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Title: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: Not The Sleaveless Guy on July 13, 2010, 06:37:55 PM
He's another Trigonis connection.


http://www.azcentral.com/sports/Blog/Richardobert/90376 (http://www.azcentral.com/sports/Blog/Richardobert/90376)


Link: http://twitter.com/C2CRecruiting/status/18470843689 (http://twitter.com/C2CRecruiting/status/18470843689)


Rivals profile: http://rivals.yahoo.com/utep/basketball/recruiting/player-Michael-Perez-102554 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/utep/basketball/recruiting/player-Michael-Perez-102554)



[tweet]http://twitter.com/C2CRecruiting/status/18470843689[/tweet]

Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: Poison on July 13, 2010, 07:12:26 PM
Another shooting guard? There must be some mistake.
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: JohnnyJungle on July 13, 2010, 07:12:46 PM
Ok this most likely confirms what I was hearing 2 days ago that Remi won't qualify for 2010. There is a lot of issues involving his schooling in France. Shame because I also hear he's seriously the real deal.

As for Mike Perez, don't know much about him except he plays with Jahii Carson who is highly touted 2011 player. Is this a package deal move? I hope we didn't use the scholarship for the sake of using the scholarship. AZ isn't exactly a basketball powerhouse state.
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: Poison on July 13, 2010, 07:15:25 PM
AZ isn't exactly a basketball powerhouse state.

That's true Dave, but neither is NY :)
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: Moose on July 13, 2010, 07:18:17 PM
Sleeveless,

What do you know about him, if anything?
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: JohnnyJungle on July 13, 2010, 07:20:13 PM
AZ isn't exactly a basketball powerhouse state.

That's true Dave, but neither is NY :)

Seriously you don't see the Pac-10 dipping into AZ too  much to recruit.
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: Moose on July 13, 2010, 07:32:32 PM
Ok this most likely confirms what I was hearing 2 days ago that Remi won't qualify for 2010. There is a lot of issues involving his schooling in France. Shame because I also hear he's seriously the real deal.

As for Mike Perez, don't know much about him except he plays with Jahii Carson who is highly touted 2011 player. Is this a package deal move? I hope we didn't use the scholarship for the sake of using the scholarship. AZ isn't exactly a basketball powerhouse state.

How quickly things change.  On 7/8 you were very confident in Remi coming.
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: JohnnyJungle on July 13, 2010, 07:33:55 PM
Pueblo's Michael Perez dunks on Flowing Wells (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2smOcf7c3aQ&feature=player_embedded#)
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: JohnnyJungle on July 13, 2010, 07:34:22 PM
Ok this most likely confirms what I was hearing 2 days ago that Remi won't qualify for 2010. There is a lot of issues involving his schooling in France. Shame because I also hear he's seriously the real deal.

As for Mike Perez, don't know much about him except he plays with Jahii Carson who is highly touted 2011 player. Is this a package deal move? I hope we didn't use the scholarship for the sake of using the scholarship. AZ isn't exactly a basketball powerhouse state.

How quickly things change.  On 7/8 you were very confident in Remi coming.

I didn't say he wasn't coming ;)
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: JohnnyJungle on July 13, 2010, 07:34:59 PM
Pueblo's Michael Perez on Ch 9 News vs Sabino High School (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uC2aOpgj6g&feature=related#)
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: JohnnyJungle on July 13, 2010, 07:35:57 PM
Michael Perez Messing Around in The Gym (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHMUtmYyq2E&feature=related#)
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: mjdinkins on July 13, 2010, 07:36:41 PM
http://pueblowarriors.org/blog/2010/03/michael-perez-recognized-as-player-of-the-year/ (http://pueblowarriors.org/blog/2010/03/michael-perez-recognized-as-player-of-the-year/)

***MJ I took the video out as it was already posted.
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: JohnnyJungle on July 13, 2010, 07:38:17 PM
Michael Perez & Bryce Cotton; ABCA Dunk Contest 5/29/10 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZgdsGj-wr8&feature=related#)

Michael Perez @ ABCA All Star Game 5/23/09 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Y5DEoBmZiM&feature=related#)
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: peter on July 13, 2010, 07:41:12 PM
also:
http://arizonapreps.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1067020 (http://arizonapreps.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1067020)

The talent at the SWS Senior Showcase was unreal. The top unsigned seniors converged at Gilbert Mesquite High School on March 21st to display their talents in front of 13 college coaches. Coaches from Arizona JUCOs as well as a couple of four-year colleges were in attendance.

