6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: jumpinjohnny on April 24, 2015, 11:27:58 AM
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Post em if you got em
11/13/15 - Wagner
11/16/15 - UMBC (Maui Invitational Tournament)
11/19/15 - Rutgers
11/23/15 - Vanderbilt (Maui Invitational Tournament)
11/24/15 - Indiana or Wake Forest (Maui Invitational Tournament)
11/25/15 - Kansas, UCLA, UNLV, or Chaminade (Maui Invitational Tournament)
12/2/15 - at Fordham
12/6/15 - St. Francis-NY(MSG)
12/9/15 - Niagara
12/13/15 - Syracuse (MSG)
12/18/15 - Incarnate word
12/20/15 - NJIT
12/22/15 - South Carolina (Mohegan Sun)
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We're playing incarnate word? Hahah
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They beat Nebraska and Princeton last year, played UTEP.
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Pretty sure we play at Duke. Are we still playing Syracuse?
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Pretty sure we play at Duke. Are we still playing Syracuse?
I believe they will be @Duke next season and as of now their contract with Syracuse is up it was just a home and home.
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Pretty sure the contract with Duke was for 2 years. I don't expect it to be renewed for a while.
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If we aren't renewing Duke and Cuse I hope we add some top quality teams to the schedule and not cupcake it down
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Pretty sure the contract with Duke was for 2 years. I don't expect it to be renewed for a while.
If it was a two year contract we owe them a game at Cameron this season.
We last played them on a two year deal in 2011 and 2012.
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I'm sure Fordham will be on the schedule at the Holiday Festival.
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They beat Nebraska and Princeton last year, played UTEP.
I had to look that up when I saw it tweeted yesterday. I never heard of that school. I think I read that they moved up to D1 in 2013
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St. John's vs Arizona St at MGM Grand in Vegas on December 22
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25165390/st-johns-arizona-state-to-play-at-mgm-grand-on-dec-22
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St. John's vs Arizona St at MGM Grand in Vegas on December 22
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25165390/st-johns-arizona-state-to-play-at-mgm-grand-on-dec-22
Man I'd love to go to that...busiest time of year at work and young kids not gonna make it happen, wish it was on a weekend!
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Hmm... I might have to head out there. Bout time I get back to Vegas.
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According to this article from about a year ago we do in fact head to Duke in 2015-16
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/college/st-john-duke-resume-home-and-home-series-article-1.1780640
Lavin leaving doesn't change that right? With Duke, Arizona St, Maui, we have a solid non-conference so far.
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Was told Duke won't happen this year
And our Northern neighbors come to the Garden
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Was told Duke won't happen this year
And our Northern neighbors come to the Garden
Fordham? UCONN? Syracuse?
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Uconn fans will be drinking at Brother Jimmys
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Would love to see a home and home, or even regular series, against ND. Games were always fun, garden packed, good competition for SOS
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Was told Duke won't happen this year
And our Northern neighbors come to the Garden
Fordham? UCONN? Syracuse?
Sorry I thought neighbors of the north was clear.
Cuse
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Was told Duke won't happen this year
And our Northern neighbors come to the Garden
Seriously? Ugh. Any idea which school wanted to push it off? I hope this doesn't spell the end of our series w them.
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Hmm... I might have to head out there. Bout time I get back to Vegas.
Short drive for me LOL
Yes Moose I know you are going to tell me to stay home
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Thought I read somewhere that we owe Long Beach State a game?
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Syracuse confirmed by Rothstein on December 15th at MSG.
Sounds like SJU re-upped because the initial contract was for a Home and Home in December '13 and '14 which has been completed.
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Syracuse confirmed by Rothstein on December 15th at MSG.
Sounds like SJU re-upped because the initial contract was for a Home and Home in December '13 and '14 which has been completed.
Good news.
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Very good news. I hate them but it's very fun playing them. I think as we hopefully improve under Mullin this could be one of the marquee games that is on FOX every year. Will be very interesting to see who else the staff has us play in non nonconference games.
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Still need to get UCONN back on the schedule. The old Big East rivals should be staples.
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Still need to get UCONN back on the schedule. The old Big East rivals should be staples.
Let them and their fans suffer
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Still need to get UCONN back on the schedule. The old Big East rivals should be staples.
Yea, IDK we want Uconn and Kevin Ollie coming into our building so they can make it their building again.
We have a down SU program coming in December. There's a hole in the Death Star. This is our chance to establish the program again under new leadership. SU will have one of their weakest teams in decades.
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Still need to get UCONN back on the schedule. The old Big East rivals should be staples.
Yea, IDK we want Uconn and Kevin Ollie coming into our building so they can make it their building again.
We shouldn't think that way, the big rivals should fill up the Garden and our fans need to fill the seats. If they don't then it's our fault.
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Bring in IU they have a big alumni base. Also put Michigan or Ohio State on the schedule.
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I haven't feared UCONN in a long time. Hopefully with Mullin will never have to fear them again. Bring them on.
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I haven't feared UCONN in a long time. Hopefully with Mullin will never have to fear them again. Bring them on.
They've won more national titles than we've won Big East Tournament games in the last 5 years.
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Thought I read somewhere that we owe Long Beach State a game?
Yeah, they're playing at the Pyramid either to or from Maui. Don't remember which. See you there.
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Still need to get UCONN back on the schedule. The old Big East rivals should be staples.
Yea, IDK we want Uconn and Kevin Ollie coming into our building so they can make it their building again.
We shouldn't think that way, the big rivals should fill up the Garden and our fans need to fill the seats. If they don't then it's our fault.
Our fans don't fill up the seats. Harrington saw to that. Do we want to host a game at MSG with 80% Uconn fans?
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5. Performing well as a mid-major has drawbacks: A few weeks ago I wrote how scheduling is one of the most underrated parts of any program and made more difficult at a mid-major which has had success. Stephen F. Austin has gone to the past two NCAA Tournaments and is 61-8 over that span. Because of that success, the Lumberjacks are having trouble putting together a schedule for next season. "No one will play us," coach Brad Underwood said. "It's a joke. We can't get a game. We still need seven games for next season -- seven. It's unbelievable." Underwood has been dominant in Southland Conference play (35-1) the past two seasons, but finding November and December games has been one tall task.
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Still need to get UCONN back on the schedule. The old Big East rivals should be staples.
Yea, IDK we want Uconn and Kevin Ollie coming into our building so they can make it their building again.
We shouldn't think that way, the big rivals should fill up the Garden and our fans need to fill the seats. If they don't then it's our fault.
Our fans don't fill up the seats. Harrington saw to that. Do we want to host a game at MSG with 80% Uconn fans?
That hasn't been the case since the 90's Poison. Their traveling fan base dropped off a ton since then. That said, they will be good this year. I wouldn't mind starting playing them again.
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Still need to get UCONN back on the schedule. The old Big East rivals should be staples.
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Yea, IDK we want Uconn and Kevin Ollie coming into our building so they can make it their building again.
We shouldn't think that way, the big rivals should fill up the Garden and our fans need to fill the seats. If they don't then it's our fault.
Our fans don't fill up the seats. Harrington saw to that. Do we want to host a game at MSG with 80% Uconn fans?
Mullin will see to it that our fans fill the seats. I say bring on UCONN.
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I want to play the best and beat the best.
If we're going to be good then we need to beat the other power programs in our neck of the woods, and that's Cuse and UCONN.
I'd play them in a park. Those are the schools who recruit the same guys we do.
