6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: kaprookie on March 24, 2014, 04:29:46 PM
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So this is the discussion right now....
Jay @JayOn_1 ·37 mins
Wow so Jakarr Sampson is really thinking about going to the NBA tomorrow. Smh biggest mistake in his young career #sjubb
Jay @JayOn_1 ·24 mins
@nathanbeckrules big mistake by that kid. Listening to the wrong ppl and getting bad info i
gio @gionysports ·26 mins
@JayOn_1 where'd you hear that?
Jay @JayOn_1 ·23 mins
@gionysports can't say man but it's true. Smh
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wouldnt be surprised if we had a significant player transfer too.
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I obviously am a big fan of JaKarr and hope he eventually does make the NBA and becomes a star but I really don't think this is the right time.
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We all agree that he is certainly an NBA prospect, just that he's not there yet.
I wouldn't be mad at him in the least if he declares but doesn't sign w an agent. It will keep his eligibility intact, he'll get his name out there and get used to the process. Which is something every legitimate prospect should do.
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I think we need more confirmation than the tweet noted.
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Agent scum feeding him BS?
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So this is the discussion right now....
Jay @JayOn_1 ·37 mins
Wow so Jakarr Sampson is really thinking about going to the NBA tomorrow. Smh biggest mistake in his young career #sjubb
Jay @JayOn_1 ·24 mins
@nathanbeckrules big mistake by that kid. Listening to the wrong ppl and getting bad info i
gio @gionysports ·26 mins
@JayOn_1 where'd you hear that?
Jay @JayOn_1 ·23 mins
@gionysports can't say man but it's true. Smh
Usually, if someone has to post "it's true," then it's a lie.
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wouldnt be surprised if we had a significant player transfer too.
only person i can see transferring is Jones. He could play immediately anywhere. All others would have to sit, which i don't think anyone would want to do.
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If this is true I really feel bad for Jakarr because he has some people giving him some very poor advice. By all accounts this is a very deep and talented draft and Jakarr would be lucky to be drafted in the second round. I saw improvements in Jakarrs game this year and I think with another year here he could refine his game and make himself a real NBA prospect. It would benefit the program and especially Jakarr for him to come back at least another year.
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If this is true I really feel bad for Jakarr because he has some people giving him some very poor advice. By all accounts this is a very deep and talented draft and Jakarr would be lucky to be drafted in the second round. I saw improvements in Jakarrs game this year and I think with another year here he could refine his game and make himself a real NBA prospect. It would benefit the program and especially Jakarr for him to come back at least another year.
If I look at the Jayon_1 twitter account, he doesn't look to have much twitter "tweet cred."
However, the first guy to break the Justin Anderson switch to UVa was some old VTech connected guy who had a very limited twitter acct/postings. so you never know - until later - :2funny:
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Maybe he's confusing JKS with Orlando? LOL
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wouldnt be surprised if we had a significant player transfer too.
Good to see you posting again bro.
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wouldnt be surprised if we had a significant player transfer too.
only person i can see transferring is Jones. He could play immediately anywhere. All others would have to sit, which i don't think anyone would want to do.
Where are you getting that Jones would be able to play immediately?
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@NYPost_Brazille: I'm told JaKarr Sampson is declaring for the NBA Draft. St. John's press release forthcoming. #sjubb
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@NYPost_Brazille: JaKarr Sampson will be signing with an agent. Press conference tomorrow. wow. #sjubb
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Oh well. Best of luck to Jakarr.
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@StJohnsBBall: JaKarr Sampson Announces Intentions To Enter NBA Draft; Soph looks to be 61st #SJUBB player selected in history: http://t.co/3ChWdlbHjm (http://t.co/3ChWdlbHjm)
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@StJohnsBBall: JaKarr Sampson Announces Intentions To Enter NBA Draft; Soph looks to be 61st #SJUBB player selected in history: http://t.co/3ChWdlbHjm (http://t.co/3ChWdlbHjm)
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He will not be drafted. Horrible decision by a good kid.
Anthony Lee, would you like to reconsider?
If we don't add Masona and another transfer I am going to lose my mind.
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wouldnt be surprised if we had a significant player transfer too.
Good to see you posting again bro.
thanks...nice to be back my friend
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wow, just wow.
This one is worse than the Cook declaration and right on par with the kid from Nova a few years ago.
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wouldnt be surprised if we had a significant player transfer too.
Outside of Obekpa I wouldn't see anyone transferring their senior year.
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He will not be drafted. Horrible decision by a good kid.
Anthony Lee, would you like to reconsider?
If we don't add Masona and another transfer I am going to lose my mind.
I agree this is debilitating news for next year and as we all know there are not any kids coming in.
next season can be a flat out disaster
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After thinking about this for a minute, good riddance.
He spoke a few weeks ago about how he was trying to impress scouts earlier in this season, and frankly, thats not the kind of kid we need. He was clearly all about improving his stock and not the team, and it showed almost everytime he touched the ball. He would never pass!
Let's replace him with a kid who DOESNT think he's a one and done, and is willing to sacrifice for the better of the team.
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He will not be drafted. Horrible decision by a good kid.
Anthony Lee, would you like to reconsider?
If we don't add Masona and another transfer I am going to lose my mind.
I agree this is debilitating news for next year and as we all know there are not any kids coming in.
next season can be a flat out disaster
Will be.
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Bad decision by a good kid. No reason to hire an agent yet
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Well at least now the Lavin apoligists will have their reason for next years failure and how its not really Lavins fault but Jakarrs for leaving ::)
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Next year will be an unmitigated disaster.
Hoping what Baldi reported is true and Lavin is next. Unfortunately I think Obekpa is next....
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Personally, I think this is the one loss we can absorb for next year. Don't think much of him as a player. Good kid, was impressed he stuck with us after the RISE incident but as a player, not my type at all.
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Unfortunately I think Obekpa is next....
i think its Harrison
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Unfortunately I think Obekpa is next....
i think its Harrison
speculation or inside knowledge?
I couldn't fathom Harrison leaving, but with this program, nothing is off limits.
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Unfortunately I think Obekpa is next....
i think its Harrison
speculation or inside knowledge?
I couldn't fathom Harrison leaving, but with this program, nothing is off limits.
all speculation.
i have inside knowledge on nothing ;)
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Unfortunately I think Obekpa is next....
i think its Harrison
He could declare. Wouldn't transfer.
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If we wind up losing Sampson, Obekpa and Jordan, which I'm speculating might be a decent possibility..
We're stuck with Greene, Harrison, Pointer, Branch, Jones, Balamou, Hooper.
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he had over a month to see who else was going to declare so he jumps the gun and hires an agent now, ruining his eligibility? holy crap I don't care who gave him advice, the kid is an idiot, he's an adult so any advice he received his just that, doesn't mean he has to listen to it. no fault but his own, just dumb as hell.
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Wow the sky is always falling here isn't it. Everyone calm down. Its like the NFL ( pre- draft) where transfers haven't even started and there are some JCs and recruits still undeclared. Is Jakarr leaving a mistake, sure it probably is but for him I hope he makes it big ( would help our profile also) . But really how many games did he disappear this year? The only game I remember him "owning" was the creighton game locking down McDermott defensively . Lets calm down and see how it all transpires before we do a brodie off the brooklyn bridge as always
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Personally, I think this is the one loss we can absorb for next year. Don't think much of him as a player. Good kid, was impressed he stuck with us after the RISE incident but as a player, not my type at all.
He was 1 of 3 shot creators on the team. Good % of offense.
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If we wind up losing Sampson, Obekpa and Jordan, which I'm speculating might be a decent possibility..
We're stuck with Greene, Harrison, Pointer, Branch, Jones, Balamou, Hooper.
Which means you might as well just fire Lavin now because he's going to bomb.
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Bad choice for this kid but best of luck to him
This is a huge loss for the program
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he had over a month to see who else was going to declare so he jumps the gun and hires an agent now, ruining his eligibility? holy crap I don't care who gave him advice, the kid is an idiot, he's an adult so any advice he received his just that, doesn't mean he has to listen to it. no fault but his own, just dumb as hell.
Didn't improve much statistically from FR to SO year. Age decreases stock so maybe he felt he's going as high as he can.
Can't say I agree with it but I can understand it
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This decision did not happen overnight. I can tell you that Lavin tried to explain and convince him that this might not be the right time.
What most of you don't understand is that his declaration to NBA is just a "high hope"
"Carr" is well aware that he is most likely going to NBDL or Europe.
Kid wants to get paid. Can't blame him for that.
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he had over a month to see who else was going to declare so he jumps the gun and hires an agent now, ruining his eligibility? holy crap I don't care who gave him advice, the kid is an idiot, he's an adult so any advice he received his just that, doesn't mean he has to listen to it. no fault but his own, just dumb as hell.
Didn't improve much statistically from FR to SO year. Age decreases stock so maybe he felt he's going as high as he can.
Can't say I agree with it but I can understand it
Doesn't make sense to me any way I look at it - he should get his degree and try to play in Europe or the D-League, at least then he'd have a degree to fall back on.
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If we wind up losing Sampson, Obekpa and Jordan, which I'm speculating might be a decent possibility..
We're stuck with Greene, Harrison, Pointer, Branch, Jones, Balamou, Hooper.
If Sampson, Obekpa and Jordan all leave....Lavin will be next.
We will be last place in BE, no questions asked.
On the flip side, if Jakarr does for some reason get first round, you know Lavin is going to sell the SHIT out of that to the 2015 class.
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Isn't this a good thing for all the guys that want Lavin gone?
ForeverYoung, where are the top 50 recruits you said were coming?
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2 HS post grad years at Brewster, 2 with the squad. He's already 21 and wants to help his mother.
We have one of the best recruiters in the country, who's NBA list will grow this year and next.
Wish Jak nothing but good luck and think that he'll be getting paid to play well into his 30's.
Character individual who just like Moe, will make the program proud.
Can't wait for Lavs and Tony to hit the Spring Circuit with roster spots to fill.
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If we wind up losing Sampson, Obekpa and Jordan, which I'm speculating might be a decent possibility..
We're stuck with Greene, Harrison, Pointer, Branch, Jones, Balamou, Hooper.
If Sampson, Obekpa and Jordan all leave....Lavin will be next.
We will be last place in BE, no questions asked.
On the flip side, if Jakarr does for some reason get first round, you know Lavin is going to sell the SHIT out of that to the 2015 class.
First round in Pluto NBA. Come on!
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I honestly would love to see Linda's response to this.
;D :D
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Wow the sky is always falling here isn't it. Everyone calm down. Its like the NFL ( pre- draft) where transfers haven't even started and there are some JCs and recruits still undeclared. Is Jakarr leaving a mistake, sure it probably is but for him I hope he makes it big ( would help our profile also) . But really how many games did he disappear this year? The only game I remember him "owning" was the creighton game locking down McDermott defensively . Lets calm down and see how it all transpires before we do a brodie off the brooklyn bridge as always
or get Bodie-d off the Bmore streets...."
It is a crazy rumor until I actually see JaKarr put his name in the ring. Even at that point, he would wisely get some NBA evals which most likely would say "work on A, B and C...," then let's talk about the draft.
The Wire - Chris and Snoop Vs. Bodie (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFkWPNJAy14#)
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2 HS post grad years at Brewster, 2 with the squad. He's already 21 and wants to help his mother.
We have one of the best recruiters in the country, who's NBA list will grow this year and next.
Wish Jak nothing but good luck and think that he'll be getting paid to play well into his 30's.
Character individual who just like Moe, will make the program proud.
Can't wait for Lavs and Tony to hit the Spring Circuit with roster spots to fill.
can disagree with Karr's character, seems like a very nice , likable kid. As far as the spring circuit I dont know whats left out there to fill next season. We are very small right now.
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I like Jakarr a lot. He's got a great attitude. Except for when he went for that guy's throat on Robert Morris after fouling him on a made 3 point shot. I think in time Jakarr may play in the league, but personally, I don't see it.
He's not confident enough or even the least bit capable facing the basket from the top of the key, and he doesn't rebound well. If he actually goes through with this, I feel badly for him, because I can't think of one NBA or NBDL forward that he should play over. Not one.
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Personally, I think this is the one loss we can absorb for next year. Don't think much of him as a player. Good kid, was impressed he stuck with us after the RISE incident but as a player, not my type at all.
He was 1 of 3 shot creators on the team. Good % of offense.
Dave,
He is a finesse mid-range jump shooter. That's what he was last year and that's what he still is. Create what? He gets in pick and pop situations. He doesn't take contact well. He doesn't finish near the rim. He never posts up. He never makes the right decision on the break. His ball handling is a circus. He doesn't attack the rim. I like Jakarr a lot, but c'mon. His game is just not that impressive right now.
Now the real issue to me is he probably just felt that Lavin and staff weren't going to take his game any further so he got out now. That's not a terrible decision based on the player development we have seen under Lavin.
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If he believes that spending his entire waking life training to become better basketball player, working with professional coaches without NCAA restrictions and class to worry about, isn't it better to better for development to go to the D-League or to Europe? Oh, and he can get paid while doing it. I completely understand and probably would do the same thing.
We will be bad next year.
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@NYPost_Brazille: JaKarr Sampson will be signing with an agent. Press conference tomorrow. wow. #sjubb
D league guys need agents? Or is he going overseas?
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Personally, I think this is the one loss we can absorb for next year. Don't think much of him as a player. Good kid, was impressed he stuck with us after the RISE incident but as a player, not my type at all.
He was 1 of 3 shot creators on the team. Good % of offense.
Dave,
He is a finesse mid-range jump shooter. That's what he was last year and that's what he still is. Create what? He gets in pick and pop situations. He doesn't take contact well. He doesn't finish near the rim. He never posts up. He never makes the right decision on the break. His ball handling is a circus. He doesn't attack the rim. I like Jakarr a lot, but c'mon. His game is just not that impressive right now.
Now the real issue to me is he probably just felt that Lavin and staff weren't going to take his game any further so he got out now. That's not a terrible decision based on the player development we have seen under Lavin.
Your last paragraph makes tremendous sense.
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If he believes that spending his entire waking life training to become better basketball player, working with professional coaches without NCAA restrictions and class to worry about, isn't it better to better for development to go to the D-League or to Europe? Oh, and he can get paid while doing it. I completely understand and probably would do the same thing.
We will be bad next year.
Don't guys in the D League make about 40 k per year on average (outside of the dropped down 2nd rounders with guaranteed money)?
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Terrible decision. Makes absolutely no sense. He has to work on a lot to be a NBA player.
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This decision did not happen overnight. I can tell you that Lavin tried to explain and convince him that this might not be the right time.
What most of you don't understand is that his declaration to NBA is just a "high hope"
"Carr" is well aware that he is most likely going to NBDL or Europe.
Kid wants to get paid. Can't blame him for that.
If his name was Carr, I would be less concerned. If his first name was Austin, that is.
Like many have said, he will merely get evaluated by the scouts, and not throw hat into the ring. Or announce he will be entering the NBDL/Europe outright. That would be the truth anyway.
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If I'm Lavin, I'm on the phone with the Temple transfer. Tons of playing time just opening up. Also need to start looking at some juco's to fill the spot.
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Who are our big men next year now? Is Obekpa for sure staying?
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Personally, I think this is the one loss we can absorb for next year. Don't think much of him as a player. Good kid, was impressed he stuck with us after the RISE incident but as a player, not my type at all.
He was 1 of 3 shot creators on the team. Good % of offense.
Dave,
He is a finesse mid-range jump shooter. That's what he was last year and that's what he still is. Create what? He gets in pick and pop situations. He doesn't take contact well. He doesn't finish near the rim. He never posts up. He never makes the right decision on the break. His ball handling is a circus. He doesn't attack the rim. I like Jakarr a lot, but c'mon. His game is just not that impressive right now.
Now the real issue to me is he probably just felt that Lavin and staff weren't going to take his game any further so he got out now. That's not a terrible decision based on the player development we have seen under Lavin.
I'm not chalking this up as devastating but it is a step backwards for the program. Was I wrong with what I said? Outside of Jordan, Harrison or Sampson who can have the ball in their hands and make a shot? Sampson was excellent jab step to pull up or rip thru to drive towards basket. I'm shocked the team didn't feed him more at times because he was such a mismatch.
Did he ever look for a teammate? No.
Was he bad at spacing on break? Yes (cost him game winning layup in BET)
Was a good rebounder? Not really.
Did he a good defender? Sometimes
He wasn't perfect player and he could have been better. I'm surprised he's declaring this year with projected field.
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Everyone else his age is graduating college this year, if he stayed all 4 years he would've been a 23 year old prospect? Go get em Jak.
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If he believes that spending his entire waking life training to become better basketball player, working with professional coaches without NCAA restrictions and class to worry about, isn't it better to better for development to go to the D-League or to Europe? Oh, and he can get paid while doing it. I completely understand and probably would do the same thing.
We will be bad next year.
Don't guys in the D League make about 40 k per year on average (outside of the dropped down 2nd rounders with guaranteed money)?