....Leading the pack was our Showcase MVP Michael Perez from Tucson Pueblo High School. Perez not only possesses a complete game, he has very good athleticism as well. At 6'3'', Perez put on a high flying act that many of us in attendance had not see him do before....

Michael Perez - solid shooting, ball handing and playing-making ability in the both games we witnessed. He reminds many of former Dobson High star Mickey McConnell. This was the first time many in Phoenix got a chance to see Perez play, and they were not disappointed.
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: JohnnyJungle on July 13, 2010, 07:42:34 PM
Now if somehow Remi does qualify and is eligible next year someone else is for certain getting pushed out. (Quincy or Stith)
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: JohnnyJungle on July 13, 2010, 07:47:04 PM
A few questions I need to find the answers to....

How good was his highschool league?

Is he quick enough to play in the Big East?

Why were no other big time schools after him?

Is his handle good enough to play PG in college?

And will he rock the mustache in college?
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: Not The Sleaveless Guy on July 13, 2010, 07:48:18 PM
Sleeveless,

What do you know about him, if anything?
I only know that he was connected to Lavin's buddy, Dinos Trigonis, and  Etop Udo-Ema, who is Dinos' right hand man and founder of Compton Magic (if Dave wants his number or e-mail, I can get it). Implicitly or otherwise, this may well be a deal to get access to other players. I called someone who saw him in May at the Elite 8 and he said he thought frankly Perez was a low to mid DI player, but would be eligible immediately. Compton had six to seven better players. Despite Dinos' connections to Clark Francis, he didn't even make HoopScoop's top 500 seniors.
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: Moose on July 13, 2010, 07:52:47 PM
Sleeveless,

What do you know about him, if anything?
I only know that he was connected to Lavin's buddy, Dinos Trigonis, and  Etop Udo-Ema, who is Dinos' right hand man and founder of Compton Magic (if Dave wants his number or e-mail, I can get it). Implicitly or otherwise, this may well be a deal to get access to other players. I called someone who saw him in May at the Elite 8 and he said he thought frankly Perez was a low to mid DI player, but would be eligible immediately. Compton had six to seven better players. Despite Dinos' connections to Clark Francis, he didn't even make HoopScoop's top 500 seniors.

Eeek
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: Not The Sleaveless Guy on July 13, 2010, 08:06:22 PM
Sleeveless,

What do you know about him, if anything?
I only know that he was connected to Lavin's buddy, Dinos Trigonis, and  Etop Udo-Ema, who is Dinos' right hand man and founder of Compton Magic (if Dave wants his number or e-mail, I can get it). Implicitly or otherwise, this may well be a deal to get access to other players. I called someone who saw him in May at the Elite 8 and he said he thought frankly Perez was a low to mid DI player, but would be eligible immediately. Compton had six to seven better players. Despite Dinos' connections to Clark Francis, he didn't even make HoopScoop's top 500 seniors.

Eeek
I just hope we get a really good player to make it worthwhile.
Isaiah Austin's dad doesn't need the money, but he'd be a top 5-10 caliber player in the 2012. Whether he develops into an NBA player or not, Jahii Carson is a legit top 100 player in the 2011 class and would be our best point since EI-not that it is a high level to reach. I'd like to know how strong Arizona feels they are with Nick Johnson vs. Carson.
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: mkras99 on July 13, 2010, 08:14:48 PM
Sounds like a Norm Roberts-type recruit (Ty Edmondson part II, anyone?)
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: JohnnyJungle on July 13, 2010, 08:23:34 PM
Sounds like a Norm Roberts-type recruit (Ty Edmondson part II, anyone?)

Thats what I fear.
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: Moose on July 13, 2010, 08:26:20 PM
Difference is that Lavin has a track record of success.  And its year 1, not year 5.  If in year 5 he's pulling rabbits out of a hat like Norm and Edmondson yes we have problems.  If Perez turns into Carson and Nick Johnson I know I would be very happy.  I'm glad he used the ship.  We need people with something under their belt the year after next.
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: mjdinkins on July 13, 2010, 08:27:05 PM
Sounds like a Norm Roberts-type recruit (Ty Edmondson part II, anyone?)

