6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: Poison on August 30, 2013, 12:04:10 PM
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With all of the pubs releasing their college basketball predictions next week, I'd like to hear what the board thinks about the roster.
Here's mine:
Harrison - 16 ppg/3.5 assists/3.5 boards/1 steal. His scoring will go down, but he'll feel less of the burden, and play better overall.
Sampson - 14.5 ppg/1.0 assists/6.8 boards/2.7 blocks/1.5 steals. More solid play. He continues to get better, but not worlds better. Comes back for his junior season to put on muscle.
Branch - 10 ppg/3.8 assists/3.5 boards/1.1 steals. If coach says he's better, I buy it. Coach is pretty good at predictions himself.
Pointer - 9 ppg/4 assists/8 boards/ 1.8 blocks/1 steal. More of the same steady play, but now, zones will put him on the bench. The better we play against the zone, the less we'll see it. I see Hooper getting some of Dom's and Jakarr's minutes, because the 3 ball is what kills us most vs the zone.
Obekpa - 6.25 ppg/1.3 assists/ 8.5 boards/5.75 blocks. His game shows improvement, and he begins to develop some offensive moves to the basket. You know, his jumper isn't terrible. He's hit big shots before.
Jones - 4 ppg/1.1 assists/2.6 boards/ .5 steals. He'll get there, but he might not play much in conference this year. He is one of those guys that could bust out as a senior. I still like him a lot.
Balamou - Redshirt. Just a hunch. Still want him here. Hope he looks at it like an opportunity.
Greene - 5.5 ppg/1.5 assists/3.5 boards/1.5 steals. I like his hustle, but we need point guards or shooting guards, and he's struggling with both. He might get burn if we're getting smoked by opposing guards.
Bourgault - 3.0 ppg. I don't see how he plays much, but those are famous last words.
New guys:
Jordan - 7.5 ppg/5.5 assists/3.5 boards/1.8 steals/1.1 blocks. Of course, this is a blind guess based on video. Someone told me he reminds them of Tyreke Evans. I see that.
Sanchez - 7.5 ppg/3.0 assists/6 boards/1.4 blocks. Of course, I know I'm nuts to judge his play off of Twitter posts, but when you hear press like "NBA starter", expectations rise. I don't care what anyone says, there's no way to erase the expectations after hearing that.
Hooper - 13.3 ppg/2.1 assists/2.1 boards/.5 steals/.5 blocks. I like to make my
Gift - 2.2 ppg/0 assists/2.5 boards/.3 blocks
These stats are based on whether the players gets off the bench. Obviously out of Gift, Balamou, Jones and Bourgault, only 1/2 of those guys will see any action against big teams.
Most valuable: Jordan
Most improved: Branch/Obekpa
NCAA: I think we go to the Sweet 16
2nd/3rd in BE, but we cut down the nets at MSG.
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98.75 points per game huh :o
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98.75 points per game huh :o
hope springs eternal in august
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98.75 points per game huh :o
Last year:
65 ppg / 12 apg / 36 rpg / 7 bpg / 7 spg
This year
98 ppg / 25 apg / 40 rpg / 14 bpg / 10 spg
Cut down the nets if true.
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Top 3 in BE regular season.
BE championship game participant..
6 seed in NCAA tourney.
Round of 16...
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...and throughout the whole thing...the majority of posters will complain about recruiting, dribbling techniques, or facial gestures...
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Agree with Boo's predictions.
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Even though I have never seen Sanchez, Jordan or Hopper play, I will contribute my predictions.
Harrison-17.5 points, 5.5 eye rolls, 6.2 smirks per game.
Pulls a Sprewell on Lavin at halftime of 2nd round BET game. Suspended for NCAA, transfers to Baylor
Sampson-13.6 points 6.3 rebs
Primo Subs- 12.6 points 6.2 rebs-anything less than that and I am going to make fun of a bunch of you
Pointer- 7 pts 6 rebs 4.5 asst 3.0 dirty plays
Branch-7 pts 3 asst
Jordan 7 and 3
Circle-6.5 pts 2.6 ast 1.5 circles 35% shooting
Obepka 4 pts, 5 boards, 5 blocks 40% from the line
Steve Shurina 2.0- 3 pts a game, 7000 posts claiming he should play more or that he stinks
GG 2 pts 2 boards
21 wins NCAA 7 seed
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Even though I have never seen Sanchez, Jordan or Hopper play, I will contribute my predictions.
Harrison-17.5 points, 5.5 eye rolls, 6.2 smirks per game.
Pulls a Sprewell on Lavin at halftime of 2nd round BET game. Suspended for NCAA, transfers to Baylor
Sampson-13.6 points 6.3 rebs
Primo Subs- 12.6 points 6.2 rebs-anything less than that and I am going to make fun of a bunch of you
Pointer- 7 pts 6 rebs 4.5 asst 3.0 dirty plays
Branch-7 pts 3 asst
Jordan 7 and 3
Circle-6.5 pts 2.6 ast 1.5 circles 35% shooting
Obepka 4 pts, 5 boards, 5 blocks 40% from the line
Steve Shurina 2.0- 3 pts a game, 7000 posts claiming he should play more or that he stinks
GG 2 pts 2 boards
21 wins NCAA 7 seed
Shurina is Hooper? How big was Shurina? Isn't Hooper 6'6?
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...and throughout the whole thing...the majority of posters will complain about recruiting, dribbling techniques, or facial gestures...
Way to be bold :). Also the sky will be falling after we lose to Bucknell at Carnesecca.
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Shurina was 6-4, I believe he played for awhile in CBA
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15.2 Harrison
13.4 Sampson
9.6 Jordan
9.2 Pointer
9.0 Sanchez
8.4 Branch
7.2 Achiuwa
7.0 Obekpa
5.6 Balamou
5.6 Hooper
3.2 Jones
1.4 Bourgault
Greene redshirt
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13.5 ppg Harrison
13 Sampson
8 Jordan
8 Pointer
10 Sanchez
4.5 Branch
2.5 Achiuwa
5.5 Obekpa
2 Jones
5.5 Hooper
1 Borgault
redshirt Balamou
redshirt Green
That's 73.5 points a game - ranking us around #40 in country.
The team leads the nation in blocks again.
Our rebounding will be even with our competition.
We the turn the ball over less than our opponents.
We win the Big East championship and are a #3 seed in the tournament.
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I also predict we go 23-7 regular season, then lose our first BET game. Then we go on a tear.
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Final-4:
Duke
Kentucky
St. Johns
Okla St
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Fringe top 25 early on but consistently in rankings for the second half of the season. Top 3 finish in BE, make it to BET championship, 3/4 seed in tourney, lose in sweet 16. I'm trying to temper my expectations - I'm not sure if it's working.
Harrison - 14.1 ppg/3.2 rpg/2.6 apg/1.4 spg
Sanchez - 9.2 ppg/8.5 rpg/1.8 bpg
Obekpa - 4.6 ppg/6 rpg/4.5 bpg
Sheed - 8.5 ppg/4.5 rpg/4.5 apg BE freshman of the year
Hooper - 6 ppg but with 3 games of 15+ pts
Sampson - 11 ppg/7.3 rpg
Pointer - 8.5 ppg/5.5 rpg/2.1apg/2.1spg/1.8 bpg
Branch - 6 ppg/2.8 apg/2.0 spg
Greene - 4.5 ppg/1.1 rpg/1.1 apg
Limited contributions from GG, Bourgalt, Balamou, Jones
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98.75 points per game huh :o
Last year:
65 ppg / 12 apg / 36 rpg / 7 bpg / 7 spg
This year
98 ppg / 25 apg / 40 rpg / 14 bpg / 10 spg
Cut down the nets if true.
Fellas...
It doesn't make Poison's predictions any less outlandish, but the sum of all the individual players' scoring averages isn't the same thing as the team's points per game. Last year's final averages would add up to 72.5 points, yet as you point out the team scored 65ppg a season ago.
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Regular season 25-6
BET 2- 1
NCAA 2- 1
29_8
Would be nice ::)
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98.75 points per game huh :o
hope springs eternal in august
I love the optimism, but 13ppg for Hooper?
Here's a list of players who scored less than 14pts last season..
Ryan Archidiacano
Omar Calhoun
Peyton Siva
Michael Carter-Williams
Jack Cooley
Brandon Triche
Markel Starks
And those guys are all pretty talented offensive players who logged 30+ mins on mostly high scoring teams.
Everyone's favorite comparison, Luke Hancock? 7ppg. Hooper would be hard pressed to match that, let alone double it. And while Kyle Kuric squeezed out 13.1ppg his senior year, he needed 36 minutes per game to do it.
No offense to the guy, but if Hooper is playing 36 mins, we're f€#ked.
Your numbers for Jakarr, Dangelo and the starters seem pretty on point though.
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I am just suprised that Poision is so optimistic! Prediction is good things to come for this season because Poison believes!
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I am just suprised that Poision is so optimistic! Prediction is good things to come for this season because Poison believes!
I think we have a lotta guys with similar skills, but the competent 3 point shooter has eluded since I've been following the program. Hooper should be taking a ton of shots in games. My prediction is a response to what seems like a summer spent working on his shooting, and probably on the rest of his game.
Your summer turns you into a better player, or it gets you sent packing for the MAAC.
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I am just suprised that Poision is so optimistic! Prediction is good things to come for this season because Poison believes!
I think we have a lotta guys with similar skills, but the competent 3 point shooter has eluded since I've been following the program. Hooper should be taking a ton of shots in games. My prediction is a response to what seems like a summer spent working on his shooting, and probably on the rest of his game.
Your summer turns you into a better player, or it gets you sent packing for the MAAC.
Everything you have said makes since, and I think you are a realist at heart who doesn't like to sugercoat anything. The mere fact that you are excited about this season bolds well for the team in my opinion.
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We will win 21, and, just maybe, steal 2 more. We are really good this year. We will go to the tourney. There will be no problem with Bucknell.
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I see Steve Shurina on occasion; He was #4 on our last final four team and was a fine player. He's an even finer financial advisor as well today. He's about 6'2" these days. I don't expect he shrunk from his playing days
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I am just suprised that Poision is so optimistic! Prediction is good things to come for this season because Poison believes!
I think we have a lotta guys with similar skills, but the competent 3 point shooter has eluded since I've been following the program. Hooper should be taking a ton of shots in games. My prediction is a response to what seems like a summer spent working on his shooting, and probably on the rest of his game.
Your summer turns you into a better player, or it gets you sent packing for the MAAC.
Everything you have said makes since, and I think you are a realist at heart who doesn't like to sugercoat anything. The mere fact that you are excited about this season bolds well for the team in my opinion.
Thanks. Hope this is the year we turn the corner.