And how many D league players ever become regulars in the NBA?
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Can't say I blame him but it sucks for us.
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Personally, I think this is the one loss we can absorb for next year. Don't think much of him as a player. Good kid, was impressed he stuck with us after the RISE incident but as a player, not my type at all.
Lavin was having a difficult enough time replacing bench players (i.e. Orlando Sanchez and God's Gift). How the hell is he going to replace his one scoring threat down low? As it stands right now, St. John's is losing 60 minutes per game of front court play. If the rumors are true about Chris Obekpa leaving, jump that up to 80.
And Steve does not have one player signed up yet for 2014. Sounds like he has his perfect built in excuse for why he can't make the NCAA Tournament next year.
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wouldnt be surprised if we had a significant player transfer too.
Outside of Obekpa I wouldn't see anyone transferring their senior year.
Dave,
Not a big deal but I did hear a couple weeks back that a good portion of the players don't particularly like Lavin. Now that is not earth shattering, players disliking a coach, but I always figured Lavin was basically a players coach. Have you heard that and if so did this have any impact on Sampson's crazy decision?
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we are cursed
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Best of luck to Sampson. I don't think it is the right move or a smart one, but I hope it works out well for him.
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What a disaster.
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The more I think about it, the more it seems like it might be the right move for him. I mean if he puts up the same/similar numbers next year and is one year older, its doubtful he goes much higher than he would now. He could certainly benefit from a weaker draft, but its equally as risky as leaving now I think.
On the other hand, he could also come back stronger, refine his 3pt game and commit himself to getting rebounds (which he never really seemed to do) and really improve his stock.
He has NBA athleticism for sure, here's hoping that translates into a nice career for him.
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wouldnt be surprised if we had a significant player transfer too.
Outside of Obekpa I wouldn't see anyone transferring their senior year.
Dave,
Not a big deal but I did hear a couple weeks back that a good portion of the players don't particularly like Lavin. Now that is not earth shattering, players disliking a coach, but I always figured Lavin was basically a players coach. Have you heard that and if so did this have any impact on Sampson's crazy decision?
I haven't been to close to the pulse of the program this year. I started up my own company in Nov and I really haven't had much time to dedicate to sju this year.
I think the problem with this team is there is no mix of upper and under classmen. It's a cluster of guys who came in at the same time, no real leader. Lots of entitlement.
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wouldnt be surprised if we had a significant player transfer too.
Outside of Obekpa I wouldn't see anyone transferring their senior year.
Dave,
Not a big deal but I did hear a couple weeks back that a good portion of the players don't particularly like Lavin. Now that is not earth shattering, players disliking a coach, but I always figured Lavin was basically a players coach. Have you heard that and if so did this have any impact on Sampson's crazy decision?
I haven't been to close to the pulse of the program this year. I started up my own company in Nov and I really haven't had much time to dedicate to sju this year.
I think the problem with this team is there is no mix of upper and under classmen. It's a cluster of guys who came in at the same time, no real leader. Lots of entitlement.
What I was told is that Harrison is liked by his teammates and he doesn't particularly like coaching staff. Again not shocking but like I said forget about what you might think of his coaching I always thought of Lavin as a players coach.
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wouldnt be surprised if we had a significant player transfer too.
Outside of Obekpa I wouldn't see anyone transferring their senior year.
Dave,
Not a big deal but I did hear a couple weeks back that a good portion of the players don't particularly like Lavin. Now that is not earth shattering, players disliking a coach, but I always figured Lavin was basically a players coach. Have you heard that and if so did this have any impact on Sampson's crazy decision?
I haven't been to close to the pulse of the program this year. I started up my own company in Nov and I really haven't had much time to dedicate to sju this year.
I think the problem with this team is there is no mix of upper and under classmen. It's a cluster of guys who came in at the same time, no real leader. Lots of entitlement.
What I was told is that Harrison is liked by his teammates and he doesn't particularly like coaching staff. Again not shocking but like I said forget about what you might think of his coaching I always thought of Lavin as a players coach.
Harrison is wild stallion. Don't think there is any love lost between him or coaches.
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wouldnt be surprised if we had a significant player transfer too.
Outside of Obekpa I wouldn't see anyone transferring their senior year.
Dave,
Not a big deal but I did hear a couple weeks back that a good portion of the players don't particularly like Lavin. Now that is not earth shattering, players disliking a coach, but I always figured Lavin was basically a players coach. Have you heard that and if so did this have any impact on Sampson's crazy decision?
I haven't been to close to the pulse of the program this year. I started up my own company in Nov and I really haven't had much time to dedicate to sju this year.
I think the problem with this team is there is no mix of upper and under classmen. It's a cluster of guys who came in at the same time, no real leader. Lots of entitlement.
What I was told is that Harrison is liked by his teammates and he doesn't particularly like coaching staff. Again not shocking but like I said forget about what you might think of his coaching I always thought of Lavin as a players coach.
Harrison is wild stallion. Don't think there is any love lost between him or coaches.
But what I was told is that he is close with the players including Jordan
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wouldnt be surprised if we had a significant player transfer too.
Outside of Obekpa I wouldn't see anyone transferring their senior year.
Dave,
Not a big deal but I did hear a couple weeks back that a good portion of the players don't particularly like Lavin. Now that is not earth shattering, players disliking a coach, but I always figured Lavin was basically a players coach. Have you heard that and if so did this have any impact on Sampson's crazy decision?
I haven't been to close to the pulse of the program this year. I started up my own company in Nov and I really haven't had much time to dedicate to sju this year.
I think the problem with this team is there is no mix of upper and under classmen. It's a cluster of guys who came in at the same time, no real leader. Lots of entitlement.
Not to toot my own horn, but that's what I've been saying as well. That's the hardest part about the whole rebuilding process, even though we have good players, there isn't a good balance. Problem is I bet Sheed is gone in two years, so who is going to be the leader after that?
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wouldnt be surprised if we had a significant player transfer too.
Outside of Obekpa I wouldn't see anyone transferring their senior year.
Dave,
Not a big deal but I did hear a couple weeks back that a good portion of the players don't particularly like Lavin. Now that is not earth shattering, players disliking a coach, but I always figured Lavin was basically a players coach. Have you heard that and if so did this have any impact on Sampson's crazy decision?
I haven't been to close to the pulse of the program this year. I started up my own company in Nov and I really haven't had much time to dedicate to sju this year.
I think the problem with this team is there is no mix of upper and under classmen. It's a cluster of guys who came in at the same time, no real leader. Lots of entitlement.
Not to toot my own horn, but that's what I've been saying as well. That's the hardest part about the whole rebuilding process, even though we have good players, there isn't a good balance. Problem is I bet Sheed is gone in two years, so who is going to be the leader after that?
If Jordan is still here in 2years we should have a parade. Heck if he is here next year we should consider our self lucky. Jordan and Harrison should be able to sneak into the NCAA even if Flag Boy might have to play center
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Seriously we must be the only team in America that gets one and two and done and can't sniff a tourney. Harkless now Sampson. If Jordan stays it is no lock we make tourney next year and then he could go. This Lavin blue print is not working.
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Isn't this a good thing for all the guys that want Lavin gone?
ForeverYoung, where are the top 50 recruits you said were coming?
they are coming hold your horses.
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Tough even for Sheed being the only player in his class. Saw the same thing with Polee.
Also tough to think about what if Lavin landed Kyle Anderson and Rico Gathers. That changed the tide.
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Kyle Anderson would have been amazing on this year's team....
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Tough even for Sheed being the only player in his class. Saw the same thing with Polee.
Also tough to think about what if Lavin landed Kyle Anderson and Rico Gathers. That changed the tide.
I liked Polee. He had nice stroke and was better than both Dom and Garrett turned out to be. An athlete that can knock down a shot
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If Mcculough was coming in next season, or Jermaine Lawrence was a soph here, would we even care that Jakarr was leaving?
Probably, but it would be infinitely easier to swallow. No?
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Wheels are coming off
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Best of luck JaKarr
I think he should have stayed and the argument about age is valid but 22-23 I take the best ballers I can find if I'm a NBA team. I have a feeling 3-4 year players will be in high demand once again...I think these things are cyclical what once was out will be in aka 3-4 yr college players just my opinion. He needs to fill out or just get stronger and improve his outside shot and post game. He could be a nice mismatch type player off the bench playing a hybrid 3-4 but will need time to develop.
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Am I the only one who isnt too upset about this? I really think for as talented as he is, he hurts the team as much as he helps them. If no one else leaves and we are able to get some transfers or de-pledges ( I guarentee you we will get something) then we will be fine. Time for Jones baby!
Karr I wish you nothing but the best and will root for you throughout your career!
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Best of luck JaKarr
I think he should have stayed and the argument about age is valid but 22-23 I take the best ballers I can find if I'm a NBA team. I have a feeling 3-4 year players will be in high demand once again...I think these things are cyclical what once was out will be in aka 3-4 yr college players just my opinion. He needs to fill out or just get stronger and improve his outside shot and post game. He could be a nice mismatch type player off the bench playing a hybrid 3-4 but will need time to develop.
Sean Killpatrick just averaged 20+ and isn't going to be drafted, there may be a paradigm shift, but it hasn't happened yet and were talking about millions of dollars.
I think the NCAA will implode before you see kids staying 3-4 years again.
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Wheels are coming off
Think they fell off during the Robert Morris game.
axles went today.
all that's left is the frame, and it's beat to shit.
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Wheels are coming off
Think they fell off during the Robert Morris game.
axles went today.
all that's left is the frame, and it's beat to shit.
Time for the driver to eject. No recruits, not much left to do here
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Wheels are coming off
Think they fell off during the Robert Morris game.
axles went today.
all that's left is the frame, and it's beat to shit.
Time for the driver to eject. No recruits, not much left to do here
amen.
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Am I the only one who isnt too upset about this? I really think for as talented as he is, he hurts the team as much as he helps them. If no one else leaves and we are able to get some transfers or de-pledges ( I guarentee you we will get something) then we will be fine. Time for Jones baby!
Karr I wish you nothing but the best and will root for you throughout your career!
I'm with you. Don't think he'll be that hard to replace. We can't afford any more losses and we must add a big and maybe a 3/4.
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Wheels are coming off
Think they fell off during the Robert Morris game.
axles went today.
all that's left is the frame, and it's beat to shit.
Time for the driver to eject. No recruits, not much left to do here
I'm hoping that's the case, but Lavin isn't walking away from that salary
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Am I the only one who isnt too upset about this? I really think for as talented as he is, he hurts the team as much as he helps them. If no one else leaves and we are able to get some transfers or de-pledges ( I guarentee you we will get something) then we will be fine. Time for Jones baby!
Karr I wish you nothing but the best and will root for you throughout your career!
I am hearing from multiple people that Obekpa wants to leave. Lose GG, Obekpa., Sanchez and Sampson.
Our frontcourt wasn't great to begin with but this is going to be awful.
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Am I the only one who isnt too upset about this? I really think for as talented as he is, he hurts the team as much as he helps them. If no one else leaves and we are able to get some transfers or de-pledges ( I guarentee you we will get something) then we will be fine. Time for Jones baby!
Karr I wish you nothing but the best and will root for you throughout your career!
I am hearing from multiple people that Obekpa wants to leave. Lose GG, Obekpa., Sanchez and Sampson.
Our frontcourt wasn't great to begin with but this is going to be awful.
Activate the "smallest team in America" mantra?
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Am I the only one who isnt too upset about this? I really think for as talented as he is, he hurts the team as much as he helps them. If no one else leaves and we are able to get some transfers or de-pledges ( I guarentee you we will get something) then we will be fine. Time for Jones baby!
Karr I wish you nothing but the best and will root for you throughout your career!
I am hearing from multiple people that Obekpa wants to leave. Lose GG, Obekpa., Sanchez and Sampson.
Our frontcourt wasn't great to begin with but this is going to be awful.
Activate the "smallest team in America" mantra?
I have heard from a couple people we will get CTK kid. Unfortunately those same people did not give rave reviews about him.
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Am I the only one who isnt too upset about this? I really think for as talented as he is, he hurts the team as much as he helps them. If no one else leaves and we are able to get some transfers or de-pledges ( I guarentee you we will get something) then we will be fine. Time for Jones baby!
Karr I wish you nothing but the best and will root for you throughout your career!
I am hearing from multiple people that Obekpa wants to leave. Lose GG, Obekpa., Sanchez and Sampson.
Our frontcourt wasn't great to begin with but this is going to be awful.
Activate the "smallest team in America" mantra?
I have heard from a couple people we will get CTK kid. Unfortunately those same people did not give rave reviews about him.
For sure, but think in terms of Gift like minutes in first year. He needs to be developed & won't be a prime time guy in first year for sure. Game is too fast for him. His brother, if eligible, will have marginal value I fear.
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Am I the only one who isnt too upset about this? I really think for as talented as he is, he hurts the team as much as he helps them. If no one else leaves and we are able to get some transfers or de-pledges ( I guarentee you we will get something) then we will be fine. Time for Jones baby!
Karr I wish you nothing but the best and will root for you throughout your career!
I am hearing from multiple people that Obekpa wants to leave. Lose GG, Obekpa., Sanchez and Sampson.
Our frontcourt wasn't great to begin with but this is going to be awful.
Activate the "smallest team in America" mantra?
I have heard from a couple people we will get CTK kid. Unfortunately those same people did not give rave reviews about him.
For sure, but think in terms of Gift like minutes in first year. He needs to be developed & won't be a prime time guy in first year for sure. Game is too fast for him. His brother, if eligible, will have marginal value I fear.
He might have to play more than that
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Am I the only one who isnt too upset about this? I really think for as talented as he is, he hurts the team as much as he helps them. If no one else leaves and we are able to get some transfers or de-pledges ( I guarentee you we will get something) then we will be fine. Time for Jones baby!
Karr I wish you nothing but the best and will root for you throughout your career!
I am hearing from multiple people that Obekpa wants to leave. Lose GG, Obekpa., Sanchez and Sampson.
Our frontcourt wasn't great to begin with but this is going to be awful.
If thats the case then it would be problematic. I think Jakarr leaving might convince him to stay. More shots, more minutes.
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Not my life so cant really judge him. Dont think he will find himself in the NBA but if he needs the money and is aware that he'll probably be over seas or in the D league how could you hate? Wish him the best of luck
Time to see what this staff is made of. No more excuses, its been long enough time to produce and prove to the fans that they deserve this extension
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Not my life so cant really judge him. Dont think he will find himself in the NBA but if he needs the money and is aware that he'll probably be over seas or in the D league how could you hate? Wish him the best of luck
Time to see what this staff is made of. No more excuses, its been long enough time to produce and prove to the fans that they deserve this extension
If he waited 2 years I could see him getting drafted.
Maybe he needs $, hates school and has something set up over seas?
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is it spring break??
Did Jakarr make this decision while at home with the family?
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He leaving
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He leaving
Kob,
Obekpa too?
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Am I the only one who isnt too upset about this? I really think for as talented as he is, he hurts the team as much as he helps them. If no one else leaves and we are able to get some transfers or de-pledges ( I guarentee you we will get something) then we will be fine. Time for Jones baby!
Karr I wish you nothing but the best and will root for you throughout your career!
I am with you all the way. He is flashy...I love his offensive rebounding and dunks, but the kid couldn't defend the four and looked terrible even trying to defend the three. Let's be honest...one half against McDermott does not make him a good defender. He got pushed around more than a turnstile at Yankee Stadium. He was also good for an automatic 3-4 terrible, ill-timed mistakes a game.
A true PF can replace him and might even give us a little more. We don't press anyway...this whole fun-and-gun idea never happened.
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Even though Jakarr says he is committed to pursuing the NBA at this time, maybe in the next few days he'll receive lots of negative feedback on the decision and reconsider. As other posters have said, declaring his intention isn't the point of no return ... hiring an agent would do that.
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Am I the only one who isnt too upset about this? I really think for as talented as he is, he hurts the team as much as he helps them. If no one else leaves and we are able to get some transfers or de-pledges ( I guarentee you we will get something) then we will be fine. Time for Jones baby!
Karr I wish you nothing but the best and will root for you throughout your career!
I am with you all the way. He is flashy...I love his offensive rebounding and dunks, but the kid couldn't defend the four and looked terrible even trying to defend the three. Let's be honest...one half against McDermott does not make him a good defender. He got pushed around more than a turnstile at Yankee Stadium. He was also good for an automatic 3-4 terrible, ill-timed mistakes a game.
A true PF can replace him and might even give us a little more. We don't press anyway...this whole fun-and-gun idea never happened.
Who is the true PF? Mystery recruit? Thought those days were over once Norm left.
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I know Chris people. I don't think they are stupid to have him declare
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I know Chris people. I don't think they are stupid to have him declare
WOW, we are in some deep shit now......
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But are they willing to have him sit out a year in hopes that he could develop more and raise his stock somewhere else?
I really hope not, if his post game develops in the offseason a bit like it did during the year I could see him being a 1st round pick next year.