Thats what I fear.

I'm sure that is in the back of many of our minds.
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: Moose on July 13, 2010, 08:29:15 PM
For years I've clammored for that mid major guard who torched us.  Have we found that?

http://www.hoopsreport.com/news/eventreports/swsseniorshowcase (http://www.hoopsreport.com/news/eventreports/swsseniorshowcase)

Mike Perez 6’4 SR (G) Pueblo H.S. (Tucson)
Perez has the total package. Mike was a top 5 performer in this event. Mike shoots it very well mid or long range, handles the ball well, very athletic and has a very good mental game to go along with all of his physical attributes. Perez is definitely a mid major prospect possibly a high major prospect depending on the program.
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: jumpinjohnny on July 13, 2010, 08:37:29 PM
As for Mike Perez, don't know much about him except he plays with Jahii Carson who is highly touted 2011 player. Is this a package deal move?

From the first link....
"Carson, the 5-11 dynamo with a 42-inch vertical jump, has been leaning toward Arizona. But he recently received an e-mail from North Carolina coach Roy Williams."
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: peter on July 13, 2010, 08:42:19 PM
You know what, though?  Maybe he ends up being a specialist.  Remember that Cedric Jackson fella? A And Geno Lawrence?  He did a few things well, but shouldn't have been taking many shots.  Perhaps this is a guy who can defend well, or play combo guard in a pinch.  And remember there is a better training staff around him, as well.  With Norm, it was iffy talent, combined with a need to depend only on iffy talent (no stars around), and a lack of development in shooting and defense that made for a bad product.

And TyShwan was, honestly, far worse than I am sure any of the staff imagined.  He looked worse than the walk-ons in Norm's first year.
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: Not The Sleaveless Guy on July 13, 2010, 10:56:17 PM
http://coast2coastrecruiting.net/2010/07/mike-perez-to-st-john/ (http://coast2coastrecruiting.net/2010/07/mike-perez-to-st-john/)




Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: mjdinkins on July 13, 2010, 11:04:59 PM
From the first link....
"Carson, the 5-11 dynamo with a 42-inch vertical jump, has been leaning toward Arizona. But he recently received an e-mail from North Carolina coach Roy Williams."

Yes, I saw that, as well, jumpinjohnny.  Not the best of news for us, but hopefully we are still standing on solid ground.
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: JohnnyJungle on July 14, 2010, 01:43:00 AM
Some new information...

[tweet]http://twitter.com/JohnnyJungleSTJ/status/18492695124[/tweet]
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: Marillac on July 14, 2010, 04:13:17 AM
I'm not sure what to think.  At first I was pissed.  He shows some good stuff in the limited video we have on him, though.  His leaping ability is top-notch.  I tend too put more into body control while leaping, as most weight lifters I know possess pretty ridiculous verticals and next to no athletic ability. 

I guess we have to trust Lavin.  If this kid can stroke it and handle the ball, he could really help us.  I need to see some in-game footage of him running the show. 

I would guess that Lavin doesn't add this kid unless he knows for sure Remi won't qualify.
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: jumpinjohnny on July 14, 2010, 08:34:14 AM
http://tucsoncitizen.com/highschoolsports/2010/07/13/former-pueblo-hoops-star-michael-perez-is-on-his-way-to-st-johns/ (http://tucsoncitizen.com/highschoolsports/2010/07/13/former-pueblo-hoops-star-michael-perez-is-on-his-way-to-st-johns/)

Then: Perez graduated from Pueblo this spring with a slim at chance at a walk-on position at UTEP.

Now: After impressing the school from the mighty Big East at an AAU tournament in Long Beach this past weekend, Steve Lavin offered him a spot and Perez accepted the offer almost immediately.

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Previous reports have offers from Central Arizona and a little interest from UTEP.

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One wonders if former Arizona assistant coach Mike Dunlap had a say in offering Perez a scholarship. Dunlap was part of the staff that took Arizona to the Sweet 16 in 2009 when Perez was a junior and is now an assistant coach at St. John’s. Maybe he picked up an afternoon newspaper that year?
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: jumpinjohnny on July 14, 2010, 08:37:41 AM
Quotes from Dad about accepting a scholarship.  Maybe it was a conditional offer but it sounds like a done deal to me.
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: Moose on July 14, 2010, 08:37:56 AM
Some new information...

