6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: capmaker on September 26, 2017, 10:12:51 AM
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20824193/ncaa-basketball-coaches-10-charged-fraud-corruption
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I wonder if there are others that will be announced soon. Just relieved not to hear our name.
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I wonder if there are others that will be announced soon. Just relieved not to hear our name.
It'd be pretty bad if we were bribing kids and still not getting anyone....
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Alkins, Heron, Bowen --- lot of guys we were involved with at points that went to one of these schools. On the one hand, this could show we arent dirty. On the other it could show we were trying to be dirty but got outbid....
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This particular FBI probe, apparently ongoing for a few years, seems to involve Adidas schools and a high level Adidas exec. Louisville finally going down?
(Recruiting is hard enough, but with the kind of money spoken of in this investigation, it's easy to see how hard it is to get local kids to commit to staying home.)
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This particular FBI probe, apparently ongoing for a few years, seems to involve Adidas schools and a high level Adidas exec. Louisville finally going down?
(Recruiting is hard enough, but with the kind of money spoken of in this investigation, it's easy to see how hard it is to get local kids to commit to staying home.)
It is focused on Adidas, but isn't Auburn an Under Armour school?
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I wonder if there are others that will be announced soon. Just relieved not to hear our name.
It'd be pretty bad if we were bribing kids and still not getting anyone....
Yup
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Everyone in the country was after those kids at one point.
Alkins, Heron, Bowen --- lot of guys we were involved with at points that went to one of these schools. On the one hand, this could show we arent dirty. On the other it could show we were trying to be dirty but got outbid....
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Sonny Vaccaro on CNBC right now saying he's shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here. Hilarious.
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Schadenfreude! (not another German forward)
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This is why Eddie Fogler, IMO, never came back to coach college basketball. He hated dealing with the AAU guys and the cheating that was going on throughout the industry.
Frankly, this entire situation starts with AAU.
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Pat Forde for years has been considered a Pitino apologist:
https://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa-needs-give-louisville-basketball-death-sentence-bombshell-allegations-prove-correct-181930063.html
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This is why Eddie Fogler, IMO, never came back to coach college basketball. He hated dealing with the AAU guys and the cheating that was going on throughout the industry.
Frankly, this entire situation starts with AAU.
Eddie is good dude spoke to him years back when he was running PSU's coaching search. Also my cousin grew up friends with Tony Bland playing AAU and then at SDSU.
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https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2017/09/26/ncaa-basketball-assistants-corruption-charges
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http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/2017/09/27/rick-pitino-fight-fired-louisville-basketball-scandal/707272001/
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http://tucson.com/sports/arizonawildcats/basketball/arrest-of-university-of-arizona-assistant-book-richardson-exposes-dirty/article_4b96d520-1fd1-5901-9ce3-65ed8ef48499.html
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You take bribes, you go to prison. That includes parents and players. I hope that's the mantra of Feds in this case.
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Pitino expects to be fired today...
Louisville head basketball coach Rick Pitino has told members of his coaching staff that he expects to lose his... https://t.co/b6tIVNXofU
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http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2735450-rick-pitino-reportedly-expected-to-be-fired-wednesday-after-fbi-ncaa-probe
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https://www.seccountry.com/auburn/internet-rips-auburn-basketball-coach-bruce-pearl-reported-corruption-charges-chuck-person
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Pitino expects to be fired today...
Louisville head basketball coach Rick Pitino has told members of his coaching staff that he expects to lose his... https://t.co/b6tIVNXofU
Joe Lapchick's adage rings true--Peacock today, feather duster tomorrow. I guess the sex for recruits was under the 6 figure criteria for firing.
No need to feel sorry for everyone of these cheats because when they win, a clean coach losses his job.
PS--with all this hitting the fan for college Basketball; imagine how much dirt there is about college FB where the really HUUUUUGE money is.
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20834710/louisville-head-coach-rich-pitino-athletic-director-tom-jurich-out
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20834710/louisville-head-coach-rich-pitino-athletic-director-tom-jurich-out
I wonder how many recruits will de-commit and players will transfer from the scandal-tagged programs?
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20834710/louisville-head-coach-rich-pitino-athletic-director-tom-jurich-out
I wonder how many recruits will de-commit and players will transfer from the scandal-tagged programs?
The ones who (and/or their families) who took bribes probably won't play anywhere in the US... and that includes the NBA.
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20834710/louisville-head-coach-rich-pitino-athletic-director-tom-jurich-out
I wonder how many recruits will de-commit and players will transfer from the scandal-tagged programs?
The ones who (and/or their families) who took bribes probably won't play anywhere in the US... and that includes the NBA.
Not sure about that. If there are no criminal charges against the players themselves NBA teams won't care. If they think a guy can help them win they will sign him.
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20834710/louisville-head-coach-rich-pitino-athletic-director-tom-jurich-out
The shame of this is that Slick Rick is in the BB Hall of Fame. They should remove any reference to him in the Hall as it shames those who are enshrined there who played by the rules. The Hall has a Board of Trustees that has the following responsibility in considering finalists--has the Finalist "damaged the integrity of the game of basketball"; if so "he/she shall be deemed not worthy of Enshrinement and removed from consideration".
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20834710/louisville-head-coach-rich-pitino-athletic-director-tom-jurich-out
The shame of this is that Slick Rick is in the BB Hall of Fame. They should remove any reference to him in the Hall as it shames those who are enshrined there who played by the rules. The Hall has a Board of Trustees that has the following responsibility in considering finalists--has the Finalist "damaged the integrity of the game of basketball"; if so "he/she shall be deemed not worthy of Enshrinement and removed from consideration".
Maybe he should be thrown out but the criteria you cite is for a candidate for the Hall not one already enshrined.
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If I were Louisville I would seriously consider Tom Crean, maybe even immediately.
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Someone on Redmen said we may be involved in the investigation.... Don't know if they are reputable, but is anyone else hearing this? Would be pretty sad if we were considering how poorly we have been recruiting lol.
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Someone on Redmen said we may be involved in the investigation.... Don't know if they are reputable, but is anyone else hearing this? Would be pretty sad if we were considering how poorly we have been recruiting lol.
If we are involved it would probably involve one of the walkons we have had on our roster. ;) :)
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Someone on Redmen said we may be involved in the investigation.... Don't know if they are reputable, but is anyone else hearing this? Would be pretty sad if we were considering how poorly we have been recruiting lol.
If we are involved it would probably involve one of the walkons we have had on our roster. ;) :)
Nas
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Someone on Redmen said we may be involved in the investigation.... Don't know if they are reputable, but is anyone else hearing this? Would be pretty sad if we were considering how poorly we have been recruiting lol.
If we are involved it would probably involve one of the walkons we have had on our roster. ;) :)
Nas
We didn't even make his final cut. Wouldn't that bode well for us?
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@DarrenHeitner
Sources: Employees of Nike's EYBL grassroots division, along with documents, have been subpoenaed by FBI in furtherance of investigation
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Someone on Redmen said we may be involved in the investigation.... Don't know if they are reputable, but is anyone else hearing this? Would be pretty sad if we were considering how poorly we have been recruiting lol.
If we are involved it would probably involve one of the walkons we have had on our roster. ;) :)
Nas
We didn't even make his final cut. Wouldn't that bode well for us?
To me, that wouldnt make sense. First, we re not an Adidas school. Unless UA was funnelling players to us or trying to. And Second, do we have enough pro prospects to warrant t bribe to steer players to certain advisors? To me, the answers would be no, and no. My understanding of the schools policy in this regard was to be on the up and up after Keita and the Pittsburg debacle. IMHO.
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Someone on Redmen said we may be involved in the investigation.... Don't know if they are reputable, but is anyone else hearing this? Would be pretty sad if we were considering how poorly we have been recruiting lol.
If we are involved it would probably involve one of the walkons we have had on our roster. ;) :)
Nas
We didn't even make his final cut. Wouldn't that bode well for us?
To me, that wouldnt make sense. First, we re not an Adidas school. Unless UA was funnelling players to us or trying to. And Second, do we have enough pro prospects to warrant t bribe to steer players to certain advisors? To me, the answers would be no, and no. My understanding of the schools policy in this regard was to be on the up and up after Keita and the Pittsburg debacle. IMHO.
I don't think Mullin or Matt would get involved in such things.
But now we know why we didn't get some of the big ticket guys who went to Arizona (or committed to) and Auburn that Slice wanted here.
And Lavin's crew? Well....
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Someone on Redmen said we may be involved in the investigation.... Don't know if they are reputable, but is anyone else hearing this? Would be pretty sad if we were considering how poorly we have been recruiting lol.
If we are involved it would probably involve one of the walkons we have had on our roster. ;) :)
Nas
We didn't even make his final cut. Wouldn't that bode well for us?
To me, that wouldnt make sense. First, we re not an Adidas school. Unless UA was funnelling players to us or trying to. And Second, do we have enough pro prospects to warrant t bribe to steer players to certain advisors? To me, the answers would be no, and no. My understanding of the schools policy in this regard was to be on the up and up after Keita and the Pittsburg debacle. IMHO.
Auburn is also an Under Armour school.
Regardless, even if we are under possible investigation, I seriously doubt anything comes of it. I'm sure lots of schools will be questioned, but that doesn't mean anything will come of it.
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Someone on Redmen said we may be involved in the investigation.... Don't know if they are reputable, but is anyone else hearing this? Would be pretty sad if we were considering how poorly we have been recruiting lol.
If we are involved it would probably involve one of the walkons we have had on our roster. ;) :)
Nas
We didn't even make his final cut. Wouldn't that bode well for us?
To me, that wouldnt make sense. First, we re not an Adidas school. Unless UA was funnelling players to us or trying to. And Second, do we have enough pro prospects to warrant t bribe to steer players to certain advisors? To me, the answers would be no, and no. My understanding of the schools policy in this regard was to be on the up and up after Keita and the Pittsburg debacle. IMHO.
I don't think Mullin or Matt would get involved in such things.
But now we know why we didn't get some of the big ticket guys who went to Arizona (or committed to) and Auburn that Slice wanted here.
And Lavin's crew? Well....
Lavin and his staff also similarly missed out on so-called "big ticket guys."
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Perhaps Slice wanted to "play ball" and Mullin said no?
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Someone on Redmen said we may be involved in the investigation.... Don't know if they are reputable, but is anyone else hearing this? Would be pretty sad if we were considering how poorly we have been recruiting lol.
If we are involved it would probably involve one of the walkons we have had on our roster. ;) :)
Nas
We didn't even make his final cut. Wouldn't that bode well for us?
To me, that wouldnt make sense. First, we re not an Adidas school. Unless UA was funnelling players to us or trying to. And Second, do we have enough pro prospects to warrant t bribe to steer players to certain advisors? To me, the answers would be no, and no. My understanding of the schools policy in this regard was to be on the up and up after Keita and the Pittsburg debacle. IMHO.
I don't think Mullin or Matt would get involved in such things.
But now we know why we didn't get some of the big ticket guys who went to Arizona (or committed to) and Auburn that Slice wanted here.
And Lavin's crew? Well....
Lavin and his staff also similarly missed out on so-called "big ticket guys."
They got a couple. One of which is in the slammer and the other a dope fiend....
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I don't post very often but take this for what it's worth. When Slice left I asked my next door neighbor, who happens to be a division one head basketball coach. I asked him if he knew anything and all he said was "Mullin likes to do things above board".
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I don't think Mullin or Matt would get involved in such things.
But now we know why we didn't get some of the big ticket guys who went to Arizona (or committed to) and Auburn that Slice wanted here.
And Lavin's crew? Well....
