6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => Recruiting Archives => Recruiting => 2016 Class => Topic started by: paultzman on March 11, 2013, 05:50:27 PM
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Heard on TV Sunday, he is a sophomore eligibility wise, but have no idea. I left him in this section absent clarification. Don't have a clue what this says, but guess it will note Chiles presence at playoffs this week. Not a big deal probably.
“@NYCHoops: http://RedStormReport.com (http://RedStormReport.com) - St. John's eyes freshman sensation http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1482174 (http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1482174) #STJBB #BigEast #CollegeHoops”
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"Alkins, albeit only a freshman, has already started to turn heads. Coach Arbitello said the future star has no offers but already has major interest from "St. John's and West Virginia."
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3rd year playing varsity, he's a super freshman If you get what I mean. 16 turning 17. Was a 9th grader last year at a school in Florida and an 8th grader twice in 2 different schools down there, all in all he is talented just ringing.
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Heard on TV Sunday, he is a sophomore eligibility wise, but have no idea. I left him in this section absent clarification. Don't have a clue what this says, but guess it will note Chiles presence at playoffs this week. Not a big deal probably.
“@NYCHoops: http://RedStormReport.com (http://RedStormReport.com) - St. John's eyes freshman sensation http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1482174 (http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1482174) #STJBB #BigEast #CollegeHoops”
He lost a year of eligibility because he played on a varsity HS team in Florida as a 8th grader.
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So this kid will re-classify what, 4 times before he lands?
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Heard on TV Sunday, he is a sophomore eligibility wise, but have no idea. I left him in this section absent clarification. Don't have a clue what this says, but guess it will note Chiles presence at playoffs this week. Not a big deal probably.
“@NYCHoops: http://RedStormReport.com (http://RedStormReport.com) - St. John's eyes freshman sensation http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1482174 (http://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1482174) #STJBB #BigEast #CollegeHoops”
He lost a year of eligibility because he played on a varsity HS team in Florida as a 8th grader.
Huh? You lose eligibility for being good?
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So this kid will re-classify what, 4 times before he lands?
That's the name of the game!
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3rd year playing varsity, he's a super freshman If you get what I mean. 16 turning 17. Was a 9th grader last year at a school in Florida and an 8th grader twice in 2 different schools down there, all in all he is talented just ringing.
This might be a Danny Almonte thing then because I was told he is 15 :)
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Christ the King freshman Rawle Alkins' recruitment has begun. Fordham offered and West Va., St. John's, Rutgers and Pitt showing interest.”
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Christ the King freshman Rawle Alkins' recruitment has begun. Fordham offered and West Va., St. John's, Rutgers and Pitt showing interest.”
Poor Pecora wasted those valuable cell phone minutes. He should be more frugal with those offers :)
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Christ the King freshman Rawle Alkins' recruitment has begun. Fordham offered and West Va., St. John's, Rutgers and Pitt showing interest.”
Fordham? Pecora must just want to see Fordham's name listed alongside heavyweights
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Rawle Alkins was a virtual unknown entering the prestigious Catholic league playoffs, an impressively built freshman from Florida who appeared in just a handful of regular season games.
By the end of the tournament, however, he had his first scholarship offer and intrigued a handful of Big East schools. After scoring 14 points in the Royals win over Bishop Loughlin in the CHSAA Class AA intersectional final, some were even comparing the explosive athlete to New York City’s most accomplished basketball player of all-time.
“I hate to do this, but he reminds me of Lance [Stephenson],” Christ the King coach Joe Arbitello said of the Pacers guard and New York State’s all-time leading scorer. “But he shoots it, I think, better [than Lance did at the same age].”
Raised in Canarsie, Alkins spent his formative years in Florida. He returned home this summer and enrolled at Christ the King. As far as credits go, he’s a freshman, but age-wise, he’s a sophomore, Arbitello said.
For that reason, Arbitello didn’t let him join the team until he began to catch up in the classroom. He made his debut Jan. 29 against Molloy and has emerged as a shot of adrenaline off the bench for Christ the King, an adept finisher, solid defender and rebounder.
His recruitment has already begun, though it should take off once he gets on the AAU circuit and plays in front of more coaches. Fordham extended an offer this week and St. John’s, Rutgers, West Virginia, Pittsburgh and Cincinnati expressed interest after seeing his performance last Sunday.
“If there is a better freshman around, I didn’t see him,” renowned talent evaluator Tom Konchalski said. “He reminds me of two players who were physically ahead of their peers, Lance Stephenson and Lenny Cooke. Not only because he’s strong, the thing about him he has a very good feel for the game, he can really pass, he can defend multiple positions.”
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Christ the King point guard Malik Harmon took an official visit to St. Francis (Pa.), which offered him his first Division I scholarship last week. The senior holds a handful of Division II offers, including Adelphi and C.W. Post.
Read more: RECRUITING CONFIDENTIAL: Christ the King freshman Rawle Alkins draws comparisons to Lance Stephenson - NYPOST.com http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/collegesports/recruiting_confidential_christ_the_ngcf13J2DpElEEImkyD4CM#ixzz2Nee6lNC4 (http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/collegesports/recruiting_confidential_christ_the_ngcf13J2DpElEEImkyD4CM#ixzz2Nee6lNC4)
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Cal, being Cal!
“@nydnmabramson: Christ the king coach joe arbitello just had convo with Kentucky's Calipari. According to arbitello Calipari "loves" Ck frosh rawle alkins”
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“@NYPost_Brazille: In addition to Severe scoring a Federation-record 40, Rawle Alkins had 13 and 10.Yeah, he's good.”
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serve was torching tonight
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"Late in the 2nd quarter Facey through down a 1 handed slam that woke up the crowd, it also woke up freshman Rawle Alkins who was the one Facey dunked on. Facey inadvertently woke the sleeping giant.
Rawle Alkins
"When Facey dunked on me it woke me up and made me want to show off my game." Alkins said.
That's exactly what he did scoring 10 in the 3rd including a crazy windmill like dunk to open the game open a bit. That dunk propelled CK on an 11-2 run to make it a 57-42 Royals lead after 3."
“@NYCHoops: Christ the King Royals Crowned NYS Champs: There is a tradition of winning at Christ the King, but for as many... http://bit.ly/11ykeUN (http://bit.ly/11ykeUN)”
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“@DaveTelep: 2016 wing Rawle Alkins. Motor. Intensity. Has a chance to be a big time player. Need to see that J. #exclusiverun”
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“@DaveTelep: 2016 wing Rawle Alkins. Motor. Intensity. Has a chance to be a big time player. Need to see that J. #exclusiverun”
If he stays without a J we could have a great shot at getting this kid. ;)
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Fwiw, # 21
“@Hoopniks: Pre-Summer Player Rankings Update: Class of 2016 Top 30 Prospects http://fb.me/1W1X4IlVB (http://fb.me/1W1X4IlVB)”
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Fwiw, # 21
“@Hoopniks: Pre-Summer Player Rankings Update: Class of 2016 Top 30 Prospects http://fb.me/1W1X4IlVB (http://fb.me/1W1X4IlVB)”
Devonte green?
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Fwiw, # 21
“@Hoopniks: Pre-Summer Player Rankings Update: Class of 2016 Top 30 Prospects http://fb.me/1W1X4IlVB (http://fb.me/1W1X4IlVB)”
Devonte green?
good point!
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“@TheRecruitScoop: Villanova offered 2016 SG Rawle Alkins of New Rens (NY) during his unofficial visit today.”
“@NYPost_Brazille: In addition to a Villanova offer, Christ the King's Rawle Alkins has new interest from Miami, he says.”
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"Rawle Alkins (Christ the King, class of 2016): A promising prospect, Alkins’ versatility was on full-display at Rutgers Team Camp. At 6-4, Alkins proved capable of guarding multiple positions on the floor. Alkins’ quick feet paid dividends when matched up against guards on the perimeter and the forward’s high basketball IQ was showcased while in the post. A capable three-point shooter, Alkins made his presence felt around the rim on the offensive end of the floor, displaying a quick second-jump ability."
“@GothamHoops: Top Performers: Rutgers Team Camp - Part 1 http://www.gothamhoops.com/top-performers-rutgers-team-camp/ (http://www.gothamhoops.com/top-performers-rutgers-team-camp/) feat. @dreamchaser_kay @Iam_RawleAlkins @theofficial_q + more”
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“@ebosshoops: 2016 Rawle Atkins is a baller. Liked him a lot in April and he's not disappointing here in July. Easy high major. #super64”
Obviously Bossi misspelled the last name.
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There were two class of 2016 wings who caught our eyes due in large part to their similarity. Six-foot-5 Mustapha Heron and Rawle Alkins are both physical wings who love to attack the basket, finish through contact and make enough shots to keep their defenders honest. We'd expect that we will hear a lot from them down the road. Alkins already has offers from Villanova and Fordham and has heard from George Mason, Kentucky, St. John's, Florida, West Virginia and others.
- See more at: http://recruitscoop.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1529027#sthash.rQIsfprV.dpuf (http://recruitscoop.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1529027#sthash.rQIsfprV.dpuf)
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Not knocking Rawle I like him alot but I think mustapha is better right now
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“@ebosshoops: Have now watched Rawle Alkins enough to be pretty sure he's a high level guy. Powerful 2016 wing who has some game off the bounce. #super64”
“@Hoopniks: Rawle Alkins has it working early for the NY Rens. Jamal Aytes productive as usual for Dream Vision. #Super64”
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Not knocking Rawle I like him alot but I think mustapha is better right now
Right on cue Kob;
There were two class of 2016 wings who caught our eyes due in large part to their similarity. Six-foot-5 Mustapha Heron and Rawle Alkins are both physical wings who love to attack the basket, finish through contact and make enough shots to keep their defenders honest. We'd expect that we will hear a lot from them down the road. Alkins already has offers from Villanova and Fordham and has heard from George Mason, Kentucky, St. John's, Florida, West Virginia and others.
- See more at: http://nychoops.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1529027#sthash.bxn (http://nychoops.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1529027#sthash.bxn)
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Not knocking Rawle I like him alot but I think mustapha is better right now
Agree, mustapha is the total package. Can play some point as well
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Savino works NY/NJ area well obviously;
“@TheRecruitScoop: Cincinnati offered 2016 New Rens (NY) SG Rawle Alkins & recently extended an offer to 2015 Gym Rats (NJ) PF Horace Spencer.”
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“@CerasolisGhost: Per @TheRecruitScoop, Seton Hall has offered 2016 Christ The King guard Rawle Alkins. Rivals/ESPN claim Nova, Fordham have as well. #shbb”
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"Rawle Alkins started the year as a virtual unknown on a stacked Christ the King boys basketball team.
He ended his freshman year as one of the city’s rising stars after helping the Royals capture the New York State Federation Class AA title in Albany.
The uber-athletic 6-foot-4 guard arrived at Christ the King from Florida, where he lived for several years after being raised in Canarsie. Royals coach Joe Arbitello brought Alkins along slowly during the season.
Alkins didn’t make his debut until Jan. 29 against Archbishop Molloy. He quickly provided a spark off the bench with his athleticism and has already drawn comparisons to former Lincoln great Lance Stephenson.
While he opened eyes as a ferocious dunker, Alkins showcased his entire arsenal in the postseason. He scored 14 points in the CHSAA Class AA intersectional final against Bishop Loughlin and had 12 points on 5-of-7 shooting, including 2-of-3 from 3-point range, in the Federation final against Long Island Lutheran.
“Rawle is really improving in the classroom,” Arbitello said. “He’s trying to add muscle since he’s played with our alumni [after the season]. He understands the importance of getting stronger.”
Fordham was the first to offer Alkins following his freshman year, but while competing with New Rens on the AAU circuit, Alkins has continued to impress and now also has offers from Cincinnati, Villanova and Seton Hall in addition to interest from a bevy of Division I schools.
“Everybody talks about his dunking, but I’ve been telling everyone he can really pass and he can really shoot it,” Arbitello said after the Federation final. “I think today you guys understand he can really shoot it.”
“@Dylan_Butler: First up in a look at the top 30 players to watch in NYC is CK rising soph Rawle Alkins http://www.msgvarsity.com/s/6Ht3 (http://www.msgvarsity.com/s/6Ht3) via @MSG_Varsity”
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Improving in the classroom meaning he will be a risk to qualify?
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Improving in the classroom meaning he will be a risk to qualify?
CTK kids are usually not an issue there.
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http://zagsblog.com/articles/2016-guard-alkins-adds-cincinnati-seton-hall-offers/ (http://zagsblog.com/articles/2016-guard-alkins-adds-cincinnati-seton-hall-offers/)
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“@NYPost_Brazille: Found it interesting, Rawle Alkins mentioned Fordham a few times today. Long way to go, but Rams seem to be all over him.”
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Regarding schools he mentioned....
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille 43m
"Cincy, Seton Hall. Not St. John's, though."
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Regarding schools he mentioned....
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille 43m
"Cincy, Seton Hall. Not St. John's, though."
What is Lavin doing. Geez
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“@BFlinnFuture150: 2016 Christ the King (NY) G Rawle Atkins lists offers from Cincinnati and Seton Hall. Interest from ND, Mia, St.John's, UK, and Villanova”
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Regarding schools he mentioned....
Zach Braziller @NYPost_Brazille 43m
"Cincy, Seton Hall. Not St. John's, though."
What is Lavin doing. Geez
Probably vacationing in Europe or something...
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“@CNG_Staszewski: Royals’ Alkins preps for hoops spotlight http://www.timesledger.com/stories/2013/33/alkinsstrick_all_2013_08_16_q.html (http://www.timesledger.com/stories/2013/33/alkinsstrick_all_2013_08_16_q.html) via @TimesLedger”
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Rawle Alkins is a 6-foot-4 shooting guard out of Christ the King High School and the best player in the New York area in the Class of 2016.
He holds offers from Villanova, Cincinnati, Seton Hall and Fordham, and has interest from Kentucky, Miami, St. John’s and others.
“It feels good knowing that in the future I don’t have to pay for school,” Alkins said.
“He is the most complete sophomore I have ever coached,” CTK coach Joe Arbitello said.
In the above video from the Big Strick Classic, Alkins talks about winning the New York State Federation Tournament of Champions last year and gives an update on his recruitment.
“@AdamZagoria: Rawle Alkins Talks Recruiting http://zagsblog.com/video/rawle-alkins-talks-recruiting/ (http://zagsblog.com/video/rawle-alkins-talks-recruiting/)”
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New York, NY (Future150) -- New York is home to the mecca of basketball, Madison Square Garden. It is also home to many other historically great hoops spots, such as Rucker Park and Dyckman. Legends have played on these courts, and the high school ranks in the city have been historically loaded over the years.
That is until recently, when most New York City players started leaving for prep schools to either get their grades in order or to further expand their games. Despite the mass exodus, some players remain. Isaiah Whitehead has carved out a great career at Lincoln. Before him, Omar Calhoun was dominant at Christ the King. Make no mistake, there is still plenty of talent in the city.
One of NYC's brightest young stars happens to play at Christ the King as well; Rawle Alkins. He might only be a rising sophomore, but there's no doubting that he could be the next big thing in the city.
The 6-foot-4 guard knows the pressure that comes with playing in NYC and says it motivates him to be better.
"Coming from here just makes me want to be one of the best," he told Future150.
Alkins recently played in the Big Strick Classic and showed what he can do. He has a decent shot and is pretty athletic. While it is clear that his game still needs work, Alkins could be one of the top players in his class when it's all said and done. Despite that, Alkins doesn't feed into the hype machine; he's just focused on getting better.
"I don't pay attention to the rankings or anything like that, I just want to play basketball," Alkins said.
Over the summer, Alkins picked up a couple of offers from Cinncinatti and Seton Hall. Alkins has also started to draw interest from Miami (FL), Notre Dame, Villanova, Fordham, St.John's, and Kentucky. Interest should only continue to grow for the Christ the King product as the high school season begins. It is clear that Alkins has a chance to be special. What makes it more impressive is he can do it all with the New York skyline at his back.
https://twitter.com/future150erich/status/369934310884642816
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“@BFlinnFuture150: 2016 Christ the King G Rawle Alkins also recently added an offer from St. John's”
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“@GiveNGobball: St. John's and Duquesne were at Rawle Alkins' workout this past Friday.”
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#19
“@Rivals: HOOPS: Initial 2016 Rankings are here! Meet 35 of the nation's best sophomores: http://ow.ly/oZcx6 (http://ow.ly/oZcx6) FULL RANKS: http://ow.ly/oZcGG (http://ow.ly/oZcGG)”
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“@Iam_RawleAlkins: Got offered from Rutgers today by Eddie Jordan him self at my workout, I truly am blessed, sometimes I think to myself why me ?”
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He just asked on Twitter if he should commit now because he knows where he wants to go.
This should be a fun recruitment.....
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Take your time kid;
“@Iam_RawleAlkins: Should I wait to commit or nah? I already know where I wanna go”
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“@AdamZagoria: Christ the King Star Rawle Alkins Talks Offers http://zagsblog.com/articles/christ-the-king-star-rawle-alkins-talks-offers/ (http://zagsblog.com/articles/christ-the-king-star-rawle-alkins-talks-offers/) @Iam_RawleAlkins”
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Surprised we have not offered, but obviously he is only 16 kid. Noting DelaRosa reference to "getting in shape",
I wish his comment was that he is in shape.
"Adonis is getting in shape and runs the floor well now. He also has added more moves to his arsenal."
Full blog;
@GiveNGobball: ICYMI: Rawle Alkins writes his first player blog for GNGB. http://t.co/E0NH9J6M4w (http://t.co/E0NH9J6M4w)
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@AdamZagoria: Rawle Alkins is No. 47 in Scout 2016 rankings http://t.co/2pk0FSq3K6 (http://t.co/2pk0FSq3K6)
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SJU not listed? Maybe OK since Rawle barely made it into the top 50.
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SJU not listed? Maybe OK since Rawle barely made it into the top 50.
So now we are in a position to thumb our noses at top 50 players? I guess I didn't get the memo! ???
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He's 16 and a sophomore.. Plenty of time to decide if he will fit or not.
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Today at Fordham;
@AdamZagoria: Cincinnati is 2 deep here with @CoachCroninUC & Darren Savino for 2016 CTK G @Iam_RawleAlkins
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Not sure if this has been said here but the announcers on MSG Varsity said that although hes academically a Soph he only has 1 year of HS eligibility left after this season. Not sure what the story is there
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Hope Lavs liked what he saw.
@NYPost_Brazille 2m
Admittedly don't watch a lot of HS hoops anymore, but I find it hard to believe there is a better defensive player in city than Rawle Alkins
@AdamZagoria 4m
Very impressive performance by 2016 G @Iam_RawleAlkins with Cincinnati, St. John's and Seton Hall here. 24 pts on 8-for-16, 4 rebs, 4 blks
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Not sure if this has been said here but the announcers on MSG Varsity said that although hes academically a Soph he only has 1 year of HS eligibility left after this season. Not sure what the story is there
In Florida, before transferring to CTK, he was an eighth grader put on varsity I believe. Thus, he already has three years of varsity play.
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Not sure if this has been said here but the announcers on MSG Varsity said that although hes academically a Soph he only has 1 year of HS eligibility left after this season. Not sure what the story is there
I've heard rumblings he's 18. Can anyone confirm or deny?
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Not sure if this has been said here but the announcers on MSG Varsity said that although hes academically a Soph he only has 1 year of HS eligibility left after this season. Not sure what the story is there
In Florida, before transferring to CTK, he was an eighth grader put on varsity I believe. Thus, he already has three years of varsity play.
So what can/will he do after next season when he has no HS eligibility left but will still have to put in a year academically before going to college?
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Not sure if this has been said here but the announcers on MSG Varsity said that although hes academically a Soph he only has 1 year of HS eligibility left after this season. Not sure what the story is there
I've heard rumblings he's 18. Can anyone confirm or deny?
Looks older for sure than 16 noted by announcers
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Not sure if this has been said here but the announcers on MSG Varsity said that although hes academically a Soph he only has 1 year of HS eligibility left after this season. Not sure what the story is there
In Florida, before transferring to CTK, he was an eighth grader put on varsity I believe. Thus, he already has three years of varsity play.
So what can/will he do after next season when he has no HS eligibility left but will still have to put in a year academically before going to college?
Lenny Cooke was an example of someone who ran out of HS eligibility because of age.
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I have an idea. How about one year of prep school at Rise. :)
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Not sure if this has been said here but the announcers on MSG Varsity said that although hes academically a Soph he only has 1 year of HS eligibility left after this season. Not sure what the story is there
I've heard rumblings he's 18. Can anyone confirm or deny?
Looks older for sure than 16 noted by announcers
Definitely remember stories from last year saying he was 17.
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http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/rankings/rank-3375/2016 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/basketballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/rankings/rank-3375/2016)
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CHRIST THE KING IS NOT IN BROOKLYN.
Sorry. I really like him though.
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@Iam_RawleAlkins: Just got off the phone with Oliver and Orlando Antingua, Dallas blessed me with a offer from USF #Blessed
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Indiana is the latest school to offer Rawle Alkins, arguably the best rising junior in the New York metropolitan area.
An extremely strong, bouncy and athletic guard, Alkins also holds offers from South Florida, George Washington, Minnesota, Villanova, Cincinnati, Seton Hall, Rutgers and Fordham.
http://zagsblog.com/articles/alkins-adds-indiana-offer-n-c-state-kansas-reach-out/ (http://zagsblog.com/articles/alkins-adds-indiana-offer-n-c-state-kansas-reach-out/)
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He will transfer, prep at some BS basketball factory and then when he finishes the basketball factory will get credit for producing another Div I recruit and people will say NYC is no longer producing top tier talent...
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Indiana is the latest school to offer Rawle Alkins, arguably the best rising junior in the New York metropolitan area.
An extremely strong, bouncy and athletic guard, Alkins also holds offers from South Florida, George Washington, Minnesota, Villanova, Cincinnati, Seton Hall, Rutgers and Fordham.
http://zagsblog.com/articles/alkins-adds-indiana-offer-n-c-state-kansas-reach-out/ (http://zagsblog.com/articles/alkins-adds-indiana-offer-n-c-state-kansas-reach-out/)
Admittedly only saw CTK play in the championship game (on TV) but thought he was their best player...don't understand why we haven't offered
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don't understand why we haven't offered
I agree.
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Considering that Chiles has been monitoring CTK games for the past 2-3 years, I'm sure some interest has been established. 2015 has to be the priority, recruiting tactics?
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Nova is in good shape with Alkins, but we'll see.
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http://zagsblog.com/recruiting/cincinnati-villanova-among-those-making-early-push-for-2016-guard-rawle-alkins/ (http://zagsblog.com/recruiting/cincinnati-villanova-among-those-making-early-push-for-2016-guard-rawle-alkins/)
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Received Louisville offer today.
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http://zagsblog.com/articles/kansas-the-latest-to-offer-2016-guard-rawle-alkins/ (http://zagsblog.com/articles/kansas-the-latest-to-offer-2016-guard-rawle-alkins/)
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Iam_RawleAlkins/status/517797158033305600
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Iam_RawleAlkins/status/517797158033305600
gotta be a reason why we don't appear to be chasing this kid...looked liked the best player on CTK
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Iam_RawleAlkins/status/517797158033305600
gotta be a reason why we don't appear to be chasing this kid...looked liked the best player on CTK
Seems like an ideal Nova type of player.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Iam_RawleAlkins/status/517797158033305600
gotta be a reason why we don't appear to be chasing this kid...looked liked the best player on CTK
pure speculation, but from his recent twitter outburst, it appeas that Arbitello is not Lavin's biggest fan. Could be a factor.
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The kid is also older than his class. So when you watch him take that into account when he's bulldozing kids. Pretty sure this year is the last he can play in CHSAA
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Iam_RawleAlkins/status/517797158033305600
gotta be a reason why we don't appear to be chasing this kid...looked liked the best player on CTK
pure speculation, but from his recent twitter outburst, it appeas that Arbitello is not Lavin's biggest fan. Could be a factor.
I saw this, as a CK and SJU alum it makes me sad. I wonder what happened, last year when they were recruiting Adonis Arbs was saying how college basketball is always better when SJU is good.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Iam_RawleAlkins/status/517797158033305600
gotta be a reason why we don't appear to be chasing this kid...looked liked the best player on CTK
pure speculation, but from his recent twitter outburst, it appeas that Arbitello is not Lavin's biggest fan. Could be a factor.
I saw this, as a CK and SJU alum it makes me sad. I wonder what happened, last year when they were recruiting Adonis Arbs was saying how college basketball is always better when SJU is good.
What did it say, I am on Twitter but rarely use it...
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Iam_RawleAlkins/status/517797158033305600
gotta be a reason why we don't appear to be chasing this kid...looked liked the best player on CTK
pure speculation, but from his recent twitter outburst, it appeas that Arbitello is not Lavin's biggest fan. Could be a factor.
I saw this, as a CK and SJU alum it makes me sad. I wonder what happened, last year when they were recruiting Adonis Arbs was saying how college basketball is always better when SJU is good.
What did it say, I am on Twitter but rarely use it...
Joseph Staszewski @CNG_Staszewski Oct 22
Steve Lavin only @BIGEAST coach not in a suit and tie today. Players also in a Johhnies' sweat suits. #BEmediaday
Joe Arbitello @ctkcoachjarbs
@CNG_Staszewski @BIGEAST no surprise him and his staff have no respect for NYC. #theylie
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Iam_RawleAlkins/status/517797158033305600
gotta be a reason why we don't appear to be chasing this kid...looked liked the best player on CTK
pure speculation, but from his recent twitter outburst, it appeas that Arbitello is not Lavin's biggest fan. Could be a factor.
I saw this, as a CK and SJU alum it makes me sad. I wonder what happened, last year when they were recruiting Adonis Arbs was saying how college basketball is always better when SJU is good.
What did it say, I am on Twitter but rarely use it...
Joseph Staszewski @CNG_Staszewski Oct 22
Steve Lavin only @BIGEAST coach not in a suit and tie today. Players also in a Johhnies' sweat suits. #BEmediaday
Joe Arbitello @ctkcoachjarbs
@CNG_Staszewski @BIGEAST no surprise him and his staff have no respect for NYC. #theylie
Wow! They sound like a couple of catty school girls. I wonder what Lavin did to piss them off?
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http://zagsblog.com/recruiting/kentucky-staying-involved-with-rawle-alkins/
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https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/545230551964450816 (https://mobile.twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/545230551964450816)
Just saw this from zags twitter. Are we out of the running already because the coach? Anyone know anything about this kids recruitment and if St. John's is still involved?
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Related to Alkins and future recruits from the school, does anyone know if this is true:
@APerezBX @AdamZagoria who was local coach that angled to get a relative on St John's bench but was turned down by Lavin?
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Related to Alkins and future recruits from the school, does anyone know if this is true: @APerezBX @AdamZagoria who was local coach that angled to get a relative on St John's bench but was turned down by Lavin?
Is that guy insinuating Arbitello is sabotaging Delarosa because he chose St. John's? That would be #$%^ed.
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Related to Alkins and future recruits from the school, does anyone know if this is true: @APerezBX @AdamZagoria who was local coach that angled to get a relative on St John's bench but was turned down by Lavin?
Is that guy insinuating Arbitello is sabotaging Delarosa because he chose St. John's? That would be #$%^ed.
No, he is talking about Tiny. Perhaps he is insinuating that Tiny ratted on ADR, but he's definitely referring to Tiny get rebuffed by Lavin in the Whitehead sweepstakes.
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The biggest mistake most coaches make is chasing recruits they have no chance of getting. Lav makes it pretty clear when he has interest or doesn't.
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Related to Alkins and future recruits from the school, does anyone know if this is true: @APerezBX @AdamZagoria who was local coach that angled to get a relative on St John's bench but was turned down by Lavin?
Is that guy insinuating Arbitello is sabotaging Delarosa because he chose St. John's? That would be #$%^ed.
No, he is talking about Tiny. Perhaps he is insinuating that Tiny ratted on ADR, but he's definitely referring to Tiny get rebuffed by Lavin in the Whitehead sweepstakes.
That is not what he is implying. It has nothing to do with Morton.
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Marillac he is referring to the CTK coach, who blasted Lavin on Twitter and who (some) have speculated is the guy that caused problems for ADR. I have no idea if that particular rumor is true, or genesis of the problems between the two is Lav's refusal to hire a family member of the CTK coach. Was curious if others can provide insight on the veracity of that.
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Related to Alkins and future recruits from the school, does anyone know if this is true: @APerezBX @AdamZagoria who was local coach that angled to get a relative on St John's bench but was turned down by Lavin?
Is that guy insinuating Arbitello is sabotaging Delarosa because he chose St. John's? That would be #$%^ed.
No, he is talking about Tiny. Perhaps he is insinuating that Tiny ratted on ADR, but he's definitely referring to Tiny get rebuffed by Lavin in the Whitehead sweepstakes.
That is not what he is implying. It has nothing to do with Morton.
Please explain to me how a guy asking "who was local coach that angled to get a relative on St. John's bench but was turned down by Lavin?" has nothing to do with Morton.
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Arbitello tried to get a relative of his to walk-on at SJU. Lavin turned him down,
Arbitello ran his mouth on twitter, ratted on ADR, and now CTK is dead to SJUBB.
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Wow. Crazy story. Good for Lavin for turning this jerkoff down.
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Arbitello tried to get a relative of his to walk-on at SJU. Lavin turned him down, Arbitello ran his mouth on twitter, ratted on ADR, and now CTK is dead to SJUBB.
That is correct on Arbitello's desire. I don't know that CTK is dead to SJU however. Everything cools down in time. But Marillac will create another option. Please.
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Arbitello tried to get a relative of his to walk-on at SJU. Lavin turned him down, Arbitello ran his mouth on twitter, ratted on ADR, and now CTK is dead to SJUBB.
That is correct. But Marillac will create another option. Please.
I am aware of the Arbitello rumors. This guys asks who is the third party responsible for ratting on ADR and says "I guess we'll never know." He then asks in a separate tweet who the local coach that angled to get someone on SJU bench. Perhaps you know the guy who sent the tweet and have better context, but to me it appears like he is asking a genuine question.
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Arbitello tried to get a relative of his to walk-on at SJU. Lavin turned him down, Arbitello ran his mouth on twitter, ratted on ADR, and now CTK is dead to SJUBB.
That is correct. But Marillac will create another option. Please.
I am aware of the Arbitello rumors. This guys asks who is the third party responsible for ratting on ADR and says "I guess we'll never know." He then asks in a separate tweet who the local coach that angled to get someone on SJU bench. Perhaps you know the guy who sent the tweet and have better context, but to me it appears like he is asking a genuine question.
I have better context than you from people I respect. Move on please. This is ancient history anyhow.
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Arbitello tried to get a relative of his to walk-on at SJU. Lavin turned him down, Arbitello ran his mouth on twitter, ratted on ADR, and now CTK is dead to SJUBB.
That is correct. But Marillac will create another option. Please.
I am aware of the Arbitello rumors. This guys asks who is the third party responsible for ratting on ADR and says "I guess we'll never know." He then asks in a separate tweet who the local coach that angled to get someone on SJU bench. Perhaps you know the guy who sent the tweet and have better context, but to me it appears like he is asking a genuine question.
If the first name listed is the guy who tweeted that then he is pretty tied into whats going on.
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Alkins is a JR this year but I'm pretty sure he's not eligible to play HS hoops again next year so he won't be at CTK. If Arbs really does hate SJU and would try to steer his kids elsewhere then we'd still have a shot at Alkins if we put the full court press on him after he leaves CTK.
Regardless of the relationship between Lavin and Arbs, it would be silly to not go after a top player that goes to high school 10 minutes from campus
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i REALLY wish we had the full court press on this kid.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNFceploaSg
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Unfortunately we fell back into a zone.
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Why press a kid who shows no interest back?
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Why press a kid who shows no interest back?
Bingo
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Why press a kid who shows no interest back?
Maybe they will be all over him when he is in prep school next season because he will not be at CTK… kid should have left after last season to make sure his academics were on track...
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Article in the Daily News today about Alkins. He may not be eligible to play at CTK next year because he played a few games with the varsity team as an 8th grader. Would have to transfer out of NY.
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Article in the Daily News today about Alkins. He may not be eligible to play at CTK next year because he played a few games with the varsity team as an 8th grader. Would have to transfer out of NY.
He will not be eligible to play in NYC next year because of his age.
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Article in the Daily News today about Alkins. He may not be eligible to play at CTK next year because he played a few games with the varsity team as an 8th grader. Would have to transfer out of NY.
He will not be eligible to play in NYC next year because of his age.
It's been known for a while he won't be able to play his senior year at CK.
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Was told new #sjubb coach would be given great opportunity to get involved with top city players Rawle Alkins of Christ the King. - Zach B
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Was told new #sjubb coach would be given great opportunity to get involved with top city players Rawle Alkins of Christ the King. - Zach B
Right around the time that Zach quoted an anonymous local coach saying that any coach SJU hires will be an improvement from day one over Lavin.
Arbitello is a clown.
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Was told new #sjubb coach would be given great opportunity to get involved with top city players Rawle Alkins of Christ the King. - Zach B
Right around the time that Zach quoted an anonymous local coach saying that any coach SJU hires will be an improvement from day one over Lavin.
Arbitello is a clown.
zach is cool. but i felt like he's always had something against Lavin. what good does that quote do? adds nothing.
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Was told new #sjubb coach would be given great opportunity to get involved with top city players Rawle Alkins of Christ the King. - Zach B
Right around the time that Zach quoted an anonymous local coach saying that any coach SJU hires will be an improvement from day one over Lavin.
Arbitello is a clown.
zach is cool. but i felt like he's always had something against Lavin. what good does that quote do? adds nothing.
You noticed a tone in his tweets. He seems to be piling on. He has been a bit of an embarrassment lately. He should be better.
Then tweets about how Lavin is texting fans back calling that "Classy." That inoculates him from being accused of being one-sided.
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Was told new #sjubb coach would be given great opportunity to get involved with top city players Rawle Alkins of Christ the King. - Zach B
Right around the time that Zach quoted an anonymous local coach saying that any coach SJU hires will be an improvement from day one over Lavin.
Arbitello is a clown.
zach is cool. but i felt like he's always had something against Lavin. what good does that quote do? adds nothing.
You noticed a tone in his tweets. He seems to be piling on. He has been a bit of an embarrassment lately. He should be better.
Then tweets about how Lavin is texting fans back calling that "Classy." That inoculates him from being accused of being one-sided.
My thoughts exactly. Zach has been a big embarrassment over the last month or so. I've supported him for quite some time until he kicked the nonsense into overdrive. The shots as Lavin is out the door are just uncalled for an a compliment here and there doesn't make it any less bush league. THE DAY Lavin is let go he runs to Arbitello for negative quotes. Classless.
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Was told new #sjubb coach would be given great opportunity to get involved with top city players Rawle Alkins of Christ the King. - Zach B
Right around the time that Zach quoted an anonymous local coach saying that any coach SJU hires will be an improvement from day one over Lavin.
Arbitello is a clown.
zach is cool. but i felt like he's always had something against Lavin. what good does that quote do? adds nothing.
You noticed a tone in his tweets. He seems to be piling on. He has been a bit of an embarrassment lately. He should be better.
Then tweets about how Lavin is texting fans back calling that "Classy." That inoculates him from being accused of being one-sided.
#exactly
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And not to further pile on zach, but his angle has been a bit sloppy since the beginning of the season. He was clearly bothered by not being given the access to players that he thought he should get. Seemed to enjoy broiling Lavin more than others.
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So who was feeding all the info from Lavins side?
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So who was feeding all the info from Lavins side?
I can tell you for sure, 100%, it was not Lavin that gave him the info about "being deep in discussion on a 3 year extension."
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But let's keep this on Alkins.
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Was told new #sjubb coach would be given great opportunity to get involved with top city players Rawle Alkins of Christ the King. - Zach B
Do they mean the same opportunity they gave Norm?
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So who was feeding all the info from Lavins side?
I can tell you for sure, 100%, it was not Lavin that gave him the info about "being deep in discussion on a 3 year extension."
I have a good idea who it was. Burned a lot of people. But yes, for another thread. Plus I'm sick of talking about former coaches
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It's kind of funny because high school coach acting like he has anything to do with his recruitment. A lot of bruised egos involved here from media to high school coaches. Really petty.
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I tried to tell you guys a few months ago that Zach is a terrible 'journalist' because of the crap he pulled a few years ago with the holy cross coach. Seems people are starting to catch up.
Anyway, does anybody have any idea where Alkins is going to play next year?
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CTK beat Luhi last night 50-44.
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I went to CK when Arbs was just a history teacher. Couldn't stand the dude. I love supporting CK basketball but it's rough with this guy.
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Going to look smooth in the red and white
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Going to look smooth in the red and white
stop it dude. don't give me false hope.
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Going to look smooth in the red and white
stop it dude. don't give me false hope.
Haha. Plenty of hope now
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I'd be surprised if he became a target.
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Going to look smooth in the red and white
stop it dude. don't give me false hope.
Haha. Plenty of hope now
Until Arbitello begins requesting that Mullin have dinner with him once a month in return for "sending players his way." :2funny:
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Chris Mullin reached out to Christ the King coach @ctkcoachjarbs yesterday & Arbitello said @Iam_RawleAlkins would love to hear from Mullin.
As per Zags
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Chris Mullin reached out to Christ the King coach @ctkcoachjarbs yesterday & Arbitello said @Iam_RawleAlkins would love to hear from Mullin.
As per Zags
Arbitello probably wet his pants.
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Regardless, good local player who we should be in the mix to land. Arent these top 30 NY kids the ones we want to stay here and build with?
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You recruit the kid hard, if you lose him then you at least tried and move on to the next.
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You recruit the kid hard, if you lose him then you at least tried and move on to the next.
From what I understand he is a BIG academic question mark.
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You recruit the kid hard, if you lose him then you at least tried and move on to the next.
From what I understand he is a BIG academic question mark.
BIG = non-qualifier 99% sure, or needs to shore up things and has 1 year, 3 months to do so?
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Chris Mullin reached out to Christ the King coach @ctkcoachjarbs yesterday & Arbitello said @Iam_RawleAlkins would love to hear from Mullin.
As per Zags
Whatever the issues are with Arbitello, clearly its not to much for other programs who has had more success than we have this past decade to put up with. Go get him coach!
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Chris Mullin reached out to Christ the King coach @ctkcoachjarbs yesterday & Arbitello said @Iam_RawleAlkins would love to hear from Mullin.
As per Zags
Whatever the issues are with Arbitello, clearly its not to much for other programs who has had more success than we have this past decade to put up with. Go get him coach!
It sounded more like he didn't like Lavin. So, that already puts one at a far greater disadvantage than others.
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Chris Mullin reached out to Christ the King coach @ctkcoachjarbs yesterday & Arbitello said @Iam_RawleAlkins would love to hear from Mullin.
As per Zags
Whatever the issues are with Arbitello, clearly its not to much for other programs who has had more success than we have this past decade to put up with. Go get him coach!
It sounded more like he didn't like Lavin. So, that already puts one at a far greater disadvantage than others.
so what happens when Arbs asks for a walkon spot again, does he get pissed off at us again?
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Chris Mullin reached out to Christ the King coach @ctkcoachjarbs yesterday & Arbitello said @Iam_RawleAlkins would love to hear from Mullin.
As per Zags
Whatever the issues are with Arbitello, clearly its not to much for other programs who has had more success than we have this past decade to put up with. Go get him coach!
It sounded more like he didn't like Lavin. So, that already puts one at a far greater disadvantage than others.
so what happens when Arbs asks for a walkon spot again, does he get pissed off at us again?
Here's a crazy thought. Instead of giving walk on spots to kids from CA and GA you give them to local kids in exchange for future goodwill. And instead of scheduling pre conference games against crappy schools from Northern CA because your daddy grew up there you schedule local schools and give local kids get a chance to get their heads kicked in by a storied local program, also for future good will.
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Adam Zagoria @AdamZagoria
Chris Mullin called 2016 CTK G @Iam_RawleAlkins today and offered him a scholarship, @ctkcoachjarbs tells @SNYtv
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@Iam_RawleAlkins: Finally got that St.Johns Offer I've been wanting !
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Gotta say I never really looked at him because it never looked like we would get him. He is wayy more skilled than I thought he'd be.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xai0SLh9bZg
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he can shoot too.
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I said a week ago he will look smooth in red and white
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Lets see where he ends up next year.
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Lets see where he ends up next year.
He should play in nepsac for a year. I always liked nepsac groomed players. Other options are getting an early commit and steering him somewhere that would continue to build goodwill... 😉
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@Iam_RawleAlkins: Finally got that St.Johns Offer I've been wanting !
this is pretty funny. i doubt he makes this type of comment if zach doesn't write the stories last week. sounds like a kid riding the media attention.
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@Iam_RawleAlkins: Finally got that St.Johns Offer I've been wanting !
this is pretty funny. i doubt he makes this type of comment if zach doesn't write the stories last week. sounds like a kid riding the media attention.
Why assume the negative about a kid you know nothing about? Perhaps he's a city kid through and through and wants to stay home. We'll find out.
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Would love to see NY kid Alkins verbal here soon. That would be a huge statement
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Would love to see NY kid Alkins verbal here soon. That would be a huge statement
First Brandon, then Alkins would be the 1-2 punch to jump start recruiting
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@Iam_RawleAlkins: Finally got that St.Johns Offer I've been wanting !
this is pretty funny. i doubt he makes this type of comment if zach doesn't write the stories last week. sounds like a kid riding the media attention.
Why assume the negative about a kid you know nothing about? Perhaps he's a city kid through and through and wants to stay home. We'll find out.
why do you assume i'm being negative?
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Would love to see NY kid Alkins verbal here soon. That would be a huge statement
Nice statement but won't matter much unless he gets his grades in order (from what others have said).
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Didn't see anyone post it... so here:
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/mullin-offers-scholarship-top-nyc-recruit-rawle-alkins-article-1.2170637
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How good is this kid. Was talking to someone yesterday, who I respect their opinion, and they said he was decent but by no means a star.. Basically said borderline BE talent.... Any truth to that?
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How good is this kid. Was talking to someone yesterday, who I respect their opinion, and they said he was decent but by no means a star.. Basically said borderline BE talent.... Any truth to that?
If you watch the video from above, what I like about it is that it's not a highlight video of 90% dunks. It's mixed with a lot of him shooting the rock from not only behind the three, but inside the three point line with some fade away jumpers.
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How good is this kid. Was talking to someone yesterday, who I respect their opinion, and they said he was decent but by no means a star.. Basically said borderline BE talent.... Any truth to that?
If you watch the video from above, what I like about it is that it's not a highlight video of 90% dunks. It's mixed with a lot of him shooting the rock from not only behind the three, but inside the three point line with some fade away jumpers.
I have seen him twice, including the Big Strick, which that video features. Small sample size but he seems out of control at times and thought he looked a little out of shape last summer. Definitely talented but he did not stand out among other McD AA types. Reminded me of Lance Stephenson a little.
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The kid's got an NBA body already for a 2 guard. Very well built and looks explosive. Would be a great get to re-open the city pipeline again.
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How good is this kid. Was talking to someone yesterday, who I respect their opinion, and they said he was decent but by no means a star.. Basically said borderline BE talent.... Any truth to that?
If you watch the video from above, what I like about it is that it's not a highlight video of 90% dunks. It's mixed with a lot of him shooting the rock from not only behind the three, but inside the three point line with some fade away jumpers.
I have seen him twice, including the Big Strick, which that video features. Small sample size but he seems out of control at times and thought he looked a little out of shape last summer. Definitely talented but he did not stand out among other McD AA types. Reminded me of Lance Stephenson a little.
That was my thought. He reminds me of Lance. Big and strong for his age. He looks a bit off balance on his jumpers. Always fading away. He may have to work on that.
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Crazy quick release though
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Crazy quick release though
Ugly though.
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Crazy quick release though
Ugly though.
He flips it... shoots it too low, almost from the waist
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What are the chances to coach modification in his shot?
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What are the chances to coach modification in his shot?
If anyone is going teach him, it might as well be by one the greatest shooters of all time.
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What are the chances to coach modification in his shot?
If anyone is going teach him, it might as well be by one the greatest shooters of all time.
Better start now, I don't want to wait until Soph year perfecting it - lol
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Crazy quick release though
Ugly though.
He flips it... shoots it too low, almost from the waist
It should look the exact same every time. His looks different. He needs to get the puppies set and body straight and leaning forward a bit instead of falling away. The other stuff will follow. Release is way too low and angled. No doubt Mullin can remedy it. I like him as a recruit, but I think he's more of a 50-75 caliber kid than his current ranking. I like Green a little more.
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Crazy quick release though
Ugly though.
He flips it... shoots it too low, almost from the waist
It should look the exact same every time. His looks different. He needs to get the puppies set and body straight and leaning forward a bit instead of falling away. The other stuff will follow. Release is way too low and angled. No doubt Mullin can remedy it. I like him as a recruit, but I think he's more of a 50-75 caliber kid than his current ranking. I like Green a little more.
Any Raf reference is cool with me, but could you imagine if this kid was in the 'best shape in the country' like Mullin mentioned, how good or even great he could be. I didnt expect his shot to be good anyway. What I am impressed about is his ball control and fee for the game.
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Crazy quick release though
Ugly though.
He flips it... shoots it too low, almost from the waist
It should look the exact same every time. His looks different. He needs to get the puppies set and body straight and leaning forward a bit instead of falling away. The other stuff will follow. Release is way too low and angled. No doubt Mullin can remedy it. I like him as a recruit, but I think he's more of a 50-75 caliber kid than his current ranking. I like Green a little more.
Chris has a lot on his plate, why don't we just let you work with him?
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He's already better than half of last year's back court.
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I like his size for a 2 guard, and he's probably still growing. Keep this kid home!
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@CNG_Staszewski: Rawle Alkins is very close to his family and especially his mom. Being around them would be a big incentive to stay home. #sjubb
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@CNG_Staszewski: Rawle Alkins is very close to his family and especially his mom. Being around them would be a big incentive to stay home. #sjubb
Yet his mom sent him to Florida in 8th grade...
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Video looks like he's got "old man's "game...
