6th Man of St. John's Basketball
St. John's Red Storm => In The Jungle... => Topic started by: Tiger on February 01, 2014, 02:57:34 PM
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A week ago I was so down on this team. It must be February, cause they looked great today. Hitting threes, rebounding, steals, assist. Totally different club. I'm back on the
band wagon.
I am sorry Coach Lavin for suggesting Ben Howland should replace you. It was all the depression meds I was on.
Go Storm! Beat Providence!!!
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You got Lavin'd.
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The life of a NY sports fan. Over-react and call for a coach's head after one loss and over-react and think all is right and the team will win the BET after one win
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The hope is Lavin is right and we crushed a team that has been spanking is for years and was picked to finish first. Not only are appear to actually be "gelling" on 1 Feb, but we crushed a legit team. If this was against DePaul I'm pretty sure there wod be as much hope in Mudville...As you said we are only as optismistic as our next win.
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The hope is Lavin is right and we crushed a team that has been spanking is for years and was picked to finish first. Not only are appear to actually be "gelling" on 1 Feb, but we crushed a legit team. If this was against DePaul I'm pretty sure there wod be as much hope in Mudville...As you said we are only as optismistic as our next win.
Marquette isnt a "legit" team this year. They are an NIT team at best. Lets not go crazy now
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It was a good win, but let's not get too crazy. Marquette is really struggling this year. Let's see what this team does the next 2 games against Providence and Creighton before we think we have something more than a shot at the NIT.
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The hope is Lavin is right and we crushed a team that has been spanking is for years and was picked to finish first. Not only are appear to actually be "gelling" on 1 Feb, but we crushed a legit team. If this was against DePaul I'm pretty sure there wod be as much hope in Mudville...As you said we are only as optismistic as our next win.
Marquette isnt a "legit" team this year. They are an NIT team at best. Lets not go crazy now
I'm surprised at how bad they've been. They were my #1 team preseason. I really liked their freshman.
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It's February and we're gelling and "are a dangerous team", just like Lavin said. He's a genius savant. ;)
That must be Buzz' worst team ever.
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The fact this team has had our number for years and we spanked them is a definite positive. If they won this game the would have been 5-4 which puts them in the mix of the BE, so SJU beat somebody ahead of them is a positive.
We have to go on a big winning streak to get back in the mix of things, but I am a little more optimistic after beating Marqutte then I would have if we beaten SH.
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The hope is Lavin is right and we crushed a team that has been spanking is for years and was picked to finish first. Not only are appear to actually be "gelling" on 1 Feb, but we crushed a legit team. If this was against DePaul I'm pretty sure there wod be as much hope in Mudville...As you said we are only as optismistic as our next win.
Marquette isnt a "legit" team this year. They are an NIT team at best. Lets not go crazy now
I'm surprised at how bad they've been. They were my #1 team preseason. I really liked their freshman.
Junior Cadougan...most underrated player in the country. I must have posted that a dozen times the last few years.
They were #1 on a lot of lists, but that is mostly because there was no proven Big East alternative, and nobody really knew how the other schools would adapt in the first year to dominate enough to be #1. Buzz reloads every year and they have always replaced talent and done well.
Our season goes in two very different directions after the Providence game. It is they key to the season. I think we'll win all the remaining home games--even Creighton--and @ SH and @Marquette. A win on the road at Providence would be a ten spot RPI jump, put us at 14-9, and give us a win over a tournament team.
I've had the Nova game circled (figuratively) for a while on 2/22. That is not a key to the season, but the team will be a damn near finished product and you just can't get swept in this conference. I expect a battle.
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The hope is Lavin is right and we crushed a team that has been spanking is for years and was picked to finish first. Not only are appear to actually be "gelling" on 1 Feb, but we crushed a legit team. If this was against DePaul I'm pretty sure there wod be as much hope in Mudville...As you said we are only as optismistic as our next win.
Marquette isnt a "legit" team this year. They are an NIT team at best. Lets not go crazy now
I'm surprised at how bad they've been. They were my #1 team preseason. I really liked their freshman.
Junior Cadougan...most underrated player in the country. I must have posted that a dozen times the last few years.
