6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: QuanMan on November 06, 2017, 12:09:54 PM
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Only 7 months removed from their first NCAA berth in 21 years, New Orleans is the reigning Southland champ who bring a physical, blue collar mentality to the floor. Last year they liked to work inside out through their bigs, many of whom have graduated, including leading scorer Erik Thomas.
http://www.nola.com/uno/index.ssf/2017/03/blue-collar_attitude_propelled.html
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And I'm sure they will be super-pumped to play against a BE opponent. Already a trap game.
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And I'm sure they will be super-pumped to play against a BE opponent. Already a trap game.
It’s our first game of th year. Trap game? No way
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I do not see an Erik Thomas listed on the Roster on there team site.
http://www.unoprivateers.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball
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And I'm sure they will be super-pumped to play against a BE opponent. Already a trap game.
It’s our first game of th year. Trap game? No way
Lol and coming off a loss. JayJay doesn't understand what a trap game is.
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I do not see an Erik Thomas listed on the Roster on there team site.
http://www.unoprivateers.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball
They had three big time scorers last year, of which Thomas was one. All three of them were lost to graduation this off season (Thomas was a JC transfer, that's why he only played two years).
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I do not see an Erik Thomas listed on the Roster on there team site.
http://www.unoprivateers.com/roster.aspx?path=mbball
They had three big time scorers last year, of which Thomas was one. All three of them were lost to graduation this off season (Thomas was a JC transfer, that's why he only played two years).
Thanks for catching that, it wasn't noticeable on his ESPN stat sheet.
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And I'm sure they will be super-pumped to play against a BE opponent. Already a trap game.
It’s our first game of th year. Trap game? No way
Lol and coming off a loss. JayJay doesn't understand what a trap game is.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trap%20game
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JayJay doesn't understand what a trap game is.
Is that one where Zach Brown starts?
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And I'm sure they will be super-pumped to play against a BE opponent. Already a trap game.
It’s our first game of th year. Trap game? No way
Lol and coming off a loss. JayJay doesn't understand what a trap game is.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=trap%20game
Generally a trap game would be if they were overlooking the team and looking to the next game. There first official game after an exhibition loss, I doubt they look past this game.
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JayJay doesn't understand what a trap game is.
Is that one where Zach Brown starts?
I think that is a tran game.
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http://dalydoseofhoops.blogspot.com/2017/11/overall-improvement-particularly-on.html
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I'm out at a birthday gathering, and can't fund our game on the Fox Sports Go app. If anyone has the link, can you post it? Thanks!
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First time seeing Simon....looks explosive
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Can anyone tell me what channel it's on via Verizon Fios?
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Can anyone tell me what channel it's on via Verizon Fios?
Can anyone tell me what channel it's on via Verizon Fios?
I found it on 300 but didn't see HD
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Can anyone tell me what channel it's on via Verizon Fios?
Can anyone tell me what channel it's on via Verizon Fios?
I found it on 300 but didn't see HD
Thanks.
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Wtf is Ahmed doing
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Wtf is Ahmed doing
Doing what athletic guys who don't get coached.typically do
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We're winning but disappointing play so far.
Not seeing anything tourney worthy yet.
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We're winning but disappointing play so far.
Not seeing anything tourney worthy yet.
[/quotWe're winning but disappointing play so far.
Not seeing anything tourney worthy yet.
Disappointing is a stretch. We have lots of guys playing well. It’s our first game. Everybody on his team can score. We continue to tighten our reboinding and defense and we will be hard to stop despite a bit thin roster.
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I'm disappointed in what appears to be trying to play too flashy when practically tied at one point. (Ie Ponds trying a failed layup/floater from FT line after we secured a turnover or block, or sloppy passes
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We're up by 14, offense is efficient, Simon and Clarke are both the real deal, and Lovett looks a lot more under control this year. We're playing against a bad but not horrible team. I'm not sure why you'd be disappointed.
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We're winning but disappointing play so far.
Not seeing anything tourney worthy yet.
I know its early and there will be many other worthy contenders, but I'd like to nominate this for post of the year.
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Always good to start a year never in doubt in 2h good win guys!!
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Out-rebounded 42-26 by a small team five days after getting beatup on the glass at Rutgers is a bad sign.
Lovett and Ponds shooting 19 treys isn't sustainable.
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At least we tried a little zone tonight
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If shot selection does not improve...we'll win some games were supposed to lose but lose games were supposed to win and be NIT bound at best. We need a low post scoring option!!
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A win is still much better than a loss. Like we expected, there were some good signs and some scary ones. Guard play was very good. Frontcourt simply isn’t interested in playing hard. I expect
Owens and Clarke to improve defensively as we get into the season.
However, Yakwe and Alibegovic are lost. Alibegovic doesn’t care that we need him inside, so he still camps out at the 3 point line. He is probably the worst 4 year player we’ve ever had. He’s got no head for the game. Yakwe still doesn’t know what he’s doing out there. It’s baffling.
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Not seeing anything tourney worthy yet.
That's it....close up the shop.
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A win is still much better than a loss. Like we expected, there were some good signs and some scary ones. Guard play was very good. Frontcourt simply isn’t interested in playing hard. I expect
Owens and Clarke to improve defensively as we get into the season.
However, Yakwe and Alibegovic are lost. Alibegovic doesn’t care that we need him inside, so he still camps out at the 3 point line. He is probably the worst 4 year player we’ve ever had. He’s got no head for the game. Yakwe still doesn’t know what he’s doing out there. It’s baffling.
I didn't see the game , but saw the stats. Amar took 2 shots that were 3s , missed them both. Zero rebounds. Clark scored a lot, but needs more rebounds and Yakwe seemed non existent. Off shooting day by Ponds but a lot of rebounds and assists.
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A win is still much better than a loss. Like we expected, there were some good signs and some scary ones. Guard play was very good. Frontcourt simply isn’t interested in playing hard. I expect
Owens and Clarke to improve defensively as we get into the season.
However, Yakwe and Alibegovic are lost. Alibegovic doesn’t care that we need him inside, so he still camps out at the 3 point line. He is probably the worst 4 year player we’ve ever had. He’s got no head for the game. Yakwe still doesn’t know what he’s doing out there. It’s baffling.
I didn't see the game , but saw the stats. Amar took 2 shots that were 3s , missed them both. Zero rebounds. Clark scored a lot, but needs more rebounds and Yakwe seemed non existent. Off shooting day by Ponds but a lot of rebounds and assists.
Ponds isn’t going to be a problem. He was still good but he didn’t score a lot. It’s still just one game. Maybe the staff can get through to Yakwe. They don’t really have a choice since they made this mess.
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Simon as expected can fly & in tandem with Ponds & LoVett will potentially provide a lot of open court, easy bucket opportunities. All to naught w/o solid rebounding obviously. Hopefully that moves in right direction.
I expect them to be tested by Nebraska next week.
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Post game quotes
http://www.redstormsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/111017aab.html
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Simon as expected can fly & in tandem with Ponds & LoVett will potentially provide a lot of open court, easy bucket opportunities. All to naught w/o solid rebounding obviously. Hopefully that moves in right direction.
I expect them to be tested by Nebraska next week.
A win is still much better than a loss. Like we expected, there were some good signs and some scary ones. Guard play was very good. Frontcourt simply isn’t interested in playing hard. I expect
Owens and Clarke to improve defensively as we get into the season.
However, Yakwe and Alibegovic are lost. Alibegovic doesn’t care that we need him inside, so he still camps out at the 3 point line. He is probably the worst 4 year player we’ve ever had. He’s got no head for the game. Yakwe still doesn’t know what he’s doing out there. It’s baffling.
I didn't see the game , but saw the stats. Amar took 2 shots that were 3s , missed them both. Zero rebounds. Clark scored a lot, but needs more rebounds and Yakwe seemed non existent. Off shooting day by Ponds but a lot of rebounds and assists.
Ponds isn’t going to be a problem. He was still good but he didn’t score a lot. It’s still just one game. Maybe the staff can get through to Yakwe. They don’t really have a choice since they made this mess.
Hopefully they can. But based on last year and Yakwes performance this year so far, it’s hard to be optimistic. Regrettably,although Amar is our biggest player , he is showing little value as a post player. We desperately needed another big and you are correct the staff failed in that department.
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Ponds instincts are unreal. He is at every rebound before the ball is.
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Happy we got the win.
But the defense and rebounding has not improved, unfortunately. That puts a cap on our potential regardless of how well our guards play.
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I expect them to be tested by Nebraska next week.
Obviously Nebraska will be a far tougher opponent than New Orleans or CCSU, but if we want to even sniff the bubble this year we should handle them at home
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It's the first game of the year R-E-L-A-X.
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It's the first game of the year R-E-L-A-X.
While New Orleans with far less talent was playing in what, their 14th game?
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http://dalydoseofhoops.blogspot.com/2017/11/lovett-leads-four-in-double-figures-as.html
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I expect them to be tested by Nebraska next week.
I expect them to be tested by Central Connecticut.
- Team looked more alert defensively than last year.
- Heretofore unseen flair and panache on display at times.
- Decent crowd of 4k+.
- Dance team killed.
- Complimentary "red zone" flying saucer ice cream sandwich was nice.
- MC called out the bench in the presser for providing little.
It was good to be back.
