY guy, Lonergan at GW is someone who obviously knows how to build a program, also have some assistants from successful programs like Mike Hopkins. All of these guys would be far better than Lavin, in my opinion
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if we played either Dayton or Iowa we would beat them more then we would lose. Are either better? Both of these guys are more comparable then significantly better
We just lost to freakin DePaul and had Marquette give us a scare at home and you're telling me we would beat Dayton and Iowa more than we would lose? We might split with Dayton in a 10 game series, we lose to Iowa 8 out of 10 times. I don't know what world people live in sometimes. I really don't
We beat Syracuse. Iowa lost to them. We beat Minnesota by 9 they won by 2. Only same opponents. Sorry you lost your argument. Maybe Fran is a better coach but its not a slam dunk. What world do you live in? By the way Dayton is only playing 5/6 guys coach must be an idiot.
Iowa also beat UNC at the Dean Dome and swept Ohio State this season. Give Lavin an NBA team and he wouldn't do that.
Archie took Dayton to an elite 8. Let me repeat. Archie Miller took Dayton to an elite 8. And unlike Lavin, Archie knows how to coach a team that is down to 5-6 guys and is beating the teams they are supposed to beat.
Which up and coming coach do you think would come to St. John's?
I'd try first take a run at the Hurleys. If they balk, turn to Masiello and Pikiell just to name a few.
Even though I'd want an NY guy, Lonergan at GW is someone who obviously knows how to build a program, also have some assistants from successful programs like Mike Hopkins. All of these guys would be far better than Lavin, in my opinion
Skip. In my opinion none of them would do a better job. Lavin isn't great but none of the guys you mentioned have proved themselves yet.
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if we played either Dayton or Iowa we would beat them more then we would lose. Are either better? Both of these guys are more comparable then significantly better
We just lost to freakin DePaul and had Marquette give us a scare at home and you're telling me we would beat Dayton and Iowa more than we would lose? We might split with Dayton in a 10 game series, we lose to Iowa 8 out of 10 times. I don't know what world people live in sometimes. I really don't
Go ahead and look at Iowa's record under Fran. You would want him gone. And I'm a big Fran fan.
This will be 2nd year in a row he makes the tournament with his recruits. Something Lavin hasn't done here
There is a good chance that at years end they both will have the same number of tourney appearances at their respective schools.
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The argument the pro-Lavin posters make about him being able to bring in good players is a ridiculous one. Yes, he can get 4 and 5 star guys. The problem is he doesn't win with them. What good are highly-rated recruits if they don't win? Give me a guy that will get 3 and 4 star guys that will stay 4 years, develop each season and know how to win over a coach like Lavin any day of the week.
Lavin has pulled in GREAT recruiting classes for SJU, but he has still proven he can't win here. Why would we keep a guy like that around? Unless he gets Diallo to come we won't be a tournament team next year, so unless he gets Diallo to come here he should be sent back to ESPN
+100000. Best post on this topic
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if we played either Dayton or Iowa we would beat them more then we would lose. Are either better? Both of these guys are more comparable then significantly better
We just lost to freakin DePaul and had Marquette give us a scare at home and you're telling me we would beat Dayton and Iowa more than we would lose? We might split with Dayton in a 10 game series, we lose to Iowa 8 out of 10 times. I don't know what world people live in sometimes. I really don't
We beat Syracuse. Iowa lost to them. We beat Minnesota by 9 they won by 2. Only same opponents. Sorry you lost your argument. Maybe Fran is a better coach but its not a slam dunk. What world do you live in? By the way Dayton is only playing 5/6 guys coach must be an idiot.
Iowa also beat UNC at the Dean Dome and swept Ohio State this season. Give Lavin an NBA team and he wouldn't do that.
Archie took Dayton to an elite 8. Let me repeat. Archie Miller took Dayton to an elite 8. And unlike Lavin, Archie knows how to coach a team that is down to 5-6 guys and is beating the teams they are supposed to beat.
Fran would not succeed here. He found the perfect job for him and his style.
Archie is a good coach but not sure he would bring in the same talent that Lavin has brought here.
Lavin has brought in talent like we haven't seen in a long time. It hasn't translated to tournament appearances, but the wins are there. The lack of depth this season is on him. But what does Lavin do best....he recruits. I say give him more time.
Also, I think this has been his best season as far as in game coaching.
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The argument the pro-Lavin posters make about him being able to bring in good players is a ridiculous one. Yes, he can get 4 and 5 star guys. The problem is he doesn't win with them. What good are highly-rated recruits if they don't win? Give me a guy that will get 3 and 4 star guys that will stay 4 years, develop each season and know how to win over a coach like Lavin any day of the week.
Lavin has pulled in GREAT recruiting classes for SJU, but he has still proven he can't win here. Why would we keep a guy like that around? Unless he gets Diallo to come we won't be a tournament team next year, so unless he gets Diallo to come here he should be sent back to ESPN
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Agreed. Goredmen is on top of his game
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if we played either Dayton or Iowa we would beat them more then we would lose. Are either better? Both of these guys are more comparable then significantly better
We just lost to freakin DePaul and had Marquette give us a scare at home and you're telling me we would beat Dayton and Iowa more than we would lose? We might split with Dayton in a 10 game series, we lose to Iowa 8 out of 10 times. I don't know what world people live in sometimes. I really don't
We beat Syracuse. Iowa lost to them. We beat Minnesota by 9 they won by 2. Only same opponents. Sorry you lost your argument. Maybe Fran is a better coach but its not a slam dunk. What world do you live in? By the way Dayton is only playing 5/6 guys coach must be an idiot.
Iowa also beat UNC at the Dean Dome and swept Ohio State this season. Give Lavin an NBA team and he wouldn't do that.
Archie took Dayton to an elite 8. Let me repeat. Archie Miller took Dayton to an elite 8. And unlike Lavin, Archie knows how to coach a team that is down to 5-6 guys and is beating the teams they are supposed to beat.
Fran would not succeed here. He found the perfect job for him and his style.
Archie is a good coach but not sure he would bring in the same talent that Lavin has brought here.
Lavin has brought in talent like we haven't seen in a long time. It hasn't translated to tournament appearances, but the wins are there. The lack of depth this season is on him. But what does Lavin do best....he recruits. I say give him more time.
Also, I think this has been his best season as far as in game coaching.
Again, who cares what kind of talent comes here if we are not making the tournament? What good is a 21 win season is you go 2-9 against actual good teams? Come on give me a break.
Last year we are getting smoked by Robert Morris in the NIT and Archie Miller is taking Dayton to the elite 8 for crying out loud but somehow Lavin is equal to or better than Archie. Archie is a rising superstar in the college coaching landscape. The only thing Lavin has proved is that no matter how much talent he has his team will always underachieve. That goes back to his days at UCLA. At this point in Norm's tenure everybody was hating him but Lavin is given a longer leash despite similar results.
We haven't had better success in the Lavin era outside of year 1 (Norm's guys) but somehow Lavin has the trust of a large portion of this fanbase. Yes, Lavin gives us something to be excited about when he reels in a 4 or 5 star recruit every once in a while. None of those guys had led to any real success here. Harrison is a top 10 player in school history and there's a strong chance he won't make the tournament once in his 4 years here. How insane is that
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if we played either Dayton or Iowa we would beat them more then we would lose. Are either better? Both of these guys are more comparable then significantly better
We just lost to freakin DePaul and had Marquette give us a scare at home and you're telling me we would beat Dayton and Iowa more than we would lose? We might split with Dayton in a 10 game series, we lose to Iowa 8 out of 10 times. I don't know what world people live in sometimes. I really don't
We beat Syracuse. Iowa lost to them. We beat Minnesota by 9 they won by 2. Only same opponents. Sorry you lost your argument. Maybe Fran is a better coach but its not a slam dunk. What world do you live in? By the way Dayton is only playing 5/6 guys coach must be an idiot.
Iowa also beat UNC at the Dean Dome and swept Ohio State this season. Give Lavin an NBA team and he wouldn't do that.
Archie took Dayton to an elite 8. Let me repeat. Archie Miller took Dayton to an elite 8. And unlike Lavin, Archie knows how to coach a team that is down to 5-6 guys and is beating the teams they are supposed to beat.
Fran would not succeed here. He found the perfect job for him and his style.
Archie is a good coach but not sure he would bring in the same talent that Lavin has brought here.
Lavin has brought in talent like we haven't seen in a long time. It hasn't translated to tournament appearances, but the wins are there. The lack of depth this season is on him. But what does Lavin do best....he recruits. I say give him more time.
Also, I think this has been his best season as far as in game coaching.
Again, who cares what kind of talent comes here if we are not making the tournament? What good is a 21 win season is you go 2-9 against actual good teams? Come on give me a break.
Last year we are getting smoked by Robert Morris in the NIT and Archie Miller is taking Dayton to the elite 8 for crying out loud but somehow Lavin is equal to or better than Archie. Archie is a rising superstar in the college coaching landscape. The only thing Lavin has proved is that no matter how much talent he has his team will always underachieve. That goes back to his days at UCLA. At this point in Norm's tenure everybody was hating him but Lavin is given a longer leash despite similar results.
We haven't had better success in the Lavin era outside of year 1 (Norm's guys) but somehow Lavin has the trust of a large portion of this fanbase. Yes, Lavin gives us something to be excited about when he reels in a 4 or 5 star recruit every once in a while. None of those guys had led to any real success here. Harrison is a top 10 player in school history and there's a strong chance he won't make the tournament once in his 4 years here. How insane is that
Lots of us care about what talent a coach can bring. Being a great XO guys is one thing, but you need talent to execute those XO's.
Sure, lack of tournament appearances sucks. But to say Lavin can't win with the talent isn't true. He won with Norms players...which Norm couldn't do. The team was one win away from making the tournament last year. And this years team is not out of the mix.
We had a guy for 6 years before Lavin, who recruited 3 and 4 star four year players. I don't think Lunardi ever mentioned their name once in 6 years. Now were ready to try that again, because Archie Miller had a good two weeks last March?
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I was thinking about this the other day and it might sound crazy, but was Norm Roberts a better recruiter than Steve Lavin? Steve Lavin has coached 2 groups of seniors. One was recruited by Norm and finished tied for 3rd in the best conference of all-time and made the NCAA tournament. The group of seniors that Lavin recruited is floundering to reach .500 in a glorified mid-major conference.
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if we played either Dayton or Iowa we would beat them more then we would lose. Are either better? Both of these guys are more comparable then significantly better
We just lost to freakin DePaul and had Marquette give us a scare at home and you're telling me we would beat Dayton and Iowa more than we would lose? We might split with Dayton in a 10 game series, we lose to Iowa 8 out of 10 times. I don't know what world people live in sometimes. I really don't
We beat Syracuse. Iowa lost to them. We beat Minnesota by 9 they won by 2. Only same opponents. Sorry you lost your argument. Maybe Fran is a better coach but its not a slam dunk. What world do you live in? By the way Dayton is only playing 5/6 guys coach must be an idiot.
Iowa also beat UNC at the Dean Dome and swept Ohio State this season. Give Lavin an NBA team and he wouldn't do that.
Archie took Dayton to an elite 8. Let me repeat. Archie Miller took Dayton to an elite 8. And unlike Lavin, Archie knows how to coach a team that is down to 5-6 guys and is beating the teams they are supposed to beat.
Fran would not succeed here. He found the perfect job for him and his style.
Archie is a good coach but not sure he would bring in the same talent that Lavin has brought here.
Lavin has brought in talent like we haven't seen in a long time. It hasn't translated to tournament appearances, but the wins are there. The lack of depth this season is on him. But what does Lavin do best....he recruits. I say give him more time.
Also, I think this has been his best season as far as in game coaching.
Again, who cares what kind of talent comes here if we are not making the tournament? What good is a 21 win season is you go 2-9 against actual good teams? Come on give me a break.
Last year we are getting smoked by Robert Morris in the NIT and Archie Miller is taking Dayton to the elite 8 for crying out loud but somehow Lavin is equal to or better than Archie. Archie is a rising superstar in the college coaching landscape. The only thing Lavin has proved is that no matter how much talent he has his team will always underachieve. That goes back to his days at UCLA. At this point in Norm's tenure everybody was hating him but Lavin is given a longer leash despite similar results.
We haven't had better success in the Lavin era outside of year 1 (Norm's guys) but somehow Lavin has the trust of a large portion of this fanbase. Yes, Lavin gives us something to be excited about when he reels in a 4 or 5 star recruit every once in a while. None of those guys had led to any real success here. Harrison is a top 10 player in school history and there's a strong chance he won't make the tournament once in his 4 years here. How insane is that
Lots of us care about what talent a coach can bring. Being a great XO guys is one thing, but you need talent to execute those XO's.
Sure, lack of tournament appearances sucks. But to say Lavin can't win with the talent isn't true. He won with Norms players...which Norm couldn't do. The team was one win away from making the tournament last year. And this years team is not out of the mix.
We had a guy for 6 years before Lavin, who recruited 3 and 4 star four year players. I don't think Lunardi ever mentioned their name once in 6 years. Now were ready to try that again, because Archie Miller had a good two weeks last March?
We got rid of Norm because he's proven he couldn't win. Lavin has now done the same. Multiple great recruiting classes in a row all for naught.
If Lavin has taken us to an elite 8 I would be his biggest fan. Archie took a team to the elite 8 in his 3rd year as a Head Coach, but because he only has 4 years of Head Coaching experience we shouldn't take a chance on him? No good coaches would be found by that logic. He has won 65% of his games at Dayton. What makes you think he wouldn't be able to do even better in NYC in a better conference?
Archie had taken a program with 1 NCAA tournament win in it's last 22 years to an elite 8 in his 3rd year. I wonder if there are any programs with similar NCAA futility he might be able to turn around.....
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I was thinking about this the other day and it might sound crazy, but was Norm Roberts a better recruiter than Steve Lavin? Steve Lavin has coached 2 groups of seniors. One was recruited by Norm and finished tied for 3rd in the best conference of all-time and made the NCAA tournament. The group of seniors that Lavin recruited is floundering to reach .500 in a glorified mid-major conference.
To be fair, this group of seniors is missing Harkless and Sampson.
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I was thinking about this the other day and it might sound crazy, but was Norm Roberts a better recruiter than Steve Lavin? Steve Lavin has coached 2 groups of seniors. One was recruited by Norm and finished tied for 3rd in the best conference of all-time and made the NCAA tournament. The group of seniors that Lavin recruited is floundering to reach .500 in a glorified mid-major conference.
Now that I think of it, it's quite ironic that Lavin won with Norm's team which is something that Norm would not have been able to do that year, and if we had a different coach last year and/or this year, that coach would have won with Lavin's guys, something Lavin hasn't been able to do
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I was thinking about this the other day and it might sound crazy, but was Norm Roberts a better recruiter than Steve Lavin? Steve Lavin has coached 2 groups of seniors. One was recruited by Norm and finished tied for 3rd in the best conference of all-time and made the NCAA tournament. The group of seniors that Lavin recruited is floundering to reach .500 in a glorified mid-major conference.
To be fair, this group of seniors is missing Harkless and Sampson.
Well, Norm's group of seniors was missing Mike Cavataio...
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There is a large percentage of fans who understand Lavin took over a program in shambles, and had to start from scratch, and Rome was not built in a day. Respect has to be earned. We are relevant again, after ten plus years of failure. Just because the same few posters keep banging the fire Lavin drum does not mean that that is the consensus among the larger fan base.
Excuse me, but this is his 5th year, not his first or second year. That is enough time to restore order, so dont give us the norm excuse.
So, if no ncaa tournament this year, it's not a failure? The last 4 years wtf has he done.
HNe doesn't deserve the right for an extension.
Is this the psuedo-reincarnation (pun intended) since you were supposedly done posting here about a month or so ago?
Oh well, I guess I changed my mind, to bad.
Keep your Lavin pom poms in your hands Dinkins.
LOL
Where have I raved about Lavin? Please show me. I'll be waiting.
I should've known you'd pull out a strawman. That's your strength. Oh! And, getting banned everywhere you post.
Go back to your unstable rants on Twitter.
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if we played either Dayton or Iowa we would beat them more then we would lose. Are either better? Both of these guys are more comparable then significantly better
We just lost to freakin DePaul and had Marquette give us a scare at home and you're telling me we would beat Dayton and Iowa more than we would lose? We might split with Dayton in a 10 game series, we lose to Iowa 8 out of 10 times. I don't know what world people live in sometimes. I really don't
We beat Syracuse. Iowa lost to them. We beat Minnesota by 9 they won by 2. Only same opponents. Sorry you lost your argument. Maybe Fran is a better coach but its not a slam dunk. What world do you live in? By the way Dayton is only playing 5/6 guys coach must be an idiot.
Iowa also beat UNC at the Dean Dome and swept Ohio State this season. Give Lavin an NBA team and he wouldn't do that.
Archie took Dayton to an elite 8. Let me repeat. Archie Miller took Dayton to an elite 8. And unlike Lavin, Archie knows how to coach a team that is down to 5-6 guys and is beating the teams they are supposed to beat.
Fran would not succeed here. He found the perfect job for him and his style.
Archie is a good coach but not sure he would bring in the same talent that Lavin has brought here.
Lavin has brought in talent like we haven't seen in a long time. It hasn't translated to tournament appearances, but the wins are there. The lack of depth this season is on him. But what does Lavin do best....he recruits. I say give him more time.
Also, I think this has been his best season as far as in game coaching.
Again, who cares what kind of talent comes here if we are not making the tournament? What good is a 21 win season is you go 2-9 against actual good teams? Come on give me a break.
Last year we are getting smoked by Robert Morris in the NIT and Archie Miller is taking Dayton to the elite 8 for crying out loud but somehow Lavin is equal to or better than Archie. Archie is a rising superstar in the college coaching landscape. The only thing Lavin has proved is that no matter how much talent he has his team will always underachieve. That goes back to his days at UCLA. At this point in Norm's tenure everybody was hating him but Lavin is given a longer leash despite similar results.
We haven't had better success in the Lavin era outside of year 1 (Norm's guys) but somehow Lavin has the trust of a large portion of this fanbase. Yes, Lavin gives us something to be excited about when he reels in a 4 or 5 star recruit every once in a while. None of those guys had led to any real success here. Harrison is a top 10 player in school history and there's a strong chance he won't make the tournament once in his 4 years here. How insane is that
Lots of us care about what talent a coach can bring. Being a great XO guys is one thing, but you need talent to execute those XO's.
Sure, lack of tournament appearances sucks. But to say Lavin can't win with the talent isn't true. He won with Norms players...which Norm couldn't do. The team was one win away from making the tournament last year. And this years team is not out of the mix.
We had a guy for 6 years before Lavin, who recruited 3 and 4 star four year players. I don't think Lunardi ever mentioned their name once in 6 years. Now were ready to try that again, because Archie Miller had a good two weeks last March?
We got rid of Norm because he's proven he couldn't win. Lavin has now done the same. Multiple great recruiting classes in a row all for naught.
If Lavin has taken us to an elite 8 I would be his biggest fan. Archie took a team to the elite 8 in his 3rd year as a Head Coach, but because he only has 4 years of Head Coaching experience we shouldn't take a chance on him? No good coaches would be found by that logic. He has won 65% of his games at Dayton. What makes you think he wouldn't be able to do even better in NYC in a better conference?
Archie had taken a program with 1 NCAA tournament win in it's last 22 years to an elite 8 in his 3rd year. I wonder if there are any programs with similar NCAA futility he might be able to turn around.....
Archie would be a great get, but he isn't coming to Queens.
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if we played either Dayton or Iowa we would beat them more then we would lose. Are either better? Both of these guys are more comparable then significantly better
We just lost to freakin DePaul and had Marquette give us a scare at home and you're telling me we would beat Dayton and Iowa more than we would lose? We might split with Dayton in a 10 game series, we lose to Iowa 8 out of 10 times. I don't know what world people live in sometimes. I really don't
We beat Syracuse. Iowa lost to them. We beat Minnesota by 9 they won by 2. Only same opponents. Sorry you lost your argument. Maybe Fran is a better coach but its not a slam dunk. What world do you live in? By the way Dayton is only playing 5/6 guys coach must be an idiot.
Iowa also beat UNC at the Dean Dome and swept Ohio State this season. Give Lavin an NBA team and he wouldn't do that.
Archie took Dayton to an elite 8. Let me repeat. Archie Miller took Dayton to an elite 8. And unlike Lavin, Archie knows how to coach a team that is down to 5-6 guys and is beating the teams they are supposed to beat.
Fran would not succeed here. He found the perfect job for him and his style.
Archie is a good coach but not sure he would bring in the same talent that Lavin has brought here.
Lavin has brought in talent like we haven't seen in a long time. It hasn't translated to tournament appearances, but the wins are there. The lack of depth this season is on him. But what does Lavin do best....he recruits. I say give him more time.
Also, I think this has been his best season as far as in game coaching.
Again, who cares what kind of talent comes here if we are not making the tournament? What good is a 21 win season is you go 2-9 against actual good teams? Come on give me a break.
Last year we are getting smoked by Robert Morris in the NIT and Archie Miller is taking Dayton to the elite 8 for crying out loud but somehow Lavin is equal to or better than Archie. Archie is a rising superstar in the college coaching landscape. The only thing Lavin has proved is that no matter how much talent he has his team will always underachieve. That goes back to his days at UCLA. At this point in Norm's tenure everybody was hating him but Lavin is given a longer leash despite similar results.
We haven't had better success in the Lavin era outside of year 1 (Norm's guys) but somehow Lavin has the trust of a large portion of this fanbase. Yes, Lavin gives us something to be excited about when he reels in a 4 or 5 star recruit every once in a while. None of those guys had led to any real success here. Harrison is a top 10 player in school history and there's a strong chance he won't make the tournament once in his 4 years here. How insane is that
Lots of us care about what talent a coach can bring. Being a great XO guys is one thing, but you need talent to execute those XO's.
Sure, lack of tournament appearances sucks. But to say Lavin can't win with the talent isn't true. He won with Norms players...which Norm couldn't do. The team was one win away from making the tournament last year. And this years team is not out of the mix.
We had a guy for 6 years before Lavin, who recruited 3 and 4 star four year players. I don't think Lunardi ever mentioned their name once in 6 years. Now were ready to try that again, because Archie Miller had a good two weeks last March?
We got rid of Norm because he's proven he couldn't win. Lavin has now done the same. Multiple great recruiting classes in a row all for naught.
If Lavin has taken us to an elite 8 I would be his biggest fan. Archie took a team to the elite 8 in his 3rd year as a Head Coach, but because he only has 4 years of Head Coaching experience we shouldn't take a chance on him? No good coaches would be found by that logic. He has won 65% of his games at Dayton. What makes you think he wouldn't be able to do even better in NYC in a better conference?
Archie had taken a program with 1 NCAA tournament win in it's last 22 years to an elite 8 in his 3rd year. I wonder if there are any programs with similar NCAA futility he might be able to turn around.....
Archie would be a great get, but he isn't coming to Queens.
I know that. But why can't we try and find the next Archie instead of keeping this failed experiment going?
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if we played either Dayton or Iowa we would beat them more then we would lose. Are either better? Both of these guys are more comparable then significantly better
We just lost to freakin DePaul and had Marquette give us a scare at home and you're telling me we would beat Dayton and Iowa more than we would lose? We might split with Dayton in a 10 game series, we lose to Iowa 8 out of 10 times. I don't know what world people live in sometimes. I really don't
We beat Syracuse. Iowa lost to them. We beat Minnesota by 9 they won by 2. Only same opponents. Sorry you lost your argument. Maybe Fran is a better coach but its not a slam dunk. What world do you live in? By the way Dayton is only playing 5/6 guys coach must be an idiot.
Iowa also beat UNC at the Dean Dome and swept Ohio State this season. Give Lavin an NBA team and he wouldn't do that.
Archie took Dayton to an elite 8. Let me repeat. Archie Miller took Dayton to an elite 8. And unlike Lavin, Archie knows how to coach a team that is down to 5-6 guys and is beating the teams they are supposed to beat.
Fran would not succeed here. He found the perfect job for him and his style.
Archie is a good coach but not sure he would bring in the same talent that Lavin has brought here.
Lavin has brought in talent like we haven't seen in a long time. It hasn't translated to tournament appearances, but the wins are there. The lack of depth this season is on him. But what does Lavin do best....he recruits. I say give him more time.
Also, I think this has been his best season as far as in game coaching.
Again, who cares what kind of talent comes here if we are not making the tournament? What good is a 21 win season is you go 2-9 against actual good teams? Come on give me a break.
Last year we are getting smoked by Robert Morris in the NIT and Archie Miller is taking Dayton to the elite 8 for crying out loud but somehow Lavin is equal to or better than Archie. Archie is a rising superstar in the college coaching landscape. The only thing Lavin has proved is that no matter how much talent he has his team will always underachieve. That goes back to his days at UCLA. At this point in Norm's tenure everybody was hating him but Lavin is given a longer leash despite similar results.
We haven't had better success in the Lavin era outside of year 1 (Norm's guys) but somehow Lavin has the trust of a large portion of this fanbase. Yes, Lavin gives us something to be excited about when he reels in a 4 or 5 star recruit every once in a while. None of those guys had led to any real success here. Harrison is a top 10 player in school history and there's a strong chance he won't make the tournament once in his 4 years here. How insane is that
Lots of us care about what talent a coach can bring. Being a great XO guys is one thing, but you need talent to execute those XO's.
Sure, lack of tournament appearances sucks. But to say Lavin can't win with the talent isn't true. He won with Norms players...which Norm couldn't do. The team was one win away from making the tournament last year. And this years team is not out of the mix.
We had a guy for 6 years before Lavin, who recruited 3 and 4 star four year players. I don't think Lunardi ever mentioned their name once in 6 years. Now were ready to try that again, because Archie Miller had a good two weeks last March?
We got rid of Norm because he's proven he couldn't win. Lavin has now done the same. Multiple great recruiting classes in a row all for naught.
If Lavin has taken us to an elite 8 I would be his biggest fan. Archie took a team to the elite 8 in his 3rd year as a Head Coach, but because he only has 4 years of Head Coaching experience we shouldn't take a chance on him? No good coaches would be found by that logic. He has won 65% of his games at Dayton. What makes you think he wouldn't be able to do even better in NYC in a better conference?
Archie had taken a program with 1 NCAA tournament win in it's last 22 years to an elite 8 in his 3rd year. I wonder if there are any programs with similar NCAA futility he might be able to turn around.....
If Norm won 20 games in a season he would still be head coach at St. John's.
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The argument the pro-Lavin posters make about him being able to bring in good players is a ridiculous one. Yes, he can get 4 and 5 star guys. The problem is he doesn't win with them. What good are highly-rated recruits if they don't win? Give me a guy that will get 3 and 4 star guys that will stay 4 years, develop each season and know how to win over a coach like Lavin any day of the week.
Lavin has pulled in GREAT recruiting classes for SJU, but he has still proven he can't win here. Why would we keep a guy like that around? Unless he gets Diallo to come we won't be a tournament team next year, so unless he gets Diallo to come here he should be sent back to ESPN
Please excuse my derisive tone. It is purely unintentional. However, you start off by saying that Lavin can't win with the 4 and 5 star guys he recruits. Then you say unless he brings in 5 star recruit Diallo, he should be fired. I'm confused.
LOL
Just the usual contradictory foolishness that arises from the chattery folks. Some of this stuff is funny. On the real.
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There is a large percentage of fans who understand Lavin took over a program in shambles, and had to start from scratch, and Rome was not built in a day. Respect has to be earned. We are relevant again, after ten plus years of failure. Just because the same few posters keep banging the fire Lavin drum does not mean that that is the consensus among the larger fan base.
Excuse me, but this is his 5th year, not his first or second year. That is enough time to restore order, so dont give us the norm excuse.
So, if no ncaa tournament this year, it's not a failure? The last 4 years wtf has he done.
HNe doesn't deserve the right for an extension.
Is this the psuedo-reincarnation (pun intended) since you were supposedly done posting here about a month or so ago?
Oh well, I guess I changed my mind, to bad.
Keep your Lavin pom poms in your hands Dinkins.
LOL
Where have I raved about Lavin? Please show me. I'll be waiting.
I should've known you'd pull out a strawman. That's your strength. Oh! And, getting banned everywhere you post.
Go back to your unstable rants on Twitter.
LOL I have a Twitter account? I never knew that, but thanks for letting me know you little girl. And nah I never been banned, lol I'm Joe3 right? ummm ok if you think so. lol
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I stopped reading this thread and just skimmed when I saw someone suggest Mike Hopkins. Then I think I saw someone mention Norm being a better recruiter than Lavin. OMG!!!
I tell you what, I like Norm. Bring him back. Then everyone please shut up and just accept the job he does. I'm so tired of all this bitching about changing coaches. Yes, I know. This is a fan board. This is what is supposed to be discussed here. Everyone has a right to express their opinion and if I don't like it, I don't have to read it. Yada, yada yada!
These boards are becoming pure garbage because the same tired crap is spewed over and over---on both sides. The worst thing is the people who come on here and make these declarations like they are fact, instead of expressing it as their opinion. So tiring.
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if we played either Dayton or Iowa we would beat them more then we would lose. Are either better? Both of these guys are more comparable then significantly better
We just lost to freakin DePaul and had Marquette give us a scare at home and you're telling me we would beat Dayton and Iowa more than we would lose? We might split with Dayton in a 10 game series, we lose to Iowa 8 out of 10 times. I don't know what world people live in sometimes. I really don't
We beat Syracuse. Iowa lost to them. We beat Minnesota by 9 they won by 2. Only same opponents. Sorry you lost your argument. Maybe Fran is a better coach but its not a slam dunk. What world do you live in? By the way Dayton is only playing 5/6 guys coach must be an idiot.
Iowa also beat UNC at the Dean Dome and swept Ohio State this season. Give Lavin an NBA team and he wouldn't do that.
Archie took Dayton to an elite 8. Let me repeat. Archie Miller took Dayton to an elite 8. And unlike Lavin, Archie knows how to coach a team that is down to 5-6 guys and is beating the teams they are supposed to beat.
Fran would not succeed here. He found the perfect job for him and his style.
Archie is a good coach but not sure he would bring in the same talent that Lavin has brought here.
Lavin has brought in talent like we haven't seen in a long time. It hasn't translated to tournament appearances, but the wins are there. The lack of depth this season is on him. But what does Lavin do best....he recruits. I say give him more time.
Also, I think this has been his best season as far as in game coaching.
Again, who cares what kind of talent comes here if we are not making the tournament? What good is a 21 win season is you go 2-9 against actual good teams? Come on give me a break.
Last year we are getting smoked by Robert Morris in the NIT and Archie Miller is taking Dayton to the elite 8 for crying out loud but somehow Lavin is equal to or better than Archie. Archie is a rising superstar in the college coaching landscape. The only thing Lavin has proved is that no matter how much talent he has his team will always underachieve. That goes back to his days at UCLA. At this point in Norm's tenure everybody was hating him but Lavin is given a longer leash despite similar results.
We haven't had better success in the Lavin era outside of year 1 (Norm's guys) but somehow Lavin has the trust of a large portion of this fanbase. Yes, Lavin gives us something to be excited about when he reels in a 4 or 5 star recruit every once in a while. None of those guys had led to any real success here. Harrison is a top 10 player in school history and there's a strong chance he won't make the tournament once in his 4 years here. How insane is that
Lots of us care about what talent a coach can bring. Being a great XO guys is one thing, but you need talent to execute those XO's.
Sure, lack of tournament appearances sucks. But to say Lavin can't win with the talent isn't true. He won with Norms players...which Norm couldn't do. The team was one win away from making the tournament last year. And this years team is not out of the mix.
We had a guy for 6 years before Lavin, who recruited 3 and 4 star four year players. I don't think Lunardi ever mentioned their name once in 6 years. Now were ready to try that again, because Archie Miller had a good two weeks last March?
We got rid of Norm because he's proven he couldn't win. Lavin has now done the same. Multiple great recruiting classes in a row all for naught.
If Lavin has taken us to an elite 8 I would be his biggest fan. Archie took a team to the elite 8 in his 3rd year as a Head Coach, but because he only has 4 years of Head Coaching experience we shouldn't take a chance on him? No good coaches would be found by that logic. He has won 65% of his games at Dayton. What makes you think he wouldn't be able to do even better in NYC in a better conference?
Archie had taken a program with 1 NCAA tournament win in it's last 22 years to an elite 8 in his 3rd year. I wonder if there are any programs with similar NCAA futility he might be able to turn around.....
Archie would be a great get, but he isn't coming to Queens.
I know that. But why can't we try and find the next Archie instead of keeping this failed experiment going?
Because the search committee would fail like they have on the last 5 tries.
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The argument the pro-Lavin posters make about him being able to bring in good players is a ridiculous one. Yes, he can get 4 and 5 star guys. The problem is he doesn't win with them. What good are highly-rated recruits if they don't win? Give me a guy that will get 3 and 4 star guys that will stay 4 years, develop each season and know how to win over a coach like Lavin any day of the week.
Lavin has pulled in GREAT recruiting classes for SJU, but he has still proven he can't win here. Why would we keep a guy like that around? Unless he gets Diallo to come we won't be a tournament team next year, so unless he gets Diallo to come here he should be sent back to ESPN
Please excuse my derisive tone. It is purely unintentional. However, you start off by saying that Lavin can't win with the 4 and 5 star guys he recruits. Then you say unless he brings in 5 star recruit Diallo, he should be fired. I'm confused.
LOL
Just the usual contradictory foolishness that arises from the chattery folks. Some of this stuff is funny. On the real.
Always see Dinkins on here and on redmen, always saying that others are fools when he disagrees with others.
This clown thinks he's someone important to try and put down others when he disagrees with them.
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if we played either Dayton or Iowa we would beat them more then we would lose. Are either better? Both of these guys are more comparable then significantly better
We just lost to freakin DePaul and had Marquette give us a scare at home and you're telling me we would beat Dayton and Iowa more than we would lose? We might split with Dayton in a 10 game series, we lose to Iowa 8 out of 10 times. I don't know what world people live in sometimes. I really don't
We beat Syracuse. Iowa lost to them. We beat Minnesota by 9 they won by 2. Only same opponents. Sorry you lost your argument. Maybe Fran is a better coach but its not a slam dunk. What world do you live in? By the way Dayton is only playing 5/6 guys coach must be an idiot.
Iowa also beat UNC at the Dean Dome and swept Ohio State this season. Give Lavin an NBA team and he wouldn't do that.
Archie took Dayton to an elite 8. Let me repeat. Archie Miller took Dayton to an elite 8. And unlike Lavin, Archie knows how to coach a team that is down to 5-6 guys and is beating the teams they are supposed to beat.
Fran would not succeed here. He found the perfect job for him and his style.
Archie is a good coach but not sure he would bring in the same talent that Lavin has brought here.
Lavin has brought in talent like we haven't seen in a long time. It hasn't translated to tournament appearances, but the wins are there. The lack of depth this season is on him. But what does Lavin do best....he recruits. I say give him more time.
Also, I think this has been his best season as far as in game coaching.
Again, who cares what kind of talent comes here if we are not making the tournament? What good is a 21 win season is you go 2-9 against actual good teams? Come on give me a break.
Last year we are getting smoked by Robert Morris in the NIT and Archie Miller is taking Dayton to the elite 8 for crying out loud but somehow Lavin is equal to or better than Archie. Archie is a rising superstar in the college coaching landscape. The only thing Lavin has proved is that no matter how much talent he has his team will always underachieve. That goes back to his days at UCLA. At this point in Norm's tenure everybody was hating him but Lavin is given a longer leash despite similar results.
We haven't had better success in the Lavin era outside of year 1 (Norm's guys) but somehow Lavin has the trust of a large portion of this fanbase. Yes, Lavin gives us something to be excited about when he reels in a 4 or 5 star recruit every once in a while. None of those guys had led to any real success here. Harrison is a top 10 player in school history and there's a strong chance he won't make the tournament once in his 4 years here. How insane is that
Lots of us care about what talent a coach can bring. Being a great XO guys is one thing, but you need talent to execute those XO's.
Sure, lack of tournament appearances sucks. But to say Lavin can't win with the talent isn't true. He won with Norms players...which Norm couldn't do. The team was one win away from making the tournament last year. And this years team is not out of the mix.
We had a guy for 6 years before Lavin, who recruited 3 and 4 star four year players. I don't think Lunardi ever mentioned their name once in 6 years. Now were ready to try that again, because Archie Miller had a good two weeks last March?
We got rid of Norm because he's proven he couldn't win. Lavin has now done the same. Multiple great recruiting classes in a row all for naught.
If Lavin has taken us to an elite 8 I would be his biggest fan. Archie took a team to the elite 8 in his 3rd year as a Head Coach, but because he only has 4 years of Head Coaching experience we shouldn't take a chance on him? No good coaches would be found by that logic. He has won 65% of his games at Dayton. What makes you think he wouldn't be able to do even better in NYC in a better conference?
Archie had taken a program with 1 NCAA tournament win in it's last 22 years to an elite 8 in his 3rd year. I wonder if there are any programs with similar NCAA futility he might be able to turn around.....
Archie would be a great get, but he isn't coming to Queens.
I know that. But why can't we try and find the next Archie instead of keeping this failed experiment going?
Because the search committee would fail like they have on the last 5 tries.
Even a blind squirrel....
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There is a large percentage of fans who understand Lavin took over a program in shambles, and had to start from scratch, and Rome was not built in a day. Respect has to be earned. We are relevant again, after ten plus years of failure. Just because the same few posters keep banging the fire Lavin drum does not mean that that is the consensus among the larger fan base.
Excuse me, but this is his 5th year, not his first or second year. That is enough time to restore order, so dont give us the norm excuse.
So, if no ncaa tournament this year, it's not a failure? The last 4 years wtf has he done.
HNe doesn't deserve the right for an extension.
Is this the psuedo-reincarnation (pun intended) since you were supposedly done posting here about a month or so ago?
Oh well, I guess I changed my mind, to bad.
Keep your Lavin pom poms in your hands Dinkins.
LOL
Where have I raved about Lavin? Please show me. I'll be waiting.
I should've known you'd pull out a strawman. That's your strength. Oh! And, getting banned everywhere you post.
Go back to your unstable rants on Twitter.
LOL I have a Twitter account? I never knew that, but thanks for letting me know you little girl. And nah I never been banned, lol I'm Joe3 right? ummm ok if you think so. lol
Yes, you do.
Hence, why you immediately deleted a post I made, per your Twitter account, that resembled a post you made on this forum.
Here is a post from you on JJ after we missed out on Briscoe.....
We all knew that Lavin couldn't coach.
We thought that he could recruit, but at ST. John's he can't.
With no frontcourt besides Obekpa, we won't get to the NCAA again.
So why keep Lavin?
http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=5927.msg208412#msg208412
Here is a post from you on your Twitter account on the same day....