Lavin and his staff also similarly missed out on so-called "big ticket guys."
They got a couple. One of which is in the slammer and the other a dope fiend....
I think we landed Jordan because no one really wanted to deal with his whimsical-like behavior.
Because a dude smoked weed, he's now a "dope fiend?" I also wouldn't consider Obekpa one of the "big tickets," as he was a top 60 recruit. That's not a "big ticket" in the recruiting world.
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I also find it "interesting" looking back, on how Heron and Alkins were Slice's guys, and he and Matt had a falling out over their recruitment. Both Heron and Alkins could be at center of this thing.
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Maybe Louisville hires Norm to clean thing up :)
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I also find it "interesting" looking back, on how Heron and Alkins were Slice's guys, and he and Matt had a falling out over their recruitment. Both Heron and Alkins could be at center of this thing.
Terrance Ferguson, exhibit 3
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I also find it "interesting" looking back, on how Heron and Alkins were Slice's guys, and he and Matt had a falling out over their recruitment. Both Heron and Alkins could be at center of this thing.
Terrance Ferguson, exhibit 3
Exactly.
Glad we have Mullin. Now we need to see him improve as an in game coach.
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Perhaps Slice wanted to "play ball" and Mullin said no?
I don't post very often but take this for what it's worth. When Slice left I asked my next door neighbor, who happens to be a division one head basketball coach. I asked him if he knew anything and all he said was "Mullin likes to do things above board".
Lol. Hillarious
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Perhaps Slice wanted to "play ball" and Mullin said no?
I don't post very often but take this for what it's worth. When Slice left I asked my next door neighbor, who happens to be a division one head basketball coach. I asked him if he knew anything and all he said was "Mullin likes to do things above board".
Lol. Hillarious
Sinkin with that ship ey?
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Don't think it does any good to get into a debate on this. Fans of every college program at the D-1 level, whether it be the America East, MAAC, Big East, etc, should just want their program to come clear of this. I expect the big boys to be implicated the most, but we shall see. As Paultz alluded, cutting corners occurs everywhere (remember the scandal with Kevin Broadus and freaking Binghamton a few years ago). Some do it worse than others, and my hope is that the worst offenders get hit here without wading into ridiculousness.
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I don't think Mullin or Matt would get involved in such things.
But now we know why we didn't get some of the big ticket guys who went to Arizona (or committed to) and Auburn that Slice wanted here.
And Lavin's crew? Well....
Lavin and his staff also similarly missed out on so-called "big ticket guys."
They got a couple. One of which is in the slammer and the other a dope fiend....
I think we landed Jordan because no one really wanted to deal with his whimsical-like behavior.
Because a dude smoked weed, he's now a "dope fiend?" I also wouldn't consider Obekpa one of the "big tickets," as he was a top 60 recruit. That's not a "big ticket" in the recruiting world.
It's a big ticket for SJU given how we have recruited since 2000 or so.
I am using hyperbole in calling him a dope fiend.
Just be happy that we don't have Lavin anymore.
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Perhaps Slice wanted to "play ball" and Mullin said no?
I don't post very often but take this for what it's worth. When Slice left I asked my next door neighbor, who happens to be a division one head basketball coach. I asked him if he knew anything and all he said was "Mullin likes to do things above board".
Lol. Hillarious
A bit defensive? Poor Slice couldn't convince Mullin to go the shady route. Makes sense now...
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Perhaps Slice wanted to "play ball" and Mullin said no?
I don't post very often but take this for what it's worth. When Slice left I asked my next door neighbor, who happens to be a division one head basketball coach. I asked him if he knew anything and all he said was "Mullin likes to do things above board".
Lol. Hillarious
Sinkin with that ship ey?
Can't be serious. Shirley
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Perhaps Slice wanted to "play ball" and Mullin said no?
I don't post very often but take this for what it's worth. When Slice left I asked my next door neighbor, who happens to be a division one head basketball coach. I asked him if he knew anything and all he said was "Mullin likes to do things above board".
Lol. Hillarious
A bit defensive? Poor Slice couldn't convince Mullin to go the shady route. Makes sense now...
Do you really want to go there?
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Perhaps Slice wanted to "play ball" and Mullin said no?
I don't post very often but take this for what it's worth. When Slice left I asked my next door neighbor, who happens to be a division one head basketball coach. I asked him if he knew anything and all he said was "Mullin likes to do things above board".
Lol. Hillarious
A bit defensive? Poor Slice couldn't convince Mullin to go the shady route. Makes sense now...
Do you really want to go there?
Sure why not? Bring it wuss.
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Perhaps Slice wanted to "play ball" and Mullin said no?
I don't post very often but take this for what it's worth. When Slice left I asked my next door neighbor, who happens to be a division one head basketball coach. I asked him if he knew anything and all he said was "Mullin likes to do things above board".
Lol. Hillarious
A bit defensive? Poor Slice couldn't convince Mullin to go the shady route. Makes sense now...
Seems a little unfair to drag Slice's name through the mud based on speculation.
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Perhaps Slice wanted to "play ball" and Mullin said no?
I don't post very often but take this for what it's worth. When Slice left I asked my next door neighbor, who happens to be a division one head basketball coach. I asked him if he knew anything and all he said was "Mullin likes to do things above board".
Lol. Hillarious
A bit defensive? Poor Slice couldn't convince Mullin to go the shady route. Makes sense now...
Seems a little unfair to drag Slice's name through the mud based on speculation.
Good point and you are right. I have no knowledge of anything. However, connecting the dots does make things a tad suspicious.
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Perhaps Slice wanted to "play ball" and Mullin said no?
I don't post very often but take this for what it's worth. When Slice left I asked my next door neighbor, who happens to be a division one head basketball coach. I asked him if he knew anything and all he said was "Mullin likes to do things above board".
Lol. Hillarious
A bit defensive? Poor Slice couldn't convince Mullin to go the shady route. Makes sense now...
Do you really want to go there?
Sure why not? Bring it wuss.
Since you asked. Would love to know how our star player is driving a jaguar, sporting a Rolex. I can go on, if ya want
As a Slice apologist and St. John's hater, why don't you go ahead and call the FBI hotline. Sad.
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Perhaps Slice wanted to "play ball" and Mullin said no?
I don't post very often but take this for what it's worth. When Slice left I asked my next door neighbor, who happens to be a division one head basketball coach. I asked him if he knew anything and all he said was "Mullin likes to do things above board".
Lol. Hillarious
A bit defensive? Poor Slice couldn't convince Mullin to go the shady route. Makes sense now...
Do you really want to go there?
Sure why not? Bring it wuss.
Since you asked. Would love to know how our star player is driving a jaguar, sporting a Rolex. I can go on, if ya want
As a Slice apologist and St. John's hater, why don't you go ahead and call the FBI hotline. Sad.
You asked , nice person. The rats are all in the coaching ranks
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Perhaps Slice wanted to "play ball" and Mullin said no?
I don't post very often but take this for what it's worth. When Slice left I asked my next door neighbor, who happens to be a division one head basketball coach. I asked him if he knew anything and all he said was "Mullin likes to do things above board".
Lol. Hillarious
A bit defensive? Poor Slice couldn't convince Mullin to go the shady route. Makes sense now...
Do you really want to go there?
Sure why not? Bring it wuss.
Since you asked. Would love to know how our star player is driving a jaguar, sporting a Rolex. I can go on, if ya want
As a Slice apologist and St. John's hater, why don't you go ahead and call the FBI hotline. Sad.
You asked , nice person. The rats are all in the coaching ranks
You're right I took the bait - I should know better. Never takes much for you to bash SJU though. Happy trolling.
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Perhaps Slice wanted to "play ball" and Mullin said no?
I don't post very often but take this for what it's worth. When Slice left I asked my next door neighbor, who happens to be a division one head basketball coach. I asked him if he knew anything and all he said was "Mullin likes to do things above board".
Lol. Hillarious
A bit defensive? Poor Slice couldn't convince Mullin to go the shady route. Makes sense now...
Do you really want to go there?
Sure why not? Bring it wuss.
Since you asked. Would love to know how our star player is driving a jaguar, sporting a Rolex. I can go on, if ya want
As a Slice apologist and St. John's hater, why don't you go ahead and call the FBI hotline. Sad.
You asked , nice person. The rats are all in the coaching ranks
You're right I took the bait - I should know better. Never takes much for you to bash SJU though. Happy trolling.
Glad you admitted it . Some recruit that didn't bite dropped St Johns name.
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Perhaps Slice wanted to "play ball" and Mullin said no?
I don't post very often but take this for what it's worth. When Slice left I asked my next door neighbor, who happens to be a division one head basketball coach. I asked him if he knew anything and all he said was "Mullin likes to do things above board".
Lol. Hillarious
A bit defensive? Poor Slice couldn't convince Mullin to go the shady route. Makes sense now...
Do you really want to go there?
Sure why not? Bring it wuss.
Since you asked. Would love to know how our star player is driving a jaguar, sporting a Rolex. I can go on, if ya want
As a Slice apologist and St. John's hater, why don't you go ahead and call the FBI hotline. Sad.
You asked , nice person. The rats are all in the coaching ranks
But Slice is clean?
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Perhaps Slice wanted to "play ball" and Mullin said no?
I don't post very often but take this for what it's worth. When Slice left I asked my next door neighbor, who happens to be a division one head basketball coach. I asked him if he knew anything and all he said was "Mullin likes to do things above board".
Lol. Hillarious
A bit defensive? Poor Slice couldn't convince Mullin to go the shady route. Makes sense now...
Do you really want to go there?
Sure why not? Bring it wuss.
Since you asked. Would love to know how our star player is driving a jaguar, sporting a Rolex. I can go on, if ya want
As a Slice apologist and St. John's hater, why don't you go ahead and call the FBI hotline. Sad.
You asked , nice person. The rats are all in the coaching ranks
But Slice is clean?
Think he is under investigation.?
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Perhaps Slice wanted to "play ball" and Mullin said no?
I don't post very often but take this for what it's worth. When Slice left I asked my next door neighbor, who happens to be a division one head basketball coach. I asked him if he knew anything and all he said was "Mullin likes to do things above board".
Lol. Hillarious
A bit defensive? Poor Slice couldn't convince Mullin to go the shady route. Makes sense now...
Do you really want to go there?
Sure why not? Bring it wuss.
Since you asked. Would love to know how our star player is driving a jaguar, sporting a Rolex. I can go on, if ya want
As a Slice apologist and St. John's hater, why don't you go ahead and call the FBI hotline. Sad.
You asked , nice person. The rats are all in the coaching ranks
But Slice is clean?
Think he is under investigation.?
Probably every coach is, especially one connected to 5 star players for as long as he was. But forget whether he is or isn't under investigation I'm asking you if you think he's clean
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Perhaps Slice wanted to "play ball" and Mullin said no?
I don't post very often but take this for what it's worth. When Slice left I asked my next door neighbor, who happens to be a division one head basketball coach. I asked him if he knew anything and all he said was "Mullin likes to do things above board".
Lol. Hillarious
A bit defensive? Poor Slice couldn't convince Mullin to go the shady route. Makes sense now...
Do you really want to go there?
Sure why not? Bring it wuss.
Since you asked. Would love to know how our star player is driving a jaguar, sporting a Rolex. I can go on, if ya want
As a Slice apologist and St. John's hater, why don't you go ahead and call the FBI hotline. Sad.
You asked , nice person. The rats are all in the coaching ranks
But Slice is clean?
Think he is under investigation.?
Probably every coach is, especially one connected to 5 star players for as long as he was. But forget whether he is or isn't under investigation I'm asking you if you think he's clean
I do t think any big D1 coach is clean.