Ideally we want and need two things:
1. A season that proves the last two have been worth the wait.
2. A season that shows we can have sustained success over time going forward.
14-15 should feature one of the best backcourts with Branch, Harrison and Jordan,
but after that, who's playing w Jordan? I'm not worried. He sounds a lot like a kid you want to play w. Well done Coach. Another key piece.
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18.6 ppg for Harrison (yeah, I just estimated to the tenth)
Sampson will fall to 12 ppg
Sanchez 8 ppg
Branch 10 ppg
Pointer 10 ppg
Greene 8 ppg
Jordan 7 ppg
Hooper 5.5 ppg
Obekpa 4 ppg
Estimating points per game for most is very difficult because of the depth. I'm sure Jordan will go for 20 a few times, but I also think he'll have a goose egg or two. I think I have the highest scoring average thus far for Harrison.
I can't see Sampson averaging 14.5 ppg again. I think he'll be around 11-12 with the added talent and depth.
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My waist size goes from 46 to 54.
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18.6 ppg for Harrison (yeah, I just estimated to the tenth)
Sampson will fall to 12 ppg
Sanchez 8 ppg
Branch 10 ppg
Pointer 10 ppg
Greene 8 ppg
Jordan 7 ppg
Hooper 5.5 ppg
Obekpa 4 ppg
Estimating points per game for most is very difficult because of the depth. I'm sure Jordan will go for 20 a few times, but I also think he'll have a goose egg or two. I think I have the highest scoring average thus far for Harrison.
I can't see Sampson averaging 14.5 ppg again. I think he'll be around 11-12 with the added talent and depth.
So we lead the country in scoring?
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This is the way I look at it:
IMO we need these combinations of players to produce in twos
The numbers in parenthesis are just my best guess at what each one will get.
Harrison and Sampson: 28 ppg (16/12)
Branch and Jordan : 17 ppg (10/7)
Sanchez and pointer : 16 ppg ( 9/7)
The rest (Phi/hooper/ Obekpa): 15 ppg (5/5/5)
That's 76 pts from our "core" 9. If we can do that we'll be in great shape.
* I'm thinking coach realizes how much better we are with Dlo, branch, and Jordan than we are with green and his minutes will greatly decrease.
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18.6 ppg for Harrison (yeah, I just estimated to the tenth)
Sampson will fall to 12 ppg
Sanchez 8 ppg
Branch 10 ppg
Pointer 10 ppg
Greene 8 ppg
Jordan 7 ppg
Hooper 5.5 ppg
Obekpa 4 ppg
Estimating points per game for most is very difficult because of the depth. I'm sure Jordan will go for 20 a few times, but I also think he'll have a goose egg or two. I think I have the highest scoring average thus far for Harrison.
I can't see Sampson averaging 14.5 ppg again. I think he'll be around 11-12 with the added talent and depth.
So we lead the country in scoring?
No. Just like we didn't average over 70 points per game last yeah--the sum of scoring averages of our guys. Kids get hurt, suspended, and sick. No team in the country averages per game what it's players averages add up to.
I was strangely specific with Harrison, but most guys like Dom I just rounded up. I think this squad will average about 8-10 more points per game.
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Guys --- the reason the sum of all individual players avgs do not add up to the total is due to missed games/injuries/DNP. For example, if Dom averages 10 ppg and Greene doesnt play a minute for the first half (keeping his average at N/A rather than 0.00), Dom gets hurt, and then Greene averages 10 ppg while Dom sits, that would be a total of 20 ppg when you add them up, but the team average would still be 10 less.
That being said, its rare for this kind of dramatic change to occur, AND to make it occur on a level of 16-30+ ppg is probably even more rare. Something 12-13 or less, I would imagine, is right on par. So yeah, Poison and Marillac are way too high, though Marillac is closer.
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Guys --- the reason the sum of all individual players avgs do not add up to the total is due to missed games/injuries/DNP. For example, if Dom averages 10 ppg and Greene doesnt play a minute for the first half (keeping his average at N/A rather than 0.00), Dom gets hurt, and then Greene averages 10 ppg while Dom sits, that would be a total of 20 ppg when you add them up, but the team average would still be 10 less.
That being said, its rare for this kind of dramatic change to occur, AND to make it occur on a level of 16-30+ ppg is probably even more rare. Something 12-13 or less, I would imagine, is right on par. So yeah, Poison and Marillac are way too high, though Marillac is closer.
I don't know about "way too high." My #s add up to 83.1 points per game. The players last year averaged 73 points per game when you add up their personal averages. Had I not written the post in 30 seconds and kept a tally of the total, I would have reduced that slightly. Still, that is only ten points higher than last year.
I hope we don't have the same situation as last year with Harrison missing a handful of games and Branch missing almost half the season, but this is St. John's. Things always go wrong. With the depth this team has, there is no reason to have a kid play through a slight injury that might disappear with a few days of rest. There will be quite a few DNPs from guys like Balamou, GG, Jones, Bourgault, and maybe Hooper.
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The DNPs are what really mess you up if you try to add up the averages.
13+ guys will all have scoring averages. 13 guys will not play every night.
That said, I think our scoring as a team could increase if coach takes the reigns off. In games against the better teams we played 'kill the clock' and tried to keep it a low scoring game. We did it much more 2 years ago when Dunlap had such a short bench, but we still did it to some degree last season.
I think we have enough good guards now that coach lets thing fly quicker on offense. Just a hunch, but I really think a healthy branch will move the ball quicker than anything we've seen in the Lavin era.
Finally, for reference, Louisville and Cuse 72-73ppg range last season. They led the BE.
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Realistically:
Top 4 in the Big East
NCAA 2nd round.
But I think there is a lot of upside and those predictions could easily go up to maybe an elite 8 appearance if everything breaks right.
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December 15th will be the biggest day for the program in 10 years, because we are going to wax Syracuse and send them back to the border with their heads down.
This is the year that Lavin's celebrity is going to make his mark in NY. I won't be surprised to see us on the back page of the city daily's from January to March. I forsee us being a top 25 team and predict us to lose only 1 OOC game, San Fran.
I think we're going to make a statement in South Dakota and we will be a Big East juggernaut throughout the conference season, winning multiple road games.
My brother and I are traveling to Butler this year for our annual road game, and we are confidently expecting to leave happy.
24-7, 12-1 non conf, 12-6 BE. Sir will be BEDPOY, D and Jak will make 1st team, and I think we'll be champs. Sweet 16 in my eyes, we're loaded!
Btw...I'm not sweating 2014-15, I think the staff is letting this roster do all of the recruiting needed for them this year.
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December 15th will be the biggest day for the program in 10 years, because we are going to wax Syracuse and send them back to the border with their heads down.
This is the year that Lavin's celebrity is going to make his mark in NY. I won't be surprised to see us on the back page of the city daily's from January to March. I forsee us being a top 25 team and predict us to lose only 1 OOC game, San Fran.
I think we're going to make a statement in South Dakota and we will be a Big East juggernaut throughout the conference season, winning multiple road games.
My brother and I are traveling to Butler this year for our annual road game, and we are confidently expecting to leave happy.
24-7, 12-1 non conf, 12-6 BE. Sir will be BEDPOY, D and Jak will make 1st team, and I think we'll be champs. Sweet 16 in my eyes, we're loaded!
Btw...I'm not sweating 2014-15, I think the staff is letting this roster do all of the recruiting needed for them this year.
Why do you think we will lose to San Fran. At home no less
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December 15th will be the biggest day for the program in 10 years, because we are going to wax Syracuse and send them back to the border with their heads down.
This is the year that Lavin's celebrity is going to make his mark in NY. I won't be surprised to see us on the back page of the city daily's from January to March. I forsee us being a top 25 team and predict us to lose only 1 OOC game, San Fran.
I think we're going to make a statement in South Dakota and we will be a Big East juggernaut throughout the conference season, winning multiple road games.
My brother and I are traveling to Butler this year for our annual road game, and we are confidently expecting to leave happy.
24-7, 12-1 non conf, 12-6 BE. Sir will be BEDPOY, D and Jak will make 1st team, and I think we'll be champs. Sweet 16 in my eyes, we're loaded!
Btw...I'm not sweating 2014-15, I think the staff is letting this roster do all of the recruiting needed for them this year.
If we have one lock on this roster, it is for Obekpa to win DPOY for the Big East. Blocks jump out at people like nothing else.
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Simply bc I expect a let down in atleast one OOC game, Moose. We're too good for the UNC-Asheville type cupcakes nowadays. Bucknell is down this year, no longer having Muscala.
Yes, we can very well lose a Brooklyn game to Penn St. or Ole Miss, but I just don't see it.
Rothstein proclaimed San Fran as his contending sleeper in the WCC in his morning column, and they really took care of us last year, granted the team was sightseeing half the time.
As a sidenote, I really can't wait to see the identity of this league form. It's going to be a gritty, defensive minded, city guard heavy league, and I think it's going to translate well to the masses.
The round robin format is genius, a tremendous idea which will bring about true rivalries. Rivalries are something that are suddenly escaping in today's game, year by year. While the ACC can build a superconference, most of their games will have no teeth. By the time February hits this year, the BE will be roaring with captivating games, the brand will be evident.
The battles we're going to have with Providence, Nova, Hall and GTown this year are going to be absolute rockfights, vintage BE.
The Catholic 7 is going to reign supreme IMO, while the Midwest teams will take time to adjust, alla West Virginia in the Big12 last year. I think DePaul is going to be the surprise of the league this year.
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I like Poison's predictions. The only major thing I would predict, which will probably be unpopular here, is that by mid-season GG will be seeing much more playing time. I think he was better than we tend to remember even with all his flaws and I haven't forgotten the feeling I had during that Harkless year that he was never able to be himself on the court, having to play tentatively on D. I remember him flying up and down the court. I think the competitive tension for playing time will bring out his best in practice and games. I remember reading or hearing somewhere that at each stage of his development, going all the way back to Nigeria, he tends to start out as an afterthought and ends up rising to the top. As I said, my hunch about GG will be unpopular but on the other hand everyone would be happy of course if he really were able to elevate his game and be a solid contributor.
I think Jones will have to wait another year to see regular playing time, I don't see him getting off the bench much. I think Bourgault has found a permanent spot on the bench. Greene's numbers plummet but I don't think he'd be redshirted. Balamou absolutely should be redshirted. He is the enigma I love, so much athleticism, and he'll benefit from staying hungry and continuing to learn without burning up eligibility.
I'm a total homer, but I think we finish in the top 3 in the conference. A sweet 16 sounds about right.
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December 15th will be the biggest day for the program in 10 years, because we are going to wax Syracuse and send them back to the border with their heads down.
This is the year that Lavin's celebrity is going to make his mark in NY. I won't be surprised to see us on the back page of the city daily's from January to March. I forsee us being a top 25 team and predict us to lose only 1 OOC game, San Fran.