Exiled Redman
@brandersen631
We knew Lavin couldn't coach. We knew he couldn't develop players. We knew he could recruit. Now he can't even do that…hello hotseat. #sjubb
But you deleted it AFTER I posted your Twitter quote on JJ.
Little girl? LOL You're the one who bitched about a medium shirt.
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The argument the pro-Lavin posters make about him being able to bring in good players is a ridiculous one. Yes, he can get 4 and 5 star guys. The problem is he doesn't win with them. What good are highly-rated recruits if they don't win? Give me a guy that will get 3 and 4 star guys that will stay 4 years, develop each season and know how to win over a coach like Lavin any day of the week.
Lavin has pulled in GREAT recruiting classes for SJU, but he has still proven he can't win here. Why would we keep a guy like that around? Unless he gets Diallo to come we won't be a tournament team next year, so unless he gets Diallo to come here he should be sent back to ESPN
Please excuse my derisive tone. It is purely unintentional. However, you start off by saying that Lavin can't win with the 4 and 5 star guys he recruits. Then you say unless he brings in 5 star recruit Diallo, he should be fired. I'm confused.
LOL
Just the usual contradictory foolishness that arises from the chattery folks. Some of this stuff is funny. On the real.
Always see Dinkins on here and on redmen, always saying that others are fools when he disagrees with others.
This clown thinks he's someone important to try and put down others when he disagrees with them.
How do you know what I do on Redmen? Oh! Because, you were banned from there, right? LOL
Too bad, you don't know why you're considered the clown. It doesn't have anything to do with disagreeing with me. It's because you're silly, and make about as much sense as a piece of wet wood.
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Imo, the best bet would probably be to extend Lavin for 3 years and see if the Hurleys or someone like Orlando Antigua prove themselves as a viable candidate.
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There is a large percentage of fans who understand Lavin took over a program in shambles, and had to start from scratch, and Rome was not built in a day. Respect has to be earned. We are relevant again, after ten plus years of failure. Just because the same few posters keep banging the fire Lavin drum does not mean that that is the consensus among the larger fan base.
Excuse me, but this is his 5th year, not his first or second year. That is enough time to restore order, so dont give us the norm excuse.
So, if no ncaa tournament this year, it's not a failure? The last 4 years wtf has he done.
HNe doesn't deserve the right for an extension.
Is this the psuedo-reincarnation (pun intended) since you were supposedly done posting here about a month or so ago?
Oh well, I guess I changed my mind, to bad.
Keep your Lavin pom poms in your hands Dinkins.
LOL
Where have I raved about Lavin? Please show me. I'll be waiting.
I should've known you'd pull out a strawman. That's your strength. Oh! And, getting banned everywhere you post.
Go back to your unstable rants on Twitter.
LOL I have a Twitter account? I never knew that, but thanks for letting me know you little girl. And nah I never been banned, lol I'm Joe3 right? ummm ok if you think so. lol
Yes, you do.
Hence, why you immediately deleted a post I made, per your Twitter account, that resembled a post you made on this forum.
Here is a post from you on JJ after we missed out on Briscoe.....
We all knew that Lavin couldn't coach.
We thought that he could recruit, but at ST. John's he can't.
With no frontcourt besides Obekpa, we won't get to the NCAA again.
So why keep Lavin?
http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=5927.msg208412#msg208412
Here is a post from you on your Twitter account on the same day....
Exiled Redman
@brandersen631
We knew Lavin couldn't coach. We knew he couldn't develop players. We knew he could recruit. Now he can't even do that…hello hotseat. #sjubb
But you deleted it AFTER I posted your Twitter quote on JJ.
Little girl? LOL You're the one who bitched about a medium shirt.
Yeah, I did post exact that after Lavin lost out on Briscoe.
Maybe the guy on Twitter was thinking those same thoughts? wtf would I hide, if I was Joe3 I'd say I was, wtf is it a life or death matter that I gotta hide. Yeah I heard what happened on here with the tee-shirts. That's not my problem though.
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The argument the pro-Lavin posters make about him being able to bring in good players is a ridiculous one. Yes, he can get 4 and 5 star guys. The problem is he doesn't win with them. What good are highly-rated recruits if they don't win? Give me a guy that will get 3 and 4 star guys that will stay 4 years, develop each season and know how to win over a coach like Lavin any day of the week.
Lavin has pulled in GREAT recruiting classes for SJU, but he has still proven he can't win here. Why would we keep a guy like that around? Unless he gets Diallo to come we won't be a tournament team next year, so unless he gets Diallo to come here he should be sent back to ESPN
Please excuse my derisive tone. It is purely unintentional. However, you start off by saying that Lavin can't win with the 4 and 5 star guys he recruits. Then you say unless he brings in 5 star recruit Diallo, he should be fired. I'm confused.
LOL
Just the usual contradictory foolishness that arises from the chattery folks. Some of this stuff is funny. On the real.
Always see Dinkins on here and on redmen, always saying that others are fools when he disagrees with others.
This clown thinks he's someone important to try and put down others when he disagrees with them.
How do you know what I do on Redmen? Oh! Because, you were banned from there, right? LOL
Too bad, you don't know why you're considered the clown. It doesn't have anything to do with disagreeing with me. It's because you're silly, and make about as much sense as a piece of wet wood.
lol at how do I know. I read the other site that's how you simpleton. I always see you fighting with others on here and there, you are just a funny ass clown. So many people Pm'd me and tell me you are an idiot.
So yeah keep thinking that you are the man.
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There is a large percentage of fans who understand Lavin took over a program in shambles, and had to start from scratch, and Rome was not built in a day. Respect has to be earned. We are relevant again, after ten plus years of failure. Just because the same few posters keep banging the fire Lavin drum does not mean that that is the consensus among the larger fan base.
Excuse me, but this is his 5th year, not his first or second year. That is enough time to restore order, so dont give us the norm excuse.
So, if no ncaa tournament this year, it's not a failure? The last 4 years wtf has he done.
HNe doesn't deserve the right for an extension.
Is this the psuedo-reincarnation (pun intended) since you were supposedly done posting here about a month or so ago?
Oh well, I guess I changed my mind, to bad.
Keep your Lavin pom poms in your hands Dinkins.
LOL
Where have I raved about Lavin? Please show me. I'll be waiting.
I should've known you'd pull out a strawman. That's your strength. Oh! And, getting banned everywhere you post.
Go back to your unstable rants on Twitter.
LOL I have a Twitter account? I never knew that, but thanks for letting me know you little girl. And nah I never been banned, lol I'm Joe3 right? ummm ok if you think so. lol
Yes, you do.
Hence, why you immediately deleted a post I made, per your Twitter account, that resembled a post you made on this forum.
Here is a post from you on JJ after we missed out on Briscoe.....
We all knew that Lavin couldn't coach.
We thought that he could recruit, but at ST. John's he can't.
With no frontcourt besides Obekpa, we won't get to the NCAA again.
So why keep Lavin?
http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=5927.msg208412#msg208412
Here is a post from you on your Twitter account on the same day....
Exiled Redman
@brandersen631
We knew Lavin couldn't coach. We knew he couldn't develop players. We knew he could recruit. Now he can't even do that…hello hotseat. #sjubb
But you deleted it AFTER I posted your Twitter quote on JJ.
Little girl? LOL You're the one who bitched about a medium shirt.
Yeah, I did post exact that after Lavin lost out on Briscoe.
Maybe the guy on Twitter was thinking those same thoughts? wtf would I hide, if I was Joe3 I'd say I was, wtf is it a life or death matter that I gotta hide. Yeah I heard what happened on here with the tee-shirts. That's not my problem though.
LOL
Almost verbatim, huh? Not to mention, it's rather ironic the "guy" deleted his similar Twitter quote AFTER I posted it in response to something you typed on JJ. Hmmmmmmm....
(http://gopthedailydose.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/fred-sanford-meme-generator-you-big-dummy-9a1a59.jpg)
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lol at how do I know. I read the other site that's how you simpleton. I always see you fighting with others on here and there, you are just a funny ass clown. So many people Pm'd me and tell me you are an idiot.
So yeah keep thinking that you are the man.
(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/82/82ddcd5963ce389442982ca23003a1a68ba1ccedda416fcea0451147b5a6dec9.jpg)
(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/a2/a24c8a14be4ed3c4224e4991907c953f259b01a472d98b6123a890a2b9be5d59.jpg)
(http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/when-i-wear-a-tight-shirt-how-i-feel.jpeg)
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There is a large percentage of fans who understand Lavin took over a program in shambles, and had to start from scratch, and Rome was not built in a day. Respect has to be earned. We are relevant again, after ten plus years of failure. Just because the same few posters keep banging the fire Lavin drum does not mean that that is the consensus among the larger fan base.
Excuse me, but this is his 5th year, not his first or second year. That is enough time to restore order, so dont give us the norm excuse.
So, if no ncaa tournament this year, it's not a failure? The last 4 years wtf has he done.
HNe doesn't deserve the right for an extension.
Is this the psuedo-reincarnation (pun intended) since you were supposedly done posting here about a month or so ago?
Oh well, I guess I changed my mind, to bad.
Keep your Lavin pom poms in your hands Dinkins.
LOL
Where have I raved about Lavin? Please show me. I'll be waiting.
I should've known you'd pull out a strawman. That's your strength. Oh! And, getting banned everywhere you post.
Go back to your unstable rants on Twitter.
LOL I have a Twitter account? I never knew that, but thanks for letting me know you little girl. And nah I never been banned, lol I'm Joe3 right? ummm ok if you think so. lol
Yes, you do.
Hence, why you immediately deleted a post I made, per your Twitter account, that resembled a post you made on this forum.
Here is a post from you on JJ after we missed out on Briscoe.....
We all knew that Lavin couldn't coach.
We thought that he could recruit, but at ST. John's he can't.
With no frontcourt besides Obekpa, we won't get to the NCAA again.
So why keep Lavin?
http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=5927.msg208412#msg208412
Here is a post from you on your Twitter account on the same day....
Exiled Redman
@brandersen631
We knew Lavin couldn't coach. We knew he couldn't develop players. We knew he could recruit. Now he can't even do that…hello hotseat. #sjubb
But you deleted it AFTER I posted your Twitter quote on JJ.
Little girl? LOL You're the one who bitched about a medium shirt.
Yeah, I did post exact that after Lavin lost out on Briscoe.
Maybe the guy on Twitter was thinking those same thoughts? wtf would I hide, if I was Joe3 I'd say I was, wtf is it a life or death matter that I gotta hide. Yeah I heard what happened on here with the tee-shirts. That's not my problem though.
LOL
Almost verbatim, huh? Not to mention, it's rather ironic the "guy" deleted his similar Twitter quote AFTER I posted it in response to something you typed on JJ. Hmmmmmmm....
(http://gopthedailydose.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/fred-sanford-meme-generator-you-big-dummy-9a1a59.jpg)
Ohhhhhhhhh and here's where he is trying to be funny with those pics, gotta try harder son.
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lol you guys are good detectives.
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lol you guys are good detectives.
Yeah man Dinkins does some great detective work.
lmfaorotf
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lol you guys are good detectives.
(http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/8000000/Columbo-columbo-8045230-450-362.jpg)
It's actually rather easy. They usually give themselves away, per a phrase, style of posting, or something else which connects them to their other screenname(s). I believe you already know it's him, right?
By the way, I never even mentioned Joe3's name. He mentioned it. He practically told on himself. Guilty conscience, perhaps? ;)
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lol you guys are good detectives.
(http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/8000000/Columbo-columbo-8045230-450-362.jpg)
It's actually rather easy. They usually give themselves away, per a phrase, style of posting, or something else which connects them to their other screenname(s). I believe you already know it's him, right?
By the way, I never even mentioned Joe3's name. He mentioned it. He practically told on himself. Guilty conscience, perhaps? ;)
lol I did? I believe someone else said I'm Joe3 months ago, so I know you and Dave thinks I'm him.
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Will take 6 more years of Lavin over 1 with Norm.
The range of options isn't just Lavin or Norm. We could be better, we could be worse, we could be about the same. But firing Lavin doesn't mean we revert to the Norm days.
Also, I'm so sick of hearing about "relevancy", and the benefits of having SL as the face of the program. Do you know who fans talk about and the media covers? Guys who win. calhoun, knight, izzo, self ...I have doorknobs with more personality than those guys. The program doesn't need a promoter, a ringleader, or a pr guy... just a competent basketball coach.
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Imo, the best bet would probably be to extend Lavin for 3 years and see if the Hurleys or someone like Orlando Antigua prove themselves as a viable candidate.
I think this is reasonable, especially if Lavin is set to bring in a competitive recruiting class. And it appears he may be.
But I would insist on some changes from him. I've mentioned this before, but I think the AD should insist on some changes to his coaching staff. Lavin has surrounded himself with a lot of his former players, and the results just haven't been there. I don't know if it's Rico or Tony or martin or whitesell's fault, but I do know that some change is necessaey, and that the team was seemingly better when dunlap was assisting steve.
I think hiring an associate head coach of the ADs choosing would be the equivalent of telling a football cosch he needs to change coordinators.
The coach won't like it, but the program is more important than his feelings. Even Coughlin had it done to him. He would've stuck with Gilbride forever, but Mara and Reese forced him to make a change.
Monasch needs to do that.
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Imo, the best bet would probably be to extend Lavin for 3 years and see if the Hurleys or someone like Orlando Antigua prove themselves as a viable candidate.
I think this is reasonable, especially if Lavin is set to bring in a competitive recruiting class. And it appears he may be.
But I would insist on some changes from him. I've mentioned this before, but I think the AD should insist on some changes to his coaching staff. Lavin has surrounded himself with a lot of his former players, and the results just haven't been there. I don't know if it's Rico or Tony or martin or whitesell's fault, but I do know that some change is necessaey, and that the team was seemingly better when dunlap was assisting steve.
I think hiring an associate head coach of the ADs choosing would be the equivalent of telling a football cosch he needs to change coordinators.
The coach won't like it, but the program is more important than his feelings. Even Coughlin had it done to him. He would've stuck with Gilbride forever, but Mara and Reese forced him to make a change.
Monasch needs to do that.
Lavin should have hired Tim O'Toole when he was doing radio here after Dunlap left. Instead he gave the job to Darrick Martin
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if we played either Dayton or Iowa we would beat them more then we would lose. Are either better? Both of these guys are more comparable then significantly better
We just lost to freakin DePaul and had Marquette give us a scare at home and you're telling me we would beat Dayton and Iowa more than we would lose? We might split with Dayton in a 10 game series, we lose to Iowa 8 out of 10 times. I don't know what world people live in sometimes. I really don't
We beat Syracuse. Iowa lost to them. We beat Minnesota by 9 they won by 2. Only same opponents. Sorry you lost your argument. Maybe Fran is a better coach but its not a slam dunk. What world do you live in? By the way Dayton is only playing 5/6 guys coach must be an idiot.
Iowa also beat UNC at the Dean Dome and swept Ohio State this season. Give Lavin an NBA team and he wouldn't do that.
Archie took Dayton to an elite 8. Let me repeat. Archie Miller took Dayton to an elite 8. And unlike Lavin, Archie knows how to coach a team that is down to 5-6 guys and is beating the teams they are supposed to beat.
Which up and coming coach do you think would come to St. John's?
Richard Pitino or Bobby Hurley - both would take the job I think...
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Or Danny H? The ship seems to have sailed with Masiello
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Will take 6 more years of Lavin over 1 with Norm.
The range of options isn't just Lavin or Norm. We could be better, we could be worse, we could be about the same. But firing Lavin doesn't mean we revert to the Norm days.
Also, I'm so sick of hearing about "relevancy", and the benefits of having SL as the face of the program. Do you know who fans talk about and the media covers? Guys who win. calhoun, knight, izzo, self ...I have doorknobs with more personality than those guys. The program doesn't need a promoter, a ringleader, or a pr guy... just a competent basketball coach.
Desco, thanks for getting this thread back on topic, what a ridiculous couple of pages it had become. And I agree, win and all the attention will come. But you have to admit, even with Lavin's mild level of success there has been plenty of attention given to sju hoops during his tenure. Some good and some bad. I feel we are as relevant as we have been in the last 10-15 years. Perhaps that means little, but it doesnt mean nothing.
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if we played either Dayton or Iowa we would beat them more then we would lose. Are either better? Both of these guys are more comparable then significantly better
We just lost to freakin DePaul and had Marquette give us a scare at home and you're telling me we would beat Dayton and Iowa more than we would lose? We might split with Dayton in a 10 game series, we lose to Iowa 8 out of 10 times. I don't know what world people live in sometimes. I really don't
We beat Syracuse. Iowa lost to them. We beat Minnesota by 9 they won by 2. Only same opponents. Sorry you lost your argument. Maybe Fran is a better coach but its not a slam dunk. What world do you live in? By the way Dayton is only playing 5/6 guys coach must be an idiot.
Iowa also beat UNC at the Dean Dome and swept Ohio State this season. Give Lavin an NBA team and he wouldn't do that.
Archie took Dayton to an elite 8. Let me repeat. Archie Miller took Dayton to an elite 8. And unlike Lavin, Archie knows how to coach a team that is down to 5-6 guys and is beating the teams they are supposed to beat.
Which up and coming coach do you think would come to St. John's?
Richard Pitino or Bobby Hurley - both would take the job I think...
IMO, neither are proven winnings yet. If they can build their current programs over the next 3-4 years and Lavin can't then make the change.
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Imo, the best bet would probably be to extend Lavin for 3 years and see if the Hurleys or someone like Orlando Antigua prove themselves as a viable candidate.
I think this is reasonable, especially if Lavin is set to bring in a competitive recruiting class. And it appears he may be.
But I would insist on some changes from him. I've mentioned this before, but I think the AD should insist on some changes to his coaching staff. Lavin has surrounded himself with a lot of his former players, and the results just haven't been there. I don't know if it's Rico or Tony or martin or whitesell's fault, but I do know that some change is necessaey, and that the team was seemingly better when dunlap was assisting steve.
I think hiring an associate head coach of the ADs choosing would be the equivalent of telling a football cosch he needs to change coordinators.
The coach won't like it, but the program is more important than his feelings. Even Coughlin had it done to him. He would've stuck with Gilbride forever, but Mara and Reese forced him to make a change.
Monasch needs to do that.
Maybe but like you said it pretty hard to determine who is the issue on the staff that can be replaced.
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if we played either Dayton or Iowa we would beat them more then we would lose. Are either better? Both of these guys are more comparable then significantly better
We just lost to freakin DePaul and had Marquette give us a scare at home and you're telling me we would beat Dayton and Iowa more than we would lose? We might split with Dayton in a 10 game series, we lose to Iowa 8 out of 10 times. I don't know what world people live in sometimes. I really don't
We beat Syracuse. Iowa lost to them. We beat Minnesota by 9 they won by 2. Only same opponents. Sorry you lost your argument. Maybe Fran is a better coach but its not a slam dunk. What world do you live in? By the way Dayton is only playing 5/6 guys coach must be an idiot.
Iowa also beat UNC at the Dean Dome and swept Ohio State this season. Give Lavin an NBA team and he wouldn't do that.
Archie took Dayton to an elite 8. Let me repeat. Archie Miller took Dayton to an elite 8. And unlike Lavin, Archie knows how to coach a team that is down to 5-6 guys and is beating the teams they are supposed to beat.
Which up and coming coach do you think would come to St. John's?
Richard Pitino or Bobby Hurley - both would take the job I think...
IMO, neither are proven winnings yet. If they can build their current programs over the next 3-4 years and Lavin can't then make the change.
Thats the risk you take with buying late. Does any coache these days look at St. John's as their dream job? Could we get a Richard Pitino after he was successful for 3-4 years?
I will give lavin credit for this, he has raised the level of the program since he has got here. The st john's job is more attractive now then when he was hired. Roster question marks and all.
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if we played either Dayton or Iowa we would beat them more then we would lose. Are either better? Both of these guys are more comparable then significantly better
We just lost to freakin DePaul and had Marquette give us a scare at home and you're telling me we would beat Dayton and Iowa more than we would lose? We might split with Dayton in a 10 game series, we lose to Iowa 8 out of 10 times. I don't know what world people live in sometimes. I really don't
We beat Syracuse. Iowa lost to them. We beat Minnesota by 9 they won by 2. Only same opponents. Sorry you lost your argument. Maybe Fran is a better coach but its not a slam dunk. What world do you live in? By the way Dayton is only playing 5/6 guys coach must be an idiot.
Iowa also beat UNC at the Dean Dome and swept Ohio State this season. Give Lavin an NBA team and he wouldn't do that.
Archie took Dayton to an elite 8. Let me repeat. Archie Miller took Dayton to an elite 8. And unlike Lavin, Archie knows how to coach a team that is down to 5-6 guys and is beating the teams they are supposed to beat.
Which up and coming coach do you think would come to St. John's?
Richard Pitino or Bobby Hurley - both would take the job I think...
IMO, neither are proven winnings yet. If they can build their current programs over the next 3-4 years and Lavin can't then make the change.
Thats the risk you take with buying late. Does any coache these days look at St. John's as their dream job? Could we get a Richard Pitino after he was successful for 3-4 years?
I will give lavin credit for this, he has raised the level of the program since he has got here. The st john's job is more attractive now then when he was hired. Roster question marks and all.
True.
the Fox $ also helps. That was what? A 12 year contract? So coaches know the league is viable for the longterm.
And in regards to your other post, I do agree Mase, Lavin has helped at that means something because we were on the verge of becoming almost Fordham-esque.
But it rubs me the wrong way when fans argue we should keep the coach because he's telegenic or has us in the paper more than Norm ever did.
I think even a mildly successful coach will be covered just fine by the media in nyc. It's not one of my bigger concerns at this point. Also, we know the money is there to hire another coach at 1-2 $ mil per year. That wasn't the case before Lavin.
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Imo, the best bet would probably be to extend Lavin for 3 years and see if the Hurleys or someone like Orlando Antigua prove themselves as a viable candidate.
I think this is reasonable, especially if Lavin is set to bring in a competitive recruiting class. And it appears he may be.
But I would insist on some changes from him. I've mentioned this before, but I think the AD should insist on some changes to his coaching staff. Lavin has surrounded himself with a lot of his former players, and the results just haven't been there. I don't know if it's Rico or Tony or martin or whitesell's fault, but I do know that some change is necessaey, and that the team was seemingly better when dunlap was assisting steve.
I think hiring an associate head coach of the ADs choosing would be the equivalent of telling a football cosch he needs to change coordinators.
The coach won't like it, but the program is more important than his feelings. Even Coughlin had it done to him. He would've stuck with Gilbride forever, but Mara and Reese forced him to make a change.
Monasch needs to do that.
Maybe but like you said it pretty hard to determine who is the issue on the staff that can be replaced.
Agreed 75. But hopefully the AD or those closer to the program have a better idea of each coach's contributions. But I think plenty of programs have associate head coaches who run practices. Practice planning in itself can be a full time job. As is advanced scouting, and game preparation.
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I have two lists for the next coach.
The first one (money not an issue)
1. Jim Calhoun w/ Steve Pikell as Coach in Waiting
I mentioned this previous thread, I hate Uconn but if he came in here like Larry Brown has done down at SMU(minus the scandal) I would sign up for it in a minute. The guy is one of the greats. Pikell is a solid coach has done everything at SB but go to the Tourney.
2. Ben Howland- went to three final fours at UCLA,rebuilt Pitt great defensive coach. Would be a great fit and get tough ball players. Has East Coast mentality that they don't appreciate in la la land.
3. Bruce Pearl- has won everywhere he has been. Media darling and I believe would get our alumni/student body really involved while winning. Auburn made a great hire.
4. Shaka Smart-one of the best coaches in the game. I doubt he would come here but, definitely a great choice if money not an issue.
5. Tom Crean- has done a solid job at IU (2 sweet 16's)was great at Marquette. If he did the job he has done at IU we would give him a statue.
Money is an issue
1. Zack Spiker-the guy is winning at Army, get him a recruiter like at Matty A or Jared Grasso on the staff. Definitely an up an comer.
2. the Hurley bros (tie) I would take either one of them. I am partial to Bobby I think he has done really well for being a Head Coach for only a year and half. Has the Coach K connection along with his dad. One of best college pg's to play the game(was the glue of those Duke teams) and played in the NBA.
3. Andy Toole- Only 34 years old and has won 100 games at Robert Morris. Is originally from Staten Island.
4. Will Brown-Has built a solid program at Albany and from Strong Island.
5. Tim Cluess -Every where he has been he has won!! I think this would be his dream job. Get him a assistant assigned to defense.
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if we played either Dayton or Iowa we would beat them more then we would lose. Are either better? Both of these guys are more comparable then significantly better
We just lost to freakin DePaul and had Marquette give us a scare at home and you're telling me we would beat Dayton and Iowa more than we would lose? We might split with Dayton in a 10 game series, we lose to Iowa 8 out of 10 times. I don't know what world people live in sometimes. I really don't
We beat Syracuse. Iowa lost to them. We beat Minnesota by 9 they won by 2. Only same opponents. Sorry you lost your argument. Maybe Fran is a better coach but its not a slam dunk. What world do you live in? By the way Dayton is only playing 5/6 guys coach must be an idiot.
Iowa also beat UNC at the Dean Dome and swept Ohio State this season. Give Lavin an NBA team and he wouldn't do that.
Archie took Dayton to an elite 8. Let me repeat. Archie Miller took Dayton to an elite 8. And unlike Lavin, Archie knows how to coach a team that is down to 5-6 guys and is beating the teams they are supposed to beat.
Which up and coming coach do you think would come to St. John's?
Richard Pitino or Bobby Hurley - both would take the job I think...
If one or both of those guys would actually come here (not sure Pitino would, but I could be wrong) and we keep Lavin instead of going after those guys then this program deserves the mediocrity it has and will continue to experience. Both of those guys would be home run hires
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Will take 6 more years of Lavin over 1 with Norm.
The range of options isn't just Lavin or Norm. We could be better, we could be worse, we could be about the same. But firing Lavin doesn't mean we revert to the Norm days.
Also, I'm so sick of hearing about "relevancy", and the benefits of having SL as the face of the program. Do you know who fans talk about and the media covers? Guys who win. calhoun, knight, izzo, self ...I have doorknobs with more personality than those guys. The program doesn't need a promoter, a ringleader, or a pr guy... just a competent basketball coach.
The end results? Lavin=Norm They both don't get to the ncaa tournament.
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Goredmen- just because u say it and believe it doesn't make it fact. Lavin killed Pitino this year. the best thing about Hurley is his last name. Last names don't win games.
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Goredmen- just because u say it and believe it doesn't make it fact. Lavin killed Pitino this year. the best thing about Hurley is his last name. Last names don't win games.
I am aware of the difference between facts and opinions thank you for clarifying though. Constant spin and moral victories don't win games either as evidenced by the last 4 years of St John's basketball under Head Coach Steve Lavin
In the future, I will make sure to add IMO after I post an opinion so everybody knows that my previous statement in an opinion
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Goredmen- just because u say it and believe it doesn't make it fact. Lavin killed Pitino this year. the best thing about Hurley is his last name. Last names don't win games.
Lavin beat Boeheim this year too. And beat Coach K in 2011. Is he a better coach than them too?
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We lost to Duke. They have like 9 MCD's AA and have a 7-8 man rotation. How many MCD AA do we have? Many of you have no idea about coaching and simply let the results speak for themselves. The bottom line is Lavin is doing a good job with these players. If anything he should be criticized for not finding a replacement for Moe and Sampson, that is the real issue. His coaching isn't the issue. Our players have severe limitations. We were in the game because Dom was playing out of his mind, its how he should be playing every game, but he doesn't. With D'lo hurting both Dom and Jordan stepped up in the first half but disappeared in the second half. The difference is and will always be, do our players make plays. It wasn't a brilliant coaching job done by Coach K that brought Duke back. He didn't design some magical play that was unstoppable. Duke players made plays, one on one, no back door cuts, no off ball screens, nothing. We run the same offense as they do except their players drive the ball to the basket, or pull up off the bounce and drill a 3. Its not coaching, its individual skill.
Lavin has brought in kids with a lot of potential but for the most part, offensively, Dom and Branch hasn't panned out. Potential is what gets coaches fired. He needs to do a better job bringing in more well rounded players. That has been his failure. It's not the coaching. He has the ability to compete with and win a lot of the recruiting battles. You need talent to win, and Lavin is the best suited to bring in that talent. I'm frustrated so far with the season, but my frustration is with the roster construction, not X's and O's. Season isn't over yet, let it play out and hope these seniors end the careers at SJU on a high note.
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We lost to Duke. They have like 9 MCD's AA and have a 7-8 man rotation. How many MCD AA do we have? Many of you have no idea about coaching and simply let the results speak for themselves. The bottom line is Lavin is doing a good job with these players. If anything he should be criticized for not finding a replacement for Moe and Sampson, that is the real issue. His coaching isn't the issue. Our players have severe limitations. We were in the game because Dom was playing out of his mind, its how he should be playing every game, but he doesn't. With D'lo hurting both Dom and Jordan stepped up in the first half but disappeared in the second half. The difference is and will always be, do our players make plays. It wasn't a brilliant coaching job done by Coach K that brought Duke back. He didn't design some magical play that was unstoppable. Duke players made plays, one on one, no back door cuts, no off ball screens, nothing. We run the same offense as they do except their players drive the ball to the basket, or pull up off the bounce and drill a 3. Its not coaching, its individual skill.
Lavin has brought in kids with a lot of potential but for the most part, offensively, Dom and Branch hasn't panned out. Potential is what gets coaches fired. He needs to do a better job bringing in more well rounded players. That has been his failure. It's not the coaching. He has the ability to compete with and win a lot of the recruiting battles. You need talent to win, and Lavin is the best suited to bring in that talent. I'm frustrated so far with the season, but my frustration is with the roster construction, not X's and O's. Season isn't over yet, let it play out and hope these seniors end the careers at SJU on a high note.
His coaching lost us at least 2 games last year which cost us a shot at the NCAA tournament. I agree his actual in-game coaching has been somewhat better this year, but as you said, he's responsible for building the roster of players and having enough depth to be successful. He has failed in that regard, and in year 5 of his tenure, that is inexcusable, IMO.
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Our fan base is so delusional. This job has very little to almost no appeal, there is no big name coach lining up at the door...
Now young Pitino or Hurley brothers are the key back to the glory days of the mid-eigthies???? LOL
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Goredmen- just because u say it and believe it doesn't make it fact. Lavin killed Pitino this year. the best thing about Hurley is his last name. Last names don't win games.
Killed Pitino?
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We lost to Duke. They have like 9 MCD's AA and have a 7-8 man rotation. How many MCD AA do we have? Many of you have no idea about coaching and simply let the results speak for themselves. The bottom line is Lavin is doing a good job with these players. If anything he should be criticized for not finding a replacement for Moe and Sampson, that is the real issue. His coaching isn't the issue. Our players have severe limitations. We were in the game because Dom was playing out of his mind, its how he should be playing every game, but he doesn't. With D'lo hurting both Dom and Jordan stepped up in the first half but disappeared in the second half. The difference is and will always be, do our players make plays. It wasn't a brilliant coaching job done by Coach K that brought Duke back. He didn't design some magical play that was unstoppable. Duke players made plays, one on one, no back door cuts, no off ball screens, nothing. We run the same offense as they do except their players drive the ball to the basket, or pull up off the bounce and drill a 3. Its not coaching, its individual skill.
Lavin has brought in kids with a lot of potential but for the most part, offensively, Dom and Branch hasn't panned out. Potential is what gets coaches fired. He needs to do a better job bringing in more well rounded players. That has been his failure. It's not the coaching. He has the ability to compete with and win a lot of the recruiting battles. You need talent to win, and Lavin is the best suited to bring in that talent. I'm frustrated so far with the season, but my frustration is with the roster construction, not X's and O's. Season isn't over yet, let it play out and hope these seniors end the careers at SJU on a high note.
His coaching lost us at least 2 games last year which cost us a shot at the NCAA tournament. I agree his actual in-game coaching has been somewhat better this year, but as you said, he's responsible for building the roster of players and having enough depth to be successful. He has failed in that regard, and in year 5 of his tenure, that is inexcusable, IMO.
Lavin has given us well-rounded failure since bringing in his monster class. Last year, he failed as a coach. This year, he failed as a recruiter. If we had Keith Thomas or another capable big man, that game, and several others probably would have had a better outcome. At the end of the day, it's program, and in year 5, no one excuse is an acceptable excuse for not making the dance. Everything that goes wrong is entirely on Lavin. A player gets hurt, it's on Lavin. A player isn't qualified to play, it's on Lavin. This is his program and these are his rules we are all living with, but he isn't self employed, and it's time to face the music.
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Steve's here for the long term, this thread is a waste of everyone's time. This team is prime to make a deep BET and NCAA run over the next 8 weeks, couple that with a supposed monster, international/US class in the week's following the tourney and Lavin's looking at an easy 5 year extension. We should be gameplanning for Creighton, yet this is the only active convo going on today, cmon fellas.
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Steve's here for the long term, this thread is a waste of everyone's time. This team is prime to make a deep BET and NCAA run over the next 8 weeks, couple that with a supposed monster, international/US class in the week's following the tourney and Lavin's looking at an easy 5 year extension. We should be gameplanning for Creighton, yet this is the only active convo going on today, cmon fellas.
A team that lost to DePaul less than 2 weeks ago is primed to make a deep BET and NCAA run? Ok.....
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We lost to Duke. They have like 9 MCD's AA and have a 7-8 man rotation. How many MCD AA do we have? Many of you have no idea about coaching and simply let the results speak for themselves. The bottom line is Lavin is doing a good job with these players. If anything he should be criticized for not finding a replacement for Moe and Sampson, that is the real issue. His coaching isn't the issue. Our players have severe limitations. We were in the game because Dom was playing out of his mind, its how he should be playing every game, but he doesn't. With D'lo hurting both Dom and Jordan stepped up in the first half but disappeared in the second half. The difference is and will always be, do our players make plays. It wasn't a brilliant coaching job done by Coach K that brought Duke back. He didn't design some magical play that was unstoppable. Duke players made plays, one on one, no back door cuts, no off ball screens, nothing. We run the same offense as they do except their players drive the ball to the basket, or pull up off the bounce and drill a 3. Its not coaching, its individual skill.
Lavin has brought in kids with a lot of potential but for the most part, offensively, Dom and Branch hasn't panned out. Potential is what gets coaches fired. He needs to do a better job bringing in more well rounded players. That has been his failure. It's not the coaching. He has the ability to compete with and win a lot of the recruiting battles. You need talent to win, and Lavin is the best suited to bring in that talent. I'm frustrated so far with the season, but my frustration is with the roster construction, not X's and O's. Season isn't over yet, let it play out and hope these seniors end the careers at SJU on a high note.
His coaching lost us at least 2 games last year which cost us a shot at the NCAA tournament. I agree his actual in-game coaching has been somewhat better this year, but as you said, he's responsible for building the roster of players and having enough depth to be successful. He has failed in that regard, and in year 5 of his tenure, that is inexcusable, IMO.
Lavin has given us well-rounded failure since bringing in his monster class. Last year, he failed as a coach. This year, he failed as a recruiter. If we had Keith Thomas or another capable big man, that game, and several others probably would have had a better outcome. At the end of the day, it's program, and in year 5, no one excuse is an acceptable excuse for not making the dance. Everything that goes wrong is entirely on Lavin. A player gets hurt, it's on Lavin. A player isn't qualified to play, it's on Lavin. This is his program and these are his rules we are all living with, but he isn't self employed, and it's time to face the music.
Please don't bring facts and common sense into this. Some people can't handle that
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Steve's here for the long term, this thread is a waste of everyone's time. This team is prime to make a deep BET and NCAA run over the next 8 weeks, couple that with a supposed monster, international/US class in the week's following the tourney and Lavin's looking at an easy 5 year extension. We should be gameplanning for Creighton, yet this is the only active convo going on today, cmon fellas.
A team that lost to DePaul less than 2 weeks ago is primed to make a deep BET and NCAA run? Ok.....
With 6 players
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Negativity abounds. Get a life, guys.
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Feel like he get the extension..one that is incentive laced... I don't think he gets fired.. If he leaves it will be because he doesn't like contract or makes up another reason..
II'm not sold on any of the options being talked about.. Show me an upgrade.. Not a shot in the dark.. If the shot in the dark doesn't work, then what? No one want s to answer that question.
Lets wait to see how this season finishes before calling it a failure.. Anything can happen, including a run in the BE tournament.
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II'm not sold on any of the options being talked about.. Show me an upgrade.. Not a shot in the dark.. If the shot in the dark doesn't work, then what? No one want s to answer that question.
If that happens we would be in the same spot we are now. We took a shot in the dark with Lavin and it isn't working. I do hope he can turn it around this year and make AND win a game or two in the tourney. However, that is highly unlikely. Just making the tournament and getting bounced right away would still make this season a failure to me. Not making the tourney at all would be a monumental failure, IMO.
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Feel like he get the extension..one that is incentive laced... I don't think he gets fired.. If he leaves it will be because he doesn't like contract or makes up another reason..
II'm not sold on any of the options being talked about.. Show me an upgrade.. Not a shot in the dark.. If the shot in the dark doesn't work, then what? No one want s to answer that question.
Lets wait to see how this season finishes before calling it a failure.. Anything can happen, including a run in the BE tournament.
If he gets a top recruiting class, then a one year extension. No long term
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The argument the pro-Lavin posters make about him being able to bring in good players is a ridiculous one. Yes, he can get 4 and 5 star guys. The problem is he doesn't win with them. What good are highly-rated recruits if they don't win? Give me a guy that will get 3 and 4 star guys that will stay 4 years, develop each season and know how to win(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png) over a coach like Lavin any day of the week.
Lavin has pulled in GREAT recruiting classes for SJU, but he has still proven he can't win here. Why would we keep a guy like that around? Unless he gets Diallo to come we won't be a tournament team next year, so unless he gets Diallo to come here he should be sent back to ESPN
Please excuse my derisive tone. It is purely unintentional. However, you start off by saying that Lavin can't win with the 4 and 5 star guys he recruits. Then you say unless he brings in 5 star recruit Diallo, he should be fired. I'm confused.
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Just the usual contradictory foolishness that arises from the chattery folks. Some of this stuff is funny. On the real.
Always see Dinkins on here and on redmen, always saying that others are fools when he disagrees with others.
This clown thinks he's someone important to try and put down others when he disagrees with them.
How do you know what I do on Redmen? Oh! Because, you were banned from there, right? LOL
Too bad, you don't know why you're considered the clown. It doesn't have anything to do with disagreeing with me. It's because you're silly, and make about as much sense as a piece of wet wood.
MJ unearths liny?
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Well he beat Pitino . I believe the score got to double digits. I was messing around a little.
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Our fan base is so delusional. This job has very little to almost no appeal, there is no big name coach lining up at the door...