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I read on the holyland site that a poster has heard of a h/h series starting this upcoming season with VCU. If true I think it would be great. Maybe this could be why we werent heavily mentioned with larrier?
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I read on the holyland site that a poster has heard of a h/h series starting this upcoming season with VCU. If true I think it would be great. Maybe this could be why we werent heavily mentioned with larrier?
Thatd be interesting but I would assume theyre not a big enough draw to merit an MSG game.
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I read on the holyland site that a poster has heard of a h/h series starting this upcoming season with VCU. If true I think it would be great. Maybe this could be why we werent heavily mentioned with larrier?
Thatd be interesting but I would assume theyre not a big enough draw to merit an MSG game.
Either way I love it. Ive been big on getting those mid majors in for games at Carnesseca. VCU, St. Joes, etc.. we saw saint marys last year and that was great. Builds great atmospheres and maybe future fans.
But fwiw I think vcu would get the garden.
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Apparently VCU's ooc schedule comes out tomorrow so we should know soon.
some talk here:
http://forums.vcuramnation.com/threads/2015-16-schedule.14915/page-15
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http://www.silive.com/colleges/index.ssf/2015/05/post_48.html#incart_river
see bottom of article
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Also playing Coach Braica's terriers at the Garden, believe its a Sunday game
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Apparently VCU's ooc schedule comes out tomorrow so we should know soon.
some talk here:
http://forums.vcuramnation.com/threads/2015-16-schedule.14915/page-15
Didnt happen.
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Also playing Coach Braica's terriers at the Garden, believe its a Sunday game
Playing them at MSG doesnt make sense
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I don't think VCU is on our schedule .
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I don't think VCU is on our schedule .
They're not. Their non-conference schedule is out today. I checked it. St. John's is not on it. Some of their fans are disappointed. They also don't want to see their team play too many "cupcakes".
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Also playing Coach Braica's terriers at the Garden, believe its a Sunday game
Playing them at MSG doesnt make sense
Agree--if not on campus then should be Barclay Center
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Also playing Coach Braica's terriers at the Garden, believe its a Sunday game
Playing them at MSG doesnt make sense
I'm guessing it's the annual Holiday Festival doubleheader.
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Playing St. Franis at the Garden without season ticket holders might not sell 500 tickets.
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Playing St. Franis at the Garden without season ticket holders might not sell 500 tickets.
Holiday Festival is part of season ticket.
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@JonRothstein: St. John's will host Wagner on Friday 11/13/15 at Carnesecca Arena, source told @CBSSports. First game of the Chris Mullin era. #sjubb
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It would be nice if the Holiday Festival could return to its former self as meaningful games
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It would be nice if the Holiday Festival could return to its former self as meaningful games
st John's is still avoiding calls from Iona to schedule a game, as is Fordham. I will give SJU a pass this year
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It would be nice if the Holiday Festival could return to its former self as meaningful games
st John's is still avoiding calls from Iona to schedule a game, as is Fordham. I will give SJU a pass this year
They were probably out dining (oops that was the previous staff), I mean recruiting. :)
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It would be nice if the Holiday Festival could return to its former self as meaningful games
st John's is still avoiding calls from Iona to schedule a game, as is Fordham. I will give SJU a pass this year
They were probably out dining (oops that was the previous staff), I mean recruiting. :)
They answered Wagners call
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Wagner 10-20 last year. Seton Hall jumped at the chance to schedule them also
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It would be nice if the Holiday Festival could return to its former self as meaningful games
st John's is still avoiding calls from Iona to schedule a game, as is Fordham. I will give SJU a pass this year
They were probably out dining (oops that was the previous staff), I mean recruiting. :)
They answered Wagners call
There is no history with Iona BUT with Wagner there is a connection in that their campus is within a mile of ours on The Rock and for any alums and students from that campus it is a "bragging rights" game. We even have an open practice on the SI campus and have played Wagner more often than Iona.
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It would be nice if the Holiday Festival could return to its former self as meaningful games
st John's is still avoiding calls from Iona to schedule a game, as is Fordham. I will give SJU a pass this year
They were probably out dining (oops that was the previous staff), I mean recruiting. :)
They answered Wagners call
There is no history with Iona BUT with Wagner there is a connection in that their campus is within a mile of ours on The Rock and for any alums and students from that campus it is a "bragging rights" game. We even have an open practice on the SI campus and have played Wagner more often than Iona.
Cluess played for Louie. As did his brothers. But I guess that's not a better connection?
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Iona isn't a good game because if we win, it's "so what" and if we lose we're screwed trying to sell ourselves as "New York's team".
I told Monasch back in the day there should be an eight team Holiday Festival with only locals in order to build rivalries and boost NYC hoops. I'm pretty sure it would sell tickets. He blew me off saying it's not in the school's interest to boost other programs.
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He was clueless when it came to understanding N.Y.C. college and high school basketball. We haven't hosted the CHSAA playoffs for the last several years after decades of it being a fixture. He told one of our assistant coaches he wasn't sure if it helped in recruiting, obviously he didn't notice the banners in our arena or heard the story of a young Chris Mullin running into coach Louie at one of those games.
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Iona isn't a good game because if we win, it's "so what" and if we lose we're screwed trying to sell ourselves as "New York's team".
I told Monasch back in the day there should be an eight team Holiday Festival with only locals in order to build rivalries and boost NYC hoops. I'm pretty sure it would sell tickets. He blew me off saying it's not in the school's interest to boost other programs.
I think back in the day these tournaments counted only as one game but now they are multiple games
The local Holiday Festival would be a nice way to bring back the rivalry, you could even have NY vs NJ by having 4 teams from each but it will never happen
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Iona isn't a good game because if we win, it's "so what" and if we lose we're screwed trying to sell ourselves as "New York's team".
I told Monasch back in the day there should be an eight team Holiday Festival with only locals in order to build rivalries and boost NYC hoops. I'm pretty sure it would sell tickets. He blew me off saying it's not in the school's interest to boost other programs.
I think back in the day these tournaments counted only as one game but now they are multiple games
The local Holiday Festival would be a nice way to bring back the rivalry, you could even have NY vs NJ by having 4 teams from each but it will never happen
Not true re counting as one game back in the day.
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Iona isn't a good game because if we win, it's "so what" and if we lose we're screwed trying to sell ourselves as "New York's team".
I told Monasch back in the day there should be an eight team Holiday Festival with only locals in order to build rivalries and boost NYC hoops. I'm pretty sure it would sell tickets. He blew me off saying it's not in the school's interest to boost other programs.
I think back in the day these tournaments counted only as one game but now they are multiple games
The local Holiday Festival would be a nice way to bring back the rivalry, you could even have NY vs NJ by having 4 teams from each but it will never happen
Following article talks about exempt tournaments, which I think you were alluding too:
http://m.indyweek.com/indyweek/whats-up-with-all-these-tropical-early-season-basketball-tournaments/Content?oid=3208369
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People are really going to spend 50 dollars a ticket to see St. John's vs Iona ? We played gonzaga last year there was less then 5000 people there. Villi nova has a great thing. Their is no interest here in NYC. Holiday festival could easily be great .
St. John's vs Iona
Ohio state vs Hofstra .
The tournament would need a big state school and bring in 2 locals. If not we should cancel it.
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People are really going to spend 50 dollars a ticket to see St. John's vs Iona ? We played gonzaga last year there was less then 5000 people there. Villi nova has a great thing. Their is no interest here in NYC. Holiday festival could easily be great .
St. John's vs Iona
Ohio state vs Hofstra .
The tournament would need a big state school and bring in 2 locals. If not we should cancel it.