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Maybe Louisville hires Norm to clean thing up :)
Hasn't the Kansas name been mentioned in this? If so, that's where Norm works.
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Perhaps Slice wanted to "play ball" and Mullin said no?
I don't post very often but take this for what it's worth. When Slice left I asked my next door neighbor, who happens to be a division one head basketball coach. I asked him if he knew anything and all he said was "Mullin likes to do things above board".
Lol. Hillarious
A bit defensive? Poor Slice couldn't convince Mullin to go the shady route. Makes sense now...
Do you really want to go there?
Sure why not? Bring it wuss.
Since you asked. Would love to know how our star player is driving a jaguar, sporting a Rolex. I can go on, if ya want
As a Slice apologist and St. John's hater, why don't you go ahead and call the FBI hotline. Sad.
You asked , nice person. The rats are all in the coaching ranks
But Slice is clean?
Think he is under investigation.?
Probably every coach is, especially one connected to 5 star players for as long as he was. But forget whether he is or isn't under investigation I'm asking you if you think he's clean
I do t think any big D1 coach is clean.
It's a good thing that SJU he been working so hard to try and be a mid major for the last 20 years!
Zing!!!!
Should the Big East send the ACC thank you or condolence flowers?
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20835496/louisville-coach-rick-pitino-find-way-trouble
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I mean remember we are the team that paid Abe Keita.
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@YahooForde
Y sources: Alabama basketball may be next to have a compliance issue. Stay tuned.
7:28 PM - 27 Sep 2017
Color me shocked fam
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@YahooForde
Y sources: Alabama basketball may be next to have a compliance issue. Stay tuned.
7:28 PM - 27 Sep 2017
Color me shocked fam
... but not the football program. nothing to see here, move along please.
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https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2017/09/27/fbi-investigation-ncaa-recruiting-rules-agents-benefits
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I mean remember we are the team that paid Abe Keita.
Im going to interject that the Keita payoff was a totally different animal. We took someone from Africa and gave him 200 or 400 per month so he would have some pocket money. This was when we just opened the dorms, so the players lost their stipend. In terms of that Louisville player, he took the highest offer to play for Pitino. 100k.
To some, that might not be a difference, but I think a distinction can be made.
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http://nypost.com/2017/09/27/rick-pitino-wanted-it-all-and-it-cost-him-everything/
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I mean remember we are the team that paid Abe Keita.
Im going to interject that the Keita payoff was a totally different animal. We took someone from Africa and gave him 200 or 400 per month so he would have some pocket money. This was when we just opened the dorms, so the players lost their stipend. In terms of that Louisville player, he took the highest offer to play for Pitino. 100k.
To some, that might not be a difference, but I think a distinction can be made.
Cheating is cheating. If these recruits were independently wealthy, bribes wouldn't work.
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I mean remember we are the team that paid Abe Keita.
Im going to interject that the Keita payoff was a totally different animal. We took someone from Africa and gave him 200 or 400 per month so he would have some pocket money. This was when we just opened the dorms, so the players lost their stipend. In terms of that Louisville player, he took the highest offer to play for Pitino. 100k.
To some, that might not be a difference, but I think a distinction can be made.
I know, the 2003 NIT is just still so real to me dammit.
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I mean remember we are the team that paid Abe Keita.
Im going to interject that the Keita payoff was a totally different animal. We took someone from Africa and gave him 200 or 400 per month so he would have some pocket money. This was when we just opened the dorms, so the players lost their stipend. In terms of that Louisville player, he took the highest offer to play for Pitino. 100k.
To some, that might not be a difference, but I think a distinction can be made.
C'mon let's not bs ourselves. How did lovin Lavin get Rysheed? Why didn't Nova recruit him?
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I mean remember we are the team that paid Abe Keita.
Im going to interject that the Keita payoff was a totally different animal. We took someone from Africa and gave him 200 or 400 per month so he would have some pocket money. This was when we just opened the dorms, so the players lost their stipend. In terms of that Louisville player, he took the highest offer to play for Pitino. 100k.
To some, that might not be a difference, but I think a distinction can be made.
C'mon let's not bs ourselves. How did lovin Lavin get Rysheed? Why didn't Nova recruit him?
Nova didn't recruit him because the kid was a gangster
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@YahooForde
Y sources: Alabama basketball may be next to have a compliance issue. Stay tuned.
7:28 PM - 27 Sep 2017
Color me shocked fam
Once the Feds dig further into the Adidas files, there's no chance that Scott Drew at Baylor or Ben Howland at Miss St. come out alive. Those programs have absolutely wreaked recently. This season was supposed to see a resurgence in the SEC, for years they couldn't recruit, and suddenly a school like Bama was landing the Colin Sexton's of the world, good to see swift justice.
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I mean remember we are the team that paid Abe Keita.
Im going to interject that the Keita payoff was a totally different animal. We took someone from Africa and gave him 200 or 400 per month so he would have some pocket money. This was when we just opened the dorms, so the players lost their stipend. In terms of that Louisville player, he took the highest offer to play for Pitino. 100k.
To some, that might not be a difference, but I think a distinction can be made.
C'mon let's not bs ourselves. How did lovin Lavin get Rysheed? Why didn't Nova recruit him?
Dude Temple and Fran Dunphy who is as clean as a box of Clorox was all over him. One of the big reasons he chose SJU over Temple was he wanted to get out of Philly...
Stop acting like kids who have issues after they leave suddenly proves the staff that recruited them should have known about what would happen after he left.
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I mean remember we are the team that paid Abe Keita.
Im going to interject that the Keita payoff was a totally different animal. We took someone from Africa and gave him 200 or 400 per month so he would have some pocket money. This was when we just opened the dorms, so the players lost their stipend. In terms of that Louisville player, he took the highest offer to play for Pitino. 100k.
To some, that might not be a difference, but I think a distinction can be made.
C'mon let's not bs ourselves. How did lovin Lavin get Rysheed? Why didn't Nova recruit him?
Dude Temple and Fran Dunphy who is as clean as a box of Clorox was all over him. One of the big reasons he chose SJU over Temple was he wanted to get out of Philly...
Stop acting like kids who have issues after they leave suddenly proves the staff that recruited them should have known about what would happen after he left.
I think Nova acquitted themselves quite nicely by not recruiting Rysheed.
Only Lavin was desperate enough to take a flyer on him. I had hoped the school admins would have woke after that, but then Zach Brown.
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I mean remember we are the team that paid Abe Keita.
Im going to interject that the Keita payoff was a totally different animal. We took someone from Africa and gave him 200 or 400 per month so he would have some pocket money. This was when we just opened the dorms, so the players lost their stipend. In terms of that Louisville player, he took the highest offer to play for Pitino. 100k.
To some, that might not be a difference, but I think a distinction can be made.
C'mon let's not bs ourselves. How did lovin Lavin get Rysheed? Why didn't Nova recruit him?
Dude Temple and Fran Dunphy who is as clean as a box of Clorox was all over him. One of the big reasons he chose SJU over Temple was he wanted to get out of Philly...
Stop acting like kids who have issues after they leave suddenly proves the staff that recruited them should have known about what would happen after he left.
My point is going over everyone's heads. I am not talkiing about what happened after he left, other than my snide remark about the slammer This thread is about corruption in recruiting.
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I mean remember we are the team that paid Abe Keita.
Im going to interject that the Keita payoff was a totally different animal. We took someone from Africa and gave him 200 or 400 per month so he would have some pocket money. This was when we just opened the dorms, so the players lost their stipend. In terms of that Louisville player, he took the highest offer to play for Pitino. 100k.
To some, that might not be a difference, but I think a distinction can be made.
C'mon let's not bs ourselves. How did lovin Lavin get Rysheed? Why didn't Nova recruit him?
Dude Temple and Fran Dunphy who is as clean as a box of Clorox was all over him. One of the big reasons he chose SJU over Temple was he wanted to get out of Philly...
Stop acting like kids who have issues after they leave suddenly proves the staff that recruited them should have known about what would happen after he left.
My point is going over everyone's heads. I am not talkiing about what happened after he left, other than my snide remark about the slammer This thread is about corruption in recruiting.
We all get your point, but your argument sort of doesnt make sense. Youre saying Nova didnt recruit him, yet he didnt go to Nova because Lavin or some booster paid him to go to St Johns.
He had red flags all over him, and lazy Lavin needed bodies, so....
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I mean remember we are the team that paid Abe Keita.
Im going to interject that the Keita payoff was a totally different animal. We took someone from Africa and gave him 200 or 400 per month so he would have some pocket money. This was when we just opened the dorms, so the players lost their stipend. In terms of that Louisville player, he took the highest offer to play for Pitino. 100k.
To some, that might not be a difference, but I think a distinction can be made.
C'mon let's not bs ourselves. How did lovin Lavin get Rysheed? Why didn't Nova recruit him?
Dude Temple and Fran Dunphy who is as clean as a box of Clorox was all over him. One of the big reasons he chose SJU over Temple was he wanted to get out of Philly...
Stop acting like kids who have issues after they leave suddenly proves the staff that recruited them should have known about what would happen after he left.
My point is going over everyone's heads. I am not talkiing about what happened after he left, other than my snide remark about the slammer This thread is about corruption in recruiting.
We all get your point, but your argument sort of doesnt make sense. Youre saying Nova didnt recruit him, yet he didnt go to Nova because Lavin or some booster paid him to go to St Johns.
He had red flags all over him, and lazy Lavin needed bodies, so....
What i remember about Jordan when we were recruiting him is that while in high school he had the additional responsibility of taking care of his younger siblings. He had no criminal record which is more than we can say for Brown. If Jordan was white he would have gotten a parking ticket.
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I mean remember we are the team that paid Abe Keita.
Im going to interject that the Keita payoff was a totally different animal. We took someone from Africa and gave him 200 or 400 per month so he would have some pocket money. This was when we just opened the dorms, so the players lost their stipend. In terms of that Louisville player, he took the highest offer to play for Pitino. 100k.
To some, that might not be a difference, but I think a distinction can be made.
C'mon let's not bs ourselves. How did lovin Lavin get Rysheed? Why didn't Nova recruit him?
Dude Temple and Fran Dunphy who is as clean as a box of Clorox was all over him. One of the big reasons he chose SJU over Temple was he wanted to get out of Philly...
Stop acting like kids who have issues after they leave suddenly proves the staff that recruited them should have known about what would happen after he left.
My point is going over everyone's heads. I am not talkiing about what happened after he left, other than my snide remark about the slammer This thread is about corruption in recruiting.
We all get your point, but your argument sort of doesnt make sense. Youre saying Nova didnt recruit him, yet he didnt go to Nova because Lavin or some booster paid him to go to St Johns.
He had red flags all over him, and lazy Lavin needed bodies, so....
What i remember about Jordan when we were recruiting him is that while in high school he had the additional responsibility of taking care of his younger siblings. He had no criminal record which is more than we can say for Brown. If Jordan was white he would have gotten a parking ticket.
Are you alluding to his attempted murder charges and if he was white they only would have given him a parking ticket? Are you a radical black man or a self hating white man?
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I mean remember we are the team that paid Abe Keita.
Im going to interject that the Keita payoff was a totally different animal. We took someone from Africa and gave him 200 or 400 per month so he would have some pocket money. This was when we just opened the dorms, so the players lost their stipend. In terms of that Louisville player, he took the highest offer to play for Pitino. 100k.
To some, that might not be a difference, but I think a distinction can be made.
C'mon let's not bs ourselves. How did lovin Lavin get Rysheed? Why didn't Nova recruit him?
