6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: johnniesfilmmaker on January 22, 2018, 02:20:52 PM
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NBADraft.net has Shamorie Ponds as the last pick of the 2019 NBA Draft. I personally think that's way too low and I truly believe he could be picked in the 12-17 range by next season.
I think there are two solid comparisons for Ponds. Kris Dunn and Kemba Walker. I think both are a bit more explosive than Ponds but Ponds has a very crafty and agile athleticism. He has a great mid-range jump shot and he has a lot of dribble drive moves. He's an underrated passer and defender. I personally think he's a better passer and rebounder than Kemba was as a sophomore and junior but Kemba was a better scorer.
However, I don't think Shamorie is far off. I think what's hurt Shamorie's three ball this year was them trying to get him to play off ball and letting Lovett and Simon be more of the ball handlers. I think Shamorie needs the ball in his hand and he needs to create. If he can work on that and develop his ability to hit catch and shoot 3's, I think he could be, at least, a 35% shooter from 3. The other thing he'll need to work on is adding a little more muscle and focusing on drawing contact when he gets to the rim. He needs to know when and how to draw more fouls to get to the line.
His usage rate is almost where Kemba's was as a junior and Ponds has the same turnover% that Kemba had as a junior.
Shamorie has a Kyrie/Isaiah Thomas like ability to use the glass while driving (he isn't Kyrie and Isaiah is more athletic) and his ability to stop on a dime and hit a mid-range jumper is key. If he can add a floater, become a better off-ball player (look at the 3 he missed against Georgetown and then the one he hit), and learn how to draw contact more, he could be a dynamic player in the NBA. I think Kemba Walker would be his ceiling.
But maybe I'm biased. What do you guys think?
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NBADraft.net has Shamorie Ponds as the last pick of the 2019 NBA Draft. I personally think that's way too low and I truly believe he could be picked in the 12-17 range by next season.
I think there are two solid comparisons for Ponds. Kris Dunn and Kemba Walker. I think both are a bit more explosive than Ponds but Ponds has a very crafty and agile athleticism. He has a great mid-range jump shot and he has a lot of dribble drive moves. He's an underrated passer and defender. I personally think he's a better passer and rebounder than Kemba was as a sophomore and junior but Kemba was a better scorer.
However, I don't think Shamorie is far off. I think what's hurt Shamorie's three ball this year was them trying to get him to play off ball and letting Lovett and Simon be more of the ball handlers. I think Shamorie needs the ball in his hand and he needs to create. If he can work on that and develop his ability to hit catch and shoot 3's, I think he could be, at least, a 35% shooter from 3. The other thing he'll need to work on is adding a little more muscle and focusing on drawing contact when he gets to the rim. He needs to know when and how to draw more fouls to get to the line.
His usage rate is almost where Kemba's was as a junior and Ponds has the same turnover% that Kemba had as a junior.
Shamorie has a Kyrie/Isaiah Thomas like ability to use the glass while driving (he isn't Kyrie and Isaiah is more athletic) and his ability to stop on a dime and hit a mid-range jumper is key. If he can add a floater, become a better off-ball player (look at the 3 he missed against Georgetown and then the one he hit), and learn how to draw contact more, he could be a dynamic player in the NBA. I think Kemba Walker would be his ceiling.
But maybe I'm biased. What do you guys think?
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NBADraft.net has Shamorie Ponds as the last pick of the 2019 NBA Draft. I personally think that's way too low and I truly believe he could be picked in the 12-17 range by next season.
I think there are two solid comparisons for Ponds. Kris Dunn and Kemba Walker. I think both are a bit more explosive than Ponds but Ponds has a very crafty and agile athleticism. He has a great mid-range jump shot and he has a lot of dribble drive moves. He's an underrated passer and defender. I personally think he's a better passer and rebounder than Kemba was as a sophomore and junior but Kemba was a better scorer.
However, I don't think Shamorie is far off. I think what's hurt Shamorie's three ball this year was them trying to get him to play off ball and letting Lovett and Simon be more of the ball handlers. I think Shamorie needs the ball in his hand and he needs to create. If he can work on that and develop his ability to hit catch and shoot 3's, I think he could be, at least, a 35% shooter from 3. The other thing he'll need to work on is adding a little more muscle and focusing on drawing contact when he gets to the rim. He needs to know when and how to draw more fouls to get to the line.
His usage rate is almost where Kemba's was as a junior and Ponds has the same turnover% that Kemba had as a junior.
Shamorie has a Kyrie/Isaiah Thomas like ability to use the glass while driving (he isn't Kyrie and Isaiah is more athletic) and his ability to stop on a dime and hit a mid-range jumper is key. If he can add a floater, become a better off-ball player (look at the 3 he missed against Georgetown and then the one he hit), and learn how to draw contact more, he could be a dynamic player in the NBA. I think Kemba Walker would be his ceiling.
But maybe I'm biased. What do you guys think?
Crack is a really powerful drug kids
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NBADraft.net has Shamorie Ponds as the last pick of the 2019 NBA Draft. I personally think that's way too low and I truly believe he could be picked in the 12-17 range by next season.
I think there are two solid comparisons for Ponds. Kris Dunn and Kemba Walker. I think both are a bit more explosive than Ponds but Ponds has a very crafty and agile athleticism. He has a great mid-range jump shot and he has a lot of dribble drive moves. He's an underrated passer and defender. I personally think he's a better passer and rebounder than Kemba was as a sophomore and junior but Kemba was a better scorer.
However, I don't think Shamorie is far off. I think what's hurt Shamorie's three ball this year was them trying to get him to play off ball and letting Lovett and Simon be more of the ball handlers. I think Shamorie needs the ball in his hand and he needs to create. If he can work on that and develop his ability to hit catch and shoot 3's, I think he could be, at least, a 35% shooter from 3. The other thing he'll need to work on is adding a little more muscle and focusing on drawing contact when he gets to the rim. He needs to know when and how to draw more fouls to get to the line.
His usage rate is almost where Kemba's was as a junior and Ponds has the same turnover% that Kemba had as a junior.
Shamorie has a Kyrie/Isaiah Thomas like ability to use the glass while driving (he isn't Kyrie and Isaiah is more athletic) and his ability to stop on a dime and hit a mid-range jumper is key. If he can add a floater, become a better off-ball player (look at the 3 he missed against Georgetown and then the one he hit), and learn how to draw contact more, he could be a dynamic player in the NBA. I think Kemba Walker would be his ceiling.
But maybe I'm biased. What do you guys think?
I'm sure NBA scouts are drooling at the prospect of taking a guard who is undersized, subpar on defense, and shoots under 20% from the 3 pt arc....
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NBADraft.net has Shamorie Ponds as the last pick of the 2019 NBA Draft. I personally think that's way too low and I truly believe he could be picked in the 12-17 range by next season.
I think there are two solid comparisons for Ponds. Kris Dunn and Kemba Walker. I think both are a bit more explosive than Ponds but Ponds has a very crafty and agile athleticism. He has a great mid-range jump shot and he has a lot of dribble drive moves. He's an underrated passer and defender. I personally think he's a better passer and rebounder than Kemba was as a sophomore and junior but Kemba was a better scorer.
However, I don't think Shamorie is far off. I think what's hurt Shamorie's three ball this year was them trying to get him to play off ball and letting Lovett and Simon be more of the ball handlers. I think Shamorie needs the ball in his hand and he needs to create. If he can work on that and develop his ability to hit catch and shoot 3's, I think he could be, at least, a 35% shooter from 3. The other thing he'll need to work on is adding a little more muscle and focusing on drawing contact when he gets to the rim. He needs to know when and how to draw more fouls to get to the line.
His usage rate is almost where Kemba's was as a junior and Ponds has the same turnover% that Kemba had as a junior.
Shamorie has a Kyrie/Isaiah Thomas like ability to use the glass while driving (he isn't Kyrie and Isaiah is more athletic) and his ability to stop on a dime and hit a mid-range jumper is key. If he can add a floater, become a better off-ball player (look at the 3 he missed against Georgetown and then the one he hit), and learn how to draw contact more, he could be a dynamic player in the NBA. I think Kemba Walker would be his ceiling.
But maybe I'm biased. What do you guys think?
I'm the biggest Ponds fan going but Dunn and Walker are bad comps. Both are super athletes while Ponds is above average. And Dunn is like 6'3 225. Ponds seems to be more in the Mo Williams and Seth Curry category with a poor man's Steph Curry as his ceiling if his skills develop.
You can have your opinions on who was better between our guards the last 20 years, but Ponds is the best NBA guard prospect we've had in the 21st century. Better than Barkley and Cook and certainly better than Hatten, Hardy, and Harrison.
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NBADraft.net has Shamorie Ponds as the last pick of the 2019 NBA Draft. I personally think that's way too low and I truly believe he could be picked in the 12-17 range by next season.
I think there are two solid comparisons for Ponds. Kris Dunn and Kemba Walker. I think both are a bit more explosive than Ponds but Ponds has a very crafty and agile athleticism. He has a great mid-range jump shot and he has a lot of dribble drive moves. He's an underrated passer and defender. I personally think he's a better passer and rebounder than Kemba was as a sophomore and junior but Kemba was a better scorer.
However, I don't think Shamorie is far off. I think what's hurt Shamorie's three ball this year was them trying to get him to play off ball and letting Lovett and Simon be more of the ball handlers. I think Shamorie needs the ball in his hand and he needs to create. If he can work on that and develop his ability to hit catch and shoot 3's, I think he could be, at least, a 35% shooter from 3. The other thing he'll need to work on is adding a little more muscle and focusing on drawing contact when he gets to the rim. He needs to know when and how to draw more fouls to get to the line.
His usage rate is almost where Kemba's was as a junior and Ponds has the same turnover% that Kemba had as a junior.
Shamorie has a Kyrie/Isaiah Thomas like ability to use the glass while driving (he isn't Kyrie and Isaiah is more athletic) and his ability to stop on a dime and hit a mid-range jumper is key. If he can add a floater, become a better off-ball player (look at the 3 he missed against Georgetown and then the one he hit), and learn how to draw contact more, he could be a dynamic player in the NBA. I think Kemba Walker would be his ceiling.
But maybe I'm biased. What do you guys think?
I'm the biggest Ponds fan going but Dunn and Walker are bad comps. Both are super athletes while Ponds is above average. And Dunn is like 6'3 225. Ponds seems to be more in the Mo Williams and Seth Curry category with a poor man's Steph Curry as his ceiling if his skills develop.
You can have your opinions on who was better between our guards the last 20 years, but Ponds is the best NBA guard prospect we've had in the 21st century. Better than Barkley and Cook and certainly better than Hatten, Hardy, and Harrison.
Steph Curry?
If he develops his skills? You mean if he can develop his shooting skills from 19% from college line to that of the best shooter on the planet.
That would be like asking a guy with a 5 inch penis to develop his penis to be Dirk Diggler size. Not happening!
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NBADraft.net has Shamorie Ponds as the last pick of the 2019 NBA Draft. I personally think that's way too low and I truly believe he could be picked in the 12-17 range by next season.
I think there are two solid comparisons for Ponds. Kris Dunn and Kemba Walker. I think both are a bit more explosive than Ponds but Ponds has a very crafty and agile athleticism. He has a great mid-range jump shot and he has a lot of dribble drive moves. He's an underrated passer and defender. I personally think he's a better passer and rebounder than Kemba was as a sophomore and junior but Kemba was a better scorer.
However, I don't think Shamorie is far off. I think what's hurt Shamorie's three ball this year was them trying to get him to play off ball and letting Lovett and Simon be more of the ball handlers. I think Shamorie needs the ball in his hand and he needs to create. If he can work on that and develop his ability to hit catch and shoot 3's, I think he could be, at least, a 35% shooter from 3. The other thing he'll need to work on is adding a little more muscle and focusing on drawing contact when he gets to the rim. He needs to know when and how to draw more fouls to get to the line.
His usage rate is almost where Kemba's was as a junior and Ponds has the same turnover% that Kemba had as a junior.
Shamorie has a Kyrie/Isaiah Thomas like ability to use the glass while driving (he isn't Kyrie and Isaiah is more athletic) and his ability to stop on a dime and hit a mid-range jumper is key. If he can add a floater, become a better off-ball player (look at the 3 he missed against Georgetown and then the one he hit), and learn how to draw contact more, he could be a dynamic player in the NBA. I think Kemba Walker would be his ceiling.
But maybe I'm biased. What do you guys think?
I'm sure NBA scouts are drooling at the prospect of taking a guard who is undersized, subpar on defense, and shoots under 20% from the 3 pt arc....
How about a 90% FT shooter that can score at every level with perfect touch on his passes and elite NBA vision? Get this kid a capable ball handler to play with and he will be draining threes all over the court. He is going to be a plus plus NBA shooter that can get into his shot from any spot inside the half court in one dribble.
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NBADraft.net has Shamorie Ponds as the last pick of the 2019 NBA Draft. I personally think that's way too low and I truly believe he could be picked in the 12-17 range by next season.
I think there are two solid comparisons for Ponds. Kris Dunn and Kemba Walker. I think both are a bit more explosive than Ponds but Ponds has a very crafty and agile athleticism. He has a great mid-range jump shot and he has a lot of dribble drive moves. He's an underrated passer and defender. I personally think he's a better passer and rebounder than Kemba was as a sophomore and junior but Kemba was a better scorer.
However, I don't think Shamorie is far off. I think what's hurt Shamorie's three ball this year was them trying to get him to play off ball and letting Lovett and Simon be more of the ball handlers. I think Shamorie needs the ball in his hand and he needs to create. If he can work on that and develop his ability to hit catch and shoot 3's, I think he could be, at least, a 35% shooter from 3. The other thing he'll need to work on is adding a little more muscle and focusing on drawing contact when he gets to the rim. He needs to know when and how to draw more fouls to get to the line.
His usage rate is almost where Kemba's was as a junior and Ponds has the same turnover% that Kemba had as a junior.
Shamorie has a Kyrie/Isaiah Thomas like ability to use the glass while driving (he isn't Kyrie and Isaiah is more athletic) and his ability to stop on a dime and hit a mid-range jumper is key. If he can add a floater, become a better off-ball player (look at the 3 he missed against Georgetown and then the one he hit), and learn how to draw contact more, he could be a dynamic player in the NBA. I think Kemba Walker would be his ceiling.
But maybe I'm biased. What do you guys think?
I'm the biggest Ponds fan going but Dunn and Walker are bad comps. Both are super athletes while Ponds is above average. And Dunn is like 6'3 225. Ponds seems to be more in the Mo Williams and Seth Curry category with a poor man's Steph Curry as his ceiling if his skills develop.
You can have your opinions on who was better between our guards the last 20 years, but Ponds is the best NBA guard prospect we've had in the 21st century. Better than Barkley and Cook and certainly better than Hatten, Hardy, and Harrison.
Steph Curry?
If he develops his skills? You mean if he can develop his shooting skills from 19% from college line to that of the best shooter on the planet.
That would be like asking a guy with a 5 inch penis to develop his penis to be Dirk Diggler size. Not happening!
He shot 38% last year on 6 attempts per game. He can't do it alone. Look at his FT % when he doesn't have to rely on the trash he shares a roster with. You're not that dumb WASJU. You know he has no support.
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You can have your opinions on who was better between our guards the last 20 years, but Ponds is the best NBA guard prospect we've had in the 21st century. Better than Barkley and Cook and certainly better than Hatten, Hardy, and Harrison.
I don't think anybody would disagree with this but not really a high bar to clear there, and he's not head and shoulders above Barkley and Cook. His lack of supreme athleticism is going to hurt him and he's got no shot if he doesn't considerably improve his 3 point %
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NBADraft.net has Shamorie Ponds as the last pick of the 2019 NBA Draft. I personally think that's way too low and I truly believe he could be picked in the 12-17 range by next season.