You're underestimating the local draw of Mullin
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I'd love for the Johnnies to play the local mid-majors when they are good - as Iona and Manhattan have been the past few years. But I fully understand why we don't. Games like that are basically a lose-lose proposition right now for bigger conference schools, and unless there is a gaping hole in the ability to schedule quality out of conference games (which wasn't the case for us the past few years), there is no need. It's all in the game Baldi - you know that - and if Cluess was at a bigger school he'd be doing the same thing.
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I'd love for the Johnnies to play the local mid-majors when they are good - as Iona and Manhattan have been the past few years. But I fully understand why we don't. Games like that are basically a lose-lose proposition right now for bigger conference schools, and unless there is a gaping hole in the ability to schedule quality out of conference games (which wasn't the case for us the past few years), there is no need. It's all in the game Baldi - you know that - and if Cluess was at a bigger school he'd be doing the same thing.
When was the last time St John's played either Manhattan or Iona?
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I'd love for the Johnnies to play the local mid-majors when they are good - as Iona and Manhattan have been the past few years. But I fully understand why we don't. Games like that are basically a lose-lose proposition right now for bigger conference schools, and unless there is a gaping hole in the ability to schedule quality out of conference games (which wasn't the case for us the past few years), there is no need. It's all in the game Baldi - you know that - and if Cluess was at a bigger school he'd be doing the same thing.
I say play them. In Phily they have the big 5 rivalry. Why is a loss to Iona any worse than a loss to an equivalent Midmajor program from a different region?
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Iona's RPI was 51, St. John's was 36. How would that be a bad loss? Wagners is 293, that's a bad loss and a useless game altogether
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That is not the question.
All schools play bad teams thus any loss to those teams is a BAD loss, obviously. Duke loses to Army that is a BAD loss but they still play Army. Again that is not the question that should b asked or answered in this case.
Here is the difference: There are bad losses to LOSABLE teams and bad losses to teams you have ABSOLUTELY NO BUSINESS losing to.
A losable team is a team that you are better than on paper in most years and should beat but is a team that gives high major’s problems and is not inconceivable that you could lose too. That is the definition of an Iona.
Wagner is a team that should (for the most part) never be a worry and an automatic check in the win column most years.
That is the difference between Wagner and Iona.
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People are really going to spend 50 dollars a ticket to see St. John's vs Iona ? We played gonzaga last year there was less then 5000 people there. Villi nova has a great thing. Their is no interest here in NYC. Holiday festival could easily be great .
St. John's vs Iona
Ohio state vs Hofstra .
The tournament would need a big state school and bring in 2 locals. If not we should cancel it.
My friends who are causal fans wouldn't spend that. Unless we are really good no one is coming unless we are playing a good game.
You're underestimating the local draw of Mullin
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When Manhattan beat SJU in the Holiday Festival in the early 2000's was the death of them playing good NYC area mid majors.
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When Manhattan beat SJU in the Holiday Festival in the early 2000's was the death of them playing good NYC area mid majors.
Same festival Iona beat North Carolina?
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Manhattan was better then St. John's then. Didn't feel like an upset .
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Manhattan was better then St. John's then. Didn't feel like an upset .
Can you name 2 guys on that Manhattan team?
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Manhattan was better then St. John's then. Didn't feel like an upset .
Can you name 2 guys on that Manhattan team?
I can - lol
2 I immediately thought of - Flores and Holmes. I loved Holmes' game - DMV (DeMatha) product too
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Manhattan was better then St. John's then. Didn't feel like an upset .
Can you name 2 guys on that Manhattan team?
I can - lol
As can I.
Iona beat that Carolina team with Sean May, Rashad Mccants etc,,
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Manhattan was better then St. John's then. Didn't feel like an upset .
Can you name 2 guys on that Manhattan team?
I can - lol
As can I.
Iona beat that Carolina team with Sean May, Rashad Mccants etc,,
That was a good year for our "other" squads ;D
Just looked it up
Manhattan 72, SJ 65 12/27/02
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I remember Flores . Don't remember anyone else names. Remember they had 2 really good guards.
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I remember Flores . Don't remember anyone else names. Remember they had 2 really good guards.
Konovelchick was the good 3 point shooter to complement Flores. Flores went for 24.6/5.6/3/2 that year, even better the next season - almost beat Wake for a Sweet 16 bid. Kenny Minor was the PG
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I remember Flores . Don't remember anyone else names. Remember they had 2 really good guards.
Konovelchick was the good 3 point shooter to complement Flores. Flores went for 24.6/5.6/3/2 that year, even better the next season - almost beat Wake for a Sweet 16 bid. Kenny Minor was the PG
Cj Anderson, Jeff Xavier, Jason Wingate
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those were the Bobby G teams that catupulted him into landing the Seton Hall gig. I remember that many folks over on the old Redmen.com message boards were pleading for STJ to hire Bobby G after their NCAA run (which included the big upset over David Lee's Florida team in the 12 vs 5 game.)
Here's a nypost article from a little over a year ago abt Bobby G with mention of those teams.
http://nypost.com/2014/03/17/former-manhattan-coach-gonzalez-still-teaching-scouting-basketball/
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those were the Bobby G teams that catupulted him into landing the Seton Hall gig. I remember that many folks over on the old Redmen.com message boards were pleading for STJ to hire Bobby G after their NCAA run (which included the big upset over David Lee's Florida team in the 12 vs 5 game.)
Here's a nypost article from a little over a year ago abt Bobby G with mention of those teams.
http://nypost.com/2014/03/17/former-manhattan-coach-gonzalez-still-teaching-scouting-basketball/
Gonzo was at the top of his game back then
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those were the Bobby G teams that catupulted him into landing the Seton Hall gig. I remember that many folks over on the old Redmen.com message boards were pleading for STJ to hire Bobby G after their NCAA run (which included the big upset over David Lee's Florida team in the 12 vs 5 game.)
Here's a nypost article from a little over a year ago abt Bobby G with mention of those teams.
http://nypost.com/2014/03/17/former-manhattan-coach-gonzalez-still-teaching-scouting-basketball/
Fr. Harrington got that one right...
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I was a big fan of Bobby G. My friend met him at a coach's clinic. Said he was a great guy. Bought all the HS coaches drinks afterwards. I wanted Bobby G here. The guy is crazy. But I always thought he would do well here. I like the current coach at Seton hall also. I think he is going to implode also. Seton Hall is wear coaches go to die. Especially if they are crazy.
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I remember Gonzo back in the day at Carnesecca camp in the early 90s. He was a douche back then too
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I remember Flores . Don't remember anyone else names. Remember they had 2 really good guards.
Konovelchick was the good 3 point shooter to complement Flores. Flores went for 24.6/5.6/3/2 that year, even better the next season - almost beat Wake for a Sweet 16 bid. Kenny Minor was the PG
Cj Anderson, Jeff Xavier, Jason Wingate
Baldi, best Siena player in your time? The guy you actually had to say was damn good.
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Manhattan was better then St. John's then. Didn't feel like an upset .
Can you name 2 guys on that Manhattan team?
I can - lol
As can I.
Iona beat that Carolina team with Sean May, Rashad Mccants etc,,
In fairness McCants was distracted as he was concentrating on studying for final exams.
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I remember Flores . Don't remember anyone else names. Remember they had 2 really good guards.
Konovelchick was the good 3 point shooter to complement Flores. Flores went for 24.6/5.6/3/2 that year, even better the next season - almost beat Wake for a Sweet 16 bid. Kenny Minor was the PG
Cj Anderson, Jeff Xavier, Jason Wingate
Baldi, best Siena player in your time? The guy you actually had to say was damn good.