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http://nypost.com/2017/11/10/st-johns-rolls-past-new-orleans-to-win-opener/
https://www.newsday.com/sports/college/st-johns/st-john-s-new-orleans-1.14914149
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Just got back from Cuba and didn't get to catch all of the game but its good to get the first W.
It was good to see Simon and Clark contribute early and do it without dominating the ball or taking a lot of shots.
Lovett and Ponds look stronger and more mature.
I love that Bash's role has been reduced but think his output can be the same.
The question mark will be the front court but I'm hoping small ball wins.
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Just got back from Cuba and didn't get to catch all of the game but its good to get the first W.
It was good to see Simon and Clark contribute early and do it without dominating the ball or taking a lot of shots.
Lovett and Ponds look stronger and more mature.
I love that Bash's role has been reduced but think his output can be the same.
The question mark will be the front court but I'm hoping small ball wins.
Bash plays as if he’s never been coached before. He’s a black hole.
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Just watched, thought you guys would be more positive.
Rebounding- I thought we tried and competed. I even saw Ahmed boxing out.
Defense- they weren’t good, but we only gave up 61 points. I think the guards played well.
Yakwe- was terrible. Hoping it was just a bad game
Amar- was horrific- still looking for his own shot immediately after coming in. His shot still sucks. He picked up 2 fouls really quick.
Ponds and Lovett were awesome. The 2 new guys were really goood. I thought amhed played a much smarter game ( for him).
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Did not see the game but just reviewed the stats. Ahmed worries me, 4 TOs in 21 minutes is awful. Given the lines on Yakwe (4 fouls in 8 minutes is incomprehensible) and Amar this may be a 7 man team which is scary. I believe both of them will come around , if not there will be major problems. Getting outrebounded by 15 is horrid. I did see positives. The D must have been good, 61 points! After the first 3 games I'm seeing a 4 man backcourt that is excellent and should be able to carry us to a reasonable amount of wins (18-20) Clark was offensively productive but we need more rebounds from him. Assist total good. The winning margin was impressive especially with ponds having an off night Time will tell.....not a bad opener....did what they were suppose to do, win big.
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Just watched, thought you guys would be more positive.
Rebounding- I thought we tried and competed. I even saw Ahmed boxing out.
Defense- they weren’t good, but we only gave up 61 points. I think the guards played well.
Yakwe- was terrible. Hoping it was just a bad game
Amar- was horrific- still looking for his own shot immediately after coming in. His shot still sucks. He picked up 2 fouls really quick.
Ponds and Lovett were awesome. The 2 new guys were really goood. I thought amhed played a much smarter game ( for him).
They started to get after it some in the second half on the glass, but Owens rarely gets position, Clark thinks he’s a scoring guard and the only one who thinks board when a shot goes up is Ponds. That’s why he’s the best player on the team. He’s everywhere.
Yakwe is rarely paying attention. Him and Amar have zero feel for the game. That, and Amar is selfish, and completely clueless. Ahmed is selfish, too. He plays like he’s only interested in showcasing his skill set for the NBA. And he’s not getting drafted even if he matures into a good player. Trimble reminds me of Ricky Torres. Slow, and only interested in shooting threes. And he’s not just a little out of shape. He’s got a belly. Maybe he’s our Bartolo?
It’s up to the staff to bring this group’s egos together and turn them into a team. It can’t be on Ponds to be the only one boxing out. How does Clark have only 3 rebounds? That’s unacceptable. Not just because he’s the center now, but because we are playing a really weak team that an MSU transfer should dominate.
Central Connecticut State shot the ball well against Hartford. If we keep up this bullshit lazy defense, it could be a close game or even a loss. Time for Mullin to be a coach. No more free passes.
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Did not see the game but just reviewed the stats. Ahmed worries me, 4 TOs in 21 minutes is awful. Given the lines on Yakwe (4 fouls in 8 minutes is incomprehensible) and Amar this may be a 7 man team which is scary. I believe both of them will come around , if not there will be major problems. Getting outrebounded by 15 is horrid. I did see positives. The D must have been good, 61 points! After the first 3 games I'm seeing a 4 man backcourt that is excellent and should be able to carry us to a reasonable amount of wins (18-20) Clark was offensively productive but we need more rebounds from him. Assist total good. The winning margin was impressive especially with ponds having an off night Time will tell.....not a bad opener....did what they were suppose to do, win big.
There are major problems already. A lazy staff that didn’t add size combined with their inability to develop talent.
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New Orleans recap: http://www.bigeastboards.com/
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Just watched, thought you guys would be more positive.
Rebounding- I thought we tried and competed. I even saw Ahmed boxing out.
Defense- they weren’t good, but we only gave up 61 points. I think the guards played well.
Yakwe- was terrible. Hoping it was just a bad game
Amar- was horrific- still looking for his own shot immediately after coming in. His shot still sucks. He picked up 2 fouls really quick.
Ponds and Lovett were awesome. The 2 new guys were really goood. I thought amhed played a much smarter game ( for him).
They started to get after it some in the second half on the glass, but Owens rarely gets position, Clark thinks he’s a scoring guard and the only one who thinks board when a shot goes up is Ponds. That’s why he’s the best player on the team. He’s everywhere.
Yakwe is rarely paying attention. Him and Amar have zero feel for the game. That, and Amar is selfish, and completely clueless. Ahmed is selfish, too. He plays like he’s only interested in showcasing his skill set for the NBA. And he’s not getting drafted even if he matures into a good player. Trimble reminds me of Ricky Torres. Slow, and only interested in shooting threes. And he’s not just a little out of shape. He’s got a belly. Maybe he’s our Bartolo?
It’s up to the staff to bring this group’s egos together and turn them into a team. It can’t be on Ponds to be the only one boxing out. How does Clark have only 3 rebounds? That’s unacceptable. Not just because he’s the center now, but because we are playing a really weak team that an MSU transfer should dominate.
Central Connecticut State shot the ball well against Hartford. If we keep up this bullshit lazy defense, it could be a close game or even a loss. Time for Mullin to be a coach. No more free passes.
Agree with you. My name expectations were lower going in.
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Did not see the game but just reviewed the stats. Ahmed worries me, 4 TOs in 21 minutes is awful. Given the lines on Yakwe (4 fouls in 8 minutes is incomprehensible) and Amar this may be a 7 man team which is scary. I believe both of them will come around , if not there will be major problems. Getting outrebounded by 15 is horrid. I did see positives. The D must have been good, 61 points! After the first 3 games I'm seeing a 4 man backcourt that is excellent and should be able to carry us to a reasonable amount of wins (18-20) Clark was offensively productive but we need more rebounds from him. Assist total good. The winning margin was impressive especially with ponds having an off night Time will tell.....not a bad opener....did what they were suppose to do, win big.
Lovett / Ponds / Clark / Simon all passed the ball well and crisply shared the rock. Some plays were very pretty to watch. There were very few turnovers in the 2nd half. In the 1st half there were a bunch of unforced, grade school level, turnovers: ball going right through a players hand on a skip pass, stepping out of bounds with the ball when receiving a pass. Those grade-school turnovers never fully go away, but hopefully it was just jitters. It was a big positive that weren't many turnovers, particularly in the 2nd half.
Excluding rebounding / lack of bulk down low (the obvious issue everyone knows about): The only overt glaring problem in watching the game, and in a continuation of last year, was Ahmed's decision making. He thinks he's Melo and just stops the ball. He definitely forced it a few times. The team has more scoring options this year, and just because more players will have the ball - he'll do this less.... But he is forcing it; and his decision-making just makes for terrible offensive production on those possessions.. the chances of generating points on that particular possession, when he does that, has to drop by a factor of 25%. It's just such low probability math.
It's like he can't believe his teammates will pass him the ball to take a good shot. (And yes they will, he received quite a few good passes that gave him good open look jump shots). This has to stop with him doing his Melo routine.
As an aside, Ponds also took a few questionable threes, but he's such a good shooter, that the team can live with it.
FT shooting was good / passing was good / decision making was generally good (Ahmed aside). Defensively, the wings (guards + clark + ahmed) looked quick on defense... i kinda forget though (hard to remember). how the team was on staying in front of their man and preventing dribble penetration? Ahmed, losing weight in the off-season - he definitely looks leaner and touch quicker.
Another note about Ahmed: Another poster pointed this out: He definitely changed his release on his shot; he's totally "short-arming" it. I assume this is because he wants to make his shot quicker, but really looks like he's not following through. Even on his FT shots, he has this much more compact, jerky shot. On his two made threes he looked like he followed-through a bit more...but still, we'll see if he's a better shooter. Otherwise, the form looks really good. It'll be interesting to see if this is a better shot for him.
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Did not see the game but just reviewed the stats. Ahmed worries me, 4 TOs in 21 minutes is awful. Given the lines on Yakwe (4 fouls in 8 minutes is incomprehensible) and Amar this may be a 7 man team which is scary. I believe both of them will come around , if not there will be major problems. Getting outrebounded by 15 is horrid. I did see positives. The D must have been good, 61 points! After the first 3 games I'm seeing a 4 man backcourt that is excellent and should be able to carry us to a reasonable amount of wins (18-20) Clark was offensively productive but we need more rebounds from him. Assist total good. The winning margin was impressive especially with ponds having an off night Time will tell.....not a bad opener....did what they were suppose to do, win big.