Now young Pitino or Hurley brothers are the key back to the glory days of the mid-eigthies? ??? LOL
The job has more appeal than Dayton, and they got Archie Miller. The job now has more appeal than Xavier, and they got Sean Miller. We name at least 5 others ...
Imo, the next coach might not be a big name, but as many have rightly said on the board, we need a young, energetic coach that will build on whatever Lavs' final legacy is (for better or worse when the time comes).
Some disagreed when I posted Fraschilla's order of importance for a head coach, but it has some support:
1) recruiting 2) scheduling 3) keeping guys eligible & 4) coaching, in that order.
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Our fan base is so delusional. This job has very little to almost no appeal, there is no big name coach lining up at the door...
Now young Pitino or Hurley brothers are the key back to the glory days of the mid-eigthies? ??? LOL
The job has more appeal than Dayton, and they got Archie Miller. The job now has more appeal than Xavier, and they got Sean Miller. We name at least 5 others ...
Imo, the next coach might not be a big name, but as many have rightly said on the board, we need a young, energetic coach that will build on whatever Lavs' final legacy is (for better or worse when the time comes).
Some disagreed when I posted Fraschilla's order of importance for a head coach, but it has some support:
1) recruiting 2) scheduling 3) keeping guys eligible & 4) coaching, in that order.
Agree
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Personally, I don't have a problem with Lavin's coaching this year. I think it's been fine.
The problem stems from two poor recruiting classes. He only signed 1 difference maker in 2013 and he completely dropped the ball in 2014. If this team had 1 or 2 extra guys (preferably guys with height), they would've won a couple of those close games (Gonzaga, SHU, Butler, Villanova, or Duke).
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Personally, I don't have a problem with Lavin's coaching this year. I think it's been fine.
The problem stems from two poor recruiting classes. He only signed 1 difference maker in 2013 and he completely dropped the ball in 2014. If this team had 1 or 2 extra guys (preferably guys with height), they would've won a couple of those close games (Gonzaga, SHU, Butler, Villanova, or Duke).
He only had one scholarship in 2013. I can agree with 2014. Frankly, Thomas and ADR has killed our '14 class. I believe both of 'em would've paid dividends with this team.
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Lavin has probably brought in 1 of the best recruiting classes in St Johns history. Not much to show for it. Bubble after Bubble
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Lavin has probably brought in 1 of the best recruiting classes in St Johns history. Not much to show for it. Bubble after Bubble
If things break right, this class might be as good if not better. It is a big if, but we will see.
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Our fan base is so delusional. This job has very little to almost no appeal, there is no big name coach lining up at the door...
Now young Pitino or Hurley brothers are the key back to the glory days of the mid-eigthies? ??? LOL
The job has more appeal than Dayton, and they got Archie Miller. The job now has more appeal than Xavier, and they got Sean Miller. We name at least 5 others ...
Imo, the next coach might not be a big name, but as many have rightly said on the board, we need a young, energetic coach that will build on whatever Lavs' final legacy is (for better or worse when the time comes).
Some disagreed when I posted Fraschilla's order of importance for a head coach, but it has some support:
1) recruiting 2) scheduling 3) keeping guys eligible & 4) coaching, in that order.
We have something that those other schools don't and that's money. I doubt we spend more than a million per year on our next coach though.
My guess for coaching names that would pop up if we have a vacancy are the Hurleys, Greenberg, Cluess, Abdelmassih, Pikiell.
The search should stop with Dan Hurley though. He would build us into a winner the old fashioned way and give us an edge that we desperately need. He's a whiner but his teams play hard and smart.
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This will be my last post on this subject as I don't believe that Lavin is even on the hot seat. Here are a few posts from a Minn. forum in regard to Pitino:
"The team has regressed this year. He has yet to recruit a skilled 3,4 or 5. His teams play like they don't have a fuggin clue how to play basketball. Why hasn't he brought in any skill yet, either through high school recruits or transfers. Mason will be a nice player, but everyone else he's brought in so far is crap. The 2 African guys are major projects and depth players. Morris is just crap, you can't win with guys like that, yet Pitino thought he could? Another recruiting mistake. Even McNeil, he brought in a 6'3" point guard to play small forward for you? Really? He has mismanaged the roster so far and while he has a couple nice guards coming in, both are undersized and won't be able to create their own shots. So who are the scoring threats inside? The 2016 recruits are the earliest we can hope to get skilled wings in here. Will he have lost the fan base by then? This team will be equally crappy next year. Blow it the fuc& up....."
"I'm not a tubby guy; he was dead weight, needed to go.
Just look at this f'ing circus we're trotting out there. This is a mess, and the mismanaged roster is going to ensure we stay at this level for a couple more years, then HOPEFULLY Pitino can bring in better players, but can he?
His recruiting has been blah, how about player development? Who on this team has gotten better under Pitino? Walker? I guess, but mainly because he use to be obese, now he's not. He still as average as ever. Hollins use to be good, now he's as average as can be.
How about in game coaching? The only thoughts I have in my head are us losing games by making stupid decisions, all the time. Are these guys being coached? Or has he just recruited dumb basketball players? Either way, it's troubling.
He has the last name, sure; but is he really ready for this? Woody May have went to the billy Donovan well one too many times. This disaster will keep getting worse before it gets better. How you gonna convince 2016 recruits to come here when you can't even make the NIt?"
"There's no excuse for this. I don't know how anyone can watch the games and conclude that the Gophers should be sitting anywhere worse than 4-3 right now. You can argue most of that is on the players choking, but SOME of the blame has got to go to Pitino. Nebraska plays essentially without a PG and has limited perimeter quickness and our guards handled the ball like a hand grenade. The decision to CONTINUALLY give Mo Walker post touches which ended up in miss after miss was absolutely on Pitino. You've got to be concerned that the team is getting worse, not better as the season goes a long. Three of the Gophers four worst performances of the season have occurred in the last three games.
I have been a big believer in Coach Pitino and still believe he's likely to do good things. That said, I don't know how you can be as confident in Coach Pitino as you were a few months ago."
I think they are crazy, but just goes to show that the grass isn't always greener on the other side and fans are never happy and love to complain.
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I would think recruiting To Minnesota is a bit tougher than NYC.
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I would think recruiting To Minnesota is a bit tougher than NYC.
St. Johns is not NYC it is Union Turnpike. Nothing wrong with union turnpike, its a nice neighborhood. Never been to Minnesota, but have been to other big state colleges in SEC and Big Ten. College experience is so much better. Lavin beating bigger schools for players is amazing to me. Two of my best friends went to Ohio State. My brother went to Florida. Don't know what I was thinking. Their fun level, life style, and fan experice kills what I had.
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Maybe Billy D wants a change of scenery
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Maybe Billy D wants a change of scenery
We can dream, but that's about it
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Our fan base is so delusional. This job has very little to almost no appeal, there is no big name coach lining up at the door...
Now young Pitino or Hurley brothers are the key back to the glory days of the mid-eigthies? ??? LOL
The job has more appeal than Dayton, and they got Archie Miller. The job now has more appeal than Xavier, and they got Sean Miller. We name at least 5 others ...
Imo, the next coach might not be a big name, but as many have rightly said on the board, we need a young, energetic coach that will build on whatever Lavs' final legacy is (for better or worse when the time comes).
Some disagreed when I posted Fraschilla's order of importance for a head coach, but it has some support:
1) recruiting 2) scheduling 3) keeping guys eligible & 4) coaching, in that order.
There is no dumber argument than the St.John's isn't a premier job anymore argument. How about this: Working in Kentucky and Kansas is a pathetic existence under any circumstance. I don't care what you're doing, you're in Kentucky, and you're f'n pathetic because you're there on your free will.
Lavin may or not be here for the long run. I certainly have my concerns, but I give him credit for the one thing he's done better anything else. And that's selling St.John's as a chance to leave your insignificant sorry excuse for a city and come to NY, and be a star where it actually means something if you're a star.
There are 12 million people in NY. If this isn't a city a respectable professional wants to come to, how did they all wind up here?
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Personally, I don't have a problem with Lavin's coaching this year. I think it's been fine.
The problem stems from two poor recruiting classes. He only signed 1 difference maker in 2013 and he completely dropped the ball in 2014. If this team had 1 or 2 extra guys (preferably guys with height), they would've won a couple of those close games (Gonzaga, SHU, Butler, Villanova, or Duke).
He only had one scholarship in 2013. I can agree with 2014. Frankly, Thomas and ADR has killed our '14 class. I believe both of 'em would've paid dividends with this team.
This is my problem with '14 though. First of all, ADR was nowhere and is still not even close to being in game shape. There's a reason St. John's was competing with Fordham for his services. In no way am I saying the kid can't turn it around and bust his ass to lose the weight. But I think we all knew he wasn't going to be much of a factor this season.
As for KT, I agree that loss killed us. But I had a lot less sympathy for our program when I heard rival coaches saying I took one look at his transcript and knew he was an academic nightmare. How that gets missed is still beyond me. Either way. Lavin should've had more possibilities out there besides a long term project and a 24 year old JC kid.
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Our fan base is so delusional. This job has very little to almost no appeal, there is no big name coach lining up at the door...
Now young Pitino or Hurley brothers are the key back to the glory days of the mid-eigthies? ??? LOL
The job has more appeal than Dayton, and they got Archie Miller. The job now has more appeal than Xavier, and they got Sean Miller. We name at least 5 others ...
Imo, the next coach might not be a big name, but as many have rightly said on the board, we need a young, energetic coach that will build on whatever Lavs' final legacy is (for better or worse when the time comes).
Some disagreed when I posted Fraschilla's order of importance for a head coach, but it has some support:
1) recruiting 2) scheduling 3) keeping guys eligible & 4) coaching, in that order.
There is no dumber argument than the St.John's isn't a premier job anymore argument. How about this: Working in Kentucky and Kansas is a pathetic existence under any circumstance. I don't care what you're doing, you're in Kentucky, and you're f'n pathetic because you're there on your free will.
Lavin may or not be here for the long run. I certainly have my concerns, but I give him credit for the one thing he's done better anything else. And that's selling St.John's as a chance to leave your insignificant sorry excuse for a city and come to NY, and be a star where it actually means something if you're a star.
There are 12 million people in NY. If this isn't a city a respectable professional wants to come to, how did they all wind up here?
I realize that most of the stuff you say is merely bait, but even so this is ridiculous. The only people who think merely living in NYC is a praiseworthy accomplishment are (a) unaccomplished people living in NYC and (b) high school students from Long Island. I don't know how low my self esteem would have to be to raise it by moving somewhere but I can imagine how low yours is. Breaking news: living in Kew Gardens doesn't make you super-cool. There's more important things in life than bagels.
Even if NYC was all that, and it's not, Queens isn't NYC. It's the gateway to Syosset. Jamaica is a sinkhole. Saint John's is - charitably - a mediocre school. The BB facilities suck and the fan base is the worst in all of sports.
Saint John's is where coaching careers go to die. That's why you have to pay even a clown like Lavin - who comes right out and says he doesn't care whether he succeeds at it - 2 million a year to do it. And it's why you extend him after he fails. Because no "accomplished professional" in his right mind would take it.
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Our fan base is so delusional. This job has very little to almost no appeal, there is no big name coach lining up at the door...
Now young Pitino or Hurley brothers are the key back to the glory days of the mid-eigthies? ??? LOL
The job has more appeal than Dayton, and they got Archie Miller. The job now has more appeal than Xavier, and they got Sean Miller. We name at least 5 others ...
Imo, the next coach might not be a big name, but as many have rightly said on the board, we need a young, energetic coach that will build on whatever Lavs' final legacy is (for better or worse when the time comes).
Some disagreed when I posted Fraschilla's order of importance for a head coach, but it has some support:
1) recruiting 2) scheduling 3) keeping guys eligible & 4) coaching, in that order.
There is no dumber argument than the St.John's isn't a premier job anymore argument. How about this: Working in Kentucky and Kansas is a pathetic existence under any circumstance. I don't care what you're doing, you're in Kentucky, and you're f'n pathetic because you're there on your free will.
Lavin may or not be here for the long run. I certainly have my concerns, but I give him credit for the one thing he's done better anything else. And that's selling St.John's as a chance to leave your insignificant sorry excuse for a city and come to NY, and be a star where it actually means something if you're a star.
There are 12 million people in NY. If this isn't a city a respectable professional wants to come to, how did they all wind up here?
This was just a silly post...
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Our fan base is so delusional. This job has very little to almost no appeal, there is no big name coach lining up at the door...
Now young Pitino or Hurley brothers are the key back to the glory days of the mid-eigthies? ??? LOL
The job has more appeal than Dayton, and they got Archie Miller. The job now has more appeal than Xavier, and they got Sean Miller. We name at least 5 others ...
Imo, the next coach might not be a big name, but as many have rightly said on the board, we need a young, energetic coach that will build on whatever Lavs' final legacy is (for better or worse when the time comes).
Some disagreed when I posted Fraschilla's order of importance for a head coach, but it has some support:
1) recruiting 2) scheduling 3) keeping guys eligible & 4) coaching, in that order.
There is no dumber argument than the St.John's isn't a premier job anymore argument. How about this: Working in Kentucky and Kansas is a pathetic existence under any circumstance. I don't care what you're doing, you're in Kentucky, and you're f'n pathetic because you're there on your free will.
Lavin may or not be here for the long run. I certainly have my concerns, but I give him credit for the one thing he's done better anything else. And that's selling St.John's as a chance to leave your insignificant sorry excuse for a city and come to NY, and be a star where it actually means something if you're a star.
There are 12 million people in NY. If this isn't a city a respectable professional wants to come to, how did they all wind up here?
This was just a silly post...
Assume for a moment that you're not a rabid kansas student at a sold out Texas game, but a 40 year old man with a wife and a family. Would you rather live in Soho, or in some Midwestern trailer park?
If NY wasn't a desirable place to live, you could live here for the same $400 rent that you'd pay in some disgusting backwoods dump, like Kansas.
This is Lavin's selling point for STJ. Come to New York. It's had some success.
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Foad, now you've gone too far. There is nothing more important than bagels. Let's see if you can man up and admit you made a careless error. No need to apologize.
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Assume for a moment that you're not a rabid kansas student at a sold out Texas game, but a 40 year old man with a wife and a family. Would you rather live in Soho, or in some Midwestern trailer park?
The average rent in Soho is about $4000 a month. You can get a pretty nice trailer for that.
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Would the trailer come with bagels?
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Foad, now you've gone too far. There is nothing more important than bagels. Let's see if you can man up and admit you made a careless error. No need to apologize.
I almost said pizza but I regained my senses.
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if we played either Dayton or Iowa we would beat them more then we would lose. Are either better? Both of these guys are more comparable then significantly better
We just lost to freakin DePaul and had Marquette give us a scare at home and you're telling me we would beat Dayton and Iowa more than we would lose? We might split with Dayton in a 10 game series, we lose to Iowa 8 out of 10 times. I don't know what world people live in sometimes. I really don't
We beat Syracuse. Iowa lost to them. We beat Minnesota by 9 they won by 2. Only same opponents. Sorry you lost your argument. Maybe Fran is a better coach but its not a slam dunk. What world do you live in? By the way Dayton is only playing 5/6 guys coach must be an idiot.
Iowa also beat UNC at the Dean Dome and swept Ohio State this season. Give Lavin an NBA team and he wouldn't do that.
Archie took Dayton to an elite 8. Let me repeat. Archie Miller took Dayton to an elite 8. And unlike Lavin, Archie knows how to coach a team that is down to 5-6 guys and is beating the teams they are supposed to beat.
Which up and coming coach do you think would come to St. John's?
Richard Pitino or Bobby Hurley - both would take the job I think...
I'd go with Pitino. Hurley will be the white Norm Roberts...especially if his father retires and we lose a potential St Anthony pipeline.
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This bagel/pizza controversy definitely deserves its own thread.
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Our fan base is so delusional. This job has very little to almost no appeal, there is no big name coach lining up at the door...
Now young Pitino or Hurley brothers are the key back to the glory days of the mid-eigthies? ??? LOL
The job has more appeal than Dayton, and they got Archie Miller. The job now has more appeal than Xavier, and they got Sean Miller. We name at least 5 others ...
Imo, the next coach might not be a big name, but as many have rightly said on the board, we need a young, energetic coach that will build on whatever Lavs' final legacy is (for better or worse when the time comes).
Some disagreed when I posted Fraschilla's order of importance for a head coach, but it has some support:
1) recruiting 2) scheduling 3) keeping guys eligible & 4) coaching, in that order.
There is no dumber argument than the St.John's isn't a premier job anymore argument. How about this: Working in Kentucky and Kansas is a pathetic existence under any circumstance. I don't care what you're doing, you're in Kentucky, and you're f'n pathetic because you're there on your free will.
Lavin may or not be here for the long run. I certainly have my concerns, but I give him credit for the one thing he's done better anything else. And that's selling St.John's as a chance to leave your insignificant sorry excuse for a city and come to NY, and be a star where it actually means something if you're a star.
There are 12 million people in NY. If this isn't a city a respectable professional wants to come to, how did they all wind up here?
What respectable professionals? I guess you haven't noticed. Professional sports (with the exception of a hockey resurgence) sucks big time in this town. Not everyone buys into the most overrated arena hype. Good luck Phil Jackson!
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hell id take FF part deux , but we know that would never happen. in seriousness. Lavin has alot of improvement in bench coaching , and recruiting players who are academically eligible and dont have taint on them. That being said, id hitch my wagon to a 2 year extenstion see if he can seal the deal on diallo, papa , and or Lovett/mussini and go to war with that.
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Our fan base is so delusional. This job has very little to almost no appeal, there is no big name coach lining up at the door...
Now young Pitino or Hurley brothers are the key back to the glory days of the mid-eigthies? ??? LOL
The job has more appeal than Dayton, and they got Archie Miller. The job now has more appeal than Xavier, and they got Sean Miller. We name at least 5 others ...
Imo, the next coach might not be a big name, but as many have rightly said on the board, we need a young, energetic coach that will build on whatever Lavs' final legacy is (for better or worse when the time comes).
Some disagreed when I posted Fraschilla's order of importance for a head coach, but it has some support:
1) recruiting 2) scheduling 3) keeping guys eligible & 4) coaching, in that order.
There is no dumber argument than the St.John's isn't a premier job anymore argument. How about this: Working in Kentucky and Kansas is a pathetic existence under any circumstance. I don't care what you're doing, you're in Kentucky, and you're f'n pathetic because you're there on your free will.
Lavin may or not be here for the long run. I certainly have my concerns, but I give him credit for the one thing he's done better anything else. And that's selling St.John's as a chance to leave your insignificant sorry excuse for a city and come to NY, and be a star where it actually means something if you're a star.
There are 12 million people in NY. If this isn't a city a respectable professional wants to come to, how did they all wind up here?
This was just a silly post...
Assume for a moment that you're not a rabid kansas student at a sold out Texas game, but a 40 year old man with a wife and a family. Would you rather live in Soho, or in some Midwestern trailer park?
If NY wasn't a desirable place to live, you could live here for the same $400 rent that you'd pay in some disgusting backwoods dump, like Kansas.
This is Lavin's selling point for STJ. Come to New York. It's had some success.
For many people, the $3500/month one bedroom soho apartment sounds appealing. For many others, the $700/month three bedroom midwestern house sounds much better....especially for the 40 year old with the wife and the family.
Luckily, we recruit 18 year old kids instead of 40 year old married guys so I imagine some of them are enamored by the bright lights.
What I'm saying is, while I completely understand that you and many other people prefer city life (specifically NYC), there plenty of people who prefer "alternative" lifestyles.
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Lavin coaches out his contract, then all hand$ on deck to grab Billy Donovan.
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Jamaica vs Gainesville? Let me think? If I am Billy I can make more money in Florida, on a beautiful campus, in a beautiful city with everything a big time university has to offer in the way of social life and the arts, in a great league that gets me more tv exposure than the Big East. And I don't have to pay state or local income tax, meaning I get to save the 17% NYS and NYC would take in taxes. At 5 m a year, that is a savings of 850,000, or over ten years, its 8.5 million more in my pocket. . Or I can come to SJU, take a pay cut, pay ridiculous taxes, spend two hours on the LIE every day in traffic getting to work, lose my big time and far superior recruiting amenities base, and call Union Turnpike home. Is there any wonder that Billy turned down this job before Lavin accepted it? Lots of people come to NY because that is where you can earn big bucks. But when you can make substantially more in a beautiful place like Kentucky or Gainesville,, where your sports program dominates press coverage, and everyone you meet is a fan, you would be nuts to come to NY, where pro sports dominates the news. This is why the best coaches are located in places like Kansas, Syracuse, Durham, etc. And if you think you can't get good bagels or pizza there, you have not been there. Blissful ignorance and arrogance. And Pitino raises horse --Kentucky is a natural. Billy fishes and Florida offers world class fishing. Life is better elsewhere because you can follow your passion there. The only reason to come to NY is to make more money. Take that out of the equation and NY ain't so attractive. That is the reality.
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Our fan base is so delusional. This job has very little to almost no appeal, there is no big name coach lining up at the door...
Now young Pitino or Hurley brothers are the key back to the glory days of the mid-eigthies? ??? LOL
The job has more appeal than Dayton, and they got Archie Miller. The job now has more appeal than Xavier, and they got Sean Miller. We name at least 5 others ...
Imo, the next coach might not be a big name, but as many have rightly said on the board, we need a young, energetic coach that will build on whatever Lavs' final legacy is (for better or worse when the time comes).
Some disagreed when I posted Fraschilla's order of importance for a head coach, but it has some support:
1) recruiting 2) scheduling 3) keeping guys eligible & 4) coaching, in that order.
Ture, but none of those guys were big name coaches when they got the job. Reality is you roll the dice anytime you hire an up and coming coach. Sometimes they work out, most times they don't.
BTW, neither of those you mentioned would leave their current position to come here. Unless you threw silly money at them, they don't view SJU as a step up, that speaks volumes.
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Our fan base is so delusional. This job has very little to almost no appeal, there is no big name coach lining up at the door...
Now young Pitino or Hurley brothers are the key back to the glory days of the mid-eigthies? ??? LOL
The job has more appeal than Dayton, and they got Archie Miller. The job now has more appeal than Xavier, and they got Sean Miller. We name at least 5 others ...
Imo, the next coach might not be a big name, but as many have rightly said on the board, we need a young, energetic coach that will build on whatever Lavs' final legacy is (for better or worse when the time comes).
Some disagreed when I posted Fraschilla's order of importance for a head coach, but it has some support:
1) recruiting 2) scheduling 3) keeping guys eligible & 4) coaching, in that order.
There is no dumber argument than the St.John's isn't a premier job anymore argument. How about this: Working in Kentucky and Kansas is a pathetic existence under any circumstance. I don't care what you're doing, you're in Kentucky, and you're f'n pathetic because you're there on your free will.
Lavin may or not be here for the long run. I certainly have my concerns, but I give him credit for the one thing he's done better anything else. And that's selling St.John's as a chance to leave your insignificant sorry excuse for a city and come to NY, and be a star where it actually means something if you're a star.
There are 12 million people in NY. If this isn't a city a respectable professional wants to come to, how did they all wind up here?
LOL, just another ignorant NY'er who has no appreciation or knowledge of the real world or for that matter the rest of the country. Keep on keeping on Poison
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Doe anyone think big time when the walk into alumni hall?
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Jamaica vs Gainesville? Let me think? If I am Billy I can make more money in Florida, on a beautiful campus, in a beautiful city with everything a big time university has to offer in the way of social life and the arts, in a great league that gets me more tv exposure than the Big East. And I don't have to pay state or local income tax, meaning I get to save the 17% NYS and NYC would take in taxes. At 5 m a year, that is a savings of 850,000, or over ten years, its 8.5 million more in my pocket. . Or I can come to SJU, take a pay cut, pay ridiculous taxes, spend two hours on the LIE every day in traffic getting to work, lose my big time and far superior recruiting amenities base, and call Union Turnpike home. Is there any wonder that Billy turned down this job before Lavin accepted it? Lots of people come to NY because that is where you can earn big bucks. But when you can make substantially more in a beautiful place like Kentucky or Gainesville,, where your sports program dominates press coverage, and everyone you meet is a fan, you would be nuts to come to NY, where pro sports dominates the news. This is why the best coaches are located in places like Kansas, Syracuse, Durham, etc. And if you think you can't get good bagels or pizza there, you have not been there. Blissful ignorance and arrogance. And Pitino raises horse --Kentucky is a natural. Billy fishes and Florida offers world class fishing. Life is better elsewhere because you can follow your passion there. The only reason to come to NY is to make more money. Take that out of the equation and NY ain't so attractive. That is the reality.
Just so happens Billy's contract is up same time as Lavins. Billy's youngest kid is a senior on his team right now. Time for a change of scenery Billy, come on home and be the king of NY
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The idea that NYC is still the " end all be all" is completely absurd.. Most realize this.. I can't possible count the amount of people I know who have gotten the hell out of NY in the last 6-7 years. Doesn't mean that there aren't people/coaches/players that are still enamored with it. IMO, I think the next coach should have some NY roots. Need to own the NYC player pipeline once again. I know it's not the same anymore, but last 10 years we have missed on way too many quality local kids.. Not even talking about 5 stars here.
"tis a beautiful country... Some of you should check it out.
Looking forward to doing it myself ( relocating that is)
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Jamaica vs Gainesville? Let me think? If I am Billy I can make more money in Florida, on a beautiful campus, in a beautiful city with everything a big time university has to offer in the way of social life and the arts, in a great league that gets me more tv exposure than the Big East. And I don't have to pay state or local income tax, meaning I get to save the 17% NYS and NYC would take in taxes. At 5 m a year, that is a savings of 850,000, or over ten years, its 8.5 million more in my pocket. . Or I can come to SJU, take a pay cut, pay ridiculous taxes, spend two hours on the LIE every day in traffic getting to work, lose my big time and far superior recruiting amenities base, and call Union Turnpike home. Is there any wonder that Billy turned down this job before Lavin accepted it? Lots of people come to NY because that is where you can earn big bucks. But when you can make substantially more in a beautiful place like Kentucky or Gainesville,, where your sports program dominates press coverage, and everyone you meet is a fan, you would be nuts to come to NY, where pro sports dominates the news. This is why the best coaches are located in places like Kansas, Syracuse, Durham, etc. And if you think you can't get good bagels or pizza there, you have not been there. Blissful ignorance and arrogance. And Pitino raises horse --Kentucky is a natural. Billy fishes and Florida offers world class fishing. Life is better elsewhere because you can follow your passion there. The only reason to come to NY is to make more money. Take that out of the equation and NY ain't so attractive. That is the reality.
Just so happens Billy's contract is up same time as Lavins. Billy's youngest kid is a senior on his team right now. Time for a change of scenery Billy, come on home and be the king of NY
A nice story...Everyone would sign up for that tomorrow. Not going to happen.. Let's be realistic. I kinda like Steve Pikiell from Stoney Brook.. Conn native( not NYC but close) . He's built a program from the depths over there. Don't know enough about his recruiting prowess but he's doing something right.
Them big- flashy names we always throw out aren't happening.... I'm waiting for a Matt Doherty suggestion soon, Cal maybe? Knight out of retirement.....Majerus ( rip)
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Jamaica vs Gainesville? Let me think? If I am Billy I can make more money in Florida, on a beautiful campus, in a beautiful city with everything a big time university has to offer in the way of social life and the arts, in a great league that gets me more tv exposure than the Big East. And I don't have to pay state or local income tax, meaning I get to save the 17% NYS and NYC would take in taxes. At 5 m a year, that is a savings of 850,000, or over ten years, its 8.5 million more in my pocket. . Or I can come to SJU, take a pay cut, pay ridiculous taxes, spend two hours on the LIE every day in traffic getting to work, lose my big time and far superior recruiting amenities base, and call Union Turnpike home. Is there any wonder that Billy turned down this job before Lavin accepted it? Lots of people come to NY because that is where you can earn big bucks. But when you can make substantially more in a beautiful place like Kentucky or Gainesville,, where your sports program dominates press coverage, and everyone you meet is a fan, you would be nuts to come to NY, where pro sports dominates the news. This is why the best coaches are located in places like Kansas, Syracuse, Durham, etc. And if you think you can't get good bagels or pizza there, you have not been there. Blissful ignorance and arrogance. And Pitino raises horse --Kentucky is a natural. Billy fishes and Florida offers world class fishing. Life is better elsewhere because you can follow your passion there. The only reason to come to NY is to make more money. Take that out of the equation and NY ain't so attractive. That is the reality.
Just so happens Billy's contract is up same time as Lavins. Billy's youngest kid is a senior on his team right now. Time for a change of scenery Billy, come on home and be the king of NY
A nice story...Everyone would sign up for that tomorrow. Not going to happen.. Let's be realistic. I kinda like Steve Pikiell from Stoney Brook.. Conn native( not NYC but close) . He's built a program from the depths over there. Don't know enough about his recruiting prowess but he's doing something right.
Them big- flashy names we always throw out aren't happening.... I'm waiting for a Matt Doherty suggestion soon, Cal maybe? Knight out of retirement.....Majerus ( rip)
You don't have to like me or my posts, but trust me when I say this. If the big money people have their way(which is usually the case) they are looking for Bigtime coach. No retreads or long shots. Connect the dots.
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I nominate Walter Berry. Everyone always mentions Mullin, Berry getting the shafty if you ask me
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LIfe is painful, dreary drudgery, as Chekhov postulates, wherever you are. The things that make it somewhat tolerable and provide a brief respite from it all; cheesecake, beer and p*ssy taste the same in Kentucky as in New York. Watching college bball from your den in Kansas looks the same as from your Soho apartment.
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"You don't have to like me or my posts, but trust me when I say this. "
a bit dramatic, no? I don't trust you...but holy crap, you are due to be right one of these times.
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Steve's here for the long term, this thread is a waste of everyone's time. This team is prime to make a deep BET and NCAA run over the next 8 weeks, couple that with a supposed monster, international/US class in the week's following the tourney and Lavin's looking at an easy 5 year extension. We should be gameplanning for Creighton, yet this is the only active convo going on today, cmon fellas.
Are your fortunes directly tied to Lavin?
You do realize it's not up to "Steve" right? He doesn't get to give himself an extension, as much as he may like to.
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If the money men get their way it's Donovan, if not it's Hurley.
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If the money men get their way it's Donovan, if not it's Hurley.
Is Donovan or Hurley going to coach all those kids you said were coming when Norm was coach? Or do you have better "sources" now?
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One thing about Donavan that I'm sure he can't like is cal running through the SEC. Donovan could be king of the BE. Maybe that could be worth something.
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One thing about Donavan that I'm sure he can't like is cal running through the SEC. Donovan could be king of the BE. Maybe that could be worth something.
Donovan is making 4 million this year and 3.7 million for the next 5 until his contract expires in 2019. So being king of the BE better be worth more than the 21 million. Because you can buy a lot of solace for 21 million dollars.
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If the money men get their way it's Donovan, if not it's Hurley.
Is Donovan or Hurley going to coach all those kids you said were coming when Norm was coach? Or do you have better "sources" now?
You already know that answer. I'll just say this, you think the school can continue to pay this staff and their ridiculous salaries? Nope.
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We are Nostradamus has seen the future. Here is how this plays out.
Immediately following our NIT first round loss Lavin and SJU mutually part ways. Lavin claims he felt he brought SJU back to prominence with 4 tourney appearances in 5 years. He claims he wants to back to the West coast because unlike the Patriot footballs, the cold weather actually inflates his head. If you look at pictures of him from UCLA days and now, who can argue with him?
Willard is hired and after not making any tourney's for 3 years, he is fired much to the delight of everyone but Baldi who claims Lavin left him with nothing.
Fresh off of back to back NCAA champion ships seasons and one step ahead of NCAA posse, SJU hires John Calipari to be its new coach. Everyone except Lou Carnescca and Baldi are ecstatic. Baldi points out that Kentucky was just dealt the death penalty and is now not even allowed to have a basketball team. Louie asks for his name to be removed from the arena.
Cal immediately gets the top rated recruiting class in the country and guides SJU to its first NCAA championship.
Unfortunately the day after the championship banner is hung at Calipari arena, coach resigns to go coach Kevin Durant and the Knicks. All 5 Cal recruits declare for the NCAA and we are put on 10 year probation.
Norm Roberts son is hired as the new SJU coach.
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SJU has a lot to offer and I just don't believe that we cannot find solid recruits who want the taste of the big city life...Yes SJU does count and MSG still does mean something...Coach K even said he was glad to get his 1,000 at MSG.
If SJU was trying to be a football school I would agree with many of you that SJU facilities are really lacking, but we are talking basketball. There are many school similiar in size that have been good over the years (Zags). There have been huge schools with lots of money to throw around that have been bad for many years.
I have been living in Texas for almost six years, and I have had a chance to see some of these big time schools. Everything in these major conferences focuses around Football. My wife went to TCU and she never went to a Basketball game.
Austin is nice but their big street is a glorified Bell Blvd. A&M fan base is rabid but College Station is in the middle of nowhere so there is nothing to do except be involved in campus life (Probably like most major campuses). The bigger reason that Cuse has been good for some many years has to do with Coach B then facilities...Defiantly not because of where the school is located...
SJU was good up until the early 90s and they had the same if not more limited facilities. The real issue is bad management and coaching. If SJU can figure that out (I believe the new President will be more attentive to the BBall program then the last one) the program will really turn around. The verdict is still out if Lavin can fully turn this program around, but until the management part is fixed, SJU will continue to struggle.
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Donavan already said no last time around. End of story. Also, the number mentioned above --4m per year---is low and does not include side deals like camps, radio, tv, etc. Moreover, if he wanted to leave Gainesville and come to a big city, he could move to NBA and make far more than he is earning in Florida. Some posters need a dose of realism.
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We are Nostradamus has seen the future. Here is how this plays out.
Immediately following our NIT first round loss Lavin and SJU mutually part ways. Lavin claims he felt he brought SJU back to prominence with 4 tourney appearances in 5 years. He claims he wants to back to the West coast because unlike the Patriot footballs, the cold weather actually inflates his head. If you look at pictures of him from UCLA days and now, who can argue with him?
Willard his hired and despite not making any tourney for 3 years, he is fired much to the delight of everyone but Baldi who claims Lavin left him with nothing.
Fresh off of back to back NCAA champion ships seasons and one step ahead of NCAA posse, SJU hires John Calipari to be its new coach. Everyone except Lou Carnescca and Baldi are ecstatic. Baldi points out that Kentucky was just dealt the death penalty and is now not even allowed to have a basketball team. Louie asks for his name to be removed from the arena.
Cal immediately gets the top rated recruiting class in the country and guides SJU to its first NCAA championship.
Unfortunately the day after the championship banner is hung at Calipari arena, coach resigns to go coach Kevin Durant and the Knicks. All 5 Cal recruits declare for the NCAA and we are put on 10 year probation.
Norm Roberts son is hired as the new SJU coach.
But we won right?! And it's not vacated?
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Donovan isn't coming. Please stop with the absurdity.
If we are going to speculate lets keep it in the realm of reality.
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We are Nostradamus has seen the future. Here is how this plays out.
Immediately following our NIT first round loss Lavin and SJU mutually part ways. Lavin claims he felt he brought SJU back to prominence with 4 tourney appearances in 5 years. He claims he wants to back to the West coast because unlike the Patriot footballs, the cold weather actually inflates his head. If you look at pictures of him from UCLA days and now, who can argue with him?
Willard his hired and despite not making any tourney for 3 years, he is fired much to the delight of everyone but Baldi who claims Lavin left him with nothing.
Fresh off of back to back NCAA champion ships seasons and one step ahead of NCAA posse, SJU hires John Calipari to be its new coach. Everyone except Lou Carnescca and Baldi are ecstatic. Baldi points out that Kentucky was just dealt the death penalty and is now not even allowed to have a basketball team. Louie asks for his name to be removed from the arena.
Cal immediately gets the top rated recruiting class in the country and guides SJU to its first NCAA championship.
Unfortunately the day after the championship banner is hung at Calipari arena, coach resigns to go coach Kevin Durant and the Knicks. All 5 Cal recruits declare for the NCAA and we are put on 10 year probation.
Norm Roberts son is hired as the new SJU coach.
But we won right?! And it's not vacated?
Does it matter? Would you care? Wasn't Elite 8 taken away? I would sign up for the way that "prediction" played out BTW
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I'd sign up for We are SJU scenario in a second...
The joy is in the season, in the moment...
Vacated or not, it happened. Sign me up.
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hell id take FF part deux , but we know that would never happen. in seriousness. Lavin has alot of improvement in bench coaching , and recruiting players who are academically eligible and dont have taint on them. That being said, id hitch my wagon to a 2 year extenstion see if he can seal the deal on diallo, papa , and or Lovett/mussini and go to war with that.
For the all the praise he gets for his recruiting ability, the 96-97 Storm was loaded with upperclassmen, and stunk up the BE. Don't get me wrong, he's probably the best of the bunch overall, but he's also far from perfect.
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Gee I hope someone is trying to buyout contracts
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Donovan isn't coming. Please stop with the absurdity.
If we are going to speculate lets keep it in the realm of reality.
It's craziness for his name to come up. He busted his butt to build up a nothing bball program. It'll have to be NBA money to get him to leave there befor ehe retires. Or the Duke/UNC job. That's about it. Stevens is Duke's next HC, so he can forget there too - ;D
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Donovan isn't coming. Please stop with the absurdity.
If we are going to speculate lets keep it in the realm of reality.
It's craziness for his name to come up. He busted his butt to build up a nothing bball program. It'll have to be NBA money to get him to leave there befor ehe retires. Or the Duke/UNC job. That's about it. Stevens is Duke's next HC, so he can forget there too - ;D
NBA money is what this school has in basketball donors
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Donovan isn't coming. Please stop with the absurdity.
If we are going to speculate lets keep it in the realm of reality.
It's craziness for his name to come up. He busted his butt to build up a nothing bball program(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png)(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png)(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png). It'll have to be NBA money to get him to leave there befor ehe retires. Or the Duke/UNC job. That's about it. Stevens is Duke's next HC, so he can forget there too - ;D
NBA money is what this school has in basketball donors
Obviously, you heard they might part with it to get that caliber of coach. I still don't see any coach, in a good situation where he's currently at, coming unless the money AND the situation are ripe for immediate success. I cannot get past that in my mind, although I've been wrong before.
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Donovan isn't coming. Please stop with the absurdity.
If we are going to speculate lets keep it in the realm of reality.
It's craziness for his name to come up. He busted his butt to build up a nothing bball program(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png)(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png)(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png). It'll have to be NBA money to get him to leave there befor ehe retires. Or the Duke/UNC job. That's about it. Stevens is Duke's next HC, so he can forget there too - ;D
NBA money is what this school has in basketball donors
Obviously, you heard they might part with it to get that caliber of coach. I still don't see any coach, in a good situation where he's currently at, coming unless the money AND the situation are ripe for immediate success. I cannot get past that in my mind, although I've been wrong before.