They were #1 on a lot of lists, but that is mostly because there was no proven Big East alternative, and nobody really knew how the other schools would adapt in the first year to dominate enough to be #1. Buzz reloads every year and they have always replaced talent and done well.
Our season goes in two very different directions after the Providence game. It is they key to the season. I think we'll win all the remaining home games--even Creighton--and @ SH and @Marquette. A win on the road at Providence would be a ten spot RPI jump, put us at 14-9, and give us a win over a tournament team.
I've had the Nova game circled (figuratively) for a while on 2/22. That is not a key to the season, but the team will be a damn near finished product and you just can't get swept in this conference. I expect a battle.
I thought Jamil Wilson was poised to have a huge year and he is a sleeper that is still sleeping.
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I take nothing back . Great win! Great job players and coaches . But we are still 3-6. Long way to go. Very happy we won. When/if we are 6-6 I will take it back
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The hope is Lavin is right and we crushed a team that has been spanking is for years and was picked to finish first. Not only are appear to actually be "gelling" on 1 Feb, but we crushed a legit team. If this was against DePaul I'm pretty sure there wod be as much hope in Mudville...As you said we are only as optismistic as our next win.
Marquette isnt a "legit" team this year. They are an NIT team at best. Lets not go crazy now
I'm surprised at how bad they've been. They were my #1 team preseason. I really liked their freshman.
Junior Cadougan...most underrated player in the country. I must have posted that a dozen times the last few years.
They were #1 on a lot of lists, but that is mostly because there was no proven Big East alternative, and nobody really knew how the other schools would adapt in the first year to dominate enough to be #1. Buzz reloads every year and they have always replaced talent and done well.
Our season goes in two very different directions after the Providence game. It is they key to the season. I think we'll win all the remaining home games--even Creighton--and @ SH and @Marquette. A win on the road at Providence would be a ten spot RPI jump, put us at 14-9, and give us a win over a tournament team.
I've had the Nova game circled (figuratively) for a while on 2/22. That is not a key to the season, but the team will be a damn near finished product and you just can't get swept in this conference. I expect a battle.
I thought Jamil Wilson was poised to have a huge year and he is a sleeper that is still sleeping.
He reminds me a lot of Sampson and a few others on our team. He was great in a reduced role where he could play within his abilities, but he is not a Batman or even a Robin. Playing to a guy's abilities is such an important part of this game. Wilson just looks sloppy this year.
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Winning teams win consistently.
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Lets not go crazy positive over Lavin. It was a blowout and his input was not needed a crunch time. Great effort by the team but Marquette is hurting.
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Lets not go crazy positive over Lavin. It was a blowout and his input was not needed a crunch time. Great effort by the team but Marquette is hurting.
But didn't his input get us there? You can't have it both ways. If we let them back into the game this board would be all over him.
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He deserves all the credit for today. Still 3-6.
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Lets not go crazy positive over Lavin. It was a blowout and his input was not needed a crunch time. Great effort by the team but Marquette is hurting.
It's a little bit unfair to blame a coach when his team loses, but refuse to give him credit when his team wins.
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Lets not go crazy positive over Lavin. It was a blowout and his input was not needed a crunch time. Great effort by the team but Marquette is hurting.
It's a little bit unfair to blame a coach when his team loses, but refuse to give him credit when his team wins.
It's the Jungle way
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But aren't we St. John's and above all that ;D
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The hope is Lavin is right and we crushed a team that has been spanking is for years and was picked to finish first. Not only are appear to actually be "gelling" on 1 Feb, but we crushed a legit team
Legit team, Really??
One quick question will Marquette be in the field of 69 this year?? Not even close so pipe down with the legit team talk. In my book this team still hasn't beaten a good quality tournament team in 2 years. Who in the world cares where they were picked in the beginning of the season it means absolutely jack because this is a game we should have 100% won.
It was a very impressive game yesterday but may be too little too late. I am so sick of hearing about this February run when the season began in the beginning of November. This team should have been ready then without any excuses. Every college team goes through changes and we may have had less than others. This is on Lavin that the team was so far behind and if they don't make the NCAA's whatever way they can this season is a total bust no other way to look.
Orlando Sanchez should never start another game he is a good player in garbage time and that is it.