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Alkins has to be a priority
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Alkins has to be a priority
Top NY priority for '16
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Alkins has to be a priority
Just hope he qualifies
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Adam Grosbard
Rivals.com Basketball Recruiting
Alkins intrigued by St. John's hire
Four-star shooting guard Rawle Alkins was another recruit who attracted a number of coaches on Friday night; the staffs of North Carolina, North Carolina State, Cincinnati, Indiana and Rutgers all watched Alkins and the NY Rens take on Indiana Elite.
But Alkins is expecting another head coach to watch him later this weekend: New St. John's coach Chris Mullin.
"He has pro connects, NBA connects," Alkins said about the hire. "I don't know if he's a good coach but he was a great player. He probably can transform that into coaching."
Alkins had an off day against Indiana Elite. His jumper was falling but the Christ The King (N.Y.) shooting guard did not move well on offense without the ball in his hand, often settling along the perimeter waiting for the ball to find its way back to him. Alkins' energy on defense was low in the first half but it picked up in the second as he and the Rens attempted a comeback. At one point, Alkins flew in to block a layup attempt, nearly hitting his head on the backboard in the process.
In addition to the schools in attendance, Alkins is starting to attract new interest from Duke, Kentucky and Louisville, he told Rivals.com, so expect to hear more from him in the near future.
This kid sounds like he's genuinely interested in SJU since Mullin took over. The Johnnies are going to be competing with the big boys on this one.
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@CourtsideFilms: New Video: Rawle Alkins Mixtape @ Adidas Gauntlet (Dallas)
http://t.co/jCMWJg61M4
@Iam_RawleAlkins http://t.co/PYXlqJaa4r
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Lets hope he ends up at South Kent and not Brewster
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Are we still recruiting him?
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Are we still recruiting him?
Go to "Recruiting - 2016" ;D
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@EvanDaniels: Rawle Alkins talks his improvement, St. John's + the schools prioritizing him | Watch: http://t.co/DeehXqDTql http://t.co/AdfiIIBPOZ
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@EvanDaniels: Rawle Alkins talks his improvement, St. John's + the schools prioritizing him | Watch: http://t.co/DeehXqDTql http://t.co/AdfiIIBPOZ
Seems like a well spoken mature kid.
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Seems like a tease especially when coupled with his tweet about how much he wanted an offer from us.
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The fact that the old staff ignored this kid is mind boggling to me. But then, a lot of what Lavin did/didn't do was mind boggling.
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The fact that the old staff ignored this kid is mind boggling to me. But then, a lot of what Lavin did/didn't do was mind boggling.
It had more to do with CTK's coach issues with Lavin.
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The fact that the old staff ignored this kid is mind boggling to me. But then, a lot of what Lavin did/didn't do was mind boggling.
It had more to do with CTK's coach issues with Lavin.
Thats not true. The issues with the coach didnt happen when Lavin first took the job. The issues only happened this past 12 months.
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The fact that the old staff ignored this kid is mind boggling to me. But then, a lot of what Lavin did/didn't do was mind boggling.
It had more to do with CTK's coach issues with Lavin.
Thats not true. The issues with the coach didnt happen when Lavin first took the job. The issues only happened this past 12 months.
I, initially remembered hearing the staff had offered him, and then you didn't hear about us being mentioned with him any longer. That is when it seemed the issues had surfaced.
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@AdamZagoria
2016 G @Iam_RawleAlkins just told us he's hearing from Duke, Kentucky, Louisville, Texas & Auburn
Big boys
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Thought this kid had some grade issues? Not the kind of kid Duke usually goes after
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Thought this kid had some grade issues? Not the kind of kid Duke usually goes after
Coach K overlooks grades occasionally and looks at character, family, winning mentality and program etc. (for example, Sean Dockery). So yes it's rare but not totally unheard of. That said I have no idea what Rawle's situation is.
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@AdamZagoria: With Big Boys Involved, St. John’s Has Ground to Make Up in Rawle Alkins Recruitment http://t.co/NRdYSeERWH @Iam_RawleAlkins @ctkcoachjarbs
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Thought this kid had some grade issues? Not the kind of kid Duke usually goes after
Coach K overlooks grades occasionally and looks at character, family, winning mentality and program etc. (for example, Sean Dockery). So yes it's rare but not totally unheard of. That said I have no idea what Rawle's situation is.
My student who knows him told me that he is at-least 19 and still a junior. I imagine his grades are not good.
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It's one thing when 1 coach come see you even better when you have 2 but 3 😳, Nice meeting today with St.Johns 🔴⚪️🔴⚪️ pic.twitter.com/ssah06YAEb
Rawle tweet
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It's one thing when 1 coach come see you even better when you have 2 but 3 😳, Nice meeting today with St.Johns 🔴⚪️🔴⚪️ pic.twitter.com/ssah06YAEb
Rawle tweet
https://twitter.com/Iam_RawleAlkins/status/589183214129905664
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It's one thing when 1 coach come see you even better when you have 2 but 3 😳, Nice meeting today with St.Johns 🔴⚪️🔴⚪️ pic.twitter.com/ssah06YAEb
Rawle tweet
https://twitter.com/Iam_RawleAlkins/status/589183214129905664
That's what I like to see. Consistency and persistence. Alkins/Heron...the goal.
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What is Matt 5'2"?
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What is Matt 5'2"?
I was just saying, Matt is short as heck. I know Mullin is about 6'7", but Matt is probably about 5'5".
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Alkins and Heron would be a massive force at the SG/SF spots. Git er dun!
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Slice loves those pinstripes
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Are we still recruiting him?
Is this Tony who used to post on the IRJ?
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@NYPost_Brazille: So #sjubb meets with NYC's top player Rawle Alkins today will have in-homes with top recruits Cheick Diallo, Brandon Sampson tomorrow. Busy
Early, but work ethic & persistence of this staff is more than impressive thus far.
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Amazing...fun to watch process. ...and enjoy the results.
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What is Matt 5'2"?
I was just saying, Matt is short as heck. I know Mullin is about 6'7", but Matt is probably about 5'5".
I've never seen a big bulldog
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Just had a flash back to when Joe Lapchick (The Big Indian) and Lou Carnesseca roamed the sidelines. Very similar size comparison................. 8)
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Someone get a picture of Lou and Matt together!
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Someone get a picture of Lou and Matt together!
https://twitter.com/mabde33/status/583295277647454208
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Thank you Lou as a giant
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Thank you Lou as a giant
Matt must be 5'4" or 5'5"
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Impressive work so far. We will be a major player for Rawle.
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@NYPost_Brazille: VCU has offered Christ the King star Rawle Alkins, per @ctkcoachjarbs. New assistant Rasheen Davis will go after area's best.
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What is Matt 5'2"?
I was just saying, Matt is short as heck. I know Mullin is about 6'7", but Matt is probably about 5'5".
I've never seen a big bulldog
(http://www.nippertown.com/zeblog/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/arnoff-building.jpg)
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@EvanDaniels: Rawle Alkins talks his improvement, St. John's + the schools prioritizing him | Watch: http://t.co/DeehXqDTql http://t.co/AdfiIIBPOZ
Seems like a well spoken mature kid.
Arbitello (his coach) wanted to pad his ego so they offered him. Complained that SJU doesn't recruit the top NYC players. But the truth is the SJU coaches can't waste their time. Time is precious during the season, and the top NYC players don't want to stay home. Atkins tweeted "finally got that st. John's offer I've been wanting" And then he doesn't even mention us on camera. Sound' s like a real douche. Why would you say that publicly and then not mention us on camera. So Arbitello; Mullin will come to your gym to pad your ego. Don't worry Joey, he will kiss your butt. Maybe even take on another ADLR or Khadim Ndiaye. You've just helped us so much. The top players don't want to stay here, so that's why the coaches can't afford to waste their time in your gym. Time is precious during the season. You have to prepare for the games.
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@EvanDaniels: Rawle Alkins talks his improvement, St. John's + the schools prioritizing him | Watch: http://t.co/DeehXqDTql http://t.co/AdfiIIBPOZ
Seems like a well spoken mature kid.
Arbitello (his coach) wanted to pad his ego so they offered him. Complained that SJU doesn't recruit the top NYC players. But the truth is the SJU coaches can't waste their time. Time is precious during the season, and the top NYC players don't want to stay home. Atkins tweeted "finally got that st. John's offer I've been wanting" And then he doesn't even mention us on camera. Sound' s like a real douche. Why would you say that publicly and then not mention us on camera. So Arbitello; Mullin will come to your gym to pad your ego. Don't worry Joey, he will kiss your butt. Maybe even take on another ADLR or Khadim Ndiaye. You've just helped us so much. The top players don't want to stay here, so that's why the coaches can't afford to waste their time in your gym. Time is precious during the season. You have to prepare for the games.
I have been hearing these things regarding CTK the last few days, what happened ?
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I have the same feeling about Rawlee
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.......and his coach.
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@EvanDaniels: Rawle Alkins talks his improvement, St. John's + the schools prioritizing him | Watch: http://t.co/DeehXqDTql http://t.co/AdfiIIBPOZ
Seems like a well spoken mature kid.
Arbitello (his coach) wanted to pad his ego so they offered him.
In many ways, I agree with you there.
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It's one thing when 1 coach come see you even better when you have 2 but 3 😳, Nice meeting today with St.Johns 🔴⚪️🔴⚪️ pic.twitter.com/ssah06YAEb
Rawle tweet
Rawlee getting in touch with his feminine side.
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So you guys are chasing this kid out of town already. Fckn amazing
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So you guys are chasing this kid out of town already. Fckn amazing
Agree with Baldi here. It seems pretty genuine that the kid himself wants SJU to be interested and is interested in possibly staying home to plzy. Arbitello is a different story all together. I can't comment because I don't know him, but the mutual interest between Alkins and SJU seems genuine.
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People complain about how we haven't kept the top NYC kids home and then baselessly bash the head coach of the a top flight HS program that is located 10 minutes from campus. Makes sense
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yeah, why are we insulting this kid? Seems like he would be a nice fit/get. Stop reading so much into twitter bullshit..
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So you guys are chasing this kid out of town already. Fckn amazing
+1
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It's one thing when 1 coach come see you even better when you have 2 but 3 😳, Nice meeting today with St.Johns 🔴⚪️🔴⚪️ pic.twitter.com/ssah06YAEb
Rawle tweet
Rawlee getting in touch with his feminine side.
As an aside, why did LeBron get into trouble with his reputation? He was acting like a high school kid, with "The Decision". He wanted to have that "being recruited by colleges feeling". It doesn't work in the grown up world. He wanted to announce on camera like the high schoolers do. Pro fans and people in Ohio didn't go for it. Pro sports are much too big for that sort of thing.
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baselessly bash the head coach of the a top flight HS program that is located 10 minutes from campus. Makes sense
I guess you forgot about his Twitter rants.
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How close are Alkins and Heron? Wonder if we can get a commitment from Heron, if that would positively impact Alkins wanting to stay home?
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So you guys are chasing this kid out of town already. Fckn amazing
Agree with Baldi here. It seems pretty genuine that the kid himself wants SJU to be interested and is interested in possibly staying home to plzy. Arbitello is a different story all together. I can't comment because I don't know him, but the mutual interest between Alkins and SJU seems genuine.
Seems genuine? He tweets that he finally got that St. John's offer that he wanted, and then he purposely fails to mention us on camera after Zags? said he mentioned us off camera. Sounds real genuine.
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So you guys are chasing this kid out of town already. Fckn amazing
Agree with Baldi here. It seems pretty genuine that the kid himself wants SJU to be interested and is interested in possibly staying home to plzy. Arbitello is a different story all together. I can't comment because I don't know him, but the mutual interest between Alkins and SJU seems genuine.
Seems genuine? He tweets that he finally got that St. John's offer that he wanted, and then he purposely fails to mention us on camera after Zags? said he mentioned us off camera. Sounds real genuine.
Could just be an ADD moment for all I know. I'm leaving all options open until they close unless I witness something directly. Teenagers change their minds 10 times a day.
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So you guys are chasing this kid out of town already. Fckn amazing
Agree with Baldi here. It seems pretty genuine that the kid himself wants SJU to be interested and is interested in possibly staying home to plzy. Arbitello is a different story all together. I can't comment because I don't know him, but the mutual interest between Alkins and SJU seems genuine.
Seems genuine? He tweets that he finally got that St. John's offer that he wanted, and then he purposely fails to mention us on camera after Zags? said he mentioned us off camera. Sounds real genuine.
You seem to assume and take a lot of things as facts that seem just like your opinion. " Purposely failed to mention us"... LSU boosters paid Sampson..
Comes of bitter , man.
Kid is one of the top players coming out of NYC next year. Whatever happened btw his coach and Lavin's staff is over an done with. Fresh start for everyone. We would be lucky to nab this kid. ..
For the most part, getting on HS kids is kind of frowned upon. Unless you are one yourself? I have no idea.. Then it would make more sense, I guess.
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@AdamZagoria: Auburn coach Bruce Pearl will visit 2016 G @Iam_RawleAlkins on Wednesday, per source. Alkins added a VCU offer today.
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where is this kid going to be playing next year..?
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where is this kid going to be playing next year..?
at a D1 school? ;D
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Schools like brewster and kent D1 now? lol they probably could be some years with all the talent they bring in
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Schools like brewster and kent D1 now? lol they probably could be some years with all the talent they bring in
probably. By all accounts, he's ready right now for D1. We could use him next year
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i could be wrong but i thought PMG was referring to where he will be playing basketball this upcoming year (whihc should be his senior year) because he may not be able to play at CTK? again could be wrong but thats why i made the prep school d1 comment
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i could be wrong but i thought PMG was referring to where he will be playing basketball this upcoming year (whihc should be his senior year) because he may not be able to play at CTK? again could be wrong but thats why i made the prep school d1 comment
He will not be playing at CTK next year as of now.
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could we get him to pull a Derryck Thorton
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@GiveNGobball: Rawle's Report (@Iam_RawleAlkins): The Latest; Talks about his HS & AAU Season & Recruitment. http://t.co/iLn7S96wF9 http://t.co/SKTL2RjxyK
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If he ends up at Brewster we aint getting him LOL
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If he ends up at Brewster we aint getting him LOL
Two things.
1. Staff is different now
2. I think Brewster is a UA school now.
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If he ends up at Brewster we aint getting him LOL
Two things.
1. Staff is different now
2. I think Brewster is a UA school now.
That is true hopefully this staff can do a netter job with Smith
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If he ends up at Brewster we aint getting him LOL
Two things.
1. Staff is different now
2. I think Brewster is a UA school now.
That is true hopefully this staff can do a netter job with Smith
Landing Durand Johnson would be a good start.
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Spoke to someone who works at CTK who knows Rawle. Supposedly Rawle wants SJU and wants to stay in NY. Let's see if this comes true
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Spoke to someone who works at CTK who knows Rawle. Supposedly Rawle wants SJU and wants to stay in NY. Let's see if this comes true
He can be the next pied piper lol
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Spoke to someone who works at CTK who knows Rawle. Supposedly Rawle wants SJU and wants to stay in NY. Let's see if this comes true
He can be the next pied piper lol
with our fights in the locker room we don't need a pied piper we need roddy peiper
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Diallo will be lol
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Spoke to someone who works at CTK who knows Rawle. Supposedly Rawle wants SJU and wants to stay in NY. Let's see if this comes true
He can be the next pied piper lol
with our fights in the locker room we don't need a pied piper we need roddy peiper
All of our NY kids were involved in the fight. Maybe we should look elsewhere.
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@jerrymeyer247: Seven schools recruiting Rawle Alkins the hardest via @BLUEChip_Miller & @247Sports http://t.co/YdBlIgwAry
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Retweeted by Alkins
Thomas Bryant was here to watch Rawle Alkins and told him "We can take IU by storm." #iubb
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Per Zags (by way of Matt Jessen-Howard).....
Scholarships have come in bunches for the consensus four-star prospect. Alkins holds offers from Cincinnati, Florida, Florida State, Indiana, Kansas, Louisville, Maryland, Miami (FL), Minnesota, N.C. State, Rutgers, Seton Hall, South Florida, St. John’s, and Villanova. Coaches from
Cincinnati, Florida, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisville, Miami, Minnesota, Rutgers, and St. John’s attended his Saturday morning game against Team Loaded Virginia.
Perhaps his most talked about offer in the last week has been the offer that St. John’s head coach Chris Mullin extended. Mullin, a member of the Naismith Hall of Fame, has generated a lot of buzz throughout the East Coast. His staff is full of coaches with New York City connections, including Barry “Slice” Rohrssen, who developed a close relationship with Alkins during his time as a Kentucky assistant.
http://zagsblog.com/recruiting/rawle-alkins-says-st-johns-is-working-hard-to-land-him/
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http://www.insidethehall.com/2015/04/27/rawle-alkins-a-priority-for-indiana-in-class-of-2016/
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@AdamZagoria: 2016 G @Iam_RawleAlkins added offers today from Georgetown & Wake Forest.
Better late than never.
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This kid enjoys playing the recruiting game...and playing our staff.
Lavin knew better than to offer.
I don't care that Mullin still has keys to all the local gyms...and neither does Alkins.
I hope our recruiting net is coast to coast...including Europe.
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http://www.insidethehall.com/2015/04/27/rawle-alkins-a-priority-for-indiana-in-class-of-2016/ (http://www.insidethehall.com/2015/04/27/rawle-alkins-a-priority-for-indiana-in-class-of-2016/)
In the mind of every recruit - “I want to be able to say, when it’s all said and done, I could have went there too, when everyone talks about their recruitment,” Alkins said. “Any school.”
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This kid enjoys playing the recruiting game...and playing our staff.
Lavin knew better than to offer.
I don't care that Mullin still has keys to all the local gyms...and neither does Alkins.
I hope our recruiting net is coast to coast...including Europe.
Yeah it always makes sense to not even offer a scholarship to a 5 star player 10 minutes from campus. Get real
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The anti-Rawle people on this board boggle my mind. Who cares that he MIGHT be playing us and that he forgot to say SJU in an interview. It doesn't hurt one bit to recruit this kid. We are already recruiting Heron so whenever the staff goes to see him in AAU they can see Rawle too. Plus, even though he won't be playing at CTK next year and still might not come here, recruiting him builds good will among CTK and the CHSAA.
Everybody cheered and roared when Mullin said he was going to make NYC a priority. Now people want him to forget about a 5 star kid in the same borough as our school. Yeah, that makes sense
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http://www.msgvarsity.com/2015-all-metro-boys-basketball-special-player-and-coach-of-the-year-1.1699671
We have to land this kid. He's a NYC guy through and through. He looked like he was going to tear up when he spoke about leaving for his senior year.
What an amazing interview. Great kid.
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http://www.msgvarsity.com/2015-all-metro-boys-basketball-special-player-and-coach-of-the-year-1.1699671
We have to land this kid. He's a NYC guy through and through. He looked like he was going to tear up when he spoke about leaving for his senior year.
What an amazing interview. Great kid.
I don't understand the people on this board that are against this kid for some reason. He seems like a genuinely nice kid.
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http://www.msgvarsity.com/2015-all-metro-boys-basketball-special-player-and-coach-of-the-year-1.1699671
We have to land this kid. He's a NYC guy through and through. He looked like he was going to tear up when he spoke about leaving for his senior year.
What an amazing interview. Great kid.
I don't understand the people on this board that are against this kid for some reason. He seems like a genuinely nice kid.
I wasn't exactly for him because I was foolish enough to judge him (or anyone for that matter) without knowing anything about his character or personality. The last dozen manchild type guys in the area that I've witnessed have been boneheads one way or another. I don't want to name names here.
I just assumed he was the type of kid that dominated mostly because he was older and more physically advanced. Now, I'm convinced he's the kind of kid that will be smart enough to be successful playing in games where he's not head and shoulders above everyone else physically.
That was one of the best interviews I've seen a high school kid give.
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I don't think anyone here is down on him as a player. Moreso worried that he may go elsewhere.
It's all part of the game. Kid is doing what he should. Open up the most choices possible.
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I'd be surprised if he came to St. John's. Better chance with Heron
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I'd be surprised if he came to St. John's. Better chance with Heron
better chance with shamorie
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The anti-Rawle people on this board boggle my mind. Who cares that he MIGHT be playing us and that he forgot to say SJU in an interview. It doesn't hurt one bit to recruit this kid. We are already recruiting Heron so whenever the staff goes to see him in AAU they can see Rawle too. Plus, even though he won't be playing at CTK next year and still might not come here, recruiting him builds good will among CTK and the CHSAA.
Everybody cheered and roared when Mullin said he was going to make NYC a priority. Now people want him to forget about a 5 star kid in the same borough as our school. Yeah, that makes sense
I'm not anti-Rawle. I'm lobbying for a wider net. Norm Roberts got played by the local kids...and you see where that got us.
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@AdamZagoria: 2016 G @Iam_RawleAlkins added offers today from Georgetown & Wake Forest.
Better late than never.
How is this late? This is an eternity away from playing college ball.
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Zags thinks he discovered the kid
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I like the combo of Shamorie and Heron. I think we can land both. we should definitely recruit all of those guys, but I'd grab the guys we have more likelihood of landing.
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I like the combo of Shamorie and Heron. I think we can land both. we should definitely recruit all of those guys, but I'd grab the guys we have more likelihood of landing.
Agree. We will land Heron & then take next solid player available.No more waiting until last minute unless we have luxury to do so.
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I like the combo of Shamorie and Heron. I think we can land both. we should definitely recruit all of those guys, but I'd grab the guys we have more likelihood of landing.
Agree. We will land Heron & then take next solid player available.No more waiting until last minute unless we have luxury to do so.
But he's 10 minutes from campus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Recruit the kid, along with recruiting about 15 others for the 2016 class. If he doesn't want to come then move on. We have a lot of ships to give for 2016 and I am sure we will have a wide net of possibilities.
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Recruit the kid, along with recruiting about 15 others for the 2016 class. If he doesn't want to come then move on. We have a lot of ships to give for 2016 and I am sure we will have a wide net of possibilities.
I'd always hold a ship for the spring just in case.
No issues there. But if we already fill out those positions prior, sorry. Can't afford to wait.
I'm looking forward to having my class wrapped up in November as opposed to the mad rush scramble we have become accustomed to under Lavin.
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Recruit the kid, along with recruiting about 15 others for the 2016 class. If he doesn't want to come then move on. We have a lot of ships to give for 2016 and I am sure we will have a wide net of possibilities.
I'd always hold a ship for the spring just in case.
No issues there. But if we already fill out those positions prior, sorry. Can't afford to wait.
I'm looking forward to having my class wrapped up in November as opposed to the mad rush scramble we have become accustomed to under Lavin.
I agree I assume Mullin will not use all the 2016 ships anyway, needs to balance the class. I would expect 4 recruits for 2016
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I thought Shamorie already said he wants to leave the state. And so far everyone Mullin staff brought in is not from NY state and I am good with that. We all want the best team available.
PoI'd be surprised if he came to St. John's. Better chance with Heron
better chance with shamorie
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Is this the Durand Johnson thread?
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@GiveNGobball: Rawle Alkins, a class of 2016 SG playing for the NY Rens (NY), just picked up an offer from Texas.
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Kentucky offers Top247 5-star Rawle Alkins & Wildcats are picking up #Crystalball picks. http://t.co/QnjKaT0USw @ChrisFisher247 @kryan247
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Pangos
per Rivals.com:
Speaking of strength and athleticism, 2016's No. 26 player Rawle Alkins had way too much of it for anybody trying to guard him. The 6-foot-4, 210 pounder got to the rim at will and threw down one dunk after another. He might have taken a jumper or two but it didn't seem like he ever had to finish from outside of two feet of the rim.
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Alkins & Heron playing in Italy on USA team this weekend. Scroll down for roster;
@sportando: adidas EUROCAMP Announces 2015 Player Roster http://t.co/egOmzH1GKR http://t.co/CAVC6Vtvy8
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@trigonis30: @PangosAACamp co-MOP @Iam_RawleAlkins had a team high 22 pts today to lead adidas Team USA U18 squad to 76-71 win over France in Italy
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@NYPost_Brazille: Andy Borman, AAU coach for Rawle Alkins and Mustapha Heron, on #sjubb recruiting efforts fur duo: "They're doing everything right."
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"Though the USA Select team got contributions from a number of players, it was New York's Rawle Alkins who had the strongest showing today, as he poured in 18 points in 25 minutes while going 7/8 from the floor. A powerfully built 6'4 shooting guard with terrific athleticism hailing from Christ the King Regional HS in New York, Alkins showed why he's one of the top scorers in the adidas Gauntlet where he averages 24.3 points per game for the NY Rens. Possessing terrific strength for a 16 year old, Alkins did an impressive job creating opportunities for himself by being aggressive attacking the basket. Converting a number of very athletic finishes to go along with a couple of makes from beyond the arc, his efficient scoring was a big reason the US Select Team was able to get the best of an older, more experienced French squad.
On top of his scoring, Alkins came up with a number of rebounds (5), along with a handful of assists, and did a nice job defensively. Using his quickness to pressure the ball and contesting a number of shots effectively with his leaping ability, Alkins stood out today, despite being the youngest player on the floor and one of the youngest players in the entire camp."
From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com/#ixzz3cJRu45dD
http://www.draftexpress.com
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You can never have enough physical, athletic, driving guards. Heron or Alkins would be great gets for SJU, both would be a beastly combo.
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@franfraschilla: Just watched Rawle Atkins again. Could be as good a defender as I've seen in this high school class. And, scoring is a given.
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@franfraschilla: Just watched Rawle Atkins again. Could be as good a defender as I've seen in this high school class. And, scoring is a given.
But we should pass, right?
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Why is USA having so much trouble with these teams?
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Nobody gonna pass on this kid. It's fine to be skeptical as to whether he's really gonna end up here. None of us really knows, but he's still worth pressing for, as long as we have options and no holes on the roster that are gaping. I doubt you'll see this staff leave holes like that.
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Why is USA having so much trouble with these teams?
Just destroyed Greece by 42 and pulled upset by 11 in previous game.
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@nbadraftnet: Rawle Alkins is in that Lance Stephenson, freakish strength / ATH / natural defender mold. Better maturity though
@nbadraftnet: 6-5 wing Rawle Alkins is a player on the rise. Just drained a 3. Has been great every game. #adidasEurocamp
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I will reitterate , this needs to be our guy
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I will reitterate , this needs to be our guy
Wow - a mature Lance (HS era)
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It's official Rawle is leaving CTK not really a shocker:
https://twitter.com/Iam_RawleAlkins
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I will reitterate , this needs to be our guy
I really like this kid too, but there are great alternatives: Heron, Ponds, Ahmed, Brown, and Rowan (this year). Can't get them all and Heron and Rowan seem very likely. Would he be willing to come aboard with Rowan, Heron, and Ellison already in place?
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I will reitterate , this needs to be our guy
I really like this kid too, but there are great alternatives: Heron, Ponds, Ahmed, Brown, and Rowan (this year). Can't get them all and Heron and Rowan seem very likely. Would he be willing to come aboard with Rowan, Heron, and Ellison already in place?
I'm not sure why people suggest alkins and heron can't play together.......they already do and it's worked out very well for both of them. I agree with you marillac that it could be Be a little crowded but I don't think rawle is the type to be scared off by comp. maybe rowan, heron and alkins could be on the floor at the same time with heron handling the ball. I don't think Ellison will keep a top prospect like alkins away, no offense to him. All that said alkins recruitment is going to be an absolute circus but mullin seems like he wants to be one of the ring leaders making him a priority, so everybody get your Tylenol ready. Will be interesting to see where he goes to prep.
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I will reitterate , this needs to be our guy
I really like this kid too, but there are great alternatives: Heron, Ponds, Ahmed, Brown, and Rowan (this year). Can't get them all and Heron and Rowan seem very likely. Would he be willing to come aboard with Rowan, Heron, and Ellison already in place?
I'm not sure why people suggest alkins and heron can't play together.......they already do and it's worked out very well for both of them. I agree with you marillac that it could be Be a little crowded but I don't think rawle is the type to be scared off by comp. maybe rowan, heron and alkins could be on the floor at the same time with heron handling the ball. I don't think Ellison will keep a top prospect like alkins away, no offense to him. All that said alkins recruitment is going to be an absolute circus but mullin seems like he wants to be one of the ring leaders making him a priority, so everybody get your Tylenol ready. Will be interesting to see where he goes to prep.
I'm not suggesting the two can't play together. In fact, I would be extremely happy if we landed both. At this point, though, we have to take the first to commit. I think that will be Rowan and then Heron. All of a sudden the wings become pretty crowded, and we would still be targeting Brown, Ponds, and Ahmed in addition to Alkins. I just wonder how attractive we would remain to Alkins with top top 30 players at the wing positions with a top 100 kid with a year of experience as well. Alkins doesn't seem like the kind of kid that would be turned off by a little competition. I'd love to see a trio Heron, Rowan, and Alkins here. Rowan is big enough to start as a PF with some added strength and those two monsters playing the two and three.
I think Ellison is best suited for being a key reserve that backs up the two, three, and even PG as a point-forward type.
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Hearing our old friend Jason Smith at Brewster could be in play here.
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This is just a matter of opinion, choose your angle:
http://nypost.com/2015/07/03/why-departure-of-a-nyc-hs-star-has-st-johns-worried/
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Hearing our old friend Jason Smith at Brewster could be in play here.
He's been on him for months and Brewster would clearly be the Vegas front-runner here, but I think there are better fits for a smart kid like Rawle.
It wouldn't be a bad sign to see him end up at a monster academic school like Phillips Exeter if St. Jean were to land as our DOBO.
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@Justin_Albers: Rawle Alkins put on a show in front of Tom Crean. He had 24 points, 10 rebounds and 6 assists. The NY RENs are in the title game. #iubb
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@Justin_Albers: Rawle Alkins put on a show in front of Tom Crean. He had 24 points, 10 rebounds and 6 assists. The NY RENs are in the title game. #iubb
Atlanta and Augusta, SC are not that far apart. My guess is Coach Mullin left the Jam this afternoon and made his way to Atlanta to watch Rawle and Heron as Slice and Matt stayed to watch Rowan and Yakwe.
I believe Crean did the same as he was in Atlanta earlier this afternoon.
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@Justin_Albers: Rawle Alkins put on a show in front of Tom Crean. He had 24 points, 10 rebounds and 6 assists. The NY RENs are in the title game. #iubb
Atlanta and Augusta, SC are not that far apart. My guess is Coach Mullin left the Jam this afternoon and made his way to Atlanta to watch Rawle and Heron as Slice and Matt stayed to watch Rowan and Yakwe.
I believe Crean did the same as he was in Atlanta earlier this afternoon.
Crean did the same, as you mentioned.
It's about an hour and a half to two hours from Atlanta to Augusta.
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@AdamZagoria: My man @Iam_RawleAlkins went for 34 points in the final. Yeah, he's pretty good.
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@AdamZagoria: My man @Iam_RawleAlkins went for 34 points in the final. Yeah, he's pretty good.
Does Zagoria still think he discovered this kid?
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@AdamZagoria: My man @Iam_RawleAlkins went for 34 points in the final. Yeah, he's pretty good.
Does Zagoria still think he discovered this kid?
I hope not. There's only 1 Otto Porter every 10 years or so now.
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Sent out a tweet yesterday asking who wants to see him and Heron play together in college.
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Sent out a tweet yesterday asking who wants to see him and Heron play together in college.
Me, if it is at SJU!
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@marcum89: Rawle Alkins attending Big Blue Madness #SEC #BBN http://t.co/id5k3gK2Bq http://t.co/v2WYC9CHtg
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@CNG_Staszewski: Alkins said St. John’s pitch to him is to "be the King of New York." #sjubb
@NYPost_Brazille: Source close to Rawle Alkins says Indiana and St. John's are the most active, followed closely by Kentucky. #sjubb #bbn
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@CNG_Staszewski: Alkins said St. John’s pitch to him is to "be the King of New York." #sjubb
@NYPost_Brazille: Source close to Rawle Alkins says Indiana and St. John's are the most active, followed closely by Kentucky. #sjubb #bbn
I know I probably shouldn't but I think we have a good shot with Rawle. Especially if heron comes here. This kid seems to want to be THE star not a star. Think coach can sell him on that here...may know something about it from past experience...
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Adam Zagoria @AdamZagoria · 30 minutes ago Brookville, NY
So @Iam_RawleAlkins has no list till spring 2016 but at this point it's trending toward Kentucky, St. John's & Indiana being 3 of the group.
Adam Zagoria @AdamZagoria ·30 minutes ago Brookville, NY
Sound familiar St. John's fans?
Adam Zagoria @AdamZagoria · 4 minutes ago Brookville, NY
Having said that about Rawle & SJU/UK/IU one difference is that Slice is now at SJU. He is now standing under the basket watching Heron.
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http://nypost.com/2015/07/15/the-strategy-st-johns-is-using-to-keep-top-recruit-rawle-alkins-in-nyc/
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If we can land Heron, it could be the difference maker. So could Rowan. Heron could be a big draw for Alkins to stay here. Alkins could play the PG spot here, with Heron at the 2 and a guy like Rowan at the 3. Not saying that is gonna happen, but lading one of them could certainly help a ton landing the other(s). Definitely no harm in the staff going hard after Alkins. We need to get the Heron thing done. It can start the ball rolling where we are no longer in total rebuild mode, but rather landing big fish.
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If we can land Heron, it could be the difference maker. So could Rowan. Heron could be a big draw for Alkins to stay here. Alkins could play the PG spot here, with Heron at the 2 and a guy like Rowan at the 3. Not saying that is gonna happen, but lading one of them could certainly help a ton landing the other(s). Definitely no harm in the staff going hard after Alkins. We need to get the Heron thing done. It can start the ball rolling where we are no longer in total rebuild mode, but rather landing big fish.
We will land Heron IMO. If Ahmed is willing to commit early, I would gladly take him even if it meant no Alkins. Get the "bird in hand" , establish some immediate momentum & flesh out 16 class with Ponds, Yakwe, etc. That is of course assuming Yakwe does not reclassify for 15. :)
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If we can land Heron, it could be the difference maker. So could Rowan. Heron could be a big draw for Alkins to stay here. Alkins could play the PG spot here, with Heron at the 2 and a guy like Rowan at the 3. Not saying that is gonna happen, but lading one of them could certainly help a ton landing the other(s). Definitely no harm in the staff going hard after Alkins. We need to get the Heron thing done. It can start the ball rolling where we are no longer in total rebuild mode, but rather landing big fish.
We will land Heron IMO. If Ahmed is willing to commit early, I would gladly take him even if it meant no Alkins. Get the "bird in hand" , establish some immediate momentum & flesh out 16 class with Ponds, Yakwe, etc. That is of course assuming Yakwe does not reclassify for 15. :)
I'm just as good with that scenario. I don't need it to be Alkins. Just think a kid like that would give us some good exposure both within NYC and national recruiting circles. I know it's the hype machine but it could help springboard us a bit. I'd be just as good grabbing a Ponds. Alkins though carries some weight. He will easily be a McD'd player.
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If we can land Heron, it could be the difference maker. So could Rowan. Heron could be a big draw for Alkins to stay here. Alkins could play the PG spot here, with Heron at the 2 and a guy like Rowan at the 3. Not saying that is gonna happen, but lading one of them could certainly help a ton landing the other(s). Definitely no harm in the staff going hard after Alkins. We need to get the Heron thing done. It can start the ball rolling where we are no longer in total rebuild mode, but rather landing big fish.
We will land Heron IMO. If Ahmed is willing to commit early, I would gladly take him even if it meant no Alkins. Get the "bird in hand" , establish some immediate momentum & flesh out 16 class with Ponds, Yakwe, etc. That is of course assuming Yakwe does not reclassify for 15. :)
I'm just as good with that scenario. I don't need it to be Alkins. Just think a kid like that would give us some good exposure both within NYC and national recruiting circles. I know it's the hype machine but it could help springboard us a bit. I'd be just as good grabbing a Ponds. Alkins though carries some weight. He will easily be a McD'd player.
No argument there MCN.
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If we can land Heron, it could be the difference maker. So could Rowan. Heron could be a big draw for Alkins to stay here. Alkins could play the PG spot here, with Heron at the 2 and a guy like Rowan at the 3. Not saying that is gonna happen, but lading one of them could certainly help a ton landing the other(s). Definitely no harm in the staff going hard after Alkins. We need to get the Heron thing done. It can start the ball rolling where we are no longer in total rebuild mode, but rather landing big fish.
We will land Heron IMO. If Ahmed is willing to commit early, I would gladly take him even if it meant no Alkins. Get the "bird in hand" , establish some immediate momentum & flesh out 16 class with Ponds, Yakwe, etc. That is of course assuming Yakwe does not reclassify for 15. :)
I think the good thing with a player like Alkins is that he won't be scared off by anyone we add in 2016. He is versatile enough to play just about anywhere on the floor. If he waits until spring, it's a pretty good bet that Kentucky will already be filled up.
It seems like Cal has changed up his recruiting strategy a bit, as he'll have several guys that will be around 2-4 years. Ulis from last year at point, and Murray, Matthews, and Mulder (Juco) at SG this recruiting class.
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If we can land Heron, it could be the difference maker. So could Rowan. Heron could be a big draw for Alkins to stay here. Alkins could play the PG spot here, with Heron at the 2 and a guy like Rowan at the 3. Not saying that is gonna happen, but lading one of them could certainly help a ton landing the other(s). Definitely no harm in the staff going hard after Alkins. We need to get the Heron thing done. It can start the ball rolling where we are no longer in total rebuild mode, but rather landing big fish.
We will land Heron IMO. If Ahmed is willing to commit early, I would gladly take him even if it meant no Alkins. Get the "bird in hand" , establish some immediate momentum & flesh out 16 class with Ponds, Yakwe, etc. That is of course assuming Yakwe does not reclassify for 15. :)
I think the good thing with a player like Alkins is that he won't be scared off by anyone we add in 2016. He is versatile enough to play just about anywhere on the floor. If he waits until spring, it's a pretty good bet that Kentucky will already be filled up.
It seems like Cal has changed up his recruiting strategy a bit, as he'll have several guys that will be around 2-4 years. Ulis from last year at point, and Murray, Matthews, and Mulder (Juco) at SG this recruiting class.
Not only will Alkins not be scared off, the more talent we have, the better we will project to be, the more competitive practices will be, etc. IMO it could be advantageous to us that Rawle declares late as he will be given the benefit of seeing exactly what's in the cupboard.
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Herron is as good as done....My guess is Ahmid is SJU or Rutgers but hearing SJU....Alkins not going to Indiana.
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Herron is as good as done....My guess is Ahmid is SJU or Rutgers but hearing SJU....Alkins not going to Indiana.
A lot of size and versatility in that group...all three could easily play on the floor together.
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Herron is as good as done....My guess is Ahmid is SJU or Rutgers but hearing SJU....Alkins not going to Indiana.
A lot of size and versatility in that group...all three could easily play on the floor together.
Heron, Alkins and Ahmed would be a dream scenario. I'm intrigued by Bashir. That would also most likely mean that we lost out on Rowan which would be fine in that case obviously. Mussini and Lovett at the point and 1-3 spots are locked up and stacked and we can focus on the big men.
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I was at the camp today. Heron looked good. Hard to tell in that type of setting but he runs the floor well, got a solid handle in traffic and drives to the hoop at will. Missed several free throws but that can be easily improved.
I was talking to Zag outside about Alkins and he just said that it's going to be a battle now that Calipari is involved. Cal was there along with a who's who of the biggest name coaches in the country.
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All of the comments in here make it seem to me like he wants to leave NYC for college..
http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/st-johns-basketball-recruiting/2015/7/23/9013339/rawle-alkins-recruitment-king-of-new-york
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I didnt realize winning three city public school championships made you the king of anything. seems like humility could be an issue from some possible out of context quotes
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@GiveNGobball: Rawle Alkins, a class of 2016 SG playing for the NY Rens (NY), tells me he just picked up an offer from Alabama.
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@Iam_RawleAlkins: Now that Live period is officially over, its time for me to cut down my list.. Will have a Top 10 REAL soon
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@AdamZagoria: 2016 G @Iam_RawleAlkins says he'll have a Top 10 "REAL soon." Will be shocked if UK, Indiana and St. John's aren't among the list.
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Maybe it's just me, but these players and their handlers who relish the attention of their recruiters annoy the hell out of me. For some reason Alkins annoys me more then anyone. He said he wanted an offer from SJU and then he talks about I'm already the king of NY so I don't need them, and they are far behind right now. Things like that. He's being interviewed and he does not mention that we are one of the schools who are recruiting him.Then he complains how SJU did not recruit him. It annoys me. Is he trying to pick a school or is he just relishing the process to pad his ego. If he was a young girl I could understand it. But he's not.
I don't want to hear how SJU does not recruit the city because traditionally the top city players go elsewhere. Mullin was an anomaly. Ironically they got Mark because Kenny and Pearl wanted to go away and Mark was playing third fiddle in the city. But then he turned out to be the best in the group. But the top players don't stay home. Additionally, recruiting has totally changed so they have to look elsewhere. If they don't land Heron, Ponds, or Alkins, they will HAVE to have a national focus because of the way summer hoops has revolutionized hoops recruiting. It has made it easier for schools across the country (the blue bloods) to recruit NYC kids. (The prep school phenomenon too, which has boosted UCONN in the Calhoun era) These factors are really what is behind this recent blue blood era. I don't want to hear anymore how we don't recruit local kids, because these kids want to go away to school. We have dorms now, no more stipends. We can't get them.
The point is this: Don't complain about not being recruited hard enough by certain schools. Coaches have to spend their time judiciously, because it is limited. If you want to pad your ego by being recruited by a school that you won't go to anyway, you are hurting these coaches and their programs by wasting their time. That annoys me. Control your ego. "Finally picked up that offer that I've been wanting from St. John's" ---Rawle Alkins
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Iam_RawleAlkins/status/627603569982599169/photo/1
And there is his top 10.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Iam_RawleAlkins/status/627603569982599169/photo/1
And there is his top 10.
Says no particular order but it appears the true heavyweights are on top.
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@ChrisFisher247: Rawle Alkins (26 points) named MVP of Adidas Nations title game after leading Team Rose to a 113-93 win over Team Wall.
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Alkins 1 and done type talent?
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Alkins 1 and done type talent?
Talent wise I think he is 1 and done but I'm not quite sure he has the height. I think he's listed at 6'4 but he looks a little short to me. The way he's improved his shot is real impressive though. He's lethal from outside now.
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Alkins 1 and done type talent?
Talent wise I think he is 1 and done but I'm not quite sure he has the height. I think he's listed at 6'4 but he looks a little short to me. The way he's improved his shot is real impressive though. He's lethal from outside now.
So he should stay in school until he gets taller? ;) :)
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He could be a 1 and done but I'll be interested to see how his power game translates at the college level. He's stronger than most HS kids so he can drive to the hoop and overpower now and does a lot of his damage that way. His height isn't an issue as he's a true 6'4. Has a shot at leaving college after 1 year but don't believe he's a lock.
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He could be a 1 and done but I'll be interested to see how his power game translates at the college level. He's stronger than most HS kids so he can drive to the hoop and overpower now and does a lot of his damage that way. His height isn't an issue as he's a true 6'4. Has a shot at leaving college after 1 year but don't believe he's a lock.
I believe he is also older then most HS seniors so that helps him. Don't think one and done though.
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Adam Zagoria
@AdamZagoria
Arizona is the latest on the @Iam_RawleAlkins Bandwagon with an offer.
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Like I've been sayings lol along , got to get this kid on board
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As I and others have stated, Yakwe, Ponds & Ahmed early would be a great start. I agree that Alkins will probably go away, but if something happens in his recruitment late, we would be playing with house money. To me after nailing down the first three commitments noted, the next most important thing is to put ourselves in great position for solid 17 class.
These early commitments are so welcome & help avoid desperation.
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As I and others have stated, Yakwe, Ponds & Ahmed early would be a great start. I agree that Alkins will probably go away, but if something happens in his recruitment late, we would be playing with house money. To me after nailing down the first three commitments noted, the next most important thing is to put ourselves in great position for solid 17 class.
These early commitments are so welcome & help avoid desperation.
completely agree. as long as each year we add at least 2 new recruits that provide production in their first year, our future is bright.
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i disagree. If we get the 2 recruits Paultzman mentioned, we will have a good team w depth. And players providing production their first year wont be necessary. They would have to be very good players to get time over the players we have, assuming we get Ponds and Ahmed. That said, a blue chip recruit is always welcome, provided their heads are on straight. I think in the future were going to start getting some.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/TheRecruitScoop/status/641288212065947649
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is this good or bad for our chances? do we have a relationship with this school?
maybe after a year away, he may want to come back home.
2016 Christ the King (NY) SG Rawle Alkins will attend Word of God (NC) for his senior year. First reported by @ebosshoops.
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is this good or bad for our chances? do we have a relationship with this school?
maybe after a year away, he may want to come back home.
2016 Christ the King (NY) SG Rawle Alkins will attend Word of God (NC) for his senior year. First reported by @ebosshoops.
From what I hear around the AAU circuit is that he won't be coming here but who knows what happens.
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Word of God's most famous alumni is of course John Wall - Kentucky (Cal).
But other top players went to NC State (CJ Leslie), Dez Wells (maryland) and Bishop Daniels (miami).
Seems like a ACC/SEC choice to move down there but who knows. .
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@jeffborzello: Five-star wing Rawle Alkins tells ESPN he is taking an unofficial visit to St. John's today.
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@jeffborzello: Five-star wing Rawle Alkins tells ESPN he is taking an unofficial visit to St. John's today.
Think about us while your gone
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https://mobile.twitter.com/Iam_RawleAlkins/status/641698823102963712
All smiles.
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http://zagsblog.com/articles/on-eve-of-leaving-for-raleigh-rawle-visits-st-johns/#more-139805
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Interesting interview. Impressed with his outlook on picking a school. It could align with our program.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePUqtaLr9SU
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Interesting interview. Impressed with his outlook on picking a school. It could align with our program.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePUqtaLr9SU
Having never met the kid he seems like he has a pretty good head on his shoulders. Seems like he knows what he wants which is good. Seems like a lot of people count us out so that might be the case but man he would be a huge get for us.
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One thing from the picture on Zagsblog... there is no way Alkins is 6'5.. Coach Mullin is 6'6 and he has at least 2 inches on Alkins
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One thing from the picture on Zagsblog... there is no way Alkins is 6'5.. Coach Mullin is 6'6 and he has at least 2 inches on Alkins
I thought coach was 6'7. Rawle is 6'4-6'5
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Mullin is 6'6 and Alkins looks to be about an inch shorter max so he looks like a true 6'5.