I don't think this current staff is back next year even if they make the tournament
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Donovan isn't coming. Please stop with the absurdity.
If we are going to speculate lets keep it in the realm of reality.
It's craziness for his name to come up. He busted his butt to build up a nothing bball program(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png)(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png)(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png)(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png). It'll have to be NBA money to get him to leave there befor ehe retires. Or the Duke/UNC job. That's about it. Stevens is Duke's next HC, so he can forget there too - ;D
NBA money is what this school has in basketball donors
Obviously, you heard they might part with it to get that caliber of coach. I still don't see any coach, in a good situation where he's currently at, coming unless the money AND the situation are ripe for immediate success. I cannot get past that in my mind, although I've been wrong before.
I don't think this current staff is back next year even if they make the tournament
I would lean towards you being correct, or else extension would be done by now (imo).
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Donovan isn't coming. Please stop with the absurdity.
If we are going to speculate lets keep it in the realm of reality.
It's craziness for his name to come up. He busted his butt to build up a nothing bball program. It'll have to be NBA money to get him to leave there befor ehe retires. Or the Duke/UNC job. That's about it. Stevens is Duke's next HC, so he can forget there too - ;D
Stevens to Duke
Shaka to UNC
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Donovan isn't coming. Please stop with the absurdity.
If we are going to speculate lets keep it in the realm of reality.
It's craziness for his name to come up. He busted his butt to build up a nothing bball program(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png). It'll have to be NBA money to get him to leave there befor ehe retires. Or the Duke/UNC job. That's about it. Stevens is Duke's next HC, so he can forget there too - ;D
Stevens to Duke
Shaka to UNC
If I'm betting on it, they have my money.
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Pikiell cannot be considered a candidate with Will Brown cleaning his clock on such a regular basis. If you are looking to dip into the America East coaching pool. You'll have to head north.
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The Knicks brought back Holtzman, ST John's brought back Louie. I think we should follow that and bring back our most succesful coach post Louie. Bring back Jarvis!
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Stevens is leaving Celtics, why?
He's a head coach in the NBA for one of the greatest franchises in all of sport ( winningest at least). Hand selected to slowly rebuild the team from the bottom up.. He's doing a great job and they love him there.
Replacing K at Duke is the ultimate no-win situation... Why would anyone leave a great situation at the top of your industry for that?
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The Knicks brought back Holtzman, ST John's brought back Louie. I think we should follow that and bring back our most succesful coach post Louie. Bring back Jarvis!
I'd take FF over Jarvis.
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Stevens is leaving Celtics, why?
He's a head coach in the NBA for one of the greatest franchises in all of sport ( winningest at least). Hand selected to slowly rebuild the team from the bottom up.. He's doing a great job and they love him there.
Replacing K at Duke is the ultimate no-win situation... Why would anyone leave a great situation at the top of your industry for that?
That rebuild going to take awhile. Guy is a great coach but if after your first pro job you wind up 100 or so games under .500, people might forget the circumstances and look at your record. Tough thing to have to rebuild. Usually those coaches aren't around when things finally get turned around.
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If the Johnnies are serious about this, they'll go hard after Smart or one of the other hot names out there.
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If the Johnnies are serious about this, they'll go hard after Smart or one of the other hot names out there.
Shaka Smart has a ridiculous contract and a top 25 team. Why would he want a demotion
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True... But Stevens was brought in for this purpose.. That's why he got a 6 year deal... They have like5 first round picks coming up.. They will be good pretty soon... Sooner than the Knicks.
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If the Johnnies are serious about this, they'll go hard after Smart or one of the other hot names out there.
Shaka Smart has a ridiculous contract and a top 25 team. Why would he want a demotion
NYC, the Big East, MSG. SJU would have to pay him top $$ to take him from VCU.
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True... But Stevens was brought in for this purpose.. That's why he got a 6 year deal... They have like5 first round picks coming up.. They will be good pretty soon... Sooner than the Knicks.
Kevin Love hates Clev and Lebron supposedy now hates him.
Melo, Love, Okafer and Dragic on next years Knicks
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True... But Stevens was brought in for this purpose.. That's why he got a 6 year deal... They have like5 first round picks coming up.. They will be good pretty soon... Sooner than the Knicks.
Stevens is an upgrade?
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Love and Melo on the same team.... I promise that team never wins anything... They play the same position... PF chucker.
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If the Johnnies are serious about this, they'll go hard after Smart or one of the other hot names out there.
Shaka Smart has a ridiculous contract and a top 25 team. Why would he want a demotion
to play devil's advocate, the same could be said about Billy Donovan
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True... But Stevens was brought in for this purpose.. That's why he got a 6 year deal... They have like5 first round picks coming up.. They will be good pretty soon... Sooner than the Knicks.
Stevens is an upgrade?
Huh?
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If the Johnnies are serious about this, they'll go hard after Smart or one of the other hot names out there.
Shaka Smart has a ridiculous contract and a top 25 team. Why would he want a demotion
to play devil's advocate, the same could be said about Billy Donovan
Donovan's contract is through when?
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Since you guys can't put it together. St Johns can afford to pay this huge staff anymore, why is Keady making 300,000? Either way, this Lavin experiment is over shortly
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BD signed an extension last year... Locked up until 2019 at just under 4 mil per.
Not Coming
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Since you guys can't put it together. St Johns can afford to pay this huge staff anymore, why is Keady making 300,000? Either way, this Lavin experiment is over shortly
If they can't afford to pay this staff, who is going to pay Billy Donovan or another bigname? Donors? That's a big check to pick up.
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http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/tournament/2014/story/_/id/10670695/florida-gators-coach-billy-donovan-gets-three-year-extension-raise
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Since you guys can't put it together. St Johns can afford to pay this huge staff anymore, why is Keady making 300,000? Either way, this Lavin experiment is over shortly
You keep saying shortly but you also say when his contract runs out after next year? Which one is it?
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BD signed an extension last year... Locked up until 2019 at just under 4 mil per.
Not Coming
Exactly. I think Lavin is going to make the tournanent, and get his extension. I know this group has fallen since starting 11-1, but they are still in a good position to make the tournament. That doesn't mean I want Lavin here, but it's what I see happening.
It's the end of January, and the staff has been doing a pretty good job with the current roster. Now, they need to bring it all home and end well for once.
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Since you guys can't put it together. St Johns can afford to pay this huge staff anymore, why is Keady making 300,000? Either way, this Lavin experiment is over shortly
Put what together? Your ridiculous predictions? You are saying that Lavin is gone next year ( which you have said the last two seasons as well) ? Great.. Going out on a limb again.. Like I said, one year you will be right and say "i told you so".... Those paying attention realize its the old "blind squirrel" theory on a STJ message board.
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Since you guys can't put it together. St Johns can afford to pay this huge staff anymore, why is Keady making 300,000? Either way, this Lavin experiment is over shortly
Put what together? Your ridiculous predictions? You are saying that Lavin is gone next year ( which you have said the last two seasons as well) ? Great.. Going out on a limb again.. Like I said, one year you will be right and say "i told you so".... Those paying attention realize its the old "blind squirrel" theory on a STJ message board.
Exactly, boo!
Here you go, Baldi.... You need 'em to clear you out (maximum strength, too)....
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True... But Stevens was brought in for this purpose.. That's why he got a 6 year deal... They have like5 first round picks coming up.. They will be good pretty soon... Sooner than the Knicks.
Stevens knew what he was getting into with Boston. Just wait on Boston.
That said, I'd love Stevens to be Duke's next HC in 5+ years when Coach K retires and after Stevens has won a title with Boston and is ready to move on. That said, almost definitely K will handpick a former player as successor. So hopefully Stevens still wants the job when the first successor fails.
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Hey, a Lavin for Donovan swap is one of the few times I am rooting for a Baldi prediction to be true. But, it's not going to happen.
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I hope I'm wrong and Lavin gets a 30 year extension. some fans deserve that
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There is a large percentage of fans who understand Lavin took over a program in shambles, and had to start from scratch, and Rome was not built in a day. Respect has to be earned. We are relevant again, after ten plus years of failure. Just because the same few posters keep banging the fire Lavin drum does not mean that that is the consensus among the larger fan base.
Actually most of the fan base does think that.
At this time, a year ago, a majority of the board wanted Lavin fired.
Further, of 100 respondents, only 30 said they wanted Lavin as the coach next season.
Stop acting like the majority of fans want to keep Lavin forever and ever. That's simply not true. Many are just rooting for this likeable class of seniors, but in the back of their minds, aren't too fond of Lavin.
And for good reason.
http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.0
http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=8466.msg185467#msg185467
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I hope I'm wrong and Lavin gets a 30 year extension. some fans deserve that
When are you going back to work? :)
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I hope I'm wrong and Lavin gets a 30 year extension. some fans deserve that
When are you going back to work? :)
No more scoop from me. No one even posts here anymore anyway. Mods post here?
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There is a large percentage of fans who understand Lavin took over a program in shambles, and had to start from scratch, and Rome was not built in a day. Respect has to be earned. We are relevant again, after ten plus years of failure. Just because the same few posters keep banging the fire Lavin drum does not mean that that is the consensus among the larger fan base.
Actually most of the fan base does think that.
At this time, a year ago, a majority of the board wanted Lavin fired.
Further, of 100 respondents, only 30 said they wanted Lavin as the coach next season.
Stop acting like the majority of fans want to keep Lavin forever and ever. That's simply not true. Many are just rooting for this likeable class of seniors, but in the back of their minds, aren't too fond of Lavin.
And for good reason.
http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.0
http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=8466.msg185467#msg185467
Nope. Unless someone just voted, it looks like a majority wanted him to stay at this time last year, and that was when they had just lost 4/5 in a row to open up big east play.
The other poll asks if you would rather have lavin or shaka smart, among other things, which isn't really the same, because of course we would rather have guys like Donovan or even Smart. That doesn't mean those same people want lavin fired, because Smart probably isn't attainable, and even if he was the administration would probably screw it up. Plus, 3 people in that poll said they would rather have a guy with a 7-13 record at USF, so we probably shouldn't put much weight in what they say.
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There is a large percentage of fans who understand Lavin took over a program in shambles, and had to start from scratch, and Rome was not built in a day. Respect has to be earned. We are relevant again, after ten plus years of failure. Just because the same few posters keep banging the fire Lavin drum does not mean that that is the consensus among the larger fan base.
Actually most of the fan base does think that.
At this time, a year ago, a majority of the board wanted Lavin fired.
Further, of 100 respondents, only 30 said they wanted Lavin as the coach next season.
Stop acting like the majority of fans want to keep Lavin forever and ever. That's simply not true. Many are just rooting for this likeable class of seniors, but in the back of their minds, aren't too fond of Lavin.
And for good reason.
http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.0
http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=8466.msg185467#msg185467
I think the fact that more people wanted Lavin than Shaka Smart is pretty crippling to the point you were trying to make.
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There is a large percentage of fans who understand Lavin took over a program in shambles, and had to start from scratch, and Rome was not built in a day. Respect has to be earned. We are relevant again, after ten plus years of failure. Just because the same few posters keep banging the fire Lavin drum does not mean that that is the consensus among the larger fan base.
Actually most of the fan base does think that.
At this time, a year ago, a majority of the board wanted Lavin fired.
Further, of 100 respondents, only 30 said they wanted Lavin as the coach next season.
Stop acting like the majority of fans want to keep Lavin forever and ever. That's simply not true. Many are just rooting for this likeable class of seniors, but in the back of their minds, aren't too fond of Lavin.
And for good reason.
http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.0
http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?topic=8466.msg185467#msg185467
Nope. Unless someone just voted, it looks like a majority wanted him to stay at this time last year, and that was when they had just lost 4/5 in a row to open up big east play.
The other poll asks if you would rather have lavin or shaka smart, among other things, which isn't really the same, because of course we would rather have guys like Donovan or even Smart. That doesn't mean those same people want lavin fired, because Smart probably isn't attainable, and even if he was the administration would probably screw it up. Plus, 3 people in that poll said they would rather have a guy with a 7-13 record at USF, so we probably shouldn't put much weight in what they say.
Right, so because USF is struggling Antigua isn't a good coach? He's been there 6 months!
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There is a large percentage of fans who understand Lavin took over a program in shambles, and had to start from scratch, and Rome was not built in a day. Respect has to be earned. We are relevant again, after ten plus years of failure. Just because the same few posters keep banging the fire Lavin drum does not mean that that is the consensus among the larger fan base.
Actually most of the fan base does think that.
At this time, a year ago, a majority of the board wanted Lavin fired.
Further, of 100 respondents, only 30 said they wanted Lavin as the coach next season.
Stop acting like the majority of fans want to keep Lavin forever and ever. That's simply not true. Many are just rooting for this likeable class of seniors, but in the back of their minds, aren't too fond of Lavin.
And for good reason.
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I think the fact that more people wanted Lavin than Shaka Smart is pretty crippling to the point you were trying to make.
Not really. Many people realize that Shaka isn't a viable option.
The point was - and remains- that many St Johns would rather see someone else coaching the team. It's not a small group of outspoken crazies.
I admit that I go over the top in my criticism of Lavin, I play a crazy person on the internet. It's not like Im alone in that.
But plenty of rational fans dislike Lavin as well. They just continue to root for a team they love, and would rather not talk about it as often as we do.
But that doesn't change the fact that they don't like SL.
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Since you guys can't put it together. St Johns can afford(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png) to pay this huge staff anymore, why is Keady making 300,000? Either way, this Lavin experiment is over shortly
Paid quite highly he is
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If we would have beaten Duke. Baldi would be gone by now. He would be bored and bothering other people.
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If we would have beaten Duke. Baldi would be gone by now. He would be bored and bothering other people.
One point is indisputable. There is a definite reason admin is holding off on any extensions.
I do not have the reason, and there are numerous theories. Baldi's is as plausible as any I've seen. Any posters in the know probably wouldn't state the plan even if they knew it. And I like that because I would not want any deep distractions for this season. Our guys deserve that. Despite the latest bumps in the road, I think the guys will lift themselves out of the Beast hole and finish with a +.500 In Conf. record. I guesstimate 10-8.
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If we would have beaten Duke. Baldi would be gone by now. He would be bored and bothering other people.
I was saddened most by this part, even more so than losing the game.
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Nail in the coffin?
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If the Johnnies are serious about this, they'll go hard after Smart or one of the other hot names out there.
Shaka Smart has a ridiculous contract and a top 25 team. Why would he want a demotion
He's not coming here but hardly ridiculous contract.
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/20/shaka-smarts-new-contract-at-virginia-commonwealth/
http://wtvr.com/2014/03/24/coach-shaka-smart-leaving-for-marquette/
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Under no circumstances should he come back next year. I will take anyone as a replacement
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Under no circumstances should he come back next year. I will take anyone as a replacement
Yes
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I want this bum gone!!!
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Time for him to go. If it wasn't last year or this year, it'll never be with this guy. The talent is there. Just doesn't do anything with it.
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I've reached the point where I'd get rid of him even if Diallo was committed here
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He had Final Four talent at UCLA all he could manage were Sweet 16's, here he has Sweet 16 talent and all he can manage is NIT's.
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If the Johnnies are serious about this, they'll go hard after Smart or one of the other hot names out there.
Shaka Smart has a ridiculous contract and a top 25 team. Why would he want a demotion
He's not coming here but hardly ridiculous contract.
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/20/shaka-smarts-new-contract-at-virginia-commonwealth/
http://wtvr.com/2014/03/24/coach-shaka-smart-leaving-for-marquette/
Only job Shaka takes is UNC.
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If the Johnnies are serious about this, they'll go hard after Smart or one of the other hot names out there.
Shaka Smart has a ridiculous contract and a top 25 team. Why would he want a demotion
He's not coming here but hardly ridiculous contract.
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/20/shaka-smarts-new-contract-at-virginia-commonwealth/
http://wtvr.com/2014/03/24/coach-shaka-smart-leaving-for-marquette/
Only job Shaka takes is UNC.
Shaka Khan would be an improvement
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If the Johnnies are serious about this, they'll go hard after Smart or one of the other hot names out there.
Shaka Smart has a ridiculous contract and a top 25 team. Why would he want a demotion
He's not coming here but hardly ridiculous contract.
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/10/20/shaka-smarts-new-contract-at-virginia-commonwealth/
http://wtvr.com/2014/03/24/coach-shaka-smart-leaving-for-marquette/
Only job Shaka takes is UNC.
As I said a page ago :)
I'm almost as good as predicting things as the Prince of Philly is ;)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1422411861&v=SqYG3f4PaWc&x-yt-cl=84924572 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?x-yt-ts=1422411861&v=SqYG3f4PaWc&x-yt-cl=84924572) :'(
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Does it pay to start a Kickstarter?
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I will take anyone as a replacement
He probably will be gone after this season. But you wouldn't take just anyone. Be careful, as you may get "anyone" as a replacement.
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Does it pay to start a Kickstarter?
Nope. Fire lavin kickstarter? Ill donate :)
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I would definitely try to get a billboard made with the donations
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Get a Mark Jackson on the horn asap
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Get a Mark Jackson on the horn asap
no mark jackson. did you see the disaster at golden state when he was coach?
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Get a Mark Jackson on the horn asap
no mark jackson. did you see the disaster at golden state when he was coach?
I was saying it as a joke. I saw it all over Twitter tonight but a disaster? He wasn't great but a disaster he was not. What we have now is a disaster.
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I typically never post and just read the board, but after last nights loss I can't help myself. Since Lavin got here he told everyone who would listen that this year would be the year and now it clearly is not the year. Eventually you've gotta win and Lavin has not done that in the last four seasons. Barring BET tournament title which at this point would shock everyone, if the program has even a little self respect Lavin should not be the coach next year.
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Get a Mark Jackson on the horn asap
no mark jackson. did you see the disaster at golden state when he was coach?
Disaster... you have to be kidding me...
Maybe he needs to work on his people skills but one of his assistant coaches stabbed him in the back...
While Steve Kerr is the coach currently (good miss by him not taking the Knicks), he is clearly reaping the benefits of what Jackson and the front office put together...
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Why hasn't anyone brought up Archie Miller?
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Jackson did a very good job as a coach in Golden St. and put that team on strong footing for Kerr to take over this year.
The owner even came out a few months ago and said that Jackson was a good coach but that his people skills left something to be desire. Jackson may have been too much of a control freak when it came to hiring people on his staff.
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Why hasn't anyone brought up Archie Miller?
He's done an awesome job at Dayton. Turned them into a team that noone wants to play in March. Good choice and I hope for once that SJU goes after a young, hungry, successful coach like a Miller, Smart, Hurley, Toole, and so on. There's a good amount of young, talented coaches out there.
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All i can say is that thank God all reports of him receiving an extension, or being in talks of ironing out an extension are 100% false.
Six more weeks of this fellas.
The party is over for Mr. Lavin.
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St. John's should contact the agent for Pitt Coach Jamie Dixon and inquire whether he would like to move his gig to Jamaica.
I am hearing that Dix is feeling irrelevant in the ACC and he may consider move to a program he believes will make him relevant. Pitt won't make the ACC this season and its long term future ain't rosy. Dix is currently receiving $2.4/ year which is in the neighborhood that Lavin is being paid.
There is no reason why St. John's doesn't call Dix's agent to determine whether there is interest.
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Good call on Dixon. Wouod cost an arm and a leg but would be a home run.
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For the first time I am fully in the I do not want him back camp. The thing that kills me, is unlike the other unsuccessful coaches since Louie(and yes he now should be considered that) most of his wounds seemed to be self inflicted. Other than disappointment the thing I will think about when looking about Lavin era is sabotage.
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For the first time I am fully in the I do not want him back camp. The thing that kills me, is unlike the other unsuccessful coaches since Louie(and yes he now should be considered that) most of his wounds seemed to be self inflicted. Other than disappointment the thing I will think about when looking about Lavin era is sabotage.
Fraschilla and Jarvis didn't sabotage their own careers?
I think they did.
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For the first time I am fully in the I do not want him back camp. The thing that kills me, is unlike the other unsuccessful coaches since Louie(and yes he now should be considered that) most of his wounds seemed to be self inflicted. Other than disappointment the thing I will think about when looking about Lavin era is sabotage.
Fraschilla and Jarvis didn't sabotage their own careers?
I think they did.
Fran was insane, was a matter of time. Jarvis pompous and became lazy. I see what you are saying, but what I meant was Lavin seems to create problems out of nowhere. Jarvis and Fran were ticking time bombs, Lavin created drama for no reason it seems to me anyway.
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Does Monasch have to go too?
I lean towards yes, the only thing that makes me hesitate is that the rest of the athletic program has been run rather well.
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Does Monasch have to go too?
I lean towards yes, the only thing that makes me hesitate is that the rest of the athletic program has been run rather well.
I think he definitely has to go. The bulk of the athletic program's revenues comes from one sport...Men's basketball. This guy is one of the main reasons that SJU has never become a big time college team again. He seems to not put the emphasis on the big time business that is college hoops. I want an AD who has a vision to want this team as a top 20 club every year. Monasch would be better running a smaller school's athletic dept.
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Does Monasch have to go too?
I lean towards yes, the only thing that makes me hesitate is that the rest of the athletic program has been run rather well.
I think he definitely has to go. The bulk of the athletic program's revenues comes from one sport...Men's basketball. This guy is one of the main reasons that SJU has never become a big time college team again. He seems to not put the emphasis on the big time business that is college hoops. I want an AD who has a vision to want this team as a top 20 club every year. Monasch would be better running a smaller school's athletic dept.
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The Big East was built around basketball, being good in other sports is good but Basketball is far and beyond the most important sport. Monasch didn't have a plan to replace Norm, and the amount of player issues under Lavin is pathetic. Also the new SJU President might want to bring in his own AD, and this will give him the perfect chance to do so.
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Why hasn't anyone brought up Archie Miller?
+1
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Why hasn't anyone brought up Archie Miller?
+1
Because he may have bigger fish to fry, that's why.
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Why hasn't anyone brought up Archie Miller?
+1
Miller has been brought up multiple times
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Why hasn't anyone brought up Archie Miller?
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Miller has been brought up multiple times
He would be a slam dunk but he is Gona have some offers from great programs. This job is very appealing I believe. The conference has been great, msg, open scholarships to build your own team (can be a negative also) but even with our recent struggles this is still a top 40 job in my estimation and obviously those don't open up all that often. We can and should be picky and get a quality all around coach.
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Why hasn't anyone brought up Archie Miller?
He would be a great hire, but I just don't see it happening.
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If they do fire Lavin, my guess is it will come down to 3 coaches: Tim Cluess, Dan Hurley, or Bobby Hurley
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If they do fire Lavin, my guess is it will come down to 3 coaches: Tim Cluess, Dan Hurley, or Bobby Hurley
Yup, that's the scary part IMO. I guess they could do good things but to me each is a risk.
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If they do fire Lavin, my guess is it will come down to 3 coaches: Tim Cluess, Dan Hurley, or Bobby Hurley
Yup, that's the scary part IMO. I guess they could do good things but to me each is a risk.
I'd rather have Lavin. Those three would permanently cement us to where I think we are already...somewhere between an overachieving mid-major and a woefully underachieving second tier high major.
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How the hell can we justify Cluess? He is great for Iona because Grasso delivers far, far superior talent to pretty much everyone else in that conference. But I don't see how his no-defense philosophy will work against better competition. And the type of talent level he brings to St. John's is not going to dwarf other BE schools, like it does with the guys he brings to Iona.
I know Cluess has won pretty much everywhere he's been, and that is a big plus in my book, but I just don't see it working out here.
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Who would have thought that w all our highly ranked recruits, Lavins lone NCAA appearance would be w Norms players.
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If they do fire Lavin, my guess is it will come down to 3 coaches: Tim Cluess, Dan Hurley, or Bobby Hurley
If that is the list of coaches to choose from then we might as well keep Lavin. We need a coach that has a national reach. NYC kids have and will continue to go outside of NY to play basketball. That has always been the case with a few exceptions. Norm did everything he could and at the end of the day NYC coaches sent their top kids elsewhere. Lavin doesn't have to rely on a NYC pipeline that in essence has been a pipedream. I'm open for a change, but we need to stop the marry go round. Stop rolling the dice and bring in a proven commodity if a change is to be made.
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St. John's should contact the agent for Pitt Coach Jamie Dixon and inquire whether he would like to move his gig to Jamaica.
I am hearing that Dix is feeling irrelevant in the ACC and he may consider move to a program(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png) he believes will make him relevant. Pitt won't make the ACC this season and its long term future ain't rosy. Dix is currently receiving $2.4/ year which is in the neighborhood that Lavin is being paid.
There is no reason why St. John's doesn't call Dix's agent to determine whether there is interest.
The All Carolina Cabal has a way of doing that to teams. I'm glad UMD left. You could be right. I don't see Pitt ever being in the top 3 save for every 5 years or so if they're lucky.
Dixon has done what he's done with lesser talent than the top tier of the ACC has. I enjoyed reading the article on how he is so meticulous with details in running practices and is on top of many nuances of the game.
I'd definitely call if it comes to it this March....
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If they do fire Lavin, my guess is it will come down to 3 coaches: Tim Cluess, Dan Hurley, or Bobby Hurley
If that is the list of coaches to choose from then we might as well keep Lavin. We need a coach that has a national reach. NYC kids have and will continue to go outside of NY to play basketball. That has always been the case with a few exceptions. Norm did everything he could and at the end of the day NYC coaches sent their top kids elsewhere. Lavin doesn't have to rely on a NYC pipeline that in essence has been a pipedream. I'm open for a change, but we need to stop the marry go round. Stop rolling the dice and bring in a proven commodity if a change is to be made.
There are about 5-10 proven commodities in college coaching. We're not getting one of them. You get the guy who you think has the best qualities, and then you give him the tools to succeed.
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St. John's should contact the agent for Pitt Coach Jamie Dixon and inquire whether he would like to move his gig to Jamaica.
I am hearing that Dix is feeling irrelevant in the ACC and he may consider move to a program(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png) he believes will make him relevant. Pitt won't make the ACC this season and its long term future ain't rosy. Dix is currently receiving $2.4/ year which is in the neighborhood that Lavin is being paid.
There is no reason why St. John's doesn't call Dix's agent to determine whether there is interest.
The All Carolina Cabal has a way of doing that to teams. I'm glad UMD left. You could be right. I don't see Pitt ever being in the top 3 save for every 5 years or so if they're lucky.
Dixon has done what he's done with lesser talent than the top tier of the ACC has. I enjoyed reading the article on how he is so meticulous with details in running practices and is on top of many nuances of the game.
I'd definitely call if it comes to it this March....
And if it's March Dixon will certainly be free, having once again lost in the first round of the NCAA tournament.
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If they do fire Lavin, my guess is it will come down to 3 coaches: Tim Cluess, Dan Hurley, or Bobby Hurley
If that is the list of coaches to choose from then we might as well keep Lavin. We need a coach that has a national reach. NYC kids have and will continue(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png) to go outside of NY to play basketball. That has always been the case with a few exceptions. Norm did everything he could and at the end of the day NYC coaches sent their top kids elsewhere. Lavin doesn't have to rely on a NYC pipeline that in essence has been a pipedream. I'm open for a change, but we need to stop the marry go round. Stop rolling the dice and bring in a proven commodity if a change is to be made.
There are about 5-10 proven commodities in college coaching. We're not getting one of them. You get the guy who you think has the best qualities, and then you give him the tools to succeed.
If that's the case, we should at least checking in on Greg Marshall. Even though he's at 1.6-1.7 under his current extension, his buyout is only 500k. Maybe he is simply happy at Wichita in a Mark Few kind of way, but I would check anyway.
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If they do fire Lavin, my guess is it will come down to 3 coaches: Tim Cluess, Dan Hurley, or Bobby Hurley
Yup, that's the scary part IMO. I guess they could do good things but to me each is a risk.
I'd rather have Lavin. Those three would permanently cement us to where I think we are already...somewhere between an overachieving mid-major and a woefully underachieving second tier high major.
This is the exact rationale St. John's used when they refused to hire Bob McKillop multiple times
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If they do fire Lavin, my guess is it will come down to 3 coaches: Tim Cluess, Dan Hurley, or Bobby Hurley
If that is the list of coaches to choose from then we might as well keep Lavin. We need a coach that has a national reach. NYC kids have and will continue to go outside of NY to play basketball. That has always been the case with a few exceptions. Norm did everything he could and at the end of the day NYC coaches sent their top kids elsewhere. Lavin doesn't have to rely on a NYC pipeline that in essence has been a pipedream. I'm open for a change, but we need to stop the marry go round. Stop rolling the dice and bring in a proven commodity if a change is to be made.
Might as well keep Lavin? This is going to be the 4th straight year he can't even crack the NCAA Tournament. Are you really telling me that those guys couldn't do any better?
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If your car dies do you spend time thinking about all the potential faults of your new car? If a relationship is over do you start wondering about how crappy the next relationship is? If your job sucks do you start imagining how awful your new job will be? Lavin is finished here. Next year will even be worse. At this point I really do think it will be mutual. I think he knows he can't get the program over the hump and I honestly think he stopped trying, Time to move on regardless of who is on deck!
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If they do fire Lavin, my guess is it will come down to 3 coaches: Tim Cluess, Dan Hurley, or Bobby Hurley
If that is the list of coaches to choose from then we might as well keep Lavin. We need a coach that has a national reach. NYC kids have and will continue to go outside of NY to play basketball. That has always been the case with a few exceptions. Norm did everything he could and at the end of the day NYC coaches sent their top kids elsewhere. Lavin doesn't have to rely on a NYC pipeline that in essence has been a pipedream. I'm open for a change, but we need to stop the marry go round. Stop rolling the dice and bring in a proven commodity if a change is to be made.
Might as well keep Lavin? This is going to be the 4th straight year he can't even crack the NCAA Tournament. Are you really telling me that those guys couldn't do any better?
Who knows? They might do better but none of them are a guaranteed success.
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If your car dies do you spend time thinking about all the potential faults of your new car? If a relationship is over do you start wondering about how crappy the next relationship is? If your job sucks do you start imagining how awful your new job will be? Lavin is finished here. Next year will even be worse. At this point I really do think it will be mutual. I think he knows he can't get the program over the hump and I honestly think he stopped trying, Time to move on regardless of who is on deck!
If your boss is okay, is there a guarantee that your next boss isn't worse? If your girlfriend is okay, is there a guarantee that if you dump her your next gf will be better? It's probably time for a change but it could get a lot worse!
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St. John's should contact the agent for Pitt Coach Jamie Dixon and inquire whether he would like to move his gig to Jamaica.
I am hearing that Dix is feeling irrelevant in the ACC and he may consider move to a program(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png)(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png)(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png) he believes will make him relevant. Pitt won't make the ACC this season and its long term future ain't rosy. Dix is currently receiving $2.4/ year which is in the neighborhood that Lavin is being paid.
There is no reason why St. John's doesn't call Dix's agent to determine whether there is interest(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png)(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png).
The All Carolina Cabal has a way of doing that to teams. I'm glad UMD left. You could be right. I don't see Pitt ever being in the top 3 save(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png)(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png) for every 5 years or so if they're lucky.
Dixon has done what he's done with lesser talent than the top tier of the ACC has. I enjoyed reading the article on how he is so meticulous with details in running practices and is on top of many nuances of the game.
I'd definitely call if it comes to it this March....
And if it's March Dixon will certainly be free, having once again lost in the first round of the NCAA tournament.
The two 1st round losses must have damaged your psyche:
1 Elite Eight, 1 Sweet Sixteen, 5 (real - I don't include play-in bs) 2nd Rounds, 2 1st Rounds, 1 non-appearance.
Overall - Avg - 25-8, 128-66 Overall Conference
Sign me up!
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If your car dies do you spend time thinking about all the potential faults of your new car? If a relationship is over do you start wondering about how crappy the next relationship is? If your job sucks do you start imagining how awful your new job will be? Lavin is finished here. Next year will even be worse. At this point I really do think it will be mutual. I think he knows he can't get the program over the hump and I honestly think he stopped trying, Time to move on regardless of who is on deck!
If your boss is okay, is there a guarantee that your next boss isn't worse? If your girlfriend is okay, is there a guarantee that if you dump her your next gf will be better? It's probably time for a change but it could get a lot worse!
That doesn't apply to sports and competition. Anyone in charge with a brain doesn't wonder if there's anybody better out there before making a change. They know in their heart of hearts that the person currently in charge is not getting the job done..period! End of story!
They make a change because they believe someone else can come in and lead their team to be more competitive and more wins.
However in this example, I'm assuming that the person on top who makes these decisions has a clue what they're talking about (Monasch, the school president).
I don't believe this AD knows what it takes to build a big time college basketball program. I think he feels like if SJU is a good little local team and generates a little buzz that's ok. If that's what this AD wants then he should go to Fordham or Manhattan where that's very acceptable and he'd be good for.
Yet not at St. John's which at one time was a marquee hoops school. Noone in their right mind thinks anything is marquee about the hoops being played by this team.
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Last night was not the last straw for me because they still have a whole month of games. But if they don't win the BET (which they probably will need to do to get a berth, unless they go undefeated here on out lol) they should fire him.
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Why hasn't anyone brought up Archie Miller?
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Miller has been brought up multiple times
Yup, I bought him up a few pages back. He would be the #1 on my list of guys that should take a serious run at, even though he will most likely turn us down at the end of the day. His next job will probably be in the ACC or Big 10
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If your car dies do you spend time thinking about all the potential faults of your new car? If a relationship is over do you start wondering about how crappy the next relationship is? If your job sucks do you start imagining how awful your new job will be? Lavin is finished here. Next year will even be worse. At this point I really do think it will be mutual. I think he knows he can't get the program over the hump and I honestly think he stopped trying, Time to move on regardless of who is on deck!
If your boss is okay, is there a guarantee that your next boss isn't worse? If your girlfriend is okay, is there a guarantee that if you dump her your next gf will be better? It's probably time for a change but it could get a lot worse!
I like most of us can only go by what we see. Me, I think to many things went the wrong way to bring him back. I have a hard time believing coach Steve gave his all, but I could be dead wrong. The school might feel he busted hump both regarding the team and the school.. He might have just missed on a few players who could have made a big difference. He might do stuff for the school that I didn't even know was part of the job. If he did work hard and was liked he might be asked to make changes on the staff. Really, do I have the right info? I think he left this team naked and in a ditch, so I don't think he should hold the job. If the ADM. not happy, he's out. Does anyone on the board both know and can say what the people who count think of him?
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If your car dies do you spend time thinking about all the potential faults of your new car? If a relationship is over do you start wondering about how crappy the next relationship is? If your job sucks do you start imagining how awful your new job will be? Lavin is finished here. Next year will even be worse. At this point I really do think it will be mutual. I think he knows he can't get the program over the hump and I honestly think he stopped trying, Time to move on regardless of who is on deck!
If your boss is okay, is there a guarantee that your next boss isn't worse? If your girlfriend is okay, is there a guarantee that if you dump her your next gf will be better? It's probably time for a change but it could get a lot worse!
I like most of us can only go by what we see. Me, I think to many things went the wrong way to bring him back. I have a hard time believing coach Steve gave his all, but I could be dead wrong. The school might feel he busted hump both regarding the team and the school.. He might have just missed on a few players who could have made a big difference. He might do stuff for the school that I didn't even know was part of the job. If he did work hard and was liked he might be asked to make changes on the staff. Really, do I have the right info? I think he left this team naked and in a ditch, so I don't think he should hold the job. If the ADM. not happy, he's out. Does anyone on the board both know and can say what the people who count think of him?
Administration is not a fan. He's out of here
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If your car dies do you spend time thinking about all the potential faults of your new car? If a relationship is over do you start wondering about how crappy the next relationship is? If your job sucks do you start imagining how awful your new job will be? Lavin is finished here. Next year will even be worse. At this point I really do think it will be mutual. I think he knows he can't get the program over the hump and I honestly think he stopped trying, Time to move on regardless of who is on deck!
If your boss is okay, is there a guarantee that your next boss isn't worse? If your girlfriend is okay, is there a guarantee that if you dump her your next gf will be better? It's probably time for a change but it could get a lot worse!
Norm's last team made NIT which is basically what we have been under Lavin. Throw out his best and worse teams and we are a NIT program. I am tired of Lavin and would risk whatever his replacement might bring
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St. John's should contact the agent for Pitt Coach Jamie Dixon and inquire whether he would like to move his gig to Jamaica.
I am hearing that Dix is feeling irrelevant in the ACC and he may consider move to a program(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png)(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png)(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png) he believes will make him relevant. Pitt won't make the ACC this season and its long term future ain't rosy. Dix is currently receiving $2.4/ year which is in the neighborhood that Lavin is being paid.
There is no reason why St. John's doesn't call Dix's agent to determine whether there is interest(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png)(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png).
The All Carolina Cabal has a way of doing that to teams. I'm glad UMD left. You could be right. I don't see Pitt ever being in the top 3 save(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png)(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png) for every 5 years or so if they're lucky.
Dixon has done what he's done with lesser talent than the top tier of the ACC has. I enjoyed reading the article on how he is so meticulous with details in running practices and is on top of many nuances of the game.
I'd definitely call if it comes to it this March....
And if it's March Dixon will certainly be free, having once again lost in the first round of the NCAA tournament.
The two 1st round losses must have damaged your psyche:
1 Elite Eight, 1 Sweet Sixteen, 5 (real - I don't include play-in bs) 2nd Rounds, 2 1st Rounds, 1 non-appearance.
Overall - Avg - 25-8, 128-66 Overall Conference
Sign me up!
And how do those results compare to his rank and seeding? If there's been a team that's underperformed in the tournament worse than Pitt, I don't know what it is. Other than SJU obviously.
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St. John's should contact the agent for Pitt Coach Jamie Dixon and inquire whether he would like to move his gig to Jamaica.
I am hearing that Dix is feeling irrelevant in the ACC and he may consider move to a program(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png)(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png)(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png) he believes will make him relevant. Pitt won't make the ACC this season and its long term future ain't rosy. Dix is currently receiving $2.4/ year which is in the neighborhood that Lavin is being paid.
There is no reason why St. John's doesn't call Dix's agent to determine whether there is interest(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png)(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png).
The All Carolina Cabal has a way of doing that to teams. I'm glad UMD left. You could be right. I don't see Pitt ever being in the top 3 save(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png)(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png) for every 5 years or so if they're lucky.
Dixon has done what he's done with lesser talent than the top tier of the ACC has. I enjoyed reading the article on how he is so meticulous with details in running practices and is on top of many nuances of the game.
I'd definitely call if it comes to it this March....
And if it's March Dixon will certainly be free, having once again lost in the first round of the NCAA tournament.
The two 1st round losses must have damaged your psyche:
1 Elite Eight, 1 Sweet Sixteen, 5 (real - I don't include play-in bs) 2nd Rounds, 2 1st Rounds, 1 non-appearance.
Overall - Avg - 25-8, 128-66 Overall Conference
Sign me up!