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Lets not go crazy positive over Lavin. It was a blowout and his input was not needed a crunch time. Great effort by the team but Marquette is hurting.
It's a little bit unfair to blame a coach when his team loses, but refuse to give him credit when his team wins.
No, it's a pattern and coach deserves his due. He's shortened the rotation, pressed more, and relied heavily on a three guard lineup with either Jordan or Branch almost always on the floor. These were substantial improvements.
Also, not for nothing but at times this year certain guys have looked completely lost, but coach kept the team together and that's no easy task.
A week ago Obekpa looked like he might give up on life, let alone basketball. Yet he played a huge role in yesterday's win. I give Lavin credit for keeping Chris's head on and finding ways to keep him involved.
And the same could have been said at different times for Rysheed, Dom, and Jakarr as well.
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Marquette isnt a "legit" team this year. They are an NIT team at best. Lets not go crazy now
Thank you. Some people in here are so clueless. I never even got to your response I was just shaking my head in amazement at the last guys post how we beat a legit team. LOL they are a borderline NIT team that we beat at home.
By the way the Garden was absolutely dead during the Johnnies inspiring win on Super Bowl Saturday. Let me tell you Lavin really has this fan base buzzing.
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The hope is Lavin is right and we crushed a team that has been spanking is for years and was picked to finish first. Not only are appear to actually be "gelling" on 1 Feb, but we crushed a legit team
Legit team, Really??
One quick question will Marquette be in the field of 69 this year?? Not even close so pipe down with the legit team talk. In my book this team still hasn't beaten a good quality tournament team in 2 years. Who in the world cares where they were picked in the beginning of the season it means absolutely jack because this is a game we should have 100% won.
It was a very impressive game yesterday but may be too little too late. I am so sick of hearing about this February run when the season began in the beginning of November. This team should have been ready then without any excuses. Every college team goes through changes and we may have had less than others. This is on Lavin that the team was so far behind and if they don't make the NCAA's whatever way they can this season is a total bust no other way to look.
Orlando Sanchez should never start another game he is a good player in garbage time and that is it.
I'm your opinion Lavin should have AIDs mixed with cancer because he is worse then Hitler...if you actually read. My post instead of spitting your insane hate of the coach and the program, I said that it was a good win against a team that has won the 8 over the last 9 over us and it gives a little hope moving forward. I did not say we are now tournament bound...but that would take away your pointless hate...
Gods job on commenting on a win even if it is trashing the coach.
I just ask ease do not create another thread on even win SJU wins convincingly Lavin is still the worst coach ever.
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Marquette has been a legit team since they have been in the big east. They were preseason #1 and have the best coach on the conference in my opinion . They are having a tough season . But they have proved to be a legit team. Very good win. Still 3-6. Had 0 confidence in Lavin 2 weeks ago.
Marquette coach said before game that we have the most talent in big east. I believe that. A strong finish will get me back on board. Still think that is only a 50% chance
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I'm your opinion Lavin should have AIDs mixed with cancer because he is worse then Hitler...if you actually read
I normally don't respond to such foolish posts but this one I had to. Just to put the thoughts that you have in writing is very disturbing to me to know that some people think stuff up like this. Wishing Aids and Cancer on someone is evil and just to even think like that shows you are the one with the problems and I hope someday you can get some help. This is basketball talk and you have taken it to a hole other level. Its like you had a mini meltdown when you read my post about Marquette and those are the thoughts that came to your twisted mind.
I think the coach is a fraud and a smoke blower but big difference from your perception I have of him.
You are the one who called Marquette a legit team because they were preseason number 1 not me.
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Depends on how you look at this because preseason I would have chalked this up as an L. So winning it is a positive.
However Marquette has underachieved this season. They are a talented team but they are having their woes alternating win/loss in conference play. So you could say this should have been a game St. John's won at home.
IMO this wasn't a layup and the dominating performance was most impressive. Buzz's teams don't usually get blown out like that.
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Lets not kid ourselves Marquette is not a good basketball team this year and past years really don't matter at all.
Marquette has played 9 LEGIT teams this year and they have come out with a total of 1 win.