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I think that when Mullin entered the NBA they published actual height, I'm not sure if this was available then but I'm sure it was when Lopez entered the NBA because I remember he was reported to be 6-4 and a fraction. and what was considered to be the number pick one had played at Cincinnati who been listed at 6-7 was actual also 6-4 and a fraction
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http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2015/09/11/rawle-alkins-five-star-new-york-city-word-god?xid=si_social
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According to Alkins' Twitter today, Slice was in NC visiting him.
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According to Alkins' Twitter today, Slice was in NC visiting him.
I also noticed 'ole Roy and his assistants visited him, as well. Gregory hasn't had enough time to work on Alkins about the evils of Roy and UNC. :)
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Here's a good pick from slices visit
https://mobile.twitter.com/Iam_RawleAlkins/status/643878165924872192/photo/2
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Here's a good pick from slices visit
https://mobile.twitter.com/Iam_RawleAlkins/status/643878165924872192/photo/2
Gotta love his enthusiasm for Slice.
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I thought we should have passed on this kid
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If we were out of it Slice would not be visiting.Hopefully he will get homesick.
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If we were out of it Slice would not be visiting.Hopefully he will get homesick.
I don't recall anyone ever saying, we wasn't in it. Just that many feel we won't land him.
Not to mention, the staff should continue to work to land Alkins, unless they personally felt they had no chance to bring him in. Otherwise, why should they throw in the towel right now?
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If we were out of it Slice would not be visiting.Hopefully he will get homesick.
I don't recall anyone ever saying, we wasn't in it. Just that many feel we won't land him.
Not to mention, the staff should continue to work to land Alkins, unless they personally felt they had no chance to bring him in. Otherwise, why should they throw in the towel right now?
A couple of weeks ago a red men.com poster said he was told Alkins is not coming here. When I first read it, I thought it had credence. I think we have descent chance, but statistically the odds are against it w all the great schools recruiting him. But, we do have home field advantage.
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It may be a good thing he went away for his last year. Gives him a year to see what he's missing by Leaving New York. Most kids have to sit out a year once they leave if they want to come back making it harder (because their year way is freshman year). Not so here.
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I am hoping that someone has asked Erick Barkley, Omar Cook and Malik Boothe to help with recruiting him to St. John's. Last three CK guards who stood home and went to St. John's.
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NC State now the favorite to land him?
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http://ballislife.com/rawle-alkins-king-of-ny-the-best-scorer-in-the-country-official-ballislife-mixtape/
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I am hoping that someone has asked Erick Barkley, Omar Cook and Malik Boothe to help with recruiting him to St. John's. Last three CK guards who stood home and went to St. John's.
This kid has no interest in going to SJU
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I am hoping that someone has asked Erick Barkley, Omar Cook and Malik Boothe to help with recruiting him to St. John's. Last three CK guards who stood home and went to St. John's.
This kid has no interest in going to SJU
Not true
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I am hoping that someone has asked Erick Barkley, Omar Cook and Malik Boothe to help with recruiting him to St. John's. Last three CK guards who stood home and went to St. John's.
This kid has no interest in going to SJU
Seems strange the staff would continue to pursue if that was the case
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I think it may come down to ; does he want to stay in NY? Lets hope he s very close to his family and they don't want to relocate.
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I am hoping that someone has asked Erick Barkley, Omar Cook and Malik Boothe to help with recruiting him to St. John's. Last three CK guards who stood home and went to St. John's.
This kid has no interest in going to SJU
Seems strange the staff would continue to pursue if that was the case
Strange - think about multiple SJU coaches who pursued multiple players to the bitter end that were not coming... its their job to go after the players.
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I think it may come down to ; does he want to stay in NY? Lets hope he s very close to his family and they don't want to relocate.
This kid already knows about living inside & outside NYC.. if being close to his family were that important, he could have gone to prep schools MUCH closer to home
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I think it may come down to ; does he want to stay in NY? Lets hope he s very close to his family and they don't want to relocate.
This kid already knows about living inside & outside NYC.. if being close to his family were that important, he could have gone to prep schools MUCH closer to home
You make a valid point. Let's hope he gets home sick.
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I am hoping that someone has asked Erick Barkley, Omar Cook and Malik Boothe to help with recruiting him to St. John's. Last three CK guards who stood home and went to St. John's.
This kid has no interest in going to SJU
Seems strange the staff would continue to pursue if that was the case
Strange - think about multiple SJU coaches who pursued multiple players to the bitter end that were not coming... its their job to go after the players.
No. Coaches don't go after players they don't think they have a chance of landing. Instead of they use their resources (time, travel budget) recruiting players they think they could land
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I am hoping that someone has asked Erick Barkley, Omar Cook and Malik Boothe to help with recruiting him to St. John's. Last three CK guards who stood home and went to St. John's.
This kid has no interest in going to SJU
Seems strange the staff would continue to pursue if that was the case
Strange - think about multiple SJU coaches who pursued multiple players to the bitter end that were not coming... its their job to go after the players.
I would like to add, why even bother including St. John's on the final list?
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I am hoping that someone has asked Erick Barkley, Omar Cook and Malik Boothe to help with recruiting him to St. John's. Last three CK guards who stood home and went to St. John's.
This kid has no interest in going to SJU
Seems strange the staff would continue to pursue if that was the case
Strange - think about multiple SJU coaches who pursued multiple players to the bitter end that were not coming... its their job to go after the players.
I would like to add, why even bother including St. John's on the final list?
Players do that fairly often. Remember when Briscoe had Seton Hall and Rutgers in his final seven? I was told by someone close to his recruitment there was no way he was going to either school. The same happened with LJ Peak and South Carolina. I was also told he wasn't going there. But, they were listed in his final two or three.
Leave the local school in the race to keep the local fans intrigued. I'm not saying this is what Alkins is doing, but it does happen often.
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I am hoping that someone has asked Erick Barkley, Omar Cook and Malik Boothe to help with recruiting him to St. John's. Last three CK guards who stood home and went to St. John's.
This kid has no interest in going to SJU
Seems strange the staff would continue to pursue if that was the case
Strange - think about multiple SJU coaches who pursued multiple players to the bitter end that were not coming... its their job to go after the players.
No. Coaches don't go after players they don't think they have a chance of landing. Instead of they use their resources (time, travel budget) recruiting players they think they could land
Yeah they do, just to avoid getting slammed on these boards for not recruiting the studs (that have no interest in coming here). ;)
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Slice has been known to land a blue chip or two. Don't mind him chasing since majority of the team is in place but said it from the start I strongly believe there is no shot.
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@Iam_RawleAlkins: Indiana,Kansas,Kentucky,Louisville,NCState,NorthCarolina,UNLV,St.Johns
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@Iam_RawleAlkins: Indiana,Kansas,Kentucky,Louisville,NCState,NorthCarolina,UNLV,St.Johns
Yay! We in his Top 8
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heavy hitters in there, We score if he wants to stay home for some reason. Cals lure is almost impossible to resist.
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No offense to anyone, but when I see quotes like "if John Doe wants to stay home then he'll be ours," that isn't insightful and rather obvious. It (the local recruit going to St. John's, if he wants to stay home) goes without saying. I'm not directly targeting you, Valgoth, as I've seen that particular quote or something similar from several different posters when we're involved with a local recruit. I just find myself saying, "No 'ish" when I read those type of quotes.
As, far as Alkins.... I'll get intrigued when he narrows it down to three or two schools, and we're still in the hunt.
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@Iam_RawleAlkins: Indiana,Kansas,Kentucky,Louisville,NCState,NorthCarolina,UNLV,St.Johns
Now maybe I am reading a little into it. . but does anyone else find it odd that we are the only school not listed in alphabetical order
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@Iam_RawleAlkins: Indiana,Kansas,Kentucky,Louisville,NCState,NorthCarolina,UNLV,St.Johns
Now maybe I am reading a little into it. . but does anyone else find it odd that we are the only school not listed in alphabetical order
Oh shit I forgot to list SJU. Let just put them here instead of re-ordering :)
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oops i forgot u comes after S...and t
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@Iam_RawleAlkins: Indiana,Kansas,Kentucky,Louisville,NCState,NorthCarolina,UNLV,St.Johns
Now maybe I am reading a little into it. . but does anyone else find it odd that we are the only school not listed in alphabetical order
Oh shit I forgot to list SJU. Let just put them here instead of re-ordering :)
maybe but doubtful in my opinion
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@Iam_RawleAlkins: Indiana,Kansas,Kentucky,Louisville,NCState,NorthCarolina,UNLV,St.Johns
Now maybe I am reading a little into it. . but does anyone else find it odd that we are the only school not listed in alphabetical order
Oh shit I forgot to list SJU. Let just put them here instead of re-ordering :)
maybe but doubtful in my opinion
He's treating SJU the way SJU treated him during the recruiting process: as an afterthought.
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Shamorie mentioned that he was going to text Rawle right away about teaming up and Rawle took to Twitter to congratulate Shamorie. Does this commitment help with landing Rawle at all or is there still slim to no chance?
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Shamorie mentioned that he was going to text Rawle right away about teaming up and Rawle took to Twitter to congratulate Shamorie. Does this commitment help with landing Rawle at all or is there still slim to no chance?
Personally, I don't think Ponds' commitment helps or hurt when it comes to landing Alkins. I, once believed we had a slim to no chance of landing Alkins. But, I believe those chances are little better now. Does that mean I think we'll land Alkins now? No. Just think they are better than slim to none.
Basically put, (IMO) Ponds' commitment doesn't have any bearing on Alkins.
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@Iam_RawleAlkins: Indiana,Kansas,Kentucky,Louisville,NCState,NorthCarolina,UNLV,St.Johns
Now maybe I am reading a little into it. . but does anyone else find it odd that we are the only school not listed in alphabetical order
And then God said, "The first shall be last, and last shall be first."
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Think he is on an unofficial visit to NC State this weekend.
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Today, Zach reported unofficial.
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Uh....
Committed to Buffalo...?
I'm still waiting for the Just kidding tweet to follow his commitment tweet
http://www.aseaofblue.com/2015/10/9/9487715/rawle-alkins-commits-to-buffalo-kentucky-wildcats-and-nc-state
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Rawle Alkins @Iam_RawleAlkins 2m2 minutes ago Raleigh, NC
Sorry guys people at my school was playing with my phone ain't nothing wrong with buffalo great program but no i am not really committed
If its not gonna be us I would've preferred Buffalo over Kentucky or NC State hah
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Uh....
Committed to Buffalo...?
I'm still waiting for the Just kidding tweet to follow his commitment tweet
http://www.aseaofblue.com/2015/10/9/9487715/rawle-alkins-commits-to-buffalo-kentucky-wildcats-and-nc-state
I'm sure most knew he was clownin' around. Too early for April Fools jokes. That one wouldn't have even been a good one.
Evan Daniels
@EvanDaniels
Checked up on Rawle Alkins' tweet. He hasn't committed to Buffalo, a source says. "He's messing with everyone."
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This guy really loves attention
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This guy really loves attention
Seems like the case. That is why some people insist he just has us on the list to keep the NYC fans and some media that follow the team intrigued. Personally I have no idea if his interest is real but he is a very good player who is local so might as well throw everything at him but have strong options in 2017 as a backup with Ahmed and Ponds as well.
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Stunt today is why I've stated St. John's has no shot. Just stringing along.
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Stunt today is why I've stated St. John's has no shot. Just stringing along.
Wouldn't be the first local kid to string us along so not shocking. Also if that's accurate then it's still all good because the staff has been all over the place. Not like our eggs are all in that basket at all. This staff has done a great job getting in on a lot of kids.
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Do not under estimate the relationship between Slice and the CK Family.
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Stunt today is why I've stated St. John's has no shot. Just stringing along.
How dare you say this? Those SJU fans with a hard on for NY kids will revolt.
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Stunt today is why I've stated St. John's has no shot. Just stringing along.
How dare you say this? Those SJU fans with a hard on for NY kids will revolt.
Haha. His whole recruitment has been clown town (not unlike almost all alpha dog NYC recruits of recent memory; lance, Lawrence, whitehead). Imagine being a buffalo fan today. That'd b rough.
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What's the harm in staying involved? The staff has cast a wide enough net in this class, and if things go like it sounds like it will (getting Ahmed/German kid, aka two wings...I don't have inside info), then why not? He would simply be the cherry on top of a very good class, but we wouldn't be relying on him. If he does crave this attention, and doesn't care about the team's previous winning, then what better place to get the attention than a team on the rise in NYC?
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Stunt today is why I've stated St. John's has no shot. Just stringing along.
How dare you say this? Those SJU fans with a hard on for NY kids will revolt.
As, a few of us have said for awhile.... The centric NYC stuff from some posters is overplayed, and, frankly, tired, IMO. We're not gonna win on the level most would like to by having a team full of New Yorkers. Of course, you wanna get the best of the best from the city (ie, Ponds and Alkins), but it's also imperative we recruit nationally and globally.
Tom Konchalski even said the same. The Newman guy who does the podcast with Zags also reiterated the same. My motto is get good players, regardless where they reside.
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@Iam_RawleAlkins: Missing NY 🏦🗽
Maybe his time away from NY will be a good thing for us.
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@Iam_RawleAlkins: Missing NY 🏦🗽
Maybe his time away from NY will be a good thing for us.
Or maybe he is just enjoying playing with us us all. Remember the Albany tweet? I think he likes attention. Maybe he came to SJU the day before he left for Carolina just so the NY area would be making a big deal over him all season. Or maybe he is very sincere about everything he is saying.
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@Iam_RawleAlkins: Missing NY 🏦🗽
Maybe his time away from NY will be a good thing for us.
Or maybe he is just enjoying playing with us us all. Remember the Albany tweet? I think he likes attention. Maybe he came to SJU the day before he left for Carolina just so the NY area would be making a big deal over him all season. Or maybe he is very sincere about everything he is saying.
Or maybe he misses NY because he misses family, friends, home cooking, good pizza. Have you ever had pizza in NC? Everything doesn't have to relate to SJU or their fan base.
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@Iam_RawleAlkins: Missing NY 🏦🗽
Maybe his time away from NY will be a good thing for us.
Or maybe he is just enjoying playing with us us all. Remember the Albany tweet? I think he likes attention. Maybe he came to SJU the day before he left for Carolina just so the NY area would be making a big deal over him all season. Or maybe he is very sincere about everything he is saying.
The kid is living away from home his last year of HS. This tweet is not intended to get you excited.
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Stunt today is why I've stated St. John's has no shot. Just stringing along.
How dare you say this? Those SJU fans with a hard on for NY kids will revolt.
As, a few of us have said for awhile.... The centric NYC stuff from some posters is overplayed, and, frankly, tired, IMO. We're not gonna win on the level most would like to by having a team full of New Yorkers. Of course, you wanna get the best of the best from the city (ie, Ponds and Alkins), but it's also imperative we recruit nationally and globally.
Tom Konchalski even said the same. The Newman guy who does the podcast with Zags also reiterated the same. My motto is get good players, regardless where they reside.
The best teams assembled at St John's were dominated by locals
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Stunt today is why I've stated St. John's has no shot. Just stringing along.
How dare you say this? Those SJU fans with a hard on for NY kids will revolt.
As, a few of us have said for awhile.... The centric NYC stuff from some posters is overplayed, and, frankly, tired, IMO. We're not gonna win on the level most would like to by having a team full of New Yorkers. Of course, you wanna get the best of the best from the city (ie, Ponds and Alkins), but it's also imperative we recruit nationally and globally.
Tom Konchalski even said the same. The Newman guy who does the podcast with Zags also reiterated the same. My motto is get good players, regardless where they reside.
The best teams assembled at St John's were dominated by locals
True, and also had key non-NY performers (Bootsy and Lavor; Wennington and Rowan, etc.). A good balance is necessary, would like at least half the team to be from NY/NJ/CT ideally but in the end as long as they are the right guys thats all that matters.
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@Iam_RawleAlkins: Missing NY 🏦🗽
Maybe his time away from NY will be a good thing for us.
my personal opinion from the very beginning is that this kid has been trolling us. From that first tweet where he said "finally got the sju offer" i've pegged him as someone who's seeking attention.
obviously the staff know's what they're doing, so i'll trust they're judgement. but this kid seems to be a high maintenance type person.
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Stunt today is why I've stated St. John's has no shot. Just stringing along.
How dare you say this? Those SJU fans with a hard on for NY kids will revolt.
As, a few of us have said for awhile.... The centric NYC stuff from some posters is overplayed, and, frankly, tired, IMO. We're not gonna win on the level most would like to by having a team full of New Yorkers. Of course, you wanna get the best of the best from the city (ie, Ponds and Alkins), but it's also imperative we recruit nationally and globally.
Tom Konchalski even said the same. The Newman guy who does the podcast with Zags also reiterated the same. My motto is get good players, regardless where they reside.
The best teams assembled at St John's were dominated by locals
What does that has to do with the price of tea in China? That stuff holds no weight today. We're not gonna win on the level many fans would like by loading up on local players. A few of us have said it for awhile, and Konchalski and Newman said it a week ago.
I like how this staff, like the one before them, ate doing it.... Recruiting nationally and globally.
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Stunt today is why I've stated St. John's has no shot. Just stringing along.
How dare you say this? Those SJU fans with a hard on for NY kids will revolt.
As, a few of us have said for awhile.... The centric NYC stuff from some posters is overplayed, and, frankly, tired, IMO. We're not gonna win on the level most would like to by having a team full of New Yorkers. Of course, you wanna get the best of the best from the city (ie, Ponds and Alkins), but it's also imperative we recruit nationally and globally.
Tom Konchalski even said the same. The Newman guy who does the podcast with Zags also reiterated the same. My motto is get good players, regardless where they reside.
The best teams assembled at St John's were dominated by locals
True, and also had key non-NY performers (Bootsy and Lavor; Wennington and Rowan, etc.). A good balance is necessary, would like at least half the team to be from NY/NJ/CT ideally but in the end as long as they are the right guys thats all that matters.
Wennington, although a Canadian, attended LuHi so you could stretch him as a local. If he was still up north or at a school outside the NY Metro area do you think we would have recruited him?
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We've always wanted NY guys, but what we've seen over the last 20 years, (for the most part) is that these kids tease us, drag it out and never actually had any intention of coming here. Also, now that we're an honest program, it's hard to compete in a game where there are Louisvilles and Syracuses doing whatever they please - and with little to no penalty.
If it comes down to a 3 star player who will sit and learn for two years, and one kid is from NYC, and the other is from Minnesota, we should make it a point to go after the local first, but even with a 3 star kid, an offer is made, interest shown, and then make up your damn mind, because the offer isn't open forever.
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Between Mullin, Slice and Matt. They are smart enough to know the recruiting game. At this point Alkins is a luxury, not a necessity. All our eggs are not thrown into the Alkins basket.
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Between Mullin, Slice and Matt. They are smart enough to know the recruiting game. At this point Alkins is a luxury, not a necessity. All our eggs are not thrown into the Alkins basket.
It comes down to what kind of program we're building here. Mullin and his staff landed a top notch guard in Ponds, but Alkins is a program changing player. You put him in the backcourt with Ponds, Mussini and Ellison and then we probably have something that can compete with top ranked programs. Ponds can't be expected to come right in and be Erick Barkley from day 1. (And even Barkley had a lot of help)
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Stunt today is why I've stated St. John's has no shot. Just stringing along.
How dare you say this? Those SJU fans with a hard on for NY kids will revolt.
As, a few of us have said for awhile.... The centric NYC stuff from some posters is overplayed, and, frankly, tired, IMO. We're not gonna win on the level most would like to by having a team full of New Yorkers. Of course, you wanna get the best of the best from the city (ie, Ponds and Alkins), but it's also imperative we recruit nationally and globally.
Tom Konchalski even said the same. The Newman guy who does the podcast with Zags also reiterated the same. My motto is get good players, regardless where they reside.
The best teams assembled at St John's were dominated by locals
What does that has to do with the price of tea in China? That stuff holds no weight today. We're not gonna win on the level many fans would like by loading up on local players. A few of us have said it for awhile, and Konchalski and Newman said it a week ago.
I like how this staff, like the one before them, ate doing it.... Recruiting nationally and globally.
Holds no weight today? We've been getting our balls beat in with kids from Texas, Michigan, Philly etc. Most of these kids could care less about representing St. John's or NYC. The successful teams at SJU have had great local talent. Time to bring that back. Ponds is a great start
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Stunt today is why I've stated St. John's has no shot. Just stringing along.
How dare you say this? Those SJU fans with a hard on for NY kids will revolt.
As, a few of us have said for awhile.... The centric NYC stuff from some posters is overplayed, and, frankly, tired, IMO. We're not gonna win on the level most would like to by having a team full of New Yorkers. Of course, you wanna get the best of the best from the city (ie, Ponds and Alkins), but it's also imperative we recruit nationally and globally.
Tom Konchalski even said the same. The Newman guy who does the podcast with Zags also reiterated the same. My motto is get good players, regardless where they reside.
The best teams assembled at St John's were dominated by locals
What does that has to do with the price of tea in China? That stuff holds no weight today. We're not gonna win on the level many fans would like by loading up on local players. A few of us have said it for awhile, and Konchalski and Newman said it a week ago.
I like how this staff, like the one before them, ate doing it.... Recruiting nationally and globally.
Holds no weight today? We've been getting our balls beat in with kids from Texas, Michigan, Philly etc. Most of these kids could care less about representing St. John's or NYC. The successful teams at SJU have had great local talent. Time to bring that back. Ponds is a great start
No! It doesn't hold any weight.
Your comment about us getting whipped with kids from out of state, and they couldn't care about representing St. John's doesnt even deserves a response, as it's just an asinine comment. Complete fallacy.
So, I guess Konchalski is off in his assessment, too? A guy who watches a ton of local hoop games.
Ponds is certainly a good start, but we're gonna have to bring in more than just local talent, in order to CONSISTENTLY compete on a national level. Grab the best the city has to offer (ie, Ponds, Alkins types), and grab the kids on the national and globally.
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It's never been just about where a kid is from. Lavor wasn't from NYC, but have we had a player from NYC or anywhere for that matter, since he's left that played a tougher brand of basketball? We do need to go hard after the Rawlie Alkins types, but we can't kiss his butt for 18 months, while ignoring everyone else out there if he's not sincerely interested in STJ.
What was Norm left with after going all in for Sylvan and Lance? What did Lavin have after Briscoe? You go hard after these kids, but our staff can't go all in for any one player. That's the lesson no STJ staff seems to understand, except, maybe this one. This staff can recruit Akins hard, because if they don't get him, its not like there's nothing left when he signs with Kentucky or North Carolina.
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Stunt today is why I've stated St. John's has no shot. Just stringing along.
How dare you say this? Those SJU fans with a hard on for NY kids will revolt.
As, a few of us have said for awhile.... The centric NYC stuff from some posters is overplayed, and, frankly, tired, IMO. We're not gonna win on the level most would like to by having a team full of New Yorkers. Of course, you wanna get the best of the best from the city (ie, Ponds and Alkins), but it's also imperative we recruit nationally and globally.
Tom Konchalski even said the same. The Newman guy who does the podcast with Zags also reiterated the same. My motto is get good players, regardless where they reside.
The best teams assembled at St John's were dominated by locals
What does that has to do with the price of tea in China? That stuff holds no weight today. We're not gonna win on the level many fans would like by loading up on local players. A few of us have said it for awhile, and Konchalski and Newman said it a week ago.
I like how this staff, like the one before them, ate doing it.... Recruiting nationally and globally.
Holds no weight today? We've been getting our balls beat in with kids from Texas, Michigan, Philly etc. Most of these kids could care less about representing St. John's or NYC. The successful teams at SJU have had great local talent. Time to bring that back. Ponds is a great start
No! It doesn't hold any weight.
Your comment about us getting whipped with kids from out of state, and they couldn't care about representing St. John's doesnt even deserves a response, as it's just an asinine comment. Complete fallacy.
So, I guess Konchalski is off in his assessment, too? A guy who watches a ton of local hoop games.
Ponds is certainly a good start, but we're gonna have to bring in more than just local talent, in order to CONSISTENTLY compete on a national level. Grab the best the city has to offer (ie, Ponds, Alkins types), and grab the kids on the national and globally.
Are you comparing yourself to Konchalski?
I never said "just go after local talent". I said the best teams we've had were full of local talent. Is that not true?
Like I said, Ponds is a great start, now let's gets some more and surround them with other talent.
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Maybe I'm completely misunderstanding the conversation but do people actually believe there is any difference from a talent standpoint from a top 10 kid from New York and a top ten kid from New Mexico. Like I get the pipeline effect and making your claim to new York schools but people can't actually believe that all things being equal a new York kid has to be better than a kid of the same talent level from elsewhere. I mean that doesn't even make sense.
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Stunt today is why I've stated St. John's has no shot. Just stringing along.
How dare you say this? Those SJU fans with a hard on for NY kids will revolt.
As, a few of us have said for awhile.... The centric NYC stuff from some posters is overplayed, and, frankly, tired, IMO. We're not gonna win on the level most would like to by having a team full of New Yorkers. Of course, you wanna get the best of the best from the city (ie, Ponds and Alkins), but it's also imperative we recruit nationally and globally.
Tom Konchalski even said the same. The Newman guy who does the podcast with Zags also reiterated the same. My motto is get good players, regardless where they reside.
The best teams assembled at St John's were dominated by locals
What does that has to do with the price of tea in China? That stuff holds no weight today. We're not gonna win on the level many fans would like by loading up on local players. A few of us have said it for awhile, and Konchalski and Newman said it a week ago.
I like how this staff, like the one before them, ate doing it.... Recruiting nationally and globally.
Holds no weight today? We've been getting our balls beat in with kids from Texas, Michigan, Philly etc. Most of these kids could care less about representing St. John's or NYC. The successful teams at SJU have had great local talent. Time to bring that back. Ponds is a great start
No! It doesn't hold any weight.
Your comment about us getting whipped with kids from out of state, and they couldn't care about representing St. John's doesnt even deserves a response, as it's just an asinine comment. Complete fallacy.
So, I guess Konchalski is off in his assessment, too? A guy who watches a ton of local hoop games.
Ponds is certainly a good start, but we're gonna have to bring in more than just local talent, in order to CONSISTENTLY compete on a national level. Grab the best the city has to offer (ie, Ponds, Alkins types), and grab the kids on the national and globally.
Are you comparing yourself to Konchalski?
I never said "just go after local talent". I said the best teams we've had were full of local talent. Is that not true?
Like I said, Ponds is a great start, now let's gets some more and surround them with other talent.
Did I ever compare myself to Konchalski? Learn to comprehend. But, I also know what I've heard AND seen, per AAU ball. I trust those people, but most importantly, I trust what I see. Other folks also trust my judgement of talent.
I also said, those PAST best teams argument doesn't hold any weight now. Meaning, it's irrelevant, and has no bearing on what's currently happening on the circuit.
Ponds is a very good start. Now, let's fill out the roster with the best available player(s).
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Stunt today is why I've stated St. John's has no shot. Just stringing along.
How dare you say this? Those SJU fans with a hard on for NY kids will revolt.
As, a few of us have said for awhile.... The centric NYC stuff from some posters is overplayed, and, frankly, tired, IMO. We're not gonna win on the level most would like to by having a team full of New Yorkers. Of course, you wanna get the best of the best from the city (ie, Ponds and Alkins), but it's also imperative we recruit nationally and globally.
Tom Konchalski even said the same. The Newman guy who does the podcast with Zags also reiterated the same. My motto is get good players, regardless where they reside.
The best teams assembled at St John's were dominated by locals
What does that has to do with the price of tea in China? That stuff holds no weight today. We're not gonna win on the level many fans would like by loading up on local players. A few of us have said it for awhile, and Konchalski and Newman said it a week ago.
I like how this staff, like the one before them, ate doing it.... Recruiting nationally and globally.
Holds no weight today? We've been getting our balls beat in with kids from Texas, Michigan, Philly etc. Most of these kids could care less about representing St. John's or NYC. The successful teams at SJU have had great local talent. Time to bring that back. Ponds is a great start
No! It doesn't hold any weight.
Your comment about us getting whipped with kids from out of state, and they couldn't care about representing St. John's doesnt even deserves a response, as it's just an asinine comment. Complete fallacy.
So, I guess Konchalski is off in his assessment, too? A guy who watches a ton of local hoop games.
Ponds is certainly a good start, but we're gonna have to bring in more than just local talent, in order to CONSISTENTLY compete on a national level. Grab the best the city has to offer (ie, Ponds, Alkins types), and grab the kids on the national and globally.
Are you comparing yourself to Konchalski?
I never said "just go after local talent". I said the best teams we've had were full of local talent. Is that not true?
Like I said, Ponds is a great start, now let's gets some more and surround them with other talent.
Did I ever compare myself to Konchalski? Learn to comprehend. But, I also know what I've heard AND seen, per AAU ball. I trust those people, but most importantly, I trust what I see. Other folks also trust my judgement of talent.
I also said, those PAST best teams argument doesn't hold any weight now. Meaning, it's irrelevant, and has no bearing on what's currently happening on the circuit.
Ponds is a very good start. Now, let's fill out the roster with the best available player(s).
It's relevant because we haven't done sht since we were able to keep the top local talent
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Stunt today is why I've stated St. John's has no shot. Just stringing along.
How dare you say this? Those SJU fans with a hard on for NY kids will revolt.
As, a few of us have said for awhile.... The centric NYC stuff from some posters is overplayed, and, frankly, tired, IMO. We're not gonna win on the level most would like to by having a team full of New Yorkers. Of course, you wanna get the best of the best from the city (ie, Ponds and Alkins), but it's also imperative we recruit nationally and globally.
Tom Konchalski even said the same. The Newman guy who does the podcast with Zags also reiterated the same. My motto is get good players, regardless where they reside.
The best teams assembled at St John's were dominated by locals
What does that has to do with the price of tea in China? That stuff holds no weight today. We're not gonna win on the level many fans would like by loading up on local players. A few of us have said it for awhile, and Konchalski and Newman said it a week ago.
I like how this staff, like the one before them, ate doing it.... Recruiting nationally and globally.
Holds no weight today? We've been getting our balls beat in with kids from Texas, Michigan, Philly etc. Most of these kids could care less about representing St. John's or NYC. The successful teams at SJU have had great local talent. Time to bring that back. Ponds is a great start
No! It doesn't hold any weight.
Your comment about us getting whipped with kids from out of state, and they couldn't care about representing St. John's doesnt even deserves a response, as it's just an asinine comment. Complete fallacy.
So, I guess Konchalski is off in his assessment, too? A guy who watches a ton of local hoop games.
Ponds is certainly a good start, but we're gonna have to bring in more than just local talent, in order to CONSISTENTLY compete on a national level. Grab the best the city has to offer (ie, Ponds, Alkins types), and grab the kids on the national and globally.
Are you comparing yourself to Konchalski?
I never said "just go after local talent". I said the best teams we've had were full of local talent. Is that not true?
Like I said, Ponds is a great start, now let's gets some more and surround them with other talent.
Did I ever compare myself to Konchalski? Learn to comprehend. But, I also know what I've heard AND seen, per AAU ball. I trust those people, but most importantly, I trust what I see. Other folks also trust my judgement of talent.
I also said, those PAST best teams argument doesn't hold any weight now. Meaning, it's irrelevant, and has no bearing on what's currently happening on the circuit.
Ponds is a very good start. Now, let's fill out the roster with the best available player(s).
It's relevant because we haven't done sht since we were able to keep the top local talent
It's relevant to you, but that's a fallacy that can be diced up in many, different ways. I don't have time to do so.
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Stunt today is why I've stated St. John's has no shot. Just stringing along.
How dare you say this? Those SJU fans with a hard on for NY kids will revolt.
As, a few of us have said for awhile.... The centric NYC stuff from some posters is overplayed, and, frankly, tired, IMO. We're not gonna win on the level most would like to by having a team full of New Yorkers. Of course, you wanna get the best of the best from the city (ie, Ponds and Alkins), but it's also imperative we recruit nationally and globally.
Tom Konchalski even said the same. The Newman guy who does the podcast with Zags also reiterated the same. My motto is get good players, regardless where they reside.
The best teams assembled at St John's were dominated by locals
What does that has to do with the price of tea in China? That stuff holds no weight today. We're not gonna win on the level many fans would like by loading up on local players. A few of us have said it for awhile, and Konchalski and Newman said it a week ago.
I like how this staff, like the one before them, ate doing it.... Recruiting nationally and globally.
Holds no weight today? We've been getting our balls beat in with kids from Texas, Michigan, Philly etc. Most of these kids could care less about representing St. John's or NYC. The successful teams at SJU have had great local talent. Time to bring that back. Ponds is a great start
No! It doesn't hold any weight.
Your comment about us getting whipped with kids from out of state, and they couldn't care about representing St. John's doesnt even deserves a response, as it's just an asinine comment. Complete fallacy.
So, I guess Konchalski is off in his assessment, too? A guy who watches a ton of local hoop games.
Ponds is certainly a good start, but we're gonna have to bring in more than just local talent, in order to CONSISTENTLY compete on a national level. Grab the best the city has to offer (ie, Ponds, Alkins types), and grab the kids on the national and globally.
Are you comparing yourself to Konchalski?
I never said "just go after local talent". I said the best teams we've had were full of local talent. Is that not true?
Like I said, Ponds is a great start, now let's gets some more and surround them with other talent.
Did I ever compare myself to Konchalski? Learn to comprehend. But, I also know what I've heard AND seen, per AAU ball. I trust those people, but most importantly, I trust what I see. Other folks also trust my judgement of talent.
I also said, those PAST best teams argument doesn't hold any weight now. Meaning, it's irrelevant, and has no bearing on what's currently happening on the circuit.
Ponds is a very good start. Now, let's fill out the roster with the best available player(s).
It's relevant because we haven't done sht since we were able to keep the top local talent
It's relevant to you, but that's a fallacy that can be diced up in many, different ways. I don't have time to do so.
Thanks Tom
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Its nice to have local talent. But, I'm not picky .Ill take a 5 star recruit from Cal., providing hes not a head case. Get the best talent you can regardless. I think ,however, Mullin wants the local talent to find playing for SJU appealing. And he will be looking to develop relationships locally as pipelines.
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There are 2 programs that we should emulate. Nova, because they are alone as the top tier in our league right now, and Zaga. Each draws on the local areas (PA/MD and pacific northwest, respectively) for core players. Zaga is heavy on the international circuit, which Mullin is obviously making a priority. And each can pull 1 or 2 top 100 national recruits or transfers each season.
But sju can even be even better that either. BECAUSE of our nyc location - the access to great players, and the media exposure. That will take 4-5 years if it happens, but hey, that's what we want so...
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Agreed - Nova and Gonzaga are two programs to emulate. Private schools that have been consistently good in the last decade. Securing Local talent will generate much Buzz and seems the route Mullin & Co. are going vs the prior regime. No one is right or wrong as long as you secure talent consistently, something Lavs tailed off with in the last 2 years.
Back on topic, we have a great shot with Rawle and are in the mix with the big boys. Mullin and Slice are right there and this is not an opinion. As you know with recruiting on top today and second tomorrow.
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Maybe I'm completely misunderstanding the conversation but do people actually believe there is any difference from a talent standpoint from a top 10 kid from New York and a top ten kid from New Mexico. Like I get the pipeline effect and making your claim to new York schools but people can't actually believe that all things being equal a new York kid has to be better than a kid of the same talent level from elsewhere. I mean that doesn't even make sense.
All things being equal than of course it does make sense. It brings fans, it builds local relationships, it gives sju an identity.
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Maybe I'm completely misunderstanding the conversation but do people actually believe there is any difference from a talent standpoint from a top 10 kid from New York and a top ten kid from New Mexico. Like I get the pipeline effect and making your claim to new York schools but people can't actually believe that all things being equal a new York kid has to be better than a kid of the same talent level from elsewhere. I mean that doesn't even make sense.
All things being equal than of course it does make sense. It brings fans, it builds local relationships, it gives sju an identity.
Right and as I clearly stated there is a point to that but just because a kid is from New York doesn't make him magically more talented than an equal from somewhere else. I want to win and don't care if our starting five is from mars. It ain't 1985 anymore, the world is smaller and a lot of New York kids want to leave because New York isn't the only thing they've ever known. Likewise we have cool pitch to out of towers who have already visited New York on the Aau circuit. Add in that we have to be honest and realize that some top New York kids have, in recent years, differentiated themselves in a couple ways, gigantic egos, maniac handlers, circus recruitments. Take the kids who want to be here, recruit nationally and world wide and it's ludicrous to me to say "we have to have x amount of home grown on the squad" just get the players and forget any type of bias.
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I agree it's important to keep local talent, but realistically you are not going to get all the big fish to stay home and the talent year in and year out in this area has not been all that deep. You shouldn't waste time on a MAAC level kid simply because he's from NY, while you could be recruiting a top 100 kid from Texas.
Yes, getting kids to stay home is great for the program, but I think we could get into trouble if we rely on our back yard to produce enough talent to win year in year out in the Big East. Love seeing us recruit internationally and nationwide.
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Maybe I'm completely misunderstanding the conversation but do people actually believe there is any difference from a talent standpoint from a top 10 kid from New York and a top ten kid from New Mexico. Like I get the pipeline effect and making your claim to new York schools but people can't actually believe that all things being equal a new York kid has to be better than a kid of the same talent level from elsewhere. I mean that doesn't even make sense.
All things being equal than of course it does make sense. It brings fans, it builds local relationships, it gives sju an identity.
Right and as I clearly stated there is a point to that but just because a kid is from New York doesn't make him magically more talented than an equal from somewhere else.
"All things being equal"
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@Iam_RawleAlkins: Missing NY 🏦🗽
Maybe his time away from NY will be a good thing for us.
Or maybe he is just enjoying playing with us us all. Remember the Albany tweet? I think he likes attention. Maybe he came to SJU the day before he left for Carolina just so the NY area would be making a big deal over him all season. Or maybe he is very sincere about everything he is saying.
Or maybe he misses NY because he misses family, friends, home cooking, good pizza. Have you ever had pizza in NC? Everything doesn't have to relate to SJU or their fan base.
I hope you are right Celtics. But we'll see. It's normal to be homesick, but this seems a little late. He's been away for over a month now, and he's just getting homesick now? It didn't seem to stop him (them) from playing games on his phone or computer. I think he might like to play games with his recruitment because he likes the feeling of being recruited. This seemed to be the case over the summer too, and we even commented about it quite a bit on JJ. This latest stunt didn't do anything to change my hunch about him. I think he likes the attention.
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Stunt today is why I've stated St. John's has no shot. Just stringing along.
How dare you say this? Those SJU fans with a hard on for NY kids will revolt.
As, a few of us have said for awhile.... The centric NYC stuff from some posters is overplayed, and, frankly, tired, IMO. We're not gonna win on the level most would like to by having a team full of New Yorkers. Of course, you wanna get the best of the best from the city (ie, Ponds and Alkins), but it's also imperative we recruit nationally and globally.
Tom Konchalski even said the same. The Newman guy who does the podcast with Zags also reiterated the same. My motto is get good players, regardless where they reside.
The best teams assembled at St John's were dominated by locals
True, and also had key non-NY performers (Bootsy and Lavor; Wennington and Rowan, etc.). A good balance is necessary, would like at least half the team to be from NY/NJ/CT ideally but in the end as long as they are the right guys thats all that matters.
Wennington lived with his mother in Wheatley Heights for two years before he even started college, and for all four years at SJU. So for all practical intents and purposes, he was a local player.
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Stunt today is why I've stated St. John's has no shot. Just stringing along.
How dare you say this? Those SJU fans with a hard on for NY kids will revolt.
As, a few of us have said for awhile.... The centric NYC stuff from some posters is overplayed, and, frankly, tired, IMO. We're not gonna win on the level most would like to by having a team full of New Yorkers. Of course, you wanna get the best of the best from the city (ie, Ponds and Alkins), but it's also imperative we recruit nationally and globally.
Tom Konchalski even said the same. The Newman guy who does the podcast with Zags also reiterated the same. My motto is get good players, regardless where they reside.
The best teams assembled at St John's were dominated by locals
What does that has to do with the price of tea in China? That stuff holds no weight today. We're not gonna win on the level many fans would like by loading up on local players. A few of us have said it for awhile, and Konchalski and Newman said it a week ago.
I like how this staff, like the one before them, ate doing it.... Recruiting nationally and globally.
Holds no weight today? We've been getting our balls beat in with kids from Texas, Michigan, Philly etc. Most of these kids could care less about representing St. John's or NYC. The successful teams at SJU have had great local talent. Time to bring that back. Ponds is a great start
I thought Lavin was a good recruiter and had good players. You can win with players like DLo, Dom, Jak and Sanchez, but you have to coach them better then Lav did. And develop them better then did Lav. There are a lot of coaches out there that could have had ranked teams with those players. So the reason he didn't win bigger was not that the players weren't from NY, he just couldn't coach them well enough.
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@Iam_RawleAlkins: Missing NY 🏦🗽
Maybe his time away from NY will be a good thing for us.
Or maybe he is just enjoying playing with us us all. Remember the Albany tweet? I think he likes attention. Maybe he came to SJU the day before he left for Carolina just so the NY area would be making a big deal over him all season. Or maybe he is very sincere about everything he is saying.
Or maybe he misses NY because he misses family, friends, home cooking, good pizza. Have you ever had pizza in NC? Everything doesn't have to relate to SJU or their fan base.
I hope you are right Celtics. But we'll see. It's normal to be homesick, but this seems a little late. He's been away for over a month now, and he's just getting homesick now? It didn't seem to stop him (them) from playing games on his phone or computer.
A HS senior posts a tweet saying he misses home and this is what happens.
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From Zags;
"Mullin and Rohrssen will be at Raleigh (N.C.) Word of God Academy on Wednesday to see the Brooklyn guard, Word of God coach Brian Clifton said.
Mullin will apparently leave after Big East Media Day, which takes place in the morning at Madison Square Garden." Seeing Thon Maker as well this week.
http://zagsblog.com
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From Zags;
"Mullin and Rohrssen will be at Raleigh (N.C.) Word of God Academy on Wednesday to see the Brooklyn guard, Word of God coach Brian Clifton said.
Mullin will apparently leave after Big East Media Day, which takes place in the morning at Madison Square Garden." Seeing Thon Maker as well this week.
http://zagsblog.com
I think Lavin left BE Media Day last year also. Wasn't he wearing a sweatsuit while the other coaches were in suits :)
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I think we've got a good shot with Rawle. It will be a marathon and a lot of the blue bloods will fill their scholarships before he decides. Hopefully the staff can add another quality big and win a few games to entice him. This could play out like the Artest and Cook recruitments before all is said and done.
The good news is we are in a position were we don't need him. It would be like the Mets adding Greinke next year...sure it would be amazing and they'd be a better team, but they would be very good without him.
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Ponds is certainly a good start, but we're gonna have to bring in more than just local talent, in order to CONSISTENTLY compete on a national level. Grab the best the city has to offer (ie, Ponds, Alkins types), and grab the kids on the national and globally.
So historically, when St. John's has been truly competitive on the national level (1 Final Four and a couple of Elite 8's in past 30 years) , the teams have been driven by players who played high school hoops locally but you think to consistently compete nationally we need more then that..? History tells us that you are not right.
Also and I am honestly asking because I want to hear what your thoughts are... define what it means for St. John's to consistently compete nationally..?
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Maybe I'm completely misunderstanding the conversation but do people actually believe there is any difference from a talent standpoint from a top 10 kid from New York and a top ten kid from New Mexico. Like I get the pipeline effect and making your claim to new York schools but people can't actually believe that all things being equal a new York kid has to be better than a kid of the same talent level from elsewhere. I mean that doesn't even make sense.
All things being equal than of course it does make sense. It brings fans, it builds local relationships, it gives sju an identity.
Winning (regardless of hometown) brings fans and builds excitement. Most college basketball fans don't follow high school basketball so it's not like they've tracked these NY kids through their high school career. The idea that we need a local team is such an 80's mentality. With the boom of the internet and social media, these kids feel like rockstars before they even hit campus. These aren't the days of train token recruiting. Put together the best team possible regardless of location and you'll be fine. Besides, it's extremely rare you ever hear a kid say they want to stay home and represent the city anymore. PLUS as has been noted many times, NYC talent has become watered down.
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Ponds is certainly a good start, but we're gonna have to bring in more than just local talent, in order to CONSISTENTLY compete on a national level. Grab the best the city has to offer (ie, Ponds, Alkins types), and grab the kids on the national and globally.
So historically, when St. John's has been truly competitive on the national level (1 Final Four and a couple of Elite 8's in past 30 years) , the teams have been driven by players who played high school hoops locally but you think to consistently compete nationally we need more then that..? History tells us that you are not right.
Also and I am honestly asking because I want to hear what your thoughts are... define what it means for St. John's to consistently compete nationally..?
History also tells us that you have to adapt to changing climates, and things have changed both in NYC and nationally. Florida, Texas, and Virginia each have nine top 100 recruits on Rivals. NY has three and this is considered one of the strongest area classes in years. We're not likely to see classes like Kenny Smith, Pearl and Mark Jackson or Artest, Brand, and Odom again.
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Ponds is certainly a good start, but we're gonna have to bring in more than just local talent, in order to CONSISTENTLY compete on a national level. Grab the best the city has to offer (ie, Ponds, Alkins types), and grab the kids on the national and globally.
So historically, when St. John's has been truly competitive on the national level (1 Final Four and a couple of Elite 8's in past 30 years) , the teams have been driven by players who played high school hoops locally but you think to consistently compete nationally we need more then that..? History tells us that you are not right.
Also and I am honestly asking because I want to hear what your thoughts are... define what it means for St. John's to consistently compete nationally..?
The last time St.John's competed nationally and consistently, there was no internet. Learning about the Universities that weren't within driving stance wasn't as easy as it is now. There are a lot of reasons why it's harder to keep local kids home. The once hefty stipend is gone. Kids leave for prep school and spend time in places like, IDK, North Carolina, and they like the hoops first culture that we don't, and probably never will have here because of the size and depth of the city.
Lavin was savvy to sell a kid from Texas on the chance to be a star in the greatest city in the world. I think we can all agree with that. That doesn't mean that NYC should be ignored, and it was. If this team had a Tyrone Grant, they finish in second place in the BE.
That said, where a player is from has no bearing on what kind of player he'll be. That logic is bananas.