Lovett / Ponds / Clark / Simon all passed the ball well and crisply shared the rock. Some plays were very pretty to watch. There were very few turnovers in the 2nd half. In the 1st half there were a bunch of unforced, grade school level, turnovers: ball going right through a players hand on a skip pass, stepping out of bounds with the ball when receiving a pass. Those grade-school turnovers never fully go away, but hopefully it was just jitters. It was a big positive that weren't many turnovers, particularly in the 2nd half.
Excluding rebounding / lack of bulk down low (the obvious issue everyone knows about): The only overt glaring problem in watching the game, and in a continuation of last year, was Ahmed's decision making. He thinks he's Melo and just stops the ball. He definitely forced it a few times. The team has more scoring options this year, and just because more players will have the ball - he'll do this less.... But his forcing it; and decision making just makes for terrible offensive production on those possessions.. the chances of generating points on that particular possession, when he does that, has to drop by a factor of 25%. It's just such low probability math.
It's like he can't believe his teammates will pass him the ball to take a good shot. (And yes they will, he received quite a few good passes that gave him good open look jump shots). This has to stop with him doing his Melo routine.
As an aside, Ponds also took a few questionable threes, but he's such a good shooter, that the team can live with it.
FT shooting was good / passing was good / decision making was generally good (Ahmed aside). Defensively, the wings (guards + clark + ahmed) looked quick on defense... i kinda forget though (hard to remember). how the team was on staying in front of their man and preventing dribble penetration? Ahmed, losing weight in the off-season - he definitely looks leaner and touch quicker.
Another note about Ahmed: Another poster pointed this out: He definitely changed his release on his shot; he's totally "short-arming" it. I assume this is because he wants to make his shot quicker, but really looks like he's not following through. Even on his FT shots, he has this much more compact, jerky shot. On his two made threes he looked like he followed-through a bit more...but still, we'll see if he's a better shooter. Otherwise, the form looks really good. It'll be interesting to see if this is a better shot for him.
Ahmed thinks he’s the man on this team. I’d say he should come off the bench, but there is no bench. Mullin will have to take his medicine finally. As will an inept University for being foolish enough to hire a guy with zero experience. All he did all game was throw his arms out in response to a call he didn’t like. At least Lavin was good at something.
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Ahmad played awful last night. No touch and no court awareness. Still think he should be 6th Man.
And it’s ponds who’s changed his shot imo
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Where is this Ahmed hate coming from? This is how he always plays !
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Where is this Ahmed hate coming from? This is how he always plays !
He needs to play better. Another negative on the staff for lack of player development.
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Did not see the game but just reviewed the stats. Ahmed worries me, 4 TOs in 21 minutes is awful. Given the lines on Yakwe (4 fouls in 8 minutes is incomprehensible) and Amar this may be a 7 man team which is scary. I believe both of them will come around , if not there will be major problems. Getting outrebounded by 15 is horrid. I did see positives. The D must have been good, 61 points! After the first 3 games I'm seeing a 4 man backcourt that is excellent and should be able to carry us to a reasonable amount of wins (18-20) Clark was offensively productive but we need more rebounds from him. Assist total good. The winning margin was impressive especially with ponds having an off night Time will tell.....not a bad opener....did what they were suppose to do, win big.
There are major problems already. A lazy staff that didn’t add size combined with their inability to develop talent.
This pretty much sums it up.
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Where is this Ahmed hate coming from? This is how he always plays !
Issue for me is all the talk about him being best player all off season in practice, spending time watching film and making adjustments to style. Have not seen it to great extent in exhibition vs Rutgers or last night
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Yakwe's regression from freshman season is puzzling. He was a young freshman and showed a lot of potential. I thought he may have been our next Sir Dom. Then last year he seemed lost and usually had three or four fouls in a few minutes. He showed his freshman form in the Marquette game last year but that didn't last long. With a nine man rotation (really eight considering not expecting much from Amar) Yakwe should have an opportunity to contribute. Still hoping that he can turn it around.
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Yakwe's regression from freshman season is puzzling. He was a young freshman and showed a lot of potential. I thought he may have been our next Sir Dom. Then last year he seemed lost and usually had three or four fouls in a few minutes. He showed his freshman form in the Marquette game last year but that didn't last long. With a nine man rotation (really eight considering not expecting much from Amar) Yakwe should have an opportunity to contribute. Still hoping that he can turn it around.
Rico Hines was a tremendous player development coach. We watched D'Ang, Phil, Dom and even players like Gift and Jamal Branch all improve greatly over their time with Hines.
I think Bash and Kassoum both need a little bit of time, one game doesn't define either player. They both played well in the exhibition games. I'm not prepared to take Bash out of the starting lineup, we're going to rely on him heavily at times and I like the lineup of Shamorie/Marcus/Justin/Bash/Marv. However when Tariq is inserted into that mix, it looked like a formidable alternative.
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Where is this Ahmed hate coming from? This is how he always plays !
Issue for me is all the talk about him being best player all off season in practice, spending time watching film and making adjustments to style. Have not seen it to great extent in exhibition vs Rutgers or last night
Beware of the "best in practice or over the summer" nonsense.
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Yakwe's regression from freshman season is puzzling. He was a young freshman and showed a lot of potential. I thought he may have been our next Sir Dom. Then last year he seemed lost and usually had three or four fouls in a few minutes. He showed his freshman form in the Marquette game last year but that didn't last long. With a nine man rotation (really eight considering not expecting much from Amar) Yakwe should have an opportunity to contribute. Still hoping that he can turn it around.
Rico Hines was a tremendous player development coach. We watched D'Ang, Phil, Dom and even players like Gift and Jamal Branch all improve greatly over their time with Hines.
I think Bash and Kassoum both need a little bit of time, one game doesn't define either player. They both played well in the exhibition games. I'm not prepared to take Bash out of the starting lineup, we're going to rely on him heavily at times and I like the lineup of Shamorie/Marcus/Justin/Bash/Marv. However when Tariq is inserted into that mix, it looked like a formidable alternative.
Was he? I thought as you did while he was here, but in two seasons, the best job he could get is an assistant gig in the G league in Reno.
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I think Ahmed is one of the most frustrating players to watch that has worn an SJU uniform. He clearly has some offensive skill and shot making ability. But he is out of control 25% of the time the ball touches his hands.
And despite his size, he is a below average defender because he has no awareness. Ahmed plays like an overseas import who started playing basketball at 14.
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Yakwe's regression from freshman season is puzzling. He was a young freshman and showed a lot of potential. I thought he may have been our next Sir Dom. Then last year he seemed lost and usually had three or four fouls in a few minutes. He showed his freshman form in the Marquette game last year but that didn't last long. With a nine man rotation (really eight considering not expecting much from Amar) Yakwe should have an opportunity to contribute. Still hoping that he can turn it around.
Rico Hines was a tremendous player development coach. We watched D'Ang, Phil, Dom and even players like Gift and Jamal Branch all improve greatly over their time with Hines.
I think Bash and Kassoum both need a little bit of time, one game doesn't define either player. They both played well in the exhibition games. I'm not prepared to take Bash out of the starting lineup, we're going to rely on him heavily at times and I like the lineup of Shamorie/Marcus/Justin/Bash/Marv. However when Tariq is inserted into that mix, it looked like a formidable alternative.
Was he? I thought as you did while he was here, but in two seasons, the best job he could get is an assistant gig in the G league in Reno.
I think that’s a bit harsh. It’s a developmental league, and Quan just said that he develops players. Seems like a good fit. Plenty of nba worthy guys in this league. It’s tougher because the league keeps getting more players to choose from and hasn’t expanded in size.
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I think Ahmed is one of the most frustrating players to watch that has worn an SJU uniform. He clearly has some offensive skill and shot making ability. But he is out of control 25% of the time the ball touches his hands.
And despite his size, he is a below average defender because he has no awareness. Ahmed plays like an overseas import who started playing basketball at 14.
Right now, he’s a poor man’s freshman year Felipe Lopez. We need him to be senior year Felipe Lopez since well, he’s a senior now. He knows what he should be doing, but he wants to show boat. That will stop when Mullin makes it stop.
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I think Ahmed is one of the most frustrating players to watch that has worn an SJU uniform. He clearly has some offensive skill and shot making ability. But he is out of control 25% of the time the ball touches his hands.
And despite his size, he is a below average defender because he has no awareness. Ahmed plays like an overseas import who started playing basketball at 14.
Exactly. But it seems like everyone is shocked all of a sudden.
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I think Ahmed is one of the most frustrating players to watch that has worn an SJU uniform. He clearly has some offensive skill and shot making ability. But he is out of control 25% of the time the ball touches his hands.
And despite his size, he is a below average defender because he has no awareness. Ahmed plays like an overseas import who started playing basketball at 14.
Right now, he’s a poor man’s freshman year Felipe Lopez. We need him to be senior year Felipe Lopez since well, he’s a senior now.
I know you hate Felipe but he averaged almost 20 points as a frosh. Ahmed is no Felipe.
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I think Ahmed is one of the most frustrating players to watch that has worn an SJU uniform. He clearly has some offensive skill and shot making ability. But he is out of control 25% of the time the ball touches his hands.
And despite his size, he is a below average defender because he has no awareness. Ahmed plays like an overseas import who started playing basketball at 14.
Exactly. But it seems like everyone is shocked all of a sudden.
No, it's not new. You are right.
But last year he was stepping up to D1, so I thought he might need time to adjust. Then I believed the hype that he looked great in practice.