Losses
Ohio State
Arizona State
San Diego State
Wisconsin
New Mexico
Creighton
Xavier
Villanova
Wins
Providence
And if I has to guess out of those 9 Providence would be the lowest rated. Marquette has been awful this year no other way around it. They can beat anyone good just like the Johnnies cant so yesterday someone had to win but neither team could say they beat a good team after the win.
Was it impressive?? Yes
Was it a quality win?? No
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I don't take anything back. We still haven't beat a quality team during this stretch. If we rattle off 9 or 10 wins and sneak into the ncaa then I will happily eat crow. Until the. I still think we are an nit team that will look at coulda shoulda wouldas.
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We're 13-9. Take it all back when we're 20-10, and we've pretty much punched our ticket to the dance. Lavin has his work cut out for him, and the only way he saves face is by making the tournament. He brought this upon himself.
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I don't take anything back. We still haven't beat a quality team during this stretch. If we rattle off 9 or 10 wins and sneak into the ncaa then I will happily eat crow. Until the. I still think we are an nit team that will look at coulda shoulda wouldas.
Exactly, can't give up hope, but we dug quite a hole for ourselves. The proverbial one game at a time approach is apt. Lose at PC, that hole gets exponentially bigger.
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I'm your opinion Lavin should have AIDs mixed with cancer because he is worse then Hitler...if you actually read
I normally don't respond to such foolish posts but this one I had to. Just to put the thoughts that you have in writing is very disturbing to me to know that some people think stuff up like this. Wishing Aids and Cancer on someone is evil and just to even think like that shows you are the one with the problems and I hope someday you can get some help. This is basketball talk and you have taken it to a hole other level. Its like you had a mini meltdown when you read my post about Marquette and those are the thoughts that came to your twisted mind.
I think the coach is a fraud and a smoke blower but big difference from your perception I have of him.
You are the one who called Marquette a legit team because they were preseason number 1 not me.
Clearly I was being Sarcastic, especially with the worse the Hitler part....thank for the Behavorial Help advice...
As long as they keep wining the seasons reminds revelant.
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Marquette isnt a "legit" team this year. They are an NIT team at best. Lets not go crazy now
Thank you. Some people in here are so clueless. I never even got to your response I was just shaking my head in amazement at the last guys post how we beat a legit team. LOL they are a borderline NIT team that we beat at home.
By the way the Garden was absolutely dead during the Johnnies inspiring win on Super Bowl Saturday. Let me tell you Lavin really has this fan base buzzing.
Nm
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Lets not go crazy positive over Lavin. It was a blowout and his input was not needed a crunch time. Great effort by the team but Marquette is hurting.
It's a little bit unfair to blame a coach when his team loses, but refuse to give him credit when his team wins.
To elucidate my last comment, in a blowout Lavin doesn't need to contribute his bench coaching abilities down the stretch and draw up plays after timeouts which result in something like Dom taking a 16 footer and fans yelling ouch before he releases the ball. However, credit lavin with shortening the rotation which needed to be done.
It's the Jungle way
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How do say a coach has no role in a blow out win?
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Lets not kid ourselves Marquette is not a good basketball team this year and past years really don't matter at all.
Marquette has played 9 LEGIT teams this year and they have come out with a total of 1 win.
Losses
Ohio State
Arizona State
San Diego State
Wisconsin
New Mexico
Creighton
Xavier
Villanova
Wins
Providence
And if I has to guess out of those 9 Providence would be the lowest rated. Marquette has been awful this year no other way around it. They can beat anyone good just like the Johnnies cant so yesterday someone had to win but neither team could say they beat a good team after the win.
Was it impressive?? Yes
Was it a quality win?? No
Just curious......You say they are not a legit team, so do you believe Buzz is a terrible coach? They were picked to finish first by the coaches poll. Clearly many believed they have the talent to warrant first place consideration based on their pre season ranking.
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Loved being at the game yesterday, those back to back Depaul and Prov losses by a combined 3 points REALLY hurt right now. Would be an entire different season with those two games.
If we knock off Prov on Tuesday, then it's time to get giddy.
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Loved being at the game yesterday, those back to back Depaul and Prov losses by a combined 3 points REALLY hurt right now. Would be an entire different season with those two games.