BUT, to have so much talent in your own backyard, and ignore all of it is short-sighted. Lavin never considered that turning the second best player on CTK into a star would be a way to make inroads with high school coaches who have been waiting for over 20 years for a good reason to suggest that St.John's makes sense for a kid.
Lavin had some balls on him to only recruit Briscoe when he had a pretty lame resume at St.John's. We could have used a lot of 3 or 4 star locals over the last few years.
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Lock the tri-state down, and cherry pick throughout the nation.
Pretty simple formula.
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@Iam_RawleAlkins: Missing NY 🏦🗽
Maybe his time away from NY will be a good thing for us.
Or maybe he is just enjoying playing with us us all. Remember the Albany tweet? I think he likes attention. Maybe he came to SJU the day before he left for Carolina just so the NY area would be making a big deal over him all season. Or maybe he is very sincere about everything he is saying.
Or maybe he misses NY because he misses family, friends, home cooking, good pizza. Have you ever had pizza in NC? Everything doesn't have to relate to SJU or their fan base.
I hope you are right Celtics. But we'll see. It's normal to be homesick, but this seems a little late. He's been away for over a month now, and he's just getting homesick now? It didn't seem to stop him (them) from playing games on his phone or computer.
A HS senior posts a tweet saying he misses home and this is what happens.
Not just that mase, people on here were upset about all his quotes and interviews all summer.
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Ponds is certainly a good start, but we're gonna have to bring in more than just local talent, in order to CONSISTENTLY compete on a national level. Grab the best the city has to offer (ie, Ponds, Alkins types), and grab the kids on the national and globally.
So historically, when St. John's has been truly competitive on the national level (1 Final Four and a couple of Elite 8's in past 30 years) , the teams have been driven by players who played high school hoops locally but you think to consistently compete nationally we need more then that..? History tells us that you are not right.
Also and I am honestly asking because I want to hear what your thoughts are... define what it means for St. John's to consistently compete nationally..?
Marillac covered it all, as well as room112 and PIB (Poison also made a few, valid points). History is what it is.... History. It doesn't has any bearing on the current nor the future. We can win without loading up the roster with a bunch of NYC players. Talent isn't spewing out of NYC like it was back in the day. There was a time you could find about 4 or 5 top 100 players in one particular class from NYC. How often do you see that nowadays?
As, Marillac stated, "History also tells us that you have to adapt to changing climates, and things have changed both in NYC and nationally" is right on the money, IMO.
Consistently compete nationally is self-explanatory. Just think of all the teams in college hoops who consistently compete nationally (outside of the Kentucky's, Duke's, Michigan State's, and Kansas's, as schools of that ilk are on a different level of winning, IMO), and there you go.
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Ponds is certainly a good start, but we're gonna have to bring in more than just local talent, in order to CONSISTENTLY compete on a national level. Grab the best the city has to offer (ie, Ponds, Alkins types), and grab the kids on the national and globally.
So historically, when St. John's has been truly competitive on the national level (1 Final Four and a couple of Elite 8's in past 30 years) , the teams have been driven by players who played high school hoops locally but you think to consistently compete nationally we need more then that..? History tells us that you are not right.
Also and I am honestly asking because I want to hear what your thoughts are... define what it means for St. John's to consistently compete nationally..?
Marillac covered it all, as well as room112 and PIB (Poison also made a few, valid points). History is what it is.... History. It doesn't has any bearing on the current nor the future. We can win without loading up the roster with a bunch of NYC players. Talent isn't spewing out of NYC like it was back in the day. There was a time you could find about 4 or 5 top 100 players in one particular class from NYC. How often do you see that nowadays?
As, Marillac stated, "History also tells us that you have to adapt to changing climates, and things have changed both in NYC and nationally" is right on the money, IMO.
Consistently compete nationally is self-explanatory. Just think of all the teams in college hoops who consistently compete nationally (outside of the Kentucky's, Duke's, Michigan State's, and Kansas's, as schools of that ilk are on a different level of winning, IMO), and there you go.
You must have meant four or five All-Americans. Like in 90 when there was Brian Reese, Adrian Autry, Khalid Reeves, Jamal Faulkner, Derrick Phelps. . . . . And a lot more great players that and every year. That's totally gone now.
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http://usatodayhss.com/2015/the-rawle-alkins-blog-roy-williams-hits-the-quan-settling-in-n-c-pregame-rawle-alkins-kentucky-kansas-st-johns-unlv-unc
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http://usatodayhss.com/2015/the-rawle-alkins-blog-roy-williams-hits-the-quan-settling-in-n-c-pregame-rawle-alkins-kentucky-kansas-st-johns-unlv-unc
Good read.
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http://usatodayhss.com/2015/the-rawle-alkins-blog-roy-williams-hits-the-quan-settling-in-n-c-pregame-rawle-alkins-kentucky-kansas-st-johns-unlv-unc
Good read.
Not so much for me. He said he likes it down there. Oh, but just in early October he said he was homesick for New York. See, I'd rather read and article about how much he does NOT like it down there.
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http://usatodayhss.com/2015/the-rawle-alkins-blog-roy-williams-hits-the-quan-settling-in-n-c-pregame-rawle-alkins-kentucky-kansas-st-johns-unlv-unc
Good read.
Not so much for me. He said he likes it down there. Oh, but just in early October he said he was homesick for New York. See, I'd rather read and article about how much he does NOT like it down there.
This is like these interviews you see on recruiting sites. The player says what ammounts to a whole lot of nothing. When he starts to cut his list and we're still in contention I'll pay attention, especially if Paultzman puts him on his avi. Until then let Rawle enjoy his exposure.
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I think it's the opposite. I'm sure there's kids who live in NY and want to explore. However, some kids may want to stay home. However, there's probably a better chance to focus on kids who never been to NY and would like to come play in probably the biggest market in the world.
Sure there's colleges who get recognized as a basketball brand (NC, Kansas, Duke, etc.). However, we now have two hall of fame players and a former professional development guy in helping them get ready to go pro. What college staff has that on their resume?
I'm sure if Mullin and his staff can convince these guys that if they listen to him, play smart, and work as hard as he worked, and win in the biggest media outlet, they will get recognized and make it if they have the talent.
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@AdamZagoria: St. John's is also working on setting up officials for 2016s @Iam_RawleAlkins and @ThonMaker14 , source says. No dates yet.
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@AdamZagoria: St. John's is also working on setting up officials for 2016s @Iam_RawleAlkins and @ThonMaker14 , source says. No dates yet.
I think if we landed BOTH I would have my first heart attack.
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http://zagsblog.com/recruiting/rawle-alkins-visits-st-johns-for-red-white-scrimmage/#more-142332
Former Christ the King star Rawle Alkins spent his Halloween back in Queens on Saturday, where the five-star guard watched a St. John’s intersquad scrimmage from the front row.
Even though the 2016 product will be lacing up his shoes for Raleigh (N.C.) Word of God Academy, the Brooklyn native said St. John’s is still very much in the mix for his services, even as North Carolina and N.C. State have stepped up their efforts to land him
“Yeah, of course,” Alkins said, when asked if first-year head coach Chris Mullin and the Red Storm still have a fighting chance. “They’re in my top eight.”
Alkins had also visited St. John’s before leaving for Word of God, taking the above picture, and also hosted St. John’s assistant Barry “Slice” Rohrssen at Word of God.
Alkins added that, while he’s still getting acclimated to living in North Carolina, his ability in the classroom and on the court have already improved since he left Christ the King due to eligibility issues.
“My grades are getting way better. I’ve been focusing more on school,” he said. “My team is looking great too.”
“I think we’re better,” Alkins added when asked to compare his Word of God team and his prior Christ the King squads. “It’s an upgrade at every position. All my guys are high Division 1 players.”
The star, who is eyeing Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisville, UNC, UNLV and N.C .State along with St. John’s, still expects to make his college decision in the spring.
At halftime, Rohrssen embraced Alkins before leading him into an arena tunnel to chat with him for 10 minutes. At the end of the scrimmage, it was Mullin who hugged and talked with the recruit for a few moments.
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(https://snyhoops.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/csrfiezwuaaktul.jpg?w=150&h=150)
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when prep schools became a factor the number of big NYC players crashed
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Eric Bossi of Rivals on where he thinks Alkins lands:
SG Rawle Alkins, Raleigh (N.C.) Word of God, No. 9 Recruiting wrap: Alkins has moved from New York City for his senior year of high school and appears to be in no rush to make a decision. Since his arrival at Word of God, he's seen the campuses of N.C. State and North Carolina and he's been on campus at St. John's multiple times.
Prediction: It's early, but N.C. State or St. John's
https://stjohns.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1823903
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Seen him on some 2017 mock draft boards, top 10 pick
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I want this kid at SJU more than any recruit in recent memory. Make it happen.
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http://usatodayhss.com/2015/the-rawle-alkins-blog-nursing-bum-ankle-rawle-alkins-word-of-god-rens
Tough get, but SJU staff is giving it their best shot.
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Some people took offense to the term "source" or "people close to him" so Ill just say this is what I understand the situation to be as of last Friday,
1) While he understands his need to be there he does not like it, does not like the coach, school or area. He is badly homesick and misses his family and CTK
2) He loves Matt A and Mullin. and the teams record or talent level has no influence on him at all. AT ALL.
3) He has been shocked and excited about the passion at NC ST, UNC and its a 3 team race. No Indiana, Kansas or Kentucky.
4) He wants to go pro after one year. He and his will decide is it better to come home, be the man and showcase or go to a proven school of sending guys to the NBA. My guess is SJU is more in this than people think. The staff us really pushing how much Mitch's game is similar and how much he can ready him for the association
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I agree with this. I spoke with Coach Arbitello at a recent game vs. Cardinal Hayes and he said Rawle is miserable. He may transfer back to CTK to finish his academics in the spring. He also said when asked if Rawle would pick St. John's he said that's a pretty good chance. Take that for what it's worth.
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I agree with this. I spoke with Coach Arbitello at a recent game vs. Cardinal Hayes and he said Rawle is miserable. He may transfer back to CTK to finish his academics in the spring. He also said when asked if Rawle would pick St. John's he said that's a pretty good chance. Take that for what it's worth.
I'm in a position to hear things on the two Brooklyn kids, one who is already signed. After college I lived in Rawle's neighborhood in Brooklyn (Canarsie) for six years and I still have friends there. Also, I teach in a middle school in East New York, Brooklyn, where I also hear things from other teachers. I can tell you, I've been hearing this stuff too, but I did not want to post anything about it. Some people react badly to it. He's definitely homesick and his family is amenable to him coming back home for at least a year until he plays professionally. I've also heard third hand that Arbitello has confirmed that he is "seriously considering" St. John's. I'm really crossing my fingers on this one. The way I see it, he's going to be playing far away from his family for most of his career, so why not just, for one year, come home and play for STJ, be near your family, and then go pro.
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That has to be a positive sign for us. Can't imagine he'd want to go to the other presumptive favorites NC State or UNC, if he's miserable in NC now. Go get em Mully!
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I think Rawle is the most important recruit in the past decade for this program. If this staff can land the best NYC kid (yes I still consider him an NYC kid) that would seriously get the ball rolling even more than it already is. Then if Rawle thrives in his one year here then that could lead to us finally being the consistent program we've always wanted to be
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I agree with this. I spoke with Coach Arbitello at a recent game vs. Cardinal Hayes and he said Rawle is miserable. He may transfer back to CTK to finish his academics in the spring. He also said when asked if Rawle would pick St. John's he said that's a pretty good chance. Take that for what it's worth.
I'm in a position to hear things on the two Brooklyn kids, one who is already signed. After college I lived in Rawle's neighborhood in Brooklyn (Canarsie) for six years and I still have friends there. Also, I teach in a middle school in East New York, Brooklyn, where I also hear things from other teachers. I can tell you, I've been hearing this stuff too, but I did not want to post anything about it. Some people react badly to it. He's definitely homesick and his family is amenable to him coming back home for at least a year until he plays professionally. I've also heard third hand that Arbitello has confirmed that he is "seriously considering" St. John's. I'm really crossing my fingers on this one. The way I see it, he's going to be playing far away from his family for most of his career, so why not just, for one year, come home and play for STJ, be near your family, and then go pro.
I was a guidance counselor at JFK when Bashir attended.
Sadly, JFK no longer exists. And, everyone is teaching/working elsewhere.
Nice to see fellow educators on here.
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Ben Roberts
@NextCats
FINAL: Word of God Academy (N.C.) 121, Victory Prep (Texas) 101. Rawle Alkins finishes with 51 points (33 in the second half).
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Adam Zagoria
@AdamZagoria
Indiana and Louisville watched @Iam_RawleAlkins go for 51. Heard he could've had 60 if game was a little longer.
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Hope the recruiting crew got in touch with him to congratulate him (and remind him that the beat Syracuse at MSG and they'll be in the Bahamas for Battle 4 Atlantis next Nov !!!)
. and I can see the homesickness getting to a HS senior. That could be a positive, especially if he's going to be a one and done and wants one more year in front of friends/family. Still, one and done's are not my favorite. Too much to potentially try to prove individually vs. building as a unit. But, if he's as good as his highlight clips and stats show, I guess I could live with it ;D
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Adam Zagoria
@AdamZagoria
Indiana and Louisville watched @Iam_RawleAlkins go for 51. Heard he could've had 60 if game was a little longer.
Is this a serious quote by Zagoria? I think anyone that has ever scored 51 could've gone for 60 if the game was longer. SMFH.
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Adam Zagoria
@AdamZagoria
Indiana and Louisville watched @Iam_RawleAlkins go for 51. Heard he could've had 60 if game was a little longer.
Is this a serious quote by Zagoria? I think anyone that has ever scored 51 could've gone for 60 if the game was longer. SMFH.
That was a rather wacky quote.
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Adam Zagoria
@AdamZagoria
Indiana and Louisville watched @Iam_RawleAlkins go for 51. Heard he could've had 60 if game was a little longer.
Is this a serious quote by Zagoria? I think anyone that has ever scored 51 could've gone for 60 if the game was longer. SMFH.
That was a rather wacky quote.
And if the game went even longer after that, who knows, he could've gone for 75!
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With Bashir Ahmed in our corner now, what do you think it will take for Rawle to choose the Johnnie over either of the NC schools?
Playing time - check
Mullin / Richmond - check
NYC/MSG/close to family - check
Tourney in Bahamas - check
What seals the deal for is or keeps him in NC for another year before he wants to enter the draft ?
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With Bashir Ahmed in our corner now, what do you think it will take for Rawle to choose the Johnnie over either of the NC schools?
Playing time - check
Mullin / Richmond - check
NYC/MSG/close to family - check
Tourney in Bahamas - check
What seals the deal for is or keeps him in NC for another year before he wants to enter the draft ?
Homesick
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I'm still not on the Rawle is coming train.
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I think we have a lot of things in our favor with Alkins and it seems to be a natural fit. First off as everyone is saying he is homesick and loves NYC. Secondly the team will be much improved next year and adding him to the mix we could be a very deep and dangerous team. He will get all the same playing time and exposure if not more then he would get at NC State and he would get to do it in front of his friends and family. I don't know anything about the kid so I am not going to get ahead of myself but from what everyone says it seems the most logical choice.
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someone posted he was homesick on the rivals board. The original message was what was posted here saying the Christ the King coach was telling people he was miserable in NC and at the prep school. Someone responded stating that was not true, that poster said that he spoke to Alkins personally after a game and he was very happy at the school and the with his prep coach.
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someone posted he was homesick on the rivals board. The original message was what was posted here saying the Christ the King coach was telling people he was miserable in NC and at the prep school. Someone responded stating that was not true, that poster said that he spoke to Alkins personally after a game and he was very happy at the school and the with his prep coach.
Not saying hes definitely homesick but I doubt hes going to going around and telling people that he hates his new school and coach. He may have confided in his old coach whom he knows well. I doubt hes going to open up about not liking NC to a person he doesn't really know, that would be strange.
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I wasn't trying to sway anyone. Just letting you know what I read.
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Adam Zagoria
@AdamZagoria
Indiana and Louisville watched @Iam_RawleAlkins go for 51. Heard he could've had 60 if game was a little longer.
And he could have had a 200 if the game was much longer. Some of the stiff zags writes makes me scratch my head.
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With Bashir Ahmed in our corner now, what do you think it will take for Rawle to choose the Johnnie over either of the NC schools?
Playing time - check
Mullin / Richmond - check
NYC/MSG/close to family - check
Tourney in Bahamas - check
What seals the deal for is or keeps him in NC for another year before he wants to enter the draft ?
Alkins now tweeting that he is talking to coach Miller and coach Book at Zona. Says he's expanded his list from three to nine. Halfway through his senior year! Wow, he must really like that "feeling of being recruited". Must really be "enjoying the process". I wonder if Albany will make the list this time.
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Definitely not favorable and odd that a school would be added back at this point. Being 3/4 across the country doesn't seem to make the case for homesickness being a key factor.
I just don't think this kid wants to be with us for his likely short stint in college.
I
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With Bashir Ahmed in our corner now, what do you think it will take for Rawle to choose the Johnnie over either of the NC schools?
Playing time - check
Mullin / Richmond - check
NYC/MSG/close to family - check
Tourney in Bahamas - check
What seals the deal for is or keeps him in NC for another year before he wants to enter the draft ?
Alkins now tweeting that he is talking to coach Miller and coach Book at Zona. Says he's expanded his list from three to nine. Halfway through his senior year! Wow, he must really like that "feeling of being recruited". Must really be "enjoying the process". I wonder if Albany will make the list this time.
Haha
Albany
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Kid is playing the game, and loves the attention. He clearly wants to be recruited.
I am not expecting him to be a Johhnie.
I am also questioning if he should reconsider his one and done mindset. If he is THAT good, go to Kentucky, prove you are the business, and leave as a 1st rounder. He may be in college longer than he wants to be.
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I'm still not on the Rawle is coming train.
I agree and honestly, don't want the kid.
I think he is exactly what you don't want when building up a program. He only wants to be there a year and he honestly not good enough to be a dominating player as a Freshman.
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Is he better than Ponds, Ellison or
Muss?
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Is he better than Ponds, Ellison or
Muss?
He might be but if his intention is to try and go to NBA after 1 year, he will be trying to showcase himself
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Is he better than Ponds, Ellison or
Muss?
He might be but if his intention is to try and go to NBA after 1 year, he will be trying to showcase himself
Calipari finds a way for it to work having 8 players in that situation almost every year. Surely we can make it work
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Is he better than Ponds, Ellison or
Muss?
He might be but if his intention is to try and go to NBA after 1 year, he will be trying to showcase himself
Calipari finds a way for it to work having 8 players in that situation almost every year. Surely we can make it work
Agree that if he Wants to be here we should be able to make it work, but def can also see how showcasing himself could be to the teams detriment (see Sampson, Jakarr). That being said perhaps Mullin and staff would be better able to appease Rawle w role yet still have the team be the focus.
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Is he better than Ponds, Ellison or
Muss?
He might be but if his intention is to try and go to NBA after 1 year, he will be trying to showcase himself
Calipari finds a way for it to work having 8 players in that situation almost every year. Surely we can make it work
St. John's is not Kentucky, SJU is trying to build up a program and get to the next level... Kentucky is maintaining a level of excellence...
One & done kids can be great but I just don't think Alkins is that type of player, especially with his eyes clearly on the NBA
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Here we go again with the we don't want him sentiments. Yeah sure, we don't want a 5 star player because he might be "showcasing" himself by scoring 20 points a game. My goodness some people are insane.
If Rawle Alkins is here even for one year, the team and program become MUCH better. Alkins would not make this team worse. The fact that he's most likely a one and done shouldn't scare anybody because Kentucky and Duke have been to final 4s and won national championships with those types of players. Now I know we are not those programs but that should be even more of a reason why we should go after this kid.
I'm also not entirely sold on the fact that he's definitely going to be a one and done. He's obviously very good but he's not on the Towns, Okafor or Ben Simmons level where he'd be a guaranteed lottery pick if he left after his freshman season. Whitehead was thought to be a one and done at SHU but he's there for round 2. I don't think its outside the realm of possibility Alkins stays more than one year at whichever college he goes to.
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Hope he comes, but nice to know that this staff isn't putting all it's eggs in one basket. Honestly think we have the best recruiters in the country in Matt & Slice, so Plan B (whatever it is) will be absolutely fine.
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Here we go again with the we don't want him sentiments. Yeah sure, we don't want a 5 star player because he might be "showcasing" himself by scoring 20 points a game. My goodness some people are insane.
If Rawle Alkins is here even for one year, the team and program become MUCH better. Alkins would not make this team worse. The fact that he's most likely a one and done shouldn't scare anybody because Kentucky and Duke have been to final 4s and won national championships with those types of players. Now I know we are not those programs but that should be even more of a reason why we should go after this kid.
I'm also not entirely sold on the fact that he's definitely going to be a one and done. He's obviously very good but he's not on the Towns, Okafor or Ben Simmons level where he'd be a guaranteed lottery pick if he left after his freshman season. Whitehead was thought to be a one and done at SHU but he's there for round 2. I don't think its outside the realm of possibility Alkins stays more than one year at whichever college he goes to.
Agree completely, can in no way hurt the development of the program
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Of course we want him. It's nuts to say we don't want him. It's also to nuts to say we have to get him if we know we have Lovett and Ponds. As far as going pro after one year, he just might but plans can change when you get to college. Lopez couldn't shoot, and he had no idea when to get in the lane against BE competition. So, he stayed put until he learned how.
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We just had a bunch of 4 year starters and upperclassmen with a ton of experience and we backed into the tourney and got waxed in the 1st round. Mix in a top talent and we are in business
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If he's a good kid I don't care if he's 1 and done. Kids with their head on straight will do well wherever they go. If it's a nutcase like whitehead then we stay away.
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Definitely take a kid like Rawle if he wants to come to St. John's. Top 10 national prospects don't come around often, especially for a program with the track record of SJU over last 10 years. As long as he's well behaved off the court it's all upside to having him here for a year minimum.
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Reminds me of Rodney Purvis. Which is pretty damn good but not one and done. Obviously in this case, the NY factor is big.
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http://www.jonperezsports.com/writing/rawle-alkins-update-123015
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http://www.jonperezsports.com/writing/rawle-alkins-update-123015
Thanks... one letter seems to summarize him... " I"
Afraid to count how many times it appeared or a variant of.
But as a 17 yr old highly recruited kid, I get it....and would still be a plus if we landed him but not getting the feel that it's in the cards for us.
Hope Mullin is consistent with his text frequency.... need to be careful about Richmond being mentioned in recruiting context.
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Here we go again with the we don't want him sentiments. Yeah sure, we don't want a 5 star player because he might be "showcasing" himself by scoring 20 points a game. My goodness some people are insane.
I for one am proud to root for a program that is so successful that having NBA players on the roster is a detriment.
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You guys are right... get the best players here no matter their attitude or approach.
It doesn't matter if they fit in with what the coach is trying to create, if they can play, its the staff's job to make it fit.
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You guys are right... get the best players here no matter their attitude or approach.
It doesn't matter if they fit in with what the coach is trying to create, if they can play, its the staff's job to make it fit.
I'm not why you assume that Rawle would not fit in with what the coach is trying to create, if that is in fact what you were assuming. The way I see it, Rawle steps right into the role Durand Johnson currently has and Rawle will be better at that role
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Again heard tonight SJU is much more in play than people think...much more.
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Again heard tonight SJU is much more in play than people think...much more.
Good
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You guys are right... get the best players here no matter their attitude or approach.
It doesn't matter if they fit in with what the coach is trying to create, if they can play, its the staff's job to make it fit.
Rawle is a good student and a great kid. He's not a Whitehead. I think his strengths help fill a lot of our weaker areas--strength, defense, and athletic ability.
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You guys are right... get the best players here no matter their attitude or approach.
It doesn't matter if they fit in with what the coach is trying to create, if they can play, its the staff's job to make it fit.
Rawle is a good student and a great kid. He's not a Whitehead. I think his strengths help fill a lot of our weaker areas--strength, defense, and athletic ability.
You really shouldn't have to try to convince anybody that getting this kid was be a MAJOR positive for the program, but I guess that's the world we live in these days
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You guys are right... get the best players here no matter their attitude or approach.
It doesn't matter if they fit in with what the coach is trying to create, if they can play, its the staff's job to make it fit.
Rawle is a good student and a great kid. He's not a Whitehead. I think his strengths help fill a lot of our weaker areas--strength, defense, and athletic ability.
You really shouldn't have to try to convince anybody that getting this kid was be a MAJOR positive for the program, but I guess that's the world we live in these days
I understand why people are hesitant to take a one and done player because he could mess up the continuity of group that can grow together but when you have the chance to get an top 10-15 recruit you take it and run with it. I haven't heard a bad thing about the kid. Getting a recruit of his stature will only help elevate the program and bring in other top recruits. I hope we get him, we would have a very talented group next year.
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If we can land him, take him. Even if it is for one year. He can play lots of different spots on the floor and could allow us to use lineups with many different looks.
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If we can land him, take him. Even if it is for one year. He can play lots of different spots on the floor and could allow us to use lineups with many different looks.
100%. As a rebuilding program you don't turn away top 10 kids
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Time for Slice and Matt A to earn that check
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If we can land him, take him. Even if it is for one year. He can play lots of different spots on the floor and could allow us to use lineups with many different looks.
100%. As a rebuilding program you don't turn away top 10 kids
Agree, with you and MCN.
Never know.... Maybe, Maker and his crew becomes even more intrigued, if Alkins were to commit to us.
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I'm told by a reliable guy in Canarsie that we still have a legit shot at getting Rawle. I tend to be pessimistic when it comes to STJ hoops, so I put the chances at about 30% he enrolls here.
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Time for Slice and Matt A to earn that check
They have been doing great but this why we got two of the top recruiters in the nation. Would be huge for the program and the staff to get rawle
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Is he really a 1 and done though? I think he will be a great college player, but projecting him 1 and done seems a bit premature.
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Is he really a 1 and done though? I think he will be a great college player, but projecting him 1 and done seems a bit premature.
[/quote Quite prematureIs he really a 1 and done though? I think he will be a great college player, but projecting him 1 and done seems a bit premature.
Very premature, but the world we live in.
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Is he really a 1 and done though? I think he will be a great college player, but projecting him 1 and done seems a bit premature.
It would make him the first power guard in NBA history.
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Rawle's recent statement that he's waiting for his PSAT results so that he can schedule his official visits is confusing. Did he mean SAT results, because he said PSAT a few times? Students generally take the PSAT in 10th or 11th grade as an early predictor of how they may do on the SATs, but PSAT scores don't qualify you to play college ball. The "old format" SAT will be given for the final time next Saturday. After that, the next test will be the "new SAT" on March 5th. Results from that test will take weeks, pushing back scores into April. High school seniors who intend to attend college don't wait until March to take their SATs; they generally have their applications out by Jan. 1st at the latest. I realize that elite athletes get preferential treatment, but is Rawle going to be academically eligible to play college ball anywhere next year?
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Rawle's recent statement that he's waiting for his PSAT results so that he can schedule his official visits is confusing. Did he mean SAT results, because he said PSAT a few times? Students generally take the PSAT in 10th or 11th grade as an early predictor of how they may do on the SATs, but PSAT scores don't qualify you to play college ball. The "old format" SAT will be given for the final time next Saturday. After that, the next test will be the "new SAT" on March 5th. Results from that test will take weeks, pushing back scores into April. High school seniors who intend to attend college don't wait until March to take their SATs; they generally have their applications out by Jan. 1st at the latest. I realize that elite athletes get preferential treatment, but is Rawle going to be academically eligible to play college ball anywhere next year?
He probably meant SAT. Wouldn't read too much into it I'm sure he's doing what he has to do.
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Did he say when he plans on committing?
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all his quotes in the reports kept saying he wouldn't make a decision until as late as possible in spring to see who else gets signed, coaching changes etc.
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Did he say when he plans on committing?
Has consistently said he will wait until late in the spring.
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I trust my man Paultzman more but on 247 sports on the latest predictions two had adkins going to st johns including Jerry Meyers
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I trust my man Paultzman more but on 247 sports on the latest predictions two had adkins going to st johns including Jerry Meyers
That is up for us since the last time I saw.
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Meyer also responded to someone who asked when he is committing that "there are rumblings it could happen sooner rather than later" TIFWIW
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People still look at that Crystal Ball crap?
If I post on here that Thon is really high on SJU like clockwork one of Meyers cronies will change their pick to SJU for Thon.
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Moose- you hear any of the same rumblings sju79 posted?
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People still look at that Crystal Ball crap?
If I post on here that Thon is really high on SJU like clockwork one of Meyers cronies will change their pick to SJU for Thon.
All that proves is the high regard in which you are held in the college basketball community.
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People still look at that Crystal Ball crap?
If I post on here that Thon is really high on SJU like clockwork one of Meyers cronies will change their pick to SJU for Thon.
All that proves is the high regard in which you are held in the college basketball community.
Damn right
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People still look at that Crystal Ball crap?
If I post on here that Thon is really high on SJU like clockwork one of Meyers cronies will change their pick to SJU for Thon.
All that proves is the high regard in which you are held in the college basketball community.
+ 1
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I just want to know hopefully Chris will be recruiting like Coach Cal
He gets the best recruits every year and he actually goes to most of these events in person
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Hello all, although I'm new to the site I've read a lot and have been a St. John's fan since I'm a kid. My family's automobile dealerships are in Queens and I spend all my time there so it is my second home. I look forward to talking with you all about SJU ball. With respect to rawle alkins, I will add that I saw a picture of him today wearing a St. John's hat. Hoping for the best!
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Hello all, although I'm new to the site I've read a lot and have been a St. John's fan since I'm a kid. My family's automobile dealerships are in Queens and I spend all my time there so it is my second home. I look forward to talking with you all about SJU ball. With respect to rawle alkins, I will add that I saw a picture of him today wearing a St. John's hat. Hoping for the best!
Welcome aboard!
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Zag's;
Tomorrow at @bigapplebball St. John's Slice Rohrssen will watch @Iam_RawleAlkins and Seton Hall's Shaheen Holloway will see @Myles_MBP_23
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What is the status of his eligibility?
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"there are rumblings it could happen sooner rather than later" TIFWIW
This just proves that Meyer is totally out of it. He's definitely playing it out to the very end. That's the only thing you can be sure of with this kid. He's not going to verbal to anyone before the spring signing period. No way! And he hasn't even taken any officials yet. "Sooner rather then later"??? Give me a break. This guy has no clue.
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AdamZagoria · Springfield, MA
Word is Chris Mullin and Rick Pitino among those expected today at @bigapplebball for @Iam_RawleAlkins . Slice also.
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AdamZagoria · Springfield, MA
Word is Chris Mullin and Rick Pitino among those expected today at @bigapplebball for @Iam_RawleAlkins . Slice also.
Why Pitino, is Rawle now considering UNLV?
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I've seen others say this before but I think we are serious contenders for Rawle. I started following him on snapchat and although I don't get as many basketball highlights of him as I had hoped, I am seeing a lot of stuff that works in our favor. As I mentioned in my first post, he was sporting a St. John's hat. He was also showing he was pissed off going back to north carolina and he had a photographer going around taking pictures of him in manhattan. Kid loves the limelight and might be taking pictures for an announcement post of his homecoming. This is pure speculation but just sharing what I have been seeing.
Also think we are in great shape for Freudenberg.
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I've seen others say this before but I think we are serious contenders for Rawle. I started following him on snapchat and although I don't get as many basketball highlights of him as I had hoped, I am seeing a lot of stuff that works in our favor. As I mentioned in my first post, he was sporting a St. John's hat. He was also showing he was pissed off going back to north carolina and he had a photographer going around taking pictures of him in manhattan. Kid loves the limelight and might be taking pictures for an announcement post of his homecoming. This is pure speculation but just sharing what I have been seeing.
Also think we are in great shape for Freudenberg.
As I said before, he's definitely considering us. But at the same time, he certainly does not know what he wants to do. He hasn't taken any officials yet and he loves attention. He definitely will NOT verbal before the late signing period in the spring. I have no idea what is going on with Freudenberg.
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I've seen others say this before but I think we are serious contenders for Rawle. I started following him on snapchat and although I don't get as many basketball highlights of him as I had hoped, I am seeing a lot of stuff that works in our favor. As I mentioned in my first post, he was sporting a St. John's hat. He was also showing he was pissed off going back to north carolina and he had a photographer going around taking pictures of him in manhattan. Kid loves the limelight and might be taking pictures for an announcement post of his homecoming. This is pure speculation but just sharing what I have been seeing.
Also think we are in great shape for Freudenberg.
As I said before, he's definitely considering us. But at the same time, he certainly does not know what he wants to do. He hasn't taken any officials yet and he loves attention. He definitely will NOT verbal before the late signing period in the spring. I have no idea what is going on with Freudenberg.
Getting Freudenberg
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I've seen others say this before but I think we are serious contenders for Rawle. I started following him on snapchat and although I don't get as many basketball highlights of him as I had hoped, I am seeing a lot of stuff that works in our favor. As I mentioned in my first post, he was sporting a St. John's hat. He was also showing he was pissed off going back to north carolina and he had a photographer going around taking pictures of him in manhattan. Kid loves the limelight and might be taking pictures for an announcement post of his homecoming. This is pure speculation but just sharing what I have been seeing.
Also think we are in great shape for Freudenberg.
As I said before, he's definitely considering us. But at the same time, he certainly does not know what he wants to do. He hasn't taken any officials yet and he loves attention. He definitely will NOT verbal before the late signing period in the spring. I have no idea what is going on with Freudenberg.
Getting Freudenberg
I don't doubt you for a second, but if its such a sure thing why doesn't he just verbal already?
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I've seen others say this before but I think we are serious contenders for Rawle. I started following him on snapchat and although I don't get as many basketball highlights of him as I had hoped, I am seeing a lot of stuff that works in our favor. As I mentioned in my first post, he was sporting a St. John's hat. He was also showing he was pissed off going back to north carolina and he had a photographer going around taking pictures of him in manhattan. Kid loves the limelight and might be taking pictures for an announcement post of his homecoming. This is pure speculation but just sharing what I have been seeing.
Also think we are in great shape for Freudenberg.
As I said before, he's definitely considering us. But at the same time, he certainly does not know what he wants to do. He hasn't taken any officials yet and he loves attention. He definitely will NOT verbal before the late signing period in the spring. I have no idea what is going on with Freudenberg.
You putting on that reverse jinx?
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Have no fear Baldi will post tomorrow that he is transferring
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Have no fear Baldi will post tomorrow that he is transferring
Never said anyone was transferring.
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I've seen others say this before but I think we are serious contenders for Rawle. I started following him on snapchat and although I don't get as many basketball highlights of him as I had hoped, I am seeing a lot of stuff that works in our favor. As I mentioned in my first post, he was sporting a St. John's hat. He was also showing he was pissed off going back to north carolina and he had a photographer going around taking pictures of him in manhattan. Kid loves the limelight and might be taking pictures for an announcement post of his homecoming. This is pure speculation but just sharing what I have been seeing.
Also think we are in great shape for Freudenberg.
As I said before, he's definitely considering us. But at the same time, he certainly does not know what he wants to do. He hasn't taken any officials yet and he loves attention. He definitely will NOT verbal before the late signing period in the spring. I have no idea what is going on with Freudenberg.
Getting Freudenberg
I don't doubt you for a second, but if its such a sure thing why doesn't he just verbal already?
Shortly perhaps. Would you rather he wait until the Spring? :)
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I've seen others say this before but I think we are serious contenders for Rawle. I started following him on snapchat and although I don't get as many basketball highlights of him as I had hoped, I am seeing a lot of stuff that works in our favor. As I mentioned in my first post, he was sporting a St. John's hat. He was also showing he was pissed off going back to north carolina and he had a photographer going around taking pictures of him in manhattan. Kid loves the limelight and might be taking pictures for an announcement post of his homecoming. This is pure speculation but just sharing what I have been seeing.
Also think we are in great shape for Freudenberg.
As I said before, he's definitely considering us. But at the same time, he certainly does not know what he wants to do. He hasn't taken any officials yet and he loves attention. He definitely will NOT verbal before the late signing period in the spring. I have no idea what is going on with Freudenberg.
Getting Freudenberg
I don't doubt you for a second, but if its such a sure thing why doesn't he just verbal already?
Shortly perhaps. Would you rather he wait until the Spring? :)
But why why why
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Have no fear Baldi will post tomorrow that he is transferring
Never said anyone was transferring.
No, you just insinuated.
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I've seen others say this before but I think we are serious contenders for Rawle. I started following him on snapchat and although I don't get as many basketball highlights of him as I had hoped, I am seeing a lot of stuff that works in our favor. As I mentioned in my first post, he was sporting a St. John's hat. He was also showing he was pissed off going back to north carolina and he had a photographer going around taking pictures of him in manhattan. Kid loves the limelight and might be taking pictures for an announcement post of his homecoming. This is pure speculation but just sharing what I have been seeing.
Also think we are in great shape for Freudenberg.
As I said before, he's definitely considering us. But at the same time, he certainly does not know what he wants to do. He hasn't taken any officials yet and he loves attention. He definitely will NOT verbal before the late signing period in the spring. I have no idea what is going on with Freudenberg.
You putting on that reverse jinx?
If it was possible for me to do that, Dave, I would do it.
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http://www.timesledger.com/stories/2016/4/alkinsrecruit_2016_01_22_q.html
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http://www.timesledger.com/stories/2016/4/alkinsrecruit_2016_01_22_q.html
Dismisses biggest (only) reason he would have for coming here.
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http://www.timesledger.com/stories/2016/4/alkinsrecruit_2016_01_22_q.html
Dismisses biggest (only) reason he would have for coming here.
I dont think he's coming, but if thats all you took from the article, you are reading selectively (and negatively).
"While Alkins has adjusted to life in North Carolina, where there’s more isolation than he is used to, he is still a city kid at heart. His family has made the trip down a few times to watch him play and check in. He joked that there are times when there is nothing to do down there and he is bored."
Someone could read that and think he wants to play in a city. Also what kid wants to admit they are homesick, if they are?
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http://www.timesledger.com/stories/2016/4/alkinsrecruit_2016_01_22_q.html
Dismisses biggest (only) reason he would have for coming here.
I dont think he's coming, but if thats all you took from the article, you are reading selectively (and negatively).
"While Alkins has adjusted to life in North Carolina, where there’s more isolation than he is used to, he is still a city kid at heart. His family has made the trip down a few times to watch him play and check in. He joked that there are times when there is nothing to do down there and he is bored."
Someone could read that and think he wants to play in a city. Also what kid wants to admit they are homesick, if they are?
Don't think he is coming here either but nothing in that article is new or a negative to St. John's. He talks about not being at home because even if he goes to St. John's he will be living on campus and not at home much while also traveling a lot during the season. This doesn't change my view of the situation at all.
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http://www.timesledger.com/stories/2016/4/alkinsrecruit_2016_01_22_q.html
Dismisses biggest (only) reason he would have for coming here.
I dont think he's coming, but if thats all you took from the article, you are reading selectively (and negatively).
"While Alkins has adjusted to life in North Carolina, where there’s more isolation than he is used to, he is still a city kid at heart. His family has made the trip down a few times to watch him play and check in. He joked that there are times when there is nothing to do down there and he is bored."
Someone could read that and think he wants to play in a city. Also what kid wants to admit they are homesick, if they are?
He listed us with a bunch of programs much better than us. While it was always a long shot in order to have any hope you need him to say 'I love NY and want to stay close to home, my family and friends". He said the exact opposite which takes away SJU only advantage.
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http://www.timesledger.com/stories/2016/4/alkinsrecruit_2016_01_22_q.html
Dismisses biggest (only) reason he would have for coming here.
I dont think he's coming, but if thats all you took from the article, you are reading selectively (and negatively).
"While Alkins has adjusted to life in North Carolina, where there’s more isolation than he is used to, he is still a city kid at heart. His family has made the trip down a few times to watch him play and check in. He joked that there are times when there is nothing to do down there and he is bored."
Someone could read that and think he wants to play in a city. Also what kid wants to admit they are homesick, if they are?
He listed us with a bunch of programs much better than us. While it was always a long shot in order to have any hope you need him to say 'I love NY and want to stay close to home, my family and friends". He said the exact opposite which takes away SJU only advantage.
This guy wants the attention. Even if he KNOWS its St Johns now, he would make generic statements to keep suspense high. He probably knows he's X other school now and is doing same thing, but this article suggested nothing new that reduces our chances in my mind. I give us about a 13.5% chance. Slightly better than the 1/11 we have if you just count the schools he lists.
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http://www.timesledger.com/stories/2016/4/alkinsrecruit_2016_01_22_q.html
Dismisses biggest (only) reason he would have for coming here.
I dont think he's coming, but if thats all you took from the article, you are reading selectively (and negatively).
"While Alkins has adjusted to life in North Carolina, where there’s more isolation than he is used to, he is still a city kid at heart. His family has made the trip down a few times to watch him play and check in. He joked that there are times when there is nothing to do down there and he is bored."
Someone could read that and think he wants to play in a city. Also what kid wants to admit they are homesick, if they are?
He listed us with a bunch of programs much better than us. While it was always a long shot in order to have any hope you need him to say 'I love NY and want to stay close to home, my family and friends". He said the exact opposite which takes away SJU only advantage.
This guy wants the attention. Even if he KNOWS its St Johns now, he would make generic statements to keep suspense high. He probably knows he's X other school now and is doing same thing, but this article suggested nothing new that reduces our chances in my mind. I give us about a 13.5% chance. Slightly better than the 1/11 we have if you just count the schools he lists.
Only get kids like that if they want to stay home over all else or they will be eligibility risk and we take a shot on them.
For the record I am looking forward to Ponds / Lovett backcourt anyway so makes no never mind to me.
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http://www.timesledger.com/stories/2016/4/alkinsrecruit_2016_01_22_q.html
Dismisses biggest (only) reason he would have for coming here.
I dont think he's coming, but if thats all you took from the article, you are reading selectively (and negatively).
"While Alkins has adjusted to life in North Carolina, where there’s more isolation than he is used to, he is still a city kid at heart. His family has made the trip down a few times to watch him play and check in. He joked that there are times when there is nothing to do down there and he is bored."
Someone could read that and think he wants to play in a city. Also what kid wants to admit they are homesick, if they are?
He listed us with a bunch of programs much better than us. While it was always a long shot in order to have any hope you need him to say 'I love NY and want to stay close to home, my family and friends". He said the exact opposite which takes away SJU only advantage.
This guy wants the attention. Even if he KNOWS its St Johns now, he would make generic statements to keep suspense high. He probably knows he's X other school now and is doing same thing, but this article suggested nothing new that reduces our chances in my mind. I give us about a 13.5% chance. Slightly better than the 1/11 we have if you just count the schools he lists.
Only get kids like that if they want to stay home over all else or they will be eligibility risk and we take a shot on them.
For the record I am looking forward to Ponds / Lovett backcourt anyway so makes no never mind to me.
Louie was a master of getting players who left either for juco or elsewhere to come back home. Rawle has already left, so the novelty MAY (or may not) have worn off. I think we have a better chance at Rawle because he left already. Hopefully the wanderlust is gone now.
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I think the one thing that sticks out is that he is going to miss games in order to take his officials. If I was a team mate/coach it would bother me.
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We will land Rawle as long as Louisville doesn't come hard at him.
He looks like a one-and-done now, but his age (no clue what it is) will play a big role. Sometimes older and more developed kids can dominate high school, but the competition catches up to them (Felipe Lopez).
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We will land Rawle as long as Louisville doesn't come hard at him.
He looks like a one-and-done now, but his age (no clue what it is) will play a big role. Sometimes older and more developed kids can dominate high school, but the competition catches up to them (Felipe Lopez).
Is this a gut feeling or inside info that you think we are in such a strong position to land him? Even if he is something slightly less then advertised he will still be an impact player and a huge recruit for how the program is viewed.
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We will land Rawle as long as Louisville doesn't come hard at him.
He looks like a one-and-done now, but his age (no clue what it is) will play a big role. Sometimes older and more developed kids can dominate high school, but the competition catches up to them (Felipe Lopez).
Is this a gut feeling or inside info that you think we are in such a strong position to land him? Even if he is something slightly less then advertised he will still be an impact player and a huge recruit for how the program is viewed.
More than a gut feeling but less than conclusive inside info.
I think he has to be a one-and-done or he could stick around four years like Le'Bryan Nash, who was a consensus top ten recruit that spent nearly two years as a projected lottery pick only to fall out of the first round in mocks at the end of his freshman year and entirely out of mock drafts by the end of his soph season.
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We will land Rawle as long as Louisville doesn't come hard at him.
And Jenna Jameson would be a virgin if all those guys hadn't banged her.
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I think the one thing that sticks out is that he is going to miss games in order to take his officials. If I was a team mate/coach it would bother me.
Believe I read where his team plays like a million gains so I would be surprised if some of his teammates weren't in the same boat.
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We will land Rawle as long as Louisville doesn't come hard at him.
And Jenna Jameson would be a virgin if all those guys hadn't banged her.
Anything is possible
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Born-again_virgin
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Looks like we have yet another St. John's crystal ball prediction. Makes it 4 in a row for us. I know the crystal ball can be a lot of bullshit but maybe they're seeing what I am. Hope so and still feeling confident about landing him.
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Looks like we have yet another St. John's crystal ball prediction. Makes it 4 in a row for us. I know the crystal ball can be a lot of bullshit but maybe they're seeing what I am. Hope so and still feeling confident about landing him.
The last time I looked we were at 5% and we are now 2nd place with 21%. Hope where there's smoke......
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Looks like we have yet another St. John's crystal ball prediction. Makes it 4 in a row for us. I know the crystal ball can be a lot of bullshit but maybe they're seeing what I am. Hope so and still feeling confident about landing him.
The last time I looked we were at 5% and we are now 2nd place with 21%. Hope where there's smoke......
I wonder what information these guys have or think they have. With 4 people picking us there must be something out there. I don't trust these predictions because they can change them and don't have to justify their choice but maybe there's something to it.
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Means very little if anything. Briscoe and his father told numerous people he was coming and then two weeks later went to Kentucky. Of course, it doesn't mean he won't end up with us either.
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Visiting Arizona on an "unofficial" tomorrow.
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Per his Twitter, official visit this weekend. Close the deal Slice!
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If the staff can get this kind of commitment, I think it could set off a domino effect.