I think we're going to make a statement in South Dakota and we will be a Big East juggernaut throughout the conference season, winning multiple road games.
My brother and I are traveling to Butler this year for our annual road game, and we are confidently expecting to leave happy.
24-7, 12-1 non conf, 12-6 BE. Sir will be BEDPOY, D and Jak will make 1st team, and I think we'll be champs. Sweet 16 in my eyes, we're loaded!
Btw...I'm not sweating 2014-15, I think the staff is letting this roster do all of the recruiting needed for them this year.
If we have one lock on this roster, it is for Obekpa to win DPOY for the Big East. Blocks jump out at people like nothing else.
I think Harrison 1st All BE is our lock. If he wasn't booted he would have made 1st team.
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I like Poison's predictions. The only major thing I would predict, which will probably be unpopular here, is that by mid-season GG will be seeing much more playing time. I think he was better than we tend to remember even with all his flaws and I haven't forgotten the feeling I had during that Harkless year that he was never able to be himself on the court, having to play tentatively on D. I remember him flying up and down the court. I think the competitive tension for playing time will bring out his best in practice and games. I remember reading or hearing somewhere that at each stage of his development, going all the way back to Nigeria, he tends to start out as an afterthought and ends up rising to the top. As I said, my hunch about GG will be unpopular but on the other hand everyone would be happy of course if he really were able to elevate his game and be a solid contributor.
I think Jones will have to wait another year to see regular playing time, I don't see him getting off the bench much. I think Bourgault has found a permanent spot on the bench. Greene's numbers plummet but I don't think he'd be redshirted. Balamou absolutely should be redshirted. He is the enigma I love, so much athleticism, and he'll benefit from staying hungry and continuing to learn without burning up eligibility.
I'm a total homer, but I think we finish in the top 3 in the conference. A sweet 16 sounds about right.
I was thinking gods gift would get some quality burn up until the Europe trip. He didn't get much playing time there. It's tough when Jakarr, Sanchez, and Chris will all get close to 25.
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I like Poison's predictions. The only major thing I would predict, which will probably be unpopular here, is that by mid-season GG will be seeing much more playing time. I think he was better than we tend to remember even with all his flaws and I haven't forgotten the feeling I had during that Harkless year that he was never able to be himself on the court, having to play tentatively on D. I remember him flying up and down the court. I think the competitive tension for playing time will bring out his best in practice and games. I remember reading or hearing somewhere that at each stage of his development, going all the way back to Nigeria, he tends to start out as an afterthought and ends up rising to the top. As I said, my hunch about GG will be unpopular but on the other hand everyone would be happy of course if he really were able to elevate his game and be a solid contributor.
I think Jones will have to wait another year to see regular playing time, I don't see him getting off the bench much. I think Bourgault has found a permanent spot on the bench. Greene's numbers plummet but I don't think he'd be redshirted. Balamou absolutely should be redshirted. He is the enigma I love, so much athleticism, and he'll benefit from staying hungry and continuing to learn without burning up eligibility.
I'm a total homer, but I think we finish in the top 3 in the conference. A sweet 16 sounds about right.
People see GG's stats and think he'll enjoy the similar success. Remember, Amir Garrett came in as a SF with two weeks of college experience and started over him--a guy with two years of JUCO, 7 months of prep in residence at STJ, and a half season worth of practices and games. Who knows how better he got over the last year and a half, but I wouldn't expect more than 5-10 mpg for GG unless there is an injury or foul trouble.
I am excited for the depth and experience that GG will be able to provide, but minutes will be TOUGH. Sanchez cures so many ills the team suffers from with his skill in nearly every facet of the game. Obekpa is the premier shot-blocker in the country and our tallest player. Sampson is the reigning Big East ROY and our best rebounder.
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December 15th will be the biggest day for the program in 10 years, because we are going to wax Syracuse and send them back to the border with their heads down.
This is the year that Lavin's celebrity is going to make his mark in NY. I won't be surprised to see us on the back page of the city daily's from January to March. I forsee us being a top 25 team and predict us to lose only 1 OOC game, San Fran.
I think we're going to make a statement in South Dakota and we will be a Big East juggernaut throughout the conference season, winning multiple road games.
My brother and I are traveling to Butler this year for our annual road game, and we are confidently expecting to leave happy.
24-7, 12-1 non conf, 12-6 BE. Sir will be BEDPOY, D and Jak will make 1st team, and I think we'll be champs. Sweet 16 in my eyes, we're loaded!
Btw...I'm not sweating 2014-15, I think the staff is letting this roster do all of the recruiting needed for them this year.
I agree
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5 predictions that I know will come true:
(1) We finish higher than the pre season "experts" predict us to.
(2) We win at least one or two we are "not supposed to win" AND lose at least one we are "not supposed to lose".
(3) Our members can't agree to at least an 80% consensus when it comes to lineups.
(4) Harrison gets mad at someone during a game for something that only he and himself understand
(5) Obekpa gets more than 4 blocks in a game.
Is this bold enough predictions for everyone? :D
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5 predictions that I know will come true:
(1) We finish higher than the pre season "experts" predict us to.
(2) We win at least one or two we are "not supposed to win" AND lose at least one we are "not supposed to lose".
(3) Our members can't agree to at least an 80% consensus when it comes to lineups.
(4) Harrison gets mad at someone during a game for something that only he and himself understand
(5) Obekpa gets more than 4 blocks in a game.
Is this bold enough predictions for everyone? :D
#4?
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Final-4:
Duke
Kentucky
St. Johns
Okla St
Oklahoma State
Michigan State
VCU
St. Johns
Next closest fo Final4- Memphis
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Final-4:
Duke
Kentucky
St. Johns
Okla St
Oklahoma State
Michigan State
VCU
St. Johns
Next closest fo Final4- Memphis
Takes a lot of balls to predict St. John's as a Final Four team. Luckily you have them.
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Takes a lot of balls to predict St. John's as a Final Four team. Luckily you have them.
ace ventura - einhorn is a man (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSPtSEIlp8A#)
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In memory of CR Green I would like to give what would most likely have been his prediction.
A National Championship
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“@GoodmanESPN: @JasonKingESPN I agree St. John's has the most talent, but could still finish behind Marquette, G'Town, Nova, Creighton, Xavier and Prov.”
“@GoodmanESPN: @JasonKingESPN I'd probably have St. John's somewhere around fifth in the league. Toughest league in America to rank.”
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I seem to be in the minority, but I think that Harrison is going to be in the running for National Player of the Year.
If the team wins 20+ regular season games, makes a run for a BE title, and has an extended March run, Harrison will be at the forefront of it.
His step back last year has hidden his phenomenal stats thus far as a Johnnie. I expect him to be even more dynamic and explosive with a year of maturity and added weapons.
If Harrison averages 20ppg and we're a top25 team, what's prohibiting him from being a Naismith candidate? He's just as valuable to us as McDermott is to Creighton IMO.
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I seem to be in the minority, but I think that Harrison is going to be in the running for National Player of the Year.
If the team wins 20+ regular season games, makes a run for a BE title, and has an extended March run, Harrison will be at the forefront of it.
His step back last year has hidden his phenomenal stats thus far as a Johnnie. I expect him to be even more dynamic and explosive with a year of maturity and added weapons.
If Harrison averages 20ppg and we're a top25 team, what's prohibiting him from being a Naismith candidate? He's just as valuable to us as McDermott is to Creighton IMO.
We all hope that by mid season he's added to the Naismith list. That will require even more improvement. Hopefully the maturity we've heard about is accurate.
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If we wind up at the Big Dance and win two games there I will be deliriously happy.
If we go beyond that I am likely to (involuntarily) join cr.
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Who do people think will start at PG: Greene, Branch, or Jordan?
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Who do people think will start at PG: Greene, Branch, or Jordan?
If Greene starts at PG we are intercoursed.
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Who do people think will start at PG: Greene, Branch, or Jordan?
Branch.
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I precict that Phil Green leads the nation in Cricling the court.
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Who do people think will start at PG: Greene, Branch, or Jordan?
Jordan.
I think the starting five eventually becomes Jordan, Harrison, Sampson, Sanchez, and then either Pointer or Obekpa depending on matchups.
It really won't matter though, as I see this team doing a lot more pressing and trapping, and that by it's very nature, means more substituions, so plenty of guys will get time.
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So many options. OUr depth is scary. I predict different lineups based on opponent. Would also keep the troops motivated if they know they can start every once in a while.
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So many options. OUr depth is scary. I predict different lineups based on opponent. Would also keep the troops motivated if they know they can start every once in a while.
That's the Bobby V strategy. Not sure if I like it unless it is more like Joe Ma in Tampa then I do.
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I would be very surprised if Jorden wasn't starting by 2nd semester.
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If Sanchez and Jordan are as good as advertised then I think there's a chance we have a more or less set rotation by the end of December/January. Otherwise I think our rotation will be in flux all season.
And that's because all our options are pretty close talent wise, and while we each might have preferences over who should play slightly more.. it's splitting hairs.
Should Dom come off the bench? Does Obekpa play 23 or 28 minutes?
That all changes if Orlando and Rhysheed assert themselves. If their play is so good that it forces coach to play both of them 30minutes a night, then our lineups become a lot more stable.
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I was initially thinking:
Branch , Harrison, Pointer, Sampson, Obekpa starting line up. But jordan may start by BE play.
It's interesting because it seems like the best two players in theory are Sampson and Sanchez who both seem to be 4's to me. Can Sanchez play the 5? Don't think Sampson can play the 3.
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I was initially thinking:
Branch , Harrison, Pointer, Sampson, Obekpa starting line up. But jordan may start by BE play.
It's interesting because it seems like the best two players in theory are Sampson and Sanchez who both seem to be 4's to me. Can Sanchez play the 5? Don't think Sampson can play the 3.
Yea Sanchez can play the 5, especially considering what we are used to. I'm not sold on Sampson being a 3, can't shoot it well enough but teams can get by playing three big men, just have to set a lot of pics and crash the hell out of the boards.
Also, I think Harrison is our best player but I'm positive he's at least one of our top two players.
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I was initially thinking:
Branch , Harrison, Pointer, Sampson, Obekpa starting line up. But jordan may start by BE play.
It's interesting because it seems like the best two players in theory are Sampson and Sanchez who both seem to be 4's to me. Can Sanchez play the 5? Don't think Sampson can play the 3.
I think that Sanchez is more of a 3/4. He can probably play the 5 against teams that aren't real big, but I don't think it's his natural position. He has range to 3 on his jumper and an excellent handle in the open court. Also an excellent passer at his size. Sampson had range to right before the 3-pt line, but was a scrawny freshman. I hope he has improved his handle and shooting and maybe show more skills as a wing player. Will have to give some time to see which guys fit in, but we do have some wing players like Hooper and Bourgault aside from Dom, and a 6'4"+ guard like Jordsn could grab some time at wing in a 3-guard lineup, although I think he'd be best as a PG.