Shame on me for listening to that.
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I think Ahmed is one of the most frustrating players to watch that has worn an SJU uniform. He clearly has some offensive skill and shot making ability. But he is out of control 25% of the time the ball touches his hands.
And despite his size, he is a below average defender because he has no awareness. Ahmed plays like an overseas import who started playing basketball at 14.
Right now, he’s a poor man’s freshman year Felipe Lopez. We need him to be senior year Felipe Lopez since well, he’s a senior now.
I know you hate Felipe but he averaged almost 20 points as a frosh. Ahmed is no Felipe.
I definitely do not hate Felipe. I hated how he approached his role on the team. He wasn’t interested in the rest of the players on the team. Too often he wanted to do it himself. That doesn’t work. He finally learned that as a senior. Ahmed needs to be a team player. And I’m not saying that Ahmed is even as good as him. Just that the focus on scoring no matter what is a commonality.
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I think Ahmed is one of the most frustrating players to watch that has worn an SJU uniform. He clearly has some offensive skill and shot making ability. But he is out of control 25% of the time the ball touches his hands.
And despite his size, he is a below average defender because he has no awareness. Ahmed plays like an overseas import who started playing basketball at 14.
Right now, he’s a poor man’s freshman year Felipe Lopez. We need him to be senior year Felipe Lopez since well, he’s a senior now.
I know you hate Felipe but he averaged almost 20 points as a frosh. Ahmed is no Felipe.
I definitely do not hate Felipe. I hated how he approached his role on the team. He wasn’t interested in the rest of the players on the team. Too often he wanted to do it himself. That doesn’t work. He finally learned that as a senior. Ahmed needs to be a team player. And I’m not saying that Ahmed is even as good as him. Just that the focus on scoring no matter what is a commonality.
Fair enough. But I don't blame Felipe. He came in with all that hype, cover of SI, number one HS player over Allen Iverson so hard to blame him for trying to do too much not to mention we had Mahoney as a coach who did not know what to do with all the talent he had. Also we din't have a good PG during his 4 years. Felipe would have looked a lot better if we would have gotten Kareem Reid to run the point and set Felipe up in better position to use his athleticism instead of Tarik turner and Mo Brown.
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Rico Hines was a tremendous player development coach. We watched D'Ang, Phil, Dom and even players like Gift and Jamal Branch all improve greatly over their time with Hines.
Gazundheit averaged 9 points and 5.5 rebounds as a junior and 2 points and 2 rebounds as a senior. Branch averaged six points and three assists as a sophomore and 5 points and 2 assists as a senior. Harrison averaged 16 points as a freshman and 17 points as a senior. Greene became a better three point shooter as an upperclassman and did nothing else well as an any classman. Pointer's improvement was IIRC a result of Lavin lighting a fire under him by suggesting that he red shirt.
So to recap: no one improved greatly over their time with Hines except Pointer and probably that had nothing to do with Hines, who spent his time at SJU raw dogging road whores and collecting academic transcripts in parking lots.
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Rico Hines was a tremendous player development coach. We watched D'Ang, Phil, Dom and even players like Gift and Jamal Branch all improve greatly over their time with Hines.
Gazundheit averaged 9 points and 5.5 rebounds as a junior and 2 points and 2 rebounds as a senior. Branch averaged six points and three assists as a sophomore and 5 points and 2 assists as a senior. Harrison averaged 16 points as a freshman and 17 points as a senior. Greene became a better three point shooter as an upperclassman and did nothing else well as an any classman. Pointer's improvement was IIRC a result of Lavin lighting a fire under him by suggesting that he red shirt.
So to recap: no one improved greatly over their time with Hines except Pointer and probably that had nothing to do with Hines, who spent his time at SJU raw dogging road whores and collecting academic transcripts in parking lots.
This.
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Fair enough. But I don't blame Felipe. He came in with all that hype, cover of SI, number one HS player over Allen Iverson
Iverson would've likely stayed at #1 (Lopez was rated #2 behind Iverson) had he not been incarcerated for the bowling alley melee during the latter part of his junior year in high school.
So to recap: no one improved greatly over their time with Hines except Pointer and probably that had nothing to do with Hines, who spent his time at SJU raw dogging road whores and collecting academic transcripts in parking lots.
Hines may have liked this one....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2zgB93KANE
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Rico Hines was a tremendous player development coach. We watched D'Ang, Phil, Dom and even players like Gift and Jamal Branch all improve greatly over their time with Hines.
Gazundheit averaged 9 points and 5.5 rebounds as a junior and 2 points and 2 rebounds as a senior. Branch averaged six points and three assists as a sophomore and 5 points and 2 assists as a senior. Harrison averaged 16 points as a freshman and 17 points as a senior. Greene became a better three point shooter as an upperclassman and did nothing else well as an any classman. Pointer's improvement was IIRC a result of Lavin lighting a fire under him by suggesting that he red shirt.
So to recap: no one improved greatly over their time with Hines except Pointer and probably that had nothing to do with Hines, who spent his time at SJU raw dogging road whores and collecting academic transcripts in parking lots.
This.
Lol
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Rico Hines was a tremendous player development coach. We watched D'Ang, Phil, Dom and even players like Gift and Jamal Branch all improve greatly over their time with Hines.
Gazundheit averaged 9 points and 5.5 rebounds as a junior and 2 points and 2 rebounds as a senior. Branch averaged six points and three assists as a sophomore and 5 points and 2 assists as a senior. Harrison averaged 16 points as a freshman and 17 points as a senior. Greene became a better three point shooter as an upperclassman and did nothing else well as an any classman. Pointer's improvement was IIRC a result of Lavin lighting a fire under him by suggesting that he red shirt.
So to recap: no one improved greatly over their time with Hines except Pointer and probably that had nothing to do with Hines, who spent his time at SJU raw dogging road whores and collecting academic transcripts in parking lots.
Who are the players that have improved under Mullin?
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Rico Hines was a tremendous player development coach. We watched D'Ang, Phil, Dom and even players like Gift and Jamal Branch all improve greatly over their time with Hines.
Gazundheit averaged 9 points and 5.5 rebounds as a junior and 2 points and 2 rebounds as a senior. Branch averaged six points and three assists as a sophomore and 5 points and 2 assists as a senior. Harrison averaged 16 points as a freshman and 17 points as a senior. Greene became a better three point shooter as an upperclassman and did nothing else well as an any classman. Pointer's improvement was IIRC a result of Lavin lighting a fire under him by suggesting that he red shirt.
So to recap: no one improved greatly over their time with Hines except Pointer and probably that had nothing to do with Hines, who spent his time at SJU raw dogging road whores and collecting academic transcripts in parking lots.
Who are the players that have improved under Mullin?
I'll happily answer that question if you are able to explain why your question is even vaguely relevant to whether players improved under Rico Hines.
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Rico Hines was a tremendous player development coach. We watched D'Ang, Phil, Dom and even players like Gift and Jamal Branch all improve greatly over their time with Hines.
Gazundheit averaged 9 points and 5.5 rebounds as a junior and 2 points and 2 rebounds as a senior. Branch averaged six points and three assists as a sophomore and 5 points and 2 assists as a senior. Harrison averaged 16 points as a freshman and 17 points as a senior. Greene became a better three point shooter as an upperclassman and did nothing else well as an any classman. Pointer's improvement was IIRC a result of Lavin lighting a fire under him by suggesting that he red shirt.
So to recap: no one improved greatly over their time with Hines except Pointer and probably that had nothing to do with Hines, who spent his time at SJU raw dogging road whores and collecting academic transcripts in parking lots.
Who are the players that have improved under Mullin?
I'll happily answer that question if you are able to explain why your question is even vaguely relevant to whether players improved under Rico Hines.
Because we fired a coach who just made the NCAA tournament because of his perceived incompetence, and we’ve replaced this coach with a lesser group of coaches and overall talent group.
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Ahmed has always been a good hand. I think this year he is probably more suited off the bench because of the addition of Simon & Clark but we will see.
Also re: rebounding, at the game live I would have never guessed they out rebounded us by so much. Didn't look like it but they need to get better there for sure.
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Ahmed has always been a good hand. I think this year he is probably more suited off the bench because of the addition of Simon & Clark but we will see.
Also re: rebounding, at the game live I would have never guessed they out rebounded us by so much. Didn't look like it but they need to get better there for sure.
Ahmed has to start. There’s no one else. Staff has made their bed.
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Rico Hines was a tremendous player development coach. We watched D'Ang, Phil, Dom and even players like Gift and Jamal Branch all improve greatly over their time with Hines.
Gazundheit averaged 9 points and 5.5 rebounds as a junior and 2 points and 2 rebounds as a senior. Branch averaged six points and three assists as a sophomore and 5 points and 2 assists as a senior. Harrison averaged 16 points as a freshman and 17 points as a senior. Greene became a better three point shooter as an upperclassman and did nothing else well as an any classman. Pointer's improvement was IIRC a result of Lavin lighting a fire under him by suggesting that he red shirt.
So to recap: no one improved greatly over their time with Hines except Pointer and probably that had nothing to do with Hines, who spent his time at SJU raw dogging road whores and collecting academic transcripts in parking lots.
Who are the players that have improved under Mullin?
I'll happily answer that question if you are able to explain why your question is even vaguely relevant to whether players improved under Rico Hines.