If we knock off Prov on Tuesday, then it's time to get giddy.
We should be giddy at 4-6? Really?
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Loved being at the game yesterday, those back to back Depaul and Prov losses by a combined 3 points REALLY hurt right now. Would be an entire different season with those two games.
If we knock off Prov on Tuesday, then it's time to get giddy.
We should be giddy at 4-6? Really?
Maybe not giddy but, at the beginning of the year, I think most would have expected a split with Providence. If we win this game, it takes back the one we gave away at home. DePaul can't be made up because we should have swept them. I think the first half of our BE schedule was tougher than the back end. We have to make up for the weak start and do damage in the BET.
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I agree we can't make up the DePaul loss even by splitting with nova and creighton, however if DePaul can somehow get a respectable record in conference, let's say 6-12, not good by any stretch, but the loss isnt as bad as let's say if they went 4-14. My point being, it will always be a bad loss but not something that is insurmountable to crush our NCAA hopes because their record for season would be close to 500 overall. Plus beating nova and creighton should look great because both should be ranked at top of conference and in top 10/15 in country at a time when committee really starts putting bubble teams under a microscope. Obviously big ifs but not something that can't happen
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The hope is Lavin is right and we crushed a team that has been spanking is for years and was picked to finish first. Not only are appear to actually be "gelling" on 1 Feb, but we crushed a legit team
One quick question will Marquette be in the field of 69 this year??
It's the field of 68, dirt bag.
I kid, I kid.
You are an awfully negative poster. You'd never know we were in the middle of a very solid five game run. Why don't you just "pipe down" until they lose. They probably will soon enough, and then you can get right back up on your soapbox and tell the whole world how Slick Steve can't coach, the players suck, and how the sky is falling.
The Mets fan in me can't help but feel optimistic. They started out with three of the first four and five of the first eight games on the road, with most coming against the top five teams in the league. The last ten games (including Marquette) are awesome for a team looking to get on a roll. The one game that really has me worried is @ Providence. After that, there is a perfect mix of patsies and resume builders. Home games against Butler, Xavier, Depaul, a struggling Smith-less Gtown team, and the #10 RPI ranked team that only beat us by a buzzer beater in front of a 17,000+ homecourt advantage? You can't draw that up any better. Then, the road games include bottom-dweller SH and a team we just destroyed yesterday that will have absolutely no reason to play the last game of the season. Then the resume-builder, in late February...a chance at retribution against Nova. Nice.
CO is finally stepping up. GG is killing it with his hustle. Jordan and Branch are both getting big minutes and hitting stride. Harrison looks sharp. Greene is off the ball more. Pointer and Sanchez have smaller roles. A rotation is emerging, and the guys are developing chemistry. All good signs.
Beat Providence Tuesday and this season opens back up.
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Just curious......You say they are not a legit team, so do you believe Buzz is a terrible coach? They were picked to finish first by the coaches poll. Clearly many believed they have the talent to warrant first place consideration based on their pre season ranking.
Shabazz Mohammed was the #1 rated prospect and the so called top overall pick in the NBA draft before last year and how did that work out for him?
Preseason rankings and predictions don't always go accordingly and that is why they are predictions. Marquette is a bad basketball team this year lets not try to sugar coat it and make it any different. They have beaten one semi decent team that probably wont make the tournament when they have had 10 tries.
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My question to all the negative posters, are you guys gonna continue to post about the bad big east start to season? All I read is how bad lavin is and this guy is and that guy is, yet the team has won four of 5 and who cares who they played and beat, it's still 4 of 5. Plus the one loss was at creighton by 3 and yes it was a loss but the second half carried over to Marquette game and we crushed them. As fans we absolutely should be getting excited again as the season is halfway through in conference with marquee games against nova, prov, creighton, grown and Xavier. All games winnable and can allow team to make huge strides not only in moving up in conference but also in rpi and SOS. Not to mention the fact, that we will have 5 home games vs the 4 we had to start conference play.
All the teams mentioned above, most if not all expected to split with and a chance to sweep shu, marq and butler. For reasons like this, we should get excited again and it starts with providence on Tuesday.