We really can run a ton of different looks depending on who we are playing.
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I was initially thinking:
Branch , Harrison, Pointer, Sampson, Obekpa starting line up. But jordan may start by BE play.
It's interesting because it seems like the best two players in theory are Sampson and Sanchez who both seem to be 4's to me. Can Sanchez play the 5? Don't think Sampson can play the 3.
I think that Sanchez is more of a 3/4. He can probably play the 5 against teams that aren't real big, but I don't think it's his natural position. He has range to 3 on his jumper and an excellent handle in the open court. Also an excellent passer at his size. Sampson had range to right before the 3-pt line, but was a scrawny freshman. I hope he has improved his handle and shooting and maybe show more skills as a wing player. Will have to give some time to see which guys fit in, but we do have some wing players like Hooper and Bourgault aside from Dom, and a 6'4"+ guard like Jordsn could grab some time at wing in a 3-guard lineup, although I think he'd be best as a PG.
We really can run a ton of different looks depending on who we are playing.
I agree that Orlando's skill set defines him as a 3/4, but I'd be pretty surprised if he's not our starting center in name at least.
I think Sanchez/Sampson are our starting front court. Call one a center, call them both power forwards... however we label it, they'll be the two biggest guys who start the game and play the most minutes.
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I was initially thinking:
Branch , Harrison, Pointer, Sampson, Obekpa starting line up. But jordan may start by BE play.
It's interesting because it seems like the best two players in theory are Sampson and Sanchez who both seem to be 4's to me. Can Sanchez play the 5? Don't think Sampson can play the 3.
Yea Sanchez can play the 5, especially considering what we are used to. I'm not sold on Sampson being a 3, can't shoot it well enough but teams can get by playing three big men, just have to set a lot of pics and crash the hell out of the boards.
Also, I think Harrison is our best player but I'm positive he's at least one of our top two players.
I'm really biased against Harrison due to his poor performances against Georgetown.
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I was initially thinking:
Branch , Harrison, Pointer, Sampson, Obekpa starting line up. But jordan may start by BE play.
It's interesting because it seems like the best two players in theory are Sampson and Sanchez who both seem to be 4's to me. Can Sanchez play the 5? Don't think Sampson can play the 3.
Yea Sanchez can play the 5, especially considering what we are used to. I'm not sold on Sampson being a 3, can't shoot it well enough but teams can get by playing three big men, just have to set a lot of pics and crash the hell out of the boards.
Also, I think Harrison is our best player but I'm positive he's at least one of our top two players.
I'm really biased against Harrison due to his poor performances against Georgetown.
Didn't he drop 27 at Georgetown as a freshman?
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I was initially thinking:
Branch , Harrison, Pointer, Sampson, Obekpa starting line up. But jordan may start by BE play.
It's interesting because it seems like the best two players in theory are Sampson and Sanchez who both seem to be 4's to me. Can Sanchez play the 5? Don't think Sampson can play the 3.
Yea Sanchez can play the 5, especially considering what we are used to. I'm not sold on Sampson being a 3, can't shoot it well enough but teams can get by playing three big men, just have to set a lot of pics and crash the hell out of the boards.
Also, I think Harrison is our best player but I'm positive he's at least one of our top two players.
I'm really biased against Harrison due to his poor performances against Georgetown.
Didn't he drop 27 at Georgetown as a freshman?
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I was initially thinking:
Branch , Harrison, Pointer, Sampson, Obekpa starting line up. But jordan may start by BE play.
It's interesting because it seems like the best two players in theory are Sampson and Sanchez who both seem to be 4's to me. Can Sanchez play the 5? Don't think Sampson can play the 3.
Yea Sanchez can play the 5, especially considering what we are used to. I'm not sold on Sampson being a 3, can't shoot it well enough but teams can get by playing three big men, just have to set a lot of pics and crash the hell out of the boards.
Also, I think Harrison is our best player but I'm positive he's at least one of our top two players.
I'm really biased against Harrison due to his poor performances against Georgetown.
Didn't he drop 27 at Georgetown as a freshman?
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Screw him. He sucks.
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Hoyahooligan obviously has a short term memory, but in fairness to him Dlo has been awful in 3 of his 4 games against gtown. A combined 3 for 22 shooting in the 2 games last season. And as a frosh, yes he had the 24 pt game, but in the game in DC he was 1-12.
I want him to do well this season too, but Hoya isn't wrong,
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Hoyahooligan obviously has a short term memory, but in fairness to him Dlo has been awful in 3 of his 4 games against gtown. A combined 3 for 22 shooting in the 2 games last season. And as a frosh, yes he had the 24 pt game, but in the game in DC he was 1-12.
I want him to do well this season too, but Hoya isn't wrong,
That's fine and all but he's averaged how many points per game in his two years. Just because he plays bad against 1 team is pretty short sighted, no?
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Hoyahooligan obviously has a short term memory, but in fairness to him Dlo has been awful in 3 of his 4 games against gtown. A combined 3 for 22 shooting in the 2 games last season. And as a frosh, yes he had the 24 pt game, but in the game in DC he was 1-12.
I want him to do well this season too, but Hoya isn't wrong,
That's fine and all but he's averaged how many points per game in his two years. Just because he plays bad against 1 team is pretty short sighted, no?
He's just not that efficient. Lots of St. John's fans were comparing him with Cotton of Providence last year as they were competing for the scoring title but Cotton was much more efficient in his scoring and I think clearly the better player.
Harrison: ORtg: 102.8 eFG% 46.8% TS% 52% 3pt% 31.5% 2pt% 46.4% FT% 76.9% none of his stats in the top 500
Cotton: ORtg: 123.3 (32nd) eFG% 54.7%(229th) TS% 59.3%(146th) 3pt% 36.4% 2pt% 54.8% FT% 79.3%
I just think Harrison is overrated. I don't see him as an NBA player as some fans believe. He's not a bad player, but coupled with his attitude problems I feel like if he's your best player and leader then you're not going to have a very good team. 3 out of 4 games against the Hoyas he's been terrible. That's going to bias your view of a kid it's just human nature. Just like when a kid lights up your team every year you're going to hold him in higher regard regardless of what he does against other teams.
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Hoyahooligan obviously has a short term memory, but in fairness to him Dlo has been awful in 3 of his 4 games against gtown. A combined 3 for 22 shooting in the 2 games last season. And as a frosh, yes he had the 24 pt game, but in the game in DC he was 1-12.
I want him to do well this season too, but Hoya isn't wrong,
That's fine and all but he's averaged how many points per game in his two years. Just because he plays bad against 1 team is pretty short sighted, no?
He's just not that efficient. Lots of St. John's fans were comparing him with Cotton of Providence last year as they were competing for the scoring title but Cotton was much more efficient in his scoring and I think clearly the better player.
Harrison: ORtg: 102.8 eFG% 46.8% TS% 52% 3pt% 31.5% 2pt% 46.4% FT% 76.9% none of his stats in the top 500
Cotton: ORtg: 123.3 (32nd) eFG% 54.7%(229th) TS% 59.3%(146th) 3pt% 36.4% 2pt% 54.8% FT% 79.3%
I just think Harrison is overrated. I don't see him as an NBA player as some fans believe. He's not a bad player, but coupled with his attitude problems I feel like if he's your best player and leader then you're not going to have a very good team. 3 out of 4 games against the Hoyas he's been terrible. That's going to bias your view of a kid it's just human nature. Just like when a kid lights up your team every year you're going to hold him in higher regard regardless of what he does against other teams.
He hasn't been super efficient, but he has been a young and immature kid on a young team. He's a much more talented scorer than people realize. He might not be an NBA player but there aren't many more dangerous scorers than D'Angelo when he's on. He needs to work on consistently taking better shots and his maturity. He also hasnt been blessed with real good PG play nor big guys who could take pressure off him. I'm hoping we see an improved Harrison this season in many ways. Don't underestimate him based on the recent performances vs Georgetown though. I think he's got lots of good games left, but now the difference is that he's surrounded by more talent.
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Hoyahooligan obviously has a short term memory, but in fairness to him Dlo has been awful in 3 of his 4 games against gtown. A combined 3 for 22 shooting in the 2 games last season. And as a frosh, yes he had the 24 pt game, but in the game in DC he was 1-12.
I want him to do well this season too, but Hoya isn't wrong,
That's fine and all but he's averaged how many points per game in his two years. Just because he plays bad against 1 team is pretty short sighted, no?
He's just not that efficient. Lots of St. John's fans were comparing him with Cotton of Providence last year as they were competing for the scoring title but Cotton was much more efficient in his scoring and I think clearly the better player.
Harrison: ORtg: 102.8 eFG% 46.8% TS% 52% 3pt% 31.5% 2pt% 46.4% FT% 76.9% none of his stats in the top 500
Cotton: ORtg: 123.3 (32nd) eFG% 54.7%(229th) TS% 59.3%(146th) 3pt% 36.4% 2pt% 54.8% FT% 79.3%
I just think Harrison is overrated. I don't see him as an NBA player as some fans believe. He's not a bad player, but coupled with his attitude problems I feel like if he's your best player and leader then you're not going to have a very good team. 3 out of 4 games against the Hoyas he's been terrible. That's going to bias your view of a kid it's just human nature. Just like when a kid lights up your team every year you're going to hold him in higher regard regardless of what he does against other teams.
Nobody here will ever tell you he was efficient.
If you have watched our team the past 2 years you will know the issues we've had and how he has chosen to combat them.
How do you see the conference shaking out? At least how do you see the top half?
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I feel like if he's your best player and leader then you're not going to have a very good team.
I feel like you're an Imbecile.
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I feel like if he's your best player and leader then you're not going to have a very good team.
I feel like you're an Imbecile.
Damn it for once you are right!
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I was initially thinking:
Branch , Harrison, Pointer, Sampson, Obekpa starting line up. But jordan may start by BE play.
It's interesting because it seems like the best two players in theory are Sampson and Sanchez who both seem to be 4's to me. Can Sanchez play the 5? Don't think Sampson can play the 3.
I think that Sanchez is more of a 3/4. He can probably play the 5 against teams that aren't real big, but I don't think it's his natural position. He has range to 3 on his jumper and an excellent handle in the open court. Also an excellent passer at his size. Sampson had range to right before the 3-pt line, but was a scrawny freshman. I hope he has improved his handle and shooting and maybe show more skills as a wing player. Will have to give some time to see which guys fit in, but we do have some wing players like Hooper and Bourgault aside from Dom, and a 6'4"+ guard like Jordsn could grab some time at wing in a 3-guard lineup, although I think he'd be best as a PG.