[tweet]http://twitter.com/JohnnyJungleSTJ/status/18492695124[/tweet]

So the quotes from Perez himself where he is quoted as saying he accepted the offer aren't true?
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: manbearpig on July 14, 2010, 08:58:22 AM
manbearpig says welcome  mike perez
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: rdstr25 on July 14, 2010, 09:15:09 AM
At this point, it really does not matter who we got for 2010 unless it was barry.  We have Polee and a lot of upperclassman who will eat up the minutes and make us go as a team.  The obvious fact is all the top talent is way gone but for a kid not to have one scholarship offer is really upsetting that he is coming to SJU.   I know their are kids to fall through the cracks, but this one fell through a pot hole.  How could you average 29 points and not get ONE OFFER???  Whatever the case may be, if he sees 5 minutes a game so be it.  We still have a ton of scholarships to use for the next few years and I believe that this staff knows how to recruit and coach. 

I know there are kids out there intrigued by SJU with the new staff.  However I am sure that they are holding out on deciding on us so that they can see how we do this year and rightfully so.  The more wins we get and better the atmosphere around our program, these 0 star kids coming will be a thing of the past.

Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: kaprookie on July 14, 2010, 10:36:46 AM
http://tucsoncitizen.com/highschoolsports/2010/07/13/former-pueblo-hoops-star-michael-perez-is-on-his-way-to-st-johns/ (http://tucsoncitizen.com/highschoolsports/2010/07/13/former-pueblo-hoops-star-michael-perez-is-on-his-way-to-st-johns/)

Philadelphia will seem like another world? Jeezus Christmas...c'mon, writer! :down:
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: Not The Sleaveless Guy on July 14, 2010, 10:53:54 AM
http://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/18524671548 (http://twitter.com/AdamZagoria/status/18524671548)
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: jumpinjohnny on July 14, 2010, 11:01:03 AM
Wow!  Offer pending review of transcript?
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: SJU79 on July 14, 2010, 11:39:10 AM
"offer" has nothing to do with transcript
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: rdstr25 on July 14, 2010, 11:41:05 AM
This is trully unreal.  This kid comes from no where.  He has no scholarship offers from anywhere now all of sudden this morning he is destined for SJU with the only school offering him.  I still do not understand, how a DII player could possibly even remotely have enough skills to play in the Big East.   Now, people are saying he has not been offered.   This is crazy.
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: jumpinjohnny on July 14, 2010, 11:53:15 AM
"offer" has nothing to do with transcript

I have no idea what's going on...but one of the stories mentioned that he had to send in his transcript for review.  Possible academic issues?  I just figured it was a possible conditional offer based on review of his academic record therefore it has not been formally finalized.  He and his father sure seem to think its a done deal though. 

Sounds like the first misstep in the Lavin era.
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: rdstr25 on July 14, 2010, 12:00:53 PM
I just would love someone to clear up the fact how this kid has had 0 interest from anyone in this country and somehow got an offer from us.
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: Moose on July 14, 2010, 12:24:18 PM
I just would love someone to clear up the fact how this kid has had 0 interest from anyone in this country and somehow got an offer from us.

Academics maybe?
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: PEEKSKILLREDDEVIL on July 14, 2010, 12:36:36 PM
In Lavin we TRUST......welcome aboard Mike!
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: Tha Kid on July 14, 2010, 01:19:48 PM
"offer" has nothing to do with transcript

I have no idea what's going on...but one of the stories mentioned that he had to send in his transcript for review.  Possible academic issues?  I just figured it was a possible conditional offer based on review of his academic record therefore it has not been formally finalized.  He and his father sure seem to think its a done deal though. 

Sounds like the first misstep in the Lavin era.


Regardless of what happens, how could this be a misstep?  He was hired in April.  Unrealistic expectations.  It's a body to fill our squad, AND might help us get a better player next year.  Who cares?
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: Moose on July 14, 2010, 01:28:17 PM
"offer" has nothing to do with transcript

I have no idea what's going on...but one of the stories mentioned that he had to send in his transcript for review.  Possible academic issues?  I just figured it was a possible conditional offer based on review of his academic record therefore it has not been formally finalized.  He and his father sure seem to think its a done deal though. 