Dude Temple and Fran Dunphy who is as clean as a box of Clorox was all over him. One of the big reasons he chose SJU over Temple was he wanted to get out of Philly...
Stop acting like kids who have issues after they leave suddenly proves the staff that recruited them should have known about what would happen after he left.
My point is going over everyone's heads. I am not talkiing about what happened after he left, other than my snide remark about the slammer This thread is about corruption in recruiting.
We all get your point, but your argument sort of doesnt make sense. Youre saying Nova didnt recruit him, yet he didnt go to Nova because Lavin or some booster paid him to go to St Johns.
He had red flags all over him, and lazy Lavin needed bodies, so....
What i remember about Jordan when we were recruiting him is that while in high school he had the additional responsibility of taking care of his younger siblings. He had no criminal record which is more than we can say for Brown. If Jordan was white he would have gotten a parking ticket.
Are you alluding to his attempted murder charges and if he was white they only would have given him a parking ticket? Are you a radical black man or a self hating white man?
He's a classic cuck.
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I mean remember we are the team that paid Abe Keita.
Im going to interject that the Keita payoff was a totally different animal. We took someone from Africa and gave him 200 or 400 per month so he would have some pocket money. This was when we just opened the dorms, so the players lost their stipend. In terms of that Louisville player, he took the highest offer to play for Pitino. 100k.
To some, that might not be a difference, but I think a distinction can be made.
C'mon let's not bs ourselves. How did lovin Lavin get Rysheed? Why didn't Nova recruit him?
Dude Temple and Fran Dunphy who is as clean as a box of Clorox was all over him. One of the big reasons he chose SJU over Temple was he wanted to get out of Philly...
Stop acting like kids who have issues after they leave suddenly proves the staff that recruited them should have known about what would happen after he left.
My point is going over everyone's heads. I am not talkiing about what happened after he left, other than my snide remark about the slammer This thread is about corruption in recruiting.
We all get your point, but your argument sort of doesnt make sense. Youre saying Nova didnt recruit him, yet he didnt go to Nova because Lavin or some booster paid him to go to St Johns.
He had red flags all over him, and lazy Lavin needed bodies, so....
Lavin may have slacked off, but the recruitment of Jordan didn't have anything to do with being lazy. Some of y'all are silly.
Speaking of lethargic.... Nevermind.
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I mean remember we are the team that paid Abe Keita.
Im going to interject that the Keita payoff was a totally different animal. We took someone from Africa and gave him 200 or 400 per month so he would have some pocket money. This was when we just opened the dorms, so the players lost their stipend. In terms of that Louisville player, he took the highest offer to play for Pitino. 100k.
To some, that might not be a difference, but I think a distinction can be made.
C'mon let's not bs ourselves. How did lovin Lavin get Rysheed? Why didn't Nova recruit him?
Dude Temple and Fran Dunphy who is as clean as a box of Clorox was all over him. One of the big reasons he chose SJU over Temple was he wanted to get out of Philly...
Stop acting like kids who have issues after they leave suddenly proves the staff that recruited them should have known about what would happen after he left.
My point is going over everyone's heads. I am not talkiing about what happened after he left, other than my snide remark about the slammer This thread is about corruption in recruiting.
We all get your point, but your argument sort of doesnt make sense. Youre saying Nova didnt recruit him, yet he didnt go to Nova because Lavin or some booster paid him to go to St Johns.
He had red flags all over him, and lazy Lavin needed bodies, so....
What i remember about Jordan when we were recruiting him is that while in high school he had the additional responsibility of taking care of his younger siblings. He had no criminal record which is more than we can say for Brown. If Jordan was white he would have gotten a parking ticket.
Are you alluding to his attempted murder charges and if he was white they only would have given him a parking ticket? Are you a radical black man or a self hating white man?
You're right, that's probably not what would have happened. He would have been found innocent.
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So wait...only now that there is an FBI investigation that caused Pitino to lose his job over we are going to throw him under the bus? College sports is a dirty business, with or without the arrests. When Mullin leaves, Pitino would be my first phone call. If you don't think rat face isn't doing the same thing your fooling yourselves. Some years ago they "changed" their strategy and began "recruiting" one and done players. Are you kidding me? So you think a kid is going to turn down a $100k from "other" programs just to play for rat face for one year? Wake up. They got caught, good for them and better for us. Pitino is a great coach and as long as the institution (which we won't) doesn't support those antics he would do excellent here.
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So wait...only now that there is an FBI investigation that caused Pitino to lose his job over we are going to throw him under the bus? College sports is a dirty business, with or without the arrests. When Mullin leaves, Pitino would be my first phone call. If you don't think rat face isn't doing the same thing your fooling yourselves. Some years ago they "changed" their strategy and began "recruiting" one and done players. Are you kidding me? So you think a kid is going to turn down a $100k from "other" programs just to play for rat face for one year? Wake up. They got caught, good for them and better for us. Pitino is a great coach and as long as the institution (which we won't) doesn't support those antics he would do excellent here.
Moderation is your friend
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Gonna be another interesting day in college basketball. Get your popcorn ready.
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Gonna be another interesting day in college basketball. Get your popcorn ready.
Kudos to the SDNY USA.
What timing! Hes sure making the start of practice interesting.
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So wait...only now that there is an FBI investigation that caused Pitino to lose his job over we are going to throw him under the bus? College sports is a dirty business, with or without the arrests. When Mullin leaves, Pitino would be my first phone call. If you don't think rat face isn't doing the same thing your fooling yourselves. Some years ago they "changed" their strategy and began "recruiting" one and done players. Are you kidding me? So you think a kid is going to turn down a $100k from "other" programs just to play for rat face for one year? Wake up. They got caught, good for them and better for us. Pitino is a great coach and as long as the institution (which we won't) doesn't support those antics he would do excellent here.
I doubt Coach K's assistants are involved in wiring cash to anyone. Not saying they aren't finding a different way to skirt the rules, but I'd bet money this investigation uncovers nothing negative on Duke.
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https://www.azdesertswarm.com/basketball/2017/9/27/16376992/arizona-wildcats-basketball-allegedly-offered-recruit-150000-fbi-documents-charges-book-Richardson
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Who's going down today?
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Who's going down today?
probably South Carolina
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https://www.azdesertswarm.com/recruiting/2017/9/26/16370328/nassir-little-tweets-deletes-reopened-basketball-recruiting-arizona-adidas-miami-visit-bribe-money
So Little tweeted (and then deleted) that he was reopening his recruitment. Sounds like Zona was a done deal. Shocker.
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https://www.azdesertswarm.com/recruiting/2017/9/26/16370328/nassir-little-tweets-deletes-reopened-basketball-recruiting-arizona-adidas-miami-visit-bribe-money
So Little tweeted (and then deleted) that he was reopening his recruitment. Sounds like Zona was a done deal. Shocker.
Get that passport ready Nas
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So wait...only now that there is an FBI investigation that caused Pitino to lose his job over we are going to throw him under the bus? College sports is a dirty business, with or without the arrests. When Mullin leaves, Pitino would be my first phone call. If you don't think rat face isn't doing the same thing your fooling yourselves. Some years ago they "changed" their strategy and began "recruiting" one and done players. Are you kidding me? So you think a kid is going to turn down a $100k from "other" programs just to play for rat face for one year? Wake up. They got caught, good for them and better for us. Pitino is a great coach and as long as the institution (which we won't) doesn't support those antics he would do excellent here.
I doubt Coach K's assistants are involved in wiring cash to anyone. Not saying they aren't finding a different way to skirt the rules, but I'd bet money this investigation uncovers nothing negative on Duke.
So because the assistants or Coach K may not be directly involved its not the same? Pitino probably wasn't directly involved either, most coaches like to be able to play dumb. Duke is landing players we know were being recruited by these assistant coaches who we now know for sure would pay for their services. Yet some players still ended up at puke? Why would a kid turn down money for his family to play one year at Duke? They wouldn't. It is what it is, If i was a school like St. John's, I would still hire Pitino. Other bigger programs wouldn't need to, but we do. Now if Pitino was directly involved that would be a different story.
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So wait...only now that there is an FBI investigation that caused Pitino to lose his job over we are going to throw him under the bus? College sports is a dirty business, with or without the arrests. When Mullin leaves, Pitino would be my first phone call. If you don't think rat face isn't doing the same thing your fooling yourselves. Some years ago they "changed" their strategy and began "recruiting" one and done players. Are you kidding me? So you think a kid is going to turn down a $100k from "other" programs just to play for rat face for one year? Wake up. They got caught, good for them and better for us. Pitino is a great coach and as long as the institution (which we won't) doesn't support those antics he would do excellent here.
I doubt Coach K's assistants are involved in wiring cash to anyone. Not saying they aren't finding a different way to skirt the rules, but I'd bet money this investigation uncovers nothing negative on Duke.
So because the assistants or Coach K may not be directly involved its not the same? Pitino probably wasn't directly involved either, most coaches like to be able to play dumb. Duke is landing players we know were being recruited by these assistant coaches who we now know for sure would pay for their services. Yet some players still ended up at puke? Why would a kid turn down money for his family to play one year at Duke? They wouldn't. It is what it is, If i was a school like St. John's, I would still hire Pitino. Other bigger programs wouldn't need to, but we do. Now if Pitino was directly involved that would be a different story.
PITINO WAS DIRECTLY INVOLVED. It's as shocking to me as you. He's Coach-2 in the complaint. Unreal.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20848092/louisville-cardinals-basketball-coach-rick-pitino-coach-2-federal-complaint-source
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So wait...only now that there is an FBI investigation that caused Pitino to lose his job over we are going to throw him under the bus? College sports is a dirty business, with or without the arrests. When Mullin leaves, Pitino would be my first phone call. If you don't think rat face isn't doing the same thing your fooling yourselves. Some years ago they "changed" their strategy and began "recruiting" one and done players. Are you kidding me? So you think a kid is going to turn down a $100k from "other" programs just to play for rat face for one year? Wake up. They got caught, good for them and better for us. Pitino is a great coach and as long as the institution (which we won't) doesn't support those antics he would do excellent here.
I doubt Coach K's assistants are involved in wiring cash to anyone. Not saying they aren't finding a different way to skirt the rules, but I'd bet money this investigation uncovers nothing negative on Duke.
So because the assistants or Coach K may not be directly involved its not the same? Pitino probably wasn't directly involved either, most coaches like to be able to play dumb. Duke is landing players we know were being recruited by these assistant coaches who we now know for sure would pay for their services. Yet some players still ended up at puke? Why would a kid turn down money for his family to play one year at Duke? They wouldn't. It is what it is, If i was a school like St. John's, I would still hire Pitino. Other bigger programs wouldn't need to, but we do. Now if Pitino was directly involved that would be a different story.
If you think a coach who can swim underwater for two miles and enter a recruit's apartment via the toilet is going to get caught paying players you're delusional.
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So wait...only now that there is an FBI investigation that caused Pitino to lose his job over we are going to throw him under the bus? College sports is a dirty business, with or without the arrests. When Mullin leaves, Pitino would be my first phone call. If you don't think rat face isn't doing the same thing your fooling yourselves. Some years ago they "changed" their strategy and began "recruiting" one and done players. Are you kidding me? So you think a kid is going to turn down a $100k from "other" programs just to play for rat face for one year? Wake up. They got caught, good for them and better for us. Pitino is a great coach and as long as the institution (which we won't) doesn't support those antics he would do excellent here.
I doubt Coach K's assistants are involved in wiring cash to anyone. Not saying they aren't finding a different way to skirt the rules, but I'd bet money this investigation uncovers nothing negative on Duke.