Because we fired a coach who just made the NCAA tournament because of his perceived incompetence, and we’ve replaced this coach with a lesser group of coaches and overall talent group.
I don't think either Lavin or the current coaching staff are the answer. I'll let this season play out although I already have a feeling I know the ending. I'm starting to think the only way this thing gets turned around under CM is if they replace most of his coaching staff with proven sideline coaches and recruiters.
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Rico Hines was a tremendous player development coach. We watched D'Ang, Phil, Dom and even players like Gift and Jamal Branch all improve greatly over their time with Hines.
Gazundheit averaged 9 points and 5.5 rebounds as a junior and 2 points and 2 rebounds as a senior. Branch averaged six points and three assists as a sophomore and 5 points and 2 assists as a senior. Harrison averaged 16 points as a freshman and 17 points as a senior. Greene became a better three point shooter as an upperclassman and did nothing else well as an any classman. Pointer's improvement was IIRC a result of Lavin lighting a fire under him by suggesting that he red shirt.
So to recap: no one improved greatly over their time with Hines except Pointer and probably that had nothing to do with Hines, who spent his time at SJU raw dogging road whores and collecting academic transcripts in parking lots.
Who are the players that have improved under Mullin?
I'll happily answer that question if you are able to explain why your question is even vaguely relevant to whether players improved under Rico Hines.
Because we fired a coach who just made the NCAA tournament because of his perceived incompetence, and we’ve replaced this coach with a lesser group of coaches and overall talent group.
I don't think either Lavin or the current coaching staff are the answer. I'll let this season play out although I already have a feeling I know the ending. I'm starting to think the only way this thing gets turned around under CM is if they replace most of his coaching staff with proven sideline coaches and recruiters.
Lavin’s talent was that he could talk to recruits and their families. He brought talent here from all over the country. He couldn’t develop a system that worked. He could make half time adjustments, and he never had control of his program. Plenty of problems, but at least we could the strengths and weaknesses.
With Mullin, his strength is his name. He’s not a talker. He’s not a recruiter. He doesn’t teach hustle and work ethic, or we’d see the evidence if that. Jeff Goodman was spot on when he asked what Mullin did. He’s Chris Mullin. That’s what he does.
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Was at the game and thought that there were positives and negatives and one must remember this was the first game of the season. I agree that rebounding was atrocious and will be a weakness all year--don't look to see much offensive rebounding as that is where fouls have a high probability of occurring and that is something that we can't afford. Bench was extremely short and not much contribution. (The women's team got 35 points off the bench while men got 8). Couldn't put NO away after getting up by 22 with 6 minutes left--need to finish better.
Positives were team speed which was incredible. T/O's were cut down in second half. Marcus looked like mid season-smooth and under control and 4 steals. The fouls which were a problem in exhibitions were cut down-Owens none in 23 minutes and Clark 3 in 29 minutes (one could see impact of sitting out on Clark when he would come out--expect better things from him as he gets game conditioned.
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Was at the game and thought that there were positives and negatives and one must remember this was the first game of the season. I agree that rebounding was atrocious and will be a weakness all year--don't look to see much offensive rebounding as that is where fouls have a high probability of occurring and that is something that we can't afford. Bench was extremely short and not much contribution. (The women's team got 35 points off the bench while men got 8 points). Couldn't put NO away after getting up by 22 with 6 minutes left--need to finish better.
Positives were team speed which was incredible. T/O's were cut down in second half. Marcus looked like mid season-smooth and under control and 4 steals. The fouls which were a problem in exhibitions were cut down-Owens none in 23 minutes and Clark 3 in 29 minutes (one could see impact of sitting out on Clark when he would come out--expect better things from him as he gets game conditioned.
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Rico Hines was a tremendous player development coach. We watched D'Ang, Phil, Dom and even players like Gift and Jamal Branch all improve greatly over their time with Hines.
Gazundheit averaged 9 points and 5.5 rebounds as a junior and 2 points and 2 rebounds as a senior. Branch averaged six points and three assists as a sophomore and 5 points and 2 assists as a senior. Harrison averaged 16 points as a freshman and 17 points as a senior. Greene became a better three point shooter as an upperclassman and did nothing else well as an any classman. Pointer's improvement was IIRC a result of Lavin lighting a fire under him by suggesting that he red shirt.
So to recap: no one improved greatly over their time with Hines except Pointer and probably that had nothing to do with Hines, who spent his time at SJU raw dogging road whores and collecting academic transcripts in parking lots.
Who are the players that have improved under Mullin?
I'll happily answer that question if you are able to explain why your question is even vaguely relevant to whether players improved under Rico Hines.
Because we fired a coach who just made the NCAA tournament because of his perceived incompetence, and we’ve replaced this coach with a lesser group of coaches and overall talent group.
I don't think either Lavin or the current coaching staff are the answer. I'll let this season play out although I already have a feeling I know the ending. I'm starting to think the only way this thing gets turned around under CM is if they replace most of his coaching staff with proven sideline coaches and recruiters.
Lavin’s talent was that he could talk to recruits and their families. He brought talent here from all over the country. He couldn’t develop a system that worked. He could make half time adjustments, and he never had control of his program. Plenty of problems, but at least we could the strengths and weaknesses.
With Mullin, his strength is his name. He’s not a talker. He’s not a recruiter. He doesn’t teach hustle and work ethic, or we’d see the evidence if that. Jeff Goodman was spot on when he asked what Mullin did. He’s Chris Mullin. That’s what he does.
Exactly why I think our only hope for him is cleaning house and bringing in a strong staff. Otherwise status quo.
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If Owens has no fouls in 23 minutes, then he needs more minutes.
He needs to play as much as possible. Not starting him is a miss. I'd sit him only for short rest or if he gets 3 fouls before half.
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Rico Hines was a tremendous player development coach. We watched D'Ang, Phil, Dom and even players like Gift and Jamal Branch all improve greatly over their time with Hines.
Gazundheit averaged 9 points and 5.5 rebounds as a junior and 2 points and 2 rebounds as a senior. Branch averaged six points and three assists as a sophomore and 5 points and 2 assists as a senior. Harrison averaged 16 points as a freshman and 17 points as a senior. Greene became a better three point shooter as an upperclassman and did nothing else well as an any classman. Pointer's improvement was IIRC a result of Lavin lighting a fire under him by suggesting that he red shirt.
So to recap: no one improved greatly over their time with Hines except Pointer and probably that had nothing to do with Hines, who spent his time at SJU raw dogging road whores and collecting academic transcripts in parking lots.
Who are the players that have improved under Mullin?
I'll happily answer that question if you are able to explain why your question is even vaguely relevant to whether players improved under Rico Hines.
Because we fired a coach who just made the NCAA tournament because of his perceived incompetence, and we’ve replaced this coach with a lesser group of coaches and overall talent group.
I don't think either Lavin or the current coaching staff are the answer. I'll let this season play out although I already have a feeling I know the ending. I'm starting to think the only way this thing gets turned around under CM is if they replace most of his coaching staff with proven sideline coaches and recruiters.
Lavin’s talent was that he could talk to recruits and their families. He brought talent here from all over the country. He couldn’t develop a system that worked. He could make half time adjustments, and he never had control of his program. Plenty of problems, but at least we could the strengths and weaknesses.
With Mullin, his strength is his name. He’s not a talker. He’s not a recruiter. He doesn’t teach hustle and work ethic, or we’d see the evidence if that. Jeff Goodman was spot on when he asked what Mullin did. He’s Chris Mullin. That’s what he does.
Exactly why I think our only hope for him is cleaning house and bringing in a strong staff. Otherwise status quo.
If the new AD has a pair he teams with the President and tells Mo to make changes to staff and if he refuses no contract extension unless he meets expectations by year 5 which I think is the end of contract.
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Rico Hines was a tremendous player development coach. We watched D'Ang, Phil, Dom and even players like Gift and Jamal Branch all improve greatly over their time with Hines.
Gazundheit averaged 9 points and 5.5 rebounds as a junior and 2 points and 2 rebounds as a senior. Branch averaged six points and three assists as a sophomore and 5 points and 2 assists as a senior. Harrison averaged 16 points as a freshman and 17 points as a senior. Greene became a better three point shooter as an upperclassman and did nothing else well as an any classman. Pointer's improvement was IIRC a result of Lavin lighting a fire under him by suggesting that he red shirt.
So to recap: no one improved greatly over their time with Hines except Pointer and probably that had nothing to do with Hines, who spent his time at SJU raw dogging road whores and collecting academic transcripts in parking lots.
Who are the players that have improved under Mullin?
I'll happily answer that question if you are able to explain why your question is even vaguely relevant to whether players improved under Rico Hines.
Because we fired a coach who just made the NCAA tournament because of his perceived incompetence, and we’ve replaced this coach with a lesser group of coaches and overall talent group.
So because Steve Lavin was fired, therefore players improved under Rico Hines. That's exquisitely nice personic.
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Rico Hines was a tremendous player development coach. We watched D'Ang, Phil, Dom and even players like Gift and Jamal Branch all improve greatly over their time with Hines.
Gazundheit averaged 9 points and 5.5 rebounds as a junior and 2 points and 2 rebounds as a senior. Branch averaged six points and three assists as a sophomore and 5 points and 2 assists as a senior. Harrison averaged 16 points as a freshman and 17 points as a senior. Greene became a better three point shooter as an upperclassman and did nothing else well as an any classman. Pointer's improvement was IIRC a result of Lavin lighting a fire under him by suggesting that he red shirt.