I think there are two solid comparisons for Ponds. Kris Dunn and Kemba Walker. I think both are a bit more explosive than Ponds but Ponds has a very crafty and agile athleticism. He has a great mid-range jump shot and he has a lot of dribble drive moves. He's an underrated passer and defender. I personally think he's a better passer and rebounder than Kemba was as a sophomore and junior but Kemba was a better scorer.
However, I don't think Shamorie is far off. I think what's hurt Shamorie's three ball this year was them trying to get him to play off ball and letting Lovett and Simon be more of the ball handlers. I think Shamorie needs the ball in his hand and he needs to create. If he can work on that and develop his ability to hit catch and shoot 3's, I think he could be, at least, a 35% shooter from 3. The other thing he'll need to work on is adding a little more muscle and focusing on drawing contact when he gets to the rim. He needs to know when and how to draw more fouls to get to the line.
His usage rate is almost where Kemba's was as a junior and Ponds has the same turnover% that Kemba had as a junior.
Shamorie has a Kyrie/Isaiah Thomas like ability to use the glass while driving (he isn't Kyrie and Isaiah is more athletic) and his ability to stop on a dime and hit a mid-range jumper is key. If he can add a floater, become a better off-ball player (look at the 3 he missed against Georgetown and then the one he hit), and learn how to draw contact more, he could be a dynamic player in the NBA. I think Kemba Walker would be his ceiling.
But maybe I'm biased. What do you guys think?
I'm the biggest Ponds fan going but Dunn and Walker are bad comps. Both are super athletes while Ponds is above average. And Dunn is like 6'3 225. Ponds seems to be more in the Mo Williams and Seth Curry category with a poor man's Steph Curry as his ceiling if his skills develop.
You can have your opinions on who was better between our guards the last 20 years, but Ponds is the best NBA guard prospect we've had in the 21st century. Better than Barkley and Cook and certainly better than Hatten, Hardy, and Harrison.
Steph Curry?
If he develops his skills? You mean if he can develop his shooting skills from 19% from college line to that of the best shooter on the planet.
That would be like asking a guy with a 5 inch penis to develop his penis to be Dirk Diggler size. Not happening!
He shot 38% last year on 6 attempts per game. He can't do it alone. Look at his FT % when he doesn't have to rely on the trash he shares a roster with. You're not that dumb WASJU. You know he has no support.
He plays with better guys than Curry ever did.
Curry lifetime in college 47%, 41 %, 88%
Ponds career so far 42%, 31%, 83%
Can't believe we are discussing this.
Dave had best comparison when Ponds was coming in to school, "Poor man's Cuttino Mobley"
Mobley was listed at 6-4 though.
BTW Mobley shot 44%, 35%, 82%
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Barkley was a much better defender. Also had better PG skills. Certainly not as good of a shooter or scorer. How many skinny off guards out there
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NBADraft.net has Shamorie Ponds as the last pick of the 2019 NBA Draft. I personally think that's way too low and I truly believe he could be picked in the 12-17 range by next season.
I think there are two solid comparisons for Ponds. Kris Dunn and Kemba Walker. I think both are a bit more explosive than Ponds but Ponds has a very crafty and agile athleticism. He has a great mid-range jump shot and he has a lot of dribble drive moves. He's an underrated passer and defender. I personally think he's a better passer and rebounder than Kemba was as a sophomore and junior but Kemba was a better scorer.
However, I don't think Shamorie is far off. I think what's hurt Shamorie's three ball this year was them trying to get him to play off ball and letting Lovett and Simon be more of the ball handlers. I think Shamorie needs the ball in his hand and he needs to create. If he can work on that and develop his ability to hit catch and shoot 3's, I think he could be, at least, a 35% shooter from 3. The other thing he'll need to work on is adding a little more muscle and focusing on drawing contact when he gets to the rim. He needs to know when and how to draw more fouls to get to the line.
His usage rate is almost where Kemba's was as a junior and Ponds has the same turnover% that Kemba had as a junior.
Shamorie has a Kyrie/Isaiah Thomas like ability to use the glass while driving (he isn't Kyrie and Isaiah is more athletic) and his ability to stop on a dime and hit a mid-range jumper is key. If he can add a floater, become a better off-ball player (look at the 3 he missed against Georgetown and then the one he hit), and learn how to draw contact more, he could be a dynamic player in the NBA. I think Kemba Walker would be his ceiling.
But maybe I'm biased. What do you guys think?
I'm the biggest Ponds fan going but Dunn and Walker are bad comps. Both are super athletes while Ponds is above average. And Dunn is like 6'3 225. Ponds seems to be more in the Mo Williams and Seth Curry category with a poor man's Steph Curry as his ceiling if his skills develop.
You can have your opinions on who was better between our guards the last 20 years, but Ponds is the best NBA guard prospect we've had in the 21st century. Better than Barkley and Cook and certainly better than Hatten, Hardy, and Harrison.
Steph Curry?
If he develops his skills? You mean if he can develop his shooting skills from 19% from college line to that of the best shooter on the planet.
That would be like asking a guy with a 5 inch penis to develop his penis to be Dirk Diggler size. Not happening!
He shot 38% last year on 6 attempts per game. He can't do it alone. Look at his FT % when he doesn't have to rely on the trash he shares a roster with. You're not that dumb WASJU. You know he has no support.
He plays with better guys than Curry ever did.
Curry lifetime in college 47%, 41 %, 88%
Ponds career so far 42%, 31%, 83%
Can't believe we are discussing this.
Dave had best comparison when Ponds was coming in to school, "Poor man's Cuttino Mobley"
Mobley was listed at 6-4 though.
BTW Mobley shot 44%, 35%, 82%
That whole Davidson team could dribble and pass. Not one of his teammates can on SJU. Ponds is a sharp shooter. It's crazy to me that you can't see past this slump while he plays without a capabale second ball hander. He'll be near 40% next year on 7 attempts and I'll pull this thread up.
He'd eat up Trevon Duval if the squads were even close to even...probably with them as they are too.
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Barkley was a much better defender. Also had better PG skills. Certainly not as good of a shooter or scorer. How many skinny off guards out there
He was also 30. Ponds has an exponentially higher PG ceiling than Barkley. I like the idea of him on the Knicks with Frank the tank.
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NBADraft.net has Shamorie Ponds as the last pick of the 2019 NBA Draft. I personally think that's way too low and I truly believe he could be picked in the 12-17 range by next season.
I think there are two solid comparisons for Ponds. Kris Dunn and Kemba Walker. I think both are a bit more explosive than Ponds but Ponds has a very crafty and agile athleticism. He has a great mid-range jump shot and he has a lot of dribble drive moves. He's an underrated passer and defender. I personally think he's a better passer and rebounder than Kemba was as a sophomore and junior but Kemba was a better scorer.
However, I don't think Shamorie is far off. I think what's hurt Shamorie's three ball this year was them trying to get him to play off ball and letting Lovett and Simon be more of the ball handlers. I think Shamorie needs the ball in his hand and he needs to create. If he can work on that and develop his ability to hit catch and shoot 3's, I think he could be, at least, a 35% shooter from 3. The other thing he'll need to work on is adding a little more muscle and focusing on drawing contact when he gets to the rim. He needs to know when and how to draw more fouls to get to the line.
His usage rate is almost where Kemba's was as a junior and Ponds has the same turnover% that Kemba had as a junior.
Shamorie has a Kyrie/Isaiah Thomas like ability to use the glass while driving (he isn't Kyrie and Isaiah is more athletic) and his ability to stop on a dime and hit a mid-range jumper is key. If he can add a floater, become a better off-ball player (look at the 3 he missed against Georgetown and then the one he hit), and learn how to draw contact more, he could be a dynamic player in the NBA. I think Kemba Walker would be his ceiling.
But maybe I'm biased. What do you guys think?
I'm the biggest Ponds fan going but Dunn and Walker are bad comps. Both are super athletes while Ponds is above average. And Dunn is like 6'3 225. Ponds seems to be more in the Mo Williams and Seth Curry category with a poor man's Steph Curry as his ceiling if his skills develop.
You can have your opinions on who was better between our guards the last 20 years, but Ponds is the best NBA guard prospect we've had in the 21st century. Better than Barkley and Cook and certainly better than Hatten, Hardy, and Harrison.
Steph Curry?
If he develops his skills? You mean if he can develop his shooting skills from 19% from college line to that of the best shooter on the planet.
That would be like asking a guy with a 5 inch penis to develop his penis to be Dirk Diggler size. Not happening!
He shot 38% last year on 6 attempts per game. He can't do it alone. Look at his FT % when he doesn't have to rely on the trash he shares a roster with. You're not that dumb WASJU. You know he has no support.
He plays with better guys than Curry ever did.
Curry lifetime in college 47%, 41 %, 88%
Ponds career so far 42%, 31%, 83%
Can't believe we are discussing this.
Dave had best comparison when Ponds was coming in to school, "Poor man's Cuttino Mobley"
Mobley was listed at 6-4 though.
BTW Mobley shot 44%, 35%, 82%
That whole Davidson team could dribble and pass. Not one of his teammates can on SJU. Ponds is a sharp shooter. It's crazy to me that you can't see past this slump while he plays without a capabale second ball hander. He'll be near 40% next year on 7 attempts and I'll pull this thread up.
He'd eat up Trevon Duval if the squads were even close to even...probably with them as they are too.
So you have moved on from Hardy and Hatten comparisons to Steph Curry and you don't think you have gone a little cuckoo bananas?
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NBADraft.net has Shamorie Ponds as the last pick of the 2019 NBA Draft. I personally think that's way too low and I truly believe he could be picked in the 12-17 range by next season.
I think there are two solid comparisons for Ponds. Kris Dunn and Kemba Walker. I think both are a bit more explosive than Ponds but Ponds has a very crafty and agile athleticism. He has a great mid-range jump shot and he has a lot of dribble drive moves. He's an underrated passer and defender. I personally think he's a better passer and rebounder than Kemba was as a sophomore and junior but Kemba was a better scorer.
However, I don't think Shamorie is far off. I think what's hurt Shamorie's three ball this year was them trying to get him to play off ball and letting Lovett and Simon be more of the ball handlers. I think Shamorie needs the ball in his hand and he needs to create. If he can work on that and develop his ability to hit catch and shoot 3's, I think he could be, at least, a 35% shooter from 3. The other thing he'll need to work on is adding a little more muscle and focusing on drawing contact when he gets to the rim. He needs to know when and how to draw more fouls to get to the line.
His usage rate is almost where Kemba's was as a junior and Ponds has the same turnover% that Kemba had as a junior.
Shamorie has a Kyrie/Isaiah Thomas like ability to use the glass while driving (he isn't Kyrie and Isaiah is more athletic) and his ability to stop on a dime and hit a mid-range jumper is key. If he can add a floater, become a better off-ball player (look at the 3 he missed against Georgetown and then the one he hit), and learn how to draw contact more, he could be a dynamic player in the NBA. I think Kemba Walker would be his ceiling.
But maybe I'm biased. What do you guys think?
I'm the biggest Ponds fan going but Dunn and Walker are bad comps. Both are super athletes while Ponds is above average. And Dunn is like 6'3 225. Ponds seems to be more in the Mo Williams and Seth Curry category with a poor man's Steph Curry as his ceiling if his skills develop.
You can have your opinions on who was better between our guards the last 20 years, but Ponds is the best NBA guard prospect we've had in the 21st century. Better than Barkley and Cook and certainly better than Hatten, Hardy, and Harrison.
Steph Curry?
If he develops his skills? You mean if he can develop his shooting skills from 19% from college line to that of the best shooter on the planet.
That would be like asking a guy with a 5 inch penis to develop his penis to be Dirk Diggler size. Not happening!
He shot 38% last year on 6 attempts per game. He can't do it alone. Look at his FT % when he doesn't have to rely on the trash he shares a roster with. You're not that dumb WASJU. You know he has no support.
He plays with better guys than Curry ever did.
Curry lifetime in college 47%, 41 %, 88%
Ponds career so far 42%, 31%, 83%
Can't believe we are discussing this.
Dave had best comparison when Ponds was coming in to school, "Poor man's Cuttino Mobley"
Mobley was listed at 6-4 though.
BTW Mobley shot 44%, 35%, 82%
That whole Davidson team could dribble and pass. Not one of his teammates can on SJU. Ponds is a sharp shooter. It's crazy to me that you can't see past this slump while he plays without a capabale second ball hander. He'll be near 40% next year on 7 attempts and I'll pull this thread up.
He'd eat up Trevon Duval if the squads were even close to even...probably with them as they are too.
If Ponds went to Duke or Kentucky, where would he be in mock drafts?
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I think it should be noted that Ponds is putting up similar and even better numbers than Kemba put up in his sophomore year. In Kemba's junior year, he had a freshman Jeremy Lamb and Shabazz Napier to play with. Ponds is doing this without any real help and he is still able to find and create his shot. It'll all depend on how he develops next season.
It should also be noted that Ponds dropped 40 on Lonzo Ball in high school and, I might be wrong on this, but he beat Isaiah Whitehead and Lincoln as a freshman.
In his last two games he's 5/13 from deep. I really think what you saw throughout the year was just a slump and he wasn't suited to play off the ball as much. Right now, he needs the ball in his hands and to create his shot. Look at the Georgetown game. His last two 3 pointers. The first was a catch and shoot from the corner, the other was a hesi pull-up.
That's a place where he'll need to develop. Becoming a better off-ball player, adding a floater, drawing more fouls. Those are easily fixable.
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NBADraft.net has Shamorie Ponds as the last pick of the 2019 NBA Draft. I personally think that's way too low and I truly believe he could be picked in the 12-17 range by next season.
I think there are two solid comparisons for Ponds. Kris Dunn and Kemba Walker. I think both are a bit more explosive than Ponds but Ponds has a very crafty and agile athleticism. He has a great mid-range jump shot and he has a lot of dribble drive moves. He's an underrated passer and defender. I personally think he's a better passer and rebounder than Kemba was as a sophomore and junior but Kemba was a better scorer.
However, I don't think Shamorie is far off. I think what's hurt Shamorie's three ball this year was them trying to get him to play off ball and letting Lovett and Simon be more of the ball handlers. I think Shamorie needs the ball in his hand and he needs to create. If he can work on that and develop his ability to hit catch and shoot 3's, I think he could be, at least, a 35% shooter from 3. The other thing he'll need to work on is adding a little more muscle and focusing on drawing contact when he gets to the rim. He needs to know when and how to draw more fouls to get to the line.
His usage rate is almost where Kemba's was as a junior and Ponds has the same turnover% that Kemba had as a junior.
Shamorie has a Kyrie/Isaiah Thomas like ability to use the glass while driving (he isn't Kyrie and Isaiah is more athletic) and his ability to stop on a dime and hit a mid-range jumper is key. If he can add a floater, become a better off-ball player (look at the 3 he missed against Georgetown and then the one he hit), and learn how to draw contact more, he could be a dynamic player in the NBA. I think Kemba Walker would be his ceiling.
But maybe I'm biased. What do you guys think?
I'm the biggest Ponds fan going but Dunn and Walker are bad comps. Both are super athletes while Ponds is above average. And Dunn is like 6'3 225. Ponds seems to be more in the Mo Williams and Seth Curry category with a poor man's Steph Curry as his ceiling if his skills develop.
You can have your opinions on who was better between our guards the last 20 years, but Ponds is the best NBA guard prospect we've had in the 21st century. Better than Barkley and Cook and certainly better than Hatten, Hardy, and Harrison.
Steph Curry?
If he develops his skills? You mean if he can develop his shooting skills from 19% from college line to that of the best shooter on the planet.
That would be like asking a guy with a 5 inch penis to develop his penis to be Dirk Diggler size. Not happening!
He shot 38% last year on 6 attempts per game. He can't do it alone. Look at his FT % when he doesn't have to rely on the trash he shares a roster with. You're not that dumb WASJU. You know he has no support.
He plays with better guys than Curry ever did.
Curry lifetime in college 47%, 41 %, 88%
Ponds career so far 42%, 31%, 83%
Can't believe we are discussing this.