Sounds like the first misstep in the Lavin era.


Regardless of what happens, how could this be a misstep?  He was hired in April.  Unrealistic expectations.  It's a body to fill our squad, AND might help us get a better player next year.  Who cares?

Exactly.
Am I a little perplexed?  Sure.  But this is Steve Lavin here a proven commodity, not Norm Roberts.  If he was the first scholarship for 2011 then yes I would be worried.  We NEEDED to use another ship this year.  We needed another returning player for the 11-12 season.
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: peter on July 14, 2010, 01:40:27 PM
Good points, Moose, Kid.  Maybe this is a guy who can develop nicely with Rico Hines training.  To be honest, I thought TyShwan could have been better with some weight and some training (and confidence).  At worst, this is a guy who provides depth and maybe some basketball IQ if/ when the team trots out 5 freshmen at times in 2011.
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: JohnnyJungle on July 14, 2010, 01:59:53 PM
I hate to sounds pessimistic but Liam Biesty averaged the same ppg in high school and Ty Edmondson won a dunk contest or two in high school. I'm trying to dig up as much as I can and relay the information to you guys. I do believe there may be some concern over his eligibility which is why he wasn't heavily recruited but I think if he was that good he'd still have more coaches knocking on his door.
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: sjd8886 on July 14, 2010, 02:11:26 PM
I hate to sounds pessimistic but Liam Biesty averaged the same ppg in high school and Ty Edmondson won a dunk contest or two in high school. I'm trying to dig up as much as I can and relay the information to you guys. I do believe there may be some concern over his eligibility which is why he wasn't heavily recruited but I think if he was that good he'd still have more coaches knocking on his door.

what scares me is he was on the same team with Jahii Carson...so there were def coaches in the house seeing him play...and no offers?, literally not one D1 offer?  maybe some of you guys are right and this is just a move to make someone happy and open another recruiting pipeline
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: peter on July 14, 2010, 02:15:38 PM
Biesty put up 29 points/ game?!

I think this could play into a narrative about Steve's evaluation of non-elite talent, BUT consider that this guy is probably not recruited to be the PG of the future or the C/F of the future, Dave.  He might be a solid player.  he might be a bench player in the areas where there will already be 3 signed recruits (Polee at SF, Q. Roberts at SG/SF and Stith at PG).  To be honest, 6'1-6'4 backcourt players pop up all over the place, they're replaceable if they suck.  But maybe Lavin and/ or one of his assistants saw something nice in the kid.  I'm not burying him with pessimism yet.
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: rdstr25 on July 14, 2010, 02:19:35 PM
I wonder if we could of got this kid by giving him a grant or some kind of financial aid?  Why waste a scholarship on him?  I know we have a lot but so what. We can carry this ship over if their is no one available and use it next year or the year after.   This staff was supposed to come in and make an impact right away.  Polee was a great sign and believed that Remi was next even though he will not qualify but I just do not see the point of this kid.   I saw someone say we need bodies going into 2011, but what good is a body if they do not see the floor?
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: Not The Sleaveless Guy on July 14, 2010, 02:21:35 PM
I hate to sounds pessimistic but Liam Biesty averaged the same ppg in high school and Ty Edmondson won a dunk contest or two in high school. I'm trying to dig up as much as I can and relay the information to you guys. I do believe there may be some concern over his eligibility which is why he wasn't heavily recruited but I think if he was that good he'd still have more coaches knocking on his door.


what scares me is he was on the same team with Jahii Carson...so there were def coaches in the house seeing him play...and no offers?, literally not one D1 offer?  maybe some of you guys are right and this is just a move to make someone happy and open another recruiting pipeline

It has to be. Compton Magic has and had plenty of talent. They were on a 30 game winning streak this spring, until they lost last week in the Adidas Invitational. As my man said, this kid had low to mid-major talent (which I think he threw in as the upside to make it more palatable) in May. Lavin may have been out of the game for a few years, but, if it was any other program, my gut instinct would tell me that a deal was cut to get somebody else. Hopefully, the player they get in the package is worthwhile and in the near future we won't need to do any packages.
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: JohnnyJungle on July 14, 2010, 02:28:26 PM
Biesty put up 29 points/ game?!