We really can run a ton of different looks depending on who we are playing.
I don't think Sanchez has a prayer of guarding athletic wings. At the college level. he's a really skilled four man that can easily play the five with his size, strength, rebounding and shot-blocking ability. True centers in college basketball are a dying breed, and we haven't had a true center in a long time at St. John's. Sanchez could very likely be the most skilled five in the country this season. Offensively, he has very good perimeter skills that will really hurt opponents guarding him man-to-man. It's tough to imagine centers staying with him out there, and I hope this is something St. John's takes advantage of often with the new rule changes. I wouldn't mind running the offensive though Sanchez.
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Hoyahooligan obviously has a short term memory, but in fairness to him Dlo has been awful in 3 of his 4 games against gtown. A combined 3 for 22 shooting in the 2 games last season. And as a frosh, yes he had the 24 pt game, but in the game in DC he was 1-12.
I want him to do well this season too, but Hoya isn't wrong,
That's fine and all but he's averaged how many points per game in his two years. Just because he plays bad against 1 team is pretty short sighted, no?
He's just not that efficient. Lots of St. John's fans were comparing him with Cotton of Providence last year as they were competing for the scoring title but Cotton was much more efficient in his scoring and I think clearly the better player.
Harrison: ORtg: 102.8 eFG% 46.8% TS% 52% 3pt% 31.5% 2pt% 46.4% FT% 76.9% none of his stats in the top 500
Cotton: ORtg: 123.3 (32nd) eFG% 54.7%(229th) TS% 59.3%(146th) 3pt% 36.4% 2pt% 54.8% FT% 79.3%
I just think Harrison is overrated. I don't see him as an NBA player as some fans believe. He's not a bad player, but coupled with his attitude problems I feel like if he's your best player and leader then you're not going to have a very good team. 3 out of 4 games against the Hoyas he's been terrible. That's going to bias your view of a kid it's just human nature. Just like when a kid lights up your team every year you're going to hold him in higher regard regardless of what he does against other teams.
The NBA is one big bad attitude. That isn't the reason why he wouldn't be successful. Cotton, for all we know, may turn out to be the better player. I'm personally skeptical of all of Prov's scorers, because it seems like every year, they score a ton of points, and give up a ton more.
In regards to Harrison's performance vs Georgetown, I'm not concerned about it. Georgetown has been one of the better teams in the BE, but I don't think we can look at these games and take much away. Harrison played without much self control last year, but he also played with almost no offensive help on the perimeter, and only one guy, a freshman inside. Cotton had a lot more to work with. He had experience around him, and he had shooters.
Harrison had two guys on him at all times. It's not an apples to apples comparison.
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Harrison is better than Cotton. Cotton shared the back court with senior,Vince Council, and a top 25 freshman, Dunn. He had the benefit of Ladontae Henton--Marillac is a huge fan--that can hit from the outisde and score inside. He also had Batts to score down low. Cotton attempted 8.4 treys a game! The kid only made 2.9 two-point fg's a game, and those were mainly on fast breaks and after a few dribbles after defenders closed out on him recklessly on the perimeter. Harrison is much more skilled and versatile.
Cotton is a gunner...one dimensional.
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JT3 and his father have a history of shutting down star players. See Mullin many years ago. Only way to combat that is having multiple threats. DLo isn't afraid to shoot but I think he'll also be smart enough to distribute the ball rather than force things this year. If that works we can be pretty good playing team ball which is the key to the year.
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Greene probably won't start, but if he is healthy I think he will surprise a lot of people. He played hurt much of last season and I think that held him back and led him to under perform. Just MHO.
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Hoyahooligan obviously has a short term memory, but in fairness to him Dlo has been awful in 3 of his 4 games against gtown. A combined 3 for 22 shooting in the 2 games last season. And as a frosh, yes he had the 24 pt game, but in the game in DC he was 1-12.
I want him to do well this season too, but Hoya isn't wrong,
That's fine and all but he's averaged how many points per game in his two years. Just because he plays bad against 1 team is pretty short sighted, no?
No, you're right, playing poorly against 1 team doesn't mean he's not a good player, by any means. I was just saying it wasn't completely wrong what Hoyahooligan said, that he had a biased view of him because Harrison had bad games against gtown. That actually makes sense in light of the numbers, that's all.
But in the larger picture it's hard to deny Harrison's talent, or importance to this team
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“@BigEastDaily: Big East Season Preview: St. John's Red Storm http://www.snsanalytics.com/pywuy3 (http://www.snsanalytics.com/pywuy3)”
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“@BigEastDaily: Big East Season Preview: St. John's Red Storm http://www.snsanalytics.com/pywuy3 (http://www.snsanalytics.com/pywuy3)”
Yeah, sure hope hooper can continue to drain 3's like he did in the Ivy League (in all of his 4 minutes in 2 games)! LOL
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Nice!
“@jeffborzello: The team outside the top 25 with the highest ceiling this season? I'm going with St. John's: http://cbsprt.co/1avBquo (http://cbsprt.co/1avBquo) #sjubb”
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Nice!
“@jeffborzello: The team outside the top 25 with the highest ceiling this season? I'm going with St. John's: http://cbsprt.co/1avBquo (http://cbsprt.co/1avBquo) #sjubb”
"In fact, it’s not a stretch to say that this is the most talented team Steve Lavin has had since arriving at St. John’s"
Lol nor is that statement.
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JT3 and his father have a history of shutting down star players. See Mullin many years ago. Only way to combat that is having multiple threats. DLo isn't afraid to shoot but I think he'll also be smart enough to distribute the ball rather than force things this year. If that works we can be pretty good playing team ball which is the key to the year.
I think he has to force things last year. No one else could hit a 3 pointer. I'm surprised that he is getting such little respect just because he was a behavior problem last year. That's the NBA. One big behavior problem. He should be considered one of the top 3 players in the conference right now.
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Nice!
“@jeffborzello: The team outside the top 25 with the highest ceiling this season? I'm going with St. John's: http://cbsprt.co/1avBquo (http://cbsprt.co/1avBquo) #sjubb”
Providence is gettin seriously overlooked.
Dunn
Cotton
Austin
Henton
Batts
Geez.
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Nice!
“@jeffborzello: The team outside the top 25 with the highest ceiling this season? I'm going with St. John's: http://cbsprt.co/1avBquo (http://cbsprt.co/1avBquo) #sjubb”
Providence is gettin seriously overlooked.
Dunn
Cotton
Austin
Henton
Batts
Geez.
Marillac = ShurinaCheese?
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::)tyler harris is also a player
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Nice!
“@jeffborzello: The team outside the top 25 with the highest ceiling this season? I'm going with St. John's: http://cbsprt.co/1avBquo (http://cbsprt.co/1avBquo) #sjubb”
Providence is gettin seriously overlooked.
Dunn
Cotton
Austin
Henton
Batts
Geez.
Marillac = ShurinaCheese?
Hahahaha...take a look at some of my responses to Shurina over the last two years to prove that one wrong!
I just feel Providence crept up on everyone. Cotton comes out of nowhwere two years ago and the evevates it again last year. Batts becomes a player last year. Dunn was a big time recruit that did just enough to let people forget about his potential. Henton is a potential all-league pick that had a bit of a sophomore slump. They also quietly have two top transfers ready to play this year. The cherry on the top is Brandon Austin, who everyone on the St. John's boards knows Iove.
It really comes down to whether the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. They 5 guys that can go for 25 points or more any given night.
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Nice!
“@jeffborzello: The team outside the top 25 with the highest ceiling this season? I'm going with St. John's: http://cbsprt.co/1avBquo (http://cbsprt.co/1avBquo) #sjubb”
Providence is gettin seriously overlooked.
Dunn
Cotton
Austin
Henton
Batts
Geez.
Marillac = ShurinaCheese?
Hahahaha...take a look at some of my responses to Shurina over the last two years to prove that one wrong!
I just feel Providence crept up on everyone. Cotton comes out of nowhwere two years ago and the evevates it again last year. Batts becomes a player last year. Dunn was a big time recruit that did just enough to let people forget about his potential. Henton is a potential all-league pick that had a bit of a sophomore slump. They also quietly have two top transfers ready to play this year. The cherry on the top is Brandon Austin, who everyone on the St. John's boards knows Iove.
It really comes down to whether the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. They 5 guys that can go for 25 points or more any given night.
Providence was picked to be the surprise team out of the Beast in CBS predictions.
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An elaborate system of charts, graphs, algorithms, tarot cards and dart throwing has led me to...
10 -3 out of conference
11 - 7 conference
21 - 10 heading into the conference tournament. We dance people!
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An elaborate system of charts, graphs, algorithms, tarot cards and dart throwing has led me to...
10 -3 out of conference
11 - 7 conference
21 - 10 heading into the conference tournament. We dance people!
LunCarmineardi. I like it :)
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San Fran game notwithstanding.... I think we end up creaming a lot of teams and we end up with a #3 or #4 in the NCCAA tournament - all the while we re-capture the heart and spirit of NYC.
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The dawn of a new season. For many sports fans this is a time of hope. For me, a lifelong fan of among others the Detroit Lions and Saint John's Red Whatevers, it's the time right before my hopes are dashed.
If it were up to me the starting five would be: Jordan, Harrison, Pointer, Sampson and Sanchez, with various minutes spread between Branch (more) and Greene (fewer) in the back court, and Obekpa and Gift in the front court. Other than Balamou I wouldn’t care if the rest of them played a minute. But if what we saw in the pre season is any indication this won't be. Instead we'll play small, with the 1-3 spots split between the 4 true guards and Pointer. What we won't do is press all over the court 40 minutes of hell style, which certain posters bring up every year as if its even a remote possibility. Saint John’s has never played that way and Lavin's teams have never played that way and won't now. Instead I expect to see what we saw last year. On offense, a break if its there and if not a lot of pointless passing and weaving before someone tries to take someone off the dribble. On defense we'll play man half the time and get beat in various junk defenses the other half.
Regarding the new players, I've been very impressed by Jordan in a limited sample: he's the sort of guard who usually goes to Syracuse. We have not had a big agile point guard like him, well, ever. Hopefully he stays two years. Sanchez also looked good in the limited time I saw him - unlike many savants I actually have to see the players play before knowing if they can - but any talk of him starting right now for the Utah Jazz - I forget who said that last year, someone - is insane. His upside seems to be that he'll be as good as James Southerland. If he was a freshman in four years he might be as good as Billy Owens. But since he's already nearing retirement age, not. Max Hooper is Bourgault with a jump shot and less of a likelihood to collaborate with the Nazis. He might be the spot up shooter Saint John's fans have been longing for since the McIntyre brothers retired, but to my mind if our offense hinges on Hooper hitting some threes we're screwed anyway.