And how do those results compare to his rank and seeding? If there's been a team that's underperformed in the tournament worse than Pitt, I don't know what it is. Other than SJU obviously.
Agreed. No thanks on Dixon. I think they have to aim big(with some help from the $$ people) or some young coach on the fast track which is more affordable. St Johns can't afford the current staff
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I hope we Fire Monasch (the only one who will miss him is the Softball Coach) and bring in Tim Pernetti.
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So Baldi you are saying either a guy like Billy D (who we are not getting) or one of the following: Danny Hurley, Archie Miller, and Masiello (no Pitino Jr.)
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St. John's should contact the agent for Pitt Coach Jamie Dixon and inquire whether he would like to move his gig to Jamaica.
I am hearing that Dix is feeling irrelevant in the ACC and he may consider move to a program(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png)(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png)(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png) he believes will make him relevant. Pitt won't make the ACC this season and its long term future ain't rosy. Dix is currently receiving $2.4/ year which is in the neighborhood that Lavin is being paid.
There is no reason why St. John's doesn't call Dix's agent to determine whether there is interest(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png)(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png).
The All Carolina Cabal has a way of doing that to teams. I'm glad UMD left. You could be right. I don't see Pitt ever being in the top 3 save(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png)(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png) for every 5 years or so if they're lucky.
Dixon has done what he's done with lesser talent than the top tier of the ACC has. I enjoyed reading the article on how he is so meticulous with details in running practices and is on top of many nuances of the game.
I'd definitely call if it comes to it this March....
And if it's March Dixon will certainly be free, having once again lost in the first round of the NCAA tournament.
The two 1st round losses must have damaged your psyche:
1 Elite Eight, 1 Sweet Sixteen, 5 (real - I don't include play-in bs) 2nd Rounds, 2 1st Rounds, 1 non-appearance.
Overall - Avg - 25-8, 128-66 Overall Conference
Sign me up!
And how do those results compare to his rank and seeding? If there's been a team that's underperformed in the tournament worse than Pitt, I don't know what it is. Other than SJU obviously.
Georgetown probably is the other team who has underperformed worst than Pitt.
The thing is these same folks who are clamoring for a new head coach would rip Dixon to threads, if he performed similarly here, per his high seeding.
The folks who are talking about Cluess and the Hurley brothers.... Definitely, not Cluess, and I'm not so sure about the Hurley's, either.
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So Baldi you are saying either a guy like Billy D (who we are not getting) or one of the following: Danny Hurley, Archie Miller, and Masiello (no Pitino Jr.)
Yes. I think Mas is out unfortunately (for outside reasons)
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Gun to my head, next coach is Danny Hurley
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St. John's should contact the agent for Pitt Coach Jamie Dixon and inquire whether he would like to move his gig to Jamaica.
I am hearing that Dix is feeling irrelevant in the ACC and he may consider move to a program(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png)(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png)(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png) he believes will make him relevant. Pitt won't make the ACC this season and its long term future ain't rosy. Dix is currently receiving $2.4/ year which is in the neighborhood that Lavin is being paid.
There is no reason why St. John's doesn't call Dix's agent to determine whether there is interest(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png)(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png).
The All Carolina Cabal has a way of doing that to teams. I'm glad UMD left. You could be right. I don't see Pitt ever being in the top 3 save(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png)(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png) for every 5 years or so if they're lucky.
Dixon has done what he's done with lesser talent than the top tier of the ACC has. I enjoyed reading the article on how he is so meticulous with details in running practices and is on top of many nuances of the game.
I'd definitely call if it comes to it this March....
And if it's March Dixon will certainly be free, having once again lost in the first round of the NCAA tournament.
The two 1st round losses must have damaged your psyche:
1 Elite Eight, 1 Sweet Sixteen, 5 (real - I don't include play-in bs) 2nd Rounds, 2 1st Rounds, 1 non-appearance.
Overall - Avg - 25-8, 128-66 Overall Conference
Sign me up!
And how do those results compare to his rank and seeding? If there's been a team that's underperformed in the tournament worse than Pitt, I don't know what it is. Other than SJU obviously.
Georgetown probably is the other team who has underperformed worst than Pitt.
The thing is these same folks who are clamoring for a new head coach would rip Dixon to threads, if he performed similarly here, per his high seeding.
The folks who are talking about Cluess and the Hurley brothers.... Definitely, not Cluess, and I'm not so sure about the Hurley's, either.
you beat me to it dink
since they made the Final 4:
2008 lost as a 2 seed to # 10 Davidson
2010 lost to Ohio as a 3 vs 14 seed
2011 lost to VCU in a 6/11 game
2012 NC State (11) beats 3 GTown
2013 Florida Gulf as a 15 seed beats GTown
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So Baldi you are saying either a guy like Billy D (who we are not getting) or one of the following: Danny Hurley, Archie Miller, and Masiello (no Pitino Jr.)
Why is little Richard eliminated from the question?
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So Baldi you are saying either a guy like Billy D (who we are not getting) or one of the following: Danny Hurley, Archie Miller, and Masiello (no Pitino Jr.)
Why is little Richard eliminated from the question?
I'd love him here, but i'd consider SJU a step down from Minny.
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I think we're paying Gene Keady about what Richard Pitino is making at Minnesota.
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I think we're paying Gene Keady about what Richard Pitino is making at Minnesota.
Not true.
http://deadspin.com/heres-richard-pitinos-minnesota-contract-complete-wi-470877141
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I hope we Fire Monasch (the only one who will miss him is the Softball Coach) and bring in Tim Pernetti.
Too late. Tim got a new job today.
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I think we're paying Gene Keady about what Richard Pitino is making at Minnesota.
As Fun pointed out not true.
But Keady might be making more than someone like Massielo.
Remember we tried to get Slice to leave a HC job at Manhattan to be an SJU asst where he would get paid more.
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I hope we Fire Monasch (the only one who will miss him is the Softball Coach) and bring in Tim Pernetti.
I saw that in the Post with IMG, I could see him jumping if our position was open.
Too late. Tim got a new job today.
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I hope we Fire Monasch (the only one who will miss him is the Softball Coach) and bring in Tim Pernetti.
I saw that in the Post with IMG, I could see him jumping if our position was open.
Too late. Tim got a new job today.
No way. President of IMG is ridiculously big job. He's pretty much controlling 90 schools businesses.
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Think like one of his mentors John Wooden, Lavin fancies himself a teacher more than a coach. Difference is unlike Wooden I don't think Steve has a burning desire to win. Oh yeah, another difference is the winning. Monasch will probably want to leave too as recent budget cuts have terminated his tanning expense account.
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While pondering around old UCLA articles of Lavin, I stumbled on the SB nation fan forum for the UCLA Bruins and an article called "Why We Hate Steve Lavin." This was written in 2011 when Lavin was making his return to Westwood. Its quite funny how what we see now truly parallels what happened at UCLA. From the terrible in-game coaching to his "we're headed in the right direction" press conferences. Not a bad article.
Link Here: http://www.bruinsnation.com/2011/2/4/1973417/why-we-hate-steve-lavin
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While pondering around old UCLA articles of Lavin, I stumbled on the SB nation fan forum for the UCLA Bruins and an article called "Why We Hate Steve Lavin." This was written in 2011 when Lavin was making his return to Westwood. Its quite funny how what we see now truly parallels what happened at UCLA. From the terrible in-game coaching to his "we're headed in the right direction" press conferences. Not a bad article.
Link Here: http://www.bruinsnation.com/2011/2/4/1973417/why-we-hate-steve-lavin (http://www.bruinsnation.com/2011/2/4/1973417/why-we-hate-steve-lavin)
A few things were fairly accurate, but when I tried to write a factual comment in response to some perceptions I felt were inaccurate, I was threatened with being banned.
Lavin's tougher than that board(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png) - bunch of thin skinned weaklings who whine all the time. Our players are in a fight for their tourney lives. I am only worried about this season. Carpe Diem...
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A couple of more weeks
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A couple of more weeks
Can you give it a rest?
You've been wrong about everything for years.
It's so odd how you stood behind Norm Roberts without ever wavering when he was clearly an awful head coach.
You've been after Lavin since the beginning.
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A couple of more weeks
Can you give it a rest?
You've been wrong about everything for years.
It's so odd how you stood behind Norm Roberts without ever wavering when he was clearly an awful head coach.
You've been after Lavin since the beginning.
+1
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A couple of more weeks
Can you give it a rest?
You've been wrong about everything for years.
It's so odd how you stood behind Norm Roberts without ever wavering when he was clearly an awful head coach.
You've been after Lavin since the beginning.
I liked the Lavin hire. But I also think Norm could've made the NCAA with his seniors, something the current coach won't be able to do
I've been spot on for years. Some just don't open their eyes
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If anybody thinks that Lavin should be the coach of this program after this season they should be checked into Creedmoor
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A couple of more weeks
Can you give it a rest?
You've been wrong about everything for years.
It's so odd how you stood behind Norm Roberts without ever wavering when he was clearly an awful head coach.
You've been after Lavin since the beginning.
Norm could've made the NCAA with his seniors, something the current coach won't be able to do
If you really believe that, than you don't remember the Norm years that well. It was the darkest and lowest point in the history of St. John's. There is no way Norm would have won with those kids. He was a loser. 15-65 in conference at Queens College and 32-70 at St. John's. They started out 2-8 in the Big East that year and finished 6-12!!!!!
Norm did nothing with them as juniors. He had also had the highest ranked recruit of his tenure, Anthony Mason, as a 5th year senior. He didn't even see the value of his two best players, Hardy and Brownlee.
You can say Lavin did the "same thing with juniors" last year, but it isn't true. First, he went 10-8 in conference. Next, he started a freshman POINT GUARD, his second-leading scorer was a sophomore, and his only center was a sophomore. Norm had 10 juniors and a 5th year senior that started for four seasons and they sucked.
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A couple of more weeks
Can you give it a rest?
You've been wrong about everything for years.
It's so odd how you stood behind Norm Roberts without ever wavering when he was clearly an awful head coach.
You've been after Lavin since the beginning.
Norm could've made the NCAA with his seniors, something the current coach won't be able to do
If you really believe that, than you don't remember the Norm years that well. It was the darkest and lowest point in the history of St. John's. There is no way Norm would have won with those kids. He was a loser. 15-65 in conference at Queens College and 32-70 at St. John's. They started out 2-8 in the Big East that year and finished 6-12!!!!!
Norm did nothing with them as juniors. He had also had the highest ranked recruit of his tenure, Anthony Mason, as a 5th year senior. He didn't even see the value of his two best players, Hardy and Brownlee.
You can say Lavin did the "same thing with juniors" last year, but it isn't true. First, he went 10-8 in conference. Next, he started a freshman POINT GUARD, his second-leading scorer was a sophomore, and his only center was a sophomore. Norm had 10 juniors and a 5th year senior that started for four seasons and they sucked.
That is the bar now, Norm? Lavin is way better than Norm, but if this year progresses at the same rate, I have lavin behind Jarvis and Fran and really hasn't got much on Mahoney.
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A couple of more weeks
Can you give it a rest?
You've been wrong about everything for years.
It's so odd how you stood behind Norm Roberts without ever wavering when he was clearly an awful head coach.
You've been after Lavin since the beginning.
Norm could've made the NCAA with his seniors, something the current coach won't be able to do
If you really believe that, than you don't remember the Norm years that well. It was the darkest and lowest point in the history of St. John's. There is no way Norm would have won with those kids. He was a loser. 15-65 in conference at Queens College and 32-70 at St. John's. They started out 2-8 in the Big East that year and finished 6-12!!!!!
Norm did nothing with them as juniors. He had also had the highest ranked recruit of his tenure, Anthony Mason, as a 5th year senior. He didn't even see the value of his two best players, Hardy and Brownlee.
You can say Lavin did the "same thing with juniors" last year, but it isn't true. First, he went 10-8 in conference. Next, he started a freshman POINT GUARD, his second-leading scorer was a sophomore, and his only center was a sophomore. Norm had 10 juniors and a 5th year senior that started for four seasons and they sucked.
Norm = NITs
Lavin = NITs
The program is not in a much better spot now than it was when Norm was the head man
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Can we not bring up the Norm years in this debate please, that's over and done with and it was horrible. This game was an absolute disaster. These kids are just so undisciplined and whether it's the way they are coached or jsut there personalities Lavin is still at fault because he recruited them. We are on year 5 and we still have no offensive sets and are only 6 deep, that's a huge issue. I really liked the Lavin hire and I think although he has been a big disappointment that he has helped grow the brand and run a pretty clean program. If that's enough for you then fine but expectations are consistent ncaa appearances and consistently top 3 in the conference. I think it's time for a change, want a coach and not just a salesman this time around.
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Can we not bring up the Norm years in this debate please, that's over and done with and it was horrible. This game was an absolute disaster. These kids are just so undisciplined and whether it's the way they are coached or jsut there personalities Lavin is still at fault because he recruited them. We are on year 5 and we still have no offensive sets and are only 6 deep, that's a huge issue. I really liked the Lavin hire and I think although he has been a big disappointment that he has helped grow the brand and run a pretty clean program. If that's enough for you then fine but expectations are consistent ncaa appearances and consistently top 3 in the conference. I think it's time for a change, want a coach and not just a salesman this time around.
The program hasn't been entirely clean during the Lavin error
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A couple of more weeks
Can you give it a rest?
You've been wrong about everything for years.
It's so odd how you stood behind Norm Roberts without ever wavering when he was clearly an awful head coach.
You've been after Lavin since the beginning.
I liked the Lavin hire. But I also think Norm could've made the NCAA with his seniors, something the current coach won't be able to do
I've been spot on for years. Some just don't open their eyes
Norm never showed anything that should lead us to believe that he could have done that. He actually added talented players his last season at St.John's. He was just unable to recognize it.
Lavin, barring a miracle run, he failed as well, but no coach at St.John's has been as clueless as Norm Roberts.
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A couple of more weeks
Can you give it a rest?
You've been wrong about everything for years.
It's so odd how you stood behind Norm Roberts without ever wavering when he was clearly an awful head coach.
You've been after Lavin since the beginning.
Norm could've made the NCAA with his seniors, something the current coach won't be able to do
If you really believe that, than you don't remember the Norm years that well. It was the darkest and lowest point in the history of St. John's. There is no way Norm would have won with those kids. He was a loser. 15-65 in conference at Queens College and 32-70 at St. John's. They started out 2-8 in the Big East that year and finished 6-12!!!!!
Norm did nothing with them as juniors. He had also had the highest ranked recruit of his tenure, Anthony Mason, as a 5th year senior. He didn't even see the value of his two best players, Hardy and Brownlee.
You can say Lavin did the "same thing with juniors" last year, but it isn't true. First, he went 10-8 in conference. Next, he started a freshman POINT GUARD, his second-leading scorer was a sophomore, and his only center was a sophomore. Norm had 10 juniors and a 5th year senior that started for four seasons and they sucked.
Darkest and lowest in St Johns history? That would go to Jarvis, not Norm. Roberts brought us out of hell with steady improvement and kids we could actually enjoy rooting for. Lavin won with Norms players, than threw the team back into purgatory where we remain. I feel like I need a shower after watching his teams play, disgusted
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Darkest and lowest in St Johns history? That would go to Jarvis, not Norm. Roberts brought us out of hell with steady improvement and kids we could actually enjoy rooting for. Lavin won with Norms players, than threw the team back into purgatory where we remain. I feel like I need a shower after watching his teams play, disgusted
what was the "darkest & lowest moment" under Jarvis..?
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If you really believe that, than you don't remember the Norm years that well. They started out 2-8 in the Big East that year and finished 6-12!!!!!
You can say Lavin did the "same thing with juniors" last year, but it isn't true. First, he went 10-8 in conference.
If you compare the 6-12 vs 10-8 you should give all the dates:
2009-10: 6-12. Eight Big East teams went to the NCAA Tournament. 5 ranked teams.
2013-14: 10-8. Four Big East teams went to the NCAA Tournament. 2 ranked teams.
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Darkest and lowest in St Johns history? That would go to Jarvis, not Norm. Roberts brought us out of hell with steady improvement and kids we could actually enjoy rooting for. Lavin won with Norms players, than threw the team back into purgatory where we remain. I feel like I need a shower after watching his teams play, disgusted
what was the "darkest & lowest moment" under Jarvis..?
His chats with WFAN and the Hatten and Shaw cheech and chong impersonation probably set the downward spiral in motion. Another coach who left the place worse than when he got here
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If a couple of guys smoking a spliff in a car is the " darkest moment" then things aren't that bad. Hatten was already out of school when that occurred I think.
Lowest point was the Pitt Scandal. Hands down
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If a couple of guys smoking a spliff in a car is the " darkest moment" then things aren't that bad. Hatten was already out of school when that occurred I think.
Lowest point was the Pitt Scandal. Hands down
Jarvis was gone before Pitt, but they were his players. Paying that 3rd string center didn't help things
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Agree that Jarvis was indirectly responsible for Pitt. That was def the all time low point.
This stuff now can be fixed. I actually think the AD needs to be replaced first, then a new Ad can get his man. Monasch will never get the right the guy.
Is it true he is sleeping with ( dating?) a staff member
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Agree that Jarvis was indirectly responsible for Pitt. That was def the all time low point.
This stuff now can be fixed. I actually think the AD needs to be replaced first, then a new Ad can get his man. Monasch will never get the right the guy.
Is it true he is sleeping with ( dating?) a staff member
Exactly, AD to go first
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Can we not bring up the Norm years in this debate please, that's over and done with and it was horrible. This game was an absolute disaster. These kids are just so undisciplined and whether it's the way they are coached or jsut there personalities Lavin is still at fault because he recruited them. We are on year 5 and we still have no offensive sets and are only 6 deep, that's a huge issue. I really liked the Lavin hire and I think although he has been a big disappointment that he has helped grow the brand and run a pretty clean program. If that's enough for you then fine but expectations are consistent ncaa appearances and consistently top 3 in the conference. I think it's time for a change, want a coach and not just a salesman this time around.
The program hasn't been entirely clean during the Lavin error
Hence why I said pretty clean, if you read the post. I know it was long so that's my fault. Overall agree with a lot of the guys AD goes then Lavin goes. If we are keeping Monasch then I have zero faith in him hiring a new coach. I used to deal with him a little bit while working at the University and I don't have much respect for the man at all.
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The best thing now is that we have a new university president who is not afraid to make changes that "upset the apple cart". He has been to basketball games, unlike his predecessor, and hopefully he will changes things beyond the academic environment. Change is good and we need it after this season. 4 straight seasons with the coach's selected players and without a trip to the NCAA's is not acceptable. The coach has brought this on himself.
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If a couple of guys smoking a spliff in a car is the " darkest moment" then things aren't that bad. Hatten was already out of school when that occurred I think.
Lowest point was the Pitt Scandal. Hands down
Hatten was already out of school when he and Shaw was caught token up. Shaw was still in school, but was removed from the team, afterwards.
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Darkest and lowest in St Johns history? That would go to Jarvis, not Norm. Roberts brought us out of hell with steady improvement and kids we could actually enjoy rooting for. Lavin won with Norms players, than threw the team back into purgatory where we remain. I feel like I need a shower after watching his teams play, disgusted
what was the "darkest & lowest moment" under Jarvis..?
"I know Grady didn't do this, so why should I suspend him?"
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If I told told you Lovett won't be eligible and Diallo is going to Kentucky....
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No need for this!
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If I told told you Lovett won't be eligible and Diallo is going to Kentucky....
Wouldn't surprise me. Would still take LoVett.
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If I told told you Lovett won't be eligible and Diallo is going to Kentucky....
love your optimism about our program.
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If I told told you Lovett won't be eligible and Diallo is going to Kentucky....
love your optimism about our program.
This is the truth
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If I told told you Lovett won't be eligible and Diallo is going to Kentucky....
love your optimism about our program.
This is the truth
It is, however, when i said **our** program, you were not included in that, never have been included in that, and never will be included in that.
distinct difference.
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If I told told you Lovett won't be eligible and Diallo is going to Kentucky....
If I told you there was a troll from a school no one has heard of in New Rochelle.
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If I told told you Lovett won't be eligible and Diallo is going to Kentucky....
If I told you there was a troll from a school no one has heard of in New Rochelle.
the board is turning on baldi quicker than the hall locker room on Willard....#ionaconnection
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look i think it would be more of a shock if diallo comes here than KU, i mean really look at the stability there. Lovett you roll the dice . plenty of spots to fill and maybe one of the euro guards
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Every loss people post on here negative stuff. Just wait until the end of the season. Lavin isn't getting fired with 5 games left. Let the season and the recruiting play out and then the leadership at the school will make a decision.
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If I told told you Lovett won't be eligible and Diallo is going to Kentucky....
love your optimism about our program.
This is the truth
The "truth" has been unearthed by Sherlock Baldi! These conclusions are based on his thorough and thoughtful review of all posts on SJU message boards so they must be accurate. ;)
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Why does the AD need to go? Baseball, women's. Basketball, soccer and Lacrosse very good. Men's basketball is not bad . Could be better. Attendance is up. I assume we are making plenty from fox sports. Why is it mentioned on here that the AD should be fired ?
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One loss after 3 straight wins and MB bumps this thread.... come on man... Let the season play out... Miss the tourney and get the pitchforks out.. This is nonsense. Lots of basketball yet to be played.
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If I told told you Lovett won't be eligible and Diallo is going to Kentucky....
Yesss!
It's a celebration...Baldi put the mush on Lovett qualifying and Diallo going to UK.
Thanks buddy.
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If I told told you Lovett won't be eligible and Diallo is going to Kentucky....
Yesss!
It's a celebration...Baldi put the mush on Lovett qualifying and Diallo going to UK.
Thanks buddy.
Jedi mind trick
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Why does the AD need to go? Baseball, women's. Basketball, soccer and Lacrosse very good. Men's basketball is not bad . Could be better. Attendance is up. I assume we are making plenty from fox sports. Why is it mentioned on here that the AD should be fired ?
Men's Basketball has been disfunctional, that is te driving force for Atheltics in the university. Something has to change. Also, the Presidebt may want to bring in one of his guys, and a new coach since Lavin contract is almost up.
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One loss after 3 straight wins and MB bumps this thread.... come on man... Let the season play out... Miss the tourney and get the pitchforks out.. This is nonsense. Lots of basketball yet to be played.
lets be fair to Baldi. He was also against Norm for most of his time here and started multiple threads and brought back to life multiple threads calling for Norm's head and to wish him well at his next stop while very correctly pointing out all of his deficiencies etc.
oh wait........... :)
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Tomorrow marks the 11 month anniversary of Lavin resigning. How's he doing at USC?
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The link is from the WSJ that talked about the new SJU Preisdent...I defiantly think he will be engaged more in basketball operations. Being a quant guy he is definitely into stats and numbers.http://www.wsj.com/articles/st-johns-moves-on-from-scandal-with-first-lay-president-1423878184
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One loss after 3 straight wins and MB bumps this thread.... come on man... Let the season play out... Miss the tourney and get the pitchforks out.. This is nonsense. Lots of basketball yet to be played.
100% agree with boo3. This has been an up and down season to say the least. But my viewpoint has been the same throughout. If they make the tournament, extend Lavin. If they don't, fire him.
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Baldi is exposing himself if he wasnt already exposed. Whether or not he's a st johns fan, he aint rooting for this st johns team. he's rooting for losses so lavin will go/he will be right.
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The link is from the WSJ that talked about the new SJU Preisdent...I defiantly think he will be engaged more in basketball operations. Being a quant guy he is definitely into stats and numbers.http://www.wsj.com/articles/st-johns-moves-on-from-scandal-with-first-lay-president-1423878184
can you post the article?
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Baldi is exposing himself if he wasnt already exposed. Whether or not he's a st johns fan, he aint rooting for this st johns team. he's rooting for losses so lavin will go/he will be right.
Sounds familiar, but no
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One loss after 3 straight wins and MB bumps this thread.... come on man... Let the season play out... Miss the tourney and get the pitchforks out.. This is nonsense. Lots of basketball yet to be played.
100% agree with boo3. This has been an up and down season to say the least. But my viewpoint has been the same throughout. If they make the tournament, extend Lavin. If they don't, fire him.
How the hell does he deserve an extension for just making the tournament this year? Making the tournament as a 10 seed and getting bounced by the 7 would be a failed season and a failed tenure by these seniors IMO
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All these "what ifs".. Just let it play out.. What if they get in and somehow win two games? Then he is a great coach and deserves one? IF they get in and lose a 1st rounder at the buzzer he should be fired? Makes no sense... Let the damn thing play out.
Brining in a Hurley or a Massielo next year isn't changing the program overnight.. If you think it will, you are lost...
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One loss after 3 straight wins and MB bumps this thread.... come on man... Let the season play out... Miss the tourney and get the pitchforks out.. This is nonsense. Lots of basketball yet to be played.
100% agree with boo3. This has been an up and down season to say the least. But my viewpoint has been the same throughout. If they make the tournament, extend Lavin. If they don't, fire him.
How the hell does he deserve an extension for just making the tournament this year? Making the tournament as a 10 seed and getting bounced by the 7 would be a failed season and a failed tenure by these seniors IMO
It's way too soon to discuss what we're gonna do in the tournament.
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One loss after 3 straight wins and MB bumps this thread.... come on man... Let the season play out... Miss the tourney and get the pitchforks out.. This is nonsense. Lots of basketball yet to be played.
100% agree with boo3. This has been an up and down season to say the least. But my viewpoint has been the same throughout. If they make the tournament, extend Lavin. If they don't, fire him.
How the hell does he deserve an extension for just making the tournament this year? Making the tournament as a 10 seed and getting bounced by the 7 would be a failed season and a failed tenure by these seniors IMO
It's way too soon to discuss what we're gonna do in the tournament.
I wasn't predicting anything. I was just asking how is just making the tournament considered a success with this team this year
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All these "what ifs".. Just let it play out.. What if they get in and somehow win two games? Then he is a great coach and deserves one? IF they get in and lose a 1st rounder at the buzzer he should be fired? Makes no sense... Let the damn thing play out.
Brining in a Hurley or a Massielo next year isn't changing the program overnight.. If you think it will, you are lost...
I agree with all of this.
Wait, let things play out. And the outcome of any single game shouldn't determine his fate.
Frankly, by now the administration should know whether they want him back or not. There's no litmus test here.
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I was just asking how is just making the tournament considered a success with this team this year
Because were St. John's, that's how. We've been to the tournament once in the last 13 years. Any time we crack the final 68 it's a break out the bubbly fire up the marching band event.
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I was just asking how is just making the tournament considered a success with this team this year
Because were St. John's, that's how. We've been to the tournament once in the last 13 years. Any time we crack the final 68 it's a break out the bubbly fire up the marching band event.
Perhaps that's part of the reason the reason we've been so mediocre this past. If mediocrity is accepted there's no motivation to become great
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I was just asking how is just making the tournament considered a success with this team this year
Because were St. John's, that's how. We've been to the tournament once in the last 13 years. Any time we crack the final 68 it's a break out the bubbly fire up the marching band event.
Perhaps that's part of the reason the reason we've been so mediocre this past. If mediocrity is accepted there's no motivation to become great
We haven't been mediocre. We've been bad. If we were to start making the tournament on even a semi-regular basis, than the fanbase might elevate their expectations to include an Ncaa win.
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The link is from the WSJ that talked about the new SJU Preisdent...I defiantly think he will be engaged more in basketball operations. Being a quant guy he is definitely into stats and numbers.http://www.wsj.com/articles/st-johns-moves-on-from-scandal-with-first-lay-president-1423878184
can you post the article?
If you good it you probably be able to pull up the whole article. That's what I did to read the whole thing.
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All these "what ifs".. Just let it play out.. What if they get in and somehow win two games? Then he is a great coach and deserves one? IF they get in and lose a 1st rounder at the buzzer he should be fired? Makes no sense... Let the damn thing play out.
Brining in a Hurley or a Massielo next year isn't changing the program overnight.. If you think it will, you are lost...
Couldn't agree more
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All these "what ifs".. Just let it play out.. What if they get in and somehow win two games? Then he is a great coach and deserves one? IF they get in and lose a 1st rounder at the buzzer he should be fired? Makes no sense... Let the damn thing play out.
Brining in a Hurley or a Massielo next year isn't changing the program overnight.. If you think it will, you are lost...
Couldn't agree more
Read Zach B's column in today's Post-Lavin thinks it is a positive that SJU fans are saying "get rid of the coach".
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All these "what ifs".. Just let it play out.. What if they get in and somehow win two games? Then he is a great coach and deserves one? IF they get in and lose a 1st rounder at the buzzer he should be fired? Makes no sense... Let the damn thing play out.
Brining in a Hurley or a Massielo next year isn't changing the program overnight.. If you think it will, you are lost...
Couldn't agree more
Read Zach B's column in today's Post-Lavin thinks it is a positive that SJU fans are saying "get rid of the coach".
I must've missed the "fire the coach" chants. What game did he hear them at?
Or, is Lavin reading the message boards, or hearing that some prominent alumni are no longer on his side..
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All these "what ifs".. Just let it play out.. What if they get in and somehow win two games? Then he is a great coach and deserves one? IF they get in and lose a 1st rounder at the buzzer he should be fired? Makes no sense... Let the damn thing play out.
Brining in a Hurley or a Massielo next year isn't changing the program overnight.. If you think it will, you are lost...
Couldn't agree more
Read Zach B's column in today's Post-Lavin thinks it is a positive that SJU fans are saying "get rid of the coach".
I must've missed the "fire the coach" chants. What game did he hear them at?
Or, is Lavin reading the message boards, or hearing that some prominent alumni are no longer on his side..
The funny thing is Lavin thinks its a sign that the program is now relevant (thanks to him in his mind) that the fans call for his head after a loss. He must not have heard the Fire Norm chants from Bristol
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He is an eternal optimist...Maybe if this whole coaching thing doesn't work out he can go into politics. He is a spin master...
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All these "what ifs".. Just let it play out.. What if they get in and somehow win two games? Then he is a great coach and deserves one? IF they get in and lose a 1st rounder at the buzzer he should be fired? Makes no sense... Let the damn thing play out.
Brining in a Hurley or a Massielo next year isn't changing the program overnight.. If you think it will, you are lost...
Couldn't agree more
Read Zach B's column in today's Post-Lavin thinks it is a positive that SJU fans are saying "get rid of the coach".
I must've missed the "fire the coach" chants. What game did he hear them at?
Or, is Lavin reading the message boards, or hearing that some prominent alumni are no longer on his side..
The funny thing is Lavin thinks its a sign that the program is now relevant (thanks to him in his mind) that the fans call for his head after a loss. He must not have heard the Fire Norm chants from Bristol
lmfao This guy cracks me up. Fans calling for his head is a positive thing. uhhh ok there.
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Coach Lavin, good luck with your St. John's team the next five or six years and good luck this year in March Madness!
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I find his personality annoying like most you. However the players seem to like him. To us Hammer to Rock is silly. The players believed in it.
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Coach Lavin, good luck with your St. John's team the next five or six years and good luck this year in March Madness!
Congratulations, many awards are still up for grabs, but without a doubt you are the Troll Of The Season.
Was there a reason to revive this thread? Of course not.
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Desco, we have a honest, or on my part, an honest disagreement. As anyone on this site knows, u irrationally hate Coach Lavin. I don't. I feel sorry for you. Fortunately, it's never too late to grow up.
I am sorry your hatred of the Coach for whatever reason gets in the way of you enjoying an enjoyable season. Where you get your sense of entitlement about what you have a right to expect as a fan is a wonder to me.
Please send me my plaque for troll of the year. And there was a reason: You owe Coach Lavin and his staff an apology.
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It's good to revisit the lies and distortions. Just look at the first post on this thread.
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I must've missed something, did Lavin get an extension?
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You missed lavin resigning as you said on this thread. You missed Jordan leaving. You missed diallo going to knetucky and on and on and on....even a broken jock is right twice a day.
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You missed lavin resigning as you said on this thread. You missed Jordan leaving. You missed diallo going to knetucky and on and on and on....even a broken jock is right twice a day.
Diallo signed here too?
And Jordan did leave, a few times.
Plenty of time to rehash all of this in the offseason.
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Rug!!!!!!!!!
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Baldi:
"Thanks Coach Lavin, good luck
« on: March 19, 2014, 06:04:13 PM »
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Hearing this is done deal. Time for both parties to move on. Get Massiello on the phone ASAP."
Baldi, just about one year since you misled us. You will be right...... some day....... he will resign....just not last year and highly unlikely this year......and Diallo is not going to Kentucky as of this moment....and Jordan did not quit the team and....and.....and.
And when desco gives me my award i promise to give it to its rightful owner.
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Baldi, if you werent trolling your obvious answer would be that he was gone but saved his ass with a run no one saw coming. If you were trolling, you'd be defensive.
You sound defensive...want to adjust?
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Baldi, if you werent trolling your obvious answer would be that he was gone but saved his ass with a run no one saw coming. If you were trolling, you'd be defensive.
You sound defensive...want to adjust?
And if I said that, someone would say why is this being discussed now on the verge of our first NCAA tournament in years. Kids don't deserve this, blah blah, blah.
There is nothing to adjust. There is no contract extension. Lavin has a lot of bridges to mend
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Pal, you said he was resigning one year ago....you said Rysheed was gone .....just the other day you said Diallo was gone to Kentucky....why do you lie and distort?
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Pal, you said he was resigning one year ago....you said Rysheed was gone .....just the other day you said Diallo was gone to Kentucky....why do you lie and distort?
Post what I hear, I don't make sht up.
And if you believe all the excuses for Jordan, that's on you
Diallo ruled out Kentucky?
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You said he was gone to KY.......you don't say you're hearing rumors...you say it's a fact.......ok I'm done with this and you for awhile...you're boring...get your attention somewhere else....
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You said he was gone to KY.......you don't say you're hearing rumors...you say it's a fact.......ok I'm done with this and you for awhile...you're boring...get your attention somewhere else....
What is the first word in the first post of this thread? I'll save you the trouble, it's " hearing"
Rug
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Rug!!!!!!!!
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If you ask me, Take it to pm, no one cares.
I for one enjoy Baldi's posts.
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If you ask me, Take it to pm, no one cares.
I for one enjoy Baldi's posts.
Agreed.
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Exact quote from Baldi was "If I told told you Lovett won't be eligible and Diallo is going to Kentucky...."
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Exact quote from Baldi was "If I told told you Lovett won't be eligible and Diallo is going to Kentucky...."
And...
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Q: In 25 words or less, sum up Coach Lavin.
Harrison: He changed my life. … I owe him a lot. I’ll probably talk to him every day for probably the rest of my life.
Branch: I would say he’s a very caring individual. He not only cares about your basketball life, but outside of basketball too. [He] cares about what do you want to do after basketball. I see he always communicates with his past players that played with him in the UCLA days.
Greene: Exactly what he said. This is like a family, it’s not like a regular basketball program, it’s something different. It’s because of him. He motivates you. I know how to win thanks to Coach Lavin just because how he is with us. Like Jamal said, he’s very caring. He takes care of us.
Ndiaye: He makes it like a family. He just cares for everybody.
Pointer: He cares more about what you’re gonna do after basketball: “What’s your fifth-year life plan?”
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I am hoping he coached yesterday's game without a game plan. Meaning their is a real plan and he wasn't showing it. He can't switch on every ball screen. Unlike other teams they are just as athletic just bigger then us. Big week coming . I am going Friday night. Expecting to see St. johns. Also not looking to get Embrassed. Earn you money coach. The only movie you should be watching this Sunday is providence and Villanova .
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Q: In 25 words or less, sum up Coach Lavin.
Harrison: He changed my life. … I owe him a lot. I’ll probably talk to him every day for probably the rest of my life.
Branch: I would say he’s a very caring individual. He not only cares about your basketball life, but outside of basketball too. [He] cares about what do you want to do after basketball. I see he always communicates with his past players that played with him in the UCLA days.
Greene: Exactly what he said. This is like a family, it’s not like a regular basketball program, it’s something different. It’s because of him. He motivates you. I know how to win thanks to Coach Lavin just because how he is with us. Like Jamal said, he’s very caring. He takes care of us.
Ndiaye: He makes it like a family. He just cares for everybody.
Pointer: He cares more about what you’re gonna do after basketball: “What’s your fifth-year life plan?”
In 25 words or less, tell me whether I look fat in these pants.
Harrison: Don't change your pants ... you look lovely.
Branch: I would say you look thin. Not only in those pants, but in all pants.
Greene: Exactly what he said, you look thin.
Pointer: In fact you could stand to gain a few pounds.
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We can win with six if everything goes right...can't with 4 against nine or so on the Number 4 team in the country.....over 40 minutes.
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if we win four games in tourney I am definitely eating at St. Elmos
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Q: In 25 words or less, sum up Coach Lavin.
Harrison: He changed my life. … I owe him a lot. I’ll probably talk to him every day for probably the rest of my life.
Branch: I would say he’s a very caring individual. He not only cares about your basketball life, but outside of basketball too. [He] cares about what do you want to do after basketball. I see he always communicates with his past players that played with him in the UCLA days.
Greene: Exactly what he said. This is like a family, it’s not like a regular basketball program, it’s something different. It’s because of him. He motivates you. I know how to win thanks to Coach Lavin just because how he is with us. Like Jamal said, he’s very caring. He takes care of us.
Ndiaye: He makes it like a family. He just cares for everybody.
Pointer: He cares more about what you’re gonna do after basketball: “What’s your fifth-year life plan?”
Why post something meaningful from the guys who count.
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I'm and they r just shills for Coach lavin
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I am hoping he coached yesterday's game without a game plan. Meaning their is a real plan and he wasn't showing it. He can't switch on every ball screen. Unlike other teams they are just as athletic just bigger then us. Big week coming . I am going Friday night. Expecting to see St. johns. Also not looking to get Embrassed. Earn you money coach. The only movie you should be watching this Sunday is providence and Villanova .
Guys beat X-men, G.Town, and Marq. in hand to wrap up a tourny bid. What did you think was gonna happen playing those guys down there and giving up 50 lb. match ups? Our guys fell apart. You wanna blame them or coach? I hope you remember they went 7-1. I do believe outside of Nova that was as good a run by any in league play. Coach musta had some kind of plan.
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I am hoping he coached yesterday's game without a game plan. Meaning their is a real plan and he wasn't showing it. He can't switch on every ball screen. Unlike other teams they are just as athletic just bigger then us. Big week coming . I am going Friday night. Expecting to see St. johns. Also not looking to get Embrassed. Earn you money coach. The only movie you should be watching this Sunday is providence and Villanova .
Guys beat X-men, G.Town, and Marq. in hand to wrap up a tourny bid. What did you think was gonna happen playing those guys down there and giving up 50 lb. match ups? Our guys fell apart. You wanna blame them or coach? I hope you remember they went 7-1. I do believe outside of Nova that was as good a run by any in league play. Coach musta had some kind of plan.