So because the assistants or Coach K may not be directly involved its not the same? Pitino probably wasn't directly involved either, most coaches like to be able to play dumb. Duke is landing players we know were being recruited by these assistant coaches who we now know for sure would pay for their services. Yet some players still ended up at puke? Why would a kid turn down money for his family to play one year at Duke? They wouldn't. It is what it is, If i was a school like St. John's, I would still hire Pitino. Other bigger programs wouldn't need to, but we do. Now if Pitino was directly involved that would be a different story.
And no, it's not the same if it's boosters alone and no involvement from anyone in the athletic department. I would think if Duke was cheating you would find players' relatives finding jobs in NC at private companies and receiving undisclosed salaries, or buying houses at significant discounts. It's a LOT harder to prove. But perhaps I'm wrong/being naive.
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I would think if Duke was cheating you would find players' relatives finding jobs in NC at private companies and receiving undisclosed salaries, or buying houses at significant discounts. It's a LOT harder to prove. But perhaps I'm wrong/being naive.
Hasn't that already happened? Boozer's father, Duhon's mother.
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I would think if Duke was cheating you would find players' relatives finding jobs in NC at private companies and receiving undisclosed salaries, or buying houses at significant discounts. It's a LOT harder to prove. But perhaps I'm wrong/being naive.
Hasn't that already happened? Boozer's father, Duhon's mother.
Is there a rule I'm unaware of that an alum of the school his or her son attends can't give him or her a job? How could anyone prove it was solely related to basketball? I don't know the rules by heart but I have to imagine it can't be proven to be in violation.
There's breaking rules and there's finding loopholes.
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I think we hear about a big east school shortly
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I would think if Duke was cheating you would find players' relatives finding jobs in NC at private companies and receiving undisclosed salaries, or buying houses at significant discounts. It's a LOT harder to prove. But perhaps I'm wrong/being naive.
Hasn't that already happened? Boozer's father, Duhon's mother.
Is there a rule I'm unaware of that an alum of the school his or her son attends can't give him or her a job? How could anyone prove it was solely related to basketball? I don't know the rules by heart but I have to imagine it can't be proven to be in violation.
There's breaking rules and there's finding loopholes.
See Reggie Bush USC college football.
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I think we hear about a big east school shortly
$HU?
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I think we hear about a big east school shortly
$HU?
I think so
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I would think if Duke was cheating you would find players' relatives finding jobs in NC at private companies and receiving undisclosed salaries, or buying houses at significant discounts. It's a LOT harder to prove. But perhaps I'm wrong/being naive.
Hasn't that already happened? Boozer's father, Duhon's mother.
Is there a rule I'm unaware of that an alum of the school his or her son attends can't give him or her a job? How could anyone prove it was solely related to basketball? I don't know the rules by heart but I have to imagine it can't be proven to be in violation.
There's breaking rules and there's finding loopholes.
I am asking a legitimate nonballbusting question. You said "if Duke was cheating you would find players' relatives finding jobs in NC at private companies." Didn't Boozer's father and Duhon's mother get jobs for which they were particularly qualified at Smith Glaxo and if they did then by your own criteria did(n't) they cheat?
I think Dook and UK are in unique situations and don't need to pay recruits directly and ratso (and JC) are too diabolical to get caught if they are. No doubt they push the boundaries of propriety, as does everyone else, even coaches who aren't felons.
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I think we hear about a big east school shortly
$HU?
I think so
Be still my heart.
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I would think if Duke was cheating you would find players' relatives finding jobs in NC at private companies and receiving undisclosed salaries, or buying houses at significant discounts. It's a LOT harder to prove. But perhaps I'm wrong/being naive.
Hasn't that already happened? Boozer's father, Duhon's mother.
Is there a rule I'm unaware of that an alum of the school his or her son attends can't give him or her a job? How could anyone prove it was solely related to basketball? I don't know the rules by heart but I have to imagine it can't be proven to be in violation.
There's breaking rules and there's finding loopholes.
I am asking a legitimate nonballbusting question. You said "if Duke was cheating you would find players' relatives finding jobs in NC at private companies." Didn't Boozer's father and Duhon's mother get jobs for which they were particularly qualified at Smith Glaxo and if they did then by your own criteria did(n't) they cheat?
I think Dook and UK are in unique situations and don't need to pay recruits directly and ratso (and JC) are too diabolical to get caught if they are. No doubt they push the boundaries of propriety, as does everyone else, even coaches who aren't felons.
Well, I guess it depends how out of line their salary is with their skillset and typical salaries for said jobs, right? But yes I was inconsistent.
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I think we hear about a big east school shortly
$HU?
I think so
Be still my heart.
Is that the same as Beat still my heart? ;) :)
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I think we hear about a big east school shortly
$HU?
Is SHU an Adidas school?
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I think we hear about a big east school shortly
$HU?
Is SHU an Adidas school?
UA
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As I recall, they only made the switch from Adidas to UA a couple of years ago...after they brought in Degado, Whitehead, Carrington, etc.
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So wait...only now that there is an FBI investigation that caused Pitino to lose his job over we are going to throw him under the bus? College sports is a dirty business, with or without the arrests. When Mullin leaves, Pitino would be my first phone call. If you don't think rat face isn't doing the same thing your fooling yourselves. Some years ago they "changed" their strategy and began "recruiting" one and done players. Are you kidding me? So you think a kid is going to turn down a $100k from "other" programs just to play for rat face for one year? Wake up. They got caught, good for them and better for us. Pitino is a great coach and as long as the institution (which we won't) doesn't support those antics he would do excellent here.
Some programs don't need to cheat. One and done players would seem less likely to take money. They only have to go from September until March without extra $, and can get a big advance from an agent or endorsement the minute the season ends.
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As I recall, they only made the switch from Adidas to UA a couple of years ago...after they brought in Degado, Whitehead, Carrington, etc.
. That is absolutely
Correct , that timeline
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http://nypost.com/2017/09/28/this-was-rick-pitinos-exact-role-in-college-hoops-scandal/
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I think we hear about a big east school shortly
$HU?
Is SHU an Adidas school?
This is going to spread way beyond Adidas and way beyond just basketball
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Wasn't there an article once that stated Obekpa's recruitment was one of the dirtiest at the time?
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I was just thinking, Daves been very quite since this broke.
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Wasn't there an article once that stated Obekpa's recruitment was one of the dirtiest at the time?
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/critical-coaches-which-players-recruitment-is-perceived-dirtiest-of-past-decade/
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Wasn't there an article once that stated Obekpa's recruitment was one of the dirtiest at the time?
That was just some jealous loser's attempt to slander Coach Lavs.
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So wait...only now that there is an FBI investigation that caused Pitino to lose his job over we are going to throw him under the bus? College sports is a dirty business, with or without the arrests. When Mullin leaves, Pitino would be my first phone call. If you don't think rat face isn't doing the same thing your fooling yourselves. Some years ago they "changed" their strategy and began "recruiting" one and done players. Are you kidding me? So you think a kid is going to turn down a $100k from "other" programs just to play for rat face for one year? Wake up. They got caught, good for them and better for us. Pitino is a great coach and as long as the institution (which we won't) doesn't support those antics he would do excellent here.
Some programs don't need to cheat. One and done players would seem less likely to take money. They only have to go from September until March without extra $, and can get a big advance from an agent or endorsement the minute the season ends.
The one and done players are the one's with the talent that big money schools and agents are competing for. They are the one's the handlers are trying to cash in on, not the 3 star prospect, although there may even be a market for them as well. While many may have the intentions of "only" having to go September until March, most have already gone 18 years without and will gladly take what is being offered especially when seemingly everyone is doing it.
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So wait...only now that there is an FBI investigation that caused Pitino to lose his job over we are going to throw him under the bus? College sports is a dirty business, with or without the arrests. When Mullin leaves, Pitino would be my first phone call. If you don't think rat face isn't doing the same thing your fooling yourselves. Some years ago they "changed" their strategy and began "recruiting" one and done players. Are you kidding me? So you think a kid is going to turn down a $100k from "other" programs just to play for rat face for one year? Wake up. They got caught, good for them and better for us. Pitino is a great coach and as long as the institution (which we won't) doesn't support those antics he would do excellent here.
Some programs don't need to cheat. One and done players would seem less likely to take money. They only have to go from September until March without extra $, and can get a big advance from an agent or endorsement the minute the season ends.
The one and done players are the one's with the talent that big money schools and agents are competing for. They are the one's the handlers are trying to cash in on, not the 3 star prospect, although there may even be a market for them as well. While many may have the intentions of "only" having to go September until March, most have already gone 18 years without and will gladly take what is being offered especially when seemingly everyone is doing it.
The one and dones have more to lose too. I'm not suggesting teams cheat for three star players, but there is a sweet spot around 25-75 in player rankings where you get top talent that is likely to play 2-4 years. I just don't see the risk being worth it for these kids and their family as well as the school. I'm sure it happens, but I'd be surprised if it was widespread.
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So wait...only now that there is an FBI investigation that caused Pitino to lose his job over we are going to throw him under the bus? College sports is a dirty business, with or without the arrests. When Mullin leaves, Pitino would be my first phone call. If you don't think rat face isn't doing the same thing your fooling yourselves. Some years ago they "changed" their strategy and began "recruiting" one and done players. Are you kidding me? So you think a kid is going to turn down a $100k from "other" programs just to play for rat face for one year? Wake up. They got caught, good for them and better for us. Pitino is a great coach and as long as the institution (which we won't) doesn't support those antics he would do excellent here.
Some programs don't need to cheat. One and done players would seem less likely to take money. They only have to go from September until March without extra $, and can get a big advance from an agent or endorsement the minute the season ends.
The one and done players are the one's with the talent that big money schools and agents are competing for. They are the one's the handlers are trying to cash in on, not the 3 star prospect, although there may even be a market for them as well. While many may have the intentions of "only" having to go September until March, most have already gone 18 years without and will gladly take what is being offered especially when seemingly everyone is doing it.
The one and dones have more to lose too. I'm not suggesting teams cheat for three star players, but there is a sweet spot around 25-75 in player rankings where you get top talent that is likely to play 2-4 years. I just don't see the risk being worth it for these kids and their family as well as the school. I'm sure it happens, but I'd be surprised if it was widespread.
Your being too rational in an irrational world. These kids have been pampered and given everything they want for so long they develop a sense of invincibility. They can't even begin to measure risk. The people that are suppose to be looking out for them are to busy trying to leverage opportunity for themselves. In any event, this levels the playing field for the time being, and allows relationships to dictate players choice opposed to the mighty dollar. We have a short window to develop a winning culture before business as usual.
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I was just thinking, Daves been very quite since this broke.
noticed that too
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http://nypost.com/2017/09/28/too-much-money-at-stake-for-corrupt-ncaa-to-ever-change/
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Wasn't there an article once that stated Obekpa's recruitment was one of the dirtiest at the time?
That was just some jealous loser's attempt to slander Coach Lavs.
Has a Lav program ever been put on probation because how he ran it?
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It was versus Cincinnati for Obekpa's services and I believe Book Richardson was on the staff at that time for Cincinnati.
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I doubt it any way, especially when we made Sampson, Garrett, and Pelle ineligible.
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It was versus Cincinnati for Obekpa's services and I believe Book Richardson was on the staff at that time for Cincinnati.
Book has been working for Sean Miller for 11 years, so think you are wrong on this one.
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It was versus Cincinnati for Obekpa's services and I believe Book Richardson was on the staff at that time for Cincinnati.
Book has been working for Sean Miller for 11 years, so think you are wrong on this one.