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Long way to go, but at least SJU is in it.
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http://nypost.com/2016/01/29/st-johns-hosting-the-guard-who-can-turn-program-around/
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For all the doubters who felt Rawle is just "stringing us along", with a list of 10/11, it would have been easy to not take an official on St. John's because he goes home to NYC anyway. By taking one of five officials to visit us, I think we should be confident that we are in the running, perhaps only a 10-20% chance, maybe even less, but definitely are not just a token mention to the formerly local school.
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Ponds needs to help out a bit here
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If Alvarado didn't have the SNY Invational, and Moses Brown/Cole Anthony didn't have their Molloy obligations, St.John's would be hosting each one of the premier CHSSA players this wknd. Sprinkle in the PSAL's best in Ponds as well.
Between Rawle, Rich, Duvall, Thon, BIlly Preston, Hamidou Diallo and some unknowns one or more of these guys are going to team up and be on this campus next fall.
How many times have Sid and Tucker been on campus since this staff started recruiting them? Much respect to Matt and Slice.
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Noticed that Rawle and walk-on Dial are close. Wonder if that had anything to do with his late addition. BTW I actually think he looks like he can play. Nice size and doesnt move like a walk-on out there.
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Noticed that Rawle and walk-on Dial are close. Wonder if that had anything to do with his late addition. BTW I actually think he looks like he can play. Nice size and doesnt move like a walk-on out there.
Cousin.
I alluded to this awhile back when people harped on playing Holifield.
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Speaking with a Rens board member Rawlie loved Arizona and he believes the Carolina schools are fading if not out all together. What he see's on the court vs Nova mean nothing...its his conversations with coaches, interaction with team and how much he misses being home(which is A LOT). He's best bet is kid really will come to SJU. Also went on a tirade about how crazy the Heron situation played...
As an aside what is the "crystal Ball"? Thanks
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Speaking with a Rens board member Rawlie loved Arizona and he believes the Carolina schools are fading if not out all together. What he see's on the court vs Nova mean nothing...its his conversations with coaches, interaction with team and how much he misses being home(which is A LOT). He's best bet is kid really will come to SJU. Also went on a tirade about how crazy the Heron situation played...
As an aside what is the "crystal Ball"? Thanks
Thanks for the info 79. Crystal ball is a feature on 247sports where recruiting experts predict (guess) where a kid is going to go. Means next to nothing
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Also went on a tirade about how crazy the Heron situation played...
Thanks
Would it be possible to elaborate on what that could possibly mean? Does it have anything to do with SEC boosters?
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I just feel he fell love with Arizona and he will wind up there
I always think how different things would been if Fran wasn't so nutty
I think he was the best recruiter we ever had
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I just feel he fell love with Arizona and he will wind up there
I always think how different things would been if Fran wasn't so nutty
I think he was the best recruiter we ever had
Hope you're wrong about Zona, Schleppy!
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Also went on a tirade about how crazy the Heron situation played...
Thanks
Would it be possible to elaborate on what that could possibly mean? Does it have anything to do with SEC boosters?
Of course it did... You were on top of this from the start Willie G... Nice work. ;)
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Im not a fan of throwing around accusations of illegal recruiting accusations nor am I naive enough to believe they don't exist. I would never throw anything like that out there if I knew it to be true so no that was not my implication ..What I should have said is the Rens people were VERY involved in his recruitment as well as providing support academically and guidance and NOBODY there had EVER heard Auburn.
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Im not a fan of throwing around accusations of illegal recruiting accusations nor am I naive enough to believe they don't exist. I would never throw anything like that out there if I knew it to be true..What I should have said is the Rens people were VERY involved in his recruitment as well as providing support academically and guidance and NOBODY there had EVER heard Auburn.
Dave mentioned the word loyalty recently when talking about Heron. Or lack thereof.
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Im not a fan of throwing around accusations of illegal recruiting accusations nor am I naive enough to believe they don't exist. I would never throw anything like that out there if I knew it to be true..What I should have said is the Rens people were VERY involved in his recruitment as well as providing support academically and guidance and NOBODY there had EVER heard Auburn.
Well it is Bruce Pearl after all. He's already been busted once by the NCAA and he was good enough on ESPN where he will always have that to fall back on should the NCAA drop the hammer on him again
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Didn't know Abdul Dial was Rawle's cousin. Wonder how that factors in at all.
So much to take place on the official visit, but I hope that aside from the usual pitches Mullin can really make a personal connection about growing up in Brooklyn and Akins being on same path to stardom and being a loved hometown legend.
Hmmm. Fancy dinner at Rao's or does perhaps a roast beef sandwich at Brennan & Carr's ?
Even if a longshot.. this official visit is important.
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.@Iam_RawleAlkins dropped 38 points, 12 rebounds and 8 assists tonight in a homecoming win at Word of God. ✈️ St. John's official today.
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https://www.sny.tv/college-recruiting/news/rawle-alkins-taking-first-official-to-st-johns-slice-watches-trevon-duval/163150808
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Arizona and Louisville will scare me if they came hard at him. The good news is that Alkins didn't play well when Pitino saw him the other day and Arizona doesn't wait on anybody to fill up their roster.
I am not worried about UNC or NC State.
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Arizona and Louisville will scare me if they came hard at him. The good news is that Alkins didn't play well when Pitino saw him the other day and Arizona doesn't wait on anybody to fill up their roster.
I am not worried about UNC or NC State.
I'm sure Pitino was fooled by a rare off game by a top 20 player and was scared off. ::)
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can they take him to the knick game so he can go into Golden State locker room and talk to curry and company
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can they take him to the knick game so he can go into Golden State locker room and talk to curry and company
I'm sure Mullins' Warriors connections will come in handy tomorrow.
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Arizona and Louisville will scare me if they came hard at him. The good news is that Alkins didn't play well when Pitino saw him the other day and Arizona doesn't wait on anybody to fill up their roster.
I am not worried about UNC or NC State.
I'm sure Pitino was fooled by a rare off game by a top 20 player and was scared off. ::)
I think you are taking what I wrote too far. I didn't write that he was scared off...just that it was probably a good thing that Rawle was VERY off and human on that given day. Rawle doesn't seem like the kid of guard Pitino goes after very hard and I'll accept any factor that doesn't entice Pitino to make an exception.
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Speaking with a Rens board member Rawlie loved Arizona and he believes the Carolina schools are fading if not out all together. What he see's on the court vs Nova mean nothing...its his conversations with coaches, interaction with team and how much he misses being home(which is A LOT). He's best bet is kid really will come to SJU. Also went on a tirade about how crazy the Heron situation played...
As an aside what is the "crystal Ball"? Thanks
Rena guy saying SJU is his "best bet" right now?
I can live with that. I still think Rawle is a longshot. But that's encouraging to hear.
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I think Rawle saw the good shots the wings were getting in the Nova game , but just not making. They were getting layups out of the offense, but not finishing. I think he saw what he could do for us. He would fit into this offense. If anyone saw the Nova game; what did you think?
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I am only basing 0ff what I have seen this season. Including today. I have no idea how the future players perform but right now we need an alpha male. A Nba type player. All the best teams have them. If aikins is that kid and staff believes he will be, then I believe that's what we try to get.
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I am only basing 0ff what I have seen this season. Including today. I have no idea how the future players perform but right now we need an alpha male. A Nba type player. All the best teams have them. If aikins is that kid and staff believes he will be, then I believe that's what we try to get.
My bet your on the same page as CM
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If he wants to be the main man he would come to sju
if he just want to be one of the pieces then he will go to Arizona
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Our Rawle chants were good
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This is the first home game I miss this year but both tv announcers said it was just matter of time before they turned it around
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If he wants to be the main man he would come to sju
if he just want to be one of the pieces then he will go to Arizona
The ST John's sales pitch for last 20 years
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If he wants to be the main man he would come to sju
if he just want to be one of the pieces then he will go to Arizona
The ST John's sales pitch for last 20 years
And they come, hoist up tons of shots, don't fit the 'team' concept and leave.
Solid gameplan.
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https://twitter.com/gittykl/status/694011731237036032
Looks like Chris Mullin did take him to the Warriors game after the Nova game. I hope he also sat with Melo and talked about coming back home
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaJQ7pYWcAANaDa.jpg)
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaJQ7pYWcAANaDa.jpg)
And Kerr went to Zona haha
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CaJQ7pYWcAANaDa.jpg)
And Kerr went to Zona haha
damnit somebody always has to rain on the parade
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If he wants to be the main man he would come to sju
if he just want to be one of the pieces then he will go to Arizona
The ST John's sales pitch for last 20 years
And they come, hoist up tons of shots, don't fit the 'team' concept and leave.
Solid gameplan.
I think that pitch bit Lavin in the ass...that combined with his pushover handling of the players and the inability to make up for some of that with good coaching was a recipe for disaster. This is just anecdotal, but I get the sense Mullin won't play any games and will never be reduced to babysitting or dealing with divas. It will probably cost us a good player here and there to transfer but it should really set the right tone.
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If he wants to be the main man he would come to sju
if he just want to be one of the pieces then he will go to Arizona
The ST John's sales pitch for last 20 years
And they come, hoist up tons of shots, don't fit the 'team' concept and leave.
Solid gameplan.
I think that pitch bit Lavin in the ass...that combined with his pushover handling of the players and the inability to make up for some of that with good coaching was a recipe for disaster. This is just anecdotal, but I get the sense Mullin won't play any games and will never be reduced to babysitting or dealing with divas. It will probably cost us a good player here and there to transfer but it should really set the right tone.
I slightly disagree. I don't think Mullin will be reduced to babysitting divas either but I think he has a much better chance of getting players like that to buy in. I think players like that will respect Mullin and Richmond's criticisms because they've made it to the league and know what NBA teams are looking for in players. I think that goes a long way when it comes to an elite recruit buying in to the team concept. Now it may not have worked for a kid like Rysheed who was just unreachable but I think it would work for a kid like Alkins who seems very coachable for a player of his status
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Matt and Slice will develop the long term relationships and Mullin will be the closer. With today's players you do have to show a lot of love.
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Seemed like the visit went really well. Do people still think we have no shot at Rawle still?
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If he wants to be the main man he would come to sju
if he just want to be one of the pieces then he will go to Arizona
The ST John's sales pitch for last 20 years
And they come, hoist up tons of shots, don't fit the 'team' concept and leave.
Solid gameplan.
I think that pitch bit Lavin in the ass...that combined with his pushover handling of the players and the inability to make up for some of that with good coaching was a recipe for disaster. This is just anecdotal, but I get the sense Mullin won't play any games and will never be reduced to babysitting or dealing with divas. It will probably cost us a good player here and there to transfer but it should really set the right tone.
Correct. But at that point hopefully we'd built the program back so that it's viability will not depend on any one player.
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Seemed like the visit went really well. Do people still think we have no shot at Rawle still?
I think everyone has been saying all along we are in the mix. Some people have in fact said we might be the favorite. I would imagine the visit went well but we won't know what he is thinking until he commits. There will be a lot of competition and who knows that he's thinking but we have a shot.
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Hopefully he qualifies.
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Hopefully he qualifies.
the kiss of death..
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Hopefully he qualifies.
Real chance he doesn't.
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Anyone of the mindset that we wouldn't take him if there is a real chance he doesn't qualify? My view is that a high profile commit from a kid like Rawle helps us big time at this stage, and if we get him on campus as a partial, a la Lovett, it will be a really good thing.
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Anyone know the reason why? In order to take officials he needed to get a qualifying test score, right? 3 years at ctk and he may not qualify?
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Anyone of the mindset that we wouldn't take him if there is a real chance he doesn't qualify? My view is that a high profile commit from a kid like Rawle helps us big time at this stage, and if we get him on campus as a partial, a la Lovett, it will be a really good thing.
I really doubt a "one and done" type player would want to sit around a year on a campus...though I guess Enes Kanter did a few years back
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we're getting him.
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we're getting him.
Based on what?
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we're getting him.
Based on what?
High Hopes
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High hopes for sure I'm no insider but I think anyone who sees his activity on social media can agree. Just choosing to be more optimistic and confident from what I have personally read into the whole situation. I'm not an insider by any means and I know his recruitment is not ending today or anything but I just honestly think we're way ahead of everyone else right now. Also wondering why so many people are so pessimistic on our chances at landing these top guys...yes our program is in the dump right now but that was fully expected. We literally had to field a team from scratch and we have an unbelievable staff right now. I think we should start getting used to unbelievable recruiting classes with Mullin, Slice, Matt A., Richmond. We're NYC's college team with dream team experience. We're gonna be dope again and I don't want to be a pessimist cause I think from here on out we're gonna love what we're gonna see. Oh and for whatever its worth (I know to a lot of you this is worth nothing and you're probably right) but I'm gonna take the optimistic route cause that crystal ball thing is up to 32% for us but 5 of those 6 picks are from the 1st through 5th top experts on the website. So if they're each right on average about 70+% of the time and they all now have him going to st. johns I'm thinking that can't be a bad sign. I say I think he is coming based more on what I see on his social media but things could change.
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agreed
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I think we have a descent shot. But getting him is phase 1, qualifying is phase 2. And for him to suit up as a Johnny ,you need both phases.
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Not sure if this was posted
http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2015/09/11/rawle-alkins-five-star-new-york-city-word-god
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Not sure if this was posted
http://www.si.com/college-basketball/2015/09/11/rawle-alkins-five-star-new-york-city-word-god
Like the way he wants to represent NY and has so much family here. What better thing than to come back to NY for a year or two before heading off to the NBA and who knows where? Maybe some how ends up with Knicks or Nets if those dumb ass front offices ever reverse the trend and start acquiring draft picks instead of trading them.
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Question for those who watch a lot of hs and aau ball ..... how does he compare to Whitehead and Briscoe in terms of talent and future ?
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Question for those who watch a lot of hs and aau ball ..... how does he compare to Whitehead and Briscoe in terms of talent and future ?
I think the biggest difference between Alkins and Briscoe compared to Whitehead is what they have mentally. I think all three are best suited for Robin instead of Batman, but Whitehead won't consider that for a second. It's too early to tell how he'll fair in college, but I'd expect Alkins to be a "whatever it takes" kind of player instead of one that comes in with a list of demands and is wiling to spend four year trying to hammer a square peg into a round hole.
FWIW, I think in a pure one-on-one scenario, Ponds would school all three.
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Question for those who watch a lot of hs and aau ball ..... how does he compare to Whitehead and Briscoe in terms of talent and future ?
I think the biggest difference between Alkins and Briscoe compared to Whitehead is what they have mentally. I think all three are best suited for Robin instead of Batman, but Whitehead won't consider that for a second. It's too early to tell how he'll fair in college, but I'd expect Alkins to be a "whatever it takes" kind of player instead of one that comes in with a list of demands and is wiling to spend four year trying to hammer a square peg into a round hole.
FWIW, I think in a pure one-on-one scenario, Ponds would school all three.
That mental assessment, and willingness to be a cog in a machine is probably just as important as any physical skill.
Even the best HS kids end up being role players as pros. And that's if they're lucky.
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FWIW, I think in a pure one-on-one scenario, Ponds would school all three.
By the way, I generally defer to you on recruiting because I think you watch a lot more games than I do.
But I don't know how you come away thinking that Ponds is a better player one on one than Whitehead, Briscoe, or Alkins. I don't see that.
Whitehead and Alkins especially are physical beasts. They can go to the rim and drive through contact. That's rare
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Question for those who watch a lot of hs and aau ball ..... how does he compare to Whitehead and Briscoe in terms of talent and future ?
Take him over whitehead. Not over briscoe. Just my opinion
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In terms of pure talent, I actually like Whitehead better. He's a little more athletic and his shot was a lot more advanced then Alkins shot is at the same stage. The problem with Whitehead is he is somewhat immature, and I sort of mean that euphemistically.
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And Alkins is a higher level talent then Ponds. Virtually nobody "in the know" would dispute this.
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Paultzman who do you think we have a better chance with Adkins, Maker or the Freeks little brother
Do you think we can get one of them
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Paultzman who do you think we have a better chance with Adkins, Maker or the Freeks little brother
Do you think we can get one of them
No clue. Moose is much closer to those three situations than me.
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Thanks as always you going to the game tomorrow.
You think its going to be six against five tomorrow
chris doesn't get any respect from the refs
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In terms of pure talent, I actually like Whitehead better. He's a little more athletic and his shot was a lot more advanced then Alkins shot is at the same stage. The problem with Whitehead is he is somewhat immature, and I sort of mean that euphemistically.
You think whitehead is more athletic than Rawle?
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In terms of pure talent, I actually like Whitehead better. He's a little more athletic and his shot was a lot more advanced then Alkins shot is at the same stage. The problem with Whitehead is he is somewhat immature, and I sort of mean that euphemistically.
You think whitehead is more athletic than Rawle?
Different. Both strong as hell.
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In terms of pure talent, I actually like Whitehead better. He's a little more athletic and his shot was a lot more advanced then Alkins shot is at the same stage. The problem with Whitehead is he is somewhat immature, and I sort of mean that euphemistically.
You think whitehead is more athletic than Rawle?
Slightly, yes. Whitehead is no lower then mid first round this year. His game was ahead of Rawle's at this stage. If he didn't hurt himself with character issues last year, the proper risk adjusted advice, would have been for him to enter the draft, because players get drafted on potential. But he has definitely helped himself tremendously this year.
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Whitehead has been playing great lately.. Lot more unselfish. Putting it together...
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In terms of pure talent, I actually like Whitehead better. He's a little more athletic and his shot was a lot more advanced then Alkins shot is at the same stage. The problem with Whitehead is he is somewhat immature, and I sort of mean that euphemistically.
You think whitehead is more athletic than Rawle?
Slightly, yes. Whitehead is no lower then mid first round this year. His game was ahead of Rawle's at this stage. If he didn't hurt himself with character issues last year, the proper risk adjusted advice, would have been for him to enter the draft, because players get drafted on potential. But he has definitely helped himself tremendously this year.
Very doubtful he's a mid first rounder this year. Undrafted is much more likely than getting selected 16th.
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Mid 2nd
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Are the Rawle posts now in the Whitehead thread ?
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In terms of pure talent, I actually like Whitehead better. He's a little more athletic and his shot was a lot more advanced then Alkins shot is at the same stage. The problem with Whitehead is he is somewhat immature, and I sort of mean that euphemistically.
You think whitehead is more athletic than Rawle?
Slightly, yes. Whitehead is no lower then mid first round this year. His game was ahead of Rawle's at this stage. If he didn't hurt himself with character issues last year, the proper risk adjusted advice, would have been for him to enter the draft, because players get drafted on potential. But he has definitely helped himself tremendously this year.
Very doubtful he's a mid first rounder this year. Undrafted is much more likely than getting selected 16th.
You haven't been watching him lately. This MCD AA is a mid first rounder, if for no other reason it is a weak draft.
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Zach B tweet response today on Alkins eligibility question;
"yeah strong buzz is he may not be eligible"
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Zach B tweet response today on Alkins eligibility question;
"yeah strong buzz is he may not be eligible"
Of course. Now I'm confident we land him.
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It's been the buzz for months. Best not to focus too much on this one, unfortunately
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In terms of pure talent, I actually like Whitehead better. He's a little more athletic and his shot was a lot more advanced then Alkins shot is at the same stage. The problem with Whitehead is he is somewhat immature, and I sort of mean that euphemistically.
You think whitehead is more athletic than Rawle?
Slightly, yes. Whitehead is no lower then mid first round this year. His game was ahead of Rawle's at this stage. If he didn't hurt himself with character issues last year, the proper risk adjusted advice, would have been for him to enter the draft, because players get drafted on potential. But he has definitely helped himself tremendously this year.
Very doubtful he's a mid first rounder this year. Undrafted is much more likely than getting selected 16th.
You haven't been watching him lately. This MCD AA is a mid first rounder, if for no other reason it is a weak draft.
I watch him 1-2 nights a week. He's definitely improved and is playing at an All Big East level. Still would be very surprised if he's a mid first this year.
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Eligible questions or not, you keep going hard at Rawle. One, getting a recruit of his stature, at this point, generates great buzz for the program, especially with the NYC connection. Second, you can always hope that at worst this turns into a Lovett situation where we get him on campus and with the program for a year.
Because we've landed Ahmed, RF and Ponds - and with Lovett and Owens coming back - you can take a chance on Rawle. This isn't the Lavin "all eggs in one basket" scenario we saw play out the last few years of his tenure.
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If he decides to go to St. Johns the NCAA will make sure he is not eligible if he choses Arizona or UNC the NCAA will say he is qualified
Just look the infractions the Cuse got if it was St Johns the penalty would have been doubled
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Eligible questions or not, you keep going hard at Rawle. One, getting a recruit of his stature, at this point, generates great buzz for the program, especially with the NYC connection. Second, you can always hope that at worst this turns into a Lovett situation where we get him on campus and with the program for a year.
Because we've landed Ahmed, RF and Ponds - and with Lovett and Owens coming back - you can take a chance on Rawle. This isn't the Lavin "all eggs in one basket" scenario we saw play out the last few years of his tenure.
Sure, the staff should keep pursuing him for the first reason that you gave. I am just suggesting that we as fans should put little to no weight into him ever playing a game for us
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Eligible questions or not, you keep going hard at Rawle. One, getting a recruit of his stature, at this point, generates great buzz for the program, especially with the NYC connection. Second, you can always hope that at worst this turns into a Lovett situation where we get him on campus and with the program for a year.
Because we've landed Ahmed, RF and Ponds - and with Lovett and Owens coming back - you can take a chance on Rawle. This isn't the Lavin "all eggs in one basket" scenario we saw play out the last few years of his tenure.
Sure, the staff should keep pursuing him for the first reason that you gave. I am just suggesting that we as fans should put little to no weight into him ever playing a game for us
Agree, wpc. I'll repeat here what I said on the other board.... Alkins could commit to us, as a partial qualifier, and then turn pro (without ever playing a game).
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I feel like if he didn't play one game that would reaaaallly hurt his draft stock. Think he's gotta play one season, no?
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If he comes he will play at least one season, even if he is only a partial qualifier. He is a guard and guards are never drafted on potential out of HS. He needs to show he can do it on the D-1 level. Thon Maker situation is different.
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Eligible questions or not, you keep going hard at Rawle. One, getting a recruit of his stature, at this point, generates great buzz for the program, especially with the NYC connection. Second, you can always hope that at worst this turns into a Lovett situation where we get him on campus and with the program for a year.
Because we've landed Ahmed, RF and Ponds - and with Lovett and Owens coming back - you can take a chance on Rawle. This isn't the Lavin "all eggs in one basket" scenario we saw play out the last few years of his tenure.
Sure, the staff should keep pursuing him for the first reason that you gave. I am just suggesting that we as fans should put little to no weight into him ever playing a game for us
Agree, wpc. I'll repeat here what I said on the other board.... Alkins could commit to us, as a partial qualifier, and then turn pro (without ever playing a game).
Didn't that happen a couple years back with PC
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Eligible questions or not, you keep going hard at Rawle. One, getting a recruit of his stature, at this point, generates great buzz for the program, especially with the NYC connection. Second, you can always hope that at worst this turns into a Lovett situation where we get him on campus and with the program for a year.
Because we've landed Ahmed, RF and Ponds - and with Lovett and Owens coming back - you can take a chance on Rawle. This isn't the Lavin "all eggs in one basket" scenario we saw play out the last few years of his tenure.
Sure, the staff should keep pursuing him for the first reason that you gave. I am just suggesting that we as fans should put little to no weight into him ever playing a game for us
Agree, wpc. I'll repeat here what I said on the other board.... Alkins could commit to us, as a partial qualifier, and then turn pro (without ever playing a game).
Didn't that happen a couple year back with PC
Ricky Ledo Syndrome :)
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If he comes he will play at least one season, even if he is only a partial qualifier. He is a guard and guards are never drafted on potential out of HS. He needs to show he can do it on the D-1 level. Thon Maker situation is different.
Truth. Guards need at least one year in D1 to be drafted on potential. They need that one year to show they have that potential. Look up Lenny Cooke for example.
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If he comes he will play at least one season, even if he is only a partial qualifier. He is a guard and guards are never drafted on potential out of HS. He needs to show he can do it on the D-1 level. Thon Maker situation is different.
Truth. Guards need at least one year in D1 to be drafted on potential. They need that one year to show they have that potential. Look up Lenny Cooke for example.
Additionally, Alkins needs to prove that his advanced age and body are not the primary reasons for much of his success. He could very easily find himself playing four years on college otherwise.
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FWIW, I think in a pure one-on-one scenario, Ponds would school all three.
By the way, I generally defer to you on recruiting because I think you watch a lot more games than I do.
But I don't know how you come away thinking that Ponds is a better player one on one than Whitehead, Briscoe, or Alkins. I don't see that.
Whitehead and Alkins especially are physical beasts. They can go to the rim and drive through contact. That's rare
I think all three are better suited for the next level because of their size, but Ponds is a slippery, crafty f*ck with a much better shot than all of them and a midrange game. That is a tough combination to defend. I think he'd make them all look silly more often than the other way around. The other guys can have bigger impacts on the game in other areas like the glass and defending multiple positions, but give me Ponds one on one with the clock winding down any day. And I really like Briscoe.
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If he comes he will play at least one season, even if he is only a partial qualifier. He is a guard and guards are never drafted on potential out of HS. He needs to show he can do it on the D-1 level. Thon Maker situation is different.
Truth. Guards need at least one year in D1 to be drafted on potential. They need that one year to show they have that potential. Look up Lenny Cooke for example.
Additionally, Alkins needs to prove that his advanced age and body are not the primary reasons for much of his success. He could very easily find himself playing four years on college otherwise.
If Rawle commits to us and leaves before ever playing a game that would be a terrible decision for him. It very well could happen if he is a partial qualifier but hopefully he would have someone with some brains to advise him against that. Teams want to see him play against men that are his size and his strength. It's not like he's a lock for a top 5-10 pick next year as it is so if he never played college ball be hard to see him as anything other then a second rounder.
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@AdamZagoria
Rawle Alkins to Visit UNLV for Second Official
https://www.sny.tv/college-recruiting/news/rawle-alkins-to-visit-unlv-for-second-official/163951290?tcid=tw_article_163951290 … @Iam_RawleAlkins @Joshua_Newman @jacklegwin
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How would you guys react if Lav took the UNLV coaching job next season and Rawle committed to him?
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How would you guys react if Lav took the UNLV coaching job next season and Rawle committed to him?
Hope we schedule a home and home.
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How would you guys react if Lav took the UNLV coaching job next season and Rawle committed to him?
If it happened Good for Lavin. Guy can recruit when he needs too, we know that.
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How would you guys react if Lav took the UNLV coaching job next season and Rawle committed to him?
Lavin is the guy who never paid him attention in the first place.
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Lets say Alkins is a partial qualifier. What would stop him from doing a Brandon Jennings and playing a year in Europe? Or following Mudiay to play a year in China? These kids have options.
Both guys were top 10 draft picks
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Lets say Alkins is a partial qualifier. What would stop him from doing a Brandon Jennings and playing a year in Europe? Or following Mudiay to play a year in China? These kids have options.
Both guys were top 10 draft picks
Not sure why more kids don't go that route. Getting paid to play in the year between high school and the draft when you have that option just makes more sense than going to college when you have no intention of staying 4 years anyway. Wonder if that'll ever begin to pick up steam
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Unlikely he goes that route. He doesn't seem to like leaving NY let alone the country. Going to be veryyyyy interesting to see what happens.
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Lets say Alkins is a partial qualifier. What would stop him from doing a Brandon Jennings and playing a year in Europe? Or following Mudiay to play a year in China? These kids have options.
Both guys were top 10 draft picks
Not sure why more kids don't go that route. Getting paid to play in the year between high school and the draft when you have that option just makes more sense than going to college when you have no intention of staying 4 years anyway. Wonder if that'll ever begin to pick up steam
Free housing, basketball practice squad, food, parties and no shortage of college girls vs. Spending some of your own cash, in strange country that has language you don't know and food you may not like.....
I'd go college.
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Adam Zagoria
After taking an unofficial to Arizona late last month, Rawle Alkins will begin an official visit to the Pac-12 school this weekend.
Rawle racking up frequent flyer points.
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Zach B:
"Think this is first time I've ever been blocked by an athlete @Iam_RawleAlkins. Doesn't like the qualifying rumors"
"It's a well known fact in recruiting circles @Iam_RawleAlkins is a major question mark to be eligible."
Oh boy.
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More Zach B;
"I wonder how @Iam_RawleAlkins got courtside seats to Knicks-Warriors at MSG recently for entire family? Wasn't from a college."
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Suggestion is that questions about Rawle's eligibility stem not from academic issues but from improper benefits, possibly from a shoe company.
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More Zach B;
"I wonder how @Iam_RawleAlkins got courtside seats to Knicks-Warriors at MSG recently for entire family? Wasn't from a college."
Childish and uncalled for. He's a teenager, Zach, and all he did was block you after you announced his private details to the world based on hearsay. You think you can write whatever you want about someone carte blanche but can't take a perceived slight from Lavin or even a high school student like Alkins without making them your sworn enemy?
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More Zach B;
"I wonder how @Iam_RawleAlkins got courtside seats to Knicks-Warriors at MSG recently for entire family? Wasn't from a college."
Childish and uncalled for. He's a teenager, Zach, and all he did was block you after you announced his private details to the world based on hearsay. You think you can write whatever you want about someone carte blanche but can't take a perceived slight from Lavin or even a high school student like Alkins without making them your sworn enemy?
Like I've been saying for years, Zach is an entitled POS. He's part of the new age of "journalism" that publishes brash headlines for clicks and pageviews while facts and getting the story right are secondary. These "journalists" will slander anybody for pageviews but once somebody fires back at them they crawl into their little hole and play the victim
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More Zach B;
"I wonder how @Iam_RawleAlkins got courtside seats to Knicks-Warriors at MSG recently for entire family? Wasn't from a college."
Childish and uncalled for. He's a teenager, Zach, and all he did was block you after you announced his private details to the world based on hearsay. You think you can write whatever you want about someone carte blanche but can't take a perceived slight from Lavin or even a high school student like Alkins without making them your sworn enemy?
Agree with you there, Marillac. He continues to show his true colors.
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More Zach B;
"I wonder how @Iam_RawleAlkins got courtside seats to Knicks-Warriors at MSG recently for entire family? Wasn't from a college."
Childish and uncalled for. He's a teenager, Zach, and all he did was block you after you announced his private details to the world based on hearsay. You think you can write whatever you want about someone carte blanche but can't take a perceived slight from Lavin or even a high school student like Alkins without making them your sworn enemy?
Agree with you there, Marillac. He continues to show his true colors.
Yeah, sometimes things are better left unsaid.
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What is zach b's deal?
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What is zach b's deal?
I'll take a stab at this one. Likely some combination of the following:
small penis, the disappoint that sets in when he realizes he has to stalk and suck up to teens for scoops, he's tired of people mistaking him for Jared Fogle--it was cool a few years ago when he scored some free meatball marinara foot longs but not so much after the recent events, covering athletes in their primes serves as a perpetual reminder of his shortcomings in both physical appearance and physical talent, his hairline is retreating faster than him during a physical confrontation in high school, he's pissed about always sounding like he has a clothespin clamped on his nose when he talks, and no, Google, he doesn't intend on searching "how to get rid of man boobs" every time he starts a search with "ho".
Or maybe it's as simple as starting fights behind a keyboard with people that could tear him limb from limb in person but that he knows can't respond without causing serious harm to their future makes him feel as alive as he did as a kid when he would yell insults to his peers and then run in his house and lock the door?
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My sense is this incident aside, Rawle won't be coming here & with all the eligibility concerns, I am quite ok moving on.
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My sense is this incident aside, Rawle won't be coming here & with all the eligibility concerns, I am quite ok moving on.
+1
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What is zach b's deal?
I'll take a stab at this one. Likely some combination of the following:
small penis, the disappoint that sets in when he realizes he has to stalk and suck up to teens for scoops, he's tired of people mistaking him for Jared Fogle--it was cool a few years ago when he scored some free meatball marinara foot longs but not so much after the recent events, covering athletes in their primes serves as a perpetual reminder of his shortcomings in both physical appearance and physical talent, his hairline is retreating faster than him during a physical confrontation in high school, he's pissed about always sounding like he has a clothespin clamped on his nose when he talks, and no, Google, he doesn't intend on searching "how to get rid of man boobs" every time he starts a search with "ho".
Or maybe it's as simple as starting fights behind a keyboard with people that could tear him limb from limb in person but that he knows can't respond without causing serious harm to their future makes him feel as alive as he did as a kid when he would yell insults to his peers and then run in his house and lock the door?
This sounds just like a few posters from the SJU community (JJ & RM.com)..
Stalk all over kids Twitter accts, watch their every move and then rip them apart when something not positive for SJU happens - then have loud & brave mouths at the keyboard and say things they would NEVER say to another posters face.
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Yeah I figure the staff will back off. I mean this staff doesn't have to recruit players with eligibility concerns.
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PMG that is no different than the posters on any message boards, college hoops, sports-related, or otherwise.
What is zach b's deal?
I'll take a stab at this one. Likely some combination of the following:
small penis, the disappoint that sets in when he realizes he has to stalk and suck up to teens for scoops, he's tired of people mistaking him for Jared Fogle--it was cool a few years ago when he scored some free meatball marinara foot longs but not so much after the recent events, covering athletes in their primes serves as a perpetual reminder of his shortcomings in both physical appearance and physical talent, his hairline is retreating faster than him during a physical confrontation in high school, he's pissed about always sounding like he has a clothespin clamped on his nose when he talks, and no, Google, he doesn't intend on searching "how to get rid of man boobs" every time he starts a search with "ho".
Or maybe it's as simple as starting fights behind a keyboard with people that could tear him limb from limb in person but that he knows can't respond without causing serious harm to their future makes him feel as alive as he did as a kid when he would yell insults to his peers and then run in his house and lock the door?
This sounds just like a few posters from the SJU community (JJ & RM.com)..
Stalk all over kids Twitter accts, watch their every move and then rip them apart when something not positive for SJU happens - then have loud & brave mouths at the keyboard and say things they would NEVER say to another posters face.
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In contrast to his viciously adversarial relationship with Lavin, Zach B has been practically a fanboy since CM and staff took over. Has given us tons of positive press in an otherwise dreadful year on the court. That said, it's unprofessional of him to get in a twitter war with an 18 year old potential recruit and his family, and it certainly doesn't help the staff reel in Rawle if the guy who covers the team for the NY Post is seen as smearing him and engaging in personal attacks. Someone on staff needs to have a talk with Zach B. immediately.
Maybe the rumors re. Rawle's eligibility are out there, but Zach crossed a line here and needs to apologize to Rawle and family.
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My sense is this incident aside, Rawle won't be coming here & with all the eligibility concerns, I am quite ok moving on.
+1
Concur.
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What is zach b's deal?
I'll take a stab at this one. Likely some combination of the following:
small penis, the disappoint that sets in when he realizes he has to stalk and suck up to teens for scoops, he's tired of people mistaking him for Jared Fogle--it was cool a few years ago when he scored some free meatball marinara foot longs but not so much after the recent events, covering athletes in their primes serves as a perpetual reminder of his shortcomings in both physical appearance and physical talent, his hairline is retreating faster than him during a physical confrontation in high school, he's pissed about always sounding like he has a clothespin clamped on his nose when he talks, and no, Google, he doesn't intend on searching "how to get rid of man boobs" every time he starts a search with "ho".
Or maybe it's as simple as starting fights behind a keyboard with people that could tear him limb from limb in person but that he knows can't respond without causing serious harm to their future makes him feel as alive as he did as a kid when he would yell insults to his peers and then run in his house and lock the door?
This sounds just like a few posters from the SJU community (JJ & RM.com)..
Stalk all over kids Twitter accts, watch their every move and then rip them apart when something not positive for SJU happens - then have loud & brave mouths at the keyboard and say things they would NEVER say to another posters face.
Agree.
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Zach didn't need to touch on any of this.
But did he say anything that wasn't true? The f-ing system is broken.
Sure zach was petty, and media like him exacerbate the problem. Players aren't innocent in this. Fans stalk kids on twitter. Coaches are only out for themselves. and agents and shoe companies prey on these kids.
But all these forces are set in motion by the NCAA's stupid freaking rules. They create an underground market for these players' services.
I love college basketball. But we are the only country in the world that attaches amateur athletics with secondary education.
If Rawle played hockey in canada or soccer overseas, or even baseball here to an extent ... he would go pro and that would be the end of it. Sign whatever contract you want with Nike. Don't want to go to class? OK. The Cinnicnnatti Redbirds couldn't care less what you did in HS. And the media wouldn't be dingle berries hanging from his ass hair everywhere he went. Because his future would be obvious.. workout in the minors until you're ready for the bigs. Then we'll start caring about you more intensely.
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†his is a bad and really unfortunate situation in more than one level
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I love college basketball. But we are the only country in the world that attaches amateur athletics with secondary education.
Secondary Education is high school, not college...
The kids today don't have to go to college - they can take their chances in Europe, try the League or sit out and work out. Going to college on an athletic scholarship is not their right and whether we think the system is broken or not, it's a privilege that comes with some requirements
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Could this incident have any effect on Zach B's job or is this not an issue as far as the Post would be concerned? Seems like he went way over the line here and can't imagine even the Post is thrilled about that when it relates to a high school athlete...
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With the new heading, I implore WASJU to do a Marillac v. Braziller tale of the tape...stat!
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Could this incident have any effect on Zach B's job or is this not an issue as far as the Post would be concerned? Seems like he went way over the line here and can't imagine even the Post is thrilled about that when it relates to a high school athlete...
He really did go way too far. We've seen so many talented players in this area have their lives ruined by the NCAA and/or making the wrong choice about when to declare. Publicly accusing Alkins pretty much forces the NCAA to at least sniff around. He's a journalist and not just a poster.
The irony is that he killed Lavin at every opportunity for not recruiting Alkins. I doubt we'll see an apology for that or hit this if he's wrong. No NYC kid or coach should ever speak to Zach after this.
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Where did the marillac v. braziller thread go?
That nasally pedofile-looking Magic the Gathering f*ck talked himself into something I'm not going to let him out of. He wants to be an intermet gangster then he needs to face the consequences. I'll come up from Florida if he signs a waiver and knows in advance I'm 235 and jacked because I'm not going to travel all that way just for him to sh*t his pants when be sees me and realizes his karate lessons as a nerdy fourth grader are useless. And he has to agree to it being taped so I can send it to Rawle and Lavin and post it on JJ. And no gloves. You leave this somewhere conspicuous on the site nap everyone can see what a p*ssy he is and if he wants out he has to get on his puffy fat-rolled knee caps and apologize to me, Rawle, and Lavin and change his Twitter photo to Jared from subway.
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Does Zach post on this site? What is his name?
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Does Zach post on this site? What is his name?
Guess he is not Marillac. :)
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Could this incident have any effect on Zach B's job or is this not an issue as far as the Post would be concerned? Seems like he went way over the line here and can't imagine even the Post is thrilled about that when it relates to a high school athlete...
He really did go way too far. We've seen so many talented players in this area have their lives ruined by the NCAA and/or making the wrong choice about when to declare. Publicly accusing Alkins pretty much forces the NCAA to at least sniff around. He's a journalist and not just a poster.
The irony is that he killed Lavin at every opportunity for not recruiting Alkins. I doubt we'll see an apology for that or hit this if he's wrong. No NYC kid or coach should ever speak to Zach after this.
No NYC kid or coach should have ever talked to that idiot for some of the crap he's pulled in the past
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Could this incident have any effect on Zach B's job or is this not an issue as far as the Post would be concerned? Seems like he went way over the line here and can't imagine even the Post is thrilled about that when it relates to a high school athlete...
He really did go way too far. We've seen so many talented players in this area have their lives ruined by the NCAA and/or making the wrong choice about when to declare. Publicly accusing Alkins pretty much forces the NCAA to at least sniff around. He's a journalist and not just a poster.
The irony is that he killed Lavin at every opportunity for not recruiting Alkins. I doubt we'll see an apology for that or hit this if he's wrong. No NYC kid or coach should ever speak to Zach after this.
Right or wrong, most coaches will not do what you suggest. He is the only game in town & those coaches will always cherish attention.
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More than a few heavily respected names and contributors to this site are suggesting we should be going in another direction regarding Alkins. Is this true? Should Slice and Matty A pack up the tents and move on to the rebounder/back court depth we may be needing? Or, should we stay the course and hang in there with Alkins?
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More than a few heavily respected names and contributors to this site are suggesting we should be going in another direction regarding Alkins. Is this true? Should Slice and Matty A pack up the tents and move on to the rebounder/back court depth we may be needing? Or, should we stay the course and hang in there with Alkins?
I don't know anything of the situation but I trust Matt and Slice will make the right decision regarding this. They won't waste their time on him if he's not interested in coming and/or they think he won't qualify
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Paultzman - so you think they will sign adkins or maker
The staff tries so hard but do you see this staff have ever be able to convince a top ten recruit to commit to SJU
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Maybe certain staff members shouldn't be feeding him practically everything he puts out there.
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More than a few heavily respected names and contributors to this site are suggesting we should be going in another direction regarding Alkins. Is this true? Should Slice and Matty A pack up the tents and move on to the rebounder/back court depth we may be needing? Or, should we stay the course and hang in there with Alkins?
I don't know anything of the situation but I trust Matt and Slice will make the right decision regarding this. They won't waste their time on him if he's not interested in coming and/or they think he won't qualify
Thank you sir
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More than a few heavily respected names and contributors to this site are suggesting we should be going in another direction regarding Alkins. Is this true? Should Slice and Matty A pack up the tents and move on to the rebounder/back court depth we may be needing? Or, should we stay the course and hang in there with Alkins?
I don't know anything of the situation but I trust Matt and Slice will make the right decision regarding this. They won't waste their time on him if he's not interested in coming and/or they think he won't qualify
Kinda like the last staff did
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Maybe certain staff members shouldn't be feeding him practically everything he puts out there.
+1
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More than a few heavily respected names and contributors to this site are suggesting we should be going in another direction regarding Alkins. Is this true? Should Slice and Matty A pack up the tents and move on to the rebounder/back court depth we may be needing? Or, should we stay the course and hang in there with Alkins?
I don't know anything of the situation but I trust Matt and Slice will make the right decision regarding this. They won't waste their time on him if he's not interested in coming and/or they think he won't qualify
True
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What went wrong with this recruit everything seem so positive after his official
Now we have no chance with Adkins
They stop because of him not qualifying
Everybody knows if Adkins goes to Arizona and UNC the NCAA will look the other way.
But if he decided on SJU the NCAA will look at all his transcripts from 1st grade.
I just cant believe all the time and if they spent they just gave up
Do you think this staff will ever get a top ten recruit to committ
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Alkins
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Maybe if Adkins goes to Arizona we will have a better shot for Alkins.
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Maybe if Adkins goes to Arizona we will have a better shot for Alkins.
Young man you can have a bright future around here
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More than a few heavily respected names and contributors to this site are suggesting we should be going in another direction regarding Alkins. Is this true? Should Slice and Matty A pack up the tents and move on to the rebounder/back court depth we may be needing? Or, should we stay the course and hang in there with Alkins?
I don't know anything of the situation but I trust Matt and Slice will make the right decision regarding this. They won't waste their time on him if he's not interested in coming and/or they think he won't qualify
Maybe it's best for us to say that Matt and Slice don't know who will qualify.
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I don't think we gave up. I think he didn't like being booed after his poor performance when he came home. I think he liked the idea of coming home and being a legend..at first. I think he thinks zach screwed him up on twitter cause now his situation is out on social media and has been talked about to the point where NCAA has to investigate. I think he now thinks he has a better shot at qualifying at a bigger, more established current program and he now may wuss out on the chance of becoming a true king of NY.
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Do you think this staff will ever get a top ten recruit to committ
Never...we should all root for Kentucky...
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Maybe certain staff members shouldn't be feeding him practically everything he puts out there.
Maybe rumors are being spread so some schools back off
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Maybe certain staff members shouldn't be feeding him practically everything he puts out there.
Maybe rumors are being spread so some schools back off
Now THAT would be amazing and a f'ing genius tactic.
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I'll come up from Florida if he signs a waiver
Waivers are totally gangster.
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I guess Dave was right
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It's not just Braziler. Others have been leery about Rawle's recruitment on these boards and others. I'm perfectly comfortable moving past him, and grabbing a 5 th year guy or whatever we need. We already have a great recruiting class. We don't need a circus here. I'm confident that Mullin, Slice and Matt know as much as they need to, to make an informed decision on the direction to take, regardless of whether this stuff is rumor or not.
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It's not just Braziler. Others have been leery about Rawle's recruitment on these boards and others. I'm perfectly comfortable moving past him, and grabbing a 5 th year guy or whatever we need. We already have a great recruiting class. We don't need a circus here. I'm confident that Mullin, Slice and Matt know as much as they need to, to make an informed decision on the direction to take, regardless of whether this stuff is rumor or not.
+1
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It's not just Braziler. Others have been leery about Rawle's recruitment on these boards and others. I'm perfectly comfortable moving past him, and grabbing a 5 th year guy or whatever we need. We already have a great recruiting class. We don't need a circus here. I'm confident that Mullin, Slice and Matt know as much as they need to, to make an informed decision on the direction to take, regardless of whether this stuff is rumor or not.
+1
I'm not a fan of 5th year transfers, not in the Big East. These Freshmen are getting a ton of experience, they won't need on court leadership from elsewhere for a 1 year stint
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It's not just Braziler. Others have been leery about Rawle's recruitment on these boards and others. I'm perfectly comfortable moving past him, and grabbing a 5 th year guy or whatever we need. We already have a great recruiting class. We don't need a circus here. I'm confident that Mullin, Slice and Matt know as much as they need to, to make an informed decision on the direction to take, regardless of whether this stuff is rumor or not.
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I'm not a fan of 5th year transfers, not in the Big East. These Freshmen are getting a ton of experience, they won't need on court leadership from elsewhere for a 1 year stint
but a 5th yr player can be better than a reach of a recruit who might not be productive for years if at all when you are recruiting at the end of the cycle
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Depends on the guy, Baldi. I don't see anymore Mvoika or even Durand situations on the horizon. But a player like Lee or a qualify 5th year PG transfer? That would fit the bill for sure.