I'm sure he had a plan too and it worked, we only lost by 37 points.
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I am hoping he coached yesterday's game without a game plan. Meaning their is a real plan and he wasn't showing it. He can't switch on every ball screen. Unlike other teams they are just as athletic just bigger then us. Big week coming . I am going Friday night. Expecting to see St. johns. Also not looking to get Embrassed. Earn you money coach. The only movie you should be watching this Sunday is providence and Villanova .
Guys beat X-men, G.Town, and Marq. in hand to wrap up a tourny bid. What did you think was gonna happen playing those guys down there and giving up 50 lb. match ups? Our guys fell apart. You wanna blame them or coach? I hope you remember they went 7-1. I do believe outside of Nova that was as good a run by any in league play. Coach musta had some kind of plan.
I'm sure he had a plan too and it worked, we only lost by 37 points.
Can't get on Lavin for resting hurting players. People will remember SJU making a run in the BET then beating NOVA and then losing in the first round.
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I am hoping he coached yesterday's game without a game plan. Meaning their is a real plan and he wasn't showing it. He can't switch on every ball screen. Unlike other teams they are just as athletic just bigger then us. Big week coming . I am going Friday night. Expecting to see St. johns. Also not looking to get Embrassed. Earn you money coach. The only movie you should be watching this Sunday is providence and Villanova .
Guys beat X-men, G.Town, and Marq. in hand to wrap up a tourny bid. What did you think was gonna happen playing those guys down there and giving up 50 lb. match ups? Our guys fell apart. You wanna blame them or coach? I hope you remember they went 7-1. I do believe outside of Nova that was as good a run by any in league play. Coach musta had some kind of plan.
I'm sure he had a plan too and it worked, we only lost by 37 points.
Can't get on Lavin for resting hurting players. People will remember SJU making a run in the BET then beating NOVA and then losing in the first round.
Wasn't referring to his decision to rest players was referring to whatever his plan was assuming he bothered to try to formulate a plan to win the game under the given circumstances. Should have used a smiley face because whatever his plan was it resulted in a 37 point loss. Next i'll get responses on what did i want him to do. Lighten up peeps. I'll give you my plan when SJU pays me 2 million per. :) :) :)
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I am hoping he coached yesterday's game without a game plan. Meaning their is a real plan and he wasn't showing it. He can't switch on every ball screen. Unlike other teams they are just as athletic just bigger then us. Big week coming . I am going Friday night. Expecting to see St. johns. Also not looking to get Embrassed. Earn you money coach. The only movie you should be watching this Sunday is providence and Villanova .
Guys beat X-men, G.Town, and Marq. in hand to wrap up a tourny bid. What did you think was gonna happen playing those guys down there and giving up 50 lb. match ups? Our guys fell apart. You wanna blame them or coach? I hope you remember they went 7-1. I do believe outside of Nova that was as good a run by any in league play. Coach musta had some kind of plan.
I'm sure he had a plan too and it worked, we only lost by 37 points.
Can't get on Lavin for resting hurting players. People will remember SJU making a run in the BET then beating NOVA and then losing in the first round.
Wasn't referring to his decision to rest players was referring to whatever his plan was assuming he bothered to try to formulate a plan to win the game under the given circumstances. Should have used a smiley face because whatever his plan was it resulted in a 37 point loss. Next i'll get responses on what did i want him to do. Lighten up peeps. I'll give you my plan when SJU pays me 2 million per. :) :) :)
Wasn't directed at you Celtics just more of a general statement, but I should of made it clearer.
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I am fine with sticking up for Lavin. We lost by almost 40. Reasonable to give some criticism .
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I am fine with sticking up for Lavin. We lost by almost 40. Reasonable to give some criticism .
Lost by 40 with CO and Branch out, not going to kill him for that. The short bench thing has already been beat to death.
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Rumor in the Twitter world is that the staff is telling recruits the coach and staff will see them graduate ... 5 year extension ... if I understand shorthand :)
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Only issue is whether some of the posters here will as well.
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Rumor in the Twitter world is that the staff is telling recruits the coach and staff will see them graduate ... 5 year extension ... if I understand shorthand :)
Where did you see this?
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Rumor in the Twitter world is that the staff is telling recruits the coach and staff will see them graduate ... 5 year extension ... if I understand shorthand :)
Where did you see this?
Sam Albano tweet
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GREETINGS.. To all friends, johhnyfans, true redmen.. ESPECIALLY Tha Kid, Maven, HTGS, WASJ,Baldi and all those who I have met and not met..
It's BE week and I regret no longer living in NY TO BE THERE to see the REDMEN compete in this tourney and on to the NCAA'S..
I haven't been posting or following this site for a while. My bad..
The other one is too mean spirited.. May have gotten worse but, hey...Some good guys there, some not so good..
Let's go Redmen...
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I've gone back and forth with this for a while.
I'm happy if he gets an extension. It's in the best interest of the program. The kids love him, the ones that make it to campus, graduate for the most part.
1st class has shown vast improvement on and off the court.
Starting over after a successful season ( yes, by STJ standards, this is a success) seems illogical ( rip Spock) at this point.
I don't care about his salary because I don't pay it.
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GREETINGS.. To all friends, johhnyfans, true redmen.. ESPECIALLY Tha Kid, Maven, HTGS, WASJ,Baldi and all those who I have met and not met..
It's BE week and I regret no longer living in NY TO BE THERE to see the REDMEN compete in this tourney and on to the NCAA'S..
I haven't been posting or following this site for a while. My bad..
The other one is too mean spirited.. May have gotten worse but, hey...Some good guys there, some not so good..
Let's go Redmen...
Good to hear from you slyfoxx...hope all is well!
Looking forward to seeing your posts as we make a run (hopefully) this year!
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GREETINGS.. To all friends, johhnyfans, true redmen.. ESPECIALLY Tha Kid, Maven, HTGS, WASJ,Baldi and all those who I have met and not met..
It's BE week and I regret no longer living in NY TO BE THERE to see the REDMEN compete in this tourney and on to the NCAA'S..
I haven't been posting or following this site for a while. My bad..
The other one is too mean spirited.. May have gotten worse but, hey...Some good guys there, some not so good..
Let's go Redmen...
Great to hear from you sly, it's been too long. Hope all is well! Hope to see more from ya in coming weeks
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I've gone back and forth with this for a while.
I'm happy if he gets an extension. It's in the best interest of the program(http://cdncache-a.akamaihd.net/items/it/img/arrow-10x10.png). The kids love him, the ones that make it to campus, graduate for the most part.
1st class has shown vast improvement on and off the court.
Starting over after a successful season ( yes, by STJ standards, this is a success) seems illogical ( rip Spock) at this point.
I don't care about his salary because I don't pay it.
It is the sober play. Love the Spock pull. Let's enjoy these tourneys to the max - all of us.
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Thanks Coach lavin, Good Luck in the Big East Tourney and March Madness!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The topic of this thread should be revised! It's not even an argument anymore.
Lavin has brought success to this program that we haven't experienced since the late 90's.
He's consistently bringing in top level recruits from around the country and internationally, with a fair share of premier local talent.
He's an ambassador for the program who is constantly pitching to boosters, alumni, the press and media. When he isn't pitching he's on the road recruiting.
To think that there is even the thought of not retaining him is ludicrous. We should be pitching to him to stay, not leave him in the balance depending on this year's performance.
We're in great hands. Incrementally, this program has flourished under his leadership. The future is very bright.
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Only issue is whether some of the posters here will as well.
Telling people does not make it so.
Lavin told reporters at this time last year that they were in contract negotiations on an extension, and that was not true.
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Only issue is whether some of the posters here will as well.
Telling people does not make it so.
Lavin told reporters at this time last year that they were in contract negotiations on an extension, and that was not true.
Exactly. The extension talk is all coming from Lavins camp
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Seriously, boys. Give up.
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Seriously, boys. Give up.
So let me get this straight... when there are rumors about players being discontent, alumni who want the coach out, or the administration being luke warm on the current coach .... we're supposed to ignore that. Because, after all, it's just a rumor.
But when there are rumors coming from the coaching staff that they're getting an extension soon, well then we're supposed to "give up", because that's as good as gold. Umm.. no.
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I'm just suggesting you get off your high horses, I'll give you a ladder if you need one, and wake up and smell the coffee. Coach and his staff have performed and they will be getting extensions.
You don't root for Kentucky or Duke and don't have the right to expect what you could expect if you did. This isn't a rich institution with unlimited resources.....
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I'm just suggesting you get off your high horses, I'll give you a ladder if you need one, and wake up and smell the coffee. Coach and his staff have performed and they will be getting extensions.
You don't root for Kentucky or Duke and don't have the right to expect what you could expect if you did. This isn't a rich institution with unlimited resources.....
What makes you think I expect St Johns to perform like Kentucky? Have I ever said we should make the tournament every year?
No, I mainly complain about the volatile up and downs, and the lack of long-term growth. There's no continuity.
And I disagree that the coach and his staff have performed. They had the #3 recruiting class 4 years ago, and those seniors are just now getting to their first and only NCAA appearance.
An appearance which in all likelihood will be one and done because we have no PF or backup center.
And then, following this season, we will be starting either all freshmen again, or a combination of freshmen and mediocre upperclassmen like felix and jones.
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Is Lavin in danger of taking another job?
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Is Lavin in danger of taking another job?
No! He will reject all offers because he love it at St. John's.
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Desco - just in case Lavin leaves, can the board have an Orlando Antigua update? How did S Florida do this year? ;)
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Is Lavin in danger of taking another job?
No! He will reject all offers because he love it at St. John's.
Are other schools looking to hire him?
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Desco - just in case Lavin leaves, can the board have an Orlando Antigua update? How did S Florida do this year? ;)
Fair point lol.
My main man did not exactly tear it up at USF. But that doesn't mean he won't turn that ship around.
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Is Lavin in danger of taking another job?
That will be the next leak/rumor.
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Coach Lavin? He quit last year. My friend told me so. He's not here anymore.
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I'm just suggesting you get off your high horses, I'll give you a ladder if you need one, and wake up and smell the coffee. Coach and his staff have performed and they will be getting extensions.
You don't root for Kentucky or Duke and don't have the right to expect what you could expect if you did. This isn't a rich institution with unlimited resources.....
Neither is Villanova. Neither is VCU. Neither is Dayton. Neither is Wichita State. Neither is Northern Iowa. Neither is Butler. I could keep going
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Also, slowly but surely Lav's reputation from UCLA of producing NBA players is continuing in Queens.
I think there's a strong chance that Dom and/or Sheed are being drafted this year.
There's also an outside shot of Sanchez being called up on the Knicks via 10 day contract over the next couple of months.
That'll mark 3 consecutive SF's and 6 players total that have had NBA experience inside of his 5 years.
I'm pretty sure that we had a stretch during the 00's where Artest was our only pro. Now that's a change in culture.
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Sheed and or CO going pro this year isn't good for program in any way. That's some serious spin. Come on.
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Dom yes. Sorry .
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Desco - just in case Lavin leaves, can the board have an Orlando Antigua update? How did S Florida do this year? ;)
Fair point lol.
My main man did not exactly tear it up at USF. But that doesn't mean he won't turn that ship around.
In all fairness to Antigua, he walked into a difficult coaching situation. He wasn't gonna win in year one. I would give him some time before criticizing.
The only real criticism is that i saw him wear an open collar and no tie. ;)
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Lavin has this unorthodox system of coaching differently throughout the season.
He focuses everything on peaking in February. We've seen it last 2 seasons . Prior to that he goes all mad scientist which drives many nuts. Would love to see some March wins now.
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Desco - just in case Lavin leaves, can the board have an Orlando Antigua update? How did S Florida do this year? ;)
Fair point lol.
My main man did not exactly tear it up at USF. But that doesn't mean he won't turn that ship around.
That doesn't mean he will turn it around, either. Let's see how it plays out.
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I know SR, I was half- joking.
However, if Lavin left, and recruits also, the situation here wouldn't exactly be rosy either.
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The good news is that this program should be fun for the next month or so. Hopefully mostly for a great BET run and then Lavin's extension. There are pro and cons to letting him go and extending him. Lavin has helped create this by having a team that will need to be completely rebuilt next year.
He has a three recruits which one of them us a four star. He has more NBA players jump to the NBA since Louie(?), and an Asst Coach as well. He also had a lot of players being ruled ineligible as well...Better the. Before they play, then afterward. Harrison is a good news story, and Jordan maybe as well as it looks like he is reaching his potential. How many games have these stories cost the program and why wasn't a better support system in place to help them. Would Jordan still be on the team if this year's team wasn't so thin?
Lavin tenure is full of contradictions and there isn't a very clear picture of succes yet, except that we can consistantly make the NIT, which is sadly a great improvement. Until some official source says something one way or the other about his future, both rumors of him staying and going is completely plausible.
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And I disagree that the coach and his staff have performed. They had the #3 recruiting class 4 years ago, and those seniors are just now getting to their first and only NCAA appearance.
An appearance which in all likelihood will be one and done because we have no PF or backup center.
And then, following this season, we will be starting either all freshmen again, or a combination of freshmen and mediocre upperclassmen like felix and jones.
To be fair, the #3 recruiting class isn't the same today as it was 4 years ago.
I believe that rating included Harkless, Sampson, Pelle and Garrett all 4-star recruits.
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They don't want to be fair and have no intention of doing so.
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Desco- you just assume we lose in round 1 and that both Co and Jordan don't come back and spout it as defense of your argument. So if we win a game and then 1 or both come back, then the story changes to what?
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Desco- you just assume we lose in round 1 and that both Co and Jordan don't come back and spout it as defense of your argument. So if we win a game and then 1 or both come back, then the story changes to what?
That Lavs got lucky and Dunlap would have had this same team in the Elite 8.
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The argument at one point was we weren't making the tournament.
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Also, slowly but surely Lav's reputation from UCLA of producing NBA players is continuing in Queens.
I think there's a strong chance that Dom and/or Sheed are being drafted this year.
There's also an outside shot of Sanchez being called up on the Knicks via 10 day contract over the next couple of months.
That'll mark 3 consecutive SF's and 6 players total that have had NBA experience inside of his 5 years.
I'm pretty sure that we had a stretch during the 00's where Artest was our only pro. Now that's a change in culture.
Recently read the Knicks have no intention of offering Sanchez a 10 day contract this season so OS left the Knicks D league team to play in Puerto Rico for financial reasons. Doesn't preclude kicks being interested next season. As for staff telling kids they will be here to see them graduate what else can they tell a recruit in order to have any chance of signing them. Recruiting is a dirty business on both sides so wouldn't blame any staff for fudging the truth if they indeed did.
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Also, slowly but surely Lav's reputation from UCLA of producing NBA players is continuing in Queens.
I think there's a strong chance that Dom and/or Sheed are being drafted this year.
There's also an outside shot of Sanchez being called up on the Knicks via 10 day contract over the next couple of months.
That'll mark 3 consecutive SF's and 6 players total that have had NBA experience inside of his 5 years.
I'm pretty sure that we had a stretch during the 00's where Artest was our only pro. Now that's a change in culture.
Recently read the Knicks have no intention of offering Sanchez a 10 day contract this season so OS left the Knicks D league team to play in Puerto Rico for financial reasons. Doesn't preclude kicks being interested next season. As for staff telling kids they will be here to see them graduate what else can they tell a recruit in order to have any chance of signing them. Recruiting is a dirty business on both sides so wouldn't blame any staff for fudging the truth if they indeed did.
The Orlando stuff was basically financial on both sides. If he played in the league this year his salary for next year would be higher and they wouldn't sign him. Now that he hasn't played in the league this year he can have a rookie minimum salary next season.
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Does anyone know who will be coaching the team in the Big East and NCAA tournament?
Also, who will be filling in for Rysheed Jordan?
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Does anyone know who will be coaching the team in the Big East and NCAA tournament?
For our sake, I hope Whitesell.
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Does anyone know who will be coaching the team in the Big East and NCAA tournament?
Also, who will be filling in for Rysheed Jordan?
???
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I disagree with this article, obviously, but it's worth sharing ..
USA Today - St Johns Fans Should Live in Present, Appreciate Lavin
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/bigeast/2015/03/11/st-johns-steve-lavin-fans/70167416/
Howard megdal was useful at one time, he should have stuck to reporting on the Mets finances.
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Nothing to disagree with. He kind of stated facts. He didn't say Lavin was a great coach. Just said Lavin was doing well in a tough environment .
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Nothing to disagree with. He kind of stated facts. He didn't say Lavin was a great coach. Just said Lavin was doing well in a tough environment .
But it's not a tough environment. Norm sucked.
mahoney, Fran, and Jarvis all made the tournament and recruited an elite player or two. Felipe, Artest, Barkley are better than any recruit Lavin has signed.
Did they have their flaws? Sure. But 3 of the 4 post Lou coaches showed you could win and recruit here.
The fact that Lavin hasn't capped his pants, isn't cause for celebration. Look beyond the norm years and you'll see that winning here isn't imposSible.
This was a pure fluff piece by a guy without any sources, who wrote it from his couch by reading these message boards.
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Nothing to disagree with. He kind of stated facts. He didn't say Lavin was a great coach. Just said Lavin was doing well in a tough environment .
But it's not a tough environment. Norm sucked.
mahoney, Fran, and Jarvis all made the tournament and recruited an elite player or two. Felipe, Artest, Barkley are better than any recruit Lavin has signed.
Did they have their flaws? Sure. But 3 of the 4 post Lou coaches showed you could win and recruit here.
The fact that Lavin hasn't capped his pants, isn't cause for celebration. Look beyond the norm years and you'll see that winning here isn't imposSible.
This was a pure fluff piece by a guy without any sources, who wrote it from his couch by reading these message boards.
Doesn't it get tiring fighting this fight? Sit back and enjoy it for what it is. A great group of seniors finally getting their shot and act together and closing out their careers on a high note. The quest to get Lavin fired should kind of die about now, actually about a month ago.. Pick it up again after the season.. I'm exhausted reading you in regards to Operation New Coach.
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Seriously...this is our best team in 15 years. Enjoy it while we can. Just put it on hold for a couple of weeks...hopefully a few weeks more if the ball bounces our way.
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Nothing to disagree with. He kind of stated facts. He didn't say Lavin was a great coach. Just said Lavin was doing well in a tough environment .
But it's not a tough environment. Norm sucked.
mahoney, Fran, and Jarvis all made the tournament and recruited an elite player or two. Felipe, Artest, Barkley are better than any recruit Lavin has signed.
Did they have their flaws? Sure. But 3 of the 4 post Lou coaches showed you could win and recruit here.
The fact that Lavin hasn't capped his pants, isn't cause for celebration. Look beyond the norm years and you'll see that winning here isn't imposSible.
This was a pure fluff piece by a guy without any sources, who wrote it from his couch by reading these message boards.
Doesn't it get tiring fighting this fight? Sit back and enjoy it for what it is. A great group of seniors finally getting their shot and act together and closing out their careers on a high note. The quest to get Lavin fired should kind of die about now, actually about a month ago.. Pick it up again after the season.. I'm exhausted reading you in regards to Operation New Coach.
It does get tiring boo. And you are right in at least one regard, this is a great group of seniors, and we are in the fun position as fans to sit back now and watch what they can do in the post season. Big East tourny and then the NCAAs.
I'm really looking forward to it.
But when hnk or clueless bloggers defend the coach in a biased manner, I'm going to refute their arguments. I sincerely apologize if that aggravates you. And I will try to restrain myself so the conversations aren't exhaustingly repetitive.
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I disagree with this article, obviously, but it's worth sharing ..
USA Today - St Johns Fans Should Live in Present, Appreciate Lavin
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/bigeast/2015/03/11/st-johns-steve-lavin-fans/70167416/
Howard megdal was useful at one time, he should have stuck to reporting on the Mets finances.
What, exactly, do you diagree with? Anything factual, or just the optimistic tone of the article?
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Nothing to disagree with. He kind of stated facts. He didn't say Lavin was a great coach. Just said Lavin was doing well in a tough environment .
But it's not a tough environment. Norm sucked.
mahoney, Fran, and Jarvis all made the tournament and recruited an elite player or two. Felipe, Artest, Barkley are better than any recruit Lavin has signed.
Did they have their flaws? Sure. But 3 of the 4 post Lou coaches showed you could win and recruit here.
The fact that Lavin hasn't capped his pants, isn't cause for celebration. Look beyond the norm years and you'll see that winning here isn't imposSible.
This was a pure fluff piece by a guy without any sources, who wrote it from his couch by reading these message boards.
Doesn't it get tiring fighting this fight? Sit back and enjoy it for what it is. A great group of seniors finally getting their shot and act together and closing out their careers on a high note. The quest to get Lavin fired should kind of die about now, actually about a month ago.. Pick it up again after the season.. I'm exhausted reading you in regards to Operation New Coach.
It does get tiring boo. And you are right in at least one regard, this is a great group of seniors, and we are in the fun position as fans to sit back now and watch what they can do in the post season. Big East tourny and then the NCAAs.
I'm really looking forward to it.
But when hnk or clueless bloggers defend the coach in a biased manner, I'm going to refute their arguments. I sincerely apologize if that aggravates you. And I will try to restrain myself so the conversations aren't exhaustingly repetitive.
You posted the article and attacked it in the same post. You weren't refuting any biased defense of Lavin in this thread. You just find the need to attack him at every opportunity. At this point, it comes across as totally irrational.
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Aggravating is too strong.. Not aggravated. Those dudes are just trolling you. I bet if you ignored it they would have moved on... maybe? ;)
listen, I was on board ( with moving on) after the way the season was looking... Coaching CBB is a very fluid thing as we have seen the last couple of Lavin led seasons... Doomsday to a great run and back again.
Now I'm in favor of extending him... Hoping maybe he's learned some lessons re: recruiting etc... Based on some of the lower ranked commitments, I think he has. The All or None philosophy with the 4/5 star kids hurt us depth wise this season and likely will cost us from going farther than we should.
I don't have anything against you or your opinion.. Totally respect it. You don't have to defend it at all costs though. We should be figuring out where everyone is sitting for the game tomorrow instead of coaching dilemnas and why Iona is going to the NIT.
PS- Pissed I'm not going tomorrow as my wife is in Chicago for business and I can't get someone to watch my kids.
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I disagree with this article, obviously, but it's worth sharing ..
USA Today - St Johns Fans Should Live in Present, Appreciate Lavin
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/bigeast/2015/03/11/st-johns-steve-lavin-fans/70167416/
Howard megdal was useful at one time, he should have stuck to reporting on the Mets finances.
What, exactly, do you diagree with? Anything factual, or just the optimistic tone of the article?
I disagree with his expressed theory that SJU fans are living in 1985, and I also disagree with his implication that fans have unrealistic expectations.
I also don't think his line that many others have failed since lou is accurate.
And his complaint that Lavin has tougher circumstances because sju doesn't spend as much on athletics relative to other schools is misleading.
sure, Florida spends 10x more now than it did in the 80s.
But most sju fans don't compare our program to those types of programs.
we think of villanova, georgetown, gonzga, Xavier as our closer contemporaries.
And so, no, relative to Nova and Georgetown, we're spending fairly equitably on athletics.
But this is my last comment on the matter, or the coach for that matter.
I'll just say this, as surprising as this may be, humans are a complex species. We are capable of multiple emotions at the same instance, and certainly even more over the course of a week or month.
I love these seniors and am quite excited about our chances these next few weekS. I also think in the long run we would be better with a different coach.
I'm capable of multiple emotions, so stop telling me how to feel about this or that.
(Not directed at you SR)
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Thanks for trying to bait me. I appreciate the attention, but I am not going to rise to it or engage with you.......
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Did anyone notice we blew out Georgetown the last time we played them (after they beat us handily) and beat Xavier twice this season.
Or am i just biased.
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Nothing to disagree with. He kind of stated facts. He didn't say Lavin was a great coach. Just said Lavin was doing well in a tough environment .
But it's not a tough environment. Norm sucked.
mahoney, Fran, and Jarvis all made the tournament and recruited an elite player or two. Felipe, Artest, Barkley are better than any recruit Lavin has signed.
Did they have their flaws? Sure. But 3 of the 4 post Lou coaches showed you could win and recruit here.
The fact that Lavin hasn't capped his pants, isn't cause for celebration. Look beyond the norm years and you'll see that winning here isn't imposSible.
This was a pure fluff piece by a guy without any sources, who wrote it from his couch by reading these message boards.
Doesn't it get tiring fighting this fight? Sit back and enjoy it for what it is. A great group of seniors finally getting their shot and act together and closing out their careers on a high note. The quest to get Lavin fired should kind of die about now, actually about a month ago.. Pick it up again after the season.. I'm exhausted reading you in regards to Operation New Coach.
It does get tiring boo. And you are right in at least one regard, this is a great group of seniors, and we are in the fun position as fans to sit back now and watch what they can do in the post season. Big East tourny and then the NCAAs.
I'm really looking forward to it.
But when hnk or clueless bloggers defend the coach in a biased manner, I'm going to refute their arguments. I sincerely apologize if that aggravates you. And I will try to restrain myself so the conversations aren't exhaustingly repetitive.
I think hnk now does it because he knows it'll grate your nerves and will get you to respond. I guess you can say he's trolling you.
By the way, how many Lopez's, Artest's, and Barkley's have come through NYC since Lavin has been the coach? He has been able to get the best out of NYC since he's been the coach (ie, Harkless and Obekpa).
NYC isn't producing nearly the same type of player's they did during that time. Heck! In a two-year period, you had Brand, Artest, Odom, Barkley, Jessie, and Glover. That's 4 top 10 recruit's alone in Brand, Artest, Odom, and Barkley, while Jessie was top 50, and Glover was top 25-30 by most publications. I have a hunch Lavin would get his share, if the pickings were in abundance. Then again, that was a different time, and college hoops have changed since those players were in college.
St. John's usually made their living off of NYC players, and Fraschilla came along during the time when the city was still a hotbed for talent and the landscape of college hoops wasn't like it is now. So, Lavin is relegated to getting those kinda recruits in other parts of the country.
Just sit back and enjoy, and you'll possibly have next season to do your rippin'.
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The next couple games are huge for Lavin. Tough to judge a coach on a few games . But that's where we are at. In year 5 we should be better then providence.
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Desco - I'm just happy he was reading out board comments that say to just enjoy the moment. I'm doing that the rest of the way regardless of what transpires. The team has a lot of energy left to go down swinging.
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But it's not a tough environment. Norm sucked.
mahoney, Fran, and Jarvis all made the tournament and recruited an elite player or two.
But you must believe that the comparison between a coach and his immediate predecessor is most salient. You're certainly free to compare him to Joe Lapchick and Buck Freeman or any coach if you would like. And it's definitely interesting to analyze the characters that comprise our favorite squad from an overall historical perspective. But the Norm/Hollywood contrast can't be ignored and is certainly most germane.
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The next couple games are huge for Lavin. Tough to judge a coach on a few games . But that's where we are at. In year 5 we should be better then providence.
Yet some want an extension because of this year and not the body of work
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I disagree with this article, obviously, but it's worth sharing ..
USA Today - St Johns Fans Should Live in Present, Appreciate Lavin
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/bigeast/2015/03/11/st-johns-steve-lavin-fans/70167416/
Howard megdal was useful at one time, he should have stuck to reporting on the Mets finances.
Honestly I think this article puts in pretty good perspective just how much we should appreciate lavin.
The key here is though we can't go back to 13 win team next year and take 2-3 years to be back at this point. If next year we are no worse than 17-18 wins w a stud recruit or two signed for '16 and 2 years from now we are squarely on the bubble I think we would all sign up for that.
Lavin deserves an extension in my mind that basically has a very low buy out after the 2016-2017 season. He deserves some security so he can recruit without the stigma, and then get next year and the year after. After that we should be able to see pretty clearly whether he is building on the foundation he created or whether max he will make the dance every four years. Every four years isn't good enough. 2-3 tourneys every 5 years I think is OK but start the counting from next year once his seniors graduate. 2/5 is really 1/4 if you start counting w this year.
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I hope he earns one . He has s big opportunity .
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Lavin to be evaluated after season. As per zags
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Lavin to be evaluated after season. As per zags
where did Zagoria say that..?
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Lavin to be evaluated after season. As per zags
where did Zagoria say that..?
@AdamZagoria: St. John's coach Steve Lavin has 1 year left on his original deal and the school will evaluate him after the season, source says.
@AdamZagoria: The Johnnies are a lock to make the NCAAs, but St. John's will have no official comment on Lavin's future until after the season.
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Lavin to be evaluated after season. As per zags
where did Zagoria say that..?
@AdamZagoria: St. John's coach Steve Lavin has 1 year left on his original deal and the school will evaluate him after the season, source says.
@AdamZagoria: The Johnnies are a lock to make the NCAAs, but St. John's will have no official comment on Lavin's future until after the season.
Lavin can say a whole lot by his team's actions over the next couple of weeks.
Starting... time now!
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we will be a lock when our name is called selection sunday until then i don't want to hear we are a lock.
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we will be a lock when our name is called selection sunday until then i don't want to hear we are a lock.
We are a lock.
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we will be a lock when our name is called selection sunday until then i don't want to hear we are a lock.
We are a lock.
SMU was a lock
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We're a lock, but now a 10/11 looks a lot more likely, which, depending on how you look at at it and which bracket you are in, could wind up being better.
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Lavin is 2-7 in the postseason with SJU and 1-4 in the Big East Tournament. That deserves an extension?
Hell no.
Get him and his ENTIRE staff out of here. It's time for a change.
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we will be a lock when our name is called selection sunday until then i don't want to hear we are a lock.
We are a lock.
SMU was a lock
Go look at SMU's RPI from last season versus ours this season.
Let's wager. PayPal is available (I'm not even a person who bets, but I know this one is practically a cinch).
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We're a lock, but now a 10/11 looks a lot more likely, which, depending on how you look at at it and which bracket you are in, could wind up being better.
Like I've said before, '212.... Whenever a high-major receive an 11 seed, it's due to that team barely making the field. We're not gonna "barely" make the field. I believe we'll end up being in the 8/9 game. But a 7 seed still isn't out of the question. As, purist stated, it's body of work.
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Ya let's give him an extension
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Ya let's give him an extension
About time you came around!
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If the team comes out like this next game like they did today a lot of people might b getting their wish.
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It's absurd. I won't post any more
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Now we know why SJu is waiting until after the season to talk about extensions.
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Ya let's give him an extension
they just need to wait until the Sweet 16 or Elite Eight when Hurley is done.
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Just got an alert from CBS "I am not a good tournament coach " from Lavin
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Just got an alert from CBS "I am not a good tournament coach " from Lavin
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25104846/after-st-johns-loss-coach-steve-lavin-says-im-a-poor-tournament-coach
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How'd we do?
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Anyone still here?
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Being evaluated at end of season. You may get your wish. Although some day making the Tourney was the mandate. .
Any new info? Please share
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Being evaluated at end of season. You may get your wish. Although some day making the Tourney was the mandate. .
Any new info? Please share
I always share
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I could see a situation where we lose bad round one. Staff is evaluated, offered an extension ( a lowball) one , and Lavin decides to walk. Definitely. I'm indifferent at the moment. I'd support an extension or a parting. I don't think things would be significantly better or worse with new staff.
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I could see a situation where we lose bad round one. Staff is evaluated, offered an extension ( a lowball) one , and Lavin decides to walk. Definitely. I'm indifferent at the moment. I'd support an extension or a parting. I don't think things would be significantly better or worse with new staff.
Serious question. Is anyone seeking Lavin? Why offer extension?
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Lavin walk? Even if his salary was cut in half, where else could he earn that kind of money?
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You want a lame duck next year. Might as well fire him then. Can't recruit without a contract. Do we really need to rehash this crap again?
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You want a lame duck next year. Might as well fire him then. Can't recruit without a contract. Do we really need to rehash this crap again?
Year 6 coming bro. We shouldn't be in recruiting to build a team
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I am fine firing him, but don't want to lose the recruits.
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You want a lame duck next year. Might as well fire him then. Can't recruit without a contract. Do we really need to rehash this crap again?
Year 6 coming bro. We shouldn't be in recruiting to build a team
Again, that irrelevant. Fire him then. Either fire him or extend. You can't recruit anyone if you can't tell a kids parents you will be there for 3-4 years. Everything else is irrelevant.
I personally don't care either way. I won't lose any sleep if he's here or not.
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You want a lame duck next year. Might as well fire him then. Can't recruit without a contract. Do we really need to rehash this crap again?
Year 6 coming bro. We shouldn't be in recruiting to build a team
Again, that irrelevant. Fire him then. Either fire him or extend. You can't recruit anyone if you can't tell a kids parents you will be there for 3-4 years. Everything else is irrelevant.
I personally don't care either way. I won't lose any sleep if he's here or not.
Are you happy where the team is now?
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I am not a big Lavin supporter but this is a ridiculous discussion at this time. We are definitely in the tournament and not in materially worse seeding shape after the loss.
Perspective
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Not particularly. Then again, I'm down on college basketball in general.
It's not just St Johns. Pretty much the whole thing is bad. The quality of basketball , particularly offensively , is horrendous and often unwatchable .
I've always been a huge CBB fan. Last couple of years I've migrated back to NBA. So much better. Imagine guys actually make shots? Crazy, I know.
So in summation, not happy about St Johns. Not happy about CBb in general. The result, I don't really care who coaches here unless its Calipari, Pitino or a handful or others, nothing will substantially change around here.
We will never be a national power.
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I am not a big Lavin supporter but this is a ridiculous discussion at this time. We are definitely in the tournament and not in materially worse seeding shape after the loss.
Perspective
Perspective doesn't exist here.
My friend texted me this morning saying how he hopes we're in the Kentucky bracket. And I replied how I would kill him if we were.
He then reminded me that if he told me that at the beginning of the year we would lose to Kentucky in the second (third) round of the tourney how ecstatic would I be that we won a game in the tournament?
That's probably why I didn't take today too harshly. Let's win a game next week.
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Not particularly. Then again, I'm down on college basketball in general.
It's not just St Johns. Pretty much the whole thing is bad. The quality of basketball , particularly offensively , is horrendous and often unwatchable .
I've always been a huge CBB fan. Last couple of years I've migrated back to NBA. So much better. Imagine guys actually make shots? Crazy, I know.
So in summation, not happy about St Johns. Not happy about CBb in general. The result, I don't really care who coaches here unless its Calipari, Pitino or a handful or others, nothing will substantially change around here.
We will never be a national power.
My sentiments exactly... doesn't matter if its Lavin or some other name, results will be same. They have been for decades
In regards to CBB it is unwatchable, was a huge fan now have very little desire or patience to watch the product that is out there now.
Although, can't stand the NBA either, fun watching individual ability but that's all it is
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Only realistic name that I would take over Lavin next year is Danny Hurley. I'm not sure Danny would leave URI at this point for SJU either.
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Not particularly. Then again, I'm down on college basketball in general.
It's not just St Johns. Pretty much the whole thing is bad. The quality of basketball , particularly offensively , is horrendous and often unwatchable .
I've always been a huge CBB fan. Last couple of years I've migrated back to NBA. So much better. Imagine guys actually make shots? Crazy, I know.
So in summation, not happy about St Johns. Not happy about CBb in general. The result, I don't really care who coaches here unless its Calipari, Pitino or a handful or others, nothing will substantially change around here.
We will never be a national power.
You just summed up how I feel about college basketball in general. As, Alex English said on local radio show (he's a South Carolinian), "The game is watered down."
Kentucky and, in some ways, Duke is monopolizing the game, and just the overall way of play isn't particularly good. That doesn't say, I don't still enjoy the game. But it's not quite a good product.
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Not particularly. Then again, I'm down on college basketball in general.
It's not just St Johns. Pretty much the whole thing is bad. The quality of basketball , particularly offensively , is horrendous and often unwatchable .
I've always been a huge CBB fan. Last couple of years I've migrated back to NBA. So much better. Imagine guys actually make shots? Crazy, I know.
So in summation, not happy about St Johns. Not happy about CBb in general. The result, I don't really care who coaches here unless its Calipari, Pitino or a handful or others, nothing will substantially change around here.
We will never be a national power.
You just summed up how I feel about college basketball in general. As, Alex English said on local radio show (he's a South Carolinian), "The game is watered down."
Cluess said same earlier this month in article. Pretty much said the product sucks
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Only realistic name that I would take over Lavin next year is Danny Hurley. I'm not sure Danny would leave URI at this point for SJU either.
He's got a lot of family here.
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Not particularly. Then again, I'm down on college basketball in general.
It's not just St Johns. Pretty much the whole thing is bad. The quality of basketball , particularly offensively , is horrendous and often unwatchable .
I've always been a huge CBB fan. Last couple of years I've migrated back to NBA. So much better. Imagine guys actually make shots? Crazy, I know.
So in summation, not happy about St Johns. Not happy about CBb in general. The result, I don't really care who coaches here unless its Calipari, Pitino or a handful or others, nothing will substantially change around here.
We will never be a national power.
My sentiments exactly... doesn't matter if its Lavin or some other name, results will be same. They have been for decades
In regards to CBB it is unwatchable, was a huge fan now have very little desire or patience to watch the product that is out there now.
Although, can't stand the NBA either, fun watching individual ability but that's all it is
You guys need to check the WNBA. You'e gonna love it. Oh, the passing.
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Not particularly. Then again, I'm down on college basketball in general.
It's not just St Johns. Pretty much the whole thing is bad. The quality of basketball , particularly offensively , is horrendous and often unwatchable .
I've always been a huge CBB fan. Last couple of years I've migrated back to NBA. So much better. Imagine guys actually make shots? Crazy, I know.
So in summation, not happy about St Johns. Not happy about CBb in general. The result, I don't really care who coaches here unless its Calipari, Pitino or a handful or others, nothing will substantially change around here.
We will never be a national power.
My sentiments exactly... doesn't matter if its Lavin or some other name, results will be same. They have been for decades
In regards to CBB it is unwatchable, was a huge fan now have very little desire or patience to watch the product that is out there now.
Although, can't stand the NBA either, fun watching individual ability but that's all it is
You guys need to check the WNBA. You'e gonna love it. Oh, the passing.
What does that even mean?
Mike Vaccaro with a very good, critical article.
http://nypost.com/2015/03/12/st-johns-seniors-lavin-on-verge-of-leaving-empty-legacy/
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good article by Vacc.
I've tried and will continue to stay positive for as long as these guys are playing. That being said, this year's issues and likely next year's, will all be a result of lavin not recruiting a 2014 class. his and this team's demise is directly tied to not having any depth
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Only realistic name that I would take over Lavin next year is Danny Hurley. I'm not sure Danny would leave URI at this point for SJU either.
he gets a base salary of $300k/year. with added incentive based pay, his salary balloons to about 700-800k/year. sju could match that easily.
http://www.turnto10.com/story/22079899/uri-coach-gets-added-perks-in-contract-extension
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Only realistic name that I would take over Lavin next year is Danny Hurley. I'm not sure Danny would leave URI at this point for SJU either.
he gets a base salary of $300k/year. with added incentive based pay, his salary balloons to about 700-800k/year. sju could match that easily.
http://www.turnto10.com/story/22079899/uri-coach-gets-added-perks-in-contract-extension
He would no longer have to live in Rhode Island. That should be enough.