Doremus Bennerman or maybe Edwin Ubiles
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@JonRothstein: St. John's will face St. Francis NY + Hofstra will play Appalachian St. in Holiday Festival at MSG on 12/6, source told @CBSSports. #sjubb
No need to rush for tickets. :)
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Is this a 2 day event?
I like Hofstra and St Francis. Hofstra will be pretty good. Also a local guy who happens to be a family friend is the coach of Appalachian St. They have a home and home with Hofstra. I will be in attendance
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Is this a 2 day event?
I like Hofstra and St Francis. Hofstra will be pretty good. Also a local guy who happens to be a family friend is the coach of Appalachian St. They have a home and home with Hofstra. I will be in attendance
1 day unless its changed from the last 10 years or so
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There's no sense in playing these games at MSG.
Meanwhile Uconn and Georgetown have real games scheduled in our arena.
Who is the wizard behind putting St.Francis at MSG?
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There's no sense in playing these games at MSG.
Meanwhile Uconn and Georgetown have real games scheduled in our arena.
Who is the wizard behind putting St.Francis at MSG?
It's the Holiday Festival regardless of who is playing.
It is not an SJU home game per se.
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Will be in attendance , love locals like st Francis and hofstra with loads of local talent on both teams. St Francis had good year last year and coach Bracia is a first class guy
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Hope Holiday Festival stays in the season ticket package. Otherwise Baldi will be the only one at this game.
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Hope Holiday Festival stays in the season ticket package. Otherwise Baldi will be the only one at this game.
I think you guys underestimate the draw of Mullin
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@JonRothstein: St. John's will play South Carolina at Mohegan Sun on 12/22/15, source told @CBSSports. Scheduled game vs. ASU in Las Vegas is off. #sjubb
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There's no sense in playing these games at MSG.
Meanwhile Uconn and Georgetown have real games scheduled in our arena.
Who is the wizard behind putting St.Francis at MSG?
It's the Holiday Festival regardless of who is olaying.
It is not an SJU home game per se.
My point that it doesn't have to be an embarrassment. Playing St.Francis sends a message to recruits that we play at that level, especially when the programs that we're up against for talent are playing meaningful games—in the same building.
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Playing anyone in the garden when it's less then a third full is just stupid. No reason for it.
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@NYPost_Brazille: #sjubb announces non conference game against South Carolina Dec. 22 at Mohegan Sun.
http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/080315aaa.html
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Going to try to make it up there. Really just depends on my work schedule around Christmas time.
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From the South Carolina Men's Basketball section.
http://www.gamecocksonline.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/080315aaa.html
St. John's apparently leads the series 4-0.
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It would be fun to go to . Tuesday night is just stupid though.
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Iona still looking to fill the ooc schedule.
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Iona still looking to fill the ooc schedule.
Try NJIT
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Iona still looking to fill the ooc schedule.
Try NJIT
SJU has them booked up
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Indeed.
12/20 NJIT at CA
http://njithighlanders.com/schedule.aspx?schedule=185
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@NYPost_Brazille: Also, #sjubb non-conference schedule should be out relatively soon as well.
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We opened at 200- 1. Currently 300-1 to win national championship. In Vegas now
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We opened at 200- 1. Currently 300-1 to win national championship. In Vegas now
The true odds are about 10,000-1
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The Non-Conference schedule.
http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/082415aaa.html
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nice to keep the home and home with cuse going. would be great to get duke and uconn back too
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Too many Sunday home games during the NFL stretch run.
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Too many Sundays when you coach CYO hoops!
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Interesting first time in 5 years they moved the Fordham game back to campus-Rose Hill and it is mid week this year, not part of the Holiday Festival-Wed 12/2.
In fact no Holiday Festival to be found...
And the last time Fordham/SJU was at Rose Hill was 5 years earlier when they both had 1st year coaches, Tom Pecora/Steve Lavin.
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Interesting first time in 5 years they moved the Fordham game back to campus-Rose Hill and it is mid week this year, not part of the Holiday Festival-Wed 12/2.
In fact no Holiday Festival to be found...
And the last time Fordham/SJU was at Rose Hill was 5 years earlier when they both had 1st year coaches, Tom Pecora/Steve Lavin.
You mean no Holiday Festival for Fordham? For St. John's we play St. Francis on Sunday December 6th in it. Not sure what time the game is but most likely right in the middle of Jets/Giants that day...brutal for Mullin's Garden debut.
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I'm not in the know whatsoever, but fwiw there were rumors on Twitter about 3 weeks back claiming that Monasch had mismanaged the 15'-16' OOC so much that the Fordham game had to be moved to the BX. Idk what happened with @ LBST, but it looks as if the new regime cancelled any pre-exisiting relationships and started with a clean slate. Obviously the core local relationships (Niagara/Cuse/SFNY) remain and won't be going anywhere, but it will be interesting to see what OOC home/home contracts develop over the next few years with Mullin's reach.
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I'm not in the know whatsoever, but fwiw there were rumors on Twitter about 3 weeks back claiming that Monasch had mismanaged the 15'-16' OOC so much that the Fordham game had to be moved to the BX. Idk what happened with @ LBST, but it looks as if the new regime cancelled any pre-exisiting relationships and started with a clean slate. Obviously the core local relationships (Niagara/Cuse/SFNY) remain and won't be going anywhere, but it will be interesting to see what OOC home/home contracts develop over the next few years with Mullin's reach.
It was selfish of Lavin to schedule a home and away series with garbage like San Francisco. That flight is no joke, and it was completely unnecessary. He only did that because of his own personal ties with the Bay Area. Can't blame Monasch for a schedule that was heavily influenced by the coach.
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Not 1 Tourny team there, maybe Indiana
11/4 St. Thomas Aquinas (Exhibition)
11/7 Sonoma State (Exhibition)
11/13 Wagner
11/16 UMBC
11/19 Rutgers
11/23 Vanderbilt (Maui)
11/24 Indiana/Wake Forest (Maui)
11/25 TBD (Maui)
12/2 Fordham
12/6 St. Francis (NY)
12/9 Niagara
12/13 Syracuse
12/18 Incarnate Word
12/20 NJIT
12/22 South Carolina
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I'm not in the know whatsoever, but fwiw there were rumors on Twitter about 3 weeks back claiming that Monasch had mismanaged the 15'-16' OOC so much that the Fordham game had to be moved to the BX. Idk what happened with @ LBST, but it looks as if the new regime cancelled any pre-exisiting relationships and started with a clean slate. Obviously the core local relationships (Niagara/Cuse/SFNY) remain and won't be going anywhere, but it will be interesting to see what OOC home/home contracts develop over the next few years with Mullin's reach.
I believe the mismanagement was pointed at Lavin not Monasch.
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Not 1 Tourny team there, maybe Indiana
11/4 St. Thomas Aquinas (Exhibition)
11/7 Sonoma State (Exhibition)
11/13 Wagner
11/16 UMBC
11/19 Rutgers
11/23 Vanderbilt (Maui)
11/24 Indiana/Wake Forest (Maui)
11/25 TBD (Maui)
12/2 Fordham
12/6 St. Francis (NY)
12/9 Niagara
12/13 Syracuse
12/18 Incarnate Word
12/20 NJIT
12/22 South Carolina
Good. Not a tournament team this year. Need to show that we are respectable by getting to around. 500, hopefully better, by end of the season. If the schedule looks like this in future years, that's a problem.