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I know Chris people. I don't think they are stupid to have him declare
Shouldn't he learn how to box out first?
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I'm hearing Dom gonna declare. And maybe another but that's just rumors right now. But with the year they had I wouldn't put it pass anyone. I like Lav but they had a bad year. He needs to refocus and go full steam on the class of 2015. Alot of studs in that class
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Seemed like a good kid with a good heart and he came back to us when he didn't have to. However, he played the game like he only cared about his draft stock and his quotes in that recent Daily News article confirmed it. Good luck to the kid, but we'll survive this one.
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Sorry not dom jakarr
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Kob - Jakarr already declared. Press release out. It's official.
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Dom is gonna declare for what? The MAAC?
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What professional team anywhere would want Dom right now?
EDIT: Nevermind, just noticed KOB's correction.
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I hope he knows what he is doing, and I wish him the best of luck.
What I find interesting is that when the rumor came out that he was leaving, the media reports soon came after. So far every other rumoru on the board there has been no follow up from the media. I am not knocking anybody who may have a scoop or inside information (this is why we come to this board) , but for everyone else that equates to a disturbance in the force equates to the empire striking back there is usually more info from somewhere. Everybody rants and raves but to pull the trigger on leaving is a huge deal for a player. Sampson did mentioned that the NBA was on his mind all season so is this a huge shocker? Maybe for the fact that most people feel it is a mistake.
When SJU was struggling the Post reported fractures between Lavin and SJU, but when they started winning that disappeared and a contract extension was talked about in the media...which if their was a fracture I have a hard time thinking the school would acknowledge talks...Not saying he won't leave but where is the media follow up to this...
The sky isominous but I do not think it is falling yet...Though a stress free SJU summer would be welcome and greatly appreciated. Throwing in some greats recruits would be even better.
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I hope he knows what he is doing, and I wish him the best of luck.
What I find interesting is that when the rumor came out that he was leaving, the media reports soon came after. So far every other rumoru on the board there has been no follow up from the media. I am not knocking anybody who may have a scoop or inside information (this is why we come to this board) , but for everyone else that equates to a disturbance in the force equates to the empire striking back there is usually more info from somewhere. Everybody rants and raves but to pull the trigger on leaving is a huge deal for a player. Sampson did mentioned that the NBA was on his mind all season so is this a huge shocker? Maybe for the fact that most people feel it is a mistake.
When SJU was struggling the Post reported fractures between Lavin and SJU, but when they started winning that disappeared and a contract extension was talked about in the media...which if their was a fracture I have a hard time thinking the school would acknowledge talks...Not saying he won't leave but where is the media follow up to this...
The sky isominous but I do not think it is falling yet...Though a stress free SJU summer would be welcome and greatly appreciated. Throwing in some greats recruits would be even better.
Never his mind on what he was doing.
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I wish him the best of luck and hopefully he can reprsent SJU on a grander scale like Harkless is doing.
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Does Hooper leave/get shown the door since his friend is gone?
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From JaKarr's standpoint, he made a mistake. He should have declared last year. At least then his ceiling was higher. I hope he has a great pro career and I am happy he gave us 2 years of solid play.
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If I'm Lavin, I'm on the phone with the Temple transfer. Tons of playing time just opening up. Also need to start looking at some juco's to fill the spot.
Lee already cut his list and most top 2014 jucos are long gone.
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WOW. Who is advising Jakarr.
To me someone is telling him the longer you stay in college the more scouts will see the weaknesses in JaKarr's game.
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If I'm Lavin, I'm on the phone with the Temple transfer. Tons of playing time just opening up. Also need to start looking at some juco's to fill the spot.
Lee already cut his list and most top 2014 jucos are long gone.
No tooth fairy coming guys.
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Who's better at the same stage? Lamont Hamilton or Jakarr?
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Who's better at the same stage? Lamont Hamilton or Jakarr?
Totally different players
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If I'm Lavin, I'm on the phone with the Temple transfer. Tons of playing time just opening up. Also need to start looking at some juco's to fill the spot.
Lee already cut his list and most top 2014 jucos are long gone.
No tooth fairy coming guys.
Damn I heard he has game!
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The reason I brought up that I heard there were issues with the staff and certain players(Harrison, Obekpa) is I wonder if any of that had anything to do with Sampson decision?
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The reason I brought up that I heard there were issues with the staff and certain players(Harrison, Obekpa) is I wonder if any of that had anything to do with Sampson decision?
I personally doubt that, but who knows. My sense he and/or advisers felt he would not improve further here, so why not take a leap.
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Good luck
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Did Jakarr sign with an agent?
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Did Jakarr sign with an agent?
He plans to. What is lebrons agency?
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Did Jakarr sign with an agent?
He plans to. What is lebrons agency?
Didn't think of that.
Hey if busted JR Smith could get his terrible brother a guaranteed contract, I am sure Free agant to be Lebron could get the Heat to waste the last pick of the 1st round on his hometown little buddy.
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LeBron told hem to go pro.
Maybe the kid is over school. You never know. Shoot I was over school after my 2nd freshman year.
He will probably team up with Doug McD-League for the Mad Ants..
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From ESPN:
ESPN.com NBA draft expert Chad Ford does not currently list Sampson among his Top 100 draft prospects. Ford has Sampson ranked No. 137 overall, and No. 34 among power forwards.
"I have been advised that I may be selected between the late-first and mid-second round," Sampson said. "But the important thing is I am in the mix and I know I can earn my way up the draft board."
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From ESPN:
ESPN.com NBA draft expert Chad Ford does not currently list Sampson among his Top 100 draft prospects. Ford has Sampson ranked No. 137 overall, and No. 34 among power forwards.
"I have been advised that I may be selected between the late-first and mid-second round," Sampson said. "But the important thing is I am in the mix and I know I can earn my way up the draft board."
Chad Ford @chadfordinsider · 16h ago
Yikes. Probably goes undrafted RT @GoodmanESPN: St John's JaKarr Sampson entering NBA Draft.
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Talk about a lukewarm endorsement -
"In speaking with NBA general managers, JaKarr is projected as a draft prospect with intriguing talent and upside."
Don't hire the agent JKS..!!!
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I am a draft prospect as well. I am rather intriguing and all I have is upside
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now i wish Whitehead had waited until Spring to sign
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Jakarr Presser,NYPost_Brazille: Steve Lavin said St. John's could play like Villanova next year if it doesn't add anyone. #sjubb
JS sees himself as first rounder.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Lavin said the focus remains on 2015 and 2016 for recruiting. Actively recruiting, but like this roster even with Sampson leaving. #sjubb
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Jakarr Presser,NYPost_Brazille: Steve Lavin said St. John's could play like Villanova next year if it doesn't add anyone. #sjubb
Very true, except only like Nova when they played Creighton this year.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Lavin said the focus remains on 2015 and 2016 for recruiting. Actively recruiting, but like this roster even with Sampson leaving. #sjubb
*Eye roll*
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Jakarr Presser,NYPost_Brazille: Steve Lavin said St. John's could play like Villanova next year if it doesn't add anyone. #sjubb
Very true, except only like Nova when they played Creighton this year.
Ha! Or Jay Wright coming to coach. Lol
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Jakarr Presser,NYPost_Brazille: Steve Lavin said St. John's could play like Villanova next year if it doesn't add anyone. #sjubb
JS sees himself as first rounder.
I see myself as having an orgy with Jessica Alba, Jennifer Lawrence, Alexandra Daddario and Rihanna while eating a Pizza, drinking a beer and watching Mookie's grounder go through Buckner's legs.
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Jakarr Presser,NYPost_Brazille: Steve Lavin said St. John's could play like Villanova next year if it doesn't add anyone. #sjubb
JS sees himself as first rounder.
I see myself as having an orgy with Jessica Alba, Jennifer Lawrence, Alexandra Daddario and Rihanna while eating a Pizza, drinking a beer and watching Mookie's grounder go through Buckner's legs.
So you've seen heaven already?
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Jakarr Presser,NYPost_Brazille: Steve Lavin said St. John's could play like Villanova next year if it doesn't add anyone. #sjubb
JS sees himself as first rounder.
I see myself as having an orgy with Jessica Alba, Jennifer Lawrence, Alexandra Daddario and Rihanna while eating a Pizza, drinking a beer and watching Mookie's grounder go through Buckner's legs.
So you've seen heaven already?
In a world that Sampson is a first tound NBA pick anything is possible
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From ESPN:
ESPN.com NBA draft expert Chad Ford does not currently list Sampson among his Top 100 draft prospects. Ford has Sampson ranked No. 137 overall, and No. 34 among power forwards.
"I have been advised that I may be selected between the late-first and mid-second round," Sampson said. "But the important thing is I am in the mix and I know I can earn my way up the draft board."
Wonder who is advising him. Good luck Jakarr. Can't knock a guy who is persuing his dream, just wish he was being smart about it. No need to hire a agent now.
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Ha - like Nova. Where is our Pinkston to score down low and do work on the boards? And are our guards/wings going to crash the glass like Bell, Hilliard, Hart, etc.
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Ha - like Nova. Where is our Pinkston to score down low and do work on the boards? And are our guards/wings going to crash the glass like Bell, Hilliard, Hart, etc.
When Lavin says crazy things he trusts no one will ask any follow up questions.
Best not to sweat the details anyway. Play like Nova sounds good
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@NYPost_Brazille: Lavin said the focus remains on 2015 and 2016 for recruiting. Actively recruiting, but like this roster even with Sampson leaving. #sjubb
*Eye roll*
Careful you could get suspended for that
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Jakarr Presser,NYPost_Brazille: Steve Lavin said St. John's could play like Villanova next year if it doesn't add anyone. #sjubb
JS sees himself as first rounder.
If we dont add anybody?
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He's not even an honorable mention in the BE lite and is a 3 that hasn't yet hit a College three in two seasons?
How can he go pro?
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"It's been a fun ride St. John's.. I learned so much and came such a long way in the 2 years I was here.. I became a better basketball player, but must important a better person.. I thank God for all the great people and fans I met here. Especially for my coaches and my brothers.. Even though these 2 seasons here didn't go how I expected them to, if I had to do it all over again I would choose St. John's.. #sjubb"
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Villanova? Like the school? I'm sure he meant my neighbor Elise Villa Nova. Easy typo...
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Jakarr Presser,NYPost_Brazille: Steve Lavin said St. John's could play like Villanova next year if it doesn't add anyone. #sjubb
JS sees himself as first rounder.
Sometimes I read these quotes and just laugh.
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This is a perfect example of why in a few years the D-league will be a serious rival to the NCAA. It won't surpass the NCAA, but more and more underclassmen are willing to take this leap now because they think the D-league isn't a terrible landing spot.
There are a lot of kids who are just interested in playing basketball, and not in getting a college degree.
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too bad, he was a much needed offensive threat. also, he seemed like a really good kid who was always happy to be on the court (besides the time he choked that guy). good luck
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This is a perfect example of why in a few years the D-league will be a serious rival to the NCAA. It won't surpass the NCAA, but more and more underclassmen are willing to take this leap now because they think the D-league isn't a terrible landing spot.
There are a lot of kids who are just interested in playing basketball, and not in getting a college degree.
I agree and think that's the way it should be. I mean one and done? It is killing college basketball. I'd much rather watch a "team" than watch an All Star team. I mean Kentucky is a joke. How can they even call those kids student athletes?
Having teams stay together would produce a higher quality of college basketball. Personally I like the way Baseball does it with the out of HS or wait 3 yrs.
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Lavin's quotes at the press conference make it pretty obvious that nobody new will be added to contribute for next season. Our front court is gonna be bad, brutally bad if Obekpa leaves
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Lavin's quotes at the press conference make it pretty obvious that nobody new will be added to contribute for next season. Our front court is gonna be bad, brutally bad if Obekpa leaves
I think Lavin is merely setting expectations at this point. So he says we don't need anyone else to be successful. This way, if he fails on the recruiting trail to replace the bodies we've lost, no biggie, and if he pulls in a front court recruit, and then he trumpets how awesome a job he did to further ensure the success of next year's team.
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Best of luck JaKarr
I think he should have stayed and the argument about age is valid but 22-23 I take the best ballers I can find if I'm a NBA team. I have a feeling 3-4 year players will be in high demand once again...I think these things are cyclical what once was out will be in aka 3-4 yr college players just my opinion. He needs to fill out or just get stronger and improve his outside shot and post game. He could be a nice mismatch type player off the bench playing a hybrid 3-4 but will need time to develop.
Sean Killpatrick just averaged 20+ and isn't going to be drafted, there may be a paradigm shift, but it hasn't happened yet and were talking about millions of dollars.
I think the NCAA will implode before you see kids staying 3-4 years again.
Agree it may take some time but there are so many of these guys not just losing the chance to developed but they give up the college experience for the rigors of being a professional often not in the NBA playing professionally in potentially obscure leagues making decent money but not NBA money. Hopefully the one and done trend changes for those guys that are on the margins.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Lavin said the focus remains on 2015 and 2016 for recruiting. Actively recruiting, but like this roster even with Sampson leaving. #sjubb
*Eye roll*
What is Lavin thinkin saying these things? We don't matchup up with anybody at all in the frontcourt. He likes our roster as is? Our only forwards being 6'4" Sir Dom and Christian Jones? We are in disastrous shape for next year. We have 4 open ships and no frontcourt. Starting from scratch again, and Lavs screwed us with this 14' class. Now he's feeding us a load of crap. He should stay silent instead of playing us al for fools. We all know we don't match up with anybody. Not even close. And Jakarr is a huge loss.
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Sampson showed no improvement his 2nd year and now he thinks he can go to the NBA!? He may not even be an average D league player. WHat is he thinking and, of course, who is he listening to? He is lucky if he gets drafted in the 2nd round. Team starting to look like a total joke next year. Obviously going to be guard oriented but who is going to rebound? Mr Happy may be depressed but given his act, he is putting a positive spin on it.
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IF we all remember a year ago, Sampson flirted with the draft a bit. I'm sure he was wanting to go, but figured he could really cement a good draft spot this year. That didn't happen, and I think his mind was made up before the season he was gone after this one.
The one cliche thing that kind of ticked me was the comment about finishing up his degree.
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I'm officially done with Lavin. His comments are absurd. I can't quite believe he is saying these things. He should have just shut up. We have no frontcourt at all.
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I'm officially done with Lavin. His comments are absurd. I can't quite believe he is saying these things. He should have just shut up. We have no frontcourt at all.
Yep & we are about to get even shorter.
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I'm officially done with Lavin. His comments are absurd. I can't quite believe he is saying these things. He should have just shut up. We have no frontcourt at all.
WOW. This is even more shocking than Sampson decision.
Are you sure you guys can't work things out?
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I'm officially done with Lavin. His comments are absurd. I can't quite believe he is saying these things. He should have just shut up. We have no frontcourt at all.
WOW. This is even more shocking than Sampson decision.
Are you sure you guys can't work things out?
I was fine with Lavin but he needs to recruit and win. His comments now are ridiculous. He failed on the recruiting trail this which we can't afford. I was hoping for some big springtime signings, but that doesn't appear imminent this time. Can't wait for a frontcourt of sir'dom, Christian jones and Max Hooper next year!!!
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I'm officially done with Lavin. His comments are absurd. I can't quite believe he is saying these things. He should have just shut up. We have no frontcourt at all.
This is how bad things are.
A year ago today could anybody have imagined a scenario in which MCNPA would've been fed up with coach Lavin? Short of Lavin murdering numerous people or taking the Syracuse job, it would've been hard to picture this.
But that just goes to show what this program's fans have been put through over the last 12 months. And now Obekpa? yipee
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I'm officially done with Lavin. His comments are absurd. I can't quite believe he is saying these things. He should have just shut up. We have no frontcourt at all.
This is how bad things are.
A year ago today could anybody have imagined a scenario in which MCNPA would've been fed up with coach Lavin? Short of Lavin murdering numerous people or taking the Syracuse job, it would've been hard to picture this.
But that just goes to show what this program's fans have been put through over the last 12 months. And now Obekpa? yipee
Yeah... Our prognosis is grave. We won't be competitive next year.
Best case scenario is that we let him go, grab a fantastic X's and O's guy like Mckillop and fill some of these scholarships with some steady underrated kids like Robert Morris just beat us with. Can't extend Lavin at this rate imo.
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I'm officially done with Lavin. His comments are absurd. I can't quite believe he is saying these things. He should have just shut up. We have no frontcourt at all.
This is how bad things are.
A year ago today could anybody have imagined a scenario in which MCNPA would've been fed up with coach Lavin? Short of Lavin murdering numerous people or taking the Syracuse job, it would've been hard to picture this.
But that just goes to show what this program's fans have been put through over the last 12 months. And now Obekpa? yipee
Yeah... Our prognosis is grave. We won't be competitive next year.
Best case scenario is that we let him go, grab a fantastic X's and O's guy like Mckillop and fill some of these scholarships with some steady underrated kids like Robert Morris just beat us with. Can't extend Lavin at this rate imo.
We will be competitive next year. People are overreacting.