It's not just Braziler. Others have been leery about Rawle's recruitment on these boards and others. I'm perfectly comfortable moving past him, and grabbing a 5 th year guy or whatever we need. We already have a great recruiting class. We don't need a circus here. I'm confident that Mullin, Slice and Matt know as much as they need to, to make an informed decision on the direction to take, regardless of whether this stuff is rumor or not.
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I'm not a fan of 5th year transfers, not in the Big East. These Freshmen are getting a ton of experience, they won't need on court leadership from elsewhere for a 1 year stint
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It's not just Braziler. Others have been leery about Rawle's recruitment on these boards and others. I'm perfectly comfortable moving past him, and grabbing a 5 th year guy or whatever we need. We already have a great recruiting class. We don't need a circus here. I'm confident that Mullin, Slice and Matt know as much as they need to, to make an informed decision on the direction to take, regardless of whether this stuff is rumor or not.
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I'm not a fan of 5th year transfers, not in the Big East. These Freshmen are getting a ton of experience, they won't need on court leadership from elsewhere for a 1 year stint
Maybe not a Mvoika, but there are guys like Sterling Gibbs, Damion Lee etc... Yes. It all depends on the player. A very good one can be a cog for a year while we have a very young team developing, or even can play a role of some type depending on the player. There is little to lose with grad transfers.
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It's not just Braziler. Others have been leery about Rawle's recruitment on these boards and others. I'm perfectly comfortable moving past him, and grabbing a 5 th year guy or whatever we need. We already have a great recruiting class. We don't need a circus here. I'm confident that Mullin, Slice and Matt know as much as they need to, to make an informed decision on the direction to take, regardless of whether this stuff is rumor or not.
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I'm not a fan of 5th year transfers, not in the Big East. These Freshmen are getting a ton of experience, they won't need on court leadership from elsewhere for a 1 year stint
Maybe not a Mvoika, but there are guys like Sterling Gibbs, Damion Lee etc... Yes. It all depends on the player. A very good one can be a cog for a year while we have a very young team developing, or even can play a role of some type depending on the player. There is little to lose with grad transfers.
I'd take a graduating starting pg from Ivy or Patriot Leagues, even if the guy is mid major level talent.
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5th year guy will only take time away from our future. At what position does it make sense to add someone? Maybe PG, only if Lovett isn't here
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What about a monster rebounder, who clogs the middle....gets 5 good defensive fouls.....spells Sima, Yakwe, and Owens for foul trouble or injury and can hit his own foul shots. Creighton picked up someone like that this year. A guy like that would also make practice tougher for our guys.
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What about a monster rebounder, who clogs the middle....gets 5 good defensive fouls.....spells Sima, Yakwe, and Owens for foul trouble or injury and can hit his own foul shots. Creighton picked up someone like that this year. A guy like that would also make practice tougher for our guys.
Amar
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5th year guy will only take time away from our future. At what position does it make sense to add someone? Maybe PG, only if Lovett isn't here
Generally I agree that 5th year transfers don't offer much. Usually their impact is overrated.
But it's not like we have a ton of scoring options. Even if everybody pans out for next season.
So if theres a 2 guard or wing out there who can shoot and or get to the rim... I'd look into that. Like a Quincy Roberts type if things were reversed.
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5th year guy will only take time away from our future. At what position does it make sense to add someone? Maybe PG, only if Lovett isn't here
Depends on the guy. Need some experience everywhere, so long as it's a good player. Sterling Gibbs type.
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Can someone give me some examples of 5th year transfers that came into the Big East and made a noticeable difference? Serious question
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Can someone give me some examples of 5th year transfers that came into the Big East and made a noticeable difference? Serious question
Gordon has been a terrific addition for Seton Hall this year.
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It's not just Braziler. Others have been leery about Rawle's recruitment on these boards and others. I'm perfectly comfortable moving past him, and grabbing a 5 th year guy or whatever we need. We already have a great recruiting class. We don't need a circus here. I'm confident that Mullin, Slice and Matt know as much as they need to, to make an informed decision on the direction to take, regardless of whether this stuff is rumor or not.
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I'm not a fan of 5th year transfers, not in the Big East. These Freshmen are getting a ton of experience, they won't need on court leadership from elsewhere for a 1 year stint
Maybe not a Mvoika, but there are guys like Sterling Gibbs, Damion Lee etc... Yes. It all depends on the player. A very good one can be a cog for a year while we have a very young team developing, or even can play a role of some type depending on the player. There is little to lose with grad transfers.
They need to choose my wisely this time. We understand that it wasn't an option for this season, but if we add a grad transfer, it needs to be a guy who is ready to play. The freshman are learning at a much slower pace because we have two grad transfers who play like dainty girls. The team needs a leader.
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Can someone give me some examples of 5th year transfers that came into the Big East and made a noticeable difference? Serious question
Not the Big East, but Lucas led Oklahoma St. to the Final Four the year after transferring from Baylor after the murder. Wichita St. has also done well recently with them. Butler made it to the Sweet 16 last year with Etherington and Lyons led Arizona to the sweet 16 a few years back.
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Can someone give me some examples of 5th year transfers that came into the Big East and made a noticeable difference? Serious question
Not the Big East, but Lucas led Oklahoma St. to the Final Four the year after transferring from Baylor after the murder. Wichita St. has also done well recently with them. Butler made it to the Sweet 16 last year with Etherington and Lyons led Arizona to the sweet 16 a few years back.
Lee and Lewis from Louisville are two of their better players, someone mentioned Gibbs as well. I agree if you are going to bring in someone just to be a "leader" and eat minutes then we don't need that but if we can find an impact player then I am all for it. A guard who can shoot 3's and play defense or a rebounding big would help us for next year.
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Is SJU officially out of the Alkins recruitment
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Can someone give me some examples of 5th year transfers that came into the Big East and made a noticeable difference? Serious question
Not the Big East, but Lucas led Oklahoma St. to the Final Four the year after transferring from Baylor after the murder. Wichita St. has also done well recently with them. Butler made it to the Sweet 16 last year with Etherington and Lyons led Arizona to the sweet 16 a few years back.
Lee and Lewis from Louisville are two of their better players, someone mentioned Gibbs as well. I agree if you are going to bring in someone just to be a "leader" and eat minutes then we don't need that but if we can find an impact player then I am all for it. A guard who can shoot 3's and play defense or a rebounding big would help us for next year.
I would think that 5th year guys that are worth a damn, are looking to get to March. We are a ways away. 2 years
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At what position does it make sense to add someone?
At what position does it make sense to add someone ... to the team that's lost 15 games in a row? No one, we're set.
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We could use a 5th year kid who is an amazing athlete position doesn't matter. Ron and Durand are not terrible basketball players. But they are not great athletes. It they could have defended better and scored an occasional transition point, we could have looked better this year.
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If Ron M was your 5th year player added to be on the bench serving a role to come in and be set up to shoot 3's maybe 10 15 minutes a game on a team that had more talent in their top 7 players would anyone be upset with a Ron type that came here for a year ?
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Can someone give me some examples of 5th year transfers that came into the Big East and made a noticeable difference? Serious question
Not the Big East, but Lucas led Oklahoma St. to the Final Four the year after transferring from Baylor after the murder. Wichita St. has also done well recently with them. Butler made it to the Sweet 16 last year with Etherington and Lyons led Arizona to the sweet 16 a few years back.
Lee and Lewis from Louisville are two of their better players, someone mentioned Gibbs as well. I agree if you are going to bring in someone just to be a "leader" and eat minutes then we don't need that but if we can find an impact player then I am all for it. A guard who can shoot 3's and play defense or a rebounding big would help us for next year.
I would think that 5th year guys that are worth a damn, are looking to get to March. We are a ways away. 2 years
Yes, which is why I don't think we are going to be in the hunt for a top 5th year transfer this offseason. Eli Carter is really the only decent one to go to a team with no chance of playing in March but that's probably because they told him they'd let him shoot half of the team's shots which is what he is basically doing
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At what position does it make sense to add someone?
At what position does it make sense to add someone ... to the team that's lost 15 games in a row? No one, we're set.
With 2 fifth year guys
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At what position does it make sense to add someone?
At what position does it make sense to add someone ... to the team that's lost 15 games in a row? No one, we're set.
With 2 fifth year guys
Who are charitably not very good. Next year's roster will have Owens, who has not played in a year; Williams, who has not played in a year; Lovett, who has not played in a year; Ahmed, who has never played D1; two freshmen; 4 sophomores who've so far lost 15 games in a row; and two upperclassmen who have shown essentially nothing in 6 years combined. If you don't think that roster could use some experience, I don't know what to tell you.
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At what position does it make sense to add someone?
At what position does it make sense to add someone ... to the team that's lost 15 games in a row? No one, we're set.
With 2 fifth year guys
Who are charitably not very good. Next year's roster will have Owens, who has not played in a year; Williams, who has not played in a year; Lovett, who has not played in a year; Ahmed, who has never played D1; two freshmen; 4 sophomores who've so far lost 15 games in a row; and two upperclassmen who have shown essentially nothing in 6 years combined. If you don't think that roster could use some experience, I don't know what to tell you.
Experience is on the court. Not watching a Patriot league 5th year senior get your minutes.
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Is SJU officially out of the Alkins recruitment
What would be official about that if he doesn't sign with another school?
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At what position does it make sense to add someone?
At what position does it make sense to add someone ... to the team that's lost 15 games in a row? No one, we're set.
With 2 fifth year guys
Who are charitably not very good. Next year's roster will have Owens, who has not played in a year; Williams, who has not played in a year; Lovett, who has not played in a year; Ahmed, who has never played D1; two freshmen; 4 sophomores who've so far lost 15 games in a row; and two upperclassmen who have shown essentially nothing in 6 years combined. If you don't think that roster could use some experience, I don't know what to tell you.
Experience is on the court. Not watching a Patriot league 5th year senior get your minutes.
Hence why we want a impact player as a 5th year guy. If there are none out there for us then so be it but there are usually some and we should go after them. Granted the better teams with more to offer in terms of expectations will have a better shot but still worth a try to go after them.
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At what position does it make sense to add someone?
At what position does it make sense to add someone ... to the team that's lost 15 games in a row? No one, we're set.
With 2 fifth year guys
Who are charitably not very good. Next year's roster will have Owens, who has not played in a year; Williams, who has not played in a year; Lovett, who has not played in a year; Ahmed, who has never played D1; two freshmen; 4 sophomores who've so far lost 15 games in a row; and two upperclassmen who have shown essentially nothing in 6 years combined. If you don't think that roster could use some experience, I don't know what to tell you.
Experience is on the court. Not watching a Patriot league 5th year senior get your minutes.
Hence why we want a impact player as a 5th year guy. If there are none out there for us then so be it but there are usually some and we should go after them. Granted the better teams with more to offer in terms of expectations will have a better shot but still worth a try to go after them.
Which is why I asked for examples of 5th year transfers into the Big East that made a good impact
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At what position does it make sense to add someone?
At what position does it make sense to add someone ... to the team that's lost 15 games in a row? No one, we're set.
With 2 fifth year guys
Who are charitably not very good. Next year's roster will have Owens, who has not played in a year; Williams, who has not played in a year; Lovett, who has not played in a year; Ahmed, who has never played D1; two freshmen; 4 sophomores who've so far lost 15 games in a row; and two upperclassmen who have shown essentially nothing in 6 years combined. If you don't think that roster could use some experience, I don't know what to tell you.
Experience is on the court. Not watching a Patriot league 5th year senior get your minutes.
Hence why we want a impact player as a 5th year guy. If there are none out there for us then so be it but there are usually some and we should go after them. Granted the better teams with more to offer in terms of expectations will have a better shot but still worth a try to go after them.
Which is why I asked for examples of 5th year transfers into the Big East that made a good impact
That's a pretty restrictive criteria. How long has the rule been effect, three years or something? Louisville is adding a 5th year transfer this year. Evidently Rick Pitino thinks it could have a good impact in the ACC, on a team that's a perennial national championship contender in the best league in the country. Probably though a gritty 7-27 Saint John's team couldn't.
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At what position does it make sense to add someone?
At what position does it make sense to add someone ... to the team that's lost 15 games in a row? No one, we're set.
With 2 fifth year guys
Who are charitably not very good. Next year's roster will have Owens, who has not played in a year; Williams, who has not played in a year; Lovett, who has not played in a year; Ahmed, who has never played D1; two freshmen; 4 sophomores who've so far lost 15 games in a row; and two upperclassmen who have shown essentially nothing in 6 years combined. If you don't think that roster could use some experience, I don't know what to tell you.
Experience is on the court. Not watching a Patriot league 5th year senior get your minutes.
Hence why we want a impact player as a 5th year guy. If there are none out there for us then so be it but there are usually some and we should go after them. Granted the better teams with more to offer in terms of expectations will have a better shot but still worth a try to go after them.
Which is why I asked for examples of 5th year transfers into the Big East that made a good impact
That's a pretty restrictive criteria. How long has the rule been effect, three years or something? Louisville is adding a 5th year transfer this year. Evidently Rick Pitino thinks it could have a good impact in the ACC, on a team that's a perennial national championship contender in the best league in the country. Probably though a gritty 7-27 Saint John's team couldn't.
Yea I think the conference they transferred into is pretty irrelevant. Trying to prove your point by eliminating every possible example that people have named. im pretty sure if these guys can play for a top acc team they can play in the big east also.
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Let's hope that rebound machine from St Francis College,the PG from American University or Lisa Ann can propel us to Louisville status
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At what position does it make sense to add someone?
At what position does it make sense to add someone ... to the team that's lost 15 games in a row? No one, we're set.
With 2 fifth year guys
Who are charitably not very good. Next year's roster will have Owens, who has not played in a year; Williams, who has not played in a year; Lovett, who has not played in a year; Ahmed, who has never played D1; two freshmen; 4 sophomores who've so far lost 15 games in a row; and two upperclassmen who have shown essentially nothing in 6 years combined. If you don't think that roster could use some experience, I don't know what to tell you.
Experience is on the court. Not watching a Patriot league 5th year senior get your minutes.
Hence why we want a impact player as a 5th year guy. If there are none out there for us then so be it but there are usually some and we should go after them. Granted the better teams with more to offer in terms of expectations will have a better shot but still worth a try to go after them.
Which is why I asked for examples of 5th year transfers into the Big East that made a good impact
That's a pretty restrictive criteria. How long has the rule been effect, three years or something? Louisville is adding a 5th year transfer this year. Evidently Rick Pitino thinks it could have a good impact in the ACC, on a team that's a perennial national championship contender in the best league in the country. Probably though a gritty 7-27 Saint John's team couldn't.
Yea I think the conference they transferred into is pretty irrelevant. Trying to prove your point by eliminating every possible example that people have named. im pretty sure if these guys can play for a top acc team they can play in the big east also.
Exactly what difference does it make if the example in the ACC, PAC 12 or Big 10 but not the BE, do we think the BE can't do what other conferences can?
Furthermore 5th year transfers that are considered successful generally are so because they play for already good teams. Lewis and Lee for Louisville are good players, but their impact at Louisville would be more pronounced then say if they transferred to SJU simply because SJU wasn't very close to being good. Matt Carlino of BYU who transferred to Marquette last year and averaged 15 pg and shot 40% from 3, pretty good right? Who cares? Marquette still stunk. Marquette was not 1 player away from being really good. If he transferred to say Arizona, who knows. See my point.
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Let's hope that rebound machine from St Francis College,the PG from American University or Lisa Ann can propel us to Louisville status
Utter nonsense. No one is saying that adding any 5th year senior would be a positive. Whereas you are saying that adding no 5th year senior could be a positive.
Watching you troll nowadays is like watching Willie Mays get hit in the head after circling under a fly ball in 1969 at Shea. It's a shame you didn't retire four years ago.
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At what position does it make sense to add someone?
At what position does it make sense to add someone ... to the team that's lost 15 games in a row? No one, we're set.
With 2 fifth year guys
Who are charitably not very good. Next year's roster will have Owens, who has not played in a year; Williams, who has not played in a year; Lovett, who has not played in a year; Ahmed, who has never played D1; two freshmen; 4 sophomores who've so far lost 15 games in a row; and two upperclassmen who have shown essentially nothing in 6 years combined. If you don't think that roster could use some experience, I don't know what to tell you.
Experience is on the court. Not watching a Patriot league 5th year senior get your minutes.
Hence why we want a impact player as a 5th year guy. If there are none out there for us then so be it but there are usually some and we should go after them. Granted the better teams with more to offer in terms of expectations will have a better shot but still worth a try to go after them.
Which is why I asked for examples of 5th year transfers into the Big East that made a good impact
That's a pretty restrictive criteria. How long has the rule been effect, three years or something? Louisville is adding a 5th year transfer this year. Evidently Rick Pitino thinks it could have a good impact in the ACC, on a team that's a perennial national championship contender in the best league in the country. Probably though a gritty 7-27 Saint John's team couldn't.
Yea I think the conference they transferred into is pretty irrelevant. Trying to prove your point by eliminating every possible example that people have named. im pretty sure if these guys can play for a top acc team they can play in the big east also.
Exactly what difference does it make if the example in the ACC, PAC 12 or Big 10 but not the BE, do we think the BE can't do what other conferences can?
Furthermore 5th year transfers that are considered successful generally are so because they play for already good teams. Lewis and Lee for Louisville are good players, but their impact at Louisville would be more pronounced then say if they transferred to SJU simply because SJU wasn't very close to being good. Matt Carlino of BYU who transferred to Marquette last year and averaged 15 pg and shot 40% from 3, pretty good right? Who cares? Marquette still stunk. Marquette was not 1 player away from being really good. If he transferred to say Arizona, who knows. See my point.
This is exactly my point. We will not be a Tourny team next year in my opinion(2 years away). So why would we waste time on marginal 5th year guys? Let the you guns take their lumps
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Let's hope that rebound machine from St Francis College,the PG from American University or Lisa Ann can propel us to Louisville status
Utter nonsense. No one is saying that adding any 5th year senior would be a positive. Whereas you are saying that adding no 5th year senior could be a positive.
Watching you troll nowadays is like watching Willie Mays get hit in the head after circling under a fly ball in 1969 at Shea. It's a shame you didn't retire four years ago.
Boring. You used that one already
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At what position does it make sense to add someone?
At what position does it make sense to add someone ... to the team that's lost 15 games in a row? No one, we're set.
With 2 fifth year guys
Who are charitably not very good. Next year's roster will have Owens, who has not played in a year; Williams, who has not played in a year; Lovett, who has not played in a year; Ahmed, who has never played D1; two freshmen; 4 sophomores who've so far lost 15 games in a row; and two upperclassmen who have shown essentially nothing in 6 years combined. If you don't think that roster could use some experience, I don't know what to tell you.
Experience is on the court. Not watching a Patriot league 5th year senior get your minutes.
Hence why we want a impact player as a 5th year guy. If there are none out there for us then so be it but there are usually some and we should go after them. Granted the better teams with more to offer in terms of expectations will have a better shot but still worth a try to go after them.
Which is why I asked for examples of 5th year transfers into the Big East that made a good impact
That's a pretty restrictive criteria. How long has the rule been effect, three years or something? Louisville is adding a 5th year transfer this year. Evidently Rick Pitino thinks it could have a good impact in the ACC, on a team that's a perennial national championship contender in the best league in the country. Probably though a gritty 7-27 Saint John's team couldn't.
Yea I think the conference they transferred into is pretty irrelevant. Trying to prove your point by eliminating every possible example that people have named. im pretty sure if these guys can play for a top acc team they can play in the big east also.
Exactly what difference does it make if the example in the ACC, PAC 12 or Big 10 but not the BE, do we think the BE can't do what other conferences can?
Furthermore 5th year transfers that are considered successful generally are so because they play for already good teams. Lewis and Lee for Louisville are good players, but their impact at Louisville would be more pronounced then say if they transferred to SJU simply because SJU wasn't very close to being good. Matt Carlino of BYU who transferred to Marquette last year and averaged 15 pg and shot 40% from 3, pretty good right? Who cares? Marquette still stunk. Marquette was not 1 player away from being really good. If he transferred to say Arizona, who knows. See my point.
This is exactly my point. We will not be a Tourny team next year in my opinion(2 years away). So why would we waste time on marginal 5th year guys? Let the you guns take their lumps
Then your points are really POINTLESS. If you think SJU is at least 2 years away from the NCAA's then was is the issue with getting a 5th year bridge player who will be gone after next year anyway?
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Let's hope that rebound machine from St Francis College,the PG from American University or Lisa Ann can propel us to Louisville status
Utter nonsense. No one is saying that adding any 5th year senior would be a positive. Whereas you are saying that adding no 5th year senior could be a positive.
Watching you troll nowadays is like watching Willie Mays get hit in the head after circling under a fly ball in 1969 at Shea. It's a shame you didn't retire four years ago.
Boring. You used that one already
If you ever start trying again I'll come up with a new insult. Until then you only rate reruns.
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https://www.sny.tv/college-recruiting/news/rawle-alkins-recounts-unlv-arizona-visits-unsure-on-last-2-officials/164877912?tcid=tw_article_164877912
As we fade into the sunset ..........
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https://www.sny.tv/college-recruiting/news/rawle-alkins-recounts-unlv-arizona-visits-unsure-on-last-2-officials/164877912?tcid=tw_article_164877912
As we fade into the sunset ..........
Wonder if the Arizona and Vegas beat writers are tweeting about his eligibility
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Let's hope that rebound machine from St Francis College,the PG from American University or Lisa Ann can propel us to Louisville status
Utter nonsense. No one is saying that adding any 5th year senior would be a positive. Whereas you are saying that adding no 5th year senior could be a positive.
Watching you troll nowadays is like watching Willie Mays get hit in the head after circling under a fly ball in 1969 at Shea. It's a shame you didn't retire four years ago.
Boring. You used that one already
If you ever start trying again I'll come up with a new insult. Until then you only rate reruns.
Don't think it is an age thing, Norm took away his best trolling material.
Bluto needs to start becoming anti Mullin real soon because if he waits too long and the rebuild takes longer than some want / expect he might find that direction too crowded.
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Let's hope that rebound machine from St Francis College,the PG from American University or Lisa Ann can propel us to Louisville status
Utter nonsense. No one is saying that adding any 5th year senior would be a positive. Whereas you are saying that adding no 5th year senior could be a positive.
Watching you troll nowadays is like watching Willie Mays get hit in the head after circling under a fly ball in 1969 at Shea. It's a shame you didn't retire four years ago.
Boring. You used that one already
If you ever start trying again I'll come up with a new insult. Until then you only rate reruns.
Don't think it is an age thing, Norm took away his best trolling material.
Bluto needs to start becoming anti Mullin real soon because if he waits too long and the rebuild takes longer than some want / expect he might find that direction too crowded.
Program is in good hands, I'm not worried about the direction.
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Let's hope that rebound machine from St Francis College,the PG from American University or Lisa Ann can propel us to Louisville status
Utter nonsense. No one is saying that adding any 5th year senior would be a positive. Whereas you are saying that adding no 5th year senior could be a positive.
Watching you troll nowadays is like watching Willie Mays get hit in the head after circling under a fly ball in 1969 at Shea. It's a shame you didn't retire four years ago.
Boring. You used that one already
If you ever start trying again I'll come up with a new insult. Until then you only rate reruns.
Don't think it is an age thing, Norm took away his best trolling material.
Bluto needs to start becoming anti Mullin real soon because if he waits too long and the rebuild takes longer than some want / expect he might find that direction too crowded.
Program is in good hands, I'm not worried about the direction.
Yeah but w/o material to irritate the masses you are like a power pitcher who lost his fastball. Time to learn a knuckle ball. Start bashing Mullin
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Let's hope that rebound machine from St Francis College,the PG from American University or Lisa Ann can propel us to Louisville status
Utter nonsense. No one is saying that adding any 5th year senior would be a positive. Whereas you are saying that adding no 5th year senior could be a positive.
Watching you troll nowadays is like watching Willie Mays get hit in the head after circling under a fly ball in 1969 at Shea. It's a shame you didn't retire four years ago.
Boring. You used that one already
If you ever start trying again I'll come up with a new insult. Until then you only rate reruns.
Don't think it is an age thing, Norm took away his best trolling material.
Bluto needs to start becoming anti Mullin real soon because if he waits too long and the rebuild takes longer than some want / expect he might find that direction too crowded.
Program is in good hands, I'm not worried about the direction.
Yeah but w/o material to irritate the masses you are like a power pitcher who lost his fastball. Time to learn a knuckle ball. Start bashing Mullin
I've matured
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Let's hope that rebound machine from St Francis College,the PG from American University or Lisa Ann can propel us to Louisville status
Utter nonsense. No one is saying that adding any 5th year senior would be a positive. Whereas you are saying that adding no 5th year senior could be a positive.
Watching you troll nowadays is like watching Willie Mays get hit in the head after circling under a fly ball in 1969 at Shea. It's a shame you didn't retire four years ago.
Boring. You used that one already
If you ever start trying again I'll come up with a new insult. Until then you only rate reruns.
Don't think it is an age thing, Norm took away his best trolling material.
Bluto needs to start becoming anti Mullin real soon because if he waits too long and the rebuild takes longer than some want / expect he might find that direction too crowded.
Program is in good hands, I'm not worried about the direction.
Yeah but w/o material to irritate the masses you are like a power pitcher who lost his fastball. Time to learn a knuckle ball. Start bashing Mullin
I've matured
Sorry to hear that
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Let's hope that rebound machine from St Francis College,the PG from American University or Lisa Ann can propel us to Louisville status
Utter nonsense. No one is saying that adding any 5th year senior would be a positive. Whereas you are saying that adding no 5th year senior could be a positive.
Watching you troll nowadays is like watching Willie Mays get hit in the head after circling under a fly ball in 1969 at Shea. It's a shame you didn't retire four years ago.
Boring. You used that one already
If you ever start trying again I'll come up with a new insult. Until then you only rate reruns.
Don't think it is an age thing, Norm took away his best trolling material.
Bluto needs to start becoming anti Mullin real soon because if he waits too long and the rebuild takes longer than some want / expect he might find that direction too crowded.
Program is in good hands, I'm not worried about the direction.
Yeah but w/o material to irritate the masses you are like a power pitcher who lost his fastball. Time to learn a knuckle ball. Start bashing Mullin
I've matured
it's more like all the 5 star vacations you take now have mellowed you out :)
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I think we should disregard Rawle. And go after Lehighs 5th year Pg
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Ha Baldi on fire tonight.
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i may have to head up to mid nassau and bring baldi my lavin bobblehead to get the juices flowing again
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https://twitter.com/phil_sports/status/702840019501895680
Jeff Borzello talks about Rawle recruiting. Says sju and Zona are neck and neck right now.
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https://twitter.com/phil_sports/status/702840019501895680
Jeff Borzello talks about Rawle recruiting. Says sju and Zona are neck and neck right now.
Let's go Redmen! Competing with the big boys!
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Ha Baldi on fire tonight.
If Rawlie won't be eligible, we should cut this out.
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https://twitter.com/phil_sports/status/702840019501895680
Jeff Borzello talks about Rawle recruiting. Says sju and Zona are neck and neck right now.
Why is this guy writing articles how we are the co-favorites with Arizona if we supposedly aren't recruiting him anymore lol. Can someone please clarify for me?
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https://twitter.com/phil_sports/status/702840019501895680
Jeff Borzello talks about Rawle recruiting. Says sju and Zona are neck and neck right now.
Why is this guy writing articles how we are the co-favorites with Arizona if we supposedly aren't recruiting him anymore lol. Can someone please clarify for me?
No one can answer that because no one knows what the staff is doing.
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Clearly we are still after Rawle. Good to hear. Slice said recently in a zags article as well that they are going after him hard and to gain this interest from a recruit like him is nothing other than great. I cant remember the last 5-star recruit we had (was harrison?)
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Very little negative to continue recruiting the kid. If we lead for him, it's definitely a good thing. I don't want to speculated whether he will qualify or not but if the staff feels it is worth it, then it probably is. We already have a really nice class. Any other major talents like Rawle is gravy.
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Elliah Ingram I think the last 5 star recruit .
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If Rawle doesn't qualify; what are his options?
1. Play over seas in Europe or China.
2. Enroll at St Johns/Arizona for a year, not play, then enter the 2017 draft.
3. Enroll at St.Johns/Arizona for a year, play a year as a partial qualifier freshman a la Marcus Lovett, then enter the 2018 Draft.
Looking at things from this point of view, what are his chances of actually playing college basketball?
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Elliah Ingram I think the last 5 star recruit .
Jordan.
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If Rawle doesn't qualify; what are his options?
1. Play over seas in Europe or China.
2. Enroll at St Johns/Arizona for a year, not play, then enter the 2017 draft.
3. Enroll at St.Johns/Arizona for a year, play a year as a partial qualifier freshman a la Marcus Lovett, then enter the 2018 Draft.
Looking at things from this point of view, what are his chances of actually playing college basketball?
As you point out, its not a definite he plays college if he doesn't qualify for next year but I do think its highly likely he does. His draft stock would likely take a major hit if he didn't play at least one year of college ball because there are so many guards and people his size that NBA teams like to see more of than just at the HS level. May be different if he was a 7 footer like Thon Maker or someone like that, but I think he plays at least one year.
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If Rawle doesn't qualify; what are his options?
1. Play over seas in Europe or China.
2. Enroll at St Johns/Arizona for a year, not play, then enter the 2017 draft.
3. Enroll at St.Johns/Arizona for a year, play a year as a partial qualifier freshman a la Marcus Lovett, then enter the 2018 Draft.
Looking at things from this point of view, what are his chances of actually playing college basketball?
As you point out, its not a definite he plays college if he doesn't qualify for next year but I do think its highly likely he does. His draft stock would likely take a major hit if he didn't play at least one year of college ball because there are so many guards and people his size that NBA teams like to see more of than just at the HS level. May be different if he was a 7 footer like Thon Maker or someone like that, but I think he plays at least one year.
You're right, definitely to his benefit to play a year if he has to sit out, just to shake off the rust and show he can play at a high level. He would still benefit from practicing for a year in a pro-type system under Mullin and St Jean. Perhaps we can see the effect the same situation had on Lovett as a barometer as to how prepared Alkins will look in 2017-18 if forced to sit out.
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Paul Biancardi Verified account @PaulBiancardi · 4m4 minutes ago Stallings, NC
Breaking News:
Rawle Alkins will make his college decision tonight on CBB live at 9pm et on @ESPNU. Final 3 Arizona, Saint John's & UNLV.
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I think it will be Arizona
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I figure it will be. Someone would have known if it was SJU. Seems like things pointing to AZ.
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Our super recruiters don't have to land every local star, but they do need to get their share. If this kid may not qualify, I don't want him. It's time for that trend to stop. Let's get kids who have their shit together.
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I could be wrong in this but I remember seeing that Ferguson and possibly another high level guard had big interest from Zona. Maybe they are playing the game of taking whoever comes first. The decision came up all of a sudden it seems so there must have been a motivating factor here.
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Zona
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Have to agree , all signs point to Tucson
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Wildcats
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Thank you, Rawle, for not jerking us around as long as Kyle Anderson and Isaiah Briscoe did. Good luck in Tucson.
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Like a lot of these local recruits it felt like we were never actually in this one. I would be surprised if we add anyone else other then a transfer for this recruiting cycle.
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Thought the Canarise connection would of help. The staff swung and missed at the best two players in New York for 2 year straight years. Cheick and now Rawle. Hopefully 3rd time is the charm for Mohamed Bambang who is projected to be better than both. Let's lock him up Mullin!
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Our super recruiters don't have to land every local star, but they do need to get their share. If this kid may not qualify, I don't want him. It's time for that trend to stop. Let's get kids who have their shit together.
Ponds is our share for this year and he has his shit together. I don't think this staff is done recruiting 2016 yet.
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So much for being homesick
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Would have liked Rawle because he makes us better instantly and improves our chances for Maker. Without him, if we can't pull a surprise impact guy like a Ferguson, prefer to take a quality grad transfer with this slot and any other that open. Let's have some flexibility for '17 when we are in play for some quality locals and staff will have had another year to show what they're building here.
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Our super recruiters don't have to land every local star, but they do need to get their share. If this kid may not qualify, I don't want him. It's time for that trend to stop. Let's get kids who have their shit together.
Ponds is our share for this year and he has his shit together. I don't think this staff is done recruiting 2016 yet.
Grad transfer
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Big rebounder....bruiser....defensive presence....grad transfer.....help hopefully is on the way.
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Help is on the way
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What does that mean SJU79?
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What does that mean SJU79?
Probably Arkansas State big mentioned on other site
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Our super recruiters don't have to land every local star, but they do need to get their share. If this kid may not qualify, I don't want him. It's time for that trend to stop. Let's get kids who have their shit together.
Ponds is our share for this year and he has his shit together. I don't think this staff is done recruiting 2016 yet.
Grad transfer
Ah, but who?
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I will say this about Rawle...lots of people taking shots at him for "enjoying" the process but he's a teenager who has been afforded/earned both the limelight and the opportunity to visit colleges and new places....not sure why he/this has offended people
I believe most think he was stringing us along like a lot of other recent local recruits have done. If he had legit interest in coming here and didn't then oh well but if he was just adding our name to his list like others have done then that's why people would be upset. We obviously won't ever know if we ever seriously considered us.
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Anything after what we already have is a cherry on top.
Sima and Yakwe should both improve
Ellison should be more capable and confident.
We keep hearing how insane Lovett is.
We have no idea what Owens is. Freudenberg will elevate our shooting % as will Ponds.
Sima-Yakwe-Freudenberg-Ponds-Lovett with Owens-Mussini-Ellison-Ahmed and even Alibegovic for 5 minutes is at least a .500 team in conference play to me. That's where I would set my expectation.
I can't see us losing to NJIT, Fordham, and Incarnate again and had we not lost to them and had this batch of players, I think we could stole it from South Carolina, we would've been 11-2 going into Conference play. Being .500 in conference play would've left us at 20-11. Even without South Carolina it's 19-12. This would've left us as likely being the reverse of our situation and been #7 playing DePaul. Then playing Xavier who we would've had a fighter's chance against, and then very likely Seton Hall who we'd have a good chance against.
Obviously this is more than the ideal scenario but it's very possible to look at this roster next year and say we are definitely capable of getting to at least 18 wins and a win in the Big East tournament. Landing Rawle, if eligible, would be amazing and would accelerate the program's transition. Especially since it could help land Thon Maker. But if we lose out on him, I fully trust in this staff's ability to land the right missing piece. I'm very confident in next year.
And how am I confident that we can be at least .500 in conference play? We lost 8 conference games by 10 or less. Improvements to our bench and lineup and some increased confidence and development from our returners makes me believe in this squad.
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I will say this about Rawle...lots of people taking shots at him for "enjoying" the process but he's a teenager who has been afforded/earned both the limelight and the opportunity to visit colleges and new places....not sure why he/this has offended people
I believe most think he was stringing us along like a lot of other recent local recruits have done. If he had legit interest in coming here and didn't then oh well but if he was just adding our name to his list like others have done then that's why people would be upset. We obviously won't ever know if we ever seriously considered us.
Such a ridiculous notion. Every school outside of the one he picks was "strung along"... Isn't that the case with every recruit?
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I will say this about Rawle...lots of people taking shots at him for "enjoying" the process but he's a teenager who has been afforded/earned both the limelight and the opportunity to visit colleges and new places....not sure why he/this has offended people
I believe most think he was stringing us along like a lot of other recent local recruits have done. If he had legit interest in coming here and didn't then oh well but if he was just adding our name to his list like others have done then that's why people would be upset. We obviously won't ever know if we ever seriously considered us.
Such a ridiculous notion. Every school outside of the one he picks was "strung along"... Isn't that the case with every recruit?
No it's not. Some kids in the past have just kept us on the list as the hometown school but never had interest in us. Not saying Rawle did that but some feel he never had interest in us.
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Not to start a war, but that's always what Coach Lavin thought.....it was still probably worth trying to get him
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Not to start a war, but that's always what Coach Lavin thought.....it was still probably worth trying to get him
Didn't hurt us to go after him. Maybe we never had a chance but can't let the best city kid go without even trying.
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He wasn't stringing us along guys. My understanding is that there are various reasons he chose Arizona, one of which of course is that it is a great program.
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Paultzman what about Fergunson - a no go on him also
They have great recruiters but do you think they will ever land a top ten recruit
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Won't be eligible
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Anything after what we already have is a cherry on top.
Sima and Yakwe should both improve
Ellison should be more capable and confident.
We keep hearing how insane Lovett is.
We have no idea what Owens is. Freudenberg will elevate our shooting % as will Ponds.
Sima-Yakwe-Freudenberg-Ponds-Lovett with Owens-Mussini-Ellison-Ahmed and even Alibegovic for 5 minutes is at least a .500 team in conference play to me. That's where I would set my expectation.
I can't see us losing to NJIT, Fordham, and Incarnate again and had we not lost to them and had this batch of players, I think we could stole it from South Carolina, we would've been 11-2 going into Conference play. Being .500 in conference play would've left us at 20-11. Even without South Carolina it's 19-12. This would've left us as likely being the reverse of our situation and been #7 playing DePaul. Then playing Xavier who we would've had a fighter's chance against, and then very likely Seton Hall who we'd have a good chance against.
Obviously this is more than the ideal scenario but it's very possible to look at this roster next year and say we are definitely capable of getting to at least 18 wins and a win in the Big East tournament. Landing Rawle, if eligible, would be amazing and would accelerate the program's transition. Especially since it could help land Thon Maker. But if we lose out on him, I fully trust in this staff's ability to land the right missing piece. I'm very confident in next year.
And how am I confident that we can be at least .500 in conference play? We lost 8 conference games by 10 or less. Improvements to our bench and lineup and some increased confidence and development from our returners makes me believe in this squad.
Ahmed starts and is probably our best all around player IMO.
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Ellison should be more capable and confident.
Ellison has too much confidence already. He'd be a better player if he developed some doubts about how well he plays basketball.
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Ellison should be more capable and confident.
Ellison has too much confidence already. He'd be a better player if he developed some doubts about how well he plays basketball.
Agree. He isn't the only one. Amar should be looking at old tape of Tomas J. He thinks he is a gunner.
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Ellison should be more capable and confident.
Ellison has too much confidence already. He'd be a better player if he developed some doubts about how well he plays basketball.
At least he inherited the never nervous thing from his dad if nothing else lol
But seriously I think he has some skills and since he has the physical ability he can be one of those guys that gets better every year.
I think he is first guard off the bench next year behind Ponds and Lovett.
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I haven't seen or really heard much of Bashir so I can't really say. But it's hard for me to envision Freudenberg and Ponds not starting or Yakwe. Unless one of them struggles early on and we relegate them to 6th man. Either way I think a frontcourt of Sima, Yakwe, Owens, and Alibegovic (at like 5 minutes) and a backcourt of Ponds, Lovett, Ellison and Mussini. And Freudenberg and Ahmed on the wings is more than capable of being at least .500 in conference play next year.
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Won't be eligible
At Arizona he will be :)
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This. Although a better shot at one of the bigger, more influential schools like Arizona. Said to say, but true in my opinion.
Won't be eligible
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Bocoum from Ark St is 6'10 260 from Harlem, must be the big being talked about as a 5th yr senior. But with Yakwe, Sima, Owens throw in AA and CJ (if he stays) size is decent.
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Thank you, Rawle, for not jerking us around as long as Kyle Anderson and Isaiah Briscoe did. Good luck in Tucson.
Simply, both Anderson and Briscoe made their decision before the season started, well before Rawle did... you can't blame the kid for the school having no backup plan.
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Thank you, Rawle, for not jerking us around as long as Kyle Anderson and Isaiah Briscoe did. Good luck in Tucson.
Simply, both Anderson and Briscoe made their decision before the season started, well before Rawle did... you can't blame the kid for the school having no backup plan.
It's not like Rawle was our only recruiting target. We still, as of today, have the best class in the conference and a top 20 nationally. It's not like with Lavin where a guy like Briscoe was pretty much his whole recruiting plan. Losing Rawle sucks, but it's not a crushing blow to the future of the program. Especially since there's a good chance he may not be eligible.
And it's not a done deal yet. Thigns could change
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Bocoum from Ark St is 6'10 260 from Harlem, must be the big being talked about as a 5th yr senior. But with Yakwe, Sima, Owens throw in AA and CJ (if he stays) size is decent.
You heard this?
Not exactly eye popping numbers.
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Other site says Livingston.........averages a double/double.
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Rawle was a long shot. Would have been nice but I never considered him to be someone that we could realistically get.
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I haven't seen or really heard much of Bashir so I can't really say. But it's hard for me to envision Freudenberg and Ponds not starting or Yakwe. Unless one of them struggles early on and we relegate them to 6th man. Either way I think a frontcourt of Sima, Yakwe, Owens, and Alibegovic (at like 5 minutes) and a backcourt of Ponds, Lovett, Ellison and Mussini. And Freudenberg and Ahmed on the wings is more than capable of being at least .500 in conference play next year.
You say you have not seen or heard much about Ahmed who is a local kid who played HS ball here and has been talked about for two years of juco but you do know about Freudenberg? Do you make your films in Europe? :)
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We needed our senior transfers this year...but I'd hate to see their clones coming in down the road.
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Let's try to keep this on Rawle.
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So we don't have any chance with Alkins, ,Maker or Fergunson
They are going to settle for a grad student transfer what happened to Fergunson
Do you think they should sticks to recruits 50-100 because they can not close out the deal on top 25 guys
Even the new staff couldn't close the deal with Herron, Rowan , Alkins, Maker and Fergunson
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So we don't have any chance with Alkins, ,Maker or Fergunson
They are going to settle for a grad student transfer what happened to Fergunson
Do you think they should sticks to recruits 50-100 because they can not close out the deal on top 25 guys
Even the new staff couldn't close the deal with Herron, Rowan , Alkins, Maker and Fergunson
A few assumptions in this post. It sounds like this was a post, in hopes of someone talking you off the ledge.
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I haven't seen or really heard much of Bashir so I can't really say. But it's hard for me to envision Freudenberg and Ponds not starting or Yakwe. Unless one of them struggles early on and we relegate them to 6th man. Either way I think a frontcourt of Sima, Yakwe, Owens, and Alibegovic (at like 5 minutes) and a backcourt of Ponds, Lovett, Ellison and Mussini. And Freudenberg and Ahmed on the wings is more than capable of being at least .500 in conference play next year.
You say you have not seen or heard much about Ahmed who is a local kid who played HS ball here and has been talked about for two years of juco but you do know about Freudenberg? Do you make your films in Europe? :)
Haha no but websites have more scouting reports and other analyses on him than I've seen from Bashir. And my only view on Ahmed is I don't know if he's a starter because I've never really read much about him. I've seen more on Freudenberg. That's why I usually fail to include him. Just lack of knowledge on the player. Freudenberg also has a bit better size from what I've seen.
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So we don't have any chance with Alkins, ,Maker or Fergunson
They are going to settle for a grad student transfer what happened to Fergunson
Do you think they should sticks to recruits 50-100 because they can not close out the deal on top 25 guys
Even the new staff couldn't close the deal with Herron, Rowan , Alkins, Maker and Fergunson
A few assumptions in this post. It sounds like this was a post, in hopes of someone talking you off the ledge.
I think it's unfair to really hold this class against them. I think if we fail on kids like Tucker, Bamba, etc then I think we can really push our future expectations to at best the #25th ranked kid in the country. But let's see what these recruits can do when they have time to really develop relationship between these kids, themselves, AND the school.
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So we don't have any chance with Alkins, ,Maker or Fergunson
They are going to settle for a grad student transfer what happened to Fergunson
Do you think they should sticks to recruits 50-100 because they can not close out the deal on top 25 guys
Even the new staff couldn't close the deal with Herron, Rowan , Alkins, Maker and Fergunson
How about we win a few games before expecting potential lottery picks to commit. I am perfectly comfortable with the incoming crop consisting of Lovett (4*), Ponds (4*), Ahmed (4*), Freudenberg (4*), Owens (3-4*), and a transfer.
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I haven't seen or really heard much of Bashir so I can't really say. But it's hard for me to envision Freudenberg and Ponds not starting or Yakwe. Unless one of them struggles early on and we relegate them to 6th man. Either way I think a frontcourt of Sima, Yakwe, Owens, and Alibegovic (at like 5 minutes) and a backcourt of Ponds, Lovett, Ellison and Mussini. And Freudenberg and Ahmed on the wings is more than capable of being at least .500 in conference play next year.
You say you have not seen or heard much about Ahmed who is a local kid who played HS ball here and has been talked about for two years of juco but you do know about Freudenberg? Do you make your films in Europe? :)
Haha no but websites have more scouting reports and other analyses on him than I've seen from Bashir. And my only view on Ahmed is I don't know if he's a starter because I've never really read much about him. I've seen more on Freudenberg. That's why I usually fail to include him. Just lack of knowledge on the player. Freudenberg also has a bit better size from what I've seen.
Ahmed starts and is probably our leading scorer
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So we don't have any chance with Alkins, ,Maker or Fergunson
They are going to settle for a grad student transfer what happened to Fergunson
Do you think they should sticks to recruits 50-100 because they can not close out the deal on top 25 guys
Even the new staff couldn't close the deal with Herron, Rowan , Alkins, Maker and Fergunson
How about we win a few games before expecting potential lottery picks to commit. I am perfectly comfortable with the incoming crop consisting of Lovett (4*), Ponds (4*), Ahmed (4*), Freudenberg (4*), Owens (3-4*), and a transfer.
Exactly
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Bocoum from Ark St is 6'10 260 from Harlem, must be the big being talked about as a 5th yr senior. But with Yakwe, Sima, Owens throw in AA and CJ (if he stays) size is decent.
You heard this?
Not exactly eye popping numbers.
No, just looked at roster and assumed big kid from Harlem would be the fit……Just responding to earlier post re 5th yr senior transfer from Ark St
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We are damn lucky to have this staff, so people need to stop bashing them. We have a great class coming in and once we are more productive on the court next year, the floodgates will open. Why people need to have a jump of the ledge mentality is beyond me and I think we remain very much in the Maker decision.
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I feel so disappointing going from three top twenty recruits to settle for someone from Arkansas state are they even a division one school
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I don't really like to say it but don't you think it would have better for the program if he hired a young black assistant than St. Jean.
Also the European Ball Players seem to like St Johns more than most programs and young players in the United States
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I feel so disappointing going from three top twenty recruits to settle for someone from Arkansas state are they even a division one school
Maybe the problem is that your expectations were just a TAD high.