Of the returning players I think Harrison has a monster, first team BE sort of year. Sampson should match or slightly improve his numbers from last year, although I do worry that Lavin has him sitting out at the three point line on the wing, rather than at the foul line, where Sanchez has been installed. Pointer is a year away still from being a complete wrecking ball. Obekpa will block a bunch of shots and grin like a complete idiot at inappropriate times. I'll be interested in seeing whether his jump hook - which last year seemed designed to concuss the opposing team as it caromed off the front rim - has improved. I was impressed by GG in the exhibition games, which only reinforced what I remember from two years ago - he's big, he runs the floor well, he hustles, and he finishes around the basket. I would not be surprised if he made a significant contribution, much to the chagrin of poster Desco, who will be left to dine on crow. Better that Desco had taken the path chosen by certain other SJ fans, which is to post both good things and bad things about all the players and then two years later PLUS ONE the posts that were correct as evidence of your basketball acumen.
One area I don't expect improvement in is coaching. Lavin was a dunce last year and will be a dunce this year and next and the year after that. That means that we'll see the same - and this is me giving him the benefit of the doubt - eccentric strategies, substitutions, and use of time outs that we've seen over the past several. Don't get me wrong, sad sack Saint John's is lucky to have Lavin as head coach, but he's an imbecile.
I think we go into the BE opener vs Xavier with 2 losses: Wisconsin and Syracuse. I'm not going to pretend that I've watched enough Butler and Cretin games to make any sort of serious prediction - I don't even know what sort of creature Cretin's mascot is, although if it were up to me it'd be some sort of drooling lummox - but I figure we sweep DePaul, the Hall and possibly Stevens-less Butler and split with the rest of them, except the one team that sweeps us. My guess there is Georgetown, who seems to have our number recently.
Which puts us at about 11-7 in the BE. Don't know what place that is, maybe 5th ish, but who cares about the preseason. Add to that the 10 ridiculous cupcake wins Lavin has lined up makes about 21-9, and lets say we lose one we shouldn't have - because, you know, we are Saint John's - and that makes it 20-10.
Should be enough to make the tournament. What's the ceiling? Assuming natural maturation and with the right draw they could make the round of 16. I'd give them zero chance of advancing beyond that. Next year though, this team could contend for the title. Unfortunately this team won't be around next year.
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If it were up to me the starting five would be: Jordan, Harrison, Pointer, Sampson and Sanchez,
I think that should be our starting five as well. I hope we see that tonight.
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I agree too with your starting 5. Player assessments are pretty accurate---minus the Nazi reference. But then, to each his own. I'm giving us 21 reg season wins, 2 in BET and 2 in the tourney.
As for the coach. A pretty good one once said: You are what your record says you are. I will paraphrase (for CBB purposes) and say: You are what your record and recruiting say you are. Lavin has been fairly successful on both fronts, so I will respectfully decline to accept the position that he is a total imbecile.
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One area I don't expect improvement in is coaching. Lavin was a dunce last year and will be a dunce this year and next and the year after that. That means that we'll see the same - and this is me giving him the benefit of the doubt - eccentric strategies, substitutions, and use of time outs that we've seen over the past several. Don't get me wrong, sad sack Saint John's is lucky to have Lavin as head coach, but he's an imbecile.
Interesting and well-thought-out critique. On the coaching front, I think you've underestimated Hollywood to some degree. Granted, no one will ever confuse him with a great teacher or game-manager, but I think he's been around the game long enough to identify what his team needs. And, unlike most in his profession, he has a unique ability to connect with young men and their families, and to convince them to follow him to whatever campus he's coaching at. It seems to me that two years ago coach looked at his team, even before Harkless departed, and identified that we had no point guard, no shooting, and lacked size. Not everyone was immediately eligible, but he systematically went about answering those questions to the point where he now has a fully stocked cabinet at his disposal. He brought in Branch and then jordan, signed Marco and Hooper, and answered the question of size with Obekpa and Sanchez.
It's not a given that all coaches would be able to 1) identify the weaknesses in their program, or 2) be able to address those issues so comprehensively.
Secondly, I think we can expect an improvement in coaching because Lavin brought in Whitesell. If you think back, when coach had a full compliment of players in 2010, he knew enough to have Dunlap by his side, and as a result he got that team to over-achieve.
I think the same could be true this season, Lavin knows enough to know his limitations. And, last season he wasn't getting the x's and o's help he needed to make the program successful. Again, coach answered that weakness by upgrading a position in the off-season, in this case the assistant coach.
I give Lavin credit for not proverbially slamming his head against a wall, when something doesn't work he may not discuss it publicly, but he addresses it by bringing in new personnel. It's my experience that most coaches believe they can fix everything themselves, they can coach the players to be better, they can do a better job recruiting, they can successfully change the game-plan themselves, etc.; and Lavin doesn't have that stubbornness.
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One area I don't expect improvement in is coaching. Lavin was a dunce last year and will be a dunce this year and next and the year after that. That means that we'll see the same - and this is me giving him the benefit of the doubt - eccentric strategies, substitutions, and use of time outs that we've seen over the past several. Don't get me wrong, sad sack Saint John's is lucky to have Lavin as head coach, but he's an imbecile.
Interesting and well-thought-out critique. On the coaching front, I think you've underestimated Hollywood to some degree. Granted, no one will ever confuse him with a great teacher or game-manager, but I think he's been around the game long enough to identify what his team needs. And, unlike most in his profession, he has a unique ability to connect with young men and their families, and to convince them to follow him to whatever campus he's coaching at. It seems to me that two years ago coach looked at his team, even before Harkless departed, and identified that we had no point guard, no shooting, and lacked size. Not everyone was immediately eligible, but he systematically went about answering those questions to the point where he now has a fully stocked cabinet at his disposal. He brought in Branch and then jordan, signed Marco and Hooper, and answered the question of size with Obekpa and Sanchez.
It's not a given that all coaches would be able to 1) identify the weaknesses in their program, or 2) be able to address those issues so comprehensively.
Secondly, I think we can expect an improvement in coaching because Lavin brought in Whitesell. If you think back, when coach had a full compliment of players in 2010, he knew enough to have Dunlap by his side, and as a result he got that team to over-achieve.
I think the same could be true this season, Lavin knows enough to know his limitations. And, last season he wasn't getting the x's and o's help he needed to make the program successful. Again, coach answered that weakness by upgrading a position in the off-season, in this case the assistant coach.
I give Lavin credit for not proverbially slamming his head against a wall, when something doesn't work he may not discuss it publicly, but he addresses it by bringing in new personnel. It's my experience that most coaches believe they can fix everything themselves, they can coach the players to be better, they can do a better job recruiting, they can successfully change the game-plan themselves, etc.; and Lavin doesn't have that stubbornness.
Good points.
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gotta go back to the beginning of the thread to see the initial predictions we made
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Funny that win predictions were all fairly close to where we finished but most felt that it would be enough to get us a bid. One even prdicted 21 wins and a 7 seed.
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Funny that win predictions were all fairly close to where we finished but most felt that it would be enough to get us a bid. One even prdicted 21 wins and a 7 seed.
Maybe if we beat the right teams it would have made difference. Is round Robbin the best format? It's great to build rivalries but if half the league is mediocre the round Robin won't really help build a teams resume either.
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Final-4:
Duke
Kentucky
St. Johns
Okla St
Final 4 for St. John's? Yikes!
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Final-4:
Duke
Kentucky
St. Johns
Okla St
Final 4 for St. John's? Yikes!
Yeah, thought Whitesell was the final ingredient to make the potential come together.
Turns out that Lavin is too much an empty suit to be helped by anything less than Dunlap caliber smarts
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Final-4:
Duke
Kentucky
St. Johns
Okla St
Final 4 for St. John's? Yikes!
Yeah, thought Whitesell was the final ingredient to make the potential come together.
Turns out that Lavin is too much an empty suit to be helped by anything less than Dunlap caliber smarts.
big east coaches predicted a sixth place finish I believe, you predicted a final four. so much for your smarts.
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You get laughed at for optimism here. Understood. As well you should. But no one deserves credit for constant pessimism, either. It doesn't make you smart to bet against the Cubs. It makes you an a hole, and useless.
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You get laughed at for optimism here. Understood. As well you should. But no one deserves credit for constant pessimism, either. It doesn't make you smart to bet against the Cubs. It makes you an a hole, and useless.
Actually it makes you money!
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Rothstein, ready to get on band wagon, without knowing who else we recruit. Ha
@JonRothstein: Chris Obekpa's return drastically changes St. John's outlook for 14-15. Red Storm may very well have best starting 5 in Big East. #sjubb
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Rothstein, ready to get on band wagon, without knowing who else we recruit. Ha
@JonRothstein: Chris Obekpa's return drastically changes St. John's outlook for 14-15. Red Storm may very well have best starting 5 in Big East. #sjubb
that guy is such a tool
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Rothstein, ready to get on band wagon, without knowing who else we recruit. Ha
@JonRothstein: Chris Obekpa's return drastically changes St. John's outlook for 14-15. Red Storm may very well have best starting 5 in Big East. #sjubb
Here we go again.
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It won't matter if they have the best starting 5 in the Big East. They had one of the top starting 5's in the Big East this past season and look what it got them.
I have serious reservations about this group ever living up to their potential if Lavin continues to employ the same style of coaching as he's done the past few years. I think it would take a severe system upgrade and coaching overhaul (in-game coaching) to get the most out of this group. I'm not sure that can happen UNLESS they bring in a great ass't bench coach.
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It won't matter if they have the best starting 5 in the Big East. They had one of the top starting 5's in the Big East this past season and look what it got them.
I have serious reservations about this group ever living up to their potential if Lavin continues to employ the same style of coaching as he's done the past few years. I think it would take a severe system upgrade and coaching overhaul (in-game coaching) to get the most out of this group. I'm not sure that can happen UNLESS they bring in a great ass't bench coach.
Blasphemy!
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It won't matter if they have the best starting 5 in the Big East. They had one of the top starting 5's in the Big East this past season and look what it got them.
I have serious reservations about this group ever living up to their potential if Lavin continues to employ the same style of coaching as he's done the past few years. I think it would take a severe system upgrade and coaching overhaul (in-game coaching) to get the most out of this group. I'm not sure that can happen UNLESS they bring in a great ass't bench coach.
Blasphemy!
So Whitsell is not floating your boat?
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Rothstein, ready to get on band wagon, without knowing who else we recruit. Ha
@JonRothstein: Chris Obekpa's return drastically changes St. John's outlook for 14-15. Red Storm may very well have best starting 5 in Big East. #sjubb
I think St Johns had best starting 5 this year as well
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I was mad 0-1, more mad 0-3, furious 0-5. I got less mad 2-5, almost happy 5-5, by the end of the season I was feeling good. I wish we would have won against Providence. I think we also would have won the big east. The hate should have been here in January. The team played well down the stretch. I called lavin plenty of names. He deseved them. Then he started wining. He should get credit for that. Not because I love him, but because its fair. We have good players. He brought them here. He deserves credit for that.