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I'm officially done with Lavin. His comments are absurd. I can't quite believe he is saying these things. He should have just shut up. We have no frontcourt at all.
WOW. This is even more shocking than Sampson decision.
Are you sure you guys can't work things out?
I was fine with Lavin but he needs to recruit and win. His comments now are ridiculous. He failed on the recruiting trail this which we can't afford. I was hoping for some big springtime signings, but that doesn't appear imminent this time. Can't wait for a frontcourt of sir'dom, Christian jones and Max Hooper next year!!!
See of all the things Lavin has done since he has gotten here:
Suspending his best player
Signed a bunch of ineligible players
Phil Greene point guard
Circle offense
Transfers
Starting walkons in big games
Only making the tourney with Norm's guys
Nonsensical quotes and hyperbole
Breaking MCNPA is by far the worst thing he has done.
FOR SHAME!
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I'm officially done with Lavin. His comments are absurd. I can't quite believe he is saying these things. He should have just shut up. We have no frontcourt at all.
This is how bad things are.
A year ago today could anybody have imagined a scenario in which MCNPA would've been fed up with coach Lavin? Short of Lavin murdering numerous people or taking the Syracuse job, it would've been hard to picture this.
But that just goes to show what this program's fans have been put through over the last 12 months. And now Obekpa? yipee
Yeah... Our prognosis is grave. We won't be competitive next year.
Best case scenario is that we let him go, grab a fantastic X's and O's guy like Mckillop and fill some of these scholarships with some steady underrated kids like Robert Morris just beat us with. Can't extend Lavin at this rate imo.
I agree. Find somebody who is first and foremost a basketball coach, and is at home in a gym with a whistle around his neck.
Then his staff has to do what they can to find a juco big man or two. I think if you can find just 2 decent big men.. a team of Harrison and Jordan could be coached to .500 or better in conference play. A lot of things would have to fall right (no injuries, improvement from Dom/Jones/Greene) but its possible. We can't be a sweet 16 team or anything like we've hoped for... but we can be an average team.
In the meantime recruit the hell out of 2015, and start to build the program the way you want it. Damn, its sad that we're talking about rebuilding already.
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I'm officially done with Lavin. His comments are absurd. I can't quite believe he is saying these things. He should have just shut up. We have no frontcourt at all.
This is how bad things are.
A year ago today could anybody have imagined a scenario in which MCNPA would've been fed up with coach Lavin? Short of Lavin murdering numerous people or taking the Syracuse job, it would've been hard to picture this.
But that just goes to show what this program's fans have been put through over the last 12 months. And now Obekpa? yipee
Yeah... Our prognosis is grave. We won't be competitive next year.
Best case scenario is that we let him go, grab a fantastic X's and O's guy like Mckillop and fill some of these scholarships with some steady underrated kids like Robert Morris just beat us with. Can't extend Lavin at this rate imo.
We will be competitive next year. People are overreacting.
Not the way we hoped. This was a group we expected to get a tournament bid this year and next. At minimum.
No Sampson and Obekpa = no NCAA.
(not to mention Sanchez and Gift's mins are being replaced by ADR who I'm not sure is ready for that)
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been on the Lav bandwagon all season.
My stop just arrived, and damn am I off, if the admin gives this guy an extension, we're going to regret that for a VERY long time.
If Obekpa goes, can't imagine how coach keeps his job.....
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CO is far more important than Sampson. Keep him and things will be fine if Lavin can pickup some transfers.
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CO is far more important than Sampson. Keep him and things will be fine if Lavin can pickup some transfers.
Depends which CO shows up to play.
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CO is far more important than Sampson. Keep him and things will be fine if Lavin can pickup some transfers.
I agree. But I don't think he's keeping Obekpa.
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CO is far more important than Sampson. Keep him and things will be fine if Lavin can pickup some transfers.
Marillac playing the roll of Chip(Kevin Bacon) from Animal House.
"Remain Calm, all is well, all is well"
Unfortunately, Chip was tragically steamrolled.
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CO is far more important than Sampson. Keep him and things will be fine if Lavin can pickup some transfers.
Transfers are meaningless if they can't play right away.
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I'm officially done with Lavin. His comments are absurd. I can't quite believe he is saying these things. He should have just shut up. We have no frontcourt at all.
This is how bad things are.
A year ago today could anybody have imagined a scenario in which MCNPA would've been fed up with coach Lavin? Short of Lavin murdering numerous people or taking the Syracuse job, it would've been hard to picture this.
But that just goes to show what this program's fans have been put through over the last 12 months. And now Obekpa? yipee
Yeah... Our prognosis is grave. We won't be competitive next year.
Best case scenario is that we let him go, grab a fantastic X's and O's guy like Mckillop and fill some of these scholarships with some steady underrated kids like Robert Morris just beat us with. Can't extend Lavin at this rate imo.
I agree. Find somebody who is first and foremost a basketball coach, and is at home in a gym with a whistle around his neck.
Then his staff has to do what they can to find a juco big man or two. I think if you can find just 2 decent big men.. a team of Harrison and Jordan could be coached to .500 or better in conference play. A lot of things would have to fall right (no injuries, improvement from Dom/Jones/Greene) but its possible. We can't be a sweet 16 team or anything like we've hoped for... but we can be an average team.
In the meantime recruit the hell out of 2015, and start to build the program the way you want it. Damn, its sad that we're talking about rebuilding already.
I think a backcourt of Rysheed, Dlo, and Jamal with any two other division 1 big men can easily be a .500 team in our conference. Im not worried about that. Im worried about the bigger picture if Obekpa leaves. Our roster will look like Dlos freshmen year all over again.
If obekpa stays I am not worried about next years roster. I am worried about next years coach. Thats it.
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CO is far more important than Sampson. Keep him and things will be fine if Lavin can pickup some transfers.
We have zero frontcourt scoring nor rebounding next year. We don't have any legit division 1 frontcourt starters on the team. How are we going to be competitive? Who's gonna score? Who's gonna rebound? Teams will zone us to death, and we didn't score nor rebound well in the frontcourt even with Sampson and Sanchez.
Now we have the worst of all worlds. We are a poor shooting team that lost/is losing our entire frontcourt. Teams will zone us to death.
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CO is far more important tn Sampson. Keep him and things will be fine if Lavin can pickup some transfers.
Most transfers have to sit out a year. Maybe w all the coaching changes we can pick up a decommit. With 4 scholis open and the probability of CO leaving I love the quote by Lavin saying he is going to concentrate on 15 and 16.
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I'm hearing Dom gonna declare. And maybe another but that's just rumors right now. But with the year they had I wouldn't put it pass anyone. I like Lav but they had a bad year. He needs to refocus and go full steam on the class of 2015. Alot of studs in that class
New Apparel line needed - RecruitSoHardU '15 is the whole enchilada. Staff better have the full court press on because we're as The Roots sang, Rising Down...
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Wait, did Kob really say Dom is thinking of leaving?
I don't remember seeing that post, but wow. Hopefully he said that sarcastically.
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Wait, did Kob really say Dom is thinking of leaving?
I don't remember seeing that post, but wow. Hopefully he said that sarcastically.
In error. He later said he meant Karr.
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CO is far more important than Sampson. Keep him and things will be fine if Lavin can pickup some transfers.
We have zero frontcourt scoring nor rebounding next year. We don't have any legit division 1 frontcourt starters on the team. How are we going to be competitive? Who's gonna score? Who's gonna rebound? Teams will zone us to death, and we didn't score nor rebound well in the frontcourt even with Sampson and Sanchez.
Now we have the worst of all worlds. We are a poor shooting team that lost/is losing our entire frontcourt. Teams will zone us to death.
Settle down MCN...settle down!
Who is going to rebound? Who rebounded for us this year? Nobody. Sampson was great on the offensive glass when he wanted it, but he and Sanchez never boxed anyone out...ever. In terms of just rebounding and post defense, the DelaRosa brothers are like a + impact over Sampson and Sanchez. Jones, at worst, is a complete replacement of GG.
Also, who ever scored for us down low? Sampson got everything from his 15 footer or in transition. I think there were 10-12 made baskets all year from Sanchez/Sampson down low in the half court.
The zone would have hurt us with Sampson or without. The kid cost us at least 5 possessions a game, so whoever takes his place will start out +8-10 right from the get go. Box a few guys out set some screens and that could swell. The best thing that can happen for next year is Jordan to come back with a better jumper...he's not bad and most freshman make a big jump from the outside year one to year two. Hooper will be exponentially better next season after his year of experience at the Big East level. I think he will be able to give us a much better 15 mpg against zones.
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CO is far more important than Sampson. Keep him and things will be fine if Lavin can pickup some transfers.
We have zero frontcourt scoring nor rebounding next year. We don't have any legit division 1 frontcourt starters on the team. How are we going to be competitive? Who's gonna score? Who's gonna rebound? Teams will zone us to death, and we didn't score nor rebound well in the frontcourt even with Sampson and Sanchez.
Now we have the worst of all worlds. We are a poor shooting team that lost/is losing our entire frontcourt. Teams will zone us to death.
Christian Jones is gonna make so many people eat crow next year.
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CO is far more important than Sampson. Keep him and things will be fine if Lavin can pickup some transfers.
We have zero frontcourt scoring nor rebounding next year. We don't have any legit division 1 frontcourt starters on the team. How are we going to be competitive? Who's gonna score? Who's gonna rebound? Teams will zone us to death, and we didn't score nor rebound well in the frontcourt even with Sampson and Sanchez.
Now we have the worst of all worlds. We are a poor shooting team that lost/is losing our entire frontcourt. Teams will zone us to death.
Christian Jones is gonna make so many people eat crow next year.
I got my hot sauce ready...I would love that and I wouldn't put it past him.
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CO is far more important than Sampson. Keep him and things will be fine if Lavin can pickup some transfers.
We have zero frontcourt scoring nor rebounding next year. We don't have any legit division 1 frontcourt starters on the team. How are we going to be competitive? Who's gonna score? Who's gonna rebound? Teams will zone us to death, and we didn't score nor rebound well in the frontcourt even with Sampson and Sanchez.
Now we have the worst of all worlds. We are a poor shooting team that lost/is losing our entire frontcourt. Teams will zone us to death.
Christian Jones is gonna make so many people eat crow next year.
I got my hot sauce ready...I would love that and I wouldn't put it past him.
Does hot sauce go well with crow? I was thinking something a little milder
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CO is far more important than Sampson. Keep him and things will be fine if Lavin can pickup some transfers.
We have zero frontcourt scoring nor rebounding next year. We don't have any legit division 1 frontcourt starters on the team. How are we going to be competitive? Who's gonna score? Who's gonna rebound? Teams will zone us to death, and we didn't score nor rebound well in the frontcourt even with Sampson and Sanchez.
Now we have the worst of all worlds. We are a poor shooting team that lost/is losing our entire frontcourt. Teams will zone us to death.
Christian Jones is gonna make so many people eat crow next year.
I'm with you man. He could be the first real offensive post presence we've had in a while (don't really count Evan/Burrell). And I'm really hoping Obekpa stays and we see improvement in his post game too. I think we will be ok.
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CO is far more important than Sampson. Keep him and things will be fine if Lavin can pickup some transfers.
We have zero frontcourt scoring nor rebounding next year. We don't have any legit division 1 frontcourt starters on the team. How are we going to be competitive? Who's gonna score? Who's gonna rebound? Teams will zone us to death, and we didn't score nor rebound well in the frontcourt even with Sampson and Sanchez.
Now we have the worst of all worlds. We are a poor shooting team that lost/is losing our entire frontcourt. Teams will zone us to death.
Christian Jones is gonna make so many people eat crow next year.
I got my hot sauce ready...I would love that and I wouldn't put it past him.
Does hot sauce go well with crow? I was thinking something a little milder
Hot sauce goes good with everything.
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CO is far more important than Sampson. Keep him and things will be fine if Lavin can pickup some transfers.
We have zero frontcourt scoring nor rebounding next year. We don't have any legit division 1 frontcourt starters on the team. How are we going to be competitive? Who's gonna score? Who's gonna rebound? Teams will zone us to death, and we didn't score nor rebound well in the frontcourt even with Sampson and Sanchez.
Now we have the worst of all worlds. We are a poor shooting team that lost/is losing our entire frontcourt. Teams will zone us to death.
Christian Jones is gonna make so many people eat crow next year.
I'm with you man. He could be the first real offensive post presence we've had in a while (don't really count Evan/Burrell). And I'm really hoping Obekpa stays and we see improvement in his post game too. I think we will be ok.
Not to be a naysayer - and I know he's got big shoulders - but isn't Jones a touch short to be counted on the post guy? I'm not a hater at all and I know we don't have hardly any options... but I just figured this would be yet another year without post play.
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CO is far more important than Sampson. Keep him and things will be fine if Lavin can pickup some transfers.
We have zero frontcourt scoring nor rebounding next year. We don't have any legit division 1 frontcourt starters on the team. How are we going to be competitive? Who's gonna score? Who's gonna rebound? Teams will zone us to death, and we didn't score nor rebound well in the frontcourt even with Sampson and Sanchez.
Now we have the worst of all worlds. We are a poor shooting team that lost/is losing our entire frontcourt. Teams will zone us to death.
Christian Jones is gonna make so many people eat crow next year.
I'm with you man. He could be the first real offensive post presence we've had in a while (don't really count Evan/Burrell). And I'm really hoping Obekpa stays and we see improvement in his post game too. I think we will be ok.
+1 we need another big but Jones is going to surprise a lot of people.
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CO is far more important than Sampson. Keep him and things will be fine if Lavin can pickup some transfers.
We have zero frontcourt scoring nor rebounding next year. We don't have any legit division 1 frontcourt starters on the team. How are we going to be competitive? Who's gonna score? Who's gonna rebound? Teams will zone us to death, and we didn't score nor rebound well in the frontcourt even with Sampson and Sanchez.
Now we have the worst of all worlds. We are a poor shooting team that lost/is losing our entire frontcourt. Teams will zone us to death.
Christian Jones is gonna make so many people eat crow next year.
I'm with you man. He could be the first real offensive post presence we've had in a while (don't really count Evan/Burrell). And I'm really hoping Obekpa stays and we see improvement in his post game too. I think we will be ok.
Not to be a naysayer - and I know he's got big shoulders - but isn't Jones a touch short to be counted on the post guy? I'm not a hater at all and I know we don't have hardly any options... but I just figured this would be yet another year without post play.
It's not that he's too short. It's that he's a yet another combo forward who likes the perimeter. Someone with his size can be an effective 4 man for sure, but Jones has not yet demonstrated a back to the basket game or a propensity to rebound at a high level.
All that said, I like his upside and think he has a good chance to carve out a substantial role.
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Let's cut back on the CO leaving talk before it becomes a self fulfilling prochecy. Where is it coming from anyway. He 'll have a guaranteed 30 minutes every game and he'll be a force if he can work on his offensive game over the summer. Who was that Louisville center who helped them win the title last year ? He could develope similarly.
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CO is far more important than Sampson. Keep him and things will be fine if Lavin can pickup some transfers.
We have zero frontcourt scoring nor rebounding next year. We don't have any legit division 1 frontcourt starters on the team. How are we going to be competitive? Who's gonna score? Who's gonna rebound? Teams will zone us to death, and we didn't score nor rebound well in the frontcourt even with Sampson and Sanchez.
Now we have the worst of all worlds. We are a poor shooting team that lost/is losing our entire frontcourt. Teams will zone us to death.
Christian Jones is gonna make so many people eat crow next year.
I'm with you man. He could be the first real offensive post presence we've had in a while (don't really count Evan/Burrell). And I'm really hoping Obekpa stays and we see improvement in his post game too. I think we will be ok.
Not to be a naysayer - and I know he's got big shoulders - but isn't Jones a touch short to be counted on the post guy? I'm not a hater at all and I know we don't have hardly any options... but I just figured this would be yet another year without post play.
It's not that he's too short. It's that he's a yet another combo forward who likes the perimeter. Someone with his size can be an effective 4 man for sure, but Jones has not yet demonstrated a back to the basket game or a propensity to rebound at a high level.
All that said, I like his upside and think he has a good chance to carve out a substantial role.
This combo forward talk came from his high school days. He showed nothing of that his freshmen year. He played inside, he set screens, he looked to post, he hit mid range jump shots off of pick and rolls.
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CO is far more important than Sampson. Keep him and things will be fine if Lavin can pickup some transfers.
We have zero frontcourt scoring nor rebounding next year. We don't have any legit division 1 frontcourt starters on the team. How are we going to be competitive? Who's gonna score? Who's gonna rebound? Teams will zone us to death, and we didn't score nor rebound well in the frontcourt even with Sampson and Sanchez.
Now we have the worst of all worlds. We are a poor shooting team that lost/is losing our entire frontcourt. Teams will zone us to death.
Christian Jones is gonna make so many people eat crow next year.
I'm with you man. He could be the first real offensive post presence we've had in a while (don't really count Evan/Burrell). And I'm really hoping Obekpa stays and we see improvement in his post game too. I think we will be ok.