Correct, "Book" was with Miller at Xavier for a few years not Cincy
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It was versus Cincinnati for Obekpa's services and I believe Book Richardson was on the staff at that time for Cincinnati.
Book has been working for Sean Miller for 11 years, so think you are wrong on this one.
Correct, "Book" was with Miller at Xavier for a few years not Cincy
Not to mention he was already at Arizona by the time of the Obekpa recruitment.
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It was versus Cincinnati for Obekpa's services and I believe Book Richardson was on the staff at that time for Cincinnati.
No, Darren Savino was the recruiter at Cincy pursuing Obekpa
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How are Sean Miller and the other head coaches whose assistants were arrested still working? At the very least they should have been placed on administrative leave, no? Book was Miller's lead recruiter for a decade at two different schools.
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Good point. You really have to hand it to Preet Bahara, this investigation supposedly started two years ago on his watch. He prosecuted Sheldon Silver, Dean Skelos, Christopher St Lawrence, the Hasidics with the computer equipment, and this college basketball pay-for-play.
That guy worked.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/09/29/david-padgett-named-interim-louisville-head-coach/
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http://nypost.com/2017/09/29/louisville-turns-to-rick-pitino-product-as-interim-head-coach/
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How are Sean Miller and the other head coaches whose assistants were arrested still working? At the very least they should have been placed on administrative leave, no? Book was Miller's lead recruiter for a decade at two different schools.
It's amazing really. I know stuff like this moves kind of slow but with practices starting how can they hold on to these coaches? Even if the head coach claims he didn't know what his assistants were doing (which is ridiculous in and of itself) the head coach is responsible for what happens on his watch and are just admitting to being completely and almost willingly incompetent.
This year's NCAA tournament will be interesting. Realistically anywhere from 10-50 programs can/should be ineligible. If a team like Arizona is in the tournament this year it will just look like a joke
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/09/29/corruption-scandal-threatens-college-eligibility-recruits/
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Wasn't there an article once that stated Obekpa's recruitment was one of the dirtiest at the time?
That was just some jealous loser's attempt to slander Coach Lavs.
Has a Lav program ever been put on probation because how he ran it?
No, he gets fired for sucking long before that's an issue. I doubt he was aware of any improprieties that might have occurred while he was on staff at UCLA that got Harrick fired and he didn't ask Sam Gilbert to be best man at his wedding so no doubt he's clean. Anyway I wasn't saying anything about Coach Lav's ethics so I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to slam him gratuitously as a lazy bloated vacuous incompetent buffoon.
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Wasn't there an article once that stated Obekpa's recruitment was one of the dirtiest at the time?
That was just some jealous loser's attempt to slander Coach Lavs.
Has a Lav program ever been put on probation because how he ran it?
No, he gets fired for sucking long before that's an issue. I doubt he was aware of any improprieties that might have occurred while he was on staff at UCLA that got Harrick fired and he didn't ask Sam Gilbert to be best man at his wedding so no doubt he's clean. Anyway I wasn't saying anything about Coach Lav's ethics so I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to slam him gratuitously as a lazy bloated vacuous incompetent buffoon.
It's a good thing we got rid of him and brought in someone who knows what he's doing so we won't suck anymore.
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I'm sure lavs losses sleep at night knowing you don't care for him smh
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/09/30/rick-pitino-issues-statement-louisville-scandal/
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I was just thinking, Daves been very quite since this broke.
Just extremely busy with work. I don't really have much to say on the matter except it's unfortunate for the sport to have this black cloud over it. These people are a small percentage and the majority do a lot of good for the game and have a positive influence in these young men and women's lives.
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I was just thinking, Daves been very quite since this broke.
Just extremely busy with work. I don't really have much to say on the matter except it's unfortunate for the sport to have this black cloud over it. These people are a small percentage and the majority do a lot of good for the game and have a positive influence in these young men and women's lives.
Im going to guess that the more lucrative the basketball/football program is to the school, in terms of alumni giving and/or revenue, the higher the percentage of this type of activity occurring.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/09/30/rick-pitino-issues-statement-louisville-scandal/
What a POS excuse--his Third item is total BS. He did not take responsibility as the "leader"/head coach. He said he did not know (as Sgt. Schultz); but as HC he takes ownership for HIS decisions which had nothing to do with the bribes that he did not know about?
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/09/30/rick-pitino-issues-statement-louisville-scandal/
What a POS excuse--his Third item is total BS. He did not take responsibility as the "leader"/head coach. He said he did not know (as Sgt. Schultz); but as HC he takes ownership for HIS decisions which had nothing to do with the bribes that he did not know about?
About a year ago in a presser Pitino said he was told by an assistant that Louisville couldn't recruit a player because he was tied to a different sneaker company and he said who knew you couldn't recruit a kid because of sneaker companies. Meanwhile everybody knows how much influence sneaker companies have had on recruiting for like the last 30 years. It really smacked of bullshit then and it seems everything that comes out of Pitino's mouth is total BS.
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Wasn't there an article once that stated Obekpa's recruitment was one of the dirtiest at the time?
That was just some jealous loser's attempt to slander Coach Lavs.
Has a Lav program ever been put on probation because how he ran it?
No, he gets fired for sucking long before that's an issue. I doubt he was aware of any improprieties that might have occurred while he was on staff at UCLA that got Harrick fired and he didn't ask Sam Gilbert to be best man at his wedding so no doubt he's clean. Anyway I wasn't saying anything about Coach Lav's ethics so I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to slam him gratuitously as a lazy bloated vacuous incompetent buffoon.
- During Lavin's tenure as a head coach, he was one of only two coaches in the country to lead a team to five NCAA Regional Semifinals (Sweet 16's) in six seasons - the other coach being Duke's Mike Krzyzewski.
- Lavin’s record at UCLA in the first and second rounds of the NCAA tournament was 10-1. His winning percentage (90.9%) in the first two rounds is second only to Dean Smith in NCAA Tournament history.
- Lavin is the only college coach to have defeated the No. 1 team in the country in four consecutive collegiate seasons: Stanford in 2000 and 2001, Kansas in 2002 and Arizona in 2003.
- Lavin advanced to the NCAA Elite Eight in 1997
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Wasn't there an article once that stated Obekpa's recruitment was one of the dirtiest at the time?
That was just some jealous loser's attempt to slander Coach Lavs.
Has a Lav program ever been put on probation because how he ran it?
No, he gets fired for sucking long before that's an issue. I doubt he was aware of any improprieties that might have occurred while he was on staff at UCLA that got Harrick fired and he didn't ask Sam Gilbert to be best man at his wedding so no doubt he's clean. Anyway I wasn't saying anything about Coach Lav's ethics so I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to slam him gratuitously as a lazy bloated vacuous incompetent buffoon.
- During Lavin's tenure as a head coach, he was one of only two coaches in the country to lead a team to five NCAA Regional Semifinals (Sweet 16's) in six seasons - the other coach being Duke's Mike Krzyzewski.
- Lavin’s record at UCLA in the first and second rounds of the NCAA tournament was 10-1. His winning percentage (90.9%) in the first two rounds is second only to Dean Smith in NCAA Tournament history.
- Lavin is the only college coach to have defeated the No. 1 team in the country in four consecutive collegiate seasons: Stanford in 2000 and 2001, Kansas in 2002 and Arizona in 2003.
- Lavin advanced to the NCAA Elite Eight in 1997
And we ran him straight out of town after 3/5 20 win seasons.
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Wasn't there an article once that stated Obekpa's recruitment was one of the dirtiest at the time?
That was just some jealous loser's attempt to slander Coach Lavs.
Has a Lav program ever been put on probation because how he ran it?
No, he gets fired for sucking long before that's an issue. I doubt he was aware of any improprieties that might have occurred while he was on staff at UCLA that got Harrick fired and he didn't ask Sam Gilbert to be best man at his wedding so no doubt he's clean. Anyway I wasn't saying anything about Coach Lav's ethics so I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to slam him gratuitously as a lazy bloated vacuous incompetent buffoon.
- During Lavin's tenure as a head coach, he was one of only two coaches in the country to lead a team to five NCAA Regional Semifinals (Sweet 16's) in six seasons - the other coach being Duke's Mike Krzyzewski.
- Lavin’s record at UCLA in the first and second rounds of the NCAA tournament was 10-1. His winning percentage (90.9%) in the first two rounds is second only to Dean Smith in NCAA Tournament history.
- Lavin is the only college coach to have defeated the No. 1 team in the country in four consecutive collegiate seasons: Stanford in 2000 and 2001, Kansas in 2002 and Arizona in 2003.
- Lavin advanced to the NCAA Elite Eight in 1997
St.John's is a harder job because the overall quality of the student body and alumni. UCLA is a revered institution. We cannot be compared to a program with an advantage like that. Lavin was overrated when he came here, but he was still better than what we ended up which is massive carelessnesss.
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Wasn't there an article once that stated Obekpa's recruitment was one of the dirtiest at the time?
That was just some jealous loser's attempt to slander Coach Lavs.
Has a Lav program ever been put on probation because how he ran it?
No, he gets fired for sucking long before that's an issue. I doubt he was aware of any improprieties that might have occurred while he was on staff at UCLA that got Harrick fired and he didn't ask Sam Gilbert to be best man at his wedding so no doubt he's clean. Anyway I wasn't saying anything about Coach Lav's ethics so I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to slam him gratuitously as a lazy bloated vacuous incompetent buffoon.
- During Lavin's tenure as a head coach, he was one of only two coaches in the country to lead a team to five NCAA Regional Semifinals (Sweet 16's) in six seasons - the other coach being Duke's Mike Krzyzewski.
- Lavin’s record at UCLA in the first and second rounds of the NCAA tournament was 10-1. His winning percentage (90.9%) in the first two rounds is second only to Dean Smith in NCAA Tournament history.
- Lavin is the only college coach to have defeated the No. 1 team in the country in four consecutive collegiate seasons: Stanford in 2000 and 2001, Kansas in 2002 and Arizona in 2003.
- Lavin advanced to the NCAA Elite Eight in 1997
St.John's is a harder job because the overall quality of the student body and alumni. UCLA is a revered institution. We cannot be compared to a program with an advantage like that. Lavin was overrated when he came here, but he was still better than what we ended up which is massive carelessnesss.
Your only judging Mullin after 2 years , need more time to evaluate. Lavin came in like a lion. Great recruiting class , great first year on the court, but fizzled out. His recruiting efforts declined, going after questionable players and waiting until last minute. He also did not balance out classes . IMO his
coaching is probably average. The teams he had at UCLA, had Kentucky like recruits. He underachieved relative to the talent he had.
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Wasn't there an article once that stated Obekpa's recruitment was one of the dirtiest at the time?
That was just some jealous loser's attempt to slander Coach Lavs.
Has a Lav program ever been put on probation because how he ran it?
No, he gets fired for sucking long before that's an issue. I doubt he was aware of any improprieties that might have occurred while he was on staff at UCLA that got Harrick fired and he didn't ask Sam Gilbert to be best man at his wedding so no doubt he's clean. Anyway I wasn't saying anything about Coach Lav's ethics so I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to slam him gratuitously as a lazy bloated vacuous incompetent buffoon.
- During Lavin's tenure as a head coach, he was one of only two coaches in the country to lead a team to five NCAA Regional Semifinals (Sweet 16's) in six seasons - the other coach being Duke's Mike Krzyzewski.
- Lavin’s record at UCLA in the first and second rounds of the NCAA tournament was 10-1. His winning percentage (90.9%) in the first two rounds is second only to Dean Smith in NCAA Tournament history.