Dave had best comparison when Ponds was coming in to school, "Poor man's Cuttino Mobley"
Mobley was listed at 6-4 though.
BTW Mobley shot 44%, 35%, 82%
That whole Davidson team could dribble and pass. Not one of his teammates can on SJU. Ponds is a sharp shooter. It's crazy to me that you can't see past this slump while he plays without a capabale second ball hander. He'll be near 40% next year on 7 attempts and I'll pull this thread up.
He'd eat up Trevon Duval if the squads were even close to even...probably with them as they are too.
If Ponds went to Duke or Kentucky, where would he be in mock drafts?
Mid first round. He's good enough to start on any team in the country.
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I think it should be noted that Ponds is putting up similar and even better numbers than Kemba put up in his sophomore year. In Kemba's junior year, he had a freshman Jeremy Lamb and Shabazz Napier to play with. Ponds is doing this without any real help and he is still able to find and create his shot. It'll all depend on how he develops next season.
It should also be noted that Ponds dropped 40 on Lonzo Ball in high school and, I might be wrong on this, but he beat Isaiah Whitehead and Lincoln as a freshman.
In his last two games he's 5/13 from deep. I really think what you saw throughout the year was just a slump and he wasn't suited to play off the ball as much. Right now, he needs the ball in his hands and to create his shot. Look at the Georgetown game. His last two 3 pointers. The first was a catch and shoot from the corner, the other was a hesi pull-up.
That's a place where he'll need to develop. Becoming a better off-ball player, adding a floater, drawing more fouls. Those are easily fixable.
There is no questioning his shot. It's elite. It will start to fall and when it does he'll hit 40 pts a few times. He also has a great floater already...he could stand to use it more often.
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However, I don't think Shamorie is far off. I think what's hurt Shamorie's three ball this year was them trying to get him to play off ball and letting Lovett and Simon be more of the ball handlers. I think Shamorie needs the ball in his hand and he needs to create. If he can work on that and develop his ability to hit catch and shoot 3's, I think he could be, at least, a 35% shooter from 3.
Shamorie if anything was given the ball in his hands more this season, even when Lovett was healthy. . His poor % this year is a product of a bunch of things. Poor shot selection and defensive attention being two of the bigger ones. Lovett or another guard in addition to Simon to get in lane and find him will help.
I think hes an nba player.
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NBADraft.net has Shamorie Ponds as the last pick of the 2019 NBA Draft. I personally think that's way too low and I truly believe he could be picked in the 12-17 range by next season.
I think there are two solid comparisons for Ponds. Kris Dunn and Kemba Walker. I think both are a bit more explosive than Ponds but Ponds has a very crafty and agile athleticism. He has a great mid-range jump shot and he has a lot of dribble drive moves. He's an underrated passer and defender. I personally think he's a better passer and rebounder than Kemba was as a sophomore and junior but Kemba was a better scorer.
However, I don't think Shamorie is far off. I think what's hurt Shamorie's three ball this year was them trying to get him to play off ball and letting Lovett and Simon be more of the ball handlers. I think Shamorie needs the ball in his hand and he needs to create. If he can work on that and develop his ability to hit catch and shoot 3's, I think he could be, at least, a 35% shooter from 3. The other thing he'll need to work on is adding a little more muscle and focusing on drawing contact when he gets to the rim. He needs to know when and how to draw more fouls to get to the line.
His usage rate is almost where Kemba's was as a junior and Ponds has the same turnover% that Kemba had as a junior.
Shamorie has a Kyrie/Isaiah Thomas like ability to use the glass while driving (he isn't Kyrie and Isaiah is more athletic) and his ability to stop on a dime and hit a mid-range jumper is key. If he can add a floater, become a better off-ball player (look at the 3 he missed against Georgetown and then the one he hit), and learn how to draw contact more, he could be a dynamic player in the NBA. I think Kemba Walker would be his ceiling.
But maybe I'm biased. What do you guys think?
I'm the biggest Ponds fan going but Dunn and Walker are bad comps. Both are super athletes while Ponds is above average. And Dunn is like 6'3 225. Ponds seems to be more in the Mo Williams and Seth Curry category with a poor man's Steph Curry as his ceiling if his skills develop.
You can have your opinions on who was better between our guards the last 20 years, but Ponds is the best NBA guard prospect we've had in the 21st century. Better than Barkley and Cook and certainly better than Hatten, Hardy, and Harrison.
Steph Curry?
If he develops his skills? You mean if he can develop his shooting skills from 19% from college line to that of the best shooter on the planet.
That would be like asking a guy with a 5 inch penis to develop his penis to be Dirk Diggler size. Not happening!
He shot 38% last year on 6 attempts per game. He can't do it alone. Look at his FT % when he doesn't have to rely on the trash he shares a roster with. You're not that dumb WASJU. You know he has no support.
He plays with better guys than Curry ever did.
Curry lifetime in college 47%, 41 %, 88%
Ponds career so far 42%, 31%, 83%
Can't believe we are discussing this.
Dave had best comparison when Ponds was coming in to school, "Poor man's Cuttino Mobley"
Mobley was listed at 6-4 though.
BTW Mobley shot 44%, 35%, 82%
Nick van Exel was best comp IMO
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I think it should be noted that Ponds is putting up similar and even better numbers than Kemba put up in his sophomore year. In Kemba's junior year, he had a freshman Jeremy Lamb and Shabazz Napier to play with. Ponds is doing this without any real help and he is still able to find and create his shot. It'll all depend on how he develops next season.
It should also be noted that Ponds dropped 40 on Lonzo Ball in high school and, I might be wrong on this, but he beat Isaiah Whitehead and Lincoln as a freshman.
In his last two games he's 5/13 from deep. I really think what you saw throughout the year was just a slump and he wasn't suited to play off the ball as much. Right now, he needs the ball in his hands and to create his shot. Look at the Georgetown game. His last two 3 pointers. The first was a catch and shoot from the corner, the other was a hesi pull-up.
That's a place where he'll need to develop. Becoming a better off-ball player, adding a floater, drawing more fouls. Those are easily fixable.
There is no questioning his shot. It's elite. It will start to fall and when it does he'll hit 40 pts a few times. He also has a great floater already...he could stand to use it more often.
I think Tariq Owens will gain 200 pounds next season and resemble LSU Shaq
We will have some team next year. Like a real life Blue Chips.
Going to have Shaq and Steph Curry.
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NBADraft.net has Shamorie Ponds as the last pick of the 2019 NBA Draft. I personally think that's way too low and I truly believe he could be picked in the 12-17 range by next season.
I think there are two solid comparisons for Ponds. Kris Dunn and Kemba Walker. I think both are a bit more explosive than Ponds but Ponds has a very crafty and agile athleticism. He has a great mid-range jump shot and he has a lot of dribble drive moves. He's an underrated passer and defender. I personally think he's a better passer and rebounder than Kemba was as a sophomore and junior but Kemba was a better scorer.
However, I don't think Shamorie is far off. I think what's hurt Shamorie's three ball this year was them trying to get him to play off ball and letting Lovett and Simon be more of the ball handlers. I think Shamorie needs the ball in his hand and he needs to create. If he can work on that and develop his ability to hit catch and shoot 3's, I think he could be, at least, a 35% shooter from 3. The other thing he'll need to work on is adding a little more muscle and focusing on drawing contact when he gets to the rim. He needs to know when and how to draw more fouls to get to the line.
His usage rate is almost where Kemba's was as a junior and Ponds has the same turnover% that Kemba had as a junior.
Shamorie has a Kyrie/Isaiah Thomas like ability to use the glass while driving (he isn't Kyrie and Isaiah is more athletic) and his ability to stop on a dime and hit a mid-range jumper is key. If he can add a floater, become a better off-ball player (look at the 3 he missed against Georgetown and then the one he hit), and learn how to draw contact more, he could be a dynamic player in the NBA. I think Kemba Walker would be his ceiling.
But maybe I'm biased. What do you guys think?
I'm sure NBA scouts are drooling at the prospect of taking a guard who is undersized, subpar on defense, and shoots under 20% from the 3 pt arc....
How about a 90% FT shooter that can score at every level with perfect touch on his passes and elite NBA vision? Get this kid a capable ball handler to play with and he will be draining threes all over the court. He is going to be a plus plus NBA shooter that can get into his shot from any spot inside the half court in one dribble.
WOW are you seriously serious, like really??? You just described an NBA all-star (can score at will - elite NBA vision - draining 3's all over the court). Shocked he didn't go in the lottery last year. I know, he's projected to go this year right?
I think Ponds is a solid player - has an uncanny ability to get to the hole and finish, has a solid mid range game. He is NOT a pure shooter, probably not as bad a shooter as shown this year but far, far from elite. Have not seen any evidence of having elite vision, Cook and Barkley were levels better in that area. He can and should be a good defensive player but he's not, gambles to much, wanders away from his man all the time. That said, he's a good player and that's it.
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NBADraft.net has Shamorie Ponds as the last pick of the 2019 NBA Draft. I personally think that's way too low and I truly believe he could be picked in the 12-17 range by next season.
I think there are two solid comparisons for Ponds. Kris Dunn and Kemba Walker. I think both are a bit more explosive than Ponds but Ponds has a very crafty and agile athleticism. He has a great mid-range jump shot and he has a lot of dribble drive moves. He's an underrated passer and defender. I personally think he's a better passer and rebounder than Kemba was as a sophomore and junior but Kemba was a better scorer.
However, I don't think Shamorie is far off. I think what's hurt Shamorie's three ball this year was them trying to get him to play off ball and letting Lovett and Simon be more of the ball handlers. I think Shamorie needs the ball in his hand and he needs to create. If he can work on that and develop his ability to hit catch and shoot 3's, I think he could be, at least, a 35% shooter from 3. The other thing he'll need to work on is adding a little more muscle and focusing on drawing contact when he gets to the rim. He needs to know when and how to draw more fouls to get to the line.
His usage rate is almost where Kemba's was as a junior and Ponds has the same turnover% that Kemba had as a junior.
Shamorie has a Kyrie/Isaiah Thomas like ability to use the glass while driving (he isn't Kyrie and Isaiah is more athletic) and his ability to stop on a dime and hit a mid-range jumper is key. If he can add a floater, become a better off-ball player (look at the 3 he missed against Georgetown and then the one he hit), and learn how to draw contact more, he could be a dynamic player in the NBA. I think Kemba Walker would be his ceiling.
But maybe I'm biased. What do you guys think?
I'm the biggest Ponds fan going but Dunn and Walker are bad comps. Both are super athletes while Ponds is above average. And Dunn is like 6'3 225. Ponds seems to be more in the Mo Williams and Seth Curry category with a poor man's Steph Curry as his ceiling if his skills develop.
You can have your opinions on who was better between our guards the last 20 years, but Ponds is the best NBA guard prospect we've had in the 21st century. Better than Barkley and Cook and certainly better than Hatten, Hardy, and Harrison.
Steph Curry?
If he develops his skills? You mean if he can develop his shooting skills from 19% from college line to that of the best shooter on the planet.
That would be like asking a guy with a 5 inch penis to develop his penis to be Dirk Diggler size. Not happening!
He shot 38% last year on 6 attempts per game. He can't do it alone. Look at his FT % when he doesn't have to rely on the trash he shares a roster with. You're not that dumb WASJU. You know he has no support.
He plays with better guys than Curry ever did.
Curry lifetime in college 47%, 41 %, 88%
Ponds career so far 42%, 31%, 83%
Can't believe we are discussing this.
Dave had best comparison when Ponds was coming in to school, "Poor man's Cuttino Mobley"
Mobley was listed at 6-4 though.
BTW Mobley shot 44%, 35%, 82%
Nick van Exel was best comp IMO
Good one. Had more of a traditional looking jumper though. Sort of looked like Lovett's.
I really like Ponds but Marillac has gone off the reservation .
If he makes the pros he will probably have to go over seas or G league route first. Then do not see as anything but a fringe player in NBA.
Would like being wrong in this case but again as of now he is on fringe of being drafted according to experts.
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I think it should be noted that Ponds is putting up similar and even better numbers than Kemba put up in his sophomore year. In Kemba's junior year, he had a freshman Jeremy Lamb and Shabazz Napier to play with. Ponds is doing this without any real help and he is still able to find and create his shot. It'll all depend on how he develops next season.
It should also be noted that Ponds dropped 40 on Lonzo Ball in high school and, I might be wrong on this, but he beat Isaiah Whitehead and Lincoln as a freshman.
In his last two games he's 5/13 from deep. I really think what you saw throughout the year was just a slump and he wasn't suited to play off the ball as much. Right now, he needs the ball in his hands and to create his shot. Look at the Georgetown game. His last two 3 pointers. The first was a catch and shoot from the corner, the other was a hesi pull-up.
That's a place where he'll need to develop. Becoming a better off-ball player, adding a floater, drawing more fouls. Those are easily fixable.
There is no questioning his shot. It's elite. It will start to fall and when it does he'll hit 40 pts a few times. He also has a great floater already...he could stand to use it more often.
I think Tariq Owens will gain 200 pounds next season and resemble LSU Shaq
We will have some team next year. Like a real life Blue Chips.
Going to have Shaq and Steph Curry.
That was funny
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NBADraft.net has Shamorie Ponds as the last pick of the 2019 NBA Draft. I personally think that's way too low and I truly believe he could be picked in the 12-17 range by next season.
I think there are two solid comparisons for Ponds. Kris Dunn and Kemba Walker. I think both are a bit more explosive than Ponds but Ponds has a very crafty and agile athleticism. He has a great mid-range jump shot and he has a lot of dribble drive moves. He's an underrated passer and defender. I personally think he's a better passer and rebounder than Kemba was as a sophomore and junior but Kemba was a better scorer.
However, I don't think Shamorie is far off. I think what's hurt Shamorie's three ball this year was them trying to get him to play off ball and letting Lovett and Simon be more of the ball handlers. I think Shamorie needs the ball in his hand and he needs to create. If he can work on that and develop his ability to hit catch and shoot 3's, I think he could be, at least, a 35% shooter from 3. The other thing he'll need to work on is adding a little more muscle and focusing on drawing contact when he gets to the rim. He needs to know when and how to draw more fouls to get to the line.
His usage rate is almost where Kemba's was as a junior and Ponds has the same turnover% that Kemba had as a junior.
Shamorie has a Kyrie/Isaiah Thomas like ability to use the glass while driving (he isn't Kyrie and Isaiah is more athletic) and his ability to stop on a dime and hit a mid-range jumper is key. If he can add a floater, become a better off-ball player (look at the 3 he missed against Georgetown and then the one he hit), and learn how to draw contact more, he could be a dynamic player in the NBA. I think Kemba Walker would be his ceiling.
But maybe I'm biased. What do you guys think?
I'm sure NBA scouts are drooling at the prospect of taking a guard who is undersized, subpar on defense, and shoots under 20% from the 3 pt arc....
FWIW there are a shit ton of guards 6'1 and under in the nba right now.
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I think it should be noted that Ponds is putting up similar and even better numbers than Kemba put up in his sophomore year. In Kemba's junior year, he had a freshman Jeremy Lamb and Shabazz Napier to play with. Ponds is doing this without any real help and he is still able to find and create his shot. It'll all depend on how he develops next season.
It should also be noted that Ponds dropped 40 on Lonzo Ball in high school and, I might be wrong on this, but he beat Isaiah Whitehead and Lincoln as a freshman.
In his last two games he's 5/13 from deep. I really think what you saw throughout the year was just a slump and he wasn't suited to play off the ball as much. Right now, he needs the ball in his hands and to create his shot. Look at the Georgetown game. His last two 3 pointers. The first was a catch and shoot from the corner, the other was a hesi pull-up.
That's a place where he'll need to develop. Becoming a better off-ball player, adding a floater, drawing more fouls. Those are easily fixable.
There is no questioning his shot. It's elite. It will start to fall and when it does he'll hit 40 pts a few times. He also has a great floater already...he could stand to use it more often.