Not to be a naysayer - and I know he's got big shoulders - but isn't Jones a touch short to be counted on the post guy? I'm not a hater at all and I know we don't have hardly any options... but I just figured this would be yet another year without post play.
There have been college fours who were shorter than him and have been successful. Look at Pinkston in our own league. The biggest thing he needs is a realization that he is most often then not the strongest kid out there and that he can get to where he wants to get on the court. If he gets that mean streak that Pinkston has then look at. Maybe im asking for too much but I saw the potential in the kid from day one. Hes also a pretty good passer.
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CO is far more important than Sampson. Keep him and things will be fine if Lavin can pickup some transfers.
We have zero frontcourt scoring nor rebounding next year. We don't have any legit division 1 frontcourt starters on the team. How are we going to be competitive? Who's gonna score? Who's gonna rebound? Teams will zone us to death, and we didn't score nor rebound well in the frontcourt even with Sampson and Sanchez.
Now we have the worst of all worlds. We are a poor shooting team that lost/is losing our entire frontcourt. Teams will zone us to death.
Christian Jones is gonna make so many people eat crow next year.
I'm with you man. He could be the first real offensive post presence we've had in a while (don't really count Evan/Burrell). And I'm really hoping Obekpa stays and we see improvement in his post game too. I think we will be ok.
Not to be a naysayer - and I know he's got big shoulders - but isn't Jones a touch short to be counted on the post guy? I'm not a hater at all and I know we don't have hardly any options... but I just figured this would be yet another year without post play.
It's not that he's too short. It's that he's a yet another combo forward who likes the perimeter. Someone with his size can be an effective 4 man for sure, but Jones has not yet demonstrated a back to the basket game or a propensity to rebound at a high level.
All that said, I like his upside and think he has a good chance to carve out a substantial role.
This combo forward talk came from his high school days. He showed nothing of that his freshmen year. He played inside, he set screens, he looked to post, he hit mid range jump shots off of pick and rolls.
So you think he's a natural 4? To me, he seemed like a 3 with the body of a 4.
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CO is far more important than Sampson. Keep him and things will be fine if Lavin can pickup some transfers.
We have zero frontcourt scoring nor rebounding next year. We don't have any legit division 1 frontcourt starters on the team. How are we going to be competitive? Who's gonna score? Who's gonna rebound? Teams will zone us to death, and we didn't score nor rebound well in the frontcourt even with Sampson and Sanchez.
Now we have the worst of all worlds. We are a poor shooting team that lost/is losing our entire frontcourt. Teams will zone us to death.
Christian Jones is gonna make so many people eat crow next year.
I'm with you man. He could be the first real offensive post presence we've had in a while (don't really count Evan/Burrell). And I'm really hoping Obekpa stays and we see improvement in his post game too. I think we will be ok.
Not to be a naysayer - and I know he's got big shoulders - but isn't Jones a touch short to be counted on the post guy? I'm not a hater at all and I know we don't have hardly any options... but I just figured this would be yet another year without post play.
It's not that he's too short. It's that he's a yet another combo forward who likes the perimeter. Someone with his size can be an effective 4 man for sure, but Jones has not yet demonstrated a back to the basket game or a propensity to rebound at a high level.
All that said, I like his upside and think he has a good chance to carve out a substantial role.
This combo forward talk came from his high school days. He showed nothing of that his freshmen year. He played inside, he set screens, he looked to post, he hit mid range jump shots off of pick and rolls.
So you think he's a natural 4? To me, he seemed like a 3 with the body of a 4.
Yea I think natural 4, body of a 4. What did you see that made you think he was a 3?
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[Yea I think natural 4, body of a 4. What did you see that made you think he was a 3?
FWIW I agree with Chudney. He seemed to me to want to play the same way Jakarr does. He didn't go down low unless he had to. He preferred the jump shot. He had great hops, but very little post up skills. He really seemed to be more 3 than 4 to me. He always seemed like he was too far from the basket for a guy his size. I think Anthony Glover, but he is nothing like that.
Also, and this is a bit harsh, but his defense was bad his first year. Often on screens or rubs, he would switch to the wrong man or not close out, and guys got a lot of open looks. I hope that has changed with another year of practice under his belt.
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CO is far more important than Sampson. Keep him and things will be fine if Lavin can pickup some transfers.
We have zero frontcourt scoring nor rebounding next year. We don't have any legit division 1 frontcourt starters on the team. How are we going to be competitive? Who's gonna score? Who's gonna rebound? Teams will zone us to death, and we didn't score nor rebound well in the frontcourt even with Sampson and Sanchez.
Now we have the worst of all worlds. We are a poor shooting team that lost/is losing our entire frontcourt. Teams will zone us to death.
Christian Jones is gonna make so many people eat crow next year.
I'm with you man. He could be the first real offensive post presence we've had in a while (don't really count Evan/Burrell). And I'm really hoping Obekpa stays and we see improvement in his post game too. I think we will be ok.
Not to be a naysayer - and I know he's got big shoulders - but isn't Jones a touch short to be counted on the post guy? I'm not a hater at all and I know we don't have hardly any options... but I just figured this would be yet another year without post play.
It's not that he's too short. It's that he's a yet another combo forward who likes the perimeter. Someone with his size can be an effective 4 man for sure, but Jones has not yet demonstrated a back to the basket game or a propensity to rebound at a high level.
All that said, I like his upside and think he has a good chance to carve out a substantial role.
This combo forward talk came from his high school days. He showed nothing of that his freshmen year. He played inside, he set screens, he looked to post, he hit mid range jump shots off of pick and rolls.
So you think he's a natural 4? To me, he seemed like a 3 with the body of a 4.
Yea I think natural 4, body of a 4. What did you see that made you think he was a 3?
I don't really know what he is honestly. I recall wondering why he didn't assert himself in the paint against physically inferior defenders. He also seemed to float and rely on the mid range jumper. Either way, his rebounding needs a lot of improvement. I was hoping he'd be a poor mans Rico Gathers
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CO is far more important than Sampson. Keep him and things will be fine if Lavin can pickup some transfers.
We have zero frontcourt scoring nor rebounding next year. We don't have any legit division 1 frontcourt starters on the team. How are we going to be competitive? Who's gonna score? Who's gonna rebound? Teams will zone us to death, and we didn't score nor rebound well in the frontcourt even with Sampson and Sanchez.
Now we have the worst of all worlds. We are a poor shooting team that lost/is losing our entire frontcourt. Teams will zone us to death.
Christian Jones is gonna make so many people eat crow next year.
I'm with you man. He could be the first real offensive post presence we've had in a while (don't really count Evan/Burrell). And I'm really hoping Obekpa stays and we see improvement in his post game too. I think we will be ok.
Not to be a naysayer - and I know he's got big shoulders - but isn't Jones a touch short to be counted on the post guy? I'm not a hater at all and I know we don't have hardly any options... but I just figured this would be yet another year without post play.
There have been college fours who were shorter than him and have been successful. Look at Pinkston in our own league. The biggest thing he needs is a realization that he is most often then not the strongest kid out there and that he can get to where he wants to get on the court. If he gets that mean streak that Pinkston has then look at. Maybe im asking for too much but I saw the potential in the kid from day one. Hes also a pretty good passer.
Correct. It's about knowing what you are as a player, and getting as good as possible at it. At a minimum, there's some talent to work with, and then it's up to him to improve.
Heck, Lonny Baxter played center for the Terps by using his barrel chest to body up shot blocking bigs. He was lucky to be 6'7". He didn't tower over me standing next to him, but he was a wide dude. He came in a pudgy, under-recruited player - one never fully knows a player's desire to get better, play hard, play tough...
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[Yea I think natural 4, body of a 4. What did you see that made you think he was a 3?
FWIW I agree with Chudney. He seemed to me to want to play the same way Jakarr does. He didn't go down low unless he had to. He preferred the jump shot. He had great hops, but very little post up skills. He really seemed to be more 3 than 4 to me. He always seemed like he was too far from the basket for a guy his size. I think Anthony Glover, but he is nothing like that.
Also, and this is a bit harsh, but his defense was bad his first year. Often on screens or rubs, he would switch to the wrong man or not close out, and guys got a lot of open looks. I hope that has changed with another year of practice under his belt.
Fair enough, im not saying you guys are wrong. He didnt play much past the first 6-7 games of the year during last season. My recollection is him never really straying to far out past 15 feet, looking to post, had a couple hook shots, and hit some mid range jumpers following pick and rolls. He had a long way to go but maybe it was tough for him to play with sampson? who knows. I think he will be one of our 5 best players next year. S
Starting lineup of
Jamal
rysheed
Dlo
CJ
Obekpa
and I will be ecstatic about next year. Felix gets sf minutes, phil gets guard minutes, hooper gets quality and consistent minutes (gotta live with the defense) and Dom hopefully improves and excepts role as a physical role player who main job should be to not hurt the team.
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this made me LOL on a week with so much shit....
(http://i.imgur.com/jS519zE.png)
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You guys are amazingly observant. I don't recall seeing enough of Christian Jones to say what he was good at and what his deficiencies were. I do recall he was solidly built.
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Jones has the body of a four and had the mindset of a two or three. He keeps his head up and passes well with the ball...he's got a jumper that is at least equal to Sampson--although I doubt he'd be able to get it off as easily--he defends the post well and doesn't get moved around, but he didn't show 1/10th the quickness or explosion of Sampson around the basket. I know the kid can jump, but you guys have to separate that from functional explosion...he moved like he wore ten pound ankle weights and a fifty pound weighted vest.
The good news is that the jump from frosh to soph is usually the biggest and he had an extra year to make it. I am expecting him to replace GG's minutes, but I could see him taking Orlando's if he has improved. We'll know right away.
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Jones has the body of a four and had the mindset of a two or three. He keeps his head up and passes well with the ball...he's got a jumper that is at least equal to Sampson--although I doubt he'd be able to get it off as easily--he defends the post well and doesn't get moved around, but he didn't show 1/10th the quickness or explosion of Sampson around the basket. I know the kid can jump, but you guys have to separate that from functional explosion...he moved like he wore ten pound ankle weights and a fifty pound weighted vest.
The good news is that the jump from frosh to soph is usually the biggest and he had an extra year to make it. I am expecting him to replace GG's minutes, but I could see him taking Orlando's if he has improved. We'll know right away.
So if he takes GG's minutes who takes the other 40 frontcourt minutes up for grabs?
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JaKarr's 3 pointer has improved. looks nice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mI_WVgMML8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mI_WVgMML8)
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looks like hooper from 3
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JaKarr's 3 pointer has improved. looks nice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mI_WVgMML8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mI_WVgMML8)
Ugly, slow shot. He looks like has put on a few pounds of muscle the last five weeks training.
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CO needs to do that.....I meant ball going through the hoop looked like hooper...
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JaKarr's 3 pointer has improved. looks nice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mI_WVgMML8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mI_WVgMML8)
Ugly, slow shot. He looks like has put on a few pounds of muscle the last five weeks training.
Think he looks good and should have worked on these skills while he was here
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JaKarr's 3 pointer has improved. looks nice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mI_WVgMML8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mI_WVgMML8)
Ugly, slow shot. He looks like has put on a few pounds of muscle the last five weeks training.
Think he looks good and should have worked on these skills while he was here
That's all he worked on and that was the problem. If he worked on his game inside-out intead of outside-in, we would have danced and he would have been drafted.
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he shows the ball on every dunk to the defender on his hip. an easy strip going through the lane.
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It's amazing how Sampson's skills have deteriorated in the 3 weeks since he announced his decision to play professional basketball. I can only imagine how awful he'll be by June.
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he shows the ball on every dunk to the defender on his hip. an easy strip going through the lane.
Lucky for him, his poor handle will never allow him to get that far to being with :)
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Nate isn't as down on Jakarr as many on here...
Nathan Blue @Nateblueis4real Mar 27
@KarrSampson14 has a lot of confidence and was ROY and a top prep player…somebody will take a chance on him, if they're smart.
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I hope the kid makes it... Stranger things have happened. I will be rooting for him 1000%
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I hope the kid makes it... Stranger things have happened. I will be rooting for him 1000%
+1
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I really believe someone will. This years draft is pretty deep with players who will major contributors right away and few years down the line, but with a bunch of teams having multiple picks he might just be taken as a guy who can be stashed away for a few years.
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IMO there isn't much difference between Jeremi Grant and JaKarr Sampson. Grant is a lotto pick and Sampson is undrafted. That can change quickly with some good showings in workouts/combine.
Rooting for Sampson.
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Just because someone does not think it was the right move for JaKarr to enter the NBA Draft does not mean we are not rooting for him to be a huge success in the NBA.
I watched the Video of his recent work out. Watching him shoot the ball without the hitch and bang down 3's. During the season JaKarr was 1-5 form 3 all year. Does that leave anyone else scratching their head?
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I think Sampson will actually have a decent NBA career. He's certainly more of a wing, and if he can get that outside shot and handle improved, he's got other skills. He's got bonafide nba athleticism and ability there. In addition, he's got a great midrange jumper which almost nobody in college has. He might not make a huge splash right away, but I think he'll stick in the nba for a while. We should all wish him the best of luck. If he works hard, he has some qualities that I think could translate well.
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IMO there isn't much difference between Jeremi Grant and JaKarr Sampson.
You have got to be kidding me.
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After embiid Parker wiggins I think Jakaar can have just as good as a career
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The only place he'll have a good professional career will be in Europe. He doesn't have the 3 point range needed for a 3 or the low post game needed for a 4 in the NBA. Not to mention he's a liability on D. I hope he proves me wrong
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If I'm not mistaken, his D on McDermott helped beat Creighton.
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took my post down. We should support our players. Guys who come here owe the school and fans something also.
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100% rooting for JaKarr. Just don't see a team using a 1st round pick on the guy.
I guess there might be a team willing to take a chance on him in the late 2nd round, but he just has so many holes in his game right now.
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I'd like to catch him over here on Paris Levallois.
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@NYPost_Brazille: Spoke to JaKarr Sampson Found this interesting "Felt like I could definitely develop faster in NBA or D-League than could in college"#sjubb
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@NYPost_Brazille: Spoke to JaKarr Sampson Found this interesting "Felt like I could definitely develop faster in NBA or D-League than could in college"#sjubb
Does it really matter if he's playing basketball at STJ or in the D-League if he's not paying attention on defense?
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http://nypost.com/2014/06/24/red-storms-sampson-feels-strongly-hell-be-drafted/ (http://nypost.com/2014/06/24/red-storms-sampson-feels-strongly-hell-be-drafted/)
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Every draft there are several delusional players who think scouts will all of the sudden see what they've been missing. I hope he one day makes it big, but it won't be on draft day. Too many players with more upside and higher IQs. Someone compared him to Grant on SU. That's insane. Grant is guaranteed to go in the first round. He knows what he's doing, and he's significantly larger and more talented than Sampson.
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Think I will make more teaching basketball in at a nyc middle school then Sampson will make playing. Not rooting against him. But not really rooting for him. I believe it is his right to what he wants but he did make a commitment to the school and team. He doesn't seem like he is honoring his commitment to me.
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Think I will make more teaching basketball in at a nyc middle school then Sampson will make playing. Not rooting against him. But not really rooting for him. I believe it is his right to what he wants but he did make a commitment to the school and team. He doesn't seem like he is honoring his commitment to me.
I'm certainly rooting for him. Just because he's delusional doesn't mean he doesn't deserve success. He still came here, and overall, he was a very good player.
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He just doesn't have NBA range nor does he play lock down defense. Somebody might take a flyer on him but I don't see it working out long term.
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JaKarr is right. He can develop faster.
Replace class with more practice and weight room. Making money to eat the right food. Also he won't be in the NBA so he won't be rotting at the end of a bench. He'll be just fine in the D-League.
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JaKarr is right. He can develop faster.
Replace class with more practice and weight room. Making money to eat the right food. Also he won't be in the NBA so he won't be rotting at the end of a bench. He'll be just fine in the D-League.
Jakarr said in the NBA or the D-League. In the D-League, you're right.
It's really sad that a kid who is far from a lock to play pro ball and make money doing it anywhere sees the D-League as a better option than 2 more years of college and getting a degree. I'm not, and never will be one of those people who roots against an STJ player with this dream. It's just disappointing that the risk isn't one he should be taking now.
We've all watched Jakarr enough to know that his game is limited, and against larger, more skilled and equally athletic comp, he'll be in deep shit.
Hope I'm wrong.
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JaKarr is right. He can develop faster.
Replace class with more practice and weight room. Making money to eat the right food. Also he won't be in the NBA so he won't be rotting at the end of a bench. He'll be just fine in the D-League.
What's the maximum D-league salary?
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JaKarr is right. He can develop faster.
Replace class with more practice and weight room. Making money to eat the right food. Also he won't be in the NBA so he won't be rotting at the end of a bench. He'll be just fine in the D-League.
What's the maximum D-league salary?