So to recap: no one improved greatly over their time with Hines except Pointer and probably that had nothing to do with Hines, who spent his time at SJU raw dogging road whores and collecting academic transcripts in parking lots.
Who are the players that have improved under Mullin?
I'll happily answer that question if you are able to explain why your question is even vaguely relevant to whether players improved under Rico Hines.
Because we fired a coach who just made the NCAA tournament because of his perceived incompetence, and we’ve replaced this coach with a lesser group of coaches and overall talent group.
I don't think either Lavin or the current coaching staff are the answer. I'll let this season play out although I already have a feeling I know the ending. I'm starting to think the only way this thing gets turned around under CM is if they replace most of his coaching staff with proven sideline coaches and recruiters.
Lavin’s talent was that he could talk to recruits and their families. He brought talent here from all over the country. He couldn’t develop a system that worked. He could make half time adjustments, and he never had control of his program. Plenty of problems, but at least we could the strengths and weaknesses.
With Mullin, his strength is his name. He’s not a talker. He’s not a recruiter. He doesn’t teach hustle and work ethic, or we’d see the evidence if that. Jeff Goodman was spot on when he asked what Mullin did. He’s Chris Mullin. That’s what he does.
Exactly why I think our only hope for him is cleaning house and bringing in a strong staff. Otherwise status quo.
If the new AD has a pair he teams with the President and tells Mo to make changes to staff and if he refuses no contract extension unless he meets expectations by year 5 which I think is the end of contract.
Why is replacing the staff the answer we are so sure of? He fielded this staff. It’s his judgement.
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Just watched, thought you guys would be more positive.
Rebounding- I thought we tried and competed. I even saw Ahmed boxing out.
Defense- they weren’t good, but we only gave up 61 points. I think the guards played well.
Yakwe- was terrible. Hoping it was just a bad game
Amar- was horrific- still looking for his own shot immediately after coming in. His shot still sucks. He picked up 2 fouls really quick.
Ponds and Lovett were awesome. The 2 new guys were really goood. I thought amhed played a much smarter game ( for him).
Good assessment. Thought we were more committed on defense. But think they'll need even more intensity given our rebounding disadvantage.
Yakwe has no feel for the game. Whatever athleticism he may have does not show itself. Routinely lets his man back him down. Almost seems like he's wearing sneaker skates.
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Rico Hines was a tremendous player development coach. We watched D'Ang, Phil, Dom and even players like Gift and Jamal Branch all improve greatly over their time with Hines.
Gazundheit averaged 9 points and 5.5 rebounds as a junior and 2 points and 2 rebounds as a senior. Branch averaged six points and three assists as a sophomore and 5 points and 2 assists as a senior. Harrison averaged 16 points as a freshman and 17 points as a senior. Greene became a better three point shooter as an upperclassman and did nothing else well as an any classman. Pointer's improvement was IIRC a result of Lavin lighting a fire under him by suggesting that he red shirt.
So to recap: no one improved greatly over their time with Hines except Pointer and probably that had nothing to do with Hines, who spent his time at SJU raw dogging road whores and collecting academic transcripts in parking lots.
Who are the players that have improved under Mullin?
I'll happily answer that question if you are able to explain why your question is even vaguely relevant to whether players improved under Rico Hines.
Because we fired a coach who just made the NCAA tournament because of his perceived incompetence, and we’ve replaced this coach with a lesser group of coaches and overall talent group.
I don't think either Lavin or the current coaching staff are the answer. I'll let this season play out although I already have a feeling I know the ending. I'm starting to think the only way this thing gets turned around under CM is if they replace most of his coaching staff with proven sideline coaches and recruiters.
Lavin’s talent was that he could talk to recruits and their families. He brought talent here from all over the country. He couldn’t develop a system that worked. He could make half time adjustments, and he never had control of his program. Plenty of problems, but at least we could the strengths and weaknesses.
With Mullin, his strength is his name. He’s not a talker. He’s not a recruiter. He doesn’t teach hustle and work ethic, or we’d see the evidence if that. Jeff Goodman was spot on when he asked what Mullin did. He’s Chris Mullin. That’s what he does.
Exactly why I think our only hope for him is cleaning house and bringing in a strong staff. Otherwise status quo.
If the new AD has a pair he teams with the President and tells Mo to make changes to staff and if he refuses no contract extension unless he meets expectations by year 5 which I think is the end of contract.
From your lips...
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I don't get the hate towards Bash after just one game. He is vitally important as the third scorer and shooter. We don't win more than 15 games without him. I expect him to improve quite a bit.
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Rico Hines was a tremendous player development coach. We watched D'Ang, Phil, Dom and even players like Gift and Jamal Branch all improve greatly over their time with Hines.
Gazundheit averaged 9 points and 5.5 rebounds as a junior and 2 points and 2 rebounds as a senior. Branch averaged six points and three assists as a sophomore and 5 points and 2 assists as a senior. Harrison averaged 16 points as a freshman and 17 points as a senior. Greene became a better three point shooter as an upperclassman and did nothing else well as an any classman. Pointer's improvement was IIRC a result of Lavin lighting a fire under him by suggesting that he red shirt.
So to recap: no one improved greatly over their time with Hines except Pointer and probably that had nothing to do with Hines, who spent his time at SJU raw dogging road whores and collecting academic transcripts in parking lots.
Who are the players that have improved under Mullin?
I'll happily answer that question if you are able to explain why your question is even vaguely relevant to whether players improved under Rico Hines.
Because we fired a coach who just made the NCAA tournament because of his perceived incompetence, and we’ve replaced this coach with a lesser group of coaches and overall talent group.
I don't think either Lavin or the current coaching staff are the answer. I'll let this season play out although I already have a feeling I know the ending. I'm starting to think the only way this thing gets turned around under CM is if they replace most of his coaching staff with proven sideline coaches and recruiters.
Lavin’s talent was that he could talk to recruits and their families. He brought talent here from all over the country. He couldn’t develop a system that worked. He could make half time adjustments, and he never had control of his program. Plenty of problems, but at least we could the strengths and weaknesses.
With Mullin, his strength is his name. He’s not a talker. He’s not a recruiter. He doesn’t teach hustle and work ethic, or we’d see the evidence if that. Jeff Goodman was spot on when he asked what Mullin did. He’s Chris Mullin. That’s what he does.
Exactly why I think our only hope for him is cleaning house and bringing in a strong staff. Otherwise status quo.
If the new AD has a pair he teams with the President and tells Mo to make changes to staff and if he refuses no contract extension unless he meets expectations by year 5 which I think is the end of contract.
Why is replacing the staff the answer we are so sure of? He fielded this staff. It’s his judgement.
Because they just do not look like a well coached team. They obviously want mulling to succeed but he needs lots of help. Didn't say change the whole staff but get a balance of recruiters and x and o's (good ones).
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last night I saw a major coaching mistake that probably went unnoticed. With 2 mins left in the half coach changed to a zone. If you haven't used it for 18 mins dont use it now because it allows the opponent to adjust at half time and it loses its effectiveness if you need to use it in the 2nd half. You wont see a H S coach make that mistake.
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last night I saw a major coaching mistake that probably went unnoticed. With 2 mins left in the half coach changed to a zone. If you haven't used it for 18 mins dont use it now because it allows the opponent to adjust at half time and it loses its effectiveness if you need to use it in the 2nd half. You wont see a H S coach make that mistake.
You're joking, right? No coach needs halftime to adjust to a 2-3.
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last night I saw a major coaching mistake that probably went unnoticed. With 2 mins left in the half coach changed to a zone. If you haven't used it for 18 mins dont use it now because it allows the opponent to adjust at half time and it loses its effectiveness if you need to use it in the 2nd half. You wont see a H S coach make that mistake.
It was just a look out of a timeout.
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It was a very entertaining game and I enjoyed it.
Even a small smattering of optimism would have improved the life of Chicken Little.
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last night I saw a major coaching mistake that probably went unnoticed. With 2 mins left in the half coach changed to a zone. If you haven't used it for 18 mins dont use it now because it allows the opponent to adjust at half time and it loses its effectiveness if you need to use it in the 2nd half. You wont see a H S coach make that mistake.
And it was a bad zone at that.
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last night I saw a major coaching mistake that probably went unnoticed. With 2 mins left in the half coach changed to a zone. If you haven't used it for 18 mins dont use it now because it allows the opponent to adjust at half time and it loses its effectiveness if you need to use it in the 2nd half. You wont see a H S coach make that mistake.
Coach Mullin is playing chess while you're playing checkers. He showed the zone precisely so that New Orleans would spend their entire halftime frantically drawing up plays to thwart the 2-3 and then he didn't use it again, thereby mooting their entire strategy. Classic black ops, I'm surprised you fell for it.
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Was at the NO game and saw some things we need to focus on, along with quite a few things to like. The ball moved crisply on offense, and, aside from a few instances with Bashir, our shots were open looks that came after good passes and in the flow of a very effective offense. Ponds had a few 3s rim out, but he looks great, and, along with Lovett, and Simon, gives us probably the strongest backcourt in the BE. In 2+ years, CM and company have assembled what will likely turn out to be St. John's best outside shooting team ever. Clark had a very efficient game and Owens played solidly in his 20 minutes or so. Yes, Yakwe was disappointing, but 8 minutes hardly represents a fair sample size to write him off for the rest of this season.