I think Tariq Owens will gain 200 pounds next season and resemble LSU Shaq
We will have some team next year. Like a real life Blue Chips.
Going to have Shaq and Steph Curry.
Laugh it up. Questioning Ponds' shot is just silly. It's pure, it's fast, and he can get it off anywhere. He'll figure out how to get better looks this year and square himself to the basket better. He just needs to tweak a few things....stop fading away, choose better shots, and get back to the great arc he used to put on it. Playing with this crap and drawing so much attention will only help him be better at the next level.
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I think it should be noted that Ponds is putting up similar and even better numbers than Kemba put up in his sophomore year. In Kemba's junior year, he had a freshman Jeremy Lamb and Shabazz Napier to play with. Ponds is doing this without any real help and he is still able to find and create his shot. It'll all depend on how he develops next season.
It should also be noted that Ponds dropped 40 on Lonzo Ball in high school and, I might be wrong on this, but he beat Isaiah Whitehead and Lincoln as a freshman.
In his last two games he's 5/13 from deep. I really think what you saw throughout the year was just a slump and he wasn't suited to play off the ball as much. Right now, he needs the ball in his hands and to create his shot. Look at the Georgetown game. His last two 3 pointers. The first was a catch and shoot from the corner, the other was a hesi pull-up.
That's a place where he'll need to develop. Becoming a better off-ball player, adding a floater, drawing more fouls. Those are easily fixable.
There is no questioning his shot. It's elite. It will start to fall and when it does he'll hit 40 pts a few times. He also has a great floater already...he could stand to use it more often.
I think Tariq Owens will gain 200 pounds next season and resemble LSU Shaq
We will have some team next year. Like a real life Blue Chips.
Going to have Shaq and Steph Curry.
Laugh it up. Questioning Ponds' shot is just silly. It's pure, it's fast, and he can get it off anywhere. He'll figure out how to get better looks this year and square himself to the basket better. He just needs to tweak a few things....stop fading away, choose better shots, and get back to the great arc he used to put on it. Playing with this crap and drawing so much attention will only help him be better at the next level.
You have noticed other teams going under picks up top right?
Not just me and stat sheet questioning his shot.
I do think he is a better shooter than 19%. But I do not think he will every be a good outside shooter.
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I think it should be noted that Ponds is putting up similar and even better numbers than Kemba put up in his sophomore year. In Kemba's junior year, he had a freshman Jeremy Lamb and Shabazz Napier to play with. Ponds is doing this without any real help and he is still able to find and create his shot. It'll all depend on how he develops next season.
It should also be noted that Ponds dropped 40 on Lonzo Ball in high school and, I might be wrong on this, but he beat Isaiah Whitehead and Lincoln as a freshman.
In his last two games he's 5/13 from deep. I really think what you saw throughout the year was just a slump and he wasn't suited to play off the ball as much. Right now, he needs the ball in his hands and to create his shot. Look at the Georgetown game. His last two 3 pointers. The first was a catch and shoot from the corner, the other was a hesi pull-up.
That's a place where he'll need to develop. Becoming a better off-ball player, adding a floater, drawing more fouls. Those are easily fixable.
There is no questioning his shot. It's elite. It will start to fall and when it does he'll hit 40 pts a few times. He also has a great floater already...he could stand to use it more often.
I think Tariq Owens will gain 200 pounds next season and resemble LSU Shaq
We will have some team next year. Like a real life Blue Chips.
Going to have Shaq and Steph Curry.
Laugh it up. Questioning Ponds' shot is just silly. It's pure, it's fast, and he can get it off anywhere. He'll figure out how to get better looks this year and square himself to the basket better. He just needs to tweak a few things....stop fading away, choose better shots, and get back to the great arc he used to put on it. Playing with this crap and drawing so much attention will only help him be better at the next level.
Sounds like he needs to tweak everything. ;)
But I have specifically noted that he does appear to be rushing his shots more this year and not getting properly squared up. That'll go a long way. All the way to elite? Doubtful, but certainly to really really good is possible.
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I think it should be noted that Ponds is putting up similar and even better numbers than Kemba put up in his sophomore year. In Kemba's junior year, he had a freshman Jeremy Lamb and Shabazz Napier to play with. Ponds is doing this without any real help and he is still able to find and create his shot. It'll all depend on how he develops next season.
It should also be noted that Ponds dropped 40 on Lonzo Ball in high school and, I might be wrong on this, but he beat Isaiah Whitehead and Lincoln as a freshman.
In his last two games he's 5/13 from deep. I really think what you saw throughout the year was just a slump and he wasn't suited to play off the ball as much. Right now, he needs the ball in his hands and to create his shot. Look at the Georgetown game. His last two 3 pointers. The first was a catch and shoot from the corner, the other was a hesi pull-up.
That's a place where he'll need to develop. Becoming a better off-ball player, adding a floater, drawing more fouls. Those are easily fixable.
There is no questioning his shot. It's elite. It will start to fall and when it does he'll hit 40 pts a few times. He also has a great floater already...he could stand to use it more often.
I think Tariq Owens will gain 200 pounds next season and resemble LSU Shaq
We will have some team next year. Like a real life Blue Chips.
Going to have Shaq and Steph Curry.
Laugh it up. Questioning Ponds' shot is just silly. It's pure, it's fast, and he can get it off anywhere. He'll figure out how to get better looks this year and square himself to the basket better. He just needs to tweak a few things....stop fading away, choose better shots, and get back to the great arc he used to put on it. Playing with this crap and drawing so much attention will only help him be better at the next level.
You have noticed other teams going under picks up top right?
Not just me and stat sheet questioning his shot.
I do think he is a better shooter than 19%. But I do not think he will every be a good outside shooter.
He already hit 38% on over 6 attempts man!!!!! As a freshman!! How dense are you being? How do you hate Ahmed so much but give Simon a complete pass? Ahmed takes the ball into the lane way more and only averages 1.6 turnovers per game (true he never passes). Simon is averaging 4 turnovers per game in conference play. He pulls a lot of stuff out of his ass last minute but how can you ever have faith in a player like that at the end of a game when the defense tightens up? His next jump stop will be his first.
Ponds can't pass the ball to himself.
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I think it should be noted that Ponds is putting up similar and even better numbers than Kemba put up in his sophomore year. In Kemba's junior year, he had a freshman Jeremy Lamb and Shabazz Napier to play with. Ponds is doing this without any real help and he is still able to find and create his shot. It'll all depend on how he develops next season.
It should also be noted that Ponds dropped 40 on Lonzo Ball in high school and, I might be wrong on this, but he beat Isaiah Whitehead and Lincoln as a freshman.
In his last two games he's 5/13 from deep. I really think what you saw throughout the year was just a slump and he wasn't suited to play off the ball as much. Right now, he needs the ball in his hands and to create his shot. Look at the Georgetown game. His last two 3 pointers. The first was a catch and shoot from the corner, the other was a hesi pull-up.
That's a place where he'll need to develop. Becoming a better off-ball player, adding a floater, drawing more fouls. Those are easily fixable.
There is no questioning his shot. It's elite. It will start to fall and when it does he'll hit 40 pts a few times. He also has a great floater already...he could stand to use it more often.
I think Tariq Owens will gain 200 pounds next season and resemble LSU Shaq
We will have some team next year. Like a real life Blue Chips.
Going to have Shaq and Steph Curry.
Laugh it up. Questioning Ponds' shot is just silly. It's pure, it's fast, and he can get it off anywhere. He'll figure out how to get better looks this year and square himself to the basket better. He just needs to tweak a few things....stop fading away, choose better shots, and get back to the great arc he used to put on it. Playing with this crap and drawing so much attention will only help him be better at the next level.
You have noticed other teams going under picks up top right?
Not just me and stat sheet questioning his shot.
I do think he is a better shooter than 19%. But I do not think he will every be a good outside shooter.
He already hit 38% on over 6 attempts man!!!!! As a freshman!! How dense are you being? How do you hate Ahmed so much but give Simon a complete pass? Ahmed takes the ball into the lane way more and only averages 1.6 turnovers per game (true he never passes). Simon is averaging 4 turnovers per game in conference play. He pulls a lot of stuff out of his ass last minute but how can you ever have faith in a player like that at the end of a game when the defense tightens up? His next jump stop will be his first.
Ponds can't pass the ball to himself.
Besides the eyeball test of Simon despite not being able to shoot being our clear 2nd best player.
Simon 47% / 66% / 50%- on only 16 attempts . 4.8 assists and 2.8 TO's which is a better ratio than any year Geno ever had.
Ahmed 39% / 57% / 35 % 0.9 assists agame and 1.3 To's
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There is no questioning his shot. It's elite.
For once Wasju is right. You've lost it. 40% from the field is not elite and 20% from three is awful.
But I like where you're going with this and I'm going to adopt it in my I own life. From now on I'm going to blame my shortcomings (and despite this board thinking I'm perfect there are many) on my family, coworkers and neighbors.
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NBADraft.net has Shamorie Ponds as the last pick of the 2019 NBA Draft. I personally think that's way too low and I truly believe he could be picked in the 12-17 range by next season.
I think there are two solid comparisons for Ponds. Kris Dunn and Kemba Walker. I think both are a bit more explosive than Ponds but Ponds has a very crafty and agile athleticism. He has a great mid-range jump shot and he has a lot of dribble drive moves. He's an underrated passer and defender. I personally think he's a better passer and rebounder than Kemba was as a sophomore and junior but Kemba was a better scorer.
However, I don't think Shamorie is far off. I think what's hurt Shamorie's three ball this year was them trying to get him to play off ball and letting Lovett and Simon be more of the ball handlers. I think Shamorie needs the ball in his hand and he needs to create. If he can work on that and develop his ability to hit catch and shoot 3's, I think he could be, at least, a 35% shooter from 3. The other thing he'll need to work on is adding a little more muscle and focusing on drawing contact when he gets to the rim. He needs to know when and how to draw more fouls to get to the line.
His usage rate is almost where Kemba's was as a junior and Ponds has the same turnover% that Kemba had as a junior.
Shamorie has a Kyrie/Isaiah Thomas like ability to use the glass while driving (he isn't Kyrie and Isaiah is more athletic) and his ability to stop on a dime and hit a mid-range jumper is key. If he can add a floater, become a better off-ball player (look at the 3 he missed against Georgetown and then the one he hit), and learn how to draw contact more, he could be a dynamic player in the NBA. I think Kemba Walker would be his ceiling.
But maybe I'm biased. What do you guys think?
I'm the biggest Ponds fan going but Dunn and Walker are bad comps. Both are super athletes while Ponds is above average. And Dunn is like 6'3 225. Ponds seems to be more in the Mo Williams and Seth Curry category with a poor man's Steph Curry as his ceiling if his skills develop.
You can have your opinions on who was better between our guards the last 20 years, but Ponds is the best NBA guard prospect we've had in the 21st century. Better than Barkley and Cook and certainly better than Hatten, Hardy, and Harrison.
Steph Curry?
If he develops his skills? You mean if he can develop his shooting skills from 19% from college line to that of the best shooter on the planet.
That would be like asking a guy with a 5 inch penis to develop his penis to be Dirk Diggler size. Not happening!
He shot 38% last year on 6 attempts per game. He can't do it alone. Look at his FT % when he doesn't have to rely on the trash he shares a roster with. You're not that dumb WASJU. You know he has no support.
He plays with better guys than Curry ever did.
Curry lifetime in college 47%, 41 %, 88%
Ponds career so far 42%, 31%, 83%
Can't believe we are discussing this.
Dave had best comparison when Ponds was coming in to school, "Poor man's Cuttino Mobley"
Mobley was listed at 6-4 though.
BTW Mobley shot 44%, 35%, 82%
That whole Davidson team could dribble and pass. Not one of his teammates can on SJU. Ponds is a sharp shooter. It's crazy to me that you can't see past this slump while he plays without a capabale second ball hander. He'll be near 40% next year on 7 attempts and I'll pull this thread up.
He'd eat up Trevon Duval if the squads were even close to even...probably with them as they are too.
If Ponds went to Duke or Kentucky, where would he be in mock drafts?
What round did Isaiah Briscoe get drafted?
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I think it should be noted that Ponds is putting up similar and even better numbers than Kemba put up in his sophomore year. In Kemba's junior year, he had a freshman Jeremy Lamb and Shabazz Napier to play with. Ponds is doing this without any real help and he is still able to find and create his shot. It'll all depend on how he develops next season.
It should also be noted that Ponds dropped 40 on Lonzo Ball in high school and, I might be wrong on this, but he beat Isaiah Whitehead and Lincoln as a freshman.
In his last two games he's 5/13 from deep. I really think what you saw throughout the year was just a slump and he wasn't suited to play off the ball as much. Right now, he needs the ball in his hands and to create his shot. Look at the Georgetown game. His last two 3 pointers. The first was a catch and shoot from the corner, the other was a hesi pull-up.
That's a place where he'll need to develop. Becoming a better off-ball player, adding a floater, drawing more fouls. Those are easily fixable.
There is no questioning his shot. It's elite. It will start to fall and when it does he'll hit 40 pts a few times. He also has a great floater already...he could stand to use it more often.
I think Tariq Owens will gain 200 pounds next season and resemble LSU Shaq
We will have some team next year. Like a real life Blue Chips.
Going to have Shaq and Steph Curry.
If Tariq puts on 200 lbs. he will resemble LSU's Stanley Roberts not Shaq who despite being muscular was pretty thin in college. On second thought we are talking about Tariq so maybe you are right even if he put on 200 lbs. he would still be pretty thin. :)
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I think it should be noted that Ponds is putting up similar and even better numbers than Kemba put up in his sophomore year. In Kemba's junior year, he had a freshman Jeremy Lamb and Shabazz Napier to play with. Ponds is doing this without any real help and he is still able to find and create his shot. It'll all depend on how he develops next season.
It should also be noted that Ponds dropped 40 on Lonzo Ball in high school and, I might be wrong on this, but he beat Isaiah Whitehead and Lincoln as a freshman.
In his last two games he's 5/13 from deep. I really think what you saw throughout the year was just a slump and he wasn't suited to play off the ball as much. Right now, he needs the ball in his hands and to create his shot. Look at the Georgetown game. His last two 3 pointers. The first was a catch and shoot from the corner, the other was a hesi pull-up.
That's a place where he'll need to develop. Becoming a better off-ball player, adding a floater, drawing more fouls. Those are easily fixable.
There is no questioning his shot. It's elite. It will start to fall and when it does he'll hit 40 pts a few times. He also has a great floater already...he could stand to use it more often.
I think Tariq Owens will gain 200 pounds next season and resemble LSU Shaq
We will have some team next year. Like a real life Blue Chips.
Going to have Shaq and Steph Curry.
If Tariq puts on 200 lbs. he will resemble LSU's Stanley Roberts not Shaq who despite being muscular was pretty thin in college. On second thought we are talking about Tariq so maybe you are right even if he put on 200 lbs. he would still be pretty thin. :)
200 plus his current 75 would put him at Shaq's LSU weight roughly.
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Wait Ponds dropped 40 in high school on Alonzo Ball and beat Isaih Whitehead at Lincoln? Forget that he is a ball hog who plays subpar defense and makes no one else on the team better, shoots a horrible % from behind the arc and is undersized. Who gives a crap about what he did in one high school game against a family that plays zero defense. Ponds is not a pro there are so many better players out there and most of them know how to win
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Saying he doesn’t make his teammates better is such a joke. Saying his shot selection is shit would be completely understandable.
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Saying he doesn’t make his teammates better is such a joke. Saying his shot selection is shit would be completely understandable.
Offense looked better when he was hurt. Don’t blame ponds for that either.
When ponds has the ball, 3 Guys stand around, Owens sets a high screen and ponds gets doubled.
I would rather he take bad shots then others take bad shots .
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30 Khyri Thomas' that are 20 pounds stronger and 5-10 years older are at the next level. Shamorie needs to watch a ton of personal film, get up a ton of shots and live in the weight room this Summer. I think he'll test the waters this Spring to get feedback and it'll be blessed by Mullin.