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Agree...where have you been a voice of reason...we win the next two we are back on the bubble and just wait til next year
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I really don't know what to make of this team. At times they look more talented than anyone in the league and other times they are downright pathetic. It's clear that Lavin can't win the close ones and it will be those, barring a minor miracle that keep us out of the dance. Still, it's fun to kick a little arse when it happens. Marquette had no chance Saturday and I think we stand a chance against anyone going forward. That's at least some progress. I'm happy for the kids but it's still a house of cards in a hurricane until they step up against someone good. PC fills that bill quite nicely. February is fingers crossed month and it's nice to see the season still breathing at this stage. Go get 'em Redmen! Make us proud of you and attract some recruits and fans for 2014/15..
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Just curious......You say they are not a legit team, so do you believe Buzz is a terrible coach? They were picked to finish first by the coaches poll. Clearly many believed they have the talent to warrant first place consideration based on their pre season ranking.
Shabazz Mohammed was the #1 rated prospect and the so called top overall pick in the NBA draft before last year and how did that work out for him?
Preseason rankings and predictions don't always go accordingly and that is why they are predictions. Marquette is a bad basketball team this year lets not try to sugar coat it and make it any different. They have beaten one semi decent team that probably wont make the tournament when they have had 10 tries.
Your point on Marquette being a bad team is based on their record and who they beat. I'm not debating whether they are a bad team or not, I agree they are not a good team, but the question I posed to you that you did not answer is are they a bad team because of Buzz Williams inablilty to coach?
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Doomed? Maybe, Maybe Not.
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Regardless of the strength of the opponent, WE are playing better. Marquette and Butler are no worse than Depaul or Penn State, and we couldn't beat them let alone win convincingly. Say what you want about Marquette being down this season, but you could take away the scoreboard and anyone with eyes would tell you this team is playing better.
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Just curious......You say they are not a legit team, so do you believe Buzz is a terrible coach? They were picked to finish first by the coaches poll. Clearly many believed they have the talent to warrant first place consideration based on their pre season ranking.
Shabazz Mohammed was the #1 rated prospect and the so called top overall pick in the NBA draft before last year and how did that work out for him?
Preseason rankings and predictions don't always go accordingly and that is why they are predictions. Marquette is a bad basketball team this year lets not try to sugar coat it and make it any different. They have beaten one semi decent team that probably wont make the tournament when they have had 10 tries.
UCLA, upon his activation, started to win a lot of games, and then they made the tournament, and won a game, I believe.
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My question to all the negative posters, are you guys gonna continue to post about the bad big east start to season? All I read is how bad lavin is and this guy is and that guy is, yet the team has won four of 5 and who cares who they played and beat, it's still 4 of 5. Plus the one loss was at creighton by 3 and yes it was a loss but the second half carried over to Marquette game and we crushed them. As fans we absolutely should be getting excited again as the season is halfway through in conference with marquee games against nova, prov, creighton, grown and Xavier. All games winnable and can allow team to make huge strides not only in moving up in conference but also in rpi and SOS. Not to mention the fact, that we will have 5 home games vs the 4 we had to start conference play.
All the teams mentioned above, most if not all expected to split with and a chance to sweep shu, marq and butler. For reasons like this, we should get excited again and it starts with providence on Tuesday.
Please don't tell us that the team has won 4-5 when one of those wins was against Dartmouth. I'll admit, I'm in the camp that thinks we should fire Lavin because he's a lousy game coach, and a lousy teacher. I'm not ready to give up, but really what choice do I have if I've already paid for my tickets?
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Regardless of the strength of the opponent, WE are playing better. Marquette and Butler are no worse than Depaul or Penn State, and we couldn't beat them let alone win convincingly. Say what you want about Marquette being down this season, but you could take away the scoreboard and anyone with eyes would tell you this team is playing better.
Penn State has just won three straight after winning @Ohio State and beating Purdue by 11 last week. They've actually had a really good seven game stretch in a ridiculous league: they lost to Purdue by 1, Indiana and Minnesota by 3 each, and @ #10 Michigan by 13.
The problem is this won't likely continue, as they have one of the most menacing remaining schedules in the country. The Big 10 is absurd this year. Every team was inside the RPI top 100 as of Sunday.