Salaries remain flat: $25,500, $19,000 and $13,000 for the league's three player classifications, which means D-League players are virtually playing for free -- and a modest per diem on the road of $40 compared to $120 in the NBA -- although they do receive housing and insurance benefits. The D-League also employs a per-team salary cap of $173,000 ... with a dollar-for-dollar luxury tax, just like in the NBA, for teams that go over that amount. Foreign teams that want to pull players out of the D-League must pay $40,000, $45,000 or $50,000, depending on the player's classification, to buy out their D-League deals.
http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2014/1/9/5291852/has-the-maximum-nba-d-league-player-salary-increased (http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2014/1/9/5291852/has-the-maximum-nba-d-league-player-salary-increased)
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JaKarr is right. He can develop faster.
Replace class with more practice and weight room. Making money to eat the right food. Also he won't be in the NBA so he won't be rotting at the end of a bench. He'll be just fine in the D-League.
What's the maximum D-league salary?
Salaries remain flat: $25,500, $19,000 and $13,000 for the league's three player classifications, which means D-League players are virtually playing for free -- and a modest per diem on the road of $40 compared to $120 in the NBA -- although they do receive housing and insurance benefits. The D-League also employs a per-team salary cap of $173,000 ... with a dollar-for-dollar luxury tax, just like in the NBA, for teams that go over that amount. Foreign teams that want to pull players out of the D-League must pay $40,000, $45,000 or $50,000, depending on the player's classification, to buy out their D-League deals.
http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2014/1/9/5291852/has-the-maximum-nba-d-league-player-salary-increased (http://www.ridiculousupside.com/2014/1/9/5291852/has-the-maximum-nba-d-league-player-salary-increased)
Sounds like he won't be just fine in the D-league then if he never progresses past that level. But at least he has that college degree to fall back on.
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JaKarr is right. He can develop faster.
Replace class with more practice and weight room. Making money to eat the right food. Also he won't be in the NBA so he won't be rotting at the end of a bench. He'll be just fine in the D-League.
What are you talking about? D-League guys are at the poverty level or below. Where is he "making money to eat the right food"? How can he afford protein shakes, supplements, and the ridiculous calorie load he will need on that salary? His agent will get a cut of that too.
Any kid that thinks they can develop better in the D-Leauge is off their rocker. The coaches are MUCH better at the college level...they have better facilities, video rooms, and strength programs with devoted personnel.
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In the D-League, the player stands the chance of getting called up to the league. If it isn't going to happen, the eventually accept that fact and go overseasand make money there. The problem with staying in college is that the NBA now pegs a kid as a player, or not, early in his college career. Jakarr is 2 years behind the one and dones. A third year is not going to improve his draft stock unless he makes some remarkable leap in terms of skills. Sometimes a kid, such as McDermott, show more in their Jr. and Sr. years than they did early on, and improve their draft stock. That rarely happens. If the league doesn't feel you're good enough after 2 years of college ball, it is unlikely that they will draft you later on.
Jakarr did what he feels is best for him. I think he might have improved enough next year to get drafted, but that is not a certainty. Just my opinion.
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Coming back one more year and making a concerted effort to rebound so that the RPG matches his athleticism certainly would have attracted overseas scouts. Much better than toiling in the D-League in my opinion.
But I guess if you'd prefer to play in Bixby, Okla., or Hidalgo, Texas, instead of Israel, that's your right.
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http://nypost.com/2014/06/24/red-storms-sampson-feels-strongly-hell-be-drafted/ (http://nypost.com/2014/06/24/red-storms-sampson-feels-strongly-hell-be-drafted/)
Good kid...hope good things happen for him
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JaKarr is right. He can develop faster.
Replace class with more practice and weight room. Making money to eat the right food. Also he won't be in the NBA so he won't be rotting at the end of a bench. He'll be just fine in the D-League.
What are you talking about? D-League guys are at the poverty level or below. Where is he "making money to eat the right food"? How can he afford protein shakes, supplements, and the ridiculous calorie load he will need on that salary? His agent will get a cut of that too.
Any kid that thinks they can develop better in the D-Leauge is off their rocker. The coaches are MUCH better at the college level...they have better facilities, video rooms, and strength programs with devoted personnel.
Or he makes 6 figures overseas.
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JaKarr is right. He can develop faster.
Replace class with more practice and weight room. Making money to eat the right food. Also he won't be in the NBA so he won't be rotting at the end of a bench. He'll be just fine in the D-League.
What are you talking about? D-League guys are at the poverty level or below. Where is he "making money to eat the right food"? How can he afford protein shakes, supplements, and the ridiculous calorie load he will need on that salary? His agent will get a cut of that too.
Any kid that thinks they can develop better in the D-Leauge is off their rocker. The coaches are MUCH better at the college level...they have better facilities, video rooms, and strength programs with devoted personnel.
Or he makes 6 figures overseas.
High 6 figures, or low 6 figures? Because if he's making 200K for 10 years, and he's got no college degree, after taxes, family which he'll no doubt be supporting, and basic life expenses, he'll be a 32 year old man back in the US looking for work, and he'll be qualified to supersize your lunch order.
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JaKarr is right. He can develop faster.
Replace class with more practice and weight room. Making money to eat the right food. Also he won't be in the NBA so he won't be rotting at the end of a bench. He'll be just fine in the D-League.
What are you talking about? D-League guys are at the poverty level or below. Where is he "making money to eat the right food"? How can he afford protein shakes, supplements, and the ridiculous calorie load he will need on that salary? His agent will get a cut of that too.
Any kid that thinks they can develop better in the D-Leauge is off their rocker. The coaches are MUCH better at the college level...they have better facilities, video rooms, and strength programs with devoted personnel.
Or he makes 6 figures overseas.
High 6 figures, or low 6 figures? Because if he's making 200K for 10 years, and he's got no college degree, after taxes, family which he'll no doubt be supporting, and basic life expenses, he'll be a 32 year old man back in the US looking for work, and he'll be qualified to supersize your lunch order.
Poison, I think you forget how many of these kids grow up! If Jakarr can make $2M over the next 10 years, he may be the only person in his family to make that much in their entire lifetimes! That also gives him another 30 years to make money doing whatever...on top of the $2M (Yes, pre-tax) from the next 10 years. In all likelihood, it will be even more than that, too.
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JaKarr is right. He can develop faster.
Replace class with more practice and weight room. Making money to eat the right food. Also he won't be in the NBA so he won't be rotting at the end of a bench. He'll be just fine in the D-League.
What are you talking about? D-League guys are at the poverty level or below. Where is he "making money to eat the right food"? How can he afford protein shakes, supplements, and the ridiculous calorie load he will need on that salary? His agent will get a cut of that too.
Any kid that thinks they can develop better in the D-Leauge is off their rocker. The coaches are MUCH better at the college level...they have better facilities, video rooms, and strength programs with devoted personnel.
Or he makes 6 figures overseas.
High 6 figures, or low 6 figures? Because if he's making 200K for 10 years, and he's got no college degree, after taxes, family which he'll no doubt be supporting, and basic life expenses, he'll be a 32 year old man back in the US looking for work, and he'll be qualified to supersize your lunch order.
Poison, I think you forget how many of these kids grow up! If Jakarr can make $2M over the next 10 years, he may be the only person in his family to make that much in their entire lifetimes! That also gives him another 30 years to make money doing whatever...on top of the $2M (Yes, pre-tax) from the next 10 years. In all likelihood, it will be even more than that, too.
Some do grow up. Most are never heard from again. Everyone keeps saying Jakarr has a good head on his shoulders. It really seems like he doesn't.
As far as his future earnings go, that's my point. It's not possible to count future pay checks. Should he hurt his knee, or his back, that's it. He's got nothing. A college degree from STJ may not be as valuable as degrees from other BE schools, but it's certainly better than no degree. This isn't Moe Harkless, where he knew he was a first round pick. He's unlikely to get picked, because he's simply not good enough to get picked.
And ya know what, 2 million dollars after taxes, when you're not qualified to do anything else, isn't that much money. You're not buying more than a nice house with it, and after that, you've got expenses that are never going away. It's very short-sighted of Jakarr to jump ship now. He could wind up with no job, no degree and an uncertain future in every regard.
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JaKarr is right. He can develop faster.
Replace class with more practice and weight room. Making money to eat the right food. Also he won't be in the NBA so he won't be rotting at the end of a bench. He'll be just fine in the D-League.
What are you talking about? D-League guys are at the poverty level or below. Where is he "making money to eat the right food"? How can he afford protein shakes, supplements, and the ridiculous calorie load he will need on that salary? His agent will get a cut of that too.
Any kid that thinks they can develop better in the D-Leauge is off their rocker. The coaches are MUCH better at the college level...they have better facilities, video rooms, and strength programs with devoted personnel.
Or he makes 6 figures overseas.
High 6 figures, or low 6 figures? Because if he's making 200K for 10 years, and he's got no college degree, after taxes, family which he'll no doubt be supporting, and basic life expenses, he'll be a 32 year old man back in the US looking for work, and he'll be qualified to supersize your lunch order.
If he's makin 200k per year he would be qualified to be the owner, not the worker. Many players with degree's still end up broke after their career's are done. Like many althletes, its the decisions that he makes while he is earning that would be the issue. Good luck to him.
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Should he hurt his knee, or his back, that's it. He's got nothing.
Not to worry: any competent agent will have him insured.
And ya know what, 2 million dollars after taxes, when you're not qualified to do anything else, isn't that much money.
He'll be qualified to coach basketball, if nothing else. Or he could go to work for Max Hooper's father, or do any one of a thousand other things, including going back to school when he's thirty - which is the new sixteen - and pay for his degree in cash.
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200K a year is a damn good living, unless you plan on living in NYC, which, newsflash, everyone doesn't want to do..
That kind of money can provide for a very nice life in many beautiful areas of this country and beyond..
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Should he hurt his knee, or his back, that's it. He's got nothing.
Not to worry: any competent agent will have him insured.
And ya know what, 2 million dollars after taxes, when you're not qualified to do anything else, isn't that much money.
He'll be qualified to coach basketball, if nothing else. Or he could go to work for Max Hooper's father, or do any one of a thousand other things, including going back to school when he's thirty - which is the new sixteen - and pay for his degree in cash.
We watched Jakarr play this season, and a good deal of the time, he didn't even know what kind of defense he was supposed to be playing. That's not a coach in the making IMO.
I understand the rationale for leaving from the player's POV. He could blow out his knee next season, and end his basketball playing career. But what if he doesn't get drafted, and doesn't get very much interest overseas? Then what? No degree. Very little basketball money, and no future, and for what? Because he couldn't wait until he was ready?
This ain't Omar Cook. He's not a great rebounder, shooter, dribbler, passer or defender. He's very quick, and athletic. And so are a lot of other guys. Take a look at the starting 5 on a D-League roster. Who does he even start over?
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200K a year is a damn good living, unless you plan on living in NYC, which, newsflash, everyone doesn't want to do..
That kind of money can provide for a very nice life in many beautiful areas of this country and beyond..
It's not such a damn good living if you stop making that money after 10 years, and you've got a family to support.
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There always seems to be the premise that once a kid leaves school early, he is never allowed to go back and get his degree. There is also this premise that because he is a basketball player, all he can do is flip burgers. Maybe he goes back and gets his degree and goes on for a professional degree. Maybe he becomes a plumber or electrician or goes into construction. Maybe Real Estate. Maybe he buys a franchise of some kind. Let's stop labelling all athletes as having no intelligence. I've got news for you, if a kid has so little intelligence in the first place, that St. John's degree would probably do little for him in the first place.
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There always seems to be the premise that once a kid leaves school early, he is never allowed to go back and get his degree. There is also this premise that because he is a basketball player, all he can do is flip burgers. Maybe he goes back and gets his degree and goes on for a professional degree. Maybe he becomes a plumber or electrician or goes into construction. Maybe Real Estate. Maybe he buys a franchise of some kind. Let's stop labelling all athletes as having no intelligence. I've got news for you, if a kid has so little intelligence in the first place, that St. John's degree would probably do little for him in the first place.
If you're good enough, by all means go pro, and tear it up in the league or even Europe.
But what if you're not good enough?
IMO, Jakarr is very talented, but he's not good enough yet.
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I think a lot of people overvalue the benefit of a degree in modern times. A degree doesn't carry the weight it used to and most graduates are getting jobs in fields other than what they studied.
200K a year is more than most on this board will make in the most financially prosperous year of their life, let alone most kids in inner cities (generally speaking - I don't know Sampson's family's financial background). Will it support him the rest of his life? Of course not! But neither will the 30k I make...that's why I plan on going to work tomorrow. It's a lot easier to get started with 200k than it is with 30k, no?
So you tell me, would you rather go to school for four years and come out making 40-50k a year? Or earn 200k for a few years, and then take your time deciding what you want to be when you grow up? If I had the option, I'd certainly go with choice B.
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I think he is goo enough to make a decent living in Europe. If he isn't, he can come back (after earning a few paychecks) and go back to school. College will still be available to him.
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I have degrees and a job, if you told me I could trade them in for 10 years in europe at 200k/year I would do it in a heartbeat. That argument is silly.
The real question, in my mind, is whether he can have that sort of career -- that isn't so clear.
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I know a guy who played baseball in Italy for a few years. He made less money than the basketball players will. I don't think he regrets any of the time he spent there.
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The big problem I see is that I think that $200,000 figure being thrown around would have been a lock/near lock if he returned for one more year. I just don't think he's good enough for the Euro leagues that can afford to pay.
A real-life job after graduating college would pay as much as D-league, so his decision is a poor one in my opinion, but I'm not his mommy or his agent, so my opinion means nothing to him. Good luck to him.
As Foad pointed out, he's not without options should a playing career flame out, but I'd like to add that getting a coaching job without a degree is nearly impossible, so he's going to have to go back to school anyway if that's what he wants to do.
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I know a guy who played baseball in Italy for a few years. He made less money than the basketball players will. I don't think he regrets any of the time he spent there.
Bottom line, he will be getting paid to play basketball, a game he loves, and live overseas for a few years. Things could be worse.
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200k annually is a lot of money for a kid in his 20 s. If he is smart he can invest some every year, the problem is most of these kids spend it as fast as they make it and don't plan for a rainy day.
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The big problem I see is that I think that $200,000 figure being thrown around would have been a lock/near lock if he returned for one more year. I just don't think he's good enough for the Euro leagues that can afford to pay.
A real-life job after graduating college would pay as much as D-league, so his decision is a poor one in my opinion, but I'm not his mommy or his agent, so my opinion means nothing to him. Good luck to him.
As Foad pointed out, he's not without options should a playing career flame out, but I'd like to add that getting a coaching job without a degree is nearly impossible, so he's going to have to go back to school anyway if that's what he wants to do.
Should a playing career flame out he is without options. That's the point. That's the only point.
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Why is he without options? Why is there this assumption that these kids are complete nice persons who cannot become function and successful adults if they can't play basketball?
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Why is he without options? Why is there this assumption that these kids are complete nice persons who cannot become function and successful adults if they can't play basketball?
Not "these" kids. THIS kid.
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Why is he without options? Why is there this assumption that these kids are complete nice persons who cannot become function and successful adults if they can't play basketball?
Not "these" kids. THIS kid.
Does Jakarr have a mental defect that the rest of us don't know about?
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Why is he without options? Why is there this assumption that these kids are complete nice persons who cannot become function and successful adults if they can't play basketball?
Not "these" kids. THIS kid.
Does Jakarr have a mental defect that the rest of us don't know about?
No. Just a low basketball IQ. One of the lowest I've seen at St.John's.
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Why is he without options? Why is there this assumption that these kids are complete nice persons who cannot become function and successful adults if they can't play basketball?
Not "these" kids. THIS kid.
Does Jakarr have a mental defect that the rest of us don't know about?
No. Just a low basketball IQ. One of the lowest I've seen at St.John's.
I have several friends with low basketball IQs (and a few with low IQs in general) who make very good livings.
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Why is he without options? Why is there this assumption that these kids are complete nice persons who cannot become function and successful adults if they can't play basketball?
Not "these" kids. THIS kid.
Does Jakarr have a mental defect that the rest of us don't know about?
No. Just a low basketball IQ. One of the lowest I've seen at St.John's.
I have several friends with low basketball IQs (and a few with low IQs in general) who make very good livings.
Exactly. Not sure what Bball IQ has to do with success outside of basketball. In interviews and what I know about Jakarr, he's a good kid who has a good head on his shoulders. Obviously you're bitter he left SJU, but that was his decision, we have to accept it and support a guy who represented SJU well. He is in good shape going forward even without getting drafted.
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Between his ties to SJU Alums in the NBA and other walks of life, Lavs and his connections and Lebron he will get his chance to catch on somewhere either here or overseas. Not gonna lose to much sleep over what Jakarr will be earning at 27 yrs old but i do wish him lots of success wherever he lands.
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Jakarr went undrafted. There must be some mistake?
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Kid played hard and just didn't want to be in school anymore. Whether it was to play basketball overseas( if Geno could get paid to play, someone in some country will pay Jakar!), get a "real job" or just wander the Earth like the dude from Kung Fu, good luck to him. Poison is just bitter he left here, he does this to everyone who leaves early.