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30 Khyri Thomas' that are 20 pounds stronger and 5-10 years older are at the next level. Shamorie needs to watch a ton of personal film, get up a ton of shots and live in the weight room this Summer. I think he'll test the waters this Spring to get feedback and it'll be blessed by Mullin.
Khyri is an NBA player. His defense might sneak him into the first round THIS year. I predicted two months ago that he would shut Ponds down this year. He's too strong, but Ponds will catch up.
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Justin Simon is the best NBA prospect we have.
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Justin Simon is the best NBA prospect we have.
He can’t shoot. He has actually overachieved as a shooter.
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Justin Simon is the best NBA prospect we have.
He can’t shoot. He has actually overachieved as a shooter.
I know he can't shoot, but as a prospect he checks SOME boxes. No one else on this team is on an NBA radar at this point.
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Listen, I love Ponds just a much as the next guy, but this is just crazy talk right now. He is what we call a volume scorer.....will go 0-7 and hit 4 of his next shots. He is far from an elite shooter and isn't even the best on our poor shooting team. To make the jump to the next level he will have to get a lot stronger taking the ball to the rim and learn how to play team defense. He loses his man after ball screen switches way to easily. He shows signs of brilliance, and at other times shows very low basketball IQ. He definitely does have the potential for a huge Junior year if he puts in the work.
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Justin Simon is the best NBA prospect we have.
He can’t shoot. He has actually overachieved as a shooter.
I know he can't shoot, but as a prospect he checks SOME boxes. No one else on this team is on an NBA radar at this point.
Why do you say he can't shoot? He's shooting 47.5% from both the field and from three.
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Justin Simon is the best NBA prospect we have.
agreed. by senior year I could see kris dunn as a good comp for simon. ( i don't get the ponds/dunn comparison at all)/
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Justin Simon is the best NBA prospect we have.
agreed. by senior year I could see kris dunn as a good comp for simon. ( i don't get the ponds/dunn comparison at all)/
This whole people eating tide pods thing is really getting out of control
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Justin Simon is the best NBA prospect we have.
He can’t shoot. He has actually overachieved as a shooter.
I know he can't shoot, but as a prospect he checks SOME boxes. No one else on this team is on an NBA radar at this point.
Why do you say he can't shoot? He's shooting 47.5% from both the field and from three.
He has been efficient, but he doesn't trust his shot. How many times has he passed up a wide open jumper? When he gets into the lane he uses a one hand floater instead of a pull up j. He has good instincts and makes his teammates better... You can't teach that. Hopefully he develops over the summer. He could be all conference.
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Ponds only shot at NBA is if he becomes a true pg. He's small, does not shoot well right now, does not make anyone around him better and plays no defense. Good scorer for the college level.
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30 Khyri Thomas' that are 20 pounds stronger and 5-10 years older are at the next level. Shamorie needs to watch a ton of personal film, get up a ton of shots and live in the weight room this Summer. I think he'll test the waters this Spring to get feedback and it'll be blessed by Mullin.
Khyri is an NBA player. His defense might sneak him into the first round THIS year. I predicted two months ago that he would shut Ponds down this year. He's too strong, but Ponds will catch up.
He ate him alive Marillac, twice. It was like watching a NBA player guard a college player. Just a thought, but I'd like to see Shamorie fly down to Houston and train with John Lucas this Summer.
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Justin Simon is the best NBA prospect we have.
He can’t shoot. He has actually overachieved as a shooter.
I know he can't shoot, but as a prospect he checks SOME boxes. No one else on this team is on an NBA radar at this point.
Why do you say he can't shoot? He's shooting 47.5% from both the field and from three.
He has been efficient, but he doesn't trust his shot. How many times has he passed up a wide open jumper? When he gets into the lane he uses a one hand floater instead of a pull up j. He has good instincts and makes his teammates better... You can't teach that. Hopefully he develops over the summer. He could be all conference.
I see it differently. Good shot selection and taking shots you can make and not taking one's you can't is big part of what makes one a good shooter.
He's also making a large amount of high degree of difficulty finishes close to and not so close to the rim as well.
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NBADraft.net has Shamorie Ponds as the last pick of the 2019 NBA Draft. I personally think that's way too low and I truly believe he could be picked in the 12-17 range by next season.
I think there are two solid comparisons for Ponds. Kris Dunn and Kemba Walker. I think both are a bit more explosive than Ponds but Ponds has a very crafty and agile athleticism. He has a great mid-range jump shot and he has a lot of dribble drive moves. He's an underrated passer and defender. I personally think he's a better passer and rebounder than Kemba was as a sophomore and junior but Kemba was a better scorer.
However, I don't think Shamorie is far off. I think what's hurt Shamorie's three ball this year was them trying to get him to play off ball and letting Lovett and Simon be more of the ball handlers. I think Shamorie needs the ball in his hand and he needs to create. If he can work on that and develop his ability to hit catch and shoot 3's, I think he could be, at least, a 35% shooter from 3. The other thing he'll need to work on is adding a little more muscle and focusing on drawing contact when he gets to the rim. He needs to know when and how to draw more fouls to get to the line.
His usage rate is almost where Kemba's was as a junior and Ponds has the same turnover% that Kemba had as a junior.
Shamorie has a Kyrie/Isaiah Thomas like ability to use the glass while driving (he isn't Kyrie and Isaiah is more athletic) and his ability to stop on a dime and hit a mid-range jumper is key. If he can add a floater, become a better off-ball player (look at the 3 he missed against Georgetown and then the one he hit), and learn how to draw contact more, he could be a dynamic player in the NBA. I think Kemba Walker would be his ceiling.
But maybe I'm biased. What do you guys think?
I'm the biggest Ponds fan going but Dunn and Walker are bad comps. Both are super athletes while Ponds is above average. And Dunn is like 6'3 225. Ponds seems to be more in the Mo Williams and Seth Curry category with a poor man's Steph Curry as his ceiling if his skills develop.
You can have your opinions on who was better between our guards the last 20 years, but Ponds is the best NBA guard prospect we've had in the 21st century. Better than Barkley and Cook and certainly better than Hatten, Hardy, and Harrison.
Before he skipped finals and tried to kill a dude Rysheed was a way better pro prospect.
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NBADraft.net has Shamorie Ponds as the last pick of the 2019 NBA Draft. I personally think that's way too low and I truly believe he could be picked in the 12-17 range by next season.
I think there are two solid comparisons for Ponds. Kris Dunn and Kemba Walker. I think both are a bit more explosive than Ponds but Ponds has a very crafty and agile athleticism. He has a great mid-range jump shot and he has a lot of dribble drive moves. He's an underrated passer and defender. I personally think he's a better passer and rebounder than Kemba was as a sophomore and junior but Kemba was a better scorer.
However, I don't think Shamorie is far off. I think what's hurt Shamorie's three ball this year was them trying to get him to play off ball and letting Lovett and Simon be more of the ball handlers. I think Shamorie needs the ball in his hand and he needs to create. If he can work on that and develop his ability to hit catch and shoot 3's, I think he could be, at least, a 35% shooter from 3. The other thing he'll need to work on is adding a little more muscle and focusing on drawing contact when he gets to the rim. He needs to know when and how to draw more fouls to get to the line.
His usage rate is almost where Kemba's was as a junior and Ponds has the same turnover% that Kemba had as a junior.
Shamorie has a Kyrie/Isaiah Thomas like ability to use the glass while driving (he isn't Kyrie and Isaiah is more athletic) and his ability to stop on a dime and hit a mid-range jumper is key. If he can add a floater, become a better off-ball player (look at the 3 he missed against Georgetown and then the one he hit), and learn how to draw contact more, he could be a dynamic player in the NBA. I think Kemba Walker would be his ceiling.
But maybe I'm biased. What do you guys think?
I'm sure NBA scouts are drooling at the prospect of taking a guard who is undersized, subpar on defense, and shoots under 20% from the 3 pt arc....
Sub-par is extremely kind. Ponds is atrocious on and off ball defensively. Just because he gets a few steals a game doesn't excuse the fact his defensive assignments consistently light us up.
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NBADraft.net has Shamorie Ponds as the last pick of the 2019 NBA Draft. I personally think that's way too low and I truly believe he could be picked in the 12-17 range by next season.
I think there are two solid comparisons for Ponds. Kris Dunn and Kemba Walker. I think both are a bit more explosive than Ponds but Ponds has a very crafty and agile athleticism. He has a great mid-range jump shot and he has a lot of dribble drive moves. He's an underrated passer and defender. I personally think he's a better passer and rebounder than Kemba was as a sophomore and junior but Kemba was a better scorer.
However, I don't think Shamorie is far off. I think what's hurt Shamorie's three ball this year was them trying to get him to play off ball and letting Lovett and Simon be more of the ball handlers. I think Shamorie needs the ball in his hand and he needs to create. If he can work on that and develop his ability to hit catch and shoot 3's, I think he could be, at least, a 35% shooter from 3. The other thing he'll need to work on is adding a little more muscle and focusing on drawing contact when he gets to the rim. He needs to know when and how to draw more fouls to get to the line.
His usage rate is almost where Kemba's was as a junior and Ponds has the same turnover% that Kemba had as a junior.
Shamorie has a Kyrie/Isaiah Thomas like ability to use the glass while driving (he isn't Kyrie and Isaiah is more athletic) and his ability to stop on a dime and hit a mid-range jumper is key. If he can add a floater, become a better off-ball player (look at the 3 he missed against Georgetown and then the one he hit), and learn how to draw contact more, he could be a dynamic player in the NBA. I think Kemba Walker would be his ceiling.
But maybe I'm biased. What do you guys think?
I'm sure NBA scouts are drooling at the prospect of taking a guard who is undersized, subpar on defense, and shoots under 20% from the 3 pt arc....
How about a 90% FT shooter that can score at every level with perfect touch on his passes and elite NBA vision? Get this kid a capable ball handler to play with and he will be draining threes all over the court. He is going to be a plus plus NBA shooter that can get into his shot from any spot inside the half court in one dribble.
Lots of NBA scouts and draft prognosticators look at ft shooting % as a better indicator of shooting ability then college 3 pt %. I definitely agree ponds' lack of efficiency is more a result of lack of help, poor shot selection and lack of squaring up instead of him just being a poor shooter. With that said, he's no where close to being a 1st rd pick after this season.
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NBADraft.net has Shamorie Ponds as the last pick of the 2019 NBA Draft. I personally think that's way too low and I truly believe he could be picked in the 12-17 range by next season.
I think there are two solid comparisons for Ponds. Kris Dunn and Kemba Walker. I think both are a bit more explosive than Ponds but Ponds has a very crafty and agile athleticism. He has a great mid-range jump shot and he has a lot of dribble drive moves. He's an underrated passer and defender. I personally think he's a better passer and rebounder than Kemba was as a sophomore and junior but Kemba was a better scorer.
However, I don't think Shamorie is far off. I think what's hurt Shamorie's three ball this year was them trying to get him to play off ball and letting Lovett and Simon be more of the ball handlers. I think Shamorie needs the ball in his hand and he needs to create. If he can work on that and develop his ability to hit catch and shoot 3's, I think he could be, at least, a 35% shooter from 3. The other thing he'll need to work on is adding a little more muscle and focusing on drawing contact when he gets to the rim. He needs to know when and how to draw more fouls to get to the line.
His usage rate is almost where Kemba's was as a junior and Ponds has the same turnover% that Kemba had as a junior.
Shamorie has a Kyrie/Isaiah Thomas like ability to use the glass while driving (he isn't Kyrie and Isaiah is more athletic) and his ability to stop on a dime and hit a mid-range jumper is key. If he can add a floater, become a better off-ball player (look at the 3 he missed against Georgetown and then the one he hit), and learn how to draw contact more, he could be a dynamic player in the NBA. I think Kemba Walker would be his ceiling.
But maybe I'm biased. What do you guys think?
I'm sure NBA scouts are drooling at the prospect of taking a guard who is undersized, subpar on defense, and shoots under 20% from the 3 pt arc....
How about a 90% FT shooter that can score at every level with perfect touch on his passes and elite NBA vision? Get this kid a capable ball handler to play with and he will be draining threes all over the court. He is going to be a plus plus NBA shooter that can get into his shot from any spot inside the half court in one dribble.
Lots of NBA scouts and draft prognosticators look at ft shooting % as a better indicator of shooting ability then college 3 pt %. I definitely agree ponds' lack of efficiency is more a result of lack of help, poor shot selection and lack of squaring up instead of him just being a poor shooter. With that said, he's no where close to being a 1st rd pick after this season.
Latest NBA mock draft does not have him getting drafted.
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Listen, I love Ponds just a much as the next guy, but this is just crazy talk right now. He is what we call a volume scorer.....will go 0-7 and hit 4 of his next shots. He is far from an elite shooter and isn't even the best on our poor shooting team. To make the jump to the next level he will have to get a lot stronger taking the ball to the rim and learn how to play team defense. He loses his man after ball screen switches way to easily. He shows signs of brilliance, and at other times shows very low basketball IQ. He definitely does have the potential for a huge Junior year if he puts in the work.
Can't judge the kid this year. No doubt he is being overwhelmed by the pressure of having to be the man, and feeling the weight of carrying the team on his shoulders. Ease up on the kid. He is a very talented player who needs some direction and guidance.
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NBADraft.net has Shamorie Ponds as the last pick of the 2019 NBA Draft. I personally think that's way too low and I truly believe he could be picked in the 12-17 range by next season.
I think there are two solid comparisons for Ponds. Kris Dunn and Kemba Walker. I think both are a bit more explosive than Ponds but Ponds has a very crafty and agile athleticism. He has a great mid-range jump shot and he has a lot of dribble drive moves. He's an underrated passer and defender. I personally think he's a better passer and rebounder than Kemba was as a sophomore and junior but Kemba was a better scorer.
However, I don't think Shamorie is far off. I think what's hurt Shamorie's three ball this year was them trying to get him to play off ball and letting Lovett and Simon be more of the ball handlers. I think Shamorie needs the ball in his hand and he needs to create. If he can work on that and develop his ability to hit catch and shoot 3's, I think he could be, at least, a 35% shooter from 3. The other thing he'll need to work on is adding a little more muscle and focusing on drawing contact when he gets to the rim. He needs to know when and how to draw more fouls to get to the line.
His usage rate is almost where Kemba's was as a junior and Ponds has the same turnover% that Kemba had as a junior.
Shamorie has a Kyrie/Isaiah Thomas like ability to use the glass while driving (he isn't Kyrie and Isaiah is more athletic) and his ability to stop on a dime and hit a mid-range jumper is key. If he can add a floater, become a better off-ball player (look at the 3 he missed against Georgetown and then the one he hit), and learn how to draw contact more, he could be a dynamic player in the NBA. I think Kemba Walker would be his ceiling.
But maybe I'm biased. What do you guys think?
I'm sure NBA scouts are drooling at the prospect of taking a guard who is undersized, subpar on defense, and shoots under 20% from the 3 pt arc....
How about a 90% FT shooter that can score at every level with perfect touch on his passes and elite NBA vision? Get this kid a capable ball handler to play with and he will be draining threes all over the court. He is going to be a plus plus NBA shooter that can get into his shot from any spot inside the half court in one dribble.
Lots of NBA scouts and draft prognosticators look at ft shooting % as a better indicator of shooting ability then college 3 pt %. I definitely agree ponds' lack of efficiency is more a result of lack of help, poor shot selection and lack of squaring up instead of him just being a poor shooter. With that said, he's no where close to being a 1st rd pick after this season.
Latest NBA mock draft does not have him getting drafted.
Shouldve said he's nowhere close to being a 2nd rd pick after this year but I'm trying to not be a complete negative nancy on every one of my posts.
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Dwight Hardy, Marcus Hatten, Bootsy Thorton, David Russell, David Cain senior year, Dom Pointer senior year, Deangelo Harrison, Billy Goodwin, Boo Harvey, Michael Porter, Willie Glass, Larry Wright.