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Not 1 Tourny team there, maybe Indiana
11/4 St. Thomas Aquinas (Exhibition)
11/7 Sonoma State (Exhibition)
11/13 Wagner
11/16 UMBC
11/19 Rutgers
11/23 Vanderbilt (Maui)
11/24 Indiana/Wake Forest (Maui)
11/25 TBD (Maui)
12/2 Fordham
12/6 St. Francis (NY)
12/9 Niagara
12/13 Syracuse
12/18 Incarnate Word
12/20 NJIT
12/22 South Carolina
Good. Not a tournament team this year. Need to show that we are respectable by getting to around. 500, hopefully better, by end of the season. If the schedule looks like this in future years, that's a problem.
Just don't see how it helps recruiting. No kid is saying "I can't wait to play against UMBC, South Carolina, Niagara, NJIT, Incarnate Word, Vandy, St. Francis, Fordham etc
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Not 1 Tourny team there, maybe Indiana
11/4 St. Thomas Aquinas (Exhibition)
11/7 Sonoma State (Exhibition)
11/13 Wagner
11/16 UMBC
11/19 Rutgers
11/23 Vanderbilt (Maui)
11/24 Indiana/Wake Forest (Maui)
11/25 TBD (Maui)
12/2 Fordham
12/6 St. Francis (NY)
12/9 Niagara
12/13 Syracuse
12/18 Incarnate Word
12/20 NJIT
12/22 South Carolina
Good. Not a tournament team this year. Need to show that we are respectable by getting to around. 500, hopefully better, by end of the season. If the schedule looks like this in future years, that's a problem.
Just don't see how it helps recruiting. No kid is saying "I can't wait to play against UMBC, South Carolina, Niagara, NJIT, Incarnate Word, Vandy, St. Francis, Fordham etc
I hear you, but those recruits will get to see us play Cuse, Nova and Hoyas at home so not all is lost. Also, for next year, I would rather not have a recruit's lasting impression be "wow, Kansas really pushed Mullin's sh#t in man!"
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Schedule is absolutely adequate. 3-4 KenPom top 100 teams last year. Should be a top 50-75 overall SOS, which is appropriately challenging in a rebuild year.
No recruit would view this schedule as a negative, and a harder schedule likely would lead to a worse record and possible blowouts on national TV, which is more detrimental to recruiting.
Also, Vandy is an experienced team that should make the tournament this year. Tough opener in Maui
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Schedule is absolutely adequate. 3-4 KenPom top 100 teams last year. Should be a top 50-75 overall SOS, which is appropriately challenging in a rebuild year.
No recruit would view this schedule as a negative, and a harder schedule likely would lead to a worse record and possible blowouts on national TV, which is more detrimental to recruiting.
Also, Vandy is an experienced team that should make the tournament this year. Tough opener in Maui
Agree
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I thought we played at Duke this year?
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I'm with Paultz and Chudney on this one. I think Cuse, Indiana and Vandy are all tourney teams (or at least in the hunt). And Cuse/Indiana are big name, storied programs. Maui is one of the top 2 pre-season tournaments. Yes, I would prefer to throw in a Manhattan or Iona instead of an Incarnate Word, but we still play St. Francis/Fordham/Rutgers.
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Not 1 Tourny team there, maybe Indiana
11/4 St. Thomas Aquinas (Exhibition)
11/7 Sonoma State (Exhibition)
11/13 Wagner
11/16 UMBC
11/19 Rutgers
11/23 Vanderbilt (Maui)
11/24 Indiana/Wake Forest (Maui)
11/25 TBD (Maui)
12/2 Fordham
12/6 St. Francis (NY)
12/9 Niagara
12/13 Syracuse
12/18 Incarnate Word
12/20 NJIT
12/22 South Carolina
Good. Not a tournament team this year. Need to show that we are respectable by getting to around. 500, hopefully better, by end of the season. If the schedule looks like this in future years, that's a problem.
Just don't see how it helps recruiting. No kid is saying "I can't wait to play against UMBC, South Carolina, Niagara, NJIT, Incarnate Word, Vandy, St. Francis, Fordham etc
Who your playing is not part of the pitch.....Unless your a program like Iona, then it would be understandable.
Think Duke, Kentucky, or Kansas has to sale a recruit on who they play? It's not about who we play, its about where we play and who you will be playing for and that every game will be on national TV. We are St. Johns.
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Not 1 Tourny team there, maybe Indiana
11/4 St. Thomas Aquinas (Exhibition)
11/7 Sonoma State (Exhibition)
11/13 Wagner
11/16 UMBC
11/19 Rutgers
11/23 Vanderbilt (Maui)
11/24 Indiana/Wake Forest (Maui)
11/25 TBD (Maui)
12/2 Fordham
12/6 St. Francis (NY)
12/9 Niagara
12/13 Syracuse
12/18 Incarnate Word
12/20 NJIT
12/22 South Carolina
Good. Not a tournament team this year. Need to show that we are respectable by getting to around. 500, hopefully better, by end of the season. If the schedule looks like this in future years, that's a problem.
Just don't see how it helps recruiting. No kid is saying "I can't wait to play against UMBC, South Carolina, Niagara, NJIT, Incarnate Word, Vandy, St. Francis, Fordham etc
Who your playing is not part of the pitch.....Unless your a program like Iona, then it would be understandable.
Think Duke, Kentucky, or Kansas has to sale a recruit on who they play? It's not about who we play, its about where we play and who you will be playing for and that every game will be on national TV. We are St. Johns.
St. Johns is not Kentucky, Duke or Kansas either. Those schools recruit themselves. St John's needs to up its game, don't see how playing these bottom feeders helps anything in the future
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Not 1 Tourny team there, maybe Indiana
11/4 St. Thomas Aquinas (Exhibition)
11/7 Sonoma State (Exhibition)
11/13 Wagner
11/16 UMBC
11/19 Rutgers
11/23 Vanderbilt (Maui)
11/24 Indiana/Wake Forest (Maui)
11/25 TBD (Maui)
12/2 Fordham
12/6 St. Francis (NY)
12/9 Niagara
12/13 Syracuse
12/18 Incarnate Word
12/20 NJIT
12/22 South Carolina
Good. Not a tournament team this year. Need to show that we are respectable by getting to around. 500, hopefully better, by end of the season. If the schedule looks like this in future years, that's a problem.
Just don't see how it helps recruiting. No kid is saying "I can't wait to play against UMBC, South Carolina, Niagara, NJIT, Incarnate Word, Vandy, St. Francis, Fordham etc
Who your playing is not part of the pitch.....Unless your a program like Iona, then it would be understandable.
Think Duke, Kentucky, or Kansas has to sale a recruit on who they play? It's not about who we play, its about where we play and who you will be playing for and that every game will be on national TV. We are St. Johns.
St. Johns is not Kentucky, Duke or Kansas either. Those schools recruit themselves. St John's needs to up its game, don't see how playing these bottom feeders helps anything in the future
Getting crushed at home by good teams doesn't help either. Especially in Mullin's first year. Schedule needs to improve over the years as recruiting improves.
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Maui definitely blew away the travel budget in one fell swoop, which is why stopping at LBST for a few nights before had to be especially straining. Fiscally, I understand why there wasn't another true road game scheduled, but in the years to come I hope that the Johnnies brand stretches into SEC/Big12/Pac10 country alongside the annual Gavitt Big 10 game, as the program continues to revive it's name. I thought Lavin did his best in that regard.