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Only realistic name that I would take over Lavin next year is Danny Hurley. I'm not sure Danny would leave URI at this point for SJU either.
he gets a base salary of $300k/year. with added incentive based pay, his salary balloons to about 700-800k/year. sju could match that easily.
http://www.turnto10.com/story/22079899/uri-coach-gets-added-perks-in-contract-extension
He would no longer have to live in Rhode Island. That should be enough.
i hate talking about a coaching change when we still have games to play, but danny hurley is a very, very tempting option.
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Yes he would stay about 3 years before heading for a State University
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boo is absolutely right. If we lose first round and not sure if we want him long time Either we offer him an extension with a low buyout amount and let him either accept it or walk, or we fire him. Just letting him play out final year is dumb and ties lavins hands on recruiting trail. That benefits no one.
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Yes he would stay about 3 years before heading for a State University
1) that would mean we were successful
2) not everyone leaves for greener pastures, his dad has been at the same job forever. He could have taken many opportunities in D1. Also, see Mark Few and Shaka Smart.
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Lavin's salary isn't chunck change either...
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Yes he would stay about 3 years before heading for a State University
1) that would mean we were successful
2) not everyone leaves for greener pastures, his dad has been at the same job forever. He could have taken many opportunities in D1. Also, see Mark Few and Shaka Smart.
Are you pinning wings on him already?
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Yes he would stay about 3 years before heading for a State University
1) that would mean we were successful
2) not everyone leaves for greener pastures, his dad has been at the same job forever. He could have taken many opportunities in D1. Also, see Mark Few and Shaka Smart.
Are you pinning wings on him already?
No, and I'm not saying we should hire him. Just that your reason for not going after Danny H, isn't too persuasive to me. Leaving after 3 years isn't terrible.
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Like I said earlier in thread, Too bad I don't think the school has the $ to go after Billy Donovan. Have to go younger
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Like I said earlier in thread, Too bad I don't think the school has the $ to go after Billy Donovan. Have to go younger
Assuming he wants to leave his sweet gig in Floridea...Cheaper cost of living, smaller town, less media, well established. So far nothing has changed at St. John's, we're back to where we were five years ago. Has there been any legitimate rumors obout Donovan looking for a change of scenery?
Things will get interesting on the next month or so for sure.
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Like I said earlier in thread, Too bad I don't think the school has the $ to go after Billy Donovan. Have to go younger
Assuming he wants to leave his sweet gig in Floridea...Cheaper cost of living, smaller town, less media, well established. So far nothing has changed at St. John's, we're back to where we were five years ago. Has there been any legitimate rumors obout Donovan looking for a change of scenery?
Things will get interesting on the next month or so for sure.
Funny I was just reading an article where it was mentioning crazy rumors about Crean taking the Alabama job and Donovan to Indiana. Something about Donovan not wanting to coach at a football school anymore
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Bobby Hurley is my choice
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Bobby Hurley is my choice
Got to be the Hurleys and Archie at the top of the list. All 3 willbe very busy in Indianapolis
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Like I said earlier in thread, Too bad I don't think the school has the $ to go after Billy Donovan. Have to go younger
Assuming he wants to leave his sweet gig in Floridea...Cheaper cost of living, smaller town, less media, well established. So far nothing has changed at St. John's, we're back to where we were five years ago. Has there been any legitimate rumors obout Donovan looking for a change of scenery?
Things will get interesting on the next month or so for sure.
Funny I was just reading an article where it was mentioning crazy rumors about Crean taking the Alabama job and Donovan to Indiana. Something about Donovan not wanting to coach at a football school anymore
Did you read the article I posted where it stated Indiana may be ok with paying off Crean's buyout of about 11-12 Mil depending on language for before July 1st? If he leaves, Alabama would not get buyout benefit. I think they'll get Miller unless Donovan rumor has legs.
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Whatever they do I hope it works out. Really don't have an opinion on this anymore. Just sad.
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Lavin improved the profile of the program while he was here. There are some good things that he brought to the school such as quality recruits from Texas, Michigan and Pennsylvania. We weren't the team we hoped to see tonight.
That said, while this loss is hard to swallow, it's not on the players. I have no idea if Lavin took a year off from recruiting, and if he did, why he did. Maybe he's sick, and we aren't and shouldn't be privy to that info. If he is, we should pray for his recovery. If he isn't, his lack of work ethic, judgement and ability to evaluate talent is enough for me to be happy with moving on.
Some have said that making it should be more than enough. I'm sorry, but those people are dead wrong. Lavin has got to be done. He's not a hated man like Mike Jarvis or Norm Roberts, but this program needs a better leader.
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@MikeVacc: Column: Sadness for St. John's seniors will quickly give way to anger toward Lavin's tired pile of excuses. http://t.co/fMiFNkIVYR #sjubb
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Bobby Hurley is my choice
Got to be the Hurleys and Archie at the top of the list. All 3 willbe very busy in Indianapolis
and what happens if they all say no? we're f-u-c-k-e-d
i'm 50/50 on lavin. decision can't be made blindly. there has to be a good realistic option.
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Bobby Hurley is my choice
Got to be the Hurleys and Archie at the top of the list. All 3 willbe very busy in Indianapolis
and what happens if they all say no? we're f-u-c-k-e-d
i'm 50/50 on lavin. decision can't be made blindly. there has to be a good realistic option.
I don't see either Hurley telling us no
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Bobby Hurley is my choice
Got to be the Hurleys and Archie at the top of the list. All 3 willbe very busy in Indianapolis
and what happens if they all say no? we're f-u-c-k-e-d
i'm 50/50 on lavin. decision can't be made blindly. there has to be a good realistic option.
I don't see either Hurley telling us no
who says either hurley is an improvement???
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Bobby Hurley is my choice
Got to be the Hurleys and Archie at the top of the list. All 3 willbe very busy in Indianapolis
and what happens if they all say no? we're f-u-c-k-e-d
i'm 50/50 on lavin. decision can't be made blindly. there has to be a good realistic option.
I don't see either Hurley telling us no
who says either hurley is an improvement???
Anybody with a brain
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Bobby Hurley is my choice
Got to be the Hurleys and Archie at the top of the list. All 3 willbe very busy in Indianapolis
and what happens if they all say no? we're f-u-c-k-e-d
i'm 50/50 on lavin. decision can't be made blindly. there has to be a good realistic option.
I don't see either Hurley telling us no
who says either hurley is an improvement???
Anybody with a brain
yeah, because their extensive resumes would lead anyone to call them a sure thing. wishing and hoping, doesn't make it so. just another wing and a prayer
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Bobby Hurley is my choice
Got to be the Hurleys and Archie at the top of the list. All 3 willbe very busy in Indianapolis
and what happens if they all say no? we're f-u-c-k-e-d
i'm 50/50 on lavin. decision can't be made blindly. there has to be a good realistic option.
The decision can definitely be made blindly. They've been making them for almost 25 years. The X factor is the new president. Hopefully, he's everything Harrington wasn't.
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Bobby Hurley is my choice
Got to be the Hurleys and Archie at the top of the list. All 3 willbe very busy in Indianapolis
and what happens if they all say no? we're f-u-c-k-e-d
i'm 50/50 on lavin. decision can't be made blindly. there has to be a good realistic option.
I don't see either Hurley telling us no
who says either hurley is an improvement???
Anybody with a brain
yeah, because their extensive resumes would lead anyone to call them a sure thing. wishing and hoping, doesn't make it so. just another wing and a prayer
counting on Lavin to somehow become a better coach than he has been over the past 5 years doesn't fall in the 'wishing, hoping, wind and a prayer' category?
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Bobby Hurley is my choice
Got to be the Hurleys and Archie at the top of the list. All 3 willbe very busy in Indianapolis
and what happens if they all say no? we're f-u-c-k-e-d
i'm 50/50 on lavin. decision can't be made blindly. there has to be a good realistic option.
I don't see either Hurley telling us no
who says either hurley is an improvement???
what do you think Lavin would do with RI or Buffalo ?
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Bobby Hurley is my choice
Got to be the Hurleys and Archie at the top of the list. All 3 willbe very busy in Indianapolis
and what happens if they all say no? we're f-u-c-k-e-d
i'm 50/50 on lavin. decision can't be made blindly. there has to be a good realistic option.
I don't see either Hurley telling us no
who says either hurley is an improvement???
what do you think Lavin would do with RI or Buffalo ?
Blame Lamar Odom and Scott Norwood
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If a change is made which I don't favor what about looking at the the guy who is filling in fo Cronin at Cincy?
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Your pulling names out of your arse and watching the Kentucky game at the same time.
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I'm for Lavin extension.
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I'm 50/50 right now. The real deciding factor for me is who they have lined up to take lavin's place. If there is no one better than it makes no sense to fire him. Unfortunately I have no idea who is interested in the job. Based on the realistic names I have heard, I think it makes sense to extend lavin, but tell him he better recruit like a mother and shake up his staff if necessary. I think whitesell had a positive effect based on the way the team looked this season, so maybe Hines or chiles has to go. Or maybe Lavin just had to hit he road harder. Maybe we need a bag man to step up. Either way, he needs to get some good players if he wants to stay
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I want to get a guy in here that will be here for 20 years and grow a program--not just coach a team.
There are some attractive candidates like Miller, Marshall, and Smart. Those are home runs. There is a possible big-timer in Donovan as well.
Bobby Hurley is the guy I keep coming back to.
-Local guy
-Connections throughout most fertile recruiting grounds in country
-A pedigree that can't be matched by anyone
-A tough, smart former player and coach kids will line up to pay for
-Outstanding success at every level as a player and coach
-Winner, hard worker, good x's and o's are how he is universally described
-Coached college in NYC and coached in a big conference at Rhode Island
-Recruited NYC, NJ, and the entire state of NY in five years as a coach
-Proven ability to recruit transfers and JUCOs
-Has rebuilt three programs very quickly
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I want to get a guy in here that will be here for 20 years and grow a program--not just coach a team.
There are some attractive candidates like Miller, Marshall, and Smart. Those are home runs. There is a possible big-timer in Donovan as well.
Bobby Hurley is the guy I keep coming back to.
-Local guy
-Connections throughout most fertile recruiting grounds in country
-A pedigree that can't be matched by anyone
-A tough, smart former player and coach kids will line up to pay for
-Outstanding success at every level as a player and coach
-Winner, hard worker, good x's and o's are how he is universally described
-Coached college in NYC and coached in a big conference at Rhode Island
-Recruited NYC, NJ, and the entire state of NY in five years as a coach
-Proven ability to recruit transfers and JUCOs
-Has rebuilt three programs very quickly
its Danny at RI. Bobby at Buffalo. Did you mean Danny or Bobby.
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Hybrid
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Also, Bobby Hurley has inked quite a class for 2015 at Buffalo including a 6'5 JUCO SF from Midland with three years of eligibility that could start here and former top 100 recruit, Torian Graham. He has a fabulous freshman that can play in the Big East and his leading scorer at Buffalo could play here as well.
Those kids signed to play for Bobby Hurley and I'm sure they'd follow him anywhere.
Sign him now, and let him go to work on transfers and Jucos, Rysheed and CO, and bring over a few of his guys from Buffalo and 2015-2016 might not be so bad after all.
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R they verbals or signed LOI's?
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From Zags article it seems pretty clear Lavin thnks he's back...guess we will all find out this week.
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I want to get a guy in here that will be here for 20 years and grow a program--not just coach a team.
There are some attractive candidates like Miller, Marshall, and Smart. Those are home runs. There is a possible big-timer in Donovan as well.
Bobby Hurley is the guy I keep coming back to.
-Local guy
-Connections throughout most fertile recruiting grounds in country
-A pedigree that can't be matched by anyone
-A tough, smart former player and coach kids will line up to pay for
-Outstanding success at every level as a player and coach
-Winner, hard worker, good x's and o's are how he is universally described
-Coached college in NYC and coached in a big conference at Rhode Island
-Recruited NYC, NJ, and the entire state of NY in five years as a coach
-Proven ability to recruit transfers and JUCOs
-Has rebuilt three programs very quickly
Did you swallow the whole bottle of your prescribed meds? :) You've come back to us and are now making sense and speaking in reality and with such clarity. Would add Danny H to the list as well as taking a shot albeit a long one at Billy D, can't hurt to inquire abd can be done immediately.
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I want to get a guy in here that will be here for 20 years and grow a program--not just coach a team.
There are some attractive candidates like Miller, Marshall, and Smart. Those are home runs. There is a possible big-timer in Donovan as well.
Bobby Hurley is the guy I keep coming back to.
-Local guy
-Connections throughout most fertile recruiting grounds in country
-A pedigree that can't be matched by anyone
-A tough, smart former player and coach kids will line up to pay for
-Outstanding success at every level as a player and coach
-Winner, hard worker, good x's and o's are how he is universally described
-Coached college in NYC and coached in a big conference at Rhode Island
-Recruited NYC, NJ, and the entire state of NY in five years as a coach
-Proven ability to recruit transfers and JUCOs
-Has rebuilt three programs very quickly
Did you swallow the whole bottle of your prescribed meds? :) You've come back to us and are now making sense and speaking in reality and with such clarity. Would add Danny H to the list as well as taking a shot albeit a long one at Billy D, can't hurt to inquire abd can be done immediately.
I think the appropriate time to discuss a coaching change is after the season when you have a competitive team. Had we won this game, I could have continued to stay behind Lavin, but SDSU was not a good team and we didn't really have a chance. Buffalo would have beaten them.
Danny doesn't have the same appeal to me with Bobby gone. I think he'll be successful, but Bobby has so much credibility as a former player that kids will line up to play for him and actually listen to him once they arrive.
He has proven that he is very creative with getting quality players. His two young PGs could start for us. His PF, the MAC player of the year, that he signed days after being hired last year, could star for us.
I have no doubt that if we hired him now, he'd fill out this roster with a team that could dance next season.
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I should add, that Bobby has been actively recruiting the top JUCO programs in the country: Indian Hills (Dwight Hardy), Midland, Barton, and Chipola and the whole Florida circuit. He's seen and recruited better kids than the great class he's added and he's formed relationships with the coaches. He has also played the D-1 transfer game well.
I'd think both of his fantastic young guards would follow him and sit out a year. I thought I heard that the MAC player of the year PF would be graduating, but could be wrong on that. I know he started at Toledo but didn't play due to his heart condition, spent a year at JUCO, and just finished his second year at Buffalo. I could see him following Hurley as well even if he wasn't immediately eligible via graduate transfer.
Trim some of the fat like Christian Jones, try to retain CO and Rysheed, keep Doughty and Sampson committed, add a couple of Jucos and/or graduate transfers, and fill out the roster with the best 2-3 guys from Buffalo.
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Good plan but taking a coach is one thing you usually don't see devastating the other program of players too. Maybe one or two. For those who want to retain Lavin-remember last year when he said it would take until Feb or March to jell? That was with a veteran team and a 5 game summer season. What do you think would happen next year with a whole new team? Lavin would experiment for 30 games, juggling the lineup and say we will jell by May or June. No thank you.
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Good plan but taking a coach is one thing you usually don't see devastating the other program of players too. Maybe one or two. For those who want to retain Lavin-remember last year when he said it would take until Feb or March to jell? That was with a veteran team and a 5 game summer season. What do you think would happen next year with a whole new team? Lavin would experiment for 30 games, juggling the lineup and say we will jell by May or June. No thank you.
True. I remember Chudney following Fran to SJU from Manhattan. I think Bobby would want to leave Buffalo intact--and I think that is typically the right thing to do--but the fact of the matter is those kids--especially the two guards--went to Buffalo to play for Bobby Hurley and surely wouldn't have considered it without him. One of those kid was the #39 ranked PG in the country. It would be wrong in that situation to deny them the opportunity to finish their careers with him.
Mahalich brought two transfers with him from Niagara to Hofstra.
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I'm close with all the Hurley's and I like Bobby a lot but he hasn't proven a thing yet. There is a big difference in recruiting in Mid-American vs Big East. I'm not saying he can't be successful but it's a risk.
If the school wants Danny they'd need to make a significant offer than URI wouldn't be able to compete with otherwise he'd stay put and bet on himself to do well next season with a very talented A-10 team. If Seton Hall flops next year, Willard won't be able to survive despite his boy being the AD and they'll probably go after Danny hard.
Archie Miller is in same situation as Danny. His sights are well beyond St. John's.
Repole is gonna push Massiello and money talks. This scares me.
I still think staying put is the best option.
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Dave, I pretty much agree 100%.
Mas could be a disaster. Hurley and Miller aren't coming.
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Boo I've heard the same on Archie but not with Danny. You guys think Danny would not view SJU as a long term job?
Dave - Any idea on why Repole prefers Mass?
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Bobby Hurley hasn't proven a thing? He's got a great 2 year record and a NCAA appearance. Also they were close to winning a game.
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This is nothing personal in regards to Dave because I think he always has great insight, but I always hate the "hasn't proven anything" argument when it comes to discrediting up-and-coming coaches for us.
For all of the head coaches in the Big East right now, how many were 'proven' already at a high major level?
Before their current jobs:
Jay Wright: Head Coach at Hofstra
JT3: Head Coach at Princeton
Ed Cooley: Head Coach at Fairfield
Greg McDermott: Head Coach at Iowa State (Never reached postseason in 4 years)
Steve Wojciechowski: No previous Head Coaching experience
Chris Mack: No previous Head Coaching experience
Chris Holtmann: Head Coach at Gardner-Webb
Kevin Willard: Head Coach at Iona
And yet I'd say most of these teams are fairly happy with their head coaches.
Edit: Originally forgot about Willard.
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I'm close with all the Hurley's and I like Bobby a lot but he hasn't proven a thing yet. There is a big difference in recruiting in Mid-American vs Big East. I'm not saying he can't be successful but it's a risk.
If the school wants Danny they'd need to make a significant offer than URI wouldn't be able to compete with otherwise he'd stay put and bet on himself to do well next season with a very talented A-10 team. If Seton Hall flops next year, Willard won't be able to survive despite his boy being the AD and they'll probably go after Danny hard.
Archie Miller is in same situation as Danny. His sights are well beyond St. John's.
Repole is gonna push Massiello and money talks. This scares me.
I still think staying put is the best option.
why do u think repole will push masiello?
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I'm close with all the Hurley's and I like Bobby a lot but he hasn't proven a thing yet. There is a big difference in recruiting in Mid-American vs Big East. I'm not saying he can't be successful but it's a risk.
If the school wants Danny they'd need to make a significant offer than URI wouldn't be able to compete with otherwise he'd stay put and bet on himself to do well next season with a very talented A-10 team. If Seton Hall flops next year, Willard won't be able to survive despite his boy being the AD and they'll probably go after Danny hard.
Archie Miller is in same situation as Danny. His sights are well beyond St. John's.
Repole is gonna push Massiello and money talks. This scares me.
I still think staying put is the best option.
why do u think repole will push masiello?
More importantly, he's not pushing for the current regime
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Hope Dave is wrong but if he is not and our highest aspiration is Masiello than we are truly doomed to be mired in the morass we have been in since Lou retired, in which case I will need to divorce myself from the morass and go after more ass. :)
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Hope Dave is wrong but if he is not and our highest aspiration is Masiello than we are truly doomed to be mired in the morass we have been in since Lou retired, in which case I will need to divorce myself from the morass and go after more ass. :)
:2funny:
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This is nothing personal in regards to Dave because I think he always has great insight, but I always hate the "hasn't proven anything" argument when it comes to discrediting up-and-coming coaches for us.
For all of the head coaches in the Big East right now, how many were 'proven' already at a high major level?
Before their current jobs:
Jay Wright: Head Coach at Hofstra
JT3: Head Coach at Princeton
Ed Cooley: Head Coach at Fairfield
Greg McDermott: Head Coach at Iowa State (Never reached postseason in 4 years)
Steve Wojciechowski: No previous Head Coaching experience
Chris Mack: No previous Head Coaching experience
Chris Holtmann: Head Coach at Gardner-Webb
Kevin Willard: Head Coach at Iona
And yet I'd say most of these teams are fairly happy with their head coaches.
Edit: Originally forgot about Willard.
That's a thorough post. No guarantees in life, and certainly not in college basketball. Some young "unproven" coaches will turn out to be stars, and others won't. The ratio of success to failure is heavily waded towards failure. There are 32 teams playing after the opening round. 300 coaches are packing up their shit.
I like Massiello. I'm not saying he's my first choice, but I like some of the things he does as a coach. I like some of the things Lavin has done as well, but they are by and large not taking place on the court. Massiello, from what I can see, has more in common with Lou than you might think if you think of Lou as someone who is always this nice sweet old man. He is a nice a sweet old man, but when he was is coaching, he was nuts, too.
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Hope Dave is wrong but if he is not and our highest aspiration is Masiello than we are truly doomed to be mired in the morass we have been in since Lou retired, in which case I will need to divorce myself from the morass and go after more ass. :)
How does Massiello equal doomed? What's wrong with him? I think he's a damn good coach.
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Hope Dave is wrong but if he is not and our highest aspiration is Masiello than we are truly doomed to be mired in the morass we have been in since Lou retired, in which case I will need to divorce myself from the morass and go after more ass. :)
How does Massiello equal doomed? What's wrong with him? I think he's a damn good coach.
Didn't really mean doomed (hyperbole) but was hoping to aim higher.
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Dave why is Repole a Mas fan and not Cluess. Is the new president tuned into Repole ?
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Dave why is Repole a Mas fan and not Cluess. Is the new president tuned into Repole ?
But you can be sure he knows where the money lives.
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Masiello, with Manhattan, was giving a damn good Louisville team a run for their money in the tournament last year while we were getting embarrassed by Robert Morris in the NIT but somehow we're doomed if we get rid of the chronic underachiever we have now for the chronic overachiever Masiello? What planet do I live on
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Masiello, with Manhattan, was giving a damn good Louisville team a run for their money in the tournament last year while we were getting embarrassed by Robert Morris in the NIT but somehow we're doomed if we get rid of the chronic underachiever we have now for the chronic overachiever Masiello? What planet do I live on
Has Lavin ever even been in the game against Louisville? Imagine if he had to go up against Massiello. That is a huge mismatch.
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This is nothing personal in regards to Dave because I think he always has great insight, but I always hate the "hasn't proven anything" argument when it comes to discrediting up-and-coming coaches for us.
For all of the head coaches in the Big East right now, how many were 'proven' already at a high major level?
Before their current jobs:
Jay Wright: Head Coach at Hofstra
JT3: Head Coach at Princeton
Ed Cooley: Head Coach at Fairfield
Greg McDermott: Head Coach at Iowa State (Never reached postseason in 4 years)
Steve Wojciechowski: No previous Head Coaching experience
Chris Mack: No previous Head Coaching experience
Chris Holtmann: Head Coach at Gardner-Webb
Kevin Willard: Head Coach at Iona
And yet I'd say most of these teams are fairly happy with their head coaches.
Edit: Originally forgot about Willard.
It's not to say they can't be successful, aren't or won't be a great coach but it's simply a risky choice.
It's tough to project success at higher levels without proven results. There are always exceptions to this rule. Bo Ryan was a DIII coach and Wisconsin is one of the best programs in the country annually.
At this point in time for St. John's I wouldn't want to get rid of Lavin for an unproven coach who HOPEFULLY does better. Just my opinion.
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Boo I've heard the same on Archie but not with Danny. You guys think Danny would not view SJU as a long term job?
Dave - Any idea on why Repole prefers Mass?
St. John's didn't get Jermaine Lawrence and Manhattan did.
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Boo I've heard the same on Archie but not with Danny. You guys think Danny would not view SJU as a long term job?
Dave - Any idea on why Repole prefers Mass?
St. John's didn't get Jermaine Lawrence and Manhattan did.
Isn't that a good thing? From what I've seen from Lawrence, he's outclassed in the MAAC. He should have gone to St.Francis.
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This is nothing personal in regards to Dave because I think he always has great insight, but I always hate the "hasn't proven anything" argument when it comes to discrediting up-and-coming coaches for us.
For all of the head coaches in the Big East right now, how many were 'proven' already at a high major level?
Before their current jobs:
Jay Wright: Head Coach at Hofstra
JT3: Head Coach at Princeton
Ed Cooley: Head Coach at Fairfield
Greg McDermott: Head Coach at Iowa State (Never reached postseason in 4 years)
Steve Wojciechowski: No previous Head Coaching experience
Chris Mack: No previous Head Coaching experience
Chris Holtmann: Head Coach at Gardner-Webb
Kevin Willard: Head Coach at Iona
And yet I'd say most of these teams are fairly happy with their head coaches.
Edit: Originally forgot about Willard.
It's not to say they can't be successful, aren't or won't be a great coach but it's simply a risky choice.
It's tough to project success at higher levels without proven results. There are always exceptions to this rule. Bo Ryan was a DIII coach and Wisconsin is one of the best programs in the country annually.
At this point in time for St. John's I wouldn't want to get rid of Lavin for an unproven coach who HOPEFULLY does better. Just my opinion.
But we know what Lavin is, and thats an underachiever. Why wouldn't it be smart to take a chance on a guy that could be the next Bo Ryan/Shaka etc. To me the only reason to want to keep Lavin at this point is because you are content with the mediocrity of the program
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This is nothing personal in regards to Dave because I think he always has great insight, but I always hate the "hasn't proven anything" argument when it comes to discrediting up-and-coming coaches for us.
For all of the head coaches in the Big East right now, how many were 'proven' already at a high major level?
Before their current jobs:
Jay Wright: Head Coach at Hofstra
JT3: Head Coach at Princeton
Ed Cooley: Head Coach at Fairfield
Greg McDermott: Head Coach at Iowa State (Never reached postseason in 4 years)
Steve Wojciechowski: No previous Head Coaching experience
Chris Mack: No previous Head Coaching experience
Chris Holtmann: Head Coach at Gardner-Webb
Kevin Willard: Head Coach at Iona
And yet I'd say most of these teams are fairly happy with their head coaches.
Edit: Originally forgot about Willard.
It's not to say they can't be successful, aren't or won't be a great coach but it's simply a risky choice.
It's tough to project success at higher levels without proven results. There are always exceptions to this rule. Bo Ryan was a DIII coach and Wisconsin is one of the best programs in the country annually.
At this point in time for St. John's I wouldn't want to get rid of Lavin for an unproven coach who HOPEFULLY does better. Just my opinion.
But we know what Lavin is, and thats an underachiever. Why wouldn't it be smart to take a chance on a guy that could be the next Bo Ryan/Shaka etc.
So what if you take a chance and are wrong? Have to consider best and worst case scenario.
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This is nothing personal in regards to Dave because I think he always has great insight, but I always hate the "hasn't proven anything" argument when it comes to discrediting up-and-coming coaches for us.
For all of the head coaches in the Big East right now, how many were 'proven' already at a high major level?
Before their current jobs:
Jay Wright: Head Coach at Hofstra
JT3: Head Coach at Princeton
Ed Cooley: Head Coach at Fairfield
Greg McDermott: Head Coach at Iowa State (Never reached postseason in 4 years)
Steve Wojciechowski: No previous Head Coaching experience
Chris Mack: No previous Head Coaching experience
Chris Holtmann: Head Coach at Gardner-Webb
Kevin Willard: Head Coach at Iona
And yet I'd say most of these teams are fairly happy with their head coaches.
Edit: Originally forgot about Willard.
It's not to say they can't be successful, aren't or won't be a great coach but it's simply a risky choice.
It's tough to project success at higher levels without proven results. There are always exceptions to this rule. Bo Ryan was a DIII coach and Wisconsin is one of the best programs in the country annually.
At this point in time for St. John's I wouldn't want to get rid of Lavin for an unproven coach who HOPEFULLY does better. Just my opinion.
But we know what Lavin is, and thats an underachiever. Why wouldn't it be smart to take a chance on a guy that could be the next Bo Ryan/Shaka etc.
So what if you take a chance and are wrong? Have to consider best and worst case scenario.
I have considered it. If we take a chance and are wrong then we still aren't finishing 4th or better in the conference or winning games in the BET or NCAA tourney. We'll be slightly worse than where we are now. Take a chance on an up and coming guy and we can be in a much better position than where we currently are
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This is nothing personal in regards to Dave because I think he always has great insight, but I always hate the "hasn't proven anything" argument when it comes to discrediting up-and-coming coaches for us.
For all of the head coaches in the Big East right now, how many were 'proven' already at a high major level?
Before their current jobs:
Jay Wright: Head Coach at Hofstra
JT3: Head Coach at Princeton
Ed Cooley: Head Coach at Fairfield
Greg McDermott: Head Coach at Iowa State (Never reached postseason in 4 years)
Steve Wojciechowski: No previous Head Coaching experience
Chris Mack: No previous Head Coaching experience
Chris Holtmann: Head Coach at Gardner-Webb
Kevin Willard: Head Coach at Iona
And yet I'd say most of these teams are fairly happy with their head coaches.
Edit: Originally forgot about Willard.
It's not to say they can't be successful, aren't or won't be a great coach but it's simply a risky choice.
It's tough to project success at higher levels without proven results. There are always exceptions to this rule. Bo Ryan was a DIII coach and Wisconsin is one of the best programs in the country annually.
At this point in time for St. John's I wouldn't want to get rid of Lavin for an unproven coach who HOPEFULLY does better. Just my opinion.
But we know what Lavin is, and thats an underachiever. Why wouldn't it be smart to take a chance on a guy that could be the next Bo Ryan/Shaka etc.
So what if you take a chance and are wrong? Have to consider best and worst case scenario.
I have considered it. If we take a chance and are wrong then we still aren't finishing 4th or better in the conference or winning games in the BET or NCAA tourney. We'll be slightly worse than where we are now. Take a chance on an up and coming guy and we can be in a much better position than where we currently are
So worst case scenario St. John's is DePaul in the Purnell years. It's a realistic scenario.
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Boo I've heard the same on Archie but not with Danny. You guys think Danny would not view SJU as a long term job?
Dave - Any idea on why Repole prefers Mass?
St. John's didn't get Jermaine Lawrence and Manhattan did.
Isn't that a good thing? From what I've seen from Lawrence, he's outclassed in the MAAC. He should have gone to St.Francis.
I don't think you understand. Think about what I said some more.
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If he would come and the administration would go along I would be happy with Larry Brown even for the few years he has left,
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This is nothing personal in regards to Dave because I think he always has great insight, but I always hate the "hasn't proven anything" argument when it comes to discrediting up-and-coming coaches for us.
For all of the head coaches in the Big East right now, how many were 'proven' already at a high major level?
Before their current jobs:
Jay Wright: Head Coach at Hofstra
JT3: Head Coach at Princeton
Ed Cooley: Head Coach at Fairfield
Greg McDermott: Head Coach at Iowa State (Never reached postseason in 4 years)
Steve Wojciechowski: No previous Head Coaching experience
Chris Mack: No previous Head Coaching experience
Chris Holtmann: Head Coach at Gardner-Webb
Kevin Willard: Head Coach at Iona
And yet I'd say most of these teams are fairly happy with their head coaches.
Edit: Originally forgot about Willard.
It's not to say they can't be successful, aren't or won't be a great coach but it's simply a risky choice.
It's tough to project success at higher levels without proven results. There are always exceptions to this rule. Bo Ryan was a DIII coach and Wisconsin is one of the best programs in the country annually.
At this point in time for St. John's I wouldn't want to get rid of Lavin for an unproven coach who HOPEFULLY does better. Just my opinion.
But we know what Lavin is, and thats an underachiever. Why wouldn't it be smart to take a chance on a guy that could be the next Bo Ryan/Shaka etc.
So what if you take a chance and are wrong? Have to consider best and worst case scenario.
I have considered it. If we take a chance and are wrong then we still aren't finishing 4th or better in the conference or winning games in the BET or NCAA tourney. We'll be slightly worse than where we are now. Take a chance on an up and coming guy and we can be in a much better position than where we currently are
So worst case scenario St. John's is DePaul in the Purnell years. It's a realistic scenario.
That is on one extreme end of the spectrum. That is about as realistic as the other extreme end of the spectrum of our next hire being the next Brad Stevens and taking us to two final 4s in a row.
Realistic worst case scenario is we become a program like how Seton Hall has been lately and they have even been in the tourney hunt here and there over the past 6 years. Realistic best case scenario is we become a program like Xavier. Consistent NCAA tourney appearances, wins in the tourney here and there with the occasional down year. I think we would all sign up for that
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In a few years, when Lavin has us in the Final Four, I hope all of you people are man enough to stand on line to apologize.
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Went on fb and this popped up
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In a few years, when Lavin has us in the Final Four, I hope all of you people are man enough to stand on line to apologize.
I will apologize. Then I'll wake up
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Boo I've heard the same on Archie but not with Danny. You guys think Danny would not view SJU as a long term job?
Dave - Any idea on why Repole prefers Mass?
St. John's didn't get Jermaine Lawrence and Manhattan did.
Isn't that a good thing? From what I've seen from Lawrence, he's outclassed in the MAAC. He should have gone to St.Francis.
I don't think you understand. Think about what I said some more.
You're right, I don't think I do. Are you trying to say that Massiello picked a bad apple?
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Boo I've heard the same on Archie but not with Danny. You guys think Danny would not view SJU as a long term job?
Dave - Any idea on why Repole prefers Mass?
St. John's didn't get Jermaine Lawrence and Manhattan did.
Isn't that a good thing? From what I've seen from Lawrence, he's outclassed in the MAAC. He should have gone to St.Francis.
I don't think you understand. Think about what I said some more.
You're right, I don't think I do. Are you trying to say that Massiello picked a bad apple?
He had enough swagger to pull a former 5 star to the Bronx even though a high major that formerly recruited him couldn't get him back.
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He's saying Mas out recruited Lavin.
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Mass may have out recruited Lavin, but is he glad that he did? When Jones ended up at Iona instead of St.John's, that one was a tough loss, but Lawrence is practically invisible.
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Boo I've heard the same on Archie but not with Danny. You guys think Danny would not view SJU as a long term job?
Dave - Any idea on why Repole prefers Mass?
St. John's didn't get Jermaine Lawrence and Manhattan did.
Isn't that a good thing? From what I've seen from Lawrence, he's outclassed in the MAAC. He should have gone to St.Francis.
I don't think you understand. Think about what I said some more.
You're right, I don't think I do. Are you trying to say that Massiello picked a bad apple?
He had enough swagger to pull a former 5 star to the Bronx even though a high major that formerly recruited him couldn't get him back.
5 Star should be better able to score more than 5PT/2R's a game in the MAAC--maybe there is a reason he went to MC--did not click at Cin in the AAC. Don't understand the love affair with Massiello--look at the whole body of work NON MAAC record/3rd place in MAAC and loss to under 500 team in NCAA. He would be a step backwards not an improvement. If he can't beat Hampton, how will he compete in BE. Another Willard--if that is what you. I do not.
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Agree redslope. Mediocre year at best, lost to under five hundred Hampton from lesser conference in a 16 seed game. At least last year his star shown brighter, well until the transcript fiasco.
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Boo I've heard the same on Archie but not with Danny. You guys think Danny would not view SJU as a long term job?
Dave - Any idea on why Repole prefers Mass?
St. John's didn't get Jermaine Lawrence and Manhattan did.
Isn't that a good thing? From what I've seen from Lawrence, he's outclassed in the MAAC. He should have gone to St.Francis.
I don't think you understand. Think about what I said some more.
You're right, I don't think I do. Are you trying to say that Massiello picked a bad apple?
He had enough swagger to pull a former 5 star to the Bronx even though a high major that formerly recruited him couldn't get him back.
5 Star should be better able to score more than 5PT/2R's a game in the MAAC--maybe there is a reason he went to MC--did not click at Cin in the AAC. Don't understand the love affair with Massiello--look at the whole body of work NON MAAC record/3rd place in MAAC and loss to under 500 team in NCAA. He would be a step backwards not an improvement. If he can't beat Hampton, how will he compete in BE. Another Willard--if that is what you. I do not.
We're side tracked. Going back to Dave's discussion, this was about just why Repole might be behind a push for Mas. This isn't about the statistical/record facts you presented, which might be more important to us rather than him.
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Boo I've heard the same on Archie but not with Danny. You guys think Danny would not view SJU as a long term job?
Dave - Any idea on why Repole prefers Mass?
St. John's didn't get Jermaine Lawrence and Manhattan did.
Isn't that a good thing? From what I've seen from Lawrence, he's outclassed in the MAAC. He should have gone to St.Francis.
I don't think you understand. Think about what I said some more.
You're right, I don't think I do. Are you trying to say that Massiello picked a bad apple?
He had enough swagger to pull a former 5 star to the Bronx even though a high major that formerly recruited him couldn't get him back.
5 Star should be better able to score more than 5PT/2R's a game in the MAAC--maybe there is a reason he went to MC--did not click at Cin in the AAC. Don't understand the love affair with Massiello--look at the whole body of work NON MAAC record/3rd place in MAAC and loss to under 500 team in NCAA. He would be a step backwards not an improvement. If he can't beat Hampton, how will he compete in BE. Another Willard--if that is what you. I do not.
"Look at the whole body of work" ......exactly. Are we doing that with Lavin?
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If that is the case than MR isn't as sharp as we all think he is because he should consider redslopes points. However, I doubt that is the case as successful as he is I am sure he is very smart. Maybe he thought that way when Mas first beat us out for Lawrence but with the benefit of hind sight maybe he changed his mind.
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I'm close with all the Hurley's and I like Bobby a lot but he hasn't proven a thing yet.
To say Bobby Hurley hasn't proven enough is debatable, but to say that Hurley hasn't "proven a thing" is just foolish and flat out false.
Two years ago, I would have agreed with you. Hell, after last season I might have agreed with you, but he made the dance and his team played a five seed down to the last seconds. They showed more fight than we did against an eight seed. His Buffalo team was beating undefeated soon-to-be national champion, Kentucky, by five at the half in Lexington and they were up on Wisconsin in Madison at the half as well.
Bobby took over for a fired coach that won only 14 games prior. He signed a guy in a matter of days that won the MAC Player of the year this year. He signed a dynamic point guard in his first month that just averaged 15.4 and 4.6 and dropped 15 on West Virginia. He followed that up by signing a fantastic freshman PG this past season that can play in the Big East and went for 8 and 6 against WV.
This year he signed a top Juco prospect from Midland and a former top 75 recruit--to SUNY BUFFALO--a team that never danced before Hurley took over. His credibility among high school guards is out of this world. He would have landed IB if he were here...no doubt in my mind.
Is there a risk with taking a guy that essentially was only a co-head coach for three years and a head coach in the MAC for just two years? Sure. But, unlike Norm Roberts, everything in this guy's past suggests he will excel here.