ST John's has had a lot of great players that never made the pros. All those guys listed above were some of my favorites. I really like Ponds. He is a really good player that is fun to watch. He has a lot of flaws that do not make him the ideal best player on a decent team. Some of these same flaws will probably keep him out of the NBA at least in any significant way.
Then there are guys like Ced Jackson who I thought might have been one of the worst players we have had and he showed up on an NBA roster for a cup of coffee. Basically making the NBA or not should not have an effect on how someone's college career here is judged.
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Anybody made a Trey Burke comparison yet? I think trey was a better passer but I think Ponds is the craftier scorer. Pretty similar size.
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Anybody made a Trey Burke comparison yet? I think trey was a better passer but I think Ponds is the craftier scorer. Pretty similar size.
Burke was best player on Finals team with two other 1st round NBA players. Shot 45% from field and 37% from three.
He is really quick but Ponds probably a better athlete and I think a better passer. Burke way better shooter.
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If Ponds went to Duke or Kentucky, where would he be in mock drafts?
Honestly, he would be on the bench most of time at Duke & Kentucky
He is our best player, tough kid but unless there are massive improvements in his strength and shooting, he never sees the NBA.
If he stays 4 years, he will be one of the best players we have watched and ends up near the very top of the All Time scoring list.
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Ponds is not worthy of a lottery pick or even a 1st round pick this year, but to think he can't develop into a lottery pick is so unfair to him. He needs to get stronger at getting to the basket? He gets to the basket with EASE right now against some top level teams. Look at the contact he took on the shot against Duke where he absorbed the hit and fixed the shot in mid-air to finish. He's also a very solid off the dribble three point shooter. He needs to do better at catching and shooting.
Ponds shot 37% from three last season on 6 attempts per game but people want to focus on a 17-game span and tell me he's not a good outside shooter? Since the Villanova game, Ponds is shooting 37% in the last six games. So couldn't that 17-game span be more easily tossed up to a sophomore slump/fatigue/more focus on him?
Here is Pond's sophomore season where his minutes and usage rate can be similarly compared to Kemba Walker's in his junior year.
Ponds: 36.2 mpg, 40% from the field on 17 attempts, 50% from 2 on 11 attempts, 23% from 3 on 6 attempts, 83% from the line on 5 attempts, 5 rebounds 4.7 assists, 2.6 stl, 2.4 TO, and 20.3 points with a true shooting % of 50%, an effective field goal percentage of 44%, a 28.6 assist %, a 10.5 turnover %, with a usage rate of 30.9%
Walker: 37.6 mpg, 43% from the field on 18 attempts, 47% from 2 on 12 attempts, 33% from 3 on 5 attempts, 81% from the line on almost 8 attempts, 5 rebounds, 4.5 assists, 1.9 stl, 2.3 TO, and 23.5 pts with a true shooting % of 54%, an effective field goal percentage of 48%, a 28% assist percentage, a 9.5 turnover %, and 32.4% usage rate.
Ponds is very close as a sophomore to where Kemba Walker was as a junior and Kemba had a freshman Jeremy Lamb and Shabazz Napier on his team. With those two, Kemba dragged UCONN to a mystifying Big East and National Title. Ponds with maybe only Simon as only other potential NBA player has dragged SJU to some very tight games despite far inferior talent. Ponds, I believe, is a better passer and scorer than Kemba was at the same stage in their careers.
It's all about how he develops this offseason. If he develops the ability to catch and shoot the 3, I believe he should be around 40% from 3 and if he can do a better job of drawing contact and getting to the line, I think his FG% could be above 45% with a 25 points per game average. I think if Simon can develop as a shooter and the improved interior play, Ponds will average 6 assists per game next year.
People want to complain about Ponds' D but I personally think it's game planning. Ponds is arguably our 3rd best rebounder so we made him sag off his man last year and this year to get him closer to rebounds. But even more so, our biggest game plan on defense is doubling the post to force turnovers. This means that Ponds has to leave his man and Ahmed or Simon either have to play help D at the 3 point line. This has lead to our league worst 3pt defense and the idea that Ponds is not a good defender.
With bigs that can actually play defense, he should be able to stick on his man more. I agree there are flaws in his game defensively, he does ball watch a little too much and he could be more engaged (although I'm sure they are telling him not to so he can save energy for offense). If Ponds can just play better team defense (which I think he will since he won't be asked to double the post so much next year), and develop as a catch and shoot guy as well as learning to create more contact when driving, I see no reason why he can't be Kemba Walker.
If he improves in those 3 very improvable areas, and he enters the draft next season, he'll have an almost identical scouting report to Kemba.
Great ability to get to the basket, good shooter, good passer, good playmaker, good rebounder. 6'1" 175/180lbs, Walker was born in May, Ponds was born in June, need to get better defensively.
Right now he's projected as the 56th pick in the 2019 Draft according to NBADraft.net and that hasn't been updated for the Duke game. I think he rises to 50th after that performance and could get to 35-40 by season's end.
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If his recent games shooting percentages continues he's quite the live prospect.
I'm getting nervous.
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If his recent games shooting percentages continues he's quite the live prospect.
I'm getting nervous.
Coincidentally heard today that there are NBA scouts that will be at our practice to observe Mr. Ponds.
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This will be a great thread to look back on.
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This will be a great thread to look back on.
Seems like NBA fazing out the little scoring point guards. I think he can play the point and is an underrated passer. These things are cyclical and I think 5 -10 years ago he would have had a better shot. Defensively next level would be a huge problem for him. I think if he can show he is really a point, can be at least a willing defender and can knock down his jumpers more consistently, I can see him sneaking into back end of 1st round next year or year after.
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The people who say he can't shoot are insane and their understanding of basketball will be exposed very soon. Not only is he not a bad shooter, he's a great shooter. The kid shot 37.5% from 3 as a freshman with more than SIX attempts. 4 of those were hurried, off the bounce, or heavily contested. This year nearly of all his shots are of that variety. Do you guys really think Marvin Clark is a better shooter? No. He takes only set shots and has his dinner set up for him. Ponds doesn't have that luxury. Look how close teams still play him on the perimeter!
His shot is crazy fast and his release is as our as it gets. Wait until this kid has gets 4 set shots a game next year from Brooks inside-out and other guards setting him up.
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This will be a great thread to look back on.
Seems like NBA fazing out the little scoring point guards. I think he can play the point and is an underrated passer. These things are cyclical and I think 5 -10 years ago he would have had a better shot. Defensively next level would be a huge problem for him. I think if he can show he is really a point, can be at least a willing defender and can knock down his jumpers more consistently, I can see him sneaking into back end of 1st round next year or year after.
There’s a shit ton of guards getting big minutes in the nba who are 6’1 and under.
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This will be a great thread to look back on.
Seems like NBA fazing out the little scoring point guards. I think he can play the point and is an underrated passer. These things are cyclical and I think 5 -10 years ago he would have had a better shot. Defensively next level would be a huge problem for him. I think if he can show he is really a point, can be at least a willing defender and can knock down his jumpers more consistently, I can see him sneaking into back end of 1st round next year or year after.
There’s a shit ton of guards getting big minutes in the nba who are 6’1 and under.
A ton?
Kemba, Paul and Isaiah Thomas are exceptions. I think Bledsoe is under 6-2. There maybe a some backup Point guards under 6-2 but not a lot. NBA is going with bigger points now. Heck I wish Burke would play over French kid and only reason he isn't is because he is 6 foot.
Again I like Ponds and it is just my opinion for him at next level. As I have said before what they do at next level has no bearing on what I think of them while they are here.
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Here wasju, list Is long enough that I won’t quote previous posts.
All guys getting quality minutes:
Christ Paul
Kyle Lowry
Kemba Walter
Erik Bledsoe
Mike Conley
Patty mills
Tony Parker
Rajon rondo
Jameer Nelson
Isaiah Thomas
Raymond Felton
Tyler Ulis
Frank mason III
Fred van fleet
Yogi farrell
Shabazz Napier
DJ Augustine
Isaiah Canaan
JJ Barea
Patrick Beverly
Lou Williams
Ish Smith
Mike smith
Plus
Trey Burke
Shane Larkin
Aaron brooks
Ty Lawson.
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Here wasju, list Is long enough that I won’t quote previous posts.
All guys getting quality minutes:
Christ Paul
Kyle Lowry
Kemba Walter
Erik Bledsoe
Mike Conley
Patty mills
Tony Parker
Rajon rondo
Jameer Nelson
Isaiah Thomas
Raymond Felton
Tyler Ulis
Frank mason III
Fred van fleet
Yogi farrell
Shabazz Napier
DJ Augustine
Isaiah Canaan
JJ Barea
Patrick Beverly
Lou Williams
Ish Smith
Mike smith
Plus
Trey Burke
Shane Larkin
Aaron brooks
Ty Lawson.
There is no way Nelson and Brooks are still in the NBA. And Larkin and Felton shouldn't be. Some of those guys are hurt and I am pretty sure you made some of thos other guys up. But if you look at every team most of the starting point guards are 6-4 at least. That is the way it is trending. And I have said I would not be shocked to see Ponds on an NBA team one day. I just don't see him being a rotation NBA player at this point. And I do not like his jumper. Inside the arc and shooting off the dribble inside the arc I have confidence in him.
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Here wasju, list Is long enough that I won’t quote previous posts.
All guys getting quality minutes:
Christ Paul
Kyle Lowry
Kemba Walter
Erik Bledsoe
Mike Conley
Patty mills
Tony Parker
Rajon rondo
Jameer Nelson
Isaiah Thomas
Raymond Felton
Tyler Ulis
Frank mason III
Fred van fleet
Yogi farrell
Shabazz Napier
DJ Augustine
Isaiah Canaan
JJ Barea
Patrick Beverly
Lou Williams
Ish Smith
Mike smith
Plus
Trey Burke
Shane Larkin
Aaron brooks
Ty Lawson.
There is no way Nelson and Brooks are still in the NBA. And Larkin and Felton shouldn't be. Some of those guys are hurt and I am pretty sure you made some of thos other guys up. But if you look at every team most of the starting point guards are 6-4 at least. That is the way it is trending. And I have said I would not be shocked to see Ponds on an NBA team one day. I just don't see him being a rotation NBA player at this point. And I do not like his jumper. Inside the arc and shooting off the dribble inside the arc I have confidence in him.
Lol really man? It’s ok to say you were right.
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This post went up before the Butler game. Since that game, Ponds is averaging 32 points, 5 assists, 3 steals, 5 rebounds, and 4 turnovers (if he can bring that down by 2 and add another assist or two? Holy cow) while shooting 56% from the field, almost 49% from three, and 87% from the free throw line. Think about that, in the past 5 games, he's almost averaging a 60/50/90 shooting line which has never been achieved for a full season before.
Now I know this could be just a crazy hot streak and those numbers should come back to earth a little bit. However, I just want to give credit to all those who saw his potential and saw the beast lurking within Ponds like myself. I also said he could get to the 35-40 range of the 2019 mock draft by season's end...he's now at 34. I actually think if he keeps this up, he could get to the 20-25 range. If he can get stronger (get to about 185lbs) and really work on his playmaking abilities (they are there) there's no reason why he can't be a lottery pick next year and go in the 12-17 range.
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This post went up before the Butler game. Since that game, Ponds is averaging 32 points, 5 assists, 3 steals, 5 rebounds, and 4 turnovers (if he can bring that down by 2 and add another assist or two? Holy cow) while shooting 56% from the field, almost 49% from three, and 87% from the free throw line. Think about that, in the past 5 games, he's almost averaging a 60/50/90 shooting line which has never been achieved for a full season before.
Now I know this could be just a crazy hot streak and those numbers should come back to earth a little bit. However, I just want to give credit to all those who saw his potential and saw the beast lurking within Ponds like myself. I also said he could get to the 35-40 range of the 2019 mock draft by season's end...he's now at 34. I actually think if he keeps this up, he could get to the 20-25 range. If he can get stronger (get to about 185lbs) and really work on his playmaking abilities (they are there) there's no reason why he can't be a lottery pick next year and go in the 12-17 range.
Johnniesfilmmaker so you want to give credit to yourself. LOL Why not just give yourself some Academy Awards while your at it?
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This post went up before the Butler game. Since that game, Ponds is averaging 32 points, 5 assists, 3 steals, 5 rebounds, and 4 turnovers (if he can bring that down by 2 and add another assist or two? Holy cow) while shooting 56% from the field, almost 49% from three, and 87% from the free throw line. Think about that, in the past 5 games, he's almost averaging a 60/50/90 shooting line which has never been achieved for a full season before.
Now I know this could be just a crazy hot streak and those numbers should come back to earth a little bit. However, I just want to give credit to all those who saw his potential and saw the beast lurking within Ponds like myself. I also said he could get to the 35-40 range of the 2019 mock draft by season's end...he's now at 34. I actually think if he keeps this up, he could get to the 20-25 range. If he can get stronger (get to about 185lbs) and really work on his playmaking abilities (they are there) there's no reason why he can't be a lottery pick next year and go in the 12-17 range.
Johnniesfilmmaker so you want to give credit to yourself. LOL Why not just give yourself some Academy Awards while your at it?
Check my basement. It's littered with fake Oscars.
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This post went up before the Butler game. Since that game, Ponds is averaging 32 points, 5 assists, 3 steals, 5 rebounds, and 4 turnovers (if he can bring that down by 2 and add another assist or two? Holy cow) while shooting 56% from the field, almost 49% from three, and 87% from the free throw line. Think about that, in the past 5 games, he's almost averaging a 60/50/90 shooting line which has never been achieved for a full season before.
Now I know this could be just a crazy hot streak and those numbers should come back to earth a little bit. However, I just want to give credit to all those who saw his potential and saw the beast lurking within Ponds like myself. I also said he could get to the 35-40 range of the 2019 mock draft by season's end...he's now at 34. I actually think if he keeps this up, he could get to the 20-25 range. If he can get stronger (get to about 185lbs) and really work on his playmaking abilities (they are there) there's no reason why he can't be a lottery pick next year and go in the 12-17 range.
You'll have to take a backseat to Marillac on this one, Junior. I've been talking about his NBA potential since before he played a game and have taken quite a bit of heat.
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This post went up before the Butler game. Since that game, Ponds is averaging 32 points, 5 assists, 3 steals, 5 rebounds, and 4 turnovers (if he can bring that down by 2 and add another assist or two? Holy cow) while shooting 56% from the field, almost 49% from three, and 87% from the free throw line. Think about that, in the past 5 games, he's almost averaging a 60/50/90 shooting line which has never been achieved for a full season before.
Now I know this could be just a crazy hot streak and those numbers should come back to earth a little bit. However, I just want to give credit to all those who saw his potential and saw the beast lurking within Ponds like myself. I also said he could get to the 35-40 range of the 2019 mock draft by season's end...he's now at 34. I actually think if he keeps this up, he could get to the 20-25 range. If he can get stronger (get to about 185lbs) and really work on his playmaking abilities (they are there) there's no reason why he can't be a lottery pick next year and go in the 12-17 range.
You'll have to take a backseat to Marillac on this one, Junior. I've been talking about his NBA potential since before he played a game and have taken quite a bit of heat.
Hopefully he is not taking advice from you. Another year if he plays well and cleans some things up I think he could be a late 1st round pick. If he leaves after this year, well.....
http://www.nbadraft.net/2018mock_draft
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http://www.nbadraft.net/2019mock_draft
For 2019 they have him going at end of 2nd BTW. I disagree with that.
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This post went up before the Butler game. Since that game, Ponds is averaging 32 points, 5 assists, 3 steals, 5 rebounds, and 4 turnovers (if he can bring that down by 2 and add another assist or two? Holy cow) while shooting 56% from the field, almost 49% from three, and 87% from the free throw line. Think about that, in the past 5 games, he's almost averaging a 60/50/90 shooting line which has never been achieved for a full season before.