My crew goes to a true road game every year. We went to @GTown in 2009 and then Morgantown, WV during the 2010 season and had such a great time that we decided to make it a point to go to every BE city. If there was a more attractive OOC game scheduled that year (@Duke, @Cuse, etc.), then we'd choose that. It's become a great tradition. There's nothing cooler than being in an opponent's city, exploring their restaurants, tourist attractions, monuments, and then enjoying their in game atmosphere. We hope to be going to Indianapolis and Providence this year if the games are on the weekend. @Hall is a given, love winning at the Rock. 8)
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When recruits are sitting down and figuring out where they want to go to school, I'm pretty sure the team's schedule is the LEAST of their concerns. It's legit to question our schedule if you want to, but if you're concerned that's going to hurt recruiting I think that's pretty far fetched to say the least.
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When recruits are sitting down and figuring out where they want to go to school, I'm pretty sure the team's schedule is the LEAST of their concerns. It's legit to question our schedule if you want to, but if you're concerned that's going to hurt recruiting I think that's pretty far fetched to say the least.
So I should expect no complaints about strength of schedule or RPI come March?
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We reserve the right to complain about whatever we want, whenever we want to complain about it.
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Maui definitely blew away the travel budget in one fell swoop, which is why stopping at LBST for a few nights before had to be especially straining. Fiscally, I understand why there wasn't another true road game scheduled, but in the years to come I hope that the Johnnies brand stretches into SEC/Big12/Pac10 country alongside the annual Gavitt Big 10 game, as the program continues to revive it's name. I thought Lavin did his best in that regard.
My crew goes to a true road game every year. We went to @GTown in 2009 and then Morgantown, WV during the 2010 season and had such a great time that we decided to make it a point to go to every BE city. If there was a more attractive OOC game scheduled that year (@Duke, @Cuse, etc.), then we'd choose that. It's become a great tradition. There's nothing cooler than being in an opponent's city, exploring their restaurants, tourist attractions, monuments, and then enjoying their in game atmosphere. We hope to be going to Indianapolis and Providence this year if the games are on the weekend. @Hall is a given, love winning at the Rock. 8)
Doesnt the tournament pitch in to cover those costs? Or at least a sizeable portion.
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When recruits are sitting down and figuring out where they want to go to school, I'm pretty sure the team's schedule is the LEAST of their concerns. It's legit to question our schedule if you want to, but if you're concerned that's going to hurt recruiting I think that's pretty far fetched to say the least.
So I should expect no complaints about strength of schedule or RPI come March?
With respect to recruiting, there should be no schedule-related complaints
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When recruits are sitting down and figuring out where they want to go to school, I'm pretty sure the team's schedule is the LEAST of their concerns. It's legit to question our schedule if you want to, but if you're concerned that's going to hurt recruiting I think that's pretty far fetched to say the least.
So I should expect no complaints about strength of schedule or RPI come March?
With respect to recruiting, there should be no schedule-related complaints
Especially when you have Maui one year and Atlantis the next.
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Can't speak to that Moose, but I do know that there is an allotted travel budget each year. I'd have to imagine that the overhead of a Maui trip exhausts a good percentage of what could've been another OOC road game.
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Not 1 Tourny team there, maybe Indiana
11/4 St. Thomas Aquinas (Exhibition)
11/7 Sonoma State (Exhibition)
11/13 Wagner
11/16 UMBC
11/19 Rutgers
11/23 Vanderbilt (Maui)
11/24 Indiana/Wake Forest (Maui)
11/25 TBD (Maui)
12/2 Fordham
12/6 St. Francis (NY)
12/9 Niagara
12/13 Syracuse
12/18 Incarnate Word
12/20 NJIT
12/22 South Carolina
Vandy will be in the running for a Tourney. IU might??? IU will be one of the favorites for the Big 10. Kansas will be the usual Big 12 favorite. UCLA is a Tourney team and UNLV will be much better.
That is how a Tourney works, if SJU can't win in the Tourney then they probably will play the weaker foes. That is not a scheduling problem, that is an issue with SJU not playing good enough. But you don't blame the scheduling considering the Maui is one of the better pre-season Tourney's every year. You don't get Kansas, UCLA and IU in a Tourney and call that weak.
Furthermore Syracuse will still be pretty good but not elite. But that is not SJU's fault. There is nobody who would have been against scheduling SU for another home and home. The fact that SU got into NCAA trouble and was scholarship restricted is not the fault of SJU.
These things are done years in advance. If SJU schedules UCLA and they stink one year that happens. But you can't be against scheduling a UCLA or Syracuse just because in an odd year they may not be elite.
And keep an eye on South Carolina. This is year four for Frank Martin and I think he may finally have the talent to make a move in the SEC.
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Not 1 Tourny team there, maybe Indiana
11/4 St. Thomas Aquinas (Exhibition)
11/7 Sonoma State (Exhibition)
11/13 Wagner
11/16 UMBC
11/19 Rutgers
11/23 Vanderbilt (Maui)
11/24 Indiana/Wake Forest (Maui)
11/25 TBD (Maui)
12/2 Fordham
12/6 St. Francis (NY)
12/9 Niagara
12/13 Syracuse
12/18 Incarnate Word
12/20 NJIT
12/22 South Carolina
Vandy will be in the running for a Tounrey. IU might??? IU will be one of the favorites for the Big 10. Kansas will be the usual Big 12 favorite. UCLA is a Tourney team and UNLV will be much better.
That is how a Tourney works, if SJU can't win in the Tourney then they probably will play the weaker foes. That is not a scheduling problem, that is an issue with SJU not playing good enough. But you don't blame the scheduling considering the Maui is one of the better pre-season Tourney's every year. You don't get Kansas, UCLA and IU in a Tourney and call that weak.
Furthermore Syracuse will still be pretty good but not elite. But that is not SJU's fault. There is nobody who would have been against scheduling SU for another home and home. The fact that SU got into NCAA trouble and was scholarship restricted is not the fault of SJU.
These things are done years in advance. If SJU schedules UCLA and they stink one year that happens. But you can't be against scheduling a UCLA or Syracuse just because in an odd year they may not be elite.
And keep an eye on South Carolina. This is year four for Frank Martin and I think he may finally have the talent to make a move in the SEC.
He's just upset that a certain team from New Rochelle is not on the schedule. Baldi would want to replace Syracuse with them in a heartbeat.
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Not true. Baldi will be the first one to tell you we should schedule Cuse. His beef is with the Incarnate Word's instead of Iona or Manhattan. And I get that, though this is how the game is played with the OOC and mid majors.
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the bigger issues are ensuring the conference has quality teams, where beating teams in your conference will get you in the tournament. The second one is the conference doing well in the tournament. Will the committee not select a BE bubble team because the conference keeps getting bounced out in the first and second weekend?
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When recruits are sitting down and figuring out where they want to go to school, I'm pretty sure the team's schedule is the LEAST of their concerns. It's legit to question our schedule if you want to, but if you're concerned that's going to hurt recruiting I think that's pretty far fetched to say the least.
So I should expect no complaints about strength of schedule or RPI come March?
From the recruits? No you should not. Wasn't that the argument? From the fans, I would absolutely expect that no matter what and it might be justified in this case which is what I said. I hope we're in that position where it matters this year.
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Not true. Baldi will be the first one to tell you we should schedule Cuse. His beef is with the Incarnate Word's instead of Iona or Manhattan. And I get that, though this is how the game is played with the OOC and mid majors.
Then why mention no NCAA teams or argue we can't get recruits like UK or Duke if your only point is that SJU is not playing more MAAC teams?