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The NBA draft is really just one and a half rounds now anyway. Half the 2nd round used to stash foreign players who averaged 5 points a game in some European league that only Fran Fraschilla has ever heard of.
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Kid played hard and just didn't want to be in school anymore. Whether it was to play basketball overseas( if Geno could get paid to play, someone in some country will pay Jakar!), get a "real job" or just wander the Earth like the dude from Kung Fu, good luck to him. Poison is just bitter he left here, he does this to everyone who leaves early.
Actually, no. I'm not bitter he left here. I'm bitter that this kid thinks he's better off playing in Malaysia than staying in school, getting better at basketball and getting his degree. Many of you think a bachelors degree doesn't mean much anymore. How valuable do you think a college dropout is to any employer?
Jakarr was invited to the 76ers summer league. Let's see how he does.
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Kid played hard and just didn't want to be in school anymore. Whether it was to play basketball overseas( if Geno could get paid to play, someone in some country will pay Jakar!), get a "real job" or just wander the Earth like the dude from Kung Fu, good luck to him. Poison is just bitter he left here, he does this to everyone who leaves early.
Actually, no. I'm not bitter he left here. I'm bitter that this kid thinks he's better off playing in Malaysia than staying in school, getting better at basketball and getting his degree. Many of you think a bachelors degree doesn't mean much anymore. How valuable do you think a college dropout is to any employer?
Jakarr was invited to the 76ers summer league. Let's see how he does.
I am sure Jakar and his people have a better understanding of his situation than anyone on this board. If he was happy here, going to school or both I am sure he would have stayed. Good luck!
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Kid played hard and just didn't want to be in school anymore. Whether it was to play basketball overseas( if Geno could get paid to play, someone in some country will pay Jakar!), get a "real job" or just wander the Earth like the dude from Kung Fu, good luck to him. Poison is just bitter he left here, he does this to everyone who leaves early.
Actually, no. I'm not bitter he left here. I'm bitter that this kid thinks he's better off playing in Malaysia than staying in school, getting better at basketball and getting his degree. Many of you think a bachelors degree doesn't mean much anymore. How valuable do you think a college dropout is to any employer?
Jakarr was invited to the 76ers summer league. Let's see how he does.
To your point of bachelor degrees, they do still hold value in my opinion, but the value is entirely based on your profession. In my profession, bachelor degree will get you your first job, after that, experience trumps all. I am a software developer.
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Kid played hard and just didn't want to be in school anymore. Whether it was to play basketball overseas( if Geno could get paid to play, someone in some country will pay Jakar!), get a "real job" or just wander the Earth like the dude from Kung Fu, good luck to him. Poison is just bitter he left here, he does this to everyone who leaves early.
Actually, no. I'm not bitter he left here. I'm bitter that this kid thinks he's better off playing in Malaysia than staying in school, getting better at basketball and getting his degree. Many of you think a bachelors degree doesn't mean much anymore. How valuable do you think a college dropout is to any employer?
Jakarr was invited to the 76ers summer league. Let's see how he does.
I am sure Jakar and his people have a better understanding of his situation than anyone on this board. If he was happy here, going to school or both I am sure he would have stayed. Good luck!
Just like Erick Barkley's people and Omar Cook's people did for them.
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Kid played hard and just didn't want to be in school anymore. Whether it was to play basketball overseas( if Geno could get paid to play, someone in some country will pay Jakar!), get a "real job" or just wander the Earth like the dude from Kung Fu, good luck to him. Poison is just bitter he left here, he does this to everyone who leaves early.
Actually, no. I'm not bitter he left here. I'm bitter that this kid thinks he's better off playing in Malaysia than staying in school, getting better at basketball and getting his degree. Many of you think a bachelors degree doesn't mean much anymore. How valuable do you think a college dropout is to any employer?
Jakarr was invited to the 76ers summer league. Let's see how he does.
I am sure Jakar and his people have a better understanding of his situation than anyone on this board. If he was happy here, going to school or both I am sure he would have stayed. Good luck!
Just like Erick Barkley's people and Omar Cook's people did for them.
The same that Maurice Harkless' and Ron Artest's did for them.
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Kid played hard and just didn't want to be in school anymore. Whether it was to play basketball overseas( if Geno could get paid to play, someone in some country will pay Jakar!), get a "real job" or just wander the Earth like the dude from Kung Fu, good luck to him. Poison is just bitter he left here, he does this to everyone who leaves early.
Actually, no. I'm not bitter he left here. I'm bitter that this kid thinks he's better off playing in Malaysia than staying in school, getting better at basketball and getting his degree. Many of you think a bachelors degree doesn't mean much anymore. How valuable do you think a college dropout is to any employer?
Jakarr was invited to the 76ers summer league. Let's see how he does.
I am sure Jakar and his people have a better understanding of his situation than anyone on this board. If he was happy here, going to school or both I am sure he would have stayed. Good luck!
Just like Erick Barkley's people and Omar Cook's people did for them.
Barkley got paid.
Cook's was a real bad decision financially. He would have been drafted in 1st round if he stayed another year or so.
Jakar knew he wasn't going to get drafted and opted out for his own reasons anyway. Honestly I really do not think staying a year or more would have helped him anyway. Would have helped SJU basketball program
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Kid played hard and just didn't want to be in school anymore. Whether it was to play basketball overseas( if Geno could get paid to play, someone in some country will pay Jakar!), get a "real job" or just wander the Earth like the dude from Kung Fu, good luck to him. Poison is just bitter he left here, he does this to everyone who leaves early.
Actually, no. I'm not bitter he left here. I'm bitter that this kid thinks he's better off playing in Malaysia than staying in school, getting better at basketball and getting his degree. Many of you think a bachelors degree doesn't mean much anymore. How valuable do you think a college dropout is to any employer?
Jakarr was invited to the 76ers summer league. Let's see how he does.
I am sure Jakar and his people have a better understanding of his situation than anyone on this board. If he was happy here, going to school or both I am sure he would have stayed. Good luck!
Just like Erick Barkley's people and Omar Cook's people did for them.
Barkley got paid.
Cook's was a real bad decision financially. He would have been drafted in 1st round if he stayed another year or so.
Jakar knew he wasn't going to get drafted and opted out for his own reasons anyway. Honestly I really do not think staying a year or more would have helped him anyway. Would have helped SJU basketball program
+1, I absolutely agree wasju.
The tragedy here, if there is one, is that jakarr doesn't enjoy going to school.
As far as a basketball decision, this is at worst a wash. He's no better or worse off basketball - wise then if he played another 2 years here.
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We watched Jakarr play this season, and a good deal of the time, he didn't even know what kind of defense he was supposed to be playing. That's not a coach in the making IMO.
At least one great BB mind disagrees with you:
"In 1997, it was at its best. The great thing was the timeouts. Charles (O'Bannon) would say, 'What are we in?' And two guys would say, 'We're in quicksand,' and the other three would say, 'We're in man-to-man.' I'd say, 'Good. That's how we want it."'
-- Steve Lavin
I understand the rationale for leaving from the player's POV. He could blow out his knee next season, and end his basketball playing career. But what if he doesn't get drafted, and doesn't get very much interest overseas? Then what? No degree. Very little basketball money, and no future, and for what? Because he couldn't wait until he was ready?
Ready for what according to who? To be an NBA player according to you (and NBA scouts evidently)? He's ready from his perspective to be a professional basketball player. Good for him.
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We watched Jakarr play this season, and a good deal of the time, he didn't even know what kind of defense he was supposed to be playing. That's not a coach in the making IMO.
At least one great BB mind disagrees with you:
"In 1997, it was at its best. The great thing was the timeouts. Charles (O'Bannon) would say, 'What are we in?' And two guys would say, 'We're in quicksand,' and the other three would say, 'We're in man-to-man.' I'd say, 'Good. That's how we want it."'
-- Steve Lavin
I understand the rationale for leaving from the player's POV. He could blow out his knee next season, and end his basketball playing career. But what if he doesn't get drafted, and doesn't get very much interest overseas? Then what? No degree. Very little basketball money, and no future, and for what? Because he couldn't wait until he was ready?
Ready for what according to who? To be an NBA player according to you (and NBA scouts evidently)? He's ready from his perspective to be a professional basketball player. Good for him.
Ready to play at a high enough level of college basketball so that a pro team that could pay him the wage he expects to make would actually hire him. That kind of ready. Right now, he's a good BE player. No better.
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Omar Cook made millions playing basketball overseas. His leaving town hurt St John's bigtime...but him? Not so much.
http://www.slamonline.com/other-ballers/omar-cook-one-consequence/ (http://www.slamonline.com/other-ballers/omar-cook-one-consequence/)
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Omar Cook made millions playing basketball overseas. His leaving town hurt St John's bigtime...but him? Not so much.
http://www.slamonline.com/other-ballers/omar-cook-one-consequence/ (http://www.slamonline.com/other-ballers/omar-cook-one-consequence/)
Cook and Sampson are really different situations to me. Cook had a legit shot to be a first rounder (picked #32) and was a lock to be drafted--some even thought he could be the first PG taken--while Sampson had no prayer. Cook was two years younger, and was able to play top Euro ball level. No matter what he was going to get paid a lot. Cook's draft was weak overall and one of the weakest drafts for guards in the history of the NBA. Sampson's draft was very strong--strongest at his position.
Everyone just assumes Cook would have been a lottery pick the next year. He wasn't a great shooter or athlete and lacked ideal size...that wasn't going to change in a year. He was already passing at an elite level as a frosh (8.7 assist per game!)...his stock could have very well been at its highest then. After your soph year, improvement and skills become more important that potential.
The 2001 draft was one of the weakest drafts for guards in the history of the NBA. The first PG taken, Raul Lopez of Spain, was at #24. The first player under 6'6, Joseph Forte, wasn't taken auntil #21. This was the Kwame Brown/Eddie Griffin/Eddie Curry draft. The following year, Jay Williams was the first PG at #2 and Dejaun Wager was taken #6. I was at that draft too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_NBA_draft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_NBA_draft)
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http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/jeff-goodman/post?id=3821 (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/jeff-goodman/post?id=3821)
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http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/jeff-goodman/post?id=3821 (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/jeff-goodman/post?id=3821)
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http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/jeff-goodman/post?id=3821 (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/jeff-goodman/post?id=3821)
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What makes his decision bad wasn't because he left college. His decision was bad because he thought he was going to get drafted in the first or second round. Those of you who think he left with the thoughts of persuing his dream of playing in Turkey are fooling yourselves.
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http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/jeff-goodman/post?id=3821 (http://insider.espn.go.com/blog/jeff-goodman/post?id=3821)
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What makes his decision bad wasn't because he left college. His decision was bad because he thought he was going to get drafted in the first or second round. Those of you who think he left with the thoughts of persuing his dream of playing in Turkey are fooling yourselves.
IDK if they are fooling themselves as much as they just suck at math.
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Sampson played least on his team. scored 1 point. Ron roberts started had 12 points 9 rebounds
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Sampson played least on his team. scored 1 point. Ron roberts started had 12 points 9 rebounds
I think in Summer league play they give certain players the majority of the mins in alternating games. Sampson should get those mins next game
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Fwiw;
@kc1nyk: #stats #76ers-#Rockets Line of the Game: #FreeAgency Undrafted Rookie SF-SG JaKarr Sampson for #Sixers: 13 pts, 8 reb, 2 ast, 2 blk, 3 stl.
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Fwiw;
@kc1nyk: #stats #76ers-#Rockets Line of the Game: #FreeAgency Undrafted Rookie SF-SG JaKarr Sampson for #Sixers: 13 pts, 8 reb, 2 ast, 2 blk, 3 stl.
I see that two players from the D league were selected in this year's draft, including PG Harrison in the first round. In light of that Sampson's decision to pursue his own basketball education full time while playing BB for money makes some sense. Especially considering who he'd have been learning basketball from had he remained in school.
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Fwiw;
@kc1nyk: #stats #76ers-#Rockets Line of the Game: #FreeAgency Undrafted Rookie SF-SG JaKarr Sampson for #Sixers: 13 pts, 8 reb, 2 ast, 2 blk, 3 stl.
I see that two players from the D league were selected in this year's draft, including PG Harrison in the first round. In light of that Sampson's decision to pursue his own basketball education full time while playing BB for money makes some sense. Especially considering who he'd have been learning basketball from had he remained in school.
It does make some sense. It just doesn't make a lot of sense. So the NBDL produced 2 NBA players in this past draft. That's not a ringing endorsement for their ability to develop players. How much money will Sampson be making? $20,000? $25,000? If STJ costs 60K per year, a student would need to have approximately $120K to pay for one year of college. Seems to me like the value of the NBDL in terms of both NBA opportunity and money is pretty bad.
A much better option would be Italy, France or Spain. Walter Berry made over a million dollars a year.
But then again, this is Jakarr Sampson. It sure ain't The Truth.
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Fwiw;
@kc1nyk: #stats #76ers-#Rockets Line of the Game: #FreeAgency Undrafted Rookie SF-SG JaKarr Sampson for #Sixers: 13 pts, 8 reb, 2 ast, 2 blk, 3 stl.
I see that two players from the D league were selected in this year's draft, including PG Harrison in the first round. In light of that Sampson's decision to pursue his own basketball education full time while playing BB for money makes some sense. Especially considering who he'd have been learning basketball from had he remained in school.
It does make some sense. It just doesn't make a lot of sense. So the NBDL produced 2 NBA players in this past draft. That's not a ringing endorsement for their ability to develop players. How much money will Sampson be making? $20,000? $25,000? If STJ costs 60K per year, a student would need to have approximately $120K to pay for one year of college. Seems to me like the value of the NBDL in terms of both NBA opportunity and money is pretty bad.
A much better option would be Italy, France or Spain. Walter Berry made over a million dollars a year.
But then again, this is Jakarr Sampson. It sure ain't The Truth.
I agree that Jakarr Sampson is not as good as just about the best player SJU ever produced (what? Chris who?) and that it is unlikely that he will make Berry money. It is also unlikely that he will ever be as good as Berry, no matter how many years he stays in school and how many PhDs he gets. I agree that he would make more money in Europe than the D league. My only point was that between staying in school for one more year hoping to get drafted after learning BB part time from Coach Tesla and hoping to get drafted after studying BB full time from dedicated personal trainers, strength coaches, and whoever else while getting paid, the former doesn't seem to be that bad an idea. As usual YMMV.
He can always go to college. He can always get a crappy degree from a crappy school like SJ. He is just as likely to break his leg in the D league as in the BE. There is no right answer. College is overrated and most people are too stupid to learn anyway. Increasingly I find the examined life is not worth living all together and all of it is shit. If that's the case, why not bounce a ball and bang some milk fed Montana cheerleaders and take advantage of the $40 per diem. Maybe he hates school. Maybe he hates Lavin. Maybe he hates red and antediluvian sweater mythology. Maybe he hates redman dot com. Maybe he's doing what he wants. Maybe he's happy. Maybe all in all he'd rather be in Philadelphia. Maybe you're projecting your expectations onto a kid who doesn't share them, or maybe your prejudices. Maybe I maybe am. There's lots of maybes, which maybe he is in the best position to analyze, because maybe it's his life.
You all say he stinks in one breath and in the other that one more year of seasoning and he'll play himself into a lottery pick. None of this scans. It's like he raped a nun or something.
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Fwiw;
@kc1nyk: #stats #76ers-#Rockets Line of the Game: #FreeAgency Undrafted Rookie SF-SG JaKarr Sampson for #Sixers: 13 pts, 8 reb, 2 ast, 2 blk, 3 stl.
I see that two players from the D league were selected in this year's draft, including PG Harrison in the first round. In light of that Sampson's decision to pursue his own basketball education full time while playing BB for money makes some sense. Especially considering who he'd have been learning basketball from had he remained in school.
It does make some sense. It just doesn't make a lot of sense. So the NBDL produced 2 NBA players in this past draft. That's not a ringing endorsement for their ability to develop players. How much money will Sampson be making? $20,000? $25,000? If STJ costs 60K per year, a student would need to have approximately $120K to pay for one year of college. Seems to me like the value of the NBDL in terms of both NBA opportunity and money is pretty bad.
A much better option would be Italy, France or Spain. Walter Berry made over a million dollars a year.
But then again, this is Jakarr Sampson. It sure ain't The Truth.
I agree that Jakarr Sampson is not as good as just about the best player SJU ever produced (what? Chris who?) and that it is unlikely that he will make Berry money. It is also unlikely that he will ever be as good as Berry, no matter how many years he stays in school and how many PhDs he gets. I agree that he would make more money in Europe than the D league. My only point was that between staying in school for one more year hoping to get drafted after learning BB part time from Coach Tesla and hoping to get drafted after studying BB full time from dedicated personal trainers, strength coaches, and whoever else while getting paid, the former doesn't seem to be that bad an idea. As usual YMMV.