Now I know this could be just a crazy hot streak and those numbers should come back to earth a little bit. However, I just want to give credit to all those who saw his potential and saw the beast lurking within Ponds like myself. I also said he could get to the 35-40 range of the 2019 mock draft by season's end...he's now at 34. I actually think if he keeps this up, he could get to the 20-25 range. If he can get stronger (get to about 185lbs) and really work on his playmaking abilities (they are there) there's no reason why he can't be a lottery pick next year and go in the 12-17 range.
You'll have to take a backseat to Marillac on this one, Junior. I've been talking about his NBA potential since before he played a game and have taken quite a bit of heat.
Hopefully he is not taking advice from you. Another year if he plays well and cleans some things up I think he could be a late 1st round pick. If he leaves after this year, well.....
http://www.nbadraft.net/2018mock_draft
Lol WASJU now predicting Ponds to be a first round pick?! Marillac with a resounding victory. If only you could admit you were wrong once instead of falling back on reevaluating his play and adjusting your opinion. That's another way of saying "he was better than I thought and I was wrong."
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This post went up before the Butler game. Since that game, Ponds is averaging 32 points, 5 assists, 3 steals, 5 rebounds, and 4 turnovers (if he can bring that down by 2 and add another assist or two? Holy cow) while shooting 56% from the field, almost 49% from three, and 87% from the free throw line. Think about that, in the past 5 games, he's almost averaging a 60/50/90 shooting line which has never been achieved for a full season before.
Now I know this could be just a crazy hot streak and those numbers should come back to earth a little bit. However, I just want to give credit to all those who saw his potential and saw the beast lurking within Ponds like myself. I also said he could get to the 35-40 range of the 2019 mock draft by season's end...he's now at 34. I actually think if he keeps this up, he could get to the 20-25 range. If he can get stronger (get to about 185lbs) and really work on his playmaking abilities (they are there) there's no reason why he can't be a lottery pick next year and go in the 12-17 range.
You'll have to take a backseat to Marillac on this one, Junior. I've been talking about his NBA potential since before he played a game and have taken quite a bit of heat.
Hopefully he is not taking advice from you. Another year if he plays well and cleans some things up I think he could be a late 1st round pick. If he leaves after this year, well.....
http://www.nbadraft.net/2018mock_draft
Lol WASJU now predicting Ponds to be a first round pick?! Marillac with a resounding victory. If only you could admit you were wrong once instead of falling back on reevaluating his play and adjusting your opinion. That's another way of saying "he was better than I thought and I was wrong."
Ponds is great. Don't love his outside shot. And as I said numerous times whatever a guy does or doesn't do once he leaves here has no bearing on what I thought of him when he was here.
If he stays, yes I think he could get drafted at back end of 1st round. I think would be a huge mistake to leave this year because he may not get drafted at all.
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http://www.nbadraft.net/2019mock_draft
For 2019 they have him going at end of 2nd BTW. I disagree with that.
These types of non-sanctioned sites are questionable...
Checked the "About" section and it doesn't even state who runs the site, how many scouts etc...
he NBADraft.net Mock Draft is a year round, continuously updated projection of the NBA Draft.
While the NBA season is going on, the teams are projected in reverse order of record. Once the NBA season ends, the order of the teams from 15-60 are in place. After the draft lottery each May, the official order of the draft is set.
Individual team needs are not factored into the mock draft until after the NBA season ends. NBADraft.net has been projecting the NBA draft since 2000.
Our projections are based on the opinions of the scouts that work for NBADraft.net, in conjunction with the NBA and International scouts that we speak with.
Contact Us: info@nbadraft.net
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and have taken quite a bit of heat.
The "heat" you've taken was deserved as you've fallen into the habit of denigrating St. John players in an unnecessary attempt to make your Bffl Ponds appear better.
The only bad things ever said about Walden is that Lovett, and now Simon, are also good and to point out that Shamorie wasn't shooting well at a time this season when his numbers were putridly low.
ALL Johnny fans know that he's great, is the best player on our team, and are very happy we have him.
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and have taken quite a bit of heat.
The "heat" you've taken was deserved as you've fallen into the habit of denigrating St. John players in an unnecessary attempt to make your Bffl Ponds appear better.
The only bad things ever said about Walden is that Lovett, and now Simon, are also good and to point out that Shamorie wasn't shooting well at a time this season when his numbers were putridly low.
ALL Johnny fans know that he's great, is the best player on our team, and are very happy we have him.
There were times this year and last where posters said he was not best player on team. And no one said he was shooting well when he wasn’t shooting well. They (me) said he’s a good shooter who’s not hitting shots for a variety of reasons.
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Perhaps we should agree SP is a great talent, a joy to watch & on his way to earning nice money professionally. Does it really matter who “discovered him” on Johnny Jungle!? :)
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Perhaps we should agree SP is a great talent, a joy to watch & on his way to earning nice money professionally. Does it really matter who “discovered him” on Johnny Jungle!? :)
Wow, that avatar of yours. That kid could fill Glover's and Clark's uniforms
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Perhaps we should agree SP is a great talent, a joy to watch & on his way to earning nice money professionally. Does it really matter who “discovered him” on Johnny Jungle!? :)
In a normal fan community it wouldn't, but 7 coaches in just over 20 years has caused our fans to alternate between being too negative and being unreasonably optimistic. It's good to identify posters that can see things before they happen.
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and have taken quite a bit of heat.
The "heat" you've taken was deserved as you've fallen into the habit of denigrating St. John players in an unnecessary attempt to make your Bffl Ponds appear better.
The only bad things ever said about Walden is that Lovett, and now Simon, are also good and to point out that Shamorie wasn't shooting well at a time this season when his numbers were putridly low.
ALL Johnny fans know that he's great, is the best player on our team, and are very happy we have him.
No not all fans thought that. WASJU said continiously that Lovett was better when I wrote Ponds would be one of the top 5 guards in the country and that he would take both Duval and Brunson to the woodshed. Go back and read the 5 pages of debate when I first mentioned Ponds was the best player we've had in 20 years. WASJU put him behind Hardy and Harrison -- which is not only absurd, it shows a complete lack of foresight.
There is a big difference with someone saying Ponds is good and someone saying Ponds was a first round pick and a top 5 guard in the country. I was the biggest Harrison fanboy going, but admitted early on that Ponds is in a different league.
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There were times this year and last where posters said he was not best player on team.
Perhaps I'm one of the posters you're referring too.
I thought that both L and P had equally good freshmen campaigns and stated so even though Ponds was getting more press and accolades.
By both my eye test and the numbers I had them tied with Ponds rebounding better and Lovett shooting and defending better. Ponds had the better scoring average largely due to the benefit of 3 1/2 games without Lovett in the lineup.
I referred to them as 1a and 1b top players while acknowledging that Sham was likely a better pro prospect.
Early this season I had Ponds pulling ahead of Lovett as our best player even with the horrific shooting numbers before Marcus' injury and defection rendered it a moot point.
From what I've read there's been no trashing of Ponds in this forum.
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http://www.nbadraft.net/2019mock_draft
For 2019 they have him going at end of 2nd BTW. I disagree with that.
These types of non-sanctioned sites are questionable...
Checked the "About" section and it doesn't even state who runs the site, how many scouts etc...
he NBADraft.net Mock Draft is a year round, continuously updated projection of the NBA Draft.
While the NBA season is going on, the teams are projected in reverse order of record. Once the NBA season ends, the order of the teams from 15-60 are in place. After the draft lottery each May, the official order of the draft is set.
Individual team needs are not factored into the mock draft until after the NBA season ends. NBADraft.net has been projecting the NBA draft since 2000.
Our projections are based on the opinions of the scouts that work for NBADraft.net, in conjunction with the NBA and International scouts that we speak with.
Contact Us: info@nbadraft.net
Non sanctioned? These guys have been doing this for well over a decade, and are pretty much right in the neighborhood when it comes to the picks. Check their track record.
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and have taken quite a bit of heat.
The "heat" you've taken was deserved as you've fallen into the habit of denigrating St. John players in an unnecessary attempt to make your Bffl Ponds appear better.
The only bad things ever said about Walden is that Lovett, and now Simon, are also good and to point out that Shamorie wasn't shooting well at a time this season when his numbers were putridly low.
ALL Johnny fans know that he's great, is the best player on our team, and are very happy we have him.
No not all fans thought that. WASJU said continiously that Lovett was better when I wrote Ponds would be one of the top 5 guards in the country and that he would take both Duval and Brunson to the woodshed. Go back and read the 5 pages of debate when I first mentioned Ponds was the best player we've had in 20 years. WASJU put him behind Hardy and Harrison -- which is not only absurd, it shows a complete lack of foresight.
There is a big difference with someone saying Ponds is good and someone saying Ponds was a first round pick and a top 5 guard in the country. I was the biggest Harrison fanboy going, but admitted early on that Ponds is in a different league.
Last year Ponds was a freshman and Lovett was better. Starting to turn towards end of year and Ponds was probably better by year end. Lovett was a man and Ponds a teenager. Guys get better. You really have gone crazy with some of the things you are saying. EVERYONE thinks Ponds is good. EVERYONE would like to see Ponds come back. EVERYONE would like Ponds to make the NBA. You are criticizing other guys on the team to prove your point and also taking shots at guys that were here before him.
If Ponds leaves after this year guess what he might not make the NBA. He is also not the next Steph Curry and he has an erratic jumper. Nothing I have said is negative towards Ponds. I really like Ponds. I just don't think he is some sort of Michael Jordan and Scarlett Johansson combination like you seem too.
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and have taken quite a bit of heat.
The "heat" you've taken was deserved as you've fallen into the habit of denigrating St. John players in an unnecessary attempt to make your Bffl Ponds appear better.
The only bad things ever said about Walden is that Lovett, and now Simon, are also good and to point out that Shamorie wasn't shooting well at a time this season when his numbers were putridly low.
ALL Johnny fans know that he's great, is the best player on our team, and are very happy we have him.
No not all fans thought that. WASJU said continiously that Lovett was better when I wrote Ponds would be one of the top 5 guards in the country and that he would take both Duval and Brunson to the woodshed. Go back and read the 5 pages of debate when I first mentioned Ponds was the best player we've had in 20 years. WASJU put him behind Hardy and Harrison -- which is not only absurd, it shows a complete lack of foresight.
There is a big difference with someone saying Ponds is good and someone saying Ponds was a first round pick and a top 5 guard in the country. I was the biggest Harrison fanboy going, but admitted early on that Ponds is in a different league.
Last year Ponds was a freshman and Lovett was better. Starting to turn towards end of year and Ponds was probably better by year end. Lovett was a man and Ponds a teenager. Guys get better. You really have gone crazy with some of the things you are saying. EVERYONE thinks Ponds is good. EVERYONE would like to see Ponds come back. EVERYONE would like Ponds to make the NBA. You are criticizing other guys on the team to prove your point and also taking shots at guys that were here before him.
If Ponds leaves after this year guess what he might not make the NBA. He is also not the next Steph Curry and he has an erratic jumper. Nothing I have said is negative towards Ponds. I really like Ponds. I just don't think he is some sort of Michael Jordan and Scarlett Johansson combination like you seem too.
You are just discovering that he is "going crazy?"
A guy who once said that Mike Brey is an overrated coach who got lucky when he inherited Ryan Humphrey a transfer from Oklahoma.
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Perhaps we should agree SP is a great talent, a joy to watch & on his way to earning nice money professionally. Does it really matter who “discovered him” on Johnny Jungle!? :)
In a normal fan community it wouldn't, but 7 coaches in just over 20 years has caused our fans to alternate between being too negative and being unreasonably optimistic. It's good to identify posters that can see things before they happen.
Pot meet kettle ;D
In the meantime, I'll keep my eyes out for a poster that fits that description...
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and have taken quite a bit of heat.
The "heat" you've taken was deserved as you've fallen into the habit of denigrating St. John players in an unnecessary attempt to make your Bffl Ponds appear better.
The only bad things ever said about Walden is that Lovett, and now Simon, are also good and to point out that Shamorie wasn't shooting well at a time this season when his numbers were putridly low.
ALL Johnny fans know that he's great, is the best player on our team, and are very happy we have him.
No not all fans thought that. WASJU said continiously that Lovett was better when I wrote Ponds would be one of the top 5 guards in the country and that he would take both Duval and Brunson to the woodshed. Go back and read the 5 pages of debate when I first mentioned Ponds was the best player we've had in 20 years. WASJU put him behind Hardy and Harrison -- which is not only absurd, it shows a complete lack of foresight.
There is a big difference with someone saying Ponds is good and someone saying Ponds was a first round pick and a top 5 guard in the country. I was the biggest Harrison fanboy going, but admitted early on that Ponds is in a different league.
Last year Ponds was a freshman and Lovett was better. Starting to turn towards end of year and Ponds was probably better by year end. Lovett was a man and Ponds a teenager. Guys get better. You really have gone crazy with some of the things you are saying. EVERYONE thinks Ponds is good. EVERYONE would like to see Ponds come back. EVERYONE would like Ponds to make the NBA. You are criticizing other guys on the team to prove your point and also taking shots at guys that were here before him.
If Ponds leaves after this year guess what he might not make the NBA. He is also not the next Steph Curry and he has an erratic jumper. Nothing I have said is negative towards Ponds. I really like Ponds. I just don't think he is some sort of Michael Jordan and Scarlett Johansson combination like you seem too.
You are just discovering that he is "going crazy?"
A guy who once said that Mike Brey is an overrated coach who got lucky when he inherited Ryan Humphrey a transfer from Oklahoma.
Almost as crazy as calling Pitt a top 15 program.
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and have taken quite a bit of heat.
The "heat" you've taken was deserved as you've fallen into the habit of denigrating St. John players in an unnecessary attempt to make your Bffl Ponds appear better.
The only bad things ever said about Walden is that Lovett, and now Simon, are also good and to point out that Shamorie wasn't shooting well at a time this season when his numbers were putridly low.
ALL Johnny fans know that he's great, is the best player on our team, and are very happy we have him.
No not all fans thought that. WASJU said continiously that Lovett was better when I wrote Ponds would be one of the top 5 guards in the country and that he would take both Duval and Brunson to the woodshed. Go back and read the 5 pages of debate when I first mentioned Ponds was the best player we've had in 20 years. WASJU put him behind Hardy and Harrison -- which is not only absurd, it shows a complete lack of foresight.
There is a big difference with someone saying Ponds is good and someone saying Ponds was a first round pick and a top 5 guard in the country. I was the biggest Harrison fanboy going, but admitted early on that Ponds is in a different league.
Last year Ponds was a freshman and Lovett was better. Starting to turn towards end of year and Ponds was probably better by year end. Lovett was a man and Ponds a teenager. Guys get better. You really have gone crazy with some of the things you are saying. EVERYONE thinks Ponds is good. EVERYONE would like to see Ponds come back. EVERYONE would like Ponds to make the NBA. You are criticizing other guys on the team to prove your point and also taking shots at guys that were here before him.
If Ponds leaves after this year guess what he might not make the NBA. He is also not the next Steph Curry and he has an erratic jumper. Nothing I have said is negative towards Ponds. I really like Ponds. I just don't think he is some sort of Michael Jordan and Scarlett Johansson combination like you seem too.
You are just discovering that he is "going crazy?"
A guy who once said that Mike Brey is an overrated coach who got lucky when he inherited Ryan Humphrey a transfer from Oklahoma.
Almost as crazy as calling Pitt a top 15 program.
Are you kidding me? A few years ago there was no question both UCONN and Pitt were top 15 programs, I believe SI.com not me had them as such. Now not so much. I would argue they are still attractive jobs, great facilities and money, but man they have fallen hard and fast.
I mean no one could foresee two programs who for a decade you could argue were two of the dominant programs in the Big East would fall that far and that fast.
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“Precisely my point from months earlier. The Catholic schools needed to bolt but don't kid yourself into thinking that losing Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, UCONN, ND and replacing them with Xavier and Butler is an equal swap.