- Lavin is the only college coach to have defeated the No. 1 team in the country in four consecutive collegiate seasons: Stanford in 2000 and 2001, Kansas in 2002 and Arizona in 2003.
- Lavin advanced to the NCAA Elite Eight in 1997
And we ran him straight out of town after 3/5 20 win seasons.
Lavin ran himself out of town or should I say slogged.
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Wasn't there an article once that stated Obekpa's recruitment was one of the dirtiest at the time?
That was just some jealous loser's attempt to slander Coach Lavs.
Has a Lav program ever been put on probation because how he ran it?
No, he gets fired for sucking long before that's an issue. I doubt he was aware of any improprieties that might have occurred while he was on staff at UCLA that got Harrick fired and he didn't ask Sam Gilbert to be best man at his wedding so no doubt he's clean. Anyway I wasn't saying anything about Coach Lav's ethics so I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to slam him gratuitously as a lazy bloated vacuous incompetent buffoon.
- During Lavin's tenure as a head coach, he was one of only two coaches in the country to lead a team to five NCAA Regional Semifinals (Sweet 16's) in six seasons - the other coach being Duke's Mike Krzyzewski.
- Lavin’s record at UCLA in the first and second rounds of the NCAA tournament was 10-1. His winning percentage (90.9%) in the first two rounds is second only to Dean Smith in NCAA Tournament history.
- Lavin is the only college coach to have defeated the No. 1 team in the country in four consecutive collegiate seasons: Stanford in 2000 and 2001, Kansas in 2002 and Arizona in 2003.
- Lavin advanced to the NCAA Elite Eight in 1997
St.John's is a harder job because the overall quality of the student body and alumni. UCLA is a revered institution. We cannot be compared to a program with an advantage like that. Lavin was overrated when he came here, but he was still better than what we ended up which is massive carelessnesss.
Your only judging Mullin after 2 years , need more time to evaluate. Lavin came in like a lion. Great recruiting class , great first year on the court, but fizzled out. His recruiting efforts declined, going after questionable players and waiting until last minute. He also did not balance out classes . IMO his
coaching is probably average. The teams he had at UCLA, had Kentucky like recruits. He underachieved relative to the talent he had.
That's fair, but Mullin so far has had less success in every aspect of the game than Lavin did. We are all aware that he had better talent at UCLA, but was it really that good? I count one NBA all star. Gadzuric was a beast in high school, but in college, not so much.
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That's fair, but Mullin so far has had less success in every aspect of the game than Lavin did. We are all aware that he had better talent at UCLA, but was it really that good? I count one NBA all star. Gadzuric was a beast in high school, but in college, not so much.
13 first and second round picks is 10 years is pretty good talent.
PS Talk about wikipedia bias, coach Lav's article only mentions cancer eight times and Cap's death twice. To be fair those events should be much more prominent.
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That's fair, but Mullin so far has had less success in every aspect of the game than Lavin did. We are all aware that he had better talent at UCLA, but was it really that good? I count one NBA all star. Gadzuric was a beast in high school, but in college, not so much.
13 first and second round picks is 10 years is pretty good talent.
PS Talk about wikipedia bias, coach Lav's article only mentions cancer eight times and Cap's death twice. To be fair those events should be much more prominent.
I see. So Lavin got kids drafted that had no business being drafted.
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Wasn't there an article once that stated Obekpa's recruitment was one of the dirtiest at the time?
That was just some jealous loser's attempt to slander Coach Lavs.
Has a Lav program ever been put on probation because how he ran it?
No, he gets fired for sucking long before that's an issue. I doubt he was aware of any improprieties that might have occurred while he was on staff at UCLA that got Harrick fired and he didn't ask Sam Gilbert to be best man at his wedding so no doubt he's clean. Anyway I wasn't saying anything about Coach Lav's ethics so I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to slam him gratuitously as a lazy bloated vacuous incompetent buffoon.
- During Lavin's tenure as a head coach, he was one of only two coaches in the country to lead a team to five NCAA Regional Semifinals (Sweet 16's) in six seasons - the other coach being Duke's Mike Krzyzewski.
- Lavin’s record at UCLA in the first and second rounds of the NCAA tournament was 10-1. His winning percentage (90.9%) in the first two rounds is second only to Dean Smith in NCAA Tournament history.
- Lavin is the only college coach to have defeated the No. 1 team in the country in four consecutive collegiate seasons: Stanford in 2000 and 2001, Kansas in 2002 and Arizona in 2003.
- Lavin advanced to the NCAA Elite Eight in 1997
And we ran him straight out of town after 3/5 20 win seasons.
Lavin ran himself out of town or should I say slogged.
Ran himself out with a Tourney appearance for a program that hadn't seen any for a decade before he arrived.
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Wasn't there an article once that stated Obekpa's recruitment was one of the dirtiest at the time?
That was just some jealous loser's attempt to slander Coach Lavs.
Has a Lav program ever been put on probation because how he ran it?
No, he gets fired for sucking long before that's an issue. I doubt he was aware of any improprieties that might have occurred while he was on staff at UCLA that got Harrick fired and he didn't ask Sam Gilbert to be best man at his wedding so no doubt he's clean. Anyway I wasn't saying anything about Coach Lav's ethics so I appreciate you giving me the opportunity to slam him gratuitously as a lazy bloated vacuous incompetent buffoon.
- During Lavin's tenure as a head coach, he was one of only two coaches in the country to lead a team to five NCAA Regional Semifinals (Sweet 16's) in six seasons - the other coach being Duke's Mike Krzyzewski.
- Lavin’s record at UCLA in the first and second rounds of the NCAA tournament was 10-1. His winning percentage (90.9%) in the first two rounds is second only to Dean Smith in NCAA Tournament history.
- Lavin is the only college coach to have defeated the No. 1 team in the country in four consecutive collegiate seasons: Stanford in 2000 and 2001, Kansas in 2002 and Arizona in 2003.
- Lavin advanced to the NCAA Elite Eight in 1997
And we ran him straight out of town after 3/5 20 win seasons.
Lavin ran himself out of town or should I say slogged.
Ran himself out with a Tourney appearance for a program that hadn't seen any for a decade before he arrived.
When Lavin recruits Jordan, a kid with no criminal record, and things don't end well, it's Lavin's fault. We had to let him go because we needed to stop the cycle of kids like Jordan, Harrison and Obekpa. Mind you, 3 kids with no criminal record, and only one who eventually earned one.
When Mullin recruits Zach Brown, a kid with a criminal record, and that kid commits another crime before he even put on the STJ uniform, somehow Mullin isn't to blame. It's the kid's fault.
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Your like the riddler
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That's fair, but Mullin so far has had less success in every aspect of the game than Lavin did. We are all aware that he had better talent at UCLA, but was it really that good? I count one NBA all star. Gadzuric was a beast in high school, but in college, not so much.
13 first and second round picks is 10 years is pretty good talent.
PS Talk about wikipedia bias, coach Lav's article only mentions cancer eight times and Cap's death twice. To be fair those events should be much more prominent.
I see. So Lavin got kids drafted that had no business being drafted.
So your position is that Coachlavs was an awful lazy recruiter at UCLA, just as he was at SJ, recruiting as he did kids who had no business being drafted at a program that had been up to then an NBA factory.
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When Lavin recruits Jordan, a kid with no criminal record, and things don't end well, it's Lavin's fault. We had to let him go because we needed to stop the cycle of kids like Jordan, Harrison and Obekpa. Mind you, 3 kids with no criminal record, and only one who eventually earned one.
Please cite a source for your belief that Lavin was fired because he recruited the third leading scorer in SJ history. That is, who said when that Lavin must go because SJ's needs to recruit fewer players like D'angelo Harrison.
Please explain your belief that Harrison and Jordan are similarly situated moral actors.
Please explain how Jordan committing a crime long after Lavin's firing was used as a rationale for firing Lavin. Are those drawings St Jean does on the bench plans for a time machine?
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That's fair, but Mullin so far has had less success in every aspect of the game than Lavin did. We are all aware that he had better talent at UCLA, but was it really that good? I count one NBA all star. Gadzuric was a beast in high school, but in college, not so much.
13 first and second round picks is 10 years is pretty good talent.
PS Talk about wikipedia bias, coach Lav's article only mentions cancer eight times and Cap's death twice. To be fair those events should be much more prominent.
I see. So Lavin got kids drafted that had no business being drafted.
So your position is that Coachlavs was an awful lazy recruiter at UCLA, just as he was at SJ, recruiting as he did kids who had no business being drafted at a program that had been up to then an NBA factory.
Nice try, but you clearly lost this one. Lavin got these kids drafted. No different than Boeheim, who routinely put kids in the league, even if just for a cup of coffee. And just like Mullin got his recruits drafted, should that ever actually happen one day.
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/10/02/five-questions-facing-arizona-commit-jahvon-quinerly-wake-fbi-investigation/
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That's fair, but Mullin so far has had less success in every aspect of the game than Lavin did. We are all aware that he had better talent at UCLA, but was it really that good? I count one NBA all star. Gadzuric was a beast in high school, but in college, not so much.
13 first and second round picks is 10 years is pretty good talent.
PS Talk about wikipedia bias, coach Lav's article only mentions cancer eight times and Cap's death twice. To be fair those events should be much more prominent.
I see. So Lavin got kids drafted that had no business being drafted.
So your position is that Coachlavs was an awful lazy recruiter at UCLA, just as he was at SJ, recruiting as he did kids who had no business being drafted at a program that had been up to then an NBA factory.
Nice try, but you clearly lost this one. Lavin got these kids drafted.
Yes, you certainly won the internets today. Congratulations. After you're done celebrating, can you explain why Lavin's players at UCLA "had no business being drafted?" Jason Kapono was all PAC 10 four years in a row. Toby Bailey was all PAC 10 three years in a row. Charles O'bannon was all PAC 10 first team for two years in a row. Can you explain why they "had no business being drafted?" Are these players who were all first team PAC 10 players for multiple years examples of the sort of player that cause you to wonder if they were "really that good?"
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That's fair, but Mullin so far has had less success in every aspect of the game than Lavin did. We are all aware that he had better talent at UCLA, but was it really that good? I count one NBA all star. Gadzuric was a beast in high school, but in college, not so much.
13 first and second round picks is 10 years is pretty good talent.
PS Talk about wikipedia bias, coach Lav's article only mentions cancer eight times and Cap's death twice. To be fair those events should be much more prominent.
I see. So Lavin got kids drafted that had no business being drafted.
So your position is that Coachlavs was an awful lazy recruiter at UCLA, just as he was at SJ, recruiting as he did kids who had no business being drafted at a program that had been up to then an NBA factory.
Nice try, but you clearly lost this one. Lavin got these kids drafted.
Yes, you certainly won the internets today. Congratulations. After you're done celebrating, can you explain why Lavin's players at UCLA "had no business being drafted?" Jason Kapono was all PAC 10 four years in a row. Toby Bailey was all PAC 10 three years in a row. Charles O'bannon was all PAC 10 first team for two years in a row. Can you explain why they "had no business being drafted?" Are these players who were all first team PAC 10 players for multiple years examples of the sort of player that cause you to wonder if they were "really that good?"
Because they didn't have an NBA game, yet after playing for Lavin, Kapono was an NBA draft pick, and even made some money, which is kinda the point for the player is it not?
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That's fair, but Mullin so far has had less success in every aspect of the game than Lavin did. We are all aware that he had better talent at UCLA, but was it really that good? I count one NBA all star. Gadzuric was a beast in high school, but in college, not so much.
13 first and second round picks is 10 years is pretty good talent.