I think this could play into a narrative about Steve's evaluation of non-elite talent, BUT consider that this guy is probably not recruited to be the PG of the future or the C/F of the future, Dave.  He might be a solid player.  he might be a bench player in the areas where there will already be 3 signed recruits (Polee at SF, Q. Roberts at SG/SF and Stith at PG).  To be honest, 6'1-6'4 backcourt players pop up all over the place, they're replaceable if they suck.  But maybe Lavin and/ or one of his assistants saw something nice in the kid.  I'm not burying him with pessimism yet.

He put up 27 :) close enough though.

I guess I'm not pessimistic but rather cautious. Quincy Roberts came in a scholarship where we could give it to a guy who could develop off the bench but this is a scholarship we're gonna need to contribute next year.
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: Moose on July 14, 2010, 02:30:58 PM
Lets keep things in perspective.

He is the 13th member of the team.

Sure a lot of complaining for the last guy on the roster.
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: rdstr25 on July 14, 2010, 02:40:03 PM
Let me get this straight.  He has no other offers, Lavin is in town, offers this kid.  He says yes right away, and have never been to the campus or NY?  This is one of the weirdest things I have ever heard.
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: gonzalo on July 14, 2010, 02:40:49 PM
Lets keep things in perspective.

He is the 13th member of the team.

Sure a lot of complaining for the last guy on the roster.

Perspective: When Omari Lawrence transferred the general comment was: "Don´t worry. We´ll get better players"
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: jumpinjohnny on July 14, 2010, 02:42:52 PM
Giving the ship out to a guy that was going to walk-on at UTEP sounds strange.  Hopefully he turns out to be a stud.  It's not like I'm saying its the end of the world but I would have preferred he held the ship for 2012 rather than just have a body.  Its what I'd call a misstep.  Not a big deal but a misstep nonetheless.  Hopefully Perez proves Lavin to be a genius.
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: Moose on July 14, 2010, 02:48:02 PM
Lets keep things in perspective.

He is the 13th member of the team.

Sure a lot of complaining for the last guy on the roster.

Perspective: When Omari Lawrence transferred the general comment was: "Don´t worry. We´ll get better players"


Gonzalo- Outside of Remi Barry (Academic questions) and Chris Hill (again academic questions) who do you see out there for 2010 being mentioned with us?  Nobody.  If Lavin is doing this in his 4th or 5th year then people can complain.  It's year one and hes trying to come up from under the scholarship mess that Norm left.  13th player on the roster and people are making it seem like we gave up signing a McDonalds AA for him?
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: Moose on July 14, 2010, 02:50:29 PM
Giving the ship out to a guy that was going to walk-on at UTEP sounds strange.  Hopefully he turns out to be a stud.  It's not like I'm saying its the end of the world but I would have preferred he held the ship for 2012 rather than just have a body.  Its what I'd call a misstep.  Not a big deal but a misstep nonetheless.  Hopefully Perez proves Lavin to be a genius.


You mean 2011 not 2012?
He's evening out the classes.  9 newcomers is easier to swallow than 10 newcomers next year.  4 returning players (Polee, Stith, Perez, Roberts) is better than 3.
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: gonzalo on July 14, 2010, 02:57:28 PM

Gonzalo- Outside of Remi Barry (Academic questions) and Chris Hill (again academic questions) who do you see out there for 2010 being mentioned with us?  Nobody.  If Lavin is doing this in his 4th or 5th year then people can complain.  It's year one and hes trying to come up from under the scholarship mess that Norm left.  13th player on the roster and people are making it seem like we gave up signing a McDonalds AA for him?

I see what you want to say, although I´m sure that we have been involved with more players.

I was not expecting a McDonald´s All American this year. But I expected more than a player that was going to be a walk-on in UTEP.

Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: peter on July 14, 2010, 03:10:34 PM
Almost any US player who is available at this point - even low level guys - is gonna have academic questions.  Or they would have pledged to a D-II or D-III or JUCO or NAIA. It's freaking July.
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: peter on July 14, 2010, 03:15:38 PM
Or they could just not be that good.  But remember Donald Williams who almost committed, then walked on at kentucky?  He went to JUCO, and signed with Ole Miss.  Maybe, despite his mystery status and the fact that he walked on, there's a decent player in Donald Williams... maybe the same applies to Perez, given a few years.
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: jumpinjohnny on July 14, 2010, 03:16:17 PM
Giving the ship out to a guy that was going to walk-on at UTEP sounds strange.  Hopefully he turns out to be a stud.  It's not like I'm saying its the end of the world but I would have preferred he held the ship for 2012 rather than just have a body.  Its what I'd call a misstep.  Not a big deal but a misstep nonetheless.  Hopefully Perez proves Lavin to be a genius.


You mean 2011 not 2012?
He's evening out the classes.  9 newcomers is easier to swallow than 10 newcomers next year.  4 returning players (Polee, Stith, Perez, Roberts) is better than 3.

I mean 2012...how about 8 newcomers in 2011 and save a couple of ships for 2012 to start to balance out the ships.  If this guy is truly the 13th man, I think its a mistake.  Save the role players for the 2011 class and hold some schollies over for high level 2012 players.

And I think you guys are being a little sensitive.  We're not exactly ripping Lavin apart.
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: Moose on July 14, 2010, 03:21:52 PM
Giving the ship out to a guy that was going to walk-on at UTEP sounds strange.  Hopefully he turns out to be a stud.  It's not like I'm saying its the end of the world but I would have preferred he held the ship for 2012 rather than just have a body.  Its what I'd call a misstep.  Not a big deal but a misstep nonetheless.  Hopefully Perez proves Lavin to be a genius.


You mean 2011 not 2012?
He's evening out the classes.  9 newcomers is easier to swallow than 10 newcomers next year.  4 returning players (Polee, Stith, Perez, Roberts) is better than 3.

I mean 2012...how about 8 newcomers in 2011 and save a couple of ships for 2012 to start to balance out the ships.  If this guy is truly the 13th man, I think its a mistake.  Save the role players for the 2011 class and hold some schollies over for high level 2012 players.

And I think you guys are being a little sensitive.  We're not exactly ripping Lavin apart.

Not being sensitive.  I just think its very quick to judge what his plans are.   CRgreen has mentioned in the past how Lavin gets cute with schollies and walk ons.

I agree its pointless to use all 9 or 10 in one shot.  We know how 2012 has solid players and why limit ourselves to just 2011 class.  I would be shocked to see more than 6 or 7 in 2011.
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: Marillac on July 14, 2010, 03:30:19 PM
I'm kind of shocked by you guys.  What has Lavin ever done on the recruiting end to make you question him?  Nobody will say a bad word about his recruiting ability. 

The man knows everyone, and I'm sure Arizona is one of his more extensive networks.  All the big boys were probably doubting this kid's ability since he played in rather unimpressive league.  It seems like he really had a nice run this summer and he proved that he could hang with the best.  Lavin must have seen something to offer him on the spot.

If this were Norm, I'd be foaming at the mouth.  I'm going to trust Lavin on this one, though.  He got us a consensus top 100 player in the first month of his employment.  It took Norm six years to get 2-3.

I also think Remi is very much in play for 2011.
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: JohnnyJungle on July 14, 2010, 03:44:14 PM
It feels good to actually talk some St. John's hoops again. Its been like a month since we've had anything good to talk about.

I'd welcome the addition of Mike Perez to St. John's but its certainly valid to question whether or not offering him a scholarship is going to help this program reach the level of success we are expecting to reach under Coach Lavin.
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: Not The Sleaveless Guy on July 14, 2010, 03:51:41 PM
I'm kind of shocked by you guys.  What has Lavin ever done on the recruiting end to make you question him?  Nobody will say a bad word about his recruiting ability. 

The man knows everyone, and I'm sure Arizona is one of his more extensive networks.  All the big boys were probably doubting this kid's ability since he played in rather unimpressive league.  It seems like he really had a nice run this summer and he proved that he could hang with the best.  Lavin must have seen something to offer him on the spot.

If this were Norm, I'd be foaming at the mouth.  I'm going to trust Lavin on this one, though.  He got us a consensus top 100 player in the first month of his employment.  It took Norm six years to get 2-3.