How many winning seasons in the MAC would Bobby have to have for you think he has accomplished something? Because Buffalo is going to win 30 games next season, and then it will be too late.
He's proven he can identify and develop talent. He's proven he can recruit transfers. He's proven he can recruit JUCOs. He's proven he's a strong x's and o's coach. He's proven he can game plan. He's proven he can motivate his team. He's proven he can rebuild a program.
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But can B Hurley use 3 metaphors every time he wants to make a point? ;)
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read this, kind of funny. Its not just us. On the night of their embarrassing loss the Nova fans feel the same way alot of us do about lavin and they go on to say " The Big East needs SJU to be good."
https://villanova.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=1159&tid=179629430&mid=179629430&sid=1000&style=2
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read this, kind of funny. Its not just us. On the night of their embarrassing loss the Nova fans feel the same way alot of us do about lavin and they go on to say " The Big East needs SJU to be good."
https://villanova.rivals.com/showmsg.asp?fid=1159&tid=179629430&mid=179629430&sid=1000&style=2
The Big East needs SJU, Nova, and Georgetown to be top 25 schools every year and for 3-4 others (Marquette, Xavier, Butler, SH) to make the dance most years.
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I just thought it was fitting because their fans feel the same way as ours about Lavin.
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I just thought it was fitting because their fans feel the same way as ours about Lavin.
Sorry, missed that point. Yeah, they all think we should hire Bobby Hurley :) They all seem to think we had the most talented starting five and one poster went as far to say he felt bad for the kids that had to play for Lavin.
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::facepalm:: You guys don't get it.
I really can't spell it out more than I did.
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Playing hypotheticals assuming you had to hire a new coach and I was running the show I wouldn't be looking at all these up and comers. I'd go out and lure Jim Calhoun out of retirement. Even if he coaches here for 3 years he'd have this place rolling.
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::facepalm:: You guys don't get it.
I really can't spell it out more than I did.
Might be mistaken, but i think you are saying Repole helped Mas land Lawrence.
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Playing hypotheticals assuming you had to hire a new coach and I was running the show I wouldn't be looking at all these up and comers. I'd go out and lure Jim Calhoun out of retirement. Even if he coaches here for 3 years he'd have this place rolling.
As much as I don't like the guy, i agree that is the most logical way to go. Up and comers fail more than succeed, just a fact. Either replace Lavin with better or leave it alone.
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::facepalm:: You guys don't get it.
I really can't spell it out more than I did.
If every student fails to see the lesson, it usually means it was the teacher's fault.
Remember, if we were bright, we wouldn't be SJU fans.
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I'm guessing Repole helped Massiello get Jermaine Lawrence with the expectation that it would help Massiello redeem himself and, thereby, put him in a position for the St. John's job.
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so let me get this straight, Repole helps Manhattan get Lawrence to aid Masiello. Manhattan stands by Masiello during his transcript process and we potentially offer Masiello the SJU job and he accepts. Class guy!
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so let me get this straight, Repole helps Manhattan get Lawrence to aid Masiello. Manhattan stands by Masiello during his transcript process and we potentially offer Masiello the SJU job and he accepts. Class guy!
Oh please, so if your company helps you out but another company that is better and will pay you more offers you a job you will say no? Him moving on doesn't mean he has no class, so please stop with that stuff. 99% of the people would move on.
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Playing hypotheticals assuming you had to hire a new coach and I was running the show I wouldn't be looking at all these up and comers. I'd go out and lure Jim Calhoun out of retirement. Even if he coaches here for 3 years he'd have this place rolling.
So only a pretty sure-fire game changer. Makes sense if you want certainty of avoiding another very rough patch.
To a large extent, Lavin has made the STJ job more desirable than it was during last Admins and turmoil. Hopefully, some stability occurs up top.
Moving forward, I hope whoever we have as AD can get on a run with a string of coaches like Xavier and Marquette have done the past 20 years. Whether coaches can get along well with Prez/AD may determine the future as much as each coaching hire.
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Playing hypotheticals assuming you had to hire a new coach and I was running the show I wouldn't be looking at all these up and comers. I'd go out and lure Jim Calhoun out of retirement. Even if he coaches here for 3 years he'd have this place rolling.
You want to keep Lavin because he represents stability, but if you replace him you want a guy who's going to coach three years?
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Playing hypotheticals assuming you had to hire a new coach and I was running the show I wouldn't be looking at all these up and comers. I'd go out and lure Jim Calhoun out of retirement. Even if he coaches here for 3 years he'd have this place rolling.
You want to keep Lavin because he represents stability, but if you replace him you want a guy who's going to coach three years?
Exhuming Red Holzman's body is probably next on the "Veterans" list. :)
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Playing hypotheticals assuming you had to hire a new coach and I was running the show I wouldn't be looking at all these up and comers. I'd go out and lure Jim Calhoun out of retirement. Even if he coaches here for 3 years he'd have this place rolling.
You want to keep Lavin because he represents stability, but if you replace him you want a guy who's going to coach three years?
I do. I was playing devils advocate.
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Lawrence went to Manhattan BECAUSE of Repole. He's friends with Mas. He is not a friend of this staff any longer, and hasn't been "helping" in recent years.
And it's worth asking, if Lavin doesn't have the assist of people like Mike R, how successful can he be recruiting in the future?
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What does Repole have to do with recruiting, if your running a clean program?
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He is a major donor to the school.
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He is a major donor to the school.
That doesn't answer the question of what he has to do with recruiting.
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Gee, why would Repole have a problem with the job Lavin's done here? Just because Lavin has only won one BE tourney game, and zero NCAA tourney games is no reason not to be satisfied with s coach who's better than Norm Roberts.
I wonder how many BE coaches Lavin will be better than after Depaul hires Ben Howland?
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I hate jim Calhoun . Would be his biggest fan ever if he was hired. Not a home run. Walk off grand slam to win World Series home run. Then we get a young coach. Who has a chance.
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I hate jim Calhoun . Would be his biggest fan ever if he was hired. Not a home run. Walk off grand slam to win World Series home run. Then we get a young coach. Who has a chance.
Would be the biggest mistake of as he is retired and would cash the checks but not put in the effort at this stage of his life
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so let me get this straight, Repole helps Manhattan get Lawrence to aid Masiello. Manhattan stands by Masiello during his transcript process and we potentially offer Masiello the SJU job and he accepts. Class guy!
Oh please, so if your company helps you out but another company that is better and will pay you more offers you a job you will say no? Him moving on doesn't mean he has no class, so please stop with that stuff. 99% of the people would move on.
maybe that is true, but I wouldn't hire them and I know a lot of CEOs who wouldn't either. Where would Massiello be without Manhattan this year? It would have been easy to let him go. I think Massiello owes Manhattan a few years.
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I hate jim Calhoun . Would be his biggest fan ever if he was hired. Not a home run. Walk off grand slam to win World Series home run. Then we get a young coach. Who has a chance.
Would be the biggest mistake of as he is retired and would cash the checks but not put in the effort at this stage of his life
One could argue Lavin has been doing some of that himself.
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I hate jim Calhoun . Would be his biggest fan ever if he was hired. Not a home run. Walk off grand slam to win World Series home run. Then we get a young coach. Who has a chance.
What price glory?
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Looks like Howland is in line to take the Miss St.job. SJU better act quickly. Like tomorrow
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Give Miller 2 per and he'll make up any deficit.
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I hate jim Calhoun . Would be his biggest fan ever if he was hired. Not a home run. Walk off grand slam to win World Series home run. Then we get a young coach. Who has a chance.
Would be the biggest mistake of as he is retired and would cash the checks but not put in the effort at this stage of his life
One could argue Lavin has been doing some of that himself.
This is where you lose me and respect for your posts. Get a life and some respect for people. Don't think he is a good coach, fine. the personal stuff is BS
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Baldi don't think we want Howland. No loss IMO.
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Baldi don't think we want Howland. No loss IMO.
Oh hell no. But DePaul did. Now they will look into the same pool as us and they have a vacancy with a great new facility
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Baldi don't think we want Howland. No loss IMO.
Oh hell no. But DePaul did. Now they will look into the same pool as us and they have a vacancy with a great new facility
Why are we competing with DePaul for low/mid level coaches? I thought SJU was a marquee program, should be able to attract the best in the business!!!
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Baldi don't think we want Howland. No loss IMO.
Oh hell no. But DePaul did. Now they will look into the same pool as us and they have a vacancy with a great new facility
Why are we competing with DePaul for low/mid level coaches? I thought SJU was a marquee program, should be able to attract the best in the business!!!
Was
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Baldi don't think we want Howland. No loss IMO.
Oh hell no. But DePaul did. Now they will look into the same pool as us and they have a vacancy with a great new facility
Why are we competing with DePaul for low/mid level coaches? I thought SJU was a marquee program, should be able to attract the best in the business!!!
It was proven we weren't a marquee program when everybody passed on us 5 years ago and we had to settle for Lavin
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I hate jim Calhoun . Would be his biggest fan ever if he was hired. Not a home run. Walk off grand slam to win World Series home run. Then we get a young coach. Who has a chance.
Would be the biggest mistake of as he is retired and would cash the checks but not put in the effort at this stage of his life
One could argue Lavin has been doing some of that himself.
This is where you lose me and respect for your posts. Get a life and some respect for people. Don't think he is a good coach, fine. the personal stuff is BS
That's fair. But I'm not trying to be loved by you Shamsman.
It's been rumored that he showed up just before tip-off for the NIT game last year, which became a disaster.
His recruiting the last two seasons has been less than spectacular, and local coaches say they don't see enough of him at their games/practices.
An inference can certainly be drawn from that, that SL isn't giving this job his full attention. You can disagree, but that's where I'm coming from.
It's not personal, I don't think he drowns puppies. But from what I've heard I think it's possible that he's not giving us full effort.
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I hate jim Calhoun . Would be his biggest fan ever if he was hired. Not a home run. Walk off grand slam to win World Series home run. Then we get a young coach. Who has a chance.
Would be the biggest mistake of as he is retired and would cash the checks but not put in the effort at this stage of his life
One could argue Lavin has been doing some of that himself.
This is where you lose me and respect for your posts. Get a life and some respect for people. Don't think he is a good coach, fine. the personal stuff is BS
That's fair. But I'm not trying to be loved by you Shamsman.
It's been rumored that he showed up just before tip-off for the NIT game last year, which became a disaster.
His recruiting the last two seasons has been less than spectacular, and local coaches say they don't see enough of him at their games/practices.
An inference can certainly be drawn from that, that SL isn't giving this job his full attention. You can disagree, but that's where I'm coming from.
It's not personal, I don't think he drowns puppies. But from what I've heard I think it's possible that he's not giving us full effort.
Puppies in sweats?
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I hate jim Calhoun . Would be his biggest fan ever if he was hired. Not a home run. Walk off grand slam to win World Series home run. Then we get a young coach. Who has a chance.
Would be the biggest mistake of as he is retired and would cash the checks but not put in the effort at this stage of his life
One could argue Lavin has been doing some of that himself.
This is where you lose me and respect for your posts. Get a life and some respect for people. Don't think he is a good coach, fine. the personal stuff is BS
That's fair. But I'm not trying to be loved by you Shamsman.
It's been rumored that he showed up just before tip-off for the NIT game last year, which became a disaster.
His recruiting the last two seasons has been less than spectacular, and local coaches say they don't see enough of him at their games/practices.
An inference can certainly be drawn from that, that SL isn't giving this job his full attention. You can disagree, but that's where I'm coming from.
It's not personal, I don't think he drowns puppies. But from what I've heard I think it's possible that he's not giving us full effort.
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Give Desc a pass for today....he must be devastated that his poll didnt turn out the way he hoped.
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I hate jim Calhoun . Would be his biggest fan ever if he was hired. Not a home run. Walk off grand slam to win World Series home run. Then we get a young coach. Who has a chance.
Would be the biggest mistake of as he is retired and would cash the checks but not put in the effort at this stage of his life
One could argue Lavin has been doing some of that himself.
This is where you lose me and respect for your posts. Get a life and some respect for people. Don't think he is a good coach, fine. the personal stuff is BS
That's fair. But I'm not trying to be loved by you Shamsman.
It's been rumored that he showed up just before tip-off for the NIT game last year, which became a disaster.
His recruiting the last two seasons has been less than spectacular, and local coaches say they don't see enough of him at their games/practices.
An inference can certainly be drawn from that, that SL isn't giving this job his full attention. You can disagree, but that's where I'm coming from.
It's not personal, I don't think he drowns puppies. But from what I've heard I think it's possible that he's not giving us full effort.
I'm not his boss, I'm not privy to smoking guns. But from what I've heard and seen, that's the opinion I've formed. But I fully admit that it's not all concrete. Hopefully his bosses know what's true and what's not.
HNK, I'm not upset by the poll. A lot of people still support the coach, it's just surprising to me, nothing more.
At the end of the day only one person's opinion matters: President Gemespaw
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SG - Brandon Sampson
SG - Myles Stewart
SF - Christian Jones
PF - Amar Alibegovic
C - Adonis Delarosa
Bench:
SF - Felix Balamou
SG- Sammy Thompkins
C- Joey Delarosa
SG - Samir Doughty
SG - Jay Henderson
IMO, Lavin has put the program in a position where it will need a legendary recruiting haul this spring just to able to play D1 ball. The current returnees, collectively, do not make up a D1 team. Are we really going to give him an extension despite this?
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Baldi don't think we want Howland. No loss IMO.
Oh hell no. But DePaul did. Now they will look into the same pool as us and they have a vacancy with a great new facility
Why are we competing with DePaul for low/mid level coaches? I thought SJU was a marquee program, should be able to attract the best in the business!!!
Low level D1 coach? Have a look at our record vs this low level D1 coach.
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Desco...I think everyone's surprised by the poll results....I certainly was.....but I guess the anti's are way more active and vocal....that does make sense.
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Desco...I think everyone's surprised by the poll results....I certainly was.....but I guess the anti's are way more active and vocal....that does make sense.
It does. I think there are a lot more traditional redmen fans in Lavin's corner than we expected. They just may not post very often, but they're members here and on RM.
Although, I do think if we ran a poll here the numbers may be a little closer. I think generally speaking the Jungle leans more toward a new coach than Redmen.com.
But thats just a theory.
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There was a poll here......it's about 60 in favor of extending.
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Topic is Lavin.....62% extend him (some extend without a guarantee)
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Topic is Lavin.....62% extend him (some extend without a guarantee)
But the question was what do you think St Johns will do. No?
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Topic is Lavin.....62% extend him (some extend without a guarantee)
Where is that poll?
Edit: Wait a minute, I posted that poll. The question isn't what we want them to do.
It's what will they do?
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Ooops...sorry
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SG - Brandon Sampson
SG - Myles Stewart
SF - Christian Jones
PF - Amar Alibegovic
C - Adonis Delarosa
Bench:
SF - Felix Balamou
SG- Sammy Thompkins
C- Joey Delarosa
SG - Samir Doughty
SG - Jay Henderson
IMO, Lavin has put the program in a position where it will need a legendary recruiting haul this spring just to able to play D1 ball. The current returnees, collectively, do not make up a D1 team. Are we really going to give him an extension despite this?
I'd be willing for a 2-3 year extension with zero buyout. Seriously, buyout should not be more than 500k. I'd present the recent poor recruiting results for the 0-500k figure.
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Desco...I think everyone's surprised by the poll results....I certainly was.....but I guess the anti's are way more active and vocal....that does make sense.
It does. I think there are a lot more traditional redmen fans in Lavin's corner than we expected. They just may not post very often, but they're members here and on RM.
Although, I do think if we ran a poll here the numbers may be a little closer. I think generally speaking the Jungle leans more toward a new coach than Redmen.com.
But thats just a theory.
I want to ask Dave how many voters had 25 posts or less.
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I'd rather u ask him who we are signing in April?
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I'd rather u ask him who we are signing in April?
A new staff
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Is there a chance Iona gets Paschall...close to home for him?
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Is there a chance Iona gets Paschall...close to home for him?
No chance, going bigtime
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I'd rather u ask him who we are signing in April?
64k question? lol
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probably just a rumor , but the guy who covers pitt for rivals tweeted this
Matthew Steinbrink @MattSteinbrink 3h3 hours ago
@jmattera83 Lavin is out. We will see.
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his origional tweet said there is another major opening tomorrow referring to SJU, and he thinks they are working to secure B Hurley
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probably just a rumor , but the guy who covers pitt for rivals tweeted this
Matthew Steinbrink @MattSteinbrink 3h3 hours ago
@jmattera83 Lavin is out. We will see.
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his origional tweet said there is another major opening tomorrow referring to SJU, and he thinks they are working to secure B Hurley
Hope it's true. Bring in dad to be an assistant coach. The new president could mean new life at St.John's.
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I'm close with all the Hurley's and I like Bobby a lot but he hasn't proven a thing yet.
To say Bobby Hurley hasn't proven enough is debatable, but to say that Hurley hasn't "proven a thing" is just foolish and flat out false.
Two years ago, I would have agreed with you. Hell, after last season I might have agreed with you, but he made the dance and his team played a five seed down to the last seconds. They showed more fight than we did against an eight seed. His Buffalo team was beating undefeated soon-to-be national champion, Kentucky, by five at the half in Lexington and they were up on Wisconsin in Madison at the half as well.
Bobby took over for a fired coach that won only 14 games prior. He signed a guy in a matter of days that won the MAC Player of the year this year. He signed a dynamic point guard in his first month that just averaged 15.4 and 4.6 and dropped 15 on West Virginia. He followed that up by signing a fantastic freshman PG this past season that can play in the Big East and went for 8 and 6 against WV.
This year he signed a top Juco prospect from Midland and a former top 75 recruit--to SUNY BUFFALO--a team that never danced before Hurley took over. His credibility among high school guards is out of this world. He would have landed IB if he were here...no doubt in my mind.
Is there a risk with taking a guy that essentially was only a co-head coach for three years and a head coach in the MAC for just two years? Sure. But, unlike Norm Roberts, everything in this guy's past suggests he will excel here.
How many winning seasons in the MAC would Bobby have to have for you think he has accomplished something? Because Buffalo is going to win 30 games next season, and then it will be too late.
He's proven he can identify and develop talent. He's proven he can recruit transfers. He's proven he can recruit JUCOs. He's proven he's a strong x's and o's coach. He's proven he can game plan. He's proven he can motivate his team. He's proven he can rebuild a program.
Given the choice, I'd still rather Dan. That being said, I think Lavin will be the HC next season.
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probably just a rumor , but the guy who covers pitt for rivals tweeted this
Matthew Steinbrink @MattSteinbrink 3h3 hours ago
@jmattera83 Lavin is out. We will see.
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his origional tweet said there is another major opening tomorrow referring to SJU, and he thinks they are working to secure B Hurley
Hope it's true. Bring in dad to be an assistant coach. The new president could mean new life at St.John's.
Imagine Dad would come only if he's otherwise going to retire - he alone is keeping St. Anthony's open isn't he?
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Thanks coach Lavin, Good luck
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Thanks coach Lavin, Good luck
Baldi will have to see how the majority of fans feel about Hurley before declaring if he is pro or con on Hurley .
What is the over under on Marillac bailing on Hurley after team wins 14 games next year?
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Thanks coach Lavin, Good luck
Baldi will have to see how the majority of fans feel about Hurley before declaring if he is pro or con on Hurley .
What is the over under on Marillac bailing on Hurley after team wins 14 games next year?
And then becoming his #1 fan 2 years later when he takes us to the Sweet 16.
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Is there a chance Iona gets Paschall...close to home for him?
No chance, going bigtime
Bigger than Iona? NJIT?
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I love We are SJU and tha kid, Marillac also
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probably just a rumor , but the guy who covers pitt for rivals tweeted this
Matthew Steinbrink @MattSteinbrink 3h3 hours ago
@jmattera83 (http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=906) Lavin is out. We will see.
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his origional tweet said there is another major opening tomorrow referring to SJU, and he thinks they are working to secure B Hurley
Hope it's true. Bring in dad to be an assistant coach. The new president could mean new life at St.John's.
Imagine Dad would come only if he's otherwise going to retire - he alone is keeping St. Anthony's open isn't he?
If he retires the school will close. It is why he has never left. I did some charity work there last year and its truly an amazing place. Help a lot of kids escape from falling through the cracks.
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Hurley Senior is a saint for what he has done for that school and the Jersey city community. Some people can't get past how hard he can be on his players, but he truly believes that this is how he needs to be to get those kids to respond, both on the court and in life. Few people would have stayed in that situation and turned down millions, which Hurley Sr. most certainly has.
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probably just a rumor , but the guy who covers pitt for rivals tweeted this
Matthew Steinbrink @MattSteinbrink 3h3 hours ago
@jmattera83 (http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=906) Lavin is out. We will see.
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his origional tweet said there is another major opening tomorrow referring to SJU, and he thinks they are working to secure B Hurley
Hope it's true. Bring in dad to be an assistant coach. The new president could mean new life at St.John's.
Imagine Dad would come only if he's otherwise going to retire - he alone is keeping St. Anthony's open isn't he?
If he retires the school will close. It is why he has never left. I did some charity work there last year and its truly an amazing place. Help a lot of kids escape from falling through the cracks.
I'm guessing you have Dave, but did everyone else see the documentary on Hurley, Sr. very well done. I think we cannot go wrong with either Hurley or Lavin, just a matter of "more right."
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Bump.
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Bump.
What's Wormer saying today? One day you will be right....and you will rejoice..
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Bump.
What's Wormer saying today? One day you will be right....and you will rejoice..
Soon
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this is all hilarious.
twitter "know it all" JayOn said yesterday 3 year extension.
national media saying extension
respected national college basketball analyst Andy Katz saying extension
Baldi and Albano saying fired.
who to believe.... lol
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Bump.
What's Wormer saying today? One day you will be right....and you will rejoice..
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Still think he's getting fired? How certain, on a scale of 1-10? How about if he's extended, you go on a 1 month break from the Board... If he gets fired, I'll leave for 6 months.... Deal?
Make it interesting....
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I'll throw myself in if Baldi will make it 3 months.
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Bump.
What's Wormer saying today? One day you will be right....and you will rejoice..
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Still think he's getting fired? How certain, on a scale of 1-10? How about if he's extended, you go on a 1 week break from the Board... If he gets fired, I'll leave for 6 months.... Deal?
Make it interesting....
I'm 99% , but I don't want you to leave. If he doesn't get fired, I will leave for a week.
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Guess who is a candidate for the Arizona St. job?
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what pray tell makes u 99%?
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who?
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Bump.
What's Wormer saying today? One day you will be right....and you will rejoice..
Soon
Still think he's getting fired? How certain, on a scale of 1-10? How about if he's extended, you go on a 1 week break from the Board... If he gets fired, I'll leave for 6 months.... Deal?
Make it interesting....
I'm 99% , but I don't want you to leave. If he doesn't get fired, I will leave for a week.
Well, I would lean towards let go if I knew something was happening by tomorrow. Otherwise, this would be water torture to leave it like a hanging chad...
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between this site and redmen.com for the last 3 days, the internet and social media have been set back10 years as to sources of info and believability.
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between this site and redmen.com for the last 3 days, the internet and social media have been set back10 years as to sources of info and believability.
I'm not sure what has been (not) said today but think the site has offered a lot of different perspective and healthy discussion. I think some guys reports/opinions carry more/less weight than others. I'm pretty sure people have a good handle on who's reliable and who is not.
I kind of compare this chatter to a loud crowd at Carnesecca. Take that same crowd and put them in MSG it wouldn't be so loud. It's all perspective.
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between this site and redmen.com for the last 3 days, the internet and social media have been set back10 years as to sources of info and believability.
I'm not sure what has been (not) said today but think the site has offered a lot of different perspective and healthy discussion. I think some guys reports/opinions carry more/less weight than others. I'm pretty sure people have a good handle on who's reliable and who is not.
I kind of compare this chatter to a loud crowd at Carnesecca. Take that same crowd and put them in MSG it wouldn't be so loud. It's all perspective.
Keep feeding the DMV - ha ha ha
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probably just a rumor , but the guy who covers pitt for rivals tweeted this
Matthew Steinbrink @MattSteinbrink 3h3 hours ago
@jmattera83 (http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=906) Lavin is out. We will see.
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his origional tweet said there is another major opening tomorrow referring to SJU, and he thinks they are working to secure B Hurley
Hope it's true. Bring in dad to be an assistant coach. The new president could mean new life at St.John's.
Imagine Dad would come only if he's otherwise going to retire - he alone is keeping St. Anthony's open isn't he?
If he retires the school will close. It is why he has never left. I did some charity work there last year and its truly an amazing place. Help a lot of kids escape from falling through the cracks.
gotta lot of respect for that
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There is some credibility to the reports that Coach Lavin and SJU could part ways tomorrow. I can tell you I have this from people I respect.
We'll see.
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There is some credibility to the reports that Coach Lavin and SJU could part ways tomorrow. I can tell you I have this from people I respect.
We'll see.
Wow. My opinion all along has been that Lavin would stay at sju.
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Lavin was with Diallo today , fwiw.
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Let me be fair I have also heard "don't believe the BS about the extension talk being nothing but propaganda from Lavin camp. It is real and it should be completed soon." In other words he is staying and the people who are dismissing it don't know anything..
Both of these reports are from credible people...
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Let me be fair I have also heard "don't believe the BS about the extension talk being nothing but propaganda from Lavin camp. It is real and it should be completed soon." In other words he is staying and the people who are dismissing it don't know anything..
Both of these reports are from credible people...
it's crazy how much different info credible people are hearing
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Lavin was with Diallo today , fwiw.
confirmed?
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Had St. John's said anything I this whole process?
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probably just a rumor , but the guy who covers pitt for rivals tweeted this
Matthew Steinbrink @MattSteinbrink 3h3 hours ago
@jmattera83 (http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=906) Lavin is out. We will see.
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his origional tweet said there is another major opening tomorrow referring to SJU, and he thinks they are working to secure B Hurley
Hope it's true. Bring in dad to be an assistant coach. The new president could mean new life at St.John's.
Imagine Dad would come only if he's otherwise going to retire - he alone is keeping St. Anthony's open isn't he?
If he retires the school will close. It is why he has never left. I did some charity work there last year and its truly an amazing place. Help a lot of kids escape from falling through the cracks.
gotta lot of respect for that
Check out Hurley Sr's Induction speech to Naismith Hall of Fame. I teared up two or three times, laughed 10 or more. What a great guy. He's a former probation officer (or still is), right?
https://youtu.be/h1P2m_xtaVI (https://youtu.be/h1P2m_xtaVI)
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There is some credibility to the reports that Coach Lavin and SJU could part ways tomorrow. I can tell you I have this from people I respect.
We'll see.
Wow. My opinion all along has been that Lavin would stay at sju.
Its a game of chicken. There is mutual interest. If a deal cant be reached then there is the threat of parties going their separate ways. I still think they get a deal done.
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Zags reported it.
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There is some credibility to the reports that Coach Lavin and SJU could part ways tomorrow. I can tell you I have this from people I respect.
We'll see.
Wow. My opinion all along has been that Lavin would stay at sju.
Its a game of chicken. There is mutual interest. If a deal cant be reached then there is the threat of parties going their separate ways. I still think they get a deal done.
Perhaps SJ's push for 1 year buyout max? Hurley rumor used for pressure? Pure speculation on my part.
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Lowball. I said that pages ago
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probably just a rumor , but the guy who covers pitt for rivals tweeted this
Matthew Steinbrink @MattSteinbrink 3h3 hours ago
@jmattera83 (http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=906) Lavin is out. We will see.
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his origional tweet said there is another major opening tomorrow referring to SJU, and he thinks they are working to secure B Hurley
Hope it's true. Bring in dad to be an assistant coach. The new president could mean new life at St.John's.
Imagine Dad would come only if he's otherwise going to retire - he alone is keeping St. Anthony's open isn't he?
If he retires the school will close. It is why he has never left. I did some charity work there last year and its truly an amazing place. Help a lot of kids escape from falling through the cracks.
gotta lot of respect for that
Check out Hurley Sr's Induction speech to Naismith Hall of Fame. I teared up two or three times, laughed 10 or more. What a great guy. He's a former probation officer (or still is), right?
https://youtu.be/h1P2m_xtaVI (https://youtu.be/h1P2m_xtaVI)
I believe he is still a PO and still personally sweeps the floor prior to games.
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probably just a rumor , but the guy who covers pitt for rivals tweeted this
Matthew Steinbrink @MattSteinbrink 3h3 hours ago
@jmattera83 (http://johnnyjungle.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=906) Lavin is out. We will see.
3 retweets 2 favorites
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his origional tweet said there is another major opening tomorrow referring to SJU, and he thinks they are working to secure B Hurley
Hope it's true. Bring in dad to be an assistant coach. The new president could mean new life at St.John's.
Imagine Dad would come only if he's otherwise going to retire - he alone is keeping St. Anthony's open isn't he?
If he retires the school will close. It is why he has never left. I did some charity work there last year and its truly an amazing place. Help a lot of kids escape from falling through the cracks.
gotta lot of respect for that
Check out Hurley Sr's Induction speech to Naismith Hall of Fame. I teared up two or three times, laughed 10 or more. What a great guy. He's a former probation officer (or still is), right?
https://youtu.be/h1P2m_xtaVI (https://youtu.be/h1P2m_xtaVI)
Wow I never saw that before. He is a great public speaker. Thanks for putting it up !
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Lowball. I said that pages ago
I need to keep up. I'm too busy telling basketball stories - lol
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Pretty sure he is a retired PO and has a job as head of the sports/recreation in Jersey City or something like that. His stories as a PO, by the way, are legendary. When Willie Banks - former MLB pitcher and also a hoops player at St. Anthony's - was getting harassed by some hoodlums in his apt complex, Hurley Sr. basically went there and threatened a bunch of older gang bangers. They never bothered Willie again.
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between this site and redmen.com for the last 3 days, the internet and social media have been set back10 years as to sources of info and believability.
I'm not sure what has been (not) said today but think the site has offered a lot of different perspective and healthy discussion. I think some guys reports/opinions carry more/less weight than others. I'm pretty sure people have a good handle on who's reliable and who is not.
I kind of compare this chatter to a loud crowd at Carnesecca. Take that same crowd and put them in MSG it wouldn't be so loud. It's all perspective.
Keep feeding the DMV - ha ha ha
I was in Baltimore today.
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Lavin was with Diallo today , fwiw.
confirmed?
Yes he was at OSNA to watch Diallo today.
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between this site and redmen.com for the last 3 days, the internet and social media have been set back10 years as to sources of info and believability.
I'm not sure what has been (not) said today but think the site has offered a lot of different perspective and healthy discussion. I think some guys reports/opinions carry more/less weight than others. I'm pretty sure people have a good handle on who's reliable and who is not.
I kind of compare this chatter to a loud crowd at Carnesecca. Take that same crowd and put them in MSG it wouldn't be so loud. It's all perspective.
Keep feeding the DMV - ha ha ha
I was in Baltimore today.
That new UA headquarters complex/community is going to be sick. Dude's gonna revitalize B'More single handedly - lol
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Think the problems with everyone's "sources" are either they are not as close to the situation as they purport to be, or if they are close are really not privy to what is really happening so they give what really amounts to their opinion. Of course there is a third possibility, they are full of bull. Fourth possibility is people lie about having sources. I actually have a very close to the program source who for example when it comes to recruiting either knows nothing or pretends to know nothing. The most i'll get from him is 'yeah some big kid was in the basketball offices" although under Lavin not so much a BIG kid. Other things he usually tells about 5 years down the road. Guess he is CIA in these matters and I don't press him for more info as I respect him keeping things in house.
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Think the problems with everyone's "sources" are either they are not as close to the situation as they purport to be, or if they are close are really not privy to what is really happening so they give what really amounts to their opinion. Of course there is a third possibility, they are full of bull. Fourth possibility is people lie about having sources. I actually have a very close to the program source who for example when it comes to recruiting either knows nothing or pretends to know nothing. The most i'll get from him is 'yeah some big kid was in the basketball offices" although under Lavin not so much a BIG kid. Other things he usually tells about 5 years down the road. Guess he is CIA in these matters and I don't press him for more info as I respect him keeping things in house.
Terps fans still don't know exactly went down when AD Kevin Anderson flew out to meet up with Sean Miller in Vegas when Terps were trying to nab Miller. Miller either played Anderson and Terps to get raises for his staff and other concessions, or maybe Anderson told Miller that MD couldn't relax its academic standards one drop to align with Zona, or... who the heck knows...the rest is history
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Guess who is a candidate for the Arizona St. job?
Ahem
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Bump.
What's Wormer saying today? One day you will be right....and you will rejoice..
Soon
Still think he's getting fired? How certain, on a scale of 1-10? How about if he's extended, you go on a 1 week break from the Board... If he gets fired, I'll leave for 6 months.... Deal?
Make it interesting....
I'm 99% , but I don't want you to leave. If he doesn't get fired, I will leave for a week.
Bump.
What's Wormer saying today? One day you will be right....and you will rejoice..
Soon
Still think he's getting fired? How certain, on a scale of 1-10? How about if he's extended, you go on a 1 month break from the Board... If he gets fired, I'll leave for 6 months.... Deal?
Make it interesting....
Bump.
What's Wormer saying today? One day you will be right....and you will rejoice..
Soon
Still think he's getting fired? How certain, on a scale of 1-10? How about if he's extended, you go on a 1 week break from the Board... If he gets fired, I'll leave for 6 months.... Deal?
Make it interesting....
I'm 99% , but I don't want you to leave. If he doesn't get fired, I will leave for a week.
Lucky for you guys, I won't be leaving
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It only took a little over a year, but Baldi got this one right. Kudos.
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It only took a little over a year, but Baldi got this one right. Kudos.
I think that qualifies for getting it wrong. At some point every St. John's coach gets fired.
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It only took a little over a year, but Baldi got this one right. Kudos.
I think that qualifies for getting it wrong. At some point every St. John's coach gets fired.
Not too many were right this week, if any. Baldi stuck to his guns
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http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/steve-lavin-st-john-mutally-agreed-part-article-1.2164697?cid=bitly
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Baldi was right. I talked to him on Twitter when Zach B reported 3 yr extension & he stuck to his guns and told me St John's, if they were making an offer, were lowballing so they could "mutually part ways." He pegged it, as did @Sjuredmen, who said the same thing. Those guys have good sources and also know basketball & know the program.
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Baldi was right. I talked to him on Twitter when Zach B reported 3 yr extension & he stuck to his guns and told me St John's, if they were making an offer, were lowballing so they could "mutually part ways." He pegged it, as did @Sjuredmen, who said the same thing. Those guys have good sources and also know basketball & know the program.
Linda?
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Baldi was right. I talked to him on Twitter when Zach B reported 3 yr extension & he stuck to his guns and told me St John's, if they were making an offer, were lowballing so they could "mutually part ways." He pegged it, as did @Sjuredmen, who said the same thing. Those guys have good sources and also know basketball & know the program.
How can you say they were "lowballing" if an offer was never made?
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Baldi was right. I talked to him on Twitter when Zach B reported 3 yr extension & he stuck to his guns and told me St John's, if they were making an offer, were lowballing so they could "mutually part ways." He pegged it, as did @Sjuredmen, who said the same thing. Those guys have good sources and also know basketball & know the program.
This is a good one...
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Baldi was right. I talked to him on Twitter when Zach B reported 3 yr extension & he stuck to his guns and told me St John's, if they were making an offer, were lowballing so they could "mutually part ways." He pegged it, as did @Sjuredmen, who said the same thing. Those guys have good sources and also know basketball & know the program.
Linda?
No, she's @billionairecrackwhore on Twitter
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Then who is Francois, if I made up a person I would be a Duke fan.
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Lavin will have a good shot at getting ASU job. 1 of 4 finalists.
If he doesn't get that and the job is still open I could see him going after DePaul. That would be a juicier story line.
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Then who is Francois, if I made up a person I would be a Duke fan.
Well, they can elaborate, but apparently being the actual name of Voltaire allows them to be a critic of the Catholic Church, or in this case, St. John's. Perhaps they can elaborate on their handle choice.
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Arizona st
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Then who is Francois, if I made up a person I would be a Duke fan.
Well, they can elaborate, but apparently being the actual name of Voltaire allows them to be a critic of the Catholic Church, or in this case, St. John's. Perhaps they can elaborate on their handle choice.
Purist, you seem like a Lavin Lover. It's interesting how people get hung up on internet names, like I would use my real name. Francois Arouet, I see some "clever" one realized was Voltaire's name. Voltaire was an opponent of the church, but moreso, he championed free speech & had the courage to satire established powers. I hate the church, but being critical of the church is no fun, too easy. I love St. John's, like I love the NYR, NYK etc.
Now on Baldi & @Sjuredmen: If large outlets are reporting an extension, & Baldi & Sjuredmen say, "this is a ploy to divorce from coach" then who is more right? Them or Zach B & the Sporting News? Ppl wanna go over twitter DM's like it's the Zapruder film, LOL.
Let's say they had no sources. Then they were still right. Let's say they had sources. Then they were pretty close with that. It's not, ooh, an offer was never made...Baldi must be an idiot, not EVERYTHING he said came out 100%, only 98%, only better than Roger Rubin, Zach Braziller, the NYT, ESPN, Andy Katz, etc.
AND Steve Lavin, ever the politico, spinning til the end how "happy" everyone was with him.
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Then who is Francois, if I made up a person I would be a Duke fan.
Well, they can elaborate, but apparently being the actual name of Voltaire allows them to be a critic of the Catholic Church, or in this case, St. John's. Perhaps they can elaborate on their handle choice.
Purist, you seem like a Lavin Lover. It's interesting how people get hung up on internet names, like I would use my real name. Francois Arouet, I see some "clever" one realized was Voltaire's name. Voltaire was an opponent of the church, but moreso, he championed free speech & had the courage to satire established powers. I hate the church, but being critical of the church is no fun, too easy. I love St. John's, like I love the NYR, NYK etc.
Now on Baldi & @Sjuredmen: If large outlets are reporting an extension, & Baldi & Sjuredmen say, "this is a ploy to divorce from coach" then who is more right? Them or Zach B & the Sporting News? Ppl wanna go over twitter DM's like it's the Zapruder film, LOL.
Let's say they had no sources. Then they were still right. Let's say they had sources. Then they were pretty close with that. It's not, ooh, an offer was never made...Baldi must be an idiot, not EVERYTHING he said came out 100%, only 98%, only better than Roger Rubin, Zach Braziller, the NYT, ESPN, Andy Katz, etc.
AND Steve Lavin, ever the politico, spinning til the end how "happy" everyone was with him.
Huh?
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My name is Anthony. My last name begins with D. I have no problem giving my real name to except to people like Francis,
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Francois Arouet, I see some "clever" one realized was Voltaire's name. Voltaire was an opponent of the church, but moreso, he championed free speech & had the courage to satire established powers.
Read "Candide". It's awesome.