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I don't really like to say it but don't you think it would have better for the program if he hired a young black assistant than St. Jean.
Also the European Ball Players seem to like St Johns more than most programs and young players in the United States
Ya should've kept Rico Hines.
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I don't really like to say it but don't you think it would have better for the program if he hired a young black assistant than St. Jean.
Also the European Ball Players seem to like St Johns more than most programs and young players in the United States
Yeah, you should have reeled it in. Pretty stupid comments abound.
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I feel so disappointing going from three top twenty recruits to settle for someone from Arkansas state are they even a division one school
A lot of nice players in the 17 class. 5th year Sr., will help next year and help balance scholis. But I don't think staff should settle. Like I said, there will be some nice transfer students out there although the they will have to sit a yea.
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Would have been nice to get Rawle ..a lot of concerns eligibility wise it seems like...I am all for the grad transfers to help balence scholies ...I am sure it means nothing but ponds did just post a picture on Instagram tagging Rawle in it.
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Never seen him play. But he is 6'8 and scores and rebounds. Sounds good to me. Not saying I don't want Rawle but 1 year of this guy may be better for the team.
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Never seen him play. But he is 6'8 and scores and rebounds. Sounds good to me. Not saying I don't want Rawle but 1 year of this guy may be better for the team.
7.1 points per game in a low level conference? He sounds like Ron M'vouika. This seems like a terrible idea, and a really good example of not learning your lesson. Alkins is the kind of player Mullin was brought in to keep. There is no way to paint a pretty picture here. He either comes, or the staff struck out.
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Never seen him play. But he is 6'8 and scores and rebounds. Sounds good to me. Not saying I don't want Rawle but 1 year of this guy may be better for the team.
7.1 points per game in a low level conference? He sounds like Ron M'vouika. This seems like a terrible idea, and a really good example of not learning your lesson. Alkins is the kind of player Mullin was brought in to keep. There is no way to paint a pretty picture here. He either comes, or the staff struck out.
I think you are looking at the wrong player
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Yeah he averaged 15 and 9.
2 games ago he had 22 rebounds. Sign me up. I will buy his jersey now
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His FT stats were impressive in 2015
122 of 142 : 85.9%
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Yeah he averaged 15 and 9.
2 games ago he had 22 rebounds. Sign me up. I will buy his jersey now
And that 22 rebound game was against one of the 50 best teams in the country
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I hate to lose Rawle too. But are we really complaining about the recruiting? The staff took over a horrible situation and already have a top 20 class. If that ain't good enough for you at this point, you need to seriously realign your expectations.
So we don't have any chance with Alkins, ,Maker or Fergunson
They are going to settle for a grad student transfer what happened to Fergunson
Do you think they should sticks to recruits 50-100 because they can not close out the deal on top 25 guys
Even the new staff couldn't close the deal with Herron, Rowan , Alkins, Maker and Fergunson
How about we win a few games before expecting potential lottery picks to commit. I am perfectly comfortable with the incoming crop consisting of Lovett (4*), Ponds (4*), Ahmed (4*), Freudenberg (4*), Owens (3-4*), and a transfer.
Exactly
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Hate to disagree with you PR on a night like this, but the time to recruit is now. When you have a new staff, their is a recruiting window with all of the excitement and promise. But it closes in a couple of years if you don't show significant progress early. Unless you cheat like Willard.
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Yeah he averaged 15 and 9.
2 games ago he had 22 rebounds. Sign me up. I will buy his jersey now
And that 22 rebound game was against one of the 50 best teams in the country
No. But he has to be better then Amar. Lamont Middleton came from Hartford. I would take him again
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Yeah he averaged 15 and 9.
2 games ago he had 22 rebounds. Sign me up. I will buy his jersey now
And that 22 rebound game was against one of the 50 best teams in the country
No. But he has to be better then Amar. Lamont Middleton came from Hartford. I would take him again
Im confused. I supported your statement by saying that his 22 rebound performance didn't come against the little sisters of the poor
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Well, with the talent level coming in, we will be better next year, and I'm confident that we'll land a very good class in 2017, making our team even stronger. So I'm not worried about being bad for 4 years, which is what Seton Hall was before Willard brought in Whitehead & Co. in year 5. We already have a far better class coming in NEXT year than Willard had in his first 4.
Hate to disagree with you PR on a night like this, but the time to recruit is now. When you have a new staff, their is a recruiting window with all of the excitement and promise. But it closes in a couple of years if you don't show significant progress early. Unless you cheat like Willard.
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Hate to disagree with you PR on a night like this, but the time to recruit is now. When you have a new staff, their is a recruiting window with all of the excitement and promise. But it closes in a couple of years if you don't show significant progress early. Unless you cheat like Willard.
There hasn't been much excitement and promise this season so there's none of that to parlay. The staff has done a great job recruiting. Unfortunately that one NYC like Rawle or Briscoe or whomever always because some sort of false negative harbinger. The truth couldn't be further from that. We have the best recruiting class in the big east already. Every school misses on recruits every year. Even The blue bloods. Most thought Rawle would never come anyway, but I'm still happy the staff tried. But people need to have some patience and perspective when it comes to this type stuff, especially with a brand new staff in their first year.
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St. John's got the best player in New York. The 2nd best player never wanted to come here.
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Yeah he averaged 15 and 9.
2 games ago he had 22 rebounds. Sign me up. I will buy his jersey now
And that 22 rebound game was against one of the 50 best teams in the country
No. But he has to be better then Amar. Lamont Middleton came from Hartford. I would take him again
Im confused. I supported your statement by saying that his 22 rebound performance didn't come against the little sisters of the poor
Sorry I assumed it was against a bad team. I only checked him out quick
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St. John's got the best player in New York. The 2nd best player never wanted to come here.
You're saying Ponds is better than Rawle?
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Wonder what happens to Abdul Dial
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St. John's got the best player in New York. The 2nd best player never wanted to come here.
You're saying Ponds is better than Rawle?
Yes better scorer and more impactful player. Better suited for this team too.
Rawle is a very good player but I think this team is better off without him.
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Wonder what happens to Abdul Dial
Probably gonna start for Louisville next year.
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St. John's got the best player in New York. The 2nd best player never wanted to come here.
You're saying Ponds is better than Rawle?
Yes better scorer and more impactful player. Better suited for this team too.
Rawle is a very good player but I think this team is better off without him.
Insane statements, imo
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Now we're just getting stupid. We finished 1 and 17 in conference, but we're better off without a 5 star NYC guard built like a bull? Sheer lunacy.
I love Ponds and LoVett too, but we're better with them AND Rawle, AND Maker, AND with any other5 star kid the staff can land.
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Now we're just getting stupid. We finished 1 and 17 in conference, but we're better off without a 5 star NYC guard built like a bull? Sheer lunacy.
I love Ponds and LoVett too, but we're better with them AND Rawle, AND Maker, AND with any other5 star kid the staff can land.
Yeah thank God we never got the likes of Lew Alcindor, Julius Erving, Gary Payton and the like.
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Never seen him play. But he is 6'8 and scores and rebounds. Sounds good to me. Not saying I don't want Rawle but 1 year of this guy may be better for the team.
7.1 points per game in a low level conference? He sounds like Ron M'vouika. This seems like a terrible idea, and a really good example of not learning your lesson. Alkins is the kind of player Mullin was brought in to keep. There is no way to paint a pretty picture here. He either comes, or the staff struck out.
I think you are looking at the wrong player
What's the guy's name? Maybe I am.
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Hate to disagree with you PR on a night like this, but the time to recruit is now. When you have a new staff, their is a recruiting window with all of the excitement and promise. But it closes in a couple of years if you don't show significant progress early. Unless you cheat like Willard.
There hasn't been much excitement and promise this season so there's none of that to parlay.
Exactly! That's my concern. We finished 1-17 and now we've missed on our no. 1 recruit. You only win one game in conference and your program loses some of it's luster. People are expressing positivity tonight which is good. Too much negativity around here lately. Lets pick it up in the spring and over the summer.
The thing that I disagree with you about is that one has to be patient in recruiting. No!!! You have to come out of the gate with both guns blazing. Right from the start, otherwise you lose you're momentum and the window closes. We're adding missing pieces but we lose our wings this year. They need to be replaced by better wings. We get Ahmed who I think will be better, but we need one more. We also need a big who can hold his ground in the post. One who can also rebound and defend and have a little offense. It'll have to be two fifth year transfers. Unfortunately, this has Mussini going back to Italy.
We got this class because of the "new coach window" PR. It's important to keep that going. RIGHT NOW.
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Never seen him play. But he is 6'8 and scores and rebounds. Sounds good to me. Not saying I don't want Rawle but 1 year of this guy may be better for the team.
7.1 points per game in a low level conference? He sounds like Ron M'vouika. This seems like a terrible idea, and a really good example of not learning your lesson. Alkins is the kind of player Mullin was brought in to keep. There is no way to paint a pretty picture here. He either comes, or the staff struck out.
I think you are looking at the wrong player
What's the guy's name? Maybe I am.
I believe (and hope) the rumors are about Anthony Livingston
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Now we're just getting stupid. We finished 1 and 17 in conference, but we're better off without a 5 star NYC guard built like a bull? Sheer lunacy.
I love Ponds and LoVett too, but we're better with them AND Rawle, AND Maker, AND with any other5 star kid the staff can land.
I was fine moving on from Alkins earlier in the season, but after getting our arse routinely kicked (handily on several occasions), then I changed my tune. "Get all the talent you can" has been my motto!
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Never seen him play. But he is 6'8 and scores and rebounds. Sounds good to me. Not saying I don't want Rawle but 1 year of this guy may be better for the team.
7.1 points per game in a low level conference? He sounds like Ron M'vouika. This seems like a terrible idea, and a really good example of not learning your lesson. Alkins is the kind of player Mullin was brought in to keep. There is no way to paint a pretty picture here. He either comes, or the staff struck out.
I think you are looking at the wrong player
What's the guy's name? Maybe I am.
I believe (and hope) the rumors are about Anthony Livingston
Who is that?
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Staff may have recruited Alkins, but from what I'm listening to now on the U, I don't think he saw anything at St.John's that he wanted to be a part of. Can't blame him for not wanting to join a pile a shit. And that's what the staff presented to him, whether we like it or not.
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Staff may have recruited Alkins, but from what I'm listening to now on the U, I don't think he saw anything at St.John's that he wanted to be a part of. Can't blame him for not wanting to join a pile a shit. And that's what the staff presented to him, whether we like it or not.
So true, doubt we get Thon now. Any other 4 stars lurking to add, or are we stuck with 3s to fill out roster?
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Staff may have recruited Alkins, but from what I'm listening to now on the U, I don't think he saw anything at St.John's that he wanted to be a part of. Can't blame him for not wanting to join a pile a shit. And that's what the staff presented to him, whether we like it or not.
So true, doubt we get Thon now. Any other 4 stars lurking to add, or are we stuck with 3s to fill out roster?
Would prefer a grad transfer or transfer there is no need to waste valuable schollies as we will have a limited number available over the next few years.
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How did our current transfers work out?
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They didn't. But that doesn't mean we should forego this route in its entirety, especially with the success Matt A had with transfers at Iowa State. Had a guy like Durand Johnson been surrounded with better players, and been asked to do less, I think he would have been far more successful.
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How did our current transfers work out?
The great thing about 5th year transfers is that they are extremely low risk. If they don't work out they ride the bench and the scholarship is available after one year again. Some of Matt's most important players in making Iowa St. good and consistent were transfers.
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Watching Slice and Matt do what they do best over the next 6 months is going to be fun.
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Staff may have recruited Alkins, but from what I'm listening to now on the U, I don't think he saw anything at St.John's that he wanted to be a part of. Can't blame him for not wanting to join a pile a shit. And that's what the staff presented to him, whether we like it or not.
So true, doubt we get Thon now. Any other 4 stars lurking to add, or are we stuck with 3s to fill out roster?
We have one scholarship left so we don't have to reach to add anyone.
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Now we're just getting stupid. We finished 1 and 17 in conference, but we're better off without a 5 star NYC guard built like a bull? Sheer lunacy.
I love Ponds and LoVett too, but we're better with them AND Rawle, AND Maker, AND with any other5 star kid the staff can land.
Will be fun to see how many college games played Rawle and Maker combine to haveThey didn't. But that doesn't mean we should forego this route in its entirety, especially with the success Matt A had with transfers at Iowa State. Had a guy like Durand Johnson been surrounded with better players, and been asked to do less, I think he would have been far more successful.
Johnson was a Slice recruit. Pitt connection.
It's been a rough year but decent stop gaps.
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St. John's got the best player in New York. The 2nd best player never wanted to come here.
You're saying Ponds is better than Rawle?
Yes better scorer and more impactful player. Better suited for this team too.
Rawle is a very good player but I think this team is better off without him.
Insane statements, imo
Would be bad for chemistry. Don't need that.
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St. John's got the best player in New York. The 2nd best player never wanted to come here.
You're saying Ponds is better than Rawle?
Yes better scorer and more impactful player. Better suited for this team too.
Rawle is a very good player but I think this team is better off without him.
Insane statements, imo
Would be bad for chemistry. Don't need that.
How so? What has he done at Christ The King or Word Of God that would make you say that?
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Now we're just getting stupid. We finished 1 and 17 in conference, but we're better off without a 5 star NYC guard built like a bull? Sheer lunacy.
I love Ponds and LoVett too, but we're better with them AND Rawle, AND Maker, AND with any other5 star kid the staff can land.
Will be fun to see how many college games played Rawle and Maker combine to haveThey didn't. But that doesn't mean we should forego this route in its entirety, especially with the success Matt A had with transfers at Iowa State. Had a guy like Durand Johnson been surrounded with better players, and been asked to do less, I think he would have been far more successful.
Johnson was a Slice recruit. Pitt connection.
It's been a rough year but decent stop gaps.
If Maker goes to ND, probably about 96 games. If not...
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St. John's got the best player in New York. The 2nd best player never wanted to come here.
You're saying Ponds is better than Rawle?
Yes better scorer and more impactful player. Better suited for this team too.
Rawle is a very good player but I think this team is better off without him.
Insane statements, imo
Would be bad for chemistry. Don't need that.
How so? What has he done at Christ The King or Word Of God that would make you say that?
Dave actually knows these kids and covers this stuff. Surprised you haven't figure this stuff out by now...
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St. John's got the best player in New York. The 2nd best player never wanted to come here.
You're saying Ponds is better than Rawle?
Yes better scorer and more impactful player. Better suited for this team too.
Rawle is a very good player but I think this team is better off without him.
Insane statements, imo
Would be bad for chemistry. Don't need that.
How so? What has he done at Christ The King or Word Of God that would make you say that?
Dave actually knows these kids and covers this stuff. Surprised you haven't figure this stuff out by now...
I know that. But I also watched the kid play for 3 years at CTK and didn't see anything that would indicate him causing chemistry issues. I saw them win 3 championships with him and beat some pretty solid teams when doing so.
People said the same about Whitehead and while in year 1 it may have been a problem, he's killing it this year and has led SHU to their best season in over a decade. We aren't the Kentucky and Kansases of the world. We can't turn away 5 star kids
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Addition by subtraction.
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St. John's got the best player in New York. The 2nd best player never wanted to come here.
You're saying Ponds is better than Rawle?
Yes better scorer and more impactful player. Better suited for this team too.
Rawle is a very good player but I think this team is better off without him.
Insane statements, imo
Would be bad for chemistry. Don't need that.
How so? What has he done at Christ The King or Word Of God that would make you say that?
Dave actually knows these kids and covers this stuff. Surprised you haven't figure this stuff out by now...
I know that. But I also watched the kid play for 3 years at CTK and didn't see anything that would indicate him causing chemistry issues. I saw them win 3 championships with him and beat some pretty solid teams when doing so.
People said the same about Whitehead and while in year 1 it may have been a problem, he's killing it this year and has led SHU to their best season in over a decade. We aren't the Kentucky and Kansases of the world. We can't turn away 5 star kids
Alkins wasn't turned away, he didn't want to come here.
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St. John's got the best player in New York. The 2nd best player never wanted to come here.
You're saying Ponds is better than Rawle?
Yes better scorer and more impactful player. Better suited for this team too.
Rawle is a very good player but I think this team is better off without him.
Insane statements, imo
Would be bad for chemistry. Don't need that.
How so? What has he done at Christ The King or Word Of God that would make you say that?
Dave actually knows these kids and covers this stuff. Surprised you haven't figure this stuff out by now...
I know that. But I also watched the kid play for 3 years at CTK and didn't see anything that would indicate him causing chemistry issues. I saw them win 3 championships with him and beat some pretty solid teams when doing so.
People said the same about Whitehead and while in year 1 it may have been a problem, he's killing it this year and has led SHU to their best season in over a decade. We aren't the Kentucky and Kansases of the world. We can't turn away 5 star kids
Every team is different as is high school from college. Rawle is tough but this team's current makeup and additions I personally never saw Rawle as adding to the dynamic. Aside from that I said from jump street there was never legit shot he came here.
As for Whitehead I was a huge supporter and fan of him. I think he is wildly mischaracterized by a lot of people because Lance was such a dope. Go ahead and look back at Whitehead thread.
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Pulled this from Whitehead thread. A few of these guys turned out to be pretty good eh? I think Whitehead has played better than the names I mentioned who were ranked higher than him in HS at the time.
-2014 is thin at the top of the class. 2015 and 2016 are much deeper.
-Whitehead was probably underrated in terms of rank until right about now. He is fringe MCAA but I think he's done enough where he will be named one. A few of the voters I spoke to also agreed.
-Even right now I'd take Whitehead over kids ranked over him. I'll use ESPN for example. Blackmon, Lyle, Berry, McLaughlin, Hamilton, Perkins, Wiley, Snider, Allen, Tate, Lindsay,
-Only guard I clearly take over him is Mudiay. I'd take Jones over him. Vaughn, Johnson, Pinson, Winslow all have a a bit more physical ability that give them an edge but they're all SF which is a bit unfair to compare. I really like Devin Booker who I think his best ball is still ahead and D'Angelo Russell is one of my favorite players in the class.
Another fun antidote...
Antigua and Tiny hate each other. That office isn't big enough for the both of them
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I am glad we missed... good luck to him...
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I wouldn't be glad we missed on him unless another five star replacement somehow comes on board.
The teams with the best players generally win at the end....but all of you know that.
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This year we have Two, maybe three legit BE rotation players in Yakwe, Sima and hopefully Ellison. Next year adding more. You don't need the one big recruit every year but you would like to be able to get him when we are finally ready to compete.
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Just curious what the board thinks.
Would Rawle have come if we won these games-beat Fordham, NJIT, Incarnate, DePaul, Seton Hall (2nd time)., Marquette, and had upset one good team ie Georgetown /Nova/Xavier? Or was he stringing us the whole time and was heading to Arizona?
To be honest if I was him in this situation I would not have turned down Arizona, very good program with proven track record. Beautiful campus/facilities.
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Just curious what the board thinks.
Would Rawle have come if we won these games-beat Fordham, NJIT, Incarnate, DePaul, Seton Hall (2nd time)., Marquette, and had upset one good team ie Georgetown /Nova/Xavier? Or was he stringing us the whole time and was heading to Arizona?
To be honest if I was him in this situation I would not have turned down Arizona, very good program with proven track record. Beautiful campus/facilities.
Perhaps you should tell us what you think first. :)
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I know. Was making the point that I think Durand would have been better had he had more around him and been asked to do less.
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Johnson was a Slice recruit. Pitt connection.
It's been a rough year but decent stop gaps.
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Just curious what the board thinks.
Would Rawle have come if we won these games-beat Fordham, NJIT, Incarnate, DePaul, Seton Hall (2nd time)., Marquette, and had upset one good team ie Georgetown /Nova/Xavier? Or was he stringing us the whole time and was heading to Arizona?
To be honest if I was him in this situation I would not have turned down Arizona, very good program with proven track record. Beautiful campus/facilities.
Perhaps you should tell us what you think first. :)
I think he initially pondered us, but then once he saw how the season played out and the clear interest of a great program like Arizona we had no shot. Also easier to make argument to go away once you were already away at prep school for a year. Maybe if he stayed would have benefited us. Like I said if I was him I would have chosen Arizona too with the uncertainty and unproven track record of team and staff as far as coaching that is here. Playing with Ponds was probably intriguing but one cannot deny the bright lights of MSG is not a solid a marketing tool as it once was. These players care more about program infrastructure now in getting to the league.
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This year we have Two, maybe three legit BE rotation players in Yakwe, Sima and hopefully Ellison. Next year adding more. You don't need the one big recruit every year but you would like to be able to get him when we are finally ready to compete.
Guards- LoVett, Mussini, Ellison, Ponds
Swings- Ahmed, Freudenberg
Bigs- Sima, Yakwe, Owens, Amar
Not counting on Williams and I think Jones transfers. I envision one more swing and a 5th year transfer big bodied big. I think they could hold over a schools if they swing and miss.
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Just curious what the board thinks.
Would Rawle have come if we won these games-beat Fordham, NJIT, Incarnate, DePaul, Seton Hall (2nd time)., Marquette, and had upset one good team ie Georgetown /Nova/Xavier? Or was he stringing us the whole time and was heading to Arizona?
To be honest if I was him in this situation I would not have turned down Arizona, very good program with proven track record. Beautiful campus/facilities.
Perhaps you should tell us what you think first. :)
I think he initially pondered us, but then once he saw how the season played out and the clear interest of a great program like Arizona we had no shot. Also easier to make argument to go away once you were already away at prep school for a year. Maybe if he stayed would have benefited us. Like I said if I was him I would have chosen Arizona too with the uncertainty and unproven track record of team and staff as far as coaching that is here. Playing with Ponds was probably intriguing but one cannot deny the bright lights of MSG is not a solid a marketing tool as it once was. These players care more about program infrastructure now in getting to the league.
Bright lights of NY were #1 reason for Mussini, Yakwe, and Freudenberg.
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St. John's got the best player in New York. The 2nd best player never wanted to come here.
You're saying Ponds is better than Rawle?
Yes better scorer and more impactful player. Better suited for this team too.
Rawle is a very good player but I think this team is better off without him.
Insane statements, imo
Would be bad for chemistry. Don't need that.
How so? What has he done at Christ The King or Word Of God that would make you say that?
Dave actually knows these kids and covers this stuff. Surprised you haven't figure this stuff out by now...
I know that. But I also watched the kid play for 3 years at CTK and didn't see anything that would indicate him causing chemistry issues. I saw them win 3 championships with him and beat some pretty solid teams when doing so.
People said the same about Whitehead and while in year 1 it may have been a problem, he's killing it this year and has led SHU to their best season in over a decade. We aren't the Kentucky and Kansases of the world. We can't turn away 5 star kids
Alkins wasn't turned away, he didn't want to come here.
I am aware of that but it seems like some think we shouldn't have pursued him in the first place and some are happy he didn't come here, which I think is just a certifiably insane thought
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St. John's got the best player in New York. The 2nd best player never wanted to come here.
You're saying Ponds is better than Rawle?
Yes better scorer and more impactful player. Better suited for this team too.
Rawle is a very good player but I think this team is better off without him.
Insane statements, imo
Would be bad for chemistry. Don't need that.
How so? What has he done at Christ The King or Word Of God that would make you say that?
Dave actually knows these kids and covers this stuff. Surprised you haven't figure this stuff out by now...
I know that. But I also watched the kid play for 3 years at CTK and didn't see anything that would indicate him causing chemistry issues. I saw them win 3 championships with him and beat some pretty solid teams when doing so.
People said the same about Whitehead and while in year 1 it may have been a problem, he's killing it this year and has led SHU to their best season in over a decade. We aren't the Kentucky and Kansases of the world. We can't turn away 5 star kids
Every team is different as is high school from college. Rawle is tough but this team's current makeup and additions I personally never saw Rawle as adding to the dynamic. Aside from that I said from jump street there was never legit shot he came here.
As for Whitehead I was a huge supporter and fan of him. I think he is wildly mischaracterized by a lot of people because Lance was such a dope. Go ahead and look back at Whitehead thread.
This team has no current make up. It's not a team yet. Only player who looks like a starter is Yakwe.
Bottom line is if Seton Hall and Providence are getting players like Dunn and Whitehead, we need to as well.
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This year we have Two, maybe three legit BE rotation players in Yakwe, Sima and hopefully Ellison. Next year adding more. You don't need the one big recruit every year but you would like to be able to get him when we are finally ready to compete.
Guards- LoVett, Mussini, Ellison, Ponds
Swings- Ahmed, Freudenberg
Bigs- Sima, Yakwe, Owens, Amar
Not counting on Williams and I think Jones transfers. I envision one more swing and a 5th year transfer big bodied big. I think they could hold over a schools if they swing and miss.
I do not consider Amar or Mussini as rotation level BE players on a decent team.
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Just curious what the board thinks.
Would Rawle have come if we won these games-beat Fordham, NJIT, Incarnate, DePaul, Seton Hall (2nd time)., Marquette, and had upset one good team ie Georgetown /Nova/Xavier? Or was he stringing us the whole time and was heading to Arizona?
To be honest if I was him in this situation I would not have turned down Arizona, very good program with proven track record. Beautiful campus/facilities.
Perhaps you should tell us what you think first. :)
I think he initially pondered us, but then once he saw how the season played out and the clear interest of a great program like Arizona we had no shot. Also easier to make argument to go away once you were already away at prep school for a year. Maybe if he stayed would have benefited us. Like I said if I was him I would have chosen Arizona too with the uncertainty and unproven track record of team and staff as far as coaching that is here. Playing with Ponds was probably intriguing but one cannot deny the bright lights of MSG is not a solid a marketing tool as it once was. These players care more about program infrastructure now in getting to the league.
Bright lights of NY were #1 reason for Mussini, Yakwe, and Freudenberg.
European players are not factored here they only think of big city. I mean to say domestic players that think through more things Yakwe was here already-he had a good relationship with St John's from his high school, handler, Lav, and Matt A. Former teammates Felix and Chris had already played here. I don't think MSG was the important draw for him, more relationship centered.
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Guards- LoVett, Mussini, Ellison, Ponds
Swings- Ahmed, Freudenberg
Bigs- Sima, Yakwe, Owens, Amar
Not counting on Williams and I think Jones transfers. I envision one more swing and a 5th year transfer big bodied big. I think they could hold over a schools if they swing and miss.
I hope Jones stays. Really liked his improvement as the year went on this year, and I think he can give us good minutes next year if he really selectively picks his spots. He's got a skill set none of our other bigs have yet, but I could also see him being a bit unnecessary with the solid offensive options we have coming in.
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Guards- LoVett, Mussini, Ellison, Ponds
Swings- Ahmed, Freudenberg
Bigs- Sima, Yakwe, Owens, Amar
Not counting on Williams and I think Jones transfers. I envision one more swing and a 5th year transfer big bodied big. I think they could hold over a schools if they swing and miss.
I hope Jones stays. Really liked his improvement as the year went on this year, and I think he can give us good minutes next year if he really selectively picks his spots. He's got a skill set none of our other bigs have yet, but I could also see him being a bit unnecessary with the solid offensive options we have coming in.
Huge +1. Cant wait to see some ally oops next year. Jones caught two of them in one exhibition with LoVett. He didnt catch a single one the rest of the year. He and the rest of the crew will be the beneficiary of some much needed penetration leading to easy baskets next year.
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This year we have Two, maybe three legit BE rotation players in Yakwe, Sima and hopefully Ellison. Next year adding more. You don't need the one big recruit every year but you would like to be able to get him when we are finally ready to compete.
Guards- LoVett, Mussini, Ellison, Ponds
Swings- Ahmed, Freudenberg
Bigs- Sima, Yakwe, Owens, Amar
Not counting on Williams and I think Jones transfers. I envision one more swing and a 5th year transfer big bodied big. I think they could hold over a schools if they swing and miss.
I do not consider Amar or Mussini as rotation level BE players on a decent team.
Amar is so wildly inconsistent that I can agree with you but after just one year I can't judge Mussini. He faded down the stretch a lot. He played too many minutes and was really exposed. I think he will be a nice bench piece for us moving forward when he is in a role that suits him better.
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Guards- LoVett, Mussini, Ellison, Ponds
Swings- Ahmed, Freudenberg
Bigs- Sima, Yakwe, Owens, Amar
Not counting on Williams and I think Jones transfers. I envision one more swing and a 5th year transfer big bodied big. I think they could hold over a schools if they swing and miss.
I hope Jones stays. Really liked his improvement as the year went on this year, and I think he can give us good minutes next year if he really selectively picks his spots. He's got a skill set none of our other bigs have yet, but I could also see him being a bit unnecessary with the solid offensive options we have coming in.
Huge +1. Cant wait to see some ally oops next year. Jones caught two of them in one exhibition with LoVett. He didnt catch a single one the rest of the year. He and the rest of the crew will be the beneficiary of some much needed penetration leading to easy baskets next year.
I agree on Jones. I know everyone on here seems to hate him but I like the way he played for the most part this year. We will be an extremely young team next year and I wouldn't mind having Jones come off the bench to score and grab some boards for us. He is another guy that probably played too much this year but I think he can be effective in a bench role next season.
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This year we have Two, maybe three legit BE rotation players in Yakwe, Sima and hopefully Ellison. Next year adding more. You don't need the one big recruit every year but you would like to be able to get him when we are finally ready to compete.
Guards- LoVett, Mussini, Ellison, Ponds
Swings- Ahmed, Freudenberg
Bigs- Sima, Yakwe, Owens, Amar
Not counting on Williams and I think Jones transfers. I envision one more swing and a 5th year transfer big bodied big. I think they could hold over a schools if they swing and miss.
I do not consider Amar or Mussini as rotation level BE players on a decent team.
Amar is so wildly inconsistent that I can agree with you but after just one year I can't judge Mussini. He faded down the stretch a lot. He played too many minutes and was really exposed. I think he will be a nice bench piece for us moving forward when he is in a role that suits him better.
I don't think Mussini's one true skill is good enough to warrant him getting minutes over Ponds, Lovett or now even Ellison
Amar is not inconsistent. Had two really goods games otherwise he stinks
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Amar should take full advantage of any European opportunities that come his way. Sorry
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Yakwe was the only rotational big east player we had. Sima would have gotten minutes backing someone up ( I think he will be good). Ellison redshirts on a decent team. Mussini, Amar, and jones not big east players-
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Yakwe was the only rotational big east player we had. Sima would have gotten minutes backing someone up ( I think he will be good). Ellison redshirts on a decent team. Mussini, Amar, and jones not big east players-
A rotational player doesn't mean a starter so as back up Sima would be a rotational player. I agree that neither Mussini or Ellison would gotten any burn for other Big East teams this year but I think they will be productive players for a successful team when are upperclassmen. Mussini might be second guard off the bench next year he will still in be in the rotation. I dont think anyone thinks Amar is anymore then a player deep on your bench.
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I fell like with players like Lovett and Ponds being able to attack , it will open up the floor and a guy like Mussini has a chance to be a weapon. Spreading the floor and allowing him to spot up for 3s is smart and plays to his ( and the other guards) strengths.
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Mussini was also so overused it was unbelievable. He logged way too many minutes early on and wore down. He would've been very good as a guy who played about 15 minutes a night and took 3-5 threes a night. He had to get acclimated to this. I agree that with Ponds and Lovett and Freudenberg and Ahmed, more space will be open for Mussini who wont' be exhausted from so many minutes and so much responsibility. I expect about 10ppg, 15mpg and high 30s 3pt % and be a viable option come crunch time when we need a big 3.
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Mussini is a nice player who was definitely asked to do too much as a freshman. He will perform much better with more talent around him, and other actual PG's on the court. He will be an excellent shooter when all is said and done and has already shown he can make big shots in crunch time. Will be a valuable player for us down the stretch, likely off the bench.
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Mussini can shoot nonsense is based off a couple early season games and the one Cuse game I guess? Kid has been playing limited minutes for a few weeks now and still not hitting shots. He is as one dimensional as you can get and that dimension is not that good. See him basically being a specialist next year getting about 10 minutes a game.
In last 10 games getting 21 minutes a game averaging 5 points a game on 21% shooting.
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Yakwe was the only rotational big east player we had. Sima would have gotten minutes backing someone up ( I think he will be good). Ellison redshirts on a decent team. Mussini, Amar, and jones not big east players-
I think Ellison would have gotten some run on a lot of Big East teams. Another one of those guys that would have been more successful if he didn't have to do too much.
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Mussini can shoot nonsense is based off a couple early season games and the one Cuse game I guess? Kid has been playing limited minutes for a few weeks now and still not hitting shots. He is as one dimensional as you can get and that dimension is not that good. See him basically being a specialist next year getting about 10 minutes a game.
In last 10 games getting 21 minutes a game averaging 5 points a game on 21% shooting.
55-181 from 3 for the year, .30 %
20-38 in 4 games: chaminade (5-9), cuse (5-7), 5-14 (NJIT) and Xavier (5-8), .52 %
35 -143 the remaining 27 games, .24 %
That's a lot of stinking.
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Mussini can shoot nonsense is based off a couple early season games and the one Cuse game I guess? Kid has been playing limited minutes for a few weeks now and still not hitting shots. He is as one dimensional as you can get and that dimension is not that good. See him basically being a specialist next year getting about 10 minutes a game.
In last 10 games getting 21 minutes a game averaging 5 points a game on 21% shooting.
55-181 from 3 for the year, .30 %
20-38 in 4 games: chaminade (5-9), cuse (5-7), 5-14 (NJIT) and Xavier (5-8), .52 %
35 -143 the remaining 27 games, .24 %
That's a lot of stinking.
Was just going to post that. In 31 games he shot over 50% overall from the field 4 times and not once since Cuse game on 12/13/2015 which is looking more and more like an aberration.
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Guards- LoVett, Mussini, Ellison, Ponds
Swings- Ahmed, Freudenberg
Bigs- Sima, Yakwe, Owens, Amar
Not counting on Williams and I think Jones transfers. I envision one more swing and a 5th year transfer big bodied big. I think they could hold over a schools if they swing and miss.
I hope Jones stays. Really liked his improvement as the year went on this year, and I think he can give us good minutes next year if he really selectively picks his spots. He's got a skill set none of our other bigs have yet, but I could also see him being a bit unnecessary with the solid offensive options we have coming in.
Huge +1. Cant wait to see some ally oops next year. Jones caught two of them in one exhibition with LoVett. He didnt catch a single one the rest of the year. He and the rest of the crew will be the beneficiary of some much needed penetration leading to easy baskets next year.
I agree on Jones. I know everyone on here seems to hate him but I like the way he played for the most part this year. We will be an extremely young team next year and I wouldn't mind having Jones come off the bench to score and grab some boards for us. He is another guy that probably played too much this year but I think he can be effective in a bench role next season.
If Jones wants to put in the work over the summer then yes, we should all want him back. If he needs a break, and wants to chill out over the summer, he should transfer to North Texas. He obviously showed improvement, but that was really improvement from nothing. At times, he looked like Anthony Glover. Other times, he looked like Dexter Gray.
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And still Ellison gets a pass
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Mussini can shoot nonsense is based off a couple early season games and the one Cuse game I guess? Kid has been playing limited minutes for a few weeks now and still not hitting shots. He is as one dimensional as you can get and that dimension is not that good. See him basically being a specialist next year getting about 10 minutes a game.
In last 10 games getting 21 minutes a game averaging 5 points a game on 21% shooting.
55-181 from 3 for the year, .30 %
20-38 in 4 games: chaminade (5-9), cuse (5-7), 5-14 (NJIT) and Xavier (5-8), .52 %
35 -143 the remaining 27 games, .24 %
That's a lot of stinking.
Was just going to post that. In 31 games he shot over 50% overall from the field 4 times and not once since Cuse game on 12/13/2015 which is looking more and more like an aberration.
Why is it an aberration and not simply a sign that he has been overused and its worn out now?
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And still Ellison gets a pass
His value is mostly based on potential. Guys can improve shooting, but it is really hard to get taller and quicker
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Mussini can shoot nonsense is based off a couple early season games and the one Cuse game I guess? Kid has been playing limited minutes for a few weeks now and still not hitting shots. He is as one dimensional as you can get and that dimension is not that good. See him basically being a specialist next year getting about 10 minutes a game.
In last 10 games getting 21 minutes a game averaging 5 points a game on 21% shooting.
55-181 from 3 for the year, .30 %
20-38 in 4 games: chaminade (5-9), cuse (5-7), 5-14 (NJIT) and Xavier (5-8), .52 %
35 -143 the remaining 27 games, .24 %
That's a lot of stinking.
Was just going to post that. In 31 games he shot over 50% overall from the field 4 times and not once since Cuse game on 12/13/2015 which is looking more and more like an aberration.
Why is it an aberration and not simply a sign that he has been overused and its worn out now?
He is not a pitcher coming off TJ surgery. He is an 18 year old kid that has been averaging 20 minutes a game for the last 3 weeks and his shooting has actually gotten worse
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And still Ellison gets a pass
His value is mostly based on potential. Guys can improve shooting, but it is really hard to get taller and quicker
So you agree he gets a pass..
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Mussini was the conference's best free throw shooter, and remember only a skinny freshman with few other guard options on the team. I think Mussini will improve his shooting efficiency a lot over next few years. He's got a great stroke and a great quality that he likes making the big shot. Yeah, his shooting has struggled lately, but again...he's only a freshman and has had a difficult role this year. I thought Ellison looked awful early on but has gotten going a bit. He's good very good size and will be that big guard people are asking for over next few years.
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And still Ellison gets a pass
His value is mostly based on potential. Guys can improve shooting, but it is really hard to get taller and quicker
So you agree he gets a pass..
Not at all, he got killed on these boards way worse than Mussini has. Ellison has played better and because he has good size and athletic ability people can envision him improving. It seems Mussini's improving is being based on Lovett being able to find him for the same open shots he has been missing all year outside of 4 games.
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And still Ellison gets a pass
He's got a ton of work to do as well but him and Mussini seemed to go in opposite directions this year. Remember, he was playing out of position, too, but he was able to hold his own for the most part.
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Mussini can shoot nonsense is based off a couple early season games and the one Cuse game I guess? Kid has been playing limited minutes for a few weeks now and still not hitting shots. He is as one dimensional as you can get and that dimension is not that good. See him basically being a specialist next year getting about 10 minutes a game.
In last 10 games getting 21 minutes a game averaging 5 points a game on 21% shooting.
55-181 from 3 for the year, .30 %
20-38 in 4 games: chaminade (5-9), cuse (5-7), 5-14 (NJIT) and Xavier (5-8), .52 %
35 -143 the remaining 27 games, .24 %
That's a lot of stinking.
Was just going to post that. In 31 games he shot over 50% overall from the field 4 times and not once since Cuse game on 12/13/2015 which is looking more and more like an aberration.
Why is it an aberration and not simply a sign that he has been overused and its worn out now?
He is not a pitcher coming off TJ surgery. He is an 18 year old kid that has been averaging 20 minutes a game for the last 3 weeks and his shooting has actually gotten worse
No but he is a 19 year old kid who isn't from this country who has asked to pretty much carry an overachieving team early on by playing close to or over 35mpg. 8 times he played over 35 minutes prior to 1/24 and he played less than 30 minutes just twice in that span. That's insane for a kid whose never played American basketball and as has been stated, is simply (supposedly) very good at one aspect of the game.
So I'm not going to kill a kid that's lost 35 pounds due to being over used SIGNIFICANTLY in for the better half of his first season.
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Mussini will be much better next year just from a maturity, experience and strength standpoint (has to be on a strength program this summer). I think he'll surprise some people on this board who are writing him off. Ellison, I'm not so sure about. The size is there but I just see something missing in his game. I'm sure he'll keep improving and I'm rooting for him but he needs to develop that killer instinct.
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Mussini was the conference's best free throw shooter, and remember only a skinny freshman with few other guard options on the team. I think Mussini will improve his shooting efficiency a lot over next few years. He's got a great stroke and a great quality that he likes making the big shot. Yeah, his shooting has struggled lately, but again...he's only a freshman and has had a difficult role this year. I thought Ellison looked awful early on but has gotten going a bit. He's good very good size and will be that big guard people are asking for over next few years.
Agree for the most part and hope Ellison keeps developing.
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The problem next year is if he doesn't knock down shots with better options available not sure how much PT he will get. He will have to hit shots at a way better rate to play
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Mussini will be much better next year just from a maturity, experience and strength standpoint (has to be on a strength program this summer). I think he'll surprise some people on this board who are writing him off. Ellison, I'm not so sure about. The size is there but I just see something missing in his game. I'm sure he'll keep improving and I'm rooting for him but he needs to develop that killer instinct.
Yeah experience and decision making is what is missing from his game (re:Ellison). And it will come, I think sooner rather than later. He already has the size and speed to be an effective slasher, his shooting got way better as the year went on, especially as he started getting comfortable from certain spots, and by all accounts is the gym rat and student of the game that will be able to put it all together. If you aren't excited about Ellison, we haven't been watching the same games.
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Just to further that last post, I think of the 4 freshmen this year, Yakwe has the highest ceiling (far and away IMO), but after that I have to say Ellison. Sima is going to be a really nice player and has a good shot at the NBA down the road, strong defensively and developing an offensive game, but I think Ellison can potentially be a real impact player offensively, around the rim and as a spot up shooter.
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Still so disappointed with Alkins but the best we can do now is the grad transfer that would be so disappointing
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Still so disappointed with Alkins but the best we can do now is the grad transfer that would be so disappointing
We have the number 1 class in the conference without making anymore additions so don't be too disappointed.
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Mussini can shoot nonsense is based off a couple early season games and the one Cuse game I guess? Kid has been playing limited minutes for a few weeks now and still not hitting shots. He is as one dimensional as you can get and that dimension is not that good. See him basically being a specialist next year getting about 10 minutes a game.
In last 10 games getting 21 minutes a game averaging 5 points a game on 21% shooting.
55-181 from 3 for the year, .30 %
20-38 in 4 games: chaminade (5-9), cuse (5-7), 5-14 (NJIT) and Xavier (5-8), .52 %
35 -143 the remaining 27 games, .24 %
That's a lot of stinking.
Was just going to post that. In 31 games he shot over 50% overall from the field 4 times and not once since Cuse game on 12/13/2015 which is looking more and more like an aberration.
Be curious to see the stats of the rest of our great players on how many times they shot over 50% if you care to check. With all of our all league players would imagine it will be quite high.
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Be curious to see the stats of the rest of our great players on how many times they shot over 50% if you care to check.
In the first place, if you're curious go look yourself. That's what I do when I'm curious about something, I look into it so that I can become informed about it. Imagine what the world would be like if everyone who was curious about something just sat there like a lump wondering about it. Madame Curie: I am curious about isotopes if you care to check them for me. Albert Einstein: I am curious about time and space, could you Ask Jeeves about it for me. Nicola Tesla: this electricity stuff sounds fascinating, I hope someone looks into it some day. In the second place none of our other great players are one dimensional no trick ponies who have been proclaimed the greatest shooter since Chris Mullin, so their lack of shooting prowess is irrelevant.
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Kris Dunn freshman year played 27mpg shot 31% and averaged 3.8ppg
Isaiah Whitehead shot 36% last year
Ryan Arcidiacano freshman year played shot 34% averaged 11ppg
I think some of you guys have unrealistic expectations sometimes of players early in their career. Patience.
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Kris Dunn freshman year played 27mpg shot 31% and averaged 3.8ppg
Isaiah Whitehead shot 36% last year
Ryan Arcidiacano freshman year played shot 34% averaged 11ppg
I think some of you guys have unrealistic expectations sometimes of players early in their career. Patience.
So the unrealistic expectations aren't from the people who say Mussini is the best shooter since Chris Mullin, it's the people who say he isn't. Good point.
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Kris Dunn freshman year played 27mpg shot 31% and averaged 3.8ppg
Isaiah Whitehead shot 36% last year
Ryan Arcidiacano freshman year played shot 34% averaged 11ppg
I think some of you guys have unrealistic expectations sometimes of players early in their career. Patience.
So the unrealistic expectations aren't from the people who say Mussini is the best shooter since Chris Mullin, it's the people who say he isn't. Good point.
Both
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Kris Dunn freshman year played 27mpg shot 31% and averaged 3.8ppg
Isaiah Whitehead shot 36% last year
Ryan Arcidiacano freshman year played shot 34% averaged 11ppg
I think some of you guys have unrealistic expectations sometimes of players early in their career. Patience.
So the unrealistic expectations aren't from the people who say Mussini is the best shooter since Chris Mullin, it's the people who say he isn't. Good point.
I think Mussini is a really good shooter who has taken some tough shots this year. He has good touch around the basket but struggles with contact. Physically limited defensively but has good active hands. All signs point to improvement with physical maturity and I'm good with that.
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Kris Dunn freshman year played 27mpg shot 31% and averaged 3.8ppg
Isaiah Whitehead shot 36% last year
Ryan Arcidiacano freshman year played shot 34% averaged 11ppg
I think some of you guys have unrealistic expectations sometimes of players early in their career. Patience.
So the unrealistic expectations aren't from the people who say Mussini is the best shooter since Chris Mullin, it's the people who say he isn't. Good point.
I think Mussini is a really good shooter who has taken some tough shots this year. He has good touch around the basket but struggles with contact. Physically limited defensively but has good active hands. All signs point to improvement with physical maturity and I'm good with that.
They could point to that if he takes the summer seriously. Frankly, I think it's pretty shitty that he showed up looking like a 12 year old. He should have known that this wouldn't be easy like these Italian leagues clearly are. He did this to himself. The vanity to think that he could walk into the BE with zero muscle is unbelievable.
He got thrown around like a rag doll all year and he has only himself to blame.
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Kris Dunn freshman year played 27mpg shot 31% and averaged 3.8ppg
Isaiah Whitehead shot 36% last year
Ryan Arcidiacano freshman year played shot 34% averaged 11ppg
I think some of you guys have unrealistic expectations sometimes of players early in their career. Patience.
They were BE players, and they led their team to wins at least some of the time. Mussini isn't in their class. Not even close.
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Kris Dunn freshman year played 27mpg shot 31% and averaged 3.8ppg
Isaiah Whitehead shot 36% last year
Ryan Arcidiacano freshman year played shot 34% averaged 11ppg
I think some of you guys have unrealistic expectations sometimes of players early in their career. Patience.
They were BE players, and they led their team to wins at least some of the time. Mussini isn't in their class. Not even close.