I also think Remi is very much in play for 2011.
He plays for the Compton Magic, which gets plenty of exposure (top 3-4 program right now on the WC and is run by Dinos' right-hand man, Etop). Dinos is the middleman. The "big boys" definitely saw him play.

I could care less about a thirteenth man, but I am curious who they will get in return.
I am glad to see him gone, but I do wonder what deals Norm could've cut, if they didn't tie his hands. He was creative with Self.
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: Moose on July 14, 2010, 03:56:11 PM
I'm kind of shocked by you guys.  What has Lavin ever done on the recruiting end to make you question him?  Nobody will say a bad word about his recruiting ability. 

The man knows everyone, and I'm sure Arizona is one of his more extensive networks.  All the big boys were probably doubting this kid's ability since he played in rather unimpressive league.  It seems like he really had a nice run this summer and he proved that he could hang with the best.  Lavin must have seen something to offer him on the spot.

If this were Norm, I'd be foaming at the mouth.  I'm going to trust Lavin on this one, though.  He got us a consensus top 100 player in the first month of his employment.  It took Norm six years to get 2-3.

I also think Remi is very much in play for 2011.

The League was not that bad according to CRgreen.  Same league produced Mike Bibby and Ryan Walcott who played for Lavin. 
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: Marillac on July 14, 2010, 04:24:18 PM
I'm kind of shocked by you guys.  What has Lavin ever done on the recruiting end to make you question him?  Nobody will say a bad word about his recruiting ability. 

The man knows everyone, and I'm sure Arizona is one of his more extensive networks.  All the big boys were probably doubting this kid's ability since he played in rather unimpressive league.  It seems like he really had a nice run this summer and he proved that he could hang with the best.  Lavin must have seen something to offer him on the spot.

If this were Norm, I'd be foaming at the mouth.  I'm going to trust Lavin on this one, though.  He got us a consensus top 100 player in the first month of his employment.  It took Norm six years to get 2-3.

I also think Remi is very much in play for 2011.
He plays for the Compton Magic, which gets plenty of exposure (top 3-4 program right now on the WC and is run by Dinos' right-hand man, Etop). Dinos is the middleman. The "big boys" definitely saw him play.

I could care less about a thirteenth man, but I am curious who they will get in return.
I am glad to see him gone, but I do wonder what deals Norm could've cut, if they didn't tie his hands. He was creative with Self.
   
I was under the impression that his stint with Compton just began.  If so, that could be why there is new interest in him.  I don't know the reasoning, but I am not going to doubt Lavin.  He is connected in California and Arizona and I'm sure this kid intrigued some people that have Lavin's ear. 
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: peter on July 14, 2010, 04:59:13 PM
Thing is, I would have loved to see a recruit who can play down low in development for 2011.  It takes bigs a little longer to get the size and knowledge to play in the bigger leagues unless they're blue chippers; and the 2011 class is not heavy on big men like the 2012 class is.
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: sjd8886 on July 18, 2010, 04:07:11 PM
ive never even heard of this kid before he committed, but with the staff lavin has on hand, im sure taking on a point with good size for his position and decent athleticism is not such a bad idea considering the amount of scholarships he has to fill next year...evening out the scholarship situation could be a big factor here...also, you have to believe that he is waiting for remi to either be cleared or not be cleared before this kid is signed...remember, at this point there are no LIO's, so this kid saying he wants to come is just talk...and if remi comes, maybe this kid walks on and is given a scholie at some point in the future...that wouldnt be terrible considering our depth at PG
Title: Re: Mike Perez Commits
Post by: peter on July 20, 2010, 11:00:34 PM
So the non-commitment may have helped Mike Perez.  This is about the Rhode Island Rams; the author, I think, didn't do a lot of first hand searching about whether Perez was committed or not, so ignore that part:

http://www.projo.com/pc/content/URI_Rams_PC_Friars_NCAA_McNamara_07-21-10_87J_v3.1eeadbc.html (http://www.projo.com/pc/content/URI_Rams_PC_Friars_NCAA_McNamara_07-21-10_87J_v3.1eeadbc.html)

The Rams have also been mentioned with Michael Perez, a 6-5 swingman from Tucson, Aziz., who led the state in scoring at nearly 30 points a game. Perez was at one time committed to attend St. John’s but that may not be a done deal due to issues with his eligibility.