Is he now going to argue SJU's chances with say Rawle get better if they play Manhattan...
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Not true. Baldi will be the first one to tell you we should schedule Cuse. His beef is with the Incarnate Word's instead of Iona or Manhattan. And I get that, though this is how the game is played with the OOC and mid majors.
Then why mention no NCAA teams or argue we can't get recruits like UK or Duke if your only point is that SJU is not playing more MAAC teams?
Is he now going to argue SJU's chances with say Rawle get better if they play Manhattan...
How many of those on the schedule were in NCAAs last year? I didn't mention Duke Or Kentucky, someone else compared them to St John's. So with no top games on the ooc schedule, which games is the showcase for the recruits? Probation Syracuse? Or Maybe Wagner?
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Not 1 Tourny team there, maybe Indiana
11/4 St. Thomas Aquinas (Exhibition)
11/7 Sonoma State (Exhibition)
11/13 Wagner
11/16 UMBC
11/19 Rutgers
11/23 Vanderbilt (Maui)
11/24 Indiana/Wake Forest (Maui)
11/25 TBD (Maui)
12/2 Fordham
12/6 St. Francis (NY)
12/9 Niagara
12/13 Syracuse
12/18 Incarnate Word
12/20 NJIT
12/22 South Carolina
How many of these games are at the Garden? Serious question
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Incarnate Word? That team just sounds like a real Rpi buster.
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Not 1 Tourny team there, maybe Indiana
11/4 St. Thomas Aquinas (Exhibition)
11/7 Sonoma State (Exhibition)
11/13 Wagner
11/16 UMBC
11/19 Rutgers
11/23 Vanderbilt (Maui)
11/24 Indiana/Wake Forest (Maui)
11/25 TBD (Maui)
12/2 Fordham
12/6 St. Francis (NY)
12/9 Niagara
12/13 Syracuse
12/18 Incarnate Word
12/20 NJIT
12/22 South Carolina
Good. Not a tournament team this year. Need to show that we are respectable by getting to around. 500, hopefully better, by end of the season. If the schedule looks like this in future years, that's a problem.
Just don't see how it helps recruiting. No kid is saying "I can't wait to play against UMBC, South Carolina, Niagara, NJIT, Incarnate Word, Vandy, St. Francis, Fordham etc
I think considering the lack of certainly at every position, I think it we're gonna have a weaker pre-season, this has got to be the year to do it. When has St.John's returned less?
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FINAL RPIs from last season
Incarnate word 173
Manhattan 174
NJIT 134
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Far from a good Non-conf schedule (besides Maui maybe), but definitely the year to do this. I think the record in Mullin's first year is much more important to potential recruits looking at SJU than what their SOS/RPI is.
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Not true. Baldi will be the first one to tell you we should schedule Cuse. His beef is with the Incarnate Word's instead of Iona or Manhattan. And I get that, though this is how the game is played with the OOC and mid majors.
Then why mention no NCAA teams or argue we can't get recruits like UK or Duke if your only point is that SJU is not playing more MAAC teams?
Is he now going to argue SJU's chances with say Rawle get better if they play Manhattan...
How many of those on the schedule were in NCAAs last year? I didn't mention Duke Or Kentucky, someone else compared them to St John's. So with no top games on the ooc schedule, which games is the showcase for the recruits? Probation Syracuse? Or Maybe Wagner?
These schedules are made years in advance, you can't go by that. The Maui has 3 teams in it that made the Tourney and at least another two who will be Tourney contenders-Vandy and UNLV. Vegas has missed the Tourney the last two years putting their coach on the hot seat but the reason why he is on the hot seat is they are a perennial NCAA contender. That is why they kept Zimmerman home instead of going to UK.
I didn't say you didn't mention UK and Duke, seriously. You FAILED TO MENTION KANSAS one of the 3-4 biggest programs in America is in Maui. SJU is not directly set to play them but that is because of how Tourney's are formatted guy. If SJU played Kansas early that means the committee thinks SJU is going to REALLY SUCK. And if they don't play them later on it probably means SJU did not win and get to the final. Nothing you can do about that. That is called a Tourney format. Vandy in the first round is a terrific first round game. Vandy won 20+ and went to the NIT and brings back most of their core. Go look at first round games of the NIT played at Carnesecca in previous years against low level mid-majors to guarantee SJU gets to MSG with no losses.
These schedules especially with the Bigger programs cannot be made at the last minute. They need to be made years in advance. Could the schedule be better, sure but you can always say that.
Last year? Well SJU made the NCAA's last year, I guess that makes them a prime opponent for someone this year even though they are not projected to be anywhere near as good this year.
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Not true. Baldi will be the first one to tell you we should schedule Cuse. His beef is with the Incarnate Word's instead of Iona or Manhattan. And I get that, though this is how the game is played with the OOC and mid majors.
Then why mention no NCAA teams or argue we can't get recruits like UK or Duke if your only point is that SJU is not playing more MAAC teams?
Is he now going to argue SJU's chances with say Rawle get better if they play Manhattan...
How many of those on the schedule were in NCAAs last year? I didn't mention Duke Or Kentucky, someone else compared them to St John's. So with no top games on the ooc schedule, which games is the showcase for the recruits? Probation Syracuse? Or Maybe Wagner?
These schedules are made years in advance, you can't go by that. The Maui has 3 teams in it that made the Tourney and at least another two who will be Tourney contenders-Vandy and UNLV. Vegas has missed the Tourney the last two years putting their coach on the hot seat but the reason why he is on the hot seat is they are a perennial NCAA contender. That is why they kept Zimmerman home instead of going to UK.
I didn't say you didn't mention UK and Duke, seriously. You FAILED TO MENTION KANSAS one of the 3-4 biggest programs in America is in Maui. SJU is not directly set to play them but that is because of how Tourney's are formatted guy. If SJU played Kansas early that means the committee thinks SJU is going to REALLY SUCK. And if they don't play them later on it probably means SJU did not win and get to the final. Nothing you can do about that. That is called a Tourney format. Vandy in the first round is a terrific first round game. Vandy won 20+ and went to the NIT and brings back most of their core. Go look at first round games of the NIT played at Carnesecca in previous years against low level mid-majors to guarantee SJU gets to MSG with no losses.
These schedules especially with the Bigger programs cannot be made at the last minute. They need to be made years in advance. Could the schedule be better, sure but you can always say that.
Last year? Well SJU made the NCAA's last year, I guess that makes them a prime opponent for someone this year even though they are not projected to be anywhere near as good this year.
Maui aside, there is maybe 1 game that intrigues me and that school is on probation. Are all the games on campus this year?
As for schedules made years in advance, that's news to me. I know some teams are still trying to fill out the schedule
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Not true. Baldi will be the first one to tell you we should schedule Cuse. His beef is with the Incarnate Word's instead of Iona or Manhattan. And I get that, though this is how the game is played with the OOC and mid majors.
Then why mention no NCAA teams or argue we can't get recruits like UK or Duke if your only point is that SJU is not playing more MAAC teams?
Is he now going to argue SJU's chances with say Rawle get better if they play Manhattan...
How many of those on the schedule were in NCAAs last year? I didn't mention Duke Or Kentucky, someone else compared them to St John's. So with no top games on the ooc schedule, which games is the showcase for the recruits? Probation Syracuse? Or Maybe Wagner?