While our strength clearly is in our guards, I still think that our front court is athletic and versatile enough to complement them and play uptempo winning basketball, even with our rebounding deficiencies. We won the game handily and have the potential to grow and improve as a team. Why not play a few more games before we leap to judgment?
I cannot believe the negativity of many posters here. Are we going to spend the entire season relitigating Lavin's removal and openly rooting for CM to fail? It's clear that we've improved year over year, that the program is moving in the right direction, and that we don't yet know how good this team will be. We already will be adding front court strength next year in Keita, Roberts, and Diakite, and there's a good chance we add even more talent. Realistically, where did people think we would be at the start of Mullin's third year?
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If this year turns out to be a disaster, there will be some changes to the program.
Will there be any changes if the team only makes the NIT and/or if recruitment falls short?
Lavin was in a difficult position because a new President came in, while the President that hired him ended in scandal. Most of Lavin’s problems were caused by him. He might not have had a scandal ridden program, but it was certainly filled with drama. He set himself up for the school to make a fresh start.
The other interesting aspect to this is Gempeshaw five year contract is on the back end. Will the school renew him for another five years, or hire a new President? How would this affect the program, and the coaching staff going forward?
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I don't get the hate towards Bash after just one game. He is vitally important as the third scorer and shooter. We don't win more than 15 games without him. I expect him to improve quite a bit.
Agreed. We're going to rely on him heavily this year, especially in conference play.
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In 2+ years, CM and company have assembled what will likely turn out to be St. John's best outside shooting team ever.
I actually think we will end up losing a few games due to lack of outside shooting when Ahmed and Clark are cold. Bash makes for a great fourth option, but we don't have that one shooting specialist almost every great team does. Trimble might be that guy (he's already like 5 for 6), but it's too early to tell.
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last night I saw a major coaching mistake that probably went unnoticed. With 2 mins left in the half coach changed to a zone. If you haven't used it for 18 mins dont use it now because it allows the opponent to adjust at half time and it loses its effectiveness if you need to use it in the 2nd half. You wont see a H S coach make that mistake.
And it was a bad zone at that.
It couldn't have been that bad. We went on a 7-0 run to end the half.
The question should be, why didn't we stay in the zone (although, we did show it more in the second half)?
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The biggest problem as I see it so far is that Yakwe and Amar have been very ineffective. We essentially are going to have to rely on Bash, Owens and Clark at the 4 and 5 spots. Can not have Amar taking 3s and not rebounding and Yakwe is going to have to step up if he can. If not, we are just to thin up front. And yes you can blame the coaching staff for not recruiting 1 big for this year. Simon seems like he’s not the greatest shooter, but he is a slasher and has a descent inside game. Can also pass and defend. We are going to need rebounding and an inside game from Clark. He’s the strongest player on the team and we don’t have much alternatives. We only watched one regular season game, so must take that into consideration. Re; Bash, has to play in control, we are going to need him to play a lot of minutes. Infinitely better than Amar and Yakwe.
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Anybody see that jock dropping spin move almost carry and finish by Walden?
Clearly the play of the young season thus far? Will be tough to top.
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I don't get the hate towards Bash after just one game. He is vitally important as the third scorer and shooter. We don't win more than 15 games without him. I expect him to improve quite a bit.
It's not hate towards him. The team, as presently constructed, does not have very much room for error, as we all know. So when Bash makes terrible decisions, it just stands out - and they mostly result in 'unforced' errors.
A game has many facets, that teams are competing on. Crudely:
1. rebounds, defensive
2. rebounds, offensive (second chance points)
3. low post scoring,
4. free-three scoring,
5. three-point scoring
6. transition game, offense and defense
7. turnovers
8. blocked shots
9. assists (i.e. sharing the basket-ball smartly)
10. coaching
11. Foul trouble/bench - i.e. being able withstand foul trouble/injuries.
Against legit competition, we're almost certain to lose #1, 2 and 3. That means we have to win most of #4 through 11.
So when Bash makes bad decisions, it's adding to losing another bucket (or two)...
Basically, this is a gas-bag, long-winded way of saying we need him to play smart in order for the team to have a chance. The team definitely needs him. He hustles and he can shoot decently (I hope, his new form hasn't made his shooting worse). All the other starters played pretty smartly and passed the ball well. If Bash does the same thing, then it's a pretty potent starting-five. If he plays smartly, he's a lock for double-digit points each game. We want to him to score a lot.... We just want him to score the right way. His teammates will put him in a position to succeed, if he just trusts them and doesn't force it.
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The biggest problem as I see it so far is that Yakwe and Amar have been very ineffective. We essentially are going to have to rely on Bash, Owens and Clark at the 4 and 5 spots. Can not have Amar taking 3s and not rebounding and Yakwe is going to have to step up if he can. If not, we are just to thin up front. And yes you can blame the coaching staff for not recruiting 1 big for this year. Simon seems like he’s not the greatest shooter, but he is a slasher and has a descent inside game. Can also pass and defend. We are going to need rebounding and an inside game from Clark. He’s the strongest player on the team and we don’t have much alternatives. We only watched one regular season game, so must take that into consideration. Re; Bash, has to play in control, we are going to need him to play a lot of minutes. Infinitely better than Amar and Yakwe.
I have tried to defend and figure out Amar, but he must have the worst big man IQ in D1 hoops. Might by all three levels, I don't watch D2 or D3 to make a blanket statement. He's a 6' 8" legit w/ pounds on his frame. Should be a prototype 4 or a backup 5. Why he thinks he can hoist 3s as soon as he gets on the court is...its just headshaking.
Does Yakwe even like basketball? Does he enjoy the game, is he a student of the game? Again, just a mystery.
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last night I saw a major coaching mistake that probably went unnoticed. With 2 mins left in the half coach changed to a zone. If you haven't used it for 18 mins dont use it now because it allows the opponent to adjust at half time and it loses its effectiveness if you need to use it in the 2nd half. You wont see a H S coach make that mistake.
Coach Mullin is playing chess while you're playing checkers. He showed the zone precisely so that New Orleans would spend their entire halftime frantically drawing up plays to thwart the 2-3 and then he didn't use it again, thereby mooting their entire strategy. Classic black ops, I'm surprised you fell for it.
+1 Great reply!
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I don't get the hate towards Bash after just one game. He is vitally important as the third scorer and shooter. We don't win more than 15 games without him. I expect him to improve quite a bit.
It's not hate towards him. The team, as presently constructed, does not have very much room for error, as we all know. So when Bash makes terrible decisions, it just stands - and it mostly results in an unforced error.
A game has many facets, that teams are competing on. Crudely:
1. rebounds, defensive
2. rebounds, offensive (second chance points)
3. low post scoring,
4. free-three scoring,
5. three-point scoring
6. transition game, offense and defense
7. turnovers
8. blocked shots
9. assists (i.e. sharing the basket-ball smartly)
10. coaching
11. Foul trouble/bench - i.e. being able withstand foul trouble/injuries.
Against legit competition, we're almost certain to lose #1, 2 and 3. That means we have to win mostly on 4 through 11.
So when Bash makes bad decisions, it's adding to losing another bucket (or two)...
Basically, this is a gas-bag, long-winded way of saying we need him to play smart in order for the team to have a chance. The team definitely needs him. He hustles and he can shoot decently (I hope, with this new form). All the other starters played pretty smartly and passed the ball well. If Bash does the same thing, then it's a pretty potent starting-five. If he plays smartly, he's a lock for double-digit points each game. We want to him to score a lot.... We just want him to score the right way. His teammates will put him in a position to succeed, if he just trusts them and doesn't force it.
Bash is a decent player who has some shortcomings. What you see is what you'll get for the entire season. He MIGHT have a game or two where he dominates an opponent. He'll never be a player who puts the team on his back. He isn't killing us and there's no one better waiting in the wings.
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Re AliB & Yakwe:
How is it that you’re a senior and a junior and D3, Rutgers and New Orleans and you haven’t learned how to post up your man? You haven’t learned when and how to box out? You never know where the ball should go next once it’s passed to you. You haven’t learned to move your feet on d, get to the spot, securely establish position, and draw a charge? These two need a basketball education that they haven’t gotten yet.
The question is, why not? It’s not always the coach. It usually is, but remember Zendon didn’t listen to Mahoney or Frascilla and shockingly, ended up on the bench.
In terms of Ahmed, I think he was trying too hard to force offense. He was too amped up. It’s his senior year, and he wants to make an impact so the NBA, or some European team comes calling. Mullin and the staff have to focus him on the team game. We saw how beautifully it worked when Ponds and LoVett and Simon worked the ball around to Ahmed in the corner for an open 3. That’s the potential of this team if they move the ball like that. Once Ahmed checked his head into the game we pulled away. LoVett, Ponds, Simon, Clark and Ahmed should to be too much for any team we play before the BE.
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My takes:
Clark-Exactly what this team has needed. Lamont Middleton, Anthony Glover type. Ideally would be a 4 paired with Owens. Going to struggle defensively and on the boards at the 5. Clark, Ahmed and Simon are the only proof that ST John's has a weight room.
Ahmed-Same guy. 50/50 player. If he does 5 things right in a game will do 5 things poorly. Best fit would be for him to come off the bench as an energy / scorer. My remote controls remain in danger.