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I was mad 0-1, more mad 0-3, furious 0-5. I got less mad 2-5, almost happy 5-5, by the end of the season I was feeling good. I wish we would have won against Providence. I think we also would have won the big east. The hate should have been here in January. The team played well down the stretch. I called lavin plenty of names. He deseved them. Then he started wining. He should get credit for that. Not because I love him, but because its fair. We have good players. He brought them here. He deserves credit for that.
Exactly. If it weren't for Lavin, not one of these players would have been here.
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I was mad 0-1, more mad 0-3, furious 0-5. I got less mad 2-5, almost happy 5-5, by the end of the season I was feeling good. I wish we would have won against Providence. I think we also would have won the big east. The hate should have been here in January. The team played well down the stretch. I called lavin plenty of names. He deseved them. Then he started wining. He should get credit for that. Not because I love him, but because its fair. We have good players. He brought them here. He deserves credit for that.
Talk about setting the bar low. He brought them where? To a first round loss to Robert Morris in the NIT? With the talent this roster has Lavin vastly underachieved last year. As you heard every expert on the Big East last year, St John's was probably the most talented team in the league. Well if that was the case, then why didn't they make the NCAA? Coaching.
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I was mad 0-1, more mad 0-3, furious 0-5. I got less mad 2-5, almost happy 5-5, by the end of the season I was feeling good. I wish we would have won against Providence. I think we also would have won the big east. The hate should have been here in January. The team played well down the stretch. I called lavin plenty of names. He deserved them. Then he started wining. He should get credit for that. Not because I love him, but because its fair. We have good players. He brought them here. He deserves credit for that.
Talk about setting the bar low. He brought them where? To a first round loss to Robert Morris in the NIT? With the talent this roster has Lavin vastly underachieved last year. As you heard every expert on the Big East last year, St John's was probably the most talented team in the league. Well if that was the case, then why didn't they make the NCAA? Coaching.
You miss my point. I was ready to fire him in January. I was leading the charge to fire him. People thought I was crazy. From late January on the team played great. At 0-5 what chance did we have to make the tournament? He deserves every criticism for that. If he was fired then I wouldn't have been upset. As a whole I dont see this as an awful season.
What if they beat Providence instead of losing close. Lose the next big east game and sneak in to the tournament and play that Tuesday in Dayton and lose. Is that a successful season? I think most on here would think so. I would feel very similarly to how I do now.
Lavin can recruit. He proved the 1st year that he can be a great face of the program. He arrogantly fxcked this season up. He fixed it. Don't think he is a genius but I dont think he wants to lose and be a laughing stock any more.
We have good players. I think he will get us more. I think (hope) he keeps his stupid ideas to himself and simplifies things. No shitty zone, always play with PG, and always play your best players. If so I think we have a good season, If not he will be out of here.
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I was mad 0-1, more mad 0-3, furious 0-5. I got less mad 2-5, almost happy 5-5, by the end of the season I was feeling good. I wish we would have won against Providence. I think we also would have won the big east. The hate should have been here in January. The team played well down the stretch. I called lavin plenty of names. He deserved them. Then he started wining. He should get credit for that. Not because I love him, but because its fair. We have good players. He brought them here. He deserves credit for that.
Talk about setting the bar low. He brought them where? To a first round loss to Robert Morris in the NIT? With the talent this roster has Lavin vastly underachieved last year. As you heard every expert on the Big East last year, St John's was probably the most talented team in the league. Well if that was the case, then why didn't they make the NCAA? Coaching.
You miss my point. I was ready to fire him in January. I was leading the charge to fire him. People thought I was crazy. From late January on the team played great. At 0-5 what chance did we have to make the tournament? He deserves every criticism for that. If he was fired then I wouldn't have been upset. As a whole I dont see this as an awful season.
What if they beat Providence instead of losing close. Lose the next big east game and sneak in to the tournament and play that Tuesday in Dayton and lose. Is that a successful season? I think most on here would think so. I would feel very similarly to how I do now.
Lavin can recruit. He proved the 1st year that he can be a great face of the program. He arrogantly fxcked this season up. He fixed it. Don't think he is a genius but I dont think he wants to lose and be a laughing stock any more.
We have good players. I think he will get us more. I think (hope) he keeps his stupid ideas to himself and simplifies things. No shitty zone, always play with PG, and always play your best players. If so I think we have a good season, If not he will be out of here.
But beating Prov and losing to SHU in the BET would not have had us in the big boy tournament
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I was mad 0-1, more mad 0-3, furious 0-5. I got less mad 2-5, almost happy 5-5, by the end of the season I was feeling good. I wish we would have won against Providence. I think we also would have won the big east. The hate should have been here in January. The team played well down the stretch. I called lavin plenty of names. He deserved them. Then he started wining. He should get credit for that. Not because I love him, but because its fair. We have good players. He brought them here. He deserves credit for that.
Talk about setting the bar low. He brought them where? To a first round loss to Robert Morris in the NIT? With the talent this roster has Lavin vastly underachieved last year. As you heard every expert on the Big East last year, St John's was probably the most talented team in the league. Well if that was the case, then why didn't they make the NCAA? Coaching.
You miss my point. I was ready to fire him in January. I was leading the charge to fire him. People thought I was crazy. From late January on the team played great. At 0-5 what chance did we have to make the tournament? He deserves every criticism for that. If he was fired then I wouldn't have been upset. As a whole I dont see this as an awful season.
What if they beat Providence instead of losing close. Lose the next big east game and sneak in to the tournament and play that Tuesday in Dayton and lose. Is that a successful season? I think most on here would think so. I would feel very similarly to how I do now.
Lavin can recruit. He proved the 1st year that he can be a great face of the program. He arrogantly fxcked this season up. He fixed it. Don't think he is a genius but I dont think he wants to lose and be a laughing stock any more.
We have good players. I think he will get us more. I think (hope) he keeps his stupid ideas to himself and simplifies things. No shitty zone, always play with PG, and always play your best players. If so I think we have a good season, If not he will be out of here.
We didn't play well from late January on, we had 4 good weeks, and then we reverted back. Starting with the Villanova game things began to crumble. The ball movement stopped and the defensive lapses returned.
The Nova game can be written off because we were missing a key player and Obekpa was hurt. Plus they were obviously a very good team.
But DePaul, Xavier, Marquette, providence, Robert Morris ... we're all bad performances by us. And 3 of them were particularly awful: Xavier, PC, rmu.
We didn't turn a corner so much as we got hot for a stretch against questionable opponents and then reverted back to undisciplined and poor fundamental basketball. They are who we thought they were.
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I was away for the villinova game so I missed it. We were without sanchez and we played a top 10 very close on the road and lost. From reading the boards it sounded like we could have won. We beat Marquette and Depual. Can't kill the coach when he wins. Xavier was a tough loss, but they are a good team. I don't like sticking up for Lavin, it makes me feel stupid. But the hate has gone to far.
From 0-5 to 10-8 in conference isnt getting hot for a time, Thats a complete turn around. 2 of those losses were on the road vs creighton and Nova. Both close games. We beat G-town who has killed us lately and Marquette twice.
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I was mad 0-1, more mad 0-3, furious 0-5. I got less mad 2-5, almost happy 5-5, by the end of the season I was feeling good. I wish we would have won against Providence. I think we also would have won the big east. The hate should have been here in January. The team played well down the stretch. I called lavin plenty of names. He deserved them. Then he started wining. He should get credit for that. Not because I love him, but because its fair. We have good players. He brought them here. He deserves credit for that.
Talk about setting the bar low. He brought them where? To a first round loss to Robert Morris in the NIT? With the talent this roster has Lavin vastly underachieved last year. As you heard every expert on the Big East last year, St John's was probably the most talented team in the league. Well if that was the case, then why didn't they make the NCAA? Coaching.
You miss my point. I was ready to fire him in January. I was leading the charge to fire him. People thought I was crazy. From late January on the team played great. At 0-5 what chance did we have to make the tournament? He deserves every criticism for that. If he was fired then I wouldn't have been upset. As a whole I dont see this as an awful season.
What if they beat Providence instead of losing close. Lose the next big east game and sneak in to the tournament and play that Tuesday in Dayton and lose. Is that a successful season? I think most on here would think so. I would feel very similarly to how I do now.
Lavin can recruit. He proved the 1st year that he can be a great face of the program. He arrogantly fxcked this season up. He fixed it. Don't think he is a genius but I dont think he wants to lose and be a laughing stock any more.
We have good players. I think he will get us more. I think (hope) he keeps his stupid ideas to himself and simplifies things. No shitty zone, always play with PG, and always play your best players. If so I think we have a good season, If not he will be out of here.
We didn't play well from late January on, we had 4 good weeks, and then we reverted back. Starting with the Villanova game things began to crumble. The ball movement stopped and the defensive lapses returned.
The Nova game can be written off because we were missing a key player and Obekpa was hurt. Plus they were obviously a very good team.
But DePaul, Xavier, Marquette, providence, Robert Morris ... we're all bad performances by us. And 3 of them were particularly awful: Xavier, PC, rmu.
We didn't turn a corner so much as we got hot for a stretch against questionable opponents and then reverted back to undisciplined and poor fundamental basketball. They are who we thought they were.
Not a good season, but this isn't true. Beat DePaul. Beat marquette at their place where they almost never lose. Played nova well with obekpa hurting at their place (a team that's only loses at that point were creighton and at cuse). Understand you were disappointed and want the USF coach, but there are plenty of actual problems with this season and those games aren't them. I'm with tonyd here.
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I was away for the villinova game so I missed it. We were without sanchez and we played a top 10 very close on the road and lost. From reading the boards it sounded like we could have won. We beat Marquette and Depual. Can't kill the coach when he wins. Xavier was a tough loss, but they are a good team. I don't like sticking up for Lavin, it makes me feel stupid. But the hate has gone to far.
From 0-5 to 10-8 in conference isnt getting hot for a time, Thats a complete turn around. 2 of those losses were on the road vs creighton and Nova. Both close games. We beat G-town who has killed us lately and Marquette twice.
Where can we pick up our trophies? Some of you act like it was preordained or that we were given an 0-5 start. No, we never should have started 0-5 so that's on Lavin. If you say blame the players that's on Lavin too, he brought them here. All this being said to counter your point of things have gone too far. Maybe a few are still wanting him gone but most including myself have acquiesced to him staying, have become somewhat optimistic again we will get a few kids this year that can help and maybe against all odds Lavin can have a great 15 class. At least that's what I hope, cause I like Lavin and just want to win again already. Is that too much to ask for all of our long time fans? I don't think so.