Geez wait til the ACC gets Louisville next year. They will have arguably 4 of the top 10 most prestigious programs in the country. Cuse, Ville, UNC and Duke.
Throw in Pitt and and that is probably 5 of the top 15 jobs in America in 1 conference.”
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“Precisely my point from months earlier. The Catholic schools needed to bolt but don't kid yourself into thinking that losing Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, UCONN, ND and replacing them with Xavier and Butler is an equal swap.
Geez wait til the ACC gets Louisville next year. They will have arguably 4 of the top 10 most prestigious programs in the country. Cuse, Ville, UNC and Duke.
Throw in Pitt and and that is probably 5 of the top 15 jobs in America in 1 conference.”
It is going to suck to be the future Mrs Amaseinyourface. After every argument he is going to pull out a tape recorder to play back something Mrs Mase said 5 years ago.
Advice for when you do get married, "I never said that" is the go to move to deflect and defend and is universally understood that it should not be questioned further.
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“Precisely my point from months earlier. The Catholic schools needed to bolt but don't kid yourself into thinking that losing Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, UCONN, ND and replacing them with Xavier and Butler is an equal swap.
Geez wait til the ACC gets Louisville next year. They will have arguably 4 of the top 10 most prestigious programs in the country. Cuse, Ville, UNC and Duke.
Throw in Pitt and and that is probably 5 of the top 15 jobs in America in 1 conference.”
It is going to suck to be the future Mrs Amaseinyourface. After every argument he is going to pull out a tape recorder to play back something Mrs Mase said 5 years ago.
Advice for when you do get married, "I never said that" is the go to move to deflect and defend and is universally understood that it should not be questioned further.
Lol wouldn’t have to if people didn’t deny. Only thing that pisses me off is posters speaking in absolutes. Even in our ponds v hatten debate I always said it was fine to choose hatten. Besides didn’t you make your fame with tale of the tape.
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It's good to identify posters that can see things before they happen.
Remind me. Which poster thought Dom Pointer's was the worst scholarship awarded in the history of SJ's basketball and that Malik Stith was a Navy Seal who could out run a cheetah.
Everybody swings. It's good to identify posters who remember their misses as well as their hits.
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“Precisely my point from months earlier. The Catholic schools needed to bolt but don't kid yourself into thinking that losing Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, UCONN, ND and replacing them with Xavier and Butler is an equal swap.
Geez wait til the ACC gets Louisville next year. They will have arguably 4 of the top 10 most prestigious programs in the country. Cuse, Ville, UNC and Duke.
Throw in Pitt and and that is probably 5 of the top 15 jobs in America in 1 conference.”
It is going to suck to be the future Mrs Amaseinyourface. After every argument he is going to pull out a tape recorder to play back something Mrs Mase said 5 years ago.
Advice for when you do get married, "I never said that" is the go to move to deflect and defend and is universally understood that it should not be questioned further.
Lol wouldn’t have to if people didn’t deny. Only thing that pisses me off is posters speaking in absolutes. Even in our ponds v hatten debate I always said it was fine to choose hatten. Besides didn’t you make your fame with tale of the tape.
I have like 10,000 combined posts. Forgot some of what I posted yesterday. Honestly though some things are fluid. I thought Lovett was better than Ponds last year. Because Ponds improved and Lovett quit it doesn't mean I was wrong. At the time I thought Lovett was better. Somethings I am going to be wrong about but made sense at the time. I said no way Ponds would be first team all BE. At the time we were 0-8 or something. He went nuts and we won some games. No matter what happens over last 3 games he should certainly make first team. If we would have won out could have made argument for BE player of year.
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“Precisely my point from months earlier. The Catholic schools needed to bolt but don't kid yourself into thinking that losing Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, UCONN, ND and replacing them with Xavier and Butler is an equal swap.
Geez wait til the ACC gets Louisville next year. They will have arguably 4 of the top 10 most prestigious programs in the country. Cuse, Ville, UNC and Duke.
Throw in Pitt and and that is probably 5 of the top 15 jobs in America in 1 conference.”
It is going to suck to be the future Mrs Amaseinyourface. After every argument he is going to pull out a tape recorder to play back something Mrs Mase said 5 years ago.
Advice for when you do get married, "I never said that" is the go to move to deflect and defend and is universally understood that it should not be questioned further.
Lol wouldn’t have to if people didn’t deny. Only thing that pisses me off is posters speaking in absolutes. Even in our ponds v hatten debate I always said it was fine to choose hatten. Besides didn’t you make your fame with tale of the tape.
Honestly though some things are fluid.
Unlike Chris Mullins jumper? Kidding man
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“Precisely my point from months earlier. The Catholic schools needed to bolt but don't kid yourself into thinking that losing Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, UCONN, ND and replacing them with Xavier and Butler is an equal swap.
Geez wait til the ACC gets Louisville next year. They will have arguably 4 of the top 10 most prestigious programs in the country. Cuse, Ville, UNC and Duke.
Throw in Pitt and and that is probably 5 of the top 15 jobs in America in 1 conference.”
It is going to suck to be the future Mrs Amaseinyourface. After every argument he is going to pull out a tape recorder to play back something Mrs Mase said 5 years ago.
Advice for when you do get married, "I never said that" is the go to move to deflect and defend and is universally understood that it should not be questioned further.
Lol wouldn’t have to if people didn’t deny. Only thing that pisses me off is posters speaking in absolutes. Even in our ponds v hatten debate I always said it was fine to choose hatten. Besides didn’t you make your fame with tale of the tape.
Honestly though some things are fluid.
Unlike Chris Mullins jumper? Kidding man
My man Derek Brown had a nicer looking jumper than MUllin. It was real pretty up until it didn't go in. Lovett's jumper was also more aesthetically pleasing.
Mullin shot a kind of flick shot. Wasn't bad looking, just not classical looking jumper for such a great shooter. Was just talking about how it looked. Ichiro had like 5,00 combined hits. If my son tried hitting that way I would disown him.
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“Precisely my point from months earlier. The Catholic schools needed to bolt but don't kid yourself into thinking that losing Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, UCONN, ND and replacing them with Xavier and Butler is an equal swap.
Geez wait til the ACC gets Louisville next year. They will have arguably 4 of the top 10 most prestigious programs in the country. Cuse, Ville, UNC and Duke.
Throw in Pitt and and that is probably 5 of the top 15 jobs in America in 1 conference.”
No I get it and that is without question was a true statement at the time. There is no one who would have disagreed. Especially Louisville and Syracuse. Even today without Pitino and even with their problems that is still a top 10 job. In fact it will be interesting to see who Louisville can get with the cloud over hanging them.
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“Precisely my point from months earlier. The Catholic schools needed to bolt but don't kid yourself into thinking that losing Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, UCONN, ND and replacing them with Xavier and Butler is an equal swap.
Geez wait til the ACC gets Louisville next year. They will have arguably 4 of the top 10 most prestigious programs in the country. Cuse, Ville, UNC and Duke.
Throw in Pitt and and that is probably 5 of the top 15 jobs in America in 1 conference.”
No I get it and that is without question was a true statement at the time. There is no one who would have disagreed. Especially Louisville and Syracuse. Even today without Pitino and even with their problems that is still a top 10 job. In fact it will be interesting to see who Louisville can get with the cloud over hanging them.
Those other schools absolutely not. But the SI article you mentioned disagreed with Pitt.
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“Precisely my point from months earlier. The Catholic schools needed to bolt but don't kid yourself into thinking that losing Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, UCONN, ND and replacing them with Xavier and Butler is an equal swap.
Geez wait til the ACC gets Louisville next year. They will have arguably 4 of the top 10 most prestigious programs in the country. Cuse, Ville, UNC and Duke.
Throw in Pitt and and that is probably 5 of the top 15 jobs in America in 1 conference.”
It is going to suck to be the future Mrs Amaseinyourface. After every argument he is going to pull out a tape recorder to play back something Mrs Mase said 5 years ago.
Advice for when you do get married, "I never said that" is the go to move to deflect and defend and is universally understood that it should not be questioned further.
Lol wouldn’t have to if people didn’t deny. Only thing that pisses me off is posters speaking in absolutes. Even in our ponds v hatten debate I always said it was fine to choose hatten. Besides didn’t you make your fame with tale of the tape.
Honestly though some things are fluid.
Unlike Chris Mullins jumper? Kidding man
My man Derek Brown had a nicer looking jumper than MUllin. It was real pretty up until it didn't go in. Lovett's jumper was also more aesthetically pleasing.
Mullin shot a kind of flick shot. Wasn't bad looking, just not classical looking jumper for such a great shooter. Was just talking about how it looked. Ichiro had like 5,00 combined hits. If my son tried hitting that way I would disown him.
You’re right, game tapes I saw with Derek brown i thought his jumper looked sweet. Was surprised by his stats. And I was one of posters who said Lovett would be a good 3pt shooter in college and got slack for it.
Quick, ugliest left form in sju history? Guards only. I got Elijah “Kodak” Ingrim.
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“Precisely my point from months earlier. The Catholic schools needed to bolt but don't kid yourself into thinking that losing Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, UCONN, ND and replacing them with Xavier and Butler is an equal swap.
Geez wait til the ACC gets Louisville next year. They will have arguably 4 of the top 10 most prestigious programs in the country. Cuse, Ville, UNC and Duke.
Throw in Pitt and and that is probably 5 of the top 15 jobs in America in 1 conference.”
It is going to suck to be the future Mrs Amaseinyourface. After every argument he is going to pull out a tape recorder to play back something Mrs Mase said 5 years ago.
Advice for when you do get married, "I never said that" is the go to move to deflect and defend and is universally understood that it should not be questioned further.
Lol wouldn’t have to if people didn’t deny. Only thing that pisses me off is posters speaking in absolutes. Even in our ponds v hatten debate I always said it was fine to choose hatten. Besides didn’t you make your fame with tale of the tape.
Honestly though some things are fluid.
Unlike Chris Mullins jumper? Kidding man
My man Derek Brown had a nicer looking jumper than MUllin. It was real pretty up until it didn't go in. Lovett's jumper was also more aesthetically pleasing.
Mullin shot a kind of flick shot. Wasn't bad looking, just not classical looking jumper for such a great shooter. Was just talking about how it looked. Ichiro had like 5,00 combined hits. If my son tried hitting that way I would disown him.
You’re right, game tapes I saw with Derek brown i thought his jumper looked sweet. Was surprised by his stats. And I was one of posters who said Lovett would be a good 3pt shooter in college and got slack for it.
Quick, ugliest left form in sju history? Guards only. I got Elijah “Kodak” Ingrim.
Ingram w/o a doubt. Walter Berry shot from his shoulder but everything Berry did looked cool.
Chucky Sproling's form wasn't real ugly but the ball came out funky and he had some real ugly misses.
Another lefty who had a nice looking Jumper but never played and then left was Marcus Broadnax. Guy Louie recruited instead of Gary Payton I believe. Used to watch him drain jumper after jumper in warmups. Then we he did play he played scared.
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“Precisely my point from months earlier. The Catholic schools needed to bolt but don't kid yourself into thinking that losing Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, UCONN, ND and replacing them with Xavier and Butler is an equal swap.
Geez wait til the ACC gets Louisville next year. They will have arguably 4 of the top 10 most prestigious programs in the country. Cuse, Ville, UNC and Duke.
Throw in Pitt and and that is probably 5 of the top 15 jobs in America in 1 conference.”
No I get it and that is without question was a true statement at the time. There is no one who would have disagreed. Especially Louisville and Syracuse. Even today without Pitino and even with their problems that is still a top 10 job. In fact it will be interesting to see who Louisville can get with the cloud over hanging them.
Those other schools absolutely not. But the SI article you mentioned disagreed with Pitt.
Correct Pitt was slipping at the time. Part of the reason why Jamie left. But even so they still have the resources to bounce back. No question in 2010/11 they would have definitely been a top 15 job after that decade run in the BE.
I'm not sure what you mean by absolutely not?
And let's be honest I don't think anyone foresaw the brand that has now become Villanova. Villanova has not just been the dominant program in the BE it is now a top 10 overall program in America. Nobody saw that coming 5 years ago. Not that they could not be good but that they could be this good for this sustained period carrying the BE flag now. The ACC has the advantage of having UNC, Duke, Louisville and now Virginia. UNC won the NC last year, nearly won it two years ago and Duke probably has the best roster in college basketball. Syracuse went to the Final Four in 2016 and Louisville was looking like a pre-season top 5 team before their Pitino mess. Yet who is on the verge of winning 3 of the last 5 ACC regular season titles??? Virginia...
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“Precisely my point from months earlier. The Catholic schools needed to bolt but don't kid yourself into thinking that losing Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, UCONN, ND and replacing them with Xavier and Butler is an equal swap.
Geez wait til the ACC gets Louisville next year. They will have arguably 4 of the top 10 most prestigious programs in the country. Cuse, Ville, UNC and Duke.
Throw in Pitt and and that is probably 5 of the top 15 jobs in America in 1 conference.”
No I get it and that is without question was a true statement at the time. There is no one who would have disagreed. Especially Louisville and Syracuse. Even today without Pitino and even with their problems that is still a top 10 job. In fact it will be interesting to see who Louisville can get with the cloud over hanging them.
Those other schools absolutely not. But the SI article you mentioned disagreed with Pitt.
Correct Pitt was slipping at the time. Part of the reason why Jamie left. But even so they still have the resources to bounce back. No question in 2010/11 they would have definitely been a top 15 job after that decade run in the BE.
I'm not sure what you mean by absolutely not?
And let's be honest I don't think anyone foresaw the brand that has now become Villanova. Villanova has not just been the dominant program in the BE it is now a top 10 overall program in America. Nobody saw that coming 5 years ago. Not that they could not be good but that they could be this good for this sustained period carrying the BE flag now. The ACC has the advantage of having UNC, Duke, Louisville and now Virginia. UNC won the NC last year, nearly won it two years ago and Duke probably has the best roster in college basketball. Syracuse went to the Final Four in 2016 and Louisville was looking like a pre-season top 5 team before their Pitino mess. Yet who is on the verge of winning 3 of the last 5 ACC regular season titles??? Virginia...
By absolutely not I meant that absolutely no one would argue with the other schools you mentioned being top 15. Pitt tho, yes. Personally I never thought of Pitt as a better program than nova. Even before these last five years.
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“Precisely my point from months earlier. The Catholic schools needed to bolt but don't kid yourself into thinking that losing Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville, UCONN, ND and replacing them with Xavier and Butler is an equal swap.
Geez wait til the ACC gets Louisville next year. They will have arguably 4 of the top 10 most prestigious programs in the country. Cuse, Ville, UNC and Duke.
Throw in Pitt and and that is probably 5 of the top 15 jobs in America in 1 conference.”
It is going to suck to be the future Mrs Amaseinyourface. After every argument he is going to pull out a tape recorder to play back something Mrs Mase said 5 years ago.
Advice for when you do get married, "I never said that" is the go to move to deflect and defend and is universally understood that it should not be questioned further.
Lol wouldn’t have to if people didn’t deny. Only thing that pisses me off is posters speaking in absolutes. Even in our ponds v hatten debate I always said it was fine to choose hatten. Besides didn’t you make your fame with tale of the tape.
Honestly though some things are fluid.
Unlike Chris Mullins jumper? Kidding man
My man Derek Brown had a nicer looking jumper than MUllin. It was real pretty up until it didn't go in. Lovett's jumper was also more aesthetically pleasing.
Mullin shot a kind of flick shot. Wasn't bad looking, just not classical looking jumper for such a great shooter. Was just talking about how it looked. Ichiro had like 5,00 combined hits. If my son tried hitting that way I would disown him.
You’re right, game tapes I saw with Derek brown i thought his jumper looked sweet. Was surprised by his stats. And I was one of posters who said Lovett would be a good 3pt shooter in college and got slack for it.
Quick, ugliest left form in sju history? Guards only. I got Elijah “Kodak” Ingrim.
Well at least you didn't get any flack for it! ;)