Simon- going to be a really good player for us. Basically everything we hoped Ellison and before him Reggie Jessie could be.
Lovett- apologies to Marillac but our best player and shooter. Not that it should be a competition but if we need a basket he would be my #1 choice.
Ponds- Fun to watch. By time he is done will be our all time leading scorer. He is not really a one or a two but who cares. Should be here for 4 years.
Owens-I would love to see him start paired with Clark. Best rebounder and shot blocker plus doesn't have bad touch. I think he lost weight from last year. He should write a diet book for super models on how to keep the weight off.
Yakwe- I am pretty sure he is our first case of an upcoming zombie apocalypse. Do we know if he randomly tries to bite his teammates? I mean this can't be the same guy from 2 years ago, right? This guy stinks. Has to be a zombie no? If Vegas was laying odds on our annual in season transfer trend continuing, Yakwe would be odds on favorite.
Alibegovic- If Robin Williams were still alive he would constantly be telling him "it's not your fault." It is not your fault." It is not his fault that 2 different coaches have recruited so poorly that Amar constantly finds himself a part of a major conference team's rotation. Fret not 15 and 8 performance will come out of nowhere at some point against a good team.
Trimble- I am really going to enjoy the Trimble experience. Weirdest body type for a guard that we have ever had. Not a bad looking jumper combined with the Super Freak do will make him a WASJU favorite.
Mullin- I love Chris Mullin and I am in the camp that no matter what happens he coaches as long as he wishes too. So with that being said, you couldn't grab a 6-8 guy who has eaten a cheeseburger within the last year that could help out down low and give you 5-10 mins a game somewhere? Anywhere?
Season prediction- Going to be fun to watch, but will get frustrating watching teams play volley ball off the boards with us. Lack of rebounding leaves too little room for error. Going to have to come down from my original prediction and go with 17 or 18 wins and NIT berth.
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"Lovett- apologies to Marillac but our best player and shooter. Not that it should be a competition but if we need a basket he would be my #1 choice."
'Mullin- I love Chris Mullin and I am in the camp that no matter what happens he coaches as long as he wishes too.'
Ata boy Wasju. We're always on the same page.
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"Lovett- apologies to Marillac but our best player and shooter. Not that it should be a competition but if we need a basket he would be my #1 choice."
'Mullin- I love Chris Mullin and I am in the camp that no matter what happens he coaches as long as he wishes too.'
Ata boy Wasju. We're always on the same page.
You're both on the wrong page this time.
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"Lovett- apologies to Marillac but our best player and shooter. Not that it should be a competition but if we need a basket he would be my #1 choice."
'Mullin- I love Chris Mullin and I am in the camp that no matter what happens he coaches as long as he wishes too.'
Ata boy Wasju. We're always on the same page.
You're both on the wrong page this time.
Agree
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"Lovett- apologies to Marillac but our best player and shooter. Not that it should be a competition but if we need a basket he would be my #1 choice."
'Mullin- I love Chris Mullin and I am in the camp that no matter what happens he coaches as long as he wishes too.'
Ata boy Wasju. We're always on the same page.
You're both on the wrong page this time.
Page needs to be ripped out of the book. ;)
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Lovett shoots a real jump shot and body little stronger at this point in going to basket. If we needed a basket I trust Lovett first. I like Ponds and we actually have two legit first team BE players. Don't really understand why there should be an argument on who is better?? If game on line I trust Lovett more.
Mullin thing is easy. People were defending Norm Roberts after his 4th year. Norm gets 5 years or whatever it was-seemed like 100- Mullin gets life!
If Mullin thing doesn't work out program is starting over. School fires Chris Mullin..... well that is going to set program back to Norm days. You are not getting a name coach in here. Mid major coach or some "hot" assistant going comes in, well just be prepared for our 1,000th rebuild since Louie retired. No thanks!
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Lovett shoots a real jump shot and body little stronger at this point in going to basket. If we needed a basket I trust Lovett first. I like Ponds and we actually have two legit first team BE players. Don't really understand why there should be an argument on who is better?? If game on line I trust Lovett more.
Mullin thing is easy. People were defending Norm Roberts after his 4th year. Norm gets 5 years or whatever it was-seemed like 100- Mullin gets life!
If Mullin thing doesn't work out program is starting over. School fires Chris Mullin..... well that is going to set program back to Norm days. You are not getting a name coach in here. Mid major coach or some "hot" assistant going comes in, well just be prepared for our 1,000th rebuild since Louie retired. No thanks!
Your smarter than that, there are a number of ways the school and Chris can announce a parting of the ways without an out and out firing if it even comes to that. Hopefully it won't, but if things aren't working well after 5 years have to at least demand changes to staff.
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Lovett shoots a real jump shot and body little stronger at this point in going to basket. If we needed a basket I trust Lovett first. I like Ponds and we actually have two legit first team BE players. Don't really understand why there should be an argument on who is better?? If game on line I trust Lovett more.
Mullin thing is easy. People were defending Norm Roberts after his 4th year. Norm gets 5 years or whatever it was-seemed like 100- Mullin gets life!
If Mullin thing doesn't work out program is starting over. School fires Chris Mullin..... well that is going to set program back to Norm days. You are not getting a name coach in here. Mid major coach or some "hot" assistant going comes in, well just be prepared for our 1,000th rebuild since Louie retired. No thanks!
Your smarter than that, there are a number of ways the school and Chris can announce a parting of the ways without an out and out firing if it even comes to that. Hopefully it won't, but if things aren't working well after 5 years have to at least demand changes to staff.
If this doesn't work out and we go in yet another direction, Norm years will look like the "Glory Days" of the program. Who do you think the school will hire? Unless you are drinking the Hurley Kool Aid. This really needs to work out and since he is Chris Mullin. And yes 2 years and 1 game seems to be a little premature on the bitching!
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Lovett shoots a real jump shot and body little stronger at this point in going to basket. If we needed a basket I trust Lovett first. I like Ponds and we actually have two legit first team BE players. Don't really understand why there should be an argument on who is better?? If game on line I trust Lovett more.
Mullin thing is easy. People were defending Norm Roberts after his 4th year. Norm gets 5 years or whatever it was-seemed like 100- Mullin gets life!
If Mullin thing doesn't work out program is starting over. School fires Chris Mullin..... well that is going to set program back to Norm days. You are not getting a name coach in here. Mid major coach or some "hot" assistant going comes in, well just be prepared for our 1,000th rebuild since Louie retired. No thanks!
What good is a Lovett layup if falls to the floor every time and gives the opponent a 5-4 or 5-3 advantage? Ponds is also the better shooter and can score any way imaginable.
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Lovett shoots a real jump shot and body little stronger at this point in going to basket. If we needed a basket I trust Lovett first. I like Ponds and we actually have two legit first team BE players. Don't really understand why there should be an argument on who is better?? If game on line I trust Lovett more.
Mullin thing is easy. People were defending Norm Roberts after his 4th year. Norm gets 5 years or whatever it was-seemed like 100- Mullin gets life!
If Mullin thing doesn't work out program is starting over. School fires Chris Mullin..... well that is going to set program back to Norm days. You are not getting a name coach in here. Mid major coach or some "hot" assistant going comes in, well just be prepared for our 1,000th rebuild since Louie retired. No thanks!
Your smarter than that, there are a number of ways the school and Chris can announce a parting of the ways without an out and out firing if it even comes to that. Hopefully it won't, but if things aren't working well after 5 years have to at least demand changes to staff.
If this doesn't work out and we go in yet another direction, Norm years will look like the "Glory Days" of the program. Who do you think the school will hire? Unless you are drinking the Hurley Kool Aid. This really needs to work out and since he is Chris Mullin. And yes 2 years and 1 game seems to be a little premature on the bitching!
Guess you didn't read my post based on your irrelevant response.
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Lovett shoots a real jump shot and body little stronger at this point in going to basket. If we needed a basket I trust Lovett first. I like Ponds and we actually have two legit first team BE players. Don't really understand why there should be an argument on who is better?? If game on line I trust Lovett more.
Mullin thing is easy. People were defending Norm Roberts after his 4th year. Norm gets 5 years or whatever it was-seemed like 100- Mullin gets life!
If Mullin thing doesn't work out program is starting over. School fires Chris Mullin..... well that is going to set program back to Norm days. You are not getting a name coach in here. Mid major coach or some "hot" assistant going comes in, well just be prepared for our 1,000th rebuild since Louie retired. No thanks!
Your smarter than that, there are a number of ways the school and Chris can announce a parting of the ways without an out and out firing if it even comes to that. Hopefully it won't, but if things aren't working well after 5 years have to at least demand changes to staff.
If this doesn't work out and we go in yet another direction, Norm years will look like the "Glory Days" of the program. Who do you think the school will hire? Unless you are drinking the Hurley Kool Aid. This really needs to work out and since he is Chris Mullin. And yes 2 years and 1 game seems to be a little premature on the bitching!
Guess you didn't read my post based on your irrelevant response.
Yeah. However you phrase it if this doesn't work out program in trouble. That was in direct response to your email.
Yes in 5 years if we stink it would make sense for them to make him hire a bench coach. George Blaney might be dead by then though. Should have hired one this year but honestly recruiting seems to be the bigger problem and everyone on here loves Matt Abelaoaiaoaiaoish so not sure how much effect that would have.