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I was away for the villinova game so I missed it. We were without sanchez and we played a top 10 very close on the road and lost. From reading the boards it sounded like we could have won. We beat Marquette and Depual. Can't kill the coach when he wins. Xavier was a tough loss, but they are a good team. I don't like sticking up for Lavin, it makes me feel stupid. But the hate has gone to far.
From 0-5 to 10-8 in conference isnt getting hot for a time, Thats a complete turn around. 2 of those losses were on the road vs creighton and Nova. Both close games. We beat G-town who has killed us lately and Marquette twice.
Where can we pick up our trophies? Some of you act like it was preordained or that we were given an 0-5 start. No, we never should have started 0-5 so that's on Lavin. If you say blame the players that's on Lavin too, he brought them here. All this being said to counter your point of things have gone too far. Maybe a few are still wanting him gone but most including myself have acquiesced to him staying, have become somewhat optimistic again we will get a few kids this year that can help and maybe against all odds Lavin can have a great 15 class. At least that's what I hope, cause I like Lavin and just want to win again already. Is that too much to ask for all of our long time fans? I don't think so.
Some of you it seems like you don't even read the post before you respond. Nowhere in Tony's post did he say he thought we deserved a trophy. All he said was after starting 0-5, finishing 10-8 is impressive. I know any post that says anything remotely good about the basketball team you automatically don't like, but come on already, nothing Tony said was incorrect. That stretch of basketball was not a fluke. We are closer to the 10-3 we finished with than the 0-5 we started with.
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I was away for the villinova game so I missed it. We were without sanchez and we played a top 10 very close on the road and lost. From reading the boards it sounded like we could have won. We beat Marquette and Depual. Can't kill the coach when he wins. Xavier was a tough loss, but they are a good team. I don't like sticking up for Lavin, it makes me feel stupid. But the hate has gone to far.
From 0-5 to 10-8 in conference isnt getting hot for a time, Thats a complete turn around. 2 of those losses were on the road vs creighton and Nova. Both close games. We beat G-town who has killed us lately and Marquette twice.
Where can we pick up our trophies? Some of you act like it was preordained or that we were given an 0-5 start. No, we never should have started 0-5 so that's on Lavin. If you say blame the players that's on Lavin too, he brought them here. All this being said to counter your point of things have gone too far. Maybe a few are still wanting him gone but most including myself have acquiesced to him staying, have become somewhat optimistic again we will get a few kids this year that can help and maybe against all odds Lavin can have a great 15 class. At least that's what I hope, cause I like Lavin and just want to win again already. Is that too much to ask for all of our long time fans? I don't think so.
Some of you it seems like you don't even read the post before you respond. Nowhere in Tony's post did he say he thought we deserved a trophy. All he said was after starting 0-5, finishing 10-8 is impressive. I know any post that says anything remotely good about the basketball team you automatically don't like, but come on already, nothing Tony said was incorrect. That stretch of basketball was not a fluke. We are closer to the 10-3 we finished with than the 0-5 we started with.
I can read and it is your reading comprehension that is deficient. Of course I didn't mean the trophy thing literally, it was a figure of speech and an exaggeration (can't believe I have to waste my time explaining that one). And I would not have to say anything negative about the program if you guys would stop with the incessant praising of an underachieving team. But that would be too much to ask so praise away and when I feel like pointing out the folly of your assertions I will feel free to respond in kind.
PS You sound like a Met fan that gets excited when they play well in September to put the finish on another well under .500 season and finish 20 games out of first place.
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Celtics-everything you post is a figure of speech and an exaggeration ... If not, just a corny joke.
TonyD-has been fair through the season of his critique and then praise of the team. What a novel concept, a poster that isn't afraid to admit he was wrong and change his mind. He's not concerned with proving with every post that he is right. He posts what he sees.
More should do the same.
I will await the inevitable responses of the folly of my ways.
Happy Easter
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I was away for the villinova game so I missed it. We were without sanchez and we played a top 10 very close on the road and lost. From reading the boards it sounded like we could have won. We beat Marquette and Depual. Can't kill the coach when he wins. Xavier was a tough loss, but they are a good team. I don't like sticking up for Lavin, it makes me feel stupid. But the hate has gone to far.
From 0-5 to 10-8 in conference isnt getting hot for a time, Thats a complete turn around. 2 of those losses were on the road vs creighton and Nova. Both close games. We beat G-town who has killed us lately and Marquette twice.
Where can we pick up our trophies? Some of you act like it was preordained or that we were given an 0-5 start. No, we never should have started 0-5 so that's on Lavin. If you say blame the players that's on Lavin too, he brought them here. All this being said to counter your point of things have gone too far. Maybe a few are still wanting him gone but most including myself have acquiesced to him staying, have become somewhat optimistic again we will get a few kids this year that can help and maybe against all odds Lavin can have a great 15 class. At least that's what I hope, cause I like Lavin and just want to win again already. Is that too much to ask for all of our long time fans? I don't think so.
Some of you it seems like you don't even read the post before you respond. Nowhere in Tony's post did he say he thought we deserved a trophy. All he said was after starting 0-5, finishing 10-8 is impressive. I know any post that says anything remotely good about the basketball team you automatically don't like, but come on already, nothing Tony said was incorrect. That stretch of basketball was not a fluke. We are closer to the 10-3 we finished with than the 0-5 we started with.
I can read and it is your reading comprehension that is deficient. Of course I didn't mean the trophy thing literally, it was a figure of speech and an exaggeration (can't believe I have to waste my time explaining that one). And I would not have to say anything negative about the program if you guys would stop with the incessant praising of an underachieving team. But that would be too much to ask so praise away and when I feel like pointing out the folly of your assertions I will feel free to respond in kind.
PS You sound like a Met fan that gets excited when they play well in September to put the finish on another well under .500 season and finish 20 games out of first place.
Obviously I knew it was figure of speech, (can't believe I had to explain that one) just pointing out that Tony was merely commenting that 10-3 after 0-5 is impressive. I know that's impossible for you to admit because of your agenda.
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I was away for the villinova game so I missed it. We were without sanchez and we played a top 10 very close on the road and lost. From reading the boards it sounded like we could have won. We beat Marquette and Depual. Can't kill the coach when he wins. Xavier was a tough loss, but they are a good team. I don't like sticking up for Lavin, it makes me feel stupid. But the hate has gone to far.
From 0-5 to 10-8 in conference isnt getting hot for a time, Thats a complete turn around. 2 of those losses were on the road vs creighton and Nova. Both close games. We beat G-town who has killed us lately and Marquette twice.
Where can we pick up our trophies? Some of you act like it was preordained or that we were given an 0-5 start. No, we never should have started 0-5 so that's on Lavin. If you say blame the players that's on Lavin too, he brought them here. All this being said to counter your point of things have gone too far. Maybe a few are still wanting him gone but most including myself have acquiesced to him staying, have become somewhat optimistic again we will get a few kids this year that can help and maybe against all odds Lavin can have a great 15 class. At least that's what I hope, cause I like Lavin and just want to win again already. Is that too much to ask for all of our long time fans? I don't think so.
Some of you it seems like you don't even read the post before you respond. Nowhere in Tony's post did he say he thought we deserved a trophy. All he said was after starting 0-5, finishing 10-8 is impressive. I know any post that says anything remotely good about the basketball team you automatically don't like, but come on already, nothing Tony said was incorrect. That stretch of basketball was not a fluke. We are closer to the 10-3 we finished with than the 0-5 we started with.
I can read and it is your reading comprehension that is deficient. Of course I didn't mean the trophy thing literally, it was a figure of speech and an exaggeration (can't believe I have to waste my time explaining that one). And I would not have to say anything negative about the program if you guys would stop with the incessant praising of an underachieving team. But that would be too much to ask so praise away and when I feel like pointing out the folly of your assertions I will feel free to respond in kind.
PS You sound like a Met fan that gets excited when they play well in September to put the finish on another well under .500 season and finish 20 games out of first place.
Who is incessantly praising?!? Please point out ONE post where anyone thinks we were amazing team last year. ANYONE who is overjoyed with a first round NIT exit. Absolutely no one is incessantly praising this team. It's made up by you and a few others. We all want to be better than 20-13, and we have a great shot of doing it next year.
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If you aren't demanding coaches firing then you are a Kools -aide drinker.
Needs to be kept simple for the dolts on board.
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Celtics-everything you post is a figure of speech and an exaggeration ... If not, just a corny joke.
TonyD-has been fair through the season of his critique and then praise of the team. What a novel concept, a poster that isn't afraid to admit he was wrong and change his mind. He's not concerned with proving with every post that he is right. He posts what he sees.
More should do the same.
I will await the inevitable responses of the folly of my ways.
Happy Easter
Happy Easter
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If you aren't demanding coaches firing then you are a Kools -aide drinker.
Needs to be kept simple for the dolts on board.
Nope. There is also a faction that doesn't think Lavin should or will be fired but is not above criticism and has to do a better job. But irrational people such as yourself don't seem to understand that. You remark that you understand Lavin is not a great coach but then 99% of your posts are complaining ABOUT PEOPLE Complaining about the coach. So are you the final word on Lavin's coaching and no one else can complain? Or have you decreed that since it has been stated by you that he is not a great coach, no one else should mention it ever again because you have decided that since you already stated he is not a great coach if anyone else mentions it, it is tiresome to you?
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If you aren't demanding coaches firing then you are a Kools -aide drinker.
Needs to be kept simple for the dolts on board.
Nope. There is also a faction that doesn't think Lavin should or will be fired but is not above criticism and has to do a better job. But irrational people such as yourself don't seem to understand that. You remark that you understand Lavin is not a great coach but then 99% of your posts are complaining ABOUT PEOPLE Complaining about the coach. So are you the final word on Lavin's coaching and no one else can complain? Or have you decreed that since it has been stated by you that he is not a great coach, no one else should mention it ever again because you have decided that since you already stated he is not a great coach if anyone else mentions it, it is tiresome to you?
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You two really need to get me and my posts out of your heads. Here's a novel concept, skip them if they bother you.
I will continue to call them as I see them, while you can can continue to call them... Well, wrong.
:patiently anticipating next remark that puts me in my place:
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You two really need to get me and my posts out of your heads. Here's a novel concept, skip them if they bother you.
I will continue to call them as I see them, while you can can continue to call them... Well, wrong.
:patiently anticipating next remark that puts me in my place:
well there are 5639 of them so would be difficult to ignore. You can post whatever you want, just never understood how complaining about people complaining is better than the original complainer?
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well thanks... now you can stop complaining about my posts..
I will now focus on making ridiculous predictions for my next few thousand posts.
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well thanks... now you can stop complaining about my posts..
I will now focus on making ridiculous predictions for my next few thousand posts.
Or in other words business as usual. :)