These schedules are made years in advance, you can't go by that. The Maui has 3 teams in it that made the Tourney and at least another two who will be Tourney contenders-Vandy and UNLV. Vegas has missed the Tourney the last two years putting their coach on the hot seat but the reason why he is on the hot seat is they are a perennial NCAA contender. That is why they kept Zimmerman home instead of going to UK.
I didn't say you didn't mention UK and Duke, seriously. You FAILED TO MENTION KANSAS one of the 3-4 biggest programs in America is in Maui. SJU is not directly set to play them but that is because of how Tourney's are formatted guy. If SJU played Kansas early that means the committee thinks SJU is going to REALLY SUCK. And if they don't play them later on it probably means SJU did not win and get to the final. Nothing you can do about that. That is called a Tourney format. Vandy in the first round is a terrific first round game. Vandy won 20+ and went to the NIT and brings back most of their core. Go look at first round games of the NIT played at Carnesecca in previous years against low level mid-majors to guarantee SJU gets to MSG with no losses.
These schedules especially with the Bigger programs cannot be made at the last minute. They need to be made years in advance. Could the schedule be better, sure but you can always say that.
Last year? Well SJU made the NCAA's last year, I guess that makes them a prime opponent for someone this year even though they are not projected to be anywhere near as good this year.
Maui aside, there is maybe 1 game that intrigues me and that school is on probation. Are all the games on campus this year?
As for schedules made years in advance, that's news to me. I know some teams are still trying to fill out the schedule
Marco - which would you prefer:
Choice A - 15 wins with the current schedule (SOS 50-75)
Choice B - 12 wins with a harder schedule (SOS ~20) and at least 1 blowout against a perennial power
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Maui aside, there is maybe 1 game that intrigues me and that school is on probation. Are all the games on campus this year?
As for schedules made years in advance, that's news to me. I know some teams are still trying to fill out the schedule
Since you appear to be too lazy to visit Redstormsports, only St Francis, as part of an all locals double header, and Syracuse are at MSG in the OOC.
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Maui aside, there is maybe 1 game that intrigues me and that school is on probation. Are all the games on campus this year?
As for schedules made years in advance, that's news to me. I know some teams are still trying to fill out the schedule
Since you appear to be too lazy to visit Redstormsports, only St Francis, as part of an all locals double header, and Syracuse are at MSG in the OOC.
Is the game on TV?
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Maui aside, there is maybe 1 game that intrigues me and that school is on probation. Are all the games on campus this year?
As for schedules made years in advance, that's news to me. I know some teams are still trying to fill out the schedule
Since you appear to be too lazy to visit Redstormsports, only St Francis, as part of an all locals double header, and Syracuse are at MSG in the OOC.
On the beach in the Caribbean.so yes, too lazy. Might as well play the whole slate in Queens. Fck Syracuae and their fans
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Not true. Baldi will be the first one to tell you we should schedule Cuse. His beef is with the Incarnate Word's instead of Iona or Manhattan. And I get that, though this is how the game is played with the OOC and mid majors.
Then why mention no NCAA teams or argue we can't get recruits like UK or Duke if your only point is that SJU is not playing more MAAC teams?
Is he now going to argue SJU's chances with say Rawle get better if they play Manhattan...
How many of those on the schedule were in NCAAs last year? I didn't mention Duke Or Kentucky, someone else compared them to St John's. So with no top games on the ooc schedule, which games is the showcase for the recruits? Probation Syracuse? Or Maybe Wagner?
These schedules are made years in advance, you can't go by that. The Maui has 3 teams in it that made the Tourney and at least another two who will be Tourney contenders-Vandy and UNLV. Vegas has missed the Tourney the last two years putting their coach on the hot seat but the reason why he is on the hot seat is they are a perennial NCAA contender. That is why they kept Zimmerman home instead of going to UK.
I didn't say you didn't mention UK and Duke, seriously. You FAILED TO MENTION KANSAS one of the 3-4 biggest programs in America is in Maui. SJU is not directly set to play them but that is because of how Tourney's are formatted guy. If SJU played Kansas early that means the committee thinks SJU is going to REALLY SUCK. And if they don't play them later on it probably means SJU did not win and get to the final. Nothing you can do about that. That is called a Tourney format. Vandy in the first round is a terrific first round game. Vandy won 20+ and went to the NIT and brings back most of their core. Go look at first round games of the NIT played at Carnesecca in previous years against low level mid-majors to guarantee SJU gets to MSG with no losses.
These schedules especially with the Bigger programs cannot be made at the last minute. They need to be made years in advance. Could the schedule be better, sure but you can always say that.
Last year? Well SJU made the NCAA's last year, I guess that makes them a prime opponent for someone this year even though they are not projected to be anywhere near as good this year.
Maui aside, there is maybe 1 game that intrigues me and that school is on probation. Are all the games on campus this year?
As for schedules made years in advance, that's news to me. I know some teams are still trying to fill out the schedule
Marco - which would you prefer:
Choice A - 15 wins with the current schedule (SOS 50-75)
Choice B - 12 wins with a harder schedule (SOS ~20) and at least 1 blowout against a perennial power
If we are thinking of the future, give me B. I don't see how much a team can learn from thumping A Wagner or UMBCs
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Not true. Baldi will be the first one to tell you we should schedule Cuse. His beef is with the Incarnate Word's instead of Iona or Manhattan. And I get that, though this is how the game is played with the OOC and mid majors.
Then why mention no NCAA teams or argue we can't get recruits like UK or Duke if your only point is that SJU is not playing more MAAC teams?
Is he now going to argue SJU's chances with say Rawle get better if they play Manhattan...
How many of those on the schedule were in NCAAs last year? I didn't mention Duke Or Kentucky, someone else compared them to St John's. So with no top games on the ooc schedule, which games is the showcase for the recruits? Probation Syracuse? Or Maybe Wagner?
Baldi, Cuse is eligible for the tourney this year since they banned themselves last year . (They knew they weren't going to make it, so they banned themselves. What a joke). But it still would not have mattered because a team's SOS is not affected by whether or not an opponent is eligible for the tourney. But Cuse is eligible this year.
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Still think the non-Conference schedule is weak? Vandy, Indiana and later Syracuse.
Syracuse is good folks.
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South Carolina aint a slouch either.
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Still think the non-Conference schedule is weak? Vandy, Indiana and later Syracuse.
Syracuse is good folks.
Schedule is MUCH stronger than I would like. I'd rather see Prarie View A&M than Syracuse or South Carolina.
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South Carolina aint a slouch either.
We will be underdogs by a healthy margin against South Carolina. They may not have the most talent in the world but they are all experienced players and aren't necessarily weak at any position
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South Carolina aint a slouch either.
We will be underdogs by a healthy margin against South Carolina. They may not have the most talent in the world but they are all experienced players and aren't necessarily weak at any position
That game would have been a lot of fun to go to. Stupid that it's on a Tuesday .
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Almost forgot South Carolina. I think Frank Martin's team is going to surprise people this year,
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Almost forgot South Carolina. I think Frank Martin's team is going to surprise people this year,
I watched 'em play a couple of times last week in the Paradise Jam. Their two bigs, Laimonas Chatkevicius and Mindaugas Kacinas, are playing well. Duane Notice is playing sound and knocking down treys. Don't forget about Sindarius Thornwell, either. PJ Dozier generally plays smart and mature for a frosh. They're gonna be a tough out like most of our games.
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Almost forgot South Carolina. I think Frank Martin's team is going to surprise people this year,
A lot of experience on that team. They should be solid.
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Almost forgot South Carolina. I think Frank Martin's team is going to surprise people this year,
Isn't this when you remind me that I felt he should be fired?