Dave's point is to illustrate that great players often struggle freshman year, not to classify Mussini as a peer. None of those three had lead guard responsibilities the way that Mussini does. Dunn was Cotton's sidekick, Whitehead had Gibbs, and Arch was one of 4 guards on the floor at all times in their freshman years. There literally is not another natural guard (SG included) on the active roster here. But you're right in that Mussini probably won't eventually win a BE POY or be first team all BE.
Mussini is neither as bad as those down on him think he is, nor is he as good as he seemingly could have been when we were initially recruiting him. He will be a fine player in a complementary role that more appropriately suits him. His upside is Kevin Pangos, but he is more likely Jaren Sina. And that is just fine given our roster makeup next year and beyond.
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Kris Dunn freshman year played 27mpg shot 31% and averaged 3.8ppg
Isaiah Whitehead shot 36% last year
Ryan Arcidiacano freshman year played shot 34% averaged 11ppg
I think some of you guys have unrealistic expectations sometimes of players early in their career. Patience.
So the unrealistic expectations aren't from the people who say Mussini is the best shooter since Chris Mullin, it's the people who say he isn't. Good point.
I think Mussini is a really good shooter who has taken some tough shots this year. He has good touch around the basket but struggles with contact. Physically limited defensively but has good active hands. All signs point to improvement with physical maturity and I'm good with that.
His game clearly changed in the 2nd half of the game. His shot was altered and he wasn't able to be the leader this team needed. I don't think decreased minutes will necessarily improve his game. Too slow and too weak for what we want to do. We may have already seen the best of Freddy.
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Kris Dunn freshman year played 27mpg shot 31% and averaged 3.8ppg
Isaiah Whitehead shot 36% last year
Ryan Arcidiacano freshman year played shot 34% averaged 11ppg
I think some of you guys have unrealistic expectations sometimes of players early in their career. Patience.
So the unrealistic expectations aren't from the people who say Mussini is the best shooter since Chris Mullin, it's the people who say he isn't. Good point.
I think Mussini is a really good shooter who has taken some tough shots this year. He has good touch around the basket but struggles with contact. Physically limited defensively but has good active hands. All signs point to improvement with physical maturity and I'm good with that.
I agree with all that except there's no evidence that he's a really good shooter. The evidence is that he's a really bad shooter who looks like he should be a really good shooter. Saint John's has had many of those over the years. It may be that he's exhausted or that his confidence is shot or just that he's a freshman or whatever. But between two camps, one which says he's going to explode next year because he's the best shooter since Mullin and another that says the fact that he's shooting 20 percent from three in 85 percent of his games suggests he's not the best shooter since Mullin, it's odd that the fact based ones need to temper their expectations. Personally I'd like to watch a basketball program where almost no freshman play ever, not just because most of them are awful but because it suggests that the program is operating from a position of strength that can be sustained over the long term. My expectation is that if Mussini is a key player next year then SJ will not be in that position, because he has physical limitations that will be difficult for him to overcome. Kris Dunn and Whitehead are is 6'4 and 220 pounds. Mussini is an Oompa Loompa. He'd have to do a lot of things really really well to deserve to be mentioned in the same breath with those two.
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Mussini can shoot nonsense is based off a couple early season games and the one Cuse game I guess? Kid has been playing limited minutes for a few weeks now and still not hitting shots. He is as one dimensional as you can get and that dimension is not that good. See him basically being a specialist next year getting about 10 minutes a game.
In last 10 games getting 21 minutes a game averaging 5 points a game on 21% shooting.
55-181 from 3 for the year, .30 %
20-38 in 4 games: chaminade (5-9), cuse (5-7), 5-14 (NJIT) and Xavier (5-8), .52 %
35 -143 the remaining 27 games, .24 %
That's a lot of stinking.
Was just going to post that. In 31 games he shot over 50% overall from the field 4 times and not once since Cuse game on 12/13/2015 which is looking more and more like an aberration.
Be curious to see the stats of the rest of our great players on how many times they shot over 50% if you care to check. With all of our all league players would imagine it will be quite high.
For the season he is shooting 33% and 30% from three. Can't do much worse than that. And as Fun pointed out that is what he supposedly does well...
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Kris Dunn freshman year played 27mpg shot 31% and averaged 3.8ppg
Isaiah Whitehead shot 36% last year
Ryan Arcidiacano freshman year played shot 34% averaged 11ppg
I think some of you guys have unrealistic expectations sometimes of players early in their career. Patience.
As with the case of Ellison, you can eventually shoot better but all those guys even Ryan A are far superior athletes to Mussini. The reason he is not a good shooter is he is forever going to have a problem getting it off. And now he is rushing wide open jumpers and not making those either. Will he eventually calm down and hit open shots? Maybe But there is not a lot of upside to his game as opposed to the guys you mentioned who also do other things very well.
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Dave's point is to illustrate that great players often struggle freshman year,
Bad players also struggle their freshman year. The fact that he's struggling doesn't prove anything. Most freshmen stink, some get better, some don't. Hopefully he does. The question is where his ceiling is. It does not seem to me to be that high. He's not going to get taller or faster over the summer. He's not going to learn to dribble like Frank Alagia over the summer. How good a shooter can he be - Max Hooper's allegedly a prodigy and he shoots 45 percent. Is he the sort of 4 year player you'd like to have, works hard, stays in school, good citizen, sure, happy he's here. Chris Mullin, I don't think so.
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Dave's point is to illustrate that great players often struggle freshman year,
Bad players also struggle their freshman year. The fact that he's struggling doesn't prove anything. Most freshmen stink, some get better, some don't. Hopefully he does. The question is where his ceiling is. It does not seem to me to be that high. He's not going to get taller or faster over the summer. He's not going to learn to dribble like Frank Alagia over the summer. How good a shooter can he be - Max Hooper's allegedly a prodigy and he shoots 45 percent. Is he the sort of 4 year player you'd like to have, works hard, stays in school, good citizen, sure, happy he's here. Chris Mullin, I don't think so.
I hate to use warmups as any kind of barometer but if you watched Hooper the year he was here he gave the worlds Greatest warmup shooter Steve Shurina a run for his money. Mussini not in those two guys league.
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I think the only point anyone who is defending Mussini is trying to make it give him more time. You can't have the jury out on a player after his freshman year. No one is saying he is going to be Dunn or Whitehead because he isn't but those guys had very rocky freshman years and are now going to be NBA players. It just shows you can't judge a guy fully after one year. Is there a shot he never improves? Yea sure there but let's see how his career plays out before we cast aside pretty highly rated freshman who took a chance on us when we had no roster to play with.
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Dave's point is to illustrate that great players often struggle freshman year,
Bad players also struggle their freshman year. The fact that he's struggling doesn't prove anything. Most freshmen stink, some get better, some don't. Hopefully he does. The question is where his ceiling is. It does not seem to me to be that high. He's not going to get taller or faster over the summer. He's not going to learn to dribble like Frank Alagia over the summer. How good a shooter can he be - Max Hooper's allegedly a prodigy and he shoots 45 percent. Is he the sort of 4 year player you'd like to have, works hard, stays in school, good citizen, sure, happy he's here. Chris Mullin, I don't think so.
I guess what I am missing is the people who suggested that he has Chris Mullin upside. The kid is absolutely the kind of 4 year player you describe (I think all of the freshman are), but I think it's unfair to suggest that he is as one dimensional as Max Hooper. Give him time - we got plenty of that in this rebuild.
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I think the only point anyone who is defending Mussini is trying to make it give him more time. You can't have the jury out on a player after his freshman year. No one is saying he is going to be Dunn or Whitehead because he isn't but those guys had very rocky freshman years and are now going to be NBA players. It just shows you can't judge a guy fully after one year. Is there a shot he never improves? Yea sure there but let's see how his career plays out before we cast aside pretty highly rated freshman who took a chance on us when we had no roster to play with.
That is fair and I don't think anyone is saying they should pull his scholie but I do think he will struggle to get minutes next year.
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I think the only point anyone who is defending Mussini is trying to make it give him more time. You can't have the jury out on a player after his freshman year. No one is saying he is going to be Dunn or Whitehead because he isn't but those guys had very rocky freshman years and are now going to be NBA players. It just shows you can't judge a guy fully after one year. Is there a shot he never improves? Yea sure there but let's see how his career plays out before we cast aside pretty highly rated freshman who took a chance on us when we had no roster to play with.
Agree. Even if he just marginally improves over his career here, he'd be a solid guard off the bench. If he does better than that, great.
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Mussini is better then the kid we had from st. Francis prep a few years ago, Mike ( something Italian that begins with a C). But he is closer to him in my opinion then to a big east 2 guard.
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Mussini is better then the kid we had from st. Francis prep a few years ago, Mike ( something Italian that begins with a C). But he is closer to him in my opinion then to a big east 2 guard.
Cavataio
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He's not better than Cavataio...not now.
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We have a lot to look forward to with the 2015 class (Malik-Moose-Yak-Sima). This particular group is incredibly young, humble, and hard working. They should serve as great representatives for the program with their best days ahead of them. To evaluate and critique their stat lines in the climate they got thrown into is not right. I agree with the majority, wait until they have reputable wings and lead guards before you start throwing stones. There isn't a basketball player in the world who would turn down a summer training program with Chris Mullin, and these guys are getting a invested Chris that should prove major dividends come next season.
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He's not better than Cavataio...not now.
Stop it
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He's not better than Cavataio...not now.
Stop it
Well if he gets shut down tonight. It won't be because he is tired
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He's not better than Cavataio...not now.
Stop it
Well if he gets shut down tonight. It won't be because he is tired
Well it is kind of a late game
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The problem is , he has been very bad lately. One would think a freshman would improve as the season goes on. Re, being worn out ,he has been playing significantly less minutes lately. Of course , I think his confidence is shot and part of his problem is between his ears. Hes not going to challenge Ponds as a starter. But, hopefully he can have some productive minutes off the bench next year. We will have a better supporting cast, so he wont be guarded as tightly as this year.
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Wasju, tell us where you see him in the future. And don't hedge your bets like you do with most other things ;)
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Wasju, tell us where you see him in the future. And don't hedge your bets like you do with most other things ;)
Going to hedge a little.
You can see how frustrated he is. Feel bad for him and my criticism about his game is really aimed at the people who keep talking about how great a shooter he is because... lets be honest because he is white.
I think Mullin has tried to limit his minute not because he is tired, but because he is getting more and more frustrated by the minute. I think with better options next year he will see an even greater decrease in playing time. Mullin is not a guy who wants to lose. He is not going to play Mussini big minutes just to give him experience. He will have to hit shots to play.
I think next year he will see his minutes decrease and it will be a big decision for him to either put in the work get bigger, stronger and still work at playing the point or go back to Europe.
I predict he gets uneven minutes the next two years then in his senior year he is the 2nd leading scorer and starting point guard.
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Mullin was a GM in the NBA; his strength is evaluating talent. Slice and Matt are two of the best recruiters in college ball; their strength is acquiring talent. If Mussini fills a role where he can help us win next year, he'll play. If not, he won't.
Personally, think that a guard who can hit FTs at 88% and ice a game has a role on a college team. We couldn't use him for that this year because we never had leads, but that should change next year.
If Mussini's playing time is reduced too drastically can't see him staying here much longer with pro money waiting on the table in Italy. My bet is that he works hard all off-season, carves out a role, and helps us win next year before he heads back home.
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Wasju, tell us where you see him in the future. And don't hedge your bets like you do with most other things ;)
Going to hedge a little.
You can see how frustrated he is. Feel bad for him and my criticism about his game is really aimed at the people who keep talking about how great a shooter he is because... lets be honest because he is white.
I think Mullin has tried to limit his minute not because he is tired, but because he is getting more and more frustrated by the minute. I think with better options next year he will see an even greater decrease in playing time. Mullin is not a guy who wants to lose. He is not going to play Mussini big minutes just to give him experience. He will have to hit shots to play.
I think next year he will see his minutes decrease and it will be a big decision for him to either put in the work get bigger, stronger and still work at playing the point or go back to Europe.
I predict he gets uneven minutes the next two years then in his senior year he is the 2nd leading scorer and starting point guard.
thanks, I'm gonna start calling you Sonic. Surprised you didn't say he'll have a successful career after transferring to Baylor, following DLO's path and leaving at first sign of struggle..
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Hitting free throws is great. Doesn't matter much, if you don't take any.
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Hitting free throws is great. Doesn't matter much, if you don't take any.
With 88 FT attempts so far, Mussini has taken 7 more FT then Phil Greene took in his first two years combined and 34 more than he took as a senior.
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Hitting free throws is great. Doesn't matter much, if you don't take any.
With 88 FT attempts so far, Mussini has taken 7 more FT then Phil Greene took in his first two years combined and 34 more than he took as a senior.
Phil Greene didn't foul people or get fouled I think he was aphenphosmphobic (fear of being touched or touching)
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That would be revelant if Phil Greene was playing tonight. I never remember anyone saying Phil green was a good player because he shot free throws well.
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That would be revelant if Phil Greene was playing tonight. I never remember anyone saying Phil green was a good player because he shot free throws well.
Never met Carmine?
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That would be revelant if Phil Greene was playing tonight. I never remember anyone saying Phil green was a good player because he shot free throws well.
You're right its not revelant. The point is 88 ft for a freshmen who is weak, no good, unable to penetrate, unable to get free, unable to shoot and anything else people say about him, is rather amazing considering "he doesn't take much"
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Dave's point is to illustrate that great players often struggle freshman year,
Bad players also struggle their freshman year. The fact that he's struggling doesn't prove anything. Most freshmen stink, some get better, some don't. Hopefully he does. The question is where his ceiling is. It does not seem to me to be that high. He's not going to get taller or faster over the summer. He's not going to learn to dribble like Frank Alagia over the summer. How good a shooter can he be - Max Hooper's allegedly a prodigy and he shoots 45 percent. Is he the sort of 4 year player you'd like to have, works hard, stays in school, good citizen, sure, happy he's here. Chris Mullin, I don't think so.
I hate to use warmups as any kind of barometer but if you watched Hooper the year he was here he gave the worlds Greatest warmup shooter Steve Shurina a run for his money. Mussini not in those two guys league.
"With that being said has the nicest looking jumper since Larry Wright was sitting on Norm's bench. Might be best jump shooter since his coach. Crafty and most fun to watch on team." Oh how the mighty have fallen
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Dave's point is to illustrate that great players often struggle freshman year,
Bad players also struggle their freshman year. The fact that he's struggling doesn't prove anything. Most freshmen stink, some get better, some don't. Hopefully he does. The question is where his ceiling is. It does not seem to me to be that high. He's not going to get taller or faster over the summer. He's not going to learn to dribble like Frank Alagia over the summer. How good a shooter can he be - Max Hooper's allegedly a prodigy and he shoots 45 percent. Is he the sort of 4 year player you'd like to have, works hard, stays in school, good citizen, sure, happy he's here. Chris Mullin, I don't think so.
I hate to use warmups as any kind of barometer but if you watched Hooper the year he was here he gave the worlds Greatest warmup shooter Steve Shurina a run for his money. Mussini not in those two guys league.
"With that being said has the nicest looking jumper since Larry Wright was sitting on Norm's bench. Might be best jump shooter since his coach. Crafty and most fun to watch on team." Oh how the mighty have fallen
Was shooting off the dribble. Now he he is almost shooting it with two hands forehead level. I fell into the trap of putting too much stock in early games. Let us call that the God's Gift rule. I think he changed his form in order to get shot off quicker.
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Dave's point is to illustrate that great players often struggle freshman year,
Bad players also struggle their freshman year. The fact that he's struggling doesn't prove anything. Most freshmen stink, some get better, some don't. Hopefully he does. The question is where his ceiling is. It does not seem to me to be that high. He's not going to get taller or faster over the summer. He's not going to learn to dribble like Frank Alagia over the summer. How good a shooter can he be - Max Hooper's allegedly a prodigy and he shoots 45 percent. Is he the sort of 4 year player you'd like to have, works hard, stays in school, good citizen, sure, happy he's here. Chris Mullin, I don't think so.
I hate to use warmups as any kind of barometer but if you watched Hooper the year he was here he gave the worlds Greatest warmup shooter Steve Shurina a run for his money. Mussini not in those two guys league.
"With that being said has the nicest looking jumper since Larry Wright was sitting on Norm's bench. Might be best jump shooter since his coach. Crafty and most fun to watch on team." Oh how the mighty have fallen
Was shooting off the dribble. Now he he is almost shooting it with two hands forehead level. I fell into the trap of putting too much stock in early games. Let us call that the God's Gift rule. I think he changed his form in order to get shot off quicker.
Heeedddggge :)
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Dave's point is to illustrate that great players often struggle freshman year,
Bad players also struggle their freshman year. The fact that he's struggling doesn't prove anything. Most freshmen stink, some get better, some don't. Hopefully he does. The question is where his ceiling is. It does not seem to me to be that high. He's not going to get taller or faster over the summer. He's not going to learn to dribble like Frank Alagia over the summer. How good a shooter can he be - Max Hooper's allegedly a prodigy and he shoots 45 percent. Is he the sort of 4 year player you'd like to have, works hard, stays in school, good citizen, sure, happy he's here. Chris Mullin, I don't think so.
I hate to use warmups as any kind of barometer but if you watched Hooper the year he was here he gave the worlds Greatest warmup shooter Steve Shurina a run for his money. Mussini not in those two guys league.
"With that being said has the nicest looking jumper since Larry Wright was sitting on Norm's bench. Might be best jump shooter since his coach. Crafty and most fun to watch on team." Oh how the mighty have fallen
Was shooting off the dribble. Now he he is almost shooting it with two hands forehead level. I fell into the trap of putting too much stock in early games. Let us call that the God's Gift rule. I think he changed his form in order to get shot off quicker.
Heeedddggge :)
Wanted the Mullin era to go well and got caught up in the hype of a good game. Happens to the best of us, even the very best-me ;)
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Mussini or Alkins thread? :D
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Mussini or Alkins thread? :D
Alkins thread should be moved to Arizona board. Change title to "Alkins not coming hopefully Mussini is not this bad"
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Be curious to see the stats of the rest of our great players on how many times they shot over 50% if you care to check.
In the first place, if you're curious go look yourself. That's what I do when I'm curious about something, I look into it so that I can become informed about it. Imagine what the world would be like if everyone who was curious about something just sat there like a lump wondering about it. Madame Curie: I am curious about isotopes if you care to check them for me. Albert Einstein: I am curious about time and space, could you Ask Jeeves about it for me. Nicola Tesla: this electricity stuff sounds fascinating, I hope someone looks into it some day. In the second place none of our other great players are one dimensional no trick ponies who have been proclaimed the greatest shooter since Chris Mullin, so their lack of shooting prowess is irrelevant.
My curiosity did not rise to the level to entice me to bother to do the leg work myself and as you surmised my point was the singling out of Mussini for more ridicule. But I guess that is what self hating white people such as yourself are want to do.
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I guess that is what self hating white people such as yourself are want to do.
You're confused. I love myself and hate everyone else. Other than that you make your usual salient point.
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Kris Dunn freshman year played 27mpg shot 31% and averaged 3.8ppg
Isaiah Whitehead shot 36% last year
Ryan Arcidiacano freshman year played shot 34% averaged 11ppg
I think some of you guys have unrealistic expectations sometimes of players early in their career. Patience.
So the unrealistic expectations aren't from the people who say Mussini is the best shooter since Chris Mullin, it's the people who say he isn't. Good point.
I think Mussini is a really good shooter who has taken some tough shots this year. He has good touch around the basket but struggles with contact. Physically limited defensively but has good active hands. All signs point to improvement with physical maturity and I'm good with that.
I agree with all that except there's no evidence that he's a really good shooter. The evidence is that he's a really bad shooter who looks like he should be a really good shooter. Saint John's has had many of those over the years. It may be that he's exhausted or that his confidence is shot or just that he's a freshman or whatever. But between two camps, one which says he's going to explode next year because he's the best shooter since Mullin and another that says the fact that he's shooting 20 percent from three in 85 percent of his games suggests he's not the best shooter since Mullin, it's odd that the fact based ones need to temper their expectations. Personally I'd like to watch a basketball program where almost no freshman play ever, not just because most of them are awful but because it suggests that the program is operating from a position of strength that can be sustained over the long term. My expectation is that if Mussini is a key player next year then SJ will not be in that position, because he has physical limitations that will be difficult for him to overcome. Kris Dunn and Whitehead are is 6'4 and 220 pounds. Mussini is an Oompa Loompa. He'd have to do a lot of things really really well to deserve to be mentioned in the same breath with those two.
I'm going by the tape not the numbers. He has a good stroke, footwork, and ability to shoot off the bounce. A lot of his misses are due to forced shots and fatigue. 2 things that are very correctable.
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Kris Dunn freshman year played 27mpg shot 31% and averaged 3.8ppg
Isaiah Whitehead shot 36% last year
Ryan Arcidiacano freshman year played shot 34% averaged 11ppg
I think some of you guys have unrealistic expectations sometimes of players early in their career. Patience.
So the unrealistic expectations aren't from the people who say Mussini is the best shooter since Chris Mullin, it's the people who say he isn't. Good point.
I think Mussini is a really good shooter who has taken some tough shots this year. He has good touch around the basket but struggles with contact. Physically limited defensively but has good active hands. All signs point to improvement with physical maturity and I'm good with that.
I agree with all that except there's no evidence that he's a really good shooter. The evidence is that he's a really bad shooter who looks like he should be a really good shooter. Saint John's has had many of those over the years. It may be that he's exhausted or that his confidence is shot or just that he's a freshman or whatever. But between two camps, one which says he's going to explode next year because he's the best shooter since Mullin and another that says the fact that he's shooting 20 percent from three in 85 percent of his games suggests he's not the best shooter since Mullin, it's odd that the fact based ones need to temper their expectations. Personally I'd like to watch a basketball program where almost no freshman play ever, not just because most of them are awful but because it suggests that the program is operating from a position of strength that can be sustained over the long term. My expectation is that if Mussini is a key player next year then SJ will not be in that position, because he has physical limitations that will be difficult for him to overcome. Kris Dunn and Whitehead are is 6'4 and 220 pounds. Mussini is an Oompa Loompa. He'd have to do a lot of things really really well to deserve to be mentioned in the same breath with those two.
I'm going by the tape not the numbers. He has a good stroke, footwork, and ability to shoot off the bounce. A lot of his misses are due to forced shots and fatigue. 2 things that are very correctable.
Mila Kunis is smoking hot but she's not a very good actress. If she were better at emoting she could win an Academy Award. That's very correctable. She doesn't get an award for having flaws though. Neither does Mussini.
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Kris Dunn freshman year played 27mpg shot 31% and averaged 3.8ppg
Isaiah Whitehead shot 36% last year
Ryan Arcidiacano freshman year played shot 34% averaged 11ppg
I think some of you guys have unrealistic expectations sometimes of players early in their career. Patience.
So the unrealistic expectations aren't from the people who say Mussini is the best shooter since Chris Mullin, it's the people who say he isn't. Good point.
I think Mussini is a really good shooter who has taken some tough shots this year. He has good touch around the basket but struggles with contact. Physically limited defensively but has good active hands. All signs point to improvement with physical maturity and I'm good with that.
I agree with all that except there's no evidence that he's a really good shooter. The evidence is that he's a really bad shooter who looks like he should be a really good shooter. Saint John's has had many of those over the years. It may be that he's exhausted or that his confidence is shot or just that he's a freshman or whatever. But between two camps, one which says he's going to explode next year because he's the best shooter since Mullin and another that says the fact that he's shooting 20 percent from three in 85 percent of his games suggests he's not the best shooter since Mullin, it's odd that the fact based ones need to temper their expectations. Personally I'd like to watch a basketball program where almost no freshman play ever, not just because most of them are awful but because it suggests that the program is operating from a position of strength that can be sustained over the long term. My expectation is that if Mussini is a key player next year then SJ will not be in that position, because he has physical limitations that will be difficult for him to overcome. Kris Dunn and Whitehead are is 6'4 and 220 pounds. Mussini is an Oompa Loompa. He'd have to do a lot of things really really well to deserve to be mentioned in the same breath with those two.
I'm going by the tape not the numbers. He has a good stroke, footwork, and ability to shoot off the bounce. A lot of his misses are due to forced shots and fatigue. 2 things that are very correctable.
Mila Kunis is smoking hot but she's not a very good actress. If she were better at emoting she could win an Academy Award. That's very correctable. She doesn't get an award for having flaws though. Neither does Mussini.
Nobody Is handing out an award to Mussini. For all of this talk about the parity of people saying his numbers show he sucks and others saying the tape show he's the best since Mullin, I've yet to see anybody saying he's the best since Mullin or even half of what D'Angelo was. All I've seen is people suggesting that he'll essentially develop into a player that floats around what he did last night
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Kris Dunn freshman year played 27mpg shot 31% and averaged 3.8ppg
Isaiah Whitehead shot 36% last year
Ryan Arcidiacano freshman year played shot 34% averaged 11ppg
I think some of you guys have unrealistic expectations sometimes of players early in their career. Patience.
So the unrealistic expectations aren't from the people who say Mussini is the best shooter since Chris Mullin, it's the people who say he isn't. Good point.
I think Mussini is a really good shooter who has taken some tough shots this year. He has good touch around the basket but struggles with contact. Physically limited defensively but has good active hands. All signs point to improvement with physical maturity and I'm good with that.
I agree with all that except there's no evidence that he's a really good shooter. The evidence is that he's a really bad shooter who looks like he should be a really good shooter. Saint John's has had many of those over the years. It may be that he's exhausted or that his confidence is shot or just that he's a freshman or whatever. But between two camps, one which says he's going to explode next year because he's the best shooter since Mullin and another that says the fact that he's shooting 20 percent from three in 85 percent of his games suggests he's not the best shooter since Mullin, it's odd that the fact based ones need to temper their expectations. Personally I'd like to watch a basketball program where almost no freshman play ever, not just because most of them are awful but because it suggests that the program is operating from a position of strength that can be sustained over the long term. My expectation is that if Mussini is a key player next year then SJ will not be in that position, because he has physical limitations that will be difficult for him to overcome. Kris Dunn and Whitehead are is 6'4 and 220 pounds. Mussini is an Oompa Loompa. He'd have to do a lot of things really really well to deserve to be mentioned in the same breath with those two.
I'm going by the tape not the numbers. He has a good stroke, footwork, and ability to shoot off the bounce. A lot of his misses are due to forced shots and fatigue. 2 things that are very correctable.
Mila Kunis is smoking hot but she's not a very good actress. If she were better at emoting she could win an Academy Award. That's very correctable. She doesn't get an award for having flaws though. Neither does Mussini.
Nobody Is handing out an award to Mussini. For all of this talk about the parity of people saying his numbers show he sucks and others saying the tape show he's the best since Mullin, I've yet to see anybody saying he's the best since Mullin or even half of what D'Angelo was. All I've seen is people suggesting that he'll essentially develop into a player that floats around what he did last night
A couple people on the other board def said that Mullin thing. And our very own Marillac called him a scoring machine. Marillac gets a pass as he over-hypes everyone though.
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Kris Dunn freshman year played 27mpg shot 31% and averaged 3.8ppg
Isaiah Whitehead shot 36% last year
Ryan Arcidiacano freshman year played shot 34% averaged 11ppg
I think some of you guys have unrealistic expectations sometimes of players early in their career. Patience.
So the unrealistic expectations aren't from the people who say Mussini is the best shooter since Chris Mullin, it's the people who say he isn't. Good point.
I think Mussini is a really good shooter who has taken some tough shots this year. He has good touch around the basket but struggles with contact. Physically limited defensively but has good active hands. All signs point to improvement with physical maturity and I'm good with that.
I agree with all that except there's no evidence that he's a really good shooter. The evidence is that he's a really bad shooter who looks like he should be a really good shooter. Saint John's has had many of those over the years. It may be that he's exhausted or that his confidence is shot or just that he's a freshman or whatever. But between two camps, one which says he's going to explode next year because he's the best shooter since Mullin and another that says the fact that he's shooting 20 percent from three in 85 percent of his games suggests he's not the best shooter since Mullin, it's odd that the fact based ones need to temper their expectations. Personally I'd like to watch a basketball program where almost no freshman play ever, not just because most of them are awful but because it suggests that the program is operating from a position of strength that can be sustained over the long term. My expectation is that if Mussini is a key player next year then SJ will not be in that position, because he has physical limitations that will be difficult for him to overcome. Kris Dunn and Whitehead are is 6'4 and 220 pounds. Mussini is an Oompa Loompa. He'd have to do a lot of things really really well to deserve to be mentioned in the same breath with those two.
I'm going by the tape not the numbers. He has a good stroke, footwork, and ability to shoot off the bounce. A lot of his misses are due to forced shots and fatigue. 2 things that are very correctable.
Mila Kunis is smoking hot but she's not a very good actress. If she were better at emoting she could win an Academy Award. That's very correctable. She doesn't get an award for having flaws though. Neither does Mussini.
Nobody Is handing out an award to Mussini. For all of this talk about the parity of people saying his numbers show he sucks and others saying the tape show he's the best since Mullin, I've yet to see anybody saying he's the best since Mullin or even half of what D'Angelo was. All I've seen is people suggesting that he'll essentially develop into a player that floats around what he did last night
Wasju said the Mullin thing, dont let him hedge his way out of it
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Kris Dunn freshman year played 27mpg shot 31% and averaged 3.8ppg
Isaiah Whitehead shot 36% last year
Ryan Arcidiacano freshman year played shot 34% averaged 11ppg
I think some of you guys have unrealistic expectations sometimes of players early in their career. Patience.
So the unrealistic expectations aren't from the people who say Mussini is the best shooter since Chris Mullin, it's the people who say he isn't. Good point.
I think Mussini is a really good shooter who has taken some tough shots this year. He has good touch around the basket but struggles with contact. Physically limited defensively but has good active hands. All signs point to improvement with physical maturity and I'm good with that.
I agree with all that except there's no evidence that he's a really good shooter. The evidence is that he's a really bad shooter who looks like he should be a really good shooter. Saint John's has had many of those over the years. It may be that he's exhausted or that his confidence is shot or just that he's a freshman or whatever. But between two camps, one which says he's going to explode next year because he's the best shooter since Mullin and another that says the fact that he's shooting 20 percent from three in 85 percent of his games suggests he's not the best shooter since Mullin, it's odd that the fact based ones need to temper their expectations. Personally I'd like to watch a basketball program where almost no freshman play ever, not just because most of them are awful but because it suggests that the program is operating from a position of strength that can be sustained over the long term. My expectation is that if Mussini is a key player next year then SJ will not be in that position, because he has physical limitations that will be difficult for him to overcome. Kris Dunn and Whitehead are is 6'4 and 220 pounds. Mussini is an Oompa Loompa. He'd have to do a lot of things really really well to deserve to be mentioned in the same breath with those two.
I'm going by the tape not the numbers. He has a good stroke, footwork, and ability to shoot off the bounce. A lot of his misses are due to forced shots and fatigue. 2 things that are very correctable.
Mila Kunis is smoking hot but she's not a very good actress. If she were better at emoting she could win an Academy Award. That's very correctable. She doesn't get an award for having flaws though. Neither does Mussini.
Nobody Is handing out an award to Mussini. For all of this talk about the parity of people saying his numbers show he sucks and others saying the tape show he's the best since Mullin, I've yet to see anybody saying he's the best since Mullin or even half of what D'Angelo was. All I've seen is people suggesting that he'll essentially develop into a player that floats around what he did last night
Wasju said the Mullin thing, dont let him hedge his way out of it
I said since Larry Wright. That is a big difference.
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Kris Dunn freshman year played 27mpg shot 31% and averaged 3.8ppg
Isaiah Whitehead shot 36% last year
Ryan Arcidiacano freshman year played shot 34% averaged 11ppg
I think some of you guys have unrealistic expectations sometimes of players early in their career. Patience.
So the unrealistic expectations aren't from the people who say Mussini is the best shooter since Chris Mullin, it's the people who say he isn't. Good point.
I think Mussini is a really good shooter who has taken some tough shots this year. He has good touch around the basket but struggles with contact. Physically limited defensively but has good active hands. All signs point to improvement with physical maturity and I'm good with that.
I agree with all that except there's no evidence that he's a really good shooter. The evidence is that he's a really bad shooter who looks like he should be a really good shooter. Saint John's has had many of those over the years. It may be that he's exhausted or that his confidence is shot or just that he's a freshman or whatever. But between two camps, one which says he's going to explode next year because he's the best shooter since Mullin and another that says the fact that he's shooting 20 percent from three in 85 percent of his games suggests he's not the best shooter since Mullin, it's odd that the fact based ones need to temper their expectations. Personally I'd like to watch a basketball program where almost no freshman play ever, not just because most of them are awful but because it suggests that the program is operating from a position of strength that can be sustained over the long term. My expectation is that if Mussini is a key player next year then SJ will not be in that position, because he has physical limitations that will be difficult for him to overcome. Kris Dunn and Whitehead are is 6'4 and 220 pounds. Mussini is an Oompa Loompa. He'd have to do a lot of things really really well to deserve to be mentioned in the same breath with those two.
I'm going by the tape not the numbers. He has a good stroke, footwork, and ability to shoot off the bounce. A lot of his misses are due to forced shots and fatigue. 2 things that are very correctable.
Mila Kunis is smoking hot but she's not a very good actress. If she were better at emoting she could win an Academy Award. That's very correctable. She doesn't get an award for having flaws though. Neither does Mussini.
Nobody Is handing out an award to Mussini. For all of this talk about the parity of people saying his numbers show he sucks and others saying the tape show he's the best since Mullin, I've yet to see anybody saying he's the best since Mullin or even half of what D'Angelo was. All I've seen is people suggesting that he'll essentially develop into a player that floats around what he did last night
Wasju said the Mullin thing, dont let him hedge his way out of it
I said since Larry Wright. That is a big difference.
"With that being said has the nicest looking jumper since Larry Wright was sitting on Norm's bench. Might be best jump shooter since his coach. Crafty and most fun to watch on team."
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Kris Dunn freshman year played 27mpg shot 31% and averaged 3.8ppg
Isaiah Whitehead shot 36% last year
Ryan Arcidiacano freshman year played shot 34% averaged 11ppg
I think some of you guys have unrealistic expectations sometimes of players early in their career. Patience.
So the unrealistic expectations aren't from the people who say Mussini is the best shooter since Chris Mullin, it's the people who say he isn't. Good point.
I think Mussini is a really good shooter who has taken some tough shots this year. He has good touch around the basket but struggles with contact. Physically limited defensively but has good active hands. All signs point to improvement with physical maturity and I'm good with that.
I agree with all that except there's no evidence that he's a really good shooter. The evidence is that he's a really bad shooter who looks like he should be a really good shooter. Saint John's has had many of those over the years. It may be that he's exhausted or that his confidence is shot or just that he's a freshman or whatever. But between two camps, one which says he's going to explode next year because he's the best shooter since Mullin and another that says the fact that he's shooting 20 percent from three in 85 percent of his games suggests he's not the best shooter since Mullin, it's odd that the fact based ones need to temper their expectations. Personally I'd like to watch a basketball program where almost no freshman play ever, not just because most of them are awful but because it suggests that the program is operating from a position of strength that can be sustained over the long term. My expectation is that if Mussini is a key player next year then SJ will not be in that position, because he has physical limitations that will be difficult for him to overcome. Kris Dunn and Whitehead are is 6'4 and 220 pounds. Mussini is an Oompa Loompa. He'd have to do a lot of things really really well to deserve to be mentioned in the same breath with those two.
I'm going by the tape not the numbers. He has a good stroke, footwork, and ability to shoot off the bounce. A lot of his misses are due to forced shots and fatigue. 2 things that are very correctable.
Mila Kunis is smoking hot but she's not a very good actress. If she were better at emoting she could win an Academy Award. That's very correctable. She doesn't get an award for having flaws though. Neither does Mussini.
Nobody Is handing out an award to Mussini. For all of this talk about the parity of people saying his numbers show he sucks and others saying the tape show he's the best since Mullin, I've yet to see anybody saying he's the best since Mullin or even half of what D'Angelo was. All I've seen is people suggesting that he'll essentially develop into a player that floats around what he did last night
Wasju said the Mullin thing, dont let him hedge his way out of it
I said since Larry Wright. That is a big difference.
"With that being said has the nicest looking jumper since Larry Wright was sitting on Norm's bench. Might be best jump shooter since his coach. Crafty and most fun to watch on team."
Don't remember that part but clearly got carried away in the moment of one of his four good games. The subsequent 27 some odd games rendered that innocuous quote nice personic. You should never come to a conclusion about anything based off one game obviously.
The quote Fun keeps referencing was more definitive from one or two guys on other board I believe.
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The quote Fun keeps referencing was more definitive from one or two guys on other board I believe.
Yes, one I remember in particular, but there were more.
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If Miller bolts Arizona for the Pitt job. -- and he is reportedly on that campus right now discussing the position -- what happens to Rawle? Does he stay at Arizona, follow him to Pitt, or reopen his recruitment?
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If Miller bolts Arizona for the Pitt job. -- and he is reportedly on that campus right now discussing the position -- what happens to Rawle? Does he stay at Arizona, follow him to Pitt, or reopen his recruitment?
I don't think Pitt is such an easy sell. At least Arizona is warm. We may get lucky, and we could use some luck after last year's rotten luck.
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Miller not interested.
http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/Pitt/2016/03/22/Arizona-s-Sean-Miller-not-interested-in-vacant-Pitt-basketball-coaching-job-to-replace-Jamie-Dixon/stories/201603220158
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Tier staying Ferguson Commits - Adkins on Bench good for him
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Tier staying Ferguson Commits - Adkins on Bench good for him
Trier, Alkins. Congrats on spelling Ferguson right. :)
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Thanks for the spelling correction - I can sleep good tonight
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What if Alkins doesn't qualify? With Maker being allowed in the NBA draft with a post-grad year you don't think Rawle might try to enter under the same circumstances?
Just asking.
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What if Alkins doesn't qualify? With Maker being allowed in the NBA draft with a post-grad year you don't think Rawle might try to enter under the same circumstances?
Just asking.
Has he completed his high school course work..? I didn't think he was doing a post graduate year this year.
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What if Alkins doesn't qualify? With Maker being allowed in the NBA draft with a post-grad year you don't think Rawle might try to enter under the same circumstances?
Just asking.
Has he completed his high school course work..? I didn't think he was doing a post graduate year this year.
No he hasn't and that is why his challenge may fail.
But I was told last night by someone that it is 50/50 with him qualifying. The biggest thing is his clearance may drag making it moot for him to even challenge.
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he hasn't signed his NLI yet. Unlikely it amounts to anything but noteworthy
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If he doesn't qualify, that's the day he commits to St.John's.
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If he doesn't qualify, that's the day he commits to St.John's.
At least try to make some sense when you are trolling.
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Rawle had his chance to commit here while we were recruiting him. He passed and chose 'Zona. Fine. Whatever's going on with him, it's 'Zona's problem, not ours. We've moved on; he should too.
We've committed to the kids we have, and they've committed to us. Good chance we sign Simon this weekend for added back court strength moving forward. With continued questions regarding his eligibility, we don't need the drama now should Rawle decide that the back court's become too crowded at Arizona.
I know that Rawle's talented and would have loved an early commitment from him, ala Ponds, but the timing is very bad right now for going in a new direction. Sounds a bit ridiculous to say it, I know, but I'd pass on him now.
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Rawle had his chance to commit here while we were recruiting him. He passed and chose 'Zona. Fine. Whatever's going on with him, it's 'Zona's problem, not ours. We've moved on; he should too.
We've committed to the kids we have, and they've committed to us. Good chance we sign Simon this weekend for added back court strength moving forward. With continued questions regarding his eligibility, we don't need the drama now should Rawle decide that the back court's become too crowded at Arizona.
I know that Rawle's talented and would have loved an early commitment from him, ala Ponds, but the timing is very bad right now for going in a new direction. Sounds a bit ridiculous to say it, I know, but I'd pass on him now.
Don't disagree with you at all. He had his chance to sign with us, time to move on.
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Rawle had his chance to commit here while we were recruiting him. He passed and chose 'Zona. Fine. Whatever's going on with him, it's 'Zona's problem, not ours. We've moved on; he should too.
We've committed to the kids we have, and they've committed to us. Good chance we sign Simon this weekend for added back court strength moving forward. With continued questions regarding his eligibility, we don't need the drama now should Rawle decide that the back court's become too crowded at Arizona.
I know that Rawle's talented and would have loved an early commitment from him, ala Ponds, but the timing is very bad right now for going in a new direction. Sounds a bit ridiculous to say it, I know, but I'd pass on him now.
+1
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was thinking more along the lines of rawle trying to skip college and go straight to the nba akin to Maker.
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Rawle had his chance to commit here while we were recruiting him. He passed and chose 'Zona. Fine. Whatever's going on with him, it's 'Zona's problem, not ours. We've moved on; he should too.
We've committed to the kids we have, and they've committed to us. Good chance we sign Simon this weekend for added back court strength moving forward. With continued questions regarding his eligibility, we don't need the drama now should Rawle decide that the back court's become too crowded at Arizona.
I know that Rawle's talented and would have loved an early commitment from him, ala Ponds, but the timing is very bad right now for going in a new direction. Sounds a bit ridiculous to say it, I know, but I'd pass on him now.
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I echo this sentiment. I'm all for getting the top NYC players, but I'll take the drama-free ones. Good luck to him, but I'm happy with Ponds, Bashir, Freudenberg etc.
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Rawle had his chance to commit here while we were recruiting him. He passed and chose 'Zona. Fine. Whatever's going on with him, it's 'Zona's problem, not ours. We've moved on; he should too.
We've committed to the kids we have, and they've committed to us. Good chance we sign Simon this weekend for added back court strength moving forward. With continued questions regarding his eligibility, we don't need the drama now should Rawle decide that the back court's become too crowded at Arizona.
I know that Rawle's talented and would have loved an early commitment from him, ala Ponds, but the timing is very bad right now for going in a new direction. Sounds a bit ridiculous to say it, I know, but I'd pass on him now.
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I echo this sentiment. I'm all for getting the top NYC players, but I'll take the drama-free ones. Good luck to him, but I'm happy with Ponds, Bashir, Freudenberg etc.
Drama free lol
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If he doesn't qualify, that's the day he commits to St.John's.
At least try to make some sense when you are trolling.
You're slow
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Instead of heading back to Tuscon and working on the deficiencies scouts told him to hone in on, a overconfident and misguided Rawle goes undrafted last night. What could've been a Fall filled with top25 expectation and hype is now diminished with doubt, uncertainty and unguaranteed contracts. Listen to the experts, stay in school, work towards your degree and refine your craft. Glad Shamorie isn't singing this song.
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Instead of heading back to Tuscon and working on the deficiencies scouts told him to hone in on, a overconfident and misguided Rawle goes undrafted last night. What could've been a Fall filled with top25 expectation and hype is now diminished with doubt, uncertainty and unguaranteed contracts. Listen to the experts, stay in school, work towards your degree and refine your craft. Glad Shamorie isn't singing this song.
Good job going back two years to find this thread so you could post this pretentious rubbish.
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Instead of heading back to Tuscon and working on the deficiencies scouts told him to hone in on, a overconfident and misguided Rawle goes undrafted last night. What could've been a Fall filled with top25 expectation and hype is now diminished with doubt, uncertainty and unguaranteed contracts. Listen to the experts, stay in school, work towards your degree and refine your craft. Glad Shamorie isn't singing this song.
Good job going back two years to find this thread so you could post this pretentious rubbish.
Foad for future reference it's called a "search bar", it's located at the top right hand corner of the web page. That's where you can do "searches". Do you think that Rawle is satisfied with his decision this morning? I'm pretty sure Shamorie is happier improving his stock in Queens and not looking at apartment rentals in Grand Rapids, MI like Rawle is.
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Instead of heading back to Tuscon and working on the deficiencies scouts told him to hone in on, a overconfident and misguided Rawle goes undrafted last night. What could've been a Fall filled with top25 expectation and hype is now diminished with doubt, uncertainty and unguaranteed contracts. Listen to the experts, stay in school, work towards your degree and refine your craft. Glad Shamorie isn't singing this song.
Good job going back two years to find this thread so you could post this pretentious rubbish.
Foad for future reference it's called a "search bar", it's located at the top right hand corner of the web page. That's where you can do "searches". Do you think that Rawle is satisfied with his decision this morning? I'm pretty sure Shamorie is happier improving his stock in Queens and not looking at apartment rentals in Grand Rapids, MI like Rawle is.
I think you have no idea what "deficiencies scouts" may or may not have told RA to "hone in on." I don't think RA was "overconfident and misguided" - he was a projected 2nd round pick who was worked out by a dozen NBA teams. I suspect RA does not care about any alleged "expectation and hype" you might feel and I doubt he's "diminished with doubt" after signing a training camp deal with the Raptors today. I suspect he's excited and optimistic. "Listen to experts" is about the stupidest advice anyone could give or follow: most alleged experts are self proclaimed and nice persons. And "Stay on school" is complete twaddle: higher education is for most people a colossal waste of time and money.
Other than that you made some good points.
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Foad you really are a sad/miserable person
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Foad you really are a sad/miserable person
What was your first clue?
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Suspect that reporters will be headed to CTK today:
"In a transcript of a conversation recorded by the FBI in June 2017, but not previously published in the media, former Arizona assistant basketball coach Emanuel “Book” Richardson told undercover agents he paid $40,000 to a “high school coach” to help ensure the academic eligibility of former Wildcats player Rawle Alkins."
https://sports.yahoo.com/former-arizona-assistant-coach-allegedly-paid-40-k-to-high-school-coach-to-ensure-players-academic-eligibility-172419789.html
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Suspect that reporters will be headed to CTK today:
"In a transcript of a conversation recorded by the FBI in June 2017, but not previously published in the media, former Arizona assistant basketball coach Emanuel “Book” Richardson told undercover agents he paid $40,000 to a “high school coach” to help ensure the academic eligibility of former Wildcats player Rawle Alkins."
https://sports.yahoo.com/former-arizona-assistant-coach-allegedly-paid-40-k-to-high-school-coach-to-ensure-players-academic-eligibility-172419789.html
Did you read the entire article..?
He says that he didn't go through CTK to get what he needed. It clearly says he went through Bishop Ford, which is now closed.
Anyone who knows Bishop Ford is fully aware that there are only 2 people that could have assisted Book Richardson with what he got done.... LOL