He can always go to college. He can always get a crappy degree from a crappy school like SJ. He is just as likely to break his leg in the D league as in the BE. There is no right answer. College is overrated and most people are too stupid to learn anyway. Increasingly I find the examined life is not worth living all together and all of it is shit. If that's the case, why not bounce a ball and bang some milk fed Montana cheerleaders and take advantage of the $40 per diem. Maybe he hates school. Maybe he hates Lavin. Maybe he hates red and antediluvian sweater mythology. Maybe he hates redman dot com. Maybe he's doing what he wants. Maybe he's happy. Maybe all in all he'd rather be in Philadelphia. Maybe you're projecting your expectations onto a kid who doesn't share them, or maybe your prejudices. Maybe I maybe am. There's lots of maybes, which maybe he is in the best position to analyze, because maybe it's his life.
You all say he stinks in one breath and in the other that one more year of seasoning and he'll play himself into a lottery pick. None of this scans. It's like he raped a nun or something.
Foad - never stop posting, love your takes!
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Can't make a freethrow aside from that, he's played well in summer league. But I think his ft% is like below 20.
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Fwiw;
@kc1nyk: #stats #76ers-#Rockets Line of the Game: #FreeAgency Undrafted Rookie SF-SG JaKarr Sampson for #Sixers: 13 pts, 8 reb, 2 ast, 2 blk, 3 stl.
I see that two players from the D league were selected in this year's draft, including PG Harrison in the first round. In light of that Sampson's decision to pursue his own basketball education full time while playing BB for money makes some sense. Especially considering who he'd have been learning basketball from had he remained in school.
It does make some sense. It just doesn't make a lot of sense. So the NBDL produced 2 NBA players in this past draft. That's not a ringing endorsement for their ability to develop players. How much money will Sampson be making? $20,000? $25,000? If STJ costs 60K per year, a student would need to have approximately $120K to pay for one year of college. Seems to me like the value of the NBDL in terms of both NBA opportunity and money is pretty bad.
A much better option would be Italy, France or Spain. Walter Berry made over a million dollars a year.
But then again, this is Jakarr Sampson. It sure ain't The Truth.
I agree that Jakarr Sampson is not as good as just about the best player SJU ever produced (what? Chris who?) and that it is unlikely that he will make Berry money. It is also unlikely that he will ever be as good as Berry, no matter how many years he stays in school and how many PhDs he gets. I agree that he would make more money in Europe than the D league. My only point was that between staying in school for one more year hoping to get drafted after learning BB part time from Coach Tesla and hoping to get drafted after studying BB full time from dedicated personal trainers, strength coaches, and whoever else while getting paid, the former doesn't seem to be that bad an idea. As usual YMMV.
He can always go to college. He can always get a crappy degree from a crappy school like SJ. He is just as likely to break his leg in the D league as in the BE. There is no right answer. College is overrated and most people are too stupid to learn anyway. Increasingly I find the examined life is not worth living all together and all of it is shit. If that's the case, why not bounce a ball and bang some milk fed Montana cheerleaders and take advantage of the $40 per diem. Maybe he hates school. Maybe he hates Lavin. Maybe he hates red and antediluvian sweater mythology. Maybe he hates redman dot com. Maybe he's doing what he wants. Maybe he's happy. Maybe all in all he'd rather be in Philadelphia. Maybe you're projecting your expectations onto a kid who doesn't share them, or maybe your prejudices. Maybe I maybe am. There's lots of maybes, which maybe he is in the best position to analyze, because maybe it's his life.
You all say he stinks in one breath and in the other that one more year of seasoning and he'll play himself into a lottery pick. None of this scans. It's like he raped a nun or something.
Taking a salary of 20-25K, of which you'll take home 14K means that you're living either right around, or under the poverty line in place of essentially making 120K a year, which isn't bad for any 21 year old kid. STJ might be a crappy school. (I don't think it's so bad) But at that price, I'd agree with you. Still, it beats the hell out of no degree at all.
And again, I'm not suggesting that with one more year he'd get drafted. I don't think he's ever getting drafted, or making the league.
Choosing the NBDL over Europe or college is where I see the error in judgement. If it's money he wants, then go to Europe and make it.
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Fwiw;
@kc1nyk: #stats #76ers-#Rockets Line of the Game: #FreeAgency Undrafted Rookie SF-SG JaKarr Sampson for #Sixers: 13 pts, 8 reb, 2 ast, 2 blk, 3 stl.
I see that two players from the D league were selected in this year's draft, including PG Harrison in the first round. In light of that Sampson's decision to pursue his own basketball education full time while playing BB for money makes some sense. Especially considering who he'd have been learning basketball from had he remained in school.
It does make some sense. It just doesn't make a lot of sense. So the NBDL produced 2 NBA players in this past draft. That's not a ringing endorsement for their ability to develop players. How much money will Sampson be making? $20,000? $25,000? If STJ costs 60K per year, a student would need to have approximately $120K to pay for one year of college. Seems to me like the value of the NBDL in terms of both NBA opportunity and money is pretty bad.
A much better option would be Italy, France or Spain. Walter Berry made over a million dollars a year.
But then again, this is Jakarr Sampson. It sure ain't The Truth.
I agree that Jakarr Sampson is not as good as just about the best player SJU ever produced (what? Chris who?) and that it is unlikely that he will make Berry money. It is also unlikely that he will ever be as good as Berry, no matter how many years he stays in school and how many PhDs he gets. I agree that he would make more money in Europe than the D league. My only point was that between staying in school for one more year hoping to get drafted after learning BB part time from Coach Tesla and hoping to get drafted after studying BB full time from dedicated personal trainers, strength coaches, and whoever else while getting paid, the former doesn't seem to be that bad an idea. As usual YMMV.
He can always go to college. He can always get a crappy degree from a crappy school like SJ. He is just as likely to break his leg in the D league as in the BE. There is no right answer. College is overrated and most people are too stupid to learn anyway. Increasingly I find the examined life is not worth living all together and all of it is shit. If that's the case, why not bounce a ball and bang some milk fed Montana cheerleaders and take advantage of the $40 per diem. Maybe he hates school. Maybe he hates Lavin. Maybe he hates red and antediluvian sweater mythology. Maybe he hates redman dot com. Maybe he's doing what he wants. Maybe he's happy. Maybe all in all he'd rather be in Philadelphia. Maybe you're projecting your expectations onto a kid who doesn't share them, or maybe your prejudices. Maybe I maybe am. There's lots of maybes, which maybe he is in the best position to analyze, because maybe it's his life.
You all say he stinks in one breath and in the other that one more year of seasoning and he'll play himself into a lottery pick. None of this scans. It's like he raped a nun or something.
Taking a salary of 20-25K, of which you'll take home 14K means that you're living either right around, or under the poverty line in place of essentially making 120K a year, which isn't bad for any 21 year old kid. STJ might be a crappy school. (I don't think it's so bad) But at that price, I'd agree with you. Still, it beats the hell out of no degree at all.
And again, I'm not suggesting that with one more year he'd get drafted. I don't think he's ever getting drafted, or making the league.
Choosing the NBDL over Europe or college is where I see the error in judgement. If it's money he wants, then go to Europe and make it.
The D league schedule is 50 games in < 6 months. At 25 K plus housing, benefits and per diem it's a well paying part time job.
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Fwiw;
@kc1nyk: #stats #76ers-#Rockets Line of the Game: #FreeAgency Undrafted Rookie SF-SG JaKarr Sampson for #Sixers: 13 pts, 8 reb, 2 ast, 2 blk, 3 stl.
I see that two players from the D league were selected in this year's draft, including PG Harrison in the first round. In light of that Sampson's decision to pursue his own basketball education full time while playing BB for money makes some sense. Especially considering who he'd have been learning basketball from had he remained in school.
It does make some sense. It just doesn't make a lot of sense. So the NBDL produced 2 NBA players in this past draft. That's not a ringing endorsement for their ability to develop players. How much money will Sampson be making? $20,000? $25,000? If STJ costs 60K per year, a student would need to have approximately $120K to pay for one year of college. Seems to me like the value of the NBDL in terms of both NBA opportunity and money is pretty bad.
A much better option would be Italy, France or Spain. Walter Berry made over a million dollars a year.
But then again, this is Jakarr Sampson. It sure ain't The Truth.
I agree that Jakarr Sampson is not as good as just about the best player SJU ever produced (what? Chris who?) and that it is unlikely that he will make Berry money. It is also unlikely that he will ever be as good as Berry, no matter how many years he stays in school and how many PhDs he gets. I agree that he would make more money in Europe than the D league. My only point was that between staying in school for one more year hoping to get drafted after learning BB part time from Coach Tesla and hoping to get drafted after studying BB full time from dedicated personal trainers, strength coaches, and whoever else while getting paid, the former doesn't seem to be that bad an idea. As usual YMMV.
He can always go to college. He can always get a crappy degree from a crappy school like SJ. He is just as likely to break his leg in the D league as in the BE. There is no right answer. College is overrated and most people are too stupid to learn anyway. Increasingly I find the examined life is not worth living all together and all of it is shit. If that's the case, why not bounce a ball and bang some milk fed Montana cheerleaders and take advantage of the $40 per diem. Maybe he hates school. Maybe he hates Lavin. Maybe he hates red and antediluvian sweater mythology. Maybe he hates redman dot com. Maybe he's doing what he wants. Maybe he's happy. Maybe all in all he'd rather be in Philadelphia. Maybe you're projecting your expectations onto a kid who doesn't share them, or maybe your prejudices. Maybe I maybe am. There's lots of maybes, which maybe he is in the best position to analyze, because maybe it's his life.
You all say he stinks in one breath and in the other that one more year of seasoning and he'll play himself into a lottery pick. None of this scans. It's like he raped a nun or something.
Taking a salary of 20-25K, of which you'll take home 14K means that you're living either right around, or under the poverty line in place of essentially making 120K a year, which isn't bad for any 21 year old kid. STJ might be a crappy school. (I don't think it's so bad) But at that price, I'd agree with you. Still, it beats the hell out of no degree at all.
And again, I'm not suggesting that with one more year he'd get drafted. I don't think he's ever getting drafted, or making the league.
Choosing the NBDL over Europe or college is where I see the error in judgement. If it's money he wants, then go to Europe and make it.
The D league schedule is 50 games in < 6 months. At 25 K plus housing, benefits and per diem it's a well paying part time job.
Where exactly can Jakarr afford to live in the off season?
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Where exactly can Jakarr afford to live in the off season?
There is currently a one bedroom apartment for rent at 300 Longleaf Drive in Auburn Alabama for $370 per month. The complex offers AC, high speed internet, a weight room, a pool, washer dryer and even a basketball court. He could live there. Or if he prefers something a little more cosmopolitan, there's a 1 bedroom one and a half bath in Jonesboro Arkansas for $485.
Having settled that burning question, and to the extent that your response is not completely absurd non-sequitur:
Is there a rule that says Sampson can't play BB for money while the D League isn't playing? Or that he couldn't get a job at Target or something? Or an internship working for best friend Max Hooper's billionaire father? Maybe he could sell steaks door to door? Do we know what Jakarr's net worth is? Has he inherited money from a rich grandmother? Has he hit the pick 6 at Delmar? Is he a stakes level domino player? Is he a a scratch golfer? Does he have a comic book collection he could sell on Ebay? Maybe he could augment his income by selling his sperm? How's his blood work, clean I hope.
Also, where does Jakarr live currently in your fantasy world where the tax liability on 25K is 11 K, since you say that he'd take home 14 K of that money. That's a tax rate of, carry the one, nearly 50 percent, on what you call a "poverty wage", which leads me to believe he lives in Belgium. because here in the good ole US he'd take home 23K of that, give or take. How much are apartments in Waterloo? Does Jakarr even speak Walloon? Do they allow pets? How much is the security deposit? Is it month to month? Does he like waffles? Probably I'll need more facts before I sort out completely Jakarr's off season living situation. For the meanwhile he can crash in my barn, like James Dalton in Roadhouse. There's a fox sleeps out there on and off but mostly he's harmless once you get past the smell and besides, pain don't hurt.
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^^ CLASSIC !!! ^^
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Where exactly can Jakarr afford to live in the off season?
There is currently a one bedroom apartment for rent at 300 Longleaf Drive in Auburn Alabama for $370 per month. The complex offers AC, high speed internet, a weight room, a pool, washer dryer and even a basketball court. He could live there. Or if he prefers something a little more cosmopolitan, there's a 1 bedroom one and a half bath in Jonesboro Arkansas for $485.
Having settled that burning question, and to the extent that your response is not completely absurd non-sequitur:
Is there a rule that says Sampson can't play BB for money while the D League isn't playing? Or that he couldn't get a job at Target or something? Or an internship working for best friend Max Hooper's billionaire father? Maybe he could sell steaks door to door? Do we know what Jakarr's net worth is? Has he inherited money from a rich grandmother? Has he hit the pick 6 at Delmar? Is he a stakes level domino player? Is he a a scratch golfer? Does he have a comic book collection he could sell on Ebay? Maybe he could augment his income by selling his sperm? How's his blood work, clean I hope.
Also, where does Jakarr live currently in your fantasy world where the tax liability on 25K is 11 K, since you say that he'd take home 14 K of that money. That's a tax rate of, carry the one, nearly 50 percent, on what you call a "poverty wage", which leads me to believe he lives in Belgium. because here in the good ole US he'd take home 23K of that, give or take. How much are apartments in Waterloo? Does Jakarr even speak Walloon? Do they allow pets? How much is the security deposit? Is it month to month? Does he like waffles? Probably I'll need more facts before I sort out completely Jakarr's off season living situation. For the meanwhile he can crash in my barn, like James Dalton in Roadhouse. There's a fox sleeps out there on and off but mostly he's harmless once you get past the smell and besides, pain don't hurt.
Auburn, Alabama. Sounds great.
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Auburn, Alabama. Sounds great.
Right, as opposed to the paradise on earth that's Maspeth. I kid of course. I get it. You're super cool because you live on Long Island and everyone who doesn't is a rube. Braving the traffic on the LIE and the long lines at the Dairy Barn drive through before trekking out to cultural attractions like the Flanders Duck and then maybe a nosh at Nathan's or Carvel after. It's so very tres chic. How could Alabama measure up to that.
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When the duck moved to its current location, hundreds of people lined the streets of Flanders at 3 a.m. chanting "We want the duck!"
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Where exactly can Jakarr afford to live in the off season?
There is currently a one bedroom apartment for rent at 300 Longleaf Drive in Auburn Alabama for $370 per month. The complex offers AC, high speed internet, a weight room, a pool, washer dryer and even a basketball court. He could live there. Or if he prefers something a little more cosmopolitan, there's a 1 bedroom one and a half bath in Jonesboro Arkansas for $485.
Having settled that burning question, and to the extent that your response is not completely absurd non-sequitur:
Is there a rule that says Sampson can't play BB for money while the D League isn't playing? Or that he couldn't get a job at Target or something? Or an internship working for best friend Max Hooper's billionaire father? Maybe he could sell steaks door to door? Do we know what Jakarr's net worth is? Has he inherited money from a rich grandmother? Has he hit the pick 6 at Delmar? Is he a stakes level domino player? Is he a a scratch golfer? Does he have a comic book collection he could sell on Ebay? Maybe he could augment his income by selling his sperm? How's his blood work, clean I hope.
Also, where does Jakarr live currently in your fantasy world where the tax liability on 25K is 11 K, since you say that he'd take home 14 K of that money. That's a tax rate of, carry the one, nearly 50 percent, on what you call a "poverty wage", which leads me to believe he lives in Belgium. because here in the good ole US he'd take home 23K of that, give or take. How much are apartments in Waterloo? Does Jakarr even speak Walloon? Do they allow pets? How much is the security deposit? Is it month to month? Does he like waffles? Probably I'll need more facts before I sort out completely Jakarr's off season living situation. For the meanwhile he can crash in my barn, like James Dalton in Roadhouse. There's a fox sleeps out there on and off but mostly he's harmless once you get past the smell and besides, pain don't hurt.
Auburn, Alabama. Sounds great.
At the end of the day, the kid made a decision that he feels is good for him...the fact that he may not make a lot of money immediately is no different than a student taking a low pay/no pay internship...he's learning on the job...and can focus 100% on his dream...
not saying that he would not have benefited by staying...nor am I saying the converse...no one knows...
some seem to revel in one or two less than stellar summer league performances...I am sure kid is feeling pressure to make good on expectations...
let's just wish him the best..,he played well for us and seems to be a good kid
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This simply came down to him playing PF at college v. playing his future pro position immediately. How much better was he going to get at SJU as a PF?
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Auburn, Alabama. Sounds great.
Right, as opposed to the paradise on earth that's Maspeth. I kid of course. I get it. You're super cool because you live on Long Island and everyone who doesn't is a rube. Braving the traffic on the LIE and the long lines at the Dairy Barn drive through
I worked at Dairy Barn in high school and college. Selling beer to underage chicks was great for my social life since it's not like I was making enough money to be buying dinners back then :)