PS Talk about wikipedia bias, coach Lav's article only mentions cancer eight times and Cap's death twice. To be fair those events should be much more prominent.
I see. So Lavin got kids drafted that had no business being drafted.
So your position is that Coachlavs was an awful lazy recruiter at UCLA, just as he was at SJ, recruiting as he did kids who had no business being drafted at a program that had been up to then an NBA factory.
Nice try, but you clearly lost this one. Lavin got these kids drafted.
Yes, you certainly won the internets today. Congratulations. After you're done celebrating, can you explain why Lavin's players at UCLA "had no business being drafted?" Jason Kapono was all PAC 10 four years in a row. Toby Bailey was all PAC 10 three years in a row. Charles O'bannon was all PAC 10 first team for two years in a row. Can you explain why they "had no business being drafted?" Are these players who were all first team PAC 10 players for multiple years examples of the sort of player that cause you to wonder if they were "really that good?"
Because they didn't have an NBA game, yet after playing for Lavin, Kapono was an NBA draft pick, and even made some money, which is kinda the point for the player is it not?
Was his leading the NBA in three point percentage two years in a row what indicated to you that Kapono didn't have an NBA game? How did he last in the league for ten years if he didn't have an NBA game? If he didn't have an NBA game why did the 76ers and Raptors pay him 6 million dollars a year to play in the NBA?
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Someone keeps calling Francessa a s saying St Johns should hire Pitino
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Someone keeps calling Francessa a s saying St Johns should hire Pitino
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Someone keeps calling Francessa a s saying St Johns should hire Pitino
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Scheppy
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Someone keeps calling Francessa a s saying St Johns should hire Pitino
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Scheppy
Same guy?
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Dennis Dodd 4h4 hours ago
Filed to CBS Sports: One of the coaches impacted the most in the FBI investigation sits in a studio and doesn't coach basketball.
Uhhh......
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Dennis Dodd 4h4 hours ago
Filed to CBS Sports: One of the coaches impacted the most in the FBI investigation sits in a studio and doesn't coach basketball.
Uhhh......
LAME. This was just a plug for his article on Chip Kelly he posted shortly after that tweet. Really lame.
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Dennis Dodd 4h4 hours ago
Filed to CBS Sports: One of the coaches impacted the most in the FBI investigation sits in a studio and doesn't coach basketball.
Uhhh......
LAME. This was just a plug for his article on Chip Kelly he posted shortly after that tweet. Really lame.
It appears you are right. What a shitty move by Dodd
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/10/10/adidas-executive-three-college-basketball-coaches-released-100000-bonds-college-basketball-bribery-case-face-nov-9-preliminary-hearing/
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http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-womens-basketball/hc-jacobs-column-aac-jake-1017-20171016-column.html
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http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-womens-basketball/hc-jacobs-column-aac-jake-1017-20171016-column.html
"Auriemma said he recently talked to a men's coach who recounted that he had been encouraged to recruit a player who committed to another school. The player told the coach, yes, he was interested, but was told by his AAU coach to go to the other school.
Where did that player ending up going? To where his AAU coach told him to go."
Sid Wilson.
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Well if we hired Pitino I have no doubt that he would turn us into a contender. However I also have no doubt that this program would be tarnished by the time he left.
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http://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-womens-basketball/hc-jacobs-column-aac-jake-1017-20171016-column.html
"Auriemma said he recently talked to a men's coach who recounted that he had been encouraged to recruit a player who committed to another school. The player told the coach, yes, he was interested, but was told by his AAU coach to go to the other school.
Where did that player ending up going? To where his AAU coach told him to go."
Sid Wilson.
Who is Sid's AAU coach. I like him.
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Quinerly just decommitted from Arizona. I'm guessing it's about to hit the fan over there
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/10/26/rick-pitino-says-louisville-outsiders-killed-dreams-killed-one-top-recruiting-classes-history/
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http://www.zagsblog.com/2017/10/26/rick-pitino-says-louisville-outsiders-killed-dreams-killed-one-top-recruiting-classes-history/
I guess the hookers from a few years ago were insiders since they were from Louisville--What a hypocrite he is. He should just shut up and fad away on his millions.
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Individuals involved in the college basketball fraud and corruption case will be formally indicted next week. The men expected to be indicted are as follows:
Auburn Tigers assistant coach Chuck Person
Arizona Wildcats assistant coach Emanuel “Book” Richardson
Oklahoma State Cowboys assistant coach Lamont Evans
USC Trojans assistant coach Tony Bland
Adidas executive James Gatto
Adidas executive Merl Code
Former NBA agent Christian Dawkins
Financial adviser Munish Sood
Florida-based AAU coach Jonathan Brad Augustine
Former NBA referee Rashan Michel
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Individuals involved in the college basketball fraud and corruption case will be formally indicted next week. The men expected to be indicted are as follows:
Auburn Tigers assistant coach Chuck Person
Arizona Wildcats assistant coach Emanuel “Book” Richardson
Oklahoma State Cowboys assistant coach Lamont Evans
USC Trojans assistant coach Tony Bland
Adidas executive James Gatto
Adidas executive Merl Code
Former NBA agent Christian Dawkins
Financial adviser Munish Sood
Florida-based AAU coach Jonathan Brad Augustine
Former NBA referee Rashan Michel
Thank goodness no head coaches are dirty.
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I feel bad for Tony Bland known him from my cousin since I was 15.
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I feel bad for Tony Bland known him from my cousin since I was 15.
I feel bad for Ted Bundy. I don't know him, but I feel bad for him. Not for all the lives he's ruined, but because of our personal connection.
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Individuals involved in the college basketball fraud and corruption case will be formally indicted next week. The men expected to be indicted are as follows:
Auburn Tigers assistant coach Chuck Person
Arizona Wildcats assistant coach Emanuel “Book” Richardson
Oklahoma State Cowboys assistant coach Lamont Evans
USC Trojans assistant coach Tony Bland
Adidas executive James Gatto
Adidas executive Merl Code
Former NBA agent Christian Dawkins
Financial adviser Munish Sood
Florida-based AAU coach Jonathan Brad Augustine
Former NBA referee Rashan Michel
Thank goodness no head coaches are dirty.
Who knows what an indictment will do to loyalty. Prosecutors will go after small fish to get them to turn on the big ones. Looking at hard time can loosen lips.
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Individuals involved in the college basketball fraud and corruption case will be formally indicted next week. The men expected to be indicted are as follows:
Auburn Tigers assistant coach Chuck Person
Arizona Wildcats assistant coach Emanuel “Book” Richardson
Oklahoma State Cowboys assistant coach Lamont Evans
USC Trojans assistant coach Tony Bland
Adidas executive James Gatto
Adidas executive Merl Code
Former NBA agent Christian Dawkins
Financial adviser Munish Sood
Florida-based AAU coach Jonathan Brad Augustine
Former NBA referee Rashan Michel
Thank goodness no head coaches are dirty.
I know. It's a cruel joke.
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Per Mark Schlabach
Auburn men’s basketball coach Bruce Pearl is refusing to cooperate in the school’s internal investigation into his program, and university officials have advised him that his job is in jeopardy if he doesn’t, sources told ESPN on Wednesday.
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Per Mark Schlabach
Auburn men’s basketball coach Bruce Pearl is refusing to cooperate in the school’s internal investigation into his program, and university officials have advised him that his job is in jeopardy if he doesn’t, sources told ESPN on Wednesday.
Bruce Pearl? No? Absolutely shocked! School is greasy grimy and at fault for hiring this beyond shady character.
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I feel bad for Tony Bland known him from my cousin since I was 15.
I feel bad for Ted Bundy. I don't know him, but I feel bad for him. Not for all the lives he's ruined, but because of our personal connection.
Foady u are only a tough guy (super villain) on the internet. I assume you are a big pussy in real life.
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1988-89:
Pearl/Thomas incident[edit]
During the 1988–89 basketball season, Pearl, then an assistant coach at Iowa, was at the center of a recruiting scandal involving Illinois. Both Illinois and Iowa were recruiting Deon Thomas, a top high school player from Chicago. Pearl lost this recruiting battle when Thomas committed to Illinois. Thereafter, Pearl called the high school student and recorded a phone conversation with Thomas, which may have been illegal depending on where Pearl originated the call. (Illinois requires prior consent of all participants to monitor or record a phone conversation according to Ill. Rev. Stat. Ch. 38, Sec. 14–2; however, Iowa, where Pearl was coaching at the time, only requires one party's consent to record a phone conversation.) During the conversation, Pearl asked Thomas if he had been offered an SUV and cash by Illinois assistant coach Jimmy Collins, and Thomas seemed to indicate that he had. Pearl then turned over copies of the tapes to the NCAA, accompanied by a memo describing the events. During the subsequent NCAA investigation, Thomas denied the allegations and said the story was false, that he was agreeing with Pearl only to try to get rid of him. Thomas later passed a polygraph test in which he denied Pearl's accusation of Illinois's offering cash and a car. The NCAA did not find Illinois guilty of any wrongdoing relating to Thomas's recruitment, finding that the purported evidence provided was not "credible, persuasive and of a kind on which reasonably prudent persons rely in the conduct of serious affairs."[3] However, since the investigation uncovered other violations, including Illinois's third major violation in six years, the NCAA cited Illinois with a "lack of institutional control" charge and implemented several recruiting restrictions and a one-year post-season ban.
When Pearl and Collins were both head coaches for four years in the Horizon League, the two men never engaged in the traditional postgame handshake, reportedly due to lingering feelings over the incident. When Thomas was asked about forgiving Pearl in a 2005 interview, he was quoted as saying, "It's hard to forgive a snake."[4] Thomas went on to become the University of Illinois's all-time leading scorer.
*Subsequent 15 year ban amongst major D1 coaches and AD's schools followed, which kept him away from major programs.*
2008:
NCAA investigation[edit]
In the summer of 2008, Pearl invited high school junior Aaron Craft and members of his family to a cookout at his Knoxville home while Craft was on an unofficial visit to Tennessee. At the cookout, Pearl said that Craft wasn't allowed to be there under NCAA rules, but encouraged all those in attendance not to tell anyone about it. When the NCAA began an investigation of the affair, Pearl not only lied about the cookout, but also told Craft's father to lie as well.[9]
On September 10, 2010, Pearl acknowledged the violations in the Craft affair, and also admitted lying about it to the NCAA. As a result, Tennessee imposed sanctions on Pearl and his entire staff including $1.5 million in salary reduction over the coming five years and a delayed retention bonus. His off-campus recruiting was also restricted completely from September 4, 2010 to September 23, 2011.[10] On November 20, 2010, the SEC ordered Pearl to sit out Tennessee's first eight SEC games.[11]
After finding out about additional NCAA violations, as well as a violation of the school's substance abuse policy by a player, Tennessee fired Pearl on March 21, 2011—three days after the Vols' blowout loss to Michigan.[12][13][14] On August 23, 2011, Pearl was given a three-year show-cause penalty for lying to the NCAA, effective until August 23, 2014. This meant that the sanctions imposed on Pearl would remain in force if he was hired by an NCAA member school within that period. Specifically, he was prohibited from engaging in any "recruiting activities", which meant he could not contact recruits, although he could evaluate talent during that period. If a school chose to hire him and challenged the NCAA restrictions, it had to appear before the NCAA Committee on Infractions and "show cause" for why the sanctions imposed on Pearl should not follow him to that school.[9] In imposing the penalty, the NCAA said that Pearl's lies turned what would have been a minor case into a major one.[15] His assistant coaches were also given one-year show-cause orders, in effect until August 23, 2012.
2017-18: ?
The question is, when will this guy ever be permanently